Who Are the Powers That Be ?

[Bright Garlick]

Hey Folks - yes it does seem that I am back for a while !

I thought I would pose the question to you - who do you really think The Powers That Be are ?

I ask this because I am soon going to be posting a series of entries on this subject on my blog. If you search there you'll find a basic intro.

I ask because it seems that many people have strange ideas about just who TPTB are. Most people think of them as a homogenous group of evil bastards hell bent on making us all suffer and I'm here to tell you that's all wrong. Some think what David Icke believes is true and I think it's a crock of ****. Few people either seem to be thinking through this by themselves and even fewer have knowledge of this subject from the inside. There seems to be a large number of people who believe they know who TPTB are and they tell elaborate stories of their experience with them.

I have spent a long time looking into this subject both personally and through a contact who worked for them. And my views seem to be at odds with everyone.

So 3 questions :
1. Who are they ?
2. What is it you think they have done or you think they do ?
3. Do you feel they deserve compassion and foregiveness or anger and persecution ?

Please note that for those of you who have an interest in the subject of disclosure, it is important you really examine this subject to understand why things are moving as they are.

Peace to all, Bright. :popcorn:

[moonchild]

I don't mean to be rude, but you said
"I have spent a long time looking into this subject both personally and through a contact who worked for THEM."
Then you turn around and ask US who they are?! Shouldn't WE be asking YOU???
Will you be sharing what you have learnt from your contact?

[ponda]

1. It's probably layered imho.There is the public face ie the politicians,ceo's,official advisers,policy makers,banking families etc.Then there is most likely unknown shadowy groups in the background who have an occult connection and more influence,power and finances etc.The strings from these puppets would most likely go up into higher dimensions imho,beyond say the reptilians and greys and into non physical entities.It probably is a complex web of compartmentalized interconnected groups that filters all the way down to say your local cop,media presenter etc.My guess is that mind control is the main way that it all connects together.Direct mind control of main players combined with say global perception management and conditioning.

2.They have shaped our reality for 'their' benefit.The higher you are up the chain the more you benefit.From one level it might be about human emotional energy collection.From another level it might be about control of say an area of space.From another it might be about physical resource control.From another lower level it might just be about wealth etc.

3.From one perspective it's all a game and every being in it is influenced in some way imho.You also could say that the politicians and decision makers are being mind controlled to make certain reality shaping decisions and policies etc.I would guess that most or all of the big decision makers would at some stage be made aware that they are doing the wrong thing so as to give them a choice.What they do 'after' this might be their free will and karma.Most of the human puppets probably have no idea what is going on and just play along to keep their job even if they don't agree with what it is that they are apart of.I would think that they all deserve a degree of compassion and some probably more than others.I can't really comment on how it works at the et levels etc but it might be similar.Some are unknowing puppets and others less so.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

I think TPTW are not at the top of hierarchy. I think they take their orders from above and execute them down along the chain of command in their own distorted way. Sice this chain of command is largely distorted in its own the outcome is horrible. Chinese whispers anyone? ;) We at the bottom of the chain allow for this distortion to persist as well...

We are ALL in it together... And only unconditional Love can heal this situation. No guilotines anymore... If we do that the cycle will repeat itself again...

[Bright Garlick]

I don't mean to be rude, but you said
"I have spent a long time looking into this subject both personally and through a contact who worked for THEM."
Then you turn around and ask US who they are?! Shouldn't WE be asking YOU???
Will you be sharing what you have learnt from your contact?

No rudeness taken moonchild. Yes I am comfortable with what I know and will share some of that. Too much puts me and my family at great personal risk but up to a point maybe ok. I allready have shared some here but few saw the connections before I deleted what I had shared. Call it personal protection !

I am curious about what others think - if indeed others have really thought this through or if they just regurgitate their favourite conspiracy icon ;-)
People genuinely fascinate me and I have compassion for all beings - as we are all struggling with the mind and the harmony between heart and mind.

Adios, Bright. :nerd:

[gooty64]

You said, "Some think what David Icke believes is true and I think it's a crock of ****. "
iyho, what do you believe that David Icke believes that you say is a crock of ****.?

tptb is a good topic to formulate a collective working hypothesis on, and I would like to chime in on it. But, could you explain what it is with your very strong statement- that it isn't.

[kersley]

You have started now lets finish it...
Who are they? lets have some names and tell us why you think you got this right. Don't be afraid my friend. private message me and i'll spill the beans..

[truthseekerdan]

My question is: Does it really matter who they are -- or is it going to help us, knowing that info? What really matters in MHO -- as human beings, we are now becoming aware of our latent powers and intrinsic oneness; to the point where we realize that our expanded consciousness has begun to move us forward within a pattern that is changing our mental horizon and the very structure of life itself.

Much Love

[Russ1959]

I think Rik Clay got close to finding out before he mysteriously commited suicide. Check out all his you tube links! His loving family have said there is no way he would taken his own life because he loved life!

[ponda]

I agree with you Dan that in one way it doesn't matter who 'they' are but one part of waking up is to question what is going on and is this reality all that it seems to be.Breaking loose of a lifetime of conditioning might in part involve questioning who or what is directly shaping our reality.Why things are the way that they are is a big Q and the ptw are big players in this.Also i would suspect that these lessons that we are learning now will be important in the future.

[Curt]

This thread has lots of potential to be interesting. I should admit that I have no idea who the real power elites are. We've all heard certain family names mentioned time and again. I have a sense that these folks are advisers, managers and in some cases mere cheerleaders for a larger agenda, or larger agendas. They are the "power brokers", but they may not BE the power themselves. The power may be external to them. They may simply be managing it, executing on decisions that happen above them. But I have no idea. I have never worked for them, or known them personally. I am very interested in those who claim to have had direct contact with 'them,' and what their impressions of 'them' are. I'm equally interested in how folks who have rubbed shoulders with 'them' end up doing so in the first place. Those might be interesting stories in themselves.

[truthseekerdan]

I agree with you Dan that in one way it doesn't matter who 'they' are but one part of waking up is to question what is going on and is this reality all that it seems to be.Breaking loose of a lifetime of conditioning might in part involve questioning who or what is directly shaping our reality.Why things are the way that they are is a big Q and the ptw are big players in this.Also i would suspect that these lessons that we are learning now will be important in the future.

I agree with you too, Ponda. :)

Here is a good link to get one started who wants/needs, and is ready to know more...

http://www.metahistory.org/gnostique/archonfiles/AlienIntrusion.php

[truth4me]

CFR is one but I guess you get into people who control. Zionist Jews, not your Jewish people, Rothchilds I believe over all control the Zionist whom control Israel whom control England whom control America. David Icke is spot on IMO about whats going on.....

[Kano]

BG,

1) In the grand scheme of things, it does not matter to me, but of course I am interested in this question as I think most are. I think the true powers that be will be unknown to us most likely forever. I say forever because they know the veil will be lifted and I'm sure they have taken measures to make sure their hands are clean when it happens. When I think about TPTB/W, I often think of Charlie's Angels and the way that Charlie communicated with the angels. This could be exactly how the real PTB communicate with their minions, i.e., Bush, Rothschild, Windsor, etc.

2) I think the gammut on this question has such scope and scale that it would be hard to quantify. But to put it into simple terms, what they do is protect their little group by making sure that there is never parity within the society as a whole. Keep people ignorant and make them pay to imprison themselves with some of the most cunning marketing and PR campaigns that modern man has ever been exposed to.

3) Compassion and forgiveness. But that doesn't mean that I don't want rain down a hay maker with brass knuckles on each and every one of their faces and make sure that they breathe through their mouths for the rest of their lives. :)

[Bright Garlick]

You said, "Some think what David Icke believes is true and I think it's a crock of ****. "
iyho, what do you believe that David Icke believes that you say is a crock of ****.?

tptb is a good topic to formulate a collective working hypothesis on, and I would like to chime in on it. But, could you explain what it is with your very strong statement- that it isn't.

That's a good qu. I have no problems with Mr Icke's comments about peace and love and compassion but I have a problem with his views on the grand conspiracy which involves reference to The Reptilians and all that that entails. That's just deluded and mis-informed. His spontaneous epiphanies are also quite humorous. And I have a real issue with his ego and that he makes a lot of money peddling his tripe ! Nothing evolved about the man or his opinions. He creates further division, hatred, anger and negativity - all the things he supposedly fights against ! And people swallow his words like gospel, like sheep - just like many here did with Atticus. :cheer2:

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You have started now lets finish it...
Who are they? lets have some names and tell us why you think you got this right. Don't be afraid my friend. private message me and i'll spill the beans..

I appreciate the sentiments - if only it were that easy. You are not putting your family at risk like I am. That's why I will only share what I can - up to a point. Names cross that line and I am not prepared to take that risk. :love:

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My question is: Does it really matter who they are -- or is it going to help us, knowing that info? What really matters in MHO -- as human beings, we are now becoming aware of our latent powers and intrinsic oneness; to the point where we realize that our expanded consciousness has begun to move us forward within a pattern that is changing our mental horizon and the very structure of life itself.

Much Love

Perfect. It doesn't really matter - which is exactly what my contact who knows this stuff, said to me. Feeling our connectedness and living is all that matters. :cheer2:

[christian]

I surely won't go into all the details, I had that over and over and I'm at a point, where I focus more on solutions.


1. Who are they ?
2. What is it you think they have done or you think they do ?

'service to self' and 'manipulate, control & enslave' - everyone with this agenda, but appearently especially the Annunaki.


3. Do you feel they deserve compassion and foregiveness or anger and persecution ?

Turn it around: How would you like to behave? Compassionate and foregiving or angry and vindictive?

[etm567]

I don't post very often, I just mostly read, but... I disagree with some of what you say. I didn't go along with Atticus, at all, but I don't find David Icke to be terribly egotistical. As far as the Reptilians are concerned, I do not know what is true. It definitely seems farfetched, but that doesn't make something impossible. I do believe the Anunnaki were here, and I do not know if they are/were Reptilian or not.

It does seem that certain powerful families have been very careful about interbreeding. The first few Rothschild generations married first cousins, aunts and uncles, very closely related relatives to the exclusion of anyone else, it seems. Why did they do that?

I'm not saying I know any of these answers, but I have spent a great deal of time thinking about it and looking for information. The thing about most information is that it is all, at best, secondhand. So, who to believe? Hard to say.

I do think there are many good guys who function as reporters, or journalists, in a way, like Bill, like Ben Fulford, and others. And they pass on to us information they get from people, sometimes whistleblowers, who come to them with information. And journalists like Ben carefully develop inside sources. These sources may mislead them sometimes, and sometimes the sources may themselves be misled. There are so many points at which misinformation can be introduced I think it must be almost impossible for most of us to discern the truth. And just saying, "Use your discernment," doesn't cut it, in my view. Maybe other folks are much better at discerning than I am and can be sure about what's true and what isn't. I find I cannot. I have to leave some room for the truth, when it is revealed, to be a little bit, if not a great deal, different from what I have pictured.

[ViralSpiral]

So 3 questions :
1. Who are they ?
2. What is it you think they have done or you think they do ?
3. Do you feel they deserve compassion and foregiveness or anger and persecution ?



Have been thinking about these questions, and whilst I have no idea who they are, what I have come to understand is that we have been "created" as a slave race to effectively utilize earths resources, with the potential to ascend our limited paradigms through "compassion and forgiveness". We have forgotten how to use certain powers such as healing and telepathy and need to "evolve" back to those, and unconditional love. In which case, of course we should forgive however, we cannot yet see it, or feel it.....

To that end, there are probably different "powers that be" who have the intention of assisting in our evolution and emancipation of humanity, whilst other clandestine groups wish to keep us enslaved through mind control and manipulation. Each having their own motivation and activities.

The "war of souls" is theirs, not ours. I agree with Truthseekerdan: Does it really matter who they are?

Although, through my being human it obviously intrigues me , I cannot see how knowing would make a difference . What I do acknowledge, is that there has to be a deeper surrender. Not complacency or anger or persecution.

Thank you for your questions, my head now hurts ;)


Every mind must make its choice between truth and repose. It cannot have both. Ralph Waldo Emerson

[Cartomancer]

I believe it is the Rex Deus. The Holy Bloodline of the original priesthood of Jerusalem. It is people who consider themselves to be descendants of this group. This includes the bloodline of Christ. This group has both "good" and "bad" factions. Like star wars.

[THIRDEYE]

garlick i have to disagree with you...if david icke were so abundantly comfortable...why is he asking for donations for his up comimg law and liability suits....i soppose this might be a biased opinion either you have your head in or it have out.....i learned very long ago 1/2 in 1/2 out only leads to half measures...as for the powers to be they are bloodlines imho...weather it be the rothchilds.night templar,ilumanati,free masons,rockafellars,bildenburgers ect....i could go on and on...jordan maxwell is an ecellent sorce for hidden societys and the accult...(hidden)....george green is also abundantly knowledgeable on these so called societys....for me i do not wish to even ackknowledge these groups...for me it takes the focus off of the light and love paradigms....when i waste my energy even thinking about these ogilarchs it just feeds into there collective of confusion and mind control....just some food for thought...light love and abundance...thirdeye....

[Limor Wolf]

"Who are the powers that be?"

I think there are a couple of answers to this question in this new documantry that is being upload as we speak to 'you tube' called:'Shadow government (SG)'

From the Six parts that I watched,most of the information we already know,and it will be interesting to see the conclusions,if there will be any,and hopefully,maybe some possible suggestions.

I have been hesitant to open a new thread for this,maybe someone else will do that,because of the great amount of 'real life drama' that is presented in this documentry.as essential as it is to know the exact ingredients our reality is consists of,I also feel the need to move on and CREATE a surprisingly happy end! not the 'ever after' type more like the twist at the end of a complexed and convoluted movie plot,that leave the viewer with a great desire for more...
anyway,enough rambling.lets see if we can get an answer here-


Part one-


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhpJNSLAZdI&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL


Part two-


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1JjPVv1upc&feature=related


Part three-


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THtJB2Kvsvw&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

[Limor Wolf]

Part four-


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP25Vke0HyQ&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL


Part five-


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYuYnCd1HTI&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL


Part six-


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKc3TuX-4NE&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Maybe someone here will be willing to add the other parts when they will be uploaded...I am going to try and get some sleep : )

Good Night and blessings to all !

:sleep:


~*&^~*&

Limor

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

If I told you, I would have to kill you.

[Curt]

@Bright Garlick,

So what is your perspective on which parties are in control, and how their various agendas are playing out? I assume from your earlier statements you're not a believer that there is a monolithic PTB, but rather competing factions, some or all of which are not entirely 'bad.' So, how is it that you see these people? Where do you see the game playing out? What is it that you would like to share?

[Lord Sidious]

@Bright Garlick,

So what is your perspective on which parties are in control, and how their various agendas are playing out? I assume from your earlier statements you're not a believer that there is a monolithic PTB, but rather competing factions, some or all of which are not entirely 'bad.' So, how is it that you see these people? Where do you see the game playing out? What is it that you would like to share?

There isn't a monolith, not yet.
That is what a lot of the conflict we see is, the attempts by different factions to force control over the other factions.
View it like a political party and all the crap that goes on in the backrooms over who gets to run the show and who makes the policy.
They all want to be Napoleon, no one wants to be the ice cream guy.

[Curt]

There isn't a monolith, not yet.
That is what a lot of the conflict we see is, the attempts by different factions to force control over the other factions.
View it like a political party and all the crap that goes on in the backrooms over who gets to run the show and who makes the policy.
They all want to be Napoleon, no one wants to be the ice cream guy.

Lord Sid, Thanks and I think this makes sense. I'm wondering, though, whether these various factions are all ultimately serving the same master(s). Are they all, even as they fight amongst themselves, working under the auspices of the same higher power? They all seem to have incredible wealth, power and control, much of it amassed through extraordinary means. These factions all seem to have technology/knowledge/access which may or may not be off-world in origin. So at a cosmic level, are our 3d Planetary PTB all being fed from the same (perhaps not five fingered) hand? Or is it still more complex than that?

[Lord Sidious]

Lord Sid, Thanks and I think makes sense. I'm wondering, though, whether these various factions are all ultimately serving the same master(s). Are they all, even as they fight amongst themselves, working under the auspices of the same higher power? They all seem to have incredible wealth, power and control, much of it amassed through extraordinary means. These factions all seem to have technology/knowledge/access which may or may not be off-world in origin. So at a cosmic level, are our 3d Planetary PTB all being fed from the same (perhaps not five fingered) hand? Or is it still more complex than that?

They are all working for the same master.
They have differing views on how things should be run and they all want to run it for themselves.

[Curt]

They are all working for the same master.
They have differing views on how things should be run and they all want to run it for themselves.

Here's where things start to get even more interesting. Why the seemingly mad scramble at this moment in time to consolidate power and be the top man? Surely this has gone on for centuries, but it seems like it's happening fast and dirty now. What do they think is coming? Are their masters the Aryans, and have they recently split town, as some have suggested, leaving their former proteges in charge?

[Lord Sidious]

Here's where things start to get even more interesting. Why the seemingly mad scramble at this moment in time to consolidate power and be the top man? Surely this has gone on for centuries, but it seems like it's happening fast and dirty now. What do they think is coming? Are their masters the Aryans, and have they recently split town, as some have suggested, leaving their former proteges in charge?

They are in a hurry to be the top dog when the boss arrives for an inspection.
And yes, their master is an Aryan.
I don't believe they have left town, they may come and go from Earth, but only locally, within this solar system.

[Curt]

They are in a hurry to be the top dog when the boss arrives for an inspection.
And yes, their master is an Aryan.
I don't believe they have left town, they may come and go from Earth, but only locally, within this solar system.

I'm hoping this inspection will not bring with it natural disaster or some other form of cataclysm. Just out of curiosity how rare is one of these inspections, in terms of earth years?

[Lord Sidious]

I'm hoping this inspection will not bring with it natural disaster or some other form of cataclysm. Just out of curiosity how rare is one of these inspections, in terms of earth years?

I am not sure, but I would suspect that it occurs every 2000 years or so.
Much like the ''second coming'' is meant to happen.

[another bob]

Greetings, Friend!

We often hear talk about "The Powers That Be", as if they represented some force external to us. When we realize, however, that there really is nothing external to us, nor internal to us, then the low-level play of light and shadow that characterize this dreamscape will no longer constitute grounds for disturbance. Our good friend Milarepa shared with us that whatever appears is mind. This is worth pondering. When we ponder our minds, we may at first see a lot of production based on various causes and conditions, but if we are persistent in our inspection, we may come to realize that there is nothing there. Mind itself is empty. There is no conspiracy, there are no secret rulers, there is nothing to channel or worship or oppose. Now, if we persist in this natural state of true meditation, where there is nothing to see or experience or know, then something very interesting can happen. Something inexpressible. Only then will we understand the absolute innocence of all creation, let go of the past/present/future, stop trying to figure things out, stop trying to make things happen, and relax, at rest, at peace.

Blessings!

[Curt]

I am not sure, but I would suspect that it occurs every 2000 years or so.
Much like the ''second coming'' is meant to happen.

What consequences might this inspection have for humanity? And do you believe that a new Aryan leader might be installed here on the planet at that time?

[jackovesk]

THE POWERS THAT BE — PUTTING THE “CON” IN CONSPIRACY

Diagram of “The Powers That Be” / Definition of TPTB

Most people have a sense of "how the world works." Within this frame of reference, a term like "The Powers That Be" would usually be thought to mean our elected politicians, especially at the national level, and perhaps a few other top players from politics and major corporations.

We elect politicians on a regular basis, so in theory we are in charge of The Powers That Be (TPTB). But if that's really so, why is the will of the people not being carried out by TPTB? Why are things so royally messed up, regardless of which political party is in charge at the moment? The simple explanation is that the usual definition of The Powers That Be is grossly incomplete.

Who Are The Powers That Be?

If you want to know who really runs things in the world, check out the diagram of The Powers That Be below. In general, the higher on the chart that an entity appears, the more powerful it is in relationship to other entities. (The exceptions are the "Nouveau Riche," "Political Class," and "Industrial Families" entities, which vary greatly in their power level.)

Figure 1. Diagram of The Powers That Be (TPTB)

http://www.grinningplanet.com/2010/03-01/tptb-diagram-449x338.gif

We aren't going to go through long descriptions of each part of TPTB. Others have done that, and at the end of the article we provide numerous resources for further study.

However, there are a number of things worth noting about our diagram of The Powers That Be:

1.The US Government is relatively low in the power structure. This may surprise you, but it's more correct to think of our national governments as part of the operations arm of TPTB, with the important decision making mostly happening above that level.

2.Though our diagram only shows the US government, similar boxes for the European Union and the United Kingdom should also be in there. They were left out only to keep the number of boxes manageable. But the important players do include the EU and UK, as well as their central banks (the European Central Bank and the Bank of England) and their intelligence agencies.

3.Political parties, as well as the battles between left/right and liberal/conservative, are nowhere to be seen on TPTB diagram. These political pairings are merely polarization traps to give us someone to blame (incorrectly) and keep us squabbling amongst ourselves while the root causes of our grievances go unaddressed. Democrats, Republicans, and national party members in other countries are indeed part of the control structure, but the entities have no power beyond their value as a polarizing force.

4.Though the pieces on the PTB chessboard have changed somewhat over the last three centuries, the core theme remains the same. Power is based on a "central banking/warfare model," and it has been since the days when the Bank of England first extorted the right to profit from the management of Britain's money supply and since bankers in general figured out there was lots of money to be made by creating reasons for war and then working with both sides.

5.Central banks like the Federal Reserve, the European Central Bank, and the Bank of England are owned by the big banks, which in turn are largely owned by the "Historically Wealthy/Powerful Families" entity, with some of that wealth being shared with the "minion classes"—the politicos and executives of corporations—as a way of establishing loyalty and dependence.

6.Movements like "End the Fed" have correctly identified the US Federal Reserve as a problem, but it's not THE problem. As The Powers That Be diagram clearly shows, even the banks that own the central banks—brash, greedy, and devilish though they may be—are still just high-level minions in TPTB structure. To paraphrase currency historian Andrew Gause, to find the heart of darkness of TPTB, one must find "the owners of the owners of the central banks."

7.Federal governments like those in Russia and China are less under the reigns of TPTB, though there is cooperation at some level, depending on the country. Some national governments like Venezuela have actively fought against the hegemony of the Western banking-military model (which explains the continual anti-Chavez stories we see in the corporate press).

8.The United States struggled to keep the bankers at bay from the time of its founding to the early 1900s. Several privately owned US central banks came and went during that period, with presidents like Jefferson, Jackson, and Lincoln expending considerable effort against the bankers. But the bankers eventually won out, and control of the US money supply was formally ceded to the bankers with the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.

9.The centrality of bankers to the control structure of TPTB is why our diagram gives them their own box, even though they are technically part of the Corporate Complex.

10.We've chosen not to give Western militaries their own box; they are part of the operational arm, under the national governments in the chain of command. They are, however, an important mechanism in the control structure of TPTB, even if the vast majority of those working in uniform or as civilians believe they are doing so for honorable reasons.

11.The economic model of the bankers depends on the fractional reserve system, which essentially allows them to create vast quantities of "free money" to use in schemes that further their control (for instance: manipulating financial markets). It has been estimated that if the Federal Reserve's money-creation benefit (seigniorage) were reassigned to the US government, it would generate enough revenue for the government that personal income taxes could be eliminated.

12.Other key vehicles The Powers That Be use to harvest wealth and exercise control are the global stock markets, commodities markets, and currency exchanges. Publicly held corporations send profits upward through the stock markets. Manipulation of all three is used to entice unsuspecting investors into the rigged markets, where TPTB's haul ranges from skimmed percentages to full take-downs.

Don't Believe Us

The intent of our diagram of The Powers That Be is to give you a map to help anchor your future learning about TPTB. Much of the diagram may seem crazy, impossible, or simply wrong to you. That gut reaction comes from a lifetime of learning within the educational institutions and media outlets of TPTB, which have carefully constructed a variety of plausible illusions that people can accept as "the truth" without actually digging deeper to find the real truth.

For now, if you don't believe that our diagram is correct, that's fine. All we ask is that you continue to spend time learning, keeping the diagram in mind. As you do, you may see new possible explanations for how things really are. In time, your research may lead to conclusions that will be far different from your beliefs today.

Disempowering The Powers That Be

We each have our theories about why the world is so screwed up. We each have pet peeves we'd like to see addressed and have solutions we think will fix things. But whether it's reforming welfare or reducing military expenditures or fixing health care or cleaning up pollution, working on such issues is really just tinkering at the margins. We may win battles, but we're losing the war. The comprehensive control structure of TPTB is what must be addressed.

IS IT A CONSPIRACY?

Does there really need to be a reason beyond the lure of money and power for the world's top dogs to work together to ensure their continued position at the apex of Mt. Money?

That said, the word conspiracy has gotten a bad rap. That's intentional on the part of those that engage in conspiracies! Implying that all "conspiracy theorists" are wackos with too much time on their hands helps keeps the general populace from wanting to look further in certain directions.

The mainstream press routinely makes fun of anyone who points out that there may be more to a story that meets the eye—any suggestion of a deep conspiracy is put off as "tin-foil-hat talk." People are encouraged to assume that conspiracies are just the fanciful musings of nut-jobs and Hollywood producers.

Interestingly enough, once a person puts on their "Powers That Be goggles" and starts seeing information with new eyes, many of the movie plots we once thought to be rather ridiculous start seeming a lot more plausible, and the idea that all conspiracies are just loony talk is seen for what it is—a control mechanism.

The Powers That Be are long-term thinkers; they are very patient; they have spent several centuries making their control structure comprehensive. It will not be easily undone. Yet that is exactly what must happen if we are to solve all of the other problems we care about and reclaim from the corp-gov state our sovereign rights as individuals.

Here's a quick-start guide to doing your part in disempowering The Powers That Be:

1. Keep learning.

Not every mainstream media (MSM) story is propaganda, but most are at least tainted with disinformation or deceptive framing. (That includes NPR, PBS, and BBC.) MSM news should be only a minor part of your information diet.

http://www.grinningplanet.com/articles/conspiracy/diagram-of-the-powers-that-be-definition-of-tptb.htm

PS - Having Cut & Pasted this generalisation, I think the Short-Form Power Structure looks a little more like this...


Top to Bottom


Off & On-World ET's
Mystery Religions (Secret Knowledge)
13 Families
Factions
3 Letter Agencies
UN, Govt's & Vatican/Church
Minions
Minions Minions, etc..

[dddanieljjjamesss]

it's you and I

[Lord Sidious]

They are in a hurry to be the top dog when the boss arrives for an inspection.
And yes, their master is an Aryan.
I don't believe they have left town, they may come and go from Earth, but only locally, within this solar system.

I'm hoping this inspection will not bring with it natural disaster or some other form of cataclysm. Just out of curiosity how rare is one of these inspections, in terms of earth years?

I am not sure, but I would suspect that it occurs every 2000 years or so.
Much like the ''second coming'' is meant to happen.

What consequences might this inspection have for humanity? And do you believe that a new Aryan leader might be installed here on the planet at that time?

I have the feeling that the predictions in revelations are accurate, to a degree.
The war between the ''gods'' never actually ended and I think the next round will be here and not that far away.

[jackovesk]

I have the feeling that the predictions in revelations are accurate, to a degree.
The war between the ''gods'' never actually ended and I think the next round will be here and not that far away.

Agreed Sid,

It all Boils Down to that elusive 'Hidden Knowledge' & 'Our True History' (which we have be Robbed of)..!

We've all heard of the 'Quickening' there are 'No - If's or But's About It' next round will be here and not that far away..!

The War is not only Planetary, but Inter-Dimensional aswell...


"The day of the absolute is over, and we're in for the strange gods once more."

[Bright Garlick]

Hi Nice question. I will provide some answers on my blog in time. Maybe more in a couple of weeks. But not here. :tongue1:


@Bright Garlick,

So what is your perspective on which parties are in control, and how their various agendas are playing out? I assume from your earlier statements you're not a believer that there is a monolithic PTB, but rather competing factions, some or all of which are not entirely 'bad.' So, how is it that you see these people? Where do you see the game playing out? What is it that you would like to share?

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Sorry Lord Sidious - your understanding of TPTB is all wrong. Maybe you are thinking of other groups ruled by greed and stupidity but not the ones who make real decisions. I am afraid it isn't that black and white. If I told you some were ordinary people with families, who have no vested interest in control - that might shift how you see things. Might ? :spider:



@Bright Garlick,

So what is your perspective on which parties are in control, and how their various agendas are playing out? I assume from your earlier statements you're not a believer that there is a monolithic PTB, but rather competing factions, some or all of which are not entirely 'bad.' So, how is it that you see these people? Where do you see the game playing out? What is it that you would like to share?

There isn't a monolith, not yet.
That is what a lot of the conflict we see is, the attempts by different factions to force control over the other factions.
View it like a political party and all the crap that goes on in the backrooms over who gets to run the show and who makes the policy.
They all want to be Napoleon, no one wants to be the ice cream guy.

[Bright Garlick]

They all seem to have incredible wealth, power and control, much of it amassed through extraordinary means. I am afraid that this is naive thinking. Some but not all. Too much us and them thinking and 'alternative conditioning' encourages this attitude. Come with a don't know mind and you will understand better. ;)

[Bright Garlick]

They are all working for the same master.
They have differing views on how things should be run and they all want to run it for themselves.

Same master no. One leader yes. Differing views yes. To run it for themselves - no. Some but not those with greatest control. Shared agreements.

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Here's where things start to get even more interesting. Why the seemingly mad scramble at this moment in time to consolidate power and be the top man? Surely this has gone on for centuries, but it seems like it's happening fast and dirty now. What do they think is coming? Are their masters the Aryans, and have they recently split town, as some have suggested, leaving their former proteges in charge?

Maybe a desire by some to fulfill religious prophecies but those with real control ensure this does not happen. Top man no. Equal aliens, equal humans yes.:rolleyes:

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Curtis - they are always here. No inspection. Don't fear imagined disasters. Be awake to coming of age in the milky way ;-) .

[Bright Garlick]

Greetings, Friend!

We often hear talk about "The Powers That Be", as if they represented some force external to us. When we realize, however, that there really is nothing external to us, nor internal to us, then the low-level play of light and shadow that characterize this dreamscape will no longer constitute grounds for disturbance. Our good friend Milarepa shared with us that whatever appears is mind. This is worth pondering. When we ponder our minds, we may at first see a lot of production based on various causes and conditions, but if we are persistent in our inspection, we may come to realize that there is nothing there. Mind itself is empty. There is no conspiracy, there are no secret rulers, there is nothing to channel or worship or oppose. Now, if we persist in this natural state of true meditation, where there is nothing to see or experience or know, then something very interesting can happen. Something inexpressible. Only then will we understand the absolute innocence of all creation, let go of the past/present/future, stop trying to figure things out, stop trying to make things happen, and relax, at rest, at peace.

Blessings!

Thanks Bob - although there are many groups within what some would could TPTB - some human, others alien - you have given us the best comment on this entire forum. The only one that makes sense and holds great weight.

The real issue is in the mind. When we realize emptiness, we see the illusory nature of all perception and all states of being. Impermanence at the core. As you will recall the great master said we must be a light unto ourselves.

Blessings to you my friend, Bright. :cool:

[Bright Garlick]

A quick suggestion folks. If you want to understand this subject without carrying someone elses baggage - go empty for a while and allow the heart to connect with something else. Don't cling so tightly to what others have demanded is the truth. Allow yourself to come to a place that is brimming with possibilities. Make sensio ? :spider:

[ponda]

Bright Garlick said:

If you want to understand this subject without carrying someone elses baggage


If you have come to similar conclusions on this subject to another person does this necessarily imply that you are carrying 'their' baggage ? Or that everyone who has similar opinions on something are all carrying everyone else's baggage ? I don't think so. I don't see anyone clinging to any demanded truth.It's all everyone's individual discernment imho.If what i have come to perceive as a 'possibility' is similar to another persons then so be it.It is possible imho for more than one person to perceive things the same way without any clinging or baggage carrying etc.

[treeman]

On the top tier of the wedding cake, in my opinion would be...(some of my top 15)
The Church, A Bank (eg. Bank of England, Deutsche Bank or Goldman Sachs) and the
Mistress in the shadows (A three letter agency - take your pick...they keep changing)
So I have, Religion, Money and a Thug.
I would show them compassion BUT would tell them to 'Close the door on their way out'.

[Lord Sidious]

Sorry Lord Sidious - your understanding of TPTB is all wrong. Maybe you are thinking of other groups ruled by greed and stupidity but not the ones who make real decisions. I am afraid it isn't that black and white. If I told you some were ordinary people with families, who have no vested interest in control - that might shift how you see things. Might ? :spider:



@Bright Garlick,

So what is your perspective on which parties are in control, and how their various agendas are playing out? I assume from your earlier statements you're not a believer that there is a monolithic PTB, but rather competing factions, some or all of which are not entirely 'bad.' So, how is it that you see these people? Where do you see the game playing out? What is it that you would like to share?

There isn't a monolith, not yet.
That is what a lot of the conflict we see is, the attempts by different factions to force control over the other factions.
View it like a political party and all the crap that goes on in the backrooms over who gets to run the show and who makes the policy.
They all want to be Napoleon, no one wants to be the ice cream guy.

I would say that we are talking at cross purposes then.
The people I speak of aren't gods, they are people who breed, like you say.
THE master is not.
Not ''normal'', not ''one of us'', not from ''here'' if you want details.




They are all working for the same master.
They have differing views on how things should be run and they all want to run it for themselves.

Same master no. One leader yes. Differing views yes. To run it for themselves - no. Some but not those with greatest control. Shared agreements.Cl

Again, you seem to speak of the earthly types, I do not speak of them alone.


On the top tier of the wedding cake, in my opinion would be...(some of my top 15)
The Church, A Bank (eg. Bank of England, Deutsche Bank or Goldman Sachs) and the
Mistress in the shadows (A three letter agency - take your pick...they keep changing)
So I have, Religion, Money and a Thug.
I would show them compassion BUT would tell them to 'Close the door on their way out'.

At highest of these, would be either the church or the banksters, but they wouldn't be top rung.
I would put them at second, at highest.

[<8>]

hi..

It's quite obvious who got the most influence in this world, or should i say what families are the cream of the crop..(follow the trail of money)
This is hardly a mystery in my eyes, to reinforce that we also got the blood trail.
Not really a conspiracy if you try to keep things simple, it's just people with power who have made sure to keep that power and get more power in their family.
About the ET connection in to this, i suppose you can't rule out som have got influenced by ET to gain more power.

I'm sure these families considered themselves to be the "top of the food chain" and pat themselves on the back for job well done..

thanks...:)

[ceetee9]

Hey Folks - yes it does seem that I am back for a while !

I thought I would pose the question to you - who do you really think The Powers That Be are ?

I ask this because I am soon going to be posting a series of entries on this subject on my blog. If you search there you'll find a basic intro.

I ask because it seems that many people have strange ideas about just who TPTB are. Most people think of them as a homogenous group of evil bastards hell bent on making us all suffer and I'm here to tell you that's all wrong. Some think what David Icke believes is true and I think it's a crock of ****. Few people either seem to be thinking through this by themselves and even fewer have knowledge of this subject from the inside. There seems to be a large number of people who believe they know who TPTB are and they tell elaborate stories of their experience with them.

I have spent a long time looking into this subject both personally and through a contact who worked for them. And my views seem to be at odds with everyone.

So 3 questions :
1. Who are they ?
2. What is it you think they have done or you think they do ?
3. Do you feel they deserve compassion and foregiveness or anger and persecution ?

Please note that for those of you who have an interest in the subject of disclosure, it is important you really examine this subject to understand why things are moving as they are.

Peace to all, Bright. :popcorn:Great questions BG! Here is my take on it:
1. I have no idea who 'they' are, but I'll bet they aren't anywhere near or in the limelight. That is for the self-serving, ego-centric puppets they control.
2. I think they enslave human beings to satisfy their hunger for power and control. If they are very wealthy I believe it is more to provide a means to their power and control then it is to live like Gods among their minions and slaves.
3. I think they deserve compassion and forgiveness. They are lost souls who have missed the whole point of life (i.e., to love, learn and enjoy all the beauty of Creation). Punishment only serves to perpetuate the cycle of duality. The only way we will ever truly be free of this insane cycle is to end it.

[Bright Garlick]

If I could stress one thing. There are at least 5 arms of TPTB. Half of these are composed of aliens who have been here a long time. They are not interested in power or control - that's our issue (drop all David Ickey ideas !). One alien authorizes all big decisions.

Here's a heads up before I say a lot more :
http://lifeafteraliendisclosure.wordpress.com/2011/07/09/world-disclosure-day/ .

:high5:

Life is. Everything else is a projection.

[norman]

ok, Bright G.

Your a considerate person. Great.

You're a blogger too. Not so great.

TPTB!...... sheesh"

( I don't care what anyone else has said on this thread, or even what you have adjusted ).

The powers that B are either a cryptic fraud or a fraudulent crypt. Take your pick. Both are adventurous. Both are a waste of time.

All anyone in my street wants to know is 2 things:

1) who's going to win

2) who's going to get out of here alive.

The answer to both of those cryptic V signs to you are:

NONE OF US!

[RMorgan]

If I could stress one thing. There are at least 5 arms of TPTB. Half of these are composed of aliens who have been here a long time. They are not interested in power or control - that's our issue (drop all David Ickey ideas !). One alien authorizes all big decisions.

Here's a heads up before I say a lot more :
http://lifeafteraliendisclosure.wordpress.com/2011/07/09/world-disclosure-day/ .


:high5:

Life is. Everything else is a projection.


Wow! That link is very interesting! Did you write it, right? So, you have a lot of thinks to share with us! :)

[Bright Garlick]

Hi Norman : We all win. We all get out alive. We all live, as we are doing now.
I like the idea of TPTB being a fraudulent crypt - what a wonderful play on words and I think they would be proud of your description of them !

V was a lot of fun in the 80's - but now so many people have taken it out of Hollywood !

Enjoy life Norman !

[norman]

Hi Norman : We all win. We all get out alive. We all live, as we are doing now.
I like the idea of TPTB being a fraudulent crypt - what a wonderful play on words and I think they would be proud of your description of them !

V was a lot of fun in the 80's - but now so many people have taken it out of Hollywood !

Enjoy life Norman !

Cool, chuffed you got the gravity. Might make your blog swing a heavier clout. Good fortune to you. x

[Kano]

If I could stress one thing. There are at least 5 arms of TPTB. Half of these are composed of aliens who have been here a long time. They are not interested in power or control - that's our issue (drop all David Ickey ideas !). One alien authorizes all big decisions.

Here's a heads up before I say a lot more :
http://lifeafteraliendisclosure.wordpress.com/2011/07/09/world-disclosure-day/ .



:high5:

Life is. Everything else is a projection.

BG,

The one "alien" that 'authorizes all big decisions' sounds like a flesh(?) and blood(?) 3D entity. Is this correct? If so, then why the obsession with TPTB summoning dimensional beings who are ethereal, not 3D if the big boss man is here on Earth? Does the head decision making alien in turn answer to entities in higher dimensions?

[norman]

Here's a thing for your blog....

SAS... yer know...

In active duty, mission incomplete.

3 things.

Success

Failure

Survival.

Survival only works if you pull off success.

You might get a desk job, but that's only if they want you around after you ****ed up.

[truth4me]

In the 2nd part the guy talks about 1776 the founding of America.....Ok then we see Zion 2012 Olympics in London ....lets see 1776 to 2000 is 224 years then 2012 you add another 12 years ok......add hum....236 ok 2+3+6 humm...=11 ah....switch them around...3+6=9 +2= 11.....9/11 humm.....oh well .....

[Sidney]

<snip>

Off & On-World ET's
Mystery Religions (Secret Knowledge)
13 Families
Factions
3 Letter Agencies
UN, Govt's & Vatican/Church
Minions
Minions Minions, etc..
I agree with this list. so basically, ET's (specifically reptilians) IMHO

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hater dons his random cap,

Thanks for the thread BG as it has initiated some interesting dialouge...
You asked -


So 3 questions :
1. Who are they ?
2. What is it you think they have done or you think they do ?
3. Do you feel they deserve compassion and foregiveness or anger and persecution ?

You did not request a perspective from which those questions should be answered as evidenced by the variation in responses.

So...from the perspective of one speck of an infinite field of conciousness...

1) Them, Us, Everything, Anything.
2) Anything that will further accelerate the discovery / understanding of that conciousness.
3) Take your pick as any will lead to further potential for understanding.

Having said that, it does leave me to speculate that along the road to infinity at some point full awareness by that field has or will be attained. Leaving it the choice of continuing to play variations on a theme ad infinitum or collapse into itself since full expression of that potentiality has been achieved and there is no further need for such a construct. ie Everything is already known.

From the above perspective my question then becomes "Why do you choose to care?" since an answer to such would indicate whether or not you feel we have reached the aforementioned tipping point of the 'process of discovery' vs 'already knowing' and thus identify if you believe you are truly seeking knowledge vs playing a bit part just for the hell of it.

Thus if TPTB are just playing the bit parts of sh!t stirrers the dynamic of your original questions shifts quite markedly, no?

cheers

Please resume normal programming... :p

[ViralSpiral]

G'day BG

Thank you so much for posting the link to your blog. Allowed me a better insight. A few mosquito bites deserved attention though.
As you say: "I am nobody special". Me three. Cerebral limitations too, so I speak from the heart...... ;)


The words activities/endeavours appear, and yet you say there is no agenda? Might be pure semantics and my misunderstanding however, to me abduction IS an agenda.
You poo-poo naysayers like Icke & Bassett. Do you have the whole "truth"? Can you not allow them the space to do what they do, like you are? Have they not made a difference? Don't the beings you meet with also only have their perspective?
I acknowledge that we, as a mass, are no-where near accepting who/what we are. I dont however, think that its up to you to decide what an individual can/cant know? I also accept that you say your life might be in danger should you reveal more. Why?!? I know the answer seems obvious. In my world benevolent = well meaning and kindly.
Is your role not also that of "disclosure"?


drip drip drip....



From my heart to yours, may all beings be free from suffering
kind regards
Natural Resource



http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-hug014.gif

[WEAREONE]

It is very surprising to me that the discussion is so strongly tied in to physical solutions/answers. It saddens me that the ideas of control and manipulation are so prominent in this discussion. Whatever the answers may be to the proposed discussion it is astounding to me that open minded forward thinking Avalon members are so stuck in the concept of life as a physical thing. I look forward to better days for all of us. I don't mean to sound so simplistic but the answer is simple. WEAREONE.

[nottelling]

Simplistic is good WEAREONE :)

Rather than spend a lifetime trying to unravel the mysteries and solve the riddles of exactly who TPTB might be so I can hunt them down and punish them for their crimes, I prefer to simplify things and ask myself what is their purpose?

Now here's where I go all child-like and new agey, so bear with me...

The Parable of the Little Soul and the Sun
By Neale Donald Walsch
Extracted From "Conversations With God" Book 3


”You may choose to be any Part of God you wish to be,” I said to the Little Soul. “You are Absolute Divinity, experiencing Itself. What Aspect of Divinity do you now wish to experience as You?”

“You mean I have a choice?” asked the Little Soul. And I answered, “Yes, You may choose to experience Any Aspect of Divinity in, as, and through you.”

“Okay,” said the Little Soul, “then I choose Forgiveness. I want to experience my Self as the Aspect of God called Complete Forgiveness.”

Well, this created a little challenge, as you can imagine.

There was no one to forgive. All I have created is Perfection and Love.

“No one to forgive?” asked the Little Soul, somewhat incredulously.

“No one,” I repeated. “Look around you. Do you see any souls less perfect, less wonderful than you?”

At this the Little Soul twirled around, and was surprised to see himself surrounded by all the souls in heaven. They had come from far and wide throughout the Kingdom, because they heard that the Little Soul was having an extraordinary conversation from God.

<SNIP>

The rest here: http://masterderyk.wordpress.com/2007/07/04/the-parable-of-the-little-soul-and-the-sun/



In that context TPTB tend to shine in a different light.

Well, that's my opinion anyway. It may be a little simplistic and it doesn't involve, burning rage, sweet revenge or years of frenzied searching, but I prefer to put my energy into the positive rather than the negative. Energy does indeed flow where attention goes.

[Bright Garlick]

If I could stress one thing. There are at least 5 arms of TPTB. Half of these are composed of aliens who have been here a long time. They are not interested in power or control - that's our issue (drop all David Ickey ideas !). One alien authorizes all big decisions.

Here's a heads up before I say a lot more :
http://lifeafteraliendisclosure.wordpress.com/2011/07/09/world-disclosure-day/ .


:high5:

Life is. Everything else is a projection.

BG,

The one "alien" that 'authorizes all big decisions' sounds like a flesh(?) and blood(?) 3D entity. Is this correct? If so, then why the obsession with TPTB summoning dimensional beings who are ethereal, not 3D if the big boss man is here on Earth? Does the head decision making alien in turn answer to entities in higher dimensions?

Just quickly - there are 9 aliens - I think representing 8 groups. He represents the 9. They have been here from the beginning. 4 groups helped make our planet and us. They have our best interests at heart They have a vested interest in our evolution, because they feel universal compassion that embraces us ! :ear:

[Bright Garlick]

G'day BG

Thank you so much for posting the link to your blog. Allowed me a better insight. A few mosquito bites deserved attention though.
As you say: "I am nobody special". Me three. Cerebral limitations too, so I speak from the heart...... ;)


The words activities/endeavours appear, and yet you say there is no agenda? Might be pure semantics and my misunderstanding however, to me abduction IS an agenda.
You poo-poo naysayers like Icke & Bassett. Do you have the whole "truth"? Can you not allow them the space to do what they do, like you are? Have they not made a difference? Don't the beings you meet with also only have their perspective?
I acknowledge that we, as a mass, are no-where near accepting who/what we are. I dont however, think that its up to you to decide what an individual can/cant know? I also accept that you say your life might be in danger should you reveal more. Why?!? I know the answer seems obvious. In my world benevolent = well meaning and kindly.
Is your role not also that of "disclosure"?


drip drip drip....



From my heart to yours, may all beings be free from suffering
kind regards
Natural Resource



http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-hug014.gif

Great qu - I agree with all you said ! I am simply frustrated with those who see from a limited pov. But that is my problem.
Thanks again for playing the devils advocate ! My favourite role !

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It is very surprising to me that the discussion is so strongly tied in to physical solutions/answers. It saddens me that the ideas of control and manipulation are so prominent in this discussion. Whatever the answers may be to the proposed discussion it is astounding to me that open minded forward thinking Avalon members are so stuck in the concept of life as a physical thing. I look forward to better days for all of us. I don't mean to sound so simplistic but the answer is simple. WEAREONE.

Yes, yes and YES ! Thank you WEAREONE. :tongue1:

[grapevine]

What a wind up! Bright Garlic, why don't you just spill and give it all. And unlike some I do think it's important to know just who they are - like paedophiles. If we know who they are maybe we can avoid them . . . . and if you're not naming them because of the risk to your family then you are already at risk by announcing that you know who they are. If you revealed their names then we would all know - they can't kill us all any quicker than they already are. At the end of the day: Nothing real can be threatened - nothing unreal exists.

I cannot agree with your comments about David Icke. David presents his opinions based on his own research and leaves it to us whether we believe it or not. What he has done for me and lots of others - and for which I'm eternally grateful - is to MAKE US THINK. Think about possibilities and to question everything.

[Curt]

@Bright Garlick,

I'm still interested in hearing your perspective on this in greater detail. I think many of us would be. Hope all is well.

[Bright Garlick]

Hi W1ndmill - unfortunately your understanding of TPTB is based on the limited views that get peddled by experts. No need to avoid them - many of them have kept humanity alive. They could be your neighbour, for all you know.

Yes I am already at risk and have been warned by several Earth based aliens, to be careful. They may not kill others but they could kill me or my family at the drop of a hat. So I am sorry it ain't worth further risk. I know how far I can go and if I cross that line, I get a visit from a well dressed gentleman and a warning and then no warnings if I keep going. I would like to have a pension when I am older. Although I don't fear them personally, my family doesn't deserve to suffer. I pt this out as an alternative POV about TPTB - for others to consider that they may have made a mistake in their perceptions. Personlly their names mean nothing to anyone else because many of them do not exist - so that gives the plebs no power at all over them and besides that is the wrong way to think about the relationship - that is still us and them and dualistic. Consider them as us and there are different qualities of persons in each group. Some pure and honest with great integrity, others prone to human foible.

You would gain more from the Buddhadharma than Mr Icke. Delusion is an easy state of mind to create, self awareness takes genuine determined and sustained effort - which Mr Icke lacks. He only thinks he is self aware. But I don't wish to fling mud but please think and feel for yourself. If possibilities do matter to you, consider that their are other possibilities other than the one's he suggests.

Best wishes, Bright. :tongue1:


What a wind up! Bright Garlic, why don't you just spill and give it all. And unlike some I do think it's important to know just who they are - like paedophiles. If we know who they are maybe we can avoid them . . . . and if you're not naming them because of the risk to your family then you are already at risk by announcing that you know who they are. If you revealed their names then we would all know - they can't kill us all any quicker than they already are. At the end of the day: Nothing real can be threatened - nothing unreal exists.

I cannot agree with your comments about David Icke. David presents his opinions based on his own research and leaves it to us whether we believe it or not. What he has done for me and lots of others - and for which I'm eternally grateful - is to MAKE US THINK. Think about possibilities and to question everything.

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@Bright Garlick,

I'm still interested in hearing your perspective on this in greater detail. I think many of us would be. Hope all is well.

Thanks CurtisW. In time but cautiously. :fencing:

[grapevine]

Hi Bright Garlic

I did not give a viewpoint about TPTB, except to say that if we knew who they were we might be able to avoid them. For the moment I prefer to keep my own counsel. My neighbours are drug dealers btw, so who’s to say . . .? You could well be right. :)

Nobody wants any harm to come to either you or your family BG, but if there is any risk at all then why post in the first place? I do wish that somebody who promises so much in their OP – and you are not the only one - would either get on with it or else not start it in the first place.

Do you assume that I cannot think or feel for myself because I object to your unfair and uncalled for slagging off of David Icke? How bizarre. Such an assumption shows severely limited reasoning.

Best wishes to you.

Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists.

[Kano]

Hi Bright Garlic

I did not give a viewpoint about TPTB, except to say that if we knew who they were we might be able to avoid them. For the moment I prefer to keep my own counsel. My neighbours are drug dealers btw, so who’s to say . . .? You could well be right. :)

Nobody wants any harm to come to either you or your family BG, but if there is any risk at all then why post in the first place? I do wish that somebody who promises so much in their OP – and you are not the only one - would either get on with it or else not start it in the first place.

Do you assume that I cannot think or feel for myself because I object to your unfair and uncalled for slagging off of David Icke? How bizarre. Such an assumption shows severely limited reasoning.

Best wishes to you.

Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists.

A very salient point, w1indmill.

BG probably has his heart in the right place, but the carrot dangling is stale with the members of this forum.

Cheers,
Kano

[laughs-last]

There are powers that be, I never got told about them in a memo (looks at sheets) nope they are not on memo notes; so if they are not on memo notes then they must not be 'The powers that be' it clearly says have who's in charge..... no powers that be, sorry................ It does mention that the super dupper supreme consciousness has effection domain rights over pretty much everthing, there was a page on the void however i seem to have miss placed that.

Ok hope this helps you the Pan galactic council of amalgamated fools, bafoons and jokers, would like to remind you that by reading this you no longer are bound by article 4. sub section 5 of the 'being a slave to another being act' dated 348920883: k'li'c'k'de m'iccee noo vs. Everything Corp. and can also wear purple clothes with being shot at on Galaspas V.

ONE LOVE, BIG HUGZ and IMPROBABILITY DRIVES ;) :jester:

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doh sorry that should read 'also wear purple clothes without being shot at, on Galaspas V' phew that was a close one, wouldn't want you to sue me if ya got shot on Galaspas V

[shamanseeker]

I don't mean to be rude, but you said
"I have spent a long time looking into this subject both personally and through a contact who worked for THEM."
Then you turn around and ask US who they are?! Shouldn't WE be asking YOU???
Will you be sharing what you have learnt from your contact?

No rudeness taken moonchild. Yes I am comfortable with what I know and will share some of that. Too much puts me and my family at great personal risk but up to a point maybe ok. I allready have shared some here but few saw the connections before I deleted what I had shared. Call it personal protection !

I am curious about what others think - if indeed others have really thought this through or if they just regurgitate their favourite conspiracy icon ;-)
People genuinely fascinate me and I have compassion for all beings - as we are all struggling with the mind and the harmony between heart and mind.

Adios, Bright. :nerd:

Sorry, Bright Garlick but I don't think this is about your compassion and curiosity for all beings - it feels to me like you are playing with us like a cat with a mouse! I think this a little like how the illuminati look down on us and treat us (with contempt)!

[Chuck]

In the early 90s, Eustace Mullins, under the tutelage of Ezra Pound wrote a masterpiece called “Secrets of the Federal Reserve”. In there is listed a great many names. It is a good start for those looking for such…

http://www.barefootsworld.net/fedsecrets_00.html

[Bright Garlick]

Hi Bright Garlic

I did not give a viewpoint about TPTB, except to say that if we knew who they were we might be able to avoid them. For the moment I prefer to keep my own counsel. My neighbours are drug dealers btw, so who’s to say . . .? You could well be right. :)

Nobody wants any harm to come to either you or your family BG, but if there is any risk at all then why post in the first place? I do wish that somebody who promises so much in their OP – and you are not the only one - would either get on with it or else not start it in the first place.

Do you assume that I cannot think or feel for myself because I object to your unfair and uncalled for slagging off of David Icke? How bizarre. Such an assumption shows severely limited reasoning.

Best wishes to you.

Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists.

All good points w1ndmill. I am not trying to play games with anyone. I am first of all fascinated by what others think and if they do indeed think for themselves. Second, I would like to bring others to the truth that I have learned gently. Thirdly, I can't move as quick as I'd like because of ignorance and because I am constantly being warned by The Architecture (read TPTB) to be careful I don't cross the line. I have given many hints, that no one that I know of has followed up upon.

If it was as simple as just saying everything I know I would. But it isn't and I can't. But some people here know there is an alternative truth to that peddaled by many in the conspiracy field, that has nothing to do with hostile aliens and controlling PTB.

I do promise nothing, except that I will try to share what I can in homeopathic amounts.

Sorry about slagging off Mr Icke. I can't stand the man. He is dangerous and deluded and I cannot see him otherwise. I have nothing against him personally but dislike his ignorance.

I am sure you are independent in your thinking and feeling but don't be misled because David Icke says it is so.

Be well, Bright. :party:

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You, my friend are very funny ! :humble: :peace:


There are powers that be, I never got told about them in a memo (looks at sheets) nope they are not on memo notes; so if they are not on memo notes then they must not be 'The powers that be' it clearly says have who's in charge..... no powers that be, sorry................ It does mention that the super dupper supreme consciousness has effection domain rights over pretty much everthing, there was a page on the void however i seem to have miss placed that.

Ok hope this helps you the Pan galactic council of amalgamated fools, bafoons and jokers, would like to remind you that by reading this you no longer are bound by article 4. sub section 5 of the 'being a slave to another being act' dated 348920883: k'li'c'k'de m'iccee noo vs. Everything Corp. and can also wear purple clothes with being shot at on Galaspas V.

ONE LOVE, BIG HUGZ and IMPROBABILITY DRIVES ;) :jester:

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doh sorry that should read 'also wear purple clothes without being shot at, on Galaspas V' phew that was a close one, wouldn't want you to sue me if ya got shot on Galaspas V

[Bright Garlick]

It may be useful to elabrorate on the term The Powers That Be. This is a meme - a contagious phrase that transmits an idea.

TPTB as I view them are 3 things :
95 % of the 'idea of TPTB' - are in fact the greedy corporations and governments of the world. They are not the one's who have Great Secrets - only their own.
The Architecture - 2 groups - 1 human and 1 alien, with 1 group containing both.

The one's most people identify or suspect as TPTB are the first group and to a lesser extent the 3rd group.
Each group has many sub groups. The second group of The Architecture is alien and will be here for the long run. The third group is here for the short term. Both groups for the most part have our best interests at heart. Some within the 3rd group are as ignorant as those in the 1st group, outside of The Architecture. They are humans with foibles. A few exceptionally good humans are in the roost with the aliens but they are out numbered by ordinary humans, who have their weaknesses and of course those greedy profiteers from the first group, which is not part of the authentic TPTB.

Various parts of The Architecture have been in place for a long time. The human group, more recent.

If you map what I have said previously it will make more sense.

[kersley]

You dare call David Icke ignorant? exactly what are you briging to the table apart from your oversized ego?
You sound like a big kid who got a new bike for christmas and the rest of us didn't
It,s all good hiding behind the safety of your family as an excuse, but you knew the danger before you started this thread.
you either want to share or sit down next to Bob Dean....

[Bright Garlick]

You dare call David Icke ignorant? exactly what are you briging to the table apart from your oversized ego?
You sound like a big kid who got a new bike for christmas and the rest of us didn't
It,s all good hiding behind the safety of your family as an excuse, but you knew the danger before you started this thread.
you either want to share or sit down next to Bob Dean....

Thank you Kersley for your kind comments. Yes I dare call Mr Icke ignorant. May I stress - very ignorant.
Yes I have an ego but size is a misnomer. Ego is also a concept not a fact. Aware ego, maybe.

There is no danger - so long as I respect the boundaries.
My family is my excuse. So is having cancer. But still I take calculated risks. What have you got to lose ?

I didn't start this thread to get into a mud fight. I have strong opinions like most people but I remain open. But when I know facts that most people don't, I am not going to swallow any one elses delusionary poison.

I will share with those who want to listen, as I am able. If you don't wish to know my opinion, ignore me.

I have nothing to gain and a great deal to lose.

:sleep:

[ViralSpiral]

It may be useful to elabrorate on the term The Powers That Be. This is a meme - a contagious phrase that transmits an idea.

TPTB as I view them are 3 things :
95 % of the 'idea of TPTB' - are in fact the greedy corporations and governments of the world. They are not the one's who have Great Secrets - only their own.
The Architecture - 2 groups - 1 human and 1 alien, with 1 group containing both.

The one's most people identify or suspect as TPTB are the first group and to a lesser extent the 3rd group.
Each group has many sub groups. The second group of The Architecture is alien and will be here for the long run. The third group is here for the short term. Both groups for the most part have our best interests at heart. Some within the 3rd group are as ignorant as those in the 1st group, outside of The Architecture. They are humans with foibles. A few exceptionally good humans are in the roost with the aliens but they are out numbered by ordinary humans, who have their weaknesses and of course those greedy profiteers from the first group, which is not part of the authentic TPTB.

Various parts of The Architecture have been in place for a long time. The human group, more recent.

If you map what I have said previously it will make more sense.



As with some memes, its evolution can also result in bad science ;)

I appreciate what you are transmitting however, can you not also see where you are being manipulated?

[Bright Garlick]

PS. I am not here to make friends or be liked. I am here to share and to encourage. I left before because of the same kind of stead fast opinions and love of those who sell the truth for fame and money.

My time here is limited. If you want to throw knives - that's your choice.

Be happy and be well, Bright. :becky:

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It may be useful to elabrorate on the term The Powers That Be. This is a meme - a contagious phrase that transmits an idea.

TPTB as I view them are 3 things :
95 % of the 'idea of TPTB' - are in fact the greedy corporations and governments of the world. They are not the one's who have Great Secrets - only their own.
The Architecture - 2 groups - 1 human and 1 alien, with 1 group containing both.

The one's most people identify or suspect as TPTB are the first group and to a lesser extent the 3rd group.
Each group has many sub groups. The second group of The Architecture is alien and will be here for the long run. The third group is here for the short term. Both groups for the most part have our best interests at heart. Some within the 3rd group are as ignorant as those in the 1st group, outside of The Architecture. They are humans with foibles. A few exceptionally good humans are in the roost with the aliens but they are out numbered by ordinary humans, who have their weaknesses and of course those greedy profiteers from the first group, which is not part of the authentic TPTB.

Various parts of The Architecture have been in place for a long time. The human group, more recent.

If you map what I have said previously it will make more sense.



As with some memes, its evolution can also result in bad science ;)

I appreciate what you are transmitting however, can you not also see where you are being manipulated?

Thank you ViralSpiral - I value your opinion also.

I do this of my own free will, against the recomendations of those of who I speak because I HATE falsity. No one is manipulating me. This is entirely my choice. ;)

[ThePythonicCow]

I appreciate what you are transmitting however, can you not also see where you are being manipulated?
I doubt that either you or I are in a position to know whether Bright Garlic is being manipulated.

[Curt]

@ Bright Garlick,

Thanks for expanding upon what you had said earlier. If I understand you correctly, you are suggesting that the Corporations/Greedy Fat Cats one might normally call TPTB are not in fact the genuine PTB, but that they are only a group of misguided high level (from our perspective) players-out of their own agendas. And that the REAL PTB are made up of two groups, one human, another non-human. And that it is in these two groups where true authority over the planet exists. And further, that the true power structure (or architecture) is comprised of good and bad elements, with good and bad people working alongside alien intelligences. Further, that there are multiple aspects and sub groups within each house of authority.

I don't honestly hear anyone arguing with these principles. Nobody is saying they disagree with this. We all accept that we don't know who the real players are, and that the usual suspects (pin-stripe suit-wearing greedy banksters oil tycoons, etc) aren't the real power. We all pretty much accept that it's all deeper and more complex than this. None of us is averse to what you're saying about groups of people and aliens, some good, some bad, really calling the shots. That's why we're here to listen to what you have to say.

So the repeated suggestion that 'we' are locked in our opinions and are all wedded to the ideas of a particular school of thought or worse yet, a particular 'guru', is actually a bit offensive. It's also very broad and incorrect, given that 'we' i.e. the people interested in this thread, are coming from innumerable different (incorrect) perspectives. You are setting yourself in opposition to the rest of 'us' as though we are a monolith of the same type of ignorance, which is totally unnecessary and cannot help but to promote antipathy toward your views. You are shooting yourself in the foot.

Why not drop telling us how ignorant we are and get on telling us what you are willing to share, in however small of a piece you are comfortable with? I say this with respect. And I hope you can feel where I'm coming from, because it is not a place of animosity. I only want you to see where your approach is falling short and to help you to better see how your message is being muddled by your approach.

I believe you have something important to share, and that it is at least as important for you to share it as it is for 'us' to hear it. It is in this spirit that I offer this gentle criticism. I hope you are well.

[Tony]

The power must be within one's own consciousness. We probably want something out there to fight, but what ever is assumed to be out there can only be known within one's mind. That is where it is registered.

So one can either (within the mind) keep relating to what is outside ( and there is no end to that) or relate to that which is within.

It all depends on what you think is more real. Do you have the power, or does some else have the power?


Tony

[shamanseeker]

Bright Garlick, it seems to me that the only people who can be sure who TPTB are would have to be on the same level as them and working for the dark side. TPTB don't even tell their own people who their leaders are! David Icke is not ignorant - if he is, so is Bill Ryan who supports him 100%. I have had enough experiences in my life to know that what David is talking about is true - including seeing someone shapeshift. That person used to have an attitude very like yours and used the ploy of getting your sympathy like you do. If you are so scared for your life or as you say your family, why do you display your photo on your profile? I am behind W1ndmill when she says that if you won't say who these people are, why did you start the thread - just to see what people think? Is this a questionnaire and for whom? Just your curiosity?

[math330]

BG - if you sincerely know and won't tell us, you're just toying with people's hopes and emotions. And that's not fair at all. This whole thread, if that's the case, is one enormous tease. Is this a guessing game? No.

Personally, if I knew and were that concerned about the fate or direction of humanity I'd release the information in a heartbeat - whatever the consequences to myself. Humanity is infinitely larger than me.

Else, if you know (big if - sorry mate but I do doubt what you're saying - as I do anyone with uncorroborated, unnamed sources) you could always use a proxy and anonymously deliver the goods.

Whaddup? ;)

[kersley]

BG I didn't mean to offend you, But ths waitng s just so very frustrating.
Have you tried Jm Humble's MMS? do some research and look into it....
K

[noprophet]

stop trying to figure things out, stop trying to make things happen, and relax, at rest, at peace.


This is great advice for the stressed, however; once you've sat in this peace and observed god a bit, calmed yourself and disseminated life into inner silence - what then? What if you want to participate? What if peace isn't the point?

[jjjones]

bright garlick, why don't you investigate and find the answers to your own questions and give us your answers. teach us something! namaste, peace, love universally :)

[lslimerick]

I think to make any point it is not necessary to knock someone else, regardless of personal opinion, David Icke has given his life to waking up people and it hasnt been an easy ride....use your own judgement on what you take from his work....

I think we are all the bad guys, I think we have played both roles - there may be higher powers that have pulled strings and manipulated, but we played along with the game, so regardless of who thinks they are on top, I am as much to blame as anyone I know, i dont need to try to go up the chains of command, you will never know....but I do know that I am responsible for all that I have done in my small world to contribute to the larger problems - judgement, anger, tantrums, purchasing materialistic fluff from unethical companies, drinking poisoned sodas, which support the big boys, usings banks, throwing plastic in non recycling environments, small potatoes.....so I am not intersted in the Rothchilds, the Obamas, the reptilians, the whoever, I have finally woken up enough to say I am responsible for me, I am the change we need in the world and the rest will follow....end of for me!! I dont have enough time left in this lifetime to keep trying to figure out who is responsible/blame, its becoming irrelevant and no hard feelings against the powers that were - I want 100% of the world to move to a better day and if these guys/gals/other races want to put down their darkness and come into the light, then I will be good with all of that....

[1159]

you and I are the powers that be. If you think about that deeply, you will realise that is the full and total truth. The reason why it does not appear that way, is simply because we don't fully believe it.

[ThePythonicCow]

I just deleted one post above, that was made in the last hour. Let's keep our comments respectful of other members, even if we disagree with their views.

P.S. - also deleted a reply to the deleted post, as it lacks context now.

[Bright Garlick]

@ Bright Garlick,

Thanks for expanding upon what you had said earlier. If I understand you correctly, you are suggesting that the Corporations/Greedy Fat Cats one might normally call TPTB are not in fact the genuine PTB, but that they are only a group of misguided high level (from our perspective) players-out of their own agendas. And that the REAL PTB are made up of two groups, one human, another non-human. And that it is in these two groups where true authority over the planet exists. And further, that the true power structure (or architecture) is comprised of good and bad elements, with good and bad people working alongside alien intelligences. Further, that there are multiple aspects and sub groups within each house of authority.

I don't honestly hear anyone arguing with these principles. Nobody is saying they disagree with this. We all accept that we don't know who the real players are, and that the usual suspects (pin-stripe suit-wearing greedy banksters oil tycoons, etc) aren't the real power. We all pretty much accept that it's all deeper and more complex than this. None of us is averse to what you're saying about groups of people and aliens, some good, some bad, really calling the shots. That's why we're here to listen to what you have to say.

So the repeated suggestion that 'we' are locked in our opinions and are all wedded to the ideas of a particular school of thought or worse yet, a particular 'guru', is actually a bit offensive. It's also very broad and incorrect, given that 'we' i.e. the people interested in this thread, are coming from innumerable different (incorrect) perspectives. You are setting yourself in opposition to the rest of 'us' as though we are a monolith of the same type of ignorance, which is totally unnecessary and cannot help but to promote antipathy toward your views. You are shooting yourself in the foot.

Why not drop telling us how ignorant we are and get on telling us what you are willing to share, in however small of a piece you are comfortable with? I say this with respect. And I hope you can feel where I'm coming from, because it is not a place of animosity. I only want you to see where your approach is falling short and to help you to better see how your message is being muddled by your approach.

I believe you have something important to share, and that it is at least as important for you to share it as it is for 'us' to hear it. It is in this spirit that I offer this gentle criticism. I hope you are well.

Hi Curtis - thank you for your considerate words. Your suggestions are noted. It certainly isn't my intention to bag all as ignorant, only to voice objection to those who hold steadfast opinions, informed by well paid authors who are ill informed and new age memes.

I have already shared a lot. You were spot on in the first paragraph. If people were to go back over my link and what I have said here and previously, that would inform them a great deal more. There is a lot I have shared but it seems to have flown past many people without being noticed.

The reality is that The Architecture will never be known in full because it was designed not to be, to protect the masses. But some of what it is can be known, when people LOOK into it. Look means many things, depending on your perspective.

I can tell people names of individuals and corporations and governments but if I did that I and my family would dissapear tomorrow. Instead I encourage others to LOOK into things, in a way that brings them to a place of understanding, as it has me.

As I have said before, this is a lot like rights of passage in Aboriginal cultures. People aren't just given things for free, they have to earn them through trial, initiation and hard work. Just because I'm encouraging discussion of this topic, doesn't mean I am toying with people or willing to give away what I learned the hard way, putting my family at risk. I encourage others to LOOK, as that is the only way to learn the truth about The Architecture.

Thanks for feeling with your heart !

Bright. :bathbaby:

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Thank you Tony - very wise words indeed. That at the end of the day is what truly matters. Regardless of who is out there !
Be well, Bright.


The power must be within one's own consciousness. We probably want something out there to fight, but what ever is assumed to be out there can only be known within one's mind. That is where it is registered.

So one can either (within the mind) keep relating to what is outside ( and there is no end to that) or relate to that which is within.

It all depends on what you think is more real. Do you have the power, or does some else have the power?


Tony

[Bright Garlick]

Bright Garlick, it seems to me that the only people who can be sure who TPTB are would have to be on the same level as them and working for the dark side. TPTB don't even tell their own people who their leaders are! David Icke is not ignorant - if he is, so is Bill Ryan who supports him 100%. I have had enough experiences in my life to know that what David is talking about is true - including seeing someone shapeshift. That person used to have an attitude very like yours and used the ploy of getting your sympathy like you do. If you are so scared for your life or as you say your family, why do you display your photo on your profile? I am behind W1ndmill when she says that if you won't say who these people are, why did you start the thread - just to see what people think? Is this a questionnaire and for whom? Just your curiosity?

Hello my friend - let me clarify. Not scared, cautious. There is no dark side - that's more DI BS. No polarities in reality - a delusion of the mind.
I have no fear, unless I cross the line. I display my whole life because I know The Architecture knows everything that goes through the internet and the system about everyone. They know where I live and where I work and what I look like and the colours of my favourite shirt. I have nothing to be scared about, unless I disclose names.

I did start this out of curiosity and because I wanted to share some of what I know. It has turned out to be a litmus test of sorts and I can clearly see that many posters here are not ready for the truth - still too much us and them. That is also why alien disclosure is not going tot happen.

As to your comments about DI and BR - I agree with you. But some people are more ignorant than others and in different ways.

Compare me to a shape shifter if you like - it brought a smile to my face. Sympathy, nah who needs it. I can have cancer and live without sympathy. Remember these are your projections.

Have a wonderful day,

Bright. :bounce:

[Bright Garlick]

BG - if you sincerely know and won't tell us, you're just toying with people's hopes and emotions. And that's not fair at all. This whole thread, if that's the case, is one enormous tease. Is this a guessing game? No.

Personally, if I knew and were that concerned about the fate or direction of humanity I'd release the information in a heartbeat - whatever the consequences to myself. Humanity is infinitely larger than me.

Else, if you know (big if - sorry mate but I do doubt what you're saying - as I do anyone with uncorroborated, unnamed sources) you could always use a proxy and anonymously deliver the goods.

Whaddup? ;)

Thank you but you still misunderstand. TPTB - The Architecture are not all bad guys that the public needs to lynch. You are still thinking of the greedy corporates who are outside of The Architecture. And I am not you - I have weighed this up for years and still move cautiously. No games.

Why do you think aliens don't just reveal themselves to all ?

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BG I didn't mean to offend you, But ths waitng s just so very frustrating.
Have you tried Jm Humble's MMS? do some research and look into it....
K

Hi Kersley - no offence at all. MMS is dangerous to one kidney and Carcinoid tumours. Could kill me first ! I am also wary of Jim !

But thanks anyway.

BG

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I think to make any point it is not necessary to knock someone else, regardless of personal opinion, David Icke has given his life to waking up people and it hasnt been an easy ride....use your own judgement on what you take from his work....

I think we are all the bad guys, I think we have played both roles - there may be higher powers that have pulled strings and manipulated, but we played along with the game, so regardless of who thinks they are on top, I am as much to blame as anyone I know, i dont need to try to go up the chains of command, you will never know....but I do know that I am responsible for all that I have done in my small world to contribute to the larger problems - judgement, anger, tantrums, purchasing materialistic fluff from unethical companies, drinking poisoned sodas, which support the big boys, usings banks, throwing plastic in non recycling environments, small potatoes.....so I am not intersted in the Rothchilds, the Obamas, the reptilians, the whoever, I have finally woken up enough to say I am responsible for me, I am the change we need in the world and the rest will follow....end of for me!! I dont have enough time left in this lifetime to keep trying to figure out who is responsible/blame, its becoming irrelevant and no hard feelings against the powers that were - I want 100% of the world to move to a better day and if these guys/gals/other races want to put down their darkness and come into the light, then I will be good with all of that....

Personal responsibility - spot on Islimerick !!!
:bounce:

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you and I are the powers that be. If you think about that deeply, you will realise that is the full and total truth. The reason why it does not appear that way, is simply because we don't fully believe it.

Yes and it can never be any different. Self realization is the only real power.

Thank you 1159.

Bright.

[Bright Garlick]

Can I please urge people to reinvestigate my opening post and the 3 questions I asked ? Most of you seemed to have missed where this started.

Adios, Bright.:p

[ViralSpiral]

Can I please urge people to reinvestigate my opening post and the 3 questions I asked ?

Adios, Bright.:p


Meandering is a natural (and I think healthy) process.

I love this thread BG, it shines a torch into dark recesses that need evoking ,-)
How do we preserve the light?
How do we not see an us/them when all that we are, are ineffectual lab rats?
We seem to find the cheese, can even move it, but cant transcend it.....
And as a rat, we also don't remember that we are all one. This was done by design/agenda. No?
So busy are we running through the maze, that there is scant time to sit on a patch of green and ponder about life or unconditional love.
Those of us who have found their way here, know that.
How are the masses expected to find their way when the conditioning has been so extreme?
If this litmus test proves that we are self-imploding, will The Architecture allow it to happen?
How is that not an us/them?
I understand that as consciousness we are all co-creators with essentially the same goals. However, you mention different groups, with different "activities". How is that not an us/them?
It is my understanding that we have indeed been "assisted" in advancing technology/medicine etc., however in my opinion spirituality was not a priority. Instead we have dogma.
We have cures for certain diseases that were once deemed incurable, but have not learnt to shut down our minds for 5 minutes.
In less that 200 years, we drive, fly, visit other planets, cellphone and Facebook - and yet we cannot meet our "family"?

Pretty sad really.

Thanks for your tolerance & patience with the litmuses :)



Back to the maze.....http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/cleaning-smiley.gif?1292867570

[shamanseeker]

Hi Bright Garlick,
Could you tell us where you got the information about MMS from? Jim Humble was one of the people, along with David Icke, that Bill Ryan mentioned as being 100% reliable. If MMS is so dangerous, why are TPTB trying to destroy his work and kill him and his collaborators - surely they are not thinking of our welfare? Or maybe you think they are? You still have not addressed my point that TPTB do not even inform their own ranks who is in charge. How do you know who they are? Have you dreamt it? Have aliens told you? Do you channel? How do you 'know' (surely this info would not put your life in danger)? How can we think you are a more reliable source than David Icke who has had the courage to stand up and declare all he does know? Your messages are very muddled and not straight-forward, I'm afraid.
Thanks for reading!

[Bright Garlick]

Hi Shamanseeker - I have no more to say about MMS - I have been living with cancer for 4 years and taken many many paths to understand my own path. MMS is not on my path.

The Architecture are many and varied. Those who need to know, know who is in charge. The 90 I mention know who is ultimately in charge. Humans for the most part are weak and our minds are not stable - that is why different arms of The Architecture have different behaviours. The aliens are consistant all the way. Please read all my posts/links on this subject, as I have given enough to help you understand.

How do I know - once again and I have said this before. Someone I know very well worked/still works at a high level in in TA. I have checked it with 2 alien races I have contact with, who are also represented in the group of 9. I have also been using a technique I have called journeying - similar but not the same as RV. I was taught by the person who worked for them in 1995 and again later. But she taught me for other reasons. I have looked into many things. This is but one of them. I am a psychotherapist/scientist by trade and a Buddhist. i don't channel, though I do access differing voices of self and have developed several approaches for doing this. I also use future life therapy as part of my therapy with clients.

Believe David if you like, rather than me. It's your choice. I am offering encouragement towards an understanding that few on the internet have. No ego, just a willingness to help.

I won't be here for much longer, as this is taking up too much energy.

This is not like Charles. I have nothing to gain and I don't deceive anyone. I follow the 8 Fold Noble Path as best as I can and deception would hurt me and you. I already have some regret over comments I have made but everything comes and everything goes.

To reiterate - please those who are interested - follow my hints and map what I have said. It will make more sense that way.

And a final comment. Do you think 4 groups of aliens would create our planet and later our species and do nothing to assist ? What we see as problematic is short term suffering. We will overcome this suffering when we understand the nature of mind and feel universal compassion for all beings. The aliens have this. Humans, for the most part, do not.

Namaste, Bright. :hug:

[Bright Garlick]

One last thing. Given that I have a rare life threatening cancer and 5 tumours that hurt like hell sometimes, do any of you think I would start this thread or any other (such as the chosen 7 or questions for aliens), just to play games ? What a waste of my life that would be !

Life is precious and I am giving the only way I can. :party:

[ViralSpiral]

Now you made me cry..... http://www.emotty.com/images/emoticons/988.png

Your life, presence here and your sharing is a GREAT gift to me!


Thank you, bless you

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[shamanseeker]

Thank you Bright Garlick for answering my post. I am still curious to know how you know MMS is dangerous. How can you be sure that your contacts are telling you the truth? What doesn't resonate with me is your attitude and that of your contacts that humans are weak and our minds are not stable but that they on the other hand are always consistent. This could well be true but does not seem to me to be a terminology that would be used by beings who are spiritually evolved, love us and are trying to help us. I believe David because my experiences are in line with what he says. I believe that there are aliens here to assist us, e.g. from the Pleiades. I do not, however, read anything in their messages that is derogatory concerning their opinions of humans or generalizations. You seem to me to be sending two conflicting messages: one of love but also one of contempt for us. It is this which does not open me to your message.

[Curt]

Can I please urge people to reinvestigate my opening post and the 3 questions I asked ?

Adios, Bright.:p


Meandering is a natural (and I think healthy) process.

I love this thread BG, it shines a torch into dark recesses that need evoking ,-)
How do we preserve the light?
How do we not see an us/them when all that we are, are ineffectual lab rats?
We seem to find the cheese, can even move it, but cant transcend it.....
And as a rat, we also don't remember that we are all one. This was done by design/agenda. No?
So busy are we running through the maze, that there is scant time to sit on a patch of green and ponder about life or unconditional love.
Those of us who have found their way here, know that.
How are the masses expected to find their way when the conditioning has been so extreme?
If this litmus test proves that we are self-imploding, will The Architecture allow it to happen?
How is that not an us/them?
I understand that as consciousness we are all co-creators with essentially the same goals. However, you mention different groups, with different "activities". How is that not an us/them?
It is my understanding that we have indeed been "assisted" in advancing technology/medicine etc., however in my opinion spirituality was not a priority. Instead we have dogma.
We have cures for certain diseases that were once deemed incurable, but have not learnt to shut down our minds for 5 minutes.
In less that 200 years, we drive, fly, visit other planets, cellphone and Facebook - and yet we cannot meet our "family"?

Pretty sad really.

Thanks for your tolerance & patience with the litmuses :)



Back to the maze.....http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/cleaning-smiley.gif?1292867570

Beautifully said. I'm learning quite a lot these days. My perspective is truly changing, and I thank you.

[shamanseeker]

Hi, I'm having difficulty copying the quotes I'm interested in being new here so excuse me: but in post 65 you say that you have to be careful so you can live long enough to get your pension and then in a later post you say "My time here is limited. If you want to throw knives - that's your choice." after numerous references to life-threatening cancer.
You have given us little substantial fact. There is one leader of TPTB. There is a human group and there are various groups of ETs. You say that the dark side does not exist that we are naive if we think it does or we believe in a conspiracy. Why is your life in danger then?
Are you absolutely sure you aren't pussy-footing with us, Bright Garlick?

[Bright Garlick]

Hi, I'm having difficulty copying the quotes I'm interested in being new here so excuse me: but in post 65 you say that you have to be careful so you can live long enough to get your pension and then in a later post you say "My time here is limited. If you want to throw knives - that's your choice." after numerous references to life-threatening cancer.
You have given us little substantial fact. There is one leader of TPTB. There is a human group and there are various groups of ETs. You say that the dark side does not exist that we are naive if we think it does or we believe in a conspiracy. Why is your life in danger then?
Are you absolutely sure you aren't pussy-footing with us, Bright Garlick?

Hi shamanseeker - let me TRY to clarify.

I have a life threatening cancer - so I choose carefully where to spend my time. This process is tiring me and so I will go for good soon.

If I cross the line with The Architecture I would :
A. Have my life complicated in various ways - like having my capacity to get the pension impaired - should I live long enough with my current health issues.
B. Be killed if I cross the line in a way that really pisses them off.

Be mindful of one thing. The alien in charge does not give the order to kill people. That comes from humans in lower parts of TA and from humans in governments outside of TA.

I am also considering withdrawing from public life in the next 12 months - pending my health and advice of various individuals. Too much giving on the internet and in real life, doesn't help me heal. Having to justify my POV here is an example.

Aliens don't say the human mind is weak, I do. Look at humanity across our existence as a species ! I despise humans and love them as my own - both small mind and big mind. I am weak like all humans. The aliens are, for the most part, a great deal more spiritually evolved than any of us could imagine.

Pleaidians don't exist. That's a star cluster//constellation that we recognize, and billions of life forms. Which one in that group do you refer to ?

Aliens that I know of are infinetely patient and compassionate towards us. This is what Steven Greer also says and that pisses people off because we want to see good and evil or any other kind of duality. Anything else you hear or read is BS. It is not the direction of natural evolution.

Do I look like someone who has time or an interest in pussy footing or games ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5UUSNZ_XiE

Please don't expect me to substantiate what you want. No one who really knows this material would take that risk. Take it with a grain of salt. But if you want to believe, in 20-30 years I will share more, if I am alive to do so ! Pictures, documents, photos - who in their right mind would take that risk ? Would you ? And besides I don't have those things - only first hand testimony from humans and aliens I trust. And what I have seen. People believed Charles on what basis ? Because Bill saw some unusual things ? Because Charles was so honest ? I speak with honesty and integrity.

Look at me, do I look like someone who plays games or wants to deceive you ? I have spent my life cultivating compassion !

As I say, I will leave here soon.

Those 3 questions in post 1 were asked as much for you all, as for me ! And because I have a genuine curiosity about how my own species thinks about these issues. I want to know if people are really capable of thinking beyond what they are given by 'prophets and other icons' of new age conspiracy.

I mean no ill to any one. I am just frustrated and annoyed with myself for returning to PA.

Be happy and be well,

Bright.

All life is precious but how easily humans forget their own fragility.

[another bob]

stop trying to figure things out, stop trying to make things happen, and relax, at rest, at peace.


This is great advice for the stressed, however; once you've sat in this peace and observed god a bit, calmed yourself and disseminated life into inner silence - what then? What if you want to participate? What if peace isn't the point?

Greetings, Friend!

More what ifs, eh. I'll tell you that the best answer is not going to come from me or anyone else. It's the one you find out for yourself, after you've first taken the time to discover who and what you really are. In fact, from that point, things become quite spontaneous, natural, effortless even.

However, back to the OP -- on another forum I visit, a poster was noting reports of unusual bird behavior cropping up recently around the internet. I know that one of our canaries who used to sing with great gusto has recently lost his voice. It's kind of sad watching him opening and closing his beak attempting to sing, but only rendering faint clicking noises instead. We all hope it's just a temporary thing, but maybe it represents something more ominous, something that maybe David Wilcock and Ben Fulford could trace back to the mysterious Powers That Be.

Something is happening for sure, but nobody can quite put it into words, just like my canary you might say. Perhaps that's just how it is with everything in general, and conspiracy forum communications in particular. When it comes right down to it, after all is said and done, we are actually in a perpetual state of not knowing. Check it out -- have you really ever known what a thing actually is? Any thing? Not what its name is, but what it really is?

The good news is, if we remain calm and avoid being in conflict with our not knowing (in other words, just letting our not knowing be the case, without trying to change it by adding some temporary knowledge to it and spoiling its pristine transparent quality of absolute innocence), then we can agree with the person who discovered that ignorance is bliss, and so pass our days enjoying the happiness of simply being what we are, just as we are -- gloriously incomprehensible.


Blessings!

[truthseekerdan]

Thank you BG for sharing your personal video with Avalon. Let me now share a few words, before taking my physical rest for the night. :)

Everything happening on this earth is the result of thought. Now lets clarify that statement...

This does not mean that everything has been created by thought. It simply means that everything has been created as a result of thought. Every thought of every person who has ever lived has been indelibly recorded in the 'Universal Mind' (or God), which has been moved to action because of it. This Mind attempts to manifest all thought to the person thinking it, and it also attempts to manifest it to all the world.

Our individual and collective thoughts is what creates our reality. The Subconscious Mind, or God, does not recognize suffering or pain or war or famine or disease. Because its 'nature' is non-dualistic, It recognizes only conception and desire, or thought and emotion, and it recognizes them only one way -- by creating them into actuality. Thought is real, physical is the illusion.

Much Love & Wisdom ~ Dan

[Bright Garlick]

stop trying to figure things out, stop trying to make things happen, and relax, at rest, at peace.


This is great advice for the stressed, however; once you've sat in this peace and observed god a bit, calmed yourself and disseminated life into inner silence - what then? What if you want to participate? What if peace isn't the point?

Greetings, Friend!

More what ifs, eh. I'll tell you that the best answer is not going to come from me or anyone else. It's the one you find out for yourself, after you've first taken the time to discover who and what you really are. In fact, from that point, things become quite spontaneous, natural, effortless even.

However, back to the OP -- on another forum I visit, a poster was noting reports of unusual bird behavior cropping up recently around the internet. I know that one of our canaries who used to sing with great gusto has recently lost his voice. It's kind of sad watching him opening and closing his beak attempting to sing, but only rendering faint clicking noises instead. We all hope it's just a temporary thing, but maybe it represents something more ominous, something that maybe David Wilcock and Ben Fulford could trace back to the mysterious Powers That Be.

Something is happening for sure, but nobody can quite put it into words, just like my canary you might say. Perhaps that's just how it is with everything in general, and conspiracy forum communications in particular. When it comes right down to it, after all is said and done, we are actually in a perpetual state of not knowing. Check it out -- have you really ever known what a thing actually is? Any thing? Not what its name is, but what it really is?

The good news is, if we remain calm and avoid being in conflict with our not knowing (in other words, just letting our not knowing be the case, without trying to change it by adding some temporary knowledge to it and spoiling its pristine transparent quality of absolute innocence), then we can agree with the person who discovered that ignorance is bliss, and so pass our days enjoying the happiness of simply being what we are, just as we are -- gloriously incomprehensible.


Blessings!

Thanks Bob for being a voice of reason. Don't know mind is usually the best refuge for real growth and you have reminded me of how tight my own attachments are. Conflict isn't my usual approach to life, so I'll take your general comments as a good kick up the ass for me.

We humans are perfect as we are. That is why the aliens accept us as we are. Knowing that perfection exists in all things, exactly as they are.

Thanks Bob. :ear:

[Bright Garlick]

Thank you BG for sharing your personal video with Avalon. Let me now share a few words, before taking my physical rest for the night. :)

Everything happening on this earth is the result of thought. Now lets clarify that statement...

This does not mean that everything has been created by thought. It simply means that everything has been created as a result of thought. Every thought of every person who has ever lived has been indelibly recorded in the 'Universal Mind' (or God), which has been moved to action because of it. This Mind attempts to manifest all thought to the person thinking it, and it also attempts to manifest it to all the world.

Our individual and collective thoughts is what creates our reality. The Subconscious Mind, or God, does not recognize suffering or pain or war or famine or disease. Because its 'nature' is non-dualistic, It recognizes only conception and desire, or thought and emotion, and it recognizes them only one way -- by creating them into actuality. Thought is real, physical is the illusion.

Much Love & Wisdom ~ Dan

Good points Dan but I would add that any definition of mind is our limitation.

That being said I like the idea of small mind, big mind. In any triangulation we are as humans both - small mind and big mind, sub conscious and conscious, conscious and supoerconscious - self and god, body and not body, non dual and dual, I and emptiness. Both and separate. Thought is a product of brain, awareness is a product of energy, mind is a product of awareness. All exist and all do not exist. Both at once. Neither negates the other. Attachment to either side of the triangulation causes delusion and suffering.

I also agree with you in a slightly different way. All that we perceive is a projection of mind. Not ultimate reality.

I hope you had a nice nights rest !

Peace,

Bright ;-)

[truthseekerdan]

Thank you BG for sharing your personal video with Avalon. Let me now share a few words, before taking my physical rest for the night. :)

Everything happening on this earth is the result of thought. Now lets clarify that statement...

This does not mean that everything has been created by thought. It simply means that everything has been created as a result of thought. Every thought of every person who has ever lived has been indelibly recorded in the 'Universal Mind' (or God), which has been moved to action because of it. This Mind attempts to manifest all thought to the person thinking it, and it also attempts to manifest it to all the world.

Our individual and collective thoughts is what creates our reality. The Subconscious Mind, or God, does not recognize suffering or pain or war or famine or disease. Because its 'nature' is non-dualistic, It recognizes only conception and desire, or thought and emotion, and it recognizes them only one way -- by creating them into actuality. Thought is real, physical is the illusion.

Much Love & Wisdom ~ Dan

Good points Dan but I would add that any definition of mind is our limitation.

That being said I like the idea of small mind, big mind. In any triangulation we are as humans both - small mind and big mind, sub conscious and conscious, conscious and supoerconscious - self and god, body and not body, non dual and dual, I and emptiness. Both and separate. Thought is a product of brain, awareness is a product of energy, mind is a product of awareness. All exist and all do not exist. Both at once. Neither negates the other. Attachment to either side of the triangulation causes delusion and suffering.

I also agree with you in a slightly different way. All that we perceive is a projection of mind. Not ultimate reality.

I hope you had a nice nights rest !

Peace,

Bright ;-)

Hi BG, I have a feeling that you did not understand my post's core message. It had nothing to do with 'the mind', but the thought and faith.

See how common these quotations are: "Faith can move mountains," "As ye believe, so shall it be done unto you," "Think big, do big." And yet, even though these written revelations are as old as recorded history, the world has blithely gone its way, disregarding them.

Consider the life of Jesus. There can be no doubt but that this enlightened man was preaching to the world of the magnitude of his discovery of Faith. Through revelation, intuition, enlightenment, attunement with the infinite, Jesus knew as perhaps no one before or after him of the unlimited power of Faith. Through it he worked his miracles of healing and spiritual understanding.


Such miracles as the Bible discloses are happening every day of our modern life. A patient suffering with cancer of the throat was informed of a new X-ray machine that would cure his condition. This man could neither read nor write, nor was he informed about any of the instruments or procedures of medical practice. When he first sat down in the doctor's office and received into his mouth a thermometer with which the doctor sought to take his temperature, he believed he was undergoing X-ray treatment. The doctor, alert to the practices of psychology, recognized this, and after leaving the thermometer in the patient's mouth for ten minutes, excused him and told him to return in two days. Three weeks of treatment with a thermometer cured this patient's cancerous condition! Obviously, it wasn't the thermometer that did it. It was Faith!

Namaste

[kersley]

Hi BG.
I think i i know where your coming from now. I will share it with you tomorrow or over the weekend as i'm too tired to go into one right now, need to sleep and be ready for another day of hard work.
Bless..

[another bob]

We humans are perfect as we are.

Greetings, Friend!

The most humble is the most profound. Your family rejoices!

For the benefit of all, let's consider this: if we truly and sincerely allow ourselves to be what we already are, then concepts such as "perfect" are merely something extra we are superimposing on that to which no tag can stick. On the other hand, who can deny the exquisite symmetry of the totality -- it makes the heart just want to squeal with irrepressible delight at the absolute perfection of the universal manifestation rippling out in all directions with no boundary or obstruction or lack of fierce true love! Hey! :thumb:

Blessings!