The Root of All Evil? - The God Delusion

[Grizzom]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4321574955310561251#

The Root of All Evil? - The God Delusion
The God Delusion explores the unproven beliefs that are treated as factual by many religions and the extremes to which some followers have taken them. Dawkins opens the programme by describing the "would-be murderers . . . who want to kill you and me, and themselves, because they're motivated by what they think is the highest ideal." Dawkins argues that "the process of non-thinking called faith" is not a way of understanding the world, but instead stands in fundamental opposition to modern science and the scientific method, and is divisive and dangerous. The Root of All Evil? is a television documentary, written and presented by Richard Dawkins, in which he argues that the world would be better off without religion.





http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8210522903232438954&hl=en&emb=1#

The Root of All Evil? - The Virus of Faith
In The Virus of Faith, Dawkins opines that the moral framework of religions is warped, and argues against the religious indoctrination of children. The title of this episode comes from The Selfish Gene, in which Dawkins discussed the concept of memes. The Root of All Evil? is a television documentary, written and presented by Richard Dawkins, in which he argues that the world would be better off without religion.




http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-206887275399093528&hl=en&emb=1#

A History of God
Based on Karen Armstrong's book, this film examines the concept of God in the three major monotheistic religions from the days of Abraham to modern times. Through analysis of historic and holy texts and incorporation of ancient art and artifacts, the program explores the deity written about in the Bible and the Quran. The evolution and intertwining of various Christian, Jewish and Islamic interpretations of God are also addressed.




http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8059991273314767024&hl=en&emb=1#

The story of God
The Story of God is an epic journey across continents, cultures and eras exploring religious beliefs from their earliest incarnations, through the development of today's major world faiths and the status of religious faith in a scientific age. The series examines the roots of religious beliefs in prehistoric societies and the different ways in which humanity's sense of the divine developed. It looks at the divergence between religions that worship a range of deities and those that represent strict monotheism.




http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-570999831952140220&hl=en&emb=1#

History of Angels
More great videos at: http://www.dark-truth.org | Documentary about the history of angels, and their influence on humankind and society both in the past and in modern times. Includes interviews and information about peoples personal experience with angels, such as spirit guides.



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1406370011028154810#docid=8503156790716142769


The Nature of Existence: God is a prick? :eek: (The narrator says it not me)
This is an "ex nihilo" derivation of existence as the geometric embodiment of a simple integer count. Possible mechanisms are given for the nuclear, weak, electromagnetic and gravitational interactions as well as cosmological observations. Keywords: origin of universe, physics, astronomy, cosmology, constants of nature, electron, proton, theory, mathematics, geometry, space, time, causality, uncertainty, Planck constant, dark matter, dark energy, anti-matter, CPT symmetry, inertia, ufo propulsion, parity, conservation laws, parity, charge conjugation, time reversal symmetry




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[kriya]

Thanks for the post, Grizzom. If it had just been about "The God Delusion" I would have given it the thumbs down, but you have balanced it beautifully with the Karen Armstrong documenatry. Personally i can't stand Richard Dawkins, he is what I would describe as a fundementalist atheist, taking no account of the mystics through the ages who have experienced God or Source in countless ways.

love,


Kriya

[Grizzom]

I didn't much care for Richard Dawkins style either but he does make a few good points.

Thanks for the reply,I myself believe in a creator, but I can't decide if God is a man, woman, man/woman, woman/man or cosmic being we are not wired to conceive?

Be nice if we were born with a owners manual :confused:


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9112899495889928903&hl=en&emb=1

Richard Dawkins Lecture at UC Berkeley

I figured I'd add another video by Dawkins since he chaps so many peoples butt :p

[kriya]

Thanks for the reply,I myself believe in a creator, but I can't decide if God is a man, woman, man/woman, woman/man or cosmic being we are not wired to conceive?


In my opinion, neither male or female, just pure awareness, spirit or source energy. This is the impersonal view of God. Many also have a personal view, Hinduism sees God as the Divine mother, Christians as the father, so its all a matter of perspective. IMHO both views have value, if they bring you closer to the divine.

Love,

Kriya

[Baelsfire]

The Root of All Evil? is a television documentary, written and presented by Richard Dawkins, in which he argues that the world would be better off without religion

I argue the world may be better off without Richard Dawkins

I know what he's all about and it stinks. A reduction into a meaningless nihilistic existence which could justify pretty awful things. Saying that though, organised religions have caused much suffering on the planet - though again that be down to the underpinning materialism of "men" using religion as a smokescreen.

Like Kriya, i would of avoided this topic if it was just about Richard Dawkins, but i will with interest check out the other videos you have posted in a form of balance, thanks (though from the synopsis of each, i fear none explore or represent anything close to my understandings - History of Angels maybe ... i'll check that out first) :)

[RedeZra]

Saying that though, organised religions have caused much suffering on the planet - though again that be down to the underpinning materialism of "men" using religion as a smokescreen.



nice notice

in a materialistic mind everything is up for sale - granny religion soul

[Beren]

In my opinion, neither male or female, just pure awareness, spirit or source energy. This is the impersonal view of God. Many also have a personal view, Hinduism sees God as the Divine mother, Christians as the father, so its all a matter of perspective. IMHO both views have value, if they bring you closer to the divine.

Love,

Kriya

In Father `s realm ,there is no male or female. All is one . Male qualities and Female qualities are united in one being.
We in our essence are like that, just while we are on this earth in physical body we are born with one prime characteristic ,one is male ,other female...

Every man has emotion and every woman has reason.

Tomorrow we will return to our true state- one with Father.
When asked about that ,Jesus stated that in heavenly realm there are no sexes and marrying as we do here. All are spirits and united with Father and Jesus.

[Lost Soul]

From what I understand, the root of all evil is the selfish-self. This motivates some to control others via religion and by creating a religion, you establish parameters for acceptable conduct. Hence, the control mechanism is built in and empowers those who run the religion. The higher conscious individual like Jesus practiced selfless universal love toward mankind. According to what I read, Jesus taught that God and the Kingdom of Heaven was within, not without. That man should strive to contact the God within. By knowing God and by serving God, one will naturally practice selfless universal love (as opposed to serving the selfish-self).

Peace to all.

[truthseekerdan]

There is no 'God Delusion'. God the Great Spirit is everything seen or unseen by the human eyes.
Remember when you look at somebody's face you don't see a delusion, but God...:)

What we consider to be evil is the perversion or distortion of 'good'. Nothing is created bad. We can choose to be bad or evil, by our free will or choice.

What we consider evil is a force which is manifested by those who have temporarily 'lost the way'. Through voluntary education, one uses his free will to return to a positive state of being.

Many people on Earth have a distorted view about what truth really is. Truth is actually not dependent upon our 3D physical world. It is independent from all that is physical, so we cannot see truth. It is simply EVERYTHING THAT IS!!
Truth can be a feeling deep within us. However, feelings can easily be distorted by our limited beliefs.

Love is the answer.

[RedeZra]

there is a Law


as gracious as gravitation

which lifts up those that abide it

and hurls down those that transgress it

as natural as the wind blows


Righteousness


as it is written

in the 2 tablets of stone

[Jonathon]

The root of all evil is the belief in separation. End. The Law is One.

[Scott]

oh what the heck, since everyone is having such a enjoyable time looking in the mirror, i might as well add another reflective surface to gaze upon.

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[realitycorrodes]

I enjoyed the videos posted on the God Delusion. I have not read the book. I thought Dawkins presented a very logical case about religions being a form of mind control. Its not rocket science? I am surprised people so far have eluded to not liking the guy? I did not realise it - naive me - but it is becoming obvious that this forum is riddled with mind control victims. Is it not enough that they infect innocent people on sites predominantly for christians and other "Guru/Saviour" sites specificlly for that purpose. I find it fascinating that the buzz these fanatics get is in the conversion of others to their way of thinking! Crazy - I guess its the power pleasure pathway! Personally I see no reason why people can't approach consciousness beyond the physical scientifically...and I mean really scientifically not the religious version of "scientific"! lol ( For those with eyes to hear and ears to see - they will know!) Mind control victims are quite fascinating from the perspective that they are convinced they are not being mind controlled. Saying that I will now admit that I am nothing more than the product of mind control myself! The truth is a beautiful thing...if we can get over the addiction of power! Oh and I can't help notice the continued "pretending to know" what is the agenda on a spiritual level in regard to this physical experience, without objective evidence - and always backed up by the wonderfully authentic pure "singular subjective experience" of themselves lol. The sooner we get off the ego trip of pretending to know, then we can start moving in the correct direction from the little we really do know! As if we really know for sure that the law is one? And that we will merge with the "Father"????? Don't get me wrong I am interested in such suggestions as theories and how they stand up to evidence...but what gets me is the language choosen by those who talk about such theories is always phrased in a way that leads one to believe that they have "absolute knowledge on the subject" as if they have such direct experience they can now demonstrate it scientifically for all to see. lol The games we play! Its rather similiar to the way most fanatics of the major relgions talk. Don't we think?

Why do very few people put forward the proposition that the human race is a bad design and the creator (if one exists) may not like the design and may toss it in the bin. I mean I have created pieces of art and thought "this is not really any good"....and guess what I hit the delete button and start again....no big deal! Does'nt appeal to those "power hungry egos!" lol

Oh and I have direct experience of consciousness beyond the physical myself...but I prefer to stay open minded and scientific about it....the last thing the world needs is another megalamaniac pretending they are a messiah because they experienced something without their body. Its not rocket science! lol

[Baelsfire]

Hi realitycorrodes. You make some interesting points. Im not sure how much may be relevant to my comments but i would like to provide an example of my gripe with Dawkins.

Here is an article from Rupert Sheldrake, an academic, and researcher into Telepathy and morphic resonance.

http://www.sheldrake.org/D&C/controversies/Dawkins.html

Dawkins is not a skeptic in the true meaning of the word at all. Numerous times he has dismissed evidence for things such as telepathy without even looking at it because it did not fit into his agenda. He is what you would call a pseudo-skeptic (http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/)

If you follow his train of thought to its conclusion what you are left with is an idea that consciousness is just a meaningless by-product of biochemical mutations, purely accidental and as such a falsehood experience. His implication is that all we are is an organic machine with the illusion of self awareness.. He ignores such stuff as non-locality and quantum entanglement, the idea of a higher-self and any form of existence beyond the flesh. Or at least, thats the agenda he puts forth. Thats what he wants the public to believe. And why? Think what the implications of this are and what it means to civilisation and /any/ form of spirituality beyond enslavement to materialistic existence discounting any experience as meaningless.

[Lost Soul]

Johnathan said it better than I.

[RedeZra]

Why do very few people put forward the proposition that the human race is a bad design and the creator (if one exists) may not like the design and may toss it in the bin. I mean I have created pieces of art and thought "this is not really any good"....and guess what I hit the delete button and start again....no big deal! Does'nt appeal to those "power hungry egos!" lol



the human shape is a pretty nice design as is most forms of matter

in fact it is so delicate that we fall in love with it

and invest all our interest to it


so the senses are seduced by this diverse show of shapes

and we loose touch with the unified field of spirit

which animates all the forms and answers every name


until we want to make a name for ourselves

and impress our thoughts upon the world of forms

which is perfectly alright when we play by the rules of righteousness


if we want a beautiful life experience

we better abide the laws of the universe

[realitycorrodes]

Thanks Baelsfire,

The article you put as a link was very informative. I see it is possible that Dawkins is not the seeker of truth...but maybe a biased proponent of a hidden agenda.

I have to say I am open to the concept of humans being "organic machines with the illusion of self awareness".

The movie "The thirteenth floor" gives an interesting angle to such things.

I am not saying it is the case but I sometimes feel there is no actual free will! - It seems equally possible to me. I think I could explain it but it would tax my early morning imagination too much.

I just state it so that others who feel that this is a possiblity know that they are not alone in such thoughts.

Also, I guess in a way I have of late had a leaning in that direction (there is no free will!), (it may change tomorrow though!) and in regard to feeling like

"what it means to civilisation and /any/ form of spirituality beyond enslavement to materialistic existence discounting any experience as meaningless."

I can say for me that I still try to live my life with impeccable integrity (in search of truth) and I still try to squeeze as much joy out of the experience (and give as much joy to those I meet) as I can even though "I" may not have a future. I guess some respond differently than others. Who can explain it? But I know what you mean....some people could respond negatively and perhaps become even more (mind control) malleable than they already are with such a belief.

Red Zebra my friend I am dyslexic! What you have written strikes me as "mind control" regurgitation, old religous mind control. For me what you have written is not original or particularly creative for I see it oozing out of the mouth of most "regurgitators". No offense intended! TAke it or leave it.

HOwever, I would like to tempt you to think for yourself or at least ask yourself "Are these thoughts my own or are they someone else's?"

Wishing you great peace and apolgises if I have offended... I could of course be entirely wrong about everything I have written.

[Menkaure]

I do not know what God is but I DO know what God is not. He is not the Judeo-christian "Old man in a robe and sandals watching your every move so he can smite you to hell for thinking bad thoughts." But He LOVES you! What a joke. Just listen to George Carlin when he talks about religion/god and you'll have my opinion of what he is not.
There IS a Supreme Creator but how can we know Him? Take the word of a former nazi who is taking time out of his busy calendar from butt ****ing young boys to TELL you what to believe?? I think not. Organized religion makes me sick!
I can only follow my heart and be a good person and know that the Supreme Creator is there to lift me up if I fall.

[RedeZra]

What you have written strikes me as "mind control" regurgitation, old religous mind control. For me what you have written is not original or particularly creative for I see it oozing out of the mouth of most "regurgitators".


Im just saying

there is a consciousness which encompasses everything

like the undercurrent of electricity which lights up all the bulbs

some more bright than others

and in accordance with natural laws

[realitycorrodes]

RedeZra, my apologies. I feel I was a little unfair in my conclusions. There is for me alot of truth from my perspective in what you are saying but as with everything here it sometimes is subtly mixed with almost wordless subtlies that have yet to be proven true. My intuition alerts me to things sometimes which make no sense to my conscious mind unless I go through the relatively lengthy task of making the information linear so my conscious mind can understand. At some point I decided to take the risk of listening to the intuition. I know it is a poor excuse that many new agers use to justify complete and utter nonsense. I like to take each persons use of their intuition on a purely individual basis. Some people appear to have it working in resonance with mine and others not at all. Whose intuition is right or wrong I guess I would be egotistical to say. lol

For the record...what do we really mean when we say something is beautiful? I would agree many things in the world are wondrous to me as well...however the foundation to this particular creation is rooted in the law that one being most kill another to exist here...this I find profoundly unbeautiful...it could just be me though!lol

I would tend to see consciousnes in everything as well ....but I ponder the level of autonomy of that consciousnes at particular levels of experience. Personally, the concept of learning anything worthwhile in this experience does not resonant with me as nothing seems really worth learning in this experience, especially in the light of the suffering that most people tend to put themselves through while here. I myself don't concern myself with words like God - I don't care to know what the creator is - if one "centralised creator" exists I am sure it will make its presence known if it so wants - it would seem to me to be presumptious of me to deem myself important enough to attract its attention.lol Just because it appears as though consciousness is underpinning the experience does not necessarily make me pine for or associate this dynamic of the experience with a loving creator. Its just another intriguing part of the puzzle...I sense it is still far removed from getting close to what a "centralised creator" may be - for me that is.

Peace, apologies...some mornings I guess I just like to stir the pot.

RedeZra your equanitmity I find admirable.

[RedeZra]

Peace, apologies...some mornings I guess I just like to stir the pot.


:peace: sometimes I like to stir sting and shake as well

oh and it's unlawful to murder

the encompassing compassionate consciousness sees what is done in secret