The Control Paradigm Workshops.

[Lord Sidious]

Greetings avalonuggets.
On the attached PDF, you will find the dates and teaser for the upcoming workshops.
Venues are still TBA, donations are $200 for Australia and 100 Euro for Dublin.
I would like to get a show of hands if I could of how many of you are coming and to which one.
Also, if you are going to bring others, how many.
Thanks

[nearing]

I wish I could!

[Lord Sidious]

I wish I could!

All are welcome in Dublin, even the English! :p

[aranuk]

Surely not that lot as well Lord? :eek::p

Stan

[Lord Sidious]

Surely not that lot as well Lord? :eek::p

Stan

Someone has to make them welcome. ;)

[aranuk]

Oh well then. If you must. :eek::p

Stan

My friend told me the other day that the queen has not got a drop of English blood in her veins. This came as a surprise to me but my friend has sudied the royal families for many years. So in a nutshell the English are TOTALLY innocent and off the hook for any misdemeanors she may or may have committed. Shti her mother was Scottish.

[Lord Sidious]

Oh well then. If you must. :eek::p

Stan

My friend told me the other day that the queen has not got a drop of English blood in her veins. This came as a surprise to me but my friend has sudied the royal families for many years. So in a nutshell the English are TOTALLY innocent and off the hook for any misdemeanors she may or may have committed. Shti her mother was Scottish.

They are internationalists anyways.

[aranuk]

of course!

[Lord Sidious]

Ok, back to topic, I need numbers so I know what size venues to book.

[Lord Sidious]

Well, after some revision, the presentation is now almost 400 slides.
Aka, bump.

[Wockey]

Hey there Lord Sidious - MEL weekend is no good for me I'm booked out "on a bucks weekend" not sure if i will survive intact either !! sorry mate.

[Lord Sidious]

Hey there Lord Sidious - MEL weekend is no good for me I'm booked out "on a bucks weekend" not sure if i will survive intact either !! sorry mate.

How rude!
Getting married when I am going through town.
Well, you are Victorian after all. :p

[seko]

Best of luck with your workshops Lord Sid.

You have taken the right path in sharing your knowledge.

:rockon:

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted by Lord Sidious:

"donations are $200 for Australia and 100 Euro for Dublin."-

Aren't 'donation' suppose be left to the discretion of the attendants? Maybe 'registration fee',will be a better term for it?


Best,

~*&^~*

Limor

[Lord Sidious]

Originally posted by Lord Sidious:

"donations are $200 for Australia and 100 Euro for Dublin."-

Aren't 'donation' suppose be left to the discretion of the attendants? Maybe 'registration fee',will be a better term for it.


Best,

~*&^~*

Limor

Nope, a donation can be an amount up to the donator or it can be one thats value is set by the acceptor for a particular purpose.
Seeing as I have to cover air fares, venue hire, audio/visual hire, the recordings being transferred to dvd, accomodation and food, I don't want attendees giving so little that it costs me money that I don't have.
Plus, I would be negligent to the foundation if I did so.
Thanks for the question.

[Wockey]

Hey there Lord Sidious - MEL weekend is no good for me I'm booked out "on a bucks weekend" not sure if i will survive intact either !! sorry mate.

How rude!
Getting married when I am going through town.
Well, you are Victorian after all. :p

Alas its not me getting married I'm the best man... been there done that!

next time your in town - let me know - even for a beer or two.

[Lord Sidious]

Here is the link to the page where you can listen to me talking about a lot of stuff including the workshops.
http://tnsradio.weebly.com/scot-sov.html
Look for my avatar on the left.
Unfortunately, you can't download it, you have to listen to it from the page.

[DoubleHelix]

Cheers Rob, listening now.

[Limor Wolf]

Nope, a donation can be an amount up to the donator or it can be one thats value is set by the acceptor for a particular purpose.
Seeing as I have to cover air fares, venue hire, audio/visual hire, the recordings being transferred to dvd, accomodation and food, I don't want attendees giving so little that it costs me money that I don't have.
Plus, I would be negligent to the foundation if I did so.
Thanks for the question.

I totaly agree that all your costs should be covered especially when supplying with such an important information.I dont tend to agree on using the term 'donation' - wich means leaving the amount to the best judgment of the donator and not to the participator. However,registration fee might be more reasonable term here.

Semantics,you know :p

Good Luck

[Lord Sidious]

I totaly agree that all your costs should be covered especially when supplying with such an important information.I dont tend to agree on using the term 'donation' - wich means leaving the amount to the best judgment of the donator and not to the participator. However,registration fee might be more reasonable term here.

Semantics,you know :p

Good Luck

There are legal reasons for using the term donation.
Thanks for the wishes Limor.

[Limor Wolf]

I understand.'Donations' it is than

[Heyoka_11]

Hey Rob,

Perfect timing for Perth. I'm in!

Just the one unfortunately, though I will attempt to find others.

Cheers,

Tony.

PS. Let me know if you need a roadie, as I would gladly assist.

[Lord Sidious]

Hey Rob,

Perfect timing for Perth. I'm in!

Just the one unfortunately, though I will attempt to find others.

Cheers,

Tony.

PS. Let me know if you need a roadie, as I would gladly assist.

See you there nugget.
Don't need a roadie, but might need someone to clean up the mess from the ol carrot deal. ;)

[Heyoka_11]

Hey Rob,

Perfect timing for Perth. I'm in!

Just the one unfortunately, though I will attempt to find others.

Cheers,

Tony.

PS. Let me know if you need a roadie, as I would gladly assist.

See you there nugget.
Don't need a roadie, but might need someone to clean up the mess from the ol carrot deal. ;)

Cleaning up the carrot mess should be easy for me. By the end of the weekend, most of them may well be piled up around me anyway! :p

[GCS1103]

Rob-

I am looking forward to attending your seminar. I will be bringing 3 other people with me. Beware, two of them are lawyers.;)

[jcocks]

I'd love to go, but don't have the money as I'm unemployed and feeding a family of five. Any chance an arrangement can be made for peoples like me? PM me if you wish...

[Lord Sidious]

Looks like I am wasting my time here.
I will bump this anyways, but this looks like it is going to be canned at this point.

[Marianne]

Have you considered getting a count for DVD's that would be sold? You could take pre-orders to help allay the cost of producing them.

[Lord Sidious]

Have you considered getting a count for DVD's that would be sold? You could take pre-orders to help allay the cost of producing them.

I appreciate the idea and input, but if there aren't any workshops, then the dvds won't be made either.
And I don't like doing preorders in case I can't complete the plan, like it seems is happening with this.

[Marianne]

But if you did even one workshop, you could make a DVD. Maybe you could get a show of hands for interest in a DVD, without a pre-order. You might be surprised at how many would be able to do that, but couldn't manage the workshop.

Your work is so important--don't give up!

[markoid]

Unfortunately :note:money's too tight to mention:note: for me also.

[Heyoka_11]

Looks like I am wasting my time here.
I will bump this anyways, but this looks like it is going to be canned at this point.

Don't be too quick to lose faith here Rob.

All your prior threads to do with the workshops have included "Avalon Nuggets" in the title. This one does not, and I for one missed it because of this. A simple change of title, to "Avalonnugget Workshops" may well help.

Or better than that would be to bump each individual thread by posting the anticipated dates.

Use The Force Rob!

[Lord Sidious]

Looks like I am wasting my time here.
I will bump this anyways, but this looks like it is going to be canned at this point.

Don't be too quick to lose faith here Rob.

All your prior threads to do with the workshops have included "Avalon Nuggets" in the title. This one does not, and I for one missed it because of this. A simple change of title, to "Avalonnugget Workshops" may well help.

Or better than that would be to bump each individual thread by posting the anticipated dates.

Use The Force Rob!

Thanks for the encouragement.
I will sort out some bumping of the other threads in a while.

[ktlight]

I cannot commit at this moment, but I am interested in Dublin. If you could pencil me in, I will know better in a week's time.

[Ruby L.]

Rob, the reason I didn't respond earlier, re Dublin, is because I couldn't give you a definite answer.
I still can't give you one, which doesn't help you, but it doesn't mean that I'm uninterested-- just tied up with things that stops an outright yes answer, right now.

Your frustration is understandable; in order to set up the workshops, you need definite numbers to book the venue, make travel plans, and all that other fun 3D stuff.

I'm bumping this thread. Meanwhile, please help yourself to this, as a moment's refreshment and breather.
Everybody is welcome!


http://aliyahlift.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/mint_tea.jpg

[Tarka the Duck]

Hello LS! Just got back home to a reliable internet connection, and read your flyer - thanks for this offer of a seminar ;)
As with everyone else, money is tight at the moment: we would both love to come to the Dublin ones, but it may only be possible for one of us.
When you have more info about location, that will help our decision as we can then price up hotels, transport etc.
Thank you again!
Kathie

[noxon medem]

I wish I could!

All are welcome in Dublin, even the English! :p

- " tell em The Welsh said So " .
( old british saying , pre anglosaxon )

So , how would the welsh say it ?
Only the welsh know, I guess ,
- and
anyone listening to them ....

some links related :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_language

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/welsh.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_people

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh

"They" got "us" by the language and idea ..
( the meme is strong in you , my son ..).

:)

:fish2:

[the trojan]

what I find interesting Sid is that some people seem to go and see an act they have already seen.
For example,say someone does their presentation and its on youtube,the next time they tour they do the same presentation,but
maybe add a wee hook,eg,you sent out the swastika, design and meaning question ,and inferred that you would reveal all ,I take it,at your presentation.
Another good example would be the awake and aware recently,I really dont think anyone appearing there was presenting anything they have not presented before except for a wee nugget(sorry for the pun) at the end.
Unfortunately,some of those were seasoned veterans as they say in showbiz.and already have a fan base.
I downloaded your flyer,it looks fine and Im sure your presentation does what it says on the tin,but if you dont build up your profile,no one will come and pay a large sum to see you.
Im not criticising the amount suggested,its probably fair enough for a weekends worth of info,But you are still an unknown commodity.

two suggestions I would like to make would be,

a.Put on and record, closer to home and at a reduced donation,(obviously ,if your expenses are not as fierce)
Then upload to the web and promote here at avalon and elsewhere.
b.Record a shorter presentation and do the above.
its the same old thing for bands starting out,if they dont have the promotional backing and decide to fly out and do shows internationally,they get nowhere.
I had a friend who did not build up an ever increasing circle but opted instead to pop over to brazil for a show and come back again and then one night in portugal.....
Appreciative audiences for one night but no build up .
Im sure there are many talented people on here who would help you with a video,in terms of opening and closing titles and editing and the like.
Use the web as your voice ,it is after all where your persona resides and is the most accessible promotional tool in the history of media.

good luck with your endeavour.

[noxon medem]

On a trip to Malta in the late 1980s I found a nice inn close to Valetta
- called " The Welshman " pub .

I remember he had a dragon image as an emblem and on
the coasters of his bar .
Do not now remember the keepers name , but he told me he worked
seasons in Malta and in north Africa , being a chef ( field cook most often )
Also in the desert and in military camps .

After some weeks of good aquaintance , just before going back to Norway, we
traded my whoolen (nordic) sailorsjacked for a litre of Glenmorangie whiskey,
( and a couple of hundred kroners in cash , much more than I bought it for,
allready secondhand ... )

ah , memories .....

and
Malta is a fascinating and beautiful place ,
so anchored in itself and cultural history
full of invation and timely importance .
a Visit recommended , if not allready ....

:fish2:

..
-

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hi Rob ...

I wish I could find the time ...

Perhaps you should do some vids and post them here and youtube ect... I'm sure we could get the word around...

Anyway if you do manage to organize these venues I wish you the best of luck, and if you're passing sunny hampshire pop into my place and I'll treat you to a beer and a game of pool...

Best of luck my friend.

viking

[Lord Sidious]

Hi Rob ...

I wish I could find the time ...

Perhaps you should do some vids and post them here and youtube ect... I'm sure we could get the word around...

Anyway if you do manage to organize these venues I wish you the best of luck, and if you're passing sunny hampshire pop into my place and I'll treat you to a beer and a game of pool...

Best of luck my friend.

viking

Thanks for that, I like pool.
Not so much on alcohol anymore, a cup of tea would suit me down to the ground.

[Truthseeker85]

Im able to attend the brisbane session. If you need any help let me know LS.

Peace

Jamie

[pharoah21]

I shall be there m'lord, only because of you of course.

[finally there!!!]

I'll be there for the Dublin one..I wouldn't miss for the world.And ill bring a packed lunch for you so don't worry about the food thing..It might be hard to get my hands on Marmite though;)

[ktlight]

Hello LS! Just got back home to a reliable internet connection, and read your flyer - thanks for this offer of a seminar ;)
As with everyone else, money is tight at the moment: we would both love to come to the Dublin ones, but it may only be possible for one of us.
When you have more info about location, that will help our decision as we can then price up hotels, transport etc.
Thank you again!
Kathie

Hi Kathie
Premier Inn costs around 29 euros for one night. A bus goes into Dublin City.

[D-Day]

Hey Rob,

Count me in for the Brisbane workshop.
Let me know if there's anything I can do to help.
Looking forward to it...

Dan

[Tarka the Duck]

Hello LS! Just got back home to a reliable internet connection, and read your flyer - thanks for this offer of a seminar ;)
As with everyone else, money is tight at the moment: we would both love to come to the Dublin ones, but it may only be possible for one of us.
When you have more info about location, that will help our decision as we can then price up hotels, transport etc.
Thank you again!
Kathie

Hi Kathie
Premier Inn costs around 29 euros for one night. A bus goes into Dublin City.

Thank for that, KT! Sounds good!

[Lord Sidious]

I'll be there for the Dublin one..I wouldn't miss for the world.And ill bring a packed lunch for you so don't worry about the food thing..It might be hard to get my hands on Marmite though;)

Marmite? I am not English, ya nugget.
Over here in the prison colonies, we eat Vegemite, much better than that marmite communism.

Dublin is looking dodgy right now. The guy I was relying on to help me isn't doing a thing.


What you nuggets can do to help, is email that flyer around.
I would appreciate that.
And, if you intend coming, forward your details to shatteringillusions@hushmail.com
I will need a name, phone number, which workshop you are attending and of course I will have your email adress.
That way I can keep track of the numbers more professionally.

[the trojan]

a wee bit of momentum building up there Sid...cool.

[Anno]

Hi Sid, brave move indeed. I have a couple of questions:

What made you decided to make the move from giving info away for free on the forum to selling it at workshops?

Do you think it will affect your ability to post here? Particularly, will you have to start censoring yourself on here so you don't give away for free, info you charge for in workshops/books/dvds etc?

I wish you well with it, not many would have the cajones.

[Lord Sidious]

Hi Sid, brave move indeed. I have a couple of questions:

What made you decided to make the move from giving info away for free on the forum to selling it at workshops?

Do you think it will affect your ability to post here? Particularly, will you have to start censoring yourself on here so you don't give away for free, info you charge for in workshops/books/dvds etc?

I wish you well with it, not many would have the cajones.

Why is it brave?
It is just a workshop, I am not under pain of death or anything.
The reason I decided to do it this way is I can join all the dots over a weekend, whereas here, in text, it is much harder.
I am having it recorded for dvd as well.
I won't want to give too much away beforehand, this is true, but I am not going to deny anything either.

[Anno]

I think it's brave because sharing info anonymously on a forum is relatively safe, even if you are giving away big secrets. You can always bin the account and vanish.
When you step out in to the light of day you make yourself known to all sides. It's like painting a big target on yourself and most people here wouldn't dare do that.
It's not just the obvious PTB hitmen that I'm thinking about here but also the groupies of other 'gurus' that may get jealous and see you as a commercial threat to their leader. If anything, they're far worse.

I would have liked to have come but I don't have a passport so can't leave the country. I look forward to reading the feedback on here though.

[Lord Sidious]

I think it's brave because sharing info anonymously on a forum is relatively safe, even if you are giving away big secrets. You can always bin the account and vanish.
When you step out in to the light of day you make yourself known to all sides. It's like painting a big target on yourself and most people here wouldn't dare do that.
It's not just the obvious PTB hitmen that I'm thinking about here but also the groupies of other 'gurus' that may get jealous and see you as a commercial threat to their leader. If anything, they're far worse.

I would have liked to have come but I don't have a passport so can't leave the country. I look forward to reading the feedback on here though.

Oh, that.
Most people fear losing their anonymity, yet when you are known, it is very liberating.
Plus, I like the system to know what I am doing.
Noisy wheel theory you see.

[RMorgan]

Hey Sid,

I wish I could go! It will be awesome, for sure!

By the way, aren´t you the Judas Priest singer, are you?? :)

Cheers,

Raf.

[Guest]

I think it's brave because sharing info anonymously on a forum is relatively safe, even if you are giving away big secrets. You can always bin the account and vanish.
When you step out in to the light of day you make yourself known to all sides. It's like painting a big target on yourself and most people here wouldn't dare do that.
It's not just the obvious PTB hitmen that I'm thinking about here but also the groupies of other 'gurus' that may get jealous and see you as a commercial threat to their leader. If anything, they're far worse.

I would have liked to have come but I don't have a passport so can't leave the country. I look forward to reading the feedback on here though.

Oh, that.
Most people fear losing their anonymity, yet when you are known, it is very liberating.
Plus, I like the system to know what I am doing.
Noisy wheel theory you see.

I would like to say and have a feeling that Lord Sidious and the people joining the workshops will be very protected from anything Dark or any "outside influences." :peace:

Nora

we are all related

[Lord Sidious]

Hey Sid,

I wish I could go! It will be awesome, for sure!

By the way, aren´t you the Judas Priest singer, are you?? :)

Cheers,

Raf.

Nope, but I have met him and the rest of the band too.
Funny enough, that is a little anecdote I am going to tell at the workshop. :p
It is very amusing.

[Lord Sidious]

You can circulate this around too, if you please.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Shattering-Illusions/298425436841224?ref=ts

[Star1111]

Looks like I am wasting my time here.
I will bump this anyways, but this looks like it is going to be canned at this point.


Don't be too quick to lose faith here Rob.

All your prior threads to do with the workshops have included "Avalon Nuggets" in the title. This one does not, and I for one missed it because of this. A simple change of title, to "Avalonnugget Workshops" may well help.

Or better than that would be to bump each individual thread by posting the anticipated dates.

Use The Force Rob!


I missed this too Lord Sid.
Don't give up particularly for the Eire conference!

[Lord Sidious]

Star, sorry to say, this isn't going to happen.

[Star1111]

Star, sorry to say, this isn't going to happen.



Oh NO!
Is there anything I can do to help you make this happen?

[Lord Sidious]

Not at this point Star, sorry.

[Christine roby]

Were and when in Sydney to lord sodious

[SHAPE]

Hi Rob

Is the Perth workshop still on ?

Trying to free up that wekend so I can make it mate. When do you need to know numbers ?

Jose

[Lord Sidious]

I don't have numbers to proceed anywhere.
I have asked all those interested to email me at the address on the flyer.
So far, if I added all the numbers up, I wouldn't even be able to cover venue hire for Perth, let alone anywhere else.
So, if you guys want me to do this, you better pull your fingers out and get the emails in as I am going to can the lot on the coming Monday if I don't get numbers by then.
Sorry, but I can't use what little money I still have to book venues and then get stuck.

[Curt]

Lord Sid,

Just had a look at the flyer and am not entirely clear on what will be presented. I am left feeling that it will be interesting, but not specifically what will be covered, what new angle it will be covered from, what new light will be shed, and therefore how it will be different from other info available. I know for a fact from reading your posts and from brief interactions that your presentation will be far better than this flyer suggests. I'm sure the people on here who really know you will look past this in many cases, but for us rank newbies and relative newbies it's hard to justify shelling out hundreds of pounds without a clear idea what we'd be in store for. IMHO. Maybe take a second crack at putting together the promo for it.

[Lord Sidious]

Lord Sid,

Just had a look at the flyer and am not entirely clear on what will be presented. I am left feeling that it will be interesting, but not specifically what will be covered, what new angle it will be covered from, what new light will be shed, and therefore how it will be different from other info available. I know for a fact from reading your posts and from brief interactions that your presentation will be far better than this flyer suggests. I'm sure the people on here who really know you will look past this in many cases, but for us rank newbies and relative newbies it's hard to justify shelling out hundreds of pounds without a clear idea what we'd be in store for. IMHO. Maybe take a second crack at putting together the promo for it.

Yeah, you are right.
I was thinking about that myself.
I got told that 100 euros is steep for a weekend workshop, which I find hard to believe.

[aranuk]

Rob I find that hard to believe too! Do a wee bit more advertising perhaps. Not enough people know about it. I don't think it's the cost of the workshop maybe the travel costs. Most people on UK mainland would have to fly and book a room for a night. The best selling point in my mind is the workshop and your presentation of your ideas about the stuff you listed. Perhaps concentrate on one in Perth and get good quality video which you can distribute. Good things sometimes take a wee bit of time.
Don't give up on a great idea Rob.

Stan

[Curt]

Lord Sid,

Just had a look at the flyer and am not entirely clear on what will be presented. I am left feeling that it will be interesting, but not specifically what will be covered, what new angle it will be covered from, what new light will be shed, and therefore how it will be different from other info available. I know for a fact from reading your posts and from brief interactions that your presentation will be far better than this flyer suggests. I'm sure the people on here who really know you will look past this in many cases, but for us rank newbies and relative newbies it's hard to justify shelling out hundreds of pounds without a clear idea what we'd be in store for. IMHO. Maybe take a second crack at putting together the promo for it.

Yeah, you are right.
I was thinking about that myself.
I got told that 100 euros is steep for a weekend workshop, which I find hard to believe.

100 Euro isn't so steep, but it might be tricky for some at the minute given how things are. Perhaps the cost of travel, (even car travel) and hotel are also weighing into the decision. Maybe there's some way to keep those costs down by setting up ride shares, and pointing people in the right direction for affordable options, etc. Either way, I echo what others have said and would encourage you to find a way......For a start, at least keep the bookings where you've got a dozen or so people and just scale down the venue. Have people bring food. It might actually be kind of nice. More like dinner at the professor's house than seeing him lecture at the front of a 200 person auditorium with the microphone. It would be much better for participants if they were able to get more face time anyway. I for one wouldn't bother going to a huge David Icke arena show, even though I think he'd be great to speak with one on one.

[Siberia9]

Well I just caught it, my guess is Im not the only one that didn't know about it. Maybe you could jump in with Bill Ryan with one of his deals? He gets the front page here ya know. I cant see that he would push you off with as much noise as you make around here. It cant hurt to ask, Hell your the glue over here if you ask me. Just say'n...

[Star1111]

Try again Lord Sid with a special Nuggety heading on a new thread
Give dates by when you need people to respond and to COMMIT
Pin 'em down (in the nicest possible way)
Then you'll know for sure!
Just trying to assist
Much LOVE

[buckminster fuller]

all this sounds really capitalist...:) what is the need for money...? why not get people to come and visit you where you live, organize workshops over the net, start with people in your area..?

what about changing the world for real ?

[fox.mulder]

Dear Lord,

You know for a person to come out of nowhere and expect a world tour to eventuate is possibly a bit wishful. However after following this thread and "The Control Paradigm" i can only offer these thoughts,

(1) Yes $200 for a ticket is too expensive. You just need to accept that. I thought Davids Ickes ticket was expensive and it was less than half yours. The average person here seems to be short of cash. Even you yourself have stated this.

(2) Why not try a video conference kind of thing. Maybe even stickam? It doesnt have to be a full workshop but you have to start somewhere.

(3) I really hope you have something original in your presentation and not a re run of alien/annuaki artifacts in iraq and then go blame the bloodlines (ie rothchilds) for everything.

Amen

[DoubleHelix]

all this sounds really capitalist...:) what is the need for money...? why not get people to come and visit you where you live, organize workshops over the net, start with people in your area..?

what about changing the world for real ?

The money aspect is almost entirely to cover the costs of being able to host such events (airfares, accommodation, etc), without sufficient funds the entire tour becomes jeopardised!

I do agree with the local part though, maybe focus solely on the Perth event, film the workshop, edit a video showcasing what it's all about, and then plan the next steps.

A few more radio interviews to get your name out wouldn't go astray too!

All the best with your endeavours Rob, It would be a shame to see your talents go to waste.

[Star1111]

all this sounds really capitalist...:) what is the need for money...? why not get people to come and visit you where you live, organize workshops over the net, start with people in your area..?

what about changing the world for real ?

Not everyone lives in Auz Buckminster Fuller!
I don't think Lord Sid is being a capitalist at all - he's simply trying to help in spreading what could be (and I'm sure will be) illuminating information.
Organizing web seminars is a good idea though .......

[buckminster fuller]

well, everyone maybe should start to think in terms of "system D", where we don't need to burn fuel, nor give money away when it is not an absolute necessity. Better give your money to people in the need really... 200 pounds is a lot of money. Far too much for what LS has to offer if you ask me.

[treeman]

Hello Lord Sidious,

One (1) definite for Dublin either 19th or 20th November...Better 19th Nov,
If you require a pair of hands as well to carry out any donkey work then just give
the nod...also I have tools if your require or think of anything that you are short of.

Regards.

[Lord Sidious]

all this sounds really capitalist...:) what is the need for money...? why not get people to come and visit you where you live, organize workshops over the net, start with people in your area..?

what about changing the world for real ?

See, there is this deal called retail.
They have this strange belief that they need this ''currency'' as a trade for their products, food especially.
Plus, with more resources, I can then do more projects to help more people.
Why post crap on my thread?
Go and annoy someone else with your utopian dreams.


Dear Lord,

You know for a person to come out of nowhere and expect a world tour to eventuate is possibly a bit wishful. However after following this thread and "The Control Paradigm" i can only offer these thoughts,

(1) Yes $200 for a ticket is too expensive. You just need to accept that. I thought Davids Ickes ticket was expensive and it was less than half yours. The average person here seems to be short of cash. Even you yourself have stated this.

(2) Why not try a video conference kind of thing. Maybe even stickam? It doesnt have to be a full workshop but you have to start somewhere.

(3) I really hope you have something original in your presentation and not a re run of alien/annuaki artifacts in iraq and then go blame the bloodlines (ie rothchilds) for everything.

Amen

See, here we go, someone talking more crap.
For one thing, this is less than most people ask for when they do a whole weekend workshop.
And Icke is for one day, yet this is two.
And what do you mean original? You have no idea what I am on about, so that is just a stupid comment.


If you guys aren't interested, please just leave my thread alone.
Thanks


well, everyone maybe should start to think in terms of "system D", where we don't need to burn fuel, nor give money away when it is not an absolute necessity. Better give your money to people in the need really... 200 pounds is a lot of money. Far too much for what LS has to offer if you ask me.

Your opinion is worth less than zero.
For two main reasons.
One, is that it isn't pounds, it is Australian dollars, that is how much attention you paid.
Secondly is that you don't even know what I have to offer.
I am putting myself out there to try and help sort this system out.
What are you doing other than typing on an internet forum?
Just leave the thread please, before we get into some crap back and forth.


Hello Lord Sidious,

One (1) definite for Dublin either 19th or 20th November...Better 19th Nov,
If you require a pair of hands as well to carry out any donkey work then just give
the nod...also I have tools if your require or think of anything that you are short of.

Regards.

Thanks for that, but Dublin looks like it is canned.
This is a whole weekend event as well.

[treeman]

Sorry, for my misunderstanding,
...than if things were to turn around, I'd definitely make it for the
duration of two days and in saying that EUR100 for two days is quite reasonable eg. Some three hour
seminars in London fetch GBP30...then its a matter of whether people have the money or not BUT not the arguement
for being reasonable...excuse me don't buy that!

Hope the agro is like water off a ducks back...GOOD LUCK and if you do come to the EC then I'll do my very best...
Take care.

[buckminster fuller]

where's this book you wrote ..? credentials..? researches..? what makes your opinion of value compared to others ? why not share your findings over here.. on this forum where you are the top poster, and where it would benefit more people..? I take it your info is organized since you want to deliver it through a workshop, why not publish your notes? How does it relate to this anarchy ideology of yours ?

if you don't like being asked questions, this forum might not be the place for this ..?

as for me being a utopian.. we all are today, anyway, living in a utopian society... you not less than others.. I am an activist, yet I'm not asking dineros from people...

not looking for a fight, just trying to get people to think for themselves before they swallow others speculative findings, having to pay for that. You want to help people ? Teach them how to make researches for themselves. What they will find themselves will be worth 10 times what you will give them as straight, pre-digested information.

peace out

[Lord Sidious]

where's this book you wrote ..? credentials..? researches..? what makes your opinion of value compared to others ? why not share your findings over here.. on this forum where you are the top poster, and where it would benefit more people..? I take it your info is organized since you want to deliver it through a workshop, why not publish your notes? How does it relate to this anarchy ideology of yours ?

if you don't like being asked questions, this forum might not be the place for this ..?

as for me being a utopian.. we all are today, anyway, living in a utopian society... you not less than others.. I am an activist, yet I'm not asking dineros from people...

not looking for a fight, just trying to get people to think for themselves before they swallow others speculative findings, having to pay for that. You want to help people ? Teach them how to make researches for themselves. What they will find themselves will be worth 10 times what you will give them as straight, pre-digested information.

peace out

Who said I am an anarchist?
And you weren't asking questions, you were and are trolling, bug off, ok?
And I am involved in a world wide effort that requires resources, where am I going to get them? Be like stalin and rob banks?
And again, you have no idea what I am going to show them, so your ''opinion'' is of little value.

[buckminster fuller]

good luck then.. I figured you were an anarchist since you systematically oppose any idea of societal organization.. Glad to hear you are not..

not trolling, just being concerned.. I didn't figure you have a world wide master plan that requires money.

No, I have no idea what you are going to show "them". Since you don't see it as a good idea to let everyone here benefit from your extra knowledge. Yet you ask money for it.. Not the way of the warrior of light. Hence your name...

[Tony]

Dear Rob,
All the best with your endeavours!!!
Every bit helps.

Tony

[Lord Sidious]

good luck then.. I figured you were an anarchist since you systematically oppose any idea of societal organization.. Glad to hear you are not..

not trolling, just being concerned.. I didn't figure you have a world wide master plan that requires money.

No, I have no idea what you are going to show "them". Since you don't see it as a good idea to let everyone here benefit from your extra knowledge. Yet you ask money for it.. Not the way of the warrior of light. Hence your name...

See, without this ''money'' that you speak of, I can't ask someone to put up a website, nor can I ask someone to record the workshop and transfer it to dvd, or a myriad of other things.
I don't appreciate people wanting my work for free and I don't like asking others to do that for me.
I have refused help from people because I couldn't do something for them.
Can you show me any ''warriors of light'' that can do without this ''money'' that you speak of?


Dear Rob,
All the best with your endeavours!!!
Every bit helps.

Tony

Thanks pinealnugget.
I appreciate your support as I know from your posts that you operate on a higher level than most.
I think you see what I am trying to do.

[buckminster fuller]

you really are a dark master defending its old, self consumed paradigm... why not trust people a bit more..? you could find someone to put up a site for you, you could find someone to record your workshops, I take it you don't want them to do that for free since the said website might well represent an income for you thereafter..

and yes, I see plenty of light warriors in these premises. and I don't think they would save the world for money.

Anyway, good luck with that, "Lord".

[Lord Sidious]

you really are a dark master defending its old, self consumed paradigm... why not trust people a bit more..? you could find someone to put up a site for you, you could find someone to record your workshops, I take it you don't want them to do that for free since the said website might well represent an income for you thereafter..

and yes, I see plenty of light warriors in these premises. and I don't think they would save the world for money.

Anyway, good luck with that, "Lord".

You know, you must be an unemployed comedian, because you certainly aren't very funny.
Why should I insult others by asking them to do something that I don't like people asking me to do?
Where is the energy exchange in doing it free?
Would YOU put in three weeks work, then go present for 16 hours free?
How am I going to hire a venue and the rest of the costs?
And then you say ''you think'', well that is guesswork and that shows the value of your comments.
Don't be such a nugget, just leave it alone from now on, thanks.

[buckminster fuller]

You know, you must be an unemployed comedian, because you certainly aren't very funny.
Why should I insult others by asking them to do something that I don't like people asking me to do?
Where is the energy exchange in doing it free?
Would YOU put in three weeks work, then go present for 16 hours free?
How am I going to hire a venue and the rest of the costs?
And then you say ''you think'', well that is guesswork and that shows the value of your comments.
Don't be such a nugget, just leave it alone from now on, thanks.

Lol.. not a comedian at all... Not trying to be funny either.

Energy exchange through money ? Would you mind developing on that one ?

Why do you need to hire a venue..? No youth centres, neighborhood house, friends house ?
What you are asking for is a payment for the research work you've done, fair enough. You obviously don't think about making money out of all that. Once the cost of your research reached, it will all be for free..?

Talking about Irak 5000 years ago sure cannot be guesswork, since you most certainly have the educationnal background to do that kind of study. I simply wish everyone could benefit from it without having to burn fossile fuel and use money that could be used in a potentially wiser way.

I'm off of this thread, pm me if you want to discuss that further.


Peace

[Lord Sidious]

You know, you must be an unemployed comedian, because you certainly aren't very funny.
Why should I insult others by asking them to do something that I don't like people asking me to do?
Where is the energy exchange in doing it free?
Would YOU put in three weeks work, then go present for 16 hours free?
How am I going to hire a venue and the rest of the costs?
And then you say ''you think'', well that is guesswork and that shows the value of your comments.
Don't be such a nugget, just leave it alone from now on, thanks.

Lol.. not a comedian at all... Not trying to be funny either.

Energy exchange through money ? Would you mind developing on that one ?

Why do you need to hire a venue..? No youth centres, neighborhood house, friends house ?
What you are asking for is a payment for the research work you've done, fair enough. You obviously don't think about making money out of all that. Once the cost of your research reached, it will all be for free..?

Talking about Irak 5000 years ago sure cannot be guesswork, since you most certainly have the educationnal background to do that kind of study. I simply wish everyone could benefit from it without having to burn fossile fuel and use money that could be used in a potentially wiser way.

I'm off of this thread, pm me if you want to discuss that further.


Peace

Do you have a job where you get ''paid?''
If so, why do you want others to do their thing for free?
Isn't showing people the illusion of ''the system'' worth more than pushing paper in an office?
What if I could show people how to deal with a huge chunk of their debt issues?
Is that worth something?
And pray tell, how would I fit a stack of people in someones home?
Why should they give their home up for that?
And why say peace when you are just here to stir?
You appear to be a double minded man, out to provoke.
Well, you came to the right place, if that is what you want.

[Fred Steeves]

Buckminster, I'm going to offer an old piece of sage advice that might prove useful to you at this point: "When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging."

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted by Lord Sidious:
"Why post crap on my thread?"


"See, here we go, someone talking more crap."


"Your opinion is worth less than zero"


"that shows the value of your comments"


"bug off, ok?"


"your ''opinion'' is of little value."


I am afraid I need to add my own 2 cent worth of crap here.

Can anyone imagine any of the Camelot/Avalon whistleblowers chose to use any of these words?
Kerry? Bill? (the ones that made us come here..)


"I am putting myself out there to try and help sort this system out."


Rob,if you intend to do this by puting others down when you offer yourself as a role model or a conveyer of helpful information than You are doomed to fail.


Read the energy dear members,read the enrgy,our own personal 'stories' and future intentions are all in there...and this is a good test for that matter.



~*&^~*&

Limor

[Lord Sidious]

Originally posted by Lord Sidious:
"Why post crap on my thread?"


"See, here we go, someone talking more crap."


"Your opinion is worth less than zero"


"that shows the value of your comments"


"bug off, ok?"


"your ''opinion'' is of little value."


I am afraid I need to add my own 2 cent worth of crap here.

Can anyone imagine any of the Camelot/Avalon whistleblowers chose to use any of these words?
Kerry? Bill? (the ones that made us come here..)


"I am putting myself out there to try and help sort this system out."


Rob,if you intend to do this by puting others down when you offer yourself as a role model or a conveyer of helpful information than You are doomed to fail.


Read the energy dear members,read the enrgy,our own personal 'stories' and future intentions are all in there...and this is a good test for that matter.



~*&^~*&

Limor

Limor, I am frustrated with people knocking me for reasons known only to themselves.
And the ''I want it free'' brigade, well those guys I find very insulting.
I have seen many people respond to posts on this forum out of frustration, yet no one says this is a sign of their character.
And I never claimed to be perfect, I am just as flawed as others.

[Limor Wolf]

Than why not Take a deep breath...this will not serve you in the long run personaly or professionaly,not in this kind of community anyway

[Lord Sidious]

Than If I may suggest,Take a breath...this will not serve you in the long run personaly or professionaly,not in this kind of community anyway

Your suggestion is appreciated, but I have a better idea.



How about the moderators close this thread please?
The workshops are off, regardless of numbers and ''money'', so don't ask me about dates or anything.
Sorry to those who were genuinely interested, I have lost the passion for this now.

[Curt]

Don't chuck it all in. Just regroup, revise the plan and relaunch when ready.

[Lord Sidious]

Don't chuck it all in. Just regroup, revise the plan and relaunch when ready.

Thanks, but it is obvious to me now.
Most will talk about things, do nothing and then find a way to knock someone trying.
They don't even know what I was going to present to them.

[Curt]

Don't chuck it all in. Just regroup, revise the plan and relaunch when ready.

Thanks, but it is obvious to me now.
Most will talk about things, do nothing and then find a way to knock someone trying.
They don't even know what I was going to present to them.

The death star wasn't built in a single day m'lord. Take some time to think on it, reconsider formats, refine ultimate goals and then some creative solutions will emerge. Some of your thornier critics may even have some decent advice....See how you feel in a few days time.

[Lord Sidious]

Don't chuck it all in. Just regroup, revise the plan and relaunch when ready.

Thanks, but it is obvious to me now.
Most will talk about things, do nothing and then find a way to knock someone trying.
They don't even know what I was going to present to them.

The death star wasn't built in a single day m'lord. Take some time to think on it, reconsider formats, refine ultimate goals and then some creative solutions will emerge. Some of your thornier critics may even have some decent advice....See how you feel in a few days time.

It is possible that they do, but it is obvious to me now, the energy isn't right.
There are things I could have done better, but that is life.

[Calz]

Don't chuck it all in. Just regroup, revise the plan and relaunch when ready.

Thanks, but it is obvious to me now.
Most will talk about things, do nothing and then find a way to knock someone trying.
They don't even know what I was going to present to them.

The death star wasn't built in a single day m'lord. Take some time to think on it, reconsider formats, refine ultimate goals and then some creative solutions will emerge. Some of your thornier critics may even have some decent advice....See how you feel in a few days time.

It is possible that they do, but it is obvious to me now, the energy isn't right.
There are things I could have done better, but that is life.

Any thoughts about recording and distributing?

Perhaps if time does not permit for this event then in the future?

And your radio show ... happening now? Link? (forgive if this has been posted before ... so many threads and so little time ...)

[Lord Sidious]

Don't chuck it all in. Just regroup, revise the plan and relaunch when ready.

Thanks, but it is obvious to me now.
Most will talk about things, do nothing and then find a way to knock someone trying.
They don't even know what I was going to present to them.

The death star wasn't built in a single day m'lord. Take some time to think on it, reconsider formats, refine ultimate goals and then some creative solutions will emerge. Some of your thornier critics may even have some decent advice....See how you feel in a few days time.

It is possible that they do, but it is obvious to me now, the energy isn't right.
There are things I could have done better, but that is life.

Any thoughts about recording and distributing?

Perhaps if time does not permit for this event then in the future?

And your radio show ... happening now? Link? (forgive if this has been posted before ... so many threads and so little time ...)

Nope, nothing being recorded.
I am not doing workshops, radio or anything else.
I will just keep walking my own path.
People talk the talk very well, but when they are asked to pony up, that is when we see who is genuine.
And we see who the crap talkers are too.
This isn't aimed at you, as I think you would know.
But I am very disillusioned with people and the lack of support.
Regardless of anything else, I tried to get this info out to people, but they didn't want to meet me half way.
So be it.

[Calz]

Were you not "half way" across the globe I would have eagerly, humbly and graciously met you and listened open mindedly to what you have to offer from the experience of your life.

Always love your posts (even if (or especially when) having to reexamine my own thoughts).

:yo:

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hatter dons his frustrated cap....

I 'd like to present those with an interest in the subject matter a little bit of history from my own, albeit some might say selfish, perspective. I have been following the for want of a better word 'Freeman' movement for about five years and have obtained and studied what is getting on for about thirteen GB of information on the subject matter, however would still class myself as a beginner.

I was delighted after joining Avolon to discover in the form of the avatar Lord Sidious aka Rob a fellow traveller on this path, who not only has a wealth more experience and knowledge than I but has also, unlike many of the keyboard lite warriors, actually walked the talk within the Australian context.

Unfortunately, a little while later, LS earned himself a holiday.... at the thought of potentially losing contact with such a valuable treasure trove of road tested practical information I contacted Rob via PM and which he graciously responded to although he did not know me from a bar of soap.

At this time my wife and I who are very serious about the potential benefits this knowledge will be to us and the future of our children asked him what it would cost us for some of his time to help us dot some I's and cross some T's.

I cannot vouch for the state of mind Rob was in so wouldn't dream of suggesting we where the catalyst for this attempted tour but the conversation quickly turned into one of organising a larger group of people to attend. The 20+ figure being a way of establishing a workable support group for post the event and so I agreed to take on organising the Melbourne leg of the event.

As we both wanted this to happen we are / were prepared to pitch in the equivalent of our original plan and on that basis have so far organised Multiple venues of varying sizes as well as accomodation and me taking leave so that I can provide transportation.

Recognising that some may find the money a problem we even offered to exchange the donation cost for energy expended in our garden in the hope that this might help to bring in the required numbers. At this juncture I have had two people take up that offer, both close friends however and thus the sum total of heads we have interested is five.

I have no doubt some will understand when I say that once you go down certain paths in life your circle of friends and aquaintences can shrink rather dramatically, at least ways that is how it is in my case so I don't have a vast pool of awake and aware individuals to draw upon. We have put in our best efforts with the contacts that we have using a blurb I developed myself before the official flyer was made available but circulated that one again as a follow up.

Some extracts of what I put follows...



Snip>List of subjects...

Havingpersonally researched this subject for a number of years now and noting itssuccessful application in England, Canada, America and New Zealand the common denominator is the amazing amountof effort required to dig the solution out of where it has been well and trulydeliberately buried within legal processes. It is for this reason that I am soexcited about this huge opportunity, to learn from someone who has literally‘walked the talk’ in terms of the Australian situation, which is in my viewpriceless.

InRobs own words... “I fought the law and won. Ibeat the state of W.A., the Labor party of Australiaand the Commonwealth Attorney General. Plus, I have been a pain in the rear forthem since the early part of this new century. They amended two laws because ofmy antics and I had parliament in a bit of a tizz as well.”
snip>
In summary I would say that thisinformation can be approached in a number of ways...
1) Come along and learn how thesystem really works and how those that operate it have it rigged in theirfavour. You should come away with a much better understanding of why certainthings in society happen the way they do.
2) Come along and learn who iscontrolling us and why.
3) For those that really want toget amongst it, come along and learn the tools required to fully partake in aprocess which does nothing more than use the ‘systems’ methods against itselfto help make the world a better place for future generations.
snip>
Having made the effort we then hoped that the potential of all those awake and aware people on Avalon might provide the leverage to disseminate the information widely enough to reach the target numbers....

I accept that this information is not everyones cup of tea so to speak and throughout various threads people have put forward their concerns regarding the merits of the material in the usual respectful way that we have all come to appreciate is the Avalon way.

Leastways that was how it was until today when I logged on to read the latest on this thread. Instead of discovering a community working together to build each other up in an effort to educate others what do I find... perhaps a deconstruction of one of these posts by way of example might highlight what I'm upset about...


200 pounds is a lot of money. Fartoo much for what LS has to offer if you ask me.
Well how much is the right amount to pay to learn how to get a bond hypothecated by the Australian Treasury??
I take you know how this is done and await your posting a URL for a you tube video or website that explains this in detail for free. I put it to you that you haven't got a clue what is involved or why such a thing would be useful but certainly look forward to you proving me wrong.

where's this book you wrote..?
Never seen LS make such a claim and why is that necessary?

credentials..?
Putting forward a Habeus Corpus pitch in a real Asutralian courtroom not enough for you?

researches..?
You obviously haven't been on a nugget hunt...

what makes your opinion of value compared toothers ?
Umm...walking the talk pays big dividends in my book...

why not share your findings over here.. on this forum where you arethe top poster, and where it would benefit more people..?
Umm...I take you read the 525 pages of homework set for this subject or did you, with you all consuming interest and thus authority on this subject, miss that particular thread. In case you did it was The redemption Manual 3rd edition.
[/QUOTE]I take it your infois organized since you want to deliver it through a workshop, why not publishyour notes?
Well in that case, since your avatar is Bucky who gave the world Geodesic domes and Carbon40, I look forward to a treatise from you on subject matter that matches that sort of quality contribution...

How does it relate to this anarchy ideology of yours ?Note I have not seen LS refer to himself as an Anarchist, I may be wrong, but I would like to know if you, as so many do, use the currently bastardised meaning of the word as in thinking it is a reference to lawlessnes. It is not. It actually means no ruler, not necessarily no law. As a system of governance, to anyone who has done even a modicum of real reasearch on the subject presents potential solutions that many of the ism forms of governance cannot. Put thats for another thread...

if you don't like being asked questions, this forum might not be the place forthis ..?
and tone of said qestions should have nothing to do with eh...

as for me being a utopian.. we all are today, anyway, living in a utopiansociety... you not less than others.. I am an activist, yet I'm not askingdineros from people...
If the flag you fly is that of France then I wonder at the sort of cognitive dissonance that is required to live under a law system that has you guilty unless you can prove your innocence can be described as any form of utopia.

not looking for a fight, I believe you maybe others wouldn't. PS neither am I...

just trying to get people to think for themselvesbefore they swallow others speculative findings, having to pay for that. Youwant to help people ? Teach them how to make researches for themselves. Whatthey will find themselves will be worth 10 times what you will give them asstraight, pre-digested information.
Has it occured to you that getting the benefit of thirty years of field experience as a pre cursor to the further research you suggest might be an invaluable head start??
Hence the expression "standing on the shoulders of giants".

In combination with others of what at best can be described as a bluntly put position and an apparent across the board lack of interest in knowledge and tools to assist people to fight back at the system using the systems own rules LS has understandably now lost interest in trying to help those whom on the surface appear, at least to me, not to be interested in helping themselves.

Being selfish here I would like to point out that in this attempt to help others it seems I am now to miss out on this opportunity entirely...

Anyways sorry for the rant (not really). I am at least wiser on the reality of Avalons ability to leverage its collective of lite warriors to do something positive on this front at least.

PS I am still willing to pay to get access to someone who understands this subject to the depth required. PM me if you can prove you actually walk your talk.

[Calz]

If not past the "point of no return" I would quite happily contribute to something that can be distributed on the net.

Global travel is not a luxury all can afford regardless of how much we would be willing to participate.

(Off topic point ... took family to Philippines last summer after saving for *nearly 10 years* and we are not "poor". Family of 4 for a month ... over $15K.)

*** adding ***

What say you Rob???

Bill n Kerry raise cash to put out the truth.

What is it that we ***Avalonians*** can do to meet you half way???

Reconsider and give us a chance ...

Perhaps face to face isn't the way to go in "these times"???

Cal

[Anno]

cpbbuaIA3Ds

In the 1800's it was fashionable for person to host a dinner party and host a speaker to share such information with the friends they thought were interested. If that went well the speaker would be invited to more such events, pamphleteering would ensue and if they were popular then they may get a large hall.

These days everyone wants to be a rock star already.

[Sierra]

Thread closed per OP request.