Flying Saucer prototypes being built

[ClandestineDisclosure]

Ralph Ring is on record for having worked with Otis T. Carr in the late 1950's. He helped to build flying saucers, or as Carr preferred to call them -- Circular Foil Craft.

I've been following the work of Ralph's Pods since May 2011; and, have become a member of the Flying Saucer Design Group located, which is physically located in Australia; and, the Free Energy Device Group located in California. As a Producer, I'm also documenting their progress and hope to produce a feature-length docudrama related to Ralph's life and the efforts of the pods to make Free energy and flying saucers reality for everyone. The working title is 'Clandestine Disclosure'.

RALPH RING POD UPDATES
I regularly post videos on my YouTube Channel and website. I'm starting this thread to provide another means of posting video and text updates and answering questions related to the projects. My latest video was posted yesterday. What follows are developments from late last night

UPDATE: October 2, 2011
The Free Energy (FE) team met with it's latest member - a bonafide Electrical Engineer who jumped in with both hands and set to work on determining our progress and implementing -- I assume -- a set of suggestions that he'd forwarded to the team last week. During his visit, we was able to determine the resonant frequency of the device, which the Australian numerologist and craft / FE designer had commented that it coincidentally added up to 13. Certain electrical challenges were faced by the team. Without getting too technical or running the risk of misrepresenting the actual problem, I'll just say it sounded like they needed to validate whether their readings were accurate (the same issue I had when I visited last week). Specifically, there may have been an grounding issue.

Since the cellphone connection was rough and I could barely understand what they were saying, I decided to wait until the EE forwarded his findings to the rest of the team. He promised to include pictures of meter readings and a complete description of the experiments they performed.

PICTURES POSTED ON PROJECT CAMELOT
For anyone that's downloaded any of the drawings posted on the Project Camelot website, I would like to put some of these drawings in perspective. Specifically, I want to address the drawing which depicts a Van Degraff generator connected directly to the central UTRON.

During my interview with Ralph (Ralph Ring Interview parts 1 and 2 -- Jul 27, 2011) which is viewable my YouTube Channel, I asked Ralph about this and other pictures. He'd informed me that these were things which had been tried and discarded, or words to that affect. He also mentioned Walter Baumbartner having done the work on some of them. I don't recall whether Baumgartner was part of the original OTC, Enterprises team.

The Walter Baumbartner Report
During my visit with Ralph and Marsha a few weeks ago, where we all met to do the first tests on the FE device, Ralph loaned some materials to me -- two very large binders of stuff. You may have seen these binders appear in other interviews with Ralph. One particular item grabbed my attention. It was a 12 page type-written report, dated May 31, 1984, which did not have a by-line. According to Ralph, it was written by Walter Baumgartner. It includes his written observations of tests that he conducted; hand-drawn wave form from an oscilloscope; and a series of photographs that shows the model he built. He was testing certain aspects of the craft's operation. It was in this report that the drawing I described above was extracted and posted on the Project Camelot website. This drawing was made long after the era of OTC, Enterprises.

The Australian design team now has this report; and, according to them, it's consistent with what they believe to be true.

MEETINGS
I've briefly addressed this next item in my most recent video update; but, I wanted to provide a little more detail. Please keep in mind that I cannot be too specific, as I don't have permission to release names. The past week has been active with Ralph meeting with key volunteers -- spiritual and scientific (labs). Next week, Ralph has asked me to bridge the gap between the scientific volunteers and the design group. It sound promising; but, we are only at the beginning of this working relationship. Ralph and Masha had a chance to meet with them; but, I was not privy to this meeting...all that to say...stay tuned.

Peace,

Walter
http://ClandestineDisclosure.com
http://BlueStarEnterprise.com
http://www.youtube.com/Search4TruthReality

[ClandestineDisclosure]

Ralph Ring 'Pod' Update - October 3, 2011


Ralph's website was hacked -- correction...I was informed that upon closer examination; it was not.
Results of Free Energy device test


GiIjNmQLvXs

[Maia Gabrial]

Real funny, Walter - Bloopers!

[WhiteFeather]

Great Forum Im Posting Here with regards to this thread, This Guy known as AlienScientist Knows His Stuff, and is a friend of mine on YouTube, check out this forum. This Man is a physics genius. He has plans to build UFO's as well. Heres The Link http://www.ufohowto.com/index%202.htm

Alien Scientist Website.
http://www.youtube.com/user/AlienScientist
http://www.alienscientist.com/forum/forum.php
http://www.alienscientist.com/
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http://www.ufohowto.com/center%20cover.jpg
http://www.ufohowto.com/vol%206%20totaL.jpg

[WhiteFeather]

Ralph Ring is on record for having worked with Otis T. Carr in the late 1950's. He helped to build flying saucers, or as Carr preferred to call them -- Circular Foil Craft.

I've been following the work of Ralph's Pods since May 2011; and, have become a member of the Flying Saucer Design Group located, which is physically located in Australia; and, the Free Energy Device Group located in California. As a Producer, I'm also documenting their progress and hope to produce a feature-length docudrama related to Ralph's life and the efforts of the pods to make Free energy and flying saucers reality for everyone. The working title is 'Clandestine Disclosure'.

RALPH RING POD UPDATES
I regularly post videos on my YouTube Channel and website. I'm starting this thread to provide another means of posting video and text updates and answering questions related to the projects. My latest video was posted yesterday. What follows are developments from late last night

UPDATE: October 2, 2011
The Free Energy (FE) team met with it's latest member - a bonafide Electrical Engineer who jumped in with both hands and set to work on determining our progress and implementing -- I assume -- a set of suggestions that he'd forwarded to the team last week. During his visit, we was able to determine the resonant frequency of the device, which the Australian numerologist and craft / FE designer had commented that it coincidentally added up to 13. Certain electrical challenges were faced by the team. Without getting too technical or running the risk of misrepresenting the actual problem, I'll just say it sounded like they needed to validate whether their readings were accurate (the same issue I had when I visited last week). Specifically, there may have been an grounding issue.

Since the cellphone connection was rough and I could barely understand what they were saying, I decided to wait until the EE forwarded his findings to the rest of the team. He promised to include pictures of meter readings and a complete description of the experiments they performed.

PICTURES POSTED ON PROJECT CAMELOT
For anyone that's downloaded any of the drawings posted on the Project Camelot website, I would like to put some of these drawings in perspective. Specifically, I want to address the drawing which depicts a Van Degraff generator connected directly to the central UTRON.

During my interview with Ralph (Ralph Ring Interview parts 1 and 2 -- Jul 27, 2011) which is viewable my YouTube Channel, I asked Ralph about this and other pictures. He'd informed me that these were things which had been tried and discarded, or words to that affect. He also mentioned Walter Baumbartner having done the work on some of them. I don't recall whether Baumgartner was part of the original OTC, Enterprises team.

The Walter Baumbartner Report
During my visit with Ralph and Marsha a few weeks ago, where we all met to do the first tests on the FE device, Ralph loaned some materials to me -- two very large binders of stuff. You may have seen these binders appear in other interviews with Ralph. One particular item grabbed my attention. It was a 12 page type-written report, dated May 31, 1984, which did not have a by-line. According to Ralph, it was written by Walter Baumgartner. It includes his written observations of tests that he conducted; hand-drawn wave form from an oscilloscope; and a series of photographs that shows the model he built. He was testing certain aspects of the craft's operation. It was in this report that the drawing I described above was extracted and posted on the Project Camelot website. This drawing was made long after the era of OTC, Enterprises.

The Australian design team now has this report; and, according to them, it's consistent with what they believe to be true.

MEETINGS
I've briefly addressed this next item in my most recent video update; but, I wanted to provide a little more detail. Please keep in mind that I cannot be too specific, as I don't have permission to release names. The past week has been active with Ralph meeting with key volunteers -- spiritual and scientific (labs). Next week, Ralph has asked me to bridge the gap between the scientific volunteers and the design group. It sound promising; but, we are only at the beginning of this working relationship. Ralph and Masha had a chance to meet with them; but, I was not privy to this meeting...all that to say...stay tuned.

Peace,

Walter
http://ClandestineDisclosure.com
http://BlueStarEnterprise.com
http://www.youtube.com/Search4TruthReality

Cool Stuff, Thanks CD. Here's a video from history channel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRv59Csi2QY&feature=player_embedded#!

[Kindred]

(never mind that we 'do' have this knowledge, and Use it, albeit, secretly)
This technology was was originally conceived and tested back in the 30's and is identified as the Biefeld-Brown effect. The linked pdf was originally written in 1977, and included an introduction by Apollo astronaut Edgar D. Mitchell, Ph.D. This stuff is well known, but 'hidden' to most.
Of interest is the forward which discusses the suppression of both this technology, along with the necessary change in critical thinking and the discrepancies observed in various 'immutable' universal parameters and scientific phenomena.

http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/cetinbal/PDFdosya/EtherTech.pdf

However, this is simply technology. Just as with any technology, humankind needs to raise it's consciousness to the degree required to use it wisely. Unfortunately, we have yet to fully and comprehensively implement and embrace the required proper mindset in a universal fashion. My hope remains that we will achieve this in my lifetime.

In Unity and Peace

[cputrino]

I haven't seen the experiment. I, as well as anyone, would be interested in free energy. I am an electrical engineer. Voltage can be stepped up with a simple transformer. The important thing to measure besides voltage is current. In any transformer there will be some power loss. P=IV. Power = Current X Voltage. So, if there is free energy in the making, you will be able to measure an increase in Power.

[cputrino]

Are you familiar with the technology in the pdf? I am going to print and study it. If you are able to give me some introductory material, I would appreciate it.

[Kindred]

I haven't seen the experiment. I, as well as anyone, would be interested in free energy. I am an electrical engineer. Voltage can be stepped up with a simple transformer. The important thing to measure besides voltage is current. In any transformer there will be some power loss. P=IV. Power = Current X Voltage. So, if there is free energy in the making, you will be able to measure an increase in Power.

Yes, certainly there is an infinite field of energy all around us. The problem is there is very little, if no, gradient. That's the trick, to create a gradient, and use the differential. Another idea is to create a resonance with this force, and then drain off the excess, much as when you push someone on a swing - a little force is applied each time the swing begins the up-swing. Time it just right, you get an amplification that can be harvested.

[Kindred]

Oh yes... there is also the trailer "Thrive"... it's in another thread... just poke around. The principles are soon to be revealed. I suspect this is one reason we're seeing a slight decrease in the price of fuel, besides the drop in the price of crude.

[firstlook]

Hey thanks for the updates. Perhaps Ralph himself might find a grateful audience in this forum as well.

Peace :)

[cputrino]

I read the 1st 50 pages of EtherTech and I must say that I am impressed by something. It is a very rare thing that authors have any idea what they are talking about when they mention Einstein's Special or General Theories. But, this author correctly identifies the main tenet or postulate of General Relativity: the equivalence of inertial and gravitional mass, or as Einstein would put it "we can never devise an experiment where we could measure the difference between being in an accelerated frame of reference or subject to a gravitational field.

Given the high confidence I have in the author, I will proceed with the remainder of the document.

[The One]

remember this http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CDwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ufocasebook.com%2Fcanadausaufos.html&ei=-L2MTqHlO-rO0QXfmtTEBQ&usg=AFQjCNGF6aKl3jJj2FMaSjxV6ALyhUrVNQ&sig2=lneZ9bIxLCCDd3kI57Nwhw

[Maia Gabrial]

Are there any other pictures of Otis T. Carr?

[TargeT]

I haven't seen the experiment. I, as well as anyone, would be interested in free energy. I am an electrical engineer. Voltage can be stepped up with a simple transformer. The important thing to measure besides voltage is current. In any transformer there will be some power loss. P=IV. Power = Current X Voltage. So, if there is free energy in the making, you will be able to measure an increase in Power.

You'll be EXTREMELY interested in the thread where Planks constant is proven then ;)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8797-A-New-Era-in-Physics-Anti-Gravity-Cold-Fusion-Explained-In-Detail--video-series-

This explains the physicis (quantum) behind what is probably being done above..

[ClandestineDisclosure]

Real funny, Walter - Bloopers!

thanks...trust me...there's PLENTY more where those came from. LOL I'm considering adding all the bloopers into a reel...to be included with an upcoming release of my interviews and adventures with Ralph and the pods.

[ClandestineDisclosure]

Are there any other pictures of Otis T. Carr?

I've seen very few. Most are posted on the Internet.

[ClandestineDisclosure]

Hey thanks for the updates. Perhaps Ralph himself might find a grateful audience in this forum as well.

Peace :)

I've visited Ralph and Marsha Ring twice...spent about a week at their home in AZ and few days at their home in CA when we did tested the UTRON-based renewable energy unit. I talk to them regularly on Skype and by cell phone - at least once a week. Having hung around Ralph and observed his life, I will tell you this...leads a very busy life. Honestly, it's a wonder how he gets through all of his e-mail (I don't think he does. LOL). All that to say, I've informed Ralph that I'm out here on Avalon.net; blustarenterprise.com; and my website clandestinedisclosure.com keeping as many people updated as humanly possible. I really want to see these craft work. I want know the truth of his story. He wants to see these craft fly again. He wants the flying RV's, the flying cars, the flying cities; but, most of all, he wants everyone's consciousness to be raised. That's the key to everything, he says.

[ClandestineDisclosure]

I haven't seen the experiment. I, as well as anyone, would be interested in free energy. I am an electrical engineer. Voltage can be stepped up with a simple transformer. The important thing to measure besides voltage is current. In any transformer there will be some power loss. P=IV. Power = Current X Voltage. So, if there is free energy in the making, you will be able to measure an increase in Power.

Regarding experiment footage - the guys can be a bit camera shy. Some want to remain anonymous until we're done. I was there for the first test and did capture some footage, which will be packaged and -- yes, eventually sold as part of my production. In the meantime, I'll keep y'all updated. My URL's are above. I am familiar with Watts Law and Ohms Law - have an AAS, Electronics degree; which means I know enough to be dangerous...but not dangerous enough to kill myself or others around me. Please don't quiz me on the information I'm about to offer. If you're very interested and really want to help, shoot me a note and we can talk about how you can help.
After the second test, I couldn't wait to ask the engineer about CURRENT. So, basically, he's built this transformer-type loop-back LCR circuit using our aluminum modified UTRON as the Capacitor. He calculated and then measured the resonant frequency of the UTRON...pulsed it at resonance...and watched the voltage accumulate.
The measured output wasn't in the hundreds of volts as I'd reported in the video; but, in the thousands. In the EE’s report, I saw images of the analog Volt meter and at the time it appeared to me as though it were set at the 600V range; and yet, he’d written 3,000V. When I talked to him, he informed me it was set to the 6KV range. So, it measured between 3,000 (3KV) and 4,000V (4KV) AC.
The EE believes that it will take very little energy to charge this circuit so that it can accumulate the power it needs to operate itself and power vast loads. Basically, give it a jump start and it will run forever. It has no moving parts. He's operating on a theory. He is NOT saying we have over unity. He is NOT saying we have free-energy; and, during our conversation, he assured me that he won't say so until he sees the data proving it. I was glad to hear that.
Ralph has established contact with other people with degrees and resources who seem willing to help. I was supposed to call them this week; but, got buried in other work. So, I'll do it this week. Bottom line, no free-energy yet. Regarding the craft - construction is at a stand-still due to lack of funds. The guys in Australia are working out a way to raise the needed money to continue the construction. I'm working to raise funds for my Ralph Ring Docudrama.

Peace,

Walter

[McMagical Engineer]

Does anyone have test data, extra schematics, winding patterns for the Utrons, or anything else that they can share with me? I am working on testing and small prototype design right now. I am currently soldering a board for a solid state Tesla coil that should kick out high enough frequencies and voltages for some good tests and will be working with HF/HV on Utrons to try and get resonance results.
I am almost out of school with a degree in mechanical engineering so any data, math, test results or anything with calculations on these devices would be super helpful. I am trying to write theory and figure out this machine as I go. Anyone with information or extra insight, please help me catch up to the current field! I am also interested in pod groups? Are there others out there working on these things I can collaborate with?

http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae130/smaxx_manimal/download.jpg
My started coil board and 2 Utron cores I machined this afternoon.
Coil kit was purchased here: http://www.easternvoltageresearch.com/

stuff I have been working with:
http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae130/smaxx_manimal/Gravitational_lensing_or_Magnetic__lensing.jpg
http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae130/smaxx_manimal/prolating_and_oblating_stars.jpg
http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae130/smaxx_manimal/wave_optics_and_space_geometry.jpg
http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae130/smaxx_manimal/wavecycle.jpg

Thank you,
~Max~

[ClandestineDisclosure]

Max,

Nice work; and, thank you for your interest in joining the team.

I've sent you a PM with instructions on how to contact us.

Peace,

Walter

[TargeT]

[ He's operating on a theory. He is NOT saying we have over unity. He is NOT saying we have free-energy; and, during our conversation, he assured me that he won't say so until he sees the data proving it. I was glad to hear that. Walter

Your absolutely correct, it is NOT "free" energy, its careful impeedence management (at the core) and once you think of it in those terms its so much easier to work with :)

at best (and comparatively) it could be called "easy" energy, though really you should just call what we do "hard energy" haha..

Keep the updates coming, I tryed to put a team together to do this locally but found a serious lack in either talent, or interest.. (gotta have both)

I would KILL for special materials expert (alloys) & EE, all I have is me (IT guy) and a mechanic / cell phone repair guy.. haha!

[ClandestineDisclosure]

[ He's operating on a theory. He is NOT saying we have over unity. He is NOT saying we have free-energy; and, during our conversation, he assured me that he won't say so until he sees the data proving it. I was glad to hear that. Walter

Your absolutely correct, it is NOT "free" energy, its careful impeedence management (at the core) and once you think of it in those terms its so much easier to work with :)

at best (and comparatively) it could be called "easy" energy, though really you should just call what we do "hard energy" haha..

Keep the updates coming, I tryed to put a team together to do this locally but found a serious lack in either talent, or interest.. (gotta have both)

I would KILL for special materials expert (alloys) & EE, all I have is me (IT guy) and a mechanic / cell phone repair guy.. haha!


Man, I went to Electronics School. I remember studying impedance. My lab partner used to rib because I always got my AC relationships backwards when it came to impedance. Drove me nuts! Anyway, It's probably a real good thing I'm a Producer and not an electrician today. Now, IT...I can handle that. I did it for a career until my job got outsourced one too many times.

Anyhow, have you considered reaching out to our pods? If you tap in, and they like you, they might give you the information you need to do some of your own testing. Go register on Ralph's website - http://bluestarenterprise.com - contact Mark Hoza, the webmaster in Australia. Get a Skype account and talk to him on Skype about what you want to do. He may be able to get you started. If you have questions about alloys, shoot em over to us. We may be able to help.

[ClandestineDisclosure]

Renewable Energy Unit - Correction on figures reported in one of my previous video pod updates. 10 VAC was input; and between 3,000 and 4,000 VAC was output. As yet, it's just voltage; but, there is a plan to also get current. The testing was put on-hold until the Electrical Engineer and engineer technician returns from their travels.
Prototype Circular Foil Craft - after a donation was received by the designer-builder, the outer UTRONS and 'C' shaped electromagnets will be milled and added to the craft. The donation will take the craft's construction to a point. Then it will stop again. As funds are made available, the craft will resume construction.
I've engaged a Media company, and we are in the development phase on this story. Nothing to announce yet. We're still early in the overall production process. I'm hopeful; but, realistic about the whole thing.


lYP4q_hX0yg

[McMagical Engineer]

Finally, I figured out why my capacitors were not working. Tesla coil is back under construction.

[ClandestineDisclosure]

I didn't realize you were having capacitor issues. Isn't there a medication for that...thought I'd seen something at the drug store right next to Dr. Scholl's inserts. :fear: yea, yeh might wanna look into that.

Have fun with the Tesla Coil :neo:

[ClandestineDisclosure]

POD UPDATE: 11.3.2011

The guys are back from vacation and business travels. Our Electrical Engineer volunteer will be sending a parts list and schematics to the pod for the next phase of testing on the Renewable Energy Unit. He's anxious to start testing again on the project; and, so is the guy I mention below. He fells we're real close; and, anxious to see the testing finished.
A third pod member very closely associated with the Renewable Energy Device project recently bought a wrecked Lexus Hybrid, which he's having fixed and modified so that the unit may be connected to its motor when it's ready...yea, I'd say he's committed to the project. The guys are considering fabricating another unit for testing, so the guys won't have to travel as much. The EE will be happy to see this done, no doubt. I don't envy the commute he has to make every time he wants to tweak something and test the unit.
I haven't heard anything lately from Australia. I have no idea where they're at with the prototype model; but, then again...I've been unreachable as well. So, if you watched my last update, you know the last I heard, they got an infuse of money and were paying to have the outer UTRONS and C-shaped electromagnets manufactured.
I've been busy with the production...lots of writing, research, and phone calls...in development for a TV series.

[McMagical Engineer]

So I have been studying my geometry (reading books, drawing, etc...) and I have been really looking at the Fibonacci sequence as well as the "squaring the circle" concept. After looking at the Rodin coil and rodin starship coil that people have been testing, I decided that there is a small flaw being overlooked with those coils.

IF you wrap a similar geometry (same basic principals but with a different winding layout) around a cylinder, there is a pattern that pops up quite nicely. I do not have a lot of time to test my coil at my school labs and do not have the electrical equipment to do it at home (yet) so I am asking any coil enthusiasts to please try and get some data off of this coil!

I recently purchased a little bag of compasses (50 of them for like 12 bucks) so that I can try and get a better view of the magnetic grid being formed around the coil once I get my tesla up and running. School is a pain in the ass but im getting little things done here and there.
http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae130/smaxx_manimal/IMG_20111109_173325.jpg

The coil itself is around a cylinder, with 36 pins coming out of it. It took some time to get the initial pattern down but it is incredible as you wind it to see just how perfect it follows the golden geometry.
http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae130/smaxx_manimal/IMG_20111111_170142.jpg
http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae130/smaxx_manimal/IMG_20111111_170133.jpg

Note the ratio of the amount wire being wound around the cylinder vs the amount going across the top.
http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae130/smaxx_manimal/IMG_20111111_170125.jpg
http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae130/smaxx_manimal/IMG_20111111_170115.jpg

My next coil will be similar to this but have the full star pattern on top and on bottom. The goal is to get a mad pulsed AC into this thing and see if I can get a mono-pole to spike out of it or a contained neutral ring around the center. If not, Ill keep winding till I do!

[Kindred]

This is All Great Stuff! I'll offer the following to further the conversation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN-i58JxUi0&feature=related 1st of 6 videos of significant import, relative to 'free energy' - watch to the end!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ChsZUwqTeE&feature=related
How very much we Don't Know!

McMagical Engineer: I've noted that all your windings are right-handed. Here's an extremely interesting 'phenomena' relative to this 'standard' in the electrical engineering world... (I suspect we've been mislead) note the windings! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7QOd7rVgzk&list=PLCBEAA1EFD9A2026F&index=4&feature=plpp_video

Also.. as I've stated in other posts - truly, we have all the technology we need. What humanity is in Desperate Need of is the Spiritual Development necessary to implement said technology in the Most Positive and Beneficial way. For, without Spiritual Development, the use of technology will only succeed in retracing the errors of the past.

[ClandestineDisclosure]

Latest updates:

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Today, I had a good meeting with Struans Media - we're still developing stories for the show. We don't want to have the show be a 'forced' reality show. We do want to forge positive relationships with everyone that chooses to work with us. Our intents are pure. Each day that goes by, I get more inspiration. The show is truly a labor of love. Thank you to everyone following our work.

I also spoke with the designer today. He's most energized about the latest developments. I've very curious to learn more. In the meantime, I've received plans from the designer. I've also received a few more binders of unpublished science (magnetism, etc) reports from Ralph; and as such, I'll be a scanning fool for the designer. It's kinda funny how I look at seemingly innocuous materials, scan it, send it to the designer; and, it turns out to be an important piece of the puzzle. The designer just laughs when I tell him some of this stuff is just 'shyte', right? So, we have a giggle and laugh about it, and move on. Bottom line, I don't make any judgements about the stuff that comes across my desk. I just scan it and send it on.

Peace,

Walter

[vortexpoint]

Does anyone have test data, extra schematics, winding patterns for the Utrons, or anything else that they can share with me? I am working on testing and small prototype design right now. I am currently soldering a board for a solid state Tesla coil that should kick out high enough frequencies and voltages for some good tests and will be working with HF/HV on Utrons to try and get resonance results.
I am almost out of school with a degree in mechanical engineering so any data, math, test results or anything with calculations on these devices would be super helpful. I am trying to write theory and figure out this machine as I go. Anyone with information or extra insight, please help me catch up to the current field! I am also interested in pod groups? Are there others out there working on these things I can collaborate with?


Nice, you been working with Walter Russells stuff! Have you tried Russell's coils? I remember reading Russell made a free energy machine for NORAD.
http://www.rexresearch.com/russellcoil/russellcoil1.jpg

Recently I ran into a video about Bashar's Space-time antenna which looks a lot like Russell's coils. Although I'm not much into channeled info, this looked like worth checking out.
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ1DrRNDfSCDEhRmpQJhH3nSqOlKYf45 bXSMse7rcEKGYqiptUW


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxhA9_PcR_o

[mojo]

Has the information David Sereda brought forth at all helpful in your endeavor? thanks...

[ClandestineDisclosure]

Has the information David Sereda brought forth at all helpful in your endeavor? thanks...

Which information are you referring to (of David Sereda)? I was at his website yesterday for a while; but, got buried in other priorities.

[ClandestineDisclosure]

A quick update:

FREE ENERGY POD:
The team met last week to continue testing on their UTRON-based device. Attending the testing sessions were the regular members plus one more from John Searl's group - Jason Verbelli. I thought it might be a good idea for Jason and the Electrical Engineer to meet. Jason brought along a few of his Rodin coils, and one interesting looking black box, with a story and very large car battery attached to it.

During my conversation with the Electrical Engineer, at the time, he was expressing concern over whether their readings from last November were accurate. Based on our conversation, it was sounding like last months test may have merely proved the existing principles of inductance and what we know about step-up transformers. Some special test leads had been ordered for last weekend's tests to help isolate the inconsistencies in measurements between and analog meter and an O-Scope. The test leads did not arrive in time.

I couldn't stick around for all the tests. I was there that day with my Producer hat on - interviewing all the pod members for our TV Series sizzle reel - Search4Truth; and, I had to get back to San Diego. I later learned that the Engineer was able to validate the results of last November's tests through applying other testing modalities and a process of elimination. So, it seems 10V input is still generating thousands of volts output. I inquired to the their ability to generate current. My question was not answered. I get the impression that the VARIAC they needed and had expected to remove from other 'ancient' piece of electronics either didn't work; or, it worked but they still waiting for the high power test leads and other components of their order to arrive.

BOB DEAN
Based on what I saw online - Jason's YouTube Channel - the guys performed several tests on the Rodin coils that Jason brought along with them. I've not yet had a chance to catch up with Jason yet, as I've only just returned from Arizona where I interviewed Jamie Buturff, Tom Dongo and "The Elder Statesman" himself - Retired Command Sergeant Major Robert Dean. Bob Dean is a gracious man. We got a chance to learn a bit about each other. Bob welcomed me to the club; and we had a nice conversation in front of the camera where Bob openly shared a good three hours of his life with us while we silently listened. Questions were few; but, many of my questions were answered without my needing to ask. I'm grateful for having met Bob.

SEARCH4TRUTH TV SERIES
The purpose for my traveling all over the country 'collecting' interviews is so that we may pitch the show (Search4truth) to Discovery and Learning channels, and other methods of distribution. We've put a lot of effort into developing a show that we believe will be interesting and entertaining. Many of the topics of the show -- including Ralph Ring's experience -- members of this forum will already be aware. As such, I have no doubt that once it hits the 'mainstream' TV, feathers will be ruffled and the tomatoes will start to fly; and that's OK; because, I like salad. My goal with this show is to hopefully get more people thinking about the possibilities...maybe even consider who and what we are...and where we come from...and to consider the bright future which lays before us. Truth? We won't tell people whether the claims we investigate are true -- that's up to their personal discernment. In the meantime, we have about a half-dozen more interviews to complete; writing to finish; and, we'll be auditioning for a female co-host & investigative reporter sometime in February. We've invited Kerry; but...no response yet.

OTC-X1 PROTOTYPE
In Australia, work continues - on again / off again. The designer is still working on a three-part 'STARTER GUIDE' for general consumption. I just got a note from him today informing me that he's just waiting on the final input from Ralph and Marsha Ring before sending out the last of the three-part book. Apparently, the first two parts have already been posted on hundredth monkey. Here's the URL he sent to me:

http://thehundredthmonkeyradio.com/new-paradigm-ideas.html

So, for all you guys wanting to know how to build one of these craft, that book should provide some useful clues.

Peace,

Walter

[ClandestineDisclosure]

Documents from the designer:

https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=c706de2ea25e75f5&page=browse&resid=C706DE2EA25E75F5!118&sc=Documents&authkey=!AJnduWOrJ1_h9fg&Bpub=SDX.SkyDrive&Bsrc=SkyMail

and this is an update on the third document:

http://www.scribd.com/bennhallett/d/82274131-Otis-T-Carr-OTC-X1-Complete-Document-Part-3

I Skype chatted with the designer yesterday. As mentioned before, he's received the capacitor plates and shall be receiving the central accumulator soon.

[TargeT]

Thanks for the update,, awesome to see someone moving forward with this stuff.. I had hoped to try myself at one point but realized I was in a bit (way)over my head.. haha

[ClandestineDisclosure]

This video shows some new pictures of the craft.

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[ClandestineDisclosure]

New Pod update posted on my website - text version with a couple of pictures.
http://www.clandestinedisclosure.com/podupdates.html

[betweener]

with respect to electromagnetic and electrogravitic craft, would it be suitable to build an initial craft frame out of wood, such as common lumber, over which and within all other aspects of the craft would be, such as arrays of electromagnetic coils, cockpit elements, various engines and other electrical components, and landing gear (with door-flaps in the hull).

im pondering this, because it makes sense to me that if such a craft makes its own gravity/anti-gravity, then theoretically, one could make the initial frame out of glued PVC, if so inclined, and it should/would work because there is no undue G-force stress exhibited onto/into the craft, in spite of whatever aerobatic feats the completed craft could perform.

im also pondering this, because as an ambitious young man, who unfortunately is short of both money and space, it would do me well enough to be able to be able to build my dream craft out of plausible and suitable, but also not-undulaly expensive or 'shoddy' materials and things, that could be compiled or modified from off-the-shelf things already allowed to the common populaces.

[ClandestineDisclosure]

betweener,

On the 24" prototype that he is building, the designer in Australia is using wood for the frame and central rotating disk; so, yes, I reckon one could use lumber onto which one could affix the rest of the components. You'll find; however, that milling T6 aluminum UTRONs ain't cheap. I wish you the best of luck. Let us know how it goes by sending us an e-mail from time to time. walter@clandestinedisclosure.com

Peace,

Walter

[TargeT]

Walter,

5 months and no more updatable progress? an appitizer, a teaser, anything?

Thanks for the updates, more are always apreciated :)

[ClandestineDisclosure]

The designer / builder is at at stand still for now due to lack of funds.
I am considering building a prototype of my own with my dad. We both have knowledge of electronics. Cost estimates: Between $3,000 and $5,000. I may do a kickstarter campaign to raise the funds.
I am also considering posting a video offering my take on the OTC-X1 design.
There is a new pod just in the past few days being formed in Austin, TX. See my website for their contact information. clandestinedisclosure.com (http://clandestinedisclosure.com)
Ralph Ring recently spoke at the Breakthrough Energy Movement (BEM) conference in Holland, where he met and 'teamed up' with John Searl.
I'll be visiting Ralph and Marsha in Arizona soon to discuss my TV Series and the docudrama screenplay I'm writing about his life. I may even be looking into Big Foot. :laugh:

[McMagical Engineer]

I guess I have not posted in a long time, figured I would throw a shout out to everyone and say hi. I am currently building a new shop and experimenting with new composites and ferrofluid. solid state tesla coil is done and I have several variations of the Rodin and rodin starsip coils in testing. have an old EE friend helping me with circuit testing and coil resonance. keep on keepin on!

[betweener]

in the spirit of continuing development (atleast in the conception phases, all things considered on my end), i think it is also valid to hash out what the cockpit (or if big enough, a proper ships Bridge) would be like.

focus on engines and how it goes is all well and good, but once all is said and done, how ya gonna fly it ?

well, i have that topic going on here - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57467-EM-EG-craft-cockpit-bridge-arrangements&p=654786#post654786

[Bob]

I haven't seen the experiment. I, as well as anyone, would be interested in free energy. I am an electrical engineer. Voltage can be stepped up with a simple transformer. The important thing to measure besides voltage is current. In any transformer there will be some power loss. P=IV. Power = Current X Voltage. So, if there is free energy in the making, you will be able to measure an increase in Power.

Just as an aside as I heard the term Biefield-Brown effect noted (electro-gravitics thru charged capacitors) - there has been a lot of discussion is it about particle flow, ion wind and all that. I have done experiments during the 90's with high energy x-rays, using old style 50's transformers.. 110K volt output, dialable milliamps for the tube and all that.. An usual phenomenon I observed was with the high voltage wires from the transformer secondary to the x-ray tube. On turning ON the power, with a contactor on the primary of the HV transformer, the secondary lines spread a good two feet apart, jumped.

It wasn't the movement from a continual high current wattage traveling thru the wires like a magnetic repulsion from what I could tell, but a rapid pulse shot, a jump.. I never put an ampmeter on the cables to see the current, I just looked at the transformer primary current as an indicator of what was going through it. The insulation was about an inch and a half thick, and had a metal shield (electrostatic shield) on the outside, grounded. I don't know what type of material withstands that much AC going through it without developing pinholes. But that is what was observed. A jump when the HV was added. No present ion wind ever appeared on the cables. Only thing I can think of is some sort of Biefield-Brown effect between the HV, the insulation and the shielding braid.

[betweener]

further ideas and possible insights on craft construction (?)


http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/carr1.jpg
(Could you fit a Yurt into that ? )

in my sporadic researching of various things, it occurs to me that the initial frame for the cabin can be made out of a modified yurt frame, since (to the best of my understanding) a yurt frame has no magnetically active parts; no nails, no metal strapping, just wood and rope (traditionally, anyway). Thus, i would imagine that the cabin of the vessel (particularly in an Otis T Carr style or capsule/bell style flying saucer ?) can almost quite literally be made from a yurt of any size, having been fitted into or built around any style of engine.

another insight i had was for ladders and airlocks. In a multi-storied saucer, one could possibly use boat or pool ladders inside the cabins, since they would nominally be enclosed in a Faraday cage. For entrance and exit, i have the notion of a system of airlocks very similar to what is seen on the Millennium Falcon, and the tri-chambered airlocks of deep space nine (fictitious as they are ?).

http://25.media.tumblr.com/6103364d37c3a1129f6074defedfe921/tumblr_mv6uc4FKCV1rzu2xzo1_500.jpg

For the beginnings of the outer hull (provided that the wooden frame has enough spacing to house the engine parts?), it seems to me that the craft can initially be skinned in some sort of cloth or posterboard paneling to provide a barrier onto which soft bricks of sufficiently dielectric material can be pressed onto and mortared, possibly using modified drywall paste as an already available suspension medium to mix the barium and titanium powders into, although i would suspect that some grade of modeling clay would likely give better results via the process of becoming a ceramic.

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070217103320/starwars/images/1/1a/MillenniumFalconInterior.jpg < link to a deckplan of the millennium falcon. Warning - the image is HUGE !

Also, to the best of my understanding, at no point in the process of the wooden frame should screws, nails, or any sort of metal joinery or strapping be used, which may or may not create magnetic hotspots within the craft. Save that for the internals that are behind the Faraday cage of the cabin lining.

[ClandestineDisclosure]

Wiring the OTC-X1
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[ClandestineDisclosure]

OTC-X1 - A New Path Forward
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International virtual team of engineers to construct and test levitation - OTC-X1 Circular Foil Craft.

UPDATE: August 4, 2018: CNC machine shop (USA) has offered to assist.

UPDATE: August 6, 23018: I just received the below-listed videos in e-mail last night. It couldn't have come at a better time!

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UPDATE: August 7, 2018: one of the guys has reverse engineered Alexey's craft and has ordered parts to construct one himself. The parts will take a month to arrive; and, he's promising to share the results of his tests with us.

UPDATE: August 8, 2018: A new pod has been formed; and, a kickoff Project meeting has been scheduled next week to organize the project and assign tasks. Members are excited to move forward. The intent is to eventually open source everything. I'll post an update video next week at http://www.youtube.com/Search4TruthReality

http://www.ClandestineDisclosure.com

[Bill Ryan]

August 7, 2018: one of the guys has reverse engineered Alexey's craft and has ordered parts to construct one himself. The parts will take a month to arrive; and, he's promising to share the results of his tests with us.



How does it work? Is it a Biefield-Brown effect? (Seems impressive, at first sight. But it would have been nice to have seen it actually lift off the grass...! :) )

[Kindred]

After watching the third video, Z-M55XP3D4A
it jogged a memory about a reading of a contact that was made in about 1980 which was written about, and ultimately posted on the 'galactic server' site originally compiled by Col. Wendel Stevens. http://www.galactic.no/linkmap.html

The particular story is that of Janos: http://www.galactic.no/Janos.html

While the entire piece is well worth the read, the particular section involved the engine room of the craft (near the bottom of the page):
http://www.galactic.no/rune/janos2d.html

I personally suspect it is a combination of spinning high-voltage surfaces and spinning magnetic fields that create the 'anti-gravity', what the Thiaoouban's call the "cold magnetic force". As Alexey points out there needs to be a resonance between these two forces to operate properly.

Just the same, it must be noted that the Janos people had achieved a high level of Civilization prior to the catastrophe that befell their planet... thus, they were able to work together to address the problem, whereas we humans have Yet to work out our differences (which are Few) and stop killing each other. Another interesting parallel in the Janos story is that their planet had two small moons, one of which disintegrated and caused the cataclysm... the Thiaoouban's made the point that Earth also had two small moons in it's distant past, who's orbits eventually diminished to the point that they too impacted with the Earth, about 6 million years ago.

In Unity, Peace and Love

[ClandestineDisclosure]

August 7, 2018: one of the guys has reverse engineered Alexey's craft and has ordered parts to construct one himself. The parts will take a month to arrive; and, he's promising to share the results of his tests with us.



How does it work? Is it a Biefield-Brown effect? (Seems impressive, at first sight. But it would have been nice to have seen it actually lift off the grass...! :) )

Alexey has posted a new video, which answers questions, promises to deliver plans, and demonstrates it lifting off:
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The new Pod team met for our second weekly conference call, yesterday. We've reverse-engineered Alexey's design from his videos. Some of the parts we'd ordered last week, to duplicate Alexey's craft, have arrived. We're still waiting on more components to be delivered. When they arrive, the device will be assembled and tested and shared. The results of those tests will help us determine which design-path to take first. The overall plan is to construct test beds leading to the "final" design of an operational device; test it; have a body of retired engineer Fellows assess it / ensure it works / document the math et. al.; and, ultimately, release it to the public as open-source.

This has been the the intent of the pods since 2011, when I first got involved. Some people back then wanted to control it and the primary brain-trust of this project stepped away because of that.

Today, we have a new group of men and women who share the original intent to open source. My role has been to gather voluntary talent & donated resources and to facilitate forward movement of the project. All I've ever wanted was to see whether this design could work. If we prove it and release it, then can you imagine how paradigms may shift?

I remain hopeful and critically-minded. Thank you everyone who's offered to help. I look forward to sharing more information. On a closing note, I'll add: We are NOT part of To The Stars Academy and are NOT supported by any government entity.

~walter@clandestinedisclosure.com

[Bill Ryan]

August 7, 2018: one of the guys has reverse engineered Alexey's craft and has ordered parts to construct one himself. The parts will take a month to arrive; and, he's promising to share the results of his tests with us.



How does it work? Is it a Biefield-Brown effect? (Seems impressive, at first sight. But it would have been nice to have seen it actually lift off the grass...! :) )

Alexey has posted a new video, which answers questions, promises to deliver plans, and demonstrates it lifting off:
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Yes, he does. For anyone who wanted specifically to see that (skipping the Russian explanation for everything!), it lifts off at 22:30.

:thumbsup:

[ClandestineDisclosure]

I've been consuming a set of public documents and video presentations in an effort to wrap my head around some highly technical concepts shared with me by my team's lead engineer. I'm about ninety percent there; but, have more work to do. In the meantime, I've compiled documents and video presentations in one place for anyone to study on their own. The most important ones were provided to me by the lead engineer.

Thomas Valone - The History Electrogravitcs (an easy read - eye-opener for me)
Dr. Paul LaViolette - Reverse Engineering (start at the one-hour mark - a basic understanding of capacitors and high dielectric constant may help increase an appreciation for what he shares)
Boeing's Micheal Gamble - A study of Gravity (MANY clues in this one!!! - "TESLA Drive" - orthogonal relationships, which we plan to test)

Bill Ryan mentioned The Biefeld-Brown Effect. I wonder if his understanding was the same as mine before I began studying. If not, he would have been leaps ahead of me - good on him! I'm just catching up. Here's a hint: If all you're thinking about are lifters as the do-all of The Beifeld-Brown Effect, you may have been subject to the same disinfo I was - consider reading three items, above (linked on my website).

Other informative materials involve copyrights and aren't accessible from the Internet; so, I couldn't post them. Still, the three bits of information listed above should be enough to get you started. These three, along with T. T. Brown's patents and the results of our own testing that goes back to c.2011, and other information and knowledge not found in books, represents the root of our inspiration for our project. After studying and talking with these engineers for the past month, do you know what I've come to realize? Levitation is nothing new. There's more than one way to skin a cat, once you get past the games being played with Newtonian physics, science, and research. Whether we have it or not remains to be proven; and, we intend to do our very best to prove it; document it; and share our results with everyone.

I am optimistic for our project as my team moves forward; the first tests we'll soon be performing will be on Alexey’s device, featured in the video demonstrations earlier in this thread. In the meantime, please have a look at the information and notes I've posted on my website.
Levitation Device Project (http://clandestinedisclosure.com/project.html)

[Kindred]

Thomas Valone - The History Electrogravitcs (an easy read - eye-opener for me)
Dr. Paul LaViolette - Reverse Engineering (start at the one-hour mark - a basic understanding of capacitors and high dielectric constant may help increase an appreciation for what he shares)
Boeing's Micheal Gamble - A study of Gravity (MANY clues in this one!!! - "TESLA Drive" - orthogonal relationships, which we plan to test)

Bill Ryan mentioned The Biefeld-Brown Effect. I wonder if his understanding was the same as mine before I began studying. If not, he would have been leaps ahead of me - good on him! I'm just catching up. Here's a hint: If all you're thinking about are lifters as the do-all of The Beifeld-Brown Effect, you may have been subject to the same disinfo I was - consider reading three items, above (linked on my website).


I feel it that it isn't Just the 'Beifeld-Brown effect', but rather, a combination of this effect, in conjunction with spinning magnetic field(s). Stan Deyo describes exactly that in his 2005? presentation on 'anti-gravity'... it's a good refresher regarding some of the physics involved, and he comments directly about T.T.Brown's experiments and that all he needed was the magnetic vortex and that he'd have achieved 'anti-gravity' "in a big way".

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In Unity, Peace and Love

[Ernie Nemeth]

It seems that the more we come to contemplate levitation, it becomes rather obvious that this involves a misunderstanding in physics. Every reaction has an equal and opposite reaction, all things being equal, except for gravity. If this were actually so then gravity would violate the law of the conservation of energy.

New findings suggest the ether is involved in the process as well. By creating resonant cavities, either physically or in the form of static fields (probably could rotate) there seems to be a possibility that the counter force to gravity can become more relavent...

[ClandestineDisclosure]

Spin happens to be one of the conditions for up-coming tests.

[ClandestineDisclosure]

The team is making progress. We are seeking electrical engineer volunteers to assist with certain tasks. For specifics, please visit: http://clandestinedisclosure.com/project.html
thank you.

[ClandestineDisclosure]

There have been developments with the team since this video was produced, last week - some good - some nefarious (grr!); so, if you'd like to learn more, on Sunday, October 21st, I shall be informally presenting at San Diego MUFON. The address may be found on the San Diego MUFON website. Admission is free; but, please, patronize the restaurant to help cover the meeting space. We meet in their conference room at the back by the restrooms. Space is limited. Arrive early to be assured a seat.

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[ClandestineDisclosure]

Ralph and Marsha Ring lost their home to the Camp Fire - Paradise, CA. Please help.
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