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Arrowwind
5th October 2011, 22:31
Glutathione is now available in a patch administration. Glutathione is not just for Parkinsons but ALL age related disorders.

Watch the remarkable results in this video about a Parkinson's patient


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQRCpdcGwIU=player_embedded&noredirect=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDkkzILyZwM=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6qgniCT7Gw=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBFTre-Y1eo=player_embedded


So glutathione cannot be taken orally because the stomach acid destroys it. So what would happen if we made Lipsomal glutathione?

This is a site where patches can be purchased. 30 patches, a months supply is $77. Ouch.

http://glutathionepatch.co/ (http://glutathionepatch.co/)

Surely lipsomal administration would be much less expensive.

Here is a Dr Donsbach product of lipsomal vitamin c and glutatione
http://www.letstalkhealth.com/Symplex-C-32oz-p/601.htm (http://www.letstalkhealth.com/Symplex-C-32oz-p/601.htm)
still pretty spendy but I don't know how long a bottle is good for, that is, how many days of effective dosages it offeres.

DeDukshyn
5th October 2011, 23:09
Glutathione is destroyed in the digestive process despite claims -- good to see a patch delivery method. There is a pre-cursor that you can take orally that your body converts to glutathione ... It escapes me right now ... I'll do a bit of searching and get back, I should be able to find some peer reviewed research as well. I'll report back. later.

EDIT: I coudn't get the research info on glutathione itself, but I did get some info on the precursor, n-Acetyl-Cysteine. If you go here Link (http://aor.ca/html/products.php?id=141), and click the "Research" tab under "Product Details" (sry the tab is not linkable) you can read some of the benefits of Gutathione based on research. I do work for the company, but not selling anything -- we don't sell to consumers. I'll see if I can get more detailed info tomorrow.

DeDukshyn
5th October 2011, 23:40
Here's a bit more for anyone curious, on glutathione itself. No mention of Parkinson's here but clearly this is a multi-faceted compound with many benefits - so no surprise here.

"Reduced glutathione, which is also commonly referred to as GSH, is a molecule that naturally occurs in all human cells. It is tripeptide - a protein that is made up of three amino acids. The particular amino acids that make up reduced glutathione are L-glutamine, L-cysteine and glycine. Inside cells, glutathione can exist in two states - either a reduced state or an oxidized state. When it is reduced glutathione is a powerful antioxidant, able to quench free radicals throughout the cell. Once it has quenched a free radical GSH becomes oxidized and is rapidly recycled by the cell to produce more of the extremely vital reduced form. At any given time the large majority of glutathione in a cell exists in the reduced form.

This small molecule plays an enormous role in the normal functioning and protection of cells throughout the body. Its antioxidant properties are of particular importance. Inside cells GSH acts directly to eliminate free radicals throughout the cell and even on DNA itself. It also helps to recycle other key antioxidants like vitamin E and vitamin C.

GSH Deficiencies:
Many different conditions can impact the levels of GSH available in the cell; in fact, depleted GSH levels are a good indicator that something is wrong, and is a symptom of a number of diseases. Depeleted GSH levels have also been associated with the aging process.

Immune System Support
The cells of the immune system rely on sufficient levels of GSH to function properly. In people with impaired immune systems, levels of GSH in the cells decrease dramatically. For example, individuals with HIV/AIDS have very low GSH levels, which has been shown to negatively contribute to disease progression. In vitro studies have shown that low GSH levels both promote the progression of HIV as well as impair the function of critical immune system cells called T-cells. Research has also shown that HIV patients with the lowest GSH levels have a dramatically lower survival rate after 2-3 years than those with higher GSH levels. These results indicate that restoring cellular GSH levels can benefit individuals with HIV.

Cardiovascular Health
GSH levels are also significantly lowered in patients with myocardial infarction and in men with a family history of heart disease. GSH has been shown to improve recovery after cardiopulmonary bypass surgery - improving both kidney and circulatory function after the surgery. In addition to this, glutathione may improve circulation by causing vasodilation, likely through its ability to increase nitric oxide levels. In one study, glutathione was shown to improve vasodilation of small blood vessels in individuals with atherosclerosis.

Detoxification
In addition to its role as a direct antioxidant, GSH is also an essential cofactor for a large number of enzymatic reactions in the body, and is especially important for the detoxification process in the liver. GSH is involved in both Phase 1 and Phase 2 detoxification reactions, and is therefore critical to the body's ability to break down and eliminate potentially harmful toxins."

References
Herzenberg LA et al. Glutathione deficieny is associated with impaired survival in HIV disease. Proc Nat Acad Sci. 1997. 94: 1967-1972.

Usal A, Acarturk E, Yuregir GT, et al. Decreased glutathione levels in acute myocardial infarction. Jpn Heart J 1996;37:177-182.

Prasad A, Andrews NP, Padder FA, et al. Glutathione reverses endothelial dysfunction and improves nitric oxide bioavailability. J Am Coll Cardiol 1999;34:507-514.

Amano J, Suzuki A, Sunamori M. Salutary effect of reduced glutathione on renal function in coronary artery bypass operation. J Am Coll Surg 1994;179:714-720.

Kugiyama K, Ohgushi M, Motoyama T, et al. Intracoronary infusion of reduced glutathione improves endothelial vasomotor response to acetylcholine in human coronary circulation. Circulation 1998;97:2299-2301

Hagen TM, Wierzbicka GT, Sillau AH, et al. Bioavailability of dietary glutathione: effect on plasma concentrations. Am J Physiol 1990;259:G524-529.

Vincenzini MT, Favilli F, Iantomasi T. Intestinal uptake and transmembrane transport systems of intact GSH; characteristics and possible biological role. Biochim Biophys Acta 1992;1113:13-23.

Iantomasi T, Marraccini P, Favilli F, et al. Glutathione metabolism in Crohn's disease. Biochem Med Metab Biol 1994;53:87-91
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Arrowwind
9th October 2011, 16:14
People are now using glutathione in oral preparations in Lipsomal form. Dr Donsback has it mixed in his oral lipsomal vitamin c. I have heard some good reports on this product working much better than c alone for elderly folks.. www.letstalkhealth.com (http://www.letstalkhealth.com) Lipsomal vitamin c offers blood levels of vitamin c only previously attained though intraveinous therapy... so we are looking for the same result with gluatathione.

the lipsomal preparation coats the gluatathione in liposomes and that enables it to be transfered almost immediately thought the gut wall. We will see more as time goes by if this is for real.. it should catch on like fire if it is.

The good news about lipsomal vitamin preparations is that you can make them yourself at home for a tiny fraction of the cost. All you need is a sonic jewelry cleaning machine and the raw vitamin materials and lecithin.

to understand more about lipsomal preparations visit this site
www.livonlabs.com (http://www.livonlabs.com) click on lipsome science in their toolbar

DeDukshyn
9th October 2011, 21:47
People are now using glutathione in oral preparations in Lipsomal form. Dr Donsback has it mixed in his oral lipsomal vitamin c. I have heard some good reports on this product working much better than c alone for elderly folks.. www.letstalkhealth.com (http://www.letstalkhealth.com) Lipsomal vitamin c offers blood levels of vitamin c only previously attained though intraveinous therapy... so we are looking for the same result with gluatathione.

the lipsomal preparation coats the gluatathione in liposomes and that enables it to be transfered almost immediately thought the gut wall. We will see more as time goes by if this is for real.. it should catch on like fire if it is.

The good news about lipsomal vitamin preparations is that you can make them yourself at home for a tiny fraction of the cost. All you need is a sonic jewelry cleaning machine and the raw vitamin materials and lecithin.

to understand more about lipsomal preparations visit this site
www.livonlabs.com (http://www.livonlabs.com) click on lipsome science in their toolbar

I believe our company has plans for expansion in this area - we are always looking at novel delivery methods and are currently developing a line of products based on nano-emulsions for liqui-cap format. Curcumin is one we are looking at heavily because while it has vast health benefits, it's hard to get it into your blood. We are currently expanding our company a fair bit and if I am not mistaken I did hear the words liposomal delivery being bantered around along with the word "expansion" (but don't quote me ;-). I'll try to confirm this and if true, I'm pretty sure glutathione will be high on the priority list. We used to carry it orally but there is only one condition that actually may benefit from this (Crohn's) - so we discontinued it as people were buying it thinking it would work like the general research on glutathione indicates; our integrity demanded we pull the product altogether. Made many people unhappy. I'll ask the boss about the proposed expansions and if any of it sounds like it will be up this alley I'll give a shout back.

Arrowwind
9th October 2011, 23:28
Good DeDukshyn, the more people who have access to nutrients that really work the better... getting glutathione into people can make the difference between life and death.. Also remember that vitamin D3 is essential for anything to work absolutley right, including glutathione.

Sidney
9th October 2011, 23:33
I wonder if it would help with Lyme. I may have to do some digging. Thank you for this information!!!

Patrikas
10th October 2011, 00:38
I wonder if it would help with Lyme. I may have to do some digging. Thank you for this information!!!


Under the categories of diseases at Jim Humbles website on MMS he lists 4 protocols for Lyme
Link:
http://mmsanswers.org/index.php?option=com_wiwalphalisting&view=wiwalphalisting&cat_id=1:diseases&Itemid=2&start_index=L&end_index=

nearing
10th October 2011, 00:58
Arrowwind,

It seems as if those patches work in a different manner than regular transdermal patches that deliver medicine or hormones through the skin. They work energetically at acupressure points? So are they actully delivering glutathione to the bloodstream in a measurable way?

The liposomal one is $137/mth but that method seems to boost the blood glutathione level quantifiably?

I eat a lot of undenatured whey in the hopes of getting those precursors up but I'd love a better way.

Arrowwind
10th October 2011, 03:02
I cant really answer your questions nearing... I assume that the patches are put on acupuncture points to get assistence from meridians... I would like to read suzanne summers book to find out more.

I have a friend who uses Donsbachs product. He says it is much better than just plain liposomal c.

Only a blood test before and after could answer your questions... unless Suzanne Summers has more info in her book.

If I had lyme disease I would not count on gluatathaione. I would be doing enzymes and mms.

soulseeker
10th October 2011, 03:29
My father has a problem which the doctors haven't been able to figure out as yet. He is slowly loosing the ability to speak . He starts to stutter and has difficulty speaking the words.

He has had every test under the sun and the cause of the problem hasn't been identified as yet. Glutathione might be the answer as the elderly people in the videos showed an increased ability to speak.

I will do some research on the patches and might get them for him if they will help.

Thanks for the great info guys.

Dawn
10th October 2011, 03:51
Thanks Arrowind for the information about making liposomal vitamin preparations at home.

the lipsomal preparation coats the gluatathione in liposomes and that enables it to be transfered almost immediately thought the gut wall. We will see more as time goes by if this is for real.. it should catch on like fire if it is.

The good news about lipsomal vitamin preparations is that you can make them yourself at home for a tiny fraction of the cost. All you need is a sonic jewelry cleaning machine and the raw vitamin materials and lecithin.

This sounds wonderful and I researched how to do it on the internet. I thought I'd put the info here for others to use, although it is not known if this would work (or not work) for Glutathione.


(At Home Preparation is about 70% as effective as commercial preparations.) Plenty efficient for our purposes.

Our vitamin “C” liposomal encapsulation protocol is as follows:

Using a small (2 cup) Ultrasonic cleaner, (Item #03305, obtainable from Harbor Freight @ about

$30.00), we performed the following:

1. Dissolved 3 level tablespoons of soy lecithin in 1 cup of water (preferably distilled). Note:

This is key to being successful from the start. Mix the lecithin and distilled water in a

seal-able quart jar so you can shake/agitate until the lecithin is completely dissolved. You

don’t want any lecithin granules visible. Keep agitating until all granules are dissolved.

2. Dissolved 1 level tablespoon of ascorbic acid powder (Vit. “C”) in 1/2 cup of water.

3. Poured both solutions together in the ultrasonic cleaner bowl and turned the unit on. Using a

plastic straw (leaving the top of the cleaner opened), gently, slowly, stirred the contents. Note:

The cleaner will, automatically, self-stop about every 2 minutes. Just push ON button to continue.

Repeat for a total of 3 series (6 minutes). By that time the entire solution should be blended

into a cloudy, homogeneous, milk-like mixture. The LET solution is now formed. Tip: Pour the

dissolved Vitamin C solution into the seal-able quart jar with the dissolved lecithin and shake

briefly prior to pouring into the ultra-sonic cleaner. If you dissolved your lecithin first as

directed in the note above you will need to close the lid due to bubbling. Simply open the lid

frequently and give the mixture a quick stir before closing the lid again.

4. This protocol furnishes about 12 grams (12000mg.) of vitamin C product. At 70% encapsulation

efficiency, 8400 mg would be of the LET type. This solution will keep, acceptably, at room

temperature for 3 to 4 days. Refrigerated, it will keep much longer.


This information came from the following web link:
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1480584

Maknocktomb
10th October 2011, 04:24
Arrowwind,

Thank you for the post and information. My mother has Parkinson's, it has been hard to watch her deteriorate over the past few years. I'll be checking into this and letting my mom know. Hopefully she'll take it and I'll report back on the results.

Ol' Roy
10th October 2011, 05:21
Thanks ,Arrowwind for the info. I have a brother with Parkinson's fairly early stage, but has tremors in his hands really bad. He used to be a certified welder. He believes it's the fumes from the welding rods that may have caused this disease. Kind of like Agent Orange in the Vietnam Viet in the video. He is now disabled from his profession. Has had Parkinsons for about 5 years. Recently he was diagnosed with cancer on his vocal cord. Will have to have surgery and radiation treaments. Cure rate supposedly is 95%. hopefully Glutathione would help with that to.

Just wondering if the patches would work as dramatically as the IV's given to the patients in the videos.

Jay
10th October 2011, 05:57
Perhaps there is genuine benefit. The desperately hopeful and not so rich might like to research as much as possible as there appear to be many scams (just google "glutathione" and "scam"). If it wasn't so expensive I wouldn't wonder myself.
ALS for example (no known remedy) - found this:

The prevalence of Glutathione marketing online, associated costs, and misinformation has led us to warn individuals affected with ALS about this treatment.
There have been no drug trials or official scientific results to the benefits of this drug for those individuals affected by ALS.
The only evidence we can find that this drug is helpful is through unofficial sources and anonymous posts online; this is never a good sign and is often a strong indicator that the marketing is being promoted for the financial benefit of individuals online. http://www.alsforums.com/scamwatch/glutathione.php

Would like to see true, good news, evidence & experiences of this alternative therapy before investing. Maybe some personal insights from users out there who aren't affiliated with the business profit line.

nearing
10th October 2011, 06:33
Perhaps there is genuine benefit. The desperately hopeful and not so rich might like to research as much as possible as there appear to be many scams (just google "glutathione" and "scam"). If it wasn't so expensive I wouldn't wonder myself.
ALS for example (no known remedy) - found this:

The prevalence of Glutathione marketing online, associated costs, and misinformation has led us to warn individuals affected with ALS about this treatment.
There have been no drug trials or official scientific results to the benefits of this drug for those individuals affected by ALS.
The only evidence we can find that this drug is helpful is through unofficial sources and anonymous posts online; this is never a good sign and is often a strong indicator that the marketing is being promoted for the financial benefit of individuals online. http://www.alsforums.com/scamwatch/glutathione.php

Would like to see true, good news, evidence & experiences of this alternative therapy before investing. Maybe some personal insights from users out there who aren't affiliated with the business profit line.

Jay, dr. perlmutter is a renowned NeurologIst. It's well accepted by the medical community that glutatione is a very powerful antioxidant and detoxifier. And it isn't a drug, it is made by your body. Perhaps you should check out PubMed.

ThePythonicCow
10th October 2011, 10:07
This is key to being successful from the start. Mix the lecithin and distilled water in a

seal-able quart jar so you can shake/agitate until the lecithin is completely dissolved. You

don’t want any lecithin granules visible. Keep agitating until all granules are dissolved.
I've been doing this recipe, or something similar, for a while now. A search on this forum for posts with the word "liposomal" by myself should find my earlier posts on this.

I have found a useful change in the recipe, that reduces the separation.

The change is to rely on more time, rather than more shaking, to get the initial lecithin/water mix to mix well.

I put a cup of water and three level tablespoons of lecithin in a pint mason jar, and leave it in the fridge for a day (shaking just two or three times along the way.)

Then I am ready to blend the Vit C, half cup water and water soaked lecithin in the ultrasonic cleaner.

When I see that batch is getting low, I start a new batch - lecithin and water soaking overnight in the fridge.

I am getting less separation this way then when I tried lots of shaking of the lecithin and water, but over just a half hour time.

Arrowwind
11th October 2011, 02:28
My opinion is that if Dr Donsbach says that glutathione can be absorbed via lipsomal oral application I will trust his word. He has been impeccible over the years for promoting products that work and in his clinics he has has ample opportunity to try this product out

Glutathione is well studied and may articles can be found in pubmed and journals of clinical nutrition.

If I were dealing with cancer and healing post op I would use IV glutathione for a few infusions then switch to the lipsomal or patches... Patches have been around longer and you may feel more confident with that. Lipsomal vitamin c is also essential on a daily basis for cancer.

and just because trails of glutathione for ALS have not been done does not mean that it will not work... trials are typically paid for by pharmaceutical companies who have next to no interest in glutathione nor your health.

oddjob428
17th November 2011, 16:30
I use Lifewave patches and when using the glutathione for the first time, I noticed a distinct difference in my skin quality starting in the first month. My hands looked younger. The common misconception about the patches is that they are putting glutathione in your body which they are not. They are actually stimulating certain acupuncture points on the body so your body produces more glutathione like it did when you were younger. Think of the patches as technology rather than medicine. I am a distributor if anyone would like more info. They also make patches for energy, sleeping, pain, weight loss, stress, and a carnosine patch. Lifewave.com is the company's main site. If you sign up as a distributor, you can buy a 3 month supply of patches for $50 each. You can also make money selling the patches but I just buy them for my personal use. Msg me if you would like more info.

Arrowwind
20th November 2011, 03:17
The prevalence of Glutathione marketing online, associated costs, and misinformation has led us to warn individuals affected with ALS about this treatment.
There have been no drug trials or official scientific results to the benefits of this drug for those individuals affected by ALS.
The only evidence we can find that this drug is helpful is through unofficial sources and anonymous posts online; this is never a good sign and is often a strong indicator that the marketing is being promoted for the financial benefit of individuals online. http://www.alsforums.com/scamwatch/glutathione.php

Would like to see true, good news, evidence & experiences of this alternative therapy before investing. Maybe some personal insights from users out there who aren't affiliated with the business profit line.

Jay, please understand the glutathione is not well absorbed though the gut and hence a lot of bad products out there, or at least ineffective.. It must be given by IV and now there is hope with the lipsomal form as lipsomes are readily absorbed by the gut. Also transdermal is also effective but perhaps works in more energetic ways...
If I had active parkinsons disease I would start with an IV or two to see if it is effective at all. If it is then I would go about trying the other forms of application.