Steve Jobs, 1955-2011

[jackovesk]

http://content.video.news.com.au/NDM_CP_-_Reuters/18/1/Steve_Jobs.jpg

STEVE Jobs, the creative genius who co-founded Apple and recently quit as chief executive, has died after a long battle with pancreatic cancer.

Steve Jobs, the creative genius who co-founded Apple and recently quit as chief executive, has died after a long battle with pancreatic cancer.

Jobs, 56, was the innovative mind behind the iPhone, the iPad and the Apple Mac that together revolutionised computer technology.

He underwent an operation for pancreatic cancer in 2004 and received a liver transplant two years ago.

In August, after several years losing weight, he stepped down as Apple chief executive but remained chairman of the company board until his death today.

Apple said in a statement issued today: “Steve’s brilliance, passion and energy were the source of countless innovations that enrich and improve all of our lives. The world is immeasurably better because of Steve.”

According to Jobs’ family, he died peacefully surrounded my members of his family.

“We know many of you will mourn with us, and we ask that you respect our privacy during our time of grief.”

His family released a statement saying Jobs was a "visionary".

"In his public life, Steve was known as a visionary; in his private life, he cherished his family. We are thankful to the many people who have shared their wishes and prayers during the last year of Steve's illness; a website will be provided for those who wish to offer tributes and memories," the statement read.

Jobs started Apple Computer Inc with friend Steve Wozniak in 1976 in the family garage and the pair’s computer business was worth $US100 million in a matter of years.

Jobs left Apple in 1985 after a disagreement but was called back to lead the firm in 1997 to redesign the Apple Mac after the company was suffering difficulties with its products and marketing.

Since then Apple has gone from strength to strength with $US65.2 billion in annual revenue.

Jobs resigned in favour of his deputy, Tim Cook, in August.

Jobs's death came the day after Apple unveiled the new iPhone 4S at its headquarters in Cupertino, California.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/steve-jobs-dies/apple-founder-steve-jobs-dies/story-fn9t9liq-1226160012634

PS - Not to make lite of Steve Job's passing, but the 1st thing that came to mind is...

We often hear about Life Extension Technology, Cancer Cures, etc...

Yet the 'PTW Connected' Steve Jobs with all the $Money in the world is Dead at Age 56..?

Makes you wonder whether or not these technologies/advanced medicine/s exist at all..?

Just a thought...

[ThePythonicCow]

From http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/


Steve Jobs 1955-2011

Apple has lost a visionary and creative genius, and the world has lost an amazing human being.
Those of us who have been fortunate enough to know and work with Steve have lost a dear friend
and an inspiring mentor. Steve leaves behind a company that only he could have built,
and his spirit will forever be the foundation of Apple

[Caren]

Thank you Paul, this is the first I have heard - thinking of his family and friends. The world has lost such an innovative spirit.

[jcocks]

Didn't like the way he ran apple... But there's no denying he was a technological visionary. The world is definitely better off because of him, at least technologically...

[meredith]

RIP. Brilliant man. Didn't always agree with his business tactics but he ran the show like no one else.

[kouby]

This guy literally saved Microsoft when it was under scrutiny for monopolistic manoeuvres and gross abuse of it's dominant position. Apple is NOT a cute and trendy alternative to Microsoft, it is simply part of the game.Coke versus Pepsi if you prefer.

[Earth Angel]

maybe he should have tried drinking his own pee? ( just reading a thread here on the healing powers of wee)

[astrid]

“Here's to the crazy ones ~ the misfits, the rebels, the
troublemakers ~ the round pegs in the square holes ~ the ones who see things differently
-- they're not fond of rules. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify
them ~ but the only thing you can't do is ignore them ~ because they change things ~
they push the human race forward ~ and while some may see them as the crazy ones ~
we see genius ~ because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change
the world ~ are the ones who do”

~ Steve Jobs

[Referee]

He was just a Globalist. Brilliant but still a Globalist and a member of Bilderberg.

[modwiz]

PS - Not to make lite of Steve Job's passing, but the 1st thing that came to mind is...

We often hear about Life Extension Technology, Cancer Cures, etc...

Yet the 'PTW Connected' Steve Jobs with all the $Money in the world is Dead at Age 56..?

Makes you wonder whether or not these technologies/advanced medicine/s exist at all..?

Just a thought...

Doesn't selling your soul usually come with a collection date? He was a titan of industry. So is Gates. I do not mourn the soulless sociopaths passing from this world. This may sound hard or cruel but it is clear the whos and whats of the planets problems and he was one of the Elite. His proprietary designs made sure all profits came home to him and his company. The PC, headed up by Windows and Bill Gates looks like philanthropy by comparison with OEM designs that allowed you to optimize at the best price as quickly as the technology hit the market.

Please do not let the watchers for these ruthless scumbags see us show even the slightest of concern or compassion when one of these parasites finally draw their last breath. Let them know they have made it personal with their rape of our environment and hoarding of monies to the top one percent. They do not care about us anymore than what we can contribute to their bank and offshore accounts that they do not feel obliged to pay taxes on.

There is nothing to celebrate but neither is there anything to mourn. People like him would steal your intellectual property and try to sue you if you wanted a fair portion of your efforts. We are dealing with sociopaths and they eat our compassion for lunch. Probably a little sweeter than they like it though.

UPDATE:

Seeing how this post generated so much love I can only say:
Morpheus was/is correct.

[modwiz]

“Here's to the crazy ones ~ the misfits, the rebels, the
troublemakers ~ the round pegs in the square holes ~ the ones who see things differently
-- they're not fond of rules. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify
them ~ but the only thing you can't do is ignore them ~ because they change things ~
they push the human race forward ~ and while some may see them as the crazy ones ~
we see genius ~ because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change
the world ~ are the ones who do”

~ Steve Jobs

You gotta love the sheeps clothing wolves like to wear. Sociopaths are nothing if not endearing if they can be in control of which side of their persona gets revealed.

Those who get drunk on power get sloppy like any other drunk. We see that from time to time. The media acts as a firewall for the private stuff getting out.

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

Thankls for the reality hit Modwiz. Th thing that bothers me the most of all, how as soon as somone dies (no disrespect meant here, so apoogies in advance) everyone seems to exonerate that person for crimes them commited and let them loose, and it is not good enough.

So he was brilliant, but lets have a look at the iphone/pod/pad generation that he and gates had a massive hand in bringing forward. You can't dismiss the fact that apple has made billions of dollars, tracked our movements, and basically set us up for full on mind control through these products.

he had the change to user his power for good.

At this time where ordinary people are starting to become active and ask questions about who is responsible and what is happening in the world, lets not keep our eyes off the prize. This man is not to be celebrated (in my view).

How much tech do you think his greedy little hands have been sitting on all this time? think about it.
its unfortunate, but in my personal opinion, this is not a great loss to humanity.
Harsh view, but I am sure that we are all grown up to accept points of view.
PVM

[Darla Ken Pearce]

There is no comparing the innovative genius of Steve Jobs who was a "creator" in the same breath as an anti-human person like Bill Gates with his absolute monopolies and toxic vaccines all over the world but these are all judgments and labels that no longer can be applied nor are they valid. We must rise above them and move out of 3D constructs and duality now or never. It's time to do so.

It's a choice but unless we want to bring unhappiness and judgments into a new vista, we must move on and out of them now for our own wellbeing and progress.

As an old Mac Guru typing this on a Mac Air, I salute Steve Jobs and thank him for providing a great tool for my own work and passion. His contribution means a lot to those who loved him. Rest in Peace! xoxox

[nosgib]

The true definition of irony, in that he had a cancer that n60 of the revelations could have cured.
I tried to contact him but the wall that has been set up by the establishment; Blocked me.
Go figure.

[modwiz]

There is no comparing the innovative genius of Steve Jobs who was a "creator" in the same breath as an anti-human monster like Bill Gates with his absolute monopolies and toxic vaccines all over the world but these are all judgments and labels that no longer can be applied nor are they valid. We must rise above them and move out of 3D constructs and duality now or never. It's time to do so.

It's a choice but unless we want to bring unhappiness and judgments into a new vista, we must move on and out of them now for our own wellbeing and progress.

As an old Mac Guru typing this on a Mac Air, I salute Steve Jobs and thank him for providing a great tool for my own work and passion. His contribution means a lot to those who loved him. Rest in Peace! xoxox


I am all for RIP. No desire for vengeance, contributions noted. Full measure of the man (as best as can be done) taken though.

Your joy for your Mac is my joy. Blessed be, Darla.

[ViralSpiral]

Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it. Mark Twain





I love my http://www.ers-online.co.uk/files/products/images/th1630_apple-mac-logo1.jpg

[modwiz]

Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it. Mark Twain







I love my http://www.ers-online.co.uk/files/products/images/th1630_apple-mac-logo1.jpg
Is that what you are holding in your right hand? :p

Amen to forgiveness. It rewards the forgiven and forgiver.

[Robstar]

From one man and artist who has and depends everyday on a "Mac" computer to put food on the table and survive...
Thank you.

R.I.P. Steve Jobs

[ViralSpiral]

Is that what you are holding in your right hand? :p




Aye. In the other: mea culpa:p


hugs n tings

[learninglight]

i feel nothing for his passing....i feel for the people who have nothing...living shi te lifes struggling to get through this crap time here...i feel love and compassion for them; not this lucky soul who had everything and is even lucky enough to get the fk outta here before more sh ite hits the fan!!!!
I know i seem hard but im being honest

much love

[grapevine]

Thankls for the reality hit Modwiz. Th thing that bothers me the most of all, how as soon as somone dies (no disrespect meant here, so apoogies in advance) everyone seems to exonerate that person for crimes them commited and let them loose, and it is not good enough.

So he was brilliant, but lets have a look at the iphone/pod/pad generation that he and gates had a massive hand in bringing forward. You can't dismiss the fact that apple has made billions of dollars, tracked our movements, and basically set us up for full on mind control through these products.

he had the change to user his power for good.

At this time where ordinary people are starting to become active and ask questions about who is responsible and what is happening in the world, lets not keep our eyes off the prize. This man is not to be celebrated (in my view).

How much tech do you think his greedy little hands have been sitting on all this time? think about it.
its unfortunate, but in my personal opinion, this is not a great loss to humanity.
Harsh view, but I am sure that we are all grown up to accept points of view.
PVM

Without this guy and Bill Gates we would not be sitting here on this forum. If you really believe that we are all one and all connected then we are all responsible for what is happening in the world, good and bad, so let's not sit here in judgement.. It's such a beautiful day. RIP Steve Jobs and all the others who have died - and will die - today.

[jcocks]

I didn't know this about Steve, but apparently he was a new-ager like many of us, and had his wedding presided over by a buddhist. In the 1970's he went on a spiritual trek...

It's hard to know too much about the man, because he was a stickler for privacy... But lets not forget that, for much of its' existance, Apple really was a far second-place to the IBM clones of the world...
Hardly the NWO technology behemoth that it is (to a large extent) today....

I think what he really wanted to do was change the world, and there's no doubt he's done that. If there's mind-control in his ipods etc, its' no doubt because it HAS to be built into them - the controllers would not have it any different. A lot of interesting things tend to come out when people die. Lets' see what happens with jobs, he may just surprise us yet. I for one will not pass judgement on him just yet except to say he excelled where he was meant to, and I am sure that the private jobs was a far far cry to the public business jobs.

[astrid]

Ahh the irony.

Sorry but being an Aussie i have to draw ones attention to this part.
It's so easy to focus on the negatives, but beyond the dualistic veil, the view is a little different, sunny even.
After all its through these technologies that we are connecting, sharing, growing,

changing the world!!!

Sure they make the tools, ( and the money) BUT we are deciding
what they are used for.

Are we not??

You can use a knife to kill or to peel an apple...

Before my Mac i was lucky if i spoke to a single person in a month.

Love my Mac, love that we can change the world through a click of a mouse.

Take what you need, for the rest have compassion and forgiveness.

Its sets you free....

[New Dawn]

A few of the things said in this thread bother me. Avalon has changed into a paranoid joke that really isn't funny.

I can't be bothered to argue with idiots, so I won't quote.

R.I.P. Steve

[TheSwede]

He did have skills, controlling millions of people(consumers) into buying and loving overpriced products unconditionally =)

The man could sell a turd with an apple logo on it!

[cloudno7]

I usually admire people in this forum and i have been reading for over an year. But this is down right ugly what modwiz is saying

An elite ??? worked for his profits ???? See the man was almost an orphan, a college drop out, came to india for spiritual knowledge, a buddhist, a great visionary, he was fired from his own company, came back , he fought against IBM's monopoly ..... watch 1984 ad ....

Definitely none of you are capable of thinking better than him, technologically. Have you seen his stanford speech???

People are "blinded" by elite, ptb, ufo, etc .... not everyone is bad.... how do you know he is bilderberg member???? show the proof.... If his products are for mind control don't use them, goto some forest and meditate ...

Ohh man !!! this is sad :(

[sepia]

He did have skills, controlling millions of people(consumers) into buying and loving overpriced products unconditionally =)

The man could sell a turd with an apple logo on it!

Yes I bought apple-computers (several in the last decades) - none of them was turd -

It's great quality - I always loved them - and my life wouldn't be the same without them.

---

May I ask you: Have you offered the world any great stuff yourself?

(If the quality fits, people are even willing to pay money for it - and so you have the resources to invent further...)

[astrid]

Thanks Cloud, i forgot about that speech, it is for sure worth a post here...

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[witchy1]

Thanks Astrid. Excellent vid

[KiwiElf]

He did have skills, controlling millions of people(consumers) into buying and loving overpriced products unconditionally =)

The man could sell a turd with an apple logo on it!

Yes I bought apple-computers (several in the last decades) - none of them was turd -

It's great quality - I always loved them - and my life wouldn't be the same without them.

---

May I ask you: Have you offered the world any great stuff yourself?

(If the quality fits, people are even willing to pay money for it - and so you have the resources to invent further...)

Sorry Swede, I couldn't agree more with sepia on this - I have and will continue to buy/use Apple products and computers. If someone makes a better one, I'll buy that instead. If you want a Porsche then don't buy a Ford and delude yourself it's better. You still do generally get what you pay for.

(And before other readers are so quick to put down Jobs or Apple, the computer you're working on now - regardless of whether or not it's a Mac - wouldn't have half the features it has if it wasn't for Job's innovation and genius. Sorry, IMO his computers STILL leave every other brand in the dust.

I guess we Apple users enjoy never having to download the endless updates that WUNDOWs seems to need daily just to function at all, or the endless virus protection a PC also needs in abundance. Nuff said - RIP Steve - you made life better :)

[Shakespeare's Foot.]

Some of the comments on here are pretty vile. What is Avalon really becoming?

[bitworm]

Some of the comments on here are pretty vile. What is Avalon really becoming?

Hopefully not this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VovGr6CLKT4

[TheSwede]

He did have skills, controlling millions of people(consumers) into buying and loving overpriced products unconditionally =)

The man could sell a turd with an apple logo on it!

Yes I bought apple-computers (several in the last decades) - none of them was turd -

It's great quality - I always loved them - and my life wouldn't be the same without them.

---

May I ask you: Have you offered the world any great stuff yourself?

(If the quality fits, people are even willing to pay money for it - and so you have the resources to invent further...)

I'm sorry if I offended you're product.

To answer you're question(By who's definition?): In my own opinion; No, just as in Steve Job's case. In a way he brought more power to the bankers meaning he contributed in a negative way unlike myself. He also contributed to making people more addicted to consumption which is a negative thing for humanity.

Have a nice day!

[KiwiElf]

Some of the comments on here are pretty vile. What is Avalon really becoming?

Sadly a forum where some uneducated "opinions" seem to count more than facts, and with little (or no) research to back up their opinions - just more second-hand opinons based on more 3rd hand opinions. And that's an observation - not an opinion. :)

[astrid]

"Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life.
Don't be trapped by dogma - which is living with the results of other people's thinking.
Don't let the noise of other's opinions drown out your own inner voice.
And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition.
They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary."

~ Steve Jobs

[cloudno7]

" In a way he brought more power to the bankers meaning he contributed in a negative way unlike myself. He also contributed to making people more addicted to consumption which is a negative thing for humanity"

It can't be jobs mistake if bankers used him .... any product can be used by bankers ... that doesn't mean they are bad. Fight against the bankers not everyone. period.

not contributing to the bankers is n't great thing. If you we can eradicate banking that is something!

I don't understand what is meant by materialistic product??? should we stop using computers?????



He did have skills, controlling millions of people(consumers) into buying and loving overpriced products unconditionally =)

The man could sell a turd with an apple logo on it!

Yes I bought apple-computers (several in the last decades) - none of them was turd -

It's great quality - I always loved them - and my life wouldn't be the same without them.

---

May I ask you: Have you offered the world any great stuff yourself?

(If the quality fits, people are even willing to pay money for it - and so you have the resources to invent further...)

I'm sorry if I offended you're materialistic product.

To answer you're question(By who's definition?): In my own opinion; No, just as in Steve Job's case. In a way he brought more power to the bankers meaning he contributed in a negative way unlike myself. He also contributed to making people more addicted to consumption which is a negative thing for humanity.

Have a nice day!

[TheSwede]

He did have skills, controlling millions of people(consumers) into buying and loving overpriced products unconditionally =)

The man could sell a turd with an apple logo on it!

Yes I bought apple-computers (several in the last decades) - none of them was turd -

It's great quality - I always loved them - and my life wouldn't be the same without them.

---

May I ask you: Have you offered the world any great stuff yourself?

(If the quality fits, people are even willing to pay money for it - and so you have the resources to invent further...)

Sorry Swede, I couldn't agree more with sepia on this - I have and will continue to buy/use Apple products and computers. If someone makes a better one, I'll buy that instead. If you want a Porsche then don't buy a Ford and delude yourself it's better. You still do generally get what you pay for.

(And before other readers are so quick to put down Jobs or Apple, the computer you're working on now - regardless of whether or not it's a Mac - wouldn't have half the features it has if it wasn't for Job's innovation and genius. Sorry, IMO his computers STILL leave every other brand in the dust.

I guess we Apple users enjoy never having to download the endless updates that WUNDOWs seems to need daily just to function at all, or the endless virus protection a PC also needs in abundance. Nuff said - RIP Steve - you made life better :)

Now you assume things surrounding my statement about how skilled Steve Jobs is. I know for a fact Apple makes great products. Very overpriced if you look at the components that are assembled in the hardware(not to mention the cheap labor in asia) but still very great products.

[TheSwede]

I don't understand what is meant by materialistic product??? should we stop using computers?????

I totally agree with you, I removed the word "materialistic" to eradicate the confusion. I didn't understand the choice of word myself, haha =) Sorry!

[KiwiElf]

He did have skills, controlling millions of people(consumers) into buying and loving overpriced products unconditionally =)

The man could sell a turd with an apple logo on it!

Yes I bought apple-computers (several in the last decades) - none of them was turd -

It's great quality - I always loved them - and my life wouldn't be the same without them.

---

May I ask you: Have you offered the world any great stuff yourself?

(If the quality fits, people are even willing to pay money for it - and so you have the resources to invent further...)

Sorry Swede, I couldn't agree more with sepia on this - I have and will continue to buy/use Apple products and computers. If someone makes a better one, I'll buy that instead. If you want a Porsche then don't buy a Ford and delude yourself it's better. You still do generally get what you pay for.

(And before other readers are so quick to put down Jobs or Apple, the computer you're working on now - regardless of whether or not it's a Mac - wouldn't have half the features it has if it wasn't for Job's innovation and genius. Sorry, IMO his computers STILL leave every other brand in the dust.

I guess we Apple users enjoy never having to download the endless updates that WUNDOWs seems to need daily just to function at all, or the endless virus protection a PC also needs in abundance. Nuff said - RIP Steve - you made life better :)

Now you assume things surrounding my statement about how skilled Steve Jobs is. I know for a fact Apple makes great products. Very overpriced if you look at the components that are assembled in the hardware(not to mention the cheap labor in asia) but still very great products.

I'm making no assumptions at all and your "simplistic absolutist" argument could be applied - unfairly - to any high priced product. I'm not aware Jobs "controlled" anyone into buying his "overpriced products" to use your words. I think buyers use a thing called "free choice". Just because someone is "rich," or "successful" doesn't necessarily make them "materialistic" or "bad".

[TheSwede]

I'm making no assumptions at all and your "simplistic absolutist" argument could be applied - unfairly - to any high priced product. I'm not aware Jobs "controlled" anyone into buying his "overpriced products" to use your words. I think buyers use a thing called "free choice". Just because someone is "rich," or "successful" doesn't necessarily make them "materialistic" or "bad".

I totally agree with every word!

[sepia]

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The competition between apple, microsoft and others brought a great step forward in communication technology - and that was needed.

We all have lived in 'worlds' where communication was not depending from technology -
where information was accessible telepathically -

(You and me we haven't been on this planet always, where development is highly suppressed. We have been part of a universal community - and we are expected to grow and join it again.)

By using computer, internet, even by playing games to a certain extent -
we could be reminded to abilities we had in other times...

The mental activity has increased. - Not only for the good - I agree.
But we live in a world of polarity. And all created things are used for the good and the bad. -

The computer can help us to understand the functioning of the human mind much better. - I don't think this step forward would have been possible without the contribution of Steve Jobs among others.

Look at him with your heart and you will see a bright being who lived and died in dignity.

----

Or you look at all the negative side effects and point them out and miss the point completely.

Best wishes, Sepia

[Wiremu2011]

Makes you wonder whether or not these technologies/advanced medicine/s exist at all..?

Just a thought...

Exactly mate, I was telling my wife the same thing this morning when we first heard the news. With all that cash, you'd think he'd have sourced and paid for the ultimate miraculous 'shaman' cure or had "access" to ET technology whatever ... Who knows - it certainly made me wonder too for a moment, though nothing surprises me these days.

[astrid]

Maybe his time here was just up.

Simple.

[Lisab]

I love my Iphone. I think there be pixies in there! RIP Mr Jobs x

[MiguelQ]

I need to check his palm. To verify something.

[Bill Ryan]

Look at him with your heart and you will see a bright being who lived and died in dignity.


Exactly! Perfectly stated. Steve Jobs was a great being, and transforming the way we communicate in the cause of human freedom and creativity was his mission this lifetime.

He will be back... the job is not yet complete.

My best wishes to all - Bill

[Nairnia]

I guess we Apple users enjoy never having to download the endless updates that WUNDOWs seems to need daily just to function at all, or the endless virus protection a PC also needs in abundance. Nuff said - RIP Steve - you made life better :)

Lets not make this a Windows v Apple thing, there are plenty of computer forums who can argue that till the cows come home. You are obviously an Apple fan but spurting nonsense like that is kinda pointless and just ignorant.

I am not part of the Apple Cult, yes to me it is a cult, y'all drank the cool ade and cant see past it, fine. Jobs was a clever guy and Im sure pleasant too but lets see it for what it really is.

[KiwiElf]

I guess we Apple users enjoy never having to download the endless updates that WUNDOWs seems to need daily just to function at all, or the endless virus protection a PC also needs in abundance. Nuff said - RIP Steve - you made life better :)

Lets not make this a Windows v Apple thing, there are plenty of computer forums who can argue that till the cows come home. You are obviously an Apple fan but spurting nonsense like that is kinda pointless and just ignorant.

I am not part of the Apple Cult, yes to me it is a cult, y'all drank the cool ade and cant see past it, fine. Jobs was a clever guy and Im sure pleasant too but lets see it for what it really is.

Specifically what "nonsense" are you referring to? (And I also use PCs in my work). Do not assume to know anything about me - because you don't know me at all! I'm not part of any cult, Apple or otherwise, and it's your comments I find ignorant. I stated two shortcomings of the Windows platform that any user of both PC and Mac know only too well. Please, enlighten me?

[Spartacus]

He will be back... the job is not yet complete.


Yes, I can't imagine a creative and dynamic being like Steve Jobs putting his feet up on an icloud for too long. Thanks Steve for the change you have brought to the world. And thanks for my MacBook too.

I wonder if ETs ever come here and say, 'Wow, these guys are getting some pretty cool stuff. Erm...this looks familiar."

[jackovesk]

Some of the comments on here are pretty vile. What is Avalon really becoming?

Depends from which angle you look at it..?

ie: From a Mac Users point of view; From a PC Users point of view; From a Anti-NWO Globalist/Elite point of view; From a Humanitarian point of view;

Lets just settle for 'Freedom of Speech' & 'Honesty' point of view, whatever that may be..?

As for;
What is Avalon really becoming?

Avalonians like some others of the world have stopped worshipping 'False Gods' long ago..! Especially those with an Agenda, that beneath the surface is not in Humanities best interest...

ie: Children spending less time outdoors &/or with their family, Brain Cancer, Big Brother Tracking Technologies, Market Monopolies, etc, etc...

I don't know much about Steve Jobs, only to say everyone will be judged by their maker eventually..!

So lets leave it up to Him/Her shall we...

As far as I am aware Avalon is still a place where 'Freedom of Speech' is paramount, even though we occassionally have our disagreements..!

Now using my Honesty & Freedom of Speech, I am tiring of those who bag (Avalon the Forum) because they dissagree with what 1 or 2 others have said...

Think about it..!!!

[Lettherebelight]

Well said jackovesk. Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion on this one.

I'm sure everyone here at Avalon wishes Steve well on his onward journey. I think some people just want to draw a line under the reality of our situation.

Over the years, we have seen many bright sparks come and go. Edison, Einstein, H. Ford... the list goes on and on of individuals who have contributed to technological advancement. Like someone said earlier, flashes of inspiration have a divine source...they will always surface through humanity and amaze us.

The real sign of our advancement is how we utilize that technology.

And that, my friends, rests with each of us.

[Bongo]

I guess we Apple users enjoy never having to download the endless updates that WUNDOWs seems to need daily just to function at all, or the endless virus protection a PC also needs in abundance. Nuff said - RIP Steve - you made life better :)

Lets not make this a Windows v Apple thing, there are plenty of computer forums who can argue that till the cows come home. You are obviously an Apple fan but spurting nonsense like that is kinda pointless and just ignorant.

I am not part of the Apple Cult, yes to me it is a cult, y'all drank the cool ade and cant see past it, fine. Jobs was a clever guy and Im sure pleasant too but lets see it for what it really is.

Specifically what "nonsense" are you referring to? (And I also use PCs in my work). Do not assume to know anything about me - because you don't know me at all! I'm not part of any cult, Apple or otherwise, and it's your comments I find ignorant. I stated two shortcomings of the Windows platform that any user of both PC and Mac know only too well. Please, enlighten me?

actually the windows operating systems work fine without the updates, I never have the automatic updates switched on because they don't give a specific description to what they actually do, usually some small description about it being for security reasons... lol... could be anything they are putting on your system

[Bill Ryan]

“Here's to the crazy ones ~ the misfits, the rebels, the
troublemakers ~ the round pegs in the square holes ~ the ones who see things differently
-- they're not fond of rules. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify
them ~ but the only thing you can't do is ignore them ~ because they change things ~
they push the human race forward ~ and while some may see them as the crazy ones ~
we see genius ~ because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change
the world ~ are the ones who do”

~ Steve Jobs


Some more Steve Jobs quotes:






"You've got to find what you love."
"We're here to put a dent in the universe."
"Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life."
"Have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become."
"Death is very likely the single best invention of Life. It is Life's change agent. It clears out the old to make way for the new."
"Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose."

[9eagle9]

Did you know him personally Paul?


From http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/


Steve Jobs 1955-2011

Apple has lost a visionary and creative genius, and the world has lost an amazing human being.
Those of us who have been fortunate enough to know and work with Steve have lost a dear friend
and an inspiring mentor. Steve leaves behind a company that only he could have built,
and his spirit will forever be the foundation of Apple

[RMorgan]

Well, he certainly was a genius of his field.

However, he didn´t seem to care when several Chinese workers were committing suicide, because of the terrible work and living conditions, at FoxConn, a company that produces most part of the electronic parts for Apple products. Foxconn still produces electronics for Apple, and do you know what they did? They´ve installed "safety nets" around the FoxConn buildings. I doesn´t look a a humanitarian solution for me.

He also reinvented the meaning of "programmed obsolesce", creating products made to be disposable very quickly, not because they would stop working, but because Apple´s marketing strategy is so brutal, that once they launch a new version of a product, which is every year, everyone feels compelled to buy the new version, even if it´s technically just a bit different from it´s predecessor. This doesn´t look to good for the planet, right?

I mean, he could have launched the same version of the iPhone we have now, fours years ago, but he chose to put lots of features on hold, so he could introduce them in small doses, on each new version, and of course, sell a "brand new innovative" iPhone, every year, again and again.

Good design is made to last. If something needs to be upgraded every year, it´s because it´s not good design. It´s a deliberate incomplete product.

[TigaHawk]

Mixed feelings.

This is a man who ran a company - which has its trash and electronic waste dumped in 3rd world countries under the ruse that it's "second hand goods", and also actively participates in product obsiletion in all their products, meaning the product is DESIGNED to fail/die at around (preferably just after) the warranty date.

This man was the CEO of this company - he had every chance, oportunity, and the power to change things.

I see people call out and cheer on this man, saying he went on a spiritual trek to india and the such.

But what has he done for the world other than that?

Run a company, get rich, live the good life, yes?


Another man is dead. Allways sad for loss of life - but why the need for a forum post? It makes more sense for me for an Avalon member to post of the death of a relative than this bloke, an Avalalonian's post at least, means something to me.......

[Lettherebelight]

Fair points, RMorgan and TigaHawk.

I guess the best that can be said is that we wish him well in his onward journey toward the light.

And here's hoping that we all have the intelligence to use this technology wisely. The AI that is now becoming available to us through products like the I-phone 4S (the voice activated services of 'Siri', the 'humble personal assistant), is a sign of things to come. More than ever now we need to look beyond short term marketing goals, and together strive for a bigger, farther reaching vision of the future...something more than just getting the most out of our own experience.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Stay Hugry. Stay Foolish.


-Steve Jobs

[ThePythonicCow]

Did you know him personally Paul?
No ... I did not know.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

If I might suggest~

This thread was clearly started as a memorial thread. (Thank you, Jackovesk) Some of you are doing the internet equivalent of picketing a funeral. I don't question your right to free speech, I just think it is in very poor taste.

And Jackovesk, in reply to your inquiry about medical technology, I would assume that if such technology existed, it would probably only be available to members of certain factions, not just rich people or all captains of industry.

[RMorgan]

If I might suggest~

This thread was clearly started as a memorial thread. (Thank you, Jackovesk) Some of you are doing the internet equivalent of picketing a funeral. I don't question your right to free speech, I just think it is in very poor taste.

And Jackovesk, in reply to your inquiry about medical technology, I would assume that if such technology existed, it would probably only be available to members of certain factions, not just rich people or all captains of industry.

I´m sorry. I didn´t mean to be rude.

However, I don´t like the fact that every celebrity that dies instantly becomes a saint.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

However, I don´t like the fact that every celebrity that dies instantly becomes a saint.

Perhaps people want to focus on what is good about a life and celebrate that. I hope when I pass, people will remember the good things about me and let the rest pass. There is good in every human life, I believe.

[oceanz]

Makes you wonder whether or not these technologies/advanced medicine/s exist at all..?

Just a thought...

Exactly mate, I was telling my wife the same thing this morning when we first heard the news. With all that cash, you'd think he'd have sourced and paid for the ultimate miraculous 'shaman' cure or had "access" to ET technology whatever ... Who knows - it certainly made me wonder too for a moment, though nothing surprises me these days.

There could still well be but perhaps Steve Jobs "the creative genius of Apple" was denied access to such information.

I say this because one thing that springs to mind is the Samsung lawsuit against Apple on Patent rights worth trillions.

[DeDukshyn]

Another man is dead. Allways sad for loss of life - but why the need for a forum post? It makes more sense for me for an Avalon member to post of the death of a relative than this bloke, an Avalalonian's post at least, means something to me.......

I think the "news" value of it is worth something. I'll also say he did have many qualities that were admirable and using the symbol of his death to be inspired by those qualities is also useful - so I see some value there. My 2 cents ;)

[ketturah]

Makes you wonder whether or not these technologies/advanced medicine/s exist at all..?

Just a thought...

Exactly mate, I was telling my wife the same thing this morning when we first heard the news. With all that cash, you'd think he'd have sourced and paid for the ultimate miraculous 'shaman' cure or had "access" to ET technology whatever ... Who knows - it certainly made me wonder too for a moment, though nothing surprises me these days.

I believe he was diagnosed in 2003. He did have ALOT of medical intervention that probably is not available to average people. I know that normal people do not get organ transplants to treat cancer. The mother of a friend of mine could not get on the Liver transplant wait list because she had Hep C. The transplant just gave him more time...which alot of people in his position want but are denied. If you know about cancer, they give you 5 year survival rate. Steve Jobs lived 8 years possibly with stage 4 cancer, that is a miracle. It is just too bad we all can't have equal medical care in the US. RIP Steve Jobs....my thoughts are with his kids and wife.

[9eagle9]

Which is rather telling on it's own. There's no mysterious shaman cure, they all work from the essential design or rather attempt to work through where the design was tampered with and any 'secrets' that are so flooobered up in modern conditioning to be rendered useless anyway. And why those in the know about essential design and have perverted it to create an artificial matrix would offer it to Jobs is beyond me.

Pancreatic cancer is a physical expression found in people so driven by 'something' that in spite of lacking for nothing they can't seem to enjoy their beingness, their lives. No cure for that but a willingness to adopt healthier attitudes in one's self. A visionary, a success, but perhaps driving Apple wasn't doing him any favors, which is sad when one's life work does that to them....




Makes you wonder whether or not these technologies/advanced medicine/s exist at all..?

Just a thought...

Exactly mate, I was telling my wife the same thing this morning when we first heard the news. With all that cash, you'd think he'd have sourced and paid for the ultimate miraculous 'shaman' cure or had "access" to ET technology whatever ... Who knows - it certainly made me wonder too for a moment, though nothing surprises me these days.

[ThePythonicCow]

No cure for that but a willingness to adopt healthier attitudes in one's self.
Well said. Better health is available to all of us ... if we choose it. Steve Jobs' life was rather evidently focused elsewhere.

Odds are good, if he were offered a trip in a time machine to sometime several decades ago, and given a choice of achieving what he did, or instead of living to a ripe old age with a healthy pancreas ... he'd make the same choice again.

You don't buy health ... you choose it.

[Mad Hatter]

Having worked for both Apple and IBM the chalk and cheese difference was made apparent upon my first lifting the lid on the earliest MAC...

To the entire workshops astonishment we found the signatures of everyone who had helped it become a reality, injection moulded onto the inside face of the cover, which for me epitomised the nature of the thinking which made it what it was. Revolutionary. IBM on the other hand didn't (still doesn't) have a clue, which isn't very suprising since Micro$loth has a foot firmly in both camps. :cool:

Catchya next time round Steve, I know your going to love the possibilities Quantum Computing represents !!!

In the meantime I look forward to the potential your kids represent...

PS - Prolly too early, but the typical Aussie in me wants to know... Does this means all the people at Apple are now jobless :p

[truthman]

A lot of these posts make me shake my head in disappointment.

First of all, I don't believe a thing the MSM tells, so I'm skeptical about a billionaire with very powerful friends that have suppressed knowledge dying of cancer.

That is silly really. My first thought was the recent speculation about the destruction of underground bases.

Maybe he was there, explaining why he recently stepped down as Apple CEO. I believe he was in bed with the "elite", so they won't let him die even if he is clueless by trusting stupid doctors that only know about chemotherapy and drugs that only promote the billion dollar cancer business.

Cancer can be cured very easy with hemp oil. THC kills cancer cells. No form of cancer can survive that. Even brain tumors. That is one of the many reasons "marijuana" is illegal.

Changing your diet to organic and alkalizing the body is another. Raise your PH to 7 and the immune system will take care of the rest.

God gave us everything we need and naturally and free of cost we can beat any disease there is known to man if we have the knowledge.


Died of cancer? Sorry, I don't buy it.

[risveglio]

Thankls for the reality hit Modwiz. Th thing that bothers me the most of all, how as soon as somone dies (no disrespect meant here, so apoogies in advance) everyone seems to exonerate that person for crimes them commited and let them loose, and it is not good enough.

So he was brilliant, but lets have a look at the iphone/pod/pad generation that he and gates had a massive hand in bringing forward. You can't dismiss the fact that apple has made billions of dollars, tracked our movements, and basically set us up for full on mind control through these products.

he had the change to user his power for good.

At this time where ordinary people are starting to become active and ask questions about who is responsible and what is happening in the world, lets not keep our eyes off the prize. This man is not to be celebrated (in my view).

How much tech do you think his greedy little hands have been sitting on all this time? think about it.
its unfortunate, but in my personal opinion, this is not a great loss to humanity.
Harsh view, but I am sure that we are all grown up to accept points of view.
PVM

Without this guy and Bill Gates we would not be sitting here on this forum. If you really believe that we are all one and all connected then we are all responsible for what is happening in the world, good and bad, so let's not sit here in judgement.. It's such a beautiful day. RIP Steve Jobs and all the others who have died - and will die - today.

I don't know if I believe that. Jobs and Gates both did there share of stealing. Without them, we would still have these forums. Only difference is that an Apple would only be a fruit and there probably would not be really piss poor operating systems with bad browsers dominating the web.

[9eagle9]

At no point, I 'm sure did Bill Gates or Steve Jobs hold a gun to our heads and say "You will die if you don't have Microsoft or Apple"

Inconvienced perhaps but most people don't die of inconvience.

Consumerism is composed one half of those who participate in it or rather buy into it literallly So is the internet. There is a certain responsibility the consumer )or perhaps 'the victim'( plays in supporting these sorts of paradigms.

We can always say 'NO" to their product. Or at least be aware that our choices may be feeding an energy that perhaps we don't want to feed. So a bit of a shared responsbility there. We are not victims of Steve JObs or Bill Gates. Really we're not. If we are I think we should be addressing our own ''uhm" ...issues instead of blaming the collapse of society into base consumerism/materialism/ on those who found a slot and ran with it as far as they can go. If not for the consumer they wouldn't have gotten very far.


Yes?

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Died of cancer? Sorry, I don't buy it.

I didn't know Steve, but I live nearby and run in some of the same circles. All I can tell you is that Steve was obviously ill and became progressively so over the years.

[ViralSpiral]

“.. almost everything – all external expectations, all pride, all fear of embarrassment or failure - these things just fall away in the face of death, leaving only what is truly important. Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to follow your heart.”


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[Omni]

RIP Steve Jobs. I respect(ed) the man.

Can't say I respect the intelligence of every post in this thread though.... Am I really being called an apple cult member for liking apple computers because I've gotten zero viruses in 20 years, and it still actually WORKS after a year at basically the same speed???

Also I challenge whoever said apple makes productions that are made to break on warranty to back that up. I've had and used apple products since the 90's. Not a single one ever broke on me over the last couple decades.... And their resale value is very high. Can sell them for a lot compared to other products...

[Omni]

Doesn't selling your soul usually come with a collection date? He was a titan of industry. So is Gates. I do not mourn the soulless sociopaths passing from this world. This may sound hard or cruel but it is clear the whos and whats of the planets problems and he was one of the Elite. His proprietary designs made sure all profits came home to him and his company. The PC, headed up by Windows and Bill Gates looks like philanthropy by comparison with OEM designs that allowed you to optimize at the best price as quickly as the technology hit the market.

Please do not let the watchers for these ruthless scumbags see us show even the slightest of concern or compassion when one of these parasites finally draw their last breath. Let them know they have made it personal with their rape of our environment and hoarding of monies to the top one percent. They do not care about us anymore than what we can contribute to their bank and offshore accounts that they do not feel obliged to pay taxes on.

There is nothing to celebrate but neither is there anything to mourn. People like him would steal your intellectual property and try to sue you if you wanted a fair portion of your efforts. We are dealing with sociopaths and they eat our compassion for lunch. Probably a little sweeter than they like it though.

I never liked the man.

Riiiight. And he took 1 cent a year as CEO for apple because he's one of them. Really makes a lot of sense.... One of them, would take as much as they possibly could get in almost all likelihood. He was not part of (sociopathic)PTB imo. I could be wrong...


People like him would steal your intellectual property and try to sue you if you wanted a fair portion of your efforts.

Please show proof he did this.


This may sound hard or cruel but it is clear the whos and whats of the planets problems and he was one of the Elite. His proprietary designs made sure all profits came home to him and his company.

You mean he ran a business that, *gasp*, made profits? Really? I do not see a SLIVER of evidence there is truth to your words beyond this comment above, which is what every single dam company on the entire planet does as far as I'm aware....


Let them know they have made it personal with their rape of our environment and hoarding of monies to the top one percent. They do not care about us anymore than what we can contribute to their bank and offshore accounts that they do not feel obliged to pay taxes on.

Yes, a man who took 1 cent a year as his CEO pay of apple is totally a greedy scumbag.... :rolleyes:

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

Steve Jobs was a master of manifestation in this 3 dimensional world. He was a human being, like all of us, full of flaws and contradictions. He amassed enormous wealth on the basis of his vision and talent for creation. I see no evidence that he, himself, ever did anything but obsess over his first love, technology. His products represent a technology which may or may not have been coopted by the "elites", but the products DID bring the wonder, and power of personal computing to the masses. The logo is the apple, from the tree of knowledge, and we have all taken a bite.

[jcocks]

I'm sure that reality distortion field of his will come in very handy to TPTB in the coming times :P

[Bill Ryan]

“Here's to the crazy ones ~ the misfits, the rebels, the
troublemakers ~ the round pegs in the square holes ~ the ones who see things differently
-- they're not fond of rules. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify
them ~ but the only thing you can't do is ignore them ~ because they change things ~
they push the human race forward ~ and while some may see them as the crazy ones ~
we see genius ~ because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change
the world ~ are the ones who do”

~ Steve Jobs


Some more Steve Jobs quotes:





"You've got to find what you love."
"We're here to put a dent in the universe."
"Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life."
"Have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become."
"Death is very likely the single best invention of Life. It is Life's change agent. It clears out the old to make way for the new."
"Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose."




And this -- in full:





"Sometimes life hits you in the head with a brick. Don't lose faith. You have to trust in something – your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. I'm convinced that the only thing that kept me going was that I loved what I did. This approach has never let me down, and it has made all the difference in my life. You've got to find what you love. Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma. Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. Everything else is secondary."

-- Steve Jobs, Stanford Report, 2/3/05

[sidh25]

this is probably gonna sound crazy but iv gotta feeling steve jobs' consciousness chose to leave this planet before the coming economic crisis that would see his company fall which he had so lovingly nurtured back from the ashes. Would've been too much for him to handle. Atleast he got to see it off at its peak.

[ThePythonicCow]

On the matter of why Steve Jobs millions didn't buy him health - see this interview by Dr. Mercola of Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/10/09/dr-nicholas-gonzalez-on-steve-jobs.aspx), an expert in alternative cancer treatments:
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Transcript: http://mercola.fileburst.com/PDF/ExpertInterviewTranscripts/InterviewGonzalezOnSteveJobs.pdf
When you're wealthy and you're famous and you are diagnosed with a life threatening illness, conventional medicine comes out of the woodwork with their "remedies". Very few of us, unless we already had a "do or die" commitment to alternative remedies, would have the courage to choose such then.

[Limor Wolf]

Recieved by email from Giladro5 an Avalon member - "I think that we will all enjoy it if Moses will agree :)"

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[Seikou-Kishi]

That joke is awful, Limor. I love it :D

[Limor Wolf]

Well,you know,Steve Jobs was infamously known as a genius,corrupt,creative,a troublemaker,visionary,villain,brilliant,crazy, innovative,globalist, and all those adjectives appear in this thread only...surely he deserves a good joke :-)

[Bill Ryan]

Look at him with your heart and you will see a bright being who lived and died in dignity.


Exactly! Perfectly stated. Steve Jobs was a great being, and transforming the way we communicate in the cause of human freedom and creativity was his mission this lifetime.

He will be back... the job is not yet complete.

My best wishes to all - Bill

Nearly 4 years after this post of mine (which was in October 2011), I'm now adding to it on record. I've been reading the most excellent biography of Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs_%28book%29

Like all good biographies, it was (a) authorized by Jobs himself, who asked Isaacson to write it when he realized he was unlikely to live very long, and (b) Isaacson was given free rein (including by Jobs himself) to interview in detail many hundreds of people who knew him well, even intimately, and had worked with him, almost as intimately. The result is as deep a study of the man as we're ever likely to see.

Jobs was a brilliant, intuitive, visionary technologist, and cared deeply about the aesthetic appearance (and functionality) of everything Apple produced. I've always used Apple products, and always will.

But it's also clear he was an a**hole of considerable magnitude, was frequently insufferable and cruel, sometimes lied, was almost certainly somewhere on the autistic spectrum, and was basically a dysfunctional, narcissistic sociopath. The biography is very revealing. What is also revealing is that, somehow, and despite their bruises, many people never stopped loving him... not because of his strengths, but despite all his flaws.

[mgray]

My wife, who was a schoolteacher on Long Island, NY for over 20 years has a theory that autism or better yet people on the spectrum are not ill, but part of an evolutionary change. The autistic people that are higher functioning in more areas will become the norm in future generations. She posited this many years ago as more and more children were diagnosed as being on the spectrum in her classes.

Feel free to break this put into a new thread if you think it is too off topic.

[WhiteLove]

I found this video containing important information about "true wealth" vs. "false wealth".

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[ExomatrixTV]

Steve Jobs: How His Brilliance Killed Him

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[Bill Ryan]

Also see these interesting threads:


Steve Jobs - The Lost Interview (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93571-Steve-Jobs-The-Lost-Interview)



"Oh wow. Oh wow. Oh wow." Steve Jobs' last words, with his family surrounding him (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33690-Oh-wow.-Oh-wow.-Oh-wow.-Steve-Jobs-last-words-with-his-family-surrounding-him)

[lake]

In this movie (a movie not a documentary) neither Jobs or Gates is actually portrayed as 'nice'!

Just thought to add it, if it is not already in the thread?

Pirates of Silicon Valley is a 1999 American biographical drama television film directed by Martyn Burke and starring Noah Wyle as Steve Jobs and Anthony Michael Hall as Bill Gates. Spanning the years 1971–1997 and based on Paul Freiberger and Michael Swaine's 1984 book Fire in the Valley: The Making of the Personal Computer, it explores the impact that the rivalry between Jobs (Apple Computer) and Gates (Microsoft) had on the development of the personal computer. The film premiered on TNT on June 20, 1999


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[Mashika]

In this movie (a movie not a documentary) neither Jobs or Gates is actually portrayed as 'nice'!

Just thought to add it, if it is not already in the thread?

Pirates of Silicon Valley is a 1999 American biographical drama television film directed by Martyn Burke and starring Noah Wyle as Steve Jobs and Anthony Michael Hall as Bill Gates. Spanning the years 1971–1997 and based on Paul Freiberger and Michael Swaine's 1984 book Fire in the Valley: The Making of the Personal Computer, it explores the impact that the rivalry between Jobs (Apple Computer) and Gates (Microsoft) had on the development of the personal computer. The film premiered on TNT on June 20, 1999



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I met Bill Gates once, as a teenager. He wasn't nice, he knew things and "knowing things" is not equal to "being wise" as far as i understand it

Instead, he looked a me with very piercing eyes, and i supposed he had previously looked at my education profile, since he (or someone he trusts) reviews very carefully who he want's to interact with. Anyway, he was very direct and hard and asked a few technical questions about things i was supposed to know, but being very nice about it actually, just a very hard question with a smile and kind words. Then he looks into your eyes like a monster expecting you to show weakness and fail to defend yourself so he can eat your soul alive

And then i answered the best i could and he looked at me and said "well you are smart, but you don't know how to get the best out of it". And that was it, i was no material for the very much corrupt world he lives on day by day. Turns out, as i get it now, i was not there to meet and understand him so i could get a good experience in life. No, i was there "interviewing" myself :) And he was there just wondering if i would pass my own test and then maybe do something with me in the future. Yeah, that's how it works actually

Bill Gates is an amazingly smart person, you would not believe it. Hard to find a way around his eyes and pretend to know something you don't know, he will call you on it like just there, and there's no escaping it. IF you say something 'smarty' trying to escape his judgment, he knows, and he will use it against you immediately, he's actually hoping you will make that one mistake

Also he could not care less about you, he will eat your energy and wishes right out of your own mouth as you speak, and then look down on you once he has found a flaw or weak point. It's all a game for him, he sees the entire humanity and world as a game and pieces made out of human souls. Long ago he upgraded from playing games on his table to playing games on "his earth"

ETA: Also, to prove his ways, in a very arrogant but earned way, he asks you a single question, that requires at least 3 separate answers.

He is mapping your brain, seeing how far you can go with three different subjects at once, and get a quick answer to all of them, while all of it being related to the original question. So "think fast, think smart" because you can only answer once and get a single reply to three separate questions encoded into a single one.

You must correlate all answers into a single one, so compact that it's 'genial' and solves all issues at once, almost like 'taking three birds out with a single stone'.

That's pretty much it :)

[Mike]

In this movie (a movie not a documentary) neither Jobs or Gates is actually portrayed as 'nice'!

Just thought to add it, if it is not already in the thread?

Pirates of Silicon Valley is a 1999 American biographical drama television film directed by Martyn Burke and starring Noah Wyle as Steve Jobs and Anthony Michael Hall as Bill Gates. Spanning the years 1971–1997 and based on Paul Freiberger and Michael Swaine's 1984 book Fire in the Valley: The Making of the Personal Computer, it explores the impact that the rivalry between Jobs (Apple Computer) and Gates (Microsoft) had on the development of the personal computer. The film premiered on TNT on June 20, 1999



https://iffyfoo.com/uploads/video/docu/PIRATES%20OF%20SILICON%20VALLEY.mp4

I met Bill Gates once, as a teenager. He wasn't nice, he knew things and "knowing things" is not equal to "being wise" as far as i understand it

Instead, he looked a me with very piercing eyes, and i supposed he had previously looked at my education profile, since he (or someone he trusts) reviews very carefully who he want's to interact with. Anyway, he was very direct and hard and asked a few technical questions about things i was supposed to know, but being very nice about it actually, just a very hard question with a smile and kind words. Then he looks into your eyes like a monster expecting you to show weakness and fail to defend yourself so he can eat your soul alive

And then i answered the best i could and he looked at me and said "well you are smart, but you don't know how to get the best out of it". And that was it, i was no material for the very much corrupt world he lives on day by day. Turns out, as i get it now, i was not there to meet and understand him so i could get a good experience in life. No, i was there "interviewing" myself :) And he was there just wondering if i would pass my own test and then maybe do something with me in the future. Yeah, that's how it works actually

Bill Gates is an amazingly smart person, you would not believe it. Hard to find a way around his eyes and pretend to know something you don't know, he will call you on it like just there, and there's no escaping it. IF you say something 'smarty' trying to escape his judgment, he knows, and he will use it against you immediately, he's actually hoping you will make that one mistake

Also he could not care less about you, he will eat your energy and wishes right out of your own mouth as you speak, and then look down on you once he has found a flaw or weak point. It's all a game for him, he sees the entire humanity and world as a game and pieces made out of human souls. Long ago he upgraded from playing games on his table to playing games on "his earth"

ETA: Also, to prove his ways, in a very arrogant but earned way, he asks you a single question, that requires at least 3 separate answers.

He is mapping your brain, seeing how far you can go with three different subjects at once, and get a quick answer to all of them, while all of it being related to the original question. So "think fast, think smart" because you can only answer once and get a single reply to three separate questions encoded into a single one.

You must correlate all answers into a single one, so compact that it's 'genial' and solves all issues at once, almost like 'taking three birds out with a single stone'.

That's pretty much it :)



It's not too difficult to play that game when you're in a position of power. In a way, the power does all the work for you. You just have to smile enigmatically and appear mildly amused at the answers coming from the employee, or interviewee, or whoever the low man or woman on the totem pole is, and they'll usually wilt. In situations like that with such heirarchical discrepancy, you're battling power and reputation more than the actual person. And who has more power and reputation than Gates? But he's so unaccustomed to people challenging him that I bet you would have shocked the sh!t out of him had you gone outside the script a little:)

When Gates is outside his comfort zone, and is just the subject of an interview and not necessarily weilding authority over anyone, he's a bit clumsy and awkward..especially when things go off script a little. Not too quick on his feet. This short video is pretty revealing:
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[Gemma13]

ETA: Also, to prove his ways, in a very arrogant but earned way, he asks you a single question, that requires at least 3 separate answers.

He is mapping your brain, seeing how far you can go with three different subjects at once, and get a quick answer to all of them, while all of it being related to the original question. So "think fast, think smart" because you can only answer once and get a single reply to three separate questions encoded into a single one.

You must correlate all answers into a single one, so compact that it's 'genial' and solves all issues at once, almost like 'taking three birds out with a single stone'.

That's pretty much it :)

Could have been testing for Fluid Intelligence.  My understanding is that it is the most sought after Intelligence... in the universe.

[Mashika]

ETA: Also, to prove his ways, in a very arrogant but earned way, he asks you a single question, that requires at least 3 separate answers.

He is mapping your brain, seeing how far you can go with three different subjects at once, and get a quick answer to all of them, while all of it being related to the original question. So "think fast, think smart" because you can only answer once and get a single reply to three separate questions encoded into a single one.

You must correlate all answers into a single one, so compact that it's 'genial' and solves all issues at once, almost like 'taking three birds out with a single stone'.

That's pretty much it :)

Could have been testing for Fluid Intelligence.  My understanding is that it is the most sought after Intelligence... in the universe.

Possibly. There is also a very odd thing both about Apple and Microsoft, like the cultish stuff going on. Some years later after i went to that "Meet Bill Gates" event, i got an email from Microsoft, it was a job interview offer, this email came at the end of 2018 and the interview was setup for 2019, at which time i was supposed to graduate. However they did not know i got delayed and would only graduate until 2021, two years later. It made me feel very odd, the email came at the correct time i would be ready to graduate, if i had not had health issues, so they had me on a "future candidates" list?

How many other people are on those lists? It's like they look into people and set them up for interviews years ahead. Are those events when you get to meet the top guy and listen to him talk and all that are actually talent scout events? Almost feels like grooming somehow, if that's how they select some particular people to join, instead of letting apply on their own if they want to :/

I wondered if they have preselected positions for people on those lists, and those positions are not open for people who apply for a job on their own, or if it's actually not even a real Job at Microsoft but instead you end up working for Bill Gates at his foundation, it just seems so shady to me, the way i was being recruited

I remember a friend who went to work at Apple and he changed completely. Like he was not the same person, his attitude changed, he talked different, he was a different person after 6 months. It did felt like he was brainwashed somehow and he turned us away from his life, he had "new friends" by then, all of them Apple employees and we were not cool anymore, he was 'on a different level'

[Mashika]

In this movie (a movie not a documentary) neither Jobs or Gates is actually portrayed as 'nice'!

Just thought to add it, if it is not already in the thread?

Pirates of Silicon Valley is a 1999 American biographical drama television film directed by Martyn Burke and starring Noah Wyle as Steve Jobs and Anthony Michael Hall as Bill Gates. Spanning the years 1971–1997 and based on Paul Freiberger and Michael Swaine's 1984 book Fire in the Valley: The Making of the Personal Computer, it explores the impact that the rivalry between Jobs (Apple Computer) and Gates (Microsoft) had on the development of the personal computer. The film premiered on TNT on June 20, 1999



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I met Bill Gates once, as a teenager. He wasn't nice, he knew things and "knowing things" is not equal to "being wise" as far as i understand it

Instead, he looked a me with very piercing eyes, and i supposed he had previously looked at my education profile, since he (or someone he trusts) reviews very carefully who he want's to interact with. Anyway, he was very direct and hard and asked a few technical questions about things i was supposed to know, but being very nice about it actually, just a very hard question with a smile and kind words. Then he looks into your eyes like a monster expecting you to show weakness and fail to defend yourself so he can eat your soul alive

And then i answered the best i could and he looked at me and said "well you are smart, but you don't know how to get the best out of it". And that was it, i was no material for the very much corrupt world he lives on day by day. Turns out, as i get it now, i was not there to meet and understand him so i could get a good experience in life. No, i was there "interviewing" myself :) And he was there just wondering if i would pass my own test and then maybe do something with me in the future. Yeah, that's how it works actually

Bill Gates is an amazingly smart person, you would not believe it. Hard to find a way around his eyes and pretend to know something you don't know, he will call you on it like just there, and there's no escaping it. IF you say something 'smarty' trying to escape his judgment, he knows, and he will use it against you immediately, he's actually hoping you will make that one mistake

Also he could not care less about you, he will eat your energy and wishes right out of your own mouth as you speak, and then look down on you once he has found a flaw or weak point. It's all a game for him, he sees the entire humanity and world as a game and pieces made out of human souls. Long ago he upgraded from playing games on his table to playing games on "his earth"

ETA: Also, to prove his ways, in a very arrogant but earned way, he asks you a single question, that requires at least 3 separate answers.

He is mapping your brain, seeing how far you can go with three different subjects at once, and get a quick answer to all of them, while all of it being related to the original question. So "think fast, think smart" because you can only answer once and get a single reply to three separate questions encoded into a single one.

You must correlate all answers into a single one, so compact that it's 'genial' and solves all issues at once, almost like 'taking three birds out with a single stone'.

That's pretty much it :)



It's not too difficult to play that game when you're in a position of power. In a way, the power does all the work for you. You just have to smile enigmatically and appear mildly amused at the answers coming from the employee, or interviewee, or whoever the low man or woman on the totem pole is, and they'll usually wilt. In situations like that with such heirarchical discrepancy, you're battling power and reputation more than the actual person. And who has more power and reputation than Gates? But he's so unaccustomed to people challenging him that I bet you would have shocked the sh!t out of him had you gone outside the script a little:)

When Gates is outside his comfort zone, and is just the subject of an interview and not necessarily weilding authority over anyone, he's a bit clumsy and awkward..especially when things go off script a little. Not too quick on his feet. This short video is pretty revealing:
79ExQWKb2vA

"Is there a lesson, for you? For anyone else looking at this?
Well , he’s dead so.. in general you always have to be careful"

The guy in the video said "The answer does not logically correspond to what she asked him" but i don't see that, i think it perfectly corresponds and it's the most logical answer

The message is clear "You mess up, you die"

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I met Bill Gates once, as a teenager. He wasn't nice, he knew things and "knowing things" is not equal to "being wise" as far as i understand it

Nope, it absolutely isn't.


It's like they look into people and set them up for interviews years ahead.

Which is the most damning take away for me from the Bill Gates interview video. He knows things. ALL THINGS about those with whom he associates.

As the analyst points out, when he's asked the question, "what did you know about Epstein when you met with him"? he dodges the question. Plays completely dumb on the matter.

Are we expected to believe that Bill Gates didn't know every single tiny little thing about Epstein, a potential business partner, prior to having dinner(s) with him? And I mean, absolutely every single thing about his professional past, his personal past, all prior business dealings and business associates, his various liaisons and connections, his capital worth probably down to the penny – every nuance, every detail. Are we to believe that, with the resources he undoubtedly has, he failed somehow to find out he was a sex trafficker, a card-carrying member of a celebrity sex-cult, a child-pimp, and pervert extraordinaire??

How about his trip on the Lolita Express? He just didn't know the plane's destination when he climbed onboard?

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