Occupy WallStreet EXPOSED.

[ktlight]

"WellAware1.com for the truth.

It doesn't take much to spot a fake drill like this one, but for those of you who are new to this, I present you with some evidence that cannot be overlooked. Combine that with a little common sense and thats all she wrote."

BeO3L5EFfBo

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Very interesting statements...

From EDWARD L CHIARINI JR aka DallasGoldBug bio on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/dallasgoldbug):


(...)Ed currently lives in Dallas, having attended The University of the Arts in his hometown of Philadelphia. For the past 18 years he has worked with companies such as Landmark Graphics (a Halliburton Company), Ashford.com, Exxon Mobile, Asurion.com, Compaq IPaq, The Houstonian, Wildcat Golf Club, The Redstone Group, Disney, Ambrosi West Coast, Black Dot Group, Savage Design, and Neiman Marcus and many more.(...)

So occupywallst.org and other occupysomething websites is police drill too?

Deletions/absence of entryies in police radio commuincations database (is this webpage maintained by police or some radioamateurs scanning police frequency?) could be for many reasons. How do you know that drills are not archived? How do you know that drills are over same frequency as regular patrols?

"POLICE" written on the asphalt could be for marking the place of the real police blockade.

C'mon Ed, what's your problem? Have you actually been to NYC to see for yourself? How many videos have you analyzed? You write you are interested in PSYOP. From the perspective of the receiver or the transmitter? You say you have a free energy patent under your belt. And you are still alive? Interesting...

As usualy... i might be wrong :(

[spiritguide]

Now the selling begins, many interests are going to either debunk or use this issue to confuse the situation at hand. Follow your heart and intuition and let your inner guidance system tell you from within. If 80% of the people are not comfortable with the present situation (state of government),then surely the truth lies somewhere within.

:peace:

[Unified Serenity]

The problem with occupy wallstreet is they have no real cause. There is no point. They are down there just to be down there. They are frustrated that they missed the 1960's, oh wait there were some 60's throwbacks with yellow bags on them saying something about "grannies....", and want to have something to protest. Just wait another day or two and the media mouthpieces will give them a worthy message. yes, a thousand people at a protest, and they yell so it must be a major movement. They stink (literally), they litter all over the place and when interviewed cannot cogently discuss what their issues are beyond corporate greed. 99% love Obama and do not even see that he is just a much a player in this as any other leading politicians. Now the Unions are offering their support. It's a build up for anarchy, and they want to create a firestorm and mayhem, thus Order our of Chaos. Distract the people and don't see what is really going on elsewhere.

Compare this to the hundreds of thousands in the Teaparty who have been protesting and how the media has maligned their actual message. Watch the interviews of those at the Teaparty protests and they know why they are there, they have lots of issues to talk about, and they leave the grounds cleaner when they leave than they were when they arrived. Oh, and of course the Unions set up counter protests against the Teaparty. Why, cause they want all those stimulus dollars and Teaparty types will get in their way.

This is just more drama for the masses. The clock is still ticking and nothing is changing.

[13th Warrior]

"WellAware1.com for the truth.

It doesn't take much to spot a fake drill like this one, but for those of you who are new to this, I present you with some evidence that cannot be overlooked. Combine that with a little common sense and thats all she wrote."

BeO3L5EFfBo

This video reeks of total disinfo...

Come on, NYPD policies dictate that they don't use pepper spray on crowds...we are expected to believe that statement?

The audio evidence provided is completely useless and inconclusive.

I would ascertain that the use of the word 'parade" is in reference to the groups marching in "the street" as a parade would do and has no basis as support for this "drill theory".

[RMorgan]

The problem with occupy wallstreet is they have no real cause. There is no point. They are down their just to be down there. They are frustrated that they missed the 1960's, oh wait there were some 60's throwbacks with yellow bags on them saying something about "grannies....", and want to have something to protest. Just wait another day or two and the media mouthpieces will give them a worthy message. yes, a thousand people at a protest, and they yell so it must be a major movement. They stink (literally), they litter all over the place and when interviewed cannot cogently discuss what their issues are beyond corporate greed. 99% love Obama and do not even see that he is just a much a player in this as any other leading politicians. Now the Unions are offering their support. It's a build up for anarchy, and they want to create a firestorm and mayhem, thus Order our of Chaos. Distract the people and don't see what is really going on elsewhere.

Compare this to the hundreds of thousands in the Teaparty who have been protesting and how the media has maligned their actual message. Watch the interviews of those at the Teaparty protests and they know why they are there, they have lots of issues to talk about, and they leave the grounds cleaner when they leave than they were when they arrived. Oh, and of course the Unions set up counter protests against the Teaparty. Why, cause they want all those stimulus dollars and Teaparty types will get in their way.

This is just more drama for the masses. The clock is still ticking and nothing is changing.

Yes. They have demands:

http://dailybail.com/home/website-for-voting-on-demands-for-occupy-wall-street.html

Cheers,

Raf.

[Apofay]

Compare this to the hundreds of thousands in the Teaparty who have been protesting and how the media has maligned their actual message. Watch the interviews of those at the Teaparty protests and they know why they are there, they have lots of issues to talk about, and they leave the grounds cleaner when they leave than they were when they arrived. Oh, and of course the Unions set up counter protests against the Teaparty. Why, cause they want all those stimulus dollars and Teaparty types will get in their way.
.

Being in Madison, I saw the counter protests the Tea Party brought in, including Sarah Palin, and as opposed to the tens of thousands of liberal protesters, the tea party on 2 seperate times brought in maybe 5-10 thousand, most trying to instigate, drinking beer on the capitol lawn, carrying weapons etc. We cleaned up after ourselves, not that we had to because we had the right to protest, but because we are citizens of this state. I have seen many videos of tea partiers also having no idea why they are protesting. And the unions are there to keep the gop from getting rid of all competition to them. GOP has the big business, rich folk money, the Dems have the Unions, get rid of Unions and then what...I guess we will see.

[WhiteFeather]

The problem with occupy wallstreet is they have no real cause. There is no point. They are down their just to be down there. They are frustrated that they missed the 1960's, oh wait there were some 60's throwbacks with yellow bags on them saying something about "grannies....", and want to have something to protest. Just wait another day or two and the media mouthpieces will give them a worthy message. yes, a thousand people at a protest, and they yell so it must be a major movement. They stink (literally), they litter all over the place and when interviewed cannot cogently discuss what their issues are beyond corporate greed. 99% love Obama and do not even see that he is just a much a player in this as any other leading politicians. Now the Unions are offering their support. It's a build up for anarchy, and they want to create a firestorm and mayhem, thus Order our of Chaos. Distract the people and don't see what is really going on elsewhere.

Compare this to the hundreds of thousands in the Teaparty who have been protesting and how the media has maligned their actual message. Watch the interviews of those at the Teaparty protests and they know why they are there, they have lots of issues to talk about, and they leave the grounds cleaner when they leave than they were when they arrived. Oh, and of course the Unions set up counter protests against the Teaparty. Why, cause they want all those stimulus dollars and Teaparty types will get in their way.

This is just more drama for the masses. The clock is still ticking and nothing is changing.

What a horseshyte response Unified Serenity, I am truly shocked.
Here are some causes to consider:
1. College students that are graduating or have graduated have no jobs to pay for their student loans.... they are occupying wall street and america.
2. Many people here in NY in all races colors and creeds are being laid off and are trying to support either themselves or their families or trying to pay the mortgage... they are occupying wall street.
3. Inflation has skyrocketed, food, energy, gasoline, pharmaceuticals... as well as Medical insurance.
4. Its not just an individual subject the protestor's are focused on anymore. People have had enough, fed up and disgusted with the way our government has been treating its people, like pee on's taking away our rights that our country stood was built on. And its time to voice our opinion.

No Cause you say, No Point to protest Hmmmm... i think you better think outside the box . Be advised , these are not just 60's people protesting as you quoted, they are middle and lower class human beings, students, school teachers, janitors, clerical workers, fathers, mothers, grandparents whom are trying to stay afloat. We NY's need to heat our homes when it gets cold outside it does get cold here. Its not warm here like it is in Florida in the winter months. So what would your suggestions be when people in the world have had enough? Let me know im all ears. Would You Care to join us and try to make a better transition? We the people can make a real change, not the change Obama has suggested. The bandwagon is waiting.

[Unified Serenity]

Yes. They have demands:

http://dailybail.com/home/website-for-voting-on-demands-for-occupy-wall-street.html

Cheers,

Raf.

That's a nice website some good stuff, but if you watch the interviews of the people down there, they outright say they don't know why they are there. It reminds me of the Wisconsin protests and students there. When asked why they were there, they said because because uhmmm, cause I got on a bus and they told me what to say. So there you go. That sure is reminisent of the 1960's protests for equal rights, for getting out of Nam, for ending segregation. I am very amused at watching the protests and seeing them not even have a clue. Just like the mayhem in London, at these fairs here in America. Mob riots are just that. A chance for anarchy, for bum rushing a group of unarmed people taking their family out, and overwhelming the system. Yes, it's France 1789 and the mob is angry. Oh no wait, it's the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917 and the people are angry.

This is so lame. The same old song and dance. It's a plan that works over and over. The people are riled up, the puppet masters get rid of so and so, and a year or two later, the real players are put into place. It's happening in Egypt, Syria, Europe, and now it appears to be starting in America. It's planned world Chaos. These elite oligarchs care nothing of allegiance. They want to tear apart the system and they are playing us like fools. We will wake up alright, with new laws, new jobs, new homes, new rights, new medicine, oh and nice new prisons and we will be wondering how it happened.

WAKE UP! We cannot allow this anarchy. We have got to find a way to end the way we are going, but this wallstreet stuff is NOT going to work. It's a trap. I do believe though that there is a good chance it could turn ugly for all of us in a short while. Stock up.

[eaglespirit]

Really have to throw my 2 cents worth in here...my "heartfelt" 2 cents worth...and those of You that know me on this forum know I do not chime in unless it is a strong prompting and/or I have very personal experience in the matters at hand.

This IS truly the beginning of the end for the distorted/controlled way of life on Mother Earth...right now in front of Us.

WE are the shift and the change and the 11/11/11 and the ascension and the re-alignment to unconditional love with wisdom.
The putrid monetary system is going down...we are stepping into helping one another full time in full selflessness.
It is simple...and the manipulators that make it complex have had their day.

[Unified Serenity]

The problem with occupy wallstreet is they have no real cause. There is no point. They are down their just to be down there. They are frustrated that they missed the 1960's, oh wait there were some 60's throwbacks with yellow bags on them saying something about "grannies....", and want to have something to protest. Just wait another day or two and the media mouthpieces will give them a worthy message. yes, a thousand people at a protest, and they yell so it must be a major movement. They stink (literally), they litter all over the place and when interviewed cannot cogently discuss what their issues are beyond corporate greed. 99% love Obama and do not even see that he is just a much a player in this as any other leading politicians. Now the Unions are offering their support. It's a build up for anarchy, and they want to create a firestorm and mayhem, thus Order our of Chaos. Distract the people and don't see what is really going on elsewhere.

Compare this to the hundreds of thousands in the Teaparty who have been protesting and how the media has maligned their actual message. Watch the interviews of those at the Teaparty protests and they know why they are there, they have lots of issues to talk about, and they leave the grounds cleaner when they leave than they were when they arrived. Oh, and of course the Unions set up counter protests against the Teaparty. Why, cause they want all those stimulus dollars and Teaparty types will get in their way.

This is just more drama for the masses. The clock is still ticking and nothing is changing.

What a horseshyte response Unified Serenity, I am truly shocked.
Here are some causes to consider:
1. College students that are graduating or have graduated have no jobs to pay for their student loans.... they are occupying wall street and america.
2. Many people here in NY in all races colors and creeds are being laid off and are trying to support either themselves or their families or trying to pay the mortgage... they are occupying wall street.
3. Inflation has skyrocketed, food, energy, gasoline, pharmaceuticals... as well as Medical insurance.
4. Its not just an individual subject the protestor's are focused on anymore. People have had enough, fed up and disgusted with the way our government has been treating its people, like pee on's taking away our rights that our country stood was built on. And its time to voice our opinion.

No Cause you say, No Point to protest Hmmmm... i think you better think outside the box . Be advised , these are not just 60's people protesting as you quoted, they are middle and lower class human beings, students, school teachers, janitors, clerical workers, fathers, mothers, grandparents whom are trying to stay afloat. We NY's need to heat our homes when it gets cold outside it does get cold here. Its not warm here like it is in Florida in the winter months. So what would your suggestions be when people in the world have had enough? Let me know im all ears. Would You Care to join us and try to make a better transition? We the people can make a real change, not the change Obama has suggested. The bandwagon is waiting.

You miss my point. Yes, we have a reason to be angry, but this stuff happening on occupy wallstreet is filled with people being played. Watch the interviews. THey are there to watch it, to be part of something, but they themselves are not educated and protesting about something. Yes, all yoiu said was correct about what's wrong, but you're not down there occupying wallstreet are you?

Correction, I know you have been down there Whitefeather, but you are rather a unique individual. Lot's of those in the crowd are clueless looking for some way to vent their anger. It's nothing more than a mob.

[Apofay]

Yes. They have demands:

http://dailybail.com/home/website-for-voting-on-demands-for-occupy-wall-street.html

Cheers,

Raf.

That's a nice website some good stuff, but if you watch the interviews of the people down there, they outright say they don't know why they are there. It reminds me of the Wisconsin protests and students there. When asked why they were there, they said because because uhmmm, cause I got on a bus and they told me what to say. So there you go. .

Don't believe everything you see, (for example the palm trees in Madison shown on FOX news) the students I marched with in Madison, knew exactly why they were there, to stop a full out attack in the dead of night, passing bills with no input from the public, removing elected positions and filing them with the governors personal appointees, cutting public school funding while increasing charter school funding, trying to get rid of the unions etc. Feel free to sit by and watch, but DON'T tell me that I was there for any other reason than my rights were being attacked and I was NOT going to sit by and let it happen! Occupy Wall street may be in the early stages but the people there are sick and tired of the way government is run, being controlled by lobyists, corps and the rich. They work for US not THEM and that is why they are there. So again sit by and watch I am sure that will help change!

[eaglespirit]

The problem with occupy wallstreet is they have no real cause. There is no point. They are down their just to be down there. They are frustrated that they missed the 1960's, oh wait there were some 60's throwbacks with yellow bags on them saying something about "grannies....", and want to have something to protest. Just wait another day or two and the media mouthpieces will give them a worthy message. yes, a thousand people at a protest, and they yell so it must be a major movement. They stink (literally), they litter all over the place and when interviewed cannot cogently discuss what their issues are beyond corporate greed. 99% love Obama and do not even see that he is just a much a player in this as any other leading politicians. Now the Unions are offering their support. It's a build up for anarchy, and they want to create a firestorm and mayhem, thus Order our of Chaos. Distract the people and don't see what is really going on elsewhere.

Compare this to the hundreds of thousands in the Teaparty who have been protesting and how the media has maligned their actual message. Watch the interviews of those at the Teaparty protests and they know why they are there, they have lots of issues to talk about, and they leave the grounds cleaner when they leave than they were when they arrived. Oh, and of course the Unions set up counter protests against the Teaparty. Why, cause they want all those stimulus dollars and Teaparty types will get in their way.

This is just more drama for the masses. The clock is still ticking and nothing is changing.

What a horseshyte response Unified Serenity, I am truly shocked.
Here are some causes to consider:
1. College students that are graduating or have graduated have no jobs to pay for their student loans.... they are occupying wall street and america.
2. Many people here in NY in all races colors and creeds are being laid off and are trying to support either themselves or their families or trying to pay the mortgage... they are occupying wall street.
3. Inflation has skyrocketed, food, energy, gasoline, pharmaceuticals... as well as Medical insurance.
4. Its not just an individual subject the protestor's are focused on anymore. People have had enough, fed up and disgusted with the way our government has been treating its people, like pee on's taking away our rights that our country stood was built on. And its time to voice our opinion.

No Cause you say, No Point to protest Hmmmm... i think you better think outside the box . Be advised , these are not just 60's people protesting as you quoted, they are middle and lower class human beings, students, school teachers, janitors, clerical workers, fathers, mothers, grandparents whom are trying to stay afloat. We NY's need to heat our homes when it gets cold outside it does get cold here. Its not warm here like it is in Florida in the winter months. So what would your suggestions be when people in the world have had enough? Let me know im all ears. Would You Care to join us and try to make a better transition? We the people can make a real change, not the change Obama has suggested. The bandwagon is waiting.

You miss my point. Yes, we have a reason to be angry, but this stuff happening on occupy wallstreet is filled with people being played. Watch the interviews. THey are there to watch it, to be part of something, but they themselves are not educated and protesting about something. Yes, all yoiu said was correct about what's wrong, but you're not down there occupying wallstreet are you?

In total disagreement, Unified Serenity...
We are on the verge of something much bigger and better that has never occurred before.
This movement is one of the main catalyst to catapult the changes that could only occur at this time...and it had to happen in the U.S. because the manipulators have done most of their work through this country's venues.
Everything we have known to be 'store-bought' reality is collapsing...economically, politically, religiously.
And there are more people "there" helping as never before...even if they are not there physically holding signs.

Things we cannot wrap our 3d heads around are going to start taking hold.

[WhiteFeather]

You miss my point. Yes, we have a reason to be angry, but this stuff happening on occupy wallstreet is filled with people being played. Watch the interviews. THey are there to watch it, to be part of something, but they themselves are not educated and protesting about something. Yes, all yoiu said was correct about what's wrong, but you're not down there occupying wallstreet are you?

Correction, I know you have been down there Whitefeather, but you are rather a unique individual. Lot's of those in the crowd are clueless looking for some way to vent their anger. It's nothing more than a mob.

Namaste, My Gratitude. I will be down there very soon, with my son whom is attending college, he is awakened too. Some may be clueless but others not. And when i get there i shall videotape it as well and post it here or on youtube.

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In total disagreement, Unified Serenity...
We are on the verge of something much bigger and better that has never occurred before.
This movement is one of the main catalyst to catapult the changes that could only occur at this time...and it had to happen in the U.S. because the manipulators have done most of their work through this country's venues.
Everything we have known to be 'store-bought' reality is collapsing...economically, politically, religiously.
And there are more people "there" helping as never before...even if they are not there physically holding signs.

Things we cannot wrap our 3d heads around are going to start taking hold.

Blissfull Statement Eaglespirit, blissfull. 5 Stars for you!

[WhiteFeather]

"WellAware1.com for the truth.

It doesn't take much to spot a fake drill like this one, but for those of you who are new to this, I present you with some evidence that cannot be overlooked. Combine that with a little common sense and thats all she wrote."

BeO3L5EFfBo

This is a real demonstration and yes they are real cops, the white shirts you see are supervisors not regular patrolman. White Shirts consist of Sergeants, Lieutenants, Captains, Deputy Inspectors, Inspectors and Finally Chiefs. I know this for a fact. I had served the NYPD for 14 years peeps. Please go easy on me, I'm on the other side of the fence with you guys.

[Fred Steeves]

I've made my opinion known a couple of times in pryor threads about this with concerns about the source, people like Soros, Bill Ayers, Michael Moore, and Richard Trumka, but let it go quickly because the I don't like to trample threads I disagree with. Being that this one is about the protests being exposed, here's another little diddly, one of their demands, that gets conveniently overlooked in the media. Warren Buffet's name keeps being thrown out as backing higher taxes for the rich, yet strangely he doesn't seem too keen on paying them himself....Obama's buddy GE is another that comes to mind. Hmmm.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/editorials/warren_buffett_hypocrite_E3BsmJmeQVE38q2Woq9yjJ

This is demand #4:

CONGRESS PASS THE BUFFETT RULE ON FAIR TAXATION SO THE RICH AND CORPORATIONS PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE & CLOSE CORPORATE (http://dailybail.com/home/website-for-voting-on-demands-for-occupy-wall-street.html#) TAX LOOP HOLES AND ENACT A PROHIBITION ON HIDING FUNDS OFF SHORE. No more GE paying zero or negative taxes. Pass the Buffet Rule on fair taxation so the rich pay their fair share. (If we have a really had a good negotiating position and have the place surrounded, we could actually dial up taxes on millionaires, billionaires and corporations even higher...back to what they once were in the 50's and 60's


United Serenity is right on, this is a set up through and through, on multiple levels. Not that a majority of people protesting there don't have good intentions, but they ARE useful idiots. Same with the so called "Arab Spring."

There is a false awakening being cleverly orchestrated, and it leads straight into the arms of an awaiting world government to solve the problem it created itself. Problem, Reaction, Solution. Play it again Sam.

Cheers,
Fred

[13th Warrior]

Listen up people!

Any legitimate movement started by the people will always be targeted to be co-opted by the ruling class to neutralize the threat to themselves.

So, pay attention and learn to recognize who are legitimate and who are the infil-traitors.

By now it ought to be clear to many that the tea party has been co-opted by the republican party; the next move on this chess board is to co-opt the occupy wall street by the democratic party so as to facilitate the distraction of having this a two party issue...it's called controlled opposition and many of you fall for this ploy time and again.

[Lazlo]

That sure is reminisent of the 1960's protests for equal rights, for getting out of Nam, for ending segregation. I am very amused at watching the protests and seeing them not even have a clue. Just like the mayhem in London, at these fairs here in America. Mob riots are just that. A chance for anarchy, for bum rushing a group of unarmed people taking their family out, and overwhelming the system. Yes, it's France 1789 and the mob is angry. Oh no wait, it's the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917 and the people are angry.



Uhhh...We did get out of Vietnam. We did get the equal rights amendment. We did end segregation.

Maybe is not 1790 or 1917. Perhaps it is 1776.

I would suggest reading "The Fourth Turning" by Strauss and Howe for a thouroughly researched and documented perspective on what is happening now. The unrest and discontent that we are witnessing is a natural progression of the attitudes and policies that got us to where we are today.

ETA: That book was written in 1997 and it reads as if it could just as easily have been published this month. There are the larger forces of history at work here, and the 1% are desperately trying to hold on to what they have amassed. And yes, they will use every dirty trick in the book to try and stay on top.

No one was predicting in 1963 what the next few years would bring. It is called the normalcy bias, and it blinds us all to what should be plainly evident.

[Apofay]

So people are encouraging people to NOT stand up for what they believe is right, DO NOT protest because you are a "useful idiot", "They" are controling this and want you to protest???? hmmm you question my inteligence, I question who you are working for. No No Mr. Jefferson, don't write that declaration it is probably just a ruse...:rolleyes:

[Calz]

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First posted by daledo here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31982-Keith-Olbermann-reads-statement-from-wall-street...

[Unified Serenity]

I've made my opinion known a couple of times in pryor threads about this with concerns about the source, people like Soros, Bill Ayers, Michael Moore, and Richard Trumka, but let it go quickly because the I don't like to trample threads I disagree with. Being that this one is about the protests being exposed, here's another little diddly, one of their demands, that gets conveniently overlooked in the media. Warren Buffet's name keeps being thrown out as backing higher taxes for the rich, yet strangely he doesn't seem too keen on paying them himself....Obama's buddy GE is another that comes to mind. Hmmm.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/editorials/warren_buffett_hypocrite_E3BsmJmeQVE38q2Woq9yjJ

This is demand #4:

CONGRESS PASS THE BUFFETT RULE ON FAIR TAXATION SO THE RICH AND CORPORATIONS PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE & CLOSE CORPORATE (http://dailybail.com/home/website-for-voting-on-demands-for-occupy-wall-street.html#) TAX LOOP HOLES AND ENACT A PROHIBITION ON HIDING FUNDS OFF SHORE. No more GE paying zero or negative taxes. Pass the Buffet Rule on fair taxation so the rich pay their fair share. (If we have a really had a good negotiating position and have the place surrounded, we could actually dial up taxes on millionaires, billionaires and corporations even higher...back to what they once were in the 50's and 60's


United Serenity is right on, this is a set up through and through, on multiple levels. Not that a majority of people protesting there don't have good intentions, but they ARE useful idiots. Same with the so called "Arab Spring."

There is a false awakening being cleverly orchestrated, and it leads straight into the arms of an awaiting world government to solve the problem it created itself. Problem, Reaction, Solution. Play it again Sam.

Cheers,
Fred

Fred,

A hearty AMEN and thank you for saying so well what I have not been able to verbalize. This is exactly a planned false awakening as you put it, and I think that is why my spidey senses are going off. The intentions of many are good, but as the saying goes, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." I think a big tip off is who is supporting this and how it's being played in the media compaired to the groundswell of the Teaparty which I believe has also begun to be co-opted.

Fred, my mom has told me from the other side that you and I were not separated at birth.

[eaglespirit]

Going to continue to state my case when 'the same ol' same ol' tunes are played.

This is not like any other time these things have occurred...
yes, just another protest...yes, just regular folks...yes, similar happenings have come and gone...but...

NOT this time...it will NOT come and go...
This is creating a moment by moment push on the bell curve...and the bell is about to ring and not stop this time.

And Unified Serenity...Wishing You Well through these changes!
Blissfull Statement Eaglespirit, blissfull. 5 Stars for you!
Sarcasm is a way of life in New England, my homeground.

My sentiments come from the heart and have been pretty accurate these last few years...
these 'now' happenings cannot be compared to past happenings...those that held the reigns in the past no longer have that control.

That 'control' has just recently waned beyond retrieval!

[13th Warrior]

Yes, there are a wide array of complaints, demands, and goals from the Wall Street protesters: the collapsing environment, labor standards, housing policy, government corruption, World Bank lending practices, unemployment, increasing wealth disparity and so on. Different people have been affected by different aspects of the same system -- and they believe they are symptoms of the same core problem.

Are they ready to articulate exactly what that problem is and how to address it? No, not yet. But neither are Congress or the president who, in thrall to corporate America and Wall Street, respectively, have consistently failed to engage in anything resembling a conversation as cogent as the many I witnessed as I strolled by Occupy Wall Street's many teach-ins this morning. There were young people teaching one another about, among other things, how the economy works, about the disconnection of investment banking from the economy of goods and services, the history of centralized interest-bearing currency, the creation and growth of the derivatives industry, and about the Obama administration deciding to settle with, rather than investigate and prosecute the investment banking industry for housing fraud.

Anyone who says he has no idea what these folks are protesting is not being truthful. Whether we agree with them or not, we all know what they are upset about, and we all know that there are investment bankers working on Wall Street getting richer while things for most of the rest of us are getting tougher. What upsets banking's defenders and politicians alike is the refusal of this movement to state its terms or set its goals in the traditional language of campaigns.


http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/05/opinion/rushkoff-occupy-wall-street/index.html

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Look, those wall st occupants may not know why they are there. I agree. But you usualy don't stick your head out to be pepper sprayed or arrested on your spare weekend. They may find out why they are there on the go. This is somethng new. Uncharted terrain. And dark forces will try to sway things on their side. Have you heard rumors about Soros's sympathy for protesters and his alleged donations?

And could somebody explain to me why this "buffet rule" is not what it seems to be? Could you link to some official (.gov) webpage where this rule is described, explained and commented? Equal taxes (% of income) for all sound honest to me... What's wrong with that picture?

[Lazlo]

So people are encouraging people to NOT stand up for what they believe is right, DO NOT protest because you are a "useful idiot", "They" are controling this and want you to protest???? hmmm you question my inteligence, I question who you are working for. No No Mr. Jefferson, don't write that declaration it is probably just a ruse...:rolleyes:

Thomas Jefferson:

What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance?

When wrongs are pressed because it is believed they will be borne, resistance becomes morality.

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.

An elective despotism was not the government we fought for.

The man who reads nothing at all is better than educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.


George Washington:

Few men have virtue to withstand the highest bidder.

If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.

Liberty, when it begins to take root, is a plant of rapid growth.

The basis of our political system is the right of the people to make and to alter their constitutions of government.

The marvel of all history is the patience with which men and women submit to burdens unnecessarily laid upon them by their governments.



John Adams:

All the perplexities, confusion and distress in America arise, not from defects in their Constitution or Confederation, not from want of honor or virtue, so much as from the downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit and circulation.

Power always thinks it has a great soul and vast views beyond the comprehension of the weak.

Power always thinks... that it is doing God's service when it is violating all his laws.

[JoshERTW]

Really have to throw my 2 cents worth in here...my "heartfelt" 2 cents worth...and those of You that know me on this forum know I do not chime in unless it is a strong prompting and/or I have very personal experience in the matters at hand.

This IS truly the beginning of the end for the distorted/controlled way of life on Mother Earth...right now in front of Us.

WE are the shift and the change and the 11/11/11 and the ascension and the re-alignment to unconditional love with wisdom.
The putrid monetary system is going down...we are stepping into helping one another full time in full selflessness.
It is simple...and the manipulators that make it complex have had their day.

I'm feelin' it too - let it ride

[Unified Serenity]

Here we go, the real plan:

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I found this on the Blaze.com:

"Politics
Cheering Economic Terrorism – SEIU Getting Ready to ‘Terrify’ DC: Stephen Lerner at SEIU Meeting Outlines Rules for Creating a Crisis — We Want Their Kids to Hate Them, Name Enemies Like Glenn Beck, Shut Down Bridges, Long Occupations, Recruit Tea Party"

They are trying to create a crisis for THEIR change. What does SEIU stand for? Who do they back? Who is using them? We will find that it's TPTB and the Soros types.

[conk]

Lazlo, many have read The Fourth Turning and moved to a farm! Away from the madness that will rain down upon us. The book is excellent and all here should read it. We are on the cusp of a bigger cycle, one that will bring much pain.

[etm567]

IT's not a drill, it is real. I have to wonder what tea you've been drinking. I live just outside New York City, and my daughter and I will be going on Saturday to a meet-up. I don't think it will be my imagination producing all those other people. Yesterday, a number of unions marched with the protestors. The one I can name offhand is the Transit Workers Union.

That is the Brooklyn Bridge. Have you ever been there?

Those people near Union Square were pepper sprayed. There are hundreds of witnesses. This is like those folks who say the holocaust didn't happen.

Please yourself. BUt don't expect many people to agree with you.

[etm567]

Just curious, do you mean a flat tax? I don't see a flat tax as being at all fair. People with more should pay more, because they can afford to, and because that money they made pretty much is usually made from the work of those who have much, much less.

The percentages wealthy pay in taxes is lower now than it's been since WWII, probably lower (sorry I don't know precisely) than since the Great Depression. During the fifties, when this country was in the best shape economically, is when they paid the most, somewhere around 80 to 90 percent of their income. Still left them plenty to live on.

[Bridey]

Unified Serenity and Fred.......that's so interesting what you guys are saying.

Up until lastnight I was so proud that people are fighting back and sticking up for themselves. I was really very happy about this ongoing and growing revolution. Although lastnight I woke up in the middle of the night with this thought. "who started occupy america?". Thinking to myself that this could be just what the ptb want. Haven't they been planning for widespread rioting for years now? So called fema camps to throw all these people in? To eventually bring in the new Amero dollar?

I want to know who started occupy america. This could very well be a planned event. Correct me if I'm way off. Its just it all occurred to me out of the blue in the middle of the night.

[eaglespirit]

...if ThePowersThatWere were behind anything...I promise You that there would have been very "aggressive" participants and troublemakers in the fold and the media would have been all over this from the start.

There is "conscious" thought and planning going on...and it is not tptw doings.

They will try to intervene...to no avail.

[13th Warrior]

Unified Serenity and Fred.......that's so interesting what you guys are saying.

Up until lastnight I was so proud that people are fighting back and sticking up for themselves. I was really very happy about this ongoing and growing revolution. Although lastnight I woke up in the middle of the night with this thought. "who started occupy america?". Thinking to myself that this could be just what the ptb want. Haven't they been planning for widespread rioting for years now? So called fema camps to throw all these people in? To eventually bring in the new Amero dollar?



I want to know who started occupy america. This could very well be a planned event. Correct me if I'm way off. Its just it all occurred to me out of the blue in the middle of the night.


This is a possible scenario although not probable and this is why i think so:

This movement has been building for the last 3 weeks and initially there has been a media blackout.

It wasn't until this movement really started to gain traction did main stream media started coverage and the co-opting started.

The media blackout is used to serve two purposes: One, to not inadvertently provide support to an unwanted movement; and two, more importantly, to buy the controlling group time in order to formulate an action plane to take control of and co-opt said movement.

At the end of the day it matters not if this was started by the globalist if we the people take control of this situation and make it our own and are vigilant about not allowing this movement to be steered and derailed by those whom this movement is directed.

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...if ThePowersThatWere were behind anything...I promise You that there would have been very "aggressive" participants and troublemakers in the fold and the media would have been all over this from the start.

There is "conscious" thought and planning going on...and it is not tptw doings.

They will try to intervene...to no avail.

You beat me to it. 8^)

[nottelling]

Up until lastnight I was so proud that people are fighting back and sticking up for themselves. I was really very happy about this ongoing and growing revolution. Although lastnight I woke up in the middle of the night with this thought. "who started occupy america?". Thinking to myself that this could be just what the ptb want. Haven't they been planning for widespread rioting for years now? So called fema camps to throw all these people in? To eventually bring in the new Amero dollar?

I want to know who started occupy america. This could very well be a planned event. Correct me if I'm way off. Its just it all occurred to me out of the blue in the middle of the night.

If "TPTB" started this movement, they certainly won't be able to finish it. Every time an NYPD cop maces or truncheons a protester the numbers grow exponentially. Can you imagine what would happen if they sent in the National Guard with live ammo Kent State-style? Can you imagine what would happen if they tried to round people up and send them off to FEMA camps? That would touch off a nation-wide or even global rage which could not be satiated by a cut in interest rates or lofty promises. The gloves would be off and they would feel the full fury.

First it would be aimed at the politicians or government agency directors who ordered it, then it would spread to a white-hot campaign of pitchforkings and lynchings of banksters which would make the French Revolution look like a schoolyard fight. It would be the dumbest thing TPTB have ever done - and we'd still win. You see, they cannot control a non-cooperative population.

Sure, TPTB might be able to remain secret and escape with their lives, but all their useful minions in their various positions of power would be toast and their power base along with it.

[Peace of Mind]

I highly doubt tptb will win this. People already know what to expect from these types of demonstrations, the consequences are always in the back of the mind. Just as long as it remains peaceful the energy will do the rest. Besides…you can’t arrest everyone. And for everyone that gets arrested more show up. There are cops protesting too. The majority of us here know if you want change you have to be the change. So with that said…does anyone here (that’s against this movement) have an alternative or better way to achieve this? What do you suggest we do…other than sitting around chatting about it?

Action is clearly needed, people are desperate and the last thing we want is this dissemination of doubt…from what I’m seeing, only good can come from this. The Elites are a few, and the people (including cops and military) are starting to see the big picture. Hopefully, those with reservation will remove the fear and do what they can. In your own way, I ask for you to support those risking their time and energy on your behalf. We all have the power, so lets use it.

Peace

[Bridey]

Thank-you for your thoughts......

Excuse me Eaglespirit, the powers that WERE, not the powers that be. ha!

Ya I knew that there was a complete media blackout up until the second week of protests. That's why I thought that this couldn't a planned event. The media would be all over it otherwise. I know, I just hope that my gut isn't true. It's just the little voice inside me, screamed at me last night in the middle of the night, even woke me out of a deep sleep. It's just hard to ignore this skepticism about it all. You guys are making sense to me though. Thanks again for your comments....


Also just wanted to add, perhaps this is a real and true protest. They don't want us to protest right? That's why they have been putting fluoride in the water for years and promoting fear through the media. To keep the general public in a fearful and subdued state right? I'm just trying to get my head around it all...

[Dennis Leahy]

It has already been said by several, but I'll say it too: this is real.

It probably isn't what any of us would individually have designed or hoped for, it doesn't follow a script or a tight plan, and so it all looks chaotic.

And of course, ALL of the professional spin doctors, lobbyists, PR agency personnel, political party strategists, and oligarchs' concubines are there, and all will try to extract from this what they can, steal the limelight, recruit, spin the positive and negative to glorify themselves. It's what they do for a living!

Quite frankly, it would not even matter if the original few protesters are phony (which I do not believe), because most are quite real, including my friends that are there and in Washington DC too. It also does not matter if Soros' money can be traced to Adbusters (who spurred the origins of Occupy Wall Street.) It is not important - no more significant or predictive of the outcome than the happiness of a future baby is based on who paid for the food at a wedding.

To the guy that created the video shown in the first post, the same guy whose claim to fame is finding similar looking people and declaring major events are all staged by actors...well, step away from the computer, dude. Your paranoia is on exponential overload.

Dennis

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Funny thing... Reading almost every post here feels like you read in my mind ;) Or maybe i read in yours? ;) This "quickening" thing of becomeing as ONE is real :) And it accelerates :) Maybe we will not have to use this physical forum to communicate in a month and five days ;)

To all who doubt this protest is real/legitimate. If tptw are 1% and you think they can sway it their way why do you think the remainig 99% can't? This "swaying" thing works both ways. But only if you give it your consent... I vote in favor of our 99% :) Cast your vote today :) Pleeeease...

One more thing about this swaying. Tptw have to furnish tremendous amounts of negative energy to sustain their sand castle placed on the sea bank. Because their construct is incompatible with whole Creation. This negative energy comes from us. It is our fear, hatred and artificial division. Every heart counts. And love is more powerful than fear. One loving heart gives more energy than many fearfull hearts. Because it is compatible with Creation. And we are 99%. How many loving hearts do you think it would take to balance all those 1%?

[Pete]

occupy wall st, and soon to be london stock exchange, needs the awakened to educate the rest, this is an excellent opportunity to expose the lies and hypocrisy and then awakening will commence exponentially. I do not wish to offend, but we all know the scope of the problem and we should be participating and spreading the news.
The sheeple are angry but they don't know why, we want them to be informed and not play into the hands of the authorities. In their combined ignorance they will just act in an instinctive way. Educated they will understand what is at stake and understand the rules of engagement.

we are all the 99 :grouphug:

[Fred Steeves]

That would touch off a nation-wide or even global rage which could not be satiated by a cut in interest rates or lofty promises. The gloves would be off and they would feel the full fury.

First it would be aimed at the politicians or government agency directors who ordered it, then it would spread to a white-hot campaign of pitchforkings and lynchings of banksters which would make the French Revolution look like a schoolyard fight. It would be the dumbest thing TPTB have ever done - and we'd still win. You see, they cannot control a non-cooperative population.



Hi nottelling. Trust me, you don't want a new French Revolution, much less worse, unless you want to see the guillitines eventually being worked full time by those, and on those who rebelled in the first place. All they managed to do was trade one tyranny for a new and far worse one. This is PRECISELY what the globalists want, they are drooling at the possibility, and they WILL win hands down such an encounter. Don't kid yourself.

It's a false choice of historic magnitude to take the bait that either we must join such movements, or be considered impotent. As Einstein said: "No problem can be solved on the same level it was created." Of course we all want freedom for ourselves and the rest of the world, but this is a challenge that can only be transcended, not battled. Sure there will likely come a moment to take that stand, and those in tune will know instinctively the right moment, and exactly what to do. Peacefully of course. This is not the time or circumstance.

For what it's worth, this is my all time hero in this world. It wasn't the right time, but it WAS the right action and circumstance. Not to mention a demonstration of what one single, truly inspired individual can accomplish without raising so much as a pinky in anger.

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Cheers,
Fred

[13th Warrior]

That would touch off a nation-wide or even global rage which could not be satiated by a cut in interest rates or lofty promises. The gloves would be off and they would feel the full fury.

First it would be aimed at the politicians or government agency directors who ordered it, then it would spread to a white-hot campaign of pitchforkings and lynchings of banksters which would make the French Revolution look like a schoolyard fight. It would be the dumbest thing TPTB have ever done - and we'd still win. You see, they cannot control a non-cooperative population.



Hi nottelling. Trust me, you don't want a new French Revolution, much less worse, unless you want to see the guillitines eventually being worked full time by those, and on those who rebelled in the first place. All they managed to do was trade one tyranny for a new and far worse one. This is PRECISELY what the globalists want, they are drooling at the possibility, and they WILL win hands down such an encounter. Don't kid yourself.

It's a false choice of historic magnitude to take the bait that either we must join such movements, or be considered impotent. As Einstein said: "No problem can be solved on the same level it was created." Of course we all want freedom for ourselves and the rest of the world, but this is a challenge that can only be transcended, not battled. Sure there will likely come a moment to take that stand, and those in tune will know instinctively the right moment, and exactly what to do. Peacefully of course. This is not the time or circumstance.

For what it's worth, this is my all time hero in this world. It wasn't the right time, but it WAS the right action and circumstance. Not to mention a demonstration of what one single, truly inspired individual can accomplish without raising so much as a pinky in anger.

qq8zFLIftGk

Cheers,
Fred

Ok Fred,

then we will sit quietly and wait for you to give us the go...


Einstein is even more famous for his equation E=MC Sq.

The recent discovery of neutrinos and super-luminal travel cast a pretty good shadow on that one also.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Fred, this video does not play. Talks about some error... :(

[Calz]

To the guy that created the video shown in the first post


:lol:

No doubt you are enjoying your "freedom" of being a "mere citizen" again :)

Anyway ... what's with all the emotion in this thread???

People are violently rioting all over the world. Is not a peaceful protest in NYC based on waking up to the economic illusion appropriate???

Perhaps it's just me ...

[Fred Steeves]

Fred, this video does not play. Talks about some error... :(

Hi Robert, Yeah you're right. Just click the youtube link below and it should work just fine. Thanks for pointing that out.

Cheers,
Fred

[Providence]

I am pretty amazed to see that so many Avalonians bought into this one. One narrowly focused video presentation doesn't make a case, one opinion, especially when there are many other videos that were shot from various angles, including from the bridge rail above, and this was not a staged event.

Please don't let people like this try to decimate the movement, because there is no other reason to make such a claim as this other than to divide the people and pit them against the cause. It's real, and it's spreading all across the US and the globe. It started on Wall Street in NYC, but has spread all across the country. We have several related occupy movements in Kentucky alone, including several colleges and universities.

If anyone really took the time to follow the movement, online video streaming, tweets, facebook, etc... instead of just cherry picking one video, you would know what's going on. This movement has the potential to actually change the political structure of our country, and I for one believe!

[Unified Serenity]

The gloves would be off and they would feel the full fury.

First it would be aimed at the politicians or government agency directors who ordered it, then it would spread to a white-hot campaign of pitchforkings and lynchings of banksters which would make the French Revolution look like a schoolyard fight. It would be the dumbest thing TPTB have ever done - and we'd still win. You see, they cannot control a non-cooperative population.

Sure, TPTB might be able to remain secret and escape with their lives, but all their useful minions in their various positions of power would be toast and their power base along with it.

They are counting on it. It will turn violent if they are behind it. They will pull in agent provocateurs, and we will have our very own American "Spring".

[13th Warrior]

The gloves would be off and they would feel the full fury.

First it would be aimed at the politicians or government agency directors who ordered it, then it would spread to a white-hot campaign of pitchforkings and lynchings of banksters which would make the French Revolution look like a schoolyard fight. It would be the dumbest thing TPTB have ever done - and we'd still win. You see, they cannot control a non-cooperative population.

Sure, TPTB might be able to remain secret and escape with their lives, but all their useful minions in their various positions of power would be toast and their power base along with it.

They are counting on it. It will turn violent if they are behind it. They will pull in agent provocateurs, and we will have our very own American "Spring".

This is true and that is the next step if the movement cannot be co-opted by use of the media, social networks and forums like this one.

But, i am hopefully that there are enough people in the know and will recognize this as it is happening and will move to mitigate the escalation. So far i think the protesters are doing a fair job of policing themselves but, more vigilance is required to maintain the peace.

Protesters need to police each other and please avoid taunting the police, they will use that as an excuse for violent arrests.

[Lazlo]

It has been said that only 2% of the population becoming actively involved is the threshold in which a movement, or revolution, becomes unavoidable.

That's somewhere slightly north of 6 million US citizens required to to get this done. At that level, there is not enough police and military to control the public.

We're not there yet, but the numbers are growing every day. Three weeks ago this was a joke, today the President addressed the issue in a news conference. Congressman Kucinich made a statement in support of the movement. The Vice President made a statement. The MSM is finally reporting their shallow version of the truth.

Is the movement going to go away because congress agrees to a surtax on the 1%? This is heartfelt frustration being aired by a population that has seen the elite of the elite gamble away our futures, and now we are being asked to pay higher taxes for fewer services while our infrastructure crumbles around us. All so that those who stole from us don't have to accept anything less than 100 cents on the dollar for their dishonest instruments. While the 1% has been taking an ever greater portion of our wealth, real take home pay of workers has not recovered to 1973 levels.

This is real, and even if OWS fizzles with the coming winter, the mood of the country has changed. OWS isn't going to solve anything today, or even tomorrow. Those who are on the streets now will return to thier homes when the snow flies. But, they will talk to their friends and family, they will discuss the truth with their co-workers. Eyes are being opened, opinions are changing. It will take years for real reform to take root and blossom. The seeds have been sown and are being watered now. Spring is coming, but I am afraid that we have not yet descended into the depths of the winter.

Take heart and brace yourselves for the coming cold.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Fred, this video does not play. Talks about some error... :(

Hi Robert, Yeah you're right. Just click the youtube link below and it should work just fine. Thanks for pointing that out.

Cheers,
Fred

I am on android device and that is the reason this particular video does not play. But i know now who the "Tank Man" was... Thanks Fred :)

Yes the winter is coming... But thankfully our sun is entering another solar cycle maximum. It involves more sunspots. And sunspots are hotter than spotless region. Have you noticed the last few days were hot despite of Autumn? That is because of more sunspots lately. If there will be much more sunspots during winter it may be not so extreamly cold :) Let us pray for more sunspots :)

[Unified Serenity]

You can listen to Limbaugh's comments today, but here is a portion in regards to Occupy Wallstreet. He makes some very salient points which I think are worth discussing in regards to why this whole uprising has started and why I also believe it's orchestrated:

"This thing just didn't bubble up out of nothing. We now find out George Soros money is behind this, and there's no doubt in my mind that the White House is behind this. I wish I could tell you who, but a very prominent person asked me to never mention his name in this regard, but for months he has been telling me, "You watch, Rush, do not doubt me," he said to me, "Obama is setting up riots. He is fanning the flames for riots and eventual violence. That's all he's got." And now you look, all of this talk about millionaires and billionaires and people not paying their fair share and this relentless assault on achievement in this country has resulted in what? The appearance of a spontaneous combustion of angry white college students who are fed up with all the injustices that this country is famous for. That's his base.

Occupy Wall Street is his base. Those are his foot soldiers. The anarchists, the union thugs who are occupying Wall Street, Obama is now going to run for reelection against Wall Street, and all of these schlubs in this protest march don't understand that Wall Street and Obama are inseparable.

New York legislators are getting death threats now if they don't tax the millionaires, and my very prescient friend wanted me to say this on the air, wanted me to warn people. "I'm not gonna say that. I'm not gonna predict the president of the United States wants riots," but he was a very, very, very prominent individual; and we're on the verge of it here. You get this many people together and you whip 'em into this kind of a frenzy over things they don't even really know about? They've got a bunch of energy, and it's gonna have to have an outlet somewhere. But all these people down there occupying Wall Street, this is his base -- and he admitted it! He expressed his solidarity, 'cause those are his campaign foot soldiers down there. He can't turn his back on them this close to the elections.

You'd think that he'd be embarrassed to embrace them publicly like this. He said, "Well, those people, they're simply expressing the frustrations of the American people," as though the frustrations felt by you and me and everybody else have nothing to do with what's gone on in the last two-and-a-half years. He keeps saying (impression), "The American people have been frustrated a long time, ten years! American people have been mad about this economy for a long time. We need to do something now. We need to pass that jobs bill!" Who in the world thinks, even if...? Let's just play a game here. This bill of his is $450 billion of tax increases. He's out there talking about small business tax cuts and middle-income class tax cuts. There aren't any tax cuts in this bill! It's a tax increase bill, but let's just pretend for a second that this was $450 billion of just spending, stimulus spending.

Somebody explain to me how spending $450 billion is gonna get every bridge repaired, every school repaired, every road repaired, and everybody who doesn't have a job, a job. How does that happen? This is what's on parade today. This is utter foolishness, this is utter incompetence, trying to sell the notion that this bill of $450 billion is a magic elixir. If $450 billion would turn this economy around -- which I thought it already had! We have been "back from the brink" for how many years now, according to Obama? If $450 billion is gonna turn this economy around, then why didn't the first $787 billion and then the next $50 billion that was added to it and then the third $26 billion on top of that and all of the other spending that has occurred in this administration -- not just the stimulus spending -- created this magic?

Right, because we had a typhoon in Japan, and we had the Arab spring. Oh! Oh! You remind me. I got a story here in the stack: One of these idiots down there at Occupy Wall Street claims that they were inspired by the Arab spring and that that's why they are marching. H.R. dug that one out in some obscure weekly publication in the Bowery. So, anyway, folks, I just sit here and I don't quite know how to verbalize the emotions I'm feeling over this because they run the gamut of anger, shock, dismay, suspension -- willing suspension -- of disbelief, all of it. It's just the Twilight Zone, alternate universe."

Read the whole piece here: http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/10/06/first_thoughts_anger_shock_dismay_as_obama_sets_up_country_for_riots

[Lazlo]

Limbaugh got rich blaming everything...EVERYTHING...on the democrats. That's what he does. He is pretty good at it. There are lots of people that help him out. Last time I checked, Rush was bringing in around $10,000,000 a year.

I don't think that he even believes half of what he says sometimes. But it sure does pay well.

Just because Soros put some money behind a cause it doesn't mean that he orchestrated the entire thing like some evil genius.

Just because Obama's approval ratings are in the gutter, it doesn't mean that he wants riots.

The jobs bill, no argument there. Bread and circuses. Except the populace finally got sick of the reruns and stale wonder bread.

Edit to Add: I just looked it up. Rush makes $37,500,000 per year for his clear channel contract alone. That's before endorsements and speaking engagements.

Hardly an unbiased source.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Poor Rush... OWS is not a riot. It is a peacefull protest. Riots is when people smash windows, burn cars and loot... Like in London.

[Providence]

You can listen to Limbaugh's comments today, but here is a portion in regards to Occupy Wallstreet. He makes some very salient points which I think are worth discussing in regards to why this whole uprising has started and why I also believe it's orchestrated:

"This thing just didn't bubble up out of nothing. We now find out George Soros money is behind this, and there's no doubt in my mind that the White House is behind this. I wish I could tell you who, but a very prominent person asked me to never mention his name in this regard, but for months he has been telling me, "You watch, Rush, do not doubt me," he said to me, "Obama is setting up riots. He is fanning the flames for riots and eventual violence. That's all he's got." And now you look, all of this talk about millionaires and billionaires and people not paying their fair share and this relentless assault on achievement in this country has resulted in what? The appearance of a spontaneous combustion of angry white college students who are fed up with all the injustices that this country is famous for. That's his base.

Occupy Wall Street is his base. Those are his foot soldiers. The anarchists, the union thugs who are occupying Wall Street, Obama is now going to run for reelection against Wall Street, and all of these schlubs in this protest march don't understand that Wall Street and Obama are inseparable.

New York legislators are getting death threats now if they don't tax the millionaires, and my very prescient friend wanted me to say this on the air, wanted me to warn people. "I'm not gonna say that. I'm not gonna predict the president of the United States wants riots," but he was a very, very, very prominent individual; and we're on the verge of it here. You get this many people together and you whip 'em into this kind of a frenzy over things they don't even really know about? They've got a bunch of energy, and it's gonna have to have an outlet somewhere. But all these people down there occupying Wall Street, this is his base -- and he admitted it! He expressed his solidarity, 'cause those are his campaign foot soldiers down there. He can't turn his back on them this close to the elections.

You'd think that he'd be embarrassed to embrace them publicly like this. He said, "Well, those people, they're simply expressing the frustrations of the American people," as though the frustrations felt by you and me and everybody else have nothing to do with what's gone on in the last two-and-a-half years. He keeps saying (impression), "The American people have been frustrated a long time, ten years! American people have been mad about this economy for a long time. We need to do something now. We need to pass that jobs bill!" Who in the world thinks, even if...? Let's just play a game here. This bill of his is $450 billion of tax increases. He's out there talking about small business tax cuts and middle-income class tax cuts. There aren't any tax cuts in this bill! It's a tax increase bill, but let's just pretend for a second that this was $450 billion of just spending, stimulus spending.

Somebody explain to me how spending $450 billion is gonna get every bridge repaired, every school repaired, every road repaired, and everybody who doesn't have a job, a job. How does that happen? This is what's on parade today. This is utter foolishness, this is utter incompetence, trying to sell the notion that this bill of $450 billion is a magic elixir. If $450 billion would turn this economy around -- which I thought it already had! We have been "back from the brink" for how many years now, according to Obama? If $450 billion is gonna turn this economy around, then why didn't the first $787 billion and then the next $50 billion that was added to it and then the third $26 billion on top of that and all of the other spending that has occurred in this administration -- not just the stimulus spending -- created this magic?

Right, because we had a typhoon in Japan, and we had the Arab spring. Oh! Oh! You remind me. I got a story here in the stack: One of these idiots down there at Occupy Wall Street claims that they were inspired by the Arab spring and that that's why they are marching. H.R. dug that one out in some obscure weekly publication in the Bowery. So, anyway, folks, I just sit here and I don't quite know how to verbalize the emotions I'm feeling over this because they run the gamut of anger, shock, dismay, suspension -- willing suspension -- of disbelief, all of it. It's just the Twilight Zone, alternate universe."

Read the whole piece here: http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/10/06/first_thoughts_anger_shock_dismay_as_obama_sets_up_country_for_riots


As is the same with Alex Jones, he is against the protests and plans to have his own protests against the FED, and I also disagree with him.

One more thing and then I'm off this thread. I don't know who is truly behind this protest, not sure if it was supposedly planned/financed by Obama or Soros, but even if it was intended to push the citizenry towards violence by TPTB, but it hasn't worked. There is something happening there that can't be explained, a consciousness that pervades this movement that can't be denied and I have a gut feeling that the protester's humanity is going to override and ultimately disrupt any negative intentions, if any.

There is something happening here, something more on a consciousness level, it's changing things, and I think the positive energy that these protesters are emanating is having a powerful effect on our country. My hope is that it spreads across the world, it's a beautiful thing!

Peace and love to all!

[eaglespirit]

http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution

This IS Live...the livestream will be back up once the operator gets a re-charge.

The caption on the screen is not accurate(calling out yesterday evening) and will soon be corrected...this is live!

And in NO way, shape or form orchestrated by tptb or their minions.

This IS Us!

[Darla Ken Pearce]

The video in this thread might as well be put out by TPTW, it features their perspective and negativity and some new causes for dissension.

This movement into freedom cannot be stopped ~ it's all over but the shouting and most of that is taking place in this thread and not even in the external world. This is so important, I want to repeat it so it can soak into our available memory molecules and cell banks instead of festering and causing gas pains.

Change is coming for the better and it can't be stopped.
Change is coming for the better and it can't be stopped.
Change is coming for the better and it can't be stopped.

Debate it all you want. Endlessly like the old wars if you must. Still there is no stopping it. While you're at it ~ Consider these things:

It's a video called NOT IN FEAR and it's the element that's been missing. There are enough of us, yes, enough of the 99% with or without YOU ~ to take back control and it can't be stopped.... Why?

Our time has come! Love is to prevail. Freedom and the end of all wars against each other. No question about it but you will see this for yourself and bear witness to these important events with your very own eyes, ears, and hearts...

For some of you, all that needs changing is your negative attitude and disbelief but these are choices.

We are creating a new future now and a great shift is upon us. And so it is...

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[Unified Serenity]

You know, just because I do not trust this occupy wallstreet movement does not mean I am stuck in negative energy, supporting the sts types, and not myself looking forward to change. I just think some are so eager for change they will accept anything that appears like the change we desire. So, you have your views and I have mine. That does not mean anything about my spiritual development or yours. It does not mean we cannot continue to send positive energy change that will be what we desire, it only means we view occupy wallstreet differently.

[Normalguy31]

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This guy seems to know what he is talking about.

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I think this guy does also.

Stop watching the fox, and CNN videos on YouTube. Like they would pick out a person that would actually make some sense, and put it on air. How would Ann Coulter be able to say her condescending one liners to interviews like the one above?

[Charlie Pecos]

The Origins of Occupy Wall Street Exposed
Salon.com


And then we keep on looking at the sorry state of the political left in the United States and how the Tea Party is passionately strutting their stuff while the left is sort of hiding somewhere. We felt that there was a real potential for a Tahrir moment in America because (a) the political left needs it and (b) because people are losing their jobs, people are losing their houses, and young people cannot find a job. We felt that the people who gave us this mess -- the financial fraudsters on Wall St -- haven't even been brought to justice yet. We felt this was the right moment to instigate something.

Full article here: http://images.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/10/04/adbusters_occupy_wall_st/index.html

[sidh25]

wonderful calz...simply wonderful..

this is in response to the keith olbermann video sorry didnt realize posts updating on this thread so quickly

[nottelling]

That would touch off a nation-wide or even global rage which could not be satiated by a cut in interest rates or lofty promises. The gloves would be off and they would feel the full fury.

First it would be aimed at the politicians or government agency directors who ordered it, then it would spread to a white-hot campaign of pitchforkings and lynchings of banksters which would make the French Revolution look like a schoolyard fight. It would be the dumbest thing TPTB have ever done - and we'd still win. You see, they cannot control a non-cooperative population.



Hi nottelling. Trust me, you don't want a new French Revolution, much less worse, unless you want to see the guillitines eventually being worked full time by those, and on those who rebelled in the first place. All they managed to do was trade one tyranny for a new and far worse one. This is PRECISELY what the globalists want, they are drooling at the possibility, and they WILL win hands down such an encounter. Don't kid yourself.

Hi Fred,

Thanks for the lesson and for completely missing the point of my post. I'm probably more aware than you are of the short and long-term human cost of a peaceful popular movement such as this one turning violent - don't make assumptions. You'd be wrong.

My initial post stands. Non-cooperation and non-compliance en masse trumps ANY attempt at control - up to and including the deployment of the National Guard. If TPTB/W are responsible for kicking off this movement, which I do not believe for a second, then they have made the gravest miscalculation in human history.

[Solstice]

Thanks! rationality.....Who is feeding these kids? They organize via their I phones. Big organized unions back them up. This is not the 60's. No one in that park is being sent to fight anywhere. For most of them....living in the park... I bet this is the most uncomfortable they have ever been in their lives. I look forward to the inevitable law suits and pts thes poor kids are going to have to endure.

Got to say this is areally lame protest. I heard some got maced because they were trying really hard to get arrested. Surprise! When the worst experience in your young life is the selection of wrinkley institutional chicken at school ... getting a warm shot of acid laced goat piss in your eyes must be a real surprise. Like" oh ****" like I can't see" like "give me a tissue the ribbons of fluid pouring from my glands is so like ....call my mom and get me home! And the ride to jail...what about all those poor bladder shy kids in a holding cell with one open toilet. "Oh the Horror...The horror". Such tools!

Question? What happens when your I phone battery goes dead?

statement... The young entrepreneur selling squares of tp for 1$ apiece is making a fortune!

[nottelling]

For most of them....living in the park... I bet this is the most uncomfortable they have ever been in their lives....


http://i.imgur.com/GmSFY.jpg

Methinks you need to educate yourself on what it's all about. We're not talking about a bunch of snot-nosed stinking hippies here. We're talking about EVERYONE with eyes to see.

Peace out.

[GCS1103]

Limbaugh got rich blaming everything...EVERYTHING...on the democrats. That's what he does. He is pretty good at it. There are lots of people that help him out. Last time I checked, Rush was bringing in around $10,000,000 a year.

I don't think that he even believes half of what he says sometimes. But it sure does pay well.

Just because Soros put some money behind a cause it doesn't mean that he orchestrated the entire thing like some evil genius.



The jobs bill, no argument there. Bread and circuses. Except the populace finally got sick of the reruns and stale wonder bread.

Edit to Add: I just looked it up. Rush makes $37,500,000 per year for his clear channel contract alone. That's before endorsements and speaking engagements.

Hardly an unbiased source.

Actually, Rush Limbaugh makes $54,000,000.00 from all his enterprises. He has confirmed this number several times himself. Since I have actually met Rush Limbaugh and was invited onto one of his shows when he was doing television, I can tell you first hand that he does believe what he says and he is not a Republican. He is a conservative who disagrees with many Republicans when he believes they are not conservative enough. You are correct in your assessment that he blames Democrats for lots of things.

[Arrowwind]

It has been said that only 2% of the population becoming actively involved is the threshold in which a movement, or revolution, becomes unavoidable.

That's somewhere slightly north of 6 million US citizens required to to get this done. At that level, there is not enough police and military to control the public.

We're not there yet, but the numbers are growing every day. Three weeks ago this was a joke, today the President addressed the issue in a news conference. Congressman Kucinich made a statement in support of the movement. The Vice President made a statement. The MSM is finally reporting their shallow version of the truth.

Is the movement going to go away because congress agrees to a surtax on the 1%? This is heartfelt frustration being aired by a population that has seen the elite of the elite gamble away our futures, and now we are being asked to pay higher taxes for fewer services while our infrastructure crumbles around us. All so that those who stole from us don't have to accept anything less than 100 cents on the dollar for their dishonest instruments. While the 1% has been taking an ever greater portion of our wealth, real take home pay of workers has not recovered to 1973 levels.

This is real, and even if OWS fizzles with the coming winter, the mood of the country has changed. OWS isn't going to solve anything today, or even tomorrow. Those who are on the streets now will return to thier homes when the snow flies. But, they will talk to their friends and family, they will discuss the truth with their co-workers. Eyes are being opened, opinions are changing. It will take years for real reform to take root and blossom. The seeds have been sown and are being watered now. Spring is coming, but I am afraid that we have not yet descended into the depths of the winter.

Take heart and brace yourselves for the coming cold.

I agree. I hope this does wake the people. but not to awaken to more delusions. It is the Matrix you know.
Why should the one percent at the top pay for the sins of the bankers who keep all their money offshore and pay not a single dime?
These corrupt people need to go to jail either here in the US or in the EU or be taken to court by the Hague for crimes against humanity.

The small business man in the US who does honest work, has shares of his stock on wall street and employs maybe 250 people, who has his business just down the street from you should not legally or ethically be forced to pay for the crimes of others.

Its time for real justice. .. and you wont find it by shutting down wall street. You will find it sending the true criminals to jail, making them pay for their theivery, and in correcting the system by creating the correct regulations in banking. But most of all the Federal Reserve, the front of the Rockefellers, must go. It is the elite who has done this to us... and they are beyond the wealthiest in our nation, whom most have been quite busy making jobs for the not so wealthy. Soros, who owns at least half of monsanto though stock acquisition, and Buffett, whom the tax the rich bill is named for, wont pay a dime. They keep their money off shore. How Ironic. These people on the Occupy Wall street seem to be playing right into their hands
. Please understand... this is the face of the NWO... and they are coming for the hearts and minds of all, and presenting change YOU CAN BELIEVE IN
and you will surely believe it when it is upon you

[Arrowwind]

Rush Limbaugh is a huge distractor who's only game is pitting one group against the other. He is a waste of time and appeals only to those who do not know how to think for themselves.

He consistently avoids the true issues of the day... that is the NWO and the elite who back it. I listen to the jerk all the time. He's on the only radio station I can get back here in the mountains.... but please, casting Limbaugh in this negative light does not make me a liberal... far from it.
Libertarian all the way. Go Jesse, Go Ron.

[Raven]

The problem with occupy wallstreet is they have no real cause. There is no point. They are down their just to be down there. They are frustrated that they missed the 1960's, oh wait there were some 60's throwbacks with yellow bags on them saying something about "grannies....", and want to have something to protest. Just wait another day or two and the media mouthpieces will give them a worthy message. yes, a thousand people at a protest, and they yell so it must be a major movement. They stink (literally), they litter all over the place and when interviewed cannot cogently discuss what their issues are beyond corporate greed. 99% love Obama and do not even see that he is just a much a player in this as any other leading politicians. Now the Unions are offering their support. It's a build up for anarchy, and they want to create a firestorm and mayhem, thus Order our of Chaos. Distract the people and don't see what is really going on elsewhere.

Compare this to the hundreds of thousands in the Teaparty who have been protesting and how the media has maligned their actual message. Watch the interviews of those at the Teaparty protests and they know why they are there, they have lots of issues to talk about, and they leave the grounds cleaner when they leave than they were when they arrived. Oh, and of course the Unions set up counter protests against the Teaparty. Why, cause they want all those stimulus dollars and Teaparty types will get in their way.

This is just more drama for the masses. The clock is still ticking and nothing is changing.

What a horseshyte response Unified Serenity, I am truly shocked.
Here are some causes to consider:
1. College students that are graduating or have graduated have no jobs to pay for their student loans.... they are occupying wall street and america.
2. Many people here in NY in all races colors and creeds are being laid off and are trying to support either themselves or their families or trying to pay the mortgage... they are occupying wall street.
3. Inflation has skyrocketed, food, energy, gasoline, pharmaceuticals... as well as Medical insurance.
4. Its not just an individual subject the protestor's are focused on anymore. People have had enough, fed up and disgusted with the way our government has been treating its people, like pee on's taking away our rights that our country stood was built on. And its time to voice our opinion.

No Cause you say, No Point to protest Hmmmm... i think you better think outside the box . Be advised , these are not just 60's people protesting as you quoted, they are middle and lower class human beings, students, school teachers, janitors, clerical workers, fathers, mothers, grandparents whom are trying to stay afloat. We NY's need to heat our homes when it gets cold outside it does get cold here. Its not warm here like it is in Florida in the winter months. So what would your suggestions be when people in the world have had enough? Let me know im all ears. Would You Care to join us and try to make a better transition? We the people can make a real change, not the change Obama has suggested. The bandwagon is waiting.

here is something else to consider:

Wonder why unemployed and poorly paid Americans are angry and active? Have look...

Really? Are the CEO's in the United States THAT much smarter; do they work THAT...See More
By: ‎"SMALL PEOPLE" AGAINST BIG GOVERNMENT (see facebook page)


Country ratio of pay
CEO : Avg. Worker

Japan 11:1
Germany 12:1
France 15:1
Italy 20:1
Canada 20:1
South Africa 21:1
Britain 22:1
Mexico 47:1
Venezuela 50:1
United States 475:1

[Buck]

As is the same with Alex Jones, he is against the protests and plans to have his own protests against the FED, and I also disagree with him.

One more thing and then I'm off this thread. I don't know who is truly behind this protest, not sure if it was supposedly planned/financed by Obama or Soros, but even if it was intended to push the citizenry towards violence by TPTB, but it hasn't worked. There is something happening there that can't be explained, a consciousness that pervades this movement that can't be denied and I have a gut feeling that the protester's humanity is going to override and ultimately disrupt any negative intentions, if any.

There is something happening here, something more on a consciousness level, it's changing things, and I think the positive energy that these protesters are emanating is having a powerful effect on our country. My hope is that it spreads across the world, it's a beautiful thing!

Peace and love to all![/QUOTE]


Providence I agree w you, this does not seem to be playing out in a manner that can be predicted, much less engineered or even (dare I say) controlled. It is messy, organic, exponential, viral. It may become something else entirely, who knows. And Fred even though you are speaking as a critic of this event, you referenced a perfect quote to help describe this ; "As Einstein said: "No problem can be solved on the same level it was created." This was not created on the control/manipulation/partisan level, and even if it was, it has already gone "off script" every which way.

I see there are some comments on here criticizing the protestors for not having has a tough enough life, not being clear with their demands, for having iPhones (?) and for being dirty and irresponsible. There is even a passage quoted from, and another post with a personal endorsement of Rush Limbaugh, mention of Beck and Soros and Obama, others claiming that the tea party movement is really a grass roots movement that was "suppressed" by the media.

Engaging in this type of partisanship politics is to allow yourselves to be manipulated by the PTB. Cultural programming, disinformation, distraction and media manipulation all operate by first seducing you to identify with a viewpoint or worldview. You guys, of ALL people, should be intimately familiar with this setup. That's step one. The rest is all just watching you dance like puppets on a string. All of us do know there is no such thing as a "conservative" or a "liberal"- right? You do know that these terms have inverted, commingled, rewritten and completely codified for convenient use by the PTB. You do know that, right?

This is something happening on a different level altogether.

[Unified Serenity]

Here is an interesting clip. It shows a planned event that is not just some grass roots movement. Hope and change are what Obama ran upon. He surrounds himself with extreme leftist ideologues and he wants to fundamentally change America. The finger is being pointed at capitolism and corporate greed. It's as if we have not had years and years of big brother creating problems for business, driving companies overseas, and ruining our manufacturing base. Oh, it's all corporate greed and capitolism's fault! This is the classic problem, reaction, solution and the people are playing their roles very well. I want change, but what they have planned for us out of this "crisis" is not some no money system utopia where we are all equal, all living in wonderful homes with plenty of food, clothes, education and medical care. The goal is Animal Farm in action.

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Edited to add:

There is a difference between capitolism and crony capitolism. The recent destruction of our economy has taken many years to set up the implosion of the housing market, destruction of the job market, and the decline in education so that we are not competing on equal grounds. Obama's administration has done nothing to help fix the problems. The too big to fail companies were bailed out. Foreign banks are bailed out with OUR money. This is not a Republican vs. Democrat issue. They are pawns used by an elite group that wants us all to be their servents and they can play lord and king again worldwide. This is end game time, and it's a set up. Don't think for a minute that this won't turn into something much worse in the end.

The solution is spiritual. Obama's people want the eyes off of them, and pointed at Corporations. These same people who have raped us financially through political games and cronyism are playing us for fools.

[Unified Serenity]

Facts that cannot be ignored of who is steering OWS, and thus what is the real goal? It takes Alex a few minutes to get to the meat of his comments, but please watch this because he spells it out so clearly. There are good people down at OWS, but what's really happening? Alex has it nailed:

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You can go to youtube to watch the other 3 parts.


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[nottelling]

Here is an interesting clip. It shows a planned event that is not just some grass roots movement. Hope and change are what Obama ran upon. He surrounds himself with extreme leftist ideologues and he wants to fundamentally change America. The finger is being pointed at capitolism and corporate greed. It's as if we have not had years and years of big brother creating problems for business, driving companies overseas, and ruining our manufacturing base. Oh, it's all corporate greed and capitolism's fault! This is the classic problem, reaction, solution and the people are playing their roles very well. I want change, but what they have planned for us out of this "crisis" is not some no money system utopia where we are all equal, all living in wonderful homes with plenty of food, clothes, education and medical care. The goal is Animal Farm in action.

9jOxERtkwN4

Edited to add:

There is a difference between capitolism and crony capitolism. The recent destruction of our economy has taken many years to set up the implosion of the housing market, destruction of the job market, and the decline in education so that we are not competing on equal grounds. Obama's administration has done nothing to help fix the problems. The too big to fail companies were bailed out. Foreign banks are bailed out with OUR money. This is not a Republican vs. Democrat issue. They are pawns used by an elite group that wants us all to be their servents and they can play lord and king again worldwide. This is end game time, and it's a set up. Don't think for a minute that this won't turn into something much worse in the end.

The solution is spiritual. Obama's people want the eyes off of them, and pointed at Corporations. These same people who have raped us financially through political games and cronyism are playing us for fools.

A cherry-picked video is evidence of a sinister plot to destroy America and turn it into a communist gulag? I could probably find a similar interview (not filmed by an obscure, openly socialist cable TV channel) talking to a Libertarian or even a fed up republican saying they want an immediate return to the original principles of the US Constitution. So what? Opinions are like ar$eholes - everyone's got one. You have hundreds of thousands of people all around the United States alone supporting OWS on the streets of America - they do not all have the same political outlook. Hell, I'm a rabidly fanatical Libertarian but I support it.

or... is this all about obama again? LOL

Whatever he did, he tried and failed. And how did he get into power anyway? He was bought by corporate donations in exchange for kick-backs and promises to the donating parties, which of course, is a big part of what this "evil socialist plot" called Occupy Wall Street is all about.

From an Anonymous/OWS planning site posted back in September:


On September 17, we want to see 20,000 people flood into lower Manhattan, set up tents, kitchens, peaceful barricades and occupy Wall Street for a few months. Once there, we shall incessantly repeat one simple demand in a plurality of voices.

Beginning from one simple demand – a presidential commission to separate money from politics – we start setting the agenda for a new America.

Separate money from politics, then no more obamas and hopefully no more angst on internet forums - jesus, it gets tiresome.

Your rage against the obama administration and the Democrat party's socialist connections is blinding you to the wider picture.

Educate yourself rather than relying on youtube vids which only tell you what you want to hear. Then, after you have a bit more of an idea about what's going on... Lead, follow or get out of the way because this is happening with or without your support.

Expect Us.

Edit: Added some bold text for the skimmers and part of the Anon slogan to strike fear into the hearts of bankster-worshippers everywhere bwahahaha.

[Unified Serenity]

Here is an interesting clip. It shows a planned event that is not just some grass roots movement. Hope and change are what Obama ran upon. He surrounds himself with extreme leftist ideologues and he wants to fundamentally change America. The finger is being pointed at capitolism and corporate greed. It's as if we have not had years and years of big brother creating problems for business, driving companies overseas, and ruining our manufacturing base. Oh, it's all corporate greed and capitolism's fault! This is the classic problem, reaction, solution and the people are playing their roles very well. I want change, but what they have planned for us out of this "crisis" is not some no money system utopia where we are all equal, all living in wonderful homes with plenty of food, clothes, education and medical care. The goal is Animal Farm in action.

9jOxERtkwN4

Edited to add:

There is a difference between capitolism and crony capitolism. The recent destruction of our economy has taken many years to set up the implosion of the housing market, destruction of the job market, and the decline in education so that we are not competing on equal grounds. Obama's administration has done nothing to help fix the problems. The too big to fail companies were bailed out. Foreign banks are bailed out with OUR money. This is not a Republican vs. Democrat issue. They are pawns used by an elite group that wants us all to be their servents and they can play lord and king again worldwide. This is end game time, and it's a set up. Don't think for a minute that this won't turn into something much worse in the end.

The solution is spiritual. Obama's people want the eyes off of them, and pointed at Corporations. These same people who have raped us financially through political games and cronyism are playing us for fools.

A cherry-picked video is evidence of a sinister plot to destroy America and turn it into a communist gulag? I could probably find a similar interview (not filmed by an obscure, openly socialist cable TV channel) talking to a Libertarian or even a fed up republican saying they want an immediate return to the original principles of the US Constitution. So what? Opinions are like ar$eholes - everyone's got one. You have hundreds of thousands of people all around the United States alone supporting OWS on the streets of America - they do not all have the same political outlook. Hell, I'm a rabidly fanatical Libertarian but I support it.

or... is this all about obama again? LOL

Whatever he did, he tried and failed. And how did he get into power anyway? He was bought by corporate donations in exchange for kick-backs and promises to the donating parties, which of course, is a big part of what this "evil socialist plot" called Occupy Wall Street is all about.

From an Anonymous/OWS planning site posted back in September:


On September 17, we want to see 20,000 people flood into lower Manhattan, set up tents, kitchens, peaceful barricades and occupy Wall Street for a few months. Once there, we shall incessantly repeat one simple demand in a plurality of voices.

Beginning from one simple demand – a presidential commission to separate money from politics – we start setting the agenda for a new America.

Separate money from politics, then no more obamas and hopefully no more angst on internet forums - jesus, it gets tiresome.

Your rage against the obama administration and the Democrat party's socialist connections is blinding you to the wider picture.

Educate yourself rather than relying on youtube vids which only tell you what you want to hear. Then, after you have a bit more of an idea about what's going on... Lead, follow or get out of the way because this is happening with or without your support.

Expect Us.

Edit: Added some bold text for the skimmers and part of the Anon slogan to strike fear into the hearts of bankster-worshippers everywhere bwahahaha.

Cherry picked video? What the heck is news and information any of us present? This woman was interviewed and she is among the original organizers. It's her words, it's her admission of where this started and who is getting the groups together. She is a mouthpiece and she is working there, so I think she would know what's going on. The fact is, the PTB who are the Federal Reserve and IMF know the world is angry. They are giving a way to use that anger, to set up the new system.

Ignore the facts and keep on wishing for a different outcome. It's worked in France, Russia, Greece, Egypt, Syria etc.. We must not play this game.

[Davidallany]

This is interesting, the protest could be fake, but not because of the things mentioned by the commentator. It's possible to bring military and police members from other states and make them fake this. But to what end? This kind of event would most likely encourage similar ones, creating instability and active civil unrest in the states, is this what those in power want?

Allegedly, there is a deleted 2 hours worth of recording, this doesn't mean that the protest was fake, as for the drill, it's maybe a warm up for the police to deal with the unexpected. When I was security guard in Calgary 1998, we were told by police two days ahead that there will be a protest against NAFTA meeting in Calgary, and that they may do some demonstrations inside Gulf Canada Square, where I did security. How did the police know? Did the organizers of the protest requested police presence or were there informers? It seems that the Police knows about events like this ahead of time in North America.

[risveglio]

Yes. They have demands:

http://dailybail.com/home/website-for-voting-on-demands-for-occupy-wall-street.html

Cheers,

Raf.

That's a nice website some good stuff, but if you watch the interviews of the people down there, they outright say they don't know why they are there. It reminds me of the Wisconsin protests and students there. When asked why they were there, they said because because uhmmm, cause I got on a bus and they told me what to say. So there you go. .

Don't believe everything you see, (for example the palm trees in Madison shown on FOX news) the students I marched with in Madison, knew exactly why they were there, to stop a full out attack in the dead of night, passing bills with no input from the public, removing elected positions and filing them with the governors personal appointees, cutting public school funding while increasing charter school funding, trying to get rid of the unions etc. Feel free to sit by and watch, but DON'T tell me that I was there for any other reason than my rights were being attacked and I was NOT going to sit by and let it happen! Occupy Wall street may be in the early stages but the people there are sick and tired of the way government is run, being controlled by lobyists, corps and the rich. They work for US not THEM and that is why they are there. So again sit by and watch I am sure that will help change!

But the solution of the ones I see on an interview is more government. Government is the problem, how is government going to solve the problem?

[nottelling]

Cherry picked video? What the heck is news and information any of us present? This woman was interviewed and she is among the original organizers. It's her words, it's her admission of where this started and who is getting the groups together. She is a mouthpiece and she is working there, so I think she would know what's going on. The fact is, the PTB who are the Federal Reserve and IMF know the world is angry. They are giving a way to use that anger, to set up the new system.

Ignore the facts and keep on wishing for a different outcome. It's worked in France, Russia, Greece, Egypt, Syria etc.. We must not play this game.

Most definitely cherry-picked.

Non-MSM, left-lurching cable TV channel interviews an as-left-as-you-can-get union chick and some dude at the extreme opposite of that spectrum edits down the video to highlight all the pinko crud spewing forth and uploads it to youtube?

C'mon U/S... surely you're cluey enough to recognise propaganda (of all flavours) when you see it. Critical thinking is fun.

But back to the stated aim of separating money from politics... Get money out of US politics and no more obamas. what are your thoughts on that issue?

[Fred Steeves]

Your rage against the obama administration and the Democrat party's socialist connections is blinding you to the wider picture.

Educate yourself rather than relying on youtube vids which only tell you what you want to hear. Then, after you have a bit more of an idea about what's going on... Lead, follow or get out of the way because this is happening with or without your support.

Expect Us.


Good grief nottelling, why the arrogance and condescending put downs? I see you're celebrating your 5th day here at Avalon, is this what we can expect more of from you in the future? People of good faith can have differences of opinion on any given matter, and yet conduct a healthy exchange of ideas and research in a friendly and respectful manner.

We tend to be a fairly intelligent lot here at Avalon, so just because some people may have come to a differing conclusion on a subject than you, does not automatically make them the village idiot.

Cheers,
Fred

[nottelling]

Your rage against the obama administration and the Democrat party's socialist connections is blinding you to the wider picture.

Educate yourself rather than relying on youtube vids which only tell you what you want to hear. Then, after you have a bit more of an idea about what's going on... Lead, follow or get out of the way because this is happening with or without your support.

Expect Us.


Good grief nottelling, why the arrogance and condescending put downs? I see you're celebrating your 5th day here at Avalon, is this what we can expect more of from you in the future? People of good faith can have differences of opinion on any given matter, and yet conduct a healthy exchange of ideas and research in a friendly and respectful manner.

We tend to be a fairly intelligent lot here at Avalon, so just because some people may have come to a differing conclusion on a subject than you, does not automatically make them the village idiot.

Cheers,
Fred

I agree totally, Fred - on all points.

[Providence]

Your rage against the obama administration and the Democrat party's socialist connections is blinding you to the wider picture.

Educate yourself rather than relying on youtube vids which only tell you what you want to hear. Then, after you have a bit more of an idea about what's going on... Lead, follow or get out of the way because this is happening with or without your support.

Expect Us.


Good grief nottelling, why the arrogance and condescending put downs? I see you're celebrating your 5th day here at Avalon, is this what we can expect more of from you in the future? People of good faith can have differences of opinion on any given matter, and yet conduct a healthy exchange of ideas and research in a friendly and respectful manner.

We tend to be a fairly intelligent lot here at Avalon, so just because some people may have come to a differing conclusion on a subject than you, does not automatically make them the village idiot.

Cheers,
Fred

Fred is right!

Everyone has the right to disagree, AND to expect to be treated with respect, even in disagreement.

Thanks Fred!

[Apofay]

Your rage against the obama administration and the Democrat party's socialist connections is blinding you to the wider picture.

Educate yourself rather than relying on youtube vids which only tell you what you want to hear. Then, after you have a bit more of an idea about what's going on... Lead, follow or get out of the way because this is happening with or without your support.

Expect Us.


Good grief nottelling, why the arrogance and condescending put downs? I see you're celebrating your 5th day here at Avalon, is this what we can expect more of from you in the future? People of good faith can have differences of opinion on any given matter, and yet conduct a healthy exchange of ideas and research in a friendly and respectful manner.

We tend to be a fairly intelligent lot here at Avalon, so just because some people may have come to a differing conclusion on a subject than you, does not automatically make them the village idiot.

Cheers,
Fred

I believe this started to go down hill when U/S called us Protestors "Usefull Idiots", that tends to feel like a direct attack on me, and tends to lead discussions in a not so positive way. I want money out of politics, therefore I protest, you may sit on the sideline with your theories, and maybe you will be right, but I choose to take action!

[nottelling]

I apologise for my passion manifesting itself as apparent arrogance. The issues at hand are most definitely polarising and therefore things can get a little heated. I realise this is one of the most civil places on the internet for such discussions. If I have offended anyone with my rantings and ravings I heartily and humbly apologise.

I have taken Fred's and Providence's words to heart and will conduct myself in a less passionate manner henceforth.

[nottelling]

If it is any consolation to those who are as passionate in their belief that OWS is a PTB setup as I am in mine that it is not, here is a news story which illustrates the frustration of the folks on the ground (who are out there demonstrating for YOU) at the constant attempts by both right and left to co-opt the movement:

Source: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i4xoSKlwHIi5oAWBYoiZ2xYl-qEA?docId=ead8140276c2441f87509be1b6dd1a3b


Wall Street protesters disgusted with both parties

By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press – 35 minutes ago

NEW YORK (AP) — Although their main concern is Wall Street practices and economic inequality, some demonstrators in New York and across the U.S. say politicians from both major parties are to blame for policies they say protect corporate America at the expense of the country's middle class.

"At this point I don't see any difference between George Bush and (Barack) Obama. The middle class is a lot worse than when Obama was elected," said John Penley, an unemployed legal worker from Brooklyn.

The Occupy Wall Street movement, which began last month with a small number of young people pitching a tent in front of the New York Stock Exchange, has expanded nationally and drawn a wide variety of activists, including retirees, union members and laid-off workers. As new groups continue to organize, demonstrators Thursday marched in Philadelphia, Salt Lake City, Los Angeles and Anchorage, Alaska, carrying signs with slogans such as "Get money out of politics" and "I can't afford a lobbyist."

The protests are in some ways the liberal flip side of the tea party movement, which was launched in 2009 in a populist reaction against the bank and auto bailouts and the $787 billion economic stimulus plan.

But while tea party activists eventually became a crucial part of the Republican coalition, the Occupy Wall Street protesters are cutting President Barack Obama little slack. They say Obama failed to crack down on the banks after the 2008 mortgage meltdown and financial crisis.

"He could have taken a much more populist, aggressive stance at the beginning against Wall Street bonuses, and exacting certain change from bailing out the banks," said Michael Kazin, a Georgetown University history professor and author of "American Dreamers," a history of the left. "But ultimately, the economy has not gotten much better, and that's underscored the frustration on both the right and the left."

Obama on Thursday acknowledged the economic insecurities fueling the nearly 3-week-old Wall Street protests. But he pinned responsibility on the financial industry and on congressional Republicans he says have blocked his efforts to kick-start job growth.

"I think people are frustrated and the protesters are giving voice to a more broad-based frustration about how our financial system works," he said at a nationally televised news conference. "The American people understand that not everybody has been following the rules, that Wall Street is an example of that ... and that's going to express itself politically in 2012 and beyond."

He said the U.S. must have a strong and effective financial sector for the economy to grow, and that the financial regulation bill he championed ensures tougher oversight of the financial industry.

The president also has been pushing for a $443 billion jobs plan to be paid for in part through a tax on the wealthy. Republicans have resisted such tax increases.

GOP presidential candidates Mitt Romney and Herman Cain have criticized the anti-Wall Street protests. All the Republican contenders have also pushed back against the demonization of Wall Street. They accuse the Obama administration of setting regulatory policies that have stifled job creation and say his health care overhaul will prevent many businesses from hiring new workers.

In Zuccotti Park, the center of the Occupy Wall Street protests in New York, activists expressed deep frustration with the political gridlock in Washington. While some blamed Republicans for blocking reform, others singled out Obama.

"His message is that he's sticking to the party line, which is 'we are taking care of the situation.' But he's not proposing any solutions," said Thorin Caristo, an antiques store owner from Plainfield, Conn.

But Robert Arnow, a retired real estate worker, said the Republicans need to tell their congressional leaders, "You're standing in the way of change."

Quacy Cayasso, a Web designer, didn't watch Obama's news conference even though it was broadcast on TV monitors at the protest site in New York.

"He's a cool president, but he was given a hard task," Cayasso said. "He should get some gratitude for what he's done so far, but he's been overlooking jobs and not putting much effort into that until now."

Associated Press writer Patrick Walters in Philadelphia contributed to this story.

Copyright © 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.


The useful idiots aren't so unaware after all.

[risveglio]

If it is any consolation to those who are as passionate in their belief that OWS is a PTB setup as I am in mine that it is not, here is a news story which illustrates the frustration of the folks on the ground (who are out there demonstrating for YOU) at the constant attempts by both right and left to co-opt the movement:

Source: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i4xoSKlwHIi5oAWBYoiZ2xYl-qEA?docId=ead8140276c2441f87509be1b6dd1a3b


Wall Street protesters disgusted with both parties

By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press – 35 minutes ago

NEW YORK (AP) — Although their main concern is Wall Street practices and economic inequality, some demonstrators in New York and across the U.S. say politicians from both major parties are to blame for policies they say protect corporate America at the expense of the country's middle class.

"At this point I don't see any difference between George Bush and (Barack) Obama. The middle class is a lot worse than when Obama was elected," said John Penley, an unemployed legal worker from Brooklyn.

The Occupy Wall Street movement, which began last month with a small number of young people pitching a tent in front of the New York Stock Exchange, has expanded nationally and drawn a wide variety of activists, including retirees, union members and laid-off workers. As new groups continue to organize, demonstrators Thursday marched in Philadelphia, Salt Lake City, Los Angeles and Anchorage, Alaska, carrying signs with slogans such as "Get money out of politics" and "I can't afford a lobbyist."

The protests are in some ways the liberal flip side of the tea party movement, which was launched in 2009 in a populist reaction against the bank and auto bailouts and the $787 billion economic stimulus plan.

But while tea party activists eventually became a crucial part of the Republican coalition, the Occupy Wall Street protesters are cutting President Barack Obama little slack. They say Obama failed to crack down on the banks after the 2008 mortgage meltdown and financial crisis.

"He could have taken a much more populist, aggressive stance at the beginning against Wall Street bonuses, and exacting certain change from bailing out the banks," said Michael Kazin, a Georgetown University history professor and author of "American Dreamers," a history of the left. "But ultimately, the economy has not gotten much better, and that's underscored the frustration on both the right and the left."

Obama on Thursday acknowledged the economic insecurities fueling the nearly 3-week-old Wall Street protests. But he pinned responsibility on the financial industry and on congressional Republicans he says have blocked his efforts to kick-start job growth.

"I think people are frustrated and the protesters are giving voice to a more broad-based frustration about how our financial system works," he said at a nationally televised news conference. "The American people understand that not everybody has been following the rules, that Wall Street is an example of that ... and that's going to express itself politically in 2012 and beyond."

He said the U.S. must have a strong and effective financial sector for the economy to grow, and that the financial regulation bill he championed ensures tougher oversight of the financial industry.

The president also has been pushing for a $443 billion jobs plan to be paid for in part through a tax on the wealthy. Republicans have resisted such tax increases.

GOP presidential candidates Mitt Romney and Herman Cain have criticized the anti-Wall Street protests. All the Republican contenders have also pushed back against the demonization of Wall Street. They accuse the Obama administration of setting regulatory policies that have stifled job creation and say his health care overhaul will prevent many businesses from hiring new workers.

In Zuccotti Park, the center of the Occupy Wall Street protests in New York, activists expressed deep frustration with the political gridlock in Washington. While some blamed Republicans for blocking reform, others singled out Obama.

"His message is that he's sticking to the party line, which is 'we are taking care of the situation.' But he's not proposing any solutions," said Thorin Caristo, an antiques store owner from Plainfield, Conn.

But Robert Arnow, a retired real estate worker, said the Republicans need to tell their congressional leaders, "You're standing in the way of change."

Quacy Cayasso, a Web designer, didn't watch Obama's news conference even though it was broadcast on TV monitors at the protest site in New York.

"He's a cool president, but he was given a hard task," Cayasso said. "He should get some gratitude for what he's done so far, but he's been overlooking jobs and not putting much effort into that until now."

Associated Press writer Patrick Walters in Philadelphia contributed to this story.

Copyright © 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.


The useful idiots aren't so unaware after all.

The author is unaware of one thing, the tea party started in 2007, not 2009. I was a "member" in 2007, I quit in 2009. As for Mr Cayasso's statement, what has Obama done so far that he deserves gratitude for? Bailing out the banks, increasing the war, assassinating a US citizen?

[Providence]

If it is any consolation to those who are as passionate in their belief that OWS is a PTB setup as I am in mine that it is not, here is a news story which illustrates the frustration of the folks on the ground (who are out there demonstrating for YOU) at the constant attempts by both right and left to co-opt the movement:

Source: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i4xoSKlwHIi5oAWBYoiZ2xYl-qEA?docId=ead8140276c2441f87509be1b6dd1a3b


Wall Street protesters disgusted with both parties

By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press – 35 minutes ago

NEW YORK (AP) — Although their main concern is Wall Street practices and economic inequality, some demonstrators in New York and across the U.S. say politicians from both major parties are to blame for policies they say protect corporate America at the expense of the country's middle class.

"At this point I don't see any difference between George Bush and (Barack) Obama. The middle class is a lot worse than when Obama was elected," said John Penley, an unemployed legal worker from Brooklyn.

The Occupy Wall Street movement, which began last month with a small number of young people pitching a tent in front of the New York Stock Exchange, has expanded nationally and drawn a wide variety of activists, including retirees, union members and laid-off workers. As new groups continue to organize, demonstrators Thursday marched in Philadelphia, Salt Lake City, Los Angeles and Anchorage, Alaska, carrying signs with slogans such as "Get money out of politics" and "I can't afford a lobbyist."

The protests are in some ways the liberal flip side of the tea party movement, which was launched in 2009 in a populist reaction against the bank and auto bailouts and the $787 billion economic stimulus plan.

But while tea party activists eventually became a crucial part of the Republican coalition, the Occupy Wall Street protesters are cutting President Barack Obama little slack. They say Obama failed to crack down on the banks after the 2008 mortgage meltdown and financial crisis.

"He could have taken a much more populist, aggressive stance at the beginning against Wall Street bonuses, and exacting certain change from bailing out the banks," said Michael Kazin, a Georgetown University history professor and author of "American Dreamers," a history of the left. "But ultimately, the economy has not gotten much better, and that's underscored the frustration on both the right and the left."

Obama on Thursday acknowledged the economic insecurities fueling the nearly 3-week-old Wall Street protests. But he pinned responsibility on the financial industry and on congressional Republicans he says have blocked his efforts to kick-start job growth.

"I think people are frustrated and the protesters are giving voice to a more broad-based frustration about how our financial system works," he said at a nationally televised news conference. "The American people understand that not everybody has been following the rules, that Wall Street is an example of that ... and that's going to express itself politically in 2012 and beyond."

He said the U.S. must have a strong and effective financial sector for the economy to grow, and that the financial regulation bill he championed ensures tougher oversight of the financial industry.

The president also has been pushing for a $443 billion jobs plan to be paid for in part through a tax on the wealthy. Republicans have resisted such tax increases.

GOP presidential candidates Mitt Romney and Herman Cain have criticized the anti-Wall Street protests. All the Republican contenders have also pushed back against the demonization of Wall Street. They accuse the Obama administration of setting regulatory policies that have stifled job creation and say his health care overhaul will prevent many businesses from hiring new workers.

In Zuccotti Park, the center of the Occupy Wall Street protests in New York, activists expressed deep frustration with the political gridlock in Washington. While some blamed Republicans for blocking reform, others singled out Obama.

"His message is that he's sticking to the party line, which is 'we are taking care of the situation.' But he's not proposing any solutions," said Thorin Caristo, an antiques store owner from Plainfield, Conn.

But Robert Arnow, a retired real estate worker, said the Republicans need to tell their congressional leaders, "You're standing in the way of change."

Quacy Cayasso, a Web designer, didn't watch Obama's news conference even though it was broadcast on TV monitors at the protest site in New York.

"He's a cool president, but he was given a hard task," Cayasso said. "He should get some gratitude for what he's done so far, but he's been overlooking jobs and not putting much effort into that until now."

Associated Press writer Patrick Walters in Philadelphia contributed to this story.

Copyright © 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.


The useful idiots aren't so unaware after all.


For the record nottelling, I believe that the OWS protests are genuine.
I understand your passion, as I too am very passionate towards this cause. I would also like to encourage all members who have their doubts to spend some time with these protesters by watching them on livestream, viewing their conversations on Twitter, etc... I don't know what many of the other Occupy protests are like, just not enough video/inside information as yet, but if the protesters maintain their present mindset, I stand behind them.

[nottelling]

For the record nottelling, I believe that the OWS protests are genuine.
I understand your passion, as I too am very passionate towards this cause. I would also like to encourage all members who have their doubts to spend some time with these protesters by watching them on livestream, viewing their conversations on Twitter, etc... I don't know what many of the other Occupy protests are like, just not enough video/inside information as yet, but if the protesters maintain their present mindset, I stand behind them.

That's good advice P.

Something this important requires people to examine both sides, realise there are powerful forces out there desperately wanting to influence you and then make up your own mind.

I consider myself to be more clued-up on the movement than most - I have been doing a LOT of research through social media, MSM, alternative media, all sorts of online fora as well as become a member of some "closed" planning fora/IRC for Anonymous and the global "Occupy" movement. After all, if I am going to put my backside on the line starting on the 15th it'd better be for a good reason. My background is about as far from the public perception of a demonstrator as you can get.

I have not seen anything to indicate the movement is anything other than a peaceful egalitarian demonstration. In the planning discussions I have participated in, every time a far right or far left voice begins trying to manoeuvre things around to support their agenda they are slapped down so as not to lose the focus of the demonstrations. This even happens in the live chat for the OWS feed here: http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution if you'd like to verify for yourself.

The news item I posted above was from a thread on a closed forum entitled "They're twisting our cause" . So people are well aware of the risks of the movement being co-opted.

And speaking of such, here's a letter from an ex-Tea Party member describing the what happened to that movement:

Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/occupywallstreet/comments/kyjo2/an_open_letter_and_warning_from_a_former_tea/


I don't expect you to believe me. I want you to read this, take it with a grain of salt, and do the research yourself. You may not believe me, but I want your movement to succeed. From a former tea partier to you, young new rebels, there's some advice to prevent what happened to our now broken movement from happening to you. I don't agree with everything your movement does, but I sympathize with your cause and agree on our common enemy. You guys are very intelligent and I trust that you will take this in the spirit it is intended.

I wish I could believe this Occupy Wall Street was still about (r)Evolution, but so far, all I am seeing is a painful rehash of how the corporate-funded government turned the pre-Presidential election tea party movement into the joke it is now. We were anarchists and ultra-libertarians, but above all we were peaceful. So, the media tried painting us as racists. But when that didn't work they tried to goad us into violence. When that failed, they killed our movement with money and false kindness from the theocratic arm of the Republican party. That killed our popular support.

I am sharing these observations, so you guys know what's going on and can prevent the media from succeeding in painting you as violent slacker hippies rebelling without a cause, or from having the movement be hijacked by a bunch of corporatists seeking to twist the movement's original intentions. If you think this can't happen, it happened to the Independence Party and the tea party movement. Don't let it happen to your movement as well.

Here's how they turned our movement into a bunch of pro-corporate Republican party rebranding astroturf, and this is how I predict they are turning your movement into a bunch of pro-corporate Democratic party rebranding astroturf. I believe many of these things are already happening, so take note.

1- The media will initially and purposely avoid covering your dissenting movement to cause confusion about what your movement is about within mainstream audiences. This is to enrage you and make you appear unreasonable, and perhaps even invisible.

2- While the obsfuscation is happening, stooges will infiltrate and give superficial support, focus and financial backing to the targetted movement. In the tea party movement's case, it was the religious Republicans and Koch Brothers. In this case, it's the Public Sector Unions (the organizations as quasi-human entities, not the members themselves) and Ultra Rich liberals who pretend to care, but frankly do not serve liberators and freedom seekers but rather the interests of those who run the Public Sector Unions and the Democratic Party. Democrat, Republican, these parties are all part of the same corporate ruling system. Case in point: http://www.debates.org/

3-The media will cover the movement only after this infiltration succeeds. Once the infiltration is completed the MSM will manufacture public media antipathy towards the movement by using selective focus on the movement's most repulsive elements or infiltrators on the corporate Conservative media side, while the corporate Liberal media will create a more sympathetic tragic hero image -- this is the flip side of the tea party, but same media manipulation tactics. I go into greater detail on this tactic: http://vaslittlecrow.com/blog/2011/09/08/how-the-media-and-ideological-groups-manipulate-your-beliefs/

4- Someone in the Democratic Party will feign sympathy for the movement and falsely "non-partisan" entities provide tons of funding and unwanted organization, just as was done with the tea party movement by Republicans. Once people assume that the pro-corporate government operatives are their friends, they will hijack the movement and the threat of your movement will be neutralized.

If this new Occupy Wall Street movement is to survive, here's what needs to be done.

1- Loudly denounce violence and disavow the violent rabblerousers of the movement. They do not help the cause.

2- Be image conscious. Present your best face and call out those who act like fools within the movement. People are more likely to pay attention to you in your Sunday dress and bringing homemade food, than when you are drinking a bottle of Snapple and chomping on Big Macs while you are looking like a slacker rich hipster/unwashed hippie stereotype.

3- Accept that you've already been infiltrated by the corporate-funded government, and work hard to say, and state what your movement is and is not about. "No, this isn't about unions or Liberals, conservatives or bored spoiled brats. This is about 99% of our population being exploited and manipulated for the sake of profit." "No we will not resort to violence." "Yes, all we want is for for the end of government collusion with corporate entities that are illegitimately recognized as people." And, so forth...

4- Don't forget who you are as the illusions are thrown at you. Corporatists are masters of illusions. That's the most powerful weapon they have. That's how they sell products you don't need and convince you to justify accepting atrocities for the sake of products Don't fall for it. Otherwise, your cause will be lost. Be wary of large donations from special interest groups or non-profit corporations that were not involved this movement from the inception. Special interests groups are not your allies. Non-profit corporations are still corporations, and unfortunately, too many of them care more about donations than doing the right thing. Killing a movement with kindness is easy.

5- Remain independent and focused. If you can, pick a face to represent your movement. Rosa Parks wasn't just a random lady in a bus.
http://l3d.cs.colorado.edu/systems/agentsheets/New-Vista/bus-boycott/
-- She was chosen. You too can use the power of illusion against those who oppose you.
I wish your movement better luck than we had with the tea party movement before it got hijacked by the theocrats and corporatists. We used to be non-partisan too. We were the older version of you. But, I believe that as the media apparatchik and infiltrators start to twist your cause, you will understand the frustration us early adopter tea partiers felt and that we were not your enemy after all. A fascist oligarchy on the verge of winning is our common enemy. This should be your focus. Don't be dazzled by the illusion as we were. For the sake of our future, know who you are.

Thank you for reading. I would love to read your ideas on the subject. Correct me where I am wrong. Explain what is going right. This is ultimately your fight.

[Providence]

And... (just can't keep my mouth shut B-) )

I believe that if this movement was something that was initiated by TPTB, that the 'lame' stream news media would have been on this hard and heavy from the start. The coverage of this movement has been dismal at best. If you want to know if Justin Beeber had a hair cut, or if Obama accidentally wet himself when he sneezed during a press conference, they are there, they have that information. But a major protest takes place in NYC, right in the midst of Wall Street, and not a peep for almost a week.

B-)

[Peace of Mind]

I’m starting to see many things unfold here, and on Wall Street. I’m doing my best to understand the motives and opinions of those discrediting this protest when in fact they are nowhere near the protest. There are many people here from all walks of life. No one is acting out of place, there are many professionals here offering their services for free. Off duty cops are assisting in keeping the peace. Young service men are in the crowd chanting alongside pre-teens. Lawyers and off duty EMS workers have set up shop in the park offering free services. People are helping each other out by doing what they can. I’ve witnessed some guys giving out free haircuts and others bringing in clothes and supplies. Stores offering food and discounts and a couple of residential owners in the area have made their bathrooms accessible. Food is coming in from everywhere and tourists are creating more footage than the actual media. Also, WiFi will be in the park soon, there are plans for this but I’m not going to speak on it just yet.


Yes, there are cops everywhere but there are also people constantly telling them this protest is for them too. Most of the police there are relaxed and talking with the people, they/we are making the police comfortable and vice versa. For the most part, people are policing themselves. The little footage you saw with cops fighting civilians was minor and came from temporary outside groups; it only lasted a few minutes…if that much. Furthermore, those groups was assimilated into the whole and learned that the peaceful way is the best way. There are so many great things happening here, I’m just wondering why people constantly let the media trick them. Do they ever wonder why any of the good things I describe hasn’t made it onto their idiot box? The blackout is so you don’t see the truth. People have been here for weeks yet some have no clue to the organization that’s starting to fill out nicely. Why they rather talk about trivial nonsense and ways to fail is beyond me. The media only wants to influence your outlook and the potential this event holds. The truth is not an option for them; I thought this was already known….


It saddens me to see this kind of discouragement from people and a place I hold so dear. We talked about doing something that will bring about change on this site for the last couple of years…and when some opportunities finally arise… what do we do? Assume the worse instead of recognizing the positives.Plus, they fail to come up with an alternative for those willing to do something. This demonstration is nothing like what some doubters here think. This thread has been very educational in many ways. And, it’s always good to know who will assist and who will hinder. Actually, I’m glad to see this…truly. many points have been noted.

This is no ordinary movement; people are serious but have been more benevolent than anything else. I never saw anything like this…the closest would probably be 9/11. When we decide to do something… nothing can stop us but us. As you can see many examples of this here and a afar….

If you have to think about this movement, please think positive about it because thats all that is happening so far. Your energy matters, At least do it for the sake of those sticking their necks out.

Peace

[risveglio]

I’m starting to see many things unfold here, and on Wall Street. I’m doing my best to understand the motives and opinions of those discrediting this protest when in fact they are nowhere near the protest. There are many people here from all walks of life. No one is acting out of place, there are many professionals here offering their services for free. Off duty cops are assisting in keeping the peace. Young service men are in the crowd chanting alongside pre-teens. Lawyers and off duty EMS workers have set up shop in the park offering free services. People are helping each other out by doing what they can. I’ve witnessed some guys giving out free haircuts and others bringing in clothes and supplies. Stores offering food and discounts and a couple of residential owners in the area have made their bathrooms accessible. Food is coming in from everywhere and tourists are creating more footage than the actual media. Also, WiFi will be in the park soon, there are plans for this but I’m not going to speak on it just yet.


Yes, there are cops everywhere but there are also people constantly telling them this protest is for them too. Most of the police there are relaxed and talking with the people, they/we are making the police comfortable and vice versa. For the most part, people are policing themselves. The little footage you saw with cops fighting civilians was minor and came from temporary outside groups; it only lasted a few minutes…if that much. Furthermore, those groups was assimilated into the whole and learned that the peaceful way is the best way. There are so many great things happening here, I’m just wondering why people constantly let the media trick them. Do they ever wonder why any of the good things I describe hasn’t made it onto their idiot box? The blackout is so you don’t see the truth. People have been here for weeks yet some have no clue to the organization that’s starting to fill out nicely. Why they rather talk about trivial nonsense and ways to fail is beyond me. The media only wants to influence your outlook and the potential this event holds. The truth is not an option for them; I thought this was already known….


It saddens me to see this kind of discouragement from people and a place I hold so dear. We talked about doing something that will bring about change on this site for the last couple of years…and when some opportunities finally arise… what do we do? Assume the worse instead of recognizing the positives.Plus, they fail to come up with an alternative for those willing to do something. This demonstration is nothing like what some doubters here think. This thread has been very educational in many ways. And, it’s always good to know who will assist and who will hinder. Actually, I’m glad to see this…truly. many points have been noted.

This is no ordinary movement; people are serious but have been more benevolent than anything else. I never saw anything like this…the closest would probably be 9/11. When we decide to do something… nothing can stop us but us. As you can see many examples of this here and a afar….

If you have to think about this movement, please think positive about it because thats all that is happening so far. Your energy matters, At least do it for the sake of those sticking their necks out.

Peace

I have no doubt that 90% of the protestors are there for a just cause. I think is is very wise though to question who is behind these protests. In 2007, right after TARP, there were a series of protests that were heavily ignored. Some people got behind them, you hardly heard it on the news though. There were some messages of tea bags being sent to many congressmen and even the white house. At the same time there was a presidential election going on with an open white house. Only one candidate was describing what the problems are, only one was telling us what is about to happen, only one offered real change or a real solution, he was ignored.

Two years later you have the dog and pony show of the tea party. Both sides get to play there game and the people in the middle of it don't even know what is going on. Racists? Nazi's? Republicans? Rich white people? What, we are not against the wars anymore? We are pro business? We don't care about the FED anymore?

Who takes reign of the movement is what truly matters in the end. I will support the people at the protests but I am not ready to support the protests. The protestors need to define their movement, when they do, some will probably go home. If the cause is just, then maybe the 99% really will join.

[Providence]

Who takes reign of the movement is what truly matters in the end. I will support the people at the protests but I am not ready to support the protests. The protestors need to define their movement, when they do, some will probably go home. If the cause is just, then maybe the 99% really will join.

If the protesters had one person or one specific demand initially, they would not be who they are, not be the movement that we see today. The news media has pushed this issue, demands, they want to know what their demands are, because they want something they can use to pigeon hole them, and to judge them by in their 30 second sound bites that they feed to their viewers.

The protesters have taken the higher road I think. They have opened up the discussion, the list of demands, to the 99%. Everyone has the opportunity to look over the list of demands, to vote upon them, comment, and even submit their own for inclusion.

If this group had one cause, one main demand, one main focus, or even one main organizational leader, they would not have been as effective as they have been in enlisting the masses. This is a true democratic process taking place in real time.

[risveglio]

Who takes reign of the movement is what truly matters in the end. I will support the people at the protests but I am not ready to support the protests. The protestors need to define their movement, when they do, some will probably go home. If the cause is just, then maybe the 99% really will join.

If the protesters had one person or one specific demand initially, they would not be who they are, not be the movement that we see today. The news media has pushed this issue, demands, they want to know what their demands are, because they want something they can use to pigeon hole them, and to judge them by in their 30 second sound bites that they feed to their viewers.

The protesters have taken the higher road I think. They have opened up the discussion, the list of demands, to the 99%. Everyone has the opportunity to look over the list of demands, to vote upon them, comment, and even submit their own for inclusion.

If this group had one cause, one main demand, one main focus, or even one main organizational leader, they would not have been as effective as they have been in enlisting the masses. This is a true democratic process taking place in real time.

Ok, so are these the demands? The reason I ask is because I can not get behind these demands.
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/money/jobs-and-careers/unfocused-occupy-wall-street-protesters-make-list-demands

[Providence]

risveglio, here is a link, make sure and scroll down....

http://coupmedia.org/occupywallstreet/occupy-wall-street-official-demands-2009

[13th Warrior]

Who takes reign of the movement is what truly matters in the end. I will support the people at the protests but I am not ready to support the protests. The protestors need to define their movement, when they do, some will probably go home. If the cause is just, then maybe the 99% really will join.

If the protesters had one person or one specific demand initially, they would not be who they are, not be the movement that we see today. The news media has pushed this issue, demands, they want to know what their demands are, because they want something they can use to pigeon hole them, and to judge them by in their 30 second sound bites that they feed to their viewers.

The protesters have taken the higher road I think. They have opened up the discussion, the list of demands, to the 99%. Everyone has the opportunity to look over the list of demands, to vote upon them, comment, and even submit their own for inclusion.

If this group had one cause, one main demand, one main focus, or even one main organizational leader, they would not have been as effective as they have been in enlisting the masses. This is a true democratic process taking place in real time.

Ok, so are these the demands? The reason I ask is because I can not get behind these demands.
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/money/jobs-and-careers/unfocused-occupy-wall-street-protesters-make-list-demands

From the article you sited:


That incoherence was partially solved when one activist posted a list of thirteen demands on OccupyWallSt.com. It doesn’t stand for the whole movement, obviously. Some protesters are focused on different issues than the ones he chose.

[Calz]

Protest???

Want to see a protest???

How about 1/2 million out of 7 million total inhabitants.

Now *that* is a protest!!! (uses his best Crocodile Dundee voice)


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TEL AVIV, Israel -- Half a million protesters against the economic and political system - and that in a country of 7 million inhabitants.

Jews, Arabs, foreign workers, refugees and students marched together chanting "The People demand social justice."

http://ocelott.tumblr.com/post/11092218487/openourminds-tel-aviv-israel-tonight-half-a

[risveglio]

"If you dump a body by the road, you will attract the vultures. Don't blame the vultures."
NTx6t3FUSkM

[risveglio]

risveglio, here is a link, make sure and scroll down....

http://coupmedia.org/occupywallstreet/occupy-wall-street-official-demands-2009

So what about those of us that do not believe in ALL of these demands? Do we now become a slave of the Occupy Wall Street form of government?

[13th Warrior]

"If you dump a body by the road, you will attract the vultures. Don't blame the vultures."
NTx6t3FUSkM


Where is the "NO Thanks" Button?

Where did you find this tosser?

No one thinks Starbucks is running the country; how about Monsanto, GE, Goldman Sachs, ex cetera...

He is blaming the States; apparently he hasn't heard protesters calling for "States Rights"!

[sshenry]

Is - Isn't. Could be - Couldn't be. Spontaneous uprising - staged setup.

Will the real purpose behind OCCUPY WALLSTREET please stand up?

I'll tell you what I'm getting from this - and that is a whole lot of mixed signals - bear with me, this may take some explaining.

First - we are (as Eaglespirit said) on the verge of something bigger - far bigger and far more important than simple political upheaval. The entire planet is poised on the brink of a paradigm shift so profound; a spiritually evolutionary shift so tremendous that it defies the average person's understanding.

But here is the kicker - the average person (and by average I mean those who have not awoken yet) can still feel the changes that are taking place right under their feet. In the very ground; the heart and soul of planet earth; in the fluctuations of energy around them. They feel it and they respond to it - some respond out of excitement - at the promise of something better yet to come. Others respond out of fear - out of being scared out of their wits over the upset in the status quo.

What we have here - with the OCCUPY WALL STREET - is (in my opinion) a combination of the two reactions - BOTH of which are in response to the far bigger changes that are taking place and over which we can exert no physical control.

First, you have people legitimately upset with a system which IS corrupt (and which they've known is corrupt for some time). This isn't 'news' (the corruption). What IS news is that people are finally afraid enough (yes, afraid) to actually DO something. It's the fight or flight defense mechanism being put into action in a large, national (even global) setting. People have run from the truth for a very long time - kept themselves busy with families and activities in the hopes that they wouldn't be brought face to face with it. But the economic downturn and its creeping growth is catching up with those who have been running - and they can't run away from it any more. So they fight.

But WHY are they fighting? Why NOW? Because the fear is bigger than just what Wallstreet can scare them with. It's more than jobs being flushed away and retirmenet funds dissapearing and heaps of student debt. It's also a fear of the BIGGER reality that is sliding out from under their feet; something that they can't put a label on because they can't see past the surface of reality to what it is that is really changing.

And then of course you have those currently in power - those corporate entities who have the world in the palm of their hands - they also feel the changes. Hell, they're plotting them out in graph charts on the corporate boards as those they have been relying on to buy their products and keep them in business are now too poor (because of the corporation's actions) to be able to afford their products. They also know that people's attitudes towards them are changing, in spite of their best efforts to the contrary (and they make some VERY good efforts). And again, they don't understand what is spawning the people's reactions to them, why it is happening NOW. But they don't like it. And THESE dudes are also responding out of fear - fear of loosing their tentative grip on being kings of the world. And they are crafty, and they can MANIPULATE the anger and fear of OCCUPY WALSTREET just as they have manipulated the masses for the last few decades.

So what you are seeing is REAL concern over REAL issues that are being manipulated by those with the most to lose - and all of it ALL OF IT - is due to far larger and wide spread changes that are beyond anyone's control.

[Providence]

risveglio, here is a link, make sure and scroll down....

http://coupmedia.org/occupywallstreet/occupy-wall-street-official-demands-2009

So what about those of us that do not believe in ALL of these demands? Do we now become a slave of the Occupy Wall Street form of government?

Simple answer, participate in the process, offer up changes, suggestions, vote them in, critique those you disagree with, again, vote them out...

[risveglio]

"If you dump a body by the road, you will attract the vultures. Don't blame the vultures."
NTx6t3FUSkM


Where is the "NO Thanks" Button?

Where did you find this tosser?

No one thinks Starbucks is running the country; how about Monsanto, GE, Goldman Sachs, ex cetera...

He is blaming the States; apparently he hasn't heard protesters calling for "States Rights"!

Sorry, but he is blaming "THE STATE", not the states.

And who stands behind Monsanto - THE FDA

Who is behind Goldman Sachs, and GE? Where is the revolving door there? THE FED and the regulators.

Government already has the power, they are doing nothing about it!

[nottelling]

risveglio, here is a link, make sure and scroll down....

http://coupmedia.org/occupywallstreet/occupy-wall-street-official-demands-2009

So what about those of us that do not believe in ALL of these demands? Do we now become a slave of the Occupy Wall Street form of government?

risveglio, there is no OWS form of government. It's about reform, not replacement.

I certainly wouldn't agree with all of those demands either were I a US citizen. Note the vote buttons under each one of the demands - if you disagree with a demand then vote it down. If you agree, then vote it up. Unlike politics, your vote counts.

Also keep in mind that were the relevant authorities to accept these demands and consider them - there would no doubt be a negotiation phase with some demands watered down and others strengthened - while there is a core message, the specific demands are ever-evolving. It is a living document.

[Fred Steeves]

This demonstration is nothing like what some doubters here think. This thread has been very educational in many ways. And, it’s always good to know who will assist and who will hinder. Actually, I’m glad to see this…truly. many points have been noted.



Drats Peace of Mind, great detective work. I've finally been exposed for my secret agenda of being a hinderence to human freedom. Oh wo unto me, the shame of public exposure.

Like the villain at the end of Scooby Doo episodes always says: "And I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those meddling kids!" :P

Cheers,
Fred

[Providence]

sshenry, I agree with in part. I feel that there is a level of consciousness (not sure exactly how to describe it) that is definitely having a positive influence, and a major driving force of this movement. Although, I don't feel it is fear based at all. You don't see fear in these protesters eyes, you do see love, peace, care for one another, camaraderie, an honest desire for change, commitment, but not fear. They are even very intent on loving their enemies. They don't hate the NYPD, there are always a few that get excited and blast away at the police (the same things happen here with our mods sometimes) but overall, they envelope humanity, seek fairness and justice, and reject the corruption of the system.

¤=[Post Update]=¤



This demonstration is nothing like what some doubters here think. This thread has been very educational in many ways. And, it’s always good to know who will assist and who will hinder. Actually, I’m glad to see this…truly. many points have been noted.



Drats Peace of Mind, great detective work. I've finally been exposed for my secret agenda of being a hinderence to human freedom. Oh wo unto me, the shame of public exposure.

Like the villain at the end of Scooby Doo episodes always says: "And I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those meddling kids!" :P

Cheers,
Fred

LOL, thanks for the chuckle Fred. B-)

[risveglio]

risveglio, here is a link, make sure and scroll down....

http://coupmedia.org/occupywallstreet/occupy-wall-street-official-demands-2009

So what about those of us that do not believe in ALL of these demands? Do we now become a slave of the Occupy Wall Street form of government?

risveglio, there is no OWS form of government. It's about reform, not replacement.

I certainly wouldn't agree with all of those demands either were I a US citizen. Note the vote buttons under each one of the demands - if you disagree with a demand then vote it down. If you agree, then vote it up. Unlike politics, your vote counts.

Also keep in mind that were the relevant authorities to accept these demands and consider them - there would no doubt be a negotiation phase with some demands watered down and others strengthened - while there is a core message, the specific demands are ever-evolving. It is a living document.

Yeah, I voted in this process days ago. I am just careful to vilify those that are skeptical about the movement. Some of these demands, to me, are very bad but they are getting over 75% of the vote. It just seems to be a distraction and is very hard for me to stand behind. Then you add O'Donnell, Olbermann, and Moore as some of the first "news" to report on it and I get really scared.

[Providence]

Not a perfect system, but maybe, just maybe, a good start...

I am in support, but trying to be wise and wary as well.

[13th Warrior]

"If you dump a body by the road, you will attract the vultures. Don't blame the vultures."
NTx6t3FUSkM


Where is the "NO Thanks" Button?

Where did you find this tosser?

No one thinks Starbucks is running the country; how about Monsanto, GE, Goldman Sachs, ex cetera...

He is blaming the States; apparently he hasn't heard protesters calling for "States Rights"!

Sorry, but he is blaming "THE STATE", not the states.

And who stands behind Monsanto - THE FDA

Who is behind Goldman Sachs, and GE? Where is the revolving door there? THE FED and the regulators.

Government already has the power, they are doing nothing about it!

If says "State" and means Federal Government i would be more in agreement; if this is the misunderstanding then he ought to know better to used the correct terms.

Now listen up; these mega corporations and the federal government are one and the same. You have Goldman Sachs employees working in the federal government. Corporations like GE, along with many others are writing the bills that get passed into law.

Semantics are being used to confuse the situation; it is not wrong to focus on corporations because that road still leads you to the real problems.


Government already has the power, they are doing nothing about it!

All are happy in the "Government" there is no motivation for them to change the status quo.

This republic was built on states rights and that's how we can take back the peoples rights!

[risveglio]

"If you dump a body by the road, you will attract the vultures. Don't blame the vultures."
NTx6t3FUSkM


Where is the "NO Thanks" Button?

Where did you find this tosser?

No one thinks Starbucks is running the country; how about Monsanto, GE, Goldman Sachs, ex cetera...

He is blaming the States; apparently he hasn't heard protesters calling for "States Rights"!

Sorry, but he is blaming "THE STATE", not the states.

And who stands behind Monsanto - THE FDA

Who is behind Goldman Sachs, and GE? Where is the revolving door there? THE FED and the regulators.

Government already has the power, they are doing nothing about it!

If says "State" and means Federal Government i would be more in agreement; if this is the misunderstanding then he ought to know better to used the correct terms.

Now listen up; these mega corporations and the federal government are one and the same. You have Goldman Sachs employees working in the federal government. Corporations like GE, along with many others are writing the bills that get passed into law.

Semantics are being used to confuse the situation; it is not wrong to focus on corporations because that road still leads you to the real problems.


Government already has the power, they are doing nothing about it!

All are happy in the "Government" there is no motivation for them to change the status quo.

This republic was built on states rights and that's how we can take back the peoples rights!

Well he is an anarchist so for him all government is the state. What he means by "the state", follows a political philosophy most small to no government people would define as statism. I defer to wikipedia because it matches my understood definition and I can't find another example.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statism

[eaglespirit]

Beauty EXPOSED
Looking out upon the withered American Dream, many of us feel a deep sense of betrayal. Unemployment, financial insecurity, and lifelong enslavement to debt are just the tip of the iceberg. We don't want to merely fix the growth machine and bring profit and product to every corner of the earth. We want to fundamentally change the course of civilization. For the American Dream betrayed even those who achieved it, lonely in their overtime careers and their McMansions, narcotized to the ongoing ruination of nature and culture but aching because of it, endlessly consuming and accumulating to quell the insistent voice, "I wasn't put here on earth to sell product." "I wasn't put here on earth to increase market share." "I wasn't put here on earth to make numbers grow."

We protest not only at our exclusion from the American Dream; we protest at its bleakness. If it cannot include everyone on earth, every ecosystem and bioregion, every people and culture in its richness; if the wealth of one must be the debt of another; if it entails sweatshops and underclasses and fracking and all the rest of the ugliness our system has created, then we want none of it.

No one deserves to live in a world built upon the degradation of human beings, forests, waters, and the rest of our living planet. Speaking to our brethren on Wall Street, no one deserves to spend their lives playing with numbers while the world burns. Ultimately, we are protesting not only on behalf of the 99% left behind, but on behalf of the 1% as well. We have no enemies. We want everyone to wake up to the beauty of what we can create.

Occupy Wall Street has been criticized for its lack of clear demands, but how do we issue demands, when what we really want is nothing less than the more beautiful world our hearts tell us is possible? No demand is big enough.

http://www.realitysandwich.com/occupy_wall_street_no_demand_big_enough#comment-121219

[Peace of Mind]

This demonstration is nothing like what some doubters here think. This thread has been very educational in many ways. And, it’s always good to know who will assist and who will hinder. Actually, I’m glad to see this…truly. many points have been noted.



Drats Peace of Mind, great detective work. I've finally been exposed for my secret agenda of being a hinderence to human freedom. Oh wo unto me, the shame of public exposure.

Like the villain at the end of Scooby Doo episodes always says: "And I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those meddling kids!" :P

Cheers,
Fred

:) haha

I have much respect and love for you Fred (and everyone else here). Pardon me if I’ve offended you and others. It’s been an interesting week and sometimes my passions will create tunnel vision. I know you mean well…

When traveling to the same place many routes are taken. Some routes must be taken by a few in order to open up more accessible routes for the many. In doing so…more ground/information is covered and shared once we’ve all reached the destination. I only ask that you put a little more faith in those traveling a separate path than yours, I’m sure you would want the same. Most of the people here feel they need to be here, even if they are not clear on what it is. Imo…that’s a sign of waking up, this alone will aid all of us on various levels.

Just imagine the type of discussions we are having here. Much of the conversations are similar to what is being discussed on places like Avalon. So, now many more people will have info they can research and spread to their family and friends. There is more good than bad coming out of this. I don’t know how it will end, but none of us are concentrating on a negative outcome, there is no room for that. Harmony is what I see and I wish it remains that way. I don’t want to think/imagine anything that will change that energy.

There’s more awareness here then you might expect. Once true organization reaches a certain point (and it will) I expect to see more support. It’s not going to happen over night because there are many factors involve, but it is progressing. Staying positive has gotten us this far so I feel that energy must remain constant.

And just to add, I haven’t been to the protest as much as I would have like, but from what I’ve seen and done is little to what is actually being done there. I commend every one of them and wish them well…I will not link any negative vibes to this demonstrations…they already have too much to deal with.

Peace

[Fred Steeves]

This demonstration is nothing like what some doubters here think. This thread has been very educational in many ways. And, it’s always good to know who will assist and who will hinder. Actually, I’m glad to see this…truly. many points have been noted.



Drats Peace of Mind, great detective work. I've finally been exposed for my secret agenda of being a hinderence to human freedom. Oh wo unto me, the shame of public exposure.

Like the villain at the end of Scooby Doo episodes always says: "And I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those meddling kids!" :P

Cheers,
Fred

:) haha

I have much respect and love for you Fred (and everyone else here). Pardon me if I’ve offended you and others. It’s been an interesting week and sometimes my passions will create tunnel vision. I know you mean well…

When traveling to the same place many routes are taken. Some routes must be taken by a few in order to open up more accessible routes for the many. In doing so…more ground/information is covered and shared once we’ve all reached the destination. I only ask that you put a little more faith in those traveling a separate path than yours, I’m sure you would want the same.


Hey Peace of Mind, it's all good, and much love back to you my friend. I've got no problem at all with what you and the mostly well meaning protesters feel they need to do. More power to ya. These are extremely subtle differences being discussed among good people all around, who generally speaking are in agreement, and have the best of intentions for everyone on this planet. It has nothing to do with me having, or not having faith in those traveling a separate path, it's their path, and I do respect that.

Personally speaking, I very clearly see two separate awakenings occuring simultaneously, one true, and one false. I'm sorry everybody, that's what I see, and I'm not concerned with my popularity in trying to clearly state what I see. And, in case anyone's wondering, yes, I DO consider the possibility I could be wrong, as always...Do any of you? If I am proven wrong I won't bat an eye at starting a thread just to say so, that's not a concern.

But in the meantime, discounting the weird video to start things out which didn't hold much sway with me, the theme of the OP was Occupy Wall Street "EXPOSED". There are other threads here originating in support of this movement. If anyone scrolls through them, they won't find me "occupying". What I've been seeing here is an almost bully mentality against anyone who happens to have come to the conclusion that there is indeed something fishy about the whole scene.

This is not aimed personally at you Peace of Mind, or anyone else, it's more to the general trend in how this thread has evolved.

Cheers,
Fred

[Unified Serenity]

This demonstration is nothing like what some doubters here think. This thread has been very educational in many ways. And, it’s always good to know who will assist and who will hinder. Actually, I’m glad to see this…truly. many points have been noted.



Drats Peace of Mind, great detective work. I've finally been exposed for my secret agenda of being a hinderence to human freedom. Oh wo unto me, the shame of public exposure.

Like the villain at the end of Scooby Doo episodes always says: "And I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those meddling kids!" :P

Cheers,
Fred

:) haha

I have much respect and love for you Fred (and everyone else here). Pardon me if I’ve offended you and others. It’s been an interesting week and sometimes my passions will create tunnel vision. I know you mean well…

When traveling to the same place many routes are taken. Some routes must be taken by a few in order to open up more accessible routes for the many. In doing so…more ground/information is covered and shared once we’ve all reached the destination. I only ask that you put a little more faith in those traveling a separate path than yours, I’m sure you would want the same.


Hey Peace of Mind, it's all good, and much love back to you my friend. I've got no problem at all with what you and the mostly well meaning protesters feel they need to do. More power to ya. These are extremely subtle differences being discussed among good people all around, who generally speaking are in agreement, and have the best of intentions for everyone on this planet. It has nothing to do with me having, or not having faith in those traveling a separate path, it's their path, and I do respect that.

Personally speaking, I very clearly see two separate awakenings occuring simultaneously, one true, and one false. I'm sorry everybody, that's what I see, and I'm not concerned with my popularity in trying to clearly state what I see. And, in case anyone's wondering, yes, I DO consider the possibility I could be wrong, as always...Do any of you? If I am proven wrong I won't bat an eye at starting a thread just to say so, that's not a concern.

But in the meantime, discounting the weird video to start things out which didn't hold much sway with me, the theme of the OP was Occupy Wall Street "EXPOSED". There are other threads here originating in support of this movement. If anyone scrolls through them, they won't find me "occupying". What I've been seeing here is an almost bully mentality against anyone who happens to have come to the conclusion that there is indeed something fishy about the whole scene.

This is not aimed personally at you Peace of Mind, or anyone else, it's more to the general trend in how this thread has evolved.

Cheers,
Fred

Fred,

Again, well said. I never meant to call anyone here a useful idiot, and yet that does seem to be how one of my posts was taken. You often say things softer than I do, and we seem to often be on the same wavelength. Individuals are smart, but people are easily led astray as a group, and thus often viewed by the elites as useful idiots. Just look at the wars. Most Americans are peaceful and loving, and want nothing but the best for others as long as they leave us alone. But, how quickly have these Americans been tricked into being proud of going to "war" against other nations and watching our sons and daughters die in foreign lands for God and country, when in truth it was for the industrial military complex and crony capitolism corporations and the politicians who can gain power. So, thanks for again saying things so well.

For those offended by my words, I do apologize. I feel more like a mother watching her child running off into known danger and crying out "STOPPPPP!" and not being heard. Yes, they have a right to run, and I guess that's that.

[nottelling]

Hey Peace of Mind, it's all good, and much love back to you my friend. I've got no problem at all with what you and the mostly well meaning protesters feel they need to do. More power to ya. These are extremely subtle differences being discussed among good people all around, who generally speaking are in agreement, and have the best of intentions for everyone on this planet. It has nothing to do with me having, or not having faith in those traveling a separate path, it's their path, and I do respect that.

Personally speaking, I very clearly see two separate awakenings occuring simultaneously, one true, and one false. I'm sorry everybody, that's what I see, and I'm not concerned with my popularity in trying to clearly state what I see. And, in case anyone's wondering, yes, I DO consider the possibility I could be wrong, as always...Do any of you? If I am proven wrong I won't bat an eye at starting a thread just to say so, that's not a concern.

But in the meantime, discounting the weird video to start things out which didn't hold much sway with me, the theme of the OP was Occupy Wall Street "EXPOSED". There are other threads here originating in support of this movement. If anyone scrolls through them, they won't find me "occupying". What I've been seeing here is an almost bully mentality against anyone who happens to have come to the conclusion that there is indeed something fishy about the whole scene.

This is not aimed personally at you Peace of Mind, or anyone else, it's more to the general trend in how this thread has evolved.

Cheers,
Fred

Fred, I am grateful for every single post in this thread. This discussion has become balanced rather than simply an "OWS is a socialist plot" circle jerk.

If such a balance is unacceptable, or if you may think some of us are "Occupying" the thread and thus unbalancing the "force", here is some light reading which follows the spirit of the original post...



Obama Just Admitted He Sides With The Protestors & They Are Going To Take The Country By Force! - http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1665749/pg1

Occupy Wall Street Protesters Now Sending Death Threats to Lawmakers - http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1666269/pg1

This is your warning America: Mass Killings under Communist Regimes - http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1666132/pg1

Organizer Admits To Paying "Occupy DC" Protesters - http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1666370/pg1

Occupy Wall St. is Officially Hijacked - http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1666452/pg1

Violence Reports at Occupy X Sites - http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1665221/pg1

Is It Responsible For The President of The United States To Support These Protestors? [Poll] - http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1667059/pg1

Idiot Occupy Sacramento Protesters Have No Idea Why They’re There - http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1666739/pg1

Rush Limbaugh "i Heard Obama Planning Riots to Get re Elected" - http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1666911/pg1

Why does Occupy Wall Street want Obama/Wall Street re-elected??? - http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1666916/pg1

Company that owns Zuccotti "Protester" Park Just got 168 Million Loan Guarantee from Obama DOE!!!!...Thick as Thieves!!!! - http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1666560/pg1

MoveOn.org Hijacks ‘Occupy’ To Push Obama Tax Agenda - http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1666825/pg1

Boston Occupy Wall Street Offshoot Organized by ACORN - http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1666947/pg1



Educating oneself about both sides of an issue frees the mind and makes one less susceptible to propaganda - of all flavours.

We are living in a time where despite the war, poverty, hunger, death, injustice and inequity which surrounds us and impacts our daily lives, we as individuals have a chance to change things for the better - for everyone on the planet. Opportunities like this only come along once every few generations. Let's not waste it.

[nottelling]

Fred,

Again, well said. I never meant to call anyone here a useful idiot, and yet that does seem to be how one of my posts was taken. You often say things softer than I do, and we seem to often be on the same wavelength. Individuals are smart, but people are easily led astray as a group, and thus often viewed by the elites as useful idiots. Just look at the wars. Most Americans are peaceful and loving, and want nothing but the best for others as long as they leave us alone. But, how quickly have these Americans been tricked into being proud of going to "war" against other nations and watching our sons and daughters die in foreign lands for God and country, when in truth it was for the industrial military complex and crony capitolism corporations and the politicians who can gain power. So, thanks for again saying things so well.


Thank you for such impassioned thoughts U/S and for clarifying what you meant when you said "useful idiots".

Just for the record, I'd like to remind Americans that although this is all happening in your backyard right now, it is a Global movement. America has been the pathfinder, the light-bringer, and us "foreigners" honour and love every single protester and supporter out there on your streets for helping to show us the way through their inspiring example.

The 15th of October is when it becomes too big to simply be ignored and therefore becomes "too big to fail". The map here: http://map.15october.net/main shows just how global this movement is. It transcends the false and divisive left/right paradigm because we are all on the side of Humanity. If it's a false flag then it is WAY out of their control now.



For those offended by my words, I do apologize. I feel more like a mother watching her child running off into known danger and crying out "STOPPPPP!" and not being heard. Yes, they have a right to run, and I guess that's that.

Sometimes you just have to stand up for what you believe regardless of risk, but I get your point.

[nottelling]

In keeping with the "foreigner" meme for a moment, I'd like to direct the attention of my US brothers and sisters to some of what my little corner of the globe thinks about what is happening on the streets of your major cities...

Please note that this news opinion item comes from the Australian Broadcasting Commission, a non-partisan, but nonetheless government-run and controlled news service.

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3340246.html


Occupy Wall Street Will Not Come To Our Utopia

Occupy Wall Street has in a few short weeks swollen from a protest group of several hundred in downtown Manhattan to a movement of thousands spreading across America.

Its rise has troubled authorities, surprised mainstream media and cheered many of us fearing 30 years of neoliberal economics had turned the home of the brave into the house of the cowed.

But, despite recent hype, we're unlikely to see an 'Occupy' movement of the same scale and momentum here in Australia. The Manhattan protest and its offshoots are driven by deteriorating social and economic conditions that simply do not obtain here.

It's difficult to overemphasize the depth of US malaise. Many of us are broadly familiar with the headline problem of a faltering economy. But this is something much more than a cyclical kink that will straighten out soon enough. America is beset with systemic dilemmas that are gutting and filleting the good people of Main Street in a way unfathomable to most Australians.

Start with income and wealth distribution. A thimbleful of Americans are bucketing in an ocean of the national means. As MotherJones.com graphically reports, 10 per cent control two thirds of the nation's wealth. The top 0.01 per cent of American households on average make north of $27 million per annum - the bottom 90 per cent: a tick over $30,000. Do a diagram and it looks like an inverted snowman with gigantism - a pebble supporting a pumpkin that's going to have a hard time staying upright.

These are genuine basket-case figures. As Nicholas Kristof observed late last year in the New York Times, the US is now arguably more imbalanced than flagship banana republics like Nicaragua, Guyana and Venezuela. In Australia, the top 20 per cent own 61 per cent of the national bank - positively egalitarian by comparison.

And there's little reason for the average American to hope their elected leaders will do anything much to help - one in two Congressmen is a millionaire, actively benefitting from this great upward hoovering of wealth. No wonder their constituents are taking to the streets.

Then there's unemployment. Official figures pin the jobless rate at 9.7 per cent. Given this doesn't count the discouraged, it's probably double at least. The army of long term unemployed now outnumber the real Army, and the impacts are visible. Tent cities not seen since the Depression have sprung up on the fringes of brand-name American cities. The Californian city of Ventura recently managed the growing problem of unemployed homelessness by simply legalising sleeping in cars.

But one of the real biggies in this toxic mix of iniquity is the US student lending system. As the Arab Spring uprisings demonstrated, unemployed, educated youth make great fuel with which to fire revolution. America has them in plenty, with the added accelerant of debt.

Unlike Australia, American higher ed is genuinely user-pays. Tuition fees have exploded 71 per cent in the last 20 years, rising at more than twice the rate of the US CPI. To get a basic undergrad degree, students need to pony up for an average $24,000 in debt. For a professional qualification such as law or business, tack on another $30,00-$120,000. This is not the soft and cuddly FEE-HELP subsidised assistance Australians are used to, but genuine big person's debt, mostly borrowed at commercial interest rates.

Thus the average American student walks out of college with a man-size debt around their necks, and an increasingly worthless slip of paper in their hands. Unemployment for college grads last year hit its highest level in 40 years, while one study suggests 17 million college-educated Americans are in work for which no tertiary qualification is required: some 5,000 janitors have PhDs.

Law schools, for example, churn out 53,000 graduates per annum for some 26,000 openings. This is a massive oversupply that leaves swathes either altogether unemployed or woefully underemployed, squabbling over piecework contracts for paltry rates as low as $9 per hour. The loans can't be repaid, the interest compounds, default penalties kick in, and the mountain of debt piles higher: US student loan debt now stands at $946 billion. And there's no way out - unlike business, credit card and even gambling debt, American student loans are not dischargeable in bankruptcy. The crushing yoke is inescapable.

Buried underneath all these statistics lie real people who bought into the myth peddled by everyone from the president down that education is the key to a secure middle class future. Folk who, having trusted the spin, find themselves saddled with lifetime debt and marginal prospects. Many cannot afford to buy a home, get married or start a family, and face a future offering little more than the harassment of debt collectors. It's not a stretch to say young Americans today would be better off borrowing to buy $20,000 worth of scratch lottery tickets. The paper they'd get in return would probably deliver higher odds of an economic return than a diploma. And the debt run up could at least be shucked off in bankruptcy.

Shamefully, neither the schools nor lenders are on the hook for these student debts. The US federal government picks up the tab. So not only is there no incentive for colleges to start capping tuition fees, the system actually encourages their escalation. It's a distorted market that is fattening institutions and private lenders with taxpayer monies, whilst condemning the young of the Land of the Free to lifetime debt bondage.

In this context, it's easy to see that for average Americans, Occupy Wall Street is not an indulgence, but an imperative. This is not some escapist protest picnic by idealistic dreamers demanding state-served whipped cream on top of an apple pie existence. It's the first throes of last gasp action by the economically cornered, people who feel the system has sold them out.

Australia by contrast is utopian. We have our problems, like an uninspiring political class, inflated house prices, and the continuing exile of the North Sydney Bears. Yet there's a heck of a lot to be grateful for: low unemployment, subsidised higher education, universal healthcare, a sound welfare system, all of which cushion us from the grinding insecurity typifying middle American life today. Sure, things can improve, and we might just get our localised emulations of OWS. The participants will probably even have a valid point or two to make, before packing up and going home. Our American cousins, on the other hand, are much more likely to make this a long term project. After all, they've an entire social order to overturn.

(C) ABC, 2011

[Buck]

" I feel more like a mother watching her child running off into known danger and crying out "STOPPPPP!" and not being heard. Yes, they have a right to run, and I guess that's that."

U/S, it's obvious from the above statement that you mean well. So does Fred. But your real opinion is there, plain as day in your own words. S/U, you do yourself a disservice here. Fred would have a hard time crafting a sentence that was so nicely put, so softly spoken :)

It also happens to be incredibly patronizing.

Maybe the yardstick you guys have been using evaluate your fellow man's potential is wrong. That is what some of the people on here are trying to say to you guys. We (and you too btw) are capable of so much more, more than you realize in your measure of the event.

[king anthony]

...

Did he say "democracy" implying it is a good thing around the 37 and 45 second mark in the video (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31985-Occupy-WallStreet-EXPOSED.&p=326345&viewfull=1#post326345)...


If I may refer to quotes from this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14275-What-Is-Your-Unusual-Experience-Story&p=326626&viewfull=1#post326626);
"Dictatorship = ruled by one or a few. Communism = ruled by one or a few, government controls corporations. Democracy = ruled by mob as 51% can take away the rights of 49% and corporations control the government. Corporation = in law has the status of a real living human being, thus corporate policy is law and is controlled by one or a few; as well, studies have concluded corporations are sociopathic in nature. Republic (un-bastardized) = ruled by all as 99% of the population cannot take away the rights of 1%.

Corporate policy = accepted voluntarily.

Statutes, Rules, Acts, Codes, Policies and such = have the force of law and are accepted voluntarily. Common Law = under the "king's rule". Admiralty Law = is corporate policy of "water". Natural Law (un-bastardized) = is "all living things have the right to life", which encompasses aiding others, peace, harmony, progress, sharing benefits of the collective, equality as well as self-preservation; those things not living have no status. Religions, faiths, belief systems and such = accepted voluntarily and form a social control structure while falsely empowering, one or a few control (even when it appears none do). "

If I may also add the following;


Using "The Shirt and Tie Model"



Opinion
Is that a shirt and tie combination either works well together or not.

Theory
Is making the shirt and tie combination either fit together or not.

Belief
Is the hope that one is correct with their theory of the shirt and tie combination, either it fitting together or not.

Hope
Is the impossibility of reason.

Faith
Is that someone else will agree with either Theory or Opinion that the shirt and tie combination fits well together or not.

Fact/Truth
Is the color of shirt and tie is and remains the same.

...really, did he say it in this way!? Is there more to the video then what I referred to??

[ponda]

Declaration of the Occupation of New York City

NYC General Assembly, Sept. 29, 2011

http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-york-city/

As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.

As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.

They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.

They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.

They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.

They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices.

They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.

They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.

They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.

They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.

They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.

They have sold our privacy as a commodity.

They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.

They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.

They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.

They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them.

They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.

They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit.

They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.

They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.

They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.

They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.

They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.

They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts. *

To the people of the world,

We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.

Join us and make your voices heard!
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*These grievances are not all-inclusive.
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[ponda]

We Are The 99 Percent

We are the 99 percent. We are getting kicked out of our homes. We are forced to choose between groceries and rent. We are denied quality medical care. We are suffering from environmental pollution. We are working long hours for little pay and no rights, if we're working at all. We are getting nothing while the other 1 percent is getting everything. We are the 99 percent.

Brought to you by the people who occupy wall street. Why will YOU occupy?

http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/page/2


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Every day I grow angrier about the corporatocracy running this country, the nonstop media cacophony that distracts us from the truth, the continued concentration of wealth into fewer and fewer hands, the unchecked hemorrhaging of resources wasted on multiple wars, and the utter global embarrassment that the U.S. has become. All of this, coupled with an undervalued and deteriorating public education system, does not bode well for the future of democracy.
But what makes me angriest is that they keep telling us the solution is to BUY MORE CRAP!!!!

[Whiskey_Mystic]

99% love Obama

That's the most asinine thing I've read on Avalon since Charles left. You want to back that figure up? You have no idea what the percentage is or even if it's a majority. You're assuming. This is the kind of agenda-polarity rant I expect to see on other websites.

Whatever is or isn't happening here, people like you will never know because you are busy defending whatever reality you subscribe to. Let go of your sacred cows or they will be used to manipulate you. Let go of what you think you know if you want to find out what you don't know.

Let me dumb it down for everyone. If you are anti-Obama, anti-liberal, anti-Boehner, anti-conservatve, anti-semitic, anti-love, anti-hate, anti-money, anti-poverty, anti-business, anti-communist, anti-penguin, or anti-matter then this is where They have leverage to control you. It always has been. Pick a side and you have entered the duality. And that's right where they want you.

[king anthony]

...We are the 99 percent. We are getting kicked out of our homes. We are forced to choose between groceries and rent. We are denied quality medical care. We are suffering from environmental pollution. We are working long hours for little pay and no rights, if we're working at all. We are getting nothing while the other 1 percent is getting everything. We are the 99 percent...

I say, and yet no one does anything other then ask for more of what has been the cause of (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31985-Occupy-WallStreet-EXPOSED.&p=327774&viewfull=1#post327774)all "complaints".

[starsha]

Pick a side and you have entered the duality. And that's right where they want you.

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[ponda]

King Anthony said:

I say, and yet no one does anything other then asking for more of what has been the cause of all "complaints".


Yeah fair point.

The next question might be..What is the Answer ??.... or....What is the ideal scenerio and how do we get there ?

It's almost like no one knows how things should be.Just what is the ideal society and how do we change from the current mess to something better as smoothly as possible ?

It might be early days and a lot more people might have to wake up before everyone starts talking about 'what comes next' but certainly some measures could easily be taken to kick things off in the right direction.

[king anthony]

...The next question might be..What is the Answer ??.... or....What is the ideal scenerio and how do we get there...

I say, I repeat my words from here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?25580-Virtual-And-Real-Forums----Objectives-and-Illusions&p=326730#post326730)...



"I say, when one tells another of fact/truth another may say this is opinion (and such) - however, when another seeks and finds on their own they cannot say the same; perhaps this is why many wish to be told of "things" for it they do not like what they hear they can dismiss what is given- something which cannot be done when fact/truth is faced. If another rejects what they face then it is on them."

...however, when one may know more, have understanding and is willing to share - others cannot accept, simply reject for whatever (personal) reason and/or...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StHwAffUNxo

[starsha]

Personally speaking, I very clearly see two separate awakenings occuring simultaneously, one true, and one false. I'm sorry everybody, that's what I see, and I'm not concerned with my popularity in trying to clearly state what I see. And, in case anyone's wondering, yes, I DO consider the possibility I could be wrong, as always...Do any of you? If I am proven wrong I won't bat an eye at starting a thread just to say so, that's not a concern.

This is not aimed personally at ... anyone else, it's more to the general trend in how this thread has evolved.

Cheers,
Fred

Hey Fred,

I would really be interested in hearing more of what you have to say about this. If you do start a new thread to elaborate on this topic (or if you do so here) let me know please. :)

Love
Starsha

[onawah]

Lots and lots of links and articles on the protest here:

http://www.earthrainbownetwork.com/Archives2011/AmericanFall2.htm

[Solstice]

Ok I'm eating Crow right now NT...Tastes like chicken.
I have spent some time talking to some of the people downtown. Most of the younger people I spoke to are very much aware of the Fed and it's role all this mess. I did not see any Union people but didn't wade into the mass either. The Fed is my burning issue. So my hair is longer than most there, no one was offensive action or odor, in one conversation when I told a small group I was talking to that I was a vet they thanked me for my service. I don't see that anyone is trying to hijack the movement but some are trying. Some thoughts...

1. This is not a grass roots movement but I believe it has become one.
2. Neither the Unions or the Washington crowd has been able to control the movement. Like the Tea partners that scared the crap out of the GOP when they couldn't be controlled.
3. I admit my ignorance and appreciate the nudge.
4. Although much of the organizational funding came from the Soros cult I think it's out of control and both right and left should thank the for starting the wildfire.

Jai Guru Dev

[whenyournex2me]

people will never learn... that is the lesson for today people. get it?

[Calz]

What the heck ... if we cannot laugh at some of the nonsense going on then ...

10424

[nottelling]

Ok I'm eating Crow right now NT...Tastes like chicken.
I have spent some time talking to some of the people downtown. Most of the younger people I spoke to are very much aware of the Fed and it's role all this mess. I did not see any Union people but didn't wade into the mass either. The Fed is my burning issue. So my hair is longer than most there, no one was offensive action or odor, in one conversation when I told a small group I was talking to that I was a vet they thanked me for my service. I don't see that anyone is trying to hijack the movement but some are trying. Some thoughts...

1. This is not a grass roots movement but I believe it has become one.
2. Neither the Unions or the Washington crowd has been able to control the movement. Like the Tea partners that scared the crap out of the GOP when they couldn't be controlled.
3. I admit my ignorance and appreciate the nudge.
4. Although much of the organizational funding came from the Soros cult I think it's out of control and both right and left should thank the for starting the wildfire.

Jai Guru Dev

LOL You're not the only one eating crow Solstice. I'm working hard with my own area's Occupation to make sure it doesn't turn into a Marxist (seriously!) wank-fest. The Aussie Occupations are truly grass-roots and weren't started with any socialist money, but they are surely trying to co-opt it. I'm talking hard core, so the fears of the opponents of OWS are grounded in truth. Luckily the bulk of the Occupiers in my area have educated themselves and are aware of the threat of being seen as anything other than non-partisan. Time will tell how successful we are - we kick off on the 15th - Global Occupation Day.

For the record mate - My dad is an Aussie Viet Nam Vet and I respect the hell out of all you blokes.

[Buck]

What the heck ... if we cannot laugh at some of the nonsense going on then ...

10424

Cal, you are being played as you play, sir. I am sorry, you are probably just trying to lighten things up here and I am imagining you did not really intend any malice with this seemingly harmless cartoon. And it is funny, the character is funny, the cartoon is funny- very ironic.
And we should be able to laugh at ourselves, yes. In the service of humility and keeping the ego in check- it is a fantastic and beautiful thing.

But.
What is the thru-line of this cartoon; It is a 'funny' look at the lack of self awareness of the people protesting, laughing at the clueless idiots, Finding fault with them, pointing out their blind hypocrisy. Just look at the self entitled clueless little snots living in their parents basments out having a frolic, playing at protester. Ha ha ha.

Who would dare say that it is ever a bad idea to lighten up and have a good laugh? Maybe when it is in the service of something that all of us here agree is absolutely not funny.

Ask yourself if this is helping to clarify the profound connection that all humans share, or is it helping to create the illusion of division and separation. Then ask yourself, Cal, what is that you have learned about the PTB after all these years of investigation. What is it that you can summarize, that is a signature tell tale of the PTB?

Here is what I have learned (a lot of it from here at Avalon) from the playbook for the ruling elite;

1) select two countries, two political parties, two sports teams, two religious beliefs. Preferably two entities that already have some discord or animosity that can be exploited. The beauty of this method is it doesn't really matter what you choose, could be blacks against whites, Jews and Nazis, unemployed vs the rich- they all can work well is set up properly. Evaluate the potential to profit from pitting them against each other. Select the best candidate for the highest profit margin. Invest heavily in both positions through a variety of methods.

2) create a very simple and clear event to energize this polarity. Something spectacular is preferable - like 9-11.

3) craft a very concise message to roll out with the engineered event- such as "Muslims hate America" that can be reinforced through all media outlets and mediums.

4) Congratulations! You have just created a potentially endless source of violence, strife and pain, all built out of nothing more than smoke and mirrors. Now all you need to to do is just sit back and watch the fun. You can even make cartoons and funny movies about it it if you care to- that will only help to enhance the message.

5) Profit handsomely.

Even IF all the protestors were mindlessly programmed consumers exactly as pictured, why is it your knee jerk reaction to judge them for their ignorance and their apparent blindness. These are the same masses of teenagers that all of us here have so carefully documented are, from birth, being chemtrailed, flouridated, their food is full of toxins, all of their media intake and exposure is almost entirely controlled, they are tracked, prompted, agitated, brain washed, shot full of toxins and carcinogens, and exposed to a mind numbing overstimulated, sexualized, contextualized, nonstop onslaught of sensory input- all of designed to inspire one thing; Consumerism based on false beliefs about ourselves.

[Buck]

99% love Obama

That's the most asinine thing I've read on Avalon since Charles left. You want to back that figure up? You have no idea what the percentage is or even if it's a majority. You're assuming. This is the kind of agenda-polarity rant I expect to see on other websites.

Whatever is or isn't happening here, people like you will never know because you are busy defending whatever reality you subscribe to. Let go of your sacred cows or they will be used to manipulate you. Let go of what you think you know if you want to find out what you don't know.

Let me dumb it down for everyone. If you are anti-Obama, anti-liberal, anti-Boehner, anti-conservatve, anti-semitic, anti-love, anti-hate, anti-money, anti-poverty, anti-business, anti-communist, anti-penguin, or anti-matter then this is where They have leverage to control you. It always has been. Pick a side and you have entered the duality. And that's right where they want you.


couldn't agree more, on all counts. The energy signature of this exchange is dense, very dense. We are being played.
The difference is here, at Avalon, we have the potential to elevate the frequency and become collectively self aware of our attachment and our investment in this seductive illusion. We absolutely have the potential. Dealing with Charles was the forum's opportunity to evolve.
Reading this thread, I admit wondering if we did not grow as much as I initially thought we had.

[Referee]

Real event or Staged?

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[Unified Serenity]

Whether you feel my comments are assanine or not, I stand by what I see, hear, and feel spiritually about what is going on with OWS. Sure there is a mixture of people down there protesting. But, when I see who is backing this, who is supporting this class warfare scenario, who is being polarized via the political pundents and media it appears to be a set-up to blame business for the problems we face in this country. Obama is pointing the finger along with the Democrats in support of OWS against WS and the media has for years positioned the Republicans as the ones who support the business community at the peril of the little guy who just wants a decent wage. This will be Obama's platform.

I think as this plays out it will become more and more apparent it is going to have a left right paradigm. The Teaparty was more or less a conservative movement, and the OWS is more or less a liberal / socialist movement. I am glad to see the issue of the real problem imho of occupy the Fed getting some airplay. I truly think it is really a problem, crisis, solution power play by the banks to bring the American standard of living down so they can make more money. There are a lot of issues that play into the decline of the American way of life, and it has taken us years to get here. When I had my radio show in the early and mid 1990's, I warned that GATT and NAFTA would destroy our jobs, and rob us of our money, and they have Those countries who benefitted have more jobs albeit very low wage jobs for the most part, but jobs nonetheless. This all smacks of 1917 politics to me.

I also think it's rather humorous that some take exception to my using the term "useful idiots" about the masses down on OWS playing into this charade and yet it's perfectly acceptable to those on this thread to allow my thoughts and words to be called assanine. We are a family, and I dare anyone to get into a discussion with their family member and say to them, "That's just assanine" and not have it create negative energy. I explained my comments about useful idiots and apologized as I do see how it could cause hurt feelings. My how the worm turns.

[Solstice]

Lots of luck NT! Don't forget us in all the excitement. Pls do what you can to make sure everyone's safe and healthy. Keep it real Brother!

[onawah]

http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/10/10/financial-giants-put-new-york-city-cops-on-their-payroll/
Who Do the White Shirt Police Report to at Occupy Wall Street Protests?
Financial Giants Put New York City Cops On Their Payroll
by PAM MARTENS

Videos are springing up across the internet showing uniformed members of the New York Police Department in white shirts (as opposed to the typical NYPD blue uniforms) pepper spraying and brutalizing peaceful, nonthreatening protestors attempting to take part in the Occupy Wall Street marches. Corporate media are reporting that these white shirts are police supervisors as opposed to rank and file. Recently discovered documents suggest something else may be at work.

If you’re a Wall Street behemoth, there are endless opportunities to privatize profits and socialize losses beyond collecting trillions of dollars in bailouts from taxpayers. One of the ingenious methods that has remained below the public’s radar was started by the Rudy Giuliani administration in New York City in 1998. It’s called the Paid Detail Unit and it allows the New York Stock Exchange and Wall Street corporations, including those repeatedly charged with crimes, to order up a flank of New York’s finest with the ease of dialing the deli for a pastrami on rye.

The corporations pay an average of $37 an hour (no medical, no pension benefit, no overtime pay) for a member of the NYPD, with gun, handcuffs and the ability to arrest. The officer is indemnified by the taxpayer, not the corporation.

New York City gets a 10 percent administrative fee on top of the $37 per hour paid to the police. The City’s 2011 budget called for $1,184,000 in Paid Detail fees, meaning private corporations were paying wages of $11.8 million to police participating in the Paid Detail Unit. The program has more than doubled in revenue to the city since 2002.

The taxpayer has paid for the training of the rent-a-cop, his uniform and gun, and will pick up the legal tab for lawsuits stemming from the police personnel following illegal instructions from its corporate master. Lawsuits have already sprung up from the program.

When the program was first rolled out, one insightful member of the NYPD posted the following on a forum: “… regarding the officer working for, and being paid by, some of the richest people and organizations in the City, if not the world, enforcing the mandates of the private employer, and in effect, allowing the officer to become the Praetorian Guard of the elite of the City. And now corruption is no longer a problem. Who are they kidding?”

Just this year, the Department of Justice revealed serious problems with the Paid Detail unit of the New Orleans Police Department. Now corruption probes are snowballing at NOPD, revealing cash payments to police in the Paid Detail and members of the department setting up limited liability corporations to run upwards of $250,000 in Paid Detail work billed to the city.

When the infamously mismanaged Wall Street firm, Lehman Brothers, collapsed on September 15, 2008, its bankruptcy filings in 2009 showed it owed money to 21 members of the NYPD’s Paid Detail Unit. (A phone call and email request to the NYPD for information on which Wall Street firms participate in the program were not responded to. The police unions appear to have only scant information about the program.)

Other Wall Street firms that are known to have used the Paid Detail include Goldman Sachs, the World Financial Center complex which houses financial firms, and the New York Stock Exchange.

The New York Stock Exchange is the building in front of which the Occupy Wall Street protesters have unsuccessfully tried to protest, being herded behind metal barricades, clubbed with night sticks, kicked in the face and carted off to jail rather than permit the last plantation in America to be defiled with citizen chants and posters. (A sample of those politically inconvenient posters and chants: “The corrupt are afraid of us; the honest support us; the heroic join us”; “Tell me what democracy looks like, this is what democracy looks like”; “I’ll believe a corporation is a person when Texas executes one.” The last sign refers to the 2010 U.S. Supreme Court decision, Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, giving corporations First Amendment personhood, which allows them to spend unlimited amounts of money in elections.)

On September 8, 2004, Robert Britz, then President and Co-Chief Operating Officer of the New York Stock Exchange, testified as follows to the U.S. House Committee on Financial Services:

“…we have implemented new hiring standards requiring former law enforcement or military backgrounds for the security staff…We have established a 24-hour NYPD Paid Detail monitoring the perimeter of the data centers…We have implemented traffic control and vehicle screening at the checkpoints. We have installed fixed protective planters and movable vehicle barriers.”

Military backgrounds; paid NYPD 24-7; checkpoints; vehicle barriers? It might be insightful to recall that the New York Stock Exchange originally traded stocks with a handshake under a Buttonwood tree in the open air on Wall Street.

In his testimony, the NYSE executive Britz states that “we” did this or that while describing functions that clearly belong to the City of New York. The New York Stock Exchange at that time had not yet gone public and was owned by those who had purchased seats on the exchange – primarily, the largest firms on Wall Street. Did the NYSE simply give itself police powers to barricade streets and set up checkpoints with rented cops? How about clubbing protesters on the sidewalk?

Just six months before NYSE executive Britz’ testimony to a congressional committee, his organization was being sued in the Supreme Court of New York County for illegally taking over public streets with no authority to do so. This action had crippled the business of a parking garage, Wall Street Garage Parking Corp., the plaintiff in the case. Judge Walter Tolub said in his opinion that

“…a private entity, the New York Stock Exchange, has assumed responsibility for the patrol and maintenance of truck blockades located at seven intersections surrounding the NYSE…no formal authority appears to have been given to the NYSE to maintain these blockades and/or conduct security searches at these checkpoints…the closure of these intersections by the NYSE is tantamount to a public nuisance…The NYSE has yet to provide this court with any evidence of an agreement giving them the authority to maintain the security perimeter and/or conduct the searches that their private security force conducts daily. As such, the NYSE’s actions are unlawful and may be enjoined as they violate plaintiff’s civil rights as a private citizen.”

The case was appealed, the ruling overturned, and sent back to the same Judge who had no choice but to dismiss the case on the appellate ruling that the plaintiff had suffered no greater harm than the community at large. Does everyone in lower Manhattan own a parking garage that is losing its customer base because the roads are blocked to the garage?

Some believe that Wall Street is given special privileges and protection because New York City’s Mayor Michael Bloomberg owes his $18.1 billion in wealth (yes, he’s that 1 percent the 99 percent are protesting) to Wall Street. The Mayor was previously a trader for Salomon Brothers, the investment bank made famous for attempting to rig the U.S. Treasury market in two-year notes.

The Mayor’s business empire which bears his name, includes the awesome Bloomberg terminal, a computer that houses enormous pricing data for stocks and bonds, research, news, charting functions and much more. There are currently an estimated 290,000 of these terminals on Wall Street trading floors around the globe, generating approximately $1500 in rental fees per terminal per month. That’s a cool $435 million a month or $5.2 billion a year, the cash cow of the Bloomberg businesses.

The Bloomberg businesses are run independently from the Mayor but he certainly knows that his terminal is a core component of his wealth. Nonetheless, the Mayor is not Wall Street’s patsy. Bloomberg Publishing is frequently in the forefront of exposing fraud on Wall Street such as the 2001 tome “The Pied Pipers of Wall Street” by Benjamin Mark Cole, which exposed the practice of releasing fraudulent stock research to the public. Bloomberg News was responsible for court action that forced the Federal Reserve to release the details of what it did with trillions of dollars in taxpayer bailouts to Wall Street firms, hedge funds and foreign banks.

Police Commissioner Ray Kelly may also have a soft spot for Wall Street. He was formerly Senior Managing Director of Global Corporate Security at Bear, Stearns & Co. Inc., the Wall Street firm that collapsed into the arms of JPMorgan in March of 2008.

There has also been a bizarre revolving door between the Wall Street millionaires and the NYPD at times. One of the most puzzling career moves was made by Stephen L. Hammerman. He left a hefty compensation package as Vice Chairman of Merrill Lynch & Co. in 2002 to work as Deputy Commissioner of Legal Matters for the NYPD from 2002 to 2004. That move had everyone on Wall Street scratching their head at the time. Merrill collapsed into the arms of Bank of America on September 15, 2008, the same date that Lehman went under.

Wall Street is not the only sector renting cops in Manhattan. Department stores, parks, commercial banks and landmarks like Rockefeller Center, Jacob Javits Center and St. Patrick’s Cathedral have also participated in the Paid Detail Unit, according to insiders. But Wall Street is the only sector that runs a private justice system where its crimes are herded off to secret arbitration tribunals, has sucked on the public teat to the tune of trillions of dollars, escaped prosecution for the financial collapse, and can put an armed municipal force on the sidewalk to intimidate public protestors seeking a realignment of their democracy.

We may be learning a lot more in the future about the tactics Wall Street and the NYPD have deployed against the Occupy Wall Street protestors. The highly regarded Partnership for Civil Justice Fund has filed a class action lawsuit over the approximately 700 arrests made on the Brooklyn Bridge on October 1. The formal complaint and related information is available at the organization’s web site, www.JusticeOnLine.org.

The organization was founded by Carl Messineo and Mara Verheyden-Hilliard. The Washington Post has called them “the constitutional sheriffs for a new protest generation.”

The suit names Mayor Bloomberg, Police Commissioner Kelly, the City of New York, 30 unnamed members of the NYPD, and, provocatively, 10 unnamed law enforcement officers not employed by the NYPD.

The lawsuit lays out dwhat has been curtailing the constitutional rights of protestors for a very long time in New York City.

“As seen in the movements for social change in the Middle East and Europe, all movements for social justice, jobs, and democracy need room to breathe and grow and it is imperative that there be a halt to law enforcement actions used to shut down mass assembly and free expression of the people seeking to redress grievances…

“After escorting and leading a group of demonstrators and others well out onto the Brooklyn Bridge roadway, the NYPD suddenly and without warning curtailed further forward movement, blocked the ability of persons to leave the Bridge from the rear, and arrested hundreds of protestors in the absence of probable cause. This was a form of entrapment, both illegal and physical.

“That the trap and detain mass arrest was a command-level-driven intentional and calculated police operation is evidenced by the fact that the law enforcement officials who led the demonstration across the bridge were command officials, known as ‘white shirts.’ ”

In April 2001, I was arrested and incarcerated by the NYPD while peacefully handing out flyers on a public sidewalk outside of the Citigroup shareholders meeting – flyers that warned of growing corruption inside the company. (The unlawful merger of Travelers Group and Citibank created Citigroup and resulted in the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act, the depression era investor protection legislation that barred depositor banks from merging with high-risk Wall Street firms. Many of us from social justice groups in New York City had protested against the repeal but were out maneuvered by Wall Street’s political pawns in Washington.)

Out of a group of about two dozen protestors from the National Organization for Women in New York City, Rain Forest Action Network, and Inner City Press, I was the only person arrested. There was no civil disobedience occurring. Rain Forest Action Network was handing out fortune cookies with prescient warnings about Citigroup and urging pedestrians to cut up their Citibank credit cards. The rest of us were peacefully handing out flyers.

Chained to a metal bar inside the police precinct, I was grilled on any crimes I might know about. I responded that the only crimes I knew about were listed on the flyer and apparently, in New York City, one gets arrested for disclosing crimes by Wall Street firms.

A mysterious, mature, white shirted inspector who ordered my arrest on the sidewalk, and refused to give his first name, disappeared from the police report when it was filed, blaming the arrest instead on a young police officer. Citigroup is only alive today because the Federal government inserted a feeding tube into Citigroup and infused over $2 trillion in loans, direct investment and guarantees as the company veered toward collapse.

The NYPD at the time of my arrest was run by Bernard Kerik – the man President George W. Bush later sent to Iraq to be the interim Interior Minister and train Iraqi police. The President subsequently nominated Kerik to head the Department of Homeland Security for the entire nation. The nation was spared of that eventuality only because of an illegal nanny popping up. Today, Kerik is serving a four year sentence in Federal prison for a variety of criminal acts.

The New York Civil Liberties Union filed a Federal lawsuit on my behalf (Martens v. Giuliani) and we learned that the NYPD had arbitrarily established a policy to arrest and hold for 72 hours any person protesting in a group of 20 or more. The case was settled for a modest monetary award and the repeal by the NYPD of this unconstitutional and despicable practice.

Pam Martens worked on Wall Street for 21 years. She spent the last decade of her career advocating against Wall Street’s private justice system, which keeps its crimes shielded from public courtrooms. She has been writing on public interest issues for CounterPunch since retiring in 2006. She has no security position, long or short, in any company mentioned in this article. She can be reached at pamk741@aol.com

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[Darla Ken Pearce]

Whatever your take on Occupy Wall Street may be ~ it's spreading.... Check this out:

Freedom Plaza Is Now Ours

By David Swanson

http://warisacrime.org/content/freedom-plaza-now-ours

And we're never giving it back. Our permit for Freedom Plaza in Washington, D.C., expired, we refused to leave, and the Park Police has just proposed to let us stay for four more months.

We've agreed. We have not said that when the four months are over and the American Spring is here we will leave.

In fact, we intend to make it possible for anyone to visit D.C. with free accommodations. Just bring a sleeping bag and agree to work with us to pressure Congress, the White House, K Street, the Pentagon, and all the lobbyists and profiteers for peace and justice.

We have free food, we have free drink, we have free trainings and seminars, we have tents, we have peace keepers, we have a big victory under out belts, and we welcome all peace makers for they shall inherit Freedom Plaza. We own it. It is ours. It shall remain ours world without end.

The Taste of DC food festival just gave us all their remaining food. Or at least all the individual booths did. Ben and Jerry's just endorsed us. Busboys and Poets just fed us. Businesses that support us will be honored and supported by 99 percent of this country.

So, here's the plan: Bring us your reports from around the country at your local Occupations. Fill us in here in the Empire's Capital. We will fill you in too. We will train and inspire and connect you with the rest of this global movement. Then go back home energized. Come down from New York and go back up. We need to coordinate on a personal level.

Our brothers and sisters in McPherson Square have a growing occupation too. Join them. Join us. We're family. We disrupted the work of the NSA today, and the Association of the Army's convention at which our women had generals crawling under tanks to avoid cameras. We shut down a celebration of Christopher Columbus as well.
And Tuesday morning at 9 a.m. sharp in Our Freedom Plaza we will set off to "welcome" Congress back to town. Join us. We are legion.

The one thing that we need now is money, and you can contribute it at http://october2011.org (http://october2011.org/)

Or you can wait for the bankster war machine to confiscate your money, eat your retirement, swallow your healthcare, foreclose on your home, and tax you into debt to pay for plutocrats' profiteering.

It's up to you.

It's up to us.

--
David Swanson is the author of "War Is A Lie"

My Note: We have been advised the tide is turning and the evidence just keeps rolling in...for great changes this year and there are very few months left.

[161803398]

Well, I joined all the Occupy Groups on Facebook to see what is going on AND there's a lot of them all over the world. Not much in South America and Africa but Europe, Australia, Canada and some in Asia.

[Referee]

It is spreading around the world.

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[Ba-ba-Ra]

Will we ever no for sure who is behind this event. My belief is the ptb will try to use and tweek every event, both natural and unnatural to further their cause. HOWEVER, sometimes they can't stop the rolling boulder or even determine its course.

Others have pointed out things that changed because of civil unrest in this country. I'm probably the oldest participant on this forum (not saying I'm smarter because of age - just saying I lived thru more events) I actually lived in Berkeley in the late 1960's. And yes, I saw how the media staged events and even ignited them. But I also saw the many who were fed up with wars and politicians who promoted them for their own financial and political gain.

Whenever you have huge events, it will attract all kinds. Some will just be thrill seekers or angry people looking for a way to release their anger, (and I do notice how the MSN manages to put more of them on camera) but don't overlook the many, serious, well-informed citizens who have had enough and don't know any other way to change the process. We've tried putting different parties and candidates in office - but no change.

I personally would like to see some of the grassroot organizations find a way to put legislation on the ballots that will:

a) End the Federal Reserve
b) Campaign reform
c) Reinstate controls over banks and wall street
d) End or greatly reduce the funding of wars
e) End golden glove pensions, health care, etc for politicians and put them on the same programs (S.S., Medicare, etc) that the rest of the citizens have.

We can't wait for the politicians to pass these laws - I hope we can see by now that they are too enmeshed to act responsibly, but couldn't we force agendas by putting these items on the ballet?

[Andre]

Hi "Unified Serenity",

Your perception of events is completely different to mine. For starters, to say they have "no real cause" is not what I hear at all. They are occupying Wall Street and they see that Government has become a subsidiary of Wall Street. That's pretty clear to me. Now, you say they are "frustrated that they missed the 1960s". But most of these people weren't born in the 60s. Makes no sense. And then, you say that when they're interviewed, they "cannot cogently discuss their issues". I've watched several "on the street" interviews and I was astounded at how articulate these interviewees were.

[Unified Serenity]

Hi "Unified Serenity",

Your perception of events is completely different to mine. For starters, to say they have "no real cause" is not what I hear at all. They are occupying Wall Street and they see that Government has become a subsidiary of Wall Street. That's pretty clear to me. Now, you say they are "frustrated that they missed the 1960s". But most of these people weren't born in the 60s. Makes no sense. And then, you say that when they're interviewed, they "cannot cogently discuss their issues". I've watched several "on the street" interviews and I was astounded at how articulate these interviewees were.


We are seeing different things and I never said all the people there are this way. I do see a lot of young acting bohemians and that is what I mean by they missed the 1960's and all they hear it was. I hear a lot of nebulous demands and slogans, but their anger is expressed as mostly anti-capitalism in general and of course their politicians are not to blame when interviewers point out that the very things they are mad about have been created by buying off said politicians. I've said my peace, and posted my sources.

[nottelling]

I missed the 60s, and I truly believe that if I'd been there everything would have worked out fine... wait, I think I stole that from Tommy Lee Jones.

For the record, as a die-hard supporter of the Occupy movement, I'm there because I believe EVERYBODY has the right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Debt slavery (for individuals and entire nations (!) ), poisoned food and "bought" governments world-wide do not gel with my belief system so from a moral viewpoint I have taken a stance to oppose it - very loudly.

There's what works and there's what doesn't work. What we have going on economically right now in the world simply doesn't "work". It's unsustainable and a decade of Great Depression 2.0 will be our penance for letting things get this bad. A lack of community spirit and personal/corporate/government responsibility caused this and no amount of government or business reforms can stop it, but we can sure as hell learn from it. Maybe it's the wake-up call we needed to get to thinking about things differently.

Specific solutions? I have none. All I know is what doesn't work - capitalism gone-wrong got us into this mess and socialism gone-wrong would be a frickin' nightmare - one that I would take up arms to oppose. So what's the solution?

[GlassSteagallfan]

Hi all. Found this video at the max keiser site. Its on another thread, but relevant here. Titled "I'm Not Moving"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjfhOPCPJnE&feature=player_embedded&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fs.ytimg.com%2Fyt%2Fswfbin%2Fwatc h_as3-vflTGhsfb.swf

[risveglio]

I missed the 60s, and I truly believe that if I'd been there everything would have worked out fine... wait, I think I stole that from Tommy Lee Jones.

For the record, as a die-hard supporter of the Occupy movement, I'm there because I believe EVERYBODY has the right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Debt slavery (for individuals and entire nations (!) ), poisoned food and "bought" governments world-wide do not gel with my belief system so from a moral viewpoint I have taken a stance to oppose it - very loudly.

There's what works and there's what doesn't work. What we have going on economically right now in the world simply doesn't "work". It's unsustainable and a decade of Great Depression 2.0 will be our penance for letting things get this bad. A lack of community spirit and personal/corporate/government responsibility caused this and no amount of government or business reforms can stop it, but we can sure as hell learn from it. Maybe it's the wake-up call we needed to get to thinking about things differently.

Specific solutions? I have none. All I know is what doesn't work - capitalism gone-wrong got us into this mess and socialism gone-wrong would be a frickin' nightmare - one that I would take up arms to oppose. So what's the solution?

I don't understand why you are putting the blame on capitalism. What we have now is not capitalism. Stop listening to Michael Moore, he is not a smart man and twists everything. I am not saying it is the answer to an enlightened society but I hate to tell you, we are nowhere near an enlightened society. To me the best answer is a return to free market capitalism with a strong understanding and push for volunteerism.

Yes, you may still have a small percentage of mega rich but they will probably be people with great ideas and workaholics. Yes you will still have the poor, but a hell of a lot less than we have now and hopefully a large amount of the populations doing well enough that volunteerism can be followed. Blaming capitalism when we have not had anything close to it in a very long time is just wrong and why I have a hard time supporting OWS without reservations.

[Unified Serenity]

I missed the 60s, and I truly believe that if I'd been there everything would have worked out fine... wait, I think I stole that from Tommy Lee Jones.

For the record, as a die-hard supporter of the Occupy movement, I'm there because I believe EVERYBODY has the right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Debt slavery (for individuals and entire nations (!) ), poisoned food and "bought" governments world-wide do not gel with my belief system so from a moral viewpoint I have taken a stance to oppose it - very loudly.

There's what works and there's what doesn't work. What we have going on economically right now in the world simply doesn't "work". It's unsustainable and a decade of Great Depression 2.0 will be our penance for letting things get this bad. A lack of community spirit and personal/corporate/government responsibility caused this and no amount of government or business reforms can stop it, but we can sure as hell learn from it. Maybe it's the wake-up call we needed to get to thinking about things differently.

Specific solutions? I have none. All I know is what doesn't work - capitalism gone-wrong got us into this mess and socialism gone-wrong would be a frickin' nightmare - one that I would take up arms to oppose. So what's the solution?

I don't understand why you are putting the blame on capitalism. What we have now is not capitalism. Stop listening to Michael Moore, he is not a smart man and twists everything. I am not saying it is the answer to an enlightened society but I hate to tell you, we are nowhere near an enlightened society. To me the best answer is a return to free market capitalism with a strong understanding and push for volunteerism.

Yes, you may still have a small percentage of mega rich but they will probably be people with great ideas and workaholics. Yes you will still have the poor, but a hell of a lot less than we have now and hopefully a large amount of the populations doing well enough that volunteerism can be followed. Blaming capitalism when we have not had anything close to it in a very long time is just wrong and why I have a hard time supporting OWS without reservations.

So true Risveglio. I was listening to my morning talk radio host here in Tallahassee and he had a guest on talking about drilling. Guess what state has the lowest unemployment. It's North Dakota, and you wanna know why? They are drilling for oil and there are more jobs than they can shake a stick at. Same think in Alberta Canada. Because of regulations we have stopped drilling off of Florida, and yet Cuba, Spain, Russia, Venezulans and others are drilling off our coast, how much sense is that? Yes, there are dangers, but not everything is deep water drilling. We now have found an oil field in Alaska that is bigger than what they have in the Middle East if the specs are right, but we can't drill their either. Sure, keep looking for alternative energy, but drill now here. OPEC will drop their prices overnight, and even if it takes us 10 years to get oil out of the ground, that's 10 years of jobs and more jobs once it's flowing. Not just oil jobs, but jobs from supporting that industry, jobs created from the profits and people spending money, and manufacturing. Yes, we have issues with our energy situation, but we are dying here as a Country and the environmentalists are piling on more regulations and saying to hell with your need for cheap energy and jobs, don't touch the environment at ALL, "Oh, but it's ok for China and all of them to do it!"

[Calz]

THE FIRST STREETWISE REVOLUTION? ...

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… OR ANOTHER FALSE AND MANIPULATED DAWN?
It’s Time To Choose

Any ‘protest’, any ‘change’ or ‘revolution’ not founded on the list below – at the very least the list below – has got no chance of changing anything. These very pillars of the system must fall or they will block any transformation of the human condition. The system does not need to be tinkered with or even fundamentally changed (on the surface). The whole bloody lot must go … starting with …

1. An end to creating money out of thin air on computer screens and charging interest on it (fractional reserve lending).

2. An end to governments borrowing fresh-air money called ‘credit’ from private banks and the people paying interest on this ‘money’ that has never, does not and will never exist. Governments (and that concept must change radically) can create their own currency – interest free.

3. An end to private banks issuing non-existent money called ‘credit’ at all and thus creating ‘money’ as a debt from the very start.

4. An end to casinos like Wall Street and the City of London betting mercilessly on the financial and commodity markets with the lives of billions around the world.

5. An end to all professional lobby groups that earn their living and their clients’ living from corrupting the professionally corruptible – vast numbers of world politicians and the overwhelming majority on Capitol Hill.

6. An end to no-contract government in which mendacious politicians can promise the people they will do this and that to win their support and then do the very opposite after they have lied themselves into office (see Obama).

7. An end to the centralisation of power in all areas of our lives and a start to diversifying power to communities to decide their own lives and thus ensure there are too many points of decision making for any cabal to centrally control.

That is just for starters. There is so much more where that came from. What good will come from rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic? NONE.

The banking system as we know it does not need to be ‘changed’ - it needs to be gone. It is a criminal activity based on fraud, extortion and, through its effect, on worldwide mass murder.

Its replacement needs to be decided by the population - not the very people who created it in the first place and are covertly manipulating a new global structure of financial control based on a world central bank.

Ain't that right, Mr Rothschild, Mr Rockefeller, Mr Soros?

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The tail is not wagging the dog – the tail is wagging the elephant so many are there in servitude to the few.

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On one level there is a mass mind control operation going on here ...

Independent reporter prevented from filming public event in Washington DC by 'protestors' who are supposed to be calling for 'freedom' - but we see once again the blatant mass mind control techniques that we posted yesterday.

Watch this with the collective repeating of statements (chilling) ...

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... And then watch what we posted yesterday from a similar event in Atlanta ...

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There is something very obvious going on here - and it is not good. Ditch the mind manipulating prats or you might as well go home, because you are doing no good, making no difference, and giving your mind away. What are you, lower-grade school kids repeating what teacher says?

My god, you are bloody adults. What are you doing?


http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/54623-the-first-streetwise-revolution-or-another-flase-and-manipulated-dawn

[nottelling]

I missed the 60s, and I truly believe that if I'd been there everything would have worked out fine... wait, I think I stole that from Tommy Lee Jones.

For the record, as a die-hard supporter of the Occupy movement, I'm there because I believe EVERYBODY has the right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Debt slavery (for individuals and entire nations (!) ), poisoned food and "bought" governments world-wide do not gel with my belief system so from a moral viewpoint I have taken a stance to oppose it - very loudly.

There's what works and there's what doesn't work. What we have going on economically right now in the world simply doesn't "work". It's unsustainable and a decade of Great Depression 2.0 will be our penance for letting things get this bad. A lack of community spirit and personal/corporate/government responsibility caused this and no amount of government or business reforms can stop it, but we can sure as hell learn from it. Maybe it's the wake-up call we needed to get to thinking about things differently.

Specific solutions? I have none. All I know is what doesn't work - capitalism gone-wrong got us into this mess and socialism gone-wrong would be a frickin' nightmare - one that I would take up arms to oppose. So what's the solution?

I don't understand why you are putting the blame on capitalism. What we have now is not capitalism. Stop listening to Michael Moore, he is not a smart man and twists everything. I am not saying it is the answer to an enlightened society but I hate to tell you, we are nowhere near an enlightened society. To me the best answer is a return to free market capitalism with a strong understanding and push for volunteerism.

Yes, you may still have a small percentage of mega rich but they will probably be people with great ideas and workaholics. Yes you will still have the poor, but a hell of a lot less than we have now and hopefully a large amount of the populations doing well enough that volunteerism can be followed. Blaming capitalism when we have not had anything close to it in a very long time is just wrong and why I have a hard time supporting OWS without reservations.

Ris, I'm not putting the blame on capitalism. I'm putting the blame on "capitalism gone-wrong". If I'm sounding like a socialist, I apologise - for the record I'm a Libertarian. I love capitalism and a free-market economy, I want the global economy to prosper through responsible economics. But as you say we haven't had capitalism for a long time.

I think I've had too many cyber-p*ssing-matches with communists :(




So true Risveglio. I was listening to my morning talk radio host here in Tallahassee and he had a guest on talking about drilling. Guess what state has the lowest unemployment. It's North Dakota, and you wanna know why? They are drilling for oil and there are more jobs than they can shake a stick at. Same think in Alberta Canada. Because of regulations we have stopped drilling off of Florida, and yet Cuba, Spain, Russia, Venezulans and others are drilling off our coast, how much sense is that? Yes, there are dangers, but not everything is deep water drilling. We now have found an oil field in Alaska that is bigger than what they have in the Middle East if the specs are right, but we can't drill their either. Sure, keep looking for alternative energy, but drill now here. OPEC will drop their prices overnight, and even if it takes us 10 years to get oil out of the ground, that's 10 years of jobs and more jobs once it's flowing. Not just oil jobs, but jobs from supporting that industry, jobs created from the profits and people spending money, and manufacturing. Yes, we have issues with our energy situation, but we are dying here as a Country and the environmentalists are piling on more regulations and saying to hell with your need for cheap energy and jobs, don't touch the environment at ALL, "Oh, but it's ok for China and all of them to do it!"

I agree - sort of. It's true the oil industry is creating jobs right here and now, but it's a bandaid solution to the energy problem. It's not sustainable and enviro-issues aside, if we are indeed on the downward slope of peak-oil, keeping us addicted to oil without coming up with viable alternatives on a global scale is madness. Besides, the coming attack on Iran and its buildup are going to blow out oil prices again. War is great for the oil companies.