Why is it that when people put themself out there about aliens....

[AMystic3434]

they get so ridiculed. I mean there really is a lot of evidence that aliens could have been to earth before. They can be so closed minded, like not wanting to concider the truth for what it could really be.

[Calz]

they get so ridiculed. I mean there really is a lot of evidence that aliens could have been to earth before. They can be so closed minded, like not wanting to concider the truth for what it could really be.

"Aliens" (if we must use that word) have always been here.

Slam dunk ... end of story.

Debunkers can "eat cake" ... redicule at will :haha:

[Earth Angel]

My friends ridicule me on all kinds of topics that are all openly discussed on this site. I went to a game of trivia at the local pub the other night and our good friends who brought along a mathematician for his brains :p then said and we have you (me) for entertainment (info)......I was so mad because I have so much more info but can't talk about it with them because they would laugh, argue, make fun of all of it.....if you don't have scientific proof its not real to the masses.

[divine_moments_of_truth]

This is best discussed with some Ancient Aliens on the tube (which apparently hypnotizes people lol). And point out all of the depictions of them in our history; reptilians and the blue-skinned beings are pretty much everywhere. It's also good to mention how old this Earth is and constructs that date back millions of years.

Max

[Calz]

Need "proof" ... plenty out there (one of many ...):


CREMO: “EXTRATERRESTRIAL ARCHEOLOGY GOES MAINSTREAM”

October 6, 2011 By Joseph P. Farrell

Yesterday I mentioned my recent acquisition of “alternative archeologist” Michael Cremo’s little book, The Forbidden Archeologist, a compilation of some of the articles and essays he has written over the years for Atlantis Rising magazine. Chapter 17 of this book, “Extraterrestrial Archeology Goes Mainstream” is a thought-provoking little essay on the fact that, like it or not, that “mainstream scientists are moving in our direction”(p. 84), with the “our” referring here to the alternative research community.

This became evident when Cremo visited the World Archeological Congress in Washington, D.C. in June of 2003, where, much to his surprise, he discovered that workshops on extraterrestrial archeology had been arranged by two academics from universities in the United Kingdom and Australia. They had organized their workshops around three areas: (1) UN, national, and international legislation to protect “space heritage sites and artifacts”(p. 80), which were further subdivided into two categories: (2) those sites and artifacts originating from humans, and (3) those originating from other intelligent species(pp. 81-82).

Well, as anyone following the work of any number of people, from the authentic to the ridiculous, it is by now a fairly well-established case that there are all sorts of artifacts scattered around the solar system, and that we humans did not make very many of them, or if we did, we’ve lost all record of having done so. With respect to this point, Cremo observes that there are already treaties and UN protocols in place that recognizes that rockets and other equipment found on various celestial bodies belong to the nation that launched them, whereas any non-human artifacts belong to no nation.(p. 82)

But then Cremo reported on two things which really captured my attention: one of the academic organizers of the extraterrestrial archeological workshops, John B. Campbell of James Cook University in Australia, observed that the United States and the Soviet Union had “also funded projects that searched for evidence of nuclear wars and Dyson spheres” in outer space!(p. 83). Now, as an aside, a Dyson sphere is simply a shell constructed around a star – yes, you read that correctly – to “create an expansive living environment with practically unlimited amounts of energy.”(p. 83). Well, obviously, the USA and USSR weren’t looking for Dyson spheres in our own solar system, since the last time I checked, no such sphere exists around our Sun. That could only mean they were looking outside of it, for whatever reason, and notably, that reason is not specified.

But what about that search for some past extraterrestrial nuclear war? Why would they even be looking for evidence of such a thing? One answer that immediately occurred to me was the ruins of the city of Mohengo Daro, in India, where there is clear evidence of a sudden nuclear event that occurred millennia ago, ca. 8000 years ago, according to some accounts, and much more recently, according to others. Let’s take the later date. If that be the case, then there is not evident on planet Earth at the time anything that would suggest a technological capability of manufacturing, much less delivering, nuclear weapons. Yet, Mohengo Daro with its stark confirmation of some sort of nuclear event nonetheless exists, as do the ancient Hindu epics that describe wars and weapons that sound eerily like nuclear weapons (though I myself, as I have pointed out in my early books, allow for other technological possibilities being described).

The bottom line is this: such technology would have to have originated – following this “reverse engineered chain of reasoning” out – off planet, and from elsewhere in the solar system, if not beyond. Here the USA and USSR would doubtless have been guided by ancient myth and lore to explore the planet Mars – associated with war in human myths since time immemorial – and lo and behold, the discover there the high concentrations of Xenon 129 in Mars’ atmosphere, a product of nuclear explosions, and a number of shallow craters on the Martian surface, resembling not so much meteoric craters, as nuclear ones.

So where is all this going? Patience…we’re coming to it, for Cremo then notes that the World Archeological Congress then called for “protections” and “regulation” of such “historical sites”(p. 82) In other words, what they are really calling for is an international layer of secrecy and control to be extended to such sites, in addition to the already existing national policies that may be in place.

No wonder NASA is “requesting” protection for its Apollo sites.

http://gizadeathstar.com/2011/10/cremo-extraterrestrial-archeology-goes-mainstream/

[RMorgan]

It´s funny, specially if the person trying to ridicule you is a christian. They believe in angels, demons and god and, technically speaking, they are all aliens.

[Tony]

My wife thinks I'm a bit of an alien!

[Calz]

ditto ... :alien:

[Amity]

We are all aliens to beings not from this planet. Theirs your proof! ;)

[Ineffable Hitchhiker]

It´s funny, specially if the person trying to ridicule you is a christian. They believe in angels, demons and god and, technically speaking, they are all aliens.

Good point!
And people believe they really have a voice when voting and that their president is serving in the interest of all the populace withiin a country. :)

[childs hood end]

they get so ridiculed. I mean there really is a lot of evidence that aliens could have been to earth before. They can be so closed minded, like not wanting to concider the truth for what it could really be.

Would not wory about it,, in time they will feel extra stupid ;)

Peace

[Pete]

they get so ridiculed. I mean there really is a lot of evidence that aliens could have been to earth before. They can be so closed minded, like not wanting to concider the truth for what it could really be.

I have to agree with you, you wouldn't believe the way people react, see white houses on the moon thread as a very good example. You would think that a broad based and spiritually enlightened forum such as this would be a little more free and easy in the way that they express themselves. Hey you might get it wrong but at least its there for people to question there own beliefs against. Who knows it might be the catalyst for the real truth. Isnt that what we are all after.

Come on guys, loosen up, so you make a burke of yourselves, it's only ego holding you back. lets get a little crazy, it's my opinion that source has a very good sense of humour. :p

[Calz]

they get so ridiculed. I mean there really is a lot of evidence that aliens could have been to earth before. They can be so closed minded, like not wanting to concider the truth for what it could really be.

Would not wory about it,, in time they will feel extra stupid ;)

Peace

And yet another :welcome: to Avalon.

Happy to see lots of folks coming on board :)

[childs hood end]

Bin on board the wake ship since mr.x my friend, just sittin back an watchin.. Thnks 4 de welcome :peace:

[woodshreder]

I have always felt like a alien trapped in a humans body .I have never bought into religion ,politics or war ,every fiber of ky soul feels like humanity has been lied to, manipulated, imprisoned ,suppressd ,and the truth hasn't been revealed

[Limor Wolf]

Since People use their 3D logic,it could work if we use the same 3D language when presenting them with this 'food for thought' (I think this could in potential have worked for me when I was asleep..) maybe they will ridicule when they are presented with tons of facts that they dont even wish to check,what I do is - I send them by mail (so they have the time to process it alone) some links that leave them with their mouth open... make their left brain do some loops,and than either they ask more questions or they ignor it completely.

The process of becoming aware to the Extraterrestriel reality and the fact that we are not alone in the universe (in an understatement),must start with some heavy question mark inside the 'victim's :) brain,and there are three video segments that I use that potentialy can 'do the job': I simply ask : What are they talking about?

Edgar mitchel - scientist and Senior astronaut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhNdxdveK7c

Paul helyer -former Canadian defense minister
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGyFWyNuF3s


The third one is the Disclosure conference -washington National press club -broadcasted Live on CNN 27/10/2010

"I would like to ask you, if you do not want to listen to the hour long evidence of those honorable, sane and very sensible people wich Held senior positions at the U.S. Air Force, than please listen to the three minutes between 42:00 and 45:00 .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtmpaM0PqyI&feature=player_embedded

[Warlock]

I don't believe in aliens, but I'm sure not going to ridicule someone who does. If someone has seen a UFO, or aliens, or whatever, I'll take them at their word, because I wasn't there.

I am not all knowing, and my lifespan will appear smaller than a speck of dust since the beginning of time, so who am I anyway to deny whatever others believe.

Warlock

[RMorgan]

It´s funny, specially if the person trying to ridicule you is a christian. They believe in angels, demons and god and, technically speaking, they are all aliens.

Good point!
And people believe they really have a voice when voting and that their president is serving in the interest of all the populace withiin a country. :)

This makes me think if there is some purpose in making us believe in Santa Claus or Easter Bunny when we´re kids...Maybe they are just getting us used to believe in lies since we were kids?

Oh man...My father in law is a pastor, the crazy kind, you know...Sometimes he reads some passages of the bible and I can´t contain myself...I start start LMAO!!!! There are so many absolutely crazy, stuff in the Bible and people don´t have problems in believing in it, still, they can´t accept the idea of aliens.

-They believe you go to heaven after you die, so Heaven=Place out of Earth= We become Aliens
-They believe angels came down, several times, to do many things. Angels= Aliens
-A star guided the kings to baby jesus. star with intelligent behavior=out of Earth= UFO

The world is so crazy!!!

[gooty64]

People who don't believe in aliens also don't get rides on spaceships!

[beyondmyctrl]

I don't believe in aliens, but I'm sure not going to ridicule someone who does. If someone has seen a UFO, or aliens, or whatever, I'll take them at their word, because I wasn't there.

I am not all knowing, and my lifespan will appear smaller than a speck of dust since the beginning of time, so who am I anyway to deny whatever others believe.

Warlock

hmmm THAT'S INTERESTING ! Don't worry I'm not gonna say : what are you doing here if you don't believe in aliens :) I realise there is a lot more to discuss on this forum other than aliens but I will ask though : When you say you don't believe in aliens do you mean you don't believe they exist ? or that they have visited earth ? and also if I may, can I ask you to tell me why you don't believe in aliens ?

spanx :)

Richard

[Warlock]

I don't believe in aliens, but I'm sure not going to ridicule someone who does. If someone has seen a UFO, or aliens, or whatever, I'll take them at their word, because I wasn't there.

I am not all knowing, and my lifespan will appear smaller than a speck of dust since the beginning of time, so who am I anyway to deny whatever others believe.

Warlock

hmmm THAT'S INTERESTING ! Don't worry I'm not gonna say : what are you doing here if you don't believe in aliens :) I realise there is a lot more to discuss on this forum other than aliens but I will ask though : When you say you don't believe in aliens do you mean you don't believe they exist ? or that they have visited earth ? and also if I may, can I ask you to tell me why you don't believe in aliens ?

spanx :)

Richard

What I will tell you is: I do not believe there is life on other planets.

I do believe there is a spirit world, because I have had dealings with it.

The reason I am here is I was drawn here by some of the interviews that Bill and Kerry conducted and found them to be extremely interesting and my application was accepted.
Now, I assume my application was accepted because of my interest in many of the ideas that are discussed here and it was felt that I could contribute a few things, but I sure have received more from the forum, and those on it, than I have contributed.

Warlock

[DNA]

When and if the truth ever becomes mainstream, I seriously doubt there will be anyone left un slackjawed, yours truly included.

Nothing wrong with folks being skeptical. You should choose your audience though when you want to discuss these things.
Who's crazier,,,,,,,,folks who refuse to accept data or the data pusher who refuses to see he and his information are not wanted.

I love my family and girlfriend, and they don't accept this stuff or want to hear about it.
And I oblige them and listen to stories about the popparazi and the spice girls. :)

[Bollinger]

they get so ridiculed. I mean there really is a lot of evidence that aliens could have been to earth before. They can be so closed minded, like not wanting to concider the truth for what it could really be.

The driver behind this "behaviour" is nothing more than simple herd mentality. Most people who dismiss an idea do so because it is the will of the majority around them. It gives people a lot of comfort and entertainment when they collectively pour scorn on something or someone that is a bit radical, not because they've gone away and did an in depth study on the subject, but because they don't wish to be isolated.

Human beings tend to "grow" together but unfortunately they also "fall" together. The best example of this irrational behaviour can be seen in the supporters of football clubs. They attend games and firmly believe their club is the best, if not now, perhaps in the future. It is irrational but that's what herd mentality dictates. It is an extremely powerful driver and affects people in all walks of life and all levels of intelligence.

The truth has nothing to do with it. Whether aliens really exist or not has nothing to do with it. They know that most people don't believe it, the mass media don't believe it, most academics don't believe it so who are you to say they exist? With that comes the ridicule. We, in turn, don't really like being isolated or ridiculed, however noble we believe the cause to be, so we often tend to keep quiet about it and hope that one day it becomes common knowledge.

The final point I wanted to make is that people are generally quite lazy when it comes to thinking too deeply about a subject and doing independent research on it. They'd rather have the media and recognised academics tell them. So if they do not hear it from a mainstream source, that somehow entitles them to assume it to be fantasy. It is the way we are. On Avalon we can freely talk about pretty much anything we like without the fear of ridicule because everyone has an open mind and comes here knowing they'll be given a fair hearing. Out there though, things are very different.

[PurpleLama]

My wife and I were first introduced over myspace, where my bio read something to the effect of:

I am an extra dimensional being currently assisting humanity on this important time. I also have a job that pays the bills.

Sooo, she knew ahead of time. She just wishes I wasn't such a lazy alien.

[PurpleLama]

Oh, and where I live in the "bible belt" one will often get witnessed, or evangelized to, and I am incredibly fond of telling those people that you can't *really* be a christian if you don't believe in ufos, for as was stated above, the bible is brimming with information that can very easily be interpreted as extraterrestrial activity.

[Guest]

Well this is sort of an interesting thread.

I have friends that believed aliens or other life forms don't exist -until they had an experience to change their minds. A lot of times for -my reply to people that don't believe that aliens exist or other life forms don't either is, I think it is very arrogant to believe that we humans are "it" also the PTB don't want us know what other events and life forms are out there and here or how vast ours and other universes really are. Religious people usually smirk at me and tell me I have a very eccentric view point -they don't comment that they think I am evil or the devil has a hold of me -because I usually point out that I have a very strong faith in our Creator.

Also -my family who drive me into the next universe at any given moment; believes that aliens exist because they have seen them, they believe in some sort other worldly spirituality, other life forms, mysticism that people are psychic they believe that the ptb are trying to destroy human life, our country and many others and are controlling everything all the while, watching the kardasians, dancing w/the stars, fox news, csi -all of the mainstream media, buying synthetic clothing, clothes made in sweat shops, they make disparaging ethnic remarks...., hate this president, love this president, love capitalism, hate the left hate the right and they think that if the world had enough money and oil everything would be ok. they think that I am some kind of kook and that it's dangerous for me to be on PA (-i'm not going anywhere any time soon) and it drives me nuts I know maybe a little bit off topic sorry.

And Warlock -I appreciate you coming out in this forum and saying what you did. And I respect you right to not believe that they exist -may not be part of your reality. I definitely agree about the spirit world -yes I have had many experiences there and quite beautiful I might add.

Well as Spock would say live long and prosper

Nora

we are all related

[KiwiElf]

Thankyou for this post AMystic3434 - it's terrific!. Here's some related "ammo" you can use against the debunkers:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32039-Where-are-all-the-Crashed-UFOs----and-their-Alien-Occupants

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

Most people, unfortunately, are idiots.

[Limor Wolf]

Most people, unfortunately, are idiots.

weren't we all? ~

[Pete]

My wife and I were first introduced over myspace, where my bio read something to the effect of:

I am an extra dimensional being currently assisting humanity on this important time. I also have a job that pays the bills.

Sooo, she knew ahead of time. She just wishes I wasn't such a lazy alien.

He He He like your style, I have noticed that since things have begun to get clearer for me the lazier I got. I think it was just the fact that my work helped things stay the same, so why work against yourself, just do what you want to do and life still continues.

I call it working towards positive change but maybe i am lazy.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Paradigm-changing information cannot be accepted unless someone is ready to change their paradigm. And to accept a new one, they have to let go of an old one. People have their identity wrapped up in their paradigm and to lose the paradigm is to be annihilated. At least that is the fear. The implications of the new paradigm also have ramifications for how one goes about living their life. People don't want to accept that.

[Carmody]

I love it when even a molecular physicist tries to mess with me. I have had them to the point where their head is about to explode, they are nearly in tears..or they want to strangle me and are seriously contemplating it. Or all of the above at the same time. I'm capable of making them understand.

However, it is irresponsible to do so, unless they have the morality and the ethics within them to understand the science of it. Otherwise it's like a loose cannon being run by 10 year olds. Very, very dangerous.

People can be given keys to doors, and begin to understand things.....but... then have their ego roll out a red carpet to the erogenous zones of their particular success fantasies.... and then.... it can become one hell of a mess.