Dr. Steven Greer (2010 - 2012)

[VajraYaya]

I was very concerned with the Project Camelot interview with Dr. Steven Greer.

I wasn't aware of Dr. Greer or his work until that interview.

I was shocked at how he was treated by Bill and Kerry and the brow beating that insued; never before had i seen Project Camelot conduct such and interview with a witness no matter how "out there" the material they were presenting was; they were allowed to tell "their" story.

I noticed a lot of change in Project Camelot after that interview much of which has lead to it's current state of affairs.

Yeah, I have a lot to say about this that I will soon post in another thread. That interview wasn't an interview, it was an ambush. Greer knew what he was walking into too, and I have to give it to him for still doing it. What that was was just Kerry's damage being triggered, her habitual victim perspective. It sure felt like Bill was along for the ride, as did most of the interviews that they conducted together. Notice how calm Greer was despite what was going on. It was screaming obvious that Kerry was triggered. Just watch her during that interview. That was not an intellectual process ruling her but very old and very deep habits. I had been hoping for a Bill and Kerry split for a long time and with that interview, i saw that it was on the way.

I don't know her but I do believe that Kerry Cassidy's intentions are good and honorable and that her heart is in the right place, but it is obvious that she has way too much damage that she is unaware of that completely clouds her, holds back her development, rules her and makes her extremely susceptible to those who can see this damage and easily take advantage of her consciousness perspective. To easily push those buttons, relying on her predictable reactions and use them and her to disseminate disinformation. So to me what she's doing at Camelot now has zero credibility with me.

Bill on the other hand is more whole, is healthier, and thus able to take on more and wider perspectives. This is evident in his choices of interviews and his responses to things. He is thoughtful, measured and more able in each moment to operate from and make choices from a wider and healthy perspective. He responds, Kerry reacts. I have much respect for Bill and find him to be very trustworthy. Kerry had been holding Bill back or a long time and am glad he is doing his own thing and charting his own course.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

That interview wasn't an interview, it was an ambush. Greer knew what he was walking into too, and I have to give it to him for still doing it

That "ambush" was actually initiated by Dr. Greer and was interrupting other activity going on. They'd been trying to get an interview with him for some time with no response and he just walked up and said "let's do this". Kerry made it clear before they began that this was not going to be a friendly interview and was he sure he wanted to do it? He consented.

If I am wrong, I hope Bill will correct me. He was there, after all.

I am a former member of CSETI and left a year before this interview after raising similar questions. It was not ok at CSETI to question anything Dr. Greer said, ever. This was not his policy, it was just the way people conducted themselves in that community. That was my experience anyway.

[Noble Hops]

Just paraphrasing from memory, but didn't Dr. Greer say in that interview that he had never seen any evidence whatsoever of malevolent legit ET's in his entire career, and therefore thought it was dangerous to make that assumption, as opposed to flat-out saying "All ET's are benevolent"?

It's been almost a year since I watched it, but I remember being sympathetic to the frustration on both sides of the interview.

[JRS]

You have to ask yourself why the ET's have waited until we have nuclear, scalar, etc weapons. Why not attack and 'harvest' us when we only had muskets, or bows and arrows, or were only able to kill each other with rocks and clubs. Apparently someone accepts that we will believe that beings capable of superluminal travel are very stupid.

[Etherios]

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Im going to have to agree with both of you on that statement.

Technology doesn't care weather you are benevolent or malevolent.

AN iPhone doesn't care whether you are benevolent or malevolent. Neither does a car. But the future of technology is not more smaller transistors on a wafer, it will be a blend of consciousness and matter, the fruit of a perception that consciousness and matter are indeed the same thing and not OTHER than each other. Scientists have yet to see this possibility but there are spiritually evolved people that can. At this level of development where consciousness has an effect on the expression, condition and operation of matter that can be seen to be arranged as technology, that condition, that blend, can only happen if higher vibrational states and perceptions exist alone, which means that the consciousness MUST be singular,meaning that there is no room for any kind of earlier, dualistic perception, fear, doubt. One has to outgrow these perceptions. Until we evolve to this level, which is very close for some people, we cannot even see this possibility or create or operate this technology.

And you know that how? I mean we have black projects for decades now you really think we have ppl with good/higher mentality flying them? Having to use your mind and being good its totally different. What you are saying negates 90% of the ppl in the UFO community atm. What Greer is explaining is his thoughts on the subject. Taking this and make it a fact is wrong.

Spiritual involvement in Technology isnt the same and benevolent involvement. Most of the info we have say ETs have higher mind factions. Telepathy/telekinesis/mind reading/empathy etc etc i dont think that means they are good or bad.

Last Vajrayaya you really think we cant use this technology? So how is the government doing all these abductions? Helicopters? You see its contradicting.

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Just paraphrasing from memory, but didn't Dr. Greer say in that interview that he had never seen any evidence whatsoever of malevolent legit ET's in his entire career, and therefore thought it was dangerous to make that assumption, as opposed to flat-out saying "All ET's are benevolent"?

It's been almost a year since I watched it, but I remember being sympathetic to the frustration on both sides of the interview.

Well he really played around with this as Kerry was pushing him. But in the end he was saying from his experience there is no malevolent ETs on Earth atm and he went further to say that you cant travel if you are malevolent didnt get in more details that that tho just said its the technology that makes like that.

[Etherios]

You have to ask yourself why the ET's have waited until we have nuclear, scalar, etc weapons. Why not attack and 'harvest' us when we only had muskets, or bows and arrows, or were only able to kill each other with rocks and clubs. Apparently someone accepts that we will believe that beings capable of superluminal travel are very stupid.

Well read some other people thoughts on this. Ill say what Alex Collier said a while ago ... There are forces out there that either want to help or to enslave/kill us but its like a standoff and no one can intervene openly cause it will bring war in the system. All the grey contact or other races that we have lately are with ETs we have signed treaties with so they are aloud here cause we let them ... then he goes to say that they are being forced out ... we will see soon enough i think.

[kooky]

I have to admire him for doing this interview. He always looks very manly aswell wearing those tight t shirts about 2 sizes too small for him lol.

[Omni]

Im going to have to agree with both of you on that statement.

Technology doesn't care weather you are benevolent or malevolent.

Precisely. With advanced mind control technology bad ETs could 'raise their consciousness' synthetically anyway. So that argument IMHO is flawed. Greer is an intelligent guy IMO. But he seems like someone who just 'knows everything' and you can't get to him with something outside of his reality. I just don't see evidence of the universe designed rigged for the good side to win. It's possible up there, but not likely IMHO.

Also a possibility is sending ships with AI to a planet, and the AI gathered material for creating engineered beings once it's there. I just don't see that theory being true(only benevolent races are interstellar). I wonder where he actually got it from...

[mojo]

Of all the good things Dr. Greer has done in the name of disclosure, it seems like we are missing the mark on the good and bad debate. Let's get disclosure first then we can determine the course of action from there.

[3optic]

Just paraphrasing from memory, but didn't Dr. Greer say in that interview that he had never seen any evidence whatsoever of malevolent legit ET's in his entire career, and therefore thought it was dangerous to make that assumption, as opposed to flat-out saying "All ET's are benevolent"?

It's been almost a year since I watched it, but I remember being sympathetic to the frustration on both sides of the interview.

I am now giving Greer's opinions some currency and am looking into them. A friend of mine says it's like saying all Parisians are rude (well when you think about it..). It's just too general a statement to make.

Consider it this way: We're familiar with the concept of Human/ Earth consciousness being at an adolescent stage. Maybe a mature consciousness is by definition not threatening. Maybe distinctions of benevolence or non are not applicable at this level and that harming other sentient beings is simply unthinkable. Is it possible? We only project from our own paradigms.

Btw love your Trout Mask Replica icon!

[Etherios]

Just paraphrasing from memory, but didn't Dr. Greer say in that interview that he had never seen any evidence whatsoever of malevolent legit ET's in his entire career, and therefore thought it was dangerous to make that assumption, as opposed to flat-out saying "All ET's are benevolent"?

It's been almost a year since I watched it, but I remember being sympathetic to the frustration on both sides of the interview.

I am now giving Greer's opinions some currency and am looking into them. A friend of mine says it's like saying all Parisians are rude (well when you think about it..). It's just too general a statement to make.

Consider it this way: We're familiar with the concept of Human/ Earth consciousness being at an adolescent stage. Maybe a mature consciousness is by definition not threatening. Maybe distinctions of benevolence or non are not applicable at this level and that harming other sentient beings is simply unthinkable. Is it possible? We only project from our own paradigms.

Btw love your Trout Mask Replica icon!

Damn i never thought of it like thanx...

Even so i am afraid that he will be used to make the false flag even more dramatic ... like "OMG the ONLY evil ETs are attacking us" or something like that ... and use some other kind of excuse for the traveling means if they even explain it how ...

Greers work makes me believe he is either always or now days a puppet or at least he is controlled from the elites so they can pass drops of info when ever they like it. Since the big conference hit he did he hasnt done anything new. He keep repeating the same things over and over. He failed to keep his promise with the Obama deadline and he fail to even give anything new to the energy problem. He is just making money from his lectures and his trainings and he doesnt bring anything to the table. Look around and try to find what has changed since 2004 or something when he started showing his info on this. We are still there...

[onawah]

Wonderful talk with Paola Harris and Dr. Steven Greer free just today 2/25 for 24 hours at
http://www.worldpuja.org
You have to login, go to the archive, click on Paola Harris' photo.
You don't have to subscribe, just opt for free membership.

[truthseekerdan]

Thank you Onawah!

Namaste ~ Dan

[Spica]

During the Camelot interview with Dr. Steven Greer, Kerry made reference to "As Above So Below." I can't remember in what context but Dr. Steven went on to say universal love will allow the human race to move forward into the galactic neighbourhood and later said, To reverse the quote made by Kerry to "As Below So Above" would be more fitting. I think this holds some weight, I'm not saying all E.T's are benevolent nobody can state that as a fact, but after reflecting on the interview i understood were he was coming from. i don't think anybody here would object to peace and love on earth in fact i see that as one of the main roads we have to go down so Dr. Stevens statements sort of dovetail with my view on the situation, I don't think raising our vibrational state would hinder our ability to defend our selfs as best we could if we had to.

[13th Warrior]

I was very concerned with the Project Camelot interview with Dr. Steven Greer.

I wasn't aware of Dr. Greer or his work until that interview.

I was shocked at how he was treated by Bill and Kerry and the brow beating that insued; never before had i seen Project Camelot conduct such and interview with a witness no matter how "out there" the material they were presenting was; they were allowed to tell "their" story.

I noticed a lot of change in Project Camelot after that interview much of which has lead to it's current state of affairs.

Yeah, I have a lot to say about this that I will soon post in another thread. That interview wasn't an interview, it was an ambush. Greer knew what he was walking into too, and I have to give it to him for still doing it. What that was was just Kerry's damage being triggered, her habitual victim perspective. It sure felt like Bill was along for the ride, as did most of the interviews that they conducted together. Notice how calm Greer was despite what was going on. It was screaming obvious that Kerry was triggered. Just watch her during that interview. That was not an intellectual process ruling her but very old and very deep habits. I had been hoping for a Bill and Kerry split for a long time and with that interview, i saw that it was on the way.

I don't know her but I do believe that Kerry Cassidy's intentions are good and honorable and that her heart is in the right place, but it is obvious that she has way too much damage that she is unaware of that completely clouds her, holds back her development, rules her and makes her extremely susceptible to those who can see this damage and easily take advantage of her consciousness perspective. To easily push those buttons, relying on her predictable reactions and use them and her to disseminate disinformation. So to me what she's doing at Camelot now has zero credibility with me.

Bill on the other hand is more whole, is healthier, and thus able to take on more and wider perspectives. This is evident in his choices of interviews and his responses to things. He is thoughtful, measured and more able in each moment to operate from and make choices from a wider and healthy perspective. He responds, Kerry reacts. I have much respect for Bill and find him to be very trustworthy. Kerry had been holding Bill back or a long time and am glad he is doing his own thing and charting his own course.

I'm not taking any sides on this issue. I believe the the whole argument was precipitated by someone from Project Camelot posting a message about Dr. Greer being irresponsible for making his statement about E.T.s
I think that his message was missunderstood and the sematics of what we believe to be "good" and "evil" are directly involved.

Kerry and Bill are different sides of the same coin; i don't give credence to one over the other...we all have our faults and short commings.

Personally, i'd like to see more impartial interviews. I don't need someone telling me what to believe; I want to hear the persons story and i'll decide for myself.

[OnyxKnight]

Well he really played around with this as Kerry was pushing him. But in the end he was saying from his experience there is no malevolent ETs on Earth atm and he went further to say that you cant travel if you are malevolent didnt get in more details that that tho just said its the technology that makes like that.

Well, if the Alpha Draconians understood the concept of humor, they would have been rolling on the floor laughing, when they would hear that statement of Mr. Greer.

I still hold some respect for his work, but I do not respect his opinion on the matter of exopsychology and alien behavior. It undermines other people's experiences with ETs that do not have the person's best intentions in mind. Quite the other matter, unfortunately, in most cases.

[crosby]

That interview wasn't an interview, it was an ambush. Greer knew what he was walking into too, and I have to give it to him for still doing it

That "ambush" was actually initiated by Dr. Greer and was interrupting other activity going on. They'd been trying to get an interview with him for some time with no response and he just walked up and said "let's do this". Kerry made it clear before they began that this was not going to be a friendly interview and was he sure he wanted to do it? He consented.

If I am wrong, I hope Bill will correct me. He was there, after all.

I am a former member of CSETI and left a year before this interview after raising similar questions. It was not ok at CSETI to question anything Dr. Greer said, ever. This was not his policy, it was just the way people conducted themselves in that community. That was my experience anyway.

Whiskey_Mistic, can you tell us anything more about your time at CSETI? I find myself in agreement with a lot of the testament of Greer, but i find it hard to believe that there are only benevolent ets out there. perhaps you have some knowledge that you could impart on us in the avalon community. i would be most grateful to hear. thanks.
warmest regards, corson

[felixq78]

The more I read about MILABs from people such as McCollum it appears that there may be an extensive program where abductions are faked.
I'd like to hear what Greer has to say about the likes of Mark Richards and his wife, they seem to take this "bad alien" idea to extremes.

[Agape]

Apologies if I interrupt your debate here ...

but allow me to explain couple of basics, you may not know where Dr Greer is coming from with his statements ..

There're a difference between the base of all Eastern religious ( and cosmological, mainly..) doctrine that talks about Beings and Space and Dimensions
and one that comes from todays Monoteistic traditions tainted by older paganism of the West. The East of course, also had ancient shamanic ( considered pagan ) believes and rites of forces of good-and-bad.
Old Persians as one of the oldest living religions are concerned...based their faith on mandala of eternal counter-balance of good and bad forces in Universe ..


But if you were born or rised in cultures strongly influenced and based on Hindu and Buddhist cosmology and doctrine , extending its hands to Taoism , Shintoism and many other forms and sub-forms of the 'enlightenment' doctrine,

you were either taught or even guided to explore by yourself ( hope both ) that ALL Beings in the Universe were created as Good and are Good in nature.

Buddhism ( and Vedic tradition etc. alike ) also has Gods , Demigods, Demons, Hells and Heavens but they are not seen as eternal, ultimate dwellings.

'Heaven' is not a place where you aspire to go...it should be 'Wisdom', 'Wisdom Worlds' , as Heaven is only one of the 6 transitory realms that are temporary ..
such as Hells and Human World and Animal World and so forth.

As a Being, an individual, you can find yourself elesewhere depending on your Intentions ( = mission, task ) and /or as a result of your actions ( Karma ) or as a direct result of Karma of the place, the nature , the system that's your temporary dwelling and so forth.

If I a place or times are being corrupted ( damage living beings ) , naturally all who exist within such World are part of the corruption. The circle of suffering..

we all wowed to empty , to enlighten, to save from darkness..


All Beings and all Civilisations in Space were created as a Sparkle of the original intent of the Creator. All were created as good.

Some civilisations had suffered ..natural cataclysms, retardation, exodus from their home systems, and that forced some of them to become travellers and seekers ..
prematurely, those seeking for help can not have all the answers.


There are accidents happening in Space that bring Beings together at uneven times .
Sometimes it means, they are not ready for each other ..

Some expect help, some offer help but the other side is not ready for what's being asked for . The relativity and rational of life is not based on empty faith,
it's most often biological needs and discrepancies, experiences of pain and the need to protect ones own kind and its unique form of intelligence .

It's not always all fitting , even with the best intents from all sides involved and the discrepancy and pain create anger , bad emotions, fear, feelings of animosity among else, many misunderstandings .


Are there un-ethical beings and abductions happening ? I believe so, know from others who in turn I can see as being honest.

But tell me one thing...What do you say about the ethics of mankind ?


Mankind is not now the best example of ethical species, are they. We have high ideals but low morals. Why again ? There's too much pain...


We eat lesser intelligent species to sustain our kind, we abduct animals and experiment on them regularly to save and protect our kind, again.
We experiment on other humans. We kill one another and kill all the cows and then you read from farmer getting mad because HIS COW was abducted by aliens and it suddenly became a matter of national importance ?

See the irony.

I'm not saying one apologizes the other ..


But if you question Dr Greer statements you need to understand where does his knowledge and faith come from..it's common roots of Life in the Universe and firm believe in manifold and good creation..


As Buddha reportedly said : It's not by Birth that you recognize Brahmin ( the Priest ) , it's by behavior you recognize Brahmin.

If we are born , come over to the world of suffering and experience suffering such as we all have to in this world,
we have to fight hard to be able to protect our ideals ..ours as others ..


Those who failed are not to be blamed for their suffered the most. I believe it's a teaching of Jesus as well.


:panda:

[sunflower]

Words of eternal wisdom, Agape.

[Dennis Jonathan]

This occurred to me the other day. Again, just a thought, but one worth sharing IMO.

What if during his many talks with top level officials over the years, Dr. Greer was introduced to a probability factoring AI that attempts to predict the future?

What if the 70% of the secret keepers that he claims are for disclosure, allowed him to view the immediate consequences?

What if there was a large amount of pain caused in the first 6 months?

What if Dr. Greer was faced with the reality that this event would not be all sunshine and lollipops, but would result in thousands of deaths? Tens of thousands?

How would he react? Would he stop pressing Obama for a response? Would he shift the focus to free energy? Would he start moving toward a consciousness movement to help prepare the world?

How would any of us respond?

Id imagine it being rather devastating to realize that the fulfillment of your life's work comes at the price of even one life, let alone many thousand.

Just a thought I had.

I believe that we are ready for disclosure, and as Richard Dolan has said," it is the ultimate paradox, impossible, yet inevitable. "

And in my scenario, the AI can be wrong, the future is not written in stone. But what if the future it can predict, can be visualized graphically by the user? Knowing that what you saw was even a possibility, what would you do?

[Mike Gorman]

Dennis, your thoughts are extremely interesting, it is quite probable that the good Dr has been privy to some
illuminating discussions with the high-level people he mixed with-and yes that initial energy the Disclosure movement had,
did morph into a different form. The great line of official 'whistle-blowers' all willing to testify to Congress seemed to diminish
into the World Puja releases, high priced 'Ambassador' training sessions for the beautiful people and Free-energy seminars.
Perhaps the whole idea of disclosure has become too fraught, and while folks such as Avalonians may be up for it, it would certainly represent
a massive paradigm shift for many.

[Jake]

A very scary ordeal, to find out what you have been working so hard to do will result in the deaths of even 1 person. What is worse, perhaps, would be if he changed his direction, only to find out that the deaths occurred anyways. Tens even hundreds of thousands of people are dying and starving. Disclosure is more than just the ET reality. The free energy and the proper education and the knowledge that is being supressed could set our entire planet free. If Greer doesn't have the stomach for the changes, then maybe he should not try so hard to fancy himself the arbiter of Contact. Greer is getting pretty wealthy from all of this. Ambassador training??? The nature of Contact will have nothing to do with Greer. The nature of contact will be personal to each of the contactees. Selling 'ambassador' training is like selling 'tickets into heaven'. It is quite absurd, imoo.

[Dennis Jonathan]

I agree. I was tracking with a lot of what he was saying until I saw the price.

$2400 for a trip that doesn't include any airfare or lodging? Seems like his idea of a global consciousness shift is pretty exclusive.

[Mr54]

Greer gives me the creeps! IMO there is something not quite right with the good doctor.

[Agape]

I agree. I was tracking with a lot of what he was saying until I saw the price.

$2400 for a trip that doesn't include any airfare or lodging? Seems like his idea of a global consciousness shift is pretty exclusive.

What a majestic trick :yo:

[crosby]

i keep thinking that there would be more deaths if some type of disclosure did not come into fruition. imagine how people would react not being told and then seeing hostile aliens landing on your farm land or hovering over your city....... i think the panic would be heavier, more profound. the word education keeps popping up in my head. i wouldn't want too see anyone die because of a choice i made, but the possibility of more dying because of sheer total panic is an even heavier price too pay. excellent topic too ponder. thank you.
warmest regards, corson

[cosmicharmony]

To answer the original question: May I say this, the good ETs have a far stronger hold on matters now.

[Etherios]

To answer the original question: May I say this, the good ETs have a far stronger hold on matters now.

care to explain more?

[Omni]

I haven't listened to it or read it yet but it takes me back to his Project Camelot interview and something that Bill and Kerry never picked up on or asked him about. The point he was trying to get across was in order to do the things they do like travel in space and go from planet to planet, your consciousness has to be raised to a certain level. You can only do that if you have good intentions. If you have bad intentions then you will never reach that level of consciousness. So? The point is if their flying around up there and doing all the things they are doing then the only way they can do it is by having their consciousness raised and have good intentions, if they were negative they wouldn't be able to do it. In other words you can't begin to do what they do if your wanting it for negative purposes.

Most of us has heard his version of reality. I personally have experiences end game mind control. Also chakras, the body, higher self, all of it controlled or supplemented synthetically. I have "been" both horrible beings and benevolent beings very temporarily in examples they showed me of what they could do. I didn't do anything based on what energy was in me it was very momentary, I know who I was conceptually, but energetically I was not myself(like a different soul is being used or something). They have made my consciousness both on masterful lightside thoughts and energy, as well as pretty putrid negative energy.

In other words what I'm saying here is I have witnessed the mind being open source. So this would throw a screw into the wheel of Greer's theory(which he presents as fact) pretty majorly to my perspective.

They could just mind control their minds to be benevolent and travel that way. Or they could program warships AI controlled and wipe out stuff that way. Unless you are willing to extend it to 'benevolent computer coding is the only coding that can travel superluminally'.

Greer has pieces of the puzzle I feel. But his entire reality is critically flawed by my experiences(to me at least).


All Beings and all Civilisations in Space were created as a Sparkle of the original intent of the Creator. All were created as good.

Don't give credence to the term "fallen angel"?

You have a pretty small pool of beings to observe and make that conclusion. It's a big assumption IMHO. I think how humans are, is a microcosm of how ETs are in the universe when it comes to good and bad(Good and bad are also to some degree subjective). Except some ETs would be on a very different genetic path possibly. I've been told some races just don't have benevolent genetics. Like for example what would evolve out of the dinosaur filled planet as interstellar if allowed? Think they would be nice after so much threat of death and eating other conscious beings alive? I'm not sure... I think the universe is much more diverse than all benevolent.

I think there is amazing diversity in the universe. It seems to me balance is the theme on the level we live on. I could be wrong though..

Edit: Oops this is a very old thread. Already posted... Sorry :x

[ulli]

Dr. Stephen Greer was born a Jew and converted to the Baha'i Faith. I read somewhere how he commented that he did it because the Baha'is believe in ET...one of the reasons I also joined initially.
This is in Wikipedia under Baha'i faith and science:
Thou hast, moreover, asked Me concerning the nature of the celestial spheres. To comprehend their nature, it would be necessary to inquire into the meaning of the allusions that have been made in the Books of old to the celestial spheres and the heavens, and to discover the character of their relationship to this physical world, and the influence which they exert upon it. Every heart is filled with wonder at so bewildering a theme, and every mind is perplexed by its mystery. God, alone, can fathom its import. The learned men, [divines] that have fixed at several thousand years the life of this earth, have failed, throughout the long period of their observation, to consider either the number or the age of the other planets. Consider, moreover, the manifold divergencies that have resulted from the theories propounded by these men. Know thou that every fixed star hath its own planets, and every planet its own creatures, whose number no man can compute.[

[ulli]

Having been a Baha'i myself and read pretty much all of the scriptures
I would like to mention that they have prophesies which predict a golden age,
same as do most other religions, but that the entire world will first become oppressed
by a global materialistic government.

However, soon afterwards a major event will change everything and then
the "banner of independence will be planted on the highest peaks".
To me this seems to be in a way a logical chain of events
as the materialistic leaders will set up global consciousness first,
through arts, culture, and also they will contribute the necessary logistics
which one day will benefit the next generation. Not everyone wakes up at the same time,
and for some the preparation is outside of the spiritual paradigm.

Disclosure is inevitable as we will one day join the larger galactic community
and for that will need a global consciousness, a collective identity as humankind from planet Earth, or Gaia.
There is just no way around it.
Of course plans of deliberate population reduction are unacceptable and should be thwarted.

I'm sure Dr. Greer has his flaws like everyone else, but he is NOT a traitor to the UFO community,
he is doing whatever he feels is best as a sovereign being....
and he knows many white hats in high places.
Had he remained in his job as an ER physician he would have earned a lot more money
than his current projects are bringing in, I'm sure.

[cosmicharmony]

To me Greer is a pawn mixed in the events that are ET related and when "he walks home" at the end of the day - he trys to put it all together, trys to understand WTF just happened!

Hes definatley guided in this by a powerful force, grouping together witnesses etc who wish to speak of their encounters.

I hold a belief of truth in his words for the friendly ETs he describes do not invade our privacy. They seem to work in the background only wanting our best.

The main focus of UFO contact invloves abuse and fear.

Greers connection to the UFO arena offers hope for it crushes the old way where such things where kept hidden. He points to a vast realm out there that is not focused on abuctors and abuse. He offers a new opening where we see a presence that awaits our perception individualy.

Through people like him kept energies are released in those who saw/witnessed - it changes the game, it allows awareness, it opens doors, the manipulator or bad ET can no longer hide - it is now vunerable. If human mind says no for itself with awareness of these intrusive ETs then so they flee from you. But then they come again....

Once you clear away the bad guys you must invite the goodies :) into your life. (dont call out to them, just associate them with you life)

Sorry for drifting here, but thats how i did it!

No small bobble heads in my bedroom at night any more!

[161803398]

I know NOTHING but....I wear a device on my arm that promotes good health though vibrations. I'm advised by the inventor that he made the same device for a doctor who wasn't a nice person to put it mildly. The device stopped working in three days. My friend fixed it, gave it back to him and again it stopped working. So if you are talking about people working with energies to travel here it may well be that they can't unless they are good people. Having said that...there is the expression...the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[161803398]

and we are and have been oppressed by a global materialistic government for some time. Its not official but its there.

[andrewgreen]

Its all about evolution and if they help us directly we haven't evolved so our existence becomes pointless. Were not here to be just be given paradise or we would never have left where we came from. I do think realisation of ET's in some form will be part of the masses evolving past monolithic religions though.

[Omni]

If ETs could share their healing methods with us, it would save thousands of people a day. Even if a million people died from disclosure, it would save millions more most likely. From that viewpoint disclosure is better IMHO.

It's the systems of control that are threatened by disclosure and stop it from happening IMHO.

[Etherios]

If ETs could share their healing methods with us, it would save thousands of people a day. Even if a million people died from disclosure, it would save millions more most likely. From that viewpoint disclosure is better IMHO.

It's the systems of control that are threatened by disclosure and stop it from happening IMHO.

Excatly ... its like free energy and the loos of jobs the oil plunder will create... but it will save billions of ppl ... we have to worry about some millions that will loose their way of life?

Its as you said the control will be lost ... ONLY that nothing else. Like the US now is atking Libya to stop gadafi from killing a few thousands (they say) and we bomb a hole country to the stone age killing ... how many? (iraq was a million dead so far)

[Dennis Jonathan]

I'm not in disagreement with you , but imagine for a moment the scenario I suggested.

Imagine seeing yourself announce the truth. And then imagine seeing a thousand elderly suffer heart failure, a thousand suicides, millions gunned down globally as they march in revolt.

I'm not making a case for or against disclosure, but imagine being the voice that started that chain of events. Would you do it if you knew that would occur? Could you?

I'm not sure I could.

[Etherios]

I'm not in disagreement with you , but imagine for a moment the scenario I suggested.

Imagine seeing yourself announce the truth. And then imagine seeing a thousand elderly suffer heart failure, a thousand suicides, millions gunned down globally as they march in revolt.

I'm not making a case for or against disclosure, but imagine being the voice that started that chain of events. Would you do it if you knew that would occur? Could you?

I'm not sure I could.

Well imagine the voice that started the irq war... the libya war. If it will hurt your personally we can let the politicians anounce this ... they can handle it right? they have been killing millions over the years whats a few more? I agree with you that there will be casualties but the benefit is so huge that ...

In the end those that are in control now have the most to loose. Not to say all the riots you talk about will be against those that oppress and kill us for ages not against the ET issue.

[The One]

And what we need to help the process is for these people to stand down and to have a lot less government departments and then maybe disclosure would be a lot easier

Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) includes George Bush, Bill Clinton, all modern CIA Directors, most modern Joint Chiefs of Staff, most modern Cabinet and top Executive Branch appointed officeholders, etc.

Tri lateral Commission David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, John D. Rockefeller, Alan Greenspan, Zbignew Brzezinski, Anthony Lake, John Glenn, David Packard, David Gergen, Diane Feinstein, Jimmy Carter, Adm. William Crowe, etc.

The Bilderberg Group Prince Hans-Adam of Liechtenstein, Prince Bernhard of Netherlands, Bill Clinton, Lloyd Bentsen, etc.

National Security Council (NCS), the military and intelligence policy-making and control group for national and international security, which reports directly to the President, its secret 5412 Committee (which directs black [covert] operations), and its PI-40 Subcommittee (aka MJ-12: which exercises policy direction and control of the UFO Cover-Up).


Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS)'s Special Operations compartment, the operations directorate which implements the orders of the NSC's 5412 Committee, utilizing the U.S. Special Forces Command.
National Program Office (NPO), which operates the Continuity of Government Project (COG), an ongoing secret project to maintain command, control, communication and intelligence executive centers during an extreme National Emergency by operating clandestine, secure, underground cities staffed by surrogates for above ground national leaders.

Federal Emergency Management Agency FEMA's black projects compartment, which operates federal preventive-detention camps [often located on military bases or Federal Bureau of Land Management lands], secure underground shelters for the elite during cataclysms, etc.

INTELLIGENCE BRANCH
National Security Agency (NSA), monitors and screens all telephone, telegraph, computer modem, radio, television, cellular, microwave, and satellite communications, and electromagnetic fields "of interest" around the world, and orchestrates information-control and cover-up activities related to UFO secrecy and surveillance of extra-terrestrial operations, Fort Meade, MD.

National Reconnaissance Office (NRO), controls and collects information from global spy satellites, monitors UFO traffic entering and leaving Earth's atmosphere, coordinates firing of energy beam weapons from orbiting Star Wars satellites at selected human ground and airborne targets and selectively at extra-terrestrial craft, Pentagon basement and Dulles Airport area, VA.
National Reconnaissance Organization (NRO) (aka MJ-TF), the military/intelligence operations arm of the PI-40 Subcommittee, conducts surveillance, interdiction, capture and confiscation of UFOs and their extra-terrestrial occupants for intelligence and "International Security" purposes; surveilles and "interacts" with close encounter experiencers, including occasional physically and sexually assaultive mind control kidnappings disguised as "Alien abductions" for psychological warfare and dis-informational purposes, headquarters unknown, probably compartmented and dispersed among various elite Delta Force Special Operations units, such as the USAF Blue Light at Hurlburt Field, Mary Esther, FL and Beale Air Force Base, Marysville, CA.

Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), commands, often controls, and sometimes coordinates, the gathering of secret overseas information gathered by spies (HUMINT), electronic surveillance (SIGINT), and other means; carries out covert unconstitutional paramilitary counterinsurgency operations and preemptive political pacification projects in violation of international law, as well as counter-intelligence sting operations against foreign agents; engages in domestic surveillance, and manipulation of the U.S. political process, "in the National interest" in direct violation of its congressional charter; operates proprietary "false front" companies for profit; conducts a major share of international trans-shipment of illegal drugs, using National Security cover and immunity; and cooperates with NSA's UFO cover-up operations, Langley, VA, and worldwide branches.

Federal Bureau of Investigation,Counter Intelligence Division The branch which investigates, surveilles and neutralizes foreign Intelligence agents operating within the U.S., and cooperates with the National Reconnaissance Organization in the surveillance of those involved in close encounters with UFOs and extra-terrestrials.

Department of Energy Intelligence (DOE-INTEL), which conducts internal security checks and external security threat countermeasures, often through its contract civilian instrumentality, the Wackenhut Corporation.

NSA's Central Security Service and CIA's Special Security Office Which respectively spy on the spies, and conduct special operations which cannot be entrusted to line intelligence officers, Ft. Meade, MD and Langley, VA.

U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM) whose assignments include psychological and psychotronic warfare (PSYOPS), para-psychological intelligence (PSYINT), and electromagnetic intelligence (ELMINT), Ft. Meade, MD.

U.S. Navy Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI), which gathers intelligence affecting naval operations, and has a compartmented unit involved in UFO and USO [Unidentified Submerged Objects] information gathering.

U.S. Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI), which gathers intelligence affecting aerospace operations, and has a compartmented unit involved in investigating UFO sightings, extra-terrestrial contact reports, as well as IAC [Identified Alien Craft] surveillance, and coordination with NRO interdiction operations, Bolling Air Force Base, MD.

Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), which coordinates the intelligence data gathered from the various Armed Services intelligence branches (Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, Coast Guard and Special Forces), and provides counter-threat measures, (which include providing security at ultra-classified installations by the deployment of U.S. "Thought Police", who conduct surveillance, by remote viewing and other para-psychological measures, against penetrations and scanning by foreign or civilian remote viewers [clairvoyants/out-of-body seers], Pentagon, VA, Fort Meade, MD, and the entire astral plane.

NASA Intelligence Which gathers intelligence data relating to space flights, sabotage threats, astronaut and reconnaissance satellite encounters with UFOs and ETs, and coordinates the transfer of alien technology to U.S. and allies' aerospace operations.

Air Force Special Security Service Which is an NSA/USAF joint intelligence operations unit dealing with possible threats to aerospace operations from foreign powers, terrestrial or otherwise.
Defense Industry Security Command (DISCO), which conducts intelligence operations within and on behalf of the civilian defense contractor corporations engaged in classified research, development, and production.

Defense Investigative Service (DIS), which conducts investigations into people and situations deemed a possible threat to any operation of the Department of Defense.
Naval Investigative Service (NIS), which conducts investigations against threats to Naval operations.

Air Force Electronic Security Command Which conducts surveillance and interdiction of threats to the security of Air Force electronic transmissions and telemetry, and to the integrity of electronic countermeasure (ECM) warfare equipment.
Drug Enforcement Agency

(DEA) Intelligence Which conducts surveillance and interdiction of drug smuggling operations, unless exempted under "National Security" waivers.
Federal Police Agency Intelligence Which coordinates intelligence relating to threats against federal property and personnel.

Defense Electronic Security Command Which coordinates intelligence surveillance and countermeasures against threats to the integrity of military electronic equipment and electronic battlefield operations), Fort Worth, TX. Project Deep Water The ongoing effects of the compromised personnel, sources and methods resulting from the secret importation of Hitler's own Nazi Intelligence chief, Gen. Reinhard Gehlen, to redesign the US's Intelligence apparatus.
Project Paperclip The ongoing results of the secret importation of Nazi weapons and aerospace/UFO scientists into U.S. secret military research and development bases.

WAR DEPARTMENT CIA's Directorate for Science and Technology Which gathers information with promise for scientific and technological developments which present a superiority advantage for, or a threat against, the National Security, [also contains the "Weird Desk", which centrally processes intelligence about UFOs and ETs and their interaction with Earth], current Deputy Director of Central Intelligence for Science and Technology is Ron Pandolfi.

Strategic Defense Initiative Office (SDIO) Ballistic Missile Defense Org.(BMDO)
Which coordinates research, development and deployment of Star Wars electromagnetic pulse, killer laser, particle beam, plasmoid, and other advanced technology aerospace weapons.
Department of Energy (DOE) which, besides its cover story of researching cleaner-burning coal and gasoline and more solar power, is principally involved in research and development of: more specialized nuclear weapons; compact, self-sustaining, fusion powered, particle and wave weapons, including electromagnetic pulse, gravitational/anti-gravitational, laser, particle beam and plasmoid applied weapons research; high energy invisibility "cloaking" technology, etc.
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories Sandia National Laboratories-West (SNL-W)
Which are involved in nuclear warhead "refinements", development of new transuranic elements for weapons and energy applications, development of anti-matter weapons (the Teller Bomb: 10,000 times the force of a hydrogen bomb), laser/maser technology applications, and, reportedly, successful teleportation experiments, among other projects, at this Russian nicknamed "City of Death"), Livermore, CA.

Idaho National Engineering Laboratories (INEL), which houses numerous underground facilities in an immense desert installations complex larger than Rhode Island, has security provided by its own secret Navy Base, is involved in nuclear, high energy electromagnetic, and other research, and includes Argonne National Laboratory, West), Arco, ID
Sandia National Laboratories (SNL)

Phillips Air Force Laboratory Which are sequestered on Kirtland Air Force Base/Sandia Military Reservation, and conduct the translation of theoretical and experimental nuclear and Star Wars weapons research done at Los Alamos and Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories into practical, working weapons), Albuquerque, NM.

Tonopah Test Range SNL's DOE weapons testing facility for operationally testing Star Wars weapons in realistic target situations, and is adjacent to classified stealth and cloaked aerospace craft and United States-UFO bases at the Groom Lake [USAF/DOE/CIA] Base [Area 51] and Papoose Lake Base [S-4]), Nevada Test Site/Nellis AFB Range, Tonopah, NV.
Haystack (Buttes) USAF Laboratory,

Edwards AFB, CA A 30 levels deep, extreme security facility reportedly engaged in alien technology retro-engineering.
Los Alamos National Laboratories The premiere research lab for nuclear, subatomic particle, high magnetic field, exometallurgical, exobiological and other exotic technologies research, Los Alamos County, NM.

Area 51/Groom Lake (USAF/DOE/CIA) Base) and S-4 (Papoose Lake Base) Ultra-secure "non-existent" deployment bases where extremely classified aerospace vehicles are tested and operationally flown, including the Aurora hypersonic spyplane, the Black Manta [TR-3A] stealth fighter follow-on to the F-117A, the Pumpkinseed hyper-speed unmanned aerospace reconnaissance vehicle, and several variants of anti-gravitational craft (U.S.-UFOs).

U.S. Special Forces Command Hurlburt Field, Mary Esther, Fl, along with its Western U.S. Headquarters, Special Forces Command, Beale AFB, Marysville, CA, coordinating:
U.S. Army Delta Forces (Green Berets) U.S. Navy SEALs (Black Berets), Coronado, CA.
USAF Blue Light (Red Berets) Strike Force

Defense Advanced Research
Projects Agency (DARPA), which coordinates the application of latest scientific findings to the development of new generations of weapons.

The Jason Group Elite weapons application scientists, developing cutting-edge science weapons for DARPA, and operating under the cover of the Mitre Corporation.

Aquarius Group UFO technology application scientists, reportedly working under the guidance of the Dolphin Society, an elite group of scientists privy to extremely classified science and technology findings.

Defense Science Board Which serves as the Defense Department's intermediary between weapons needs and the physical sciences.

Defense Nuclear Agency Currently concentrating on fusion powered, high energy particle beam, X-ray laser, and EM forcefield weapons development and deployment.

U.S. Space Command Space War Headquarters for operating "the next war, which will be fought and won in space", Falcon AFB, CO.

North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), operating the nuclear survivable space surveillance and war command center deep inside Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado Springs, CO.
Air Force Office of Space Systems Which coordinates the development of future technology for operating and fighting in space.

National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), which operates covert space defense, ET research, and space weapons compartments, in addition to manned Shuttle and unmanned scientific satellite launches.

NASA's Ames Research Center Which conducts the SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) Project, Exobiology (alien life forms) Division, and "Human Factors" (PSY-Warfare) Division), Sunnyvale, CA.

Project Cold Empire SDI weapons research - Classified Project Snowbird Pseudo-UFO's used as misinformation. Project Aquarius UFO research - Classified Project MILSTAR Development and deployment of WW III [space war] command, control, communication and intelligence satellites.
Project Tacit Rainbow Stealth drones/pseudo-UFO's. Project Timberwind Nuclear powered space vehicles. Project Code EVA Space walk based technology. Project Cobra Mist SDI energy -beam (plasmoid?) weapon research. Project Cold Witness SDI weapons - Classified

WEAPONS INDUSTRY BRANCH
Stanford Research Institute, Inc. An Intelligence contractor involved in psychotronic, para-psychological and PSY-WAR research.

AT&T Sandia Labs, Bell Labs, etc. Star Wars weapons research and NSA telephone/satellite communications interception facilitation.

RAND Corporation CIA-front involved in Intelligence projects, weapons development, and underground bases development.

Edgerton, Germhausen & Greer
Corporation NSA/DOE contractor involved in Star Wars weapons development, fusion applications, and security for Area 51 and nuclear installations, etc.

Wackenhut Corporation (NSA/CIA/DOE cut-out contractor) involved in contract security operations for Top Secret Ultra and Black Budget surface and underground military reservations, such as Area S-4 (U.S. UFO base), NV and Sandia National Labs, (Star Wars weapons base), NM), and, reportedly, "dirty jobs" for CIA and Defense Intelligence agencies.

Bechtel Corporation CIA's main contractor for covert projects and experimental underground bases.

United Nuclear Corporation Military nuclear applications.

Walsh Construction Company Seems to undertake CIA projects contracts.

Aerojet (Genstar Corp.) Makes DSP-1 Star Wars battle satellites for the NRO.

Reynolds Electronics Engineering Seems to undertake CIA and DoD projects.

Lear Aircraft Company Black budget technology.

Northrop Corporation Makes U.S. anti-gravity craft, back-engineered from alien technology, near Lancaster, CA.

Hughes Aircraft Classified projects compartment.

Lockheed-Martin Corporation Black Budget aerospace projects.

McDonnell-Douglas Corporation Black Budget aerospace projects.

BDM Corporation CIA contractor, involved in UFO back-engineering and psychotronic projects, etc.

General Electric Corporation Electronic warfare and weapons systems.
PSI-TECH Corporation Involved in military/Intelligence applications of research into psychotronics, parapsychology, remote viewing, and contacting extra-terrestrial consciousness.
Science Applications International Corp. (SAIC) - "black projects" contractor, reportedly including psychic warfare.

FINANCIAL DEPARTMENT
Federal Reserve System Cartel of private banks overseen by elite super-wealthy financiers, such as the Rockefellers, Mellons, DuPonts, Rothschilds, etc., which dictates to the Government the flow of money, worth of money, and the interests rates. CIA self-financing The operation and/or control of much of the international drug trade in heroin, cocaine and marijuana, as well as "front" business enterprises, as a source of cash for off-the-books covert operations, and the purchase of exotic munitions and strategic bribe funds.

Department of Justice self-financing the use of confiscated money and valuables from "targets of investigation" to finance "special projects". Special Forces self-financing The self-use of confiscated money from covert military operations to fund other clandestine operations.

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Personally i would be more worried about the powers that FEMA have


Some people have referred to it as the "secret government" of the United States. It is not an elected body; it does not involve itself in public disclosures; and it even has a quasi-secret budget in the billions of dollars.

This government organization has more power than the President of the United States or the Congress. It has the power to suspend laws, move entire populations, arrest and detain citizens without a warrant and hold them without trial. It can seize property, food supplies, transportation systems, and can suspend the Constitution. Not only is it the most powerful entity in the United States, but it was not even created under Constitutional law by the Congress. It was a product of a Presidential Executive Order.

No, it is not the U.S. military nor the Central Intelligence Agency; they are subject to Congress. The organization is called FEMA, which stands for the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Originally conceived in the Richard Nixon Administration, it was refined by President Jimmy Carter and given teeth in the Ronald Reagan and George Bush Administrations.

FEMA had one original concept when it was created—to assure the survivability of the United States government in the event of a nuclear attack on this nation. It was also provided with the task of being a federal coordinating body during times of domestic disasters, such as earthquakes, floods and hurricanes.

Its awesome powers grew under the tutelage of people like Lt. Col. Oliver North and General Richard Secord, the architects on the Iran-Contra scandal and the looting of America’s savings and loan institutions. FEMA has even been given control of the State Defense Forces, a rag-tag, often considered neo-Nazi, civilian army that will substitute for the National Guard, if the Guard is called to duty overseas.

The most powerful organization in the United States

Though it may be the most powerful organization in the United States, many people don’t know it even exists. But it has crept into our private lives. Even mortgage papers contain FEMA’s name in small print if the property in question is near a flood plain. FEMA was deeply involved in the Los Angeles riots and the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake in the San Francisco Bay Area. Some of the black helicopter traffic reported throughout the United States, but mainly in the West, California, Washington, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and Colorado, are flown by FEMA personnel.

FEMA has been given responsibility for many new disasters including urban forest fires, home heating emergencies, refugee situations, urban riots, and emergency planning for nuclear and toxic incidents. In the West, it works in conjunction with the Sixth Army.

FEMA was created in a series of Executive Orders. A Presidential Executive Order, whether Constitutional or not, becomes law simply by its publication in the Federal Registry. Congress is bypassed.

Executive Order Number 12148 created the Federal Emergency Management Agency that is to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense planning and funding. An "emergency czar" was appointed.

FEMA has only spent about 6 percent of its budget on national emergencies, the bulk of their funding has been used for the construction of secret underground facilities to assure continuity of government in case of a major emergency—foreign or domestic.

Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and grant the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA’s Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA’s role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis."

FEMA’s powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate: The National Security Act of 1947, which allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities; the 1950 Defense Production Act, which gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy; the Act of August 29, 1916, which authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency; and the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national.

These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979. Hurricane Andrew focused attention on FEMA. FEMA’s deceptive role really did not come to light with much of the public until Hurricane Andrew smashed into the U.S. mainland. What came out of the critical look was that FEMA was spending 12 times more for "black operations" than for disaster relief. It spent $1.3 billion building secret bunkers throughout the United States in anticipation of government disruption by foreign or domestic upheaval. Yet fewer than 20 members of Congress, only members with top security clearance, know of the $1.3 billion expenditure by FEMA for non-natural disaster situations. These few Congressional leaders state that FEMA has a "black curtain" around its operations.

FEMA has developed 300 sophisticated mobile units that are capable of sustaining themselves for a month. The vehicles are located in five areas of the United States. They have tremendous communication systems and each contains a generator that would provide power to 120 homes each, but have never been used for disaster relief.

FEMA’s enormous powers can be triggered easily. In any form of domestic or foreign problem, perceived and not always actual, emergency powers can be enacted. The President of the United States now has broader powers to declare Martial Law, which activities FEMA’s extraordinary powers.

Martial law can be declared during time of increased tension overseas, economic problems within the United States, such as a depression, civil unrest, such as demonstrations or scenes like the Los Angeles riots, and in a drug crisis. These Presidential powers have increased with successive Crime Bills, particularly the 1991 and 1993 Crime Bills, which increase the power to suspend the rights guaranteed under the Constitution and to seize property of those suspected of being drug dealers, to individuals who participate in a public protest or demonstration.

Under emergency plans already in existence, the power exists to suspend the Constitution and turn over the reigns of government to FEMA and appointing military commanders to run state and local governments. FEMA then would have the right to order the detention of anyone whom there is reasonable ground to believe will engage in, or probably conspire with others to engage in acts of espionage or sabotage. The plan also authorized the establishment of concentration camps for detaining the accused, but no trial.

Three times since 1984, FEMA stood on the threshold of taking control of the nation. Once under President Reagan in 1984, and twice under President Bush in 1990 and 1992. But under those three scenarios, there was not a sufficient crisis to warrant risking Martial Law. Most experts on the subject of FEMA and Martial Law insisted that a crisis has to appear dangerous enough for the people of the United States before they would tolerate or accept complete government takeover.

The typical crisis needed would be threat of imminent nuclear war, rioting in several U.S. cites simultaneously, a series of national disasters that affect widespread danger to the populous, massive terrorist attacks, a depression in which tens of millions are unemployed and without financial resources, or a major environmental disaster.

Three times FEMA has stood by ready for emergency In April 1984, President Reagan signed Presidential Directive Number 54 that allowed FEMA to engage in a secret national "readiness exercise" under the code name of REX 84. The exercise was to test FEMA’s readiness to assume military authority in the event of a "State of Domestic National Emergency" concurrent with the launching of a direct United States military operation in Central America.

The plan called for the deputation of U.S. military and National Guard units so that they could take into custody an estimated 400,000 undocumented Central American immigrants in the United States who would be interned at 10 detention centers set up at military bases throughout the country.

The plan called for the suspension of the Constitution, turning control of the government over to FEMA, appointment of military commanders to run state and local governments and the declaration of Martial Law.

The plan also advocated the rounding up and transfer to "assembly centers or relocation camps" of a least 21 million American Blacks in the event of massive rioting or disorder, not unlike the rounding up of the Jews in Nazi Germany in the 1930s.

The second known time that FEMA stood by was in 1990 when Desert Storm was enacted. Prior to President Bush’s invasion of Iraq, FEMA began to draft new legislation to set up operations within any state or locality without the prior permission of local or state authorities. Much of the mechanism being set into place was in anticipation of the economic collapse of the Western World.

The third scenario for FEMA came with the Los Angeles riots after the Rodney King brutality verdict. Had the rioting spread to other cities, FEMA would have been empowered to step in. As it was, major rioting only occurred in the Los Angeles area.

The crux of the problem is that FEMA has the power to turn the United States into a police state in time of a real crisis or a manufactured crisis. Intelligence reports indicate that FEMA has a folder with 22 Executive Orders for the President to sign in case of an emergency. The crisis, as the government now sees it, is civil unrest.

For generations, the government was concerned with nuclear war, but the violent and disruptive demonstrations that surrounded the Vietnam War era prompted President Nixon to change the direction of emergency powers from war time to times of domestic unrest.

Diana Reynolds, program director of the Edward R. Murrow Center, summed up the danger of FEMA today and the public reaction to Martial Law in a drug crisis:

"It was James Madison’s worst nightmare that a righteous faction would someday be strong enough to sweep away the Constitutional restraints designed by the framers to prevent the tyranny of centralized power, excessive privilege, an arbitrary governmental authority over the individual. These restraints, the balancing and checking of powers among branches and layers of government, and the civil guarantees, would be the first casualties in a drug-induced national security state with Reagan’s Civil Emergency Preparedness unleashed. Nevertheless, there would be those who would welcome NSC (National Security Council) into the drug fray, believing that increasing state police powers to emergency levels is the only way left to fight American’s enemy within. In the short run, a national security state would probably be a relief to those whose personal security and quality of life has been diminished by drugs or drug related crime. And, as the general public watches the progression of institutional chaos and social decay, they too may be willing to pay the ultimate price, one drug free America for 200 years of democracy (sic)."

The first targets in any FEMA emergency would be Hispanics and Blacks; the FEMA orders call for them to be rounded up and detained. Tax protesters, demonstrators against government military intervention outside U.S. borders, and people who maintain weapons in their homes are also targets.

Operation Trojan Horse is a program designed to learn the identity of potential opponents to Martial Law. The program lures potential protesters into public forums, conducted by a "hero" of the people who advocates survival training. The list of names gathered at such meetings and rallies are computerized and then targeted in case of an emergency.

The most shining example of America to the world has been its peaceful transition of government from one administration to another. Despite crises of great magnitude, the United States has maintained its freedom and liberty. This nation now stands on the threshold of rule by non-elected people asserting non-Constitutional powers. Even Congress cannot review a Martial Law action until six months after it has been declared.

For the first time in American history, the reigns of government would not be transferred from one elected element to another, but the Constitution, itself, can be suspended.

The scenarios established to trigger FEMA into action are generally found in the society today, economic collapse, civil unrest, drug problems, terrorist attacks, and protests against American intervention in a foreign country.

All these premises exist; it could only be a matter of time in which one of these triggers the entire emergency necessary to bring FEMA into action, and then it may be too late, because under the FEMA plan, there is no contingency by which Constitutional power is restored.

Copyright FreeAmerica and Harry V. Martin, 1995.

Clinton's Executive Order 12919 (The Idaho Observer, May, 1997) gives the president the power to declare an emergency which instantly gives FEMA the authority to take control of the things listed in this article. EO 12919 is just one more clue that should tell Americans what "our" federal government has in store for all of us.—The Idaho Observer, website:

Here are a few EXECUTIVE ORDERS associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a presidential pen:

#10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

#10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

#10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals, public and private.

#10998 allows the government to take over all food supplies and resources, public and private, including farms and equipment.

#11000 allows the government to mobilize American civilians into work brigades under government supervision; allows the government to split up families if they believe it necessary.

#11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions and facilities, both public and private.

#11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons: men, women and children, for government service.

# 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

#11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned as "unsafe", and establish new locations for populations.

#11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and storage facilities, public and private.

#11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all EOs into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

#11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in EOs, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

#11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative EOs issued over a fifteen year period.

# 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that WHEN A STATE OF EMERGENCY IS DECLARED BY THE PRESIDENT, CONGRESS CANNOT REVIEW THE ACTION FOR SIX MONTHS.



http://dmc.members.sonic.net/sentinel/gvcon6.html

[Dennis Jonathan]

Agreed. Thanks for posting that article. Very informative.

Instead of getting on a soap box, stating all of the long term benefits, I'm asking if anyone could say:

"Yes, knowing that my actions would be directly responsible for millions of deaths, rioting, and a national military state under FEMA, I would be the person who officially publicly discloses everything. I can live with that, it's that important. "

It is my opinion, in agreement with the last post, that many of these controls need to be dismantled first.

[Arrowwind]

Greer gives me the creeps! IMO there is something not quite right with the good doctor.

He gave me the creeps from a few things he said a while back
Dont remember exactly what it was
but it was enough to turn me the other way
Has he been co-opted?
I don't know.
Has prestige gone to his head?
I don't know.
But these days
I do not trust him.

[Arrowwind]

Agreed. Thanks for posting that article. Very informative.

Instead of getting on a soap box, stating all of the long term benefits, I'm asking if anyone could say:

"Yes, knowing that my actions would be directly responsible for millions of deaths, rioting, and a national military state under FEMA, I would be the person who officially publicly discloses everything. I can live with that, it's that important. "

It is my opinion, in agreement with the last post, that many of these controls need to be dismantled first.

I dont know if I could say it.. I think I would have to recieve direct permission from GOD first!

But I do know that millions of people die every year from pollution, starvation, military action, the oceans are filling with toxins and radiation, the medical industry is corrupted by the pharmaceutical industry, and they are endeavoring to genetically damage us through vaccination, corrupted foods and crops, chemtrails, and the advancement of the nuclear industry, mind control advances through the media, and our children of the middle class are no longer getting any kind of meaningful education.

In light of the above considerations... such a decision might be easier.

[Lion Monkey]

Agreed. Thanks for posting that article. Very informative.

Instead of getting on a soap box, stating all of the long term benefits, I'm asking if anyone could say:

"Yes, knowing that my actions would be directly responsible for millions of deaths, rioting, and a national military state under FEMA, I would be the person who officially publicly discloses everything. I can live with that, it's that important. "

It is my opinion, in agreement with the last post, that many of these controls need to be dismantled first.

I dont know if I could say it.. I think I would have to recieve direct permission from GOD first!

But I do know that millions of people die every year from pollution, starvation, military action, the oceans are filling with toxins and radiation, the medical industry is corrupted by the pharmaceutical industry, and they are endeavoring to genetically damage us through vaccination, corrupted foods and crops, chemtrails, and the advancement of the nuclear industry, mind control advances through the media, and our children of the middle class are no longer getting any kind of meaningful education.

In light of the above considerations... such a decision might be easier.


The truth will set you free.

I would always rather have painful truths than comfortable lies.

The light of truth may burn, but in the shadows of lies dark and evil things grow and take root.

[Arrowwind]

[The truth will set you free.

I would always rather have painful truths than comfortable lies.

The light of truth may burn, but in the shadows of lies dark and evil things grow and take root.

Could you be the voice of GOD today?

thank you for bringing further insight
and hopefully helping us to find the core of truth

[wynderer]

please remember that 'disclosure' means , not just disclosure of the many many many ETs [ Life forms not of Earth origin, most of whom i think are either benevolent or disinterested in planet Earth & her humans] -- but also full 'disclosure' would mean the outing of the ETs here on Earth who work w/the gov't/military of various countries to abduct Humans, mutilate Animals, & mind control all of us

[Dennis Jonathan]

It really is a thought provoking question, one I myself cannot answer.

I tend to agree with Arrow. I would need some divine confirmation that my decision was not based upon my ego.

I posed a challenge in the Bob Dean Video thread that I'll restate here.

Search your heart. Is your desire for disclosure an attempt to validate, vindicate, justify, or satisfy your own beliefs/curiosity?

I'm still meditating on this.

If the answer is "yes" to any of those reasons, then disclosure is a crime if it causes even one scraped knee.

We cannot right a century of wrongs through self serving motivations.

IMHO of course :)

[jsb_swampfox]

How many lives have been lost or damaged because we have been duped by the PTB?.....IMO, disclosure of the "type" everyone seems to be looking for will never happen in this current state....unless are cosmic brothers and sisters decide to disclose themselves to the masses. I definately think we are at critical mass, as far as disclosure goes. I dont think we are going to have a wave of new whistle blowers come out and reinforce everything that most of us on this forum has already heard from all the current known whistleblowers.... but who knows...I am kinda leaning toward the hope that the ET's take this to the next level.....i think people can handle the truth...with our help...that's my hope anyway

[mojo]

This presentation was done back in 2007 and in 2011 I wonder are we any closer to having free energy devices that could save us and the world? Releasing just a few of the hidden technologies would solve our national debt and much more. I still believe the only way to do this, since Dr. Greer doesnt seem to be any closer with disclosure is through whistleblowers and amnesty for those that have taken oaths of silence. I appreciate all the effort that both Project Camelot and Project Avalon bring to us in this area.

kSNPH8oi9Ms

[Ria]

My understanding is that there are a number of people who wont to get projects of the ground
There could be hold ups behind the sean
I have friend waiting for the cash to get going[he's been promised the cash]

[Rocky_Shorz]

DOE is funding non fuel energy projects as we speak, Obama released much that had been buried by oilmen...

Clean energy is no longer science fiction...

[The One]

This guy Dr. Steven Greer does presentations and workshops all around the world i actually received an email from him regarding disclosure back in 2006 after i asked him a question and he told me then it would be very soon,some people beleive him some people dont i am on the fence

I dont think our governments will ever use free energy unless they are forced to. The big oil gas,electric corporations would never agree to it they make to much money and are probably tptb ,i also beleive they have had these devices since the 50's probably sooner.

[Joshua]

Some italians have now released there version of cold fussion!

good link with videos of the scientists themselves explaining their work.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/italian-scientists-claim-have-discovered-nickel-hydrogen-cold-fusion-create-copper-byproduct

I have myself worked with the browns gas electrolysis. Tricky stuff. the key is some high tech PWM (pulse wave modulation) with high volts.
I had a unit ordered ($20,000) made by russians. They got the ohms wrong and the unit didnt deliver the VA I wanted. At that point i had to scrap the
project because my money was gone. But all has its reasons.

In the process i developed 3D electrodes. They are very cool. Maybe it is time to show them??

Any how I liked Greers 'balls' in his conference divulging what he could to the general public. However in substain there was absolutely 0 (zero)
Than they went and bought up Meyers old hydrolysis technology (his famous car and all) with lots of donated money promising to 'share' their findings.

It is now 4 years down the line and still a big fat 0 (zero) from Greer....

What this means I dont know but 4 years seems alot of time to make something usable with already finished technology...

I was going to donate by I, personally, got bad vibes... At this point one may even start thinking he is a 'disinformer'. Like Glenn Beck...

Any how ya its old news but lots of resistance to get the heating, cooking, feul systems on the market!

J

[Steven]

Free energy, or rather, 'other sources of energy transformed to electrical application' are coming out in the world as we speak. Some very promising like the Searl or the Bedini energizer. But certainly not from Steven Greer. I don't think he's with us anymore...

Namaste, Steven

[Lazlo]

http://obsentinel.womacknewspapers.com/articles/2011/06/01/top_stories/tops214.txt

Federal judge to hear 'heavenly' case
BY SANDY SEMANS | SENTINEL STAFF

Three defendants scheduled to appear before Judge Terrence Boyle in the US District Court for the Eastern District of North Carolina in July might just touch on close encounters of the fourth kind.

Steven M. Greer, Emery S. Smith and Deborah Foch have been charged in connection with alegedly operating a commercial venture on a national wildlife refuge.

Charges against Greer include operation of a commercial enterprise on a national wildlife refuge, trepassing on a national wildlife refuge, and violation of "daylight use only" regulation which prohibits all nighttime activities on Pea Island except fishing.



Looks like the esteemed M Greer didn't get a permit before charging people $1000 to learn to be ET ambassadors. The feds don't take nicely to using public lands for money making operations without a permit.

[Lazlo]

No takers?

I'll be shameless and bump my own thread.

The reason that I found this so amusing is that I was told by an unnamed, but well respected source that, off the record mind you, Mr. Greer may not be all that he appears to be, or maybe more, depending on how you look at it. Anyhoo....this seemed like a little wink from the universe, or Karma in action if you will.

[silvervioletrubie]

Once money becomes part of the equation, it seems that the truth reveals itself. I often wondered what side of the equation Greer represented. Not that this cleared anything up:cool:

[Spiralmind]

Steve Bassett could use some of that money to pay off his conference debts.

[Maia Gabrial]

It's always about the money, isn't it?
Maia

[Lazlo]

It's always about the money, isn't it?
Maia

Conservative estimate of revenue by Mr. Greer based on the information in the article= 4 sessions in NC + 15 sessions in Joshua Tree + 1 session at Mt Shasta = 20 sessions x 30 participants x $1000 each = $ 600,000

Who needs a medical practice, I mean geesh...he doesn't even need to carry malpractice insurance

[Cidersomerset]

Ulli .... your right there is more money in the alternate community than I thought possible , may have to revise my opinion on Mr. Hodges case...LOL ( Never be afraid to review ones opinion , with the benifit of fresh information )

Cheer Steve..

[the trojan]

Ulli .... your right there is more money in the alternate community than I thought possible ,

Cheer Steve..
there certainly is.

[Arpheus]

Another scammer ,doesn't surprise me one bit i never believed half the crap greer claimed to begin with.

[craig mitchell]

I always thought Greer had a few hidden agendas, and he kind of creeped me out with his stage performance, especially when bragging about being a "body builder"----that's the worship of the body right?, the physical being so important to someone is always a bit suspicious

[Arrowwind]

I always thought Greer had a few hidden agendas, and he kind of creeped me out with his stage performance, especially when bragging about being a "body builder"----that's the worship of the body right?, the physical being so important to someone is always a bit suspicious

just becaue you build yoiur body means your a body worshiper? hmmm....
the body is the living temple of god.
More people would do well to know how to build it.

About Greer, I have no opinon what so ever.

That he makes money I do not care. at least he has not misused ancient shamanic practice as some others have.
That he did it illegally may be an issue. We have a responsibilty to follow the laws of the land, or if not challenge them in court and through protest... this does not sound like a case of civil disobediance.

[Spiralmind]

Based on the information I've read, I believe this is an attempt to discredit the disclosure movement.

[Moemers]

Based on the information I've read, I believe this is an attempt to discredit the disclosure movement.

Based on the information I've read, someone else took over the wheel of the vehicle known as Steven Greer a long time ago.

[craig mitchell]

Arrowwind,

Yea, we've all got a temple, and I'm talking about the over emphasis of that physical aspect of us until it starts to feel like "look at me, my temple is special", and coupled with a touch of smarmyness, causes me to wonder. As far as him making money, I say go ahead on Richy boy! Got caught on wildlife ground without a duck stamp (or whatever piece of paper required) I say...big deal and so what. Now, I'm sure he's ticked off someone who wants to make him look bad, but how much of a story is this? Shakespeare, perhaps a big ado about nothing?

Regards, Craig

[Lazlo]

Based on the information I've read, I believe this is an attempt to discredit the disclosure movement.

Based on the information I've read, someone else took over the wheel of the vehicle known as Steven Greer a long time ago.

BINGO...we have a winner!

[D-Day]

In my opinion Greer's early efforts to disclose the ET presence on our planet were admirable and inspirational to say the very least. That said, I now feel it is a distinct possibility that since then he has unwittingly become a disinfo/misinfo agent of the PTB. We've all heard his proposterous and irresponsible claims that ALL ETs are kind, loving and benevolent beings who only have humanity's best interests at heart I personally feel this is part of the wider PTB and malevolent ET collaborative agenda... surely the duality of light/dark, good/evil exists not only in the human reality but also in the ET reality to some extent as well?

On that note, some have suggested that in recent years Greer has become the target of mind control via Black Project/PTB psy-ops initiatives. This theory might explain why his primary focus has now been (strangely) shifted from the ET disclosure movement (Disclosure Project) and seemingly transferred into the fields of directly initiating contact with ETs (CSETI) and attempting to develop free energy technology (Orion Project).

In my view the two latter projects represent a waste of Greer's time and efforts, mainly because IMO the objectives of both the CSETI and Orion projects could more easily and cost-effectively be achieved through government-led disclosure of the ET/UFO presence on this planet, This was the primary objective of the Disclosure Project which has been almost completely neglected by Greer in recent years. I personally think that if Greer had continued to rigorously pursue disclosure as he was doing in the early 2000's that significantly more progress could have been achieved in that regard and maybe we would now find ourselves in a better position.

Despite all that, Greer's Disclosure Project conference at the Washington Press Club back in 2001 was one of the most historic events in disclosure history. The purpose of the conference was to raise public awareness about the ET/UFO phenomenon and to put pressure on world governments (predominantly the US) to openly disclose the facts about it to the general public. The event itself was hugely successful and at the time it brought the ET disclosure issue directly into the sights of mainstream media, thus exposing the masses to a new found wealth of information regarding the ET/UFO phenomenon and the relationship that existed between it and the military industrial complex/PTB coverup.

Unfortunately however, Greer's efforts to expose the truth were completely undermined, unraveled and diminished when shortly after the conference the 9-11 attacks took place in New York. At which point the media's attention was promptly shifted from the disclosure movement to covering the events of 9-11 (understandably). So, in one fell swoop the public interest and hype that was generated by the Disclosure Project conference was completely disabled and the issue of ET disclosure was once again shifted from mainstream public view.

I believe Greer was on the right track back in 2001 and at the time the PTB were probably scared out of their wits that he was going to bring down their fortress of secrecy and expose the shroud of lies and deceit they had created around the the entire ET/UFO phenomenon.

Could it be that the events of 9-11 were not only used as a method of gaining public support to go to war in Afghanistan and Iraq? Is it possible that the timing of the attacks was deliberately implemented and/or altered so as to coincide with and diffuse the increased public interest generated by Greer after the Press Club conference? Or was it all just a convenient coincidence of timing that enabled the PTB to kill three birds with one stone instead of just two?

After reading about Gree'rs impending court case I now wonder if it's possible that once again Greer has got too close to the truth? Might he have recently achieved a breakthrough in the Orion Project that has brought him ever so close to the development of free energy technology? Have the PTB once again implemented a plan to derail his progress, discredit him and get rid of him once and for all?

All of this of course is pure speculation and I don't really know anything with absolute certainty. What I do know is history has shown us time and time again that that when people get too close to the truth they are "dealt with"... one way or another. So I guess what I'm trying to convey with this post is that sometimes good people with the best of intentions can fall victim to these sorts of tacits by the PTB and maybe Greer is one such person.

[mojo]

Hi,
Dr Greer has done alot in the name of disclosure, and his Orion project is important in helping to bring forth free energy technologies for the human race. I learned alot from his videos in particular the Mt Shasta one (which is not to far away) and his descriptions of the ET's, the capture of audio tones, the description of how they phase shift into other dimensions has helped me tremendously. I searched for meaning and couldn't find any information that would help me understand what I was seeing early on and his information made the most sense. I owe him much in that regard. But there are other things I hope Dr Greer can see and change because he has done so much for our cause.
The other members have brought up some valid points. The cost for seeing ET shouldn't be. But, the cost of classroom training should. Dr Greer you have a special connection to seeing ET's. You know they are highly evolved and I believe they let you bring other people to see them and that is super special. I would make sure that time spent with ET is free to anyone, since they are in control. But your experience and teaching others is something that should earn wages. Maybe clarification is needed here. Also clear up the good vs. bad ET debate. It just can't be all good or all bad...Thanks and best wishes in bringing discloure.

[D-Day]

CSETI responds to allegations...


Regarding recent false allegations of violations by Dr. Greer and other CSETI members of various federal regulations at the Cape Hatteras National Seashore in NC, the CSETI Board wishes to make the following points.

First, CSETI events are in no way a commercial operation as alleged. CSETI is a 501 c3 non-profit organization in good standing with the IRS and in no way is a commercial enterprise or business. Any tuition is usual, customary and used to offset appropriate expenses of the non-profit, including CSETI educational and research programs and the work of the ground-breaking Disclosure Project (see www.DisclosureProject.org).

Secondly, regarding the event in question, in April 2010 CSETI held a research and educational program at the Outer Banks of NC. A person (who for now shall remain nameless) registered for the program who had worked for 16 years with the Pea Island National Wildlife Refuge office as an Administrative Officer. This person, having recently retired from that office, stated that she could obtain any and all needed permits for CSETI to conduct our night time research under the stars on the Pea Island National Wildlife Refuge. Proof of this fact is contained in an unambiguous email from this former US government official to CSETI Educational Program Coordinator Debbie Foch, and follows:

Debbie Foch: "Thanks so much for sending this, __________. So, we don't have to send in a permit application or anything? Just print these out and have the drivers in our car teams sign and date them and keep them on the dash of the cars?

Retired Administrative Officer from Refuge office: "Yes, each person will need to have one, signed , with them and each car will need one in the dash. I can get a stack from the office next time I'm over that direction. That's all that is needed, nothing needs to be sent in or be official."

On the day of our first night of research, this person took Dr. Greer, Debbie Foch, Linda Willitts and Trudy Guyker- all long-time senior members of CSETI- out to the site that she had selected and for which she had obtained the permits she said we needed. At no point during this site visit did she ever indicate that we needed anything other than the permits that this former federal Administrative Officer had obtained. Dr. Greer never spoke with or had any dealings with this person prior to this meeting and in no way had any involvement in securing the Permits. Debbie Foch, who dealt with this former federal Administrative Officer, reasonably trusted that- given this person's long-time employment with the very office and agency that provided such Permits- she had obtained the necessary permission on our behalf.

Third, on the night of the incident, the ranger that came onto the site immediately recognized this former federal official and exclaimed:

"(First Name of person) you should know better!". It was clear that this person and the ranger were on a first name basis and knew each other. All vehicles and persons present had with them the exact Permits given to us by this former federal official, and these were shown to the ranger.

Fourth, notwithstanding the above facts, which are incontrovertible and provable, the ranger removed the CSETI team and gave us a violation notice. Another ranger who was present that night stated to us that we could get the correct Permit from their office and that, in fact, that office had given permits to sky watch groups for night use in the past, and that this should be no problem. Additionally, a local deputy suggested another specific place (not on the Wildlife Refuge) where we could go and said we would not need a permit for that location. However, when we went to that exact site on a subsequent night, we were again approached by rangers, but allowed to stay.

Fifth, when Linda Willitts called the permit officer, Steve Thompson, on CSETI's behalf, he stated that because we were a UFO group that he
would never grant us a permit. We were shocked and dismayed by this statement. This clearly shows bias and discrimination against CSETI's views and beliefs. This bias was further voiced and confirmed by comments made by Bonnie Strawser (of the same federal office) to the Outer Banks Sentinel.

The Board of Directors of CSETI is working to resolve this situation. The facts show that we were misled by an experienced former federal official, whose expertise we trusted. It is further noted that this person "who should have known better" was not charged with any violation, even though she was also present on the Wildlife Refuge that night. It is not known why this person, who would have a higher burden of expectation to know the details of federal rules and regulation, was not charged, while others were. This may show further bias and discrimination. It is apparent that some bias against UFO groups is involved in this situation. Furthermore, it can be proven that CSETI obtained the permits we were told we needed, and in fact has been granted permits by Joshua Tree National Park, Zapata Falls national recreational area in CO, and other sites.

Board Of Directors, CSETI

Source: http://ds87-230-55-33.dedicated.hosteurope.de/action/viewvideo/73803/Steven_Greer_Headed_To_Federal_Court_On_Lawsuit/

[Lazlo]

Thanks D-DAY, I appreciate you bringing the other side of the story to the table.

Anyone else here see any parallels with the points made by D-Day and what we are witnessing right now, here on Avalon? (I Hope you don't mind me taking statements out of contex here D-DAY, but I think you are on to something)

"Greer's efforts to expose the truth were completely undermined, unraveled and diminished..."

"I believe Greer was on the right track back in 2001 and at the time the PTB were probably scared out of their wits that he was going to bring down their fortress of secrecy and expose the shroud of lies and deceit they had created around the the entire ET/UFO phenomenon."

"So I guess what I'm trying to convey with this post is that sometimes good people with the best of intentions can fall victim to these sorts of tacits by the PTB and maybe Greer is one such person."

[Patrikas]

Thanks D-DAY, I appreciate you bringing the other side of the story to the table.

Anyone else here see any parallels with the points made by D-Day and what we are witnessing right now, here on Avalon? (I Hope you don't mind me taking statements out of contex here D-DAY, but I think you are on to something)

"Greer's efforts to expose the truth were completely undermined, unraveled and diminished..."

"I believe Greer was on the right track back in 2001 and at the time the PTB were probably scared out of their wits that he was going to bring down their fortress of secrecy and expose the shroud of lies and deceit they had created around the the entire ET/UFO phenomenon."

"So I guess what I'm trying to convey with this post is that sometimes good people with the best of intentions can fall victim to these sorts of tacits by the PTB and maybe Greer is one such person."

Interesting you brought this up for a couple of reasons.....there is a pattern that seems to be continious with history of foundations and ppl that pe started out with absolute good intent and ended up being infiltrated and their original intent nullified or surpressed by the many & covert means they use to mapinuate hide disinfo what is true....i only know about Greer form when kerry and bill did the impromtu interview a while back .......he didnt really do anything for me anyways ...this thread triggered me about an interview that B&K did with jake simpson it was just text no recordings or vid.and in it was this...Jake helped us understand that if we kept our information general and didn't try to prove anything (with documentation or by any other means), we would remain safe. He stressed that it was very important not to get too specific on certain sensitive issues, and to be very wary of ever getting hold of any definitive documentation. ".i remember thinking at the time hmmmmm .if whistleblowing was my forte to find the truth ....that is almost like an ultimatuim ....talk about it researcing it .....but dont get too close with absolute facts ...im going to attract a lot of unwanted attention ..so then there is a choice to make to proceed according to truth or to do it their way ...... physical evidence prompting physical action is good but by itself its only half of the picture.......if we have spiritual understanding coupled with physical action we have both ....perhaps this is the reason with the change of direction for Bill it is my feeling that this happened i wish him all the best ,,,,,,,blessings

jake simpson interview
http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/jake_simpson_en.html

[ceetee9]

It's always about the money, isn't it?
Maia

Yes it is. So when are we going to get it and end this monetary system that keeps the elite in control and the rest of us their slaves? ;)

[silvervioletrubie]

I do not have enough knowledge about Greer and his actions to speak to the validity of the disclosure project or the federal lawsuit issue, however the Orion project stinks.

To ask free energy people to fully submit their inventions to him, for an analysis of their credibility is crazy!

Those interested in free energy know two things, One is that free energy is the MOST suppressed technology out there and has been for at least a hundred years (suppression of free energy technologies and inventors has a very long track record), Second is that the reality of free energy is not in question. Magnets hold free energy, water holds free energy, the sun holds free energy, the air holds free energy, the ground holds free energy. The issue is finding a way to give a version of free energy technology to the people without the control factor.

So when Greer asks for you to submit your free energy invention to him for review (including all your personal location and identification information), what is he really doing? Creating a hit list for TPTB? Who knows, but when it looks like *hit, smells like *hit, it probably tastes like *hit too.......but I for one, am not interested in finding out what it tastes like.

[silvervioletrubie]

It's always about the money, isn't it?
Maia

Yes it is. So when are we going to get it and end this monetary system that keeps the elite in control and the rest of us their slaves? ;)


Great question!!

I often ponder how such a non monetary system could be achieved or even what type of structure it would have. We really can't go back to the native american model, too many people. Can we find a new way that includes technology and productivity?

thanks ceetee9!

[Lazlo]

It's always about the money, isn't it?
Maia

Yes it is. So when are we going to get it and end this monetary system that keeps the elite in control and the rest of us their slaves? ;)


Great question!!

I often ponder how such a non monetary system could be achieved or even what type of structure it would have. We really can't go back to the native american model, too many people. Can we find a new way that includes technology and productivity?

thanks ceetee9!

How about Calories? It would reveal the true value of things. For instance, we currently use about 10 calories of fossil fuels for each calorie of food that we actually eat.

It takes eight times as much to produce a pound of meat that it takes to produce a pound of vegetables. I am pretty sure that we wouldn't have factory farms and slaughterhouses if people looked at it, and paid for it, this way.

Calories are an empirical measurement of energy, and can therefore be calculated accurately for virtually any human activity.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I do not have enough knowledge about Greer and his actions to speak to the validity of the disclosure project or the federal lawsuit issue, however the Orion project stinks.

To ask free energy people to fully submit their inventions to him, for an analysis of their credibility is crazy!

Those interested in free energy know two things, One is that free energy is the MOST suppressed technology out there and has been for at least a hundred years (suppression of free energy technologies and inventors has a very long track record), Second is that the reality of free energy is not in question. Magnets hold free energy, water holds free energy, the sun holds free energy, the air holds free energy, the ground holds free energy. The issue is finding a way to give a version of free energy technology to the people without the control factor.

So when Greer asks for you to submit your free energy invention to him for review (including all your personal location and identification information), what is he really doing? Creating a hit list for TPTB? Who knows, but when it looks like *hit, smells like *hit, it probably tastes like *hit too.......but I for one, am not interested in finding out what it tastes like.


I wholeheartedly agree.

I know people who have worked closely with Greer and have watched how he surrounds himself with those who worship him. I have also watched as his ego and arrogance have expanded exponentially. Whether or not he has had the experiences he claims, I can't say; however, I do know that altruistic beings Do Not regularly work through such big egos.

[jackovesk]

No takers?

I'll be shameless and bump my own thread.

The reason that I found this so amusing is that I was told by an unnamed, but well respected source that, off the record mind you, Mr. Greer may not be all that he appears to be, or maybe more, depending on how you look at it. Anyhoo....this seemed like a little wink from the universe, or Karma in action if you will.

I will...

:bump:

Your...

:bump:

and Raise you a...

:bump:

[ulli]

even since before his National Press Club press conference just over 10 years ago (I can't believe it's that long ago already)
because of his connections he has been labeled as PTB front man.

He took Laurence Rockefeller to meet with Hillary Clinton to brief her on the UFO scene.
His uncle was on the design team of the first Apollo space capsule.
He lives in a totally different world from ours, who don't have such big-time connections.
But I do know he has suffered a lot of abuse on his path, too.

Each one of us can choose what we want to attribute to someone like that, what we want to project.
He has worked very hard on some important disclosure breakthroughs, which I am grateful for.

[shadowstalker]

Sad part about living in this world is, no matter what one does for the good, some one will take the time to discredit another for what ever reasons, and get praised for it, but then guess who is in line to be discredid, yup the person who started to discredit the previous person,.

Debunking is to easy these days, all one had to do is look for a weak spot, like there trash been, or folks they MAY have hung out with, whether knowingly or unknowingly.

I feel bad for most of the folks who have been debunked, why, you ask? Because anyone of us here can be debunked at the drop of a hat, simply because things don't add up in someone elses mind

It's just to easy, especially when the debunker is always looking for an excuse not to belief the person telling the story, and want to destroy the other to make themselves feel better, or feel better themselves.
I could go on with this..


As for taking in money, what is considered the cut of point before being considered a scammer, because a lot of these folks only charge in life is to do what they are doing.( P.C. + P.A.) Bills need to be paid, food needs to be consumed, new equipment needs to be bought, need to sleep somewhere, trips need to be taken.

I know a lot of folks here are most likely to bash on my reply, and totally miss the point of what I am saying, But let me just say one more thing, what you accuse of others, you may very well be next in line.

[jackovesk]

even since before his National Press Club press conference just over 10 years ago (I can't believe it's that long ago already)
because of his connections he has been labeled as PTB front man.

He took Laurence Rockefeller to meet with Hillary Clinton to brief her on the UFO scene.
His uncle was on the design team of the first Apollo space capsule.
He lives in a totally different world from ours, who don't have such big-time connections.
But I do know he has suffered a lot of abuse on his path, too.

Each one of us can choose what we want to attribute to someone like that, what we want to project.
He has worked very hard on some important disclosure breakthroughs, which I am grateful for.

Sometimes you come up with some really insightful info ulli,

I'd love to help you, but your intuition/feeling are way of the mark this time...

Disclosure? What Disclosure? $1,000 to make Contact through Meditation?

Hell - I can do that for free!

Time to to get out of your own psyche and start doing some research on Dr. S. Greer!

[ulli]

I'll take your word for it...
I lost interest years ago, something didn't feel right about his persona,
and I'm not into body builders...lol

Yes, and you are right about his disclosure efforts not going anywhere...
not with him, anyway.

but in my early investigation his work was very useful and I will give him credit.

Strange that he is now facing the courts, though.
Maybe his connections aren't quite what they appeared to be.

...unless there is yet another conspiracy behind this one-
or distraction.

I need a massage...

[D-Day]

Some interesting perspective to be gained here... take it or leave it ;)

DECEPTION PROJECT Part 1 - Disclosure Project & Hidden Secrets (Bohemian Grove/Owl of the Ancients)

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For those who have the time, the remaining parts of the Deception Project series are also worthy of your consideration...

[pilotsimone]

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[Tommy]

Hi,

Well, I should probably not state to much about what I think about Steven Greer, but you can surely make an educated guess..

Steven has only done one thing that directly pissed me off a little bit. As you know we are having the Awake and Aware 2011 conference in September (http://awakeandaware2011.com), this has been planned for quite some time now.
Now, recently we got word that Steven Greer has also planned an event (date set after we set ours) for the same weekend in LA, he calls it a "free disclosure woodstock (music) event". There will indeed be some speakers worth while, but fact is that Steven was aware of our conference dates and still chose to do it at the same time in the exact same area. Smells a little fishy?

And I do know for a FACT that Steven indeed knew about our event on before-hand. If this story (thanks OP) unfolds that might be difficult though due to the economic situation he will be in, I guess you can say "karma" works in mysterious ways.. lol

Anyways, our Awake and Aware attendance list already has a lot of people on it, and we still have room for some more :)

Just wanted to share this.

All the best to you all,

Tommy

[DoubleHelix]

I notice Bill and Kerry are sharing a time block, good to hear it's all water under the bridge since Kerry released those Charles files!.

Steven Greer, so many things don't add up about that guy.. how about his claim that all ET races are benevolent.. I mean c'mon!

[Darla Ken Pearce]

Sometimes people are put in charge of things like Disclosure to make sure it remains undisclosed. Like putting a commission together to investigate important matters and it never goes anywhere at all. They go through all the right motions but in the end nothing changes at all. Nice show. Case closed.

Since the real Celestials are very much in favor of Disclosure, what could possibly be wrong with this picture?

Since Steven Greer is taking folks out to look and watch for ET's and they do not arrive, nothing amiss, or is there?

We know that Celestials are speaking to their Allies but not to Steven. What could that possibly mean if he was an a genuine supporter?

The fact that absolutely nothing of value has occurred under his watch should answer this question once and for all. It does for me, anyway. He wouldn't need to go on sacred lands for a show from Galactics, they are being seen all over the world at this time. A kind heart brings their protection any where and anytime and they will appear in the skies overhead. I have seen this and taken pictures of their presence myself.

What I am saying is ~ he doesn't have a good track record and the Celestials seem not to know him. Since they know and see all, what could this mean?

[ceetee9]

It's always about the money, isn't it?
Maia

Yes it is. So when are we going to get it and end this monetary system that keeps the elite in control and the rest of us their slaves? ;)


Great question!!

I often ponder how such a non monetary system could be achieved or even what type of structure it would have. We really can't go back to the native american model, too many people. Can we find a new way that includes technology and productivity?

thanks ceetee9!
I have often pondered it as well and I don't believe this kind of paradigm shift can occur without a fundamental change in the way we think and interact with one another. We have many centuries worth of enslavement programming that must be undone, but it is definitely doable if we can free ourselves from this incessant desire to possess things and control others.

And, yes, we can have our technologies and creature comforts. We do not need to regress to hunters and gathers, but we do need to change our mindset.

Imagine a world where everyone continued to do pretty much what they do today, but without a paycheck. Companies would grow or be formed by focusing on producing new and better technologies that were more efficient and environmentally safe rather than focusing on how to increase their CEO's and stockholder's wealth. You go to the store to GET what you need not to BUY what you need. Everybody who is capable of contributing to society does so and those who are incapable are taken care of at the same level of comfort as everyone else. There are no classes, no ruling elite and little to no governments. That doesn't mean we degenerate into chaos. There would have to be some form of guidance/structure to ensure society's basic needs were met (i.e., everyone couldn't become a musician, philosopher, athlete, etc.), but, for the most part, people could do what they were best at or wanted to do. They could change careers at will or stay in a particular job for life, if so desired. School children would be evaluated for their abilities and skill sets at an early age and guided toward studies and a field of work that they would excel at; thus benefiting society and the quality and satisfaction of their own life.

Those are a few ideas, but this is a far too large and complex subject to deal with in any meaningful way in a blog. There is much written on the subject you can find in books and on the Web. Michael Tellinger has some good information on Contributionism--which is one possible solution that I was alluding to above that could free us from bondage.
http://www.slavespecies.com/
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1910-Michael-Tellinger-Contributionism

[Omni]

[SIZE=2] A kind heart brings their protection any where and anytime....

This is blatantly false. I have a kind heart, yet I still get tortured and attacked relentlessly. I've done what you say works, I've asked Archangel Michael for help. It didn't work at all. I'm sure you'd come up with some BS about how I'm flawed or don't have a kind heart to explain to yourself my situation though. My life contradicts your reality. You have a lot of optimism and people like that, but I'm afraid you also hold many illusions IMHO.

{edit} Darla I will not give into your pressure in your condescending, negative, and judgmental PM to me demanding I delete my message here. You have been exposed to having disinfo. Such as you saying the "celestials" wont allow a nuclear disaster again, when they clearly did. Or that "all will be revealed in 2011" when the likelihood for that is less than me being taken on a trip to Sirius B tonight. Yet you do not even consider you are wrong when what you say is blatantly and irrefutably proven wrong. Optimism isn't the answer when it is waist deep in illusions. And I hope the mods will not delete this post after your reporting of it because it contains no personal attacks as I am accused of. Just a critique of my opinion and testimony of the WORDS you are pushing, and that what you are pushing is FALSE. We should always be allowed to disagree respectfully.


As for the charges they seem flimsy and wrong. I don't support Mr Greer being prosecuted even though I'm not too fond of the guy.

[TOTHE]

I think it is a good idea to prosecute Dr. Greer in Federal Court. After all every little bit of action on his part is raising the Collective Human Consciousness a notch higher like in the Mandelbrot Set.
Go Dr. Greer!
Don't spend any money on Lawyers, defend yourself in court with no counsel!
You as a taxpayer OWN that land in Pea Island anyway! It belongs to the people of the United States.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I've said it about David Wilcock and I'll say it about Greer...he has far more courage than any of his critics.

I admire all researchers and have a tremendous amount of respect for what they must endure and tolerate from the 'debunkers'. I'd rather focus on the question... Why are some so eager and willing to take down any researcher? It's a pattern we should all be looking at and questioning.

I also find it interesting researchers are expected to be without ego...as if they don't have to go through the same lessons we all do. Who is buying this argument they must be ego-less to be valuable to humanity at this time?

These kinds of threads feel very transparent to me anymore. I hope others are seeing it too.


Pilotsimone,

Please understand, we don't expect them to be "without ego". However, there is a HUGE difference between normal ego and overly expanded, inflated ego.

In my world, ego and spirit should be balanced and work together. When the ego is inflated the spirit retracts.

[Noble Hops]

What I am saying is ~ he doesn't have a good track record and the Celestials seem not to know him. Since they know and see all, what could this mean?

They know him. They just get embarrassed and act like they don't when he whips off the sportcoat and starts flexing on stage in the extra small polo shirt while repeatedly telling the audience he's "just a country doctor". :becky:

[Darla Ken Pearce]

They know him. They just get embarrassed and act like they don't when he whips off the sportcoat and starts flexing on stage in the extra small polo shirt while repeatedly telling the audience he's "just a country doctor". :becky:

Thank you for making me laugh today ~ I love it and you for saying it, too! xoxoxox

[Lifebringer]

Yes this is, and you know what cabal is stopping it. Steven said that higher ups were surrounding him, they will handle this in time.
It's not like they haven't gone after him before. He's disclosing their deepest darkest secret goverment mystery, so yes, his trials will be many like Julian's.

But he'll be alright. I understand it's an energy device the size of a jewelry box that works on zero gravity and can power a home.

You know the big Oil, Coal, and Natural Gas companies, don't want their monopoly parade pissed on.

My prayers are with you Steven. They would love to discredit him, but it's bigger than Steven and he knows it.

[Lifebringer]

Steven was an ER doctor. Doctors have egos. Not surprised by his health stance or ego. Anybody that knows a doctor and even some nurses, have egos.

His hearts in the right place. God works in mysterious ways with many diverse personalities, sometimes the tough in you face stance, keeps the powers that were in check.

[onawah]

Interesting talk tonight with Dr. Greer and Dr. Ted Loder at:
http://www.disclosureproject.org/email-update-world-puja-sep-23-2011.shtml
You can listen free tonight if you jump through all the World Puja hoops.
Then you have to pay.
Greer gives these talks every other week.
If you sign up, you will get announcements a couple of days before they air.

[Corncrake]

Thanks for reminding me about these broadcasts. I used to listen to them quite regularly but then found the information was getting a bit repetitive plus it was always a struggle to catch them in the free time zone! This one however, is quite topical and worth listening to.

[truth4me]

According to Edward L Chiarini Jr aka "dallasgoldbug" ,Greer and Jeffs are the same. His web site is Wellaware1.com and it does have some very interesting things on there that's for sure. He talks and shows what he calls proof about main stream media setting up staged events and the actors involved. Some things I agreed with him but the Greer is Jeffs stuff I'm kinda shaky on. Yes they do look alike still.....I know Kerry and Bill did an interview with Greer. Anyway Wellaware1.com is the site.....

[etm567]

I'm sorry. Respectfully, I must say I find this utterly ridiculous. I watched a little bit of one of his videos, where he is saying these certain "actors" are playing all these multiple roles. He puts up images up two people with similar coloring, but who are obviously not the same person, says, "Look at the ears, ears are like fingerpints," -- well, I looked at the ears, and even the ears don't match. He just says they do. So, one woman has long brown hair and brown eyes and another woman has long brown hair and brown eyes -- that doesn't make them identical or the same. They don't even really look like sisters, except for the long brown hair.

They do not match. Those people don't even look like each other. He lists pair after pair after pair.

Come on, people. What's happening to this site?

It seems to be being eaten up by a big monster of logical fallacies. Because there is disinformation doesn't mean everything is disinformation. Because one social movement (such as the Tea Party, to my mind) may have been nurtured by organized forces doesn't mean all social movements are. The OWS folks don't have leaders or backers, yet they have organized themselves. And if you don't know what they are doing... I am scratching my head.

This guy -- well, I didn't see a picture of him. He doesn't sound anything like Steven Greer, his voice has a completely different timbre. He doesn't sound nearly as intelligent as Steven Greer. He is not well spoken as Steven Greer is. What he is presenting is completely inconsistent with anything Steven Greer has ever done. His website looks ridiculous compared to Steven Greer's. Why would Steven Greer want to do this?

I don't post here very much; I mostly just read. But lately what I've been reading has really seemed to me like it's coming from another website somewhere, and is designed to sow confusion and disagreement.

To me, this post looks like nonsense. Sorry if that's offensive to the OP, I don't want to attack anyone personally. But please, look critically at those videos. Not all conspiracy theory has any basis in reality. All conspiracy theories are not created the same.

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

What can I say, but wow. :rolleyes:

Two totally different people.

Warren Jeffs December 3, 1955
http://www.imperfectparent.com/topics/images/2011/08/2011_08_09_warren_jeffs.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Jeffs

Steven M. Greer (June 28, 1955)
http://s2.hubimg.com/u/5319677_f260.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_M._Greer

[Sidney]

My opinion? um no. lol Nothing more than simple similarities.

[gooty64]

On Greer: I really feel that he is a double agent of sorts. 20 TWENTY long years of CSETI and the Disclosure Project-are you kidding me?
I feel that he and his 4 or5 daughters and family are protected and he is in charge of dragging out this whole "disclosure" BS for all these years. In the meantime, the cabal keeps their game going.
Additionally, I sense that Kerry might agree based on her (and to a lesser degree Bill's) interrogation of him in the Project Camelot interview.
Try stomaching one of Dr. Greers speeches or talks. I have never seem any one human so full of himself. PUKE!
Dr. Greer has produced a useless trickle of information over the years.
I am open to being 100% wrong on this. Just my take and hunch from the little I know about the guy.
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[DevilPigeon]

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That must be his favourite shirt..... :)

[Snowbird]

During the most recent Awake and Aware presentation by Bill and Kerry, Bill mentioned that he would very much like to revisit and reinterview Steven Greer. I just now finished watching the interview above. Thanks gooty64 for posting it.

I think that it would be a fabulous interview. Steven Greer is extremely informed and I agree with most of his views as I also agree with most of Bill and Kerry's views concerning those off-planet and on-planet.

However, an association between Greer and Jeffs is simply so outrageous that I'm speechless. :wacko2:

[truth4me]

During the most recent Awake and Aware presentation by Bill and Kerry, Bill mentioned that he would very much like to revisit and reinterview Steven Greer. I just now finished watching the interview above. Thanks gooty64 for posting it.

I think that it would be a fabulous interview. Steven Greer is extremely informed and I agree with most of his views as I also agree with most of Bill and Kerry's views concerning those off-planet and on-planet.

However, an association between Greer and Jeffs is simply so outrageous that I'm speechless. :wacko2:I went to that site and viewed a couple of video's. Now I do believe that our government stages events. We all know that and some of the stuff is interesting BUT as the OP of this thread I stated that the Greer -Jeffs stuff is shaky and I personally don't believe it. With that being said we also have to take in the fact that on this forum we talk of aliens and ghosts and secret societies and angels and demons.....well you get the point....

[Ethereal Blue Being]

Seriously Greer looks nothing like him.. Same person.NO.. Jeffs is dark hair, white skined,thin faced, black eyed, tall, fine boned,emaciated and a poligimist who forced 14 yr old girls to marry men in their 30s and 40s.. The media here in Las Vegas coverd jeffs trial. Greer is a redheaded, broad faced, peach skined, 200 plus pound bodybuilder with huge bone structure..to say Jeffs is Greer is an insult of the highest magnitude.!!! Somebody seems to be playing "mindgames" by trying to get us to "imagine" Greer in this way and planting a negative "mindseed" against all that good Greer stands for...I dont think I will ever be interested in visiting the website you mentioned if this is an example of the rationale this person is operating from (perhaps they have the brain malfunction where they cant recognize or differenciate faces). If this is a joke IMHO its not very funny.Im with Snowbird above post #7 on this one It leaves me speechless (but obviouslu not typeless judgeing from the length of my post.) IMHO the mods should remove this thread

As far as the government staging some things.. Im sure most Avalonians have seen the Film "Wag the Dog" with Robert Deniro and Dustin Hoffman where a bigtime movie director is used to make news stories that look like a real warzone to take the spotlight off the president for indiscretions with a minor..any thing is possible. but still

[the trojan]

there is a very strong resemblance between both photos in the stephen greer article above.
Take into consideration time,hairloss,hairdye on grey hair,the eyes and ears and his chin are very very similar and the guy in both photos prefers to wear a shirt which is big on the neck size.
In saying that,I dont agree with all that dallasgoldbug is promoting but there are some gems among his videos.

[Snowbird]

During the most recent Awake and Aware presentation by Bill and Kerry, Bill mentioned that he would very much like to revisit and reinterview Steven Greer. I just now finished watching the interview above. Thanks gooty64 for posting it.

I think that it would be a fabulous interview. Steven Greer is extremely informed and I agree with most of his views as I also agree with most of Bill and Kerry's views concerning those off-planet and on-planet.

However, an association between Greer and Jeffs is simply so outrageous that I'm speechless. :wacko2:I went to that site and viewed a couple of video's. Now I do believe that our government stages events. We all know that and some of the stuff is interesting BUT as the OP of this thread I stated that the Greer -Jeffs stuff is shaky and I personally don't believe it. With that being said we also have to take in the fact that on this forum we talk of aliens and ghosts and secret societies and angels and demons.....well you get the point....

The fact that you posted this info is not a problem. I'm okay with the possibility. I'm just shocked that someone would see a likeness or similarities between these two. Their differences far outnumber their similarities....do they even have any real similarities? I don't think so.

[The One]

http://www.americanantigravity.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/stevengreer_1_150px.jpg

Dr. Greer is well known as founder of the Disclosure Project, but he’s also known for having a strength of character, discipline of mind, and determination of will that draws people towards him and inspires them with his vision. As Harold Berndt tells me, ”It’s one thing to lead a worthy cause, and quite another to actually have the ability, talent and resolve to see it through. Dr. Steven Greer is a highly competent leader with a natural ability to convey this powerful message.” Greer is inspired, and through The Disclosure Project he inspires others.

Greer has been at the helm of The Disclosure Project for nearly two decades now, and done Congressional presentations, briefings for CIA directors, and had private discussions with powerful figures throughout our government. In a sense, he’s a one-man political action committee for government openness about UFOs, and the Disclosure Project has become a political force though his leadership. It wasn’t always that way, however, and Greer talks about the early days of The Disclosure Project, and discusses the efforts that went into putting together a panel of experts to discuss the subject of UFOs.

In addition to the Disclosure Project, Greer is also the founder of Space Energy Access Systems (SEAS), an organization dedicating to developing long-term energy alternatives to fossil fuels. While others in that sector pursue incremental solutions to the problem, Greer pointed SEAS towards the Zero Point Energy as the optimal long-term solution for energy independence. For Greer, establishing new technological paradigms is a key part of changing the social paradigm to help mankind evolve towards being the kind of species that ET would feel comfortable openly meeting. He discusses popular media’s portrayal of ET as being hostile, and indicates that the problem isn’t ET’s hostile nature, but in fact our own.

According to Greer, open contact has been forestalled by the hostile nature of the human species, making us socially undeveloped in the eyes of any species advanced enough to visit us. He suggests that our technology has outstripped our social development, and that until humanity is able to act more mature we’re not likely to be welcome in space. He claims that extraterrestrial visitors are concerned about our hostility, which is exemplified by UFO signtings over nuclear missile silos and atomic test sites since the 1940′s.

Greer also discusses the role of big media in stigmatizing UFOs with a “giggle factor”, and suggests that our media establishment has been just as damaging to the truth about UFOs as the government has. He asserts that only thing more corrupt than big corporations is big media, and notes that the media has a tendency to only report on stories that support their own corporate agenda, and have no qualms about slanting and stigmatizing views that don’t fit that agenda. I echo Greer’s distrust of mainstream media, and the explosion of independent blog-journalism and decline of big media indicates that Greer’s view is quietly shared by many Americans.

For me, Steven Greer’s achievements can be summarized in a single word: courage. Before Steven Greer and The Disclosure Project, UFOs were a taboo subject. It took tremendous courage for him to step forward, face the stigma head-on, and say, “I believe”. Over time, that courage has inspired others to find their own voice, and gradually more people are stepping forward to join him in saying: “I believe”.

http://www.americanantigravity.com/podpress_trac/web/661/0/Steven-Greer-Normalized.mp3

http://www.americanantigravity.com/audio/steven-greer-on-the-disclosure-project.html

[mojo]

I'm always interested in hearing what the latest news is from the Disclosure Project. There doesn't seem to be as much momentum these days coming from that organization...I wonder why?

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[Maia Gabrial]

Maybe it was about the money for Dr. Greer and his organization....
IMO Disclosure will have to come from our cosmic friends themselves....

[buckminster fuller]

Maybe it just serves as an excuse.. The credentials of the guys witnessing, the fact that Greer briefed Clinton's team makes it very hard to beat in terms of seriousness, of credibility. If this guys can't make it.. who can... They just impose the consensus that there is nothing more to do about it, since there is ZERO outcome from their enterprise in ten years.

It was too good to be true (as a movement, not talking about the witness's testimonies), Greer looks more like a CIA asset to me than a doctor...

[Unified Serenity]

There are some who dislike the ideas given by those who talk about Dr. Greer's alleged extra curricular activities in the gay arena. I don't really care, but there were quite a few posts about it at one time and it seemed things cooled off right about that time.

[CdnSirian]

Do we care about his info or not? Anyone seen the videos he put out in - like ten years ago? He puts himself out for death threats for fun? Think about it.

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There are some who dislike the ideas given by those who talk about Dr. Greer's alleged extra curricular activities in the gay arena. I don't really care, but there were quite a few posts about it at one time and it seemed things cooled off right about that time.

And isn't that the best way to discredit ANYONE?

[mojo]

My hope is that Dr Greer is not handcuffed by some gossip or other external forces. In the audio he speaks about having more proof, evidence, testimonies in support of contact than any other person/organization. Hopefully all that info is out there otherwise his silence hinders our hopes.

[onawah]

I don't know anything for sure, but I've continued to follow his work by tuning into the World Puja weekly talks and I am on the email list of folks all over the world who are following the protocols Greer recommends for making Contact every month and are sharing their experiences with each other.
(More about this on Helvitica's thread.)
I think his work may have just gone through a very natural metamorphosis, and I'm not concerned about the lack of national coverage as in early days.
I think he's still plugged in, perhaps just not in the same way.
IMHO, no one can be expected to swim forever against the tide of resistance that TPTW have directed at anyone who has taken the spotlight in regard to UFOs, etc.
Taking all that flak, in addition to the gossip, etc. must get pretty old after a while.

[meredith]

My understanding is that he's putting more effort into free energy devices (Orion Project, I think).

Edit to add: And the Ambassador trainings that he does, for direct contact with friendly ET craft.

[modwiz]

If I have to have one over the other, it would be free energy over disclosure. The latter is inevitable, the former is being held in abeyance to our, and the planets', detriment.

In my mind I know they both exist, it is free energy that would effect our lives in practical ways immediately.

[onawah]

Agreed, but many have fought for Disclosure, thinking that it would lead to free energy becoming more available and sooner, which seems logical, but then, Logic flew out the window quite a while ago, it seems...


If I have to have one over the other, it would be free energy over disclosure. The latter is inevitable, the former is being held in abeyance to our, and the planets', detriment.

In my mind I know they both exist, it is free energy that would effect our lives in practical ways immediately.

[modwiz]

Agreed, but many have fought for Disclosure, thinking that it would lead to free energy becoming more available and sooner, which seems logical, but then, Logic flew out the window quite a while ago, it seems...


If I have to have one over the other, it would be free energy over disclosure. The latter is inevitable, the former is being held in abeyance to our, and the planets', detriment.

In my mind I know they both exist, it is free energy that would effect our lives in practical ways immediately.

I understand your logic and had it in my mind while writing my post. My deciding to put my weight on that 'foot' came from 'seeing' all the possible zigs, zags and games that could be played with the ET's while months if not years went by as we were all, as a collective, dazzled by the brilliance while our governments baffled us with their bullsh!t.

That is why I opted for cutting to the chase with free energy.

Like a reality show, so popular with the sleepwalkers, Disclosure offers lots of drama with abundant ooh and ahh factor. I'm sure there would be shows with endless commercials as the disclosure event was rolled out. I know who I am sharing a planet with. :rolleyes:

[onawah]

Yes, it's gotten pretty old, even something as exciting as Disclosure! :ohwell:
That seems to be the most prized trick of TPTW, to make something truly cosmic seem dull and mundane. :bored:
SHHHH!!!! :nono: :tape2:
Mustn't wake the sheeple! :fear: :lazy2: :sleep:

[beyondmyctrl]

Do we care about his info or not? Anyone seen the videos he put out in - like ten years ago? He puts himself out for death threats for fun? Think about it.

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There are some who dislike the ideas given by those who talk about Dr. Greer's alleged extra curricular activities in the gay arena. I don't really care, but there were quite a few posts about it at one time and it seemed things cooled off right about that time.

And isn't that the best way to discredit ANYONE? why ? are you saying that gay men are less credible than straight ones just coz we have sex with men ?

[Carmody]

see wade Frazier's thread.

he illustrates that every one of Greer's group, except Greer..was dead in about 1 year, or cancer. All of them.

[modwiz]

Do we care about his info or not? Anyone seen the videos he put out in - like ten years ago? He puts himself out for death threats for fun? Think about it.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


There are some who dislike the ideas given by those who talk about Dr. Greer's alleged extra curricular activities in the gay arena. I don't really care, but there were quite a few posts about it at one time and it seemed things cooled off right about that time.

And isn't that the best way to discredit ANYONE? why ? are you saying that gay men are less credible than straight ones just coz we have sex with men ?

Hope he wasn't saying that, didn't really read that into those words, though see how it might be possible.

As for me, I don't care who people in government or otherwise are fooking, as long as it isn't me.

[modwiz]

see wade Frazier's thread.

he illustrates that every one of Greer's group, except Greer..was dead in about 1 year, or cancer. All of them.

There is something different/special about Greer and it isn't just the muscle he has packed on since his friends started dropping around him. There is something about his vibration that feels a little bit 'different' or tweaked? Can't quite put my finger on it. I mean this in all sincerity.

[onawah]

I don't quite understand where this is going.
I'm assuming you are aware that Greer and his good friend Sheri Adamiak were subject to a black op attack which gave them both a very particular type of cancer that accelerated impossibly fast, killing her, and convincing Greer that he was only going to survive if he started taking really good care of himself, which is when the working out regime began.
I was in on that controversial thread about Greer some time ago, after his contentious interview with Kerry, and I was one of the members trying to get to the truth about the gay smear campaign (if that was what it was) and much else.
Finally, it just seemed that the trail grew cold and there was nothing new to report.
But I was assured by someone who knows him well that he is not gay at all, quite the opposite, and I believed that, mostly because the person was so sincere and seemed quite savvy, though I didn't care whether Greer was gay or not, I just wanted to know if he was perhaps being blackmailed or compromised in some way, and if so, why and how it might be affecting his work.
I was not aware of any news since then.
Where in Wade's thread is there news about Greer? (It's a very long thread.)
Is there news that seems to signify that Greer's friends are all dead because there was another black op cancer-causing attack?
Or is there something else I'm not getting?
(Thanks.)
I know what you mean, Modwiz, by this:
There is something about his vibration that feels a little bit 'different' or tweaked? Can't quite put my finger on it. I mean this in all sincerity.
I wonder too. He says that he has had Contact since he was a child. I wonder if he is some kind of hybrid or if his DNA has been tweaked somehow.
I really don't doubt that he is sincere, though he may not be telling us all he knows, or perhaps there is some important missing piece he doesn't know himself.
I'm thinking more the latter...

[Maia Gabrial]

Greer thought that Obama would bring about Disclosure. Was promised it, but it didn't happen (like all of his promises).
In view of being attacked the way he has, I wonder if he sees Obama in a different light now....?

[grapevine]

If I have to have one over the other, it would be free energy over disclosure. The latter is inevitable, the former is being held in abeyance to our, and the planets', detriment.

In my mind I know they both exist, it is free energy that would effect our lives in practical ways immediately.

Agreed Modwiz. I wonder what we'd find to fight about then . . . and we would . . . (that could be the subject of a whole hundred new threads!) :)

[Nice1]

Although I thought it was a great idea and nice to have more research made public - the idea of disclosure is IMO not a concept that works. The data exists to show beyond any reasonable doubt that we are being interacted with / visited by beings of unknown origins however you cannot force anyone to change their mind and many people are purposefully closed minded to the concept. Most likely because they have never gotten past fear of it. The concept that creatures more advanced than us visit us, abduct us and we are completely at their mercy is not something the human mind can easily accept.

It is gradually becoming more widely known, understood and accepted but the people who wish to ignore it always will no matter who tells them what story or shows them evidence. Luckily for us over the past 100 years its gone form almost nobody accepting it to the majority accepting we may be being visited. Thats a massive turn around its just a gradual process.

I hope to see a complete openness on the matter in my lifetime but I don't think its likely unless the beings should choose to make that happen. IMO they have no need or desire to do such a thing. They clearly either have their own agenda and/or care not to confront us en mass in public for whatever reasons. The go about their own agenda and if we choose to acknowldege them its each individuals choice.

[The One]

Reminds me a bit about Dan Burisch he's gone off the map a bit

[DouglasDanger]

Reminds me a bit about Dan Burisch he's gone off the map a bit

Dan burned his bridge to reality when he started making his highschool drama video's with his wife Marcy.. Lost all respect for him when the first one was posted to his site. I do not recomend viewing them .. My brain is still crying for me to stab the memories out of it with a Q tip...

[PathWalker]

I have a strong feeling about Dr Greer that his motivation is not 100% altruistic (serving others).
I cannot say how and why, just since the interview with project Camelot. My heart started the agenda alarm.

[PathWalker]

Maybe it just serves as an excuse.. The credentials of the guys witnessing, the fact that Greer briefed Clinton's team makes it very hard to beat in terms of seriousness, of credibility. If this guys can't make it.. who can... They just impose the consensus that there is nothing more to do about it, since there is ZERO outcome from their enterprise in ten years.

It was too good to be true (as a movement, not talking about the witness's testimonies), Greer looks more like a CIA asset to me than a doctor...

It is simple, if you cant beat them join them strategy.
Once he got too much information to be dismissed and ridiculed. They embraced him with the bear hug, paralyzing his impact. Allowing him access to the visible leadership, but not making any impact.
It is true, disclosure will not come from the controllers, it will come from the people and the ET.

[PathWalker]

I don't quite understand where this is going.
I'm assuming you are aware that Greer and his good friend Sheri Adamiak were subject to a black op attack which gave them both a very particular type of cancer that accelerated impossibly fast, killing her, and convincing Greer that he was only going to survive if he started taking really good care of himself, which is when the working out regime began.
I was in on that controversial thread about Greer some time ago, after his contentious interview with Kerry, and I was one of the members trying to get to the truth about the gay smear campaign (if that was what it was) and much else.
Finally, it just seemed that the trail grew cold and there was nothing new to report.
But I was assured by someone who knows him well that he is not gay at all, quite the opposite, and I believed that, mostly because the person was so sincere and seemed quite savvy, though I didn't care whether Greer was gay or not, I just wanted to know if he was perhaps being blackmailed or compromised in some way, and if so, why and how it might be affecting his work.
I was not aware of any news since then.
Where in Wade's thread is there news about Greer? (It's a very long thread.)
Is there news that seems to signify that Greer's friends are all dead because there was another black op cancer-causing attack?
Or is there something else I'm not getting?
(Thanks.)
I know what you mean, Modwiz, by this:
There is something about his vibration that feels a little bit 'different' or tweaked? Can't quite put my finger on it. I mean this in all sincerity.
I wonder too. He says that he has had Contact since he was a child. I wonder if he is some kind of hybrid or if his DNA has been tweaked somehow.
I really don't doubt that he is sincere, though he may not be telling us all he knows, or perhaps there is some important missing piece he doesn't know himself.
I'm thinking more the latter...

Thanks for this post, I appreciate Greer more now. More then that now I am more confident that he is controlled. More then he was 10 years ago.
Yet he is not powerless and he got some string attached.

[onawah]

That makes perfect sense. Thanks PW.


Maybe it just serves as an excuse.. The credentials of the guys witnessing, the fact that Greer briefed Clinton's team makes it very hard to beat in terms of seriousness, of credibility. If this guys can't make it.. who can... They just impose the consensus that there is nothing more to do about it, since there is ZERO outcome from their enterprise in ten years.

It was too good to be true (as a movement, not talking about the witness's testimonies), Greer looks more like a CIA asset to me than a doctor...

It is simple, if you cant beat them join them strategy.
Once he got too much information to be dismissed and ridiculed. They embraced him with the bear hug, paralyzing his impact. Allowing him access to the visible leadership, but not making any impact.
It is true, disclosure will not come from the controllers, it will come from the people and the ET.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I know someone who worked very closely with Greer and who accompanied him on several of his group trips to contact ET's. She claims he is not gay. I spent many hours with this person as well as Greer's personal assistant. They both worshiped him in a way that bordered on - let's say "Very Strange".

I attended one of his seminars years ago: My observation was: Ego, Ego , Ego. This man surrounds himself with a huge entourage of worshipers - and if you question him, you are no longer in his "In Group". While I don't doubt his original contact with ET's, it has been my experience that once ego takes over, all communication either stops or becomes warped through ego desires.

[Mulder]

It seems I've found out more about disclosure of ETs by my own research, than the Disclosure Project has in 10 years! I'm being cynical, but it seems the Disclosure Project has simply "wasted everyone's time" for 10 years and come up with little real evidence. Perhaps in this Orwellian world, it's done what it was set-out to do - to NOT disclose much.

[modwiz]

It seems I've found out more about disclosure of ETs by my own research, than the Disclosure Project has in 10 years! I'm being cynical, but it seems the Disclosure Project has simply "wasted everyone's time" for 10 years and come up with little real evidence. Perhaps in this Orwellian world, it's done what it was set-out to do - to NOT disclose much.

The Disclosure Project has very well attended conferences. It's a living, if you know what I'm saying here.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

It seems I've found out more about disclosure of ETs by my own research, than the Disclosure Project has in 10 years! I'm being cynical, but it seems the Disclosure Project has simply "wasted everyone's time" for 10 years and come up with little real evidence. Perhaps in this Orwellian world, it's done what it was set-out to do - to NOT disclose much.

The Disclosure Project has very well attended conferences. It's a living, if you know what I'm saying here.

And, along with the books, a very good living, I suspect, if it replaced the income of an emergency room doctor. And yes, I know, it's perfectly justifiable to charge for these things, on the other hand, if disclosure happens, one might lose their job of predicting it and suggesting that they have an in or special contact with ET's that the rest of us don't.

[ghostrider]

all the military witnesses, the pedigree list of educated men, scientist, and such that spoke directly to the media, and the controllers tell the media what to report and what to bury. the media marches right along with the slave masters and they think they are a free press ??? that press conference could have been epic, running special reports nightly with each witness, and bring in the scientist and such to support the claims, with graphics and sound bites and such. BUT NO , BACK TO OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED MIND CONTROL PROGRAMMING.

[Barron]

Surely if anyone could have genuinely brought a free energy machine to market it should have been Dr Greer? Especially seeing all of his contacts and media alternative media attention re his cause? Yet still, no such machine has been presented by his organisation - very disappointing. Must say, that makes me a tad suspicious.

[Cjay]

There are some who dislike the ideas given by those who talk about Dr. Greer's alleged extra curricular activities in the gay arena. I don't really care, but there were quite a few posts about it at one time and it seemed things cooled off right about that time.

Very predictable gay demonisation aimed at homophobes and religious nutters.

[efields]

It has been controlled by off world sources from the beginning. Greer is a Cog in a Wheel, we all are. When it is in their interest to actually Disclose, rest assured they will.

[efields]

Its all the same thing.. Thats part of the 'Problem"

[PathWalker]

It has been controlled by off world sources from the beginning. Greer is a Cog in a Wheel, we all are. When it is in their interest to actually Disclose, rest assured they will.

It will never be their interest to disclose.
It will happen against/despite their will, without their control.

[mojo]

This is another recent interview. So far it's pretty much the same info and that's a curiosity to me...I want to hear fresh info about a project. What is going on today? The story of is uncle designing the lunar module is played out...Dr Greer please pass the baton if you are being held back by external forces. Remember your misssion was a good one.

PS. He never heard of the Georgia Guidestones? I guess he doesn't watch our threads...:)

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[kersley]

If I have to have one over the other, it would be free energy over disclosure. The latter is inevitable, the former is being held in abeyance to our, and the planets', detriment.

In my mind I know they both exist, it is free energy that would effect our lives in practical ways immediately.

Free energy? why would they allow us to have free energy when they can charge ridiculous prices for what we're already getting? I would rather disclosure. bring it all down and start over again making it fair for all..

[modwiz]

If I have to have one over the other, it would be free energy over disclosure. The latter is inevitable, the former is being held in abeyance to our, and the planets', detriment.

In my mind I know they both exist, it is free energy that would effect our lives in practical ways immediately.

Free energy? why would they allow us to have free energy when they can charge ridiculous prices for what we're already getting? I would rather disclosure. bring it all down and start over again making it fair for all..

We see things differently. My preference for one does not mean the other wouldn't be just fine with me. My view may even be misguided.

[Corncrake]

I don't know what Dr Greer is about now but I thought the information released in the original Disclosure Project interviews was amazing and some of the best witness testimony out there and yes, in the early days he really did go through a hell of a lot. I followed his progress quite regularly up until about 18 months ago and then I have to admit I got bored! It was always a re-hash of old material or the discussion of UFO sightings on one of his expeditions which never really amounted to much - obviously much better if you are there. Now I was really keen to go on one of these and when he visited the UK a few years ago I thought I would be able to afford it not having to include flights to the US but it was still phenomenally expensive so I drove myself down to Wiltshire just for the lecture. The lecture was just same old stale information I had heard ten times before and the images he showed I had seen on the DVD I already had. Apart from the fact that I met some interesting people there it was a disappointment .... and yes he was surrounded by his usual group of female followers. I really don't like the in fighting between some groups or personalities on the UFO circuit - I strongly feel everyone should pull together to get disclosure - but there are some big ego's out there and not just Dr. Greer's. FWIW Richard Dolan appears to be one of the most objective and critical researchers on the scene at the moment. Dr Greer had practised meditation since he was a teenager and there was often a highly spiritual side to his UFO encounters - particularly at the time when Sheri Adamiak died. I think this may be one of the reasons he is so opposed to the idea that there may be 'bad' aliens out there - he believes they are lower dimensional or astral beings.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Bingo! Richard Dolan - I agree with Morning Star, he's one of the most objective, and doesn't appear to have a big ego or ulterior motives other than finding the truth and exposing it.

[mojo]

Dr Greer and Ted Loder discuss behind the scenes on the space program.
topics include;
-the Shuttle program ends with no viable alternative
-secret space program
-internal struggle with disclosure


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[mojo]

Dr. Steve Greer and Dr. Ted Loder share about energy and where we are today on the technologies...

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[aranuk]

A very good piece of information here Mojo. Thank you. Dr Greer was very helpful in giving the world some advice in regard to free energy disclosure and hints to keep alive.

Stan

[Phoenix1304]

Greeting Mojo and All

I listened to this as the subject is of great interest to me and would love to know more about the alleged super efficient solar panel technology that was suppressed 40 years ago. If any has more info on that, I'd appreciate it.

Also, I saw the Camelot interview with Dr. Greer and found him erudite, positive and wanted to hear more. I felt Kerry had a 'bee in her bonnet', she repeatedly didn't allow him to finish and I thought it was one of the worst interviews she'd done. Then, the reasons for it came out.

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I don't know if Bill will see this, but I'd like to know what he, or anyone else, has to say about Dr. Greer and the Disclosure Project now? Has the question 'who is he working for?' been answered yet? While generally I'm very impressed with him, the invitation to his expensive 'Ambassador to the Universe' trainings (as at the end of this interview) always leaves something of the proverbial bad taste in my mouth and the question mark over his head flashes red.

[gooty64]

I couldn't stomach watching Emergency room Dr. Greer again. Besides what does being an E.R. DR. have to do with disclosure?

I have a "sinking" feeling about Steven Greer.

I would appreciate to know Bill Ryan's thoughts on Greer's role.

Is Greer in the business of disclosing or is he the upfront guy for containing/distracting?

Do so many people want Greer dead, like Greer brags about or is Greer "protected"---if you catch my drift...?

[Leon]

As was said, people need to change their way of thinking...

But that means they need to come out of their comfort zone which has been created for them...

oh no... you must be kidding...

We need to shake and rock these people out of this zone...

black box has been the best brain washer invented...

[The One]

Yep listened to this before mojo its fantastic going to add it to my website

Just go to show for so long they have supppresed this from us

cheers

[brenie]

Hello Friends, any discussion on 'free' or nearly free energy these days would have to mention Andrea Rossi.
The e-cat, and the way Rossi has launched it to market has put the establishment (you know those folk who are able to destroy any good idea, that does'nt belong to their paymasters) in a panic.
If you have'nt followed the e-cat saga, then google it.

Best regards, Brenie.

[ljwheat]

:yield:Mojo, The Free energy info as well as other inventions have been around for decades, I grew up in the 50s and people were coming out with devices that when used would get you 100 mile to the gallon of gas, even on a big over sized Cadillac.

The only way to have or poses any of this stuff is to build it and use it yourself, it the selling or trying to get rich off any of this stuff your cutting into the monopoly’s that govern that cash bag already in place.

Anytime you want to test the water, you simply stick your toes in it. Cold (no money to be made) Hot (some ones already making a ton of money stay out)

Or follow the money trail, bottom lines are hard to cover up and are there for all to see. But if the one with the money is getting you to look the other way and your asleep to the money key that opens the doors to there secret agenda’s .

All you see is the fluff and smoke coming out of there mouths, and all the diamonds and gold in there left hand were all your attention is focused,---- while the right hand is digging into your life and back pocket for spare change.

The best way to fool the town folk is to take a cowboy and dress him up as a Indian, - 911 or take the Indian and dress him up as a cowboy or the night in shining armor, ie,--Sheldan Nidal or Steven Greer to keep the town folk busy or distracted at the same time cleaning out all the recourses, money, and freedoms one by one with all these good cop bad cop games.

Haven’t you wondered why? Even though they give you very good sounding explanations on why they never deliver the chuck wagon full of goodies there sitting on, as they show it off every time they ride into town and all of us go oooooooooww aaaaaaaaah ------ and our eye’s get as big as silver dollars and our chin hit’s the floor.

Waking up and moving out of that town, and into another town doesn’t mean your still awake, to this crap, but just fell back to sleep as that town you just moved to just really resonates with you now and can relax now and go back to sleep.

Sheldan, Greer, Billy Gram, Obama, Pope, Queen, King, Michal More, Burny Madeoff the list of cow boys ridding into town holding an olive branch in one hand and unfulfilled promises in the opposite.

Slight or hand or is it slight of mind on our part that we continue to get locked into our own houses, all over again and again. I’m broke and looking for hand outs, and coming down a street near you, opening this Friday a new show in town.:bs:

Shouldn’t you at least check out the horse he’s ridding in on? When we are starving to death (planed ) and some one shows up with any kind of eatables (planed) If it wasn’t fool proof it wouldn’t work. ?/?/?//? Look who has the money, and why we keep giving it to them. ??? :sleep:

Namaste John XXX

[Corncrake]

Mojo - thanks for posting. Another very interesting update from Greer and Loder on FE. This topic is of such importance to us all - one of my favourite site's is Wader Frazier's - A Healed Planet. Let's hope this is what 2012 will prove to be all about - the realization of free energy. I have listened to some of the vitriolic remarks made about Dr Greer over the years with incredulity though I guess it goes with the territory. While I do have some issues over Dr Greer - such as the highs price of his CSETI expeditions - I am not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater! I think the Disclosure Project was an amazing feat which unfortunately didn't get the attention it deserved being followed only 6 months later by the events of September 11. His book Hidden Truth Forbidden Knowledge details an amazing life and he has had some close brushes with death. I believe his deep spirituality has probably saved him or maybe he does have ET's protecting him as has Bob Dean and I believe Pete Peterson.

[mojo]

Another great listen with Dr Greer and Colin Andrews
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[stardustaquarion]

This is a C2C with John Michael Greer, starts at 40 mins


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRCIwU_L_s8

A lot of common sence here, well worth listening. Greer says the apocalypse is a control memme used by governments and it is not going to happen :clap2:

[mojo]

Posted to help others wanting to see UFO's/ET's. This interview is one of Dr. Greers recent discussions with Marilyn on peaceful contact, on Feb. 24, 2012. Dr. Greers information has helped me understand my own ongoing event better then any other researcher. Not all his info I agree on, but a good majority resonates. One counterpoint though, I disagree with him about the good and bad ET debate

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video description:
Dr. Greer will be joined by Marilyn Gewacke whose infectious enthusiasm about the use of the CSETI protocols cannot help but energize you.

Here's how she describes this week's topic: "I would love to discuss the subtleties of using our thought consciousness in making contact with ETs as well as the subtleties of ET communication with us. The obvious contact is full 3D manifestation but actually it is imperative to understand the crucial work we must do to expand our own consciousness within our own internal world as well as inter dimensionally. Using (Dr. Greer's) protocol, we can begin to emerge into our greater potential as human beings; activating our ability to perceive subtle levels of energy, sound and Light."

[foreverfan]

Many interesting points.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PZ1zfFJGDo&feature=related

[MorningSong]

Sorry if this has already been posted....a bit out of my area of expertise, but I thought some might want to know:

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[olgraybear]

Thanks MorningSong

[wynderer]

S Greer says that all ETs are benevolent -- most of the 'Exopolitics' crowd do also -- maybe all

[Maia Gabrial]

I just spent 3 hrs listening to Steven Greer's lectures. I have to say that he's a very interesting man. And I think you can liken him to James Gilliland in that he's had a couple of NDE's, too; and lots of encounters with ET's/ED's.... I don't think he's ever had an encounter with malevolent aliens that's why his attitude about them are positive. He does his meditations and protocols and has great experiences. I thought it was interesting to note that he met a guy who worked at one of those govt places where they manufactured the "aliens" that are being used to abduct and frighten the crap out of people....

He's faced numerous death threats and one actual attempt that he survived. It STILL didn't scare him off, though....He definitely believes these are NOT the times to back down from getting the word out. What a guy!

[Maia Gabrial]

If anyone's interested in hearing Dr. Greer:

The X-Conference: Hidden Truth - Forbidden Knowledge - Steven Greer....
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And here's a 4-parter called Steven Greer - What's really going on

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He definitely is worth listening to. Even explains WHY Kennedy's and Marilyn Monroe were murdered....

[Vitalux]

S Greer says that all ETs are benevolent -- most of the 'Exopolitics' crowd do also -- maybe all

I am not so sure of this statement of yours....there are a lot of alien abductees that find encountering the ET's to be a pain in the butt....especially when they have a rather large anal probe jammed in places where the sun never shines :eek:

[mojo]

I don't think he's ever had an encounter with malevolent aliens that's why his attitude about them are positive.

Thanks Maia,
After watching much of Dr Greer's info I got the feeling that he got shoe-horned into supporting the positive ET agenda based on his opposition to duality, good vs. bad. Imagine what he has come up against and how frustrating it must be when dealing with powers that want to remain secret.

[wynderer]

wondering if you are male, a man, Vitalux -- the idea of anal probes seems to really bother men more then women

to make myself clear re Greer -- he is lying & part of some agenda when he says that 'all ETs are benevolent'
-- the video Vivek has been posting & i've been re-posting makes the point that only those vetted by the NWO speak about ETs/UFOs at venues such as the National Press Club --

someone wants Humans to think all ETs are benevolent



S Greer says that all ETs are benevolent -- most of the 'Exopolitics' crowd do also -- maybe all

I am not so sure of this statement of yours....there are a lot of alien abductees that find encountering the ET's to be a pain in the butt....especially when they have a rather large anal probe jammed in places where the sun never shines :eek:

[Mike Gorman]

I do not believe anyone would like their Anus to be probed without their consent, or knowledge Wynderer, regardless of gender! Steven Greer has managed to assemble his large group of 'Whistle-blowers' mainly because of his credibility as an Emergency Medicine Physician, he is certainly a man of persistence and persuasion. The testimony of the people involved with the Disclosure project is absolutely compelling, and often runs counter to their master's wishes; I imagine that event in 2001 did not go unnoticed in certain corridors of power. The main 'Beef' alternative folks seem to have with S.Greer is his 'Benevolent ET' stance; is this naive, or sinister? I certainly do not know. I simply do not know if some ET's are hostile-and have been working behind the scenes with the shadow government (Valiant Thor was an Evangelist from Venus?). Steven Greer has one of the better games going in town, I will look on with interest.

[wynderer]

one of the better games indeed ...




I do not believe anyone would like their Anus to be probed without their consent, or knowledge Wynderer, regardless of gender! Steven Greer has managed to assemble his large group of 'Whistle-blowers' mainly because of his credibility as an Emergency Medicine Physician, he is certainly a man of persistence and persuasion. The testimony of the people involved with the Disclosure project is absolutely compelling, and often runs counter to their master's wishes; I imagine that event in 2001 did not go unnoticed in certain corridors of power. The main 'Beef' alternative folks seem to have with S.Greer is his 'Benevolent ET' stance; is this naive, or sinister? I certainly do not know. I simply do not know if some ET's are hostile-and have been working behind the scenes with the shadow government (Valiant Thor was an Evangelist from Venus?). Steven Greer has one of the better games going in town, I will look on with interest.

[Maia Gabrial]

You have to wonder how many people actually experienced those manufactured "aliens" that our govt fabricates? I think that their sole purpose IS to scare the crap out of people, harm them and turn them against the benevolent ET's even before they have a chance to meet them.... Is it working? I'd say most people are pretty frightened, but then wouldn't they be frightened of ANYTHING that would harm them, not just fake-aliens?
Dr. Greer said that he's been approached to join the cabal, offered lucrative money to shut up and go away; and then death threats when he refused to cooperate.... NOW they're trying to ruin his credibility any way possible. So, maybe we should listen to what he has to say, instead of the campaign of lies....


Dr. Greer said his experiences have shown that as soon as people show any kind of fear of the ET's/ED's presence they back off right away.... However, the malevolent ones haven't got the consciousness or decency to do the same.... Big difference....

Dr. Greer and James Gilliland, both use meditations and protocols as preparations before contact. I'm thinking that this ensures a positive experience with the benevolent ones....

If you think about it, whenever you do anything with the supernatural, you always surround yourself with protection. This is no different....

[mojo]

Dr. Greer said his experiences have shown that as soon as people show any kind of fear of the ET's/ED's presence they back off right away....

I concur...not that my words have any weight as much as Dr. Greer...;)

[Ultima Thule]

In short Steven Greer is in contact with a team that has the possession of possible deceased ET life form. They are in process of doing scientific evaluation on the body to determine its origin. Yes there is a money plea, let´s skip that, shall we. ;) I´ve added emphasis

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If you can assist further with funding the campaign for Sirius we will attempt to carry out this scientific inquiry, however daunting it may be. We are currently investigating what these costs will be, but they will certainly be in the tens of thousands of dollars and perhaps more.

Dr. Bravo, myself, Dr. Ted Loder, Professor Emeritus University of New Hampshire, and other scientists who wish to remain confidential will be doing the examinations and testing. A top DNA lab will be engaged for appropriate DNA evaluation.

The only reason I mention this sensitive matter at this time is that in order for this possible ET body to be properly evaluated and disclosed in “Sirius” – which is planned for completion in December 2012- we must act immediately. We will need your help with funding this and the rest of “Sirius”. And we cannot buy the safety and security that millions of people knowing about what we are doing can afford. Shadowy classified projects would prefer for us not to proceed, just as they wished that we not proceed with DisclosureProject.org in 2001. But we did. And we are here to tell the tale because millions of people knew what we were doing well before that historic event.

You the public are our shield. You are our protectors, along with providence. While the testing will be confidential and done very discreetly until results are known- the fact that we are pursuing this evidence must be known by millions of people in order for us to be protected. Tell everyone you know-now.

The worst case scenario is that this being is not what it appears to be. But if it is: My God!

Please help us if you can.

[gooty64]

:ufo:
What is the price for disclosure?

I think Greer is dragging out disclosure for nefarious reasons. He started CSETI 21 years ago and the Disclosure(Distraction) Project 11 years ago. And what do we have to show for it?

The PTB want you to wait another 6 months or year or two for Greer's movie to come out. If we get that far, my hunch is the movie will be incredibly vague with a few crumbs of interesting half-arsed disclosure.

[Kano]

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[Bill Ryan]

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$250,000 and high production values are not needed to release earth-shattering evidence for the reality of an ET body.

Given access to the scientists and the body, I could make a paradigm-changing video myself with my $1000 Sony camcorder, a couple of wireless Lavalier mikes, Final Cut Pro, and my iMac. And I'd do the whole thing by the end of next week. :)

[SilentFeathers]

A good friend of mines brother used to be a body guard for Mr. Greer, ......you'all can believe what you want about him, but in a nut shell I personally do not consider him a reliable source.

[jack]

:ufo:
What is the price for disclosure?

I think Greer is dragging out disclosure for nefarious reasons. He started CSETI 21 years ago and the Disclosure(Distraction) Project 11 years ago. And what do we have to show for it?

The PTB want you to wait another 6 months or year or two for Greer's movie to come out. If we get that far, my hunch is the movie will be incredibly vague with a few crumbs of interesting half-arsed disclosure.

Disclosure is actually quite expensive to fund. Every human being needs to spend a large majority of their time working so that they will have enough food to eat and keep a roof over their heads. Shooting a movie requires many different kinds of people who specialize in a wide variety of fields and all of those people have bills to pay. In order to get anything done in this world it costs money, you can take that from someone who's profession is one of a general trader. It costs money just to move a large object from one place to another if you don't possess the proper equipment to do it yourself. Everything costs money.

With a bit of experience in advertising I can well understand that the costs of promoting such a gig to the extent of it being commonly known can be astronomical. To have even the minimum amount of advertising can be very expensive.

[jack]

At the end of the day people want this information out there yet they refuse to support the vocations that can make it a reality.

While they will happily pay for their daily dose of sodium fluoride in order to keep their teeth shiny.

[Agape]

Believe them ? No . Please help us if you can hmmm


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$250,000 and high production values are not needed to release earth-shattering evidence for the reality of an ET body.

Given access to the scientists and the body, I could make a paradigm-changing video myself with my $1000 Sony camcorder, a couple of wireless Lavalier mikes, Final Cut Pro, and my iMac. And I'd do the whole thing by the end of next week. :)


See the money is an important factor of its own . It's an empty value .

They have smelly corps of an old cat in their garage ..




:alien:

[modwiz]

At the end of the day people want this information out there yet they refuse to support the vocations that can make it a reality.

While they will happily pay for their daily dose of sodium fluoride in order to keep their teeth shiny.

People do not pay for the flouride willingly. Their satanic governments at every level are using public funds to purchase toxic waste. There is no need to fund disclosure either, it just needs to not be suppressed by the self same satanists above. Stop making sh!t up!

Having a bad hair day? :confused:

[freespirit]

A good friend of mines brother used to be a body guard for Mr. Greer, ......you'all can believe what you want about him, but in a nut shell I personally do not consider him a reliable source.

And who is a reliable source ?

After 60+yrs of concerted dis-info campaigns spanning the globe.Including every ABC intellegence agency you could think of.
All the networks are controlled by the money men.They have it locked up tighter than nun.

I new as soon as steven greer name was mentioned you would all start queuing up.

[freespirit]

Tis the season to bash.

Last week it was Michau Kaku
This week it's Dr Steven Greer

Who's next ?

[freespirit]

Divide and conquer is the oldest stratagem in the book.

[freespirit]

Dis emanate the info......'how can I put this ?'..

Don't shoot the ****ing messenger.

I deliver parcels for a living.It's not my beef you if' you recieved the thing' you didn't order.

Are we getting the picture yet !

[shadowstalker]

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$250,000 and high production values are not needed to release earth-shattering evidence for the reality of an ET body.

Given access to the scientists and the body, I could make a paradigm-changing video myself with my $1000 Sony camcorder, a couple of wireless Lavalier mikes, Final Cut Pro, and my iMac. And I'd do the whole thing by the end of next week. :)

I think most of us could at this point if we had the body, It doesn't really take much for us do to anything these days, I think most of us who make videos has proved that over and over again and with more info....

I don't think it should be much in the end if it is truthful..

I would still like to know why so much money for a discloser video..

Would he even bother to put it on mass television? prolly not....

Would we have to pay for a copy so he can get back his money?

Ya a price to pay for disclosure 250K in donations..

[Ultima Thule]

What I found interesting in Stevens blog entry was that it was not a hint of a body, but a claim of actual tangible body that might make it to being classified as ET in origin. Steven is a MD and he claims to have seen the body, I guess he would recognize a human being of local origin when confronted with one.

So he is not vague, but instead goes out on a limb and states that there is an actual body, which he himself has seen and doesn´t consider human and that it can and will be scientifically studied. He claims this to be a fact that will produce results - which ever way, human, ET or a cat, was it? :p


UT

[Dennis Jonathan]

Greer is either greedy, ignorant, or a complete farce.

Evidence is astounding.

I agree with the points made that we should support those in alternative media if we are able.

I support Red Ice Radio (5 euro a month). I've donated to Bill, and other Independant AM sources when able.

Dr Greer is not looking for support, he is looking for a fortune.

Compare the costs of visiting CSETI vs. ESETI.

Take a look at the production quality of any presentation on UFOTVSTUDIES YouTube chan.

If you have a game changing find, you do not bury it in the sand until you receive adequate funding.

How much do you think the top 10 most viewed YouTube vids cost to produce?

If it is real, it will go viral without a marketing campaign and a 7 foot tall cardboard cut out of S Greer, MD.

[Christine]

Tis the season to bash.

Last week it was Michau Kaku
This week it's Dr Steven Greer

Who's next ?

Bashing Dr. Greer or Michau Kaku is not the point of this thread. Discernment and intelligence is however a quality that we all need to hone. If Dr. Greer's motivations are being questioned, then one might assume there is reason to do so.

Or are we suppose to take what he proposes as gospel?

[Mike Gorman]

To be fair, 250 grand is not much to produce a comprehensive, docu-style film-Greer speaks of having a large body of footage
and evidence to present, not just the alleged 'ET Body', material that has been amassed over the years. True not much seems to have
happened since the Washington Press club disclosure event, which was pretty good at the time-unprecedented even, credible speakers.
I will watch the film and determine position. But i do not think much of his 'ambassador training' events, all a bit New Age tourist for my tastes.

[shadowstalker]

I have no qualms when it comes to making money to pay the bills and food on the table..
Write a book and make money lulu.com free publishing and your own advertising , Steve Greer is a big name all he has to do is make a minimum vid and post it on his site and it would spread like wild fire and we all know this. So add space is free in that respect. Don't even need to advertise on tv for that.. word of mouth is a miracle and a charm to get the real job done.

As for the rest as in equipment, give me a break most of the vids they use on tv for these ufo shows, come straight from youtube and I don't see many complaints about it.. More free advertising..

As for specialist give me another break, if these folks truly want to disclose anything there time would be for free..

This so called movie would give them so much press they wouldn't know what to do with it..
I am sure Bill knows what I mean by this...

I am sure Bill knows what I mean by this as well.
I don't see him asking for 100s of K's to do his filming or his sites and yet he himself is known world wide. I have never known him to withhold info in lue of money and yet he still pays his bills and I am sure eats well...

it makes my heart cry knowing that folks want the world to change and yet they themselves do nothing to make it happen in lue of these types of events..

You can't have both ways

[Operator]

Money will stay the problem in this world as long as we believe in its value ... period !

Some people say bartering is as old as people's history defending the existence of money.
But bartering is absolutely not the same as exchange of money ! When bartering you exchange
one or more items for other item(s) you consider to be of the same value.

Money is the means for the extra step in between where there is supposedly an exact value
enforced by government. That's the "legal tender" statement.
But it is only that ... it has no value, you must accept it otherwise the law enforcement guys
with guns show up. You are forced to believe in it !

A very good example is the mortgage scam ... banks loan you the money to buy a house. But in
reality the contract is worthless. You hand them the house as collateral and they do not exchange
it with some of equal value. Only a stack of paper with digits printed on it or digits in a computer.

Donkeys maybe stupid for pulling carriages by walking behind the carrot on a stick. But at the end
of the day they get the carrot and at least it is real. We humans do the dirty work of the overlords
helping them to get out of here. But we walk behind a fictional projected stack of worthless paper
called money. It's not even real. We don't even get a carrot ... we're just left with the illusion.

If we would burn all the money in this world today would that leave us with less resources on the planet ? No !
Everything we need is already here ... so don't let them tell you that the very existence of a certain amount of money would enable things etc.

[gooty64]

A very good example is the mortgage scam ... banks loan you the money to buy a house. But in
reality the contract is worthless. You hand them the house as collateral and they do not exchange
it with some of equal value. Only a stack of paper with digits printed on it or digits in a computer.


Yeah when you sign the 30 year mortgage it should really say,

"we will help you buy a house as long as you buy the bank two houses in the meantime"

And OP regarding Greer, I was high on Greer for a few weeks when I first found him a couple years ago.

But now the sinking feeling with him gets worse all the time.

[Little Ishta]

I for one do not have 'Sucker' written on my forehead. He does not need more money. Come to think of it.... if he wants us to help 'fund' this project... why not release this Sirius now... and if enough people believe then they can contribute more. Why wait until they have more money?? If Disclosure is so important release it now.

[shadowstalker]

I almost feel like I should make up a PETITION to have S.G. and his friends disclose what they KNOW..

I mean isn't that what he wanted from the government????????:confused:

Seems like a double standard to me...

[RMorgan]

Well, in my opinion, if he wants 250.000, he should at least show us something.

Who would be stupid enough to donate to a project that may not even exist?

Some pictures or short amateur videos of this "alien" would be enough for a start.

For now, he´s sounding just like "Cobra" and his reverse timeline froot loop machine, or whatever he calls that machine that needs U$1000 donations to heal planetary timelines.

Raf.

[Flash]

Well, I have a very different point of view here.

It seems to me that Greer HAS RECEIVED the mandate to disclose. Of course, PTB always uses our money for everything, so they would not pay for that one either, and furhermore, if they did, it would look too suspicious. So, Greer is asking for the publics to fund the disclosure.

If he has a real body, wow, what else better would you like to start disclosure??

My say on it: we have paid for absolutely everything up to now, and third world has paid more than its share, the secrets have been paid for. If we are at a bare 250K for the remaining in order to disclose, lets do it. On a financial corporate point of view, this is very little money.

So yes, lets have it done once and for all so we can move on with the rest of the hidden technology disclosure.

[Bill Ryan]

It seems to me that Greer HAS RECEIVED the mandate to disclose.

The problem is that Greer has hardly disclosed a single thing since 2001 -- not even in the province of free energy. (There, he asks for funds for that as well, and makes similar claims that he has access to a working device, etc etc etc). But nothing is ever disclosed.

I was serious about what I said above: that I could make a very creditable video of whatever he has access to in ten days flat, for the cost of an airfare and accommodation, with modest (but perfectly adequate) equipment, and some skilled editing on Final Cut Pro. (FCP, in good hands, is absolutely good enough to make a theater-quality movie.)

Test this hypothesis:

That he is sitting on material in the public domain (kind of 'capturing it', if you will), and not disclosing it. That hypothesis can be supported by quite a lot of circumstantial evidence.

On top of that, in his 2009 Barcelona Exopolitics conference presentation, which Kerry and I witnessed in person, he made three, definitive, untrue statements. (Watch it on YouTube and see.)





There are no ETs visiting Earth who are not benevolent.
There are no abductions which are not MILABs (military abductions).
The US has no current relationships with any ET race.

In our interview with him -- the next morning -- Kerry and I challenged him hard, Kerry especially so. It was not a good interview (in fact, it was one of the few that I'd like to have done again).

But no-one else had ever called out Greer publicly -- although a number of UFO researchers told us privately and off-record (including some figures who are highly respected) that they had serious doubts about him.

By the end of that year, Camelot was pretty much destroyed.

Now, back to that hypothesis...

[shadowstalker]

There are no ETs visiting Earth who are not benevolent.
There are no abductions which are not MILABs (military abductions).
The US has no current relationships with any ET race.

I remember that interview very well, still echos in my mind.

[K626]

Everything changed about Greer when he 'bulked up'.

peace

K

[seantimberwolf]

This just seems like even more distraction tactics .
I just hope friends on here don't fall for this BS,
We don't need this kind of stuff if it's going to cost.
Don't these people understand, we are trying to build a world without money.
Yet Dr Greer wants mine and you're to tell us what we already know.

Wake up people!!
Sean

[Agape]

What I found interesting in Stevens blog entry was that it was not a hint of a body, but a claim of actual tangible body that might make it to being classified as ET in origin. Steven is a MD and he claims to have seen the body, I guess he would recognize a human being of local origin when confronted with one.

So he is not vague, but instead goes out on a limb and states that there is an actual body, which he himself has seen and doesn´t consider human and that it can and will be scientifically studied. He claims this to be a fact that will produce results - which ever way, human, ET or a cat, was it? :p


UT



It's a big statement from someone out there and there are two possibilities ..

if it was true then it can do in BBC news . It's fine with me, anyones testimonies if they know what they speak about and are at least as sincere as anyone would be confronting these types of situation,
they deserve protection and deserve to be heard.

I don't want to put up my own case here but it's what i stand for, if the time is ready i am also ready to state what i've seen and know in front of any legal body ,
till the integrity of the data and protocols are maintained .

The only reason why me , you and others 'keep hiding' , literally or not is because we are aware and afraid that such and such protocols won't be maintained
which is a real shame and scam of 'humanity' .

Because they don't let people speak truth . So in result, everyone keeps going in rounds, around issues , keeps thinking 'how to say things not to offend this and that party' because most people won't understand so we place hope with few who can but maybe those few ..are busy with their own jobs so to say .


So can that statement really go to BBC news, I'm wondering .


If I'm MD and examine body , sure I'm pretty close to say what kind of entity ..unless it's decomposed and there was a mention of DNA testing to exclude genetic anomaly so we can expect it's anomalously looking humanoid ,
and someone claims it to be an 'ET' .

It's fine, I don't mean any bad , see how Lloyd Pye and his Starchild Project is doing with the testing, pretty great in my opinion.


I'll keep my intuition intact here . If it's not a cat it's a bird ...



;)

[Flash]

Are you hinting Bill that the destruction of Project Camelot was somewhat linked to your publicly calling out Greer's misleading approaches/statements or even fraud?

Would he be that linked to the power structure and push to be the only one with "semi official" credibility? I have a hard time thinking that an MD who could have made quite a lot of money as an MD would give his life for "reputation losing in the public eyes" carreer in UFOs. If he is that much linked, how is he getting payment in return (there has to be)? Don't I wish I would be clairvoyant or at least agile in RV to check these hypothesis.

I pretty much want to believe you Bill and I remember very well this interview with the 3, yourself, Kerry and Greer (yes Kerry was really at his throat), I wish to understand the reasons behind his group and why they would be protected by PTB, just to confuse us?? It seems awkward to me, too much energy for a small result imho. I wish to understand..

[Bill Ryan]

Are you hinting Bill that the destruction of Project Camelot was somewhat linked to your publicly calling out Greer's misleading approaches/statements or even fraud?

Would he be that linked to the power structure and push to be the only one with "semi official" credibility? I have a hard time thinking that an MD who could have made quite a lot of money as an MD would give his life for "reputation losing in the public eyes" carreer in UFOs. If he is that much linked, how is he getting payment in return (there has to be)? Don't I wish I would be clairvoyant or at least agile in RV to check these hypothesis.

I pretty much want to believe you Bill and I remember very well this interview with the 3, yourself, Kerry and Greer (yes Kerry was really at his throat), I wish to understand the reasons behind his group and why they would be protected by PTB, just to confuse us?? It seems awkward to me, too much energy for a small result imho. I wish to understand..

Fully understood. Not doing any kind of battle with you here. :)

Re what happened to Camelot (and do see the interview below, when Kerry and I talked with Mel Fabregas in detail about the whole thing) -- there were several factors that all happened pretty much at once.

Basically, we upset several groups almost simultaneously. Those connected with


Steven Greer
Pete Peterson
Dan Burisch
Jake Simpson
The Church of Scientology (re the Dane Tops (http://projectcamelot.org/dane_tops.html) interview).

That's quite a lot to contend with :) . As Charles stated when he first spoke with me -- "You've been f***ed with, Bill."

The whole story is here:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tlnuxpR40

[Strat]

A couple possibilities as I see them:

1.) He's telling the truth

2.) He's promoting this documentary so he can sell DVD's and make money. Even if it's not an alien, he'll have his name thrown out there and make money off DVD sales anyway.

If the latter proves to be true it will be a shame because it's just another video skeptics will roll their eyes at. It would be really really annoying because it would discredit the UFO community as a whole, all the while he's laughing all the way to the bank. If I see his DVD in the $5 Walmart bin I'm going to scream. Think of how many sales that would make? It's disgusting.

But hey, the former could be true as well I guess.

[shadowstalker]

it would discredit the UFO community as a whole,
i doubt it would take a hit any harder than it already has....

And what whole?

Are you talking about the big guys like MUFOn and NICAP, to late for that...

Or

Are you talking about us "little" guys that do our own disclosure..

[SilentFeathers]

It really doesn't matter now Bill, there's too many people that haven't been "lobotomized" through fluoride treatments etc., and the human being is way more adaptable that they realized......just as the sun rises everyday, so shall the truth....and more people are able to see it now than before.

[Gemini]

I don't know how credible this is but I think it's very much possible Greer is a reptilian host:

http://www.whale.to/b/greer_h.html
http://www.whale.to/c/greer.html

[shadowstalker]

I don't know how credible this is but I think it's very much possible Greer is a reptilian host:

http://www.whale.to/b/greer_h.html
http://www.whale.to/c/greer.html

Thanks for the link but i personally don't support that theory.
Tho' he MAYBE rep controlled

[gooty64]

Flash regarding,
Would he be that linked to the power structure and push to be the only one with "semi official" credibility? I have a hard time thinking that an MD who could have made quite a lot of money as an MD would give his life for "reputation losing in the public eyes" carreer in UFOs. If he is that much linked, how is he getting payment in return (there has to be)?

In one of Greers presentations he brags about turning down millions of dollars for what he knows-I think it was 4 million-he also brags about all of the death threats on his life.
Also he brags about his bodybuilding to a audience member when he is removing his suitcoat but, that's beside the point.
This information leads me to surmise that Greer is protected by the cabal/ptb and he is just confidently playing a role for the cabal and his Disclosure Project is really a "containment" Project and a "distraction" Project.
PS: Greer also mentions his wife of 30 years and his 5 daughters. Doesn't make any sense that he would risk their lives for disclosure....not buying what your selling Mr. Greer.

[SilentFeathers]

I don't know how credible this is but I think it's very much possible Greer is a reptilian host:

http://www.whale.to/b/greer_h.html
http://www.whale.to/c/greer.html

I'm sorry for being judgmental and opinionated, but please people, use some common sense! Resorting to ridiculous fairy tale delusional BS does not explain things away. greer is as human as they come and is probably deeply in debt and needs a few bucks.....and will do what it takes to get it. Not to mention, he probably needs to follow orders and the agenda too.....LOL

COMMON SENSE always to me seems to be the best drug to OD on for me.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I don't know how credible this is but I think it's very much possible Greer is a reptilian host:

http://www.whale.to/b/greer_h.html
http://www.whale.to/c/greer.html

I met SG while he was working out at Gold's Gym in Charlottesville, VA. and had a short conversation with him. When I asked him about Reptilian's, he condescendingly put his hand on my shoulder and remarked that my information was wrong. End of conversation. But he was more interested in talking with the two ladies with me.

His energy was very uncomfortable. He looks incredibly muscular and fit. With a little imagination, almost Reptilian.

[Agape]

There are no ETs visiting Earth who are not benevolent.
There are no abductions which are not MILABs (military abductions).
The US has no current relationships with any ET race.

I remember that interview very well, still echos in my mind.


There could be more points added .. I have no personal commitment or un-commitment with Steven Greer , I respect his effort in opening the grounds for communication about the ET - Human issue ,

at least that I think is what he struggled for and for what many of us strive for as well and as we all know,
our success in this is being limited, controlled and manipulated by bigger public agendas .

I think it's actually accurately that way , 'effort' is for free .. we can produce as much and as good effort and work as we can even under pressured circumstances but outcome may turn to be little because it's what everyone is after .

They let us do our work and secure the results, that's all we're good for.


So from that perspective I'm pretty sure Dr Greer meant well and is essentially on one bandwagoon with the rest ..

and being mislead by many and we all could tell stories about it and for some or another reason ,

people tend not to admit they've been led astray easily .


To put it simply ...not all in life is about ETs . In reality, most human lives happen closed to themselves without much awareness of the Space above .
Unless one has a precise set of information that is reliable and can stand all of your tests for reality ,
'knowing a thing' from source, out or in this world is like reading a popular science booklet .

It may leave you with 'big clues' , big eyes, great ideas and lots of phantasies ..but also spiritual conviction that 'I know now' .


And that's in conclusion what I mind on many of those 'statements' , never explained in good detail so that people get a glimpse of understanding of why 1 speaker claims the opposite of 2 speaker and the 3rd would deny them all yet them all consider themselves 'deep in the code' and 'know it alls' and shake their hands at all the conferences but in reality
are not able to sit at one table , put all the facts on table and agree on a thing.

So such and such statements have to be considered having 'relative value ' , not absolute value .

They're respective to the piece-of-truth-you-defend .


I've not answered anything , I know , it always ends in some arguments here or what's not right .


:yo:

[Strat]

it would discredit the UFO community as a whole,
i doubt it would take a hit any harder than it already has....

And what whole?

Are you talking about the big guys like MUFOn and NICAP, to late for that...

Or

Are you talking about us "little" guys that do our own disclosure..

Sorry for not being more clear, it's the end of the day and I've been writing all day. All work and no play make Strat something, something...

I mean to say that Greer would be perpetuating the stigma where the UFO Community are a bunch of nuts, and people who are on the fence about UFO's would have more reason to think none of this is real (that's bad coming from me). But honestly I don't know, I may have spoke too soon. I think he does deserve respect for (what I think was) the UFO conference where he put together all the witnesses. That was stellar.

It's just that I have a serious qualm against taking anything UFO related and turning it into a market. And that's what it is now - there's no debate about that. There is a market for UFO merchandise. The market is growing and growing with the internet. I almost want things to go back to the way things were in the 90s. Ya know, without the History Channel covering UFOs, Ancient Aliens, all of that. I'm not sure that's helping at all. I wouldn't make such a big deal out of this if it wasn't a big deal. It is though. It's scary stuff.

What happens when your child keeps screaming at night, crying about nightmares of little people staring at him. Ya know, little guys poking and prodding him. You've heard the story 100 times and now it's coming from your kid. That's serious. Especially when there is NOTHING you can do about it. You can't grab your 12ga, you can't call the cops, you can't do anything. You're ****ed. So the thought of someone making money off the topic drives me up the wall.

And not to get all butt kissy but look what Bill and Kerry did with PC. There are hours and hours and hours worth of free videos (not counting the audio interviews) online. I watched most of them without spending a cent (they're all free), and there is enlightening info in them.

So that's the thought that bugs me, if the whole documentary boils down to "oops it was nothing, but keep watching the stars and checking my website for future documentaries."

[Gemini]

I'm sorry for being judgmental and opinionated, but please people, use some common sense! Resorting to ridiculous fairy tale delusional BS does not explain things away. greer is as human as they come and is probably deeply in debt and needs a few bucks.....and will do what it takes to get it. Not to mention, he probably needs to follow orders and the agenda too.....LOL

COMMON SENSE always to me seems to be the best drug to OD on for me.

I was a little hesitant about posting those links and you're probably right about it being "ridiculous fairy tale delusional BS". However, I don't consider the existence of reptilian shape-shifters to be just fantasy. Not that I've personally seen anything of the sort but based on what I've read from various sources I can't just deny it being at least a possibility. Then there's the contents of the links which is for sure questionable (as in not very scientific) but imo it's something one can consider with an open mind nevertheless. And yes, common sense is indeed needed but sometimes it can be quite limiting as well can it not?

[shadowstalker]

it would discredit the UFO community as a whole,
i doubt it would take a hit any harder than it already has....

And what whole?

Are you talking about the big guys like MUFOn and NICAP, to late for that...

Or

Are you talking about us "little" guys that do our own disclosure..

Sorry for not being more clear, it's the end of the day and I've been writing all day. All work and no play make Strat something, something...

I mean to say that Greer would be perpetuating the stigma where the UFO Community are a bunch of nuts, and people who are on the fence about UFO's would have more reason to think none of this is real (that's bad coming from me). But honestly I don't know, I may have spoke too soon. I think he does deserve respect for (what I think was) the UFO conference where he put together all the witnesses. That was stellar.

It's just that I have a serious qualm against taking anything UFO related and turning it into a market. And that's what it is now - there's no debate about that. There is a market for UFO merchandise. The market is growing and growing with the internet. I almost want things to go back to the way things were in the 90s. Ya know, without the History Channel covering UFOs, Ancient Aliens, all of that. I'm not sure that's helping at all. I wouldn't make such a big deal out of this if it wasn't a big deal. It is though. It's scary stuff.

What happens when your child keeps screaming at night, crying about nightmares of little people staring at him. Ya know, little guys poking and prodding him. You've heard the story 100 times and now it's coming from your kid. That's serious. Especially when there is NOTHING you can do about it. You can't grab your 12ga, you can't call the cops, you can't do anything. You're ****ed. So the thought of someone making money off the topic drives me up the wall.

And not to get all butt kissy but look what Bill and Kerry did with PC. There are hours and hours and hours worth of free videos (not counting the audio interviews) online. I watched most of them without spending a cent, and there is enlightening info in them.

So that's the thought that bugs me, if the whole documentary boils down to "oops it was nothing, but keep watching the stars and checking my website for future documentaries."

Yup I was thinking the same thing at my end, So NO EXPECTATIONS at my end....
And thank you for clarifying. that was awesome.

[shadowstalker]

@Agape
I've not answered anything , I know , it always ends in some arguments here or what's not right .

Well I f I have ever argued with you, I am deeply deeply sorry.....:(
But I have 1 request, could you break down what you said , it has been a long day at my end, and I freely admit I don't all together understand what your trying to relay here..

[Agape]

@Agape
I've not answered anything , I know , it always ends in some arguments here or what's not right .

Well I f I have ever argued with you, I am deeply deeply sorry.....:(
But I have 1 request, could you break down what you said , it has been a long day at my end, and I freely admit I don't all together understand what your trying to relay here..

Oh no you didn't, I'm pretty good in arguing with myself or better to say, more with the 'unseen hands' in backgrounds , rhetorical statement from me and as you say , it's the end of the day .. it's rather 2 am here .

Decent people sleep at this time don't you ;)


So I'm not sure about detailed answers on those points from my side putting things to correct perspective, in written form , on forum , against 'big statements' made by 'big Dr' at 'big conference' would bring big change .

I think if I'm asked to answer it I will do my best to do so , depending on form and norm but it's more often feeling like speaking to cacophony of voices and opinions on the net,
big chaos surrounding these issues from most people ..and frankly in situation when no legal body admits existence of ET life on Earth ,

any kind of statement such as 'all ETs are benevolent' defies its purpose for the less fortunate majority .


I likewise believe that all Life in Universe is good in essence , and pain we all endure is a result of confrontation with coarse non living , physical, environment at start , and such a deformation of those original 'good' bio codes may produce biological and psychological reactions with living beings .

That of course concerns not only humans ..but probably good couple of intelligent species and civilisations across the Universe .

It's a clue explanation of how 'things come to being' rather than how they look like .

Besides that and I tried to speak on this in the Part 5 Bases 16 interview ,
there are numerous adverse affects observed in ET- Human encounters that are of physical, biological nature, result of collision of varying time-space fields etc .

Psychological factors of how some people experience 'abductions' and experimentation could be likened to the way humans deal with animals . And so forth .. the talk would be endless ..


I better say goodnight ...


:sleep:

[shadowstalker]

@Agape
I've not answered anything , I know , it always ends in some arguments here or what's not right .

Well I f I have ever argued with you, I am deeply deeply sorry.....:(
But I have 1 request, could you break down what you said , it has been a long day at my end, and I freely admit I don't all together understand what your trying to relay here..

Oh no you didn't, I'm pretty good in arguing with myself or better to say, more with the 'unseen hands' in backgrounds , rhetorical statement from me and as you say , it's the end of the day .. it's rather 2 am here .

Decent people sleep at this time don't you ;)


So I'm not sure about detailed answers on those points from my side putting things to correct perspective, in written form , on forum , against 'big statements' made by 'big Dr' at 'big conference' would bring big change .

I think if I'm asked to answer it I will do my best to do so , depending on form and norm but it's more often feeling like speaking to cacophony of voices and opinions on the net,
big chaos surrounding these issues from most people ..and frankly in situation when no legal body admits existence of ET life on Earth ,

any kind of statement such as 'all ETs are benevolent' defies its purpose for the less fortunate majority .


I likewise believe that all Life in Universe is good in essence , and pain we all endure is a result of confrontation with coarse non living , physical, environment at start , and such a deformation of those original 'good' bio codes may produce biological and psychological reactions with living beings .

That of course concerns not only humans ..but probably good couple of intelligent species and civilisations across the Universe .

It's a clue explanation of how 'things come to being' rather than how they look like .

Besides that and I tried to speak on this in the Part 5 Bases 16 interview ,
there are numerous adverse affects observed in ET- Human encounters that are of physical, biological nature, result of collision of varying time-space fields etc .

Psychological factors of how some people experience 'abductions' and experimentation could be likened to the way humans deal with animals . And so forth .. the talk would be endless ..


I better say goodnight ...


:sleep:

Decent people sleep at this time don't you
Not without help ...LOL

Thank you so much for your reply, it was awesome, I understand better what you where doing now.

Plz forgive me, as I rarely ever seek to my left as it seems at times, seeing who is making statements can sway a person and there decisions at times, so I try to keep my head clear and try to be blind, As I feel the message is as important as the person but i know ppl look to ppl before the message...
And yes I have seen your interview on Part 5 Bases 16 interview I was very inpressed...Thank you for that..

And thank you for clarifying and sweet dreams..;)

[SilentFeathers]

I'm sorry for being judgmental and opinionated, but please people, use some common sense! Resorting to ridiculous fairy tale delusional BS does not explain things away. greer is as human as they come and is probably deeply in debt and needs a few bucks.....and will do what it takes to get it. Not to mention, he probably needs to follow orders and the agenda too.....LOL

COMMON SENSE always to me seems to be the best drug to OD on for me.

I was a little hesitant about posting those links and you're probably right about it being "ridiculous fairy tale delusional BS". However, I don't consider the existence of reptilian shape-shifters to be just fantasy. Not that I've personally seen anything of the sort but based on what I've read from various sources I can't just deny it being at least a possibility. Then there's the contents of the links which is for sure questionable (as in not very scientific) but imo it's something one can consider with an open mind nevertheless. And yes, common sense is indeed needed but sometimes it can be quite limiting as well can it not?

Show me a human with scales and a forked tongue that can change from a snake into a horse and I'll have a conversation with you concerning the possibility that reptilians are among us.......until then I figure we are all just basically mammals called human beings....perhaps hybrids from apes or hairy neanderthals.....

[Magnus]

It looks like Greer have already been overrun by Lloyd Pye in the race for disclosure.

http://www.starchildproject.com/
http://www.lloydpye.com/

Furthermore i believe it's possible that Greer has been offered a ticket to one of their fancy doomsday retreats, if he just plays along and does what he's told, this will be his reward.

[sandy]

Well, Well,

Here I go with my cynicism What a great marketing ploy IMHO for donations to role in!!!!]

More and more I understand less and less as to how the human race is looking for answers to solve the world's problems through disclosures, et/ebe's, predictions, premonitions, archons, saviors of one kind or another and on and on.

The answer is staring us in the face FREE ENERGY!!! The technology is available but suppressed. If all the world would just friggin quit looking for the answer and see that we the people and Free Energy are the answer. We will solve absolutely all the economic, environmental, famine, water, energy,and evil on the earth if we stood together to bring about the emergence and implementation of Free energy and not ET's, Gods of one form or another, ascension etc,

Until the burden of survival and scarcity is removed we will remain in victim mode looking for something greater than ourselves to set us free>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We will not fully evolve spiritually as a species either without Free Energy as survival keeps one on the hamster wheel trying to stay alive and more in animal mode than the Spirit of Love.

[Flash]

Thank you Bill for your answer and the video, it is probably almost the only video of Camelot I had not seen. It explains very well what you think happened with Greer and others that split Project Camelot.


For the rest of us who may not have seen it, here is part 2


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj8ApkHvOro&feature=related

[ljwheat]

Well, Well,

Here I go with my cynicism What a great marketing ploy IMHO for donations to role in!!!!]

More and more I understand less and less as to how the human race is looking for answers to solve the world's problems through disclosures, et/ebe's, predictions, premonitions, archons, saviors of one kind or another and on and on.

The answer is staring us in the face FREE ENERGY!!! The technology is available but suppressed. If all the world would just friggin quit looking for the answer and see that we the people and Free Energy are the answer. We will solve absolutely all the economic, environmental, famine, water, energy,and evil on the earth if we stood together to bring about the emergence and implementation of Free energy and not ET's, Gods of one form or another, ascension etc,

Until the burden of survival and scarcity is removed we will remain in victim mode looking for something greater than ourselves to set us free>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We will not fully evolve spiritually as a species either without Free Energy as survival keeps one on the hamster wheel trying to stay alive and more in animal mode than the Spirit of Love.

I think we are hitting all around the edges of the underside of the roll or title sheppardship, stewardship, property manager = over the herd.

We the herd follow the people in these stewardships ( Steven Greer, Billy Gram, John Denver, Dolly lama, Mom and Dad, Sheldon Nidle, Bruce lee, who ever your behind is the core power in you that’s given away to the one that’s steward over your belief.

When Edison created his own power, generators and gave it away free to his Nabors’s. Why isn’t there 7 billion Edison’s? Westward bound wagon train in the 1700‘s, when chicken was for dinner. Who ran to Walmart for prepackaged Purdue chicken breasts? How did a Guru Become a Guru? why didn’t we build our own houses?

Why do we need Steven Greer to do what he dose? Giving away your power, time, thoughts, money, anything?

If your not in the prosses of becoming, then your part of the hope in following stewards that lead no where. Teach a man to fish. Then stand back and let him become a fisherman.

Civilization is teaching people to follow the fisherman, like a bunch of sea gulls. When its in the nature of the sea gulls to fish from birth anyway. Don’t feed the animals has a very, very deep meaning. = personal stewardship, in sky, earth, wind, fire earth tools of living will become what you need.

We all have been turned into co-dependant to civilization and the self-appointed or appointed Sheppard’s, stewards, leaders, Guru’s, inventor’s, over the herd.

So how fare out ahead of the herd are we really, if we are civilized? If you’re a groupie your not free. Build your own power generator, from the thread FREE BOOK’s running now http://exopoliticshongkong.com/Free_On-line_books.html down load the PDF book of Nikola Tesla’ full diagrams included “Free” the materials coast a bit, but the energy source is for ever free to use as you like.

Take back your power of do it yourself. And all the Steven Greer’s will fade away.

John xoxo

[Tangri]

What I found interesting in Stevens blog entry was that it was not a hint of a body, but a claim of actual tangible body that might make it to being classified as ET in origin. Steven is a MD and he claims to have seen the body, I guess he would recognize a human being of local origin when confronted with one.

So he is not vague, but instead goes out on a limb and states that there is an actual body, which he himself has seen and doesn´t consider human and that it can and will be scientifically studied. He claims this to be a fact that will produce results - which ever way, human, ET or a cat, was it? :p


UT

Well, being a MD does not give a qualification to distinguish clarification between cloned tissue and extraterrestrial entity's tissue if that person is not familiar with same event or contact more than few,. An MD needs another branch of Science to support the Hypothesis.

[Ultima Thule]

What I found interesting in Stevens blog entry was that it was not a hint of a body, but a claim of actual tangible body that might make it to being classified as ET in origin. Steven is a MD and he claims to have seen the body, I guess he would recognize a human being of local origin when confronted with one.

So he is not vague, but instead goes out on a limb and states that there is an actual body, which he himself has seen and doesn´t consider human and that it can and will be scientifically studied. He claims this to be a fact that will produce results - which ever way, human, ET or a cat, was it? :p


UT

Well, being a MD does not give a qualification to distinguish clarification between cloned tissue and extraterrestrial entity's tissue if that person is not familiar with same event or contact more than few,. An MD needs another branch of Science to support the Hypothesis.

Indeed Levent Tonga, I had not really(at all) thought about the possibility of cloned tissue. What I was referring to was that I would expect an MD to recognize a normal or abnormal body as human as long as it is in boundaries of homo sapiens. The dna-testing is very interesting prospect. However as has been brought up the star child skull has already been tested and it is not homo sapiens, I guess that would merit more attention actually than it has so far.

UT

[kemo]

While I don't doubt Bill's ability to make a decent vid of the body what then? Remember the alien life form found in Siberia was it. Turned out to be a hoax which is precisely what any video would be debunked as. If all you have is photographic evidence this will maybe make a small splash and then be forgotten. I can see that the forensic etc evidence for some proper scientific evaluation would be expensive. I might send a few quid. I can spare it - especially as I don't do it very often!

[Maunagarjana]

I for one do not have 'Sucker' written on my forehead. He does not need more money. Come to think of it.... if he wants us to help 'fund' this project... why not release this Sirius now... and if enough people believe then they can contribute more. Why wait until they have more money?? If Disclosure is so important release it now.

He already has the money. The Kickstarter campaign was fully funded, he says.

http://drgreersblog.disclosureproject.org/?p=161

[777]

If it stinks of cash, then it stinks of cash.

A bit like how spades are actually spades and should be called thus.

[HaveBlue]

Say what you like but without Greer there would be no Camelot/Avalon. Bill himself has said more than once that Greer gave him the inspiration to 'pick up the baton'.

Having an IQ over 40 is so lonely at times!

[ljwheat]

Say what you like but without Greer there would be no Camelot/Avalon. Bill himself has said more than once that Greer gave him the inspiration to 'pick up the baton'.

Having an IQ over 40 is so lonely at times!

That’s great in a sense HaveBlue, --- Going across a craves on a glacier and all party’s being tethered together for safety as in real life. And Greer slips for what ever reason into the craves, and everyone on that tether try’s there very best to pull Greer back to safety, but his EGO keep getting heavier and heavier threatening to take out the entire expedition, cutting him loose is and was the only IQ option was it not?

John xoxo

[Bill Ryan]

Say what you like but without Greer there would be no Camelot/Avalon. Bill himself has said more than once that Greer gave him the inspiration to 'pick up the baton'.


Ah, but there's a twist to this. What you wrote is correct -- but the reason we started Camelot was because Greer had NOT been doing anything that he'd promised to.

We were naive at the time, and just thought, in a quite non-competitive way, that we'd be kind of helping out while Greer got his act together. Later, we came to understand what was really going on.

Do you see? :)

Greer's done nothing at all since 2001 except publish a couple of books.

He's been sitting on stuff. Meanwhile -- Camelot innocently and enthusiastically set about doing the job the Disclosure Project publicly committed to do.

To some degree, we were helping the REAL, gradual, strategically planned, drip-feed disclosure process -- as long as we didn't release too much, too soon. (This is the "control-rods-on-the-nuclear-reaction" metaphor.)

The PTB never saw us coming, because it all happened so quickly. We were carefully watched -- and when the reaction threatened to get 'out of control' (by the second half of 2009) -- we were taken down. Camelot is no longer a threat... in my opinion.





** This is a really important post for everyone to understand.

[cloud9]

I don't know Dr. Greer but I don't know a lot of people either, however I'm amazed at how easily people judge, critic and demonize others, people assume this or that and write about it in public or private forums without realizing how damaging it is.
It's possible Greer has been compromised but who knows it really? For those who ask for proof about everything, where it is the proof about Greer?
With my highest respect, Bill says that after 2001 Greer has not done much besides a few books and that Camelot was taken down..... so aren't you (both Camelot and Greer ) in the same place?
Would that mean that the reason Bill has not done anything (disclosure wise) after the Inelia interview is because he is compromised too?
I don,t think so but if you compare the two cases....
At the end, my point is: It's very easy to judge and look smart(er) than somebody else, but are we doing the right thing?
It took a lot for LLoyd Pye to get the skull analyzed an it was a very expensive thing according to him, he had to raise fund for a long time before he could get it done and we are talking about a very old skull. Now, if Greer's story is true and they have a whole body, how much would it cost to analyze it?

[gooty64]

I did some inquiry into Steven Greer's CSETI program and considered attending one of his field trips -this was about 1.5 years ago. When looking for more info and testimonials to CSETI, I could find nothing as far as testimonials from former attendees of his field trips. There were a few videos of night vision orbs and not much else. CSETI has a facebook page. 1.5 years ago when I looked at it there were only videos of Steven Greer and no signs of civilians raving about their experiences with ER DR. Greer.
I was literally prepared timewise and money to take the field trip. I watched Greers presentations and interviews and my BS radar escalated off of the charts.
I could be wrong and will leave it there.
PS Whatever disclosure comes from Greer will be manipulated and limited by the PTB. Meaningful disclosure is truth across the board not an old alien corpse in MSM movie.

[Ultima Thule]

I have to admit - regarding Greers actions since 2001 - that once I saw the National Press Conference footage a few years ago, I was enthusiastic and wen´t looking for National Press Conference vol 2, 3, etc., could not find any. So in essence I for one was expecting much more, the 2001 conference was an impressive set-up.
It leaves at least two options: Mr. Greer is smart and keeps the lid on what he has got until such a time that he can reveal it with such a force and certainty that leaves no room whatsoever for debunking

or

he is working in accord with controlled, manipulated, tptb-run slow-motion disclosure where power and control is to be maintained on peoples minds - aiming to replace religions with new ones?


UT

[gooty64]

or

he is working in accord with controlled, manipulated, tptb-run slow-motion disclosure where power and control is to be maintained on peoples minds - aiming to replace religions with new ones?

Yeah UT, can't you just imagine the higher -ups handing Greer an old alien corpse from the vault of their stockpiles of classified ufo/et stuff and having him parade the corpse around for a couple of years. Imagine a traveling show to all of the museum across the UAS and world while everybody flocks raving mad to get a glimpse of the et corpse.

And a few years after after the commotion dies down, we are right where we were in the first place basically.

Isn't disclosure more about the bloodline families, 9/11, origins of mankind, truth about the matrix-control paradigm.
All of this, old grey alien corpse in MSM movie for dummies seems annoying and distracting to me. Don't we basically know there are aliens already?

[Operator]

I think he is giving it away time after time when he expresses that he's proud to be family of someone who designed the moon lander etc.

He like no one else should be aware that the Apollo program is actually the parallel space program serving only as facade ...
We should all be very aware that in his position he has absolutely no breathing space and is only allowed to keep us busy.
I don't expect anything at all from Greer. He served the purpose till 2001 and then his role was turned to controlled opposition.

I am afraid the same happened to Gordon Novel and his group (although they might have a slightly better chance to resist).

[Ultima Thule]

I wonder if disclosure could be or perhaps is aimed to be downplayed into a newsflash:"We have confirmed the existence of ET:s, but they probably cannot be communicated with for decades. You can trust that the government will do its utmost and inform you immediately when there is something to tell. We expect more to tell when the Mars-mission crew will arrive in Mars at around 2023." And then the whole thing can be put to rest with deadline of something actual happening being moved into distant future?
How do you people think that tptb would jump the bandwagon and steal the show in regards of disclosure?

UT

[Operator]

I wonder if disclosure could be or perhaps is aimed to be downplayed into a newsflash:"We have confirmed the existence of ET:s, but they probably cannot be communicated with for decades. You can trust that the government will do its utmost and inform you immediately when there is something to tell. We expect more to tell when the Mars-mission crew will arrive in Mars at around 2023." And then the whole thing can be put to rest with deadline of something actual happening being moved into distant future?
How do you people think that tptb would jump the bandwagon and steal the show in regards of disclosure?

UT

The only hope for disclosure that I see is that they realize they can't keep it under wraps. If this situation sets in then
they will do it on their terms in planned steps ....

1. Confirm existence of water on other planetary bodies
2. Confirm microbial life on other planetary bodies
3. Confirm ancient alien ruins on other planetary bodies
4. Confirm animal life on other planetary bodies
5. Confirm other than earthly sentient life

Mind you there is a multiple 'they'. There is not one single group who is struggling with disclosure. They are also struggling amongst themselves.

The upcoming Mars landing (this weekend) may play a major role in the sequence listed above. The new rover is nuclear power driven and can
enter areas (ancient alien ruins) where there is no sunlight.

[Lifebringer]

Dr Steven Greer started me on this quest, Bill and Kerry carried the torch, and david and Fulford are taking the initiative. WE are all part of disclosure and can post links for the people to see and DEMAND ON A NEED TO KNOW BASIS. THOSE ARE THE ONLY WORDS THAT WILL STOP EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 Eisenhower put in place to keep the secrecy of the CIABushCabalNazi's. Need To Know is the key words for the disclosure. Flood the sites with proof and tell them the magic words to open the records.

Carry on Family Avalon.

[Agape]

I wonder if disclosure could be or perhaps is aimed to be downplayed into a newsflash:"We have confirmed the existence of ET:s, but they probably cannot be communicated with for decades. You can trust that the government will do its utmost and inform you immediately when there is something to tell. We expect more to tell when the Mars-mission crew will arrive in Mars at around 2023." And then the whole thing can be put to rest with deadline of something actual happening being moved into distant future?
How do you people think that tptb would jump the bandwagon and steal the show in regards of disclosure?

UT



I have enough of this bogus called 'disclosure' and 'pro disclosure initiative' , is it going to work really .

Where's all the physical evidence ?


:haha:



Forgive my bad sense of humour , it's probably NEVER going to sound too good, till some people want to be ALONE in the Universe .


Hello mankind ..we know how are you doing and will stay on watch for when you feel better and stop the bloodsheds ,
we know you are here and it's really important that 'youuuuuu.......' help to stop the wars and feed your starving siblings elsewhere .

It's important if you can give free education to your children and pay attention to how precious they are and help them be better people .


It's important you do not destroy your world but turn it to peaceful garden ...it means lots of hard work on Earth but there are not many ways around it .

The Truth can only come out from inside of you , and what comes from inside of you is what you meet outside, remember ...


Bring your leaders to your fire places and make them smoke piece pipe .. and feel human n humane once again ,
bring them here and we all will speak to them , they are not unreachable , they are not super natural, we do not call people bad names .

We do not like to talk to this mad hierarchy of self imposed monarchs and mannequins .


We can only speak to true people with true minds . Their many other businesses are disinteresting .


All we can really offer is gesture of Peace ..


:hand:




It has to do for the evening . We know you watch Olympics and should not be disturbed and we really don't mean to cause global panic .

Notice, we are also very human -like and have sense of humour .



:plane:



( on behalf of all members of Galactic Federation ...)

[Flowerpunkchip]

i've read most of this thread, I just want to add my little personal story...

In the 80s when I was a kid of 11-13 years old more or less, I read 3 books on UFOs which had belonged to my grandfather who I never had a chance to meet.
One of the books was predominantly about Adamski and one book had a large section about Billy Meier, I kept reading and researching through the years and slowly lost interest in the subject because to my knowledge both Adamski and Meier were frauds and money making liars.
I didn't stop believing in UFOs but my interest faded through the years.

Then in 2001, as you all know now, the Disclosure Project arrived... Saw the video months later and it totally blew my mind. Not just the testimonies but the fact that most of the witnesses said they would testify and swear an oath in congress. AMAZING!!!
After seeing the video, I was so excited, I was punching the air, it was like having several Xmas days compressed into 10 minutes of ecstatic joy. Disclosure was imminent!!! The disclosure I had always dreamt of.

11 Years later, nothing. Just a few books.

The 1st Disclosure Project book was excellent. Lent it to friends. The other books were pretty much a waist of time.
Then there was a book with a DVD of video evidence. What a disappointment it was. One clip was the filming of an insect. The other ones may have been satellites in the sky. So disappointed.

But let's just wait and see what happens with this EBE evidence.... I agree with many others here that we don't need money to make a documentary tomorrow with a simple video camera. After 13 years, I can wait a few more months. But I hope Greer doesn't let us down. He was my hero 11 years ago. I hope he redeems himself soon.

Thank you for this thread. Truly interesting and exciting and totally understand if people think Greer is in it for the money or worst. Let's wait and see.

[Huma]

I have engaged with Mr. Greer briefly on the phone and when I called into shows he was being interviewed on. Let me humbly submit he was an earnest fruit loop who simply over talks you, something I didn't let happen, which made him quite uncomfortable. If anyone is curious how he makes his money, one need only look at CSETI, his new age mystic vectoring in of ufos with flashlights to which he charges egregious amounts of money to attend. Be SUSPICIOUS of people who are out to make a buck in the "truth" community, even more so when they offer services and claims the likes of Dr. Greer.

Bill is absolutely correct, and I will add that he has been fishing for money ever since, and is severely egotistical, which came through bright and clear in there interview with him, but really you can see it in all his interviews as he gives his "I'm just a simple country doctor" routine, the same shpeal I have heard year after year, interview after interview, presentation after presentation. Come on guys. While I believe Kerry's new age, I will listen to anyone and anything, I am a mystic healer routine hasn't quite given us the grandest of testimony as of late, as least you know she has some measure of integrity in her backbone, something all of us can admire, Greer? Not so much.

Maybe he was sincere in the beginning, could be. It took some real work back then to do what he did and frankly despite having some sketchy people on stage along with some real solid people, he launched a thousand ships with that presentation, including camelots. But Bill is right, he hasn't done a damn thing since 2001 but postulate, promote himself and his CSETI BS, and generally hurt the UFO field as time goes on. This field has enough fruit cakes, quacks, new agers, con artists, genuine lunatics, and swindlers to fill, dare I say, a ufo convention or two?

Let us take the case of "Brigadier General" Stephen Lovekin as famously seen here discussing Roswell.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF_zcbe79Zg

Now he is clearly positioned in this video as a "Brigadier General", as in a military general, which is the reasonable assumption most would make, and I have no doubt Mr. Greer knew this, however this man was never IN the military, and certainly was not a general of any armed forces. You can read about it here: http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2006/02/lovekin-is-general-but.html and here: http://www.roswellproof.com/lovekin.html
This is a kind of weasel deception I can't stand, and is indicative of Mr. Greer's checkered behavior, at best. There is no evidence that Stephen Lovekin was ever a Brigadier General in any branch of the US armed forces, he is only listed as a BG on the roster of the South Carolina State Guard Association, which is a civilian organization without state backing. So is he a BG? Well, sort of? But surely not the kind suggested on video.

And I do so love how he toots his own horn when he talks about having a big important fancy pants meeting with a former CIA director, wow! In Steven Greer's book, Extraterrestrial Contact, Greer claimed to have been directly briefed about UFOs by R. James Woolsey, the former director of the CIA, at a dinner party. Shortly after Greer published his book with his apparently exaggerated account of what had taken place, Woolsey and others present at the dinner sent Greer a letter trying to set the record straight.

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/images/greer_letter.jpg

If you want to read more about the wonderful antics of one Steven Greer, you can visit here and read all about how he swindles people out of there money, kind of like Sean Morton but with a far more charming and hokey southern flare! http://www.ufowatchdog.com/steven_greer.htm