Dr. Steven Greer (2010 - 2012)

[Gemini]

This is just my observation. No offense meant.

To my understanding quite a few people here have been very impressed with Greer's work from 2001. Personally, I never saw any of it and thus I'm not affected by it. By reading what Bill, Huma and others have said on this thread it's very clear to me that Greer is a disinfo agent serving only himself and those who control him. Yet, some people here are defending him and/or clinging to the hope that he might still reveal (RE-VEIL) something important. The reality is anyone who is defending him is simply being apologetic. There are no excuses for his behaviour described for example by Huma above. I can understand that some may be emotionally attached to Greer due to his work 11 years ago and that blurs their vision. We are easy to manipulate by this kind of attachments and that really needs to change.

[Agape]

Now the matter is settled , it's a tot .


drgreer says:
August 3, 2012 at 1:13 pm
It appears neo-natal or very young, around 6 inches in length, 5 fingers and toes but very different skeletal make up from homo sapiens. We hope an MRI will elucidate any further internal organ structures as we do not wish to at all damage the specimen. No microscopic exams have been done because we cannot take significant samples from the being. We will take a very small amount for DNA evaluation if possible. Keep in mine we do not possess or own this specimen and thus have a number of restrictions placed upon us. As to the species, as you know the “grays” that have been seen are mostly PLF- programmed man-made life forms. However this being is not of that variety but may belong to an ET species that has been described as traveling in very small 15 foot or so oval, egg-like ET craft.(See Disclosure Project marine witness. Weygandt) If we can rule out a global skeletal congenital human defect, then it is indeed something extraordinary and would conform to reports of these ET beings.

Many have suggested we not pursue this scientific inquiry, or that we do so secretly. Neither suggestion is acceptable. We will not keep such a finding secret, and there is no other group with top scientific and medical personnel who know the ET issue and who can properly pursue such an inquiry. We simply need to run this to ground, one way or another. If it turns out not to be ET, then it will be an amazing medical finding nevertheless.

http://drgreersblog.disclosureproject.org/?p=192#comments


It explains a lot in my opinion ..


For your information, 'most greys' people encounter are not PLFs and people are usually , able to discern , on subtle note between 'original specimen' and 'programmed life form ' unless of course, it's stillborn baby .

Also , the most greys I know about actually DO NOT have 5 fingers but some have 3 fingers , some 4 .
Taller entities tend to have more fingers but guess it's not the rule of thumb here .



I vaguely recall a case of 'tomato man' body , red jelly like looking caracas with eye protrusions ..recovered in north Africa many years ago,
I had to be young when I read it first but seems the case is forgotten now,
interesting I've not noticed it being mentioned on any of these ufo websites .


It was found somewhere in African jungle , could be in Libya or Sudan but I'm not sure . Pictures were taken of it, both B&W and in color .
Of course, the body was decomposing and surrounded by swarms of flies . It looked like odd colour pink -red jelly with protrusions .


Ok, this was found in Texas ...

http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case378.htm


It's probably somewhere on the net ..




Trying to be helpful


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[Agape]

You know . When I die I wish I could turn to rainbow ..

Some Tibetan lamas were able to do that , left almost without trace . It's called the accomplishment of the ''rainbow body'' .

The last recorded case happened some 20 years ago ( only ) . It's a rare occurence and presumably hard to achieve .

http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Khenpo_Achö

The whole story can be read here ...


http://www.zhaxizhuoma.net/SEVEN_JEWELS/HOLY%20EVENTS/RAINBOW%20BODY/A-chos.html





There are more things todays science can not explain , even in microbial realm, on microscopic level than it can .

Why do they presume that when it concerns more complex and complicated level of intelligent life than their own simple rules and judgements will suffice ?


Without troubling your brain you can't get nowhere even with protozoa .


Makes me sort of wonder ...


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[shadowstalker]

Thank you so much for the link Agape :luv:

[kooky]

This is just my observation. No offense meant.

To my understanding quite a few people here have been very impressed with Greer's work from 2001. Personally, I never saw any of it and thus I'm not affected by it. By reading what Bill, Huma and others have said on this thread it's very clear to me that Greer is a disinfo agent serving only himself and those who control him. Yet, some people here are defending him and/or clinging to the hope that he might still reveal (RE-VEIL) something important. The reality is anyone who is defending him is simply being apologetic. There are no excuses for his behaviour described for example by Huma above. I can understand that some may be emotionally attached to Greer due to his work 11 years ago and that blurs their vision. We are easy to manipulate by this kind of attachments and that really needs to change.

If you never saw any of it then you're in no position to base an opinion at all and just because Bill or Huma said something doesn't mean that must be the 100% truth. You're opinion has been formed anyway so it's a waste of your time reading anything Steven Greer has done because Bill's word and Huma's are gospel to you so whatever Steven has written or done will not be good enough to convince you otherwise. I think you are far too trusting of people too and many could easily turn your post right around on you.

[Gemini]

If you never saw any of it then you're in no position to base an opinion at all and just because Bill or Huma said something doesn't mean that must be the 100% truth. You're opinion has been formed anyway so it's a waste of your time reading anything Steven Greer has done because Bill's word and Huma's are gospel to you so whatever Steven has written or done will not be good enough to convince you otherwise. I think you are far too trusting of people too and many could easily turn your post right around on you.

I agree my opinion isn't very solidly based. It's mostly my strong feeling about him. He doesn't appear as a very honest person to me as opposed to Bill who, in my view, is the very definition of it. Of course everybody makes mistakes and is wrong at times and one can't always trust ones feelings either. However, what Bill and Huma among others wrote just confirmed the feeling I had had about Greer before I saw this thread. That he says 'There are no ETs visiting Earth who are not benevolent.' is just utter disinfo to my ears. Still it's of course possible I'm wrong.

Just to clarify, I'm only referring to Greer after 2001. From what I've read I believe he may have been and probably was genuine before, which is why some might find it hard to accept he could have changed. Maybe he was made an offer he couldn't refuse. He seems to be pretty happy with his position, though.

[gooty64]

Gemini and all,
This was the presentation of Greer that -if I remember correctly- made feel like he is just dragging disclosure out and is insincere -not to mention arrogant, egotistical and full of BS.

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And then there was the Camelot interview, which became very contentious after the 20 minute mark-with loads of BS from greer.

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[mountain_jim]

See thread in Current Events concerning Sikh shootings and father of filmaker involved with Greer here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48182-A-mass-shooting-at-the-Sikh-Temple-in-Oak-Creek-Wisconsin

[jack]

At the end of the day people want this information out there yet they refuse to support the vocations that can make it a reality.

While they will happily pay for their daily dose of sodium fluoride in order to keep their teeth shiny.

People do not pay for the flouride willingly. Their satanic governments at every level are using public funds to purchase toxic waste. There is no need to fund disclosure either, it just needs to not be suppressed by the self same satanists above. Stop making sh!t up!

Having a bad hair day? :confused:

As a matter of fact people are not being forced into consuming water from public supplies and bottled sources. Plenty of the best health giving water on the planet falls from the sky daily. And its free! I guess its an easier strategy to sit there complaining sipping on flouridated tea rather then go outside and build a rainwater harvesting system.

Cut me a break and stop blaming the Shadow People for decisions you have failed to make in regards to making yours and your families lives better.

We create our own reality each and every moment of our life's.

Quit making excuses for why people refuse to make the decisions in life which nullify the attempted enslavement by the forces at work. The majority are enslaved because they have not grown up and taken responsibility for their own lives.

Ive been awake and making smart decisions since I was 11 years old. I have never seen myself as any less then the creator of my own destiny and life has never shown me any different. I can stand proud and admit that I have integrated the knowledge I have learned to create a fantastic life for myself and those around me. Who the hell are the powers that be?

There are no powers that be for those who stand in their own power, only for those who continue to feed into the illusion that anything outside of themselves is responsible for the lives that they create.

* There is no fluoridated water because I drink the rain that falls from the sky.

* There is no economic crisis because I manifest abundance daily for myself.

* There is no war because I choose to live in peace and love.

* There is no poison in my food because I eat a carefully selected diet.

* There is no media brainwashing because I refuse to acknowledge any of its mediums.

* There is no pain because I choose to live in peace.

Wake up and quit acting like victims.

WE ARE ALL ETERNAL AND INFINITE SPIRITUAL BEINGS CAPABLE OF ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING.

Start acting like it.


Stop crying to the landlord to lower the rent when you have the ability to create worlds of your own.

[Maunagarjana]

So, I finally saw a picture of what Greer claims to have examined:

UPDATE: This photo was not released by Steven Greer.

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[SilentFeathers]

So, I finally saw a picture of what Greer claims to have examined:

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Pretty good sales pitch!

[ljwheat]

This is impressive yes, and yes it sound factual, sometimes to much and over kill is telling as well. If this is real, just the magnitude and the scale of interest this thing would generate its own momentum if not full pro -bone -no that these agency have provided in the past for lesser discovery’s, so all the intended funding would go to upgrade his persoal life style in a big why. If this were as big an event as it sounds everyone would want a piece of the action and give to the cause. Tammy Fay Baker comes to mind -- always yet a bigger price tag, with no results or return. a lot of sensationalism with a big let down at the end. We’ve been burned by this guy too many times. Let him use all his big shots he keeps bragging about. I dont need to pay for his life style. If bill can do it on a shoe string whats Greer's Problem? bling, bling, and keeping himself pumped is all i see. no thank you. John xoxo

[Agape]

I've seen that 'alien' on the web before . I can be wrong . But there are about two looking close to it and the first one , from Chile it probably isn't .

The one from Chile is much smaller : http://www.ufocasebook.com/tinyalien3.jpg

( looks like large mummified insect )

The other one is closer to how this looks like :

http://cryptic-mysteries.blogspot.cz/2010/12/alionshenka-alien-russian-kyshtym-alien.html


Google Images : Kyshtym Alien



http://english.pravda.ru/science/mysteries/24-03-2007/88603-alien_dna-0/

Russian geneticists to reveal alien’s DNA mystery

Scientists may soon unravel the mystery of the “Uralian alien,” a tiny creature found near the town of Kyshtym in the Urals. Scientists carried out five series of laboratory studies investigating the DNA samples of the creature’s biological material.

The latest study conducted by a Moscow-based Institute of Forensic Medicine produced sensational results.

“A gene discovered in the DNA samples doesn’t correspond with any genes pertaining to humans or anthropoid apes,” said Vadim Chernobrov, a coordinator with the public research center Kosmopoisk. “No gene samples available at the laboratory match the gene. The experts in DNA research haven’t come across any creatures with such an elongated DNA molecule,” Chernobrov added.

Scientists have been looking for an explanation of the Kyshtym phenomenon for more than ten years. The story began in the summer of 1996 after a miniature creature was found in the Chelyabinsk region. The find was soon dubbed the “Kyshtym alien.” A local medical examiner who performed an autopsy concluded that the dead body was neither human nor animal in nature.

Ufologists regarded the Kyshtym dwarf as a clear-cut case of the extraterrestrial. The clergy believe the dwarf was a demon. The creature was still alive when it was found by an old and barely literate woman. She was the only one who gave the dwarf a human name – Alioshenka (a diminutive of the Russian name “Alexei” – ed. note).

The curse of Alioshenka


The dwarf from Kyshtym did not do any harm to anybody while he was in the land of the living. Some really weird things began to happen following the death of the creature. The old lady, a “godmother” of Alioshenka the Alien, died in a hit-and-run accident. The woman was knocked down by a car just a few days before a team of researchers arrived in the town from Moscow.

The body of the dwarf vanished without a trace. An investigator assigned to the case is reported to have handed the corpse to some perpetrators who walked off with it. A Japanese TV crew arrived in Kyshtym to do a documentary on Alioshenka. The Japanese posted a reward of $200,000 for information on the whereabouts of the stolen creature. However, their attempts to locate the body of the dwarf ended in failure. A minute piece of the dead body was the only hard evidence the Japanese somehow managed to recover. The Japanese displayed the object for the benefit of the cameras.

Academician Mark Milkhiker looked into the Kyshtym phenomenon on location. He carefully examined the area in which the dwarf was found. Milkhiker fell seriously ill shortly after he returned to Moscow. He died of a sudden heart attack while in hospital.

The above Vadim Chernobrov was also taken ill four years after the discovery of the dwarf. A mysterious disease paralyzed him from the waist down. Doctors were unable to explain the cause of his disease. It was Chernobrov who found a piece of fabric used by the old lady for wrapping around the dwarf on the day she found him.

Were all those misfortunes a coincidence? Did the alien really put a curse on everyone who tried to solve his mystery?

It is clear that Deguchi Masao, a producer of the Japanese documentary on Alioshenka, fell victim to his own naivety that borders on idiocy. What did he do? He promised to pay cash to locals who could share their memories of the dwarf with his crew. Needless to say, the news spread across the town like wildfire. Dozens of bums and drunkards formed a long line around the house where the Japanese were interviewing “eyewitnesses.” It took the producer a while to realize that all those incredible accounts of the event were a fake.

I have been following the Kyshtym phenomenon since it came to light in 1996. I visited Kyshtym several times to get firsthand information from those who were part of the story. Now it is about time I dusted off my old notebooks containing real eyewitness accounts so that we can separate a few grains of truth from a collection of assorted conjectures and speculations.

I am quite confident that the mummified body of the creature is not a myth. There are numerous witnesses who saw the dead body of Alioshenka. Major (Ret.) Vladimir Bendlin, a former investigator with the police department of Kyshtym, is the most important witness.

On a rainy summer morning the police detained one Vladimir Nurtdinov, a local resident suspected of stealing electrical wire. The police confiscated a bundle the man was carrying. Having removed a piece of red cloth from the object, the police were amazed to see a small mummified body of a strange creature. The police placed the corpse on the cloth and videotaped it. Bendlin noticed on the spot that the creature looked like an alien, in a way aliens are usually portrayed in sci-fi movies. The creature looked stone-cold and lifeless. It felt the same by touch.

Bendlin opened investigation into the case of an “alien.” A dead body found under the circumstances normally entails a police investigation. In line with regulation, the police were supposed to determine the cause of death of the strange being.

Doctors and experts

Igor Uskov, an urologist with a local hospital, was on duty on that day. Atelephone rang in his office about midday. He burst out laughing when policeman on the other end of the line told him the reason why his services were required.



“The dead body of an alien? Stop kidding me, will you?”

“Doctor, you’d better take a look at it yourself …”

Dr. Uskov was the first medical professional to examine the body. He reckoned that it might as well be a human fetus aged some 20 weeks. Dr. Uskov asked his colleague Irina Ermolayeva, a gynecologist, for a second opinion. Dr. Ermolayeva agreed that the body looked very much like an underdeveloped fetus expelled from the womb prematurely i.e. a miscarriage.

The doctors’ verdict was music for Bendlin’s eyes. Everything was falling into place. The strange thing was not an alien any more; it was a human fetus, yet another case of illegal abortion. The investigator had dealt with several cases of illegal abortion before. He expected to close the case right after getting an autopsist’s opinion. Bendlin hoped that the autopsist would tell him that the fetus was either stillborn or too underdeveloped to live, and therefore the case would be not be a matter for further investigation.

Stanislav Samoshkin, a chief of morbid anatomy department at the Kyshtym hospital, didn’t smile and make cheesy jokes about aliens when the policemen brought the creature to his office. He performed a thorough autopsy on the body of the dwarf. And then he announced that the creature was neither a human being nor an animal. According to him, it was some new life form.

I met Dr. Samoshkin several years after the Kyshtym dwarf caused a worldwide sensation. According to him, he never doubted the conclusion he reached on that day.

“The creature was not by any means a human being. The human skull consists of six bones. The skull of that creature was made up of 4 bones. There were other differences in the skeleton structure. Those anomalies didn’t look like any congenital malformations known to date,” Dr. Samoshkin said.




http://rense.com/general28/jtv.htm


Japanese TV Said After ET Body
In Russia For $200,000


We received the following email and visited the indicated site. The text, as you will see, is Russian. The photo of the head of the possible ET is also shown. The translation of the text below is exclusive to Rense.com by Peter Davenport, Director, National UFO Reporting Center -ed


Kyshtym Midget Shown Again In Russian Media

Hello All,

Russian media again issues information about entity in Kyshtym. Japan producers are trying to find out entity mummy/corpse and ready to pay anybody $200,000 for it.

http://www.rtr-vesti.ru/comments.html?id=8199

Full good video of TV RTR program http://video.rtr-vesti.ru/8194.asf

The article is in Russian, but USA is country of much Russian emigration.

Yours Sincerely,
Anatolij Kutovoj



Further on ..



speaking of mysterious illnesses ...

the area is otherwise known as Chelyabinsk and there seem to have been big nuclear disaster in 1957 .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyshtym_disaster

The Kyshtym disaster was a radiation contamination incident that occurred on 29 September 1957 at Mayak, a nuclear fuel reprocessing plant in Russia (then a part of the Soviet Union). It measured as a Level 6 disaster on the International Nuclear Event Scale, making it the third most serious nuclear accident ever recorded (after the Chernobyl disaster, and Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster, both Level 7 on the INES). The event occurred in the town of Ozyorsk, a closed city built around the Mayak plant. Since Ozyorsk/Mayak (also known as Chelyabinsk-40 and Chelyabinsk-65) was not marked on maps, the disaster was named after Kyshtym, the nearest known town.



Because of the secrecy surrounding Mayak, the populations of affected areas were not initially informed of the accident. A week later (on 6 October) an operation for evacuating 10,000 people from the affected area started, still without giving an explanation of the reasons for evacuation.
Although vague reports of a "catastrophic accident" causing "radioactive fallout over the Soviet and many neighboring states" began appearing in the western press between 13 and 14 April 1958, it was only in 1976 that Zhores Medvedev made the nature and extent of the disaster known to the world.[7][8] In the absence of verifiable information, exaggerated accounts of the disaster were given. People "grew hysterical with fear with the incidence of unknown 'mysterious' diseases breaking out. Victims were seen with skin 'sloughing off' their faces, hands and other exposed parts of their bodies."[9] Medvedev's description of the disaster in the New Scientist was initially derided by western nuclear industry sources, but the core of his story was soon confirmed by Professor Leo Tumerman, former head of the Biophysics Laboratory at the Institute of Molecular Biology in Moscow.[10]
The true number of fatalities remains uncertain because radiation-induced cancer is clinically indistinguishable from any other cancer, and its incidence rate can only be measured through epidemiological studies. One book claims that "in 1992, a study conducted by the Institute of Biophysics at the former Soviet Health Ministry in Chelyabinsk found that 8,015 people had died within the preceding 32 years as a result of the accident."[1] By contrast, only 6000 death certificates have been found for residents of the Tech riverside between 1950 and 1982 from all causes of death,[11] though perhaps the Soviet study considered a larger geographic area affected by the airborne plume. The most commonly quoted estimate is 200 deaths due to cancer, but the origin of this number is not clear. More recent epidemiological studies suggest that around 49 to 55 cancer deaths among riverside residents can be associated to radiation exposure.[11] This would include the effects of all radioactive releases into the river, 98% of which happened long before the 1957 accident, but it would not include the effects of the airborne plume that was carried north-east.[12] The area closest to the accident produced 66 diagnosed cases of chronic radiation syndrome, providing the bulk of the data about this condition.[13]
To reduce the spread of radioactive contamination after the accident, contaminated soil was excavated and stockpiled in fenced enclosures that were called "graveyards of the earth".[14] The Soviet government in 1968 disguised the EURT area by creating the East-Ural Nature Reserve, which prohibited any unauthorised access to the affected area.
According to Gyorgy,[15] who invoked the Freedom of Information Act to gain access to the relevant Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) files, the CIA knew of the 1957 Mayak accident since 1959,[16] but kept it secret to prevent adverse consequences for the fledgling American nuclear industry. Starting in 1989 the Soviet government gradually declassified documents pertaining to the disaster.[17]



Current situation

The level of radiation in Ozyorsk itself is claimed to be safe for humans, but the area of EURT is still heavily contaminated with radioactivity.



Speaks volumes




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[Maunagarjana]

In regards to the video I posted above.....someone posted this message about it:

"I've just learned from Paola Harris who checked with Dr. Steven Greer that neither the photo used in the video, nor that video itself has been authorized by Dr. Greer. Apparently it IS his voice from a radio program yesterday on the World Puja Network. However at this time, I cannot speak for the authenticity of the photo. Either it is authentic and was leaked prematurely by someone in his group, or someone found a random ET photo and used it to make the video. My apologies."

[Seikou-Kishi]

Greer? Really? I hope when he's dissecting the body he doesn't slip and ruin his last remaining shred of credibility.

After how many goose chases, people think it sounds fun when he offers a donkey-follow? I mean, what could go wrong?

[Chip]

Couldn't agree more!

[mojo]

One of my friends is involved in the ET corpse that is under the care of Dr. Greer and will be a part of the movie. I wish I could say more but out respect for confidentiality I can't, but a quick side note, he met with the world's leading forensic examiners on fetuses and the results are very intriguing. He also shared with me that my own youtube video was under consideration for the movie, wow, what a surprise!

I know there are mixed feeelings about Greer on Avalon. Here's to hoping his movie can help find common ground towards disclosure.

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[Cidersomerset]

Things are hotting up with the possible alien scull Lloyd Pye is working on
and now this................


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http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg36/JonCurcio/full.jpg

Is this the ET corpse ??

[mojo]

My friend recently came to Oregon and had a skywatch visit. He shared about his meeting with all the bigwigs in a recent Santa Barbara gathering he attended, he showed me pictures not published on the web on his Ipad of the supposed ET. He physically got to handle the small corpse. He mentioned how dried out it was and a little information on how it was found but thats the gist of it and out of respect my silence must proceed.

@steve: Although that picture has been around the internet it doesnt hurt to ask him if they portray the features he seen or not, and perhaps his answer will help us decide and taking another step I will go as far as ask for a photo but I'm not sure if he will agree.

[n.cangiano]

Does anyone happen to know how this movie is going to be released? Will it actually hit the movie theaters, only on dvd, or released on the internet?

[mojo]

Dr Greer provides more insight on his research and shares a little on the upcoming movie Sirius. He introduces Paola Harris whom shares a little on the work she did for The Center for UFO Studies (CUFOS) and working for Dr. Allen Hyneck translating the Italian sighting reports.

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Interesting what he shared about his Mt Shasta expedition. One of the craft that materialzed was fired on by our gov black ops and witnessed by 40 people...he mentioned that we (military)have the ability to detect them...

...he sounded sure it was the para-military and PLF's abducting people.

...the work he is doing in the area of releasing free energy technologies should be commended.
...good interview imho.
...Paola opens up a little more at the end and sounds so real and authentic.

[Star Tsar]

Hey Mojo whats your opinion on Dr Greer's view on ET races?
I mean possible danger posed.
Brilliant interview by the way...
:)

[Abductee S]

It is speculated and probably true that Mt. Shasta has an underground ET base. Who they are is unknown, but most likely if they have been fired upon by the military, they are not who we want in our world. The agreements that were made in the past between our government and some ET races have been broken long ago by the ETs. Factions of the government who know much more than we, are doing what they see as appropriate - rid the planet of invaders.

The abductions of humans are being carried out by ET for the majority of cases. These are to convert some to their side, experiment on others to learn how we work, and in many cases keep the abductee for purposes that we would consider vial and unethical to us.

Dr. Greer, in my opinion, started out with a noble purpose of studying and learning about what was happening regarding the ET presence. Over time, he has been confused and wrongly directed by this ET presence into acting as one of their most vocal advocates. I feel he believes what he is doing is right and still has a good conscience. But the situation is getting more dire and serious and we can't keep thinking that it is good because I think it is not.

[mojo]

I'm not sure if SMC is a college but someone had their camera running and uploaded for viewing. It appears to be a recent event.

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...some interesting tidbits later in the vid...he mentions Marilyn Monroe's death and strange circumstances around it.
...he shows the ET corpse towards the end of the clip, the one that will be in the movie Sirius.
...in a round about way he mentioned my friend @34 minutes in whom was present at the lecture. Now I realize it was in Santa Monica. My friend showed me the ET corpse on his Ipad that Emery Smith filmed, he came to Oregon for a skywatching after this event in CA .

I thought it would be fun to add on the video of the person I mentioned that Dr Greer mentioned. This was his first visit to Oregon. The second time he visited a few weeks ago was after this event.

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I'm surprised about the synchronicity of this whole thread. I didnt know it was the event at first in California...and then to realize it at the end.

[mojo]

As a follow-up, the person mentioned had possesion of the ET corpse and got to take it to the UK where a top forensic examiner of fetuses looked at the remains and you hear the rest in the movie....;)

[mojo]

Our forum has mixed feeling about Greer as well as myself (i.e. his charging for fieldtrips) but there's good information that nobody else is saying.

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[M0JFK]

Well lets be honnest field trips cant fund themselfs can they? You cant expect Greer to fund them. Sooner or later you have to put your hand in your pocket and fork out the cash for the trip. I like Greer. He didnt have to do what he does today and he as realy taken the movment forward and its a credit to him.

[Tommy]

Just have to add, "first contact courses" for a thousand bucks a day shows to me (among other things, anyone read his biography?) that he is not in this whole-heartedly for the good of humanity.

This does not mean you should discount his stuff completely by any means, but it does certainly mean nothing is black nor white.

[Rocky_Shorz]

he renting timeshare in a space ship for the course?

will he accept one of these hunks of gold they told me to buy before running to the hills... ;)

[apollo41]

Greer is as crooked as they come?who does he really work for? erm let me think? could it be the the Rockefeller,s..
"no..no.. i hear you say" cant be?
check who funds him????????????

[AutumnW]

A very good friend of mine has spent a fortune going to Greer's extensive field trips, both in the US and abroad. She can afford it, no problem...so that's not an issue. She herself admits he's bat **** flaky, though highly intelligent....and she likes him and believes his theories, is constantly quoting him. Out in the desert, according to friend, anything and everything, is considered a "craft". This includes distant porch lights, planes, etc..etc.. Seeing as nobody has had to use their boarding pass or observe 'the protocols' yet, his understanding of the material nature of the et's has morphed. Now they are inter-dimensionsal and can't necessarily be seen but can be clearly 'felt' to be present. His ideas are shape shifting.

Plunk several suggestible individuals and a charismatic narcissist on the edge of some desert in the middle of the night and tell them they are feeling alien presences...and they will feel them. They are also very likely to see vague foggy patches, orbs and whispy sh** that we all see in total darkness. I can't help it. I just don't buy it. I really like the work he did on the Disclosure project, but I can't stomach the dog and pony show he's responsible for. He ends up neutralizing his best previous efforts. What a shame. And...of course it's about the money and the attention. He's a guru- wannabe.

He also has the VERY bad habit of condemning anybody who doesn't agree with his "the beings are all benevolent" idea as a member of the cabal Laughable. You can pretty much tell how wrong somebody is by such a strict fundamentalist approach. He's like Madame BlaFATsky on another forum which shall remain nameless.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Hi

Would like to add my "two cents" to the issue of paying for the spiritual or extraterestial experience.

I think that it is honest to ask the interested party for covering of some expenses. We live in the material world for the time being. Everything material has it's price tag. Bankers can spell money out of thin air but we can't. We can steel as they do so we would become them.

Back to Greer. If everything would be for free some wealthy figure would have to sponsor him. The wealthy figures can't help themselves but to stick their noses in every investment they make. If Greer would allow himself to be funded extensively he would loose control of Disclosure Project in no time. So he decided that participants will sponsor themselves with some commission added ;)

If you ask why his friendly E.T.s can't materialize some gold, money, food or any other material objects for him i would answer that it would be an outside intervention/interference in earthly affairs and abusing free will of the rest of population. Not sounds good to me...

And i am aware the above is a perfect cover for the scam. I hope it is not...

[wobbegong]

Greer & Co is basically "packaging" groups of humans and handing them over to the Interventionist ET forces so that they can be mentally manipulated. The CE-5 protocol should make it all easier for his ET friends, and much cheaper than abductions...
Interesting he emphasizes the fact that each person should communicate his precise location.

[onawah]

If there is proof of these allegations against Greer, I would like to hear them.
Badmouthing someone with nothing to back up your claims is easy and cheap.
The CE-5 outings are not cheap to organize, and Greer has two daughters in college to finance.
I have never been on any of Greer's organized outings, but I belong to the extended international CE-5 group that Kosta started, and had an amazing sighting the first time I went out to make Contact.
The detailed reports that come in every month from the international group are inspiring, and nobody is getting paid for doing that.

[Chris Gilbert]

I don't have any problem with someone charging for their time and effort, I think that oftentimes people don't realize just how much work some put into their efforts to change the world, and their insistence that it should all be "free" is really an entitlement complex.

A more relevant question would be the accuracy, reliability and actual value of the service someone is providing relative to the price. I was impressed by Greer's work with the Disclosure Project, and greatly enjoyed his "Hidden Truth" book. I'm not so sure though about these current workshops of his, I suspect that the stress of his work lead to a "jumping the shark" moment. It's unfortunate, but he is only human.

[DNA]

If there is proof of these allegations against Greer, I would like to hear them.
Badmouthing someone with nothing to back up your claims is easy and cheap.
The CE-5 outings are not cheap to organize, and Greer has two daughters in college to pay for.
I have never been on any of Greers organized outings, but I belong to the extended international CE-5 group that Kosta started, and had an amazing sighting the first time I went out to make Contact.
The detailed reports that come in every month from the international group are inspiring, and nobody is getting paid for doing that.
I listened to the interview and found myself amazed with how much i agreed. I'm looking forward to finding this group and checking out the experiences folks are sharing. I have a thread I discuss technologically interdimensional folks that are spot on to what Greer is describing. I'll cut and paste the thread tonight on my home computer. I'm on my phone now and such is not possible.

[wobbegong]

Perhaps some opinions above have been expressed in a lighthearted fashion, which is inappropriate for something as serious as this, but they still are genuine and potentially valid opinions, so please let’s withhold offensive judgements such as “easy and cheap” and continue the discussion in a constructive manner.
Proof of things in the alternative arena is often a very relative concept – not that we shouldn’t look for it, but let’s, for example, look at the proof that Greer brings. He says that “the mind is an omnipresent field”…omnipresent is a very, very big word, theories could be formulated on this, but defining them as “proof” would be amusing to say the least.
He also mentions that this initiative is for cosmic awareness and universal peace. Impossible to prove, just like most intentions, and pretty far fetched considering the vastness of the universe and the limited knowledge of it that we have. Isn’t it naïve to think that there is so much goodness waiting for us out there?
He says that “we need to be in touch with ALL ET civilizations”, IMO it is more than legitimate to disagree with this! Actually it’s not just me, a browse through some Avalon threads shows members’ contributions that bring ample evidence of malevolent interactions carried out by ET presence.
In light of that assumption it is absolutely reasonable to think that in spite of any good intention, this initiative is dangerous. He is assuming that giving these candidate contactees some training and a “protocol” will prepare them to have a safe interaction with any, yes, any ET entity. That is dangerous and apart from the impossibility to choose the benevolents over the malevolents for these encounters, on this planet there is absolutely no comprehensive enough study of the ET mind that would safeguard anybody from the potential danger of hostile ET manipulation. The fact that these encounters will supposedly take place in a mental environment does not mean that everything will be benevolent.
Another exposure is the fact that humanity is still too divided (for this we do have proof) therefore not ready to safely open its doors to foreign visitors.

[onawah]

That's not really the case; the meditations and protocols that the CE-5 people use are very grounded and positively oriented and would not attract negative entities.
Working in groups with experienced people in leadership is part of the protocol.

[DNA]

That's not really the case; the meditations and protocols that the CE-5 people use are very grounded and positively oriented and would not attract negative entities.
Working in groups with experienced people in leadership is part of the protocol.

I don't know what the protocols are, and I"ve never taken part in anything Steven Greer, but from what I've gleaned from this specific interview, I've had some experiences that are very much in line with what he is talking about.

Even down to the idea of a multidimensional aspect being projected through a technological method, I've personaly called it halographic projection because that is what it seems like to me. I find it pretty correlative as well that these interactions require an activation of your third eye.
From what I'm hearing from Greer, they are invisible but you can intuite they are there, but from my vantage they are in fact visible if you activate your third eye through meditation.
As for myself, my third eye isn't activated all the time, it takes a meditation, ussually three or four minutes.

Here is the thread I've posted outlining some of the events, Holographically Projected Human/Alien Healers (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?22614-Holographically-Projected-Human-Alien-Healers)
Here is another thread where I mention my interactions with them as well. My Interactions With A Shadow Being. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?28318-My-Interactions-With-A-Shadow-Being.)

[MBerger47]

That's not really the case; the meditations and protocols that the CE-5 people use are very grounded and positively oriented and would not attract negative entities.
Working in groups with experienced people in leadership is part of the protocol.
You are so terribly naive and I hope that you never experience negative ETs that have terrorized thousands (maybe millions) on this planet alone. You are the proverbial baby in the expression "stealing candy from a baby". In this case, however, you have much, much more to lose than just candy. You are jeopardizing your life, your eternal soul and the freedom of humanity on this planet as you engage in such a reckless practice of inviting ETs into your mind, your heart, your home, your planet.

[mojo]

Hi MBerger47,

There's definitely alot of support for that position just as there is alot of support in saying they are all benevolent. Some where in the middle perhaps the truth...

[DNA]

That's not really the case; the meditations and protocols that the CE-5 people use are very grounded and positively oriented and would not attract negative entities.
Working in groups with experienced people in leadership is part of the protocol.
You are so terribly naive and I hope that you never experience negative ETs that have terrorized thousands (maybe millions) on this planet alone. You are the proverbial baby in the expression "stealing candy from a baby". In this case, however, you have much, much more to lose than just candy. You are jeopardizing your life, your eternal soul and the freedom of humanity on this planet as you engage in such a reckless practice of inviting ETs into your mind, your heart, your home, your planet.

I would stop short of what your saying. I for one don't really buy into the whole Marshall Van Summers take, mostly because I don't think these greys for instance are extraterrestrial. There is just too much data supporting that they have been a terrestrial race for probably atleast as long as we have been here.
The stuff Phil Schnieder says supports this, from his Dulce stuff to his reporting that his father took pictures of saucers escaping bikini island when the nukes were dropped. Building on the Phil Schnieder stuff Anthony Sanchez has a pretty cool story that goes along the same vein, DULCE as reported to him by his whistle blower one Colonial X. (http://imaginativeworlds.com/forum/showthread.php?22933-DULCE-INTERVIEW-Anthony-Sanchez-interviews-Colonel-X&highlight=)
And I think this interview with Sanchez, Kerry Cassidy and Jay Weidner really helps to explain this situation with what are deemed terrestrial greys and cryptid humanoids. The latter being an ancient race of humans that were part of the initial breeding program as done by Annunaki. I really recomend it, Kerry is really in good form and the interview is just top notch.

My point in all of this, is that most of the stuff you would have to worry about, is actually home grown. Just my current best theory. :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0yvHKx5lkY

[wobbegong]

Mojo, IMO your call to a more middle of the road approach is wise, at the same time though let me dare say that the “all ETs are benevolent” approach does have the potential to be the riskiest one here.

Personally Mberger47’s points wold be convincing enough for me, but even if we want to overlook that, look at it this way: Greer says that “all ETs are benevolent”, at the same time on Earth we have both good and evil (he does not say it but it’s an obvious reality), people perpetrating evil, individuals perpetrating evil, and as DNA says, much “homegrown” evil to worry about too (maybe terrestrial ‘greys’, who knows).
So how can it be that the whole Universe is love and light except for Earth? Can we really be the last, very very last planet that has this polarity?
Does anyone here think this is possible?
My take is ‘no’, it is not possible that Earth be the only planet in the Universe that contains both good and evil.
Therefore, Onawah, personally I would not trust the experienced people of that CE-5 group because they obviously interpret their experience on the basis of this very weak “all ETs are benevolent” assumption.

I would say that the Universe out there is more likely to be a bit of a mix, just like things are here on Earth but in a much larger scale. So, a question for those that are more inclined towards this assumption: if we were to organize a similar initiative here on Earth, where instead of ETs it would be humans with psychic abilities on the planet being given the possibility to reach selected groups of individuals and enter their “mental environment” zone, because the candidates have been instructed to open up, give their precise location etc. Would you do it?
I wouldn’t. Imagine the creeps that would feast on this.
If the sponsors of the initiative were to say “all psychics are benevolent” and, in case they weren’t, the meditations and protocols are very grounded and positively oriented as to not attract negative entities, I would still not risk my mental sanity for such a project.

[onawah]

There are an awful lot of assumptions being made here.
If Greer has not had encounters with negative ETs, then he is not going to be concerned about them.
He is concerned about what our own black ops are doing, and he deserves a lot of credit for that, imho.
There is already enough evil being committed by human beings that nothing is being done about.
It's all too easy to blame negative ETs for all the ills on earth.
We need to take more responsibility.

I don't necessarily agree with him about the existence of negative aliens, nor do I agree that the CE-5 people are a bunch of followers of Greer.
I think they are actually a very diverse group of people with their own ideas and goals who are just joining together to increase their effectiveness and enjoyment of a mutual cause.

One thing I would imagine most must logically agree on, however, is that what you put out there is what comes back to you.
Your own personal mindset is what largely determines what kind of results you get.
And no doubt we are not all related to the same ETs, so that would seem to be a variable as well.


Meditating on higher dimensional beings, angels, Star People is not that different from any other meditation, including meditating on one's own Higher Self.
In my experience, such practices are not only safe, but healing and blissful, and positive results have been reported by millions for thousands of years.

If you are in fear, then fearful results are likely to be what you will get.

While the debate about Greer continues as usual, he is busy working on his latest project, a film which will feature lots of info about and evidence of sightings as well as new research on what appears to be an ET cadaver. Here is the latest update:

Phoenix Lights

On November 8, 2012, Dr. Greer, Dr. Bravo and Emery Smith were able to view the first draft of the Sirius film. While there is much work to do, they have confidence NEL will be able to meet our expectations for a film that will bring to prominence in a credible way the subject of Extraterrestrial Civilizations visiting planet Earth and the promise of New Energy. We are very excited.

We want to feature more of the material we have available to go into the film.
Dr. Lynne Kitei is an internationally acclaimed physician and health educator who pushed aside her successful medical career to pursue The Phoenix Lights book and internationally award-winning Documentary project.
( www.thephoenixlights.net)
She was leading the cutting edge era of early disease detection and prevention as Chief Clinical Consultant of the Imaging-Prevention-Wellness Center at the world renowned Arizona Heart Institute in Phoenix, Arizona until coming forward, after seven years of anonymity, as a key witness to the historic and still unexplained mass sighting throughout Arizona on March 13, 1997.

As you may know from reading Dr. Greer's book, "Hidden Truth - Forbidden Knowledge", the Phoenix Lights were really a CE-5 experience. Dr. Greer and his team were flying into Phoenix to work on a photo presentation for the ' 97 CSETI Congressional Briefings.
The team asked the ETs for an unambiguous event that could be used as part of the briefings and ..............The Phoenix Lights ensued.

Dr. Kitei has graciously opened her archive of photos to us .One of the particularly interesting aspects of this episode is that Governor Fife Symington while originally denying the Extraterrestrial origin of the Phoenix Lights came to publicly acknowledge that they did not originate here on earth. He is one of the few public officials to have the courage to do so.

We are very grateful to Dr. Kitei for sharing this material with us.

Interestingly we have also provided NEL with historic footage of the '97 Congressional Briefings held in Washington DC with representatives from many congressional offices.
It was at those Briefings that Dr. Ted Loder represented the governor of New Hampshire and first met Dr. Greer.

You can see there is compelling material for dozens of accounts proving Extraterrestrial visits to planet Earth from the display of ET craft over Phoenix to the testimony of the '97 Briefings and all that has happened since! Its an embarrassment of riches.




You are so terribly naive and I hope that you never experience negative ETs that have terrorized thousands (maybe millions) on this planet alone. You are the proverbial baby in the expression "stealing candy from a baby". In this case, however, you have much, much more to lose than just candy. You are jeopardizing your life, your eternal soul and the freedom of humanity on this planet as you engage in such a reckless practice of inviting ETs into your mind, your heart, your home, your planet.

[AutumnW]

That's not really the case; the meditations and protocols that the CE-5 people use are very grounded and positively oriented and would not attract negative entities.
Working in groups with experienced people in leadership is part of the protocol.

Why wouldn't the meditations attract negative entities? A wide open approach to all and sundry in the esoteric realm, might be red meat on a vibrational level, to all manner of hideous HP Lovecraft types of entities. How can you state with any certainty that that is not true? Just because there haven't been any cases of spontaneous human combustion at these events doesn't mean they are only attracting love and light.

In what sense is someone considered 'experienced', when it comes to ET or inter-dimensional being types of contact? If contact with weird unexplainable stuff is one of the criteria for being considered experienced, count me in. I say, believe nothing, question everything, avoid falling into reality tunnels of pre-existing beliefs and try to remain as objective as possible.

Another question that Greer, an avowed environmentalist, doesn't necessarily take into account when the question of whether the beings are malevolent or benevolent come up is--how do you even make that kind of value judgement? If we are wrecking the planet, wouldn't a life forms intent on wiping humans off the face of the earth, be considered somehow 'good'? Wouldn't an alien species that sought 'positive communication' with us, be somehow supporting the status quo?