Dr. Steven Greer (2010 - 2012)

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Material solely related to the Disclosure Project and the many witnesses involved

[Ventana]

I am curious what others' take on Steven Greer is. Knowing he is an ER doc I have a certain respect for him based on that, as I am an RN. I am a little bothered that he has "ambassador training" workshops that are fairly expensive. Has anyone been to one of these workshops? I am curious because he is obviously a keenly intelligent man. I just tend to distrust those who profit in this way from people's curiosity in the UFO phenomenon. I watched his Camelot "interview." I think Kerry should have been more neutral and just let him have his say. I apologize if I'm covering previously trodden ground here as I didn't participate in the PC forum. But Greer is compelling. Thoughts?

[Barron]

Re Greer, yes immense amount of discussion re him was covered off under the old Forums and whilst i thoroughly enjoyed his book Hidden Truth, Forbidden Knowledge one does have to ask 2 rather obvious questions....
1/ Surely in the ENTIRE Universe, not all ETs are good, that is, "service to others" as opposed to "service to self"? Or in simpler terms, surely not all ETs are wise, enlightenened and compassionate beings that would have humans best interests at heart? (!!) (As Greer apparently tends to think that ALL ETs are benevolent.)

2/ With his Orion Project and his access to top level scientists and ex-military men and his amount of fame which gives him huge access to people of both fortune as well as a very large quantity of people, and therefore one would have to assume plenty of finance also, how come no working Free Energy or over-unity model has been launched onto the world stage to upset the Illuminati, the Oil Barons etc and right the planet balance-wise and reduce pollution etc? That question does not make any sense really for surely if anyone could have pulled this off through his contacts it should have been him? Why the delay?

That, Ventana, were two of the major questions that were raised and debated in prior discussions.

[justpeter]

Greer does a radio show twice a month on the World Puja Network - http://www.worldpuja.org/home.php - where he gives updates on his various projects. At least I think he still does it - I used to listen to his shows when it was free but then the website made it subscription-only so I stopped logging on a few months ago.

It was quite interesting listening to the show he did imediately after the grilling by Bill and Kerry. He was playing the victim, to a certain degree, and said: "I'm not a polyanna", which I took to mean he doesn't actually believe all ETs are positive, although I haven't actually heard him say that exactly.

[Ixopoborn]

I am curious what others' take on Steven Greer is. Knowing he is an ER doc I have a certain respect for him based on that, as I am an RN. I am a little bothered that he has "ambassador training" workshops that are fairly expensive. Has anyone been to one of these workshops? I am curious because he is obviously a keenly intelligent man. I just tend to distrust those who profit in this way from people's curiosity in the UFO phenomenon. I watched his Camelot "interview." I think Kerry should have been more neutral and just let him have his say. I apologize if I'm covering previously trodden ground here as I didn't participate in the PC forum. But Greer is compelling. Thoughts?

Hi Ventana - for my money Greer is the real deal but, of course, that does not make him a saint exactly. I believe I am right in saying that Bill and Kerry's decision to launch Camelot was, at least in part, motivated by some of Greer's prior work. I have heard some say he suffers from an overly large ego but I persoanlly can put up with that. To have kept going for - what is it - 17 years or so takes courage and an indomitable character. So yes, I think a large ego is probably what he has to have had to maintain momentum all these years.

He got into trouble at the exoppolitics conference last summer with some delegates making accusations that Greer had threatened their lives! I was not there but that would strike me as a misread of events that took place. Of course, Greer is from the USA. On a number of occassions I have seen people from that country clumsily get into "language" difficulties when travelling in Europe.

Overall, I think Greer is cool and very much look forward to meeting him in person in Europe later this year.

[lisa]

Knowing he is an ER doc I have a certain respect for him based on that, as I am an RN. I am a little bothered that he has "ambassador training" workshops that are fairly expensive. Has anyone been to one of these workshops?
Having attended Greer's workshop and met him in person, I know that his workshops are a scam and many of the stories in "Hidden Truth" are made up. Unless he has become a totally different person since the 2001 Disclosure, I do not think that he was even a doctor. For further info, please search for my posts on this thread if you are interested: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15673

[samvado]

Having attended Greer's workshop and met him in person, I know that his workshops are a scam and many of the stories in "Hidden Truth" are made up. Unless he has become a totally different person since the 2001 Disclosure, I do not think that he was a doctor. Please search for my posts on this thread if interested: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15673

couldnt agree more - attended 2007 - 100% scam

[Ventana]

All of the above are great and insightful comments. As an RN, I realize Dr. Greer's ego more or less goes with the territory---many MD's have big egos and confidence, especially ER docs (surgeons are #1) so I'll give him a pass on that one:) I totally understand that some may see his views about "good" aliens as naive but on the other hand, I understand Greer's desire to break out of the old us vs. them paradigm. He undoubtedly had a lucrative career as an ER doc so he must be very dedicated to his current passion. I seriously doubt that he threatened anyone's life but he is in good physical condition and yes, we American's can be a little "in your face." I'm sure he had to get verbally forceful with a crazed ER pt or two in his career. I think it's called being assertive. lol. I find myself sometimes being that way in certain situations because in my professional life at work I'm used to having strict protocols and procedures and when I encounter a sloppy
effort in other situations I have to remind myself I'm not at work and I make myself chill out. I'm still bothered by the Ambassador Training
deal but since I've never attended such a session I'll just let that one alone for now. I wish him well and I intend to follow his progress and read a few of his books, which I haven't done---just heard him on Coast to Coast and internet interviews/talks like that on PC. I'm glad Bill and Kerry did the interview, however it went. I liked the spontaneity.

[Ventana]

couldnt agree more - attended 2007 - 100% scam

Disappointng to hear that!

[samvado]

Disappointng to hear that!

But I hit him hard, and got $ 600 back - I have to give him that :-)
and only because i was already in Shasta I met James Gilliland - which turned out to be the real deal.

[tone3jaguar]

I have been to one of the seminars and outings. I am not sure what happened to the other people in this thread when they went, if they went. However, what I can tell you is that the one that I went to was far from a scam. Post contact meditation though the night vision scopes present there where orbs floating all around the group. We saw one craft high in the atmosphere that was brighter than a star and took a 30 degree angular turn at very high speed. There was another object that strobed at us and responded to the lasers.

Not only that myself and some of my friends have replicated the contact protocols independent of Greer and gotten some significant signs of contact. Including pictures of illuminated craft and multiple hours in a row of electronic contact through simple radar laser detectors. I would seriously question the motives of anyone who makes blanket statements about the credibility of Greer.

[samvado]

here is a video of my experiences at gillilands ranch subsequent to my greer disaster:


http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-3623791061086076135&hl=de#

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Having attended Greer's workshop and met him in person, I know that his workshops are a scam and many of the stories in "Hidden Truth" are made up. Unless he has become a totally different person since the 2001 Disclosure, I do not think that he was even a doctor. For further info, please search for my posts on this thread if you are interested: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15673

Could you kindly elaborate on why in your opinion, the workshops are a scam? And how do you come by the conclusion the stories in his book are untrue?, in your opinion of course? You can check his medical background so you should be careful with these statements. This thread was originally intended for my placing of data etc concerning the Disclosure Project. I'd prefer it did not become hijacked with posts detailing members opinions on his validity, note the word OPINIONS.

[samvado]

if they went.

are you implying I make this up? appart from the ethical implications of such allegation - i have about 200 pictures to proof it.

greer is not only a fraud, he is also a psycho. his body speak volumes.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

What I do not wish to see, and will not allow, is the same thing that brought PA1 into disrepute, the constant comments about individuals that are based on mere opinions and with no real research. You should remember that here the majority of members are informed only by what they see, hear and read, not experienced, so statements of a certain kind should be well thought thru before posting openly.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

are you implying I make this up? appart from the ethical implications of such allegation - i have about 200 pictures to proof it.

greer is not only a fraud, he is also a psycho. his body speak volumes.
I'm stating quite openly that Dr Greer is no fraud, heavy descriptive words my friend, strong and damaging, pictures are open to interpretation, they prove nothing. I will not enter into arguments here but will certainly stand by Dr Greer as one of his witnesses, all 600+ of us. Kindly prove your allegations openly here or please refrain.

[samvado]

What I do not wish to see, and will not allow, is the same thing that brought PA1 into disrepute, the constant comments about individuals that are based on mere opinions and with no real research. You should remember that here the majority of members are informed only by what they see, hear and read, not experienced, so statements of a certain kind should be well thought thru before posting openly.

What are you talking about, I was there, I suffered this guy 2 WEEKS. every night the same thing, big talk, zero results. in the end he wanted to initiate me into his cosmic meditation.
too bad for him that

1) I was a TM siddhi with full "fertilizers" 30 years prior
2) He tried to give me my fertilizer mantra. when I called his bluff he got really angry.
3) he tried to sell everybody in the group this watered-down TM version as his OWN channeled from above version of contact meditation.

that is FRAUD by all definitions I know. Its not an opinion, I have lived thru it.

btw: we never saw anything remotely looking like a UFO. Not one in 2 weeks.

[samvado]

I'm stating quite openly that Dr Greer is no fraud, heavy descriptive words my friend, strong and damaging, pictures are open to interpretation, they prove nothing. I will not enter into arguments here but will certainly stand by Dr Greer as one of his witnesses, all 600+ of us. Kindly prove your allegations openly here or please refrain.

well, if you dont want to see the fotos which proof nicely that I was there and when (of course I could have faked them but why? and just now? in a few minutes???)
but hey, you dont want to hear anything diverting from you religious beliefs in this guy - be my guest.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Seeing a craft is definately not guaranteed I'm sure. The vast majority whom attend come away with positives rather than negatives. It appears you were the one unfortunate whom did not come away positive, it can happen. I would have thought that by attending you would participate with the session protocols laid out, by going against the standard issues you rocked the boat. Unfortunately you had a bad experience, majority have good ones. But that should not mean you should be disrespectful and post untruths about him.

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well, if you dont want to see the fotos which proof nicely that I was there and when (of course I could have faked them but why? and just now? in a few minutes???)
but hey, you dont want to hear anything diverting from you religious beliefs in this guy - be my guest.

I'm not doubting you were there, you were stating its a scam so prove that? Your latter remarks are insulting and beneath an adult response

[samvado]

[B][I]Seeing a craft is definately not guaranteed I'm sure.


thats not what I was told - but it might have been in the fine-print.



The vast majority whom attend come away with positives rather than negatives.


which vast majority? - you dont LISTEN: NO-BODY saw a UFO - not one UFO, not one person - during the entire time. not even after I left which was only on the day before last.



I would have thought that by attending you would participate with the session protocols laid out,


you would have thought correctly, after all initially I had no reason to suspect fraud. but it became apparent at about half way thru.



by going against the standard issues you rocked the boat.


what are you talking about? in what way did I rock the boat the first 10 days? I really rocked it after he pulled that TM stunt on us, but that was towards the end.



Unfortunately you had a bad experience, majority have good ones.


repeating nonsense doesnt make it true. not in real life anyway.



But that should not mean you should be disrespectful and post untruths about him.


He is a scammer - how disrespectful is that?

I am not responsible for your misguided beliefs in this guy.

[lisa]

Could you kindly elaborate on why in your opinion, the workshops are a scam? And how do you come by the conclusion the stories in his book are untrue?, in your opinion of course? You can check his medical background so you should be careful with these statements. This thread was originally intended for my placing of data etc concerning the Disclosure Project. I'd prefer it did not become hijacked with posts detailing members opinions on his validity, note the word OPINIONS.
Please search my posts on PA1: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15673 if you are interested.
You mentioned that your handlers want you to talk about this. However, this issue has been beaten to death in PA1 and most people here already know Greer for who he is, so I do not want to bore everybody. Hope you and your handlers understand.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Again all I can say is that on any particular session, the majority will have an enlightened positive experience, some do see craft, lights, etc, some do not. Its obviously not guaranteed. Rightly or wrongly you feel bitter but this does not give you the right to call Dr Greer a scammer, fraud or psycho, they are defammatory remarks which could lead to problems by his attorney should he wish to, but he is bigger than that and can ride off all and any such remarks. Put it behind you I suggest but kindly refrain from openly posting such remarks unless you can prove he is a scammer, fraud and psycho. In the UK this would be grounds for a lawsuit.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Please search my posts on PA1: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15673 if you are interested.
You mentioned that your handlers want you to talk about this. However, this issue has been beaten to death in PA1 and most people here already know Greer for who he is, so I do not want to bore everybody. Hope you and your handlers understand.
Most people know for who he is? kindly elaborate. Besides I started this thread for data re disclosure, being one of his witnesses. If you are referring to the mud slinging at PA1 by handful of people then I have no time for such. Me and my handlers know Dr Greer has walked the walk, talked the talk, has direct experience in this field, as does his witnesses. Rather than joe public whom has NO experience in this other than watching reading and seeing materials. Yes Disclosure IS THE thing to push, and whether you wish to know or not Dr Greer began the Disclosure Project for that reason. To open YOUR eyes, media and joe public.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

I'm going to suggest, in as nice a way as possible, to kindly refrain from posting on this thread at least until I have had the chance to place all the planned info and data here. If this cannot be adhered to I shall request moderators or admin to delete the thread. Pointless in seeing this ruined by those whom wish to backstab Dr Greer, which in turn reflects on us witnesses, in turn the whole disclosure movement.

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Kindly keep thread clear, thankyou

[lisa]

Me and my handlers know Dr Greer has walked the walk, talked the talk, has direct experience in this field, as does his witnesses.
Btw, who are your handlers?

[SPIRIT WOLF]

As mentioned many times on several forums.......DI (Defence Intelligence) from UK MoD

PLEASE, keep thread clear for time being, thankyou

[tone3jaguar]

Watcher, sorry that I feel the need to reply to samvado. I totally understand where you wanted this thread to go. You should once again have your specific area to work in like you did in AV1 and some admin access so that you can lock down the information threads that you would like to provide to us.

Oh boy, I can not believe that I am allowing myself to be sucked into a debate with captain thread jack (samvado). Especially after I stated that I was staying out of this kind of ridiculousness from now on. However, due to my respect for Steven Greer, here we go......

Samvado, you say you spent 2 weeks with Greer in 2007 and it only cost you 600 before a refund? Hmmm, that is interesting. I am pretty sure that if he did give 2 week excursions that it would cost more than that. Moreover, you where not satisfied and he gave you your money back? That one is a little hard to believe as well.

He does clearly state during the his trainings that he does not guarantee you will have all of your expectations met. This includes the expectation that a craft will for sure show up. If you missed that part then you where either never with him, or you where not paying attention.

You are a lifelong TM meditator and your ego is so fragile that me typing the word "if" is enough to send you off on an enraged frenzy? Yeah, that does not exactly fit either. Sorry:(

Fertilizer Mantra? You mean the Am Na Ma mantra? So what if you had already heard it before. Was he supposed to change his entire coaching style to fit your particular expertise or something? Dude, get over it.

The contact protocol is a watered down version of TM? I have never had any of the pay 2000 bucks for TM lessons, but I am pretty sure that they are not concise versions of the contact protocols.

Samvado, I think that it is your story that is not adding up. You have over played you hand on this one and are disrespecting an individual, The Watcher, who was a vetted whistle blower from the original disclosure project. As Bill Ryan stated after you thread jacked his Bill Deagle thread, you should really consider chilling out a little bit.

Assuming that you are clever enough to deceive everyone here into believing that you are some sort of enlightened TM master is laughable. I think you need to spend less time parked in front of a computer and more time learning how to be a happy person. Good day.

[samvado]

Watcher, sorry that I feel the need to reply to samvado.

you must by now realize how childish you behave. If you provoke a response, that would never have come had you just shut up, this thead would possibly be more like thewatcher wanted it, but alas, you couldnt, you had to give in to the itch - childish.

You call me names like "thread jack" (what is that supposed to mean?) and try to intimidate me - how is that going to help you favorite psychopath Dr. Greer?
I mean, in my life I have seen all kinds of people paying respect to all kinds of extremely shady people. being german it takes one good look into history to see half a people do just that (and looking at the US - history repeats) - but I disgress.

You indeed must be very challenged if you are able to read into what I said that I am under the impression "to be some kind of enlightend TM master".
First off, TM is mostly a scam. IN 1976 (I believe it was) it was promised that doing the siddhis would ensure eternal life in the body. Maharishi just died of old age a year or so ago. While the original TM MAY BE good for relaxation it has not much to do with meditation as I understand it now. Its keeping the miind busy. So much for that.

The course did cost 700, 600 was refunded. dont take it from me, ask your favorite psycho. he surely will remember me :-)

why is he a psychopath? there are definitions describing behavioral patterns that fit the bill for the most part. he is extremly controlling, even to his immediate environment, "friends" associates and us, the participants. He talks like a psycho, using all kinds of manipulative techniques to guide a discussion (if discussion was ever possible, mostly it was monologue).
and finaly his body - build & posture indicate that mental aberation too. The typical inverted pyramid, inflated chest, underdeveloped pelvis area.
I have among other things been trained in bodyreading and NLP. I see such things.



Oh boy, I can not believe that I am allowing myself to be sucked into a debate with captain thread jack (samvado). Especially after I stated that I was staying out of this kind of ridiculousness from now on. However, due to my respect for Steven Greer, here we go......


oh boy indeed, may I suggest meditation? for you dynamic meditation, one of oshos favorites, would be best I think.



That one is a little hard to believe as well.


no need to believe, call him.

OK, I will now retreat from this childish exchange. brabble on if you like, be my guest - I think I mentioned that already...

[jaybee]

[B][I]I'm going to suggest, in as nice a way as possible, to kindly refrain from posting on this thread at least until I have had the chance to place all the planned info and data here. If this cannot be adhered to I shall request moderators or admin to delete the thread. Pointless in seeing this ruined by those whom wish to backstab Dr Greer, which in turn reflects on us witnesses, in turn the whole disclosure movement


Isn't the back-stabbing designed to do exactly what you have refered to above...to reflect on the
Witnesses and the whole Disclosure Project?

All the stuff directed at Greer's workshops and the direction he has taken since the historic DP, can and IS used to discredit, by association, the whole project. It is only by association that the
project can be debunked......indirectly.

When I first saw the DP I was stunned...as I'm sure many/most people were.


I've just watched the first hour again here...to refresh my memory.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk&feature=related


It's hard to know what was potential classified secret technology and what could have been ET ?

But the thing is..if ETs are coming to earth in some way...by craft or what-ever...then they must
be using some kind of inter-dimensional ? Time travel ? type method. Just regular air/space travel
would not get them here...

So it's hard to tell what could be secret technology and what could be them.

Some of the witnesses in the first hour are talking about the 1950s...and surely more exotic means of human transport would have been in it's infancy then...so this increases the possibility
that what they saw was ET...whether that be 'others' or our own kind time-traveling.

I can understand your frustration, Watcher...but NOTHING anyone says about the workshops
and whatnot...can take away the sheer quality of the actual Disclosure Project.

Cheers

[tone3jaguar]

you must by now realize how childish you behave. If you provoke a response, that would never have come had you just shut up, this thead would possibly be more like thewatcher wanted it, but alas, you couldnt, you had to give in to the itch - childish.

I am pretty sure that you are attempting to use some sort of reverse psychology here to try and get me to go defensive. Nice try, I am not concerned with your judgments.


You call me names like "thread jack" (what is that supposed to mean?) and try to intimidate me - how is that going to help you favorite psychopath Dr. Greer?

Thread Jack, means that you hijack threads. I do not think that you are going to get anyone besides yourself to disagree with that. Try to intimidate you? I do not know where you picked that up from.


I mean, in my life I have seen all kinds of people paying respect to all kinds of extremely shady people. being german it takes one good look into history to see half a people do just that (and looking at the US - history repeats) - but I disgress.

That statement is so ambiguous that I can't even comprehend what it means.


You indeed must be very challenged if you are able to read into what I said that I am under the impression "to be some kind of enlightend TM master".

Perhaps you do not remember typing this...
1) I was a TM siddhi with full "fertilizers" 30 years prior


The course did cost 700, 600 was refunded. dont take it from me, ask your favorite psycho. he surely will remember me :-)

We all know that he would not respond to communication where he was being badgered about "Once upon a time did some guy blah blah blah?" Stating that we should ask him to find out is a zero risk situation for you.


he is extremly controlling, even to his immediate environment, "friends" associates and us, the participants. He talks like a psycho, using all kinds of manipulative techniques to guide a discussion (if discussion was ever possible, mostly it was monologue).

Are you describing Greer, or yourself here?


and finaly his body - build & posture indicate that mental aberation too. The typical inverted pyramid, inflated chest, underdeveloped pelvis area.
I have among other things been trained in bodyreading and NLP. I see such things.

Body type and fitness paradigm indicate mental status? He is a body builder, so what? You judge people based off of the way they look? Good luck with that.


oh boy indeed, may I suggest meditation? for you dynamic meditation, one of oshos favorites, would be best I think.

I already do daily Japa meditation. If you are reading any kind of mental instability into my communication style then perhaps you are mirroring.

[Ixopoborn]

tone3jaguar has made good rebuttal relies to samvado's earlier points in my opinion.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

OK I give in..................disclosure will wait

[two-R-one]

OK I give in..................disclosure will wait

why? because of someone posting in opposition? there's going to be people that disagree and people that agree--that's just the way it is in this world. It's healthy! Sam is a contrarian and keeps things well grounded (um to the extreme I might add).. abrasive and opinionated? yup! so what, it's just part of the great mix of souls.. carry on I say, and don't let the bumps in the road foul your coarse ... there is nothing wrong with seeing both sides of an issue. Sam, you should cool it with the name-calling and throwing your opinion around as fact.. that's just my opinion. I like to read your contrarian views but dude, your like a bull in a china closet that doesn't give a crap about the china.

be well everyone

[Ixopoborn]

Personally, I cant wait for things on this thread to fall to a level of calm reasoned argument. I want to hear from TheWatcher but believe he will not begin to take this thread in his intended direction until calm prevails. I hope we can agree to get to that state soon.

[tone3jaguar]

Hey Watcher, perhaps the title of this thread could be changed and archived in the off topic section so that you could start a new clean one. Sorry for adding to the muddying of this one.

[pilotsimone]

As usual, I think those on here who strongly desire to discredit Dr. Greer try way too hard.

Hopefully, this will encourage others to seek out CSETI groups in their area. I didn't attend any of Dr. Greer's outings, but have attended a local CSETI outing. Two of the people involved did attend a CSETI event w/Dr. Greer in previous years. Their stories and experiences are similar to what Tone3Jaguar has expressed already.

Our local outing produced some exciting lights and streaks that don't fit the pattern of satellites, meteors, planes, etc. Not to mention some personal sightings we've had just from our home (streaks mainly, but one lighted object that didn't move at all...except to rotate and flash lights of white and red for several minutes before disappearing).

Very exciting!

I encourage everyone interested to seek out one of these local groups. You can prove this stuff to yourself, ya know. ;)

[kriya]

Please continue Barry.........

Love,

Kriya

[Jnana]

I've been to a week long CSETI workshop and many interesting things happened besides lights in the sky, and there were plenty of those too - definitely not your standard earth technology. As far as I'm concerned, Greer is the real deal. As I understand it, CSETI is a grass-roots approach to disclosure. Greer is still working on informing the Obama administration behind the scenes, but who knows if that will ever amount to anything. I've organized a group to show people the sorts of things I've seen and the ETs seem to be supportive of that effort - they keep showing up. It doesn't amount to a lot of people, but once you've seen for yourself, it changes how you think about this more than any amount of recorded testimony could. Such testimony is certainly valuable, I would never have gone to CSETI training without The Disclosure Project, but seeing for yourself is a big step beyond that.

The other part of disclosure, telling the truth about all the nasty things done in secret programs like The Watcher talks about, I really don't know what will help that. I suppose more people willing to think outside the box, start accepting things that people like The Watcher have to say, and stop believing the lies the government tells them, is a start.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

I will resume shortly, but please lets try and get the data here first before picking holes

[Ventana]

I apologize to you Watcher as I obviously didn't understand the true intent of your thread, that is, I was unaware of your whistleblower status. I'm willing to wait for more info to be posted. As I stated in my original post I find Greer compelling and I am eager to learn more. I am new to this forum, didn't participate in PA1, though I have watched and read many of the interviews and presentations. Peace.

[Vidya Moksha]

I will resume shortly, but please lets try and get the data here first before picking holes

Sorry also to add even more undisclosed weight, but cant you set up a special interest forum?, I believe you would have full moderators rights if you did,.. ultimate control.. chat and ffedback could be posted up here....

[SPIRIT WOLF]

That sounds a very good idea, will check with admin

[shiva777]

Greer thinks all ET's are benevolent and interacting with any of them is always a positive experience...what does that tell you?...what it tells me is that he has been mislead and is being manipulated by ET's that tune in to his frequency who are not telling the whole story.

One of the many examples of ET's who are not on the "same side" is the work of ed Grimsley ,who with his night vision goggles and videos shows UFO's FIGHTING each other...now if ALL ET races were highly evolved and on the same side would they be trying to blow each other to bits?...come on people THINK....Greer has some HUGE blindspots and is another one of these people who think they are doing GOOD work for the humanity but are being mislead...oh yeah...ANNUNAKI,good guys?...come on THINK

[mcrose]

I agree with you on this. I believe Greer to be highly manipulated. I belive that most if not all of these guys to be, they just don't know it yet, but I think soon the truth will all come out for everyone to see, and there will be a lot of shock for everyone, but that everyone will be healed, and that we all will have a very bright future.

[Swami]

April 23, 2010
By Stan Deyo

In early October of 2000 when Holly and I still lived on our farm in Australia we flew to Colorado to check out a place where we planned to move in the coming year. During that trip I was asked by Dr. Steven Greer to give my testimony on video for his disclosure project, which was ostensibly formed to force the U.S. Government and other major nations of the world to officially announce the presence of aliens on our planet.

Dr. Steven Greer had a friend of his interview me in a two-hour, videotaped session at a private home near NORAD. Holly videotaped Dr. Greer's friend and me as he took my testimony regarding my knowledge of the 'alien' presences and agenda here on Earth.

Holly and I returned home to Australia and eventually moved to Colorado in early 2001. To my surprise Dr. Greer never used the interview nor referenced the content of it in his drive to force disclosure. In fact, we never heard from him again. We wondered why he had ignored my testimony when it was he who called for it.

http://standeyo.com/NEWS/10_Weird/100423.disclosure.project.html

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Oh dear, yeah lets continue to character assasinate Greer, the in thing is it? Can't wait to find out we are all manipulated as mcrose states, oh dear, cannot trust us anymore eh? No wonder very few witnesses and whistleblowers frequent these places, look what faces them. I can say I'm really fed up with the narrowness of people, and ignorance of people, you are after all joe public and not the great informed experienced insiders you try to assasinate with words. This is becoming just like PA1.......a stinkhole

[bluestflame]

when i'm in a conversation and i want to hear what the other person has to say , usually i will stop speaking so I can focus my attention on what they are saying , then decide if the information they are providing is relevant to me and think about what I would like to say in reply and what effect my words are most likely to have ~☼~

[SPIRIT WOLF]

The level of disrespect here for those putting themselves out to open your eyes is amazing. This is just same as the big joke called PA1. I think I should no longer waste my valuable time here and move on to more mature locations. To the real truth seekers, you will find the answers you seek, to the rabble here simply to boost their own self importance and continuing slagging of better individuals than they can continue to run in circles blinded by the truth. CYA

[mcrose]

Watcher, I am sorry, I didn't mean to upset anyone here. I was just stating my opinion, we have all been lied to here on this earth, and we all have suffered, no one knows the absolute truth, but that's what we all are striving for. Greer and others in my opinion really think they know what is going on, but they and all of us have been mind controlled, and someday I really think we will all get to see the truth. That's all I ment by what I said. I am no authority on anything, God forbid. But I think we all have a right to say how we feel about things. I am new here, just trying to search out what the truth is, I am certenly not trying to piss anyone off. I am sorry if you thought I was assasinating his character, that was NOT my intention.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

The straw that broke the camels back. I have asked admin to remove my membership effective immediately. See you all around.

[Majorion]

Greer thinks all ET's are benevolent and interacting with any of them is always a positive experience...what does that tell you?
Hi shiva, firstly let me just say that I don't like Greer, for a whole host of reasons, but what this tells me is that he is less of a fear monger compared to the rest of these ufo speakers, in all fairness.


One of the many examples of ET's who are not on the "same side" is the work of ed Grimsley ,who with his night vision goggles and videos shows UFO's FIGHTING each other
Some of those Ed Grimsley videos are good, but I have to say that's quite a leap to conclude its et, let alone malevolent aliens. They are called ufos for the simple reason they are unidentifiable, for all you know its covert military exercises with experimental craft. My theory would seem more likely, afterall it wouldn't make much sense nor would it be logical for et's to be battling in our planet's orbit, they have the whole universe to fight if they want to. So I honestly believe you should reconsider that reasoning. Many ufo sightings, pictures, and videos are immediately equated to et, there needs to be much more detailed evidence before we can say what-belongs-to-whom.

[Ross]

Hi, so sorry, I thought you had your own special interest forum....my mistake, Perhaps admin can create this for you?

Peace

Ross

[Ixopoborn]

Oh dear, yeah lets continue to character assasinate Greer, the in thing is it? Can't wait to find out we are all manipulated as mcrose states, oh dear, cannot trust us anymore eh? No wonder very few witnesses and whistleblowers frequent these places, look what faces them. I can say I'm really fed up with the narrowness of people, and ignorance of people, you are after all joe public and not the great informed experienced insiders you try to assasinate with words. This is becoming just like PA1.......a stinkhole


The level of disrespect here for those putting themselves out to open your eyes is amazing. This is just same as the big joke called PA1. I think I should no longer waste my valuable time here and move on to more mature locations. To the real truth seekers, you will find the answers you seek, to the rabble here simply to boost their own self importance and continuing slagging of better individuals than they can continue to run in circles blinded by the truth. CYA


The straw that broke the camels back. I have asked admin to remove my membership effective immediately. See you all around.

I could not agree more with TheWatcher and am not surprised by his action in resigning from this forum today.

This forum has become a place for cheap, aggressive, ill considered and often worthless comment, the net effect of which is to destroy the value of reading and posting for many current members.

If this forum is to be a place of genuine learning through sharing, how do personalised attacks help in that? How do aggressively written opinions help? How does "threadjacking" help? How do meaningless quick posts help?

The value of any forum stems from the weight and gravitas of commentary - otherwise it fast becomes not even worth logging on. Why would you log on if you have to wade through masses of garbage before you find something enlightening? The more seriously intent members will simply turn their attention to other more fruitful ways of learning and sharing. The forum then degenerates to meet the level of the lowest common contribution denomiator.

Yesterday and today we have seen TheWatcher get so understandably fed up that he has resigned. Other very important contributors will, no doubt, soon do the same silently and without a fuss. The more astute Avalonians will then notice a significant drop in quality and, by natural tendancy, post less than before.

The net result will be a speedy reversion to AV1 days when almost the only people left posting are highly opinionated but ignorant with posting styles to match.

The resignation of TheWatcher is, in my opinion, just a foreshock of a destructive "earthquake" now almost certain to follow - the end of Avalon forum as a worthwhile repository of astute comment for those wishing the learn and share.

Sorry, but those are the facts.

[jaybee]

I hear you Ixopoborn....and can sympathise with The Watchers frustration.
Whenever Steven Greer is brought up, the character assassination begins.

It's very time and energy consuming to be fully involved with forums touching on anything to do with conspiracy, UFOs, ETs etc etc etc.. Negative posters can soon reduce a thread to a shambles.
Are they working for the famous Powers That Be...or just getting caught up with the mistrust? ????

Divide and rule....cause mistrust and doubt... Don't want to open up a can of worms, but when there was the Greer/Bill + Kerry 'split' my heart sank. Then Bill and Kerry split.... the spooks must
be quite pleased with themselves.

I don't know what can be done about it all. I surpose we just carry on, trying to pick out the gems of info from the rubbish. I doubt that there's a conspicacy forum on the net that isn't frequented by
fake members...trying to influence the flow of information and discussion. Unfortunately this is 'par for the course' now. IMO.

[jaybee]

IMO, Steven Greer is an amazing guy, who has done so much for Disclosure. He seems to work his socks off doing his bit, in his own way, for interplanetary peace and bringing information to the public.

In this presentation, in the second half he talks about the interface between human consciousness and ET communication.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0oLJNfs_rM

[K626]

I was going to put my personal thoughts on Greers work (most of it postive and some little negative issues) but perhaps should let this thread cool down first.

love

K

[shiva777]

in most ancient cultures,in their myths and legends they speak of Reptilian/Annunaki/Negative ET groups coming to earth ,changing things for the worse and being worshipped as God's by the ignorant beings,such as Greer and his followers....there are also stories of positive ET's in most cultures also

If you were going to another planet and you weren't absolutely sure that it's inhabitants were friendly would you tell everyone else coming with you that they were...that's essentially what Greer does...seems to me he is a perfect spokesman for the secret Govt to pave the way for a faked UFO contact where people would once again,as in the distant past,accept anything these "superior" beings say...proj Bluebeam anyone?,,
,both Govt and off-world
One of the millions of stories about how people were taken against their will by ET groups....this woman has a very compelling story and some good video and photo evidence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRPV-NlNUdU&feature=player_embedded

[jaybee]

One of the millions of stories about how people were taken against their will by ET groups....this woman has a very compelling story and some good video and photo evidence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRPV-NlNUdU&feature=player_embedded



In my opinion there was nothing compelling about that video. The people in it were obviously actors. And the hybrid baby that was aborted.....well. It was pretty...pretty comical, that is.

The fear-factor rears it's head....again.

Another don't trust Greer post......:cool:

edit for spelling

[Agape]

in most ancient cultures,in their myths and legends they speak of Reptilian/Annunaki/Negative ET groups coming to earth ,changing things for the worse and being worshipped as God's by the ignorant beings,such as Greer and his followers....there are also stories of positive ET's in most cultures also

If you were going to another planet and you weren't absolutely sure that it's inhabitants were friendly would you tell everyone else coming with you that they were...that's essentially what Greer does...seems to me he is a perfect spokesman for the secret Govt to pave the way for a faked UFO contact where people would once again,as in the distant past,accept anything these "superior" beings say...proj Bluebeam anyone?,,
,both Govt and off-world
One of the millions of stories about how people were taken against their will by ET groups....this woman has a very compelling story and some good video and photo evidence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRPV-NlNUdU&feature=player_embedded


Hello Shiva and all,

thank you for the video you've posted, very interesting and compelling piece of evidence, rare to contain some visible proofs .

Allow me to add my few cents please...with respect to all participating in this discussion.

As human race, we do not have full knowledge about ourselves even, but what we do have and always did is number of scientific, philosophical, religious and alternative leading theories trying to explain and expand human status , since times immemorial.
From the oldest legends to super modern labs, the real nature of our fight against time , disease, and suffering in general is genuine research .
None of our past beliefs were without flaw, though they were preached and taught to represent the highest dogma and truth
and the same can be said about presence .

The little chat and fire ups we may have on these boards do not change anything substantial in this world unless some are ready to reflect upon them and act when circumstances call them.

Every genuine scientist admits having doubts . To question our senses, check the results again and try to repair ones self without jumping to immediate conclusions is the spirit of science we need .

Dr. Greer is admirable figure because he had something real with what he found to be real in his own life, contact with ETs ,
and had to go all the way against the stream and called people to action.
How many others were able to do the same ?

Most so called 'experts' and people on the 'right chairs' I know are hiding their heads in the sand rather than to face someones uncommon difficulties .

Can you bring here another few technical experts who are really interested to research ET related phenomena, abductions etc. ?
I know few 'would be interested' but...they're exactly afraid to go against the stream, academic settings, the whole system, but who will change the world if not us, if not them.

It'd not be natural even if Dr Greer held all the keys, knew all the truth ( wonder what it'd make of him, space oracle perhaps ? ) ,
consider the vastness of space and specifics of each of the many intelligent beings who exist somewhere there and whom we know so little about ..

But we have to start somewhere , to come closer to the exact truth one day , to be able to see things as they are or know how they are based on scientific evidence .

He's just one of many but he has done something about it after all ...

In the current state of civilisation, we can't be living on beliefs . We need to understand what is that is going with us , among us, based on facts and experiences and we need science to be able to do the research.

In Truth

A

[Majorion]

in most ancient cultures,in their myths and legends they speak of Reptilian/Annunaki/Negative ET groups coming to earth
Are you just quoting Sitchen's theories here, or are have you actually done the research? you're stating this as fact, when this is merely an interpretation.


The people in it were obviously actors. And the hybrid baby that was aborted.....well. It was pretty...pretty comical, that is.

Another don't trust Greer post......:cool:
jaybee, its funny you say that, because Steven Greer claimed to be in possession of an alien baby.


Dr. Greer is admirable figure because he had something real with what he found to be real in his own life, contact with ETs ,
and had to go all the way against the stream and called people to action.
How many others were able to do the same ?
Richard Hoagland did an NPC event, James Fox did an NPC event with very credible witnesses. What Greer did wasn't that special, it wasn't as far-reaching or such a big headline as you seem to suggest, some witnesses regret placing their trust in him, while others like astronaut Edgar Mitchell did not want to become involved with him to begin with.

[shiva777]

Majoron,research has been done by many people clearly showing Negative ET interactions in many.many cultures myths,religions and teachings...google Michael Tsarion,Michael Tellinger,David Icke,David Wilcock,William Henry etc,etc as well as all of the "whistleblowers" proj camelot has interviewed that have interacted with ET's..or just google ET-myth-religion....

and Jaybee...how about some evidence that that was faked..

again...wait for Ashayana Deanes video with Kerry-proj Camelot coming out soon ,,,even if you don't agree with much of it I can guarantee it will get you thinking,most proj camelot stuff pales in comparison

[Majorion]

google Michael Tsarion,Michael Tellinger,David Icke,David Wilcock,William Henry etc,etc

or just google ET-myth-religion....
That's the thing, google is not actual research, its just a reference point, and besides having done all that already, I found nothing concrete to validate what you're saying, other than a group of people who author similar books, tell the same stories, and accomodate each other. You'll often find them referencing each other too, this is not surprising. I notice you do not cite Erik Von Daniken, or Michael Cremo, who are the original theorists behind AAT and suppressed ancient history, if you haven't then you should read those books, which subsequently inspired the others.

David Icke is a guy that has been taken to an extreme, he writes wonderful books, a lot of it is true, but some of it definitely isn't, its not the Gospel its made out to be. Wilcock, well let's just leave that one for now. Michael Tsarion is primarily inspired by Jordan Maxwell, why didn't you mention him? William Henry covers fascinating topics, but how reliable are his conclusions? not much for those keeping track, just another guest on C2C.

[bluestflame]

why is it that some people seem to be threatened if you believe something different to them and it's thier mission to berate, humiliate and harass the other person into submission or absence , whilst promoting thier own unproven one

[perfectresonance]

why is it that some people seem to be threatened if you believe something different to them and it's thier mission to berate, humiliate and harass the other person into submission or absence , whilst promoting thier own unproven one

The positive answer would be... to protect you from possible harm?

[jaybee]

jaybee, its funny you say that, because Steven Greer claimed to be in possession of an alien baby.
.

Do you have anything more on that? I've tried to find some info, but it's all a bit vague and when it is brought up, seems to be used to ridicule Greer.
And I have yet to come across anything to pin it down to something definite....



and Jaybee...how about some evidence that that was faked..

Sorry...I don't have that. But everything about the video you posted screams FAKE to me.

[Agape]

That's the thing, google is not actual research, its just a reference point, and besides having done all that already, I found nothing concrete to validate what you're saying, other than a group of people who author similar books, tell the same stories, and accomodate each other. You'll often find them referencing each other too, this is not surprising. I notice you do not cite Erik Von Daniken, or Michael Cremo, who are the original theorists behind AAT and suppressed ancient history, if you haven't then you should read those books, which subsequently inspired the others.

David Icke is a guy that has been taken to an extreme, he writes wonderful books, a lot of it is true, but some of it definitely isn't, its not the Gospel its made out to be. Wilcock, well let's just leave that one for now. Michael Tsarion is primarily inspired by Jordan Maxwell, why didn't you mention him? William Henry covers fascinating topics, but how reliable are his conclusions? not much for those keeping track, just another guest on C2C.

This is true and it's difficult to find any actual 'researchers' these days who would be backed up with enough enthusiasm and settings to investigate newly acquired information especially when it does not fit to the known-to-them columns .
Most of the 'old boys' I've seen or met on the net are either tired after 40 years of fight against the system and seem to have 'thousands of cases' on their drives that make no special difference anymore because everyone can have access to it nowadays ,
or they're open-mindedly occuppied with their favourite ET theory and pushing all their literary efforts in that direction to prevent their minds from final crash and get the money back somehow,

and then there's of course lots of youthful enthusiasts who did not do quite their homework yet so find difficult to decide about anything ,
and follow the 'elders' of this group,

not to forget about all the beautiful spiritual souls like Ashayana Deane who 'already found' and could possibly save this world ignoring the milliards who refuse to be saved ,
because the information they present does not quite link with our currently used technical or biological status ( with some exceptions ..),

and then we have political lobby for information and those who believe that governments should disclose the secrets and proclaim the truth ( wish they knew what are we talking about ) ,

so what I'd like to say is ...that not that there is no news , and no more revealing facts about intelligent ET life ,
but there's very little people to trust , very few daring to investigate ,

how comes that such a complicate subject appears to be in posession in alternative media and folk legends and judgements ?

How comes that there's no authority to back up anyones claims here ?

In my understanding, some are trying to correct the course . How long it may take I do not know.
I'm naturally very skeptical and if I had no personal encounter with ETI guess I'd better avoid the subject not to cause harms to those who did .

And now I'm 'on the other side' for many years , with serious facts to be revealed but intimidated and weakened to such a point that the whole mission my life was possibly set up could be terminated any time .

The option of releasing information and getting to similar disgraceful debates on internet over who am I, as Bill and Kerry do, as Barry ( The Watcher ) did for many years , as happened to Kinsuenmei recently and just everyone else of the ladies and gentlemen quoted above ,
this option does not heal any trouble in my eyes .

There should be much more courtesey and empathy and scientific enthusiasm extended to those who had the rare oportunity of something so unusual as ET encounters and their knowledge should be unprecedentally utilized for future of mankind ,
and there should be no denial but a discernment,

and this extends to those with traumatizing experiences . The subject is too vast to be summarized in two words such as 'benevolent-malevolent'.
From scientific and also spiritual point of view.. all life, all living creatures , are precious and exhibit certain intelligence levels allowing them to communicate and relate to other species their specific way .
Because certain kinds of snakes or insects are poisonous , because wolves and tigers are predators capable of killing humans, is it our intention, and understanding to wipe them out the surface of earth ?
I dare to say not.

Are we under attack from space visitors ? I've not observed that would be the case .

But there's much going on in space beyond the capability of casual human understanding , and we've been contacted numberless times ,
but due to the inconsistency of our species and mistrust in our midst,
whatever has been passed to us remains idle
or does not get to the right hubs of knowledge
so all the effort seems to be almost vain..

Feel free to correct me

A

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Against my wishes and my better judgement, my minders, aka handlers, twisted my arm to return here. BUT I will be spitting bullets if the crap posting persists. Disagree with Dr Greer all you like but keep it from here until at least I have completed my original data posting. I will be watching even more closely from now on, be warned.

[K626]

Glad you're back mate.

Blessings and Vibrations.

K

[Swanny]

Wilcock, well let's just leave that one for now.

Hehe thanks for that :laugh:
Poor old Wilcox doesn't have a lot of creditability here does he :p

[Samarkis]

Dear Watcher....

I am truly sorry to hear all the issues at this thread and therefore have moved it to yr forum section where you can moderate the postings....pls ask us mods if you need to know how to edit or remove posts.....we would like a more level playing field in helping with disclosure and I personally am grateful for all that Dr. Steven Greer has done & with help from all the witnesses....It s past time for Humanity to grow up........

In Light!

[yiolas]

It's all Sams fault ! I've seen him do it to thread after thread ! It's as if he owns the forum.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

I'm back and watching closely

[yiolas]

Thanks Watcher ! I know that I don't only speak for myself. We look forward to your communication.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Thankyou. Its not my choice but whilst I am here perhaps some disclosure can be presented

[perfectresonance]

Against my wishes and my better judgement, my minders, aka handlers, twisted my arm to return here. BUT I will be spitting bullets if the crap posting persists. Disagree with Dr Greer all you like but keep it from here until at least I have completed my original data posting. I will be watching even more closely from now on, be warned.

I'm breaking one of my own rules here. I strongly believe we should discuss the message and not the messenger. But you are somewhat of an exception to the rule due to how you are presenting yourself here.

You do no have the benefif of me knowing anything you may have contributed in the past - in my mind you have no standing.

Why not post the information your are told to post and leave? Why all the tantrums? Why the claim you have returned here under duress from people you must obey?

For now you just throw up lots of red flags for me. Get on with it or stop.

Please.

[3(C)+me]

Dear Mr Watcher, I am glad your back as i was a regular reader of your posts and the other guy forgot his name at the moment he was someone you knew in St Ives? Anyway, you have given me much to ponder and i am very curious about what is going on with the Blk ops people. I at times feel very disheartened at the posts of some people who just want to argue and be oppositional. But I can learn many things from what people such as yourself have been through. I do not have any experience in this area in this lifetime but I think I need to know what going on on many levels.
C

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Hi there, you mean James Casbolt. I will do my best to post what I know and what I believe, I can offer no more than that. I was advised by a close friend to be perhaps more tolerant, diplomatic and softer here regarding others here. That I cannot promise but will try. If I get peeved then I spit bullets. Lets hope for calmer times.

[K626]

I'm breaking one of my own rules here. I strongly believe we should discuss the message and not the messenger. But you are somewhat of an exception to the rule due to how you are presenting yourself here.

You do no have the benefif of me knowing anything you may have contributed in the past - in my mind you have no standing.

Why not post the information your are told to post and leave? Why all the tantrums? Why the claim you have returned here under duress from people you must obey?

For now you just throw up lots of red flags for me. Get on with it or stop.

Please.

Perfectresonance.

First you have an almighty whack at Deagle and now I find you in here having a little dig at the watcher.

WHO ARE YOU??!

WHO DO YOU WORK FOR??

(c) JT

Please leave this thread alone so the watcher can continue in his own style and pace.

love

K

[SPIRIT WOLF]

I'm breaking one of my own rules here. I strongly believe we should discuss the message and not the messenger. But you are somewhat of an exception to the rule due to how you are presenting yourself here.

You do no have the benefif of me knowing anything you may have contributed in the past - in my mind you have no standing.

Why not post the information your are told to post and leave? Why all the tantrums? Why the claim you have returned here under duress from people you must obey?

For now you just throw up lots of red flags for me. Get on with it or stop.

Please.
LOL I could tell you where to go pal but I'm trying to be friendly. Nothing new to you? OK mr or mrs know-it-all so where do you enlightened one come into the disclosure topic? Joe public telling me I have no standing when most of Joe public knows bugger all anyways. Take a long look at the mirror sunshine. Please

[SPIRIT WOLF]

So many with their heads up their arses, should bring in a tax on that

[perfectresonance]

LOL I could tell you where to go pal but I'm trying to be friendly. Nothing new to you? OK mr or mrs know-it-all so where do you enlightened one come into the disclosure topic? Joe public telling me I have no standing when most of Joe public knows bugger all anyways. Take a long look at the mirror sunshine. Please

Just for the sake of accuracy, I stated you have no standing with me. You start with a blank piece of paper. Don't have a clue who you are in the real world. So my impression is based solely on this thread.

Although not relevant, I readily agree that I have no standing here either.

You are the one who started the thread and left in a huff and now you're back. So that piqued my interest.

Based totally on your thread here, I simply can't understand why you aren't posting what you are told to post.

And you made it very clear you don't want to be here but you are back under duress.

So my question hasn't changed, and you haven't answered it. Why not just post the material. It solves all your problems.

1. You obey your superiors
2. You can leave

--- afterthought ---

You might want to start a new thread for that material.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Well as you state so correctly YOU have no standing as you simply are a civilian, joe public type with probably no experience within any of the fields disclosed here. I on the other hand do not give two hoots whether I have any standing with you, of little or no consequence to me. Within the research community and the disclosure movement I do have standing so thats why I get irked at remarks made by nobody's on forums like this. I, under free will place data within the community but have advice from those whom assist and protect me. Only those whom know nothing about me would comment in such an ignorant fashion. Without sounding arrogant or patronising, just as Dr Greer says, "I know, you do not, I teach, you learn".....simple as that. Hope that has made things clearer for you. I did not leave in a huff I got fed up with ****heads talking nonsense and posting lies, that pisses me off. No I was not going to return but my minders stated disclosure was to continue and still eyes to open, ignoring the idiots whom are here for no reason but to cause annoyance and hijack threads. Just as you are doing. So I suggest you sit down and shut up and allow those whom know more than you to post in their own time without your unwanted interference.

[Kari Lynn]

Amazing! This is the first day I actually saw this thread and it has speedily increased beyond the first. Proof that everyone likes confrontation and conflict?

TheWatcher, please take a breath and relax. I know it hurts. to see people like this. But remember there's just as many of us who care about you, want to hear what you have to say, than those who would berate and belittle. (infact both times I've seen it happen it's only been one or two)
Remember the saying, Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

The data will be posted in my good time, not yours or anyone elses's. I have been part of Camelot/Avalon since September of 2008 so I think I have earned the right to post as and when I wish.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Oh I'm relaxed, just bemused at those whom for some reason like to get in the crosshairs

[perfectresonance]

Can I please point out that I have been polite and factual in my communications with you?

You have not shown the same courtesy to others here. I don't understand your aggression.

You even state that you are better class of human being. That is interesting to me. Does knowing something I do not know make you better than me? Does having a position in a government job make you better than someone who does not? How does that work out when I know something you don't know?

I do not hijack your thread. You walked away from it stating you had requested your account to be deleted. Then you're back stating you are here under duress from someone you need to obey to impart information, and then do not impart the information.

If anything, I am focusing you on your own stated objective. So let's have the information? Do you have it? Or are you still waiting for it?

No thread hijack here, see?

[SPIRIT WOLF]

In 5/6 years of disclosing on forums I have in 99% of the time been polite and calm. But that 1% crops up and yes I get very very annoyed. Ask anyone whom knows me well and get their views on me, my postings, my demeanor. Many know me well, my history goes back to mid 1960's. I did not say I were a better person than you I merely stated I know a damn sight more than you so rightly or wrongly those of us whom know more than the average Joe might appear arrogant, but with experience and knowledge comes a slight arrogance when trying to educate the public. My objective for many years has been disclosure, I have been assisted in that by my minders. I do not flatly obey but agreed to give this place another chance as disclosure is more important. You obviously are new and have no idea of the data I have posted on the original forum. I said much and still do but its in my time not yours. Those whom know me will know of my health problems, not going to state here as none of your business, but that dictates my being able to get to this computer and post. Why the hell I'm even bothering is beyond me. So, clearing that up I will continue when I'm good and ready. No need for a new thread as I should simply delete all the unnecessary posts here and start with a blank page. I asked politely several times to not post before data was placed here but did anyone take any notice? NO.

[perfectresonance]

Ok, dude. Your sandbox. Perhaps time to walk away from it for a while until you feel better. Best wishes.

[Ara]

perfectresonance, have you examined all the data Barry has released via his DVDs (all freely supplied by Barry) and all the data he has released on the forums? There is a great deal of information there, yes the majority of it is "older" information but as Barry has stated he's sharing what he knows, what he's experienced much of which was some time ago. However it is all relevant information.

As for the release of recent/up to date data, that is where patience comes in. :)

My understanding is there are a great deal of inter-agency politics involved, agreements, disagreements and protocols which are constantly changing the disclosure landscape.

The' up to date information' which the public is wanting Barry to share, comes via one of those agencies, in this instance, the lads whom watch Barry's back while he (Barry) discloses that data to us. This fact has been shared multiple times. Plus there are agencies who don't want certain information revealed, I know shocking isn't it? Who would have thought. ;) I imagine these lads have to watch where they step too, lots of inter-agency sh** on the disclosure path.

Just from following what has happened previously (in front & behind the scenes) I can understand why sometimes there is a need to pull back and wait. Reasons could relate to being in someone's crosshairs, to inter-agency politics to cross-treaty protocols, health issues and family issues. And to being just plain pi**ed off. Sometimes a cool-off period is a wonderful idea. :)

Barry, please continue at your leisure and pace. The Floor is yours.


edit to add:


Ok, dude. Your sandbox. Perhaps time to walk away from it for a while until you feel better. Best wishes.

perfectresonance, we were both posting at the same time so I never read your recent post before composing my own. Like you and many others, I am waiting for updated information. :)

( I can hear Barry now saying "All in good time my dear" LOL)

[olgraybear]

Ok y'all,,,,


What happened to none of this , shall we say, "stuff", was to be carried on in this forum. ?
Barry,,, Here's my opinion, for what it's worth,
Remove the sarcastic posts, and then carry through with the block to those that upset the boat that
fills it with mirk that just drags down the forum.
Obviously those participant(s) are too closed minded to understand.
As for being referenced "dude" ,,, I personally consider that offensive, perhaps he should look up
what dude "is" in the dictionary and then return with a much needed apology, THEN go in the military
service their self to understand duty, honor and respect.
That's just my opinion.
Got your back Barry.
I'm still around.
Maybe they're suffering from "little" man sydrome if you know what I mean.

[perfectresonance]

I'm stunned by that post. This is an international forum, and people from different countries have different ways of expressing themselves. But never mind, I hope you feel better now. Can we all just be quiet and leave Barry to do what he does? I'm sure he didn't need this distraction either. Geez.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Let us just settle down guys and resume our mutual goal, uncovering the truth and exposing the controllers. Peace, calm and serenity prevail.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

This is bound to get some response LOL

http://www.disclosureproject.org/email-update-april-27-2010-response-to-hawking.shtml

[Ixopoborn]

Dear Watcher - I noticed this post by Steven Greer last week and I share his view overall. I have always viewed Hawkins with respect and still do but am puzzled by his stance here.

We humans have been broadcasting our location in the universe loud and clear since the first Marconi transmissions more than a century ago so, if harmful aliens exist, any damage in attracting their attention has almost certainly already been done. The chances of harmful Aliens existing and wishing to do us harm but not being aware of our location stretches credulity somewhat. That said, even if the probability is slim, the consequences of a damaging interaction would be unacceptably large. So here, I guess is the nub of Hawkins’s point.

Greer claims all alien races are positive. I know enough about Greer to rate his opinion quite highly but, amongst the ufology community, this is a hotly contested point. I have read and listened to most Greer material but do not know of any material he has published to make clear why he is so certain on this point.

Can you help me here?

[Etherios]

Well i believe that we have been manipulated by "aliens" in the past, so any attempt to use anykind of system to find aliens will not make any difference ... aliens know we are here ... some of them made or fixed us already. So what hawkings says is wrong.

He is making a documentary about aliens and contacting... so this fuzz is the best for sells. I dont think there is anything more than that... i hope he isnt a tptb lacky, that would be sad.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Indeed so, thru history OPI intervention to 'boost' mankind. Pity he said what he did but thats the party line which changed from the earlier "no aliens" LOL

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Hi ixopoborn, I'll trawl around and see what I can come up with

[K626]

Well i believe that we have been manipulated by "aliens" in the past, so any attempt to use anykind of system to find aliens will not make any difference ... aliens know we are here ... some of them made or fixed us already. So what hawkings says is wrong.

He is making a documentary about aliens and contacting... so this fuzz is the best for sells. I dont think there is anything more than that... i hope he isnt a tptb lacky, that would be sad.

It's actually quite ridiculous what he said considering he's meant to be so bright. Hawking radiation indeed!!

[shiva777]

the reason why benevolent Et's have not interacted more directly here is because groups of negative ET's will battle with them in our earth realm if they do and that would create mass destruction here...this is what happened in past cycles where humanity was almost wiped off the planet and they are not prepared to risk that again..there is more and more evidence of alien wars coming in to the light of awareness now,geologically and cultural records .....there are constant battles in other dimensions between positive and negative ET groups witnessed by many people who have activated enough DNA to percieve that,,,those who do not have the ability to percieve that will argue that all ET's are always a benevolent influence for us..Greer is trapped in his own ignorance..as we all are to some degree

[shiva777]

ancient atomic warfare...do a little research

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_ancient_atomic.htm

[Spiralmind]

http://www.theorionproject.org/en/05_13_10_mailing.html

[Etherios]

i am really starting to think Dr.Greer is really doing all this JUST to stop the true disclosure to happen. I dont like it but he and the hole movement he is leading seems to me more and more like a big bang ilusion to make the rest of us think this is going somewhere... they cant find free energy techs lol ... ye right

[Etherios]

Here some links ... if they really wished for free energy they would had done something years ago... as i said they are too weird to me.... not to say the hole they are all good aliens dont mix with me well..

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QOyuZSzkWRU&feature

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both of the above is working free energy .... both make energy from magnets or water ... so :-P the working ideas are there

[Operator]

nU1AlYhj8bQ&feature

Indeed there are working solutions ... I have some doubts about cars running on water though:

1: I think they still need additional energy to process the water
2: Availability of water is a growing problem on earth
3. If the massively available seawater is used on a big scale I foresee 2 probable future problems:
a: most likely the emission of Cl (Chloride) which is poisonous
b: a huge shift from salt water to fresh water (which appears to be good but the effects are unstudied)

I don't want to dampen this great invention but I think this time we have think before we do (on a massive scale).

[jaybee]

I don't want to dampen this great invention but I think this time we have think before we do (on a massive scale).

Yes...Greer says that the APPLICATION of 'free-energy' on a massive scale is the sticking point. That many people are working on the general idea, but delivering a suitable system to the general population is where it gets difficult.

Can't remember exactly where I heard him say this, in so many words....but...that was the gist of it.

[Baelsfire]

I listened to his talk last night - LINK (http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2010/05may/RIR-100513.php).

A good portion of the interview is a grounding in his organisations and aims, if you're familiar with his work you will already know. He mentions how the Orion Project has several scientists who work on blackproject R&D of this technologies who are will to come forward providing its a form of public coalition, safety.

But also he talks about his standing on the Alien Abductions, and rather concisely on the recent assertions from Stephen Hawkins about the intentions of any alien intelligences. This is interesting especially if you watched Camelots' debate with Dr. Greer...!

[jaybee]

I listened to his talk last night - LINK (http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2010/05may/RIR-100513.php).

A good portion of the interview is a grounding in his organisations and aims, if you're familiar with his work you will already know. He mentions how the Orion Project has several scientists who work on blackproject R&D of this technologies who are will to come forward providing its a form of public coalition, safety.

But also he talks about his standing on the Alien Abductions, and rather concisely on the recent assertions from Stephen Hawkins about the intentions of any alien intelligences. This is interesting especially if you watched Camelots' debate with Dr. Greer...!

Thanks for link...listened to it last night.

[Manifestor]

why is The Orion Project not working with prof john searl? somehow i have the feeling that TOP is not really trying to make free energy for everyone available.
has greer ever mentioned why the greys are trying to create a hybrid race?

[Etherios]

why is The Orion Project not working with prof john searl? somehow i have the feeling that TOP is not really trying to make free energy for everyone available.
has greer ever mentioned why the greys are trying to create a hybrid race?

He says all abductions are from the military not the aliens....

[tone3jaguar]

why is The Orion Project not working with prof john searl? somehow i have the feeling that TOP is not really trying to make free energy for everyone available.
has greer ever mentioned why the greys are trying to create a hybrid race?

Probably because Searl talks big, but has yet to deliver a working prototype of something he claims to have successfully prototyped when he was 14 years old. He could build one when he was 14, but can't to it now with todays materials and tech? Not buying it.

[Manifestor]

He says all abductions are from the military not the aliens....

did he mentioned why the military is impregnating women when they abduct them?

[Manifestor]

Probably because Searl talks big, but has yet to deliver a working prototype of something he claims to have successfully prototyped when he was 14 years old. He could build one when he was 14, but can't to it now with todays materials and tech? Not buying it.

are you sure that he was 14? searl says that he could build an overunity device but he is scared that somebody will take it away from him again. like greer he thinks that massproduction is the only solution. unfortunately he has no money for massproduction. greer has the money but not the knowhow.

[Etherios]

did he mentioned why the military is impregnating women when they abduct them?

From what i have heared him in talks/videos so far is to create Hybrid robots (he says Greys are robots... not metalic biorobots) Also most are to bring fear and to go to a staged alien invasion the next years in order to create World Government. But for more details maybe you need to read his texts/books.

[jaybee]

http://www.theorionproject.org/en/05_13_10_mailing.html

The main theme of the latest news from the Orion Project is to make public the dirty-tricks and shenanigans that the Project has to contend with...

but they say...


Our goal is not to get into endless fights with these corrupt individuals; we just want to give humanity a chance to move forward with earth-saving, life-saving technologies.

[Manifestor]

From what i have heared him in talks/videos so far is to create Hybrid robots (he says Greys are robots... not metalic biorobots) Also most are to bring fear and to go to a staged alien invasion the next years in order to create World Government. But for more details maybe you need to read his texts/books.

i know what greer says about plf`s etc... but i never heard him talking about the plf`s creating a hybrid-race.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

The PLFs themselves cannot produce a hybrid, as they are programmed beings, genetically manufactured. As I worked with these beings during my time at Peasemore in the UK, between 1979 and 1981 I know they were for staged abductions as their primary remit. The actual abduction scenarios were varied and complex. As the first in the World to disclose the existance of PLFs I have a vested interest in the ramping up of disclosure by Dr Greer re these beings. He mentions here and there about Martin Cannon and his book but there is no mention of PLFs in that book to my knowledge. Dr Greer mentions he has a dozen or so witnesses on his team whom work/have worked within this field. I obviously include myself in that number, 1994 I began disclosing data which included detailing PLFs, and in 2000 when I became one of his witnesses, my testimony was based on my work at the secure UK facility manufacturing the beings. Dr Greer speaks on Red Ice Radio about physicists whom worked on these manufacturing programs, its getting quite interesting but at the same time worrying. I can see a time when by accident, details of these drone greys will become more media widespread and Dr Greer with his physicists will become the focus of media disclosure, forgetting the person whom braved harassment, assault and near death by first bringing this to the attention of the World. I only hope my past 16 years have not been in vain.

[Tuza]

The PLFs themselves cannot produce a hybrid, as they are programmed beings, genetically manufactured. As I worked with these beings during my time at Peasemore in the UK, between 1979 and 1981 I know they were for staged abductions as their primary remit. The actual abduction scenarios were varied and complex. As the first in the World to disclose the existance of PLFs I have a vested interest in the ramping up of disclosure by Dr Greer re these beings. He mentions here and there about Martin Cannon and his book but there is no mention of PLFs in that book to my knowledge. Dr Greer mentions he has a dozen or so witnesses on his team whom work/have worked within this field. I obviously include myself in that number, 1994 I began disclosing data which included detailing PLFs, and in 2000 when I became one of his witnesses, my testimony was based on my work at the secure UK facility manufacturing the beings. Dr Greer speaks on Red Ice Radio about physicists whom worked on these manufacturing programs, its getting quite interesting but at the same time worrying. I can see a time when by accident, details of these drone greys will become more media widespread and Dr Greer with his physicists will become the focus of media disclosure, forgetting the person whom braved harassment, assault and near death by first bringing this to the attention of the World. I only hope my past 16 years have not been in vain.

I hope so do Barry; and if your not then it more than confirms a lot of suspicions that people have about Greer.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

For now I will continue to back and support Dr Greer, the future will tell if I need change that

[Tuza]

Not that I can personally say much about Greer for the mere fact that I personally am a Collier fan and tend to listen and watch anything he does rather than Greer; but that's just mho.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Its fine, I just tend to be very loyal, until someone stabs me in the back then it all changes

[Manifestor]

The PLFs themselves cannot produce a hybrid, as they are programmed beings....

So the military programs the plf`s to abduct people, impregnate women and then take the children...??? What does the military want from the children? whats the purpose? I`m still not sure if it is really the military who is creating a hybrid race or if this is done by real aliens.

[Manifestor]

I can see a time when by accident, details of these drone greys will become more media widespread and Dr Greer with his physicists will become the focus of media disclosure, forgetting the person whom braved harassment, assault and near death by first bringing this to the attention of the World. I only hope my past 16 years have not been in vain.

the drone greys will NEVER be mentioned in OUR media...disclosure can not work like that. FULL disclosure (plf`s,genetic manipulation,mind controll) is not possible and not an option. this information can only surface after the collapse of the western world.
Mr. King, I really hope that you don`t think that you went through all this suffering for nothing. You gave me hope that not all people involved in this projects are "evil" or cowards. You gave a lot of people in the ufo-community hope. Even if you don`t feel like it...you are a hero.

[tone3jaguar]

are you sure that he was 14? searl says that he could build an overunity device but he is scared that somebody will take it away from him again. like greer he thinks that massproduction is the only solution. unfortunately he has no money for massproduction. greer has the money but not the knowhow.

Came out of his own mouth when Mel Interviewed him on the Veritas Show.

[Etherios]

I am a bit pissed atm ... i didnt had anything to do atm so i searched abit about greer... nothing. All i found was words and empty proposals i am almost sure he is part of the disinformation the PTB are pushing on our throats... Especially the last video about the guy that was researching new technologies and left them in the middle of his work is just stupid. The more i hear the story the more pissed i become. They dont have to invent anything ... they just have to publish the damn technologies and then they wont be able to hide them. bah i have to relax ....

Here is a video that i had seen a while ago but founded again... it says the inventor died... no comments...

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What i see there isnt prototypes its finished working machines... they dont ahve to sell teh damn tech just make it public in a press conference then the PTB wont be able to hide it ... arg so many years lost so many ppl died and for what .... sad.

[frozenmagma]

I believe what He said about time the free energy would be published has been delayed...something must be going on out there! But their guts are really bold and strong! Keep observing...

[onawah]

Link for Part 1 of 6 at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnWFniFGyg8&feature=related

[theguardian]

thx for sharing , very interesting

[Elandiel BernElve]

Hey guys,

I found this vid interview with Steven Greer from the disclosure project. Dont know if it has been posted already.

@Mods: If so please remove thread :)

Steven Greer has especially since the Project Camelot interview always been a subject of debate.
So new information is always welcome I guess

Personnaly I think he seems tired and a bit more mature, but still he states theres no proof of alien hostile acts against us...
so they must be good.... ..sigh.. naieve


http://vimeo.com/13212793

source:
http://niburu.nl/index.php?articleID=23605

[Operator]

Maybe it's nice to have a link to the full documentary as well:


http://www.vimeo.com/13150886

I think the documentary started very good ... something to show people new to the subject. Perhaps the last part is
less suitable because it makes a sudden jump into abductions .... I think people will have a hard time adapting to the
new paradigm and may lose interest/credibility for the film because of this big jump.

[Celine]

In my experience...

nothing is either "all good" or "all bad"

[Decibellistics]

Agreed. Just the concept of a virus leads one to think that there is always going to be some form of life feeding on another or utilizing some property from it.

[Scott]

The Discloser Project had in my opinion a huge impact on the UFO subject across the spectrum, but it is my impression that Greer himself has been "compromised"

[grace]

i do not get a good vibe from him, for what it's worth

[PathWalker]

I believe Greer is still in full self control but that he plays a role. I wonder what is Bill thinks of this.
I was very attentive to the debate he had with Kerry. My impression was that he brings an agenda. He knows more then he tells, and he said he has a responsibility. He did not elaborate on that. So be careful with judgment, understand that there are hidden agendas and power behind the scenes and the front characters do not deliver what they want. My personal feeling is that Greer is sincere and have best intention to humanity. He still have to maintain his cards and credibility with TPTB.

I like Ben Fulford idea of pardon to TPTB for delivering the disclosure. The catch is no one has the authority to pardon when disclosure happens, TPTB will lose their power. No one knows what will happen and how the power will be distributed. Therefore it is a risk TPTB will not take willingly.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

As a Disclosure Project Witness for Dr Greer, I'm reading with interest the views and opinions posted, carry on please, Just observing

[3(C)+me]

He has some good points but he loses me when he says that their are no bad ets and abductions. That is where I get concerned. Look, this is a planet of duality. No doubt their are negatives out there. Forget about the bluebloods that is a whole nother thing. Maybe he is working with the Good ets and they have good intentions. Maybe he is attempting to decrease our collective fears about being taken over. But is he saying that their are no et's that are attempting to continue to control us. That is a myth? Just look at the history of this planet.? So If I have doubts about that issue how can I believe some of the other stuff.
Disclosure from government. Not going to happen. Too many questions will be asked about all the Lies the government has been telling us for the last 60 years. Oh, people are going to be really really pissed off.

[grace]

He has some good points but he loses me when he says that their are no bad ets and abductions. That is where I get concerned. Look, this is a planet of duality.

exactly. this is a universe of duality. there is always a darker yang side, even a bit inside the yin.

[Elandiel BernElve]

Whatever he says about good or bad aliens, the man and his project have brought the et and free energy subject on a much larger scale and for a much larger public then ever before.
We should be thankful for that. The Disclosure Project is a slow advancing project because they want to do evertything legally and by the law which isnt easy on this subject.
Its good its there, it gives the subject publicity and who knows what might come from it. As for Greer the only weak point is his statement that all et are good and here for the best of us.

[Etherios]

Whatever he says about good or bad aliens, the man and his project have brought the et and free energy subject on a much larger scale and for a much larger public then ever before.
We should be thankful for that. The Disclosure Project is a slow advancing project because they want to do evertything legally and by the law which isnt easy on this subject.
Its good its there, it gives the subject publicity and who knows what might come from it. As for Greer the only weak point is his statement that all et are good and here for the best of us.

i really hope you are right :-)

[Luke]

Whatever he says about good or bad aliens, the man and his project have brought the et and free energy subject on a much larger scale and for a much larger public then ever before.
We should be thankful for that. The Disclosure Project is a slow advancing project because they want to do evertything legally and by the law which isnt easy on this subject.
Its good its there, it gives the subject publicity and who knows what might come from it. As for Greer the only weak point is his statement that all et are good and here for the best of us.
Maybe not so weak, it's a matter if we view "out there" as a hostile place or not.
THE most important point he makes is one, that our technological capabilities surpassed our spiritual (moral) ones. You do not hand a rabid chimpanzee a nuclear launch device.
My personal opinion is that disclosure of sorts is happening - just look how much progress was made, a hundred years ago most people believed in "divine right to rule".
But for such technology to have place in our world, much more progress in understanding how actually world works is need to be made.
Whatever need to be told about "bad guys", even with limited access to those technologies, they did not brought world to their feet. They actually need to resort to quite terrestrial means to do that. (and, sadly, they succeed in many places, but again not because of ET's but by our own inability to see things for what they are).
It's not that there are not entities that we can perceive as "bad guys", its that their impact is greatly overrated. It's like for every drop of fear, there is ten of opportunity fun and adventure; and fear roots are always in restrictions, that one allow to block the view of the world. What is "great enemy" from here is just ant queen managing anthill from another view.

EDIT: only thing I would pick on, is Dr Greer's faith in governments, of any kind. Power structure is a power structure.

[Etherios]

Maybe not so weak, it's a matter if we view "out there" as a hostile place or not.
THE most important point he makes is one, that our technological capabilities surpassed our spiritual (moral) ones. You do not hand a rabid chimpanzee a nuclear launch device.
My personal opinion is that disclosure of sorts is happening - just look how much progress was made, a hundred years ago most people believed in "divine right to rule".
But for such technology to have place in our world, much more progress in understanding how actually world works is need to be made.
Whatever need to be told about "bad guys", even with limited access to those technologies, they did not brought world to their feet. They actually need to resort to quite terrestrial means to do that. (and, sadly, they succeed in many places, but again not because of ET's but by our own inability to see things for what they are).
It's not that there are not entities that we can perceive as "bad guys", its that their impact is greatly overrated. It's like for every drop of fear, there is ten of opportunity fun and adventure; and fear roots are always in restrictions, that one allow to block the view of the world. What is "great enemy" from here is just ant queen managing anthill from another view.

EDIT: only thing I would pick on, is Dr Greer's faith in governments, of any kind. Power structure is a power structure.

You have humans that have been in unwanted contact/relation with ETs for thousands of years... you have religions that are based on these beings you have systems that appeared in those societies where the gods appeared and trained the ppl .... and you still say we are not rdy to accept them so thats why we are at this state? NO

I dont care if its for the good of the humankind or the good of this planet or what ever. There are ETs that have guided the human race to where it is today for thousands or even more years and we are not rdy?

The chimpanzee will not use the nuclear device to exterminate it self but there are some humans that will do just that... so NO our technology has surpassed our spiritiality ... BUT this is happening because we are being controled and guided in a path that has no room for spirit in it.

We dont need progress to have free energy. We could had let tesla give free energy to the world and avoid 2 global wars and by now solve hunger and poverty. I think that if the ETs/PTB/who ever is contriling the planet... let us evolve the way we were supposed to have then we would had been living in the stars among these "good ETs" for centuries...

To sumarize this. These so called good ETs that havent done anything to hurt the humankind ... have done NOTHING (that we know of) to stop those that have been acting as gods for eons..(can i call them "Bad ETs" or this is demolishing Dr.Greer arguments) and have led humankind to this situation. The PTB have technology that FAR surpasses anything we are told humans have ... did they find it them selves? Did they had help? I DONT CARE. ATM this planet is going to hell because we have a few thousand humanlike beings that play gods and control 7bill+ humans and guide them to extinction. If they have ET help or not is irrelevant cause we KNOW we have being manipulated from ages ago from ETs... YES there are ETs that care nothing for humans and that for me is bad.

Btw if you think just because our tech is like unts to some of these ETs we deserve to be treated like ants in a hill... then i feel for you.

[beyondmyctrl]

Just a thought , but if we stop (just for a minute) thinking that we (the human race)are so friggin unique and wonderful and we think about the fact that we are aliens ourselves to other races from other planets then just there , that's the proof that there ARE hostiles aliens , US . The whole universe doesn't revolve around us people, it's not us , and all the aliens . It's us and a whole bunch of other "people" and we are as alien to them as they are to us. And I'm sure that if we had the capability to go to other planets (or maybe we do ) and we came upon a race that wasn't as advanced as us . I'm pretty sure we wouldn't hold their hands and help bring them to our level of technology. We'd probably destroy them , like we've done countless times in history .Yes there is proof that there are evil aliens . Just look at us . :) ...just a thought .

the flip side of that of course is that maybe by the time we get to the level of technology that would allow us to travel to other planets we would have smarten up and no longer be the destroyers that we are today and live peacefully and be "enlightened" and that the "aliens " who've made it here to earth are themselves peaceful and "enlightened" ..... meh ... who knows ? I'm just thinking "out loud " :) have a great day everyone I'm headin out to play in the sunshine !

[Luke]

The chimpanzee will not use the nuclear device to exterminate it self but there are some humans that will do just that... so NO our technology has surpassed our spiritiality ... BUT this is happening because we are being controled and guided in a path that has no room for spirit in it.
How chimpanze would know that this big red, glowing thing would do something bad?


We dont need progress to have free energy. We could had let tesla give free energy to the world and avoid 2 global wars and by now solve hunger and poverty. I think that if the ETs/PTB/who ever is contriling the planet... let us evolve the way we were supposed to have then we would had been living in the stars among these "good ETs" for centuries...
So to sum it up: You want a free lunch. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TANSTAAFL)
Precisely the mindset that got us in trouble in first place, if you ask me :)

[Etherios]

How chimpanze would know that this big red, glowing thing would do something bad?


So to sum it up: You want a free lunch. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TANSTAAFL)
Precisely the mindset that got us in trouble in first place, if you ask me :)

i dont know how will the chimp would know if its bad or not... you made the analogy.

So you really think asking for free energy is a free lunch? You really like to pay to live in the planet you were born? you really like to be a slave ? then YES i want the damn free lunch.

BTW this isnt the mind set that got us to this mess... i am not asking for ETs to give us anything. All i said is that the PTB has to let us evolve... if you think that is bad then there is no point in argueing any more...

Let us evolve isnt free at all .... then again you should be one of the ppl that think money evolves ppl ... your master is that way ---> Bank...

P.S. not all black projects are ET given tech ...

[Etherios]

i want to apologies saico... i got issues of my own :-(

It really hurts me that ppl still think that humans are evil and that all the bad we have in our societies is because we are evil. I am sorry that i get soo exited over things.

i am a normal person that grew up in greece and i truelly believe that the potential of the human race to do good is far above its potential to destroy. Then again thats just me.

[Luke]

i dont know how will the chimp would know if its bad or not... you made the analogy.
Ok, let's use more open language: If you do not understand technology you cannot make informed decision. It's like voting for a politician basing on can he or cannot he choose appropriate neck-tie (which, coincidentally, is how people vote these days).
Knowledge comes from understanding world around, not from needs, urges and hype. Now imagine you got handed a device, that gives what you perceive as free energy. You use it a lot, then you accidentally discover that your device sucked out from some small sun that got a small planet which was inhabited by couple of billion small alien life forms. They're dead. Oopsy daisy, you did not know what the energy come from, manual said it's free!
Accidentally, that is more or less what German citizens said after truth about concentration camp was made public.


So you really think asking for free energy is a free lunch? You really like to pay to live in the planet you were born? you really like to be a slave ? then YES i want the damn free lunch.

There are four ways you can obtain thing:
1.You can invest your time to build appropriate knowledge, and obtain needed materials, which you then use to build the thing you need
2. You can trade for the thing in the open market (using coin of the realm, but also by exchanging other knowledge, services, things etc. Fair trade)
3. You can steal it (by stealth or using force, looting)
4. You can try to overwhelm somebody with emotions of your poor stature, disfigurement or w/e to same effect (mooching)
One way or another, it's not free, but it can have a very low cost. And karma debt in some cases.

All i said is that the PTB has to let us evolve...
PTB's cannot stop you evolution, but sure they can distract you and send you onto false paths. But to see that you need to de-hook from purely materialistic thinking.
I hope that in you're further journeys you'd understand those things :)

[Etherios]

erm i guess we dont talk about the same things...

1st who said we were given any technology ??? So the thing about the chimp is irrelevant, i am talking about human made energy devices that we have made 100 years now maybe more... i am not talking about anyone giving us anything... You believe that humans are unable to achieve anything ? you really think we are that far behind in evolution?

So the free lunch i am opposed is number 1... we have already "spend" what you say to gain that energy. Then again i hope you dont believe that anything the humans have achieve is because of ETs.

2nd I am 100% sure that the PTB are responsible for the way this planet is going. They have enforced and educated this planet to believe that this is how life should be and anything else is an utopia. Dont you think this is not good for evolution? What you fail to understand is that atm the PTB dont just send you to false paths they have managed to control this planet for ages. Me and you are within the 1% maybe less in this planet that has the time and the education to think what if. There are millions of ppl living in this planet that die before they even get to start think about anything. Billions in this planet live and die without even knowing that they are slaves and that this isnt how live is supposed to be. etc etc etc

If you still think that we are not stopped from evolving then i guess there is no point in talking about this anymore. I wish you the best.

[1984]

Thank you for this link, I actually haven't seen this video at all. I'll contribute later after watching it, but I am keen to watch the thread at this point as it develops.

[sygh]

Forgive me for editing. I'm not as eloquent or as well spoken, I find I have to mull over what I want to say, in order to get the essence of what I mean across. This is the last time I will do so. I hope we can talk about this.

I just wanted to put my own mind into perspective as to why we are all here and fully understand what Bill and Kerry have been trying to do. It's about the truth, it's about disclosure. It's about disinformation verses reality. It's real concern for the earth, the species who live upon it ~and off it. After the great interview Bill did with Paul Hellyer, all of the cumulative work and effort of Kerry and Bill, and all those who have come forward at great risk to their lives... so many people, to include our own undeniable work and experiences, why is it that I am here? Bill's interview allowed us to listen to Paul Hellyer; in it, he stated we have about 10 years to change the world. To disregard the disinformation and focus on reality by working together and supporting each other.
I think I am here to help push this work over the brink so that it becomes common knowledge. In the video below, Dr. Greer states the sign that we're ready equates to the work we are doing. We cannot change the world unless we come together and partisipate. Once given this information, information that confirms our own research or search, do we, or don't we have an obligation to live more and more by what we believe? I don't want to be afraid of any of this or confused. I don't feel that way any more, ya know? However, I do understand, through my own experience, there are those who are not necessarily friendly and that even me, in this state of consciousness, am capable of doing harm, if I forget that thought is instant in this state. I was shocked when I found that out. It told me something about myself. It told me that, even though I swore to do nothing but good, to be nothing but good, that thought was within me. I stopped it, and really recognized it... there it was. I almost swooped down and made a psychic hit on someone I felt was very negative in nature.

For instance, has anyone partisipated in group meditation in the same room with the kundalini force running through it?

If so, would you or any of the others be willing to talk about it?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8964281348675417592#docid=7158929399739557807

[Rimbaud]

Sygh,

Firstly I find no problem with your written word and actually find you to be extremely eloquent both in thought and Spirit..you 'pen' a lovely letter that I'd have been happy to write myself. I really hope that you can push us all "over the brink"..yes you're correct in saying that we all...ALL of us, have a massive obligation not only to Mother Earth, but also to our fellow man. It's a difficult path to follow, simply because most of the World has yet to evolve..and I don't even mean Spiritually.

I absolutely believe in Avelon..and with certain reserve Camelot and have always felt that way..but if there's one thing that I'm absolutely convinced of...and that is that we have NOTHING to fear..we will never have to fear anything even if we die in the process. Bill struck a chord with me when he so much as said that we were here for the ride...to improve ourselves and our Planet..our beautiful Planet Earth and improve our Spirit..That's why I'm here...I'm not a meditator...so maybe you can help me here...I sat in my Pyreneean garden today and found myself at peace for once in my life..I loved the sensation ..but it was fleeting.

God bless Sygh

Rimbaud

[pilotsimone]

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[kriya]

Thanks sygh for posting this talk, very interesting.

Love,

Kriya

[onawah]

Thanks for the link to Dr. Greer's talk. I still find his work to be very interesting. However, in this talk, he mentions briefly that we have been deceived into thinking (among other things) that there were ETs here in our past who enslaved Earthlings to mine gold for them.

Now, there is a huge amount of information, from Zecheria Sitchin's to Michael Telliniger's work, to the information that has been passed down for generations to people like Credo Mutwa, which makes Greer's assertions very hard to credit. I wish he would go into more detail because I would like to hear any different interpretations of the evidence, but I get the feeling he doesn't really have any.

I could even swallow his assertions that people who think they have been abducted by ETs are wrong about the nature of their experiences, that they are actually having astral experiences, or that they misinterpreted their experiences and that the ETs didn't actually hurt them, or even that they were actually abducted by synthetic beings manufactured by our own Secret Government as part of a false flag operation and so on.

But Sitchin's conclusions about the Annunaki and all the other researchers who have added to the store of theories about their role in our history (which was clearly not all benevolently motivated), are just too convincing. I wonder just how much time Greer has really spent on investigating the research others have done, before so easily dismissing it.

While I do feel in agreement with him that there are positively oriented ETs here now who are trying to help as Greer asserts, I just can't buy Greer's views about Earth history, no matter how self-assured he is about being correct.

I don't mean to resurrect debates about Greer's work here, as we have been there, done that on this forum, but this issue has always really puzzled me. It's so odd that someone like Greer, who has had such influence on the ET/UFO/Disclosure scene is so at odds in so many regards to so many others in the field.

[Rimbaud]

Thanks for the link to Dr. Greer's talk. I still find his work to be very interesting. However, in this talk, he mentions briefly that we have been deceived into thinking (among other things) that there were ETs here in our past who enslaved Earthlings to mine gold for them.

Now, there is a huge amount of information, from Zecheria Sitchin's to Michael Telliniger's work, to the information that has been passed down for generations to people like Credo Mutwa, which makes Greer's assertions very hard to credit. I wish he would go into more detail because I would like to hear any different interpretations of the evidence, but I get the feeling he doesn't really have any.

I could even swallow his assertions that people who think they have been abducted by ETs are wrong about the nature of their experiences, that they are actually having astral experiences, or that they misinterpreted their experiences and that the ETs didn't actually hurt them, or even that they were actually abducted by synthetic beings manufactured by our own Secret Government as part of a false flag operation and so on.

But Sitchin's conclusions about the Annunaki and all the other researchers who have added to the store of theories about their role in our history (which was clearly not all benevolently motivated), are just too convincing. I wonder just how much time Greer has really spent on investigating the research others have done, before so easily dismissing it.

While I do feel in agreement with him that there are positively oriented ETs here now who are trying to help as Greer asserts, I just can't buy Greer's views about Earth history, no matter how self-assured he is about being correct.

I don't mean to resurrect debates about Greer's work here, as we have been there, done that on this forum, but this issue has always really puzzled me. It's so odd that someone like Greer, who has had such influence on the ET/UFO/Disclosure scene is so at odds in so many regards to so many others in the field.

Hi..nice post, but I'm not so sure that we shouldn't re-open the Greer debate at some point, as I think that there was alot left to be discussed after the Camelot interview...an interview that left many people feeling uncomfortable; myself included.

I personally would love to see a "one on one" between Bill and Dr.Greer...I think that it would be an awesome interview, devoid of the tangible antagonism of the last one. I just thought that it was a wasted opportunity with an element of point scoring on both sides. Bill definitely came out best there..and at worst he was sticking up for Kerry, who to my mind was rather offensive during alot of the interview. I think that a measured..hour long chat between Bill and Dr Greer would be an amazingly constructive event for both of our sites.

Merci

Rimbaud

[onawah]

Rimbaud, I think that would be wonderful too, but I just don't feel hopeful about it at this point, at least. It's not so much that I don't feel further debate is unnecessary, but just that I feel it would be fruitless until there is more information to work with, and that would necessitate Greer being more forthcoming to putting his own agenda aside long enough to answer the questions we would all like to ask, and I don't get the feeling he would be willing to do that, even with gentle coaxing from someone like Bill Ryan. I would be happy to be proven wrong!

[Chakra]

"I could even swallow his assertions that people who think they have been abducted by ETs are wrong about the nature of their experiences, that they are actually having astral experiences, or that they misinterpreted their experiences and that the ETs didn't actually hurt them, or even that they were actually abducted by synthetic beings manufactured by our own Secret Government as part of a false flag operation and so on."

Frankly I find this idea or concept rather offensive - my experiences as a child started to really come out during a regression, just alfa state not hypnotized. What I started describing happening (grays floating me off the bed - age 11) came as a real shocker to both me and the therapist. Even though she claimed one could not make stuff up or lie in this state. At the same time she couldn't even believe what I was saying. This is something that is not suppose to happen in a session where the person is in a very vulnerable state - it compounds the sense of distress that the person is trying to work through.

Anyways - it also proves the point that she was also in no way leading me in this direction.
We both knew I had a very traumatic experience that I am still not 100% sure of what happened. But my body knows because it happen to my body, and any real therapist will tell you, you can't fake that. Nightmares or bad dreams do not leave these kinds of scars or traumatize your subconscious to the point of sheer panic and terror.

The only time I feel safe, now as an adult, is in a big city. As a child I lived up in the Yukon, I loved the woods and would walk for miles by myself - never afraid of anything. I used to love camping, and the wilderness. I have tried over and over to get passed my fear of small towns and camping....can't do it. I would walk down a back alley off Hastings and Main (bad area here) before you would get me out camping again. :)

And seriously what secret US agency is going to go out to the Yukon to abduct and traumatize 11 year olds....that sounds to me oddly enough even more ridiculous that ET abductions. :)

Greer needs to do a disclosure project on himself I fear....and does anyone else but me find it odd that someone keeps saying their hot and takes off their sports coat to show off their muscles. He has done this numerous times now - I don't get it. He seems he is getting very frustrated too.

Renee

[Etherios]

Its simple. Summer is almost out. If he doesnt do anything to oppose obama as he said its over for him simple as that. After this month i am sure obama wont have diclosured anything so Greer needs to act on his own words.. We will see how true greer is ... i am afraid he will disappoint all of us.

[scanner]

Forgive me for editing. I'm not as eloquent or as well spoken, I find I have to mull over what I want to say, in order to get the essence of what I mean across. This is the last time I will do so. I hope we can talk about this.

I just wanted to put my own mind into perspective as to why we are all here and fully understand what Bill and Kerry have been trying to do. It's about the truth, it's about disclosure. It's about disinformation verses reality. It's real concern for the earth, the species who live upon it ~and off it. After the great interview Bill did with Paul Hellyer, all of the cumulative work and effort of Kerry and Bill, and all those who have come forward at great risk to their lives... so many people, to include our own undeniable work and experiences, why is it that I am here? Bill's interview allowed us to listen to Paul Hellyer; in it, he stated we have about 10 years to change the world. To disregard the disinformation and focus on reality by working together and supporting each other.
I think I am here to help push this work over the brink so that it becomes common knowledge. In the video below, Dr. Greer states the sign that we're ready equates to the work we are doing. We cannot change the world unless we come together and partisipate. Once given this information, information that confirms our own research or search, do we, or don't we have an obligation to live more and more by what we believe? I don't want to be afraid of any of this or confused. I don't feel that way any more, ya know? However, I do understand, through my own experience, there are those who are not necessarily friendly and that even me, in this state of consciousness, am capable of doing harm, if I forget that thought is instant in this state. I was shocked when I found that out. It told me something about myself. It told me that, even though I swore to do nothing but good, to be nothing but good, that thought was within me. I stopped it, and really recognized it... there it was. I almost swooped down and made a psychic hit on someone I felt was very negative in nature.

For instance, has anyone partisipated in group meditation in the same room with the kundalini force running through it?

If so, would you or any of the others be willing to talk about it?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8964281348675417592#docid=7158929399739557807

Forgive me for editing. I'm not as eloquent or as well spoken, I find I have to mull over what I want to say, in order to get the essence of what I mean across. This is the last time I will do so. I hope we can talk about this.

Surely it's the MESSAGE that's important and not the way it is written , I find on these fora ppl DON'T post because of this . Absolute innate snobbery creeping on the internet, it is for everyone and not just for some who can spell or have the written skill to dumbdown others . So keep posting my friend .

Great post re Greer many thanks

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Hi Rimbaud, I agree that the Camelot interview with Greer was uncomfortable to watch. It seemed more like an attack to me. I also agree he and Bill would make a better interview, but I doubt that he would agree after the way he was treated in the first one.

I know several people who have worked with Greer and they all think highly of him. That being said, it is my person perspective that often when someone is making a living off of a belief their ego becomes attached to it and the belief becomes more important than the truth - and I have seen much ego in Greer. Actually, if you want to know Greer's thoughts, reading his books and his website would be helpful.

My personal experience with ET's has been positive from my perspective. Does that mean all ET's are good? - I definitely can't say that - and I suspect that Greer can't say that for sure either.

As for your meditating: That is just one path to peace and source, there are many paths. Your experience in the garden tells me that nature might be your path. I have had wonderful experiences with nature. Flowers are great flow-ers of love and energy. I'd like to suggest that you go to the same spot every day where you have that peaceful experience and expect something to happen. Don't force it, just allow.

a bientot, Ba-ba-Ra

[onawah]

"I could even swallow his assertions that people who think they have been abducted by ETs are wrong about the nature of their experiences, that they are actually having astral experiences, or that they misinterpreted their experiences and that the ETs didn't actually hurt them, or even that they were actually abducted by synthetic beings manufactured by our own Secret Government as part of a false flag operation and so on."

Frankly I find this idea or concept rather offensive - my experiences as a child started to really come out during a regression, just alfa state not hypnotized. What I started describing happening (grays floating me off the bed - age 11) came as a real shocker to both me and the therapist. Even though she claimed one could not make stuff up or lie in this state. At the same time she couldn't even believe what I was saying. This is something that is not suppose to happen in a session where the person is in a very vulnerable state - it compounds the sense of distress that the person is trying to work through.

Anyways - it also proves the point that she was also in no way leading me in this direction.
We both knew I had a very traumatic experience that I am still not 100% sure of what happened. But my body knows because it happen to my body, and any real therapist will tell you, you can't fake that. Nightmares or bad dreams do not leave these kinds of scars or traumatize your subconscious to the point of sheer panic and terror.

The only time I feel safe, now as an adult, is in a big city. As a child I lived up in the Yukon, I loved the woods and would walk for miles by myself - never afraid of anything. I used to love camping, and the wilderness. I have tried over and over to get passed my fear of small towns and camping....can't do it. I would walk down a back alley off Hastings and Main (bad area here) before you would get me out camping again. :)

And seriously what secret US agency is going to go out to the Yukon to abduct and traumatize 11 year olds....that sounds to me oddly enough even more ridiculous that ET abductions. :)

Greer needs to do a disclosure project on himself I fear....and does anyone else but me find it odd that someone keeps saying their hot and takes off their sports coat to show off their muscles. He has done this numerous times now - I don't get it. He seems he is getting very frustrated too.

Renee

Renee, you're right and I apologize. What I should have said was perhaps SOME abductees were actually having astral experiences, but I don't think they all could have been that confused or deceived. I have heard of SOME abductees who, after some therapy, hypnosis, etc. said that they weren't actually physically hurt but that it seemed to them they were hurt because they were so terrified.

I've always felt that the abductee programs were NOT benevolent but self-serving at the very least, even if the programs were somehow intended by the Zetas (who seem to have been doing most of it) to help us wake up, or, as some have asserted, that abductees actually volunteered (subconsciously) to be studied in order to help the Zetas save their own race (which would mean benevolence on the part of the abductees, but NOT the Zetas!!)
Greer's assertion that no ETs need our (or cattle's) DNA, or need to study our physiology also makes no sense to me. If benevolent ETs have been doing all the tissue sampling and mutilations for our own benefit, well, if they are benevolent, they could surely have done their studies without causing so much harm.

It doesn't make sense that our government would be doing all that over so many years. For what? Just to scare us? It makes more sense to me that not-so-benevolent ETs have been behind all this, though perhaps the Secret Government has had a hand in it too.

There's definitely something fishy about Greer's assertions, but I just felt like I had to give up on ever knowing what the deal is with him, whether it's ego or what. He certainly is dismissive of any views but his own, and I doubt if it will really make any difference to Greer whether Obama discloses or not. He will probably just keep on doing what he's doing.
If another country discloses, well that would be nice! I don't think it really matters which country goes first, just that it HAPPENS!

Really, I find it much harder to credit Greer's claims than I do most abductees. I was just giving him the benefit of the doubt for the sake of the discussion.

Wishing you the best...

[Rimbaud]

Rimbaud, I think that would be wonderful too, but I just don't feel hopeful about it at this point, at least. It's not so much that I don't feel further debate is unnecessary, but just that I feel it would be fruitless until there is more information to work with, and that would necessitate Greer being more forthcoming to putting his own agenda aside long enough to answer the questions we would all like to ask, and I don't get the feeling he would be willing to do that, even with gentle coaxing from someone like Bill Ryan. I would be happy to be proven wrong!

You're absolutely correct in what you say...I'm actually in contact with Dr. Greer (at least I think I am)...and currently he isn't prepared to work with anyone from Camelot/ Avelon..he still resents "that" interview. It's a massive loss to us all however...can you imagine what ground could be covered between Greer and Bill? As you say..maybe in time!..I guess we'll all have to wait and see.

Best regards

Rimbaud

[Etherios]

You're absolutely correct in what you say...I'm actually in contact with Dr. Greer (at least I think I am)...and currently he isn't prepared to work with anyone from Camelot/ Avelon..he still resents "that" interview. It's a massive loss to us all however...can you imagine what ground could be covered between Greer and Bill? As you say..maybe in time!..I guess we'll all have to wait and see.

Best regards

Rimbaud

I will only consider Greer as a someone that i should listen to AFTER he does something now that the summer is almost gone. If he doesnt react (Obama will never disclose) then he is a nothing in my book. Just a pawn of the PTB to miss guide us... Truths with lies to mess us up.

[Rimbaud]

Hi Rimbaud, I agree that the Camelot interview with Greer was uncomfortable to watch. It seemed more like an attack to me. I also agree he and Bill would make a better interview, but I doubt that he would agree after the way he was treated in the first one.

I know several people who have worked with Greer and they all think highly of him. That being said, it is my person perspective that often when someone is making a living off of a belief their ego becomes attached to it and the belief becomes more important than the truth - and I have seen much ego in Greer. Actually, if you want to know Greer's thoughts, reading his books and his website would be helpful.

My personal experience with ET's has been positive from my perspective. Does that mean all ET's are good? - I definitely can't say that - and I suspect that Greer can't say that for sure either.

As for your meditating: That is just one path to peace and source, there are many paths. Your experience in the garden tells me that nature might be your path. I have had wonderful experiences with nature. Flowers are great flow-ers of love and energy. I'd like to suggest that you go to the same spot every day where you have that peaceful experience and expect something to happen. Don't force it, just allow.

a bientot, Ba-ba-Ra

Hi..thanks for your kind post and I pretty much concur with what you said about Dr. Greer...To conclude, please read my message to "Onawah", which is a brief of my point of view on this particular subject.

With regards to the "meditation" aspect of my earlier post..well it happened again today! Actually I'm a kind of mentally hyperactive kind of guy..always looking for peace of mind and friends peace of mind. The most amazing thing is that I drifted off (I was awake) listening to the waterfall by by back garden and was TOTALLY at peace with myself , probably for the first time since I was about twelve years old.

One extraordinary thing was that I was covered in butterflies from head to foot..how weird is that!

Anyway..many thanks for your posts

Love

Rimbaud

[Rimbaud]

I will only consider Greer as a someone that i should listen to AFTER he does something now that the summer is almost gone. If he doesnt react (Obama will never disclose) then he is a nothing in my book. Just a pawn of the PTB to miss guide us... Truths with lies to mess us up.

I guess that you're right..especially about Obama!..I never thought for a second that he'd "disclose" simply because he was black and new and groundbreaking. At the end of the day he's just the same old career politician..with the same old motives..the same old controls. The USA will never disclose, so I guess that it's up to the rest of us to do it.

Rimbaud

[sygh]

I don't mean to resurrect debates about Greer's work here, as we have been there, done that on this forum, but this issue has always really puzzled me. It's so odd that someone like Greer, who has had such influence on the ET/UFO/Disclosure scene is so at odds in so many regards to so many others in the field.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you on this. I find him at odds too. I'm sorry I missed out on the debate. But I would like to hear about any experiences you've had meditating with more than just yourself in the room, if you've had an experience like that, and what was the experience like for you and or the others?

[onawah]

I agree with you on this. I find him at odds too. I'm sorry I missed out on the debate. But I would like to hear about any experiences you've had meditating with more than just yourself in the room, if you've had an experience like that, and what was the experience like for you and or the others?[/QUOTE]

Yes, I've done quite a lot of group meditation, and have always found it to be very powerful, as long as the participants share the same intentions. I have had all kinds of different experiences, from Wiccan circles to being in the presence of channelers, to living at a Zen Center. I still haven't had any contact with a UFO manned by ETs that I am aware of, but I hope to! I think Greer is really doing great work in that regard, as is James Gilliland.

[Chakra]

Hi Onawah - sorry I was worried that you might interpret it this way. When I wrote this I was referring to the reference that Greer had made - I did not actually see it as your opinion as well. I frankly have some rather strong opinions on this subject and I am afraid that may have come out in a different way than was intended. :)

I believe we are basically at war here - it is a war of / for the earth and the inhabitants = mind body and especially the Christ potential of the soul - the golden elixir to immortally. Most of the population I also feel doesn't have a clue of their inner potential and that has been intentionally keep from them. Knowledge is power - no knowledge no power. Those that keep it that way or kill off anyone that believes. differently.

I also believe that Greer has a very personal agenda - I don't know anyone here personally but I am very proud of the way Kerry stood her ground with him. He is becoming a very intimidating personality - strong women don't buy into that crap. If I remember correctly he kept rolling up the sleeve on the side that was nearer to her. The body language says so much in the way of subconscious beliefs it's amazing. :)

He was so evasive and that might have worked with some men who are easily distracted :) but she wanted a straight answer and he was doing his damnedest to avoid it. It is also a well known physiological aspect of men, that those that are dismissive and disrespectful of women (also a reflection of their attitudes towards their own soul) are more easier manipulated by a someone that is a more 'alpha' type male. Greer is definitely pushing towards maintaining that status.

Also on that note - I think it would have been more effective as a team for Kerry and Bill to have sat side by side, rather than him sit between them. That would have reduced the 'attacked from both sides feeling'. But I feel it also became more of 'he got between them' as well - splitting a united front.

Anyways thank you for the conversation too! :) I will continue to work on being clearer in my intent.

Cheers!

[onawah]

I guess that you're right..especially about Obama!..I never thought for a second that he'd "disclose" simply because he was black and new and groundbreaking. At the end of the day he's just the same old career politician..with the same old motives..the same old controls. The USA will never disclose, so I guess that it's up to the rest of us to do it.

Rimbaud
I haven't given up completely on Obama yet. I think it was Andrew Basiago who said that Obama was told years ago that he would be the Disclosure President, and if things keep changing at the rate they are, if events keep getting more and more compressed into less and less time, if Obama gets reelected, who knows what might happen yet? At this juncture, politics is still a game of compromise, but someday that too will HAVE TO change.

[sygh]

onawah,

Do you feel any sort of calling to partisipate in group meditation for this purpose, I mean, contacting off-worlders? I've stayed clear of that, myself. Felt too alone, to naive, too vunerable or gullable, toss the dice.

[Moemers]

I'm curious as to what you guys think Greer's personal agenda is?

That's not being confrontational, so please don't take it as such. I just would like to know.

[Chakra]

Well for one he has stated it very clearly that the world will need an emissary - it seems pretty obvious to me he figures he is the one to do the job. I can understand the attachment to that desire as well - he has invested nearly 20 years into working towards that. But I don't feel he has the objectivity that a person in that position would require. He has way too many biases that lead in favor of them over us. Their amazing - we suck. Not a good way to illicit any trust on the part of those that don't buy into rhetoric. The other thing that I hear a lot of and then one thing I don't hear any mention of, and which I find is disconcerting, is the constant message of pushing saving the planet and world peace. But no mention of Freedom.

Both of those things are very admirable and necessary BUT what will be the price? In some peoples minds, saving the planet means population control. (which is playing God) World peace could mean a one world dictatorship. Which means more slavery - No personal identity - no sovereignty. Personally I believe in knowledge and freedom and a world were people can spiritually evolve at their own pace. Not dictated buy something set from a hive mind set.

But hey that just me - some people don't seem to have a problem expecting the government to look after them. :) They are entitled to that belief for as long as they need it. But I shouldn't be expected to just because someone else says so - who is it that has the right to take away a birthright given to me by God? (just a general question:) Or to grow and evolve as a spiritual being experiencing the material world AT my own pace. No one frankly....

So anyways thats my take on it the energy I get from a lot of it is all about Control - not about our well being.

Cheers
Renee

[onawah]

onawah,

Do you feel any sort of calling to partisipate in group meditation for this purpose, I mean, contacting off-worlders? I've stayed clear of that, myself. Felt too alone, to naive, too vunerable or gullable, toss the dice.

I would love to go to Trout Ranch sometime. I like James Gilliland's approach to making Contact much better than Greer's. I would feel safe there. Check out the thread "Up at the Ranch".

Re Moemers query as to what Greer's personal agenda is; ego is a word that seems to come up a lot in these discussions about him, though since I have never met him, I cannot say personally. He openly states he thinks most people in the field of ufology, disclosure etc are way off track and so his opinion of mankind in general is obviously pretty low, (though he does think we are shifting in consciousness, at least).

Ego can get in the way of a lot of things, no matter how good our intentions, so I guess I would have to say that part of his personal agenda is likely to keep that ego intact!
Sometimes people with big egos take on big tasks and actually do a great job. While performing those big tasks, they also often manage to transform the big egos too. So his spiritual agenda may be to make a lot of headway in the Disclosure scene for the good of all (though remaining aloof from most others in the field while doing so), while learning to be more selfless and in unity consciousness in the process, with ETs as his teachers.
He seems to have come in with a clearly defined path, and does not want to be deflected or distracted from it.
And that ego sure does flare up when things don't go his way!

[Chakra]

Ego can get in the way of a lot of things, no matter how good our intentions, so I guess I would have to say that part of his personal agenda is likely to keep that ego intact!
Sometimes people with big egos take on big tasks and actually do a great job. While performing those big tasks, they also often manage to transform the big egos too. So his spiritual agenda may be to make a lot of headway in the Disclosure scene for the good of all (though remaining aloof from most others in the field while doing so), while learning to be more selfless and in unity consciousness in the process, with ETs as his teachers.
He seems to have come in with a clearly defined path, and does not want to be deflected or distracted from it.
And that ego sure does flare up when things don't go his way!

I say AMEN to that! :) couldn't agree more! His first video's you actually could see the 'humble country Doctor' now he has to tell you he is just the 'humble country Doctor'.

lol

[Moemers]

I would love to go to Trout Ranch sometime. I like James Gilliland's approach to making Contact much better than Greer's. I would feel safe there. Check out the thread "Up at the Ranch".



Sorry for another question that might seem inane...but can you tell me the differences between Gilliland and Greer's approach?

[onawah]

Sorry for another question that might seem inane...but can you tell me the differences between Gilliland and Greer's approach?

A picture speaks a thousand words. Just watch some of the videos of each man and you will see for yourself. There are video links and videos embedded in this forum featuring both.

[Fredkc]

The other thing that I hear a lot of and then one thing I don't hear any mention of, and which I find is disconcerting, is the constant message of pushing saving the planet and world peace. But no mention of Freedom.

Both of those things are very admirable and necessary BUT what will be the price? In some peoples minds, saving the planet means population control. (which is playing God) World peace could mean a one world dictatorship. Which means more slavery - No personal identity - no sovereignty. Personally I believe in knowledge and freedom and a world were people can spiritually evolve at their own pace. Not dictated buy something set from a hive mind set.
Bingo!

Without freedom, the rest is a sham.

[Chakra]

Bingo!

Without freedom, the rest is a sham.

Hey thank you!

I was starting to wonder if I was starting to swim in shark infested waters all alone!

I truly believe we should never take whatever semblance of 'freedom' we have left for granted. There are way to many groups with too many agendas to turn a blind eye to it. I know there is a great quote by one of the US presidents about that sort of thing. Sorry I don't remember which one at the moment.

Renee

[Scott]

I haven't given up completely on Obama yet. I think it was Andrew Basiago who said that Obama was told years ago that he would be the Disclosure President, and if things keep changing at the rate they are, if events keep getting more and more compressed into less and less time, if Obama gets reelected, who knows what might happen yet? At this juncture, politics is still a game of compromise, but someday that too will HAVE TO change.

I'm pretty sure Andy has not mentioned that he was "told" that Obama would be the disclosure president.

He did however meet Obama after someone introduced him and they had a lively political debate, where upon the person that introduced him said "I would be careful Andy, Obama is going to be President".
Andy made some offhand comment like " Ya and I will be pitching for the Mets" and the guy who introduced him to Obama while walking up the stairs said "No Andy, you don't get it, He absolutely knows he will be President".

I will ask Andy next time I talk to him, he may have said something to the affect that he is "Calling on President Obama as well as Donald Rumsfeld to step forward and disclose their knowledge and involvement with regards to Project Pegasus, and DARPA's (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) experimentation with Time Travel and Teleportation technologies".

[onawah]

I'm pretty sure Andy has not mentioned that he was "told" that Obama would be the disclosure president.

He did however meet Obama after someone introduced him and they had a lively political debate, where upon the person that introduced him said "I would be careful Andy, Obama is going to be President".
Andy made some offhand comment like " Ya and I will be pitching for the Mets" and the guy who introduced him to Obama while walking up the stairs said "No Andy, you don't get it, He absolutely knows he will be President".

I will ask Andy next time I talk to him, he may have said something to the affect that he is "Calling on President Obama as well as Donald Rumsfeld to step forward and disclose their knowledge and involvement with regards to Project Pegasus, and DARPA's (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) experimentation with Time Travel and Teleportation technologies".


You may be right, as my memory isn't what it used to be, but I do remember reading somewhere that Obama had been briefed before the fact by someone in one of these secret projects that they had "seen the future" and that Obama was going to be President.
It may have been another story wherein he was told he would be the Disclosure President.
I mentioned this without being sure of my source or my recall because I figured there are enough people on this forum familiar with the subject matter that someone would know was I was referring to and would be able to give us the relevant details.
Hoping I didn't rock anyone's boat, as I was just trying to be helpful.

[Scott]

You may be right, as my memory isn't what it used to be, but I do remember reading somewhere that Obama had been briefed before the fact by someone in one of these secret projects that they had "seen the future" and that Obama was going to be President.
It may have been another story wherein he was told he would be the Disclosure President.
I mentioned this without being sure of my source or my recall because I figured there are enough people on this forum familiar with the subject matter that someone would know was I was referring to and would be able to give us the relevant details.
Hoping I didn't rock anyone's boat, as I was just trying to be helpful.

Its all good onawah :)

Andy did say both Bush's were briefed they would become President, young Georgy at the time was walking around the briefing room/ meeting area saying "Me and my Daddy are gunna be President" with that goofy smile on his face he is so famous for :p
I don't doubt Obama was briefed he would be President either.

[onawah]

OK. Good. Thanks Aztar.

[Bill Ryan]

[Andy] did however meet Obama after someone introduced him and they had a lively political debate, where upon the person that introduced him said "I would be careful Andy, Obama is going to be President".
Andy made some offhand comment like " Ya and I will be pitching for the Mets" and the guy who introduced him to Obama while walking up the stairs said "No Andy, you don't get it, He absolutely knows he will be President".



This is accurate: Andy Basiago told Kerry and myself exactly this as well.

He (and Obama) were in their early 20s at the time. They bumped into one another - it was not a planned meeting - and as I recall, it was the first time Andy had met him.

[Daft Ada]

Yes I was just watching a 41 part David Ike and he was explaining how it works and how the PTB make sure they put who they want in as president, and it's all planed well in advance. As he said, it doesn't matter who you vote for...the government gets in!

[Snowbird]

I normally don't follow Dr. Steven Greer or his Orion Project, but I sat and listened to this extremely interesting and informative audio/video by Greer and his two associates from May. What they collectively had to report is very other-worldly. They speak about the genuine attempts made by very sincere people, who very much want alternative energy sources brought out and whose everything in life, is threatened.

Greer describes what is purposely being done to our planet as planetocide and he describes in some detail what he and his associates hold in their possession that will be immediately released en masse if something happens to one of them.

Dr. Steven Greer: Important Orion Update 1/6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5gk3h1kYmE

[Moemers]

They should release it now.

[John Parslow]

Hello Snowbird

Thank you very much for the interesting link. I wonder who the scientist whom they were discussing, the name Dr. Pete Peterson springs to mind but obviously this is just one of the possible many ...

Love and peace to you. JP :cool:

[Elixer]

I love the stuff Greer is working on, disclosure, free energy. Awesome stuff.
But listening to him, he just rubs me the wrong way. His ego seems to be just HUGE, what with the name dropping, the fancy french words, the frequent mention of the many great things he is doing, the fact that he seems to like to hear his own voice, hardly giving another the chance to speak and so on.
Planeticide? Come on. Now he's just trying to inject a term into the popular vocabulary.

This Ego thing has got to be a problem in these fields. It makes one vulnerable to let's say luciferian temptation. The name Orion also has some seriously negative associations.
I realize that my attitude in this regards might be somewhat petty, but I just find hard to take him seriously, even though I'd love to.
It is plausible to me that he is a controlled mouthpiece to soothe the conspiracy crowd.
Except for the initial Press Club disclosure, which I thought was amazing, it seems just a bunch of talk.
Can someone point to something concrete from this guy?

He even mentions (in video 4/6), as I am writing this in fact, that there are people out there "selling snake oil" and "just because someone says they have something, doesn't make it so. It has to be provable". Pot calling kettle black?
It sort of synchronistically confirms my point to me.

[Pan]

he describes in some detail what he and his associates hold in their possession that will be immediately released en masse if something happens to one of them.


See that right there says more then you need to know.

I don't care much for Greer be that pro or con.
But nobody who is sincere will sit on this tech until further notice. Sure, it might cause global chaos, drastic geopolitical power changes and so on. But protecting this tech has resulted in the former as well.

In short I'm just trying to say that there are many people out there who are actively changing this world. They understand it needs to come from an open source non profit mentality.
Greer does not fall into that category.

I'd say his symptoms are what is classically called UFOmadness. Eitherway, Greer is selfish. And selfish people are not the ones holding the solution.
At least thats my opinion.

[steve_a]

Hi Snowbird,

If back pedalling was a source of energy, Greer would be raking it in by now. I'm begining to think he just likes the sound of his own voice. Had a brief listen to the audio and he claims that the Orion Project will only fund 'professional laboratries'. If the laboratries are professional, why would they need limited funds from the Orion Project? As for people being afraid os losing their pensions, most new projects are kept under lock and key and most inovative energy projects are normally bought out by big industry, put on the back burner for when they will really need to use it.

If Greer has something of interest, he should put up, or shut up. Gassing on and on about justifying how he isn't helping anybody, or making much sense is just not cutting it any more. Even the most ardent fan is becoming to get a little frayed around the edges.

In contrast we can clearly see people who are seriously wanting to contribute to savng and using alternative energies at the following link: http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/video/2010/061810.htm

On another Greer note; He apparently said that if Obama didn't disclose ET presence another nation will work with him to find and disclose. Well in my reckoning, he has around five weeks to get things going. Or will he blame the other Government for fibbing to him?

Best regards,

Steve

[John Parslow]

Hello steve_a

What a brilliantly simple idea, thank you for a really interesting link these guys are really thinking outside the box. I sincerely hope they can get this project going. No more asphalt required; power generation from the roads and recycling waste. Looks like they killed three birds with one stone, I sincerely hope this project will be 'allowed' to get off the ground (that should read on the ground) by the ptb.

Love and peace to you my friend. JP :cool:

[lindabaker]

Hello, Steve. I think your link deserves it's own thread. It warrants everyone's attention. Solar roadways: brilliant! If Penn State is on it, it's sound science.

[steve_a]

Hi lindabaker, John Parslow & Co.,

Innovative ideas are always being thought about. I'm suprised (or perhaps not) that Greer hasen't already heard of this and is not pumping his fundings into projects like this, considering his supposed interest and zeal in finding these new forms of using or creating energy. But as I have already said, 'professional' labs that Greer is looking for are exactly that, professional, and don't need the likes of Greer to offer dubious contracts for supposed funding.

If the glass road gets off the ground (or on it) I'm sure there could very well be an industry which will buy the patent and shelve it. But that's another story.

Best regards,

Steve

[Snowbird]

They should release it now.

Well, if they release it now, they will be removed shortly thereafter.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I have a friend who worked closely with Steven Greer for several years, traveled with him, etc., and she adored him in a strangely Guru sort of way. I met him through her and my opinion was what several of you have already posted. HUGE ego, and he surrounds himself with people who do adore him and hold him in a god-like position. I've read some of his books, and while I believe he did have many of the OBE he describes, somewhere along the way his belief system became so concrete that he will do anything to protect his belief (which is attached to ego) to the point where he will not accept any new facts or information that don't support it.... Conversely, I have to give him kudos as he has done much to get ET experiences and information out there, which has made the subject more palatable to much of the general public..... and I agree with Steve, the PTB will shelve anything that doesn't support the flow of money and power to them. If you haven't already, I invite you to listen to Brian O'Leary's interview on Project Camelot. Happy Hunting, Ba-ba-Ra

[Snowbird]

I love the stuff Greer is working on, disclosure, free energy. Awesome stuff.
But listening to him, he just rubs me the wrong way. His ego seems to be just HUGE,...

Stop and think about it. Someone up against huge forces has to have a degree of ego to survive and Steven Greer has survived against all odds. Some time ago I read his book, Hidden Truth-Forbidden Knowledge. There is little ego showing in that book.

This guy is up against a huge rock and a granite hard place. He is a Starseed of magnanimous proportions.

Planeticide? Come on. Now he's just trying to inject a term into the popular vocabulary.

Quite frankly, I think he is right on with that new term. Our planet is being murdered.

Except for the initial Press Club disclosure, which I thought was amazing, it seems just a bunch of talk.
Can someone point to something concrete from this guy?

You just answered your own question. :p

He even mentions (in video 4/6), as I am writing this in fact, that there are people out there "selling snake oil" and "just because someone says they have something, doesn't make it so. It has to be provable".

There are always inventions that do not pan out.

The greatest problem within The Orion Project, is a gross lack of funds. They need the money for technologies that go beyond what is already available today. They are talking about the technologies that will vastly help our planet and our population immediately and not in 20 or 30 years. Those technologies are available but are being held back by those whose names are on Greer's Shock and Awe list.

[Snowbird]

Hi lindabaker, John Parslow & Co.,

Innovative ideas are always being thought about. I'm suprised (or perhaps not) that Greer hasen't already heard of this and is not pumping his fundings into projects like this, considering his supposed interest and zeal in finding these new forms of using or creating energy. But as I have already said, 'professional' labs that Greer is looking for are exactly that, professional, and don't need the likes of Greer to offer dubious contracts for supposed funding.

If the glass road gets off the ground (or on it) I'm sure there could very well be an industry which will buy the patent and shelve it. But that's another story.

Best regards,

Steve

Steve, they have no funds and this is the crux of the problem.

The glass road is a wonderful idea and I hope that these folks are able to run with it. But I'll tell you something that you already know, if this becomes overwhelmingly popular and usable and has potential to make them financially wealthy, it will be squelched. This technology will be shelved and we will never hear about it again. BTW, I subscribe to CMN and love it.

There are some drawbacks or conflicts about this glass road that will have to be worked out. These just popped into my mind as I watched the video. What if the LEDs go out? How are they replaced? These roads would have to be used in areas of the country that are not heavily populated. My mind is going to street hole covers and snow country with hilly and slippery roads. These would have to be built to withstand tremendous desert heat as well as below zero temps. This surface would have to be heated to melt ice. Just thoughts.....

[steve_a]

Hi Snowbird,

If what you say is true, that the Orion Project has no funds, then they should get out of the way and stop fannying around trying to make up excuses as to why they are not wanting to spend what they don't have. They should just be straight up and say that they would like to see something new happen, but don't look for them for funding as they don't have anything.

Also, if it is true what you say, that they are strapped for funds, the whole Orion Project site could be deemed a scam just to get 'donations' from the good people who think as they do, that free energy should be made available.

If it's true what you say, aren't they the 'snake oil salesmen' that they talk so lowly about?

As the glass road is still in the development stage, I'm sure the inventors are already thinking about those problems. However, also it could very well be that we only think of reflective or clear glass to be smooth and slippery. I'm sure the glass manufacturers would conjur up something to get over those hurdles.

Best regards,

Steve

[Swami]

This week are joined by Dr. Steven Greer, founder of the Orion Project and the Disclosure Project. Dr. Greer is physician, ufologist, author, and lecturer ; He was the first to coin the term, “Close Encounters of the 5th Kind” and teaches people how initiate contact with extraterrestrial intelligence.

http://truthfrequencyradio.com/?p=2409

http://truthfrequencyradio.com/podcasts/truthfrequency_08_30_10_Steven_Greer_128k.mp3

What are your opinions on Steven Greer?

[MariaDine]

I agree with him. Once disclosure, by the goverments, officially takes place, people around the world will be shocked. And the door will open to political and economical unrest. Questions will be put to the Organizations and the responsability will be a huge issue. .............They have created a «monster» and we all have to be very responsable, because putting the blame on them won't solve anything.

Those who already know have to look at the present.......

[MariaDine]

The water in our world is one of major issues. It is constantly being supervised.

[MariaDine]

http://perpustakaan.blogspot.com/2009/07/aliens-love-water-ufo-clue-to-be-found.html

[wynderer]

I agree with him. Once disclosure, by the goverments, officially takes place, people around the world will be shocked. And the door will open to political and economical unrest. Questions will be put to the Organizations and the responsability will be a huge issue. .............They have created a «monster» and we all have to be very responsable, because putting the blame on them won't solve anything.

Those who already know have to look at the present.......

i don't agree that humans will freak out when /if the truth that ETs are here is officially announced -- i often bring up the subject of UFOs [ not so much ETs] w/people when we are just chatting -- many people have seen them, or know someone who has -- i think people will be able to deal w/it -- then, too, the massmedia is psychologically preparing people, especially children , along the lines of 'greys & reptilians are our friends'

if 'disclosure' occurs as a mass appearance all over the world of ships of the NWO-aligned ETs, here to take over , perhaps in the guise of saviours, then humans would do well to be worried

i don't agree w/Mr Greer & the other exopoliticians that all ETs are benevolent

[Moemers]

You know, I have to say that I honestly don't believe that Greer thinks all ETs are benevolent. I actually think it's not that easy, but people seem to want to make this issue black and white.

I think that these beings would be so far advanced that to say, surely, "benevolent" or "malevolent", black or white, just isn't possible unless you approach the problem from our level of understanding, which I would assume is far off base from the way things actually are.

If someone can show me definitively where Greer says "All ETs are benevolent" I would be very interested to see it.

[wynderer]

You know, I have to say that I honestly don't believe that Greer thinks all ETs are benevolent. I actually think it's not that easy, but people seem to want to make this issue black and white.

I think that these beings would be so far advanced that to say, surely, "benevolent" or "malevolent", black or white, just isn't possible unless you approach the problem from our level of understanding, which I would assume is far off base from the way things actually are.

If someone can show me definitively where Greer says "All ETs are benevolent" I would be very interested to see it.

well, i do know that one of his proteges, Jeff Peckman, said so on both David Letterman & Larry King [very odd that Mr Peckman, whom i met, & who in his own words is new to the field of ufology, was selected & introduced as a 'UFO expert' on both these shows]

http://www.extracampaign.org/

[MariaDine]

I said what I said. I'm sorry you didn't understand. ,,,Ans I never said they are or aren't benovelent. I just made a an obsevation. There are many people in the world who don't even know what a UFO is, and many who do , don't belive in their existence. The water is a major issue. That I know for sure.

Namaste
MD

[Menkaure]

One thing disclosure will bring, along with the obvious, the attending free energy, high tec, etc... will start the biggest industrial revolution this world will ever see. Everyone will have a job and the oil mongers will be out of business.

[wynderer]

One thing disclosure will bring, along with the obvious, the attending free energy, high tec, etc... will start the biggest industrial revolution this world will ever see. Everyone will have a job and the oil mongers will be out of business.

but why do we have to wait for officials in suits & uniforms to tell us ETs are here before we have access to free energy?

[The One]

Once we are told then the new world will begin. All the lies secrecy cover-ups will come to an end and all those people who have been involved in the cover-up their time will come to an end. Those people are not ready to disclose anything as when they do they don’t know what their fate will be. Let’s not forget these people have been hiding behind themselves for years and are nothing but cowards. One day the truth will come and there won’t be a thing any of the American governments can do to stop it.

[Luke]

Remember that any official "disclosure" would happen within confines of the system. Where power structure want them and when they want them. It's part of power play.'
Even cliche "take us to your leader" is a meme that informs you that they acknowledge our pyramid of power and that they have similar one.
What would be disclosed would be meeting of empires. A show of power designed to crush parts of resistance.

Tolkien wrote about dangers of using tools of the enemy, even if you would do "good" with them. Way I see it this is one of cases. Black tech is another.

On the other hand, important thing is how we perceive universe: as a hostile place or a place to grow, beautiful and dangerous. This is crucial to what we project into "global field". How we see "aliens" is another. How we see what "advanced" civilization is another. Do we see as sovereigns or "poor cousins" or maybe serfs? Do we see "aliens" as saviours, masters, brothers, friends? What we believe in shapes the reality.

You cannot consider these things in separation. There are no separate boxes of "System" "Disclosure" "technology" "energy" morality" "religion" "economy" etc. It is all interconnected, one issue is tied to another and cannot be debated separately.

In the end it boils down to what world you want.

[wynderer]

I said what I said. I'm sorry you didn't understand. ,,,Ans I never said they are or aren't benovelent. I just made a an obsevation. There are many people in the world who don't even know what a UFO is, and many who do , don't belive in their existence. The water is a major issue. That I know for sure.

Namaste
MD

speaking of water -- i was told that Dick Cheney owns all the water rights in the Front Range of the Rocky Mtns

Definition of FRONT RANGE
range of the Rockies extending from central Colorado N into SE Wyoming [from the online Merriam-Webster dictionary]

& some years ago, as part of a local political group, i did some research re who controls the water of the St Lawrence Seaway -- at the time i could find out only that the management of it had been passed from gov't agents to private hands, more of the scary corporate 'privitazation' going on all over the world -- Wikipedia, below, lists 2 of the corporations now controlling the Seaway

The Saint Lawrence Seaway (St. Lawrence Seaway), in French: la Voie Maritime du Saint-Laurent, is the common name for a system of locks, canals and channels that permits ocean-going vessels to travel from the Atlantic Ocean to the North American Great Lakes, as far as Lake Superior. Legally it extends from Montreal to Lake Erie, including the Welland Canal. The seaway is named after the Saint Lawrence River, which it follows from Lake Ontario to the Atlantic Ocean. This section of the seaway is not a continuous canal, but rather comprises stretches of navigable channels within the river, a number of locks, as well as canals made to bypass rapids and dams in the waterway. A number of locks are managed by the Canadian Saint Lawrence Seaway Management Corporation and others by the U.S. Saint Lawrence Seaway Development Corporation. [from Wikipedia]

control/cut off the water & food, & you can easily bring a population to their knees

[this is off-topic --sorry]

[Luke]

(...) management of it had been passed from gov't agents to private hands, more of the scary corporate 'privitazation' going on all over the world -- Wikipedia, below, lists 2 of the corporations now controlling the Seaway
Excuse me, do you REALLY think that there is any difference if something is state controlled or in "private hands"?
Just another illusion to dupe the gullible.

[wynderer]

Excuse me, do you REALLY think that there is any difference if something is state controlled or in "private hands"?
Just another illusion to dupe the gullible.

no -- no difference -- it's just becoming more blatant now --

[MariaDine]

A interview four weeks ago...In the first video the interview starts very near the end...
LOVE
MD



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzjtQaJCX3Y



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc5cYsk7qyU&feature=related

[onawah]

I have a friend who worked closely with Steven Greer for several years, traveled with him, etc., and she adored him in a strangely Guru sort of way. I met him through her and my opinion was what several of you have already posted. HUGE ego, and he surrounds himself with people who do adore him and hold him in a god-like position. I've read some of his books, and while I believe he did have many of the OBE he describes, somewhere along the way his belief system became so concrete that he will do anything to protect his belief (which is attached to ego) to the point where he will not accept any new facts or information that don't support it.... Conversely, I have to give him kudos as he has done much to get ET experiences and information out there, which has made the subject more palatable to much of the general public..... and I agree with Steve, the PTB will shelve anything that doesn't support the flow of money and power to them. If you haven't already, I invite you to listen to Brian O'Leary's interview on Project Camelot. Happy Hunting, Ba-ba-Ra

I think you summed up the puzzle of Dr. Greer very well. Thanks!

[onawah]

Listen free to Steven Greer and Ted Loder talk on World Puja todayonly at:
http://www.worldpuja.org/archives/2010-09-24/index.php?play=on

[New Dawn]

Hi all, I know that a lot of people think Dr. Greer is talking out of his arse, but if you can help me with this I'd be most grateful!

It's my girlfriends birthday in 3 days, and she wants to go UFO hunting, and I promised her I'd get a laser so we can use a laser in the sky. Of course I'll be sensible with it, and make sure I don't aim it when there's a plane in the sky...Anyway, after looking into it a little, I'm under the impression that green lasers are better for this, but I haven't a clue about different ones, and it seems you have to get the right ones.

Any ideas?

Many thanks! :)

[Wood]

Hi New Dawn,

I'm sorry I can't help you with this.

However, may I suggest a few topics you might want to address in your next threads? It could be interesting to discuss how to smuggle drugs through airport security screening or how to build plastic explosives at home (of course to be used in a sensible way). Those topics might help to shape the future of this forum as well.

:)

Peace & truth.

[New Dawn]

Ha, erm...no I'll stick to something harmless!! We're gonna see if they communicate back like Greer says they do.

Drugs and explosives...I'll leave that to someone else :)

[tone3jaguar]

If you want to get one in three days, I would say that you waited to late. Green is the brightest color to the human eye. I bought a 150mw green one from a company in China called O-Like. It was only 100 bucks and you can see the beam hit the clouds.

Click Here for 150mw green laser (http://www.o-like.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=55&zenid=82b6fb040fd81e9f83b4aa8471b1c71f)

[jack]

The lasers good, It might help to do some meditation as well beforehand.

[New Dawn]

Thanks for the help!!! Peace!

[shadowstalker]

Now that was cool info thanks for the link

[Menkaure]

A cheap trick to get subscribers.

[onawah]

Menkaura, it wasn't my trick--I just posted that so if anyone wanted to listen free, they could. It's only free for 24 hours. It was a good talk, in any case. I guess everyone has to make a living.

[Jnana]

Hi all, I know that a lot of people think Dr. Greer is talking out of his arse, but if you can help me with this I'd be most grateful!

It's my girlfriends birthday in 3 days, and she wants to go UFO hunting, and I promised her I'd get a laser so we can use a laser in the sky. Of course I'll be sensible with it, and make sure I don't aim it when there's a plane in the sky...Anyway, after looking into it a little, I'm under the impression that green lasers are better for this, but I haven't a clue about different ones, and it seems you have to get the right ones.

Any ideas?

Many thanks! :)

More power is not necessarily better. Low quality lasers may claim to have a lot of power, but the beam diverges rapidly. Also, more power means you need to be even more careful where you point the thing. I have two green lasers in the 20mw range, both of which are adequate for pointing out things in the sky at night. One has a tighter beam and appears much brighter. Unfortunately, that one no longer seems to be available. The other I bought from Nova Laser, a Canadian outfit, and the quality seems to be pretty good.

As far as ET contact goes, your intentions and desires are the main thing. You also need to be very positive and unafraid. For a first contact, you may have to help them find you. Again, your thoughts are the primary means. Visualize yourself in outer space inviting the ETs to visit you and zooming in on your location on earth. Google Earth can be useful in preparing to do this. If you are alread a skilled remote viewer, then you will have no trouble. A laser can occasionaly help the ETs find your location once they get close, but it isn't essential.

When you are out at night and someone sees a light moving across the sky, a laser can be very helpful for showing the other person where you are looking. But, be sure that you never point the laser directly at an aircraft. You may get a visit from the authorities.

[Elandiel BernElve]

The lasers good, It might help to do some meditation as well beforehand.

What good could a laser do as assistance to meditation?

On topic, I got a military grade green laser pointer from France, works on two AAA batteries. I use Duracell Ultra M or something to pack some punch.
They use it in the field to target locations.
The dot it projects is too bright too look at even in bright daylight and the beam is visible from a few kilometers away at night.
Don't know what the brand is or where it came from. My brother brought it along and left it at my place.

Just recently when I was jogging late in the evening, (I always take it with me) I had an ufo encounter. It was amazing, A bright light fluctuating between barely visible to the brightness of a the biggest star of the sky. It moved quickly but slowed when I started lasering in front of it.

I couldn't help writing "LOVE" in the sky. It remained stationary for a few moments, a minute or so. I was too excited to focus and try meditate and maybe contact them on any telepathic level.
I did say some kind of "welcome on earth and pleased to see you guys" text.

I can say it definately gets their attention. Especially here in the Netherlands where laser pointers are forbidden so seeing one is extremely rare.

Writing this story puts a smile on my face, it was a beautiful night. I just decided to go off on the roof again:)

Love & Peace

[Ross]

And dont point em at your's or anyones eyes...Sure you know that already... but just in case...

Ross

[Ethereal Blue Being]

The major us city I live in has a military base on the city outskirts, If you have a military base, major airport or small airports really close you might get visits or If it is a cloudy night and it lights up clouds, people might panic and start calling law enforcement. If you have any friends or aquaintences that are police maybe they can check for you. If you use too intense of a laser improperly. it might be a felony and not a misdemeanor. maybe the manufacturers websites listed in the posts above have some cautionary advice to give customers before you purchase to limit their liability. My husband has a couple of friends that do lasers for showbusiness,major acts, theatres ,concerts etc. and they are trained and certified and have to go through alot to secure their lasers and all associated equipment when not in use and they are heavily insured. Bottom line, lasers are serious business please be careful and know your local laws.

[tone3jaguar]

There is federal law about all lasers over 5mw in power being pointed above the horizon being a crime. I use my 150mw above the horizon, but I treat the beam like it where a gun and any potential conventional aircraft are the people. Because the beam gets larger the further away from you it gets, you could potentially temporarily flash blind a pilot if the beam went through the wind screen.

The danger of this happening is more for lower flying aircraft. If you are near an airport then you should not use one above the horizon. The pilots report the area where they saw it come from and then officials can be on the look out for it again. If you hit the bottom of a jet liner that is at 26,000 feet on accident then no one in the airplane would ever know it. The best thing to do is if you see something that you think might be a UFO, do not point directly at it with the laser. Instead make a quick circle around the object just in case you misidentified it.

[witchy1]

This is an amazing briefing (telling him whats going on) covering: Earth quarantine, False flag UFO pending, programmed life forms (PLF), Free Energy, M12, plus many others. January 2009.

Apologies if it has been presented before:

Not a long document, but to whet your appetite


"We are also morally obliged to warn you of an existing highly secretive plan to use advanced technologies to hoax an ‘alien attack’ on Earth. There exists within the direct control of this Majestic group assets capable of launching such a false flag operation and virtually every person on Earth, as well as most leaders, would be deceived by it. Components of this operation have been tested on the public over the past 50 years and include, but are not limited to:..............."


"That we are not alone in the universe is now a scientific given. That we have been visited already by advanced civilizations.............."


"These visitors, however, appear to be very concerned with unchecked human hostility, war-making and weapons of mass destruction, combined with our early potential for space travel...."


"Once we vow to live peacefully on Earth and go into space only in peace, we will be welcome with open arms. Until then, a type of cosmic quarantine exists - rightly - around the Earth...."


"Because of this misguided secrecy, the wondrous new sciences related to advanced energy generation, propulsion and transportation have been withheld from the people. These advances include the generation of limitless clean energy from the so-called zero point energy field and quantum vacuum flux field from the space around us, and propulsion that has been termed (incorrectly) anti-gravity. The field of electromagnetic energy that is teeming all around us and which is embedded within the fabric of space/time can easily run all of the energy needs of the Earth – without pollution, oil, gas, coal, centralized utilities or nuclear power."


"Programmed Life Forms (PLFs) - these are well-crafted alien-appearing creatures that, while
completely manmade, often deceive unknowing people as ‘aliens’. The stagecraft, genetics
and other sciences associated with these creatures are beyond the scope of this brief, but.."

http://www.disclosureproject.org/docs/obama/obama-briefing-introduction.pdf

http://www.disclosureproject.org/docs/obama/obama-briefing-introduction.pdf

[witchy1]

Probably put these the wrong way round. This is the Intro to the disclosure community

http://www.disclosureproject.org/docs/obama/obama-briefing-intro-letter.pdf

If you felt the urge to contact the President or any other relevant entities, you may do so with these communication channels


White House phone number: 202-456-1111
White House fax number: 202-456-2461
Email: president@whitehouse.gov or comments@whitehouse.gov
Address:
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW
Washington, DC 20500
U.S. Senators - http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
U.S. Congress - http://www.house.gov/

Cant tell me they dont know!!!!

[fifi]

Over a year ago, I went to the White House website, and sent an email with the link to this briefing. Never got a response. But I encourage everybody to do it. If they receive a lot of emails, maybe they will do something.

[witchy1]

Apart from providing our newer member with the information, my hope is that this will reach more places (as apparently things here are AV are taken all over the net) and eventually filter back letting them know that:

WE KNOW
We are aware
We are growing.
We are watching
We are waiting.

Its adds to the ripples in the pond - (Im hoping for a sizable wave to reach someone - ever the optomist)

[HaveBlue]

I am curious what others' take on Steven Greer is. . --------------------------Thoughts?

I myself have much respect for this man. It is his Disclosure Project docos that I first got from the piratebay that got me into this whole thing. Untill then I had just been like most other sheeple in not taking the ufo people too seriously. Hey, I've taken plenty of magic mushrooms myself in years gone by!

He lives this 24/7 and is totally committed to the cause. He risks his life as do alot of other such as Bill and Kerry to wake US up.
I am truly grateful to this man. What he does in his 'spare' time and what his sexual orientation is not the issue.
The 400 witnesses and Steven Greers tenacity are the issue for me. That was 10 years ago so there will be many more by now.
And BTW these witnesses are not idiots. You will not find more credible people anywhere.
Thanks to Steven Greer I 'sat up' and started taking notice from the day I watched that video onwards.
Bill has stated it was Greer and his Disclosure Project that got him to do the same. Same goes for Gary Mc Kinnon, the engish 'hacker' that is still getting the run around to this day over what are they going to do with him with regards to prosecution! Why is that? They must be quite concerned about what he might say in court under oath me thinks!

These people are the ones that make up my list of 'The most important people of the last 20 years'.
We only get told about the ones that did this or that. Not the ones that were PREVENTED from doing this or that!

[str8thinker]

Hi all

I happened to stumble across this download link (http://rapidshare.com/files/365709784/worldpuja-2009-08-14_Good_ET_vs_Bad_ET_Paradigm.mp3) for one of Steven Greer's WorldPuja interviews.

It's 21 Mb but well worth listening to. In it Steven discusses Programmed Life Forms (PLFs) and mentions Martin Cannon's 1996 book The Controllers which you can read online here (http://www.whale.to/b/cannon.html) or here (http://www.constitution.org/abus/controll.htm).

The gist of it is that the most frequently reported aliens are actually products of the military-industrial complex, and nearly all so-called alien abductions (including animal mutilations) are carried out by the same nice group of people, for reasons that will become apparent as you listen.

(Added) Here's the PDF version, which is nicer to read (attachment).

[Etherios]

I still cant believe that all ETs are benevolent ... it just feels wrong. Even if they are good hearted all of them will do whats best for their people. So in the end it only matters what they do to our people that counts not if they have good hearts.

[kooky]

I haven't listened to it or read it yet but it takes me back to his Project Camelot interview and something that Bill and Kerry never picked up on or asked him about. The point he was trying to get across was in order to do the things they do like travel in space and go from planet to planet, your consciousness has to be raised to a certain level. You can only do that if you have good intentions. If you have bad intentions then you will never reach that level of consciousness. So? The point is if their flying around up there and doing all the things they are doing then the only way they can do it is by having their consciousness raised and have good intentions, if they were negative they wouldn't be able to do it. In other words you can't begin to do what they do if your wanting it for negative purposes.

[Etherios]

Kooky ...
is it wrong or negative to leave 2-3 million kids around the world to die every year when ETs have the tech to i dont know help them??
is it wrong or negative to give to the humans that kill and enslave other humans technology and guidance?
is it wrong or negative to sign treaties with barbarian (compared to you) life forms and give them technology 100-1000 years ahead of them for "something" in return?
is it wrong or negative to see humans use the ET technology that you gave them for evil and inhuman acts
is it wrong or negative to ... i can go on and on.......

Not it isnt evil or negative. ETs are doing what they have to for their planet, for their people. The end result is that humans suffer cause of them so being negative or not is totally irrelevant.
I hope you dont think all beings out there are saints and can only do self sacrificing acts to help total barbaric races like ours. There is a bridge i want to sell you if you do think that way.

Last if what he says is true (tho i totally dont believe what he says) then we humans cant pilot those ships and the humans alive today and 2-3 more generations will NEVER be able to travel to the starts ... why? Cause the negativity of our elites and their minions are so big it scares me even thinking about it. But i think he said that we have tech to travel the starts and that we already are on some other star systems ... tho i might be wrong. See many contradictions here.

p.s. i really dont like humans like Dr Greer sorry

[str8thinker]

@Etherios: I think the point Steven was trying to make is that the number of contacts we make with real ETs is far fewer than most people imagine. Certainly they are not all likely to be benign.

[Noble Hops]

@Etherios: I think the point Steven was trying to make is that the number of contacts we make with real ETs is far fewer than most people imagine. Certainly they are not all likely to be benign.

Yes, and his other big point was that a future false flag attack (to spark another war in which we eagerly give up liberties for security) would come from space via these phony genetically-engineered critters under their control.

It's so far out, but it makes sense. They are running out of earthly boogeymen to point the finger at as a reason for war, so why not turn to space? They can even offer the public solid "proof" with an engineered specimen, dead or alive.

[vibrations]

My entyre experience with ET's is that they are not only techy advanced but spiritualy evolved because as I understand the evolution in next stages can bring almost exclusevely higher values far away from war, politics, monetary economy, health issues etc. So why don't they help. Well, it's our planet, our destiny our struggle for the better (or worst) future, and if they intervein then this is not our achivement and the lesson is not learned. I learned from them a tremendes amount of positive things about psycology, medicine sociology, philosophy, history as I coudn't learn in three or four lifes. So I belive that almost all wish us all good.

[Etherios]

Sorry guys but Greer goes from what you say (we have to be careful of false flags) to ALL star travelers are ONLY benevolent cause its the only way to travel... i cant believe this.

So vibration what about the ancient gods ( they were aliens "guiding" humanity) do you count those as wanted our good?

[str8thinker]

ALL star travelers are ONLY benevolent cause its the only way to travel... i cant believe this.

I don't believe it either. It doesn't necessarily follow.

[JDM]

ALL star travelers are ONLY benevolent cause its the only way to travel... i cant believe this.

I don't believe it either. It doesn't necessarily follow.

Im going to have to agree with both of you on that statement.

Technology doesn't care weather you are benevolent or malevolent.

[13th Warrior]

I was very concerned with the Project Camelot interview with Dr. Steven Greer.

I wasn't aware of Dr. Greer or his work until that interview.

I was shocked at how he was treated by Bill and Kerry and the brow beating that insued; never before had i seen Project Camelot conduct such and interview with a witness no matter how "out there" the material they were presenting was; they were allowed to tell "their" story.

I noticed a lot of change in Project Camelot after that interview much of which has lead to it's current state of affairs.

[kooky]

You can't really fault Greer either because lets face it, we have NEVER seen any kind of attack by extraterrestrials before. They literally do just fly around in the skys observing. That's not to say their all good but certainly there is nothing to suggest that they wish us harm. Maybe he did have a point. Maybe that is why we literally cannot leave the planet right now. Maybe you really do need to have a higher state of consciousness and have good intentions to travel to the stars.

[Etherios]

You can't really fault Greer either because lets face it, we have NEVER seen any kind of attack by extraterrestrials before. They literally do just fly around in the skys observing. That's not to say their all good but certainly there is nothing to suggest that they wish us harm. Maybe he did have a point. Maybe that is why we literally cannot leave the planet right now. Maybe you really do need to have a higher state of consciousness and have good intentions to travel to the stars.

Kooky what really makes me wonder is what he is doing with his organization. He has said many things that he never did (remember about a deadline to Obama?) and many things that hide from the rest. Not to say his ego is bigger than my house ... where is the higher state in him? He keeps explaining how hard is to present free energy and he keeps going round the bush with it.

I am not sure but i really think he is paid to say what he does. Many ppl follow what he says and he has made UFO subject really public. Imagine what will that do to alternative media and ufologists when the false flag happen and ETs are presented that way.

We cant leave the planet? we already have bases all over the system ... many years ago in a party for the movie ET there was an insider (scientist cant remember name) that said in a joke " We have the means to take ET home" ... that was decades ago. PLZ stop wishing for good benevolent being to save us.

[kooky]

There is bases on other planets but you can't go to them can you? Of course you can't and until you and people like you fight back agains those that do then you never will. If you wanna go out there your gonna need to fight for it. It's never gonna happen and the real E.Ts are not gonna interfere with anything because that means causing some kind of war. Not from their side but from ours. A false flag attack will probably happen and people will probably believe it and as far as the people on Avalon go......it's kinda like what Charles said in his video interview. Just because you know something is gonna happen doesn't mean your gonna come out of it ok, you just know your screwed. And that is true. That's exactly what will happen. There will always be those that are lost, those that know what's going on and don't do anything and then those that are in power that have access to EVERYTHING. We will still be here in 5 years time, no further on.

I could bring in James Gilliland into this. Look at all the stuff that goes on at his ranch. I could make a point and say why doesn't Bill or Kerry go there, do a interview with James, spend a week taking pictures or filming stuff. Actually see these things flying around for themselves and then show us and let us see. Why doesn't Richard Dolan, rather than hunting down documents and writing books. Why doesn't he go to the Ranch and view these ships flying around and 'communicating' with the people on the ground? He wants to see a UFO? He wants to find out if it's real? Why doesn't he go and see for himself? Or is everybody that goes there and takes pictures and videos liars? I'm right aren't i? You wanna see the real deal? Why not go and see it for yourself and find out if it's real or if it's fake. Or is that not what is on the agenda? Is it more fun to speculate rather than go and see the proof for yourself. There is a lot of unanswered questions. As far as Steven Greer and his free energy devices, their not his. I believe if someone gave him one for himself he would have no problem showing people. Or maybe he knows he really would end up dead before he even got the the chance to show people.

[Etherios]

There is bases on other planets but you can't go to them can you? Of course you can't and until you and people like you fight back agains those that do then you never will. If you wanna go out there your gonna need to fight for it. It's never gonna happen and the real E.Ts are not gonna interfere with anything because that means causing some kind of war. Not from their side but from ours. A false flag attack will probably happen and people will probably believe it and as far as the people on Avalon go......it's kinda like what Charles said in his video interview. Just because you know something is gonna happen doesn't mean your gonna come out of it ok, you just know your screwed. And that is true. That's exactly what will happen. There will always be those that are lost, those that know what's going on and don't do anything and then those that are in power that have access to EVERYTHING. We will still be here in 5 years time, no further on.

I could bring in James Gilliland into this. Look at all the stuff that goes on at his ranch. I could make a point and say why doesn't Bill or Kerry go there, do a interview with James, spend a week taking pictures or filming stuff. Actually see these things flying around for themselves and then show us and let us see. Why doesn't Richard Dolan, rather than hunting down documents and writing books. Why doesn't he go to the Ranch and view these ships flying around and 'communicating' with the people on the ground? He wants to see a UFO? He wants to find out if it's real? Why doesn't he go and see for himself? Or is everybody that goes there and takes pictures and videos liars? I'm right aren't i? You wanna see the real deal? Why not go and see it for yourself and find out if it's real or if it's fake. Or is that not what is on the agenda? Is it more fun to speculate rather than go and see the proof for yourself. There is a lot of unanswered questions. As far as Steven Greer and his free energy devices, their not his. I believe if someone gave him one for himself he would have no problem showing people. Or maybe he knows he really would end up dead before he even got the the chance to show people.

So what this reply have anything to do with the fact that Greer things we can only travel if we are good so all ETs are good? And i sure know that he cant release free energy but he sure tries to make ppl believe in him ... isnt that bad? So you admitting he is fooling the ppl that listen to him?

Anyway the topic is what Greer thinks about good and bad aliens not what we think about his integrity.

[Vangelo]

I still cant believe that all ETs are benevolent ... .
Greer's belief that the vast majority of the harmful things ETs do are actually done by the military industrial complex makes the most logical sense to me. I do not believe ETs are malevolent because if they were, we would not still be here. We'd all be corralled like cattle if we were their food or stored in sterile cages if we were the subject of their experiments. Evidence of their ill will would be quite obvious.

Regards,
Vangelo

[Etherios]

I still cant believe that all ETs are benevolent ... .
Greer's belief that the vast majority of the harmful things ETs do are actually done by the military industrial complex makes the most logical sense to me. I do not believe ETs are malevolent because if they were, we would not still be here. We'd all be corralled like cattle if we were their food or stored in sterile cages if we were the subject of their experiments. Evidence of their ill will would be quite obvious.

Regards,
Vangelo

Erm its not black and white. Out there there is similar political situations as here in earth. I really think that planet earth is a microcosm of the universe. Here we talk about countries there they talk about start systems but its all the same. There are those that want to take over this planets for what ever gain and others that want to keep it like it is. Thats why we see so much subtle and hidden interaction and not total all out war. Alex Collier said at one point that we signed treaties and the "good" ones cant force the "bad" ones out of earth with out war. I think the universe is full of life and not all life is good or bad. They want whats best for them and not always whats best for humans.

[VajraYaya]

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Im going to have to agree with both of you on that statement.

Technology doesn't care weather you are benevolent or malevolent.

AN iPhone doesn't care whether you are benevolent or malevolent. Neither does a car. But the future of technology is not more smaller transistors on a wafer, it will be a blend of consciousness and matter, the fruit of a perception that consciousness and matter are indeed the same thing and not OTHER than each other. Scientists have yet to see this possibility but there are spiritually evolved people that can. At this level of development where consciousness has an effect on the expression, condition and operation of matter that can be seen to be arranged as technology, that condition, that blend, can only happen if higher vibrational states and perceptions exist alone, which means that the consciousness MUST be singular,meaning that there is no room for any kind of earlier, dualistic perception, fear, doubt. One has to outgrow these perceptions. Until we evolve to this level, which is very close for some people, we cannot even see this possibility or create or operate this technology.