Predictions..!

[jackovesk]

Just wanted to run this 'Idea' past you all,

Leading up to 12/21/2012 as you know there is much Speculation and 'Growing' Interest as to what may play out on/after that day, that is not going to go away...

Predictions are now becoming thick and fast amongst the alternative community...

Lately we continually hear about the increased 'Fearmongering Issues' here at Avalon, which in my view is not really an issue at all...as most of these threads contain actual on-the-ground Truth as to what is really going on within the world.

Like anything else 'Discernment' is the key as to what individual chooses to believe or not...

In light of this 'Ongoing Issue' can I suggest we open up a new (Sub Topic) named "Predictions" so people can post on what 'Predictions' are being discussed in the alternative media at an increasingly rapid rate leading up to 2012...

It would help 'ISOLATE' many of the so called predictive 'Fearmongering' type threads in one sub-topical area for those that wish to discuss such events on the proviso there is a 'Disclaimer'...


Disclaimer: "These are Predictions only, and your Discernment is paramount when viewing this Sub-Topic"

There are no right or wrong predictions in this Sub-Topic, it is merely a place of discussion for those interested...

So when people go to this Sub-Topic 'Predictions' they will know what to expect..! Its just a place to post and discuss threads on 'Predictions'.

What say you..?

Regards,

Jack

PS - Don't know about you but I am growing increasingly tired of those who Bag Avalon for whatever selfish reason..! They do both Avalonians, its Guests and the Forum no favors whatsoever and is increasingly becoming a major concern...

PSS - Alternative name for New Sub-Topic could be "Predictions a place for your Discernment"...

An example 'Thread' for you...

Dr Deagle Guest Says Within One Week Canary Island To Blow!

Sunday, 9 October 2011

This is not the main island, but the effect of this erruption will hit the biggest volcano on La Palma!

La Palma is facing Tenerife Mount Teide volcano.

This is what will happen.

El Heirro is going to go over the next 48hrs

La Palma is now showing signs and will go 4wks after.

Mount Teide on Tenerife will also go.

All these are volcanic Islands within miles of each other.

The problem is La Palma. The rock is unstable and will collapse into the sea causing a 'Super Mega Tsunami' which will hit lower Europe with the full force hitting the West coast of the USA.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzz0quFN0wo&feature=player_embedded

PSSS - Now some may or may not be interested in this type of 'Warning', but many are...

If I posted this in the 'General or News' Section I would be accused by some to be a 'Fearmonger', so by knowingly placing this in a New Sub-Topic named 'Predictions' both Avalonians and Guests would know what to expect..!

Thus 'Isolating' the potential 'Fearmongering' into a section where people can openly discuss such Predictions/Issues without ridicule...

[the trojan]

i suggested this a couple of weeks ago,did not hear anymore about it,
seems it is all dependant on who you are.
i am in agreement with you.

[D-Day]

Good call Jack/trojan..... what a GREAT idea!

Maybe you could create a poll to help gauge member support/interest in this proposal?

Just a thought..........

[ktlight]

jackovesk, this is a brilliant idea that should be implemented.

It would enable us to learn discernment because we can always locate where to come back to regarding predicted dates, for instance.

[crosby]

Jackovesk, excellent idea and i agree that it should be implemented immediately...... sorry the trojan, i missed your post regarding this issue... but it is time to put this into the arena. there are many predictions out there and a lot of grumbling as well....... placing them in an appropriate area along with the proper disclaimer should help get the messages out and quiet the noise a bit.
regards, corson

Update: just voted. i'm in!

[The One]

Fantastic idea Jackovesk

Let common sense prevail xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[Eric J (Viking)]

Just wanted to run this 'Idea' past you all,

Leading up to 12/21/2012 as you know there is much Speculation and 'Growing' Interest as to what may play out on/after that day, that is not going to go away...

Predictions are now becoming thick and fast amongst the alternative community...

Lately we continually hear about the increased 'Fearmongering Issues' here at Avalon, which in my view is not really an issue at all...as most of these threads contain actual on-the-ground Truth as to what is really going on within the world.

Like anything else 'Discernment' is the key as to what individual chooses to believe or not...

In light of this 'Ongoing Issue' can I suggest we open up a new (Sub Topic) named "Predictions" so people can post on what 'Predictions' are being discussed in the alternative media at an increasingly rapid rate leading up to 2012...

It would help 'ISOLATE' many of the so called predictive 'Fearmongering' type threads in one sub-topical area for those that wish to discuss such events on the proviso there is a 'Disclaimer'...


Disclaimer: "These are Predictions only, and your Discernment is paramount when viewing this Sub-Topic"

There are no right or wrong predictions in this Sub-Topic, it is merely a place of discussion for those interested...

So when people go to this Sub-Topic 'Predictions' they will know what to expect..! Its just a place to post and discuss threads on 'Predictions'.

What say you..?

Regards,

Jack

PS - Don't know about you but I am growing increasingly tired of those who Bag Avalon for whatever selfish reason..! They do both Avalonians, its Guests and the Forum no favors whatsoever and is increasingly becoming a major concern...

PSS - Alternative name for New Sub-Topic could be "Predictions a place for your Discernment"...

An example 'Thread' for you...

Dr Deagle Guest Says Within One Week Canary Island To Blow!

Sunday, 9 October 2011

This is not the main island, but the effect of this erruption will hit the biggest volcano on La Palma!

La Palma is facing Tenerife Mount Teide volcano.

This is what will happen.

El Heirro is going to go over the next 48hrs

La Palma is now showing signs and will go 4wks after.

Mount Teide on Tenerife will also go.

All these are volcanic Islands within miles of each other.

The problem is La Palma. The rock is unstable and will collapse into the sea causing a 'Super Mega Tsunami' which will hit lower Europe with the full force hitting the West coast of the USA.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzz0quFN0wo&feature=player_embedded

PSSS - Now some may or may not be interested in this type of 'Warning', but many are...

If I posted this in the 'General or News' Section I would be accused by some to be a 'Fearmonger', so by knowingly placing this in a New Sub-Topic named 'Predictions' both Avalonians and Guests would know what to expect..!

Thus 'Isolating' the potential 'Fearmongering' into a section where people can openly discuss such Predictions/Issues without ridicule...

Sounds good Jacko ... not the story behind it of course, but the suggestion...

I wonder if the ptb could target La Palmas with their technology and make this happen??? Just a thought ... it wouldn't take much if they aimed Haarp at the island to cause this...especially if the island is so volatile!!

viking

[jackovesk]

jackovesk, this is a brilliant idea that should be implemented.

It would enable us to learn discernment because we can always locate where to come back to regarding predicted dates, for instance.

Exactly ktlight,

This would definately help,


See what's been predicted - what's the timeline - did they come true or are they consistent with their accuracy, etc...

Ultimately helping us to "Weed Out the Wheat From the Chaff "..!
Here is an example of Geoff Faulkner Predictions given to Kerry Cassidy in April 2011 for your Discernment...


NDE experiencer and former Navy man Geoff Faulkner shares his Predictions with Kerry for 2011 – 2018.

Some of you will find this information pure Fear-Mongering, Shocking or just Entertainment?

Please Don’t Shoot the Messenger!

With subjectivity I submit the summation of this interview for your own discernment. Take from it what you will as I have done…Thanks

Geoff is a relatively unknown intuitive who was shown by a Divine Type Being, many World-Wide Catastrophic Events i.e. 911, and publically predicted the 6.8 Seattle Earthquake four years ago and even had USGS contact him as to how he could have predicted the event.

Several years ago the Being showed him that the Monetary System would eventually collapse and the system itself is already defunct and unsustainable and we are heading for huge and total collapse of the Monetary System because people are not working, they’re not buying anything and the Greed Game is about to end!

The whole Economic System will subsequently turn into a Survival Game, for too long it has been built on a House of Cards with no foundation.

He said, “By February 2012 you are looking at a ‘Total Economic Collapse’! ”

He said, “The Illuminati/NWO Globalists are also struggling to hold onto their own ‘Greed Based Culture’ amidst a world that is Consciously Awakening!”

“Don’t horde your $money, buy the things that you need in order to survive after February 2012 next year.”

He was told the situation in Japan (Nuclear/Earthquakes) and the Middle-East (War/Bloodshed) is far from over.

The ultimate spark will be ignited in Iran in October 2012.

He lectured several Iranian Professors and told them when the United States comes knocking on your door. Do Not Shut the Door because if you do Iran will cease to exist like it has in the past.

He said, "The last rocket that was sent up into space that supposedly had a Spy Satellite attached was false, for it really contained an Upgrade for the old Star Wars System."

…but an even ‘Bigger Threat’ is coming...

He was shown in 2012 that China was going to launch a limited Nuclear Attack out of sheer desperation for their own survival towards the USA, UK, Canada & Australia!

He was shown this would be thwarted by the Star Wars Weapon over China’s airspace, thus wiping out the majority of China’s population of 1.3 billion people.

Because of the current rebellion against the ‘Old Style Govts, he was told the only thing that could prevent this was for the Chinese people to Rise-Up against and Take-Over their Govt. before the missiles were launched.

He was shown from that very action (China’s limited Nuclear Attack on the West) that a further One-Third of the World’s population will be Gone!

And over the next 4 years another Third of the World’s population will be Gone, because of the fallout e.g. ‘Nuclear Winter’ causing mass hunger and starvation. Africa will suffer the worst and ultimately be inhabitable ‘Dead Zone’ by 2018.

By 2018 there will only be One-Third of the population left…

He was told from his Divine Celestial Source to not buy into the ‘New Age Hype’ e.g. “Let’s Harmonise the 4th Dimension into the Back-Pocket of Life and Everything will be alright”!

He was told its more about Humans working with and evolving out of the obstacles that are being thrown up against us. “We are being Tested and you had better start becoming Self-Subsistent (Start Living off the Grid) in order to survive the up-coming events.

He was told that the “Ascension” we are all now experiencing, is people are now coming out of a ‘Servitude’ mentality!

His Definition of Ascension as told to him is the "Expansion of Human Consciousness ability to Take on the Change!”

He was told Suicides will increase and was shown, devistating scenes of people wandering around the streets in total shock.

Geoff has also had ET Contact with the Paleidians…

They have told him this time next year (2012) there will be ‘Full ET/UFO Disclosure’.

The shift in Consciousness/Ascension Humanity is currently experiencing is one of Expansion and this is what the ET’s are helping us facilitate.

Geoff told of he and his wife witnessing a huge Black Triangular UFO the size of a Football Field hovering silently in the night’s sky, similar to the one from Santiago Chile as seen in the You-Tube Video below…


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI2UNq9xM8U

The reason the Santiago Chile Triangular UFO was witnessed hovering for such a long period of time over a certain area in Chile was because it was endeavouring to repair and harmonise the energy of the shifting tectonic plates in order to prevent further earthquakes. He was told the energy within the core of the earth was starting to de-stabilise due to subtle Poll-Shifts.

Geoff said, “The Earth is literally straining at the seams and there will be a further increase in seismic activity beyond what we have already experienced recently.

Basically the Earth is trying to correct itself, as it has always done throughout its existence!” He said, we are going to see huge Continental shifts and increase in Volcanic activity before 2018”.

“Govts, are already aware of this and have been making preparations”.

Geoff also had a Vision the Pacific Shelf of the Baja California Peninsular will split and there will be a 60 Ft Tsunami that will hit Vancouver within the next 18 months together with increase earthquake and volcanic activity in and around Alaska.

He said, “We need to start thinking that we too are of ET origin and are Spiritual Beings living in a body that was created on Earth. i.e. Because of this we never die, we just move onto/into a new Plain of Existence/Dimension and are inhabiting our bodies here on Earth for a learning experience.

The only ‘True Value’ you have in the world today is not monetary, it is your ability to sustain your living body with food, water and shelter in order to survive.

He also said that “China has been purposedly poisoning the West with ‘Lead’ throughout their manufacturing sector, but there strategy had failed.

The mass Bird die-offs are part natural and some are caused by birds flying in to the increasing number of cloaked UFO’s &/or interrupted by the energy field they give off.

The Fish die-offs have been caused by underwater release of toxic gases, sulphurs, etc…

Between now and the end of 2011, you are going to see a Massive Collapse of the Religious Institutions. This will be pre-empted by even Bigger Disclosures of how the world really operates and what these institutions have really been up to!

ET Intervention – “Will begin around 2018, the survivors will have a choice to stay on earth or to move Off-Planet.” He does not believe in the 2nd Earth Theory, he thinks it’s just more New Age hocus-pocus!

Please find a link to Kerry’s interview with Geoff Faulkner below…

April 6, 2011

:director: http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/archive/Project-Camelot-32k-040611.mp3

PS – You may agree with ‘Some of it’ or ‘None of it’? That is for no-one to judge.

Please feel free to discuss what Did or Did Not reasonate with you?

Take out of it what you will and ‘Don’t Shoot the Messenger’.

Thanking those of you who took the time to read this post.

Kind Regards,

Jack

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?18587-Kerry-Cassidy-discusses---Predictions---with-Geoff-Faulkner--&highlight=Predictions



PS - This would not only give us a way 'Discuss and Analyse' them in 1 place, but also give us a way of 'Tracking the Predictions' and their 'Accuracy'...And who is 'Accountable' for making them...


Apologies in advance for the excessive 'Bolding' in this post it was Cut & Pasted as is...

[RMorgan]

Agreed 100%!! It certainly should be an specific section of the forum for predictions, with a disclaim similar to what we see on the "channeling" section!!! Great idea!!!

This way, failed and unfounded predictions would have a minor impact on the forum´s reputation and credibility!!! Why don´t you make a poll out of this thread, my friend?

Cheers,

Raf.

[jackovesk]

Good call Jack/trojan..... what a GREAT idea!

Maybe you could create a poll to help gauge member support/interest in this proposal?

Just a thought..........


Agreed 100%!! It certainly should be an specific section of the forum for predictions, with a disclaim similar to what we see on the "channeling" section!!! Great idea!!!

This way, failed and unfounded predictions would have a minor impact on the forum´s reputation and credibility!!! Why don´t you make a poll out of this thread, my friend?
Cheers,

Raf.

Don't know how to do it..?

[RMorgan]

Good call Jack/trojan..... what a GREAT idea!

Maybe you could create a poll to help gauge member support/interest in this proposal?

Just a thought..........




Agreed 100%!! It certainly should be an specific section of the forum for predictions, with a disclaim similar to what we see on the "channeling" section!!! Great idea!!!

This way, failed and unfounded predictions would have a minor impact on the forum´s reputation and credibility!!! Why don´t you make a poll out of this thread, my friend?
Cheers,

Raf.

Don't know how to do it..?

Scroll up you screen. You´ll see, on the right corner of the thread, a button called "thread tools". There you´ll find the "make poll" tool.

[Orph]

I predict this won't happen. :laugh:

[Billy]

Good idea Jacko, Then we can have additional threads, Predictions that were fullfilled and those that were fearmongering nonsense .

[RMorgan]

Good idea Jacko, Then we can have additional threads, Predictions that were fullfilled and those that were fearmongering nonsense .

That´s great, so we could address which predictors are credible and which of them we should never trust again. I reinforce; This is an extremely necessary change that should be implemented on this forum, otherwise, PA´s reputation will go down the drain.

Maybe three sub-sections would be enough:

-Unfulfilled
-Stand by
-Fulfilled

[Strat]

Fantastic idea jack (can I call you that?). Maybe we will start to see consistencies if people start bringing forward legit predictions. I really like the link you gave. If you feel Dr Deagle is going too far, you can still see something is going on and this may point you in a good direction. Like you said, discernment is the key to what one believes.

One prediction that you can be sure of, my friends and I (and many other people I imagine) will drink Pabst Blue Ribbon and crank up R.E.M. on 12/21/2012.

Z0GFRcFm-aY

[Marin]

Thanks for the suggestion....we're looking into it. :)

Just a technical note on the original posting:

The problem is La Palma. The rock is unstable and will collapse into the sea causing a 'Super Mega Tsunami' which will hit lower Europe with the full force hitting the West coast of the USA.
We might want to make a change. If this were to pass, my best guess is that the East coast might be more of a concern.

[lightseeker]

I think this concept is interesting and should be pursued. Thanks Jackovesk for posting Geoff Faulkner's predictions. I have heard and read about a lot of similar if not identical predictions on other websites, including ProjectCamelotProductions. There is no doubt that the earth herself is undergoing massive changes and is reflected in earthquakes/volcanic erruptions/plate movements and movements of the poles of the earth. Some damage has been done to many parts of the world and many thousands have perished. There are some who believe that these natural occuring earth changes may have been enhanced by technology, i.e. HARRP etc. and the use of nuclear devices placed deep in the ocean near Japan. Truly there is so much happening on our beautiful globe at this time, one could easily get caught up in the fear/terror of it all. Personally I do believe that a lot of these events are natural coupled with opportunities by the TPTW taking advantage with their techno mass distruction technology. I certainly don't have all the answers, in fact I am not sure I have any answers, just more questions.

In my study of the LAW of ONE, (following the guide book on this channeled information on David Wilcock's website), I recall a section wherein RA was answering a question regarding how humanity/people in general to do to live a healthier and longer life.
I paraphrase RA's response which I found very interesting. Which was we are not meant to live a long time at this time in our history. It is the time of the harvest of humanity. Again I am only paraphrasing. I would have to go back and check my facts again, but this comment really stuck out in my mind and still does. So If we are discussing prophecies of one kind or another, perhaps we may wish to include some predictions made by RA in the LAW OF ONE series. As I understand this is suppose to be some of the best and most credible information to be channeled. i am not a big supporter of channeled info. as I have learned that people who channel could easily be provided information from negative service to self entities. However, there apparently is a great deal of credibility placed on the LOO information. Personally I know as we all do, that at some point we are all going to die and leave our bodies at some point. Many still hold onto the fear of death and possibly this is what keeps them in the game of denial and that we can prevent what is going to happen. I am neutural on this matter. I focus within and use my own guidance from my heart centre. It has always guided me in the right direction, even when I didn't agree with the guidance. It took me awhile to trust my intuition and the spiritual side of my nature. Now it is the only guidance I listen too. I will always try to do my best to follow the guidance I receive but I certainly will not waste my time over when or where I am going to die. I KNOW THAT I AM AN IMMORTAL SPIRITUAL BEING AND CANNOT DIE!!! That information was made clear to me on a very deep spiritual level. So I will live my life as best I can and enjoy every second of it. Whether these predictions come true or not I really don't care! People is it is just a game, enjoy it , do the best you can .
,

[Lifebringer]

Lot of big crooks and families going to jail for crimes against humanity to steal their land and property. During the Bush Wall Street Cheney Gang days, personal property assessments intended to effect ONLY those on the pipeling plan were doubled to kick people out when they sought to use their 'equity."
Now the emminent domain scam has given them resourced land they wanted since the 70's when the EPA was put in place to protect land, water, humans and animals.

They want us to beg for air or water that they own or is on the shelves.

Let's not accommodate them and jail them, throw away the key, and disbar the lawyers who put it in legislature under the people's noses.

I see them all rotting in jail and smiles on the people who prosecuted them as they watch their children in the parks playing.

I see this country finally arresting those responsible for the four recessions through Gingrich, Perry, Bush I and II, along with a sad looking shriveled up Cheney behind bars.
He's plotting our Presidents demise and the evil lizard must meet with one of God's celestials to be dealt with.

Evil devil incarnate.
Richard Cheney is the "evil monkey in the closet."

[Chrononaut]

Many thanks Jackovesk that's a bright idea, what are you're take on this one:

AL BIELEK & HIS TIME TRAVEL TO YEAR 2749



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5hl7RtrXQc&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8glYuvq_re4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISkPlsDp8PA&feature=related

[vibrations]

For me, there were three major catastrophic scenarious I had enormous fear of:

1. Reading Jacko's red and blue text
2. Earth suddenly explode
3. Reading the 100% proof about this and that what will happen absolutely for sure and it is not even researched where from things are coming and so on

But after Jacko's idea to put all this weak truth under Predictions thread, He suddenly gained the confidence and now dear Jackovesk, you are in the second position of my horrors.

And now for real, very good idea and we should ask Mod's to put any message of that kind inside this thread.

[RMorgan]

For me, there were three major catastrophic scenarious I had enormous fear of:

1. Reading Jacko's red and blue text
2. Earth suddenly explode
3. Reading the 100% proof about this and that what will happen absolutely for sure and it is not even researched where from things are coming and so on

But after Jacko's idea to put all this weak truth under Predictions thread, He suddenly gained the confidence and now dear Jackovesk, you are in the second position of my horrors.

And now for real, very good idea and we should ask Mod's to put any message of that kind inside this thread.

The idea is not to merge all prediction threads with this thread. The idea is to create a specific section on the forum to put them.

[vibrations]

For me, there were three major catastrophic scenarious I had enormous fear of:

1. Reading Jacko's red and blue text
2. Earth suddenly explode
3. Reading the 100% proof about this and that what will happen absolutely for sure and it is not even researched where from things are coming and so on

But after Jacko's idea to put all this weak truth under Predictions thread, He suddenly gained the confidence and now dear Jackovesk, you are in the second position of my horrors.

And now for real, very good idea and we should ask Mod's to put any message of that kind inside this thread.

The idea is not to merge all prediction threads with this thread. The idea is to create a specific section on the forum to put them.

Ok, but they will still appear in a daily posts with ah, oh, catastrophic titles and so on, so my silent hope was to put some Mega Ultra Huge Thread and feed it with this kind of things, so to have them there bat without bothering to much. And if you want to see for example what is what won't happen, you go there and look at it. Simple. what do you think.

[RMorgan]

For me, there were three major catastrophic scenarious I had enormous fear of:

1. Reading Jacko's red and blue text
2. Earth suddenly explode
3. Reading the 100% proof about this and that what will happen absolutely for sure and it is not even researched where from things are coming and so on

But after Jacko's idea to put all this weak truth under Predictions thread, He suddenly gained the confidence and now dear Jackovesk, you are in the second position of my horrors.

And now for real, very good idea and we should ask Mod's to put any message of that kind inside this thread.

The idea is not to merge all prediction threads with this thread. The idea is to create a specific section on the forum to put them.

Ok, but they will still appear in a daily posts with ah, oh, catastrophic titles and so on, so my silent hope was to put some Mega Ultra Huge Thread and feed it with this kind of things, so to have them there bat without bothering to much. And if you want to see for example what is what won't happen, you go there and look at it. Simple. what do you think.

Well, the nice thing about creating a specific section for it is to have a disclaimer note, just like the channeling section:


"Project Avalon and Bill Ryan do not endorse the information presented in this section
and accepts no responsibility for psychological, spiritual or metaphysical effects
either negative or positive to individuals who read these threads.
User discretion is advised.
We ask that following any post of these messages that a link to the source
be provided so that readers may follow up on the authenticity of the message and/or messenger"

So, this predictions will have a minor effect on PA reputation and credibility, specially with the large number of guests we have here.

Maybe this section should even be hidden from guests, that come here for legit alternative knowledge, not doom and gloom misinformation.

The other advantage is that we could make separate sub-sections for unfulfilled, on hold/stand by predictions, and fulfilled, so, after some time, we will have a great database, so we could accurately track which predictors are deliberately spreading unfounded disinformation.

[ponda]

Many thanks Jackovesk that's a bright idea, what are you're take on this one:

AL BIELEK & HIS TIME TRAVEL TO YEAR 2749



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5hl7RtrXQc&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8glYuvq_re4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISkPlsDp8PA&feature=related


Thanks for posting these vids Chrononaut

I just watched the first one and found it absolutely fascinating

cheers

[RMorgan]

Hey guys, please, with all due respect, let´s not hijack this thread. Our friend Jackovesk is addressing a very important issue, that is essential to keep the good reputation and credibility of this amazing forum.

[truth4me]

I'm on board with everyone else......great idea.:thumb:

[passiglight]

i follow currently with the prediction of mother earth starting her birth pains in the next few hours,,,,,,,

big up yorself mama earth

[Maia Gabrial]

Sounds good Jacko ... not the story behind it of course, but the suggestion...

I wonder if the ptb could target La Palmas with their technology and make this happen??? Just a thought ... it wouldn't take much if they aimed Haarp at the island to cause this...especially if the island is so volatile!!

viking

I was thinking the same thing, Viking. Maybe it's another HAARP attack. Or Black Ops planting charges in significant underwater locations near the Canary Islands. Look what they did to Japan.....

Notice that it was on the History Channel. And alot of people would trust this station to tell them the truth....They have the means to reach alot of uninformed viewers to cause worry and fear.

I'm thinking that the Canary Islands would be a very strategic location for massive damage to many other countries than just the US....What about Africa and South America, the UK and Canada? Don't tsunamis spread out? The waves may even go as high as Iceland and Greenland....We'll have to wait and see....

On the other hand, the most logical reason for all of these earthquakes and volcanic eruptions may be Mother Earth herself, actually in the throes of the birthing process. It's been predicted for a long time. This might be it, folks....! The waiting is over....

Let's not give TPTW any credit for anything. TPTW are not powers. And they're NOT as powerful as the fearmongerers have built them up to be.... They're nothing more than a huge shadow on a wall. But in actuality, they're quite small.... Without us, they're nothing....
Courage, my friends....

[RMorgan]

Again, please, do not hijack this thread, let´s stay on topic. :focus: :)

[nearing]

Nothing should be hidden from guests. The disclaimer is enough.

[RMorgan]

:bump: for this important thread.

[mosquito]

Excellent idea !!!!!

[jackovesk]

For me, there were three major catastrophic scenarious I had enormous fear of:

1. Reading Jacko's red and blue text
2. Earth suddenly explode
3. Reading the 100% proof about this and that what will happen absolutely for sure and it is not even researched where from things are coming and so on

But after Jacko's idea to put all this weak truth under Predictions thread, He suddenly gained the confidence and now dear Jackovesk, you are in the second position of my horrors.

And now for real, very good idea and we should ask Mod's to put any message of that kind inside this thread.

The idea is not to merge all prediction threads with this thread. The idea is to create a specific section on the forum to put them.

Ok, but they will still appear in a daily posts with ah, oh, catastrophic titles and so on, so my silent hope was to put some Mega Ultra Huge Thread and feed it with this kind of things, so to have them there bat without bothering to much. And if you want to see for example what is what won't happen, you go there and look at it. Simple. what do you think.

Well, the nice thing about creating a specific section for it is to have a disclaimer note, just like the channeling section:


"Project Avalon and Bill Ryan do not endorse the information presented in this section
and accepts no responsibility for psychological, spiritual or metaphysical effects
either negative or positive to individuals who read these threads.
User discretion is advised.
We ask that following any post of these messages that a link to the source
be provided so that readers may follow up on the authenticity of the message and/or messenger"

So, this predictions will have a minor effect on PA reputation and credibility, specially with the large number of guests we have here.

Maybe this section should even be hidden from guests, that come here for legit alternative knowledge, not doom and gloom misinformation.

The other advantage is that we could make separate sub-sections for unfulfilled, on hold/stand by predictions, and fulfilled, so, after some time, we will have a great database, so we could accurately track which predictors are deliberately spreading unfounded disinformation.


Nothing should be hidden from guests. The disclaimer is enough.

Thanks for your support and input RMorgan it is greatly appreciated,




Re: "Maybe this section should even be hidden from guests"..?

I agree with nearing "Nothing should be hidden from guests." The disclaimer is enough.
Transparency & Discernment is the 'Key', I remember going back some 20 years, my interest in the 'Nostradamus Prophecies' was the 'Catalyst' for beginning my journey and my quest to seek out the Truth...Then 'UFO/s', now everything...

I'm sure our numerous 'Guests' would agree that having a specific Sub-Topic 'Predictions' with a 'Disclaimer' would be beneficial and a great place to hone our 'Discernment' skills...

Thanks to 'Everyone' who has contributed to this 'Thread' and supported our 'Request' so far...

[The Truth Is In There]

Sounds good Jacko ... not the story behind it of course, but the suggestion...

I wonder if the ptb could target La Palmas with their technology and make this happen??? Just a thought ... it wouldn't take much if they aimed Haarp at the island to cause this...especially if the island is so volatile!!

viking

I was thinking the same thing, Viking. Maybe it's another HAARP attack. Or Black Ops planting charges in significant underwater locations near the Canary Islands. Look what they did to Japan.....

Notice that it was on the History Channel. And alot of people would trust this station to tell them the truth....They have the means to reach alot of uninformed viewers to cause worry and fear.

I'm thinking that the Canary Islands would be a very strategic location for massive damage to many other countries than just the US....What about Africa and South America, the UK and Canada? Don't tsunamis spread out? The waves may even go as high as Iceland and Greenland....We'll have to wait and see....

On the other hand, the most logical reason for all of these earthquakes and volcanic eruptions may be Mother Earth herself, actually in the throes of the birthing process. It's been predicted for a long time. This might be it, folks....! The waiting is over....

Let's not give TPTW any credit for anything. TPTW are not powers. And they're NOT as powerful as the fearmongerers have built them up to be.... They're nothing more than a huge shadow on a wall. But in actuality, they're quite small.... Without us, they're nothing....
Courage, my friends....

i think the main reason for the increased earthquakes and volcanic activity is the energy earth is getting from the sun. new matter is created inside of earth out of that energy and so she expands. forget tptb, they're just an insignificant part of the drama.

as for predictions,another one just failed - ET_MAN's doomsday prediction for oct 11th. the doom is never what we expect it to be and yet it will be "doom" that sets us free.

[conk]

Perhaps there is a persistent, peculiar prediliction and proclivity for post-worthy portentous predictions. Probably with prevarication and pretense.

[Kristo]

Love the idea of Predictions topic!

[jackovesk]

Good call Jack/trojan..... what a GREAT idea!

Maybe you could create a poll to help gauge member support/interest in this proposal?

Just a thought..........


Agreed 100%!! It certainly should be an specific section of the forum for predictions, with a disclaim similar to what we see on the "channeling" section!!! Great idea!!!

This way, failed and unfounded predictions would have a minor impact on the forum´s reputation and credibility!!! Why don´t you make a poll out of this thread, my friend?
Cheers,

Raf.

Don't know how to do it..?

...Update...

Just worked out how to do it...Sorry it took so long

The Poll has been added...


"Would you like to see a 'New Sub Topic' named 'Predictions' a place of Discernment?"
Thanks to the following 40 members for your 'Thanks & Support' so far for our 'Predictions' Sub-Topic Proposal - Please Vote and show your support again in the the Poll...

10476

Regards,

Jack

[Billy]

Thank you for the message Jacko. You have my vote

[RMorgan]

Great!! You´ve got my vote!!

[ThePythonicCow]

I should have replied on this suggestion earlier ... my apologies.

When Jackovesk first brought this proposal to my attention, a few days ago, I had mixed thoughts on the matter. But then I got lazy, and rather than express my concerns coherently, I just put the matter aside.

Then today, in the admin/mod backroom, some of us were discussing much this same topic, concerned (sometimes frustrated) with the many predictions that seem so specific, but then pass unnoticed when they fail to happen on schedule. Such continual chatter provides an excellent cover for any real predictions that might leak out ... the signal to noise ratio of "predictions" is so low that a legitimate prediction would be safely ignored by most. I am sure that The Bastards in Power (TBiP) are quite happy with this confused state of affairs.

My basic concern is this: unless there is a fairly clearly identifiable and substantial collection of such threads already, and unless there is a rather non-controversial way to identify future such threads as they arise, then attempting to place such threads in a dedicated sub-forum is more work for the mod team than it's worth.

We can not expect, nor should we demand, that every member starting a new thread is an expert in picking exactly the right sub-forum. We each do the reasonable best we can, with the limited energy, experience and awareness available to us ... and that's usually plenty good enough.

But, as a result of this, what works on an individual level for those of us (such as myself) who like to organize and categorize is usually more elaborate than what works for the forum on a group level.

As a forum admin, I very rarely recommend creating new sub-forums, unless I expect that it's so obvious what should go there that the proper selection of that sub-forum will be "self-moderating" almost all the time, obvious to most members starting new threads, without much effort or awareness of the history of the forum.

Usually, this means, for one thing, that I don't recommend creating a new sub-forum unless there is a readily identifiable collection of existing threads that I can almost mechanically identify and sweep up into the new sub-forum, as their natural new home ("priming the pump", I call it.)

If the identification of "Prediction" threads is not obvious enough that most members will "get it right" when starting a new thread, then identifying such threads would usually fall to the admin/mod team. Each such case, each time a thread seems that it contains a prediction, so perhaps should be moved into that sub-forum, can easily cost the admin/mod team a half hour or hour of collective effort, as we discuss it, and then do our best to respect the feelings of the various members affected by our decisions. It is quite simply well beyond the capacity of the admin/mod team to be doing much of that.

In the particular case of a "Prediction" sub-forum, I would expect that most threads containing predictions also fit naturally in one or more other sub-forums, depending on their topic, and that many threads containing predictions will not have that prediction as a primary focus, but rather as one element of a larger discussion. In many cases even, the prediction will not be in the opening post of a new thread, but in some reply post later in the thread. I do not know, and I would not expect members to know, whether such threads belong in the Prediction sub-forum or not.

So, while I agree that the volume of what turn out to be false predictions is a problem ... I do not feel (yet anyway) that a "Predictions" sub-forum is a solution to this problem.

I and the other mods/admins are willing to be persuaded otherwise, and we are interested in discussing ways, this and other, to better address this on the forum.

[RMorgan]

Hey Paul,

The predictions themselves are not a problem. The problem is that many users are feeling frustrated by these predictions and less enthusiastic about PA.

Also, if we follow the rules that the first impression is the one who stays, we can perceive that many guests that come here looking for answers, guests that could become valuable members of this forum, just leave, because there are so many crazy predictions threads here lately, that one can thing that PA is all about doom and gloom.

These threads really affect PA´s reputation and credibility. I´m 100% sure about it.

If the problem is just the number of moderators, why not create more moderators, with restricted privileges?

Anyway, it´s up to you to decide that.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Billy]

I agree with RMorgan, the issue is not about the predictions themselves but the reaction of some members of the forum. That the forum is creating to many fear based negative doom and gloom threads mostly because of the scale of predictions that are thrown out these days, personally i enjoy the drama, I find them entertaining and take them all with a grain of salt but many take them to heart and create unnecessary fear within themselves or they become angry at all the prophetic nonsense.

EDIT:
An example here. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32182-Project-Avalon-Fearum

[jackovesk]

I should have replied on this suggestion earlier ... my apologies.

When Jackovesk first brought this proposal to my attention, a few days ago, I had mixed thoughts on the matter. But then I got lazy, and rather than express my concerns coherently, I just put the matter aside.

Then today, in the admin/mod backroom, some of us were discussing much this same topic, concerned (sometimes frustrated) with the many predictions that seem so specific, but then pass unnoticed when they fail to happen on schedule. Such continual chatter provides an excellent cover for any real predictions that might leak out ... the signal to noise ratio of "predictions" is so low that a legitimate prediction would be safely ignored by most. I am sure that The Bastards in Power (TBiP) are quite happy with this confused state of affairs.

My basic concern is this: unless there is a fairly clearly identifiable and substantial collection of such threads already, and unless there is a rather non-controversial way to identify future such threads as they arise, then attempting to place such threads in a dedicated sub-forum is more work for the mod team than it's worth.

We can not expect, nor should we demand, that every member starting a new thread is an expert in picking exactly the right sub-forum. We each do the reasonable best we can, with the limited energy, experience and awareness available to us ... and that's usually plenty good enough.

But, as a result of this, what works on an individual level for those of us (such as myself) who like to organize and categorize is usually more elaborate than what works for the forum on a group level.

As a forum admin, I very rarely recommend creating new sub-forums, unless I expect that it's so obvious what should go there that the proper selection of that sub-forum will be "self-moderating" almost all the time, obvious to most members starting new threads, without much effort or awareness of the history of the forum.

Usually, this means, for one thing, that I don't recommend creating a new sub-forum unless there is a readily identifiable collection of existing threads that I can almost mechanically identify and sweep up into the new sub-forum, as their natural new home ("priming the pump", I call it.)

If the identification of "Prediction" threads is not obvious enough that most members will "get it right" when starting a new thread, then identifying such threads would usually fall to the admin/mod team. Each such case, each time a thread seems that it contains a prediction, so perhaps should be moved into that sub-forum, can easily cost the admin/mod team a half hour or hour of collective effort, as we discuss it, and then do our best to respect the feelings of the various members affected by our decisions. It is quite simply well beyond the capacity of the admin/mod team to be doing much of that.

In the particular case of a "Prediction" sub-forum, I would expect that most threads containing predictions also fit naturally in one or more other sub-forums, depending on their topic, and that many threads containing predictions will not have that prediction as a primary focus, but rather as one element of a larger discussion. In many cases even, the prediction will not be in the opening post of a new thread, but in some reply post later in the thread. I do not know, and I would not expect members to know, whether such threads belong in the Prediction sub-forum or not.

So, while I agree that the volume of what turn out to be false predictions is a problem ... I do not feel (yet anyway) that a "Predictions" sub-forum is a solution to this problem.

I and the other mods/admins are willing to be persuaded otherwise, and we are interested in discussing ways, this and other, to better address this on the forum.

Thanks for your Response Paul,

Lets overview some Statistics 1st:




1. Predictions 'Thread' started on the 10th October 2011 05:48

2. Thread has received: 41 Replies and had: 1,834 Views

3. 46 Members have pressed the 'Thankyou' Button in support of the proposal

4. Poll to date: 34 Members have 'Voted' 33 (Yes - 97.06%) as against 1 (No - 2.94%)

Benefits (Simplified)


1. One place on the Forum to post 'Predictions Threads' to Discuss, Discern & Evaluate


We can not expect, nor should we demand, that every member starting a new thread is an expert in picking exactly the right sub-forum. We each do the reasonable best we can, with the limited energy, experience and awareness available to us ... and that's usually plenty good enough.

But, as a result of this, what works on an individual level for those of us (such as myself) who like to organize and categorize is usually more elaborate than what works for the forum on a group level.

As a forum admin, I very rarely recommend creating new sub-forums, unless I expect that it's so obvious what should go there that the proper selection of that sub-forum will be "self-moderating" almost all the time, obvious to most members starting new threads, without much effort or awareness of the history of the forum.


Summary:

Paul, I am not sure about 'What all the Fuss is about'..?

We are just after 1 Place to post 'Prediction - Threads' (Self Explantory)

Mods won't have to be caught up in working out which are 'Prediction Threads' & which are not!

We just want 1 place called 'Predictions' where we can post 'Prediction - Threads'

Suggestion as to where to put the Sub-Topic

10493

Taking in the Positive Support this proposal has received in a Democratic process, I really don't think it is too much to ask..!

I would hate to think the 'Members' have no voice in this matter in such an 'Open & Supportive Forum'...Especially after the positive and supportive reply posts on this subject matter...

Thanks for your re-consideration of our proposal...

Regards,

Jack

PS - I Urge other members to add to this summary and Thank You ALL for your Support.

[RMorgan]

"I would hate to think the 'Members' have no voice in this matter in such an 'Open & Supportive Forum'...Especially after the positive and supportive reply posts on this subject matter..."

(2)

[fox.mulder]

I was banned by Paul for a week because I was trying to bring some reality to the fear mongering. I was trying to explain that in order to get truth you need to be open to all possibilites. Even to the level that people you think you trust may actually have an agenda that is different from what you think it is. There was alot of anger toward me and the whole thing was twisted around as though i was slandering people. (just like it happens in the media).

Good luck Jacovest with the pursuit of truth. You will have my vote.

[ThePythonicCow]

I was ...
no .

[jackovesk]

Another 'Example' for 'Discernment'...

Mayan Calendar “Ends” October 28th, 2011 – Carl Calleman

The “End” of the Mayan calendar, Solar Flares and Earth Changes Today, Tuesday October 11th, 2011, we will be entering the 7th Day of the 9th Level of consciousness according to the Mayan calendar. An outstanding video from Carl Calleman explaining the Mayan calendar and it's very relation to our present day 'financial world' affairs is included at the bottom of the story.


"What we are witnessing is thus not another recession, but the end of the world capitalist system and the protests in the US against “Wall Street” may be an indication as good as any of this."
by Carl J. Calleman
We have now celebrated the Cosmic Convergence and there is less than one night and one day before the fulfillment of the evolutionary plan for all of creation (or at least the attainment of the top level).

As predicted the Ninth wave of this plan, which is coming to a close together with the other waves of the Mayan calendar on October 28, 2011, has brought a tremendous energetic frequency increase to the world. This has been experienced on a personal level by many, but it has also been easily visible in the spread of political and economical chaos in large parts of the world.

The current instability is evident not only in what is actually happening, but also in the constant shifts in how events or developments are perceived and reported.

"Greece, for instance, is one day said to be bankrupt, another fully afloat with the help of the troika, and the next day it is again said to be bankrupt. One day the Ghaddafi regime has fallen and another it is again fighting only to have fallen the next day again.

In this world of uncertain interpretation of news alternative media on the Internet have gone in to try to fill the gap sometimes speaking with total certainty about impending catastrophes.

There, one day the comet Elenin is said to create earthquakes and to set an end to the world, the next it does not exist and then it is back again (or was it planet X?)."

No occurrence has yet been powerful enough to precipitate the collapse that many are expecting or fearing and it now seems that this will not happen until in the seventh day of the Ninth wave, October 11-28. If so, the end of the calendar may become a very marked discontinuity.

Since the high frequency change in the Ninth wave is operating at several levels of the universe simultaneously, such as cosmic, galactic, solar, planetary and human, we would expect to see it manifested at all of these.

Read much more of this story @ www.kashonia.com/summary/mayan-calendar-scenarios


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrPkF0pphr4&feature=player_embedded

PS - Now, How are we meant to use 'Discernment' & 'Accountability' with such a 'Prediction' without having 1 single place to do it..?

[Meesh]

If the identification of "Prediction" threads is not obvious enough that most members will "get it right" when starting a new thread, then identifying such threads would usually fall to the admin/mod team. Each such case, each time a thread seems that it contains a prediction, so perhaps should be moved into that sub-forum, can easily cost the admin/mod team a half hour or hour of collective effort, as we discuss it, and then do our best to respect the feelings of the various members affected by our decisions. It is quite simply well beyond the capacity of the admin/mod team to be doing much of that.

In the particular case of a "Prediction" sub-forum, I would expect that most threads containing predictions also fit naturally in one or more other sub-forums, depending on their topic, and that many threads containing predictions will not have that prediction as a primary focus, but rather as one element of a larger discussion. In many cases even, the prediction will not be in the opening post of a new thread, but in some reply post later in the thread. I do not know, and I would not expect members to know, whether such threads belong in the Prediction sub-forum or not.

.

I've noticed that forum members do alert the moderators to threads that are not in the correct sub-forum, etc. Perhaps members would be willing to "flag" predictions that are not in the correct place ,so that they could be moved? This would make the process less time consuming.

[ThePythonicCow]

I would hate to think the 'Members' have no voice in this matter in such an 'Open & Supportive Forum'...Especially after the positive and supportive reply posts on this subject matter...

That's a false dichotomy, Jackovesk. We, the admins and mods, value your input, and seek your discussion, insights and suggestions, on various aspects of the concerns that prompted your suggestion. Please don't dismiss our thoughts as "all that fuss". Please don't feel ignored if your exact proposal is not accepted entirely and immediately, as originally stated.


Lets overview some Statistics 1st:
I sense that you might be feeling that "We must not have noticed the poll results, for otherwise we would have already created the suggested sub-forum".

There is a third alternative ... we can see the poll results, we appreciate the substantial energy towards making this an even better forum, but we are still pondering the larger issues and what might be the most useful responses, and we invite continued discussion and input (more than just amp'ing up the lobbying for a particular proposal.)

¤=[Post Update]=¤



I've noticed that forum members do alert the moderators to threads that are not in the correct sub-forum, etc. Perhaps members would be willing to "flag" predictions that are not in the correct place ,so that they could be moved? This would make the process less time consuming.

Yes, members often are the first (and sometimes the only) to notice an opportunity to merge or move or fix some thread or post. Thanks :)!

This doesn't so much reduce the time spent by mods ... as it does make their time spent more effectively, on the things that members are noticing.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

I'd like to add my thoughts on this.

Creating polls like this one, is a useful tool to suggest changes and gauge interest on such changes, but it is not a decision making tool. The final call still rests with the moderation team. This is so due to many reasons: effort involved, impact on the forum, technical issues to be considered, the structure of the forum that we want to keep and so on. The forum members do have a voice, but not every suggestion will be implemented.

That being said, I had a look at this thread and the poll and here are my findings.

Out of 2000+ active forum members only 50 chose to cast a vote. That is only 2%, and it goes to show just how much interest there really is about this issue.

Along with that, I'd have to support Paul in his previous posts as to why I don't think this new sub-forum will help in any way the "predictions" situations. However we are still discussing this and thinking of ways of improvement.

PS: Also Jackovesk, please use the colors with more moderation. Your posts are very difficult for me to read, and I get the impression that you do want them to be read.

[Jay]

:thank_you2: maybe you can add a "BS" smilie for those discerning who want to respond to the dubious predictions (maybe there is one already?)

[ThePythonicCow]

:thank_you2: maybe you can add a "BS" smilie for those discerning who want to respond to the dubious predictions (maybe there is one already?)WIll this do: :bs: ?

(Yup - that one was already there.)

[Ilie Pandia]

Yes, we have a smilie for that, but "this is BS" is hardly a respectful way to address concerns with a post. Please keep that in mind :).

Oh, and this is not about political correctness, is about being able to communicate in a respectful and constructive manner, even if what we read is (or appears to be) total non-sense (aka BS). A thread full of such smilies will not help anyone.

[Jay]

Yes, we have a smilie ... even if what we read is (or appears to be) total non-sense (aka BS). A thread full of such smilies will not help anyone.
Quite true. Discernment these days is complex enough & I stand corrected. An information based reply would certainly be more helpful than a flag.

[jackovesk]

I would hate to think the 'Members' have no voice in this matter in such an 'Open & Supportive Forum'...Especially after the positive and supportive reply posts on this subject matter...

That's a false dichotomy, Jackovesk. We, the admins and mods, value your input, and seek your discussion, insights and suggestions, on various aspects of the concerns that prompted your suggestion. Please don't dismiss our thoughts as "all that fuss". Please don't feel ignored if your exact proposal is not accepted entirely and immediately, as originally stated.


Lets overview some Statistics 1st:
I sense that you might be feeling that "We must not have noticed the poll results, for otherwise we would have already created the suggested sub-forum".

There is a third alternative ... we can see the poll results, we appreciate the substantial energy towards making this an even better forum, but we are still pondering the larger issues and what might be the most useful responses, and we invite continued discussion and input (more than just amp'ing up the lobbying for a particular proposal.)

¤=[Post Update]=¤



I've noticed that forum members do alert the moderators to threads that are not in the correct sub-forum, etc. Perhaps members would be willing to "flag" predictions that are not in the correct place ,so that they could be moved? This would make the process less time consuming.

Yes, members often are the first (and sometimes the only) to notice an opportunity to merge or move or fix some thread or post. Thanks :)!

This doesn't so much reduce the time spent by mods ... as it does make their time spent more effectively, on the things that members are noticing.


Hello,

I'd like to add my thoughts on this.

Creating polls like this one, is a useful tool to suggest changes and gauge interest on such changes, but it is not a decision making tool. The final call still rests with the moderation team. This is so due to many reasons: effort involved, impact on the forum, technical issues to be considered, the structure of the forum that we want to keep and so on. The forum members do have a voice, but not every suggestion will be implemented.

That being said, I had a look at this thread and the poll and here are my findings.

Out of 2000+ active forum members only 50 chose to cast a vote. That is only 2%, and it goes to show just how much interest there really is about this issue.

Along with that, I'd have to support Paul in his previous posts as to why I don't think this new sub-forum will help in any way the "predictions" situations. However we are still discussing this and thinking of ways of improvement.

PS: Also Jackovesk, please use the colors with more moderation. Your posts are very difficult for me to read, and I get the impression that you do want them to be read.

I have done all I can,

You guys know what's best...

So the Decision is yours to make...

Regards,

Jack

[scanner]

I predict a decision

[beyondmyctrl]

I would like to have a sub topic called PREDICTIONS because then I'd be totally able to avoid it :) that being said, I predict that someone on this forum will predict something in the next 24 hours .....

[ThePythonicCow]

I predict a decision

Excellent - so now that this thread has a prediction - can I move it to the Prediction sub-forum (if we create one) ?

(Actually, that's a semi-serious question. Does the presence of a prediction on a thread mean it should be moved to the Prediction sub-forum, if such existed? Should predictions of disclosure be in the Ufology -> Disclosure sub-forum, or in the Prediction sub-forum? Ditto ... for a dozen other existing sub-forums on various topics.)

[RMorgan]

I predict a decision

Excellent - so now that this thread has a prediction - can I move it to the Prediction sub-forum (if we create one) ?

(Actually, that's a semi-serious question. Does the presence of a prediction on a thread mean it should be moved to the Prediction sub-forum, if such existed? Should predictions of disclosure be in the Ufology -> Disclosure sub-forum, or in the Prediction sub-forum? Ditto ... for a dozen other existing sub-forums on various topics.)

Hey Paul! :)

I don´t think so. We should take the main subject of the thread to judge where it belongs.

If someone posts a channeled information on a Ufology post, we don´t need to move the post to the channeling section, right? I guess the rule is the same here.

The prediction sub-forum is supposed to fit every prediction theory/thread that involves a specific date/time. If there´s no specific date, it can´t be called prediction, it´s an assumption or deduction.

Ex:

-A giant comet will hit Earth on 12/12/12, at 12:12. - This is a prediction.
-Disclosure will happen on 11/11/11 - This is a prediction.

-A giant comet will hit Earth someday - This is an assumption or deduction.
-Disclosure will happen somewhere in the future - This is an assumption or deduction.

[scanner]

I can't believe this has not been posted

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_kdg49YaI4Q

[scanner]

Don't you just love being alive right now , Wake up ppl

[fox.mulder]

That being said, I had a look at this thread and the poll and here are my findings.

Out of 2000+ active forum members only 50 chose to cast a vote. That is only 2%, and it goes to show just how much interest there really is about this issue.



Ilie can you let us know how many of the "2000+" members that you use to justify refusing to create a predictions thread actually have logged in and read Jackovests thread in the last few days?

[Ilie Pandia]

That being said, I had a look at this thread and the poll and here are my findings.

Out of 2000+ active forum members only 50 chose to cast a vote. That is only 2%, and it goes to show just how much interest there really is about this issue.



Ilie can you let us know how many of the "2000+" members that you use to justify refusing to create a predictions thread actually have logged in and read Jackovests thread in the last few days?

Ah thanks fox.mulder for pointing that out! My words were slightly inexact.

So indeed, out of 2000+ active members, only 286 found this thread interesting enough to actually read it, and out of those that read it, only 50 have voted.

But anyway, as I've said, such stats are not the deciding factor.

[fox.mulder]

That being said, I had a look at this thread and the poll and here are my findings.

Out of 2000+ active forum members only 50 chose to cast a vote. That is only 2%, and it goes to show just how much interest there really is about this issue.



Ilie can you let us know how many of the "2000+" members that you use to justify refusing to create a predictions thread actually have logged in and read Jackovests thread in the last few days?

Ah thanks fox.mulder for pointing that out! My words were slightly inexact.

So indeed, out of 2000+ active members, only 286 found this thread interesting enough to actually read it, and out of those that read it, only 50 have voted.

But anyway, as I've said, such stats are not the deciding factor.

But out of the 2000+ members how many different members actually logged into PA since Jackovests thread?

[seko]

Avalon has many threads with predictions already. What Jackovesk is doing is good, but not useful to the majority cause predictions usually are not true and people can spread disinfo.
We have too much of that already.

Thanks Jacko

[Carolin]

My own inner predictor is what drew me to Bill and Kerry's Project Camelot in the first place. Many of the people they interviewed made predictions. Bill himself has recently passed on a prediction concerning California. Now all of a sudden prediction is a dirty word????? Oh, and Bill just shared his experience with psychic Carol Clarke and what do psychics do..............they predict things!!!

Seriously people lighten up!! These are uncertain times we live in and talking to others who are supposedly "awake and aware" of possible outcomes can help keep us informed and that is how some of us deal with the uncertainty. Maybe you can pretend that there is nothing going on if you try stifle us "doom and gloomers"! I want to be free to discuss reasonable, common sense theories with other like minded people without being labeled or accused of spreading "fear porn".

The whole Elenin thing empowered me. It kicked my butt into preparing for uncertainty which in my opinion is the only certainty in life. I vote for free speech!

[another bob]

It kicked my butt into preparing for uncertainty which in my opinion is the only certainty in life. I vote for free speech!




"Human beings have a drive for security and safety, which is often what fuels the spiritual search. This very drive for security and safety is what causes so much misery and confusion. Freedom is a state of complete and absolute insecurity and not knowing. So, in seeking security and safety, you actually distance yourself from the freedom you want. There is no security in freedom, at least not in the sense that we normally think of security. This is, of course, why it is so free: there's nothing there to grab hold of.

The Unknown is more vast, more open, more peaceful, and more freeing than you ever imagined it would be. If you don't experience it that way, it means you're not resting there; you're still trying to know. That will cause you to suffer because you're choosing security over Freedom. When you rest deeply in the Unknown without trying to escape, your experience becomes very vast. As the experience of the Unknown deepens, your boundaries begin to dissolve. You realize, not just intellectually but on a deep level, that you have no idea who or what you are. A few minutes ago, you knew who you were—you had a history and a personality—but from this place of not knowing, you question all of that.

Liberated people live in the Unknown and understand that the only reason they know what they are is because they rest in the Unknown moment by moment without defining who they are with the mind. You can imagine how easy it is to get caught in the concept of the Unknown and seek that instead of the Truth. If you seek the concept, you'll never be free, but if you stop looking to myths and concepts and become more interested in the Unknown than in what you know, the door will be flung open. Until then, it will remain closed."

~Adyashanti

Blessings!

[jackovesk]

Avalon has many threads with predictions already. What Jackovesk is doing is good, but not useful to the majority cause predictions usually are not true and people can spread disinfo.
We have too much of that already.

Thanks Jacko

Hi Seko,

What you say in part is True, that's why I started this Thread...

Predictions are rife and Yes many are Attention Seeking, Disinfo or just Plain Wrong and as we know if someone does get a Date Correct, the TPTW can always change it to suit their Agenda...(i.e. If someone Predicted 9/11 and it got a lot of Coverage in the Alternative Media - 'The Date would have been 'Changed'!)

Hence I think we need to Start Afresh and tackle this 'Issue' Head-On and put it to bed as quickly as possible...

Leave all current Predictive type posts where they are...

Some people tend to think having a Prediction Sub-Topic is going to generate even more Disinfo, Fearmongering, ect..? I disagree...

Starting Afresh - These type of Threads can be Isolated in a new Sub-Topic, a place where members can discuss and make these people Accountable for the Disinfo they create.

Here are few that immediately come to mind, Dr. Louis Turi, John Hogue, David Wilcock, Benjamin Fulford and the like...

Who are making these people Accountable for their constant Predictions & Innuendo..?

The Whole Idea was to 'Start Afresh' and try and isolate this info/disinfo into 1 area instead of being all over the Forum...

Let me make it clear, the Predictions &/or Fearmongering will never Stop, so Why Not 'Start Afresh' and try and 'Isolate' them into 1 area where members will then have a clear 'CHOICE' to Read &/or Discuss them if they so choose...

Avalonians are all Individuals and tend to Focus or Certain Topics of interest, there are many Sub-Topics I didn't even know existed until I undertook this exercise...

I am more into providing 'Solutions' to the 'Ongoing Problem' not the other way round...(e.g. Constantly 'Whinging' about it) For that's what is 'Dividing' this Community. Period..!

You can't address a 'Problem' unless you confront it Head-On and Deal-With-IT...

I have said before I am growing tired of all this 'Whinging about Fearmongering/Disinfo/Predictions, etc...

I have provided just 1 Solution to try 'Isolate' the Problem, so its up to the 'Mods' to decide what is the best way to tackle it...

Thanks again to ALL the posters both in the Positive & Negative for your excellent input...

Regards,

Jack

[ThePythonicCow]

But out of the 2000+ members how many different members actually logged into PA since Jackovests thread?
If I did my number crunching correctly, 1479 members have accessed the forum since Jackovesk made the opening post of this thread.

[ThePythonicCow]

Ilie can you let us know how many of the "2000+" members that you use to justify refusing to create a predictions threadAs Ilie noted, we aren't using the numbers to justify not creating a predictions sub-forum.

Rather Ilie was responding to Jackovesk, who was using related numbers, from his poll, as support for his proposal.

We do not decide such questions on the basis of how many logged in, how many viewed a thread, how many voted in a poll, or how they voted (and as an aside, those numbers are less supportive than they might seem anyway.)

We're doing our best to view and discuss several related aspects here.

[fox.mulder]

But out of the 2000+ members how many different members actually logged into PA since Jackovests thread?
If I did my number crunching correctly, 1479 members have accessed the forum since Jackovesk made the opening post of this thread.

ok if the data is correct then about 20% of the members who logged onto PA read the Predictions threads. Of those 20% , 17% of them chose to vote.

[ThePythonicCow]

Disinfo, Fearmongering, etc
Aha - that post spells out more clearly the underlying problem as you understand it. Good. Problem solving starts with clear problem recognition and description.

Do I understand you correctly, Jackovesk, that you find threads presenting specific dated predictions to (usually, always, sometimes?) be disinformation and fear mongering?

I agree (as for example I wrote a couple days ago in this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32375-SaLuSa-We-Are-Now-Authorized-to-Decloak-and-Initiate-Mass-Contact-Laura-Tyco&p=330904&viewfull=1#post330904)) that "overly specific time [predictions] in the near future" are a one of the forms of "disinformation" that "The Bastards in Power" use to corral the masses.

Before I turn my thoughts back to solutions ... does this seem like a fair statement of the problem?

[jackovesk]

Disinfo, Fearmongering, etc
Aha - that post spells out more clearly the underlying problem as you understand it. Good. Problem solving starts with clear problem recognition and description.

Do I understand you correctly, Jackovesk, that you find threads presenting specific dated predictions to (usually, always, sometimes?) be disinformation and fear mongering?

I agree (as for example I wrote a couple days ago in this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32375-SaLuSa-We-Are-Now-Authorized-to-Decloak-and-Initiate-Mass-Contact-Laura-Tyco&p=330904&viewfull=1#post330904)) that "overly specific time [predictions] in the near future" are a one of the forms of "disinformation" that "The Bastards in Power" use to corral the masses.

Before I turn my thoughts back to solutions ... does this seem like a fair statement of the problem?

Correct..!

[ThePythonicCow]

My own inner predictor is what drew me to Bill and Kerry's Project Camelot in the first place. Many of the people they interviewed made predictions. Bill himself has recently passed on a prediction concerning California. Now all of a sudden prediction is a dirty word????? Oh, and Bill just shared his experience with psychic Carol Clarke and what do psychics do..............they predict things!!!
Good examples :)!

Not all predictions are bad, and even some that might turn out wrong will be given respectful treatment on this forum, if for example they come from an honored whistleblower or Bill Ryan ;).

Just because The Bastards in Power (TBiP) use overly specific predictions as one of their means of fear mongering and disinformation spreading does not mean that all date and time specific predictions are the nasty work of TBiP.

[Lily de Cuir]

Gosh, what a lot of palaver over a common sense suggestion. Wow...:crazy:

I'm with you on this Jacko. Thanks for taking the time to post your idea AND deal with the objections also. I bet you are wondering now, why you bothered at all, lol...

Cheers,
Lily

[ThePythonicCow]

If the problem is just the number of moderators, why not create more moderators, with restricted privileges?
When I said earlier that I was concerned this proposed solution (a 'predictions' sub-forum) would be more work for the mods than it was worth, I did not speak clearly.

I didn't mean so much that it would be more work than the current mod staff can handle. As you note, if that were the only concern, and this proposed solution was the right way to go, then it would make sense to add more moderators. I'm certainly willing to add moderators for good reasons (as we may see shortly :).)

Rather I meant that it would be the sort of additional request made on posters of new threads that works best if mostly self-moderating. I was concerned that this particular request, to place threads containing a date specific prediction in a specified sub-forum for such predictions, independent of what sub-forum would have otherwise made sense, would not be all that self-moderating. If such a solution only continues to work with the active enforcement of the mods, then it is probably not a good long term solution.

[ThePythonicCow]

Gosh, what a lot of palaver over a common sense suggestion. Wow...:crazy:
Perhaps it is not such a common sense suggestion ?

Thank-you, Lily, for your understanding of the importance of this issue, for your trust in the ability of the members and the admins/mods to discuss various aspects of it, and for your trust in this forum's admin/mod team.

[Lily de Cuir]

Gosh, what a lot of palaver over a common sense suggestion. Wow...:crazy:
Perhaps it is not such a common sense suggestion ?

Thank-you, Lily, for your understanding of the importance of this issue, for your trust in the ability of the members and the admins/mods to discuss various aspects of it, and for your trust in this forum's admin/mod team.

That would be sarcasm I take it?:tongue1:

[Calz]

Everyone remember this???


Jane Bürgermeister

Whatever happened to the Swine Flu? February 2010

Jane Bürgermeister is an Austrian-Irish journalist, based in Vienna, who was propelled into the public spotlight last year (2009) when, outraged at the distribution of H5N1 (Avian Flu)-infected samples distributed to European laboratories by Baxter Pharmaceuticals, she started to publicize the issue and attempted to press charges against several authorities. Since then she has become a hero to many for her role in championing the rights of citizens against the threat of compulsory mass vaccination.

I met with Jane again in mid-February, and talked with her about her sense of victory and relief following her very intense, and apparently very successful, campaign. She and I speculate, celebrate, and also talk about the Lisbon Treaty and its implications for the citizens of the European Union. The video update ended after half an hour, and was followed by an interesting and informal off-camera conversation that was captured in good quality by the microphone in the room. Enjoy.

http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/jane_burgermeister_en.html

Some "predictions" that do not come to pass are due to people *getting out the word*!!!

Things can happen "behind the scenes" not only as a result of human intervention but spiritually as well.

While we should always use discernment to the best of our ability it is also not in our best interest to have an "angry mob" approach to unfulfilled predictions. This seems to be happening a lot lately.

Should we be "marginalizing" those who take it upon themselves (sometimes at great risk) to put out what they perceive as a warning of some sort?

Is this not a "whistleblower" site forum?

Something to ponder perhaps?

IMHO

[ThePythonicCow]

That would be sarcasm I take it?:tongue1::yes4: .

[ThePythonicCow]

it is also not in our best interest to have an "angry mob" approach to unfulfilled predictions

Yup - exactly.

[Lily de Cuir]

:kiss:

That would be sarcasm I take it?:tongue1::yes4: .


.....................never mind................:spider:

[Lily de Cuir]

Everyone remember this???


Jane Bürgermeister

Whatever happened to the Swine Flu? February 2010

Jane Bürgermeister is an Austrian-Irish journalist, based in Vienna, who was propelled into the public spotlight last year (2009) when, outraged at the distribution of H5N1 (Avian Flu)-infected samples distributed to European laboratories by Baxter Pharmaceuticals, she started to publicize the issue and attempted to press charges against several authorities. Since then she has become a hero to many for her role in championing the rights of citizens against the threat of compulsory mass vaccination.

I met with Jane again in mid-February, and talked with her about her sense of victory and relief following her very intense, and apparently very successful, campaign. She and I speculate, celebrate, and also talk about the Lisbon Treaty and its implications for the citizens of the European Union. The video update ended after half an hour, and was followed by an interesting and informal off-camera conversation that was captured in good quality by the microphone in the room. Enjoy.

http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/jane_burgermeister_en.html

Some "predictions" that do not come to pass are due to people *getting out the word*!!!

Things can happen "behind the scenes" not only as a result of human intervention but spiritually as well.

While we should always use discernment to the best of our ability it is also not in our best interest to have an "angry mob" approach to unfulfilled predictions. This seems to be happening a lot lately.

Should we be "marginalizing" those who take it upon themselves (sometimes at great risk) to put out what they perceive as a warning of some sort?

Is this not a "whistleblower" site forum?

Something to ponder perhaps?

IMHO

Hit the nail on the head there Calz! You are SO right. That is where some predictions are important, so the perceived danger can be averted....

Lily

[mosquito]

There are different types of prediction, those which are general in nature:

"It will rain in Northern France over the coming week", "there will be a financial crash in the next few years"

and those which are date specific:

"On Tuesday at 11:30 it will start to rain in Calais", "the Euro will collapse on 22nd October 2011"

The former type are basically fore-warnings of something which we can expect. The latter are the type which we have seen rather too many of here recently, and which are only going to get more frequent as not only is 2012 coming up, but people's old, failed predictions have mysteriously failed to materialise, so they'll undoubtedly come up with new dates and times for whatever it is they wish to happen (oops, I've just made a prediction !!)

Needless to say, the first, general warning type I find useful, while the second type I do not, to put it mildly.

While I'm in favour of Jacko's idea, I can see that it might be a bit of a headache for the administrators, so ...... let's see what's decided :p

[toothpick]

Great thread once again jack.
Fantastic discussion everyone.
It has to be better to warn people of an oncoming danger, so, they can make some attempt to protect loved ones.
Of course there is the problem of fear mongering that no one benefits from.
I think as enlightened people we can easily discern between real danger and fear mongering.

[Carolin]

It kicked my butt into preparing for uncertainty which in my opinion is the only certainty in life. I vote for free speech!




"Human beings have a drive for security and safety, which is often what fuels the spiritual search. This very drive for security and safety is what causes so much misery and confusion. Freedom is a state of complete and absolute insecurity and not knowing. So, in seeking security and safety, you actually distance yourself from the freedom you want. There is no security in freedom, at least not in the sense that we normally think of security. This is, of course, why it is so free: there's nothing there to grab hold of.

~Adyashanti

Blessings!

Beautiful quote by Adyashanti, however, totally out of context. But since you brought God/Spirit into this, who do you think told Noah to build that arc? If humanity is truely evolving and there is a quickening as some have predicted then awareness and knowing will become more prevalent. This forum should allow those evolving to have a place to talk about prophetic dreams, visions or feelings without being labeled a "fear monger". We are currently on a slippery slope of censorship!

[modwiz]

Beautiful quote by Adyashanti, however, totally out of context. But since you brought God/Spirit into this, who do you think told Noah to build that arc?

It seems that would have been Enki, or by whatever name he is given by different authors. OT is only useful when you have the history it arose out of and can then follow the tribal zigs and zags it makes to shine the spotlight on a narrow segment of humanity.

[ulli]

All prediction, whether true or false, is an attempt to hijack someone else's attention.
And usually a sign that one's own attention is not firmly placed where it really ought to be.
My own curiosity about the future got me to learn astrology, just so I could figure out what would happen to me and my little life.
In the process I found the mystical path, and decided it would NOT be a good idea at all
to use astrology for prediction purposes, but rather as a tool to help people discover the truth
about their own hidden nature, the part they were in denial about.

Once that was successfully done they would be able to direct their own lives
and hopefully become spiritual masters of their lives.
But most people demanded that I gave them an absolute answer about what was in store for them.
I knew enough about astrology that I couldn't do that with any guarantee....there was always an error margin.

Whenever I did a prediction that turned it out to be correct, they started a publicity campaign and sent me loads of people who were nowhere near real spiritual awakening but also demanded absolute answers with even more insistence than the earlier crowd. I wanted nothing to do with that kind of work.

But there was an overall process at work....which I now see happening here.
This forum reflects what happened to me, and on a much larger scale.
I see the mixture of inner work, leading to ever more spiritual growth, lots of really creative, happy, alive people who have managed to look death in the face and yet continue to pour out their loving humanity.
But I also notice the "prediction" headlines of new disaster threads appearing, and always posted by the same crowd...no matter how much successful debunking was done yet they continued...the Elenin discussion went on and on, and lacking reason and common sense even after Bill stepped in and debunked it.
I totally agree with Jack's sentiment here, but also see the mod's dilemma.

I think the solution is rather than have a prediction area in isolation from the general discussion area, to have more threads that discuss the art of ignoring.
Ignoring as a conscious act.
Not enough people have learnt how ignoring someone is a real option. It avoids giving away energy. When done consciously it can take a variety of forms- be creative.
Like "hello, hello, look at me, over here!!!!!
I'm ignoring you and your boring attempts at fear mongering!!! I know what you REALLY want/need.
This can then help to wake up those who are for whatever reason so starved for attention that they will do anything to get it...even if it is negative attention.
Their real issues can then be addressed, and the future will look brighter, thanks to one less mega phone.
If this is taken to the nth level, it will mean no one will take their savings or financial needs to the ultimate fear mongerer...the international banks.

[Carolin]

From the wonderful thread called "Let's Be The Change" started by WhiteFeather there is an enlightening video called "How it feels to have a stroke" posted by eaglespirit. It perfectly describes how those of us who are being guided by our left hemisphere love predictions. Since I am right brained enough to know we are all exactly where we are meant to be, I won't judge whether my left brain is right or wrong. It's God given and it's serving a purpose. My point here is that just because some are approaching things from the left side of their brain they shouldn't be disrespected, labeled or judged. You don't need to beat someone down just because you don't agree with their opinion.....play nice!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UyyjU8fzEYU#!

[ulli]

From the wonderful thread called "Let's Be The Change" started by WhiteFeather there is an enlightening video called "How it feels to have a stroke" posted by eaglespirit. It perfectly describes how those of us who are being guided by our left hemisphere love predictions. Since I am right brained enough to know we are all exactly where we are meant to be, I won't judge whether my left brain is right or wrong. It's God given and it's serving a purpose. My point here is that just because some are approaching things from the left side of their brain they shouldn't be disrespected, labeled or judged. You don't need to beat someone down just because you don't agree with their opinion.....play nice!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UyyjU8fzEYU#!

The statement "play nice" already implies judge mentality.
The left brain's desire for logic is assaulted.
It doesn't see "nice" in such a statement.
It wants higher reason, so it can continue with it's forward movement.

Right brain is cozy with status quo, until it's need for "nice" is disturbed.
This is the right brain driving left brain crazy.
Hence Aspergers syndrome is on the rise today.
The ideal is to integrate both hemispheres of the brain, and know them for what they are.

[seko]

It kicked my butt into preparing for uncertainty which in my opinion is the only certainty in life. I vote for free speech!






"Human beings have a drive for security and safety, which is often what fuels the spiritual search. This very drive for security and safety is what causes so much misery and confusion. Freedom is a state of complete and absolute insecurity and not knowing. So, in seeking security and safety, you actually distance yourself from the freedom you want. There is no security in freedom, at least not in the sense that we normally think of security. This is, of course, why it is so free: there's nothing there to grab hold of.

~Adyashanti

Blessings!

Beautiful quote by Adyashanti, however, totally out of context. But since you brought God/Spirit into this, who do you think told Noah to build that arc? If humanity is truely evolving and there is a quickening as some have predicted then awareness and knowing will become more prevalent. This forum should allow those evolving to have a place to talk about prophetic dreams, visions or feelings without being labeled a "fear monger". We are currently on a slippery slope of censorship!

No we are not in a slippery slope of censorship, don't use sentences that don't say true things it's just your assumption. It is just a conversation to see if it works for everybody to have a Predictions sub topic.

[Jay]

Some predictions are worth remembering even if faulty..... This one from the Chairman of IBM in 1943 : "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." -- Thomas Watson (1874-1956)

;)

[ThePythonicCow]

"640K ought to be enough for anybody."
-- Bill Gates, 1981

(couldn't resist :))

[Ilie Pandia]

************

After some discussion and some tech work, here is "the solution" that will address this issue, and will work much better (in my opinion) than a sub-forum, because is much more flexible.

Have a look: Using tags to group together the forum threads (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32637-Using-Tags--tagging--to-group-threads-together&p=333129#post333129)

PS: Please ask any questions about the tag system on the thread I've linked above.

[ThePythonicCow]

Some advantages, in my view, of using tags to mark "prediction" threads:

Tags can be used along with the sub-forum structure, so a thread can, for example, be both in the Ufology sub-forum and have a "prediction" tag.
Tags can be applied by any user, to any thread (up to the per-member limit of two tags per thread)
Users can create new tags at will, for other ways of categorizing threads, without having to spend a week answering frustrating questions from reluctant Admins on a thread like this ;).

One can find all threads marked "prediction" (for example) by clicking on View Tag Cloud (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/tags.php), near the bottom of each page of forum posts.

[jackovesk]

************

After some discussion and some tech work, here is "the solution" that will address this issue, and will work much better (in my opinion) than a sub-forum, because is much more flexible.

Have a look: Using tags to group together the forum threads (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32637-Using-Tags--tagging--to-group-threads-together&p=333129#post333129)

PS: Please ask any questions about the tag system on the thread I've linked above.


Some advantages, in my view, of using tags to mark "prediction" threads:

Tags can be used along with the sub-forum structure, so a thread can, for example, be both in the Ufology sub-forum and have a "prediction" tag.
Tags can be applied by any user, to any thread (up to the per-member limit of two tags per thread)
Users can create new tags at will, for other ways of categorizing threads, without having to spend a week answering frustrating questions from reluctant Admins on a thread like this ;).

One can find all threads marked "prediction" (for example) by clicking on View Tag Cloud (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/tags.php), near the bottom of each page of forum posts.

Is that it..?

Is this your 'Final Solution'..?

[DevilPigeon]

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I think tagging is a good idea.

[jackovesk]

************

After some discussion and some tech work, here is "the solution" that will address this issue, and will work much better (in my opinion) than a sub-forum, because is much more flexible.

Have a look: Using tags to group together the forum threads (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32637-Using-Tags--tagging--to-group-threads-together&p=333129#post333129)

PS: Please ask any questions about the tag system on the thread I've linked above.


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I think tagging is a good idea.

Interesting Devil Pigeon,

Could you explain 'Why'..?

[RMorgan]

Well, I didn´t like this solution as well, not personally, but because I think it will not solve the problem.

However, this decision is up to the mods. :)

[DevilPigeon]

************

After some discussion and some tech work, here is "the solution" that will address this issue, and will work much better (in my opinion) than a sub-forum, because is much more flexible.

Have a look: Using tags to group together the forum threads (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32637-Using-Tags--tagging--to-group-threads-together&p=333129#post333129)

PS: Please ask any questions about the tag system on the thread I've linked above.


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I think tagging is a good idea.

Interesting Devil Pigeon,

Could you explain 'Why'..?

Sure, no probs. :)

The way I see it, the influx of predictions has ramped up very recently, and I think by their very nature have a relatively low chance of coming to fruition - this is admittedly a personal gut feeling.

I think if a new subforum were to be created, then my guess would be that given time it would either be a place for people to avoid (as they'd be pretty comfortable knowing that whatever was posted there had a small chance of developing) or it would become a club with which to further bash well-meaning members of the alternative community from external sources. I'm happy for predictions to remain where they are, intermingled with similar non-prediction stuff.

Aside from that, there's also the housekeeping stuff that's already been mentioned - eg do you just have 1 subforum or multiple depending on the subject, when does a topic qualify as a prediction or not, moving of topics etc.

[ThePythonicCow]

Well, I didn´t like this solution as well, not personally, but because I think it will not solve the problem.

However, this decision is up to the mods. :)

Can you describe "the problem", as you see it, and if it's not obvious, why tags won't solve it?

[RMorgan]

Well, I didn´t like this solution as well, not personally, but because I think it will not solve the problem.

However, this decision is up to the mods. :)

Can you describe "the problem", as you see it, and if it's not obvious, why tags won't solve it?

Hey Paul! :)

IMHO, the problem is that predictions theories, really fall into a specific category, which would be "predictions".

In the last few months, we´ve been experiencing lots of prediction threads and I think they deserve their own place.

There are sections for much less popular themes than predictions, so why not create another section for them, which are really growing in popularity?

Also, personally, I really thing a disclaimer text would be necessary in this section. You know, some people can take these predictions very very seriously and discernment is not a skill that is available to all.

In terms of predictions, the alternative media is a complete mess. There are so many authors out there who were proven to be wrong so many times, and keep coming with new predictions, and people keep believing in them...

A prediction section would be an amazing tool for all of us, to organize things a little bit, and to know which author is reliable or not.

Cheers,

Raf.

[ThePythonicCow]

Can you describe "the problem", as you see it, and if it's not obvious, why tags won't solve it?
IMHO, the problem is that predictions theories, really fall into a specific category, which would be "predictions".

But don't prediction threads overlap with existing topics? Can't one have predictions in threads involving the sun, other parts of the cosmos, global finances, earthquakes, UFO's, disclosure, ... (all of which have existing sub-forums?)

If someone predicts an earthquake in California this month, do we put the thread in the Earthquakes (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?77-Earthquakes-Latest-reports-and-discussions) sub-forum, or in the Predictions sub-forum? (Or if it's Bill Ryan making the prediction, do we put - well expect Bill to put - the thread in Bill Ryan's Threads (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?9-Bill-Ryan-s-Threads) ;)?)

Better perhaps to let users tag the thread. Then any user can do it, and a thread can have multiple relevant tags. Members can add tags, but only admin/mods can move threads.

[ulli]

When considering new regulations it's best to ask the question "where would one draw the line and how about the narrow marginals?

Because someone might want to bring up a conversation about possible future intent or direction,
not quite a fixed prophecy, but more like this or that could happen IF...
So to make the right distinction would be rather difficult, I imagine.
It's like asking people to understand the word "style"
in all of its implications and only apply the absolute highest standards.
I don't think we need any more categories.

I just had to book a ticket online with American Airlines, and let me tell ya, each time I fly their website is more crammed with new categories.
And each window opens with a pop-up asking if you want to see the "secure" version.
A nightmare.

AlThe best we can do is help the moderators when the prediction trolls overdo it.
It takes one to know one, so you can count me in.

[Calz]

Squeaky wheel ... not by intention.

Is Bill on board with putting his own predictions in a "sub forum" venue???

If so ... and I seem to be among a tiny minority on this topic ... then fine ... so be it.

Yes ... if some of the really psychic connected members here come up with a warning that can save many lives ... let us marginalize them and shove them off to the side where only those with extra time on their hands will see???

What???

I seem to be swimming upsteam lately ... sorry


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[RMorgan]

Better perhaps to let users tag the thread. Then any user can do it, and a thread can have multiple relevant tags. Members can add tags, but only admin/mods can move threads.

Yes. Tags are great Paul. However, I don´t think regular users really have the habit to use them.



Yes ... if some of the really psychic connected members here come up with a warning that can save many lives ... let us marginalize them and shove them off to the side where only those with extra time on their hands will see??


Calz, do you know the "peter and the wolf" story? Well, when or if someone makes a genuine prediction here that could save may lives, he/she would already becomes automatically discredited, because of the high number of fake predictions the would precede him/her.

[ThePythonicCow]

Yes. Tags are great Paul. However, I don´t think regular users really have the habit to use them.
Well, until Ilie fixed them a few days ago, tags were so messed up that almost no one (regular, irregular or total geek) used them.

There was an automatic bot (2 or 3 of them, actually) going around assigning stupid tags to everything in sight.

Ilie has cleaned out the mountain of bogus tags, turned off the stupid bots, and now tags are in the fine hands of our select and most wonderful members :).

So ... if you see a prediction thread ... tag it "prediction". You can see the tag edit mechanism at bottom of each page, as Ilie explains at Using Tags (tagging) to group threads together (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32637-Using-Tags--tagging--to-group-threads-together).

And - who knows - this actually could lead to a sub-forum for predictions. Once a number of existing and new "prediction" threads are tagged, we all (the members and the moderators) can look at that tagged collection and reasonably ask if they all would be better gathered into one "prediction" sub-forum, or better left in their various and diverse existing sub-forums.

(It was primarily because of this very thread that Ilie fixed tags to be usable again ... so such proposals can have useful affects ... just not always quite what the original proposer expected :p.)

[jackovesk]

FYI - I will from now on be posting any 'Prediction' type Threads into the 2012 and Beyond Sub-Topic which really should or could have been named 'Predictions' anyway...

This has been a Painstaking process which I'm sorry to All has achieved relatively nothing...

Thanks to all the Posters & Mods for their efforts...

Regards,

Jack

[jackovesk]

I predict this won't happen. :laugh:

Good onya Orph,

That's about the only 'Prediction' on this Forum from memory that has been fulfilled..!

Well done...

Jack

[nosgib]

I'm in,and speaking in the vernacular;
Put up or shut up, with a moderator as referee.......A thread that can be a part of history,unbiased, but with the only intent of truth and doing Good.

[nosgib]

Actually may I suggest 2 sections
A oracle and a chronicle!
The former not having a time line but the latter with. (as that is the distinction between the two)

[fox.mulder]

Calz, do you know the "peter and the wolf" story? Well, when or if someone makes a genuine prediction here that could save may lives, he/she would already becomes automatically discredited, because of the high number of fake predictions the would precede him/her.

Ok what about we look at this from another angle. Can some list the predictions that actually came true on PA? I would hope that at least 50% are successfully in order to justify the amount of time given to this topic. Lets find out the exact success rate? Anyone can help?

[RMorgan]

Calz, do you know the "peter and the wolf" story? Well, when or if someone makes a genuine prediction here that could save may lives, he/she would already becomes automatically discredited, because of the high number of fake predictions the would precede him/her.

Ok what about we look at this from another angle. Can some list the predictions that actually came true on PA? I would hope that at least 50% are successfully in order to justify the amount of time given to this topic. Lets find out the exact success rate? Anyone can help?

That´s the whole point of this thread, my friend.

I guess my answer to your question, from memory, is ZERO?

[ThePythonicCow]

I guess my answer to your question, from memory, is ZERO?
Well .. if it was ZERO .. then it's not ZERO any more, as your prediction was true.

(hmm ... but then it not being ZERO any more would make your prediction true again ... I smell the makings of a paradox here.)

[Ellisa]

I think that if ZERO is the result then it is a valid result. Maybe that's what happens to predictions.

However predictions are just that--- unproven ideas. It is not until the event happens that a prediction is valid in its own right. As a result dated predictions are less likely to be fulfilled than non-dated ones. Thus I could say one day the world will end-- and it is an unproven prediction for (I hope) a very, very long time. However if I say that the world will end next Tuesday week, and it doesn't, well that is a valid result, and I look silly.

I am a supporter of this proposed new section. I like predictions, they make me think hard about unusual topics, and I like the bravery of the predictors. I admit I don't take them too seriously, but now and again some things are predicted which are surprisingly accurate, as in the Christchurch earthquake.

I also agree with those who find it difficult to locate items of interest after they disappear from the front page. I think a heading "Prediction" would help. Until then I'll look under 2012 (but what happens in 2013 if the Mayan Calendar doesn't wind up time forever?)

[Calz]

Would not having a sub-forum based entirely on predictions actually *encourage* people to post them ... thus defeating the purpose???

Hmmm ... wonder who is going to the the world series this year?

:chess:

[Calz]

Take a moment and reflect about how Camelot started and what were some of the core issues.

Whistleblower information to try to sort through and get as close to those shifting concepts of "truth" and "reality" as possible.

What about "predictions"??? How much time was devoted to determine what would happen in 2012 ... or what is the next false flag ... or what the PTB/W might try to foist on us next? Earth changes???

Not to belabor the issue ... splitting hairs I suppose. :juggle::decision::juggle:


If the mods are up to it then why not? Poll numbers are quite decisive.

IMHO

Cal

[fox.mulder]

I must be hanging around the wrong crowd here. It seems so clear to me, not one prediction has come true that means to me there are alot of people who's intuition is actually delusion. So such people should be told that they are deluded. They are not awake they are in fact still asleep just switched dreams.

I've spent the majority of my posts in the last few weeks aimed at encouraging people to be real, discourage the time wasters and pushed that people not package opinions as fact. The majority of people have been negative toward this. So by being against these ideas, the majority must actually want misleading posts, fear mongering, opinions being pushed as fact. Is this what most people want? Granted a bit of fiction does make better reading.

I've seen this kind of thing before in religion, the continual pursuit of some truth despite what actually makes sense. With gurus (or elders) manipulating the dialogue to keep it unclear and unprecise.

Is this what people actually want? If so then I am in the wrong crowd here.

FM

[Calz]

Everyone remember this???


Jane Bürgermeister

Whatever happened to the Swine Flu? February 2010

Jane Bürgermeister is an Austrian-Irish journalist, based in Vienna, who was propelled into the public spotlight last year (2009) when, outraged at the distribution of H5N1 (Avian Flu)-infected samples distributed to European laboratories by Baxter Pharmaceuticals, she started to publicize the issue and attempted to press charges against several authorities. Since then she has become a hero to many for her role in championing the rights of citizens against the threat of compulsory mass vaccination.

I met with Jane again in mid-February, and talked with her about her sense of victory and relief following her very intense, and apparently very successful, campaign. She and I speculate, celebrate, and also talk about the Lisbon Treaty and its implications for the citizens of the European Union. The video update ended after half an hour, and was followed by an interesting and informal off-camera conversation that was captured in good quality by the microphone in the room. Enjoy.

http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/jane_burgermeister_en.html

Some "predictions" that do not come to pass are due to people *getting out the word*!!!

Things can happen "behind the scenes" not only as a result of human intervention but spiritually as well.

While we should always use discernment to the best of our ability it is also not in our best interest to have an "angry mob" approach to unfulfilled predictions. This seems to be happening a lot lately.

Should we be "marginalizing" those who take it upon themselves (sometimes at great risk) to put out what they perceive as a warning of some sort?

Is this not a "whistleblower" site forum?

Something to ponder perhaps?

IMHO





Calz, do you know the "peter and the wolf" story? Well, when or if someone makes a genuine prediction here that could save may lives, he/she would already becomes automatically discredited, because of the high number of fake predictions the would precede him/her.

Ok what about we look at this from another angle. Can some list the predictions that actually came true on PA? I would hope that at least 50% are successfully in order to justify the amount of time given to this topic. Lets find out the exact success rate? Anyone can help?

As I put in post # 79 this *to me* is the issue.

We have a *failed* prediction.

Are we supposed to be badgered into submission and not put out information like Jane did???

So we have a paradox. If things are done behind the scenes to avert a "predicted" disaster or simply stopped by calling enough attention to something to change the "predicted" plan ... then many lives have potentially been saved.

What is the *cost* of being right??? How do we measure *success*???

Lets all send Jane emails criticizing her for bothering us with her rediculous "prediction" that didn't come true ...

[fox.mulder]

Everyone remember this???


Jane Bürgermeister

Whatever happened to the Swine Flu? February 2010

...

Some "predictions" that do not come to pass are due to people *getting out the word*!!!
...
...We have a *failed* prediction.

Are we supposed to be badgered into submission and not put out information like Jane did???

So we have a paradox. If things are done behind the scenes to avert a "predicted" disaster or simply stopped by calling enough attention to something to change the "predicted" plan ... then many lives have potentially been saved.

...

This example is not really a prediction in the same vein as the ones that are being discussed. This lady it appears had made some actual observations and took action. This is not like the California, Elenin, October dates etc etc.

If people are co-dependant on the fiction with the people that write it then let it be.

[Calz]

I see your point.

I predict this will be my last post in this thread :)

The members have spoken ... up to the mods I guess.

Cal