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Disclosure Imminent? Part II: Many More Bases Destroyed

Written by David Wilcock
Thursday, 13 October 2011 01:11

MANY underground bases have now been completely cleared out... materials, equipment, and personnel... by yet-unknown forces.

An international coalition, intending to overthrow the Old World Order and free humanity from enslavement, is claiming responsibility. They also appear to have extraterrestrial assistance in this mission.

Truth or fiction? You decide.

Please link to this article but do not re-post it, as it is being dynamically updated as events unfold. Posting key excerpts with the link is encouraged.

Please read Part One first, as otherwise I will be bringing up various points that you will be unfamiliar with.

CLICK HERE FOR PART ONE

WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE?

Do you believe in love, or do you believe in fear?

If you do believe in love, do you also believe in a Higher Power in the universe?

Is this an abstract concept in your mind, or do you see that it also has practical realization in the events that take place on Earth day after day?

Which of these two realities do you feed... with your thoughts and beliefs... and the energies they in turn create?

Do you see life on Earth as subject to random catastrophes beyond your control, and enslavement by shadowy negative forces pulling the marionette strings of elected governments?

Or, do you believe that everything in life has Purpose -- even if it is not always obvious?

Could this Purpose be carefully maintained by entities vastly more evolved than those zipping around in UFOs and visiting us from other worlds?


INTERNATIONAL COALITION BRINGING DOWN THE OLD WORLD ORDER

I am honored to present you with a true story about the awakening of humanity. The awakening is happening on a personal level... and on a collective level as well.

Collectively, world governments are becoming aware that they have been manipulated and lied to.

One of the greatest lies that has been perpetuated by the Powers that Were is that "everybody's in on it" -- all elected governments, leaders, officials, personnel, et cetera.

This is simply not true.

The real powers that have been running the world would never show their faces in an election. You will never see anyone above middle-management level in a race for public office.

Many, if not most elected officials are terrified of these hidden powers. They have been vigorously threatened with fates far worse than death -- witnessing the gruesome results firsthand -- if they should ever dare to oppose the Old World Order.

Russia, China, Brazil and India bravely led the charge with the BRIC alliance, which became BRICS when South Africa signed on. From this seed, we now have a massive international coalition involving the leaders of over 80 nations -- and it's growing by the day.


TWO DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES ON THE SAME STORY


Together, these nations have formed a new alliance for justice. Their most important and significant goal is to utterly crush the ability to create money out of thin air. All currencies will soon be backed by tangible assets, such as precious metals and other commodities.

This plan was devised by people who had worked within the old system at a very high level, and have since broken away. (I cannot go into greater specifics at this time.) They knew exactly what the biggest problems were -- and what we need to do in order to fix them.

I had heard about a similar-sounding plan from my own top-level insider sources for about the last two years. I sincerely hoped it would succeed, but we hadn't really talked about it much since last year.

Up until recently, I was unaware that the 80-nation coalition Benjamin Fulford was talking about (see Part One) was organizing its financial recovery agenda through this exact same plan -- working from the exact same blueprints I've been hearing about for so long.


I didn't realize that both of these storylines were connected until I presented one of these insiders with a detailed summary of what I had written about in Part One.

"You just verbalized exactly what is going on, David. I wouldn't have had the liberty to tell you all those details otherwise, as this is still very sensitive, but now that you already have been briefed on it, I can confirm that everything you've just said is true."

The only point of discrepancy was that this contact had only heard that "about 50" nations had signed on -- but that information was several weeks old at the time. This made it line up even better with Fulford's timeline of what nations got involved, and when.


WHAT, EXACTLY, ARE THEY DOING?


This is the first article I've written since finding out that the international coalition Fulford spoke about is using the exact same blueprint for financial reform that I've been discussing, off and on, for so long now -- with my own insiders.

Now that I know how it all fits together, I'm even more excited about it than I was already. Fulford's sources have now gotten a very significant validation from my own... and I believe this is no accident.

This will be the most substantial reformatting of the world's financial system since the time of Babylon, where all the problems first originated... at least on this planet, in our so-called "modern" times.

In the new system, if you have 20 dollars -- either in cash or in your bank account -- you can visit any one of a variety of warehouses storing materials and goods, and withdraw 20 dollars' worth of assets from the warehouse.

You could get 20 dollars worth of corn. Or wheat. Or potatoes. Or silver. Or gold. Or rice. Et cetera.


A BASKET OF COMMODITIES


This might not sound any different than going to the grocery store, but the difference is extremely substantial. No currency in the world will be issued unless it has the direct backing of hard assets -- held in storage as collateral against the value of the money.

This is not unlike the idea of a Gold Standard -- and in fact, gold will be one of the precious metals held in storage -- but there is not enough gold to run the world's financial systems appropriately at this point. That problem will only intensify as growth continues.

It is very important that all money is tied in with real things: stuff that actually exists, has real value, and sits in a warehouse somewhere, so that anyone who uses the money can turn in their cash for it.

Technically, the term I heard is that every financial system in the world will be "tethered to a basket of commodities."

This one simple move will utterly crush the Illuminati and all other shadow factions. The playing field will finally be leveled.

Legitimate wealth, such as what ordinary people or even most well-to-do people have in the bank, will not be affected by this change.

If you have money in the bank, those assets will still be yours when the changeover is made -- except they will soon have a lot more purchasing power than they did before in the old, corrupt system.

All of this is but a brief transitional phase as we move into what will ultimately be a moneyless system... as I will explain in Part Three.



THE PEOPLE ARE ANGRY... AND HAVE TAKEN TO THE STREETS FOR CHANGE

Unfortunately, most people do not understand the nature of the current system enough to see why this will be such a significant change.

Propaganda will undoubtedly be very effective in making people utterly convinced that this is the big "New World Order" takeover they've been fearing and dreading for so long... directly setting the stage for martial law, internment camps and so on.

There are already some very provocative examples of this propaganda occurring now. They know what is coming and are doing everything they can to brace for impact.

However, everyone knows that the more "funny money" is created, the more prices go up -- and the more impoverished everyone becomes.

This has now become obvious, thanks to the bailouts -- which did absolutely nothing to quell the daily mind-rape of economic fear porn being churned out by the establishment media.

Fear was created. Bailouts were rammed through without a public vote or approval. The rich got richer. The poor got poorer. The only solution they offered was to generate even more bailouts, making the problem even worse. Fear begets fear.

As a result, the Occupy Wall Street movement is now growing exponentially fast. One insider told me they estimate it is growing by 50 percent per week, and may accelerate even faster as it catches on.

Even the public media is now reporting that the movement has spread to 900 cities around the world.


GENUINELY TERRIFYING

This public uprising is genuinely terrifying to the Old World Order, regardless of their propaganda and disinformation to the contrary.

They had no idea what it would be called once it got started, but they have been planning ever since at least the 1980s for a mass, public uprising once the average person realizes how badly he or she has been mistreated.

This was also the key point discussed at a recent closed meeting of Congress on September 28th... "What the hell do we do now?"

“Super Congress” Holding Super Secret Meetings
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/28/super-committee-secret-meetings_n_984965.html

Throughout the day on Tuesday, a smattering of political reporters leaned up against walls in the basement of the Capitol Visitors Center. Inside room HVC200, the 12-member supercommittee, tasked with reshaping the nation's tax code, social safety net and approach to war, was meeting in secret.

"I don’t want to discuss what we discussed," Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) told the gathered reporters, as recorded by Politico.

“I think you all know the rules,” Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) told the group, according to Roll Call. “If you want to talk to somebody, talk to our two co-chairmen."

"They have had a series of member meetings and will continue to do so while also holding public hearings," a spokesperson for Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), one of the two chairs, told HuffPost on Tuesday when asked about the private meeting, which lasted most of the day.

The other panel members, according to media reports, were equally mum about what went on inside the room. "They were running through a whole series of cats and dogs," an aide to a Democratic member told HuffPost.
Of the six significant meetings the Super Congress has held, only two have been public -- one to allow members to read prepared opening statements.


IT'S TOO LATE TO STOP IT NOW

The best the Powers that Were can do now is to appear to support the Occupy Wall Street movement, because they know their entire "black economy" is about to be closed down anyway.

It is too late, and they know it. The battle has been lost. They didn't think it was possible they could ever be defeated, but now they are well aware of their own impending collapse... thanks to this vast, international coalition.

There is real terror among them now. They pushed it too far. They stole too much. They told too many lies. They got too greedy. And now their time has run out.

Their final plan is to attempt to run and hide from justice as it all comes crashing down around them... such as in massive complexes on land they have annexed in South America.

They are also planning to create significant damage on the way out.

I have had at least 100 different dreams revealing various aspects of this scenario in the last three years, some of which I've posted here, and I have been given every assurance that these plans will not succeed.


NASTY, NASTY, NASTY

As I said in Part One, top-level insiders are now telling us that charges have been planted in key bridges and airstrips around the US.

The Eisenhower Interstate System, from its inception, built cubbyholes into bridges where incendiary devices could be planted at all the key locations that were necessary to bring them down.

I do not believe Eisenhower was aware of this feature when it was first installed -- but it does seem he discovered at least part of what was going on before the end of his presidency.

President Eisenhower famously warned of "the rise of unwarranted influence... by the military-industrial complex" in his farewell address.

This diabolical plan may well be part of what he was warning us about.


HOW WAS IT DONE?

I asked my insiders if black-ops teams planted these charges and then had to be killed to protect the secrets. I was surprised by the simplicity and elegance of the answer.

"It's a lot simpler than that. Why kill any of your best people if you don't have to?"


"I don't get it. What is stopping these guys from spilling the whole story to their wives some night when they're really drunk and depressed -- particularly if they get all pissed off at their bosses once the checks stop coming in?"

"What if the people who did this had no idea they were planting bombs in the first place?"


"Oh ****. I think I'm starting to see where you're going with this. Go on."


"All you have to do is hire ordinary workers to do safety checks. You pay them to drill holes in the concrete of these bridges. They then send in their scopes and equipment to test for "structural integrity", such as cracks and fissures in the concrete.


Then, they put in radio-controlled 'detectors', which supposedly test for humidity, temperature, air pressure, acoustic vibrations and so on. These devices do, in fact, do all of these things... so no one asks any questions.


Once the 'detectors' were put in, they filled in the holes with cement... and went on to the next one.

Little did they know they just planted demolition charges that can be set off with the push of a button.

The plan is to set 'em off all over America, all at once, when the public finally realizes how badly they've been screwed... and forms a mass uprising."


TRUTH RUINS THE PLAN

Various insiders shared this plan with me, and I am admittedly taking a personal risk in making it public -- but I consider silence to be a much greater risk on this particular issue.

I suspect, but have not confirmed, that the Mississippi bridge collapse of August 1, 2007 was a preliminary test of this system to make sure it would work properly... and it apparently did.

A massive eight-lane steel bridge on the I-35 collapsed during evening rush hour on August 1, 2007, killing 13 people and injuring 145.

What made this event so strange was that multiple structural members of the bridge collapsed simultaneously -- all along the bridge, from one side to the other -- causing it to drop at nearly free-fall speed.

If it were a natural event, it would be more logical to assume that one support strut would break first, and then some of the others would get carried down along with it... but both sides? Simultaneously?

This doesn't smell right.


FORGIVE THE SKEPTICS

Skeptics would insist this bridge collapse, and other similarly weird things like the Building 7 free-fall collapse during 9/11, are ordinary events -- but those skeptics are speaking from a place of fear.

The interesting thing about fear is it often lurks in the subconscious. The real source of this very strongly-held belief then remains unavailable to the conscious mind.

The skeptics themselves are unaware that the real reason they fight the truth so vigorously is they cannot psychologically handle the weight of it possibly being true.

This is why, as I always say, forgive the skeptics and the haters. No matter what you say or do, they will not change their beliefs until they are ready.

In ordinary circumstances, it may take them a very long time to let go, embrace the "dark night of the soul", and integrate the ugly truth that has always been lurking in the shadows.

They are suffering from a sixty-year program of comprehensive, mass brainwashing, which continues to bombard them and reinforce the system on a day-by-day basis from the mainstream media.

Their minds will not allow the truth to be the truth, because the thought is too unbearable to contemplate.


THERE IS NOTHING TO FEAR

This willful, fear-induced denial is, in fact, exactly how this mass, international occult financial conspiracy has persisted for so long.

Sadly, many people do not realize there is absolutely nothing to fear. Even once the whole, ugly truth is exposed, there will almost certainly be some degree of mass riots and panic as the spin-meisters continue to do their best to create massive, uncontrollable fear.

The truth is that we are living in a holographic, thought-responsive "matrix," built by what I call the Source Field.

Not one person has been forgotten by the Divine, loving forces assisting our earth, who will present "coincidences" and bizarre events that pull back the veil -- and reveal that things are not as they seem.

The more you realize that these events are genuinely real, instead of laughing them off as nonsense, the more they will happen.

This mass, collective lucid dream responds to our thoughts, intentions and desires -- and is conveniently disguised as "reality".

This "illusion" was created for our own spiritual growth and development -- by forces vastly more powerful than all the minds on Earth combined.

The "illusion" is also extremely ancient -- if you would be so aggressive as to attach a time-coordinate to that which is ageless and timeless.


OUR PLANET IS BEING PROTECTED ON A VAST LEVEL

In material such as the Law of One series, which I have heavily validated with over 1000 academic references in The Source Field Investigations, we are told that very high-level beings oversee the evolution of people on Earth -- and millions of other worlds in this galaxy alone.

A very precise balance is achieved -- where the public never experiences anything greater than what they themselves have attracted... by the focus of their thoughts.

The human mind is the ultimate battlefield. If the Powers that Were can keep you locked up in fear and terror, you will attract more fear and terror... and they win.


HIDE OUT IN THE OPEN

In their occult system, they all know the "rules" -- and one of the main principles is that they have to "hide out in the open."

They reveal their plans to humanity, with very little veiling, if any. One very large but extremely simple example would be the bailouts.

If no one cares enough to do anything significant about these plans, then on a very real level, the public has actively chosen to be enslaved.

They make this choice by believing that fear is stronger than love.

They may have had many bizarre synchronicities in their lives, inviting them into the truth that we live in a magical universe designed to promote spiritual evolution, but they wall these experiences off in some separate category -- apart from "the real world."

What the negatives do not realize is that the reason why these "rules" force them to "hide out in the open" is that they are being used. They are only here to fulfill a purpose. Once that purpose has been adequately fulfilled, they will be forced to either change or leave.

Their purpose is to provide a mirror of the collective negativity we all are wrestling with.

Enough people have now seen their own reflection in the worldwide mirror that the Old World Order is now very rapidly being dismantled.

This news is so stunning, and so exciting, that it has been very difficult for me to wait to finish this article describing what I now know.

THESE PLANS WILL NOT SUCCEED

The negatives do not understand that they are on a very tight choker-chain leash from the higher forces.

Much like only one party can ever win an election, any one diabolical plan the Old World Order creates is nothing more than a job application they just filed with Management.

"Guys, could we please nuke the planet?" Nope. Sorry.

"Could we maybe kill a few billion people and lighten the load a bit?" Afraid not.

"Well, OK, but how about a world dictatorship?" Fugeddaboutit.

"Can we get them to worship us as gods... create a big disaster and then appear as their saviors?" Nah, buddy.

"Hmmm... what if we try a massive, fake alien invasion?" Ain't gonna happen.

"Well, could we at least destroy the American economy and starve everyone out of spite once we get caught?" Nuh-uh-uh!


"ASSHOLE HIPPIES FROM OUTER SPACE"

One of the most exciting things I've been hearing about lately is that a ten-mile-wide spherical UFO is now parked in upper Earth orbit.

Over 200 smaller craft have been seen coming and going from the mothership, thanks to round doors opening and closing.

This was all witnessed by personnel within the International Space Station, among others.

One of my own staff sent me a writeup of a dream that described this exact scenario in stunning detail -- and they had no idea that I'd already heard the same thing from insiders.

It has become very difficult to piece together exactly what is going on, since there has been a significant clamp-down on information in the insider community -- and the "need-to-know basis" has now become much more stringent.

However, we do know that some aspects of the military-industrial complex have made contact with these people... and literally described them as "Asshole Hippies from Outer Space." (This element was also featured in the prophetic dream, featured below.)

The Old World Order have been told they are being stopped in order to save the trees, the animals and the people of this planet.

"What the f- do you care about this planet? You don't even live here! F-k off!"


COMPASSION SEEN AS A WEAKNESS

The military mindset adores drama and intrigue. They love to feel they are in an epic struggle against a villain that is Evil Incarnate.

Apparently, what pisses them off the most is that their underground bases are now being wiped out, in ever-increasing numbers, by people who speak softly of love and peace, keep trying to get them to open their hearts, but are also refusing to take no for an answer.

It's literally the equivalent of their greatest, most secure blast doors in the deepest underground bunkers being torn open... and then in walks a bunch of Greenpeace, earth-loving, blissed-out, attractive, young-looking humans who speak to them like they were children.


THE BIG LECTURE

"Wait a minute. I thought you guys were only here to observe? What about the Prime Directive and all that? You're not supposed to DO ANYTHING!"

"Don't you remember how we would appear and shut down your nuclear missile installations... ever since you began building them?"

"Well, yeah, but then you gave them back to us! You were only running tests. You never took any action. You let us use them here and there. You obviously could have invaded any time you wanted, but you never did. You were weak and foolish."

"I understand how you feel. It may have appeared that we were only here to study you from a distance, but our real purpose was to make sure you would never actually be able to use nuclear weapons to destroy the Earth.


We mean you no harm. We also cannot allow you to destroy this planet. I am sorry, because I know this is very disappointing for you.


We could not take further action until the great cycles of Time allowed us to. The plan is very, very ancient, and has played itself out across innumerable worlds. We have vast repositories of data to consult when we are faced with any new situation.


We are only messengers of the will of the Earth, the Sun and the Galaxy itself. You have had your time. And now the people of the Earth will be free.


Whether you choose to cooperate or not is up to you. The decision has been made. And so shall it be.


If you let us help you, then you do not need to be harmed. We do not wish to see anyone suffer or experience pain. Our love is freely offered to each and every One."


THE UNDERGROUND BASES

According to our best, most trusted insiders, these same "tree-hugging" ETs have now been clearing out underground facilities around the world. The first two were near Washington, DC and Denver, Colorado.

This occurred on the same day my new book, The Source Field Investigations, was released. This was a great shock to me as the story began coming together over the following weeks.

As I explained in Part One, and as Fulford's sources confirmed, each of these bases were destroyed by an explosive force that caused massive surface earthquakes -- including the largest East Coast earthquake in a century.

These earthquakes had very unusual properties that were identical to what we see after underground nukes have been detonated. However, we also now know that no radiation was involved.


EVERYTHING APPARENTLY GOT PORTALED OUT

Audio recordings of what occurred inside these bases were captured before their destruction.

As a result, the insiders now know that for 24 hours before each of these bases was destroyed, they heard massive sounds of sliding furniture -- and people yelling and screaming.

Part of what is so strange about this is that even tables that were bolted to the floor were unscrewed and removed. All that was left behind was furniture that was broken.

By putting two and two together, it appears that massive portals were created inside these bases. All the materials and all the personnel were pulled out before the first two facilities were destroyed.

The destruction, as I said, was apparently caused by a spontaneous 20-fold increase in air pressure.


SIX MORE BASES WERE SUBSEQUENTLY WIPED OUT

The next reliable piece of information that came in was that the Powers that Were refused to surrender, even after this very impressive show of invincible force.

I have been told that the amount of equipment -- including craft that would have been used to fake an alien invasion -- that was cleared out in the first two events alone was enough to constitute a critical, irreversible defeat for them.

Nonetheless, they still refused to give up. Perhaps they've watched too many sports games and still want to live by the old adage that "it ain't over 'til it's over."

Six additional bases, not restricted to the United States, were then cleared out after the first two.

We do not know when this happened, where it happened, and whether or not they were physically destroyed -- only that all the materials and personnel were removed.


MANY MORE HAVE NOW BEEN CLEARED

Right near the end of September, the next wave occurred -- and this time it was much more significant. I was given an exact number and asked not to repeat it. In order to preserve the integrity and trust of my sources, I will withhold these specifics.

Suffice it to say that within a short period of time, perhaps all in the same day, a significantly larger number of bases were all cleared out.

The reports, again, are the same: audio recordings reveal the sounds of furniture sliding all over the place and people yelling. In this case, the bases are still there, but all the materials, spacecraft, et cetera have all been removed -- except for the broken furniture.

Knowing the extreme integrity and trustworthiness that has been built up with these sources, I was so overwhelmed by this news that I completely "lost it" and burst into tears when I first heard about this.

Part of me lamented for the staff who went through fear and terror as they were pulled into these portals. I am saddened by the fact that so few of them are even aware that this is happening at all... and only find out once it is happening to them.

I also cried tears of relief in knowing that we are truly being guided and protected -- and that the most significant events in thousands of years of this "war" are now happening.


IT WILL PROBABLY BECOME PUBLIC IN STAGES

Bear in mind that the final results of all this "inside" work may not immediately be obvious.

However, these "Asshole Hippies from Outer Space" are making it possible for this international coalition of 80 countries to actually succeed in their efforts.

It seems very unlikely that the bridge detonations will be allowed to occur. The Powers that Were still don't understand that any one plan they have is nothing more than a job application.

Any application that would create too much damage, or give them too much of an unfair advantage, will be rejected.

In order to keep this "illusion" going for so long, the higher forces have been extraordinarily clever at masking their "interventions" so as to make them look like they happened by strictly natural, terrestrial means.

Therefore, I expect we will see some additional drama as the whole financial debacle reaches its apex. At some point, there will most likely be an announcement... and the world will never be the same.

I imagine that there will be a decent bit of time for us to absorb this news before we move on to a full, complete Disclosure... but I will write more about this aspect of the story in later updates.

For now, I want to share with you a transcript, only slightly altered, of the stunning dream that came in from a key staff member.

This person hadn't heard a word about this nine-mile-wide spherical ship that was seen with hundreds of smaller UFOs coming and going from it... nor of the name that some of the old military brass had given to these new people.


THE PROPHETIC DREAM

Here is what I read -- and this is only one of a variety of extremely powerful dreams that have been coming in, suggesting that we are on the threshold of an extremely positive shift:

THE LITTLE UFOS AND THE BIG BALL

We were out in a beautiful natural setting. I saw a little silver thing spinning in the air. At first I thought it was a top, but I then realized it was a weird little UFO.

It flew towards me. About 200 of them came. They were spinning and they were small -- about six to ten inches across. They were spinning and glowing and I realized they were little metal tiny spaceships.

They were pretty – they seemed to have liquid mercury on their skin, and looked like they were somehow alive.

Then there was a big ball that came that was maybe six feet in diameter. It was spinning. It went into the middle of the smaller objects.

It was amazing that none of them ran into each other because there were so many of them. They all started moving together like a school of fish.


THE PERSON IN THE LIGHT

The big one started whirling and turned into a white light. Then the image of a person emerged from the light.

This person was now standing on the land -- and he was obviously an ET. He was really tall. Taller than most people by a foot or two. Maybe seven and a half feet tall.

He had a mane of really wild black hair with fluorescent green feathers sewn into it.

He was wearing this highly futuristic-looking outfit with many small spikes coming off of it, almost like a porcupine. It had fluorescent green and blue colors, tribal style.

He was smiling and standing there. Everyone else was shocked, but I was happy about it. He said hi to me. I ran up to him and hugged him and he smiled at me.

Then, everyone else realized he was safe... and they all started hugging him.

Then he was making weird faces with his face – such as the ability to stretch his skin sideways off of his face. It was kind of gross. I didn’t look at him while he was doing it. He was laughing the whole time.

He wanted to tell people about all kinds of different things – whatever they wanted to know, he answered. How things really worked in the Universe.


THE MURDEROUS EXECUTIVE

Then you and I got into a car with a business executive. He ended up being murderous. He was tall and had sandy blondish-brown hair. It was combed over to the side and he had a lot of hair. He had a blondish-brown corduroy jacket. A muted ochre, not a bright ochre. He had a turtleneck and some slacks.

We were driving in this car and he basically tried to kill us. He wasn’t exactly trying to kill us as much as he had a death wish for himself as well, as he was driving crazy.

He drove into the side of the wall on the road and was smashing his car into whatever, including the car in front of him.

Then we got to a restaurant – a very fancy five-star escargot restaurant. We ditched him, and told him he needed to get the hell away from us, as he was crazy -- he had smashed his car against the side of the wall. Then we hid, afraid he might find us.

Then you decided you wanted to eat at the restaurant anyway. I said we should get away from this murderous, rampaging guy. You said we should still eat out because it was so nice there... so I agreed.

We decided we would not be afraid. We were not going to let this guy run our lives. If he came up to us, we would just tell him no, whatever it was he wanted us to do. No more fear!


QUITE A REMARKABLE MOMENT


So again, I'll repeat the question I started with at the beginning of this article: Do you believe in love, or do you believe in fear?

When this new financial system is announced, will you buy into the mountains of "fear porn" telling you that it is a diabolical plan from hell?

When ETs are announced, will you embrace them as our long-lost brothers and sisters, or think they must be hideous, shape-shifting demons that want to utterly destroy human civilization?

You have a choice about what you will believe and how you will live your life. I put my very best effort into combining 30 years' worth of research together to present my own informed opinion.

The Ebook version is excellent, as the vast majority of the over 1000 academic references in the book are directly linked to websites you can read.

In an Ebook, you can click on the link and it takes you right to the reference section. Then you can click on the website URL and go and read exactly where I got my citations from.

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COME SEE US AT THE NEXT EVENT!

I have several events coming up at the New Life Expo in Manhattan, New York. It's the weekend after this coming weekend... not far away!

You can visit newlifeexpo.com for more information. I will be updating everyone about the latest developments... and much more... in panels, lectures and workshops, the best of which will be on that Monday.

This event is so crowded that I will not have time to meet with anyone in person... it's all I can do to get to and from the stage in one piece. However, the large crowds make for a very exciting and inspiring atmosphere.

We also have an event in Tempe, Arizona on 11/11/11, and another event in Austin the following Spring, as you see on this site.

These are the all-weekend events where you enjoy a full 16-hour presentation, chock full of incredible slides -- where I give the "full cosmic download" of scientific and spiritual research revealing who we are... and where we are going.

I make sure no two are alike, though there are similar points. We are also working out the details for another event that will be at the Keauhou Beach Resort Hotel in Kona, Hawaii, also next Spring, so be on the lookout for that.

I also lead group meditations with Marta Waterman on keyboard strings and nine-time Grammy-winning musician Larry Seyer on guitar. We are now recording these portions of the conferences for distribution, and the first one, entitled "Atlanta Meditations", is now available for 17.77.

Conference ticket sales have been the main thing that keeps us going, so your assistance is greatly appreciated -- and I do make time to greet everyone who comes to the all-weekend events in person.

May we all soon become "Asshole Hippies from Outer Space" for other planets still in need!

http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/981-undergroundbasesnewinfo

[Sirius White]

Haven't read it all.

But it sounds awesome.

I am always of course, cautious and vigilant. I know how these people work, and while I love Wilcock I am unsure if this is the real deal. I do know there are many White Hats working towards this kind of objective....but this news is almost too good to be true.

It reminds me of Benjamin Fullford. He said something similar. Many of his articles are great and give hope. But something also tells me that this "White Dragon Society" isn't necessarily a group of angels either. Remember when the Illuminati wanted to overthrow the Vatican? And what happened? The Illuminati became the oppressors. Or maybe they just got absorbed. Either way remain vigilant of movements that claim to be for the 99%. Don't forget they want to not only destabilize but "destroy" the entire system as well so that they can implement a new one.

That being said I agree with almost all of this. He is 100% right about the "negatives" role in all this. Their role is to SERVE your physical and spiritual evolution. Not to enslave it. The enslavement agenda is a choice that you can choose to reject or go with. To reject is the difficult path, but it is the path that allows the most GROWING. Does this make sense then, that without this kind of epic scenario, humanity would never become the beautiful creatures they are destined (and already are) to become? No fear, no hatred.

Forgive them, for they know not what they do. Forgive them, for they have created the ultimate service to you.

In other parallel eaths, realities we have already fallen to this enslavement agendas (and in others, we are already becoming enlightened). I learned long ago that a great deal of the "negative" beings, whom some called time travellers, actually originate from an alternate universe (similar to our own) and "came back" because the enlightenment on this planet, what we were achieving and would achieve affected "us" in that time vector/continuum. They attempted, through the help of the "elite" who "sold us out" to misguide and mislead our evolution into a certain direction (hence all the transhumanism agendas)....this is also part of the reason, the "good" guys have also stepped in and began to assist us on a level so incredible we cannot even fathom. We are so protected it's not even funny.

They KNOW that doing the work for us is not going to catalyze evolution. But they can intervene in events which are beyond our scope (and that other beings are attempting to violate the law of non-interference) and do so every day. I cannot stress how close to an "end" we have been many times, and we are totally oblivious to it. Hell, even the "elite" helped with this, because lets face it they don't want their own amusement park to be destroyed either. Well folks, the amusement park is getting closed down and we will build something far more amazing than they ever envisioned.

I know there are "good" et's. I am connected and a part of them both spiritually, and in some very distant form- genetically. They have always been present and will continue to be. But do not focus on them, the negs, or even the fear-based agendas.

Remain vigilant. Because the PTB are going to try everything. Including tricking us into believing that suddenly we are occupying wallstreet and its all over! Don't underestimate them either, remember they have remained steps and steps ahead of people for thousands of years. As much as they underestimate us, they do fear us- believe it or not. All I'm saying is yes...be excited for this shift! For people to finally friggin wake up. But be vigilant because sometimes when things are "too good to be true" we have to dig deep and make sure it's not a nice fat steak being dangled in front of us to grab and then be snatched up by the net of the elite :)

Still (as I read more of the hippie assholes from outerspace), this does sound awesome and very truthful. So I will remain positive and hopeful that this is true. Don't let this get your guard down either though...I'm not implying to be afraid or overly cautious. Just don't lose your edge of discernment you've worked so hard to acquire. Focus on this probability and possibility as the truth, but remain aware.
Take care.

[Calz]

Have to love the "Hippies" from space images :hippie:

:rofl:

[KosmicKat]

However difficult you find the rest of David's words to swallow, I hope you will give serious consideration to this one quote:

The truth is that we are living in a holographic, thought-responsive "matrix," built by what I call the Source Field.

and bear in mind that holographic doesn't mean simply a laser projection, but that every fraction of the whole contains enough information to reconstruct the whole.

[ThePythonicCow]

My (cynical) view is that Wilcock is (probably unwittingly) showing us the hand of the Banksters ... the same powers who have been top dog on this planet for some time now. The Banksters are steering us toward replacing the US Dollar with a world currency supposedly based on a basket of commodities, in which other major nations, including the BRIC nations and many others, have an apparently larger say.

Nevermind that these Banksters have much say in the major decisions of those BRIC and many other nations ;). Nevermind that the apparent basis of the currency on a basket of commodities will in the long run be worth as much as the apparent basis the US Dollar had in gold.

So long as we continue to run this civilization on petro-based energy and economics of scarcity, it doesn't matter what color the currency is; it is corrupt, and will grow increasingly corrupt over time.

In the short term (next couple of years) this means to me, as someone living in the US with US Dollar denominated income and savings, that the international trade value of the US Dollar will take a major hit. I continue to stock up on any durable foreign goods that I anticipate needing for the forseeable future.

Other major economic, financial, monetary, political and (unfortunately) military events will have to unfold over the next year or two, to bring other people along this path. Not everyone follows Wilcock ;).

[Calz]

What came to mind when I read the passage below was the famous photo(s) of "flower children" peace protesters of the late 60's Vietnam era who would put flowers into the rifles of the military/police.


Apparently, what pisses them off the most is that their underground bases are now being wiped out, in ever-increasing numbers, by people who speak softly of love and peace, keep trying to get them to open their hearts, but are also refusing to take no for an answer.

It's literally the equivalent of their greatest, most secure blast doors in the deepest underground bunkers being torn open... and then in walks a bunch of Greenpeace, earth-loving, blissed-out, attractive, young-looking humans who speak to them like they were children.


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Anyway ... surprised not to see more comments by now (of course 2 were added while I was posting this).

Still no "solid proof" regarding the bases ... but rather a provocative article I thought. One would think there would be a few amateur star watcher photos if there was a 9 or 10 mile craft floating around up there?

[kevlar]

Dear all ,
I have been a fan of Wilcock maybe 2 years and recently have also become intersested in the work of
Dr. Georgi Stankov. In his latest post,
The Ultimate Scientific Proof For the Accuracy of the Ascension-Date at the Stargate 11.11.11 (http://www.stankovuniversallaw.com/breaking-astral-news/theultimatescientificprooffortheaccuracyoftheascension-dateatthestargate111111)
he says

"Therefore, forget all indignant Steve Beckows - they are well placed in the company of avaricious Reptilians. Forget also Wilcock and Co, who have never bothered to reflect on the nature of space-time and produce a decent scientific concept in their whole life. If you follow such false prophets, it is your fault. You will be also dumbed down. This is the sad reality on this planet, and the only way out of it, is to realize this deplorable truth. Any kind of false indignation on the part of the ego is completely wrong at this place. Change your ego first and then start thinking in correct scientific terms. "

Any thoughts?

Love kevlar

[Calz]

My (cynical) view is that Wilcock is (probably unwittingly) showing us the hand of the Banksters ...

(snip)

Not everyone follows Wilcock ;).

Could well be correct Paul.

Somewhat baffling he can put together such solid information as with his just published book ... yet make claims like this based only on his "sources".

Who knows ... should be finding out before too long (about a lot of things).

I can't help but feel he truly believes what he is presenting and don't believe his is willingly playing any part in disinformation. Whether or not that translates into "truth" remains to be seen.

IMHO

[steveofengland]

So the guy is selling books? That's all I'm saying.

[Calz]

So the guy is selling books? That's all I'm saying.

Amazing book ... money *very well spent*.

:nerd:

[steveofengland]

I just don't get why people who have this message need to profit from it? Did you ever hear of jesus doing stuff like that. If it can be proved that the publication being sold is not making someone a fat profit, I'd buy it. Don't get me wrong he sounds sensible enough to me and the theory feasable but then you get hit with the "and now buy my book" sentiment.
With things the way they are I'd rather spend the money on things I can feed my family or that will be more use. If the contents of his book were what we needed to hear, he could just put it all down on a website?
I thiink I'm a bit grumpy today, I'm sorry I don't want to sound mean spirited.
Much love.

[Calz]

Profit ... has been coming up a lot in many threads.

A surprising amount of people seem to feel that, as an example only, the several *months* of work going to put out a book such as this one ... should be free and available to all. Information ... why pay???

Well ... won't tell anyone what I made in compensation for the last several months of work ... but it (along with my wife's pay) sure helped to pay for our home, food, transportation, utilities ... etc etc).

Good thing I didn't go into the "information sharing" field ... I would be living in a box (if still alive for lack of food and heat/cooling).

Anyway ... (still a head scratcher for me ... sorry) ... DW spent many years towards the bottom of the income brackets. He gives away a great deal of his work (read as *time*) for free (example this article).

Exchange of energies ... balance ...

He now has television appearances and coming movie. I expect he would do just fine without whatever income he makes from this book.

Let's see ... want to break down what professional atheletes make in *several months*???

Enough ... the distrust any source if there is money involved in exchange for their time putting together such information doesn't always work.

In some cases ... yes follow the money ... but use some common sense as well people.

[cloud9]

Have to love the "Hippies" from space images :hippie:

:rofl:

Where can I find the pictures?
Thank you

[Calz]

Have to love the "Hippies" from space images :hippie:

:rofl:

Where can I find the pictures?
Thank you

Images in the "mind's eye" while reading ...

[truthseekerdan]

Have to love the "Hippies" from space images :hippie:

:rofl:

Where can I find the pictures?
Thank you

http://committeeofpublicsafety.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/spacehippies.jpg

Source: http://www.onedigitallife.com/2004/09/15/space-hippies-take-over-the-enterprise/

[Billy]

I do like David and believe his heart is for the betterment of humanity and the earth. As always the proof will be in the pudding when ever we get to taste it, will we ever see confirmation of the destuction of so many bases, i doubt it, until then i live with an open mind and heart, hopefully for David the pudding will not be humble pie.

The Hippies from outerspace made me smile. It reminded me of this song.

We are stardust, we are golden, we are caught in the devil's bargain,
And we got to get ourselves back to the garden.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrWNTqbLFFE

And this


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muMcWMKPEWQ

[Calz]

Have to love the "Hippies" from space images :hippie:

:rofl:

Where can I find the pictures?
Thank you

http://committeeofpublicsafety.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/spacehippies.jpg

Source: http://www.onedigitallife.com/2004/09/15/space-hippies-take-over-the-enterprise/

Fascinating

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[Calz]

I do like David and believe his heart is for the betterment of humanity and the earth. As always the proof will be in the pudding when ever we get to taste it, will we ever see confirmation of the destuction of so many bases, i doubt it, until then i live with an open mind and heart, hopefully for David the pudding will not be humble pie.

The Hippies from outerspace made me smile. It reminded me of this song.

We are stardust, we are golden, we are caught in the devil's bargain,
And we got to get ourselves back to the garden.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrWNTqbLFFE


Thanks for the tune ... great album :music:

I think if the bases were taken out at some point it will be public information.

Me thinks the "Hippies from Space" would want it that way ...

[Carmody]

I just don't get why people who have this message need to profit from it? Did you ever hear of jesus doing stuff like that. If it can be proved that the publication being sold is not making someone a fat profit, I'd buy it. Don't get me wrong he sounds sensible enough to me and the theory feasable but then you get hit with the "and now buy my book" sentiment.
With things the way they are I'd rather spend the money on things I can feed my family or that will be more use. If the contents of his book were what we needed to hear, he could just put it all down on a website?
I thiink I'm a bit grumpy today, I'm sorry I don't want to sound mean spirited.
Much love.

SOMEBODY fed, clothed, and housed Jesus. He did not go out and dig ditches, did he? someone and likely a group, fed and supported him.

Now, what's the difference here, today?

Meaning, why can't someone exchange 'credits' for their 'works?'.... when ole' Jesus did the same?

I very seriously doubt that David is running around and buying Ferarri's with some clutched bits of money. The publishing business is not that good. In the best of circumstances he's probably able to make ends meet, and not much beyond that. If he managed to get enough out if it to buy a house or a new car for his works, then --- good for him.

[lslimerick]

I like DW - I like how he can take a subject and make the simplest of minds comprehend topics - but is it just me or is this latest update - which has had quite a build up to it - a little weak? There is really nothing in it - AT ALL - he has being so excited and so busy the last week and would come back and update, but basically, there is nothing new here......even when he adds his employees dream - I dont know about you, but where was that going?

Hippies in the sky - even that I have a hard time with - really the military are dealing with advanced civilizations and some of our high ranking/black project military personnel are pretty smart, they would describe them as hippies - this one for ME, its a bit of hollywood - albeit elements I am sure of truth......I get your selling and promoting your book, no issue with that at all - but you ended one of you most important messages with an a netcommercial????? Maybe its just me.

There is no doubt for me, things are changing, one can fell it and there is finally some evidence - people are waking up, even the US's newest Iran fairytale is being laughed off - but I am beginning to think some of these messages are wishy wash....

[scootiep]

Lay off David - the man needs money to survive in the system we are in, I think he is doing a great job - his messages are always positive.

I think there are many people on here addicted to fear porn and when some good news comes on the horizon they always seem to lash out at it.

Give him a break and look at all of the FREE information he is putting out there

[eaglespirit]

We...each One of Us...Must still do the higher work in front of us through are very own volition regardless of how the 'higher'(us extension) is playing out and panning out...and it is happening because now is like no other time, imho!

Whether it be Bill or David or Benjamin or Whoever that is sharing their work and story and research and connections...it is still an individual matter...and the ptb do not like us acting individually together in a unified selfless manner to help these changes for the good come to fruition... the good YOU decide to think and act on!

And keep in mind this is an internet forum and some interesting things are continually being posted by some interesting members that have some interesting agendas.

[aranuk]

Hi Calz sometimes your posts are so clear headed that I'm well impressed, as of this one. :cool:

Stan

[Billy]

I thiink I'm a bit grumpy today, I'm sorry I don't want to sound mean spirited.
Much love.

Jesus was born into a very wealthy family, He travelled the world learning and teaching. He had no reason to earn as he was looked after.
David has to earn so he can travel, do conferences find accomodation and share what knowledge and understanding he has.

I hope you are not so grumpy now Steve, :-)

[hardrock]

I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer, but this new economic system intrigues me... Hasn't China scooped up most of the world's mineral deposit rights and corporations. This sounds like it would make them the richest country in the world, if true. How do we know that this isn't some scheme to transfer power completely to these other 3-5 superpowers and that the world would be a significantly better place? We need more details.

[ceetee9]

I like David Wilcock as well, but I'm sorry when I see statements like:
Collectively, world governments are becoming aware that they have been manipulated and lied to.
Huh? It is the world governments who have been manipulating and lying to us. Assuming they are taking their marching orders from TPTB, are we seriously to believe that they had no clue that they might be manipulated and lied to? I mean, I know our leaders are inept, but they can't be that stupid.

Many, if not most elected officials are terrified of these hidden powers. They have been vigorously threatened with fates far worse than death -- witnessing the gruesome results firsthand -- if they should ever dare to oppose the Old World Order.

Russia, China, Brazil and India bravely led the charge with the BRIC alliance, which became BRICS when South Africa signed on. From this seed, we now have a massive international coalition involving the leaders of over 80 nations -- and it's growing by the day. Perhaps the BRICS leaders didn't get the memo that they should be terrified of these hidden powers.

Together, these nations have formed a new alliance for justice. Their most important and significant goal is to utterly crush the ability to create money out of thin air. All currencies will soon be backed by tangible assets, such as precious metals and other commodities.

This plan was devised by people who had worked within the old system at a very high level, and have since broken away. (I cannot go into greater specifics at this time.) They knew exactly what the biggest problems were -- and what we need to do in order to fix them.I see, the very people who have been screwing us for decades have miraculously seen the errors of their ways and now want to help us by ushering in a currency system that is backed by "tangible assets" like precious metals, etc. And we're suppose to just accept this on face value? The only reason why anything has "tangible" value is because someone has told us it has value and we accept it. You know, kinda like the US dollar which is backed by nothing. The only things that have true value are food, water and air. These things no one can survive without. We can't eat or breath precious metals. Nevermind the fact that we must still entrust this "new economic system" to some "authority" who will "guarantee" us that there is plenty of gold (or whatever) to back up the monetary system du jour. Sounds to me like same game, different day.

In the new system, if you have 20 dollars -- either in cash or in your bank account -- you can visit any one of a variety of warehouses storing materials and goods, and withdraw 20 dollars' worth of assets from the warehouse.Does this sound any different than what we have today to anyone? It's called going to the store and buying what you need.

This might not sound any different than going to the grocery store, but the difference is extremely substantial. No currency in the world will be issued unless it has the direct backing of hard assets -- held in storage as collateral against the value of the money.

This is not unlike the idea of a Gold Standard -- and in fact, gold will be one of the precious metals held in storage -- but there is not enough gold to run the world's financial systems appropriately at this point. That problem will only intensify as growth continues.

It is very important that all money is tied in with real things: stuff that actually exists, has real value, and sits in a warehouse somewhere, so that anyone who uses the money can turn in their cash for it.

Technically, the term I heard is that every financial system in the world will be "tethered to a basket of commodities."

This one simple move will utterly crush the Illuminati and all other shadow factions. The playing field will finally be leveled.

Legitimate wealth, such as what ordinary people or even most well-to-do people have in the bank, will not be affected by this change.

If you have money in the bank, those assets will still be yours when the changeover is made -- except they will soon have a lot more purchasing power than they did before in the old, corrupt system.

All of this is but a brief transitional phase as we move into what will ultimately be a moneyless system... as I will explain in Part Three.
How does this system change anything? As he points out, the problem will intensify with growth. So unless we limit growth (i.e., reduce population or keep it static), inflation will occur as you have more people with less money going around vying for the same "warehoused" goods. Further, he gives no explanation as to how this will "crush the Illuminati" (who, ostensibly, have great wealth) while we get to keep our wealth (or lack thereof) and are unaffected. And then he goes on to say our money will have more purchasing power. How does that happen?
But the real piece de resistance is given by the last line (i.e., all of this is transitional phase before we will move into a moneyless system). Yeah, right. Not only will we no longer have any "tangible" object (i.e., paper money) to trade for goods and services, but we'll be able to completely trust the intangible accounting of the banksters and their computer systems to manage our "moneyless system." I mean, we all know how trustworthy the banks, wall street, etc. have been and there certainly aren't any nefarious programmers out there who might "tweak" the software that controls everything. I feel better all ready. How about you?

I could go on and on, but you get my drift. This whole thing smells very suspicious to me. Kinda like, oh, NEW WORLD ORDER!!!

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Do I jump in or not? Why not - here goes.

Yes David's messages are always hopeful. Yes David has accumulated lots of knowledge. Yes David has many contacts. Yes David has made a good income off of the above (not saying that's right or wrong). And Yes, David has displayed a great deal of ego, although I have noticed he has also made great efforts of late to pull it back.

I haven't kept track of David's predictions, but I have seen many not materialize, but then he tweaks them by saying something like: First info wasn't entirely correct but since has gotten more clarification.

I suspect, like many of us, David has developed more psychic abilities than the average. What I do know from personal experience is that when one begins to believe they are smarter or more psychic than others or become too egotistical that their abilities begin to atrophied. I also notice that it is very easy to get pulled into our own stories by weaving with others of same mindset and feeding off of each other. Not saying any of this is or isn't true of David.

Just saying Look Both Ways Before crossing the Street and don't get too caught up in the Drama of the incoming Traffic.

[truthseekerdan]

Jesus was born into a very wealthy family, He travelled the world learning and teaching. He had no reason to earn as he was looked after.


My friend, I believe that you are confusing Jesus with Buddha (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddha) here... :nod:

[gooty64]

Two votes here from Minnesota for David Wilcock's sincerity.
I asked my friend about David Wilcock recently. My friend is a scientific hardcore guy in his 60's with a PHD studying nutrition, astrology and the occult for 40 plus years.
He scours everything with a fine tooth come. He says Wilcock is the "real deal" and that it is also true that Wilcock is the re-incarnation of Edgar Cayce.

This article, if mostly accurate, indicates we are in the throes of the "shift".

PS I am feeling just a bit uneasy knowing that both Bill and Kerry are going to be out of the United States for quite a while. Bill moved to Vilcam......, and Kerry posted on her blog to be overseas from Oct. 15th for a month+.

Hmmmm...... Anybody want to put me and Otis up in a safer country up for the winter? signed, Gooty and Otis. ps I don't each much but I can't speak for Otis-he's 4 months

[Lost Soul]

Wilcox makes a very good point in calling them The Powers that Were. We should do the same. As Webot founder Cliff High cautions, be selective of the words you use as it empowers or dis-empowers something. We should always refer them as Wilcox did, TPTW. It's certainly an easier adaption to our vernacular than Was-Weres (WW).

[shamanseeker]

Hi SteveofEngland,
I read about this on Wilcock's site a couple of days ago after seeing the link on Inelia's facebook page. I didn't have to pay for this extensive information that took a long time to read!
If I hadn't been drawn to David Icke's book in the bookshop one day, I would never have known anything about the real history of the world and what's going on. I'm beginning to think that to be totally skeptical is as limiting as being totally naive. Maybe you should do a bit of research before coming out with generalisations like this?

[araucaria]

I too like David Wilcock, but sometimes I feel that if I were a first-class devil feeling particularly diabolical, I might incarnate as someone like him :cool:

Actually, it doesn't really matter, because when Shakespeare said 'all the world's a stage', he was thinking of Othello and Iago downing a pint of ale together after the performance.

[shamanseeker]

Hi, nobody has mentioned in this thread that these countries are working against the leaders of the G5 nations, Britain, the U.S., France, Germany and Italy. These are the people mainly responsible for the underground bases and the incoming NWO. The other countries are cheesed off because up until now they have been receiving worthless, unbacked paper money from these nations. They have had enough and have told the U.S. that they don't want their money any more. This is why they've invaded Libya: Ghaddafi said he wasn't willing to accept this money any more. The Japanese did the same and look what happened there recently and after the event they were threatened with a nuclear incident in the Tokyo area. The massacre in Norway is another example. Go and read the article on David's site. It is a lot more complex than seems in this thread. Fulford also claims that the people in the Pentagon are working against these people and that there are plans to arrest Bush snr, jnr, Blair, Kissinger, Rumsfeld, etc. as soon as they are able. I don't know if this is exact but even David Wilcock is saying not to post the article because it is being constantly updated. I do, hope, though that this is what is really happening and it does seem to fit in with the fact that we should be entering a new Golden Age if we are on the positive timeline.

[aranuk]

I read the DW article. I wish.


Stan

[Billy]

Jesus was born into a very wealthy family, He travelled the world learning and teaching. He had no reason to earn as he was looked after.


My friend, I believe that you are confusing Jesus with Buddha (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddha) here... :nod:

No confusion my friend.

[eaglespirit]

Technically, the term I heard is that every financial system in the world will be "tethered to a basket of commodities."

This one simple move will utterly crush the Illuminati and all other shadow factions. The playing field will finally be leveled.

Legitimate wealth, such as what ordinary people or even most well-to-do people have in the bank, will not be affected by this change.

If you have money in the bank, those assets will still be yours when the changeover is made -- except they will soon have a lot more purchasing power than they did before in the old, corrupt system.

All of this is but a brief transitional phase as we move into what will ultimately be a moneyless system... as I will explain in Part Three.


How does this system change anything? As he points out, the problem will intensify with growth. So unless we limit growth (i.e., reduce population or keep it static), inflation will occur as you have more people with less money going around vying for the same "warehoused" goods. Further, he gives no explanation as to how this will "crush the Illuminati" (who, ostensibly, have great wealth) while we get to keep our wealth (or lack thereof) and are unaffected. And then he goes on to say our money will have more purchasing power. How does that happen?
But the real piece de resistance is given by the last line (i.e., all of this is transitional phase before we will move into a moneyless system). Yeah, right. Not only will we no longer have any "tangible" object (i.e., paper money) to trade for goods and services, but we'll be able to completely trust the intangible accounting of the banksters and their computer systems to manage our "moneyless system." I mean, we all know how trustworthy the banks, wall street, etc. have been and there certainly aren't any nefarious programmers out there who might "tweak" the software that controls everything. I feel better all ready. How about you?

I could go on and on, but you get my drift. This whole thing smells very suspicious to me. Kinda like, oh, NEW WORLD ORDER!!!

All of this is but a brief transitional phase as we move into what will ultimately be a moneyless system... as I will explain in Part Three.

Michael Tellinger... Contributionism, For Instance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsGtTdjGVa4

This IS Going To Happen! A Transition WILL Take Place!

[norman]

I love good news!.............

I don't absolutely believe David is spot on with his grasp of things but I need guys like him in my life to out weigh the apathetic ( at best ) and head'down ignoramuses that suck the life out of me here.

I did something very wacky last Friday night. I went down to my local working men's club ( for the first time in over a year ), waited until the "serious" crew were still left over after closing time, asked the landlord for a quote to buy everyone in the place a free drink, handed over the money, and waited a few minutes until it was time to make a short speech.

I announced to everyone there that the fight back has really begun. I told them at least 2 underground bunkers that the world's crooked elite were going to shelter in while we all caught a pandemic cold have been thoroughly NUKED!.

Not one cheer from the audience. Most didn't even get it. 1 young lad just said, "so will this soon be on the Discovery Channel?"

I was chuffed to even be able to walk in there and tell the good news. I didn't feel dependent on a roaring response. Nor did I get one.

One of 2 reasons I did it was because I know there are few keen Freemasons in there on a Friday night, and there were, so I could give them something to check out later. The other reason was simply to celebrate something actually worth celebrating for a change. They like a good excuse to celebrate in that place. Usually it's about who won a football trophy, but I felt compelled to stick a bit of the big picture in their faces. Maybe they will gradually get the idea.

I know a 'working men's club' in the north east of England might not seem very relevant to many of you, but, I feel very strongly that those places are the heart and soul of the real world. When those guys "get-it" you know it's going to happen.

[Lost Soul]

So the guy is selling books? That's all I'm saying.

There is nothing wrong with supporting oneself or try to recoup one's living expenses. It is certainly better to be able to do that than be dependent on the state. The latter involves a victim mindset that is warned about in Handbook for a New Paradigm (published by George Green). Jordan Maxwell is another noted and well respected researcher yet he cannot make a living through his research. Ditto with Red Elk.

[sygh]

Have to love the "Hippies" from space images :hippie:

:rofl:

Where can I find the pictures?
Thank you

http://committeeofpublicsafety.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/spacehippies.jpg

Source: http://www.onedigitallife.com/2004/09/15/space-hippies-take-over-the-enterprise/

Hahahahahahahhahaaaaaaa Frickin' space hippies!!!! Bwahahaha!! It was just a Star Trek rerun.

But seriously, we already are running our economy on a basket of commodities. And we all should know darned well that the American economy was purposely sunk for profit and the NWO. We lived it. Now we're getting it sold to us.

It may look like the NWO, smell like the NWO, and taste just like the NWO, but it's not, it's:

"I Can't Believe Its Not The NWO!"

[stegosaur]

Isn't it possible that Wilcock is being duped by his 'sources' ?

Consider this: TPTB know that within the last 10-20 years their plot to achieve world domination through some type of doomsday mechanism (e.g. fake alien invasion, nuclear war, manufactured 'natural' disasters etc.) has entered into the public domain. Now, obviously everything is done to deride this people as crazy conspiracy theorists who walk around all day in tinfoil hats. So they've succeeded in containing this knowledge to a small percentage of the population.

But the fact of the matter is, once they initiate their doomsday mechanism there will be a contingent of people who actually know what is going on - and that could ruin everything. If they just round these people up, well that would legitimize everything to the non-believers. So wouldn't it be a stroke of brilliance if they lulled the awake ones into thinking 'o hey, this isn't part of the fake invasion, those are the benevolent space hippie ETs!'

Because everything that Wilcock just described is exactly what the NWO calls for: a world without currency and the introduction of ETs. And we're supposed to let our guard down because a guy, with a blog and a couple of sources says so?

[truth4me]

I want to believe.....I truly do.....I will say this,the hippies from outer space just might be real.........Ever notice the pictures of Pleadian men have longer hair and beards kinda like hippies....

[Sesan]

Lay off David - the man needs money to survive in the system we are in, I think he is doing a great job - his messages are always positive.

I think there are many people on here addicted to fear porn and when some good news comes on the horizon they always seem to lash out at it.

Give him a break and look at all of the FREE information he is putting out there

Well said scootiep!

[gooty64]

Isn't it possible that Wilcock is being duped by his 'sources' ?

Consider this: TPTB know that within the last 10-20 years their plot to achieve world domination through some type of doomsday mechanism (e.g. fake alien invasion, nuclear war, manufactured 'natural' disasters etc.) has entered into the public domain. Now, obviously everything is done to deride this people as crazy conspiracy theorists who walk around all day in tinfoil hats. So they've succeeded in containing this knowledge to a small percentage of the population.

But the fact of the matter is, once they initiate their doomsday mechanism there will be a contingent of people who actually know what is going on - and that could ruin everything. If they just round these people up, well that would legitimize everything to the non-believers. So wouldn't it be a stroke of brilliance if they lulled the awake ones into thinking 'o hey, this isn't part of the fake invasion, those are the benevolent space hippie ETs!'

Because everything that Wilcock just described is exactly what the NWO calls for: a world without currency and the introduction of ETs. And we're supposed to let our guard down because a guy, with a blog and a couple of sources says so?

Maybe stegoosaur you should do a little less typing and a lot more research!
PS my dog can kick your dogs ass to the dark side of the moon!

[apokalypse]

So the guy is selling books? That's all I'm saying.

money worth...

[Kimberley]

Hey my brothers and sisters...

I love us all and am so grateful to be here now on this planet and in communion with us all!!!

PLEASE PLEASE REMEMBER how powerful YOU ARE!!!

Be the change you want to see in the world!!

You have the choice of Love or fear in each moment and what you choose is what you get...

what you see is what you get!!!

Much love to us ALL!! :luv:

[Kimberley]

Wilcox makes a very good point in calling them The Powers that Were. We should do the same. As Webot founder Cliff High cautions, be selective of the words you use as it empowers or dis-empowers something. We should always refer them as Wilcox did, TPTW. It's certainly an easier adaption to our vernacular than Was-Weres (WW).

I think an even more powerful co-creative energy is instead of referring to "The powers that were" Is to refer to "those that have lost all power" :luv:

[onawah]

As David Wilcock put it (and I think it's worth repeating, whatever you may think of him):
"WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE?

Do you believe in love, or do you believe in fear?

If you do believe in love, do you also believe in a Higher Power in the universe?

Is this an abstract concept in your mind, or do you see that it also has practical realization in the events that take place on Earth day after day?

Which of these two realities do you feed... with your thoughts and beliefs... and the energies they in turn create?

Do you see life on Earth as subject to random catastrophes beyond your control, and enslavement by shadowy negative forces pulling the marionette strings of elected governments?

Or, do you believe that everything in life has Purpose -- even if it is not always obvious?

Could this Purpose be carefully maintained by entities vastly more evolved than those zipping around in UFOs and visiting us from other worlds? "

What we believe is important.
It determines what we create in our lives and in the world.
IMHO:
It is possible to believe in the good without being naive.
It is possible to have faith without being gullible.
It is possible to arrive at understanding without being misled.
It is possible to be wise without being cynical.
It is possible to be optimistic without being brainwashed.

When we look at the history of this planet as a school of 3D experiencing, and at the efforts that have been made to preserve it, both as a school and as a platform for graduating to the next level, it is possible to choose to believe that we have been and will continue to be nothing but slaves and dupes...
Or it is possible to believe that Gaia and those of us who have elected to continue our journey with her have completed our 3D lessons and are now ready to take our place in a larger society of galactic scope.

There are those who will not believe that any such graduation is taking place, and for them, that may actually be so.
They may simply be moving on to another school of 3D experiencing, having been here only to witness and to be seed bearers for what is yet to be in their far future.
That is as it must be in this Universe of evolutionary stages.

What you have experienced shapes what you believe, just as what you believe shapes what you create for your experiencing.

I believe that "everything in life has Purpose -- even if it is not always obvious".
Though the story that has unfolded thanks to David Wilcock and various other witnesses, whistleblowers, insiders and players has not unfolded in an obvious, front page newspaper kind of way (how could it have?), I believe there is truth in it.
Even if it hasn't unfolded completely as reported, if enough people have a strong enough intention and belief that it will unfold in a similar way, with a similar outcome, then I think it will.
If enough of us are powerful enough creators, ready to take our next step up into a new level of growth and experiencing.
And I think we are.

[noprophet]

As long as we're hypothetical...

Wouldn't it be wild if there was a 4th dimensional harmonic rising from the inner earth and it had just reached the majority of underground bases causing the un-tempered fears of those currently employed [at said bases] to manifest instantaneously resulting in what appears to be a mass coordinated strike against these facilities.

(Like Sphere :P)

[Calz]

Revenge of the Space Hippies :hippie:

OMG - you can find *anything* with a seach :haha:


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I even found a photo of the 10 mile wide Mothership!!!


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[Camilo]

It's easy for people to judge and/or criticise others, when you are not the one investing such amount of work and effort to put all these material together and make it understandable to the regular average person.

[Erich]

Have to love the "Hippies" from space images :hippie:

:rofl:

Yes, I definitely would like to be an asshole hippie from outer space.

[Erich]

I just don't get why people who have this message need to profit from it? Did you ever hear of jesus doing stuff like that. If it can be proved that the publication being sold is not making someone a fat profit, I'd buy it. Don't get me wrong he sounds sensible enough to me and the theory feasable but then you get hit with the "and now buy my book" sentiment.
With things the way they are I'd rather spend the money on things I can feed my family or that will be more use. If the contents of his book were what we needed to hear, he could just put it all down on a website?
I thiink I'm a bit grumpy today, I'm sorry I don't want to sound mean spirited.
Much love.

SOMEBODY fed, clothed, and housed Jesus. He did not go out and dig ditches, did he? someone and likely a group, fed and supported him.

Now, what's the difference here, today?

Meaning, why can't someone exchange 'credits' for their 'works?'.... when ole' Jesus did the same?

I very seriously doubt that David is running around and buying Ferarri's with some clutched bits of money. The publishing business is not that good. In the best of circumstances he's probably able to make ends meet, and not much beyond that. If he managed to get enough out if it to buy a house or a new car for his works, then --- good for him.

Yes, yes. I can support this idea of making money (or not) from books. I make a living from mystery novels and I can tell you the system is set-up for the publisher to make lots of money and for the writer to make a very small amount. No one here should be surprised. Even a book on the NY Times best seller might only earn 10 or 20 thousand dollars for the author. Having said that he should still give the E book away for free.

[stegosaur]

Isn't it possible that Wilcock is being duped by his 'sources' ?

Consider this: TPTB know that within the last 10-20 years their plot to achieve world domination through some type of doomsday mechanism (e.g. fake alien invasion, nuclear war, manufactured 'natural' disasters etc.) has entered into the public domain. Now, obviously everything is done to deride this people as crazy conspiracy theorists who walk around all day in tinfoil hats. So they've succeeded in containing this knowledge to a small percentage of the population.

But the fact of the matter is, once they initiate their doomsday mechanism there will be a contingent of people who actually know what is going on - and that could ruin everything. If they just round these people up, well that would legitimize everything to the non-believers. So wouldn't it be a stroke of brilliance if they lulled the awake ones into thinking 'o hey, this isn't part of the fake invasion, those are the benevolent space hippie ETs!'

Because everything that Wilcock just described is exactly what the NWO calls for: a world without currency and the introduction of ETs. And we're supposed to let our guard down because a guy, with a blog and a couple of sources says so?

Maybe stegoosaur you should do a little less typing and a lot more research!
PS my dog can kick your dogs ass to the dark side of the moon!

So what specifically does Wilcock say that has you so convinced this is what is actually happening?

My point was, he may be getting this information from actual sources in actual positions of power. BUT they might be purposely feeding him disinfo to try and lull the alternative community into thinking 'all clear' when it's just the opposite. I mean after the whole Charles fiasco, I don' think it's too unreasonably to be suspicious of the information that's fed to the alternative community via insider sources.

And yes, just about anything could kick my dog's ass. He's a lover not a fighter! (i.e. a big baby!)

[sygh]

I like David, don't get me wrong, he's a real trooper and we shouldn't put him down but I don't think he'd mind us having a little fun. Really, the hippies from space comment is more than I can take, which doesn't mean someone didn't say it.

Here's where I stumble:

]"WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE?

Do you believe in love, or do you believe in fear?

If you do believe in love, do you also believe in a Higher Power in the universe[/COLOR]?

So, if I don't automatically jump on the I believe what you are telling me is true, I automatically don't believe in love? And without this love, I cannot begin to understand a Higher Power in the universe?

Yes, of course, he's writing, trying to convey, in his own blog, a message to those who would read it. I just don't like being led down the path by my nose, ya know?

As to his sincerity, I actually believe David Wilcox is most sincere. I have a lot of respect for his work, especially when it comes to alien disclosure.

[Ol' Roy]

Kudos to the Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young song "We are Stardust" song. They were visionaries back in the 70's, and still are.

My 26 year old daughter still listen's to there music. It transcends time. She is an 'old soul'

of course.

As to David Wilcock, I believe that his ultimate message is trying to raise the vibration of this planet. A little ego envolved. But am trying to overlook it. Take what you can out of the message, and leave the rest behind.

As for him trying to make money off of this, if you really, really believe that it is taking food out of your childrens mouths, don't do it. You will be able to to pick up bits and pieces along the way. But if you believe like me, that just taking one bit of info from his book could feed your family for a year, might be worth an investment. So be it! 20 some $ that might give you a heads up! Why not! I'm on a fixed income and have to count my penny's to.

It is no admonishment for those, who believe that this info should be free. David does give out a lot of free info. Just as Bill Ryan in his tread abot Carole Clarke says, this women deserves the right to make a living. She is not really overcharging. I recieved something today in the mail. One pyysic charged $500 for a 20 minute reading. If I can get just one snippet of info from a 30 minute reading that would enrich my life, it would be well worth it. I am 60 years old and still searching for what my mission in life is. I need say no more.

Thanks to all of you for your input.

Take care,
O'Roy

[etheric underground]

David is connected to more than we know ...
But being connected through his wisdom and insider
information, we too are connected to all there is.
Thanks D.W love your work my brother from another mother.

[Dawn]

Gawd I love this forum... and every response here! It is fun to imagine the future and argue about it before it really happens isn't it?

Meanwhile the weather here is balmy and the air feels soft. The night is here and there is a 'nearly full' waning moon outside. The fall lettuce sprouts came up today.

I am so filled with love and gratitude for it all. Including the wonderful posts here... all of it.

The drama, the love, the life and the gift of experiencing it all.

What ever comes, I know I will breath with it and balance with it, and experience it. That is life in the 3D world. Change always happens and is usually exciting, but for now I have the soft warm night, and all of your wonderful comments. Thank all of you for sharing yourselves.

[jcocks]

You do know that, when TPTW collapse this system, they'll go down with it, don't you? THAT will be *our* chance to bring in something that works. It will require a co-ordinated effort on multiple fronts to get it done fast enough so that TPTW don't have time to recover. I'm even betting that the "space-hippies" will help out here either behind-the-scenes, or in a very public way...

That's what this is all about - making sure that *we* are in a position to make full use of the opportunity that will soon be given to us. My belieef is that things will pick up pace dramatically soon, especially once tptw start to really bring the system down. Everyone in the know understands that tptw aren't going to just give their power away - they'll stop at nothing to hold on to it. Things are going to have to move at a dizzying pace to ensure this cant happen.

I also don't believe for a minute that china et al are to be trusted to help bring in this system. Under them, we'd just end up with an expansion of the free-market dictatorship they already have going in China now... The friendlies up there may well be working with them to do this, but they understand this as well - there's some underhandedness still occurring and the underlying reasons are for our best interests. they won't let the chinese have any semblance of control over this. It's a new paradigm under which we the citizens have ultimate control and we the citizens ultimately decide who is to be trusted to run our national administrations.

in this system :

National administrations never infringe on the sovereignty of the individual
Planetary administrations never infringe on the sovereignty of nations
And interplanetary administrations never infringe on the sovereignty of planetary populations

I might be wrong, but I hope not. The new systems that will be put in place will bear no resemblance to the systems of old.

We have *NO* idea. It goes *MUCH* further than we can imagine.

Once we have these systems in place, it will be time for our education and our introduction to the galaxy at large.

The only question remaining is : Who will be our Vulcans?

[Calz]

The only question remaining is : Who will be our Vulcans?

Spock is all over it.

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On a more serious note ... if the whole transfer over to a new monetary system is, indeed, to be in place and agreed upon ... then the PTB/W may be out of the loop for their long planned "collapse".

Regardless of whether this is true, false, or a shade of grey ... best to have several weeks (or months) of necessities on hand to enable being relaxed while riding out the storm of the transition period.

There does seem to be a lot coming together now.

Stay positive and hope for (create) the best ... but prepare for the worst.

Not as paradoxical as that may sound.

IMHO

[ViralSpiral]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/bt_assets/system/idea_thumbnails/38195/original/800px-Divide-and-conquer.jpg?1304423262




Now THERE'S a book worth investing in....... ;)


As with all else, there will always be left and right, black or white. Opinions matter though, as through others', I discern and learn.


Now 'scuse me, I have a few joints to roll for my expected visitors...


:cool:

[Calz]

As with all else, there will always be left and right, black or white.

There you go again with the "zebra" thing :haha:


Hey that was quite the image. To accomodate all the "I want it free" crowd how about going for the whole book???

I am sure the mods won't mind :mod:

:whistle:

[ViralSpiral]

As with all else, there will always be left and right, black or white.

There you go again with the "zebra" thing :haha:


Hey that was quite the image. To accomodate all the "I want it free" crowd how about going for the whole book???

I am sure the mods won't mind :mod:

:whistle:



Loooooooool! Eggsackery!

Well, if it werent all black or white, twood be grey, and apparently that's not so friendly ;)

[SEAM]

Whilst popping back and forth from this page to others.. I played this vid..Love the song..Have for over 30 years.. but it suddenly spoke back to me as it never had before.
You all know the lyrics.. but go to 1:20, and tell me if this isn't a message to us all. From 30 years ago.. (My personal belief is that he went into a shaministic state during his performances)
Again... You tell me...

If you are time short, here tis:

One more thing!
Let's get together to fight this Holy Armagiddyon (One Love!),
So when the Man comes there will be no, no doom (One Song!).
Have pity on those whose chances grows t'inner;
There ain't no hiding place from the Father of Creation.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gq9GFEIbSA&feature=player_embedded#!

[ceetee9]

Technically, the term I heard is that every financial system in the world will be "tethered to a basket of commodities."

This one simple move will utterly crush the Illuminati and all other shadow factions. The playing field will finally be leveled.

Legitimate wealth, such as what ordinary people or even most well-to-do people have in the bank, will not be affected by this change.

If you have money in the bank, those assets will still be yours when the changeover is made -- except they will soon have a lot more purchasing power than they did before in the old, corrupt system.

All of this is but a brief transitional phase as we move into what will ultimately be a moneyless system... as I will explain in Part Three.


How does this system change anything? As he points out, the problem will intensify with growth. So unless we limit growth (i.e., reduce population or keep it static), inflation will occur as you have more people with less money going around vying for the same "warehoused" goods. Further, he gives no explanation as to how this will "crush the Illuminati" (who, ostensibly, have great wealth) while we get to keep our wealth (or lack thereof) and are unaffected. And then he goes on to say our money will have more purchasing power. How does that happen?
But the real piece de resistance is given by the last line (i.e., all of this is transitional phase before we will move into a moneyless system). Yeah, right. Not only will we no longer have any "tangible" object (i.e., paper money) to trade for goods and services, but we'll be able to completely trust the intangible accounting of the banksters and their computer systems to manage our "moneyless system." I mean, we all know how trustworthy the banks, wall street, etc. have been and there certainly aren't any nefarious programmers out there who might "tweak" the software that controls everything. I feel better all ready. How about you?

I could go on and on, but you get my drift. This whole thing smells very suspicious to me. Kinda like, oh, NEW WORLD ORDER!!!

All of this is but a brief transitional phase as we move into what will ultimately be a moneyless system... as I will explain in Part Three.

Michael Tellinger... Contributionism, For Instance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsGtTdjGVa4

This IS Going To Happen! A Transition WILL Take Place!
I like Michael Tellinger's Contributionist Society solution--in fact, I've advocated for it in many threads here on Avalon. If that's what DW is alluding to in his statement about moving to a moneyless system post transitional phase then I'm all for it. However, my concern is that if the transitional phase appeases the masses we will never get to the moneyless/contributionist society. Most people dislike change--particularly radical change so if a little change suffices we can kiss the ultimate solution goodbye.

As an aside, I wrote Michael Tellinger a year or so ago with a list of questions and concerns regarding his vision of a Contributionist Society. He did respond, but addressed my questions/concerns by saying he will discuss them in his upcoming new book. I have not investigated to see if he has addressed my concerns in his new book or even if it has been released yet.

[Calz]

He did respond, but addressed my questions/concerns by saying he will discuss them in his upcoming new book. I have not investigated to see if he has addressed my concerns in his new book or even if it has been released yet.

I read his first book ... here is his latest (as far as I can tell) ...

http://www.amazon.com/Temples-African-Gods-Michael-Tellinger/dp/192015308X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1318602859&sr=1-1

[gooty64]

Isn't it possible that Wilcock is being duped by his 'sources' ?

Consider this: TPTB know that within the last 10-20 years their plot to achieve world domination through some type of doomsday mechanism (e.g. fake alien invasion, nuclear war, manufactured 'natural' disasters etc.) has entered into the public domain. Now, obviously everything is done to deride this people as crazy conspiracy theorists who walk around all day in tinfoil hats. So they've succeeded in containing this knowledge to a small percentage of the population.

But the fact of the matter is, once they initiate their doomsday mechanism there will be a contingent of people who actually know what is going on - and that could ruin everything. If they just round these people up, well that would legitimize everything to the non-believers. So wouldn't it be a stroke of brilliance if they lulled the awake ones into thinking 'o hey, this isn't part of the fake invasion, those are the benevolent space hippie ETs!'

Because everything that Wilcock just described is exactly what the NWO calls for: a world without currency and the introduction of ETs. And we're supposed to let our guard down because a guy, with a blog and a couple of sources says so?

Maybe stegoosaur you should do a little less typing and a lot more research!
PS my dog can kick your dogs ass to the dark side of the moon!

So what specifically does Wilcock say that has you so convinced this is what is actually happening?

My point was, he may be getting this information from actual sources in actual positions of power. BUT they might be purposely feeding him disinfo to try and lull the alternative community into thinking 'all clear' when it's just the opposite. I mean after the whole Charles fiasco, I don' think it's too unreasonably to be suspicious of the information that's fed to the alternative community via insider sources.

And yes, just about anything could kick my dog's ass. He's a lover not a fighter! (i.e. a big baby!)

LOL, ok how about if the dogs just play, mine in the photo is only 4 months now.
I don't know if you had seen my first post before your first post but, I stated support for DW's character over a 10 year span. Of course what he has presented isn't air-tight proof yet.
Don't you realize we are only likely to get sketchy info and tips and hints ahead of time regarding world events? Fox news isn't going to do a segment ahead of time!
By doing some research on this topic you can find corroborating evidence like: seismic e.q. like event, sinkholes, sonic booms, ghostly noises, Russian news report, GFL confirmation, listening to the original interview with DW and Ben Fulford, it's on youtube take a look. Actually for the interview it's on Divine cosmos site.
There is a real trend that the dumbs have been closed and likely by a force unknown to us(possibly ET).
Just saying, where's the proof and then discounting DW doesn't qualify as discernment.
Peace, Gooty

[Calz]

My ninja kitty would kick both your dogs sorry butts :shocked:

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(just kidding of course ... don't have a cat and love dogs :) )

Alright ... most folk here believe in ET in some fashion or another ... correct???

How much ***proof*** do "they" normally leave behind???

I was "doin David" before he was "doin Camelot".

His credibility seems to have forked between his core work and his take on behind the scenes happenings as depicted by his sources. Welcome to Camelot whistleblower territory.

I am open minded to a long held "friend's" take on matters.

*Something* is going on and discernment is becoming a priority.

I want to believe DW here ... I really do.

Any scepticism comes from 3d and we are allegedly moving away from that (at least a portion of humanity and Gaia).

I am really getting weary of 3d ... anyone else???

Cal

[ulli]

My ninja kitty would kick both your dogs sorry butts :shocked:

10535

(just kidding of course ... don't have a cat and love dogs :) )

Alright ... most folk here believe in ET in some fashion or another ... correct???

How much ***proof*** do "they" normally leave behind???

I was "doin David" before he was "doin Camelot".

His credibility seems to have forked between his core work and his take on behind the scenes happenings as depicted by his sources. Welcome to Camelot whistleblower territory.

I am open minded to a long held "friend's" take on matters.

*Something* is going on and discernment is becoming a priority.

I want to believe DW here ... I really do.

Any scepticism comes from 3d and we are allegedly moving away from that (at least a portion of humanity and Gaia).

I am really getting weary of 3d ... anyone else???

Cal

Three Dee is IT! There is no escape.
The thing is to look at IT with a loving I.
Then U will C.

NOW is THE TIME.
Here is THE PLACE.
Here and Now is THE THREAD!!!!!!!!!!

[ceetee9]

He did respond, but addressed my questions/concerns by saying he will discuss them in his upcoming new book. I have not investigated to see if he has addressed my concerns in his new book or even if it has been released yet.

I read his first book ... here is his latest (as far as I can tell) ...

http://www.amazon.com/Temples-African-Gods-Michael-Tellinger/dp/192015308X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1318602859&sr=1-1Thanks Calz. That book was out before I wrote (emailed) him. I'll have to go back through my emails to see if he said what the name of his upcoming book was going to be titled.

[Humble Janitor]

I think David is getting vaguer with each passing update.

[onawah]

If he is becoming more vague, it may be because the information he is now privy to is much more important and more secret than any he had in the past. From what he reports, he has developed a network of insiders and whistleblowers over the years who are involved in or knowledgeable about increasingly more vital projects.
A few years ago, he might not have been so vague, but he did not have to be so careful then about protecting his sources and honoring his promise not to reveal what he had not been given permission to disclose.
So I find his current vagueness quite plausible.
And I'm very grateful that he is willing to reveal as much as he has.
I for one have been feeling the need for the very kind of validating information he has been sharing.
I am finding it more easy to believe as time goes by, just because I have a very strong gut feeling there is something to it, regardless of how vague or implausible it may appear on the surface.
I also think DW has been appealing to us to listen to our own inner guidance for a reason; not because he doesn't have valid information to share, but because that's what we need to be doing in any case, being more centered and grounded in ourselves and not swayed by every new rumor or news story.

[onawah]

There is some interesting dialogue at the end of the article between readers on DW's site at
http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/981-undergroundbasesnewinfo
and the Mod .

[ClandestineDisclosure]

I don't know which is scarier:
the fact that you found pictures of hippies in space proving that you're an old-school Treker; or
the fact that I recognized these pictures from the original Star Trek series.
YIKES!

[the trojan]

the actor who played the main hippie died this week and that photo has appeared on t web on numerous sites this week especially.

http://ripjaggerdojo.blogspot.com/2011/10/charles-napier-rip.html

[Humble Janitor]

If he is becoming more vague, it may be because the information he is now privy to is much more important and more secret than any he had in the past. From what he reports, he has developed a network of insiders and whistleblowers over the years who are involved in or knowledgeable about increasingly more vital projects.
A few years ago, he might not have been so vague, but he did not have to be so careful then about protecting his sources and honoring his promise not to reveal what he had not been given permission to disclose.
So I find his current vagueness quite plausible.
And I'm very grateful that he is willing to reveal as much as he has.
I for one have been feeling the need for the very kind of validating information he has been sharing.
I am finding it more easy to believe as time goes by, just because I have a very strong gut feeling there is something to it, regardless of how vague or implausible it may appear on the surface.
I also think DW has been appealing to us to listen to our own inner guidance for a reason; not because he doesn't have valid information to share, but because that's what we need to be doing in any case, being more centered and grounded in ourselves and not swayed by every new rumor or news story.

I used to respect him but I don't know anymore. Something is certainly happening but I've learned over the past year that you can never be TOO optimistic. David's view is still quite refreshing and I don't get the ego vibe from him. Of course, if he's promoting a book, you're going to hear more stuff that is questionable.

[laughs-last]

Cool thread, hits the spot, yum yum.
Hold not ye tight on to caesars tokens, give to God what is God's, pay for the book and stop moaning, lol.
Space hippies who'd ahve imagined it :P
We win, the rebel allaince, gonna have to find me an ewok to dance with. However I know everything that has happened is for a reason to bring forward a desired event, EVERYTHING is part of the process, and was started yonks ago; the question is what exactly is so important that the multiverse has pooled resources, effort and agents into little old earth................................................... I'm only asking, like I know anything, I know nothing ;)
ONE LOVE, BIG HUGZ AND UNIVERSAL ENIGMAS :jester: viva space hippie VETO's :victory::angel::mullet::welcome:

[laughs-last]

Whilst popping back and forth from this page to others.. I played this vid..Love the song..Have for over 30 years.. but it suddenly spoke back to me as it never had before.
You all know the lyrics.. but go to 1:20, and tell me if this isn't a message to us all. From 30 years ago.. (My personal belief is that he went into a shaministic state during his performances)
Again... You tell me...


If you are time short, here tis:

One more thing!
Let's get together to fight this Holy Armagiddyon (One Love!),
So when the Man comes there will be no, no doom (One Song!).
Have pity on those whose chances grows t'inner;
There ain't no hiding place from the Father of Creation.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gq9GFEIbSA&feature=player_embedded#!

hmmm seam, you may be on to a RICH SEAM OF METAPHSYICAL GOLD there, keep scratching ;)

ONE LOVE, BIG HUGZ and BIG QUESTIONS :jester:

[Meesh]

What ever comes, I know I will breath with it and balance with it, and experience it.

WOW! This statement really resonates with me. Thank you!

[gooty64]

If he is becoming more vague, it may be because the information he is now privy to is much more important and more secret than any he had in the past. From what he reports, he has developed a network of insiders and whistleblowers over the years who are involved in or knowledgeable about increasingly more vital projects.
A few years ago, he might not have been so vague, but he did not have to be so careful then about protecting his sources and honoring his promise not to reveal what he had not been given permission to disclose.
So I find his current vagueness quite plausible.
And I'm very grateful that he is willing to reveal as much as he has.
I for one have been feeling the need for the very kind of validating information he has been sharing.
I am finding it more easy to believe as time goes by, just because I have a very strong gut feeling there is something to it, regardless of how vague or implausible it may appear on the surface.
I also think DW has been appealing to us to listen to our own inner guidance for a reason; not because he doesn't have valid information to share, but because that's what we need to be doing in any case, being more centered and grounded in ourselves and not swayed by every new rumor or news story.

I used to respect him but I don't know anymore. Something is certainly happening but I've learned over the past year that you can never be TOO optimistic. David's view is still quite refreshing and I don't get the ego vibe from him. Of course, if he's promoting a book, you're going to hear more stuff that is questionable.

OUCH!! HJ, but the really good, posiitve upbeat news is that today you have an opportunity to join with the entire planet to raise the vibrations of human emotions in conjunction with Occupy the Planet, Occupy the World, World Revolution day, October 15th saturday 2011.

If you choose not to join US, you can always Occupy Uranus instead! lol

[Bill Ryan]

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Many More Bases DestroyedThis may be unpopular, but I don't believe a word of it.

This needs a thread to itself -- pursuing the theme of this one:
Clif High, The Simpsons, and New Age Priests (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7844-Clif-High-The-Simpsons-and-New-Age-Priests&highlight=priests)

The problem is this. There's an enormous amount of uncertainty and confusion in the world at the moment. We are living in pivotal times, both personally and globally. There are almost unprecedented amounts of change... again, both personal and global.

In that confusion, people naturally and instinctively seek out stable reference points. Anyone who says "I know what's going on!" or "I know what's going to happen!" gets a large audience, sometimes instantly.

Here are just a tiny number of examples, in no special order:






Elenin (nothing happened, folks: what was a pretty, but very small, comet has probably disintegrated).
28 October 2011 (nothing will happen then either - I am willing to take on any bet :) ).
Ben Fulford and David Wilcock's unveriable, extreme, claims that it's all over bar the shouting.
Clif High's large following (despite the fact that he is very often wrong).
The world "splitting into two" - whatever that means. This is metaphysical nonsense (sorry, folks, but it's true).
NESARA and the long-hoped-for revaluation of the dinar.
That we are suddenly all (or maybe only some of us!) magically going to "Ascend" overnight one of these days (New Age privileged elitism at its most extreme).
... and much more. remember Blossom Goodchild? And Colleen Thomas? And we won't even talk about SaLuSa and Mike Quinsey's other inventions (sorry again, folks... it has to be said).

I maintain my own stance - which is this:






The inexorable global increase of consciousness is a rising tide that will float all boats.
There is a power struggle among the world's elite, but this may not be resolved for quite some time.
We have to take responsibility for the desperate, critical state of Planet Earth and its beleaguered citizens. No-one else will do this for us. No ETs are going to interfere. They will only support our own efforts (while other darker entities try to impede them: the 'power struggle' - though not quite the right phrase here - exists in the astral, also).
The immediate threats before us are the wrecking of the global economy (sometime between next week and mid-2012), massive solar storms in 2013 (estimated), and possibly another unknown event set (or planned) to occur between now and the end of the year. I do NOT know what this is.)

No easy way out folks. But as I've always said, if this were a rigged, fixed game, I'd not have incarnated here this lifetime.

I remain optimistic. The situation here will take several generations to repair. But that's why you, and your children, are here. It's your job to handle this as much as it is anyone else's. That's why you're reading this, now.

:)

With my best wishes to all, Bill

[Billy]

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No ETs are going to interfere. They will only support our own efforts (while other darker entities try to impede them: the 'power struggle' - though not quite the right phrase here - exists in the astral, also).


I remain optimistic. The situation here will take several generations to repair. But that's why you, and your children, are here. It's your job to handle this as much as it is anyone else's. That's why you're reading this, now.

:)

With my best wishes to all, Bill

I agree ET's will never interfere Bill, And i am pleased to see you say they can and do assist by supporting our efforts. Is supporting the same as intervening ???

[Bill Ryan]

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No ETs are going to interfere. They will only support our own efforts (while other darker entities try to impede them: the 'power struggle' - though not quite the right phrase here - exists in the astral, also).

I remain optimistic. The situation here will take several generations to repair. But that's why you, and your children, are here. It's your job to handle this as much as it is anyone else's. That's why you're reading this, now.

:)

With my best wishes to all, Bill

I agree ET's will never interfere Bill, And i am pleased to see you say they can and do assist by supporting our efforts. Is supporting the same as intervening ???

Supporting is completely different from interfering.

Here's just one example. The ETs cannot land and take over the White House or the UN (or blow up underground bases, for that matter).

But they can incarnate in human bodies -- and then follow all human protocols, continuing their mission on the human playing field. That way the rules of the game are not violated.

Some of you will resonate personally with this. Of course, you cannot remember... that's one of the human protocols. :)

[Billy]

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No ETs are going to interfere. They will only support our own efforts (while other darker entities try to impede them: the 'power struggle' - though not quite the right phrase here - exists in the astral, also).

I remain optimistic. The situation here will take several generations to repair. But that's why you, and your children, are here. It's your job to handle this as much as it is anyone else's. That's why you're reading this, now.

:)

With my best wishes to all, Bill

I agree ET's will never interfere Bill, And i am pleased to see you say they can and do assist by supporting our efforts. Is supporting the same as intervening ???

Supporting is completely different from interfering.

Here's just one example. The ETs cannot land and take over the White House or the UN (or blow up underground bases, for that matter).

But they can incarnate in human bodies -- and then follow all human protocols, continuing their mission on the human playing field. That way the rules of the game are not violated.

Some of you will resonate personally with this. Of course, you cannot remember... that's one of the human protocols. :)



Sorry Bill maybe i did not make my reply clear enough. Interfere / Intervene
The universal law, is that ET's are not allowed to Interfere,( although the ones that resonate at a lower vibration have interfered )

but my belief is that those that have the betterment of humanity and earth as their agenda can" Intervene" if given permission

[gooty64]

The immediate threats before us are the wrecking of the global economy

How do you wreck what is already a disaster?

This is like going to the scene of a trainwreck and tossing around the debris and the bodies.

The global economy has already enslaved and ruined lives for hundreds of years. How can you wreck it any worse than it already is.

This economy has been circling the drain for years already.

What???????

[gooty64]

Ok, this is it for me with the discord between anyone portraying knowledge or information about the current changing times.

Seriously, the founder of this sight doesn't "believe a word of it" -really?

Ok then, I disregard David Wilcock, Drunvalo Melchizedek and the rest and plan on rebuilding a planet in the dark after a solar storm takes down the energy grid.

Hmmmmm.....

This forum is full of garbage, negativity, lone wolf survivalist, mental prisoners, disinfo, fear porn what really is the point of it?

It really feels to me the there is an abandoning ship going here with the founder. At least on the titanic the captain and the band went down with the ship and didn't get in the life rafts and "take off" for safer ground.

I think somebody knows the where the most dangerous country to be in the world is, in the upcoming weeks and months. And her too.

This doesn't feel right at all!

For 5 or 6 years present all this whistleblower testimony and "out there" scenarios, and then basically backtrack running away from it all.

Hmmmmmmm......still doesn't feel right, something is "rotten in Denmark" as they say.

Yeah Right, generations to fix the "raped" Earth and to do so with a literally "retarded" civilization of people where only a small percentage are having a consciousness awakening.

Oh Goody, I can't wait, sounds like a mission.

Where do I begin?

[ThePythonicCow]

The global economy has already enslaved and ruined lives for hundreds of years. How can you wreck it any worse than it already is.
The very complex, petro-based, economy that almost all of us in the "more advanced" economies depend on for our food, clothing, shelter, energy and communication is still functioning, and one way or another, is still providing most of us in these economies. There are still trucks on the road, current in the power lines, food on the shelves, gas at the pumps, cash at the ATM, ... That same economy still reaches out to all parts of this planet, the earth, air and waters, and to all who live on it, the plants, animals, fish, birds, and microbes ... with its frequently destructive tentacles. It is still destroying.

My guess is that this economy does not collapse entirely into some apocalyptic scenario, but I do expect

a major reset of the global monetary system, which has been US Dollar based since World War II,
a new world currency system, supposedly based on a basket of commodities, but still controlled by the wealthiest, most powerful, families,
some nasty events of economic depression and perhaps Middle East war to "set the stage" for this monetary reset,
some major banks and Western nations to pass through some variation of bankruptcy,
widespread imposition of "austerity" programs in Western nations that have not seen such since the Great Depression, and
the average standard of living of Americans and some other Western nations to be reset, downward, substantially,

The younger ones here may look back on this period, a half century later, and see that a low point was reached, and see human civilization becoming healthier in what is today still in our future. Let us work together, for that outcome.

This lovely planet and the life teeming on it are counting on us.

[Calz]

Bill Ryan:


This may be unpopular, but I don't believe a word of it.

Okay ... we all have some overlapping yet different perceptions of "reality".

BR:


Here are just a tiny number of examples, in no special order:

Sure ... without going into detail or "naming names" ... there seems to be a great deal of material presented by guests you and (sometimes) Kerry have vetted then interviewed you do not stand by.

That is fine as you (or Kerry) never made a claim to "verifiable truth" regarding your interviews. There was implied legitimacy and that is what built Camelot. Is that not a fair assessment?

You have recently made some very open and honest statements regarding your readings from Carol the psychic brought to the world's attention by David Icke. That is great! Yet you freely admit your own initial scepticism. No need to mention other names.

I bring that up only to point out we all go through growth and changes in our perceptions. What may seem ludicrous today may morph into a hidden truth of tomorrow (or visa versa).

I will never say *anyone* is wrong even if I am in complete disagreement. You can go through all my posts. I appreciate all respectfully expressed posts.

BR:


No easy way out folks. But as I've always said, if this were a rigged, fixed game, I'd not have incarnated here this lifetime.

Agreed ... and since we are not playing in a rigged game then perhaps there comes a time for a *balancing* of the imbalances that have been going on for many many years. Not talking saviours here ... rather a more *apparent* equitable influence from mostly unseen forces.

BR:


I remain optimistic.

As do I.

Even if I appear to "question" your post ... I quite honestly most appreciate the posts (from anyone) which if well presented and respectful cause me to have an open minded examination of my own perception. What better function of a forum like this?

All that seriousness aside ... I simply won't easily surrender my biggest laugh of the day ... the space hippies

:lalala:

:hippie::mullet::hippie:

I submit for consideration ... "Where All Good Hippies Go When They Die"

e_fds4JTfY8

[Bill Ryan]

Calz_Avaretard wrote: (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32458-Underground-Bases-Update-by-Wilcock-...&p=332744&viewfull=1#post332744)

Sure ... without going into detail or "naming names" ... there seems to be a great deal of material presented by guests you and (sometimes) Kerry have vetted then interviewed you do not stand by.

That is fine as you (or Kerry) never made a claim to "verifiable truth" regarding your interviews. There was implied legitimacy and that is what built Camelot. Is that not a fair assessment?Hi there - please do ask me some questions about the "great deal of material presented by guests you and (sometimes) Kerry have vetted then interviewed you do not stand by." I'd be as interested as others to know if that stands up. :)

I think that I may be able to reassure you. This is really very important. Do ask anything you like. Be totally specific. Only specifics will be helpful.

Without knowing what you have in mind, I'd say that before Kerry and I (to a large extent) parted company at the end of 2009, I'd stand by about 85-90% of Camelot testimony. I believe I've stated those kinds of proportions before. Once Kerry started making her own decisions about who to report (or champion), that figure drops a little.

When I started working independently, the 85-90% figure still pretty much holds.

What has to be remembered is that some whistleblowers, experiencers, writers and researchers after the original interviews go to some places which I cannot always necessarily support. Those include Leo Zagami, David Wilcock, Ben Fulford, Dan Burisch, Richard Hoagland, Jake Simpson, Clif High, Charles, and Inelia. There may be one or two more, but that's just nine out of literally many dozens.

The degrees of change or deviation in their message (or its detail) vary across quite a large spectrum, from the minor to the quite major. In most of the above, the information in the initial interview(s) was pretty much authentic. It's an interesting phenomenon that after that, the quality of the testimony sometimes changes. Meanwhile, I could table a long list of witnesses whose testimony I stand by 100%.

All best wishes, Bill

[Calz]

Thanks for your reply ... so sorry time for bed.

Hold that thought :)

[Limor Wolf]

Bill,What kind of testimonies,or what type of whistleblower/interviewee would you be interested to interview today? in other words,what will make you tick /pull your camera and recorder and interview a person?

[Bill Ryan]

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Reliable personal testimony (off the top of my head - this list is almost certainly incomplete):







Bill Hamilton
Gary McKinnon
Henry Deacon
Clifford Stone
Bob Dean
Ralph Ring
Dan Sherman
‘Mr X’, the ET archivist
Duncan O’Finioan
Dave Corso
Jim Sparks
Bill Holden
George Green
Luca Scantamburlo
Miriam Delicado
Bill Deagle
Brian O’Leary
The Norwegian Politician
Jim Humble
Paul LaViolette
Peter Levenda
Wade Frazier
David Icke
Jim Marrs
Jordan Maxwell
Joseph Farrell
Erich von Däniken
Klaus Dona
Pete Peterson
Ricardo Silva
Jane Bürgermeister
Richard Dolan
Dane Tops

[Bill Ryan]

Bill,What kind of testimonies,or what type of whistleblower/interviewee would you be interested to interview today? in other words,what will make you tick /pull your camera and recorder and interview a person?

Hi, Limor!

Great question. I'd jump at the opportunity to interview a genuine whistleblower from HAARP (or FEMA, the National Weather Service, or NOAA)... or an insider solar scientist who might expand on what we might expect in 2013 or later.

My warmest personal wishes to you as always - Bill

[Lisab]

Thanks for that list Bill. I still think of myself as a newbie and was totally down the channeling route until I came here (altho I still believe some to be helpful). Im going to check out everyone on that list as ive only investigated a couple of names there. Love Gary Mckinnon bless him.x

¤=[Post Update]=¤

And thankyou for your honesty

[Ba-ba-Ra]

[/ BILL'S QUOTE]

Supporting is completely different from interfering.

Here's just one example. The ETs cannot land and take over the White House or the UN (or blow up underground bases, for that matter).

But they can incarnate in human bodies -- and then follow all human protocols, continuing their mission on the human playing field. That way the rules of the game are not violated.

Some of you will resonate personally with this. Of course, you cannot remember... that's one of the human protocols. :)[END OF BILL'S QUOTE]


**********
Would like to elaborate on this a little and of course this is all based on my perspective and experience: You can chose to believe or not.

ET's can reincarnate into human bodies, and many are walk-ins as well. But keep in mind because of the needs and desires of the human body, not all can rise above these desires once here. There was a great movie some time ago, German I believe, titled "Far Away So Close" and although they depicted other worldly spirits as angels, you will get the idea. Things that look easy when not in human form become far more complicated when in the body.

There are also many who are being influenced telepathically by ET's (I'm not referring to the channelers & am making no claim as to the authenticity of channelers). These are mostly average humans leading quiet lives, who are making changes sometimes small, sometimes big, in their communities. Some know and are aware from whom they are receiving, others are just following impulses transmitted. Usually these people are not seeking publicity.

I'm not sure I agree with Bill's statement - that they can not remember - I oscillate on this point. Although I do know that some have been shown who the walk-ins are.

[onawah]

How would this be classifed-interference or support?

Z7-5sj4IBQ8

As I understand it, what the ETs will do is stop us from completely destroying the Earth, because Gaia is a being with free will and she has chosen to survive.
Or, to be a bit less poetic, we can just postulate that the Earth is too great a resource, and the ETs will only allow a certain amount of destruction.
Then, presumably, whatever would be irreversible is not allowed.

[onawah]

The most significant question this Bob Marley song brings up:
"There is one question I'd really love to ask
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner,
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own beliefs?"

And something that David Wilcock has talked about which not many others have, which is that TPTW's agenda has been propagated over the ages, not just by fear, but by the threat of ruthless torture, beyond what we can imagine one human would ever subject another human to. So there is a need for a tremendous amount of forgiveness.
That's another reason why I feel that there is something to the reports from DW--he is not a coward, and not afraid to look at the darkest side of our history, or to ask the most difficult questions.
There are plenty of B.S.ers out there, feeding us lots of disinfo designed to mislead and keep us asleep.
And it may be that some of DW's sources are feeding him disinfo, but I still feel from a gut level that some very authentic info is coming through him.
Hurray for the day when it will all be clear!
And we can all get together and feel all right, in one Love, and one Heart...



Whilst popping back and forth from this page to others.. I played this vid..Love the song..Have for over 30 years.. but it suddenly spoke back to me as it never had before.
You all know the lyrics.. but go to 1:20, and tell me if this isn't a message to us all. From 30 years ago.. (My personal belief is that he went into a shaministic state during his performances)
Again... You tell me...


If you are time short, here tis:

One more thing!
Let's get together to fight this Holy Armagiddyon (One Love!),
So when the Man comes there will be no, no doom (One Song!).
Have pity on those whose chances grows t'inner;
There ain't no hiding place from the Father of Creation.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gq9GFEIbSA&feature=player_embedded#!

hmmm seam, you may be on to a RICH SEAM OF METAPHSYICAL GOLD there, keep scratching ;)

ONE LOVE, BIG HUGZ and BIG QUESTIONS :jester:

[Billy]

Ok, this is it for me with the discord between anyone portraying knowledge or information about the current changing times.

<snip>

Yeah Right, generations to fix the "raped" Earth and to do so with a literally "retarded" civilization of people where only a small percentage are having a consciousness awakening.

Oh Goody, I can't wait, sounds like a mission.

Where do I begin?

It begins with self, If we wait for others to fulfill our expectations we will always be disappointed, It is not so much about recieving from others, but what we can give to others. A small percentage can make a difference.

[aranuk]

I'd like to thank Bill for giving us a list of the people he interviewed as being 100% reliable! I have one question to Bill: Have you done an interview with Gary McKinnon who you put in your list. If so where do we find this interview? I agree with Bill also as I declared in a few posts about DW statement. I wish.

Stan

[jp11]

Bill,

I must say you have indeed shown a different side of yourself recently. And yes, I'm all for change; if one is not willing to change then they are not even keeping up with status quo.

What disturbs me about this opinion of yours is that you have said you and David Wilcock are friends. Now given that I'm from the states perhaps I don't understand what a proper English gentleman is, and maybe you don't claim to be one. If so, forgive my presumption.

However, in my way of thinking one does not refer to what a friend has written from the desire to make a difference in the world, a world that is a better place for all, "I don't believe a word of it!" :confused:

Yes, your entitled to your opinion and beliefs, as we all are. But couldn't you have found a better way to express your disagreement...with your friend...in a public forum...for all to see?

Like you Bill I did the EST training (for me in 1975) and also the communications workshop, etc. So I understand I am responsible for my communication and my experience of what another communicates. All that said, what the heck is going on with you? Because of this past year and the things that have happened in your life do you now feel that it is necessary to take a stand, and in so doing, not consider your words and how they might be perceived? Or it that your intent? :(

I for one want this world to change, not in the next three generations, but now! :rant: I read what David had to say and yelled...please let this be true, over and over again! Can you know or say for sure that nothing David wrote is true? Can you say or know for sure that everything you write is? :ohwell:

My best to all. :wave::focus::tea:

[Lefty Dave]

Whilst popping back and forth from this page to others.. I played this vid..Love the song..Have for over 30 years.. but it suddenly spoke back to me as it never had before.
You all know the lyrics.. but go to 1:20, and tell me if this isn't a message to us all. From 30 years ago.. (My personal belief is that he went into a shaministic state during his performances)
Again... You tell me...

If you are time short, here tis:

One more thing!
Let's get together to fight this Holy Armagiddyon (One Love!),
So when the Man comes there will be no, no doom (One Song!).
Have pity on those whose chances grows t'inner;
There ain't no hiding place from the Father of Creation.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gq9GFEIbSA&feature=player_embedded#!

He might have gotten some of those lyrics from Curtis Mayfield 's song PEOPLE GET READY


People get ready
There's a train a-coming
You don't need no baggage
You just get on board
All you need is faith
To hear the diesels humming
Don't need no ticket
You just thank the Lord

People get ready
For the train to Jordan
Picking up passengers
From coast to coast
Faith is the key
Open the doors and board them
There's room for all
among the loved the most

There ain't no room
for the hopeless sinner
Who would hurt all mankind just
To save his own
Have pity on those
whose chances are thinner
Cause there's no hiding place
From the Kingdom's Throne

So people get ready
for the train a-comin'
You don't need no baggage
you just get on board !
All you need is faith
to hear the diesels humming
Don't need no ticket
you just thank, you just thank the Lord

OOPS ! We may have wandered off topic....

[Carmen]

Jeeze Bill!! Not the bucket of cold water again!!:eek:

[Snowbird]

I don't understand a lot of things such as, how this new monetary system (from David Wilcock's entry in the opening post) will dismantle and destroy the holdings of those who have stolen the wealth of this Earth and continue to hold it and us, hostage. If for instance, one of these thugs has $3 trillion in the bank and in the markets, what will prevent their holdings from rolling from the current monetary system to this new one? What little money and investments that we have, will roll. Why won't theirs? Their money is based upon fiat currency and so is ours.

Why is it stated that this new system will destroy them? Why would they be destroyed?

[EileenCookies]

I had an understanding right before this article got published that I had to let go of my terminology regarding hippies. I guess I had the idea that they were some clue-less drug induced teenagers that got their kicks from rebellion and freedom loving ways (including sexual ideals). That isn't exactly what heaven would like us to understand about the term. It means more like wayfarer. I forget the rest of the description...but we can all come together to explore it.

So let go of the old ideas and see what wants to happen for you as well. Let us all get on the same page here (the world).

lv
eileen

[ThePythonicCow]

What disturbs me about this opinion of yours is that you have said you and David Wilcock are friends. Now given that I'm from the states perhaps I don't understand what a proper English gentleman is, and maybe you don't claim to be one. If so, forgive my presumption.
You don't have to go all the way to England to find examples. I'm down here in Texas (a bit of a foreign country, perhaps, but closer to your home than England ;)) and I've got good friends who say things that I don't believe a word of. They likely figure some of what I say is just as looney; we chuckle and continue to enjoy each others good company.

[Bill Ryan]

I'm not sure I agree with Bill's statement - that they can not remember.

Apologies, Barbara – I used too much shorthand. :)

I meant that we humans cannot easily remember who we are or where we can from. Recovering those memories is absolutely possible (and does happen increasingly frequently).


I have one question to Bill: Have you done an interview with Gary McKinnon who you put in your list. If so where do we find this interview?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_fNsah-0vpY


Yes, your entitled to your opinion and beliefs, as we all are. But couldn't you have found a better way to express your disagreement...with your friend...in a public forum...for all to see?

David’s a good friend, and I respect his knowledge and intellect a great deal. My strong personal opinion is that in this instance he is mistaken, and has been misinformed. I’m pretty sure I know who one of his sources is, and if I'm correct, he's absolutely not to be trusted. And, if pushed, I can prove that without question.

My post was not insulting of David. It simply stated that I didn’t believe a word of his report – regarding the claimed destruction of the underground bases.

The issue is important. I don't believe we can be complacent or allow ourselves to relax. What better way for an enemy to weaken their opponents by deceiving them into thinking that the battle is over? (What we are engaged in isn't about fighting, of course. It’s a loose metaphor only, to illustrate the salient point here.)


you now feel that it is necessary to take a stand.

Yes, I do. There’s such a lot of false or misleading information on the net this year – both about Elenin and also in Ben Fulford’s claims – that I think the way the alternative community is being deceived is extremely dangerous.


Can you know or say for sure that nothing David wrote is true? [I]

No – I said that I did not believe it was true. :)


I read what David had to say and yelled...please let this be true, over and over again!

That’s the hook: people (very understandably) want to believe unsubstantiatable claims like this. Can you see the trap?

[fifi]

some whistleblowers, experiencers, writers and researchers after the original interviews go to some places which I cannot always necessarily support. Those include Leo Zagami, David Wilcock, Ben Fulford, Dan Burisch, Richard Hoagland, Jake Simpson, Clif High, Charles, and Inelia.

Hi Bill,
I am very surprised to see Inelia's name in this list. Is it possible for you to elaborate?

Much respect,
Fifi

[Calz]

Sorry for taking awhile to return to this. One day off this week and today was it. Family time.




Here are just a tiny number of examples, in no special order:



Ben Fulford and David Wilcock's unveriable, extreme, claims that it's all over bar the shouting.

The world "splitting into two" - whatever that means. This is metaphysical nonsense (sorry, folks, but it's true).

That we are suddenly all (or maybe only some of us!) magically going to "Ascend" overnight one of these days (New Age privileged elitism at its most extreme).



With my best wishes to all, Bill


Calz_Avaretard wrote: (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32458-Underground-Bases-Update-by-Wilcock-...&p=332744&viewfull=1#post332744)

Sure ... without going into detail or "naming names" ... there seems to be a great deal of material presented by guests you and (sometimes) Kerry have vetted then interviewed you do not stand by.

That is fine as you (or Kerry) never made a claim to "verifiable truth" regarding your interviews. There was implied legitimacy and that is what built Camelot. Is that not a fair assessment?Hi there - please do ask me some questions about the "great deal of material presented by guests you and (sometimes) Kerry have vetted then interviewed you do not stand by." I'd be as interested as others to know if that stands up. :)

I think that I may be able to reassure you. This is really very important. Do ask anything you like. Be totally specific. Only specifics will be helpful.

Without knowing what you have in mind, I'd say that before Kerry and I (to a large extent) parted company at the end of 2009, I'd stand by about 85-90% of Camelot testimony. I believe I've stated those kinds of proportions before. Once Kerry started making her own decisions about who to report (or champion), that figure drops a little.

When I started working independently, the 85-90% figure still pretty much holds.

What has to be remembered is that some whistleblowers, experiencers, writers and researchers after the original interviews go to some places which I cannot always necessarily support. Those include Leo Zagami, David Wilcock, Ben Fulford, Dan Burisch, Richard Hoagland, Jake Simpson, Clif High, Charles, and Inelia. There may be one or two more, but that's just nine out of literally many dozens.

The degrees of change or deviation in their message (or its detail) vary across quite a large spectrum, from the minor to the quite major. In most of the above, the information in the initial interview(s) was pretty much authentic. It's an interesting phenomenon that after that, the quality of the testimony sometimes changes. Meanwhile, I could table a long list of witnesses whose testimony I stand by 100%.

All best wishes, Bill

Okay ... to start let me make quite clear I love the Avalon forum and how it has evolved from Camelot. Bill and Kerry have touched our lives in a very special way and that is why we are here.

As far as "specifics" I will do what I can from memory and that goes back several years of appreciating most all the interviews shared here.


The most obvious, and related to this thread, regarding vetting of interviews would be Fulford and Wilcock. I will not include any material brought forth by Kerry since the parting of ways.

You (Bill) have been clear regarding NESARA (eating hat still on hold) and while standing by Wilcock on camera (and forum) as your friend you also stated you did not agree with all he was presenting. Fair enough and you have been consistant.

Not agreeing with "all" is not the same as "not believing a word of it" (OP article). No shade of grey allowed. Nada. Even deliberate disinfo has some elements of truth to it to make the story more believable. Not this time.

Whistleblower site. Sources. You have sources ... Kerry has sources ... David has sources ... and so on.

Point being Fulford and Wilcock are examples of vetted interviews who you are not standing by. No inference to friendship ... you are clearly stating you don't believe a word of Wilcock's latest article. As David start with ... we can "believe it or not".
Fulford has to be included since some (not all) of his material is in accordance with Wilcock's (and Fulford was interviewed prior to the split).


The world "splitting into two" - whatever that means. This is metaphysical nonsense (sorry, folks, but it's true).

Wow ... that sure sounds ... authoritative.

That brings up two other interviews (and Kerry had nothing to do with these 2).

Inelia and Lucia.

We can bring Wilcock back on board here with his story about the looking glass technology and how all the participants saw a different "future reality" based on their own resonant vibrational level of consciousness (paraphrasing) when looking beyond 2012.

Question? On what grounds do you label this as "metaphysical nonsense"? Not a criticism. Perhaps I (and others) can learn something here.


That we are suddenly all (or maybe only some of us!) magically going to "Ascend" overnight one of these days (New Age privileged elitism at its most extreme).

Well the word "ascend" causes a lot of confusion.

Let us set aside the word "overnight". Are you stating here there is no chance for life (humanity and Gaia in this case ... but overall) to enter into another "dimension" or "density"?

What is behind that belief? A great many very spiritual and connected people would suggest otherwise.

How is it that Carol is able to bring such clarity about your life from the Spiritual realms yet most all channelers have black op technology induced messages? How many black op folks are doing this 24/7 around the world???

Hmmmm.

Could go on ... perhaps that is for another post ... this can continue the ball rolling.

I guess making authoritative blanket statements regarding spiritual information (which is more a matter of faith than hard verifiable data) is something that comes into play here.

What is the "source" of your belief in those matters?


interviews go to some places which I cannot always necessarily support. Those include Leo Zagami, David Wilcock, Ben Fulford, Dan Burisch, Richard Hoagland, Jake Simpson, Clif High, Charles, and Inelia. There may be one or two more, but that's just nine out of literally many dozens.

This was in response to my (prior) post regarding vetting and standing by said interviews. Lucia the only addition. Yes you are quite correct in that most of the interviews are a good and valuable source of information.

Sorry if I implied otherwise. Perhaps I had my "wishful space hippie helmet" on.

IMHO

Cal

[onawah]

Bill wrote: "My post was not insulting of David. It simply stated that I didn’t believe a word of his report – regarding the claimed destruction of the underground bases."

Just to be clear, originally David Wilcock reported only what Ben Fulford had said in the interview, that 2 bases had been destroyed by nuclear weapons.
Then apparently he heard revised versions of what had happened from other sources (quite a few, apparently), and the story changed gradually.
The headline on the Divine Cosmos site at:
http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/981-undergroundbasesnewinfo
states: Disclosure Imminent? Part II: Many More Bases Destroyed
But in the actual article, it is stated that the additional bases were actually not destroyed, but were emptied apparently with ET assistance, using some sort of air pressure device.
"MANY underground bases have now been completely cleared out... materials, equipment, and personnel... by yet-unknown forces.
An international coalition, intending to overthrow the Old World Order and free humanity from enslavement, is claiming responsibility. They also appear to have extraterrestrial assistance in this mission."

If we go to:
http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/975-undergroundbases
it states:
" I am not permitted to go into specifics, but I can now comfortably say that in addition to the first 8, MANY additional bases have now had all personnel and materials mysteriously removed. It happened within the last week. In this case, the rooms are still there, but they are now empty -- except for some broken pieces of furniture."

The revised version says the first two bases were actually destroyed after being emptied of both personnel and equipment, though not by nuclear devices, as there was no radiation.
http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/981-undergroundbasesnewinfo
"THE UNDERGROUND BASES
According to our best, most trusted insiders, these same "tree-hugging" ETs have now been clearing out underground facilities around the world. The first two were near Washington, DC and Denver, Colorado.
This occurred on the same day my new book, The Source Field Investigations, was released. This was a great shock to me as the story began coming together over the following weeks.
As I explained in Part One, and as Fulford's sources confirmed, each of these bases were destroyed by an explosive force that caused massive surface earthquakes -- including the largest East Coast earthquake in a century.
These earthquakes had very unusual properties that were identical to what we see after underground nukes have been detonated. However, we also now know that no radiation was involved.

EVERYTHING APPARENTLY GOT PORTALED OUT

Audio recordings of what occurred inside these bases were captured before their destruction.

As a result, the insiders now know that for 24 hours before each of these bases was destroyed, they heard massive sounds of sliding furniture -- and people yelling and screaming.

Part of what is so strange about this is that even tables that were bolted to the floor were unscrewed and removed. All that was left behind was furniture that was broken.

By putting two and two together, it appears that massive portals were created inside these bases. All the materials and all the personnel were pulled out before the first two facilities were destroyed.

The destruction, as I said, was apparently caused by a spontaneous 20-fold increase in air pressure.

SIX MORE BASES WERE SUBSEQUENTLY WIPED OUT

The next reliable piece of information that came in was that the Powers that Were refused to surrender, even after this very impressive show of invincible force.

I have been told that the amount of equipment -- including craft that would have been used to fake an alien invasion -- that was cleared out in the first two events alone was enough to constitute a critical, irreversible defeat for them.

Nonetheless, they still refused to give up. Perhaps they've watched too many sports games and still want to live by the old adage that "it ain't over 'til it's over."

Six additional bases, not restricted to the United States, were then cleared out after the first two.

We do not know when this happened, where it happened, and whether or not they were physically destroyed -- only that all the materials and personnel were removed.

MANY MORE HAVE NOW BEEN CLEARED

Right near the end of September, the next wave occurred -- and this time it was much more significant. I was given an exact number and asked not to repeat it. In order to preserve the integrity and trust of my sources, I will withhold these specifics.

Suffice it to say that within a short period of time, perhaps all in the same day, a significantly larger number of bases were all cleared out.

The reports, again, are the same: audio recordings reveal the sounds of furniture sliding all over the place and people yelling. In this case, the bases are still there, but all the materials, spacecraft, et cetera have all been removed -- except for the broken furniture."

So first the revised report says that the subsequent bases may have also been destroyed after being emptied, but the last statement is that the emptied bases are still there, and were not destroyed.
So according to the final version thus far, 2 bases were destroyed and an undisclosed number were emptied, their contents removed elsewhere.

I just wanted to be clear about this. For me, the idea of nuclear weapons being used was what made the story seem completely unbelievable initially. It gradually became more believable as DW accessed more sources and it was stated that there was no radiation, and so nuclear devices were apparently not used.
And more believable as it was stated that personnel were not killed, but just relocated, because I think ETs would not destroy or kill, and would prevent nuclear weapons from being used by humans against humans.
I'm not saying I buy the whole story, but I feel there could be some truth in it.

Of course I understand what Bill is saying here: "That’s the hook: people (very understandably) want to believe unsubstantiatable claims like this. Can you see the trap? "

But I also think that if we have no hope, it is very difficult to create a more positive paradigm.
False hope can result in disillusion and victimization, of course, but I think there is reason to hope, and that we are being assisted, and that there are many positive shifts happening in the paradigm now.
"Just a feeling" perhaps, but until there is proof that it's all a fabrication, I will continue to think there may be some truth in this story.

[jp11]

Thanks for the clarification Bill. And I don't mean to gang up on you...after having just read Calz post. However, I do agree with him that there is a distinct difference in
Not agreeing with "all" is not the same as "not believing a word of it"

I have spent time with David at four different events, two of which were in a smaller group setting for 5-7 days, so I was able to have a more personal experience of him than at the recent A&A conference in CA. At my age I am old enough to be his mother. I have even experienced some of my buttons (damn :mmph: I thought they were gone) being activated. Was that my ego or his...or both? :noidea:

IMHO David is brilliant, much like a walking encyclopedia. He says things that many would never have the courage to say for fear what they say may be proven wrong. Recently David wrote he would be glad if it turned out he was wrong...my words not his. Sort of like your info of an event perhaps happening in CA by the end of September. If I recall correctly you alluded to the same thinking...that you would be happy to be wrong.

It is so interesting to have ones words taken out of context
Quote Posted by jp11 (here)
you now feel that it is necessary to take a stand.

Bill

Yes, I do. There’s such a lot of false or misleading information on the net this year – both about Elenin and also in Ben Fulford’s claims – that I think the way the alternative community is being deceived is extremely dangerous.

...and the intended meaning then altered. But then I'm sure you know how that feels. :lol:


Quote Posted by jp11 (here)
I read what David had to say and yelled...please let this be true, over and over again!

Bill

That’s the hook: people (very understandably) want to believe unsubstantiatable claims like this. Can you see the trap?

Yes I most assuredly can. I didn't say I believed what David wrote to be true, only that I wanted so much for it to be true. I am not quite so gullible as that. I am aware enough to be on my guard, as I would imagine most reading this are as well.

Until I see it, whatever it is, presented in front of my own eyes, will I know the truth or that it's real. But even then based on some info out there, how can I, you, or any of us know that it is not just another illusion?

I do however choose to believe that holding the thought of what I want this world to be in the forefront of my mind is important. I do my best to not be controlled or manipulated by the fear porn. And when it seems appropriate I communicate that thinking to others. But ultimately we only have control of ourself. I also choose to believe that the highest and greatest good for all will prevail, even if it doesn't look that way from my perspective.

Peace out
:hippie: :pound: :grouphug:

[the trojan]

"That’s the hook: people (very understandably) want to believe unsubstantiatable claims like this. Can you see the trap?

David has brought out a book.
The book needs publicity.
This months new age publicity focuses on Ben Fulford and his info.
And all around the noo age communities,the pots and pans are rattling!
Opininons are being formed ,forums are being fed and books are being sold.
Have a look at D W's articles on this ,he never forgets to give an update on how well his book is selling!

And his book,will just be a really long-winded explanation of the Collective conciousness, which my mother easily explained to me when i was a child,no book was needed.

I once wrote a book
I did the research,put everything into practice and spent a long time simplifying the info down and down and down.
The book became a magazine ,and down and down and down,then a pamphlet,and so on .....and the book became a couple of sheets.

I had removed all the anecdote,padding,common knowledge,references,....you know the usual stuff which is used to make a book worthy(in weight at least)
A publisher showed an interest in the concept and when I explained the above,he suggested I pad it out with ....anecdote,reference.common knowledge..after dinner mints.....ha a hh hah ah a h a !


The new age community is all about selling hope,and while they are selling it they are creating hierarchies of popularity,
And there is a lot of money to be made and a lot of travelling around the world being a celebrity(however minor) and being adulated and applauded when
standing on a stage repeating and repeating and being backed up by 'my sources,or their sources' who in turn back each other up.

I need to anecdote here!

Whenever I am in company and steer the conversation towards matters esoteric,i am mostly met with ridicule and scorn....unless I shout across the room to my partner
in order to have her back up what I am saying..,if she says that I am right the people in the room will then listen to what I have to say.
Do they perceive her as a truthful person and myself as a fabricator, ,she is in education ,Is it her social position and assumed smarts.
They expect proof from me,but only a nod from her.

I recently asked someone on this forum a couple of questions and they would not answer me,kept avoiding the questions until someone else came in,answered the question to back up the forum member,and in closing stated ,that they were not involved in anyway with the forum member but were basically endorsing their claims.that is an endorsement..they never offered any proof other than their word....


Bill is letting you all know what it is about.

"That’s the hook: people (very understandably) want to believe unsubstantiatable claims like this. Can you see the trap?


Well,can you see the trap?


These are the lyrics to an old anarchist band called poison girls,this is from the early eighties.....but is timeless,Rock n Roll refers to all entertainment industries,and I include the new age scene as a part of this.
State Control

lyrics by the Poison Girls

State control and rock and roll
Are run by clever men
What they sell is selling very well
And the price is up again
State control and rock and roll
Are run by clever men
What you know is what they show
So it all goes round again

State control and rock and roll
Are run by clever men
Politics are ultra chic
And wars are in again
State control and rock and roll
Are run by clever men
Revolution's this year's thing
We're on the streets again - and again

State control and rock and roll
Are run by clever men
It's all good for business
They're in the charts again - and again
State control and rock and roll
Are run by clever men
They build you up
And they break you down
Then you're on the dole again
And again

You know it's true but what can you do
Look for a gap and get out of the trap
It's a vicious circle try and break loose
Break out of the trap
Get out of the noose
You know it's true but what can you do
Cos what you're feeling
Is a human being
Not this year's thing or last year's thing
This year's thing or next year's thing...
State control and rock and roll
Are run by clever men
It's all good for business!

State control and rock and roll
Are run by clever men
And anarchy is this year's thing...


p.s. no need for copyright,a true anarchist band,the poison girls are a non profit making machine.

[Bollinger]

There are many levels and angles from which we can approach the assertions made by Wilcock and Fulford. I don't know if it is possible to rip this piece of information out of the personality of the two gentlemen and look at it in isolation but that is what we have to do. In other words, you cannot look at what either of them said in the past or what other claims or predictions they may have brought before us that perhaps we feel were off the mark. Why? Because it's just bad logic to assume if 4 out of 10 things you say are false, the other 6 must also be false. Not only that, but if we adopted that philosophy, we must discount everything that anyone says now simply because they were wrong in the past about something else.

The perspective I have on this is simply that the proof of the pudding is in the eating. At the risk of repeating myself, I did make a post or two in the other thread (regarding the Wilcock and Fulford interview) that the assertions seemed to me to be plausible. However, I was not prepared to say it is either a complete truth or falsehood because we have no real evidence either way. What I was most interested in was the prediction that within a space of 12 months all this would come to the surface and begin to make a real difference to all our everyday lives.

If I’ve understood Bill’s stance on this correctly, he seems to have made his mind up about the whole thing being complete misinformation and not deserving of any consideration, which of course, he’s completely within his right to do. However, I do have a slight bone of contention when we take statements like those below into consideration.


The inexorable global increase of consciousness is a rising tide that will float all boats.
What evidence or logic is this based on? Can consciousness increase? If so, can we measure it? If we can’t measure it, how do we know it is increasing?


There is a power struggle among the world's elite, but this may not be resolved for quite some time.
Bill continues to agree with the concept of the elite and a power struggle but then, what organisation is free from power struggle? It exists everywhere. It exists even within oneself, never mind in families, relationships, employments, governments and the elite; so nothing strange there. I find the second sentence even more baffling. The resolution of the power struggle (i.e. one side wins and the other loses) may not be favourable to us. The wrong side may win. So that sentence doesn’t really work.


We have to take responsibility for the desperate, critical state of Planet Earth and its beleaguered citizens. No-one else will do this for us. No ETs are going to interfere. They will only support our own efforts (while other darker entities try to impede them: the 'power struggle' - though not quite the right phrase here - exists in the astral, also).
This particular statement seems confused at best. What does taking responsibility for the planet mean? What is it that we’re not doing that we should be doing? How does one assume such responsibility? Is it real action, thought, meditation, preaching to the uninitiated? What? I know we keep saying the masses are waking up but the reality is the numbers are still too low to make any real difference.

The assertion seems to be that ETs simply sit there and watch us squirm on the planet’s surface under the foot of the elite knowing that we have next to no chance of ever breaking free. This seems at best to be rather callous and therefore unlikely.


The immediate threats before us are the wrecking of the global economy (sometime between next week and mid-2012), massive solar storms in 2013 (estimated), and possibly another unknown event set (or planned) to occur between now and the end of the year. I do NOT know what this is.)
I don’t know what to make of this statement. “Immediate threats” sounds like something that’s suddenly appeared. Don’t understand. Where does this information come from and what evidence is there to support it?


No easy way out folks. But as I've always said, if this were a rigged, fixed game, I'd not have incarnated here this lifetime.
There are people who believe that once you come here, do your time and go back, that is it. Provided you lived a reasonable life, you may ascend to higher realms and continue the endless journey. Reincarnation throws a massive spanner in that idea because it means there is the possibility that I might set myself back and end up having to reincarnate many times over just to satisfy karma (which I think goes hand in hand with the idea of reincarnation). Besides that, the statement falls over at the first post.

I’ll explain. Bill believes he incarnated here to help “correct” the wrongs that exist on this planet. He may or may not remember making this decision but that was the reason either way. But then, in previous statements he says it will take several more generations to change things. The question is this. Why would it be any easier to do this, 200 years from now? Was it more difficult 200 years in the past? Whose measuring stick do we use to calculate that level of difficulty with overthrowing the controllers and claiming back the planet? Is there some sort of calendar or schedule that must be kept? If so, the game is rigged because that schedule (presumably) cannot be altered.

My understanding was that we come here for the experience, not on a mission to save the planet (which if I may say sounds a little lofty). And has anyone considered the possibility that the state of affairs on this planet is, in fact, exactly as it was required and designed to be? What we find wrong with it is perhaps more to do with how in or out of tune we are with it. I myself would undoubtedly feel a lot better if we had a decent standard of living for everyone but, for whatever reason, we are not currently deemed worthy to receive such a gift so we continue as we are.

One final thing I wanted to say is that there really isn't anything out there that is sufficiently concrete and overwhelming to persuade the critical thinker when it comes to esoteric matters. There are just glimpses, fleeting moments of inspiration, small irregularities that disappear soon as they appear and words; lots and lots of words. When you mix it all up together because we have to give everything a fair hearing, you just get parity again; i.e. the status quo. Maybe that in the end is the intention anyway and if the truth is a needle, all you need to hide it is a stack of other things that might, from certain angles, look like needles themselves.

[Sirius White]

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No ETs are going to interfere. They will only support our own efforts (while other darker entities try to impede them: the 'power struggle' - though not quite the right phrase here - exists in the astral, also).

I remain optimistic. The situation here will take several generations to repair. But that's why you, and your children, are here. It's your job to handle this as much as it is anyone else's. That's why you're reading this, now.

:)

With my best wishes to all, Bill

I agree ET's will never interfere Bill, And i am pleased to see you say they can and do assist by supporting our efforts. Is supporting the same as intervening ???

Supporting is completely different from interfering.

Here's just one example. The ETs cannot land and take over the White House or the UN (or blow up underground bases, for that matter).

But they can incarnate in human bodies -- and then follow all human protocols, continuing their mission on the human playing field. That way the rules of the game are not violated.

Some of you will resonate personally with this. Of course, you cannot remember... that's one of the human protocols. :)

Yea at first I thought "man this sucks." I did begin to remember and "see" things I wasn't supposed to lol. Soon after that, experience after experience I understood why I wasn't allowed to remember certain things. But we DO remember, and yes, even in THIS life time. When the time is appropriate it will begin to flood back. But actually remembering right away, or all of it would compromise our "mission" here.

My "memories" of some events were so beyond the frame of what we call "3d" reference that I simply had to stop trying to "understand it" as my current physical self. It's one of those things that would lead to an insanity. So what I did was integrated this knowledge into my day to day life and knowledge-base which began to be more in tune with the amazing thing we call life :) Well....what this did is make all the "secrets" so clearly visible, so obvious that they no longer had anymore power as "secrets." But rather, just a tiny fractal and expression of the divine micro/macrocosm.

Your points about ascension, and good et's are 100% in conjunction wtih mine. Ascension won't just simply happen overnight (hence why I don't trust people that say that). It is not in a set method or pattern. ET's aren't just goin to come down and save us, what would then be the point in all this work as physical beings?? They do intervene in certain scenarios that cannot be helped my ourselves. And to make it clear to many out there, ET's are not just physical beings, many are completely invisible to us and operate at a level of existence that is completely different from ours.

Indeed. We incarnate into human bodies for various reasons. I was born entangled between two "kingdoms" if you will. I am torn between the sides, but I know as a soul my purpose was to amend this polarity for the sake of the success of this "experiment." I understand both sides...you know which sides I speak of.

I would like everyone here to know, that you are heroes in many worlds...in many dimensions. They are fully conscious of what is happening here, and some would give anything to be participating in this reality the way they are. While others admire and revere us for the bravery of coming here. In some ways, it's like throwing yourself into a vast unknown terrain full of quicksand.

Indeed they support not interfere. To interfere with destroy the entire purpose of this experiment.

If what Wilcock said is true then its possible that there is some sort of "war" beneath the earth (as there is here). Perhaps they deemed intervention of the DUMBS as necessary for proper continuation of the experiment. After all, a great deal of DUMBS work with beings who are not entirely.....human nor in the best interests of mankind. But still........this doesn't mean easy or instant success. As you and many others state- it takes hard work. People like us would not be here if they didn't need backup.

I once got this very distinct feeling/idea/thought. I knew..that if I AM here....then boy, the situation on this planet must be VERY serious. I thought about all the other people like us, and all those on the forum. This is what brings me hope.....this ongoing, upcoming and fast-becoming presence of awakening essences.

[Bill Ryan]

some whistleblowers, experiencers, writers and researchers after the original interviews go to some places which I cannot always necessarily support. Those include Leo Zagami, David Wilcock, Ben Fulford, Dan Burisch, Richard Hoagland, Jake Simpson, Clif High, Charles, and Inelia.Hi Bill,
I am very surprised to see Inelia's name in this list. Is it possible for you to elaborate?

Much respect,
Fifi

Hi, Fifi - please read here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29557-Spaceship-Earth-and-YOU-are-the-captain.&p=301587&viewfull=1#post301587

Inelia's original interview with myself I support 100%.

[norman]

That’s the hook: people (very understandably) want to believe unsubstantiatable claims like this. Can you see the trap?




That's what we all need each other for Bill.

Sometimes it's our turn to kick our mates out of the way of a flying missile.

Sometimes it's our turn to come round wondering what the hell our best mate did that for.

[Humble Janitor]

I am there with you in spirit. I am just busy with life in general.




If he is becoming more vague, it may be because the information he is now privy to is much more important and more secret than any he had in the past. From what he reports, he has developed a network of insiders and whistleblowers over the years who are involved in or knowledgeable about increasingly more vital projects.
A few years ago, he might not have been so vague, but he did not have to be so careful then about protecting his sources and honoring his promise not to reveal what he had not been given permission to disclose.
So I find his current vagueness quite plausible.
And I'm very grateful that he is willing to reveal as much as he has.
I for one have been feeling the need for the very kind of validating information he has been sharing.
I am finding it more easy to believe as time goes by, just because I have a very strong gut feeling there is something to it, regardless of how vague or implausible it may appear on the surface.
I also think DW has been appealing to us to listen to our own inner guidance for a reason; not because he doesn't have valid information to share, but because that's what we need to be doing in any case, being more centered and grounded in ourselves and not swayed by every new rumor or news story.

I used to respect him but I don't know anymore. Something is certainly happening but I've learned over the past year that you can never be TOO optimistic. David's view is still quite refreshing and I don't get the ego vibe from him. Of course, if he's promoting a book, you're going to hear more stuff that is questionable.

OUCH!! HJ, but the really good, posiitve upbeat news is that today you have an opportunity to join with the entire planet to raise the vibrations of human emotions in conjunction with Occupy the Planet, Occupy the World, World Revolution day, October 15th saturday 2011.

If you choose not to join US, you can always Occupy Uranus instead! lol

[passiglight]

I am wondering which ET'S we are talking about ,when we are ascribing ET values to events ?????????

i mean this is the important question here,,,,,,

Who's activity are we debating exaCTLY ??

[lightning23]

:closed::closed:

[Carmody]

I don't know which is scarier:
the fact that you found pictures of hippies in space proving that you're an old-school Treker; or
the fact that I recognized these pictures from the original Star Trek series.
YIKES!

Kirk: "What's a 'Herbert', Spock?"

[Carmody]

some whistleblowers, experiencers, writers and researchers after the original interviews go to some places which I cannot always necessarily support. Those include Leo Zagami, David Wilcock, Ben Fulford, Dan Burisch, Richard Hoagland, Jake Simpson, Clif High, Charles, and Inelia.

Hi Bill,
I am very surprised to see Inelia's name in this list. Is it possible for you to elaborate?

Much respect,
Fifi

specifics are a thing that takes shape as being workable for the one given person, in most cases. Each person has their own developmental path, so no single specific truth will ever suffice for all individual paths. The very idea of incarnation is about individual path development and individual seeking. To learn a form of 'multidimensional life/living' applicable lessons that one can carry into their dimensional future.

There will be no relaxing of the issues, in their entirety. Contrast must be extant, otherwise no learning would take place. We will exchange old problems for new. As the bus careens between the banks of the road or given path/timeline, corrections will be made. No change will ever be global, all inclusive or sharp (all at the same time), as that invites disaster on a similar scale as the given 'correction'. The desire for harmony is what helps steer the system. But...slowly....carefully.

Remain steadfast in your ideals and ethics and transmit this to the world stage both personally and universally.

And in that act, you have chance to touch or influence the steering wheel and help steer the bus to safer passage.

It matters not what specifics I might egoically feel are universal for all, as desires go. There are 7 billion other incarnated beings who have a life path that I think I have no right to alter.

I dare not step into the karma of existing within that very human frailty of extending myself via ego--into others.

[onawah]

White Feather has compiled a list of links regarding ET intervention with nuclear missiles and more here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30352-Are-UFO-s-Intervening-On-Planet-Earth-By-Shutting-Down-Nuclear-Facilities&p=333454#post333454
It seems to me to be an important part of the issue on this thread (whether or not ETs are assisting us or not) though there hasn't been much discussion on that as yet.

[Cottage Rose]

Hi there - please do ask me some questions about the "great deal of material presented by guests you and (sometimes) Kerry have vetted then interviewed you do not stand by." I'd be as interested as others to know if that stands up. :)

I think that I may be able to reassure you. This is really very important. Do ask anything you like. Be totally specific. Only specifics will be helpful.

Without knowing what you have in mind, I'd say that before Kerry and I (to a large extent) parted company at the end of 2009, I'd stand by about 85-90% of Camelot testimony. I believe I've stated those kinds of proportions before. Once Kerry started making her own decisions about who to report (or champion), that figure drops a little.

When I started working independently, the 85-90% figure still pretty much holds.

What has to be remembered is that some whistleblowers, experiencers, writers and researchers after the original interviews go to some places which I cannot always necessarily support. Those include Leo Zagami, David Wilcock, Ben Fulford, Dan Burisch, Richard Hoagland, Jake Simpson, Clif High, Charles, and Inelia. There may be one or two more, but that's just nine out of literally many dozens.

The degrees of change or deviation in their message (or its detail) vary across quite a large spectrum, from the minor to the quite major. In most of the above, the information in the initial interview(s) was pretty much authentic. It's an interesting phenomenon that after that, the quality of the testimony sometimes changes. Meanwhile, I could table a long list of witnesses whose testimony I stand by 100%.

All best wishes, Bill

Thank you for providing the list of whistleblowers, experiencers, writers and researchers whose current information you disagree with, Bill. I see you have elaborated on David Wilcock and Inelia. Would it be possible to provide further information describing your areas of disagreement with the others on the list? I would be most interested in hearing your current opinions.

[Sirius White]

As I understand it ET's have intervened before. In the 80's there was an alternate probability that was foreseen in which a great deal of the population of earth was wiped out thanks to massive solar flares. Even NASA was scared at the time. As I understand it many ET's actually intervened on behalf of us since we had no way of really protecting ourselves from it. Similar to how we already have natural "barriers" (like van allen belt, atmosphere, etc) to protect us, what they did is to create another one based on some kind of frequency. They did other things too to "veil" what was happening in our upper atmosphere and immediate space (besides, ever wonder why you don't see all the visitors coming and going in our skies?). Many civilizations more advanced but similar to ourselves did come in the early 1900's all the way to 80's and intervened in some small things.

You see they intervene in things that are not just going to destroy the planet or ourselves, but affect the universal balance of things. If we destroyed ourselves through nuclear warfare- the kind of effect it would have on other civilizations and worlds would be very big actually. Why? Well....it's difficult to explain and many here won't believe me. I don't have all the answers either but I can share what I can believe to be a small part of it. The earth is unique in the sense, that it is what we call an evolving, and "Ascending" planet. Yes, all things have consciousness, but there is a "network" or system, which one could coin "multi-dimensional" embedded into the planet. People have called it the "core computer," others the tablets of Destiny, the Planetary Templar, or the "Stargate" network. If you want to know how ET's come and go with such ease.....well this is a part of it. Why some dive into the ocean and come out of the ocean, or congregate at certain areas....We are "tied" to this system as we are tied to the planet, and this system is to the galaxy, and galaxy beyond that galaxy etc. Imagine a template that works in a micro/macro level. As much as it happens to be pure luck/happenstance it is also a divine will, in other words a "design" left over from which the universe itself first came into being as it "unfolded" outwards into manifest.

So, what goes on here affects a great deal of not just other worlds in our universe, but in other dimensions and universes. As does what goes on there to here (as above so below). Since earth is a vast, ongoing and also very important project to MANY groups in our multi-verse....we have become a "hotspot" for activity from all kinds of places. Some of the beings came in an began to analyze people, even meet people face to face, take them on ships, show them things (like Lloyd Zirbes who did the "falling bodies" theories, and also noted how the nuclear activity displaced magnetic field of earth). Some came and made some Nuclear weapons completely unusable, among other things. These might of even been beings from the inner earth (I believe this to be in another harmonic close to our own) so to speak.

Good ET's intervene ALL the time....guardian angels, whatever the hell you want to call them. But they don't intervene so they can come down here and do all the work. Or suddenly proclaim "you are free" because we wouldn't really value that, we haven't as a collective species truly learned the value of being free. People think they are FREE right now with all their consumerism and time spent in the 9-5 illusion. They intervene in matters that we cannot and in matters that are beyond space-time in understanding, as if in how it would affect us in the long run. Sometimes there are "renegade" groups that break and bend the rules a bit, but they have to be very discreet. I would love for these "Asshole hippies" from space to be real. I would definitely welcome their presence in cleaning out some of the underground facilities. But I dunno, seems to good to be true so like I said don't be fearful but remain vigilant :)

Take care all.

[Calz]

I meant that we humans cannot easily remember who we are or where we can from. Recovering those memories is absolutely possible (and does happen increasingly frequently).



Can you take a moment to elaborate on this statement?

While you could be referring to hypnosis ... I would assume you are talking about the method as decribed in the Ron's Org text. At the time you released that I found it to be interesting and I thought there was to be a follow-up of sorts. If there ever was I missed it. You have made it clear (no pun) the distinction between Ron's Org and Scientology. Perhaps if we could revisit that a bit it might help in understanding the basis for some of your opinions and belief system.

Something else that might be helpful, if you are willing, is to further elaborate on what became of the workshop tour with Inelia. I thank you for the link to one of your posts that help delineate your position on what she said regarding a "split" (and you will notice a gave a "thank you" to the post at that time) ... but I think there is still some confusion regarding the overall situation. I just took a look at the "bill & inelia" website and see the message directing people to go to her own website for information on Inelia and avalon for yours. I knew some workshops had been cancelled. It would appear your "working" relationship is not going forward. Not digging for anything of a "personal nature" ... simply clarification.

Cal

[Calz]

Dream work.

Anyone who has followed David for awhile knows he relies heavily on the information he pulls in from his dreams. Those that take the time and effort to remember and document their dreams suggest we can all access information from the Spiritual realm that way.

Perhaps it is good to be reminded of that fact in context with DW's stance on current events. I believe it is much more than reliance on sources. He has been suggesting for several years that, through his dreams, he was being given information that clearly implies the eventual demise of the illuminati (by whatever name you wish to refer to "them" as). He has on many occasions made it clear that things will look quite dark and seemlingly hopeless but that "Spirit ... the Universe" (again whatever name resonates with you) will step in at the last minute.

Cal

[Calz]

I don't know which is scarier:
the fact that you found pictures of hippies in space proving that you're an old-school Treker; or
the fact that I recognized these pictures from the original Star Trek series.
YIKES!

Kirk: "What's a 'Herbert', Spock?"


In Star Trek TOS did space hippies chant Herbert Herbert Herbert and if so why?

Yes, they chanted Herbert, and why is because the name is synonymous with a character referenced by Spock in his explanation to Kirk, of a man named Herbert who was rigid in his thinking and limited knowledge. They were taunting Kirk for being "the man" and "the establishment" in this ridiculous period of the 60's where TV (writers who were obviously much older than the real hippies of that era) often patronizingly ridiculed the youth of that era.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/In_Star_Trek_TOS_did_space_hippies_chant_Herbert_Herbert_Herbert_and_if_so_why#ixzz1azumeEKC

[aranuk]

Bill wrote: "My post was not insulting of David. It simply stated that I didn’t believe a word of his report – regarding the claimed destruction of the underground bases."

Just to be clear, originally David Wilcock reported only what Ben Fulford had said in the interview, that 2 bases had been destroyed by nuclear weapons.
Then apparently he heard revised versions of what had happened from other sources (quite a few, apparently), and the story changed gradually.
The headline on the Divine Cosmos site at:
http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/981-undergroundbasesnewinfo
states: Disclosure Imminent? Part II: Many More Bases Destroyed
But in the actual article, it is stated that the additional bases were actually not destroyed, but were emptied apparently with ET assistance, using some sort of air pressure device.
"MANY underground bases have now been completely cleared out... materials, equipment, and personnel... by yet-unknown forces.
An international coalition, intending to overthrow the Old World Order and free humanity from enslavement, is claiming responsibility. They also appear to have extraterrestrial assistance in this mission."

If we go to:
http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/975-undergroundbases
it states:
" I am not permitted to go into specifics, but I can now comfortably say that in addition to the first 8, MANY additional bases have now had all personnel and materials mysteriously removed. It happened within the last week. In this case, the rooms are still there, but they are now empty -- except for some broken pieces of furniture."

The revised version says the first two bases were actually destroyed after being emptied of both personnel and equipment, though not by nuclear devices, as there was no radiation.
http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/981-undergroundbasesnewinfo
"THE UNDERGROUND BASES
According to our best, most trusted insiders, these same "tree-hugging" ETs have now been clearing out underground facilities around the world. The first two were near Washington, DC and Denver, Colorado.
This occurred on the same day my new book, The Source Field Investigations, was released. This was a great shock to me as the story began coming together over the following weeks.
As I explained in Part One, and as Fulford's sources confirmed, each of these bases were destroyed by an explosive force that caused massive surface earthquakes -- including the largest East Coast earthquake in a century.
These earthquakes had very unusual properties that were identical to what we see after underground nukes have been detonated. However, we also now know that no radiation was involved.

EVERYTHING APPARENTLY GOT PORTALED OUT

Audio recordings of what occurred inside these bases were captured before their destruction.

As a result, the insiders now know that for 24 hours before each of these bases was destroyed, they heard massive sounds of sliding furniture -- and people yelling and screaming.

Part of what is so strange about this is that even tables that were bolted to the floor were unscrewed and removed. All that was left behind was furniture that was broken.

By putting two and two together, it appears that massive portals were created inside these bases. All the materials and all the personnel were pulled out before the first two facilities were destroyed.

The destruction, as I said, was apparently caused by a spontaneous 20-fold increase in air pressure.

SIX MORE BASES WERE SUBSEQUENTLY WIPED OUT

The next reliable piece of information that came in was that the Powers that Were refused to surrender, even after this very impressive show of invincible force.

I have been told that the amount of equipment -- including craft that would have been used to fake an alien invasion -- that was cleared out in the first two events alone was enough to constitute a critical, irreversible defeat for them.

Nonetheless, they still refused to give up. Perhaps they've watched too many sports games and still want to live by the old adage that "it ain't over 'til it's over."

Six additional bases, not restricted to the United States, were then cleared out after the first two.

We do not know when this happened, where it happened, and whether or not they were physically destroyed -- only that all the materials and personnel were removed.

MANY MORE HAVE NOW BEEN CLEARED

Right near the end of September, the next wave occurred -- and this time it was much more significant. I was given an exact number and asked not to repeat it. In order to preserve the integrity and trust of my sources, I will withhold these specifics.

Suffice it to say that within a short period of time, perhaps all in the same day, a significantly larger number of bases were all cleared out.

The reports, again, are the same: audio recordings reveal the sounds of furniture sliding all over the place and people yelling. In this case, the bases are still there, but all the materials, spacecraft, et cetera have all been removed -- except for the broken furniture."

So first the revised report says that the subsequent bases may have also been destroyed after being emptied, but the last statement is that the emptied bases are still there, and were not destroyed.
So according to the final version thus far, 2 bases were destroyed and an undisclosed number were emptied, their contents removed elsewhere.

I just wanted to be clear about this. For me, the idea of nuclear weapons being used was what made the story seem completely unbelievable initially. It gradually became more believable as DW accessed more sources and it was stated that there was no radiation, and so nuclear devices were apparently not used.
And more believable as it was stated that personnel were not killed, but just relocated, because I think ETs would not destroy or kill, and would prevent nuclear weapons from being used by humans against humans.
I'm not saying I buy the whole story, but I feel there could be some truth in it.

Of course I understand what Bill is saying here: "That’s the hook: people (very understandably) want to believe unsubstantiatable claims like this. Can you see the trap? "

But I also think that if we have no hope, it is very difficult to create a more positive paradigm.
False hope can result in disillusion and victimization, of course, but I think there is reason to hope, and that we are being assisted, and that there are many positive shifts happening in the paradigm now.
"Just a feeling" perhaps, but until there is proof that it's all a fabrication, I will continue to think there may be some truth in this story.

I mean that whole story is sort of believable in a way, but I can't help wondering if this is disinfo which has been offered to DW.Then why the story about broken furniture. Broken friggin' furniture???? I have this mental picture of ET's creating stargate vortices, then evacuating thousands of people and so called alien craft to be used with an alien invasion etc. Unbolting desks screwed to the floor and teleporting them through stargates. Who broke the friggin' furniture? AND why? The mind boggles. The starship captain has ordered the breaking up of furniture before they left. Were some beings taking their spite out on the furniture. It is curious that I can accept the ET story but can't believe the broken furniture. That's where I am at folks.:p

Stan

[KiwiElf]

One rotten potato in a bag doesn't necessarily make the whole bag rotten - discernment folks. The baby and the bathwater analogy. Tuck it in the "gray area" folder until more information is forthcoming. ;)

[onawah]

I know how you feel, aranuk! I really balked at that part about the furniture too. :pout::bs:

First though, I was having some really awful feelings about the DUMBs being nuked :boom::hurt:
(I wouldn't wish that on anyone, even TPTW.)
Then some really funny visions of people getting sucked out of the DUMBs :lever::rapture:
Maybe some more plausible explanation will come in time.
Who knows?
I freely confess, I don't.
But the tantalizing possibilities have freed up my imagination, and allowed me to think about other possibilities, so even if the whole thing is a hoax, I think it's served a good purpose.
I forget who posted it--maybe Pi'e'neal--but it was something about how TPTW actually create more space for good things to happen when they do something nefarious.
If that's true, and I think perhaps it is, we really can't lose.

It's just a matter of time, even if it's only as Bill has stated, "The inexorable global increase of consciousness is a rising tide that will float all boats. "

I think that's very possible too. For another explanation of how that might look, see my post at:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32638-Master-Crystals-of-Poseida-Archangel-Metatron-via-James-Tyberonn-Part-3-of-11-11-11
Yes, it's channnled info, but this channeler is one that even the skeptics like.

Meanwhile, the report about the DUMB sucking, broken furniture, etc. is at the following link for those who need an update:
http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/981-undergroundbasesnewinfo

and this is the part that is putting our imaginations into a twist:
"Part of what is so strange about this is that even tables that were bolted to the floor were unscrewed and removed. All that was left behind was furniture that was broken.
By putting two and two together, it appears that massive portals were created inside these bases. All the materials and all the personnel were pulled out before the first two facilities were destroyed.
The destruction, as I said, was apparently caused by a spontaneous 20-fold increase in air pressure."



Who broke the friggin' furniture? AND why? The mind boggles. The starship captain has ordered the breaking up of furniture before they left. Were some beings taking their spite out on the furniture. It is curious that I can accept the ET story but can't believe the broken furniture. That's where I am at folks.:p
Stan

[onawah]

Just for fun, here are a few interesting posts on the Divine Cosmos site from some of the readers there at:
http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/981-undergroundbasesnewinfo
"Scorpio 29/11
October 13, 2011

NOTICE;VERY URGENT DIRECT EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT/CONFORMATION OF D.U.M.B. EVACUATION AND DESTRUCTION.

DAVID OR SITE MANAGER;PLEASE POST THIS AT YOUR DISCRETION. THIS IS FIRST HAND, EYEWITNESS CONFIRMATION OF THESE EVENTS TAKING PLACE.I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING YOUR WORK FOR A WHILE. KUDOS TO YOU,MY FRIEND.I AND MY WIFE,( BOTH 29/11'S) ARE "ONE OF YOU". FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME TO DISCUSS THIS FURTHER IF YOU WISH.

BRIEFLY,HERES THE DEAL. I LIVE IN A VERY REMOTE S.CA. MOUNTAIN AREA N.W. OF EDWARDS AFB. IT HAS BEEN SAID, AND IT HAS TAKEN ME A WHILE TO BELIEVE IN THIS, BUT NOW, IT HAS BEEN CONFIRMED WAY BEYOND ANY REASONABLE DOUBT!

THERE IS SAID TO EXIST A PLACE CALLED THE "ANTHILL" A 47 STORY MASSIVE UNDERGROUND FACILITY, ILLEGEDLY THE LARGEST "SAUCER" FACTORY IN THE WORLD.(PER DON CROFT)WELL,ON THE VERY SAME NIGHT(9/28-9/29)WE WERE LISTENING TO SHELDON NIDLE, "TELL" US THAT THIS WAS ALL HAPPENING,THAT "WE" ARE FINALLY GETTING "SERIOUS", GOING BEYOND THE PRIME DIRECTIVE, AND NOW, HAVE DIRECT AUTHORITY TO "KICK SOME ASS", WE THAN,RECIEVED DIRECT VISUAL CONFORMATION.

EVERY NIGHT LATELY, WHAT AT FIRST APPEAR TO BE STARS, BOTH "FLOAT" OVER THE MOUNTAIN, AND BEGIN TO MOVE. THEY BEGIN TO "FLY", LIKE A FIREFLY MORE THAN A PLANE WITH SOMEWHAT JERKY MOVEMENT, THEN, THEY "HIT THE LIGHTS", AND BEGIN FLASHING, LIKE A PLANE, BUT SILENTLY.

THIS, IS PRETTY STANDARD STUFF. BUT, ON THESE TWO NIGHTS HERE'S WHAT OCCURED. AS SOON AS IT WAS DARK, WHAT IS VIRTUALLY A "DEAD AREA" AIRSPACE WISE,(I CAN SEE 100 MI'S PLUS IN ALL DIRECTIONS FROM OUR MOUNTAINTOP)TURNED INTO WHAT LITERALL SEEMED LIKE CHICAGO O'HARE.

THE PLACE CAME ALIVE.SO MUCH SO, THAT I THOUGHT, HOLY ****, CAN'T EVERYONE "SEE" THIS? YOU GUYS ARE BEING WAY TOO OBVIOUS.

WITHIN THE FIRST TEN MINUTES 100'S OF SHIPS WERE VERY OBVIOUSLY AND FRANTICALLY COMING AND GOING,AS IF ON A VERY URGENT TIMELINE,ALL ON THE SAME EXACT FLIGHT PATH.

A "BEACON STAR" (LIGHTSHIP) RISES LIKE CLOCK WORK EVERYNIGHT IN THE SAME EXACT SPOT. THIS TIME A VERY BRIGHT,LARGE OBJECT APPEARING TO LOOK VERTICAL, LIKE A CROSS, RISES VERY OBVIOUSLY OVER THE MOUNTAIN. THEN IT HEADS 2-3 MI'S,STRAIGHT ACROSS THE SKY, WITHOUT ANY LIGHTS (SOLID LIKE AN ORB)CRUISES COMPLETELY SILENTLY,(as they all do)RIGHT OVER OUR PLACE, AND THEN "PARKS", RIGHT THERE OVERHEAD FOR HOURS.

THEN, THE TRAFFIC BEGINS. HEAVY, HEAVY TRAFFIC.LIGHTSHIPS PRETENDING TO BE "PLANES" (I NEVER BELIEVED THIS WAS OCCURRING WHEN MONTHS AGO,PEOPLE ON YOUTUBE SHOWED THIS, BUT HERE IT IS NONE THE LESS)THE NEXT DAY, I TELL MY WIFE THIS AND SHE COMES OUT ON FRIDAY NIGHT TO TAKE A LOOKSY.

WELL, HERES WHAT HAPPENED. I FELT A LITTLE STUPID, FOR ALL OF A SUDDEN, THIS NIGHT AFTER 2 AMAZING NIGHTS, THE TRAFFIC STOPS, ALMOST COMPLETELY.

NOW, I'M LOOKING LIKE A PSYCHOTIC. NO PROBLEM. SHE, AND I KNOW BETTER. THIS NIGHT, OUT OF THE BLUE, SOME "CLOUDS" ROLL IN, AND WHAT SEEMS LIKE A THUNDER STORM, BEGINS TO "BREW".

WELL, AS WE WERE OUT, FEELING A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED, WHAT APPEARED TO BE LIGHTENING STRIKES BEGAN TO OCCUR. AS WE ALL KNOW, LIGHTENING COMES FROM THE SKY RIGHT? THESE "STRIKES" WHERE COMING OFF THE GROUND, FROM BEHIND THE MOUNTAIN.

WE SAT AND WATCHED NINE, COUNT EM, NINE, LARGE LIGHT PULSES( AS IN TERMINATION, COMPLETEION, ENDINGS, DESTRUCTION)STRIKES, ALL COMING OFF THE GROUND.

SINCE THEN, ACTIVITY HAS DWINDLED TO VERY LIGHT TRAFFIC. THAT IS MY STORY.

I ALSO HAVE HAD A VERY INTUITIVE FEELING, AFTER A PERIOD OF INTENSE QUESTIONING RE THE ADVANCEMENT OF THIS 2012 TIMELINE, AND EVENTS "UNFOLDING".

AS OF LATE, I FEEL THAT SEVERAL THINGS MIGHT BE ALL COMING TO A HEAD AT ONCE,IN THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS.(OCT-11/11/11) DISCLOSURE, MASSIVE FLARE ACTIVITY AS WE ENTER THE PHOTON BELT ( 10/15/11?)TEMPORARY MONETARY INTERUPTION ETC.

THOUGHT I WOULD SHARE. AS ALWAYS, ALL IS WELL. DO NOT FEAR, FOR WE INDEED ARE BEING ASSISTED. PEACE OUT."


"Cherie
October 13, 2011
...

Must report my unbridled delight upon reading the phrase "Asshole Hippies from Outer Space".

This characterization managed, with one stroke, to imbue the whole long tedious process of Disclosure with a new brand of humor - beyond the sardonic and ironic that's been the only recourse of humor til now.

That's weirdly important.

For the first time, I can feel a real joy in contemplating our current stage in this seemingly endless struggle with the dark miasm.

Nothing like a hit of joy to boost one's confidence in how things are unfolding!"


(Note from OP: A. Deane totally creeps me out. But I liked the MODs comment. )
"Mirko
October 13, 2011
...

Please check out the Information presented by Ashayana Deane.

According to Ashayana there is (since ~2000) a split between a group of co-conspiring ET races (United Intruder Resistance=UIR) and a now relatively small Drakonian/Zeta cabal, which controls the Angloamerican Establishment (G5 States according to Benjamin Fulford). BOTH GROUPS ARE NOT TRUSTWORTHY!

The "asshole hippies" could be the UIR guys kicking the Drakonians out of power -- in other words: They are real assholes. Their voices are just a little more gentle.

[Moderator: There are so many contradictions between Asheyana Deane's material and the Law of One that we cannot endorse it as credible.

Any cosmology in which "all ETs are bad" is obviously flawed, just due to the sheer infinity of the Cosmos -- not to mention David's scientific proof that we live in a universe made of loving, conscious energy!]"

"Z.Monkey
October 13, 2011
...

"Asshole Hippies from Outer Space."

LOL, I can hear a crusty old general saying that.

That analogy is largely true. Christ said you will not enter my kingdom unless you are like a child.

By living in harmony with Cosmic Law we achieve optimum health, which makes one look young, and fit, regardless of age.

Also upholding Cosmic Law we seem perhaps a little controlling, but the Law is the Law. They can test it at their discretion, and the Lords of Karma can deliver their answers personally.

If there is a visual analogy, I would say that they (The Space Hippies) are like The Nox from the Stargate SG-1 Series.

They are peaceful, and childlike, despite their extreme age (100's of years), natural clothing, long hair, and their silent willful ability to control vast, mysterious forces.

This is the result of their aligning themselves with the Will of The All, One... Living Cosmic Law...

It must be quite a paradox from a military standpoint..."

"Hawaiian Eye
October 13, 2011
...

Great stuff David. The only thing you said that concerned me was the new financial system would be electronic which is what the NWO wanted. With no currency they could simply close your account if you didn't comply.

If there was still currency you still have access to provisions so to speak.

I also check out Benjamin Fulford's website too and hope to see some of this info in the mainstream puppet media to give some of this info a little validity, as you know you can't beleive everything you read.

You're right about the love part and we all have a part to play here according to our contracts. I keep thinking what a mess we have after the dark cabal has been deep sixed.

The asshole hippies from outer space could be a title to a movie by itself. Once read that, I laughed so hard I almost fell out of my chair!

I pray that this information is true and the world can finally move on. Keep the good work up. I look forward for your next update.

[Moderator: David did mention this when he was on Coast. It is not all electronic. There will be coin money that has real gold and silver in it as well. Paper money is backed by commodities and everything can be audited online by anyone.]"

"Mary
October 13, 2011
...

Does anyone else feel like they are standing at the top of a slide at a funfair?

The trouble(?) with living in duality is having to hold two absolutely different ideas in ones head at the same time, and believing both.....

"It's all mad - It's all true"

So thank you so much David Wilcock, for being you and sharing your mad/true thoughts with us. Keep on keeping on - please."

"Filip
October 13, 2011
...

Thanks David for all your hard work my friends and I were also picking up that it was higher up taking out bases shortly after the quakes.

A bell went off in my head to check your website an hour after you posted this. Happy to be in sync.

I honestly think the greatest contribution the powers that "were" have even given me in my life is the title of "Asshole Hippies from Outer Space" I will wear it proudly.

Thanks for Everything
See you at the Expo

-Fil"

[Calz]

Some "fun food" to nibble on for those who find teleportation of the contents of the bases too much to digest ...


February 6, 2001

Anton Zeilinger to Speak on "Quantum Experiments and the Foundations of Physics" At Brookhaven Lab, February 28

UPTON, NY - Anton Zeilinger, a professor of experimental physics at the University of Vienna, will give a free public lecture at the U.S. Department of Energy's Brookhaven National Laboratory on Wednesday, February 28, at 4 p.m. in Berkner Hall. The title of his lecture is "Quantum Experiments and the Foundations of Physics."

In this talk, Prof. Zeilinger will focus on his experiments involving the quantum interference of hot fullerene molecules, comprised of 60 carbon atoms, which are the most massive objects showing quantum behavior so far. He will also discuss recent studies of quantum entanglement, and demonstrate esoteric phenomena known to science fiction buffs as quantum crytography and quantum teleportation.

After earning a Ph.D. in physics and mathematics from the Universität Wien in Austria in 1971, Zeilinger stayed on at the Technical University of Vienna as an assistant professor until 1981. He also became a research associate at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) as a Fulbright Fellow in 1977, and, in 1981, Zeilinger became an associate professor of physics at MIT. In 1983, he returned to the Technical University of Vienna. In 1990, he joined the Universität Innsbruck in Austria as a full professor, and in 1999 he assumed his current position at the University of Vienna.

President of the Austrian Physical Society from 1996 to 1998, and a Fellow of the American Physical Society, Zeilinger has won numerous honors, including the 'Austrian Scientist of the Year' award in 1996, and the Senior Humboldt Fellow Prize and the Science Prize of the City of Vienna, both in 2000.

For more information about the lecture, call 631-344-2345. Brookhaven Lab is located on William Floyd Parkway (County Road 46), one-and-a-half miles north of Exit 68 of the Long Island Expressway.

The U.S. Department of Energy's Brookhaven National Laboratory creates and operates major facilities available to university, industrial and government personnel for basic and applied research in the physical, biomedical and environmental sciences, and in selected energy technologies. The Laboratory is operated by Brookhaven Science Associates, a not-for-profit research management company, under contract with the U.S. Department of Energy.


http://www.bnl.gov/bnlweb/pubaf/pr/2001/bnlpr020601.htm

Now ... my question is this.

If some of our "absent minded professors" :nerd: here on Gaia can pull off this stuff (at least in theory) then is it really such a stretch to imagine ET having technology that can do the trick???

Could go back a lot further?

From KiwiElf:


1939: Brookhaven Research Labs in New Jersey perfects single- and multi-element teleportation.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30004-History-Amended-100-Years-of-Deception

[onawah]

Wow! That is a lot of information.
If we can teleport, the ETs certainly can.
And I'm sure we can, as I used to know a Marine who had top secret security clearance and was an honorary bodyguard for Pres. Johnson. He said as much, though I couldn't believe it at the time, and that was in the 60s.

I know a guy locally who used to be a driver for Linda Moulton Howe. I've asked him if he can confirm this bit:
1983: Second attempt at public disclosure regarding UFOs and Extraterrestrial situation. Linda Moulton-Howe is allegedly contacted by MJ-12 and HBO. She is
to have access to 68,000 feet of motion picture film of disks, landings, aliens, etc. She is also designated to meet one of the aliens, designated EBE-II. Howe is allegedly told of "serious nature" of the situation by MJ-12 revealing why Kennedy had to be "eliminated," (because he wanted to release information on the situation in 1963). Project is again cancelled.

That's from:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30004-History-Amended-100-Years-of-Deception

[TWINCANS]

David’s a good friend, and I respect his knowledge and intellect a great deal. My strong personal opinion is that in this instance he is mistaken, and has been misinformed. I’m pretty sure I know who one of his sources is, and if I'm correct, he's absolutely not to be trusted. And, if pushed, I can prove that without question.


I've been hoping this info would be forthcoming as it is probably the missing link at least as far as you, Bill, see this nuking of the DUMBS issue. There have been many names listed already, so could you let us know this one? Many thanks.

[meeradas]

That's from:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30004-History-Amended-100-Years-of-Deception

That's a 404

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Mod-edit: link works now :) :cow: :)

[Calz]

That's from:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30004-History-Amended-100-Years-of-Deception

That's a 404

He is linking to the same thread from KiwiElf I did the post before.

Take that link then scroll down to 1983 ...

===

Mod-edit: link works now :) :cow: :)

[KiwiElf]

I know a guy locally who used to be a driver for Linda Moulton Howe. I've asked him if he can confirm this bit:
1983: Second attempt at public disclosure regarding UFOs and Extraterrestrial situation. Linda Moulton-Howe is allegedly contacted by MJ-12 and HBO. She is to have access to 68,000 feet of motion picture film of disks, landings, aliens, etc. She is also designated to meet one of the aliens, designated EBE-II. Howe is allegedly told of "serious nature" of the situation by MJ-12 revealing why Kennedy had to be "eliminated," (because he wanted to release information on the situation in 1963). Project is again cancelled.

I wouldn't mind knowing the answer to that myself Onawah - not to mention a few other points on that post - I wonder if Linda Moulton Howe herself would admit it even if it's true ?? ;)

[music]

This really does not resonate with me. The thing that particularly rang alarm bells was the phrase "asshole hippies from outerspace" - too much of a soundbite - I find no authenticity there.

[Calz]

This really does not resonate with me. The thing that particularly rang alarm bells was the phrase "asshole hippies from outerspace" - too much of a soundbite - I find no authenticity there.

Welcome to Avalon :welcome:

[music]

This really does not resonate with me. The thing that particularly rang alarm bells was the phrase "asshole hippies from outerspace" - too much of a soundbite - I find no authenticity there.

Welcome to Avalon :welcome:

Thank you, much appreciated :)

[music]

in this ridiculous period of the 60's where TV (writers who were obviously much older than the real hippies of that era) often patronizingly ridiculed the youth of that era.



H R Puffenstuff was laden with that, masquerading as funky and psychadelic kiddies fun, but seeded with messages of right wing conformity

[Calz]

in this ridiculous period of the 60's where TV (writers who were obviously much older than the real hippies of that era) often patronizingly ridiculed the youth of that era.



H R Puffenstuff was laden with that, masquerading as funky and psychadelic kiddies fun, but seeded with messages of right wing conformity

I was born in 55 so I remember some of what was going on. Interesting times looking back retrospectively (of course at the time, it was what it was ... the environment we grew up in).

I even ... (*blush*) had a *medallion*! :sarcastic:

[DNA]

This really does not resonate with me. The thing that particularly rang alarm bells was the phrase "asshole hippies from outerspace" - too much of a soundbite - I find no authenticity there.

Maybe,,,,as I welcome our newest member and I bow lowly. :thank_you2:

But if you factor the space brother contacts of the fifties, and the Billy Meier contacts,,,these millitary types would be calling them something.
And "asshole hippies from outer space" sounds like a genuine phrase that could have caught on as early as the sixties or seventies.

[PathWalker]

I am excited and impatient.

[Calz]

I am going to post something here which is "off topic".

I really don't wish to ruffle any feathers (with this or *any* post).

I think this is important and not shoved off to the side as a disclaimer necessary sub forum post.

Here is from Bill early this year. Note he is *only* commenting on the observed craft and not on James Gilliland or the ECETI Ranch per se.




how do you get in, is there a way to get invited to go there or what ?

You can just pretty much turn up... but maybe first contact James at http://eceti.org. (http://eceti.org)

Kerry and I went there three years ago. We arrived at 4 pm, and had to leave at 9 am the next morning. We'd heard all the stories, but figured we'd not be there nearly long enough to have the lucky chance of spotting anything.

We were astounded. UFOs all over the sky once it got dark. It happens every night.

Thousands of people have been there now - including (quietly!) people from the military and aerospace - and everyone is astonished, and greatly personally affected. I have no definite idea what's going on, but it's absolutely real.


Now I want to add a new message from James.

It doesn't fit here ... but with Bill expanding the range of topics with a "what he believes in and doesn't" ... that rather opens up the table (not my choice).

Here is something I believe is very important to hear. I have been following the work of Gilliland for a long long time (as well as Wilcock):

KveZBoZ5M60


*** adding late comment ***

Bill I "stood by you" in making the right decision to call attention to your concerns regarding a California event.

I am doing another version of the same thing ... not from myself rather someone I have learned to trust deeply over many years.

[shamanseeker]

Hi Bill,
I just wanted to thank you for saving my sanity by stating that you find David Icke 100% reliable :-) I'd also like to say something about Inelia. I believed (and maybe still believe - not sure) that she is from source, or at least very close to it. She talks about unconditional love, the fact that we are one and that, in order to protect ourselves from evil, we need not to judge it. I was also very touched by your account of how you learnt to focus, like her, on subjects and so help heal certain situations. Inelia, herself, said that some souls from source have lost their way and got lost in the matrix. Is it possible that what has happened here is that she has been negatively influenced by the friend she is working with now - can't remember her name - as she mentioned that she started to 'realize' that the 'split' had taken place after talking to her? If, as you say, there is no fast ascension I am very pleased as I was feeling really depressed at the thought that maybe my family would be left behind, being sleepers. In your opinion are we moving, albeit gradually, into a higher dimension? Does the photon belt exist?
Would really appreciate it if you could address these questions, Bill.
My very best wishes,

[Calz]

Normally only post this to the Ranch thread but I feel compelled to get more eyeballs on this now.

Again off topic ... if you see and feel what is going on then does it matter what thread or forum it comes from???


"THEY'RE BACK"

Last night in 10 minutes we saw over 12 ships two of which powered up going South over the house. They seemed to go in every direction acknowledging each other with flashes. It was around 7:30 PM pst. The ECETI STARGATE is active again. Here is a video made earlier by a guest.

Z4WmL93FmOM

[music]

in this ridiculous period of the 60's where TV (writers who were obviously much older than the real hippies of that era) often patronizingly ridiculed the youth of that era.



H R Puffenstuff was laden with that, masquerading as funky and psychadelic kiddies fun, but seeded with messages of right wing conformity

I was born in 55 so I remember some of what was going on. Interesting times looking back retrospectively (of course at the time, it was what it was ... the environment we grew up in).

I even ... (*blush*) had a *medallion*! :sarcastic:

Harmless fun that I doubt indoctrinated anyone, they are much better at that sort of thing now days. Though, I dare say Freud would have had something to say about Witchy Poo always gagging to get her hands on that young boy's magic flute :O

[Arrowwind]

I just got around to reading this thread. Wilcox tells an intereseting story and one that I feel may not be too off center.
My own internal dreams tell me of plans like this for many years.....
since a child, really.

It is a potential reality
It is not fixed.
You, each of you,
Individually must dream it in.
and start seeing and living love
and hold clear intelligence with eyes wide open
to see and acknowledge what dark forces have been upon us.
so that they may be cast off

I have always maintained that we must not judge too harshly
The NWO can go one way or another.
Either way we WILL have a new world order
Its just a matter of who dreams it in with greatest power
Its a matter of who wins this war
and the only way people of good intent can win
is to shut the system down

Before all rebirth there must be death.
This is law of manefestation.
We require death of the economic system
that enslaves humanity.
We must be powerful dreamers of light
to enact a NWO that is not based on lies and repression and greed,
but of sustainability of the planet and ALL its children
through kindness and cooperation
always keeping the awakening of human potential in focus

yet when reading Wilcox's account as I reached the end my heart sank.
He had to go and start selling his book and programs.
This debases the whole communication in the eyes of many.
many that need to hear the story but who will not hear due to his adverstings
He could have kept it separate.
He should have kept it separate.

[music]

;)

This really does not resonate with me. The thing that particularly rang alarm bells was the phrase "asshole hippies from outerspace" - too much of a soundbite - I find no authenticity there.

Maybe,,,,as I welcome our newest member and I bow lowly. :thank_you2:

But if you factor the space brother contacts of the fifties, and the Billy Meier contacts,,,these millitary types would be calling them something.
And "asshole hippies from outer space" sounds like a genuine phrase that could have caught on as early as the sixties or seventies.

Thank you :) Well, I allow it's possible of course, I don't have a direct line to all truth after all. It just doesn't make it past my own personal bull**** detector.

[norman]

The NWO can go one way or another.
Either way we WILL have a new world order
Its just a matter of who dreams it in with greatest power
Its a matter of who wins this war






I don't usually go for such affirmationary "clap trap"(hehe), but I heartily agree and feel unity with this clear point you have made.

I'm still confused or puzzled by the choosing of an appropriate active behaviour to decide this crucial outcome.

I'm torn between matching like for like, and, manifesting a complete opposite.

[derek]

For the record, David has stated that he is in contact with both Henry Deacon and Pete Peterson (and about 15 other people, including people that helped him "peer review" his new book full of classified science that any insider, including disinformants, would not want out. As well a lawyer in Washington DC who offered to get a forward and endorsments of his book from "former presidents"), and stated that all but 1 (who didn't have a need to know) confirmed this. Implying that they both confirmed this.

Also, compared to most whistleblower testimony there is an enourmous amount of data to support what David says. His recent "Chinas October Surprise" articles are a great testament to that. The earthquakes etc, as well as more he probably hasn't written about yet. That amount of consistent support usually isn't availble with whistleblower testimony.

[onawah]

Something about the way my friend answered my query makes me think he knows something, but isn't disclosing.
I put the part about Howe in red letters and emailed to him. Here is his reply:
"I have no knowledge of the red letters in reference to Linda Mouton
Howe. I have never heard of such. Nothing to share here. "

One denial :noidea: would have sufficed. Three denials :noidea::noidea::noidea: sounds a bit suspicious, no? :suspicious: :eyebrows: :lol:




I know a guy locally who used to be a driver for Linda Moulton Howe. I've asked him if he can confirm this bit:
1983: Second attempt at public disclosure regarding UFOs and Extraterrestrial situation. Linda Moulton-Howe is allegedly contacted by MJ-12 and HBO. She is to have access to 68,000 feet of motion picture film of disks, landings, aliens, etc. She is also designated to meet one of the aliens, designated EBE-II. Howe is allegedly told of "serious nature" of the situation by MJ-12 revealing why Kennedy had to be "eliminated," (because he wanted to release information on the situation in 1963). Project is again cancelled.

I wouldn't mind knowing the answer to that myself Onawah - not to mention a few other points on that post - I wonder if Linda Moulton Howe herself would admit it even if it's true ??

[KiwiElf]

Something about the way my friend answered my query makes me think he knows something, but isn't disclosing.
I put the part about Howe in red letters and emailed to him. Here is his reply:
"I have no knowledge of the red letters in reference to Linda Mouton
Howe. I have never heard of such. Nothing to share here. "

One denial would have sufficed. :noidea: Three denials sounds a bit suspicious, no? :suspicious: :eyebrows: :lol:


LOL not surprising... I guess we are stepping into a dangerous subject area here. In his - or Linda's - position I would have denied it too :D
The dangerous aspect I think being the JFK "bit". ANYONE who has publicly stated and perhaps gotten "near" the truth unfortunately, usually ends up dead!

[Calz]

For the record, David has stated that he is in contact with both Henry Deacon and Pete Peterson (and about 15 other people, including people that helped him "peer review" his new book full of classified science that any insider, including disinformants, would not want out. As well a lawyer in Washington DC who offered to get a forward and endorsments of his book from "former presidents"), and stated that all but 1 (who didn't have a need to know) confirmed this. Implying that they both confirmed this.

Also, compared to most whistleblower testimony there is an enourmous amount of data to support what David says. His recent "Chinas October Surprise" articles are a great testament to that. The earthquakes etc, as well as more he probably hasn't written about yet. That amount of consistent support usually isn't availble with whistleblower testimony.

His book is rock solid.

Some of the "October Surprise" material is quite interesting. If not "proof" at least leans towards compelling "circumstantial evidence".

[Carmody]

External revelations and external actions reinforce the ego function. This is a path that will eventually go off kilter.

The best bet is to 'become' disclosure' and thus, disclosure is then an internal event that does not reinforce the ego..... and eventually go off the path of advancement.

It is subtle to some, as differentials go, but it is an important distinction. This cannot be forced. It must be like that of creating a well balanced person.

As an example.....In the world of Native North Americans, the child is carried until it desires to be put down and do all of it's own walking. No pressures to conform, separate or to 'be' are placed on the child in those formative years (regarding those aspects) and this is part of the fundamental difference in the psychology of the North American natives that one may meet, that certain thing you can't put your finger on, a certain thing that seems to make them considerably more relaxed and realistic. The case is that their wiring was not damaged in this aspect or way, as they grew. Thus they can pass it on to their children. Basically, a lack of Neurosis, in some critical ways.

To 'force' disclosure on a group, is to engage negative emotional context and designs on/in the behavior in the moment... and any following behavior...... as projected into the future.

Thus there will be no disclosure until you become and live ----as disclosure.

I hope that makes sense.

Proper cart, proper horse, proper function, proper result.

Think of it this way: think it through--what is the final desire regarding 'achievement?'

[Marin]

I'd like to share a few things Bob Dean mentioned at the Awake and Aware conference (September, 2011). I'm guessing some of you have already heard it (maybe even a few times :) ) but I thought his comments might be useful in the context of this discussion. Because Kerry has requested that we not post videos from the conference, I'll share a few written comments taken directly from Bob Dean's presentation.

_______________________________
"I look at the mass of people in this country and around the world - and ladies and gentleman - most of them haven't a clue. They haven't a clue as to what the hell is going on in this world and how they fit into it."

"I've been talking about the greatest story in human history. Guys, we're not alone. We've never been alone. The human race on planet earth has had, as I've discovered, an intimate interrelationship with advanced ET intelligence from the very beginning of our history. That intimate interrelationship is still underway."

"We are deeply involved with advanced intelligences from all kinds of other places. We're not just dealing with guys from other planets, stars systems and galaxies - we're dealing with intelligences that are popping through portholes from other dimensions. Who are these beings, why are they here and what are they interested in?" He goes on to say, "they have been called controllers, protectors, gardeners, emissaries, watchers, angels, messengers, guardians, monitors, recorders and the builders."...... "I call them the custodians."

"They don't own us. The human race on Earth is a trusteeship. There is a board of directors and a board of trustees. The decision making authority of the trust is not even in our galaxy. This is what is known as the Galactic Federation." He goes on to say "We have a government, a shadow government, members of a trust and friends in high places. They are moving in our mist. We are being watched."

"Hopefully the human race will be able to mature and take it's rightful place in the stars where we belong. They want us to make it through this transition. A transcendent transformation into literally a new species. We are going through this transition and it's painful as hell. Where we are today - they have been before. They understand the pain we are going through."
______________________________


In my opinion, Bob Dean and many others have given us some rather compelling evidence that outside influences exist here and always have. Although it's useful to gather evidence and weigh in on the experiences of others, at some point we need to decide for ourselves what "works." Some may remember who they are and why they've come here. Others may not. Some may have experiences and abilities that others don't know exist. Some may simply believe it's all nonsense. Whatever the case, we're here together.

As many have highlighted, I don't believe we're going to be "saved" from this mess and honestly I wouldn't want it that way. We came here for a reason. In my opinion, personal responsibility is part of it. A huge part of it. I get that. My best guess is that some of us have incarnated here in an attempt to level the playing field. However, the playing field, in my opinion, is stacked against us. On top of all that, it seems we're missing some key pieces. Like any good game, a set of rules needs to be in place and followed. In my opinion, the rules have been fudged. As a result, the "game" isn't fair. The scales aren't balanced. Maybe those that have incarnated here need a little extra help. :)

With this in mind, can we really be expected to play this game and succeed? When I look around and see the state of affairs we're in....it isn't pretty. Mother earth needs attention and most of the people, as Bob Dean would say, "haven't a clue." I like the idea that we should clean this mess up on our own but is that really reasonable given the current circumstances? I don't think so. We've been given help and and I believe that help will continue until the scales are balanced or until we've made a "transition" into an altogether different playing field.

Moreover, just because we receive outside help doesn't mean we can ignore our own responsibilities. It just means we'd benefit from a fair shot. Given everything we've discussed on this forum, why is outside help out of the question? Because it's in violation of the rules? In my opinion, the rules of the game were crossed some time ago....and not in our favor. I believe we've been helped many times and will continue to be helped. I'm not sure if I'm on board with the details of how these underground bases were cleared but I'm certainly open to the possibility. I believe what happens here affects the rest of the universe. We're all interconnected. Perhaps our "friends in high places" needed to step in. Maybe not just for our sake but for their benefit as well.

I can't say I subscribe to much of what I hear but if I were to put my money on a handful of people - David Wilcock would be on my list. I can appreciate that many are not comfortable with some of his material or how it's presented. It isn't for everyone. Perhaps that's by design. Intuitively speaking, I feel some of what Wilcock has to share is spot on. Others may not agree. That's cool. I also believe it takes courage to do what he does. I know he puts his reputation on the line with some of the statements he makes. My guess is that he even puts his own life on the line with the work he does. I don't think for a second it's glamorous. It looks like hard work and I'm glad someone is out there doing it. :)

[onawah]

I so agree with everything Marin said.
DW has a distinct disadvantage as well in that he works so much with dreams, psychic and channeled info (Law of One), in that as soon as they are confronted with this, a lot of people immediately put up roadblocks and will not even consider what might be useful.
It takes a special kind of courage to speak from that perspective, and another kind of courage to divulge the more concrete, whistleblower information.
What DW does well is to correlate the two, and I think we need more of that kind of integration, including here on PA.

[Carmen]

As I have stated on another post, it takes courage to come forward and reveal the kind of information that David Wilcock, Bob Dean, David Icke, among others, are revealing. They are the heroes in my opinion. It's very easy to be an armchair critic. These revealers have been rubbished and vilified for years but they keep on. They are the Spiritual Warriors in a world of sleeping armchair critics.

Thank you Martin L,for your post. Bob Dean speaks from the heart and his integrity is obvious to all.

[Calz]

Great post Marin :thumb:

Thanks for adding your voice.

Marin:


Given everything we've discussed on this forum, why is outside help out of the question? Because it's in violation of the rules? In my opinion, the rules of the game were crossed some time ago....and not in our favor. I believe we've been helped many times and will continue to be helped.

It could also be the "rules of engagement" are changing since, in all appearances, we are coming to the "end of a cycle".

I agree we have been getting help behind the scenes (probably from the very start).

As James suggests in his vid ... there would appear to be quite a number of "beings" coming together here at this time. How out in the open that will be is still up for speculation but if we continue to have enough "flotillas" around the world people will start to "get it" regardless of what msm does with it.

DW has long referenced the Law of One and that is one of the channeled sources I don't mind saying I support ...

Harvest time folks (and that is a good thing).

IMHO (always)

Cal

[aranuk]

I agree with Marin. We couldn't possibly have any chance to win without "outside" help. As it has been said the playing field and the rules have been changed in favour of the elite bastards. Thanks to the "outsiders" from us insiders.

Stan

[jcocks]

Yep. It's not "free will" when they use our free will against us.

[Corncrake]

Just wanted to say what a great thread this is with some excellent points. However, a big personal 'thank you' has to go to Marin L who has managed to summarise my own thoughts on the subject far better than I ever could have.

[onawah]

I think it's relevant to this discussion, so I've copied the following from the thread at:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32893-Current-Global-Chaos-Indicates-Massive-Positive-Changes&p=335833#post335833

"'Interpretations are what have screwed the world up for thousands of years.' However, I’ll refine it and say that widely varied interpretations are due to the EXTREMELY different levels of individual development and consciousness between people across the planet. No better than, just different levels of awareness and consciousness is all. Are the kids in sixth grade better than kids in fifth, fourth, third, second grade or pre-school? Of course not.

So much worldwide pain, confusion, suffering, warring, religion-generated murder and warring, suppression, manipulation of others, power over others and so on has been maintained due to the different levels of awareness between humans on Earth. The Dark Ones have seen to it that these differences between people around the world are maintained and directed because it’s benefited them and their agendas in every way for eons. (By Dark Ones I mean the non-physical, non-human Reptilian Beings, Draconian Beings, and certain other non-physical, non-human Beings I’m not certain what to even call them despite having seen many of them and occasionally had confrontation conversations with them over the years. These Beings plus the living physical human elite patriarchy that the Dark Ones control and use to control the rest of humanity on Earth. This negative dark (4D) astral and (3D) Earth system is rapidly being dismantled throughout 2011 by the Light so it too is finally ending.)

The Earth world that we incarnated into in these current lives (have to make this distinction due to the current Ascension Process) was a wide-open system which meant that any ole riffraff was allowed to incarnate into 3D Earth physicality. It’s been a wide-open planetary system where souls who were close to spiritual Mastery or Ascending/Evolving into an entirely different system and dimension could incarnate here. Alternatively, very young souls who were just starting to learn about physicality, density, duality, polarized consciousness, ego and egoic consciousness, male/female, and everything else that goes with having a life/lives within a physical world in a physical body also incarnated here.

Said another way, Earth has been a totally open system within a Freewill Zone where any “newbie”, … spiritual Master, average joe, Initiate, madman, well developed soul and everything in-between could incarnate on Earth—and once here—we’ve all had to live our lives side-by-side despite the incredibly varied range of development, consciousness, awareness, and current life focus between souls/people. The sixth graders and the pre-school kids and everyone in-between have all been crammed into an open 3D Earth school and that has made it extra difficult on everyone.
RETURN TO THE ORIGINAL EARTH BLUEPRINT

The original Earth blueprint was that it would exist with Freewill, but that it was a very advanced world of Unity and Beauty that, over time, would become dense enough to become a physical planet and world. Over time it would involute deeper into density and polarity to the point that the first beings living on it would eventually fragment even further out of their natural higher state of unity (androgyny) and experience being in both female and male bodies and consciousness within dense physicality. We were individually androgynous, unified Beings prior to this further decent into density and eventual physicality, and this has NOTHING to do with having done anything “wrong”. It was simply the spiritual desire to experience further seeming separation from Source and Greater Self within less dense dimensions, one of which was 3D physicality on Earth.

Due to the current Ascension Process with its Body and Brain (right/left brain) Rewiring and so much more, many of us are currently Ascending/Evolving back into a greater level of integration and unity and will externally reflect this return to an increasingly more androgynous state of individual unity and integration. Some of us will prefer to continue using one sexed body over the other, but this will be an individual choice as we evolve within the Fifth Dimension and beyond. All of this has nothing to do with sex, sexual preference, or sexuality but everything to do with evolution and integration into increasing 5D unity within ourselves, our brains, hearts, bodies and consciousness.

Original Earth supported tremendously advanced stellar humans on it for a very long time. From what I’ve remembered from my past life in Egypt around 12,600 B.C. [see A Lightworker's Mission] plus other knowledge beyond that, something happened physically that suddenly threw Earth and humanity into profound chaos and darkness. Barbara Hand Clow’s book CATASTROPHOBIA: The Truth Behind Earth Changes In The Coming Age Of Light is an excellent source about this difficult planetary event that happened around 9,500 B.C. and how it changed humanity from that point forward.

What I sense also happened due to this catastrophic global event that further stunted humanity and natural human evolution was that some non-physical, non-human, negative Alien Beings (Reptilian, Draconian and some others) took advantage of an already traumatized and weakened humanity and invaded 3D Earth and 4D Astral to basically set up shop. They deliberately unplugged the majority of humanity’s DNA, horrifically perverted the human Physical, Emotional, and Mental Bodies energetically to keep humanity functioning within a VERY low frequency and consciousness range so they could parasitically use humanity as their personal fueling station and energy food generators. According to some current higher awareness Teachers, this multidimensional negative Alien invasion began approximately 5,100 years ago.

Source knows Earth exists within a Freewill Zone and has allowed all of this to play out for all. However—and here come’s the interesting part—once Source decided enough was enough with the horrific perversions and parasitic actions the Dark Ones had/have done to humanity, Earth and why, a massive call went out across the Cosmos for Volunteers to help correct this situation. Many of us heard this call from Source and said, “We’ll go!” And so, many Starseeds from the Milky Way galaxy and others intentionally incarnated/reincarnated into 3D Earth physicality now to help correct this situation from within it, disguised as local 3D Earth natives.

I’ve consciously remembered this call since the early 1980′s and my volunteering to reincarnate now (as Denise) to help energetically transmute and override what the Dark Ones have done to humanity, while simultaneously embodying Light and Source’s Original Divine Blueprint as the way to correct this situation. By doing so humanity can get back on-track within the natural God-given right to evolve and NOT be suppressed and prevented from evolving.

This call went out and the many Starseeds/Wanderers/Lightworkers volunteered to incarnate within 3D physicality to literally energetically override what the Dark Ones or negative Aliens have done to humanity and reality on Earth. All these multidimensional events are due to the approaching completion of the 16-billion-yearlong Evolution ary Cycle—aka the end of the Mayan calendar on October 28, 2011—and the Separation of Worlds that’s happening because of it.
BACK TO THE QUESTION

irrepressible asked,“What does Denise mean by ‘make huge changes now too or exit’?”

I meant that this is an energetic fact and cyclical necessity for all concerned now and has absolutely nothing to do with religion/religions or better than type thinking or beliefs. Because the call went out and many millions volunteered to incarnate/reincarnate on Earth now to override the Alien Dark Ones and their agendas and actions to humanity, their bodies, minds and consciousness, Earth and the Astral, that was the big clue that major positive change had/has finally arrived on Earth. Many of us have labelled all this the Ascension Process and/or Dimensional Shift etc.

The bottom-line is that no matter how incomprehensibly long these Source-created Evolutionary Cycles run, Source always includes an Expiration Date/Graduation Date/Separation Date within them. And, if needed, outside help is called upon to come into a derailed and suppressed planetary system and species like humanity and Earth has been since the negative Alien takeover, to help get it back on-track and functioning again as the Original Divine Blueprint. That’s what’s happening in your/my/our lifetimes and why.

1987–2012 is the Grand Finale to a very long Evolutionary Cycle and is a separation point for some people, and a graduation point for others. Again, no better than business with this but a simple, honest choice for each human whether they are ready and desirous of ascending/evolving at the end of this great Evolutionary Cycle or not. Due to this completion and choice to ascend/evolve/graduate to the next level of learning or choosing to continue learning within duality and physicality will require more than one Earth world and timeline. Levels of spiritual focus, frequency, consciousness, and learning are extremely varied and literally cannot co-exist within the same space, the same Earth world, the same reality and timeline. No better tha n just two (or more) schools of learning for different groups of souls functioning at different frequency rates within different timelines and locations.

For a long time Earth has been a wide-open system within a Freewill Zone which meant that any and all were allowed to incarnate into 3D Earth physicality and everyone had to endure the vastly different range of soul and consciousness development all crammed into School Earth together. Since the (approximate) 9,500 B.C. event, and the 5,100 B.C. multidimensional negative Alien invasion of humanity and Earth, School Earth has been a dark perverted monstrosity of Source’s Original Divine Blueprint. That negative Alien takeover and human derailment and suppression was only going to be allowed for a certain amount of time however.

Due to the current Ascension Process; the Expiration Date of the ending 16-billion-yearlong Evolutionary Cycle; the incarnate Starseeds and non-incarnate Beings working from multiple dimensions and timelines to override the Dark Ones interference and suppression of humanity; and because the Graduation/Separation/Expiration Day is approaching with the December 2012 winter Solstice Cosmic Conjunction or Alignment, School Earth will no longer be a single world that’s open to any and all to incarnate into.

What’s naturally evolving out of it is what I’ve called the Separation of Worlds, some others have called it “entering the new timeline” or other terms. We’re all saying the same thing which is, due to the Ascension Process and completion of the Evolutionary Cycle, those humans who are now ready and desirous to evolve out of dense duality are experiencing increasing Light frequencies with matching consciousness (the Ascension/Evolutionary Process and its many symptoms) to the extent that they’re consciously perceiving and feeling a Separation of Worlds and timelines away from the old lower 3D patriarchal Earth world we all incarnated into. The humans who are not currently ready or desirous of utilizing the available Ascension/Evolutionary Light Energies to evolve /ascend now will have an appropriate Earth world or place and timeline to continue learning within dense duality in a physical world and reality. There will be at least two primary Earth or Earth-like worlds and timelines for all of humanity, instead of only one where all levels of developing souls and consciousness were crammed in together.

My statement about humanity needing to make huge changes now too or exit means exactly that. Higher and lower frequencies cannot co-exist within the same space so there is and will continue to be a frequency Separation of Worlds and timelines providing both groups of humanity with a matching frequency world and reality to continue learning within. It’s that complex and yet that simple and it is our lives now. All that’s required to ascend/evolve/graduate to the next level now is an honest desire to be and live in a higher state of being. Are you gonna go my way now, or later? Either choice and timeline is perfect but the Expiration Date is coming no matter what."

Denise

October 17, 2011

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(Note from OP: I don't really agree with the separation of worlds idea, though I do think there are other 3D worlds similar to Earth where souls who still choose to experience 3D learning will incarnate when they've left this world.
I also think there will be room on this planet for some positive 3D experiencing for awhile longer, but the negative 3D will be phasing out fairly quickly.
This just won't be a comfortable place much longer for those negative energies.
Not to say we who remain won't have plenty of work to do!
We must be part of the instrumentation of the higher frequencies grounding here. )

[Calz]

I will share something from a very wise friend. Very elegant, short, accessible yet has the power to clear up a whole lot of confusion regarding:

"Ascension" and the "Split"


The frequency is increasing on the planet. (That's all the ascension really is in a nutshell.)

Increased frequency carries more consciousness with it.

There are humans who are not capable of holding that increase.

If you understand that then you understand "the split."


Gaia needs to cleanse ... Mama needs a bath. Would have been much better all around if we had been better "stewards" and kept things in balance and harmony.

End of "the cycle." Harvest.

Wheat will be seperated from the chaff.

Inelia suggests a "contract" of sorts regarding the process. Could be ... I don't know. I have heard of similar variants to that from people I trust.

I don't expect a "rapture" :rapture: type of event.

When I read the Law of One series my take was that we all had to dump the body regardless. Wilcock (last I remember) believes that won't be necessary. Again ... I simply don't know.

Not sure if anyone does ... at least in human form.

Anyway, if the words from my friend (in the quote box) helps anyone else to simplify things into more managable bites then great.

If it all seems like "new age" mumbo jumbo ... that's great too. It's all good. Free will.

Everything else here is simply my own opinion based on my own belief system.

Standard disclosure applies.

IMHO

Cal

[jorr lundstrom]

yes, of course

[OnyxKnight]

Dear all ,
I have been a fan of Wilcock maybe 2 years and recently have also become intersested in the work of
Dr. Georgi Stankov. In his latest post,

"Ultimate Scientific Proof For the Accuracy of the Ascension-Date at the Stargate 11.11.11"[/URL]
he says



So you think ascension will come next month?

Has this person explained the mechanics of this happening overnight?

This person has as much credibility and logic as the people he listed. That doctor title does not impress me one bit. I know a few "doctors" who turned out to be psychopaths.

[transiten]

Best not to be a "fan" of anyone, look inside, get to know yourself cuz what's the use of being a fan of well "known" pple if you don't even know yourself?

Not to say i can't identify with you kevlar, have been following Wilcock since 2007, reading his Source Field Investigations at the moment....but he is only human like the rest of us...or at least most of us;)

[KosmicKat]

... my take was that we all had to dump the body regardless.

The body isn't overjoyed about the idea. But the body was never more than a temporary arrangement. "Everything that [David Bowman] really was is still a part of me".

[kevlar]

Best not to be a "fan" of anyone, look inside, get to know yourself cuz what's the use of being a fan of well "known" pple if you don't even know yourself?

Not to say i can't identify with you kevlar, have been following Wilcock since 2007, reading his Source Field Investigations at the moment....but he is only human like the rest of us...or at least most of us;)

I admit i am not a great word-smith, and agree with you that, "have been following" is a better way of putting it than "fan". I think the word is semantics. Im sure your not suggesting because i used the word fan, it means that i havnt looked inside got to know myself and that i dont even know myself.

love kevlar

[transiten]

Best not to be a "fan" of anyone, look inside, get to know yourself cuz what's the use of being a fan of well "known" pple if you don't even know yourself?

Not to say i can't identify with you kevlar, have been following Wilcock since 2007, reading his Source Field Investigations at the moment....but he is only human like the rest of us...or at least most of us;)

I admit i am not a great word-smith, and agree with you that, "have been following" is a better way of putting it than "fan". I think the word is semantics. Im sure your not suggesting because i used the word fan, it means that i havnt looked inside got to know myself and that i dont even know myself.

love kevlar

:lol:kevlar! i don't know you for sure, but i've been looking inside a lot and still fall into the "guru trap" now and then but i'm aware of it and manage to get loose:dance:

[kevlar]

Dear all ,
I have been a fan of Wilcock maybe 2 years and recently have also become intersested in the work of
Dr. Georgi Stankov. In his latest post,

"Ultimate Scientific Proof For the Accuracy of the Ascension-Date at the Stargate 11.11.11"[/URL]
he says



So you think ascension will come next month?

Has this person explained the mechanics of this happening overnight?

This person has as much credibility and logic as the people he listed. That doctor title does not impress me one bit. I know a few "doctors" who turned out to be psychopaths.

Personally i dont know what will happen next month.

I have read his book The Cosmic Laws of Creation and Destruction: (http://www.stankovuniversallaw.com/popular-books-and-publicaitons-on-new-gnosis-and-ascension-2012/the-cosmic-laws-of-creation-and-destruction-why-and-how-the-world-economic-order-will-collapse-in-2011) which i found to contain a lot of interesting information. The physical symptoms he talks about in relation to the LBP are very similar to symptoms i was experiencing prior to what might be called my awakening. Thanks.

love kevlar

[jorr lundstrom]

Dear all ,
I have been a fan of Wilcock maybe 2 years and recently have also become intersested in the work of
Dr. Georgi Stankov. In his latest post,

"Ultimate Scientific Proof For the Accuracy of the Ascension-Date at the Stargate 11.11.11"[/URL]
he says



So you think ascension will come next month?

Has this person explained the mechanics of this happening overnight?

This person has as much credibility and logic as the people he listed. That doctor title does not impress me one bit. I know a few "doctors" who turned out to be psychopaths.

Spot on Onyx, sometimes I wonder if doctor is a title or a diagnose.

Ascension, Im not going anywhere, this is still a very good place to live.

[Carmody]

... my take was that we all had to dump the body regardless.

The body isn't overjoyed about the idea. But the body was never more than a temporary arrangement. "Everything that [David Bowman] really was is still a part of me".

Yes, the poor thing does get scared and then deeply interferes in the reasoning process.

[modwiz]

... my take was that we all had to dump the body regardless.

The body isn't overjoyed about the idea. But the body was never more than a temporary arrangement. "Everything that [David Bowman] really was is still a part of me".

Agreed. The body does like its domain and knows it is not destined to cross the veil. It really appreciates it when we do not think overmuch about non physical life. There is a lot a sadness/grief there that is part and parcel of the spirit/body arrangement.

The adrenaline releases generated by the fear engage the sympathetic nervous system, and as Carmody points out the reasoning is seriously impeded.

[Buck]

So the guy is selling books? That's all I'm saying.



Hello Steve, I can speak to this but not from a place of mastery, only humility, as I am struggling with the energy exchange aspect of life at the moment. So please take the following comments as something to mull over, not some sanctimonious proclamation.

I happened to notice our relationship to the concept of "money". We can all talk so comfortably about exchanging services, etc but somehow "earning money" is automatically a dark event.
It seems to me, that as life has taught me (in the never ending lesson of "as above, so below")- all of life is an ebb and flow of energy, a constant exchange.
Like the ocean tides.
And once I bring my attention to the sound of the waves on the shore, it is sometimes easier for me to connect with the eternal, never ending movement of all things-
Like breathing.
And from that place, I can sometimes consider that all of life is an exchange of energy,
sometimes transferring from one realm to another- like thought to matter, as when we write a letter.
And sometimes as in matter to thought, as in when someone reads the letter.

And if I am fortunate, I remember that as in all things, an exchange is appropriate, and even more so, it is actually necessary.

And so, if someone would prefer a gazillion dollars, or even a fire engine red Ferrari, in fair exchange for their service, perhaps that is between them and the universe. And our reaction is exactly that- a reaction. And it is ours to work with, to learn from.
And maybe, if we are really fortunate, to move through,
and awaken.

[jcocks]

I have a gut feeling that our darkest hour may soon be upon us, but after that it's onwards and upwards - and we'll all be surprised just how fast events start moving. Next years' going to be a doozey, regardless!

Anybody who thinks I'm promoting fear porn aught to have a look within before posting to that effect.

[transiten]

Hmmmmm, regarding money...............i'm happy not having to drag houses, tons of crops and other facilities i need for a living around. Thankful for money serving man as "intermediary". Money is not the problem, interest , greed and lack of love and wisdom is. Back to the Greenbacks anyone?:thumb:

[onawah]

I found a VERY short update from David Wilcock's site at:
http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/985-new-life-expo

"NEXT ARTICLE ALMOST FINISHED

The next article -- Part Three of our series on the destruction of the underground bases -- is coming along very well.

I could have already had it done, but many of you have asked for additional proof... so I have gone out of my way to dig up little-known witness testimonies, on free videos and in writing, to back up the next part of what I will be revealing.

I'm not going to say when it will be ready, because my best intentions can often be thwarted by unpredictable events --" etc.

Proof would be nice!
I'm looking forward to seeing what he has for us.

[Calz]

Proof would be nice!

Indeed it would :)

[onawah]

There's a new article out from David Wilcock at:
http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-he...ord-owo-defeat

[Calz]

There's a new article out from David Wilcock at:
http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-he...ord-owo-defeat

Needs a new thread ... go for it ... I am heading for beddy bye :sleep:

*** adding ***

after a super quicky scan before bed nothing grabbed my attention regarding the promised "proof" in this update.

That is disappointing ... but I could easily have missed something in my haste.

Up to you avalonian nuggets to disect this one ... *yawn* ...

[jackovesk]

I will share something from a very wise friend. Very elegant, short, accessible yet has the power to clear up a whole lot of confusion regarding:

"Ascension" and the "Split"


The frequency is increasing on the planet. (That's all the ascension really is in a nutshell.)

Increased frequency carries more consciousness with it.

There are humans who are not capable of holding that increase.

If you understand that then you understand "the split."


Gaia needs to cleanse ... Mama needs a bath. Would have been much better all around if we had been better "stewards" and kept things in balance and harmony.

End of "the cycle." Harvest.

Wheat will be seperated from the chaff.

Inelia suggests a "contract" of sorts regarding the process. Could be ... I don't know. I have heard of similar variants to that from people I trust.

I don't expect a "rapture" :rapture: type of event.

When I read the Law of One series my take was that we all had to dump the body regardless. Wilcock (last I remember) believes that won't be necessary. Again ... I simply don't know.

Not sure if anyone does ... at least in human form.

Anyway, if the words from my friend (in the quote box) helps anyone else to simplify things into more managable bites then great.

If it all seems like "new age" mumbo jumbo ... that's great too. It's all good. Free will.

Everything else here is simply my own opinion based on my own belief system.

Standard disclosure applies.

IMHO

Cal

Problem Solved Calz, you didn't even have to rely on Wilcock for your own 'Truth & Knowing'...

Lesson Learned..!

Rgs,

Jack

[Calz]

I surrendered since no one was coming up to the plate ... have at it folks ...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33790-DW-next-incarnation-...-have-at-it

[Feritciva]

Dear all ,
I have been a fan of Wilcock maybe 2 years and recently have also become intersested in the work of
Dr. Georgi Stankov. In his latest post,
The Ultimate Scientific Proof For the Accuracy of the Ascension-Date at the Stargate 11.11.11 (http://www.stankovuniversallaw.com/breaking-astral-news/theultimatescientificprooffortheaccuracyoftheascension-dateatthestargate111111)
he says

"Therefore, forget all indignant Steve Beckows - they are well placed in the company of avaricious Reptilians. Forget also Wilcock and Co, who have never bothered to reflect on the nature of space-time and produce a decent scientific concept in their whole life. If you follow such false prophets, it is your fault. You will be also dumbed down. This is the sad reality on this planet, and the only way out of it, is to realize this deplorable truth. Any kind of false indignation on the part of the ego is completely wrong at this place. Change your ego first and then start thinking in correct scientific terms. "

Any thoughts?

Love kevlar

Wow! Sorry to come 3 weeks behind but this link shows one of the most dangerous things on this planet; ego disguised under spirituality. I don't know who this "Dr" Stankov is, but he has a biiig inflated ego for sure.

I seriously dont like such people. I seriosuly - really - don't like people who turns everything to "I'm right, others are way off" contest.

Ok, sorry to interrupt - back to subject.

[onawah]

The conversation about David Wilcock's and Ben Fulford's latest info on the DUMBS and behind the scenes financial situation has been moved to a new thread at
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33790-DW-next-incarnation-...-have-at-it&p=345289#post345289

[VaughnB]

My questions are:

If there were tremendous explosion, wouldn't there be some seismic activity registered, or degassing?
What about all the missing people? Wouldn't there be a cry from relatives and friends about the whereabouts of hundreds if not thousands of individuals?
What about subsidence making a caverness sinkhole?
No one heard anything? Felt anything nearby?

[DNA]

My questions are:
If there were tremendous explosion, wouldn't there be some seismic activity registered, or degassing?
What about all the missing people? Wouldn't there be a cry from relatives and friends about the whereabouts of hundreds if not thousands of individuals?
What about subsidence making a caverness sinkhole?
No one heard anything? Felt anything nearby?


I know this is a long thread, but everything you have just asked and quite a bit more is in this thread. It's a doozy, but it's worth reading.



Problem SolvedCalz, you didn't even have to rely on Wilcock for your own 'Truth & Knowing'...

Lesson Learned..!

Rgs,

Jack

I don't think Calz was "Relying" on anyone. There is nothing wrong with taking information from those who freely give it. Especially when so much of it can be researched on our own.

I like David Wilcock. As a lot of folks do.



So you think ascension will come next month?

Has this person explained the mechanics of this happening overnight?

This person has as much credibility and logic as the people he listed. That doctor title does not impress me one bit. I know a few "doctors" who turned out to be psychopaths.

I understand if you disagree with someone brosky, but you always sound so pissed off when you do it. I can honestly say, when I read your writing, half the time I'm seeing you saying the stuff spitting all over your monitor as your shouting it for emphasis. :)

Being right is actually more of a burdoen than it's worth.
Maybe you should try taking a break from being right and see how it makes you feel.

[jcocks]

So you think ascension will come next month?

Has this person explained the mechanics of this happening overnight?

This person has as much credibility and logic as the people he listed. That doctor title does not impress me one bit. I know a few "doctors" who turned out to be psychopaths.

I understand if you disagree with someone brosky, but you always sound so pissed off when you do it. I can honestly say, when I read your writing, half the time I'm seeing you saying the stuff spitting all over your monitor as your shouting it for emphasis. :)

Being right is actually more of a burdoen than it's worth.
Maybe you should try taking a break from being right and see how it makes you feel.

The thing that a lot of people aren't getting is that, even if ascention were to "happen next month", we have actively been undergoing the process for quite some time now - possibly even decades (think of the rate of change over the last 20 years or so..)... So it will not have happened overnight even if it did seem to happen suddenly one day next month.

The way I'm starting to see things is that we will have a massive influx of energies starting next week. Absolutely massive - possibly much bigger than we have ever had in our history.
How we use that energy is up to us. The trick will be for us to channel those energies into love and positivity. We could achieve something wonderful and unexpected. Anything could (and probably will) happen.

And if the asteroid does come to pass, with the energies that will be available to us, it will be a transformative event.

In any case, the next week is going to be quite special and we should cherish it. :)

[Buck]

This is worth framing, seriously! :)

"So you think ascension will come next month? Has this person explained the mechanics of this happening overnight?"

Imagine that there actually is some sort of an ascension event- and or a tremendous expansion of the collective human consciousness. How exactly do you think this event will look from your ego level perspective? What type of "mechanical" explanation would satisfy you of the collective reality you are experiencing.

[kevlar]

Dear all ,
I have been a fan of Wilcock maybe 2 years and recently have also become intersested in the work of
Dr. Georgi Stankov. In his latest post,

"Ultimate Scientific Proof For the Accuracy of the Ascension-Date at the Stargate 11.11.11"[/URL]
he says



So you think ascension will come next month?

Has this person explained the mechanics of this happening overnight?

This person has as much credibility and logic as the people he listed. That doctor title does not impress me one bit. I know a few "doctors" who turned out to be psychopaths.

Personally i dont know what will happen next month.

I have read his book The Cosmic Laws of Creation and Destruction: (http://www.stankovuniversallaw.com/popular-books-and-publicaitons-on-new-gnosis-and-ascension-2012/the-cosmic-laws-of-creation-and-destruction-why-and-how-the-world-economic-order-will-collapse-in-2011) which i found to contain a lot of interesting information. The physical symptoms he talks about in relation to the LBP are very similar to symptoms i was experiencing prior to what might be called my awakening. Thanks.

love kevlar

More detail on my thoughts can be found here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29759-The-latest-from-Dr.Georgi-Stankov-and-11.11.11&p=337338&viewfull=1#post337338)

Love kevlar

[alxz]

Have this already been posted? sorry if it has. thought it would be appropriate posting it here.. maybee an update from DW is around the corner?:) its so exciting!


Earthquake Under Oklahoma Today ~ Bunker?
2011 November 5
Posted by Love Reporter Steve Beckow
Kauila sends this news of an earthquake under Oklahoma and speculates that it may be the takeout of another deep underground bunker but we have no corroborative evidence yet. Ellie sent a personal note which I’ll post next. Ellie has sent some of the graphics.

It’s important to remember that, if this is an operation by the galactics and Earth allies, it will have been planned to occur without deaths. So there is no need to fear to the personnel inside the bunkers.

Magnitude 4.7 – OKLAHOMA
Saturday, November 5, 2011 at 07:12:45 UTC
Saturday, November 5, 2011 at 02:12:45 Local

http://soundofheart.org/galacticfreepress/content/earthquake-under-oklahoma-today-bunker

[childs hood end]

Beware of anyone with info`` that has a fee in the small print,
This world is in a mess due to people withholding info,
whats worse is all these so called light workers that fight to find this withheld info
and then in one form or another try to get rich from selling dis-info on to others,,,,, makes me sick...

As they get profit and popular the ego seems to overtake there mishion and it seems to be more inportand
to be the one who predicted an event` than the event itself.

If someone truly new of an event` positive or negative` that would effect others`
They would scream it from the rooftops,, not brake it down to sell it in parts.

David willcock for example - dont you tink if he truly believed that we were going to accend to a goldin age
that he wouldent need to be popular or rich or a new york best seller,, its all self service ego..
He hasent realy givin anything new to any subject,, even i could read 500 books and put together all
the good bitts into one book and call it my own,, ( and just because its writin`` dont make it true)
The man writes his own website comments for god sake`` with his nemo t shirt and airbrushed blue eyes,,,,,,,, come on..
As for being the Reincarnation of Edgar Cayce,, wake up,, thats just wishfull thinking,, ( i used to think i was superman``` then i turned 6).

Take it as you will` but anyone making money in any way or form from info that can effect us ALL`` is decieving YOU`` for self service.

Doesent matter if its...
rich c hoagland - books, subscribers (advert money), conferences,
kerry casidy - charging for everything,,
bill ryan - confirming others work,,
the list goes on an on an on,,,
Look my piont is` even if you realy like the person`` ders allways money in there somewere...

we need to go back to sleep reawake and get out of the other side of the bed..

THIS HAS BECOME ANOTHER MONEY MAKING INDUSTRY,, and thats the truth,, and its free

Peace to the multiversis

J.D.

[DNA]

,, even i could read 500 books and put together all
the good bitts into one book and call it my own,, J.D.

I'ts easy to talk the talk.




then in one form or another try to get rich from selling dis-info on to others,,,,, makes me sick...


And what makes you the authority on disnfo?
If the authors you have mentioned make you sick, why are you posting on this thread?
Why are you posting on Avalon?
Wouldn't you be happier posting on a "popular mechanics" message board? Isn't there a debunking UFO website you could post on?
I personally wouldn't mind hearing your point of view, but I can't make it past the vemon that is oozing out of your words.

[STATIC]

Ehh what DNA said.
Yes this world can be disheartening. The people you mentioned may have there flaws as we all do, but that's no reason to downplay there work.
I think how you are suggesting that they do there work would require them to be independently wealthy, which would be nice but usually not the case.
We may move on to an existence where money as we know it will become exstinct (at least that's what I'm hoping).
We still need people to have a dream, one that births that reality into existence.
So maybe a little less judgment.
Disagree.. no problem.

[PathWalker]

There is another report on major eliminated underground base, read more in this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34526-East-China-Sea-6.9-quake-undersea-reptilian-base-destroyed

[DNA]

Have this already been posted? sorry if it has. thought it would be appropriate posting it here.. maybee an update from DW is around the corner?:) its so exciting!


Earthquake Under Oklahoma Today ~ Bunker?
2011 November 5
Posted by Love Reporter Steve Beckow
Kauila sends this news of an earthquake under Oklahoma and speculates that it may be the takeout of another deep underground bunker but we have no corroborative evidence yet. Ellie sent a personal note which I’ll post next. Ellie has sent some of the graphics.

It’s important to remember that, if this is an operation by the galactics and Earth allies, it will have been planned to occur without deaths. So there is no need to fear to the personnel inside the bunkers.

Magnitude 4.7 – OKLAHOMA
Saturday, November 5, 2011 at 07:12:45 UTC
Saturday, November 5, 2011 at 02:12:45 Local

http://soundofheart.org/galacticfreepress/content/earthquake-under-oklahoma-today-bunker


I'm really suprised we haven't heard more about this.
I mean, during this series of events, isn't it a spectacular coincidence that the most powerfull earthquake ever reported in the state of Oklahoma takes place?

[KosmicKat]

THIS HAS BECOME ANOTHER MONEY MAKING INDUSTRY,, and thats the truth,, and its free


It's true that some "researchers" make their living from selling tickets to conferences and books. But right now, our social setup depends very heavily on money. If you don't have enough, you will struggle to live day-to-day. If you have more than you need, you may be afraid of losing it. IMO, we are in the process of growing up as a species, and at some point we will understand the importance of sharing freely; we are technically capable of providing abundance for everyone but locked into this financial tangle. Gradually, and in tiny increments, the "freeconomy" is undermining the power of money and someday we will reach that point at which nobody will have to suffer lack, and hoarding will be seen as a mental aberration.

[Snowbird]

There is another report on major eliminated underground base, read more in this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34526-East-China-Sea-6.9-quake-undersea-reptilian-base-destroyed

Yes, Pathwalker, this Tolec information just really ticks some people off because they can't get a hold of it as a genuine source. And yet, this info is a giant piece of the puzzle that we are all/each piecing together.

I posted on another thread about the recent Oklahoma quake, a channeling concerning that quake and its direct association with the potent and massive underground ancient crystals in the state of Arkansas, that according to some, have recently begun to activate and have caused the earth to shake. The state of Oklahoma and Arkansas sit right next to each other. They share a border.

What are we to make of this information? We can't prove it. There is no CIA insider who can verify that this is correct or garbage info. But we can take this information as well as ALL of the various source information and catalog it for future. We can read and listen to everything that we come across and learn from it. I am grateful for these varied types of sources, even though some appear to be rather outlandish....just like 12-foot tall off-planet beings who are invisible to our naked eyes. :cool2: