Free Energy?! No way in hell!

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Hi All

Don't kill me yet! Please...

This thread is intended for dropping off our baggage of fear free energy brings to the table. Feel free to describe as hellish scenarios as you could ever dream up in your worst nightmares...

Best wishes
Robert

P.S. This thread was inspired by Wade Frazier's post here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=330978&viewfull=1#post330978

P.P.S
Maybe we could post some thoughts explaining source and mechanics of free energy fear here?

[edit Oct. 14th, 2011 20:40 GMT]
Dear Avalonians,
The title of this thread has been chosen purposefully. It is a hint ;)
If you feel bad about this thread you should check this thread out :)
A Future Earth (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32399-A-Future-Earth&p=330389&viewfull=1#post330389)

This "negative" thread can't provide more energy for darkness to hinder propagation of free energy. Don't worry :) Raising our awareness of darkness don't makes more darkness if we just observe it without judgment (ie. blowing a fuse or cheering it)...

[edit Oct. 19th, 2011 12:40 GMT]
This thread is intended for discussing arguments against use of FE. Propositions
on how to deal with fear of FE fit here as well. But i have doubts about elaborating
on science behind FE in THIS thread. It is a little diluting and exhausting...

I think that somebody who is afraid of ghosts cares not about how a ghost "works" or how it can manifest itself in physical plane. She/he is afraid of WHAT a ghost can do to her/him. And does not argue if it is real. IT IS period. Same for FE.

I hope you agree with me... But if i am wrong (or proping another strawman) i will back off on the above statement. I really think we discuss some grave problem here...

If you want to discuss free energy physics, consider posting here:
Free Energy Physics (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14129-Free-Energy-Physics) (for members only, sorry :( )

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi Robert,

I believe, the fear of free energy is mostly the fear of change and fear of loosing status (power and control over!). That is at least for some of the "upper" levels.

The "lower" levels (those with little power and control over), fear that free energy may be used as tool to further enslave them. They fear that free energy will be weaponized. Also, at this level, some of them fear their way of living life becoming obsolete. For example lawyers and stock brokers.

So free energy is perceived by almost anyone, as a threat to the status quo!

If free energy is somehow leaked to the public as a "FE Weapon" we will have a very short war on our hands. We will have powerful weapons, with virtually unlimited amo, but only a limited number of lives. So once we're done killing each other, the survivor will notice that he (yes, he :)) cannot eat the weapon, so he will die of starvation. Mother Earth will sigh with relief that the "FE wars" are over and will restart all over again!

[Billy]

I cannot think of any fear/nightmare Scenarios if the right people bring free energy forward,

Free energy is already in the wrong hands and used for the wrong purposes by the greedy elites, It is being used for weapons, and not for the betterment of humanity, It is used for space travel but not for the betterment of humanity.

The fear is on the side of TPTW, they fear losing control and power. They would rather destroy the planet and humanity with oil and nuclear energy than share the technology to assist the planet and humanity. Only one answer. Get rid of TPTW then you get rid of the fear, and allow humanity to journey forward with the advanced technology that should have been up and running almost a 100yrs ago.

[Peter Kraai]

I really see a resource-based economy as the solution to develop our technology, I think we'd be able to jump ahead 10 years, as most technology is already invented, but not yet funded. what if you don't need funding ? free energy would become the main use of energy, and everyone would be allowed the same resources.. I say screw the economy, burn all the money ! ^^

[The One]

Why aren't we using free energy power?

Fact: Most ways we generate electricity are, at best 40% efficient.

Solution: Use a proven Magnetic Energy method and get over 100% efficiency, or even up to 1000% efficient!

Did you know that cars can operate on water with 100 miles per gallon? Or that you can pull Free Electricity right out of thin air with magnets? It’s true. Free Energy Power is real.

All you need for Free Energy power is a machine that outputs more energy than it consumes. There machines are called overunity. Machines like this have been around for the last 100 years. But for some reason and we all no why they have never really been utilized.

Most of these machines use a magnetic field to extract energy from the active environment around it. A huge misconception is the fact that empty space is empty. This is not true. Empty space is really full of pure energy. This energy can be tapped into from any place in the universe with a simple bar magnet.

Let me explain. Imagine you have two rooms connected with a door. In one room it is 90 degrees, and the other is 50 degrees. When the door is opened, the temperature with drop as the two rooms reach a balanced temperature This is the same concept with the magnet. It is extracting energy from the forth dimension Time and we can measure it in the third. Remember there are four dimensions, length, width, height, and time / space.



This is not some crazy concept. A noble prize was awarded in December 1957 to Tsung – Dao Lee and Chen Ning Yang for this fact. 50 years ago we knew we could get free energy power from this. But for some reason we still use fossil fuels. If we really want to use free energy power, we need to change our way at looking electricity. Take your normal tv remote control. Most people will tell you the battery is powering the remote. This is not true. What is actually happening is this.



The chemical energy in the battery is making a small dipole magnet. This magnet is pulling energy in from the active environment around it and powering the circuit. Here is the problem… All electrical circuits are deliberately set up to be in balance with the active environment. The current way drains the battery, because it consumes the charge. If you set the circuit up to be OUT of balance with the active environment, it will have a siphoning effect and pull energy from the 4th dimension.



This is how you get energy for free. You only use a little energy to get the dipole magnet then you extract all the energy you need plus some to return back to the source. The dipole magnet can be anything from a battery, generator, magnet, or motor. Most free energy machines you will ever hear about are doing something similar. Its just they are doing in a different way. Just look at how many different cars we have. Yet if you look at the big picture, they all do pretty much the same thing.


The only problem with free energy power is this. We will not see any commercial machines in near future. The people in control will never let that happen. It’s a $440 billion dollar a year industry. They will never let that go. SO what can we do? Well you can build your own. Free energy power is real and there is lots of research. You just need to do your homework and find out what type works best for your application.

[Gardener]

I have said this before on occasion, so I am sure others have said/felt it too.
"I am sure 'free energy' is possible, why would it not be with a planet full of quartz for starters, let alone what surrounds us in every conceivable place. So.... what is it in me that might remotely be construed as fear of it, well this thought is excercising me now and as yet I have no grounds to fear it; here are some obstacles which may affect my 'belief' that it may come about. Please understand I am using a little free association here just to get it out and try to understand why it isn't the hot topic of conversation for everyone on the planet given the situation with economic needs and ecological preservation.
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Some things which apply to me but may also apply to many others:
I am not remotely technically minded, have precious little knowledge of physics, have no ability in regard to constructing a device which would supply my energy needs. i.e. Someone else will have to do it, (someone elses resposibility)
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'Free' energy? Nothing is free, there no such thing, everything has a cost. (current paradigm) maybe the name itself restricts any confidence in it becoming a reality. Example 'if its free it can't be up to much' Another name may be more appealing....earth energy....eco supply....energy source supply..
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My thoughts also go to the black gold industry and their prevention of anyone aquiring the technology and what they will and have done to people in the pursuit of keeping it out of public domain. If I had the knowledge and ability to produce the device, I would be looking over my shoulder. This is not an irrational fear. I guess it may prevent some people from actually doing anything.
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People expect to pay..........Often the more the better it is!
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Sometimes bringing about a big change requires a big change, in order to bring it about; maybe a common adversity, or cataclysm, something which puts all the electricity out for a prolonged period.
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The collective psyche it seems is not equiped for a phase change, or new way of being.
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Perhaps if it were started and like a virus infected a couple more and they infected another eight and before long whole towns and cities had caught the bug..............
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I simply don't know, I am perplexed, and Socrates did say that perplexity is a good thing, it leads to deep questioning in a search for answers.:doh:

g

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hatter dons his lateral cap...

The problem is a bit like the disclosure issue. How do you do it without freaking out the population. Yes sourcing energy from overunity devices represents an opportunity to siphon of abundant and apparently free energy. This will have an obvious and immediate impact on the current power generating industries. ie they will all eventually be out of work. The problem however is not restricted to just that industry.

The depth of the impact needs to be looked at in light of what happens when the inevitable paradigm shift in the current tightly controlled understanding of Physics filters out into other areas. What might happen if mankind where able to precursor engineer 4d reality itself. It really is all about manipulation of scalar electro-magnetic frequencies folks...

Having mastered releasing energy from matter (think atomic bomb) the real challenge has always been to master making matter from energy.

So for the non technically minded imagine a world where almost anything you could possibly need, including food, is made in a Startrek type replicator. Add to that the ability to live in a 25 year old meat suit for 1000+ years courtesy of frequency based medicine. How would you pass the time since almost all traditional jobs would be redundant??

I'm just not sure that 7 billion people could, almost overnight, take up navel contemplation or tiddlywinks to while away the time...

One last thought re siphoning energy from the time dimension... how can we be sure that our gain is not some other entities dimensional loss (eual and opposite reaction?) and since we have no real idea it could be another possible explanation / source for the apparent ruthless suppression of such info / tech by known and unkown quarters, no?

[Carmody]

The energy really isn't free, we are merely tickling, via oscillation or via sudden 'snap' (the medium is a dual direction toroidal overlay/spiral.. it is elastic, resonant, marginally unidirectional (asymmetric in energy realization in this plane) and polarized (due to the multi-axis components), and the basic frameworks is moved into into a polarization-agreeance.... that allows more of the base energies in the system..into geometric alignment with this expression of reality.

If you read that sentence, as convoluted as it is, it becomes plain that the 'energy' comes from somewhere.. not nowhere. The question is what does this drain/exchange/transfer do (actuate/action) on the 'other' side?

[Gardener]

I can not pretend to understand what you are explaining Carmody, however I think I get the gist of parts of it. Multi-density/hyperdimensional expressions sit well with me, so I can understand the cost to another expression may be too great for this expression to 'take' what it 'wants', and the ramifications may seriously unbalance the hyperdimenional eco-system. i.e. we don't know what we, in our primative form, are doing.

If something has a 'go to' then it must have a 'come from' (or is that polarised thinking). How about turning it around, what can another expression take from this one? We feed the moon (hyperdimensionally) Gurdjieff says, with negative emotional energy, where might this fit the cost gain scenario. The problem that I find emerging now in my thinking is that we are attempting to solve this 'free-energy' requirement in a mechanical way, outside of us.

Back to thinking......
g

[Wade Frazier]

Hi All:

I have a few minutes before I run off to work. I would like to pose one question today: where does any energy come from? Ultimately? It ain’t the sun, and it ain’t from radioactivity. Even white science comes up with some quasi-mystical Big Bang, where everything came from nothing in an instant. If it happened that way, where did the Big Bang come from? Our so-called laws of physics, even the understandings in the black science world, aren’t even beginning to account for the Creator. The “law” of energy never being created or destroyed arose from the musings of mathematical geniuses whose comprehension of the Creator was a bit shy of mastery.

My suspicion is that the ZPF is divine in nature, and until we manifest sufficient collective diving intention, we are not going to get any. That fact that the Big Boys have it, and we do not get any, is another manifestation of the lack of sufficient collective divine intention. Personal integrity is the world’s scarcest commodity:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#burn

which is simply another indicator that we have not been able to muster sufficient divine intention (AKA love). Once enough of us do, then the harmonic effects may kick in, and we get over the hump. One thing that I read once is that tapping the ZPF as a society is like Star Trek’s “warp speed” threshold for a civilization to be eligible for contact. When we truly tap the ZPF as a collective, all other civilizations that can tap it will become aware of us. There is a lot more on “the other side” of the ZPF than we can imagine. If our hearts are pure, all will be well.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi Wade,

Your question "where does any energy comes from" always leads me back to these three questions that have not been answered (to my satisfaction anyway):

- what is energy?
- what is mass?
- what is "substance"?

During our school times these words get repeated over an over again, with some "quasi circular definitions" until we just stop asking what they are. (This happens with a lot of the so call "common sense laws" that we take for granted).

The best definition I have for energy at this time is: "Energy is all that is". And yes, in a sense energy is the Divine, but also what we would call the "mundane" (just a different manifestation of said "energy").

(If you are curious of how much of what we think we know goes unquestioned, I recommend the book "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance" (http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Art-Motorcycle-Maintenance-Inquiry/dp/0553277472) by Robert M. Pirsig)

[zenith]

where does any energy come from? Ultimately?
Within. ;)

[Gardener]

A pure heart, ahhh, how can we be anywhere near knowing? Until the unconscious complexes which affect behaviour are cleared or at least made conscious? Until then do I know who I am? Do I know why I do things? Does what I want for the world concurr with what the world needs, or the divine knows it needs. Is my intent just me thinking I know in my wisest (cough cough) earthly way.

Each layer of this subject brings more and more questions deeper and deeper. What gives me hope is that each of us has a perspective through which each of us can contribute our collective thinking; the intent (call it what you will) seems to be in forming a collective pool of ........ of what, energy? Justness?
g

[jcocks]

While the energy field that we would tap into would not be infinite per se, for all intents and purposes it would be infinite due to the sheer amount of it available to draw from within the field. My gut tells me that there is that much energy there that we could draw all the energy we could ever need from the field and the effect would be so miniscule on the other side that it would consume more energy to replace that energy than to just let it be. The universe would not make that energy available if it were to endanger its' existance. Besides, what's not to say that we don't put energy back into the field unknowingly?

As for the "divine intention" bit - LIE, big fat f'in LIE. It's just shocking how big the lie is - it's massive. They even LIE to us about our own nature - tell us we're brutes, that we're not worthy.

LIE

And we believe it.

Once we stop believing the LIE - and that is coming - the transformation we will undergo will be massive. Much larger than mere free energy. We have no idea - because the lie extends beyond our own confines, beyond this little planet we call earth, beyond this little slice of reality we call the third dimension. It's so big. Yet it's unbelievably flimsy. All that needs to happen is for enough of us to truly, in our own hearts, stop believing the lie and peel back the conditioning, and it will literally fall away.

My belief is that there will be events that will soon occur that will expose a lot of this for all to see very easily - without the interferance of TPTW in the process, but it will still be up to all of us individually to decide if we want to acknowledge what is shown.

[Davidallany]

Very positive and true title, it's good to be positive. I love it.:ohwell::rockon::clap2:

Good job on the thread.

[Gardener]

Wade [....That fact that the Big Boys have it, and we do not get any, is another manifestation of the lack of sufficient collective divine intention.

But do they have it really, if ZPF is divine in nature? Or are we looking at a divine which has a duality which in effect would permit/accomodate evil on an equal basis to a pure heart. Or is this a value judgement. Or even if they do have access to it, will they in their self-important hubris destroy themselves. Kind of reminds me of the myth of the 'Ark of the covenant' only the pure could approach it.

I am struggling to keep up with the conversation on all the threads on this...........can any of them be combined, np if not.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Greetings, the title of the thread works against the intended message and underminds it's power. (...)


David would you like to elaborate more on your statement?

This thread is a mental excersise. To help us better understand why we don't use FE on a daily basis yet. To pinpoint the cause of the earthly state of affairs.

The title was chosen purposefully. It is a hint ;)

[scanner]

We've had free energy since the early 1900's Nikola Tesla. JP Morgan funded Tesla, Morgan found he could not meter the supply of energy, so Morgan broke Tesla .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_kdg49YaI4Q

[Davidallany]

David would you like to elaborate more on your statement?

Yes sir.
I love you thread, very promising and thank you for the information. It seems I was in error.

Good job.:clap2::clap2::clap2:

[1159]

So called free energy still comes with a grave price. Imagine a similar scenario; 100 million brand new cars suddenly are given away-totally free- no tricks PLUS an unlimited supply of fuel forever! After one week, my guess is every road and highway would be gridlocked. The parralell is in fact very similar, but goes on to be even worse. Free energy means free unlimited electrcity. Now, if we did the same thing with electrcity as we did with the cars, we can only speculate on the explosion of electrical machines that would be used, with impunity. No-one would need to 'turn lights off' turn the heating down or regulate any energy expenditure. The environmental pollution backlash would be devastating.

It's the kid in a sweetshop when rich daddy is paying syndrome. How on earth you regulate the 'greed factor' Think about this carefully; no matter how wonderful the idea of 'free energy ' is, are we as a species responsible and mature enough to deal with the greed and excess that this would produce?

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hatter dons his Nihilists cap...


-where does any energy come from ?
- what is energy?
- what is mass?
- what is "substance"?

ONE very simple answer, albeit highly unpopular with most people... everything boils down to being nothing more than ideas and the semantic use of such so easily leads to
"quasi circular definitions" no matter the topic.

Investigation of such an uncomfortable conundrum leads to the question 'What might be the root cause of ideas?'

In looking to answer that you would need to identify the lowest common denominator amongst those things which consistantly affect everybody in the same way.

With respect to anything being potentially possible, one can only argue the case that something is so, under the caveat 'up to this particular point in time'.

It would seem that an extremely good candidate for the cause of all ideas is actually something we all rely on to let us down every day... GRAVITY!! :p

cheers

PS Was given this to read in my early teens "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance" (http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Art-Motorcycle-Maintenance-Inquiry/dp/0553277472) by Robert M. Pirsig)
and loved it.

[Davidallany]

Hello, I would like to comment on this statement.

are we as a species responsible and mature enough to deal with the greed and excess that this would produce?

Good and thoughtful question.:high5:

Good job on thread.

[1159]

Hello, I would like to comment on this statement.

are we as a species responsible and mature enough to deal with the greed and excess that this would produce?

I think people can be responsible, if people are made to know the facts of the situation and if people are instructed from an early age. I even see teenagers and children being somewhat responsible these days.

I would like to share your optimism, but evidence would seem to suggest that on a global scale the balance is towards self destruction through abdication of responsibility and greed. I suspect free energy would lead to a sudden and dreadful explosion of consumption before it self regulated. Can we live through the damage of that transition, or would it be a tipping point for our already fragile eco system?

[Davidallany]

I would like to share your optimism, but evidence would seem to suggest that on a global scale the balance is towards self destruction through abdication of responsibility and greed. I suspect free energy would lead to a sudden and dreadful explosion of consumption before it self regulated. Can we live through the damage of that transition, or would it be a tipping point for our already fragile eco system?

I Understand what you mean, sir.

I like your thread very much.

[TargeT]

The energy really isn't free, we are merely tickling, via oscillation or via sudden 'snap' (the medium is a dual direction toroidal overlay/spiral.. it is elastic, resonant, marginally unidirectional (asymmetric in energy realization in this plane) and polarized (due to the multi-axis components), and the basic frameworks is moved into into a polarization-agreeance.... that allows more of the base energies in the system..into geometric alignment with this expression of reality.

If you read that sentence, as convoluted as it is, it becomes plain that the 'energy' comes from somewhere.. not nowhere. The question is what does this drain/exchange/transfer do (actuate/action) on the 'other' side?

the extra dimensional "un-intended consiquences" are interesting; I try to visualise everything in at least 3d, but knowing there's so much more than that makes it harder.. though I guess an overlaid torrid is more of a 4th dimensional (at least how I think of it now) object, as they exsists in shared space, much like the inverted stacked pyramids that (I feel) make up our personal energy signature (looks like the star of david in 2d).

This is the only "real" concern I think that should have mind-energy spent on.. anything in our 3d world is nearly irrelivant.



It would seem that an extremely good candidate for the cause of all ideas is actually something we all rely on to let us down every day... GRAVITY!! :p

cheers


I actually think its duality.. positive and negative (we call them "charges" or magnetic/electric (and they forget gravity)) interacting around a neutral center (so really, trinity, which should ring some randomly corroborated bells)

Gravity is a part of it, but not a standalone force as some seem to think.

[Ol' Roy]

Guys, I would hope and am glad to see Wade Frasier post on this thread. Wade has a tread on all of this. He is looking for people like you, that could go to level 12 as he calls it. You have the credidentials to get you there. If you would only pay attention. Wade has been through all of your hypothesis. Been there done that, so to speak.

Illie, Sandy, and Mr. Neiwiadomski post regularly on his tread. I don't post reguarlly, but do believe what he is saying. I challenge The One, Gardner, and Davidallany, and others to check out his info. Especially his web site, He references this quite often. There is a wealth of info here.

I am not technology advanced, but do understand some of his philosphies. And understand why he is using this approach. So that the average person can understand it.

Please check it out, if you haven't already. He is one of the sincere people, who is trying to get this info out, in my belief.

Sincerely,
O'Roy

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Dear Avalonians,
If you feel bad about this thread you should check this thread out :)
A Future Earth (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32399-A-Future-Earth&p=330389&viewfull=1#post330389)
David, i know what you mean with visualising... I practice it everyday :) And confirm it's usefullness :)

This "negative" thread can't provide more energy for darkness to hinder propagation of free energy. Don't worry :) Raising our awareness of darkness don't makes more darkness if we just observe it without judgement (ie. blowing a fuse or cheering it)...

[TargeT]

Hello, I would like to comment on this statement.

are we as a species responsible and mature enough to deal with the greed and excess that this would produce?

I think people can be responsible, if people are made to know the facts of the situation and if people are instructed from an early age. I even see teenagers and children being somewhat responsible these days.

I would like to share your optimism, but evidence would seem to suggest that on a global scale the balance is towards self destruction through abdication of responsibility and greed. I suspect free energy would lead to a sudden and dreadful explosion of consumption before it self regulated. Can we live through the damage of that transition, or would it be a tipping point for our already fragile eco system?

1159; I think your totaly wrong, :)

Part of the reason the Mayan calander makes so much sense to me is I now SEE the growth in people, even if they might not recognize it, I see people that I never thought would be anything but a debt slave for the rest of their life asking profound questions; at first I was shocked but then I started reading about the 9 levels of conciousness & how everything is accelerating to the completion, then the 5thnight thing hit & really rocked my world..

ANYWAY, I think that the current system of externalising power & responsiblity is at fault, not people, people will flock to a better way once it is shown. No one is happy with the status quo, but the current fear doctrin makes them happy to stay as it's a "known" vrs an "unknown".

we are ready for "easy energy " (not free); and it is comming, check out the link in my sig for absolute proof of it, in the "real world" this concept is exhibited in the E-Cat (which you will know how it functions if you understand that thread).



edit:

and I'll throw this out there... all that we need to do to find "free" energy is concentrate on IMPEDENCE!
Impedence in EVERYTHING! we already do this a lot,, think of everything in terms of impedence and you'll see what I mean.. (siphon was mentioned earlier.. same thing, impeedence is a more all encompasing term)

[Davidallany]

This "negative" thread can't provide more energy for darkness to hinder propagation of free energy.
It is good that you address your fears on Avalon.

:clap2::clap2:

Good thread.
My best

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

David,

My sense of irony in English language is imperfect and needs some more polishing ;) Forgive me...
I wonder how irony in written text in China looks like...
Oops strayed too way off topic! Back on track.

If we would get our hands on FE technology today, tomorrow will be gone overnight. First FE would be weaponized. Just like nuclear technology. First country to use it against it's enemies would start a chain reaction of retaliations. Add to this A.I., military drones and infinite electricity power supply combined and humanity is a toast in a puff of smoke... We need to shed our killer instincts off first...

[TargeT]

If we would get our hands on FE technology today, tomorrow will be gone overnight. First FE would be weaponized. Just like nuclear technology. First country to use it against it's enemies would start a chain reaction of retaliations. Add to this A.I., military drones and infinite electricity power supply combined and humanity is a toast in a puff of smoke... We need to shed our killer instincts off first...

study history, tell me where ONE major war has been entered into with out tricking the population into it... this is a false concept, people in general do not want to kill other people. Police do not keep us safe, we keep us safe; I don't know if this concept ( killer instincts ) comes from a base of fear or what, but I find it to be mostly untrue.

when was the last time you felt the urge to kill somoene strongly enough that you had to hold your self back? & if you did feel it was it just an expression of emotion based from confusion or truely a homicidal desire..

we are all one, what you feel I feel, I simply filter it differently through my perspective (past sequence training); don't think people are very different than you... but don't under estimate the power of indoctronation either ;).

I could spew facts to back all this up if you care for "proof", but this is my understanding as a USA resident & member of the military for 12 years. we refer to them as "trigger pullers" and there are VERY VERY few real trigger pullers out there, most are just reacting defensively, aiming high, closing their eyes at the time they shoot at a live person.. in my point of view (seeped in war, machoism & generally high levels of testosterone) people are mostly not like this with out serious conditioning & trauma to help seperate themselfs from their own humanity.

[Davidallany]

If we would get our hands on FE technology today, tomorrow will be gone overnight. First FE would be weaponized. Just like nuclear technology. First country to use it against it's enemies would start a chain reaction of retaliations. Add to this A.I., military drones and infinite electricity power supply combined and humanity is a toast in a puff of smoke... We need to shed our killer instincts off first...


Good and solid information.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

If we were all angels without killer instinct there would be no way anybody could be tricked into joining military or sending soldiers abroad...

How often can you hear somebody shouting I'll kill you!" in anger? How often have you seen children playing with toy guns (nerf, waterguns, airguns, storm trooper's blasters etc.) aim at each other and pulling triggers? How often have you seen people playing paintball? Untill we won't stop this hidden "trigger pulling" conditioning we are not going to use FE. Last thing. Why on Earth most promoted kids movies are always about neverending violent fight for peace? Can't you see a pattern unfolding into adulthood here? We let our governments (OUR employees!) send soldiers to "fight for peace" (and oil) or "fight terror" (with terror)...

If it is not real killer instinct then it is that military conditioning that makes us easy prey for manipulators... This anger path is more obvious more accesible more instinctive more automatic than lambs path... Oh what a softie i am...

[Davidallany]

:clap2::clap2::clap2::rockon::high5:
Good stuff.

[TargeT]

If we were all angels without killer instinct there would be no way anybody could be tricked into joining military or sending soldiers abroad...

How often can you hear somebody shouting I'll kill you!" in anger? How often have you seen children playing with toy guns (nerf, waterguns, airguns, storm trooper's blasters etc.) aim at each other and pulling triggers? How often have you seen people playing paintball? Untill we won't stop this hidden "trigger pulling" conditioning we are not going to use FE. Last thing. Why on Earth most promoted kids movies are always about neverending violent fight for peace? Can't you see a pattern unfolding into adulthood here? We let our governments (OUR employees!) send soldiers to "fight for peace" (and oil) or "fight terror" (with terror)...

If it is not real killer instinct then it is that military conditioning that makes us easy prey for manipulators... This anger path is more obvious more accesible more instinctive more automatic than lambs path... Oh what a softie i am...

well lets disect your examples:

I think you'll find you agree with me, but perhaps haven't explored it fully.

lets change your last statement around a bit. it's not JUST military conditioning, as you said, children are doing this, we are conditioned to do this from day ONE! and its MOSTLY about duality; it all comes down to duality.

Us vrs them etc.. this is the root of it all, if you notice, no games played in school are "inclusive" they are alway EXCLUSIVE, two teams, 1 winner, 1 looser, (we'll skip ties for now). now expand this duality indoctrination to an entire life (or at least the MOST IMPORTANT YEARS of life) and you'll see why its so easy to "trick" us into betraying our nature. its furhtered in later life through orginised sports, elections, anything on TV etc.. duality is pushed at us ALL THE TIME, police in the US use RED and BLUE lights (perfect example of duality for many reasons) and ever notice that the red flashes on one side then the blue on the other (and the other way around).. police and military are the peak expression of duality.
(for an exelent explination of why this happens, watch this AMAZING presentation from the 2011 freeyourmind conference: http://freeviewdocumentaries.com/2011/06/15/free-your-mind-conference-mark-passio/ )

this is a system that has been in place for a long time because it works so well, when we are not at peace with ourselfs, when we are constantly in a dualistic state, we are EASILY lead through logical fallacies to one conclusion or another, then you simply put someone in a state of fear (easy when your being shot at or, "PSYCed" up via speach) and let the fight, flight or freeze take over (thats why there's so few "trigger pullers" not many are "fighters" most are flight / freeze).

Does this make sense?

My ultimate point here is that people are not expressing themselfs as people, they are expressing themselfs as extreme conflict in everyway, duality at its finnest & THAT is what we must end. so really I'm arguing semantecs with you, you say killer instincts, I say dualistic indoctronation; but my concept is a learned behavior, yours seems to be an inherent one (and I do disagree with that).

if nothing else we can agree to disagree, but give what I've written some thought; it may help you raise your spirits about humanity; it wont be easy, but IT IS possible to change!

this is all slightly OT, yet not really I supose, we are discussing why to not be (or be) afraid of "free" energy.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Being here and now, in the moment, in The Zone, in The Flow is the way to be. I agree. I think it will be natural state of being in the FE world...

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

TargeT, i agree with you :)

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

I'd just like to remind you all the purpose of this thread. We should share here any fears that we feel we may have about Free Energy or any worries that we may have.

We do not do this to get more "darkness", nor to be judged for our fears or worries or to be told how wrong we are... we do it to express this fear, to "look it in the eye" as it were, to bring light into some dark corners of the mind.

This will help us heal, and it is my hope that will help others recognize and heal these fears in themselves.

So please, be gentle with those that were brave enough to express themselves here, this is what this thread is for.. to express, to explore and to heal :)

We now have 5 threads: Wade's general energy thread, the one I've started that explores the things will go away with FE, the positive visions thread, the "road to FE" and of course this thread.

They are deeply interconnected, but for example, if you while reading here about the fear of FE, you get inspired to write a "positive vision" do that on the vision thread. Keeping threads focused on what their function is will make them more helpful!

Thank you! :)

[Hughe]

One last thought re siphoning energy from the time dimension... how can we be sure that our gain is not some other entities dimensional loss (eual and opposite reaction?) and since we have no real idea it could be another possible explanation / source for the apparent ruthless suppression of such info / tech by known and unkown quarters, no?
Premature death of entire Earth caused by accelerated time flow.


The energy really isn't free, we are merely tickling, via oscillation or via sudden 'snap' (the medium is a dual direction toroidal overlay/spiral.. it is elastic, resonant, marginally unidirectional (asymmetric in energy realization in this plane) and polarized (due to the multi-axis components), and the basic frameworks is moved into into a polarization-agreeance.... that allows more of the base energies in the system..into geometric alignment with this expression of reality.

If you read that sentence, as convoluted as it is, it becomes plain that the 'energy' comes from somewhere.. not nowhere. The question is what does this drain/exchange/transfer do (actuate/action) on the 'other' side?
I don't know your understanding of energy technology. I know one specific principal of nature in our universe that unlimited energy is possible without no side effect. The efficiency of this technology is less than two magnitude of input/output ratio. It looks primitive than cutting edge FE technologies that deals with dimensions, the very fabric of matter. However, it is safe, nondestructive, also has the harmonic nature.

Our universe is an open system. Symmetric model is simply wrong. Stuck in closed paradigm leads to dead end no matter how the theories and mathematics become complex. An energy generator based on a close loop system's maximum efficiency is always below 1 (100%).


I would like to share your optimism, but evidence would seem to suggest that on a global scale the balance is towards self destruction through abdication of responsibility and greed. I suspect free energy would lead to a sudden and dreadful explosion of consumption before it self regulated. Can we live through the damage of that transition, or would it be a tipping point for our already fragile eco system?
It's not them what force us to believe or do. People have the right to choose their action either it will lead to destruction or joy and longevity of living. Present civilization is already middle of crash course. Fossil fuel based economy has destroyed Earth and our spirituality. How much longer do we take on this ugly passage?

My only concern of energy technology is people might consider water as source of energy, that will be the worst case scenario. Water is the source of life forms. It's time for humanity to get out of matter based energy dependence.

[sandy]

The advent of Free Energy will be opposed by the masses!!! This would mean personal responsibility and no Big Daddy would be a reality. There are far too many children dependent of the Global Controllers calling the shots and telling them what to do, what to believe, etc. This is the irony of what is happening today with all those who do not want to see life for what it is on this planet, thus my ultimate nightmare>>>>> the masses will oppose our evolution as a species and planet :(

[Wade Frazier]

Well, Robert, you sure know how to stir up sh*t. :) I found myself laughing, in a good way, about how this thread has gone so far. It makes me think that I should get one of those negative visions written sooner than later, to center the thread on my intention for it, which Ilie once again articulated better than I can.

This fear of free energy thread is bringing appropriate stuff up for examination. For some of the responses, it seems that tongues are in cyber-cheeks, and for others I am not sure. The standard environmentalist cry of fear is well represented here, too:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/purpose.htm#environmentalists

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level5

I talked about those kinds of reactions in my interviews with Scott:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/public.htm#interviews

Getting those fears on the table is fine, but I want to respond to Gardener’s excellent question on if the ZPF is divine in nature, how come the “bad guys” have technology that can tap it? This is going to be a wide-ranging post, but it will at least give the bones of my perspective. Again, it is just my perception, and Adam may have a different one, or Dennis, or Brian O (especially these days with his newly cosmic awareness), or Greer, and so on. My perception was developed through my wild journey. For starters, planets have likely been blown up, Alderaan-style, in the past. We have the ability to mess up our nest pretty well. However, even blowing up a planet is not much, on the galactic power scale; it is not even a tiny solar burp. Seth said long ago that physical reality is a kind of spiritual kindergarten, and that we are not given a pen to write in ink here, but more like in pencil (or crayons). When we can demonstrate our ability to master the lessons of physical reality, then we are given the opportunity for some real learning and responsibility, and will eventually be given good paper and ink instead of pencil, erasers, and scrap paper or Play-Doh. An alleged archangel told me long ago, not long after I got my clock cleaned in Ventura:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#mr

that I helped melt down Atlantis, and that I have been in a kind of penance ever since. When I heard that, it made sense. But, when I have read about the spiritual degeneracy that accompanied the fall of Atlantis, I sure hope that I have learned my lesson, because some of that late Atlantis stuff was spiritually sick. I want to live in this world:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

not this one:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roadsblade

I have put plenty of autobiographical information on my thread, from my LA Days:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=319133&viewfull=1#post319133

to how Godzilla’s minions act when they show up:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=305681&viewfull=1#post305681

I had my mystical awakening long before I ever got mixed up in the FE biz:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#silva

and that voice in my head sure led me down the path, so some of what follows won’t be anything that I can prove to Gardener or anybody else, but it is what I think today, after my long years of being in this field, and my opinion could change tomorrow, but I doubt that it will be by much.

As I have stated in my interviews and elsewhere (and Adam alluded to the same thing his first interview with Scott http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/Archive/adam-trombly-thrive-movie-starchild-program-zero-point-energy-part-1.html ), the technology that the Big Boys have (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground ) is a crude imitation of the ET technology that they reverse-engineered. As I stated in an email to Bill, which he put as the intro to my interview (http://projectcamelot.org/wade_frazier.html), because of our primitive understanding of consciousness, in addition to not having our hearts in charge (that divine intention stuff), we really do not have the good stuff, not by ET standards. So, are the Big Boys tapping the ZPF with their technology? Yes. But how well? What are the side-effects? What about the weaponization of FE? My understanding is that while it seems like we have tapped unlimited power with those toys, it is more on the level of cavemen with their clubs, at the Federation standard. We are like Klingons under quarantine. Humanity is not going to be allowed to travel the stars with its warlike ways. We have to grow up, first, and cleaning up our nest is one of the prerequisites. Now, some of that is what my pals and others in the FE and exotic field have told me, some who I think know what they are talking about. Some is from my intuition from interacting with mystical material. But most of how I see things was a result of playing on the high road to FE and surviving the experience, and seeing how my fellow travelers fared.

It took many experiences to beat reality into my head regarding the FE milieu:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#why

and to come to my base understanding of the issue: the kind of world that we live in is directly proportional to how much each of us cares about it. It is really that simple. And when I saw FE inventors getting bought out/wiped out by the score, it was educational. When fellow travelers thought that they could sneak past them:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#traveler

and so on, or as I watched efforts collapse from within (sometimes with a little help from their Godzilla “friends”), I got a multi-faceted view of the conundrum. When I saw all of the inventor-itis, with the manifold delusions that accompanied their perspectives:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level6

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level7

and the many casualties:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level13

when I began hearing about the psychotronic aspects of FE (and how such equipment could be used for evil purposes – and the Big Boys are not going to “get away with it” – no matter how clever they think they are, because they answer to themselves in the end), and witnessed all the other mayhem around it, it began dawning on me that there was something deeper happening, even if I did not have that voice in my head that launched me on that path.

The fact that there are not many altruistic inventors (I heard rumors of some, but never met one yet with the goods), the fact that Godzilla rarely needs to roll out of bed to deal with FE upstarts, that most FE efforts end in self-inflicted bloodbaths, that the FE effect can be ephemeral (when it is not wiped out), led me to suspect that they were all related to the human heart, some directly, and others less so. Because not enough of us currently have the right stuff, we don’t get any FE right now, and all of those less-than-lofty behaviors are only symptomatic of our underlying malaise. Until we get our hearts in the right place, we are not going to get FE, from how easily FE efforts have been suppressed, to how the technology can seem rickety, to how most of the world does not know about it and does not care. I began to realize that we were not going to get this energy source until our intentions were sufficiently inspired, in more ways than one. Something a lot bigger is happening here, and it is a lot more than the nuts and bolts of making FE happen. The “bad guys” are not really bad guys, not in the Creator’s eyes:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#love

and we attracted them to us for this play that we are acting in. In very real ways, they are us. The worst of the worst is only a child at play in the Creator’s eyes. As the Infinite Spirit says, “We are one.”

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#age1

I am willing to be wrong about this, but the only people who will convincingly prove my folly to me are those who have played on the high road. I only know of a few who I would sit at their feet and hear what they have to say on the matter, and what you are reading is partly what I learned from them.

Thanks for the plug, Ol’ Roy! :)

OK Sandy, that was enough of nightmare scenarios from you, young lady. I want to see some future positive visions from you on that thread. :)

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

On what are energy, mass and substance, the greatest physicists said that they don’t know:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#heisenberg

They said that science only describes measurements regarding them (or what we think is them), but what they ultimately are, they don’t know. When Dennis was in jail and while he was out before the “deal” was struck, I ended up doing a fair amount of research on the technologies we were pursuing, so I could help brief any expert witnesses. When I moved to Ohio, I spent months studying thermodynamics, the patents related to our technologies, and for something as simple as temperature, just try to find a definition that makes much sense. It apparently has not changed over the years:

http://www.temperatures.com/wit.html

I can’t remember off the top of my head, but one of the leading principles of thermodynamics, invented by those Europeans in the 19th century, was a bit of circular logic, and its “discoverer” of the principle made it clear that the circular nature of the reasoning was a key to the theory.

Like Mad Hatter said, the stuff goes in circles all the time. In evolution, survival of the fittest is a circular argument, admitted by its proponents, but they say that circularity is an important concept. The “skeptics” engage in circular reasoning all the time:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm#friends

I see it with scientists and FE all the time:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/radleft.htm#circular

So, I think that we can safely say that those things are part of the “all that is,” but that isn’t much help, either. :) As far as knowing what those things are, I don’t think we can get there from here. This entire dimension is ultimately illusory, and maybe that is part of the problem of trying to nail such Jell-O to the wall.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

OK Wade, I get that.

So without having an answer for what energy is can we say where it comes from? And I suspect that behind that question is hiding another one: "is it truly unlimited? can we have as much of it as we need at no expense of others?"

[58andfixed]

No such thing as a perpetual machine - right ?

What about electrons moving around in our theoretical atom ?

Are electrons running on Duracell batteries, gasoline, coal OR something else ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWVX_rGzzQU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWVX_rGzzQU

Just because reality can't be comprehended, understood or have a patent yet, doesn't make it any less real.

- 58

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

Remember Seth II? Seth II said, as I recall, that their joy created universes. Yes, energy can be obtained by not having to harm anything else. I’ll bet that those people harmed nothing in their acquisition of energy:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

Ilie, the source of the universe is a Creator that none of us can begin to comprehend, and true creators create with love. Love is the energy of creation. I ain’t talking in some New Agey, airy-fairy, way. The lesson that we are learning here is how to be creators, and that is done with love, and love has no limits. This much, I know. I don’t want to say that I have “faith” regarding it. I have experienced love working “miracles.” I don’t want to sound like some Course in Miracles guy, but love is it. It is all. And, until we become Level 19s:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level19

we are going to learn the responsible use of energy via technology. Heck, we have been learning the energy game for maybe two millions years:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#chart

at least that today’s white science can tell. The lamb’s path is not just something that sounds nice. A loving approach is one with integrity (that world’s scarcest commodity again). Again, the lesson that I resisted the longest was that people with loving hearts (those who act with integrity) are so astonishingly rare. Only a loving approach has any hope of making FE happen. Again, I am not being an idealist, but the ultimate realist in this matter. The “we need to break some eggs to make that omelette” people are deeply deluded, and one of the main reasons such efforts have failed. The love issue and FE are joined at the hip in ways that you could spend your next ten lifetimes pursuing. FE is the practical side of the love issue. I totally get how the “let’s just love each other” talk can seem pretty empty-headed, but it really is the key. But that love has to first be given to ourselves. Even the dark pathers get that part. Their problem is that they got stuck with loving themselves and nothing else.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#love

With love, Ilie, we truly can have it all. What is love? That is really the big question, and everybody whom I really respected in the FE field was really pursuing that issue, not what we call “energy” so much:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#greatest

Intention is everything.

Going to bed now, young man.

Love,

Wade

[truthseekerdan]

WOW, just happened to read your post Wade, and I totally agree with you already... :nod:

Much Love & Wisdom

Dan

[nottelling]

This thread makes my brain hurt - in a good way ;)

Free energy/the promise of a resource-based economy is something I am interested in, but haven't yet read up enough to have an informed opinion - this post can add nothing constructive to the conversation apart from a genuine and sincere thank you to all participants for such thought-provoking discourse.

I will devour all of the material in these 5 or 6 related threads.

:)

[Simonm]

Wow, Thankyou all for your input. Im not going to pretend to underrstand what the hell your on about, but I have a lot to read up on and hopefully it won't be long before I DO understand more. Thanks

[Wade Frazier]

Hi to those new to the thread:

There probably is no quick education in this stuff. I made a summary of my Avalon posts, but it is a little out of date, but could be considered a good start:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/public.htm#avalon

Of note in recent activity, I made a few posts on what the Global Controllers look like when they show up, and if you play the free energy game at a high level, they will show up.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=305681&viewfull=1#post305681

and some of my early experiences in the real world of LA that launched me on my journey:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=319133&viewfull=1#post319133

This thread you are reading was intended to explore the fears that people have about free energy. Fear is the most common reaction to the idea of free energy, by far, from denial,

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level0

to how the environmentalists can only see humanity's and the planet’s doom if FE happened:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/purpose.htm#environmentalists

Other threads are dedicated to exploring the upside of FE:

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32399-A-Future-Earth

possible transition plans to FE:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32475-Free-Energy-Transition-plans-for-Earth

what would become obsolete in a FE-based world:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29372-What-technologies-activities-or-concepts-will-be-made-obsolete-by-Free-Energy

and the one that started it all:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet

which has become a bit long. All of this activity is only a prelude to an invitation-only conversation that I plan to begin, maybe in a sub-forum at Avalon, after I finish an essay that I have been researching for several years:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm

My friend Brian O’Leary died this past summer, and I was his biographer.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianbio.htm

I plan to write an essay about him this fall, hopefully before the movie Thrive comes out (which he makes an appearance in):

http://thrivemovement.com/

I also did a bunch of interviews this year, with three of them with Scott (and his partner Tom co-hosted two of them), whom I met at Avalon:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/public.htm#interviews

He also interviewed fellow FE traveler Adam Trombly:

http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/Archive/adam-trombly-thrive-movie-starchild-program-zero-point-energy-part-1.html

who will also be on Thrive. Adam is getting into the habit of going on shows after I do:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/radio.htm#intro

So, there is some action happening in the FE field, visibility-wise, that I have not seen in a while. Interesting times.

Happy reading,

Wade

[Gardener]

Ok just a small musing here, a couple of drops in the ocean, but may have some relevence.

When a person is in psychoanalysis or some other modality akin , and something 'comes up' from the unconscious, some complex starting to unravel and become conscious; following the integration into conscious awareness there is an influx of energy into the life of the individual. Energy which can be described as 'enthusiasm' or perhaps 'motivation', physical too. Could this be described under the heading of 'intent'. Holding a complex in place (in the unconscious and out of reach) is known to have a debilitating effect on energy.

I am beginning to get a picture of an energy which is to all 'intents' and purposes neutral but dependent on context therefore available to all or more accurately both polarities. In the context of for the sake of argument 'good or evil' or any permutation in between, the cost/benefit rebounding onto the 'utiliser of the energy' determining the balance. ( ref carmody's post on what are ramifications of taking 'free energy'). Can there be any other form of energy than consciousness?

Thread title....There no way in 'hell' (or unconscious) for free energy, but maybe in the other context there is, it give back.

[Gardener]

In the last couple of days whilst reflecting and reading Wade's essays, I have read many of them before, but this time there has been a rollercoaster of very polarised feelings, not at the writing, but a welling up out of nowhere. I have ridden them out as best I could, (only once did I throw a bucket accross the garden) :) Only to find a total opposite feeling pouring into and out of me. It was this that lead me to the above post on neutrality, balance, and context.

[amadeus]

Hi All

Don't kill me yet! Please...

This thread is intended for dropping off our baggage of fear free energy brings to the table. Feel free to describe as hellish scenarios as you could ever dream up in your worst nightmares...

Best wishes
Robert

P.S. This thread was inspired by Wade Frazier's post here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=330978&viewfull=1#post330978

P.P.S
Maybe we could post some thoughts explaining source and mechanics of free energy fear here?

[edit Oct. 14th, 2011 20:40 GMT]
Dear Avalonians,
The title of this thread has been chosen purposefully. It is a hint ;)
If you feel bad about this thread you should check this thread out :)
A Future Earth (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32399-A-Future-Earth&p=330389&viewfull=1#post330389)

This "negative" thread can't provide more energy for darkness to hinder propagation of free energy. Don't worry :) Raising our awareness of darkness don't makes more darkness if we just observe it without judgement (ie. blowing a fuse or cheering it)...

hello robert, very pleased to meet you
what underpins our authorities fear of free energy is structure and function
to provide free energy is to confess to the structure and function of our universe not being as believed for all time up to the Revelation of approx 150 years ago when it`s electrical nature and consequences manifested
put simple: it is the politics of god
because the now known structure removes our traditional belief in god and our history within that belief
thus presenting humanity with an awareness of themselves possessing potential for manifesting a different lifestyle, unimaginable to our intuitions who`s duty is to sustain order within society and who themselves are formed and sustained by the very beliefs that current "national security" information makes obsolete
no one in authority has been presented with a coherent agenda of implementations because the consequence have to date been beyond the manageable imagination of those who`s duty is to visualize

[Gardener]

You could very well be right Amadeus. Most here speak plainly so that they are understood, perhaps if you could say what you mean with more clarity and coherence, less verbosity, a little more punctuation it would be very much appreciated.

Welcome to the forum,

g

[amadeus]

You could very well be right Amadeus. Most here speak plainly so that they are understood, perhaps if you could say what you mean with more clarity and coherence, less verbosity, a little more punctuation it would be very much appreciated.

Welcome to the forum,

g

Oh

All societies are structured thus function upon original belief of the structure hence nature of god.
The structure of our universe, as now known, alters every belief we possessed in god
Free energy as in: how does it work, compels confession of the above by the same authorities that enforce gods will (law) within all societies.

[Gardener]

Ah yes! What gives life meaning now is very much different to our ancestors. I suppose it has to depend on how people interpret 'God' what God is. So in say fundamentalist christian or in abrahamic judeaism, a lot of beliefs might have to come under the hammer before there could be even a comprehension of what it might mean to have an infinite source of energy. Therefore maybe a good reason why many of the elite power brokers are members of said belief systems, even if only to retain this knowledge and power.

Have I understood you correctly?

[Wade Frazier]

Hey Robert:

Notice how this “fear” thread is getting all the action right now? :) Ah, this is normal and OK. It is a key part of the terrain.

Hi Gardener:

I apologize to your bucket. :) Yes, I get the roller coaster part, and that is why very few people can hang in there. What can come out of the other side of the process is wisdom, love and all of that good stuff. What my work is partly intended to do is shake people out of their belief in “the system.” The “system” is really not worth believing in. It is the old skins, and won’t hold the new wine. Almost everybody who encounters the FE situation gets stuck in one of the levels below Level 12:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level1

I am trying to help people get to Level 12 without risking/wasting their lives on inventor-itis, sneaking past Godzilla, becoming hopeless, and so on. My journey in this stuff began about when I learned to walk and memorized the books that my parents read to me:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paths.htm#_edn4

so, I am familiar with about every reaction to my work that you can think of. It can be really painful to realize the state of the world and how far we seem to be from achieving what is necessary if the human journey is going to last much longer. But, if I, or somebody else, can get that choir formed, it may be the critical ingredient for catalyzing the change.

We will see.

Best,

Wade

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Have a look at this point of view:

We are gridlocked in an invisible web of interdependence. We are stuck in it because we depend on other people who provide us with food, clothing or housing. If we do some "soft" work we are at mercy of people doing some "hard" work. In the deepest of our hearts we unconsciously KNOW we are toast without other people in the sense of supporting our bodies in living conditions with some decent amenities. We believe that if abandoned we will die quickly. Add to this our selfishness projected onto others. In effect we believe other people are selfish too. We know that we would not share FE device with others if we are ever to get our hands on it. But what is the use of never depleting batteries if we can’t eat electricity? What life supporting tools we power with it? So if that hardworking people got those FE devices first for themselves they will no longer be forced to use our already worthless services. They will stop providing us with clothes, food, housing and keep it for their children and themselves. We will lost our creature comforts and die of cold and starvation. Even if we try and learn some practical skill it will take tools and time and while learning we will die of cold and starvation. We believe that all odds are against us. So better somebody nip in the bud this FE ideas or we will perish...

It is in all best interest we continue our business as usual! Or else...

[TargeT]

I planned on shocking public displays, leveraging everything I have learned from our exhaustive HollyWood &'PR firm bombardment; I think that concioisness on average has risen to a level that natural curiosity is all that needs to be sparked.

Humans experience emotion serially, fear must be pre-empted; I choose curiosity... But my work in this area has not moved beyond conceptualization unfortunately...

[amadeus]

All societies are structured thus function upon original belief of the structure hence nature of god.
The structure of our universe, as now known, alters every belief we possessed in god
Free energy as in: how does it work, compels confession of the above by the same authorities that enforce gods will (law) within all societies.

this same topic is the heart of disclosure
it is not so much that non human life exists, it is the environment (universe) we share that enables their communication and travel at near instant velocity over any distance that is the stumbling block.
the explanation of how they do it , as is the explanation of how free energy is distributed, by default, alters all beliefs of god hence threatens the structure of all our societies functions
it is not that god ceases to exist, it is that god becomes something as yet unimagined, in practical terms and application by our traditions
traditions structured to force the function of our believed correct application of gods will (universal laws)

[Gardener]

Sounds a bit like the level 8 'paranoid defeatest', and in some ways it is hard to argue with this in the current paradigm, there are a lot of assumptions though, that 'everyone' is selfish; that 'no one' would share; that it would take 'time' to learn new skills; these look like false premises. And what has 'to die alone' got to do with it? There are people who think this way anyway without the idea of FE, its who they are right now. Also there is a note of entitlement, expectation as a right.


Have a look at this point of view:

We are gridlocked in an invisible web of interdependence. We are stuck in it because we depend on other people who provide us with food, clothing or housing. If we do some "soft" work we are at mercy of people doing some "hard" work. In the deepest of our hearts we unconsciously KNOW we are toast without other people in the sense of supporting our bodies in living conditions with some decent amenities. We belive that we will die on our own. Add to this our selfishness projected onto others. In effect we believe other people are selfish too. We know that we would not share FE device with others if we are ever to get our hands on it. But what is the use of neverdepletting batteries if we can not eat electricity? What life supporting tools we power with it? So if that hardworking people got those FE devices first for themselves they will no longer be forced to use our already worthless services. They will stop providing us with clothes, food, housing and keep it for their children and themselves. We will loose our creature comforts and die of cold and starvation. Even if we try and learn some practical skill it will take tools and time and while learning we will die of cold and starvation. We believe that all odds are against us. So better somebody nip in the bud this FE ideas or we will perish...

It is in all best interest we continue our bussines as usual! Or else...

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Gardener:

The “Wade Levels” ( :) ) can overlap, etc., but yes, it could be a bit of Level 8 there, but it seems like a lot of Level 5, too. Yes, the premises are questionable.

I would like to say what I hope this thread becomes, and what it does not become. I really hope that this thread is where fears can be honored and examined. I plan to put up some scenarios that will be as “negative” as these posts are “positive.”

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32399-A-Future-Earth&p=330505&viewfull=1#post330505

They will be nightmare scenarios; one will be if we do not embrace FE; another will be if we do FE in the ways that many fear – weaponized or used to strip mine the entire planet, and I can think of some others that I hope I do not live to see.

Some posts on this thread seem to be at least partly tongue-in-cheek, and I can see some humor being appropriate, but what I hope does not happen is people’s fears being ridiculed, or posts put up that demonstrate that those with fear of FE are stupid. I have seen many, particularly of the environmentalist bent, make articulate and not-easily dismissed arguments on why we should not have FE anytime soon. And I would like to see them put here. But the glaring misspellings in that post that Robert excerpted, and some of the author’s logic, could be used for the “the fearful are stupid” argument, like with the Teabonics phenomenon:

http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2010/03/the_10_funniest_teabonics_sign.php

http://www.flickr.com/photos/pargon/sets/72157623594187379/

I am not saying that the Tea Party is on the right track, and beauty queens taking it over is similar to how actors become politicians in the USA, but I really hope to engage the fear that people have about FE. Most of the fear is buried pretty deeply, and gets disguised as other things. Sometimes it bubbles to the top, and when it does, it can be very helpful to take a good look at it.

So, if that was a serious post, Robert, and the author wants to clean up the spelling, grammar and punctuation at a minimum, then I can see it being posted here.

Some of you have probably noticed me doing it, but I revise almost all of my posts at least once, as I find typos. I know that it is difficult to get the spelling, grammar and punctuation right the first time, especially if English is not your mother tongue. I hope that we can keep the quality of writing at a fairly high level. This is only a warm-up for that forum that I plan to eventually mount.

Best,

Wade

[Referee]

I have a Dream,

Maybe the US will attack Iran and I will be happy and proud to be a patriot and pay 10.00$ a gallon for gas and maybe I will drop to my knees and thank God that those PTWTB control my ability to get to work everyday. Maybe I will just live in my car and take showers in a truck stop. Maybe I will eat McDonald's 1.00 menu everyday and maybe.....

It is time Free Energy is given to the public it has been around for a long time wake up world! Like Alex Jones Says I am Sick of it. Stop trying to control my life so I can pay for you Castles and Yachts and take overs of Islands and country's. The world is for all of the creators spirits. Not for you and your cronies. Not for your personal indulgences. Free Energy Now!

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Hi All

My last post was intended to be serious. I am far from making jokes of fear. The Fear is something very real to the person experiencing it.
Try to convince little child that there are no monsters under the bed. Good luck with that. We “fight” monsters almost every night in my home :( Including last night... My advice if I may is: if you go with usual "there are no monsters Dear" you literary make the child feel incompetent and not trusted. The only way is to admit there are monsters under the bed and that you will take care of them together.

And must confess that while composing my last post I had to interrupt it several times (monsters took us by surprise :( ). It took me 3 hours to complete it! Maybe it was a sign not to post at all...

I admit to skip the spell check and have no excuse. I am sorry for your discomfort while reading my last post. Attempted to fix some errors. Probably not all of them... I just can't see them with my Polish eyes…

[jcocks]

Hi All

My last post was intended to be serious. I am far from making jokes of fear. The Fear is something very real to the person experiencing it.
Try to convince little child that there are no monsters under the bed. Good luck with that. We “fight” monsters almost every night in my home :( Including last night... My advice if I may is: if you go with usual "there are no monsters Dear" you literary make the child feel incompetent and not trusted. The only way is to admit there are monsters under the bed and that you will take care of them together.

And must confess that while composing my last post I had to interrupt it several times (monsters took us by surprise :( ). It took me 3 hours to complete it! Maybe it was a sign not to post at all...

I admit to skip the spell check and have no excuse. I am sorry for your discomfort while reading my last post. Attempted to fix some errors. Probably not all of them... I just can't see them with my Polish eyes…

That's perfectly understandable - I've been there myself, with 3 kids......

IMHO, most of the fears related to FE are, when we honestly look at them, irrational - and I wonder if any of the fears would translate to reality if we were to get FE...

Also, regarding the weaponization of FE and it's use to strip-mine the planet..... I would be very surprised if TPTW aren't already doing these things..... And they haven't destroyed the planet yet. I think we can safely say that if we had FE, we wouldnt knowingly wreck our own home with it. There are those out there who would be that stupid, but they'd be vastly outnumbered by those who aren't :)

[Wade Frazier]

Robert, that was not your post that you were reproducing, was it? I did not mean that you were not serious in posting it, but what I read of that post almost seemed sardonic. I would be surprised if you were its author. Sometimes, people go over-the-top to make a point, so it can be hard to tell if they are serious. I was just stating that people with fear of FE should be addressed seriously, and yes, Jcocks, part of the purpose is for the fearful to see that their fears are largely irrational (or based on false or questionable premises, as Gardener pointed out in her post).

Yes, the worst elements of humanity already have FE and other technologies, and they use them for evil purposes. That is Greer’s response to people who fear FE because it may fall in the wrong hands. It is already in the wrong hands:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#divine

Gotta run off to work now,

Wade

[amadeus]

Hi All

My last post was intended to be serious. I am far from making jokes of fear. The Fear is something very real to the person experiencing it.
Try to convince little child that there are no monsters under the bed. Good luck with that. We “fight” monsters almost every night in my home :( Including last night... My advice if I may is: if you go with usual "there are no monsters Dear" you literary make the child feel incompetent and not trusted. The only way is to admit there are monsters under the bed and that you will take care of them together.

And must confess that while composing my last post I had to interrupt it several times (monsters took us by surprise :( ). It took me 3 hours to complete it! Maybe it was a sign not to post at all...

I admit to skip the spell check and have no excuse. I am sorry for your discomfort while reading my last post. Attempted to fix some errors. Probably not all of them... I just can't see them with my Polish eyes…

correct and is the mechanism utilized to resolve this and related "blockages"

[amadeus]

All societies are structured thus function upon original belief of the structure hence nature of god.
The structure of our universe, as now known, alters every belief we possessed in god
Free energy as in: how does it work, compels confession of the above by the same authorities that enforce gods will (law) within all societies.

the reason:

Perhaps the most accomplished analyst of mythology in modern times was the late Mircea Eliade, chairman of the Department of History of Religions at the University of Chicago, and editor of the Encyclopedia of Religion. From his meticulous, lifelong survey of the subject, professor Eliade drew a stunning conclusion: literally every component of early civilizations--from religion to art and architecture--expressed symbolically the desire to recover and to re-live the lost Golden Age. That which symbolically transported the participant back to the First Time, the Golden Age, was sacred. That which did not was transient and mundane, of no interest.

this archetypal guidance of human societies predates our young abrahamic beliefs by countless thousands of years

[Gardener]

Hm...Here is a fear I have. I fear placing too much of the emotional 'me' in the public domain for fear of personal attack not from friends peers or family or neighbours though all these have played a role at times, whilst I can fly beneath the radar without too many of my weak spots made available to be utilised, then I can continue until I gain more experience. I can already feel that a chunk of the above has several red herrings not least of which is a fear of being criticised, also it is a bit on the lazy side. To be heard and validated as Robert says is of vital importance for anyone and especially for children.

The second part of this fear is less easy to explain, here I go... The 'matrix' has a status-quo which leaves one alone if it does not sense any ripples. Leaving aside people in the general sense, the general law of the matrix can utilise any non aware person to act against another, as an attack vector. This zero sum game we are in throws up equal measures of positive and negative occurences. But once a person enters the 'forest perrilous' to use another myth as a metaphor, and makes a conscious decision to awaken and become outside of the general law, (and clean up the unconscious) the matrix moves into operation. I am kinda scared of this aspect. I know very little about who I am in 'really', I only know who I think I am.

I can say that consciously I have no fear of FE, I think the roller coaster over the weekend was more a wrenching from what I could and 'should' be doing personally as oppose to what I am or am not doing. Ok the 'should' is a bit questionable it could be an interject.

[Gardener]

I so agree with you here, I am familiar with the writer, and yes the recent 'religions' are mere shadows written on the wall by comparison. Non the less have had a powerful effect on society. I have no real evidence of previous civilisations but there are many ancient oral traditions which point in that direction. This may be a bit off topic but it IS related.

g


Amadeus said:
the reason:

Perhaps the most accomplished analyst of mythology in modern times was the late Mircea Eliade, chairman of the Department of History of Religions at the University of Chicago, and editor of the Encyclopedia of Religion. From his meticulous, lifelong survey of the subject, professor Eliade drew a stunning conclusion: literally every component of early civilizations--from religion to art and architecture--expressed symbolically the desire to recover and to re-live the lost Golden Age. That which symbolically transported the participant back to the First Time, the Golden Age, was sacred. That which did not was transient and mundane, of no interest.

this archetypal guidance of human societies predates our young abrahamic beliefs by countless thousands of years

[ulli]

The step to Free Energy can be likened to the steps humanity took from candlelight, or oil lamps, to gas light, then electricity.
Whether the duality aspect of this planet will totally disappear is debatable,
but I believe the extremes we are seeing now will be diminished.

As long as we have diversity we will have a spectrum, with opposite poles.
(Hmmm...funny, Robert being a Pole)
But we are on the way, nothing can stop us now. We just have to love those Poles.

[amadeus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Cq475b-rTg

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

I take full responsibility of the authorship of my "fear" post. It may seem unbelievable but in some exaggerated way it describes me. Three years ago I was not able to imagine that part of FE where we all co-exist peacefully, have not to go to "work" or not use money... I felt uneasy about that "free" part... I look back at old me in disbelief...

[nearing]

I'd like to know what to say to a person who thinks that we shouldn't let the public have 'free energy' because humans can't be trusted not to use it to pillage the Earth.

I see that that the forms of energy we use now are BY FAR the biggest polluters of the planet. But these people think that every single person would want to use the 'FE' to mass consume more and more STUFF, thereby polluting with material waste.

I personally have more faith in humanity. Sure at first, people may start to want things, but I think that would soon wear thin as they realize that the things aren't making them happy.

Anyone else have an answer?

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello Nearing,

One of my concerns about free energy is somewhat similar to yours but instead of "stuff", free energy could be used to have "power over". So while still in this "I win you lose" or "might is right" paradigm, fee energy could be used as a tool to get power over other people.

That being said this has probably happened already. The GC have this tech and keep it for themselves, because if we would have it too, it would quickly be game over :).

[Wade Frazier]

Hi all:

Those good posts are bringing up more than I can respond to right now. Sorry about that. I am working the killer hours right now. I could have long discussions about Greer, Bearden, Brian, Adam and so on. The Godzilla reality that Greer describes I believe is accurate in great measure. A lot of what Greer, Bearden, and Adam have described lines up with my experiences and those around me. It is part of the conundrum.

I warn people about chatting up friends, family, and co-workers about FE:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#telling

I have watched friendships end, family members get estranged and careers end by playing that game. It is dangerous. Yes, Gardener, the “Matrix” reacts to anybody waking up. I saw that in my mystical days; when anybody committed to the spiritual path, all hell broke loose in their lives. Amp that reaction up by an order of magnitude or three, and you get an idea of what pursuing FE is like. Not for the timid, naïve newbies, inventors, capitalists, and so on. I watched “tough guys” crumble in seconds on the FE path, when the going got tough. Your fears are not unreasonable. Also, FE is not really about FE. :) FE really is about turning the corner and manifesting heaven on Earth, or blowing it up, and so on. Once people begin to glimpse it, everything that they thought was important in their lives begins to look pretty inconsequential. That is part of the peril, and that is a big reason why there is so much knee-jerk denial of FE. I have also seen people get swept away by the potential:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#grandeur

and so on. The advent of FE would be the biggest event in history, by far, and how each of us interfaces with it is part of the allure and peril. You really can’t go back to your “normal” life when you drink it in a little bit. That is part of the terrain, and the reactions you will get are anything but half-hearted. At some level, anybody who encounters it has some notion of what the issue’s magnitude is, however dimly they may perceive it.

I am going to be trying to help people go deep, and for those who get there, there is not going to be any chatting up people on the street about FE. You can’t get there in chats, or even really begin. For instance, the objection of we would just make more stuff and turn Earth into an episode of Wall-E evidences the TV-watcher level of awareness. All metals are already recycled, and always have been, and FE means no more waste, because everything can easily be recycled. When people make objections like that, they are projecting all sorts of assumptions onto the situation that FE makes obsolete. There is nothing wrong with “stuff.” One fair-sized asteroid can provide all the “stuff” that humanity could ever wish for, and nothing on Earth would be harmed to get it, and that is just one way to do it. Again, that is not a ten minute conversation. I deal with aspects of it in my work:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#can1

but plan to do it far more in my upcoming essay.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm

Well, Robert, call me surprised. If you want to post something from the “old you,” you are welcome to, but it is almost a straw man exercise, is it not? :) You can rebut where that old you was coming from, I think. Many negative assumptions girded those musings, as you know. All logical arguments proceed from their assumptions.

Yes, Ilie, as you know, the Big Boys don’t want that one to happen, because their game would quickly end. Everybody who plays at the high levels and interacts a little with the Big Boys understands that.

Gotta go.

Best,

Wade

[Referee]

Do you honestly think the US Military dose not utilize free energy?!?

[jcocks]

Think deeper than the US military (Well it's quite possible they utilise some aspects of free energy and aren't even aware of it! It's possible that even we may be utilizing alien technology in our computers, phones, etc.. and not be the slightest bit aware of it!)

[Buck]

If we were all angels without killer instinct there would be no way anybody could be tricked into joining military or sending soldiers abroad...

How often can you hear somebody shouting I'll kill you!" in anger? How often have you seen children playing with toy guns (nerf, waterguns, airguns, storm trooper's blasters etc.) aim at each other and pulling triggers? How often have you seen people playing paintball? Untill we won't stop this hidden "trigger pulling" conditioning we are not going to use FE. Last thing. Why on Earth most promoted kids movies are always about neverending violent fight for peace? Can't you see a pattern unfolding into adulthood here? We let our governments (OUR employees!) send soldiers to "fight for peace" (and oil) or "fight terror" (with terror)...

If it is not real killer instinct then it is that military conditioning that makes us easy prey for manipulators... This anger path is more obvious more accesible more instinctive more automatic than lambs path... Oh what a softie i am...

well lets disect your examples:

I think you'll find you agree with me, but perhaps haven't explored it fully.

lets change your last statement around a bit. it's not JUST military conditioning, as you said, children are doing this, we are conditioned to do this from day ONE! and its MOSTLY about duality; it all comes down to duality.

Us vrs them etc.. this is the root of it all, if you notice, no games played in school are "inclusive" they are alway EXCLUSIVE, two teams, 1 winner, 1 looser, (we'll skip ties for now). now expand this duality indoctrination to an entire life (or at least the MOST IMPORTANT YEARS of life) and you'll see why its so easy to "trick" us into betraying our nature. its furhtered in later life through orginised sports, elections, anything on TV etc.. duality is pushed at us ALL THE TIME, police in the US use RED and BLUE lights (perfect example of duality for many reasons) and ever notice that the red flashes on one side then the blue on the other (and the other way around).. police and military are the peak expression of duality.
(for an exelent explination of why this happens, watch this AMAZING presentation from the 2011 freeyourmind conference: http://freeviewdocumentaries.com/2011/06/15/free-your-mind-conference-mark-passio/ )

this is a system that has been in place for a long time because it works so well, when we are not at peace with ourselfs, when we are constantly in a dualistic state, we are EASILY lead through logical fallacies to one conclusion or another, then you simply put someone in a state of fear (easy when your being shot at or, "PSYCed" up via speach) and let the fight, flight or freeze take over (thats why there's so few "trigger pullers" not many are "fighters" most are flight / freeze).

Does this make sense?

My ultimate point here is that people are not expressing themselfs as people, they are expressing themselfs as extreme conflict in everyway, duality at its finnest & THAT is what we must end. so really I'm arguing semantecs with you, you say killer instincts, I say dualistic indoctronation; but my concept is a learned behavior, yours seems to be an inherent one (and I do disagree with that).

if nothing else we can agree to disagree, but give what I've written some thought; it may help you raise your spirits about humanity; it wont be easy, but IT IS possible to change!

this is all slightly OT, yet not really I supose, we are discussing why to not be (or be) afraid of "free" energy.


Hey TargeT this is great- so clear, well said! The perspective of duality and conflict is so deeply rooted in us, ingrained, deliberately reinforced over and over again in every possible way imaginable. It is one of the more powerful falsehoods that blind us to the true potential in every moment. And as such, it is relevant in this thread- by extension, what force is necessary to overcome to bring free energy into our collective awareness? Fear. Fear and ignorance of our true potential.

[Buck]

my fear is I post off topic on the wrong thread and suffer the wrath of Ilie :)

[noxon medem]

- so

If there is a way ( here )
This is not hell .
( would be good to get that cleared up ..)

:fish2:

[noxon medem]

..
-

On one occation
- my father said :

There is no such thing as a free lunch .

Never understood what he ment by that .
I have and give "free lunches" most days .
Around here that is The Way .
(what goes around , comes around )

A story
( ergo a fabrication , or a lie if you will .. : )


Yesterday the only thing I ate was an apple ,
free from my local nature , cultivated ...

By practical and energetic people wanting to do ....
- and plenty of clean spring water .....

Again , All Well .


:fish2:

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

It is not Heaven either... It is up to us if it will become. If we choose to shed our old skin of fear, it will. But i agree that i don't feel like being in hell. But we better ask others. Not so fortunate as we are...

[amadeus]

- so

If there is a way ( here )
This is not hell .
( would be good to get that cleared up ..)

:fish2:


Free energy exists because of the structure and function of our universe. Now our awareness is focused on it`s actual structure previously unimagined processes are known to be in operation


Last year, when NASA's IBEX (Interstellar Boundary Explorer) spacecraft discovered a giant ribbon at the edge of the solar system, researchers were mystified. They called it a "shocking result" and puzzled over its origin. Now the mystery may have been solved.
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2010/15jan_ibex2/

Russia in the 1990`s said this:


Current PlanetoPhysical alterations of the Earth are becoming irreversible. Strong evidence exists that these transformations are being caused by highly charged material and energetic non-uniformity's in anisotropic interstellar space which have broken into the interplanetary area of our Solar System. This "donation" of energy is producing hybrid processes and excited energy states in all planets, as well as the Sun.
http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/global/planetophysical.html

Los Alamos says denser plasma is entering our heliosphere


•Gravity was the focus of 20th century astronomy

•For the 21st century, it will be electromagnetism and plasmas in addition

•This forthcoming scientific revolution is presaged by the rapid pace of discoveries about our own star, the Sun, and its total plasma environment, and discoveries about the nature of the interstellar medium.

•In volume, 99.999% of all the observable matter in the universe exists in the plasma state. This had led to the coinage of the term "Plasma Universe."
http://plasmauniverse.info/nature.universe.html

The effect is increased charge within our atmosphere:


How would we describe a force, equal to 121 million billion billion billion billion newton, that drives each quanta of space-time and mediates each of the forces that holds the Universe together? The Gforce is omniscient in that it is enormously powerful and encompasses the entire physical Universe. The Gforce is non-material in nature, and yet gives rise to all physical existence. The Gforce produces the space-time (Aether) in which we live. Further evidence gathered from the neurosciences show that conductance is a direct measurement of emotions, and conductance is also shown to be a quality of the Aether. Thus there is a physics link to suggest the Aether is involved with certain aspects of mind, if not all aspects of mind.
http://www.16pi2.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=80&Itemid=100

Thus we are being naturally forced to confront our emotional issues regarding this topic and it`s consequences

[amadeus]

If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe.
— Nikola Tesla


In 1963, Walter Cronkite in the national television evening news, commenting on Dr. Walter Russell's death, referred to him as "... the Leonardo da Vinci of our time


In less time than it takes to put it into words, I knew all there was to know of the CAUSE of all effect, for there was very little to know.--Walter Russell
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Russell


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzfgq1zv8jg

[amadeus]

it is manifesting naturally


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsPrudLFGZk

as it must
the vortice is the prime archetype of our universe


All physical existences are weaved in vortical motion; nothing physical in nature is not vortical.
http://uvs-model.com/index.htm

[CdnSirian]

So called free energy still comes with a grave price. Imagine a similar scenario; 100 million brand new cars suddenly are given away-totally free- no tricks PLUS an unlimited supply of fuel forever! After one week, my guess is every road and highway would be gridlocked. The parralell is in fact very similar, but goes on to be even worse. Free energy means free unlimited electrcity. Now, if we did the same thing with electrcity as we did with the cars, we can only speculate on the explosion of electrical machines that would be used, with impunity. No-one would need to 'turn lights off' turn the heating down or regulate any energy expenditure. The environmental pollution backlash would be devastating.

It's the kid in a sweetshop when rich daddy is paying syndrome. How on earth you regulate the 'greed factor' Think about this carefully; no matter how wonderful the idea of 'free energy ' is, are we as a species responsible and mature enough to deal with the greed and excess that this would produce?

Hi 1159. You have presented a huge picture here, and my first response is to say perhaps human beings, once the fact of an easier future sinks in, could be capable of designing/converting public transit systems that people will actually prefer to use. In my city, if the transit system was halfway decent (and safer) I would never take my car to work. Also, just as an example, businesses might opt to provide shuttles from pick-up points for their own employees, these being armchair type of equipped mini-buses where people can read, work on their computers, and other wise function in productive manners. Or, property tax credits could be issued for car pooling, etc. etc. I would love some city designers to read your post and get off and running with inspiration, knowing that energy would not be a problem.

[CdnSirian]

While the energy field that we would tap into would not be infinite per se, for all intents and purposes it would be infinite due to the sheer amount of it available to draw from within the field. My gut tells me that there is that much energy there that we could draw all the energy we could ever need from the field and the effect would be so miniscule on the other side that it would consume more energy to replace that energy than to just let it be. The universe would not make that energy available if it were to endanger its' existance. Besides, what's not to say that we don't put energy back into the field unknowingly?

As for the "divine intention" bit - LIE, big fat f'in LIE. It's just shocking how big the lie is - it's massive. They even LIE to us about our own nature - tell us we're brutes, that we're not worthy.

LIE

And we believe it.

Once we stop believing the LIE - and that is coming - the transformation we will undergo will be massive. Much larger than mere free energy. We have no idea - because the lie extends beyond our own confines, beyond this little planet we call earth, beyond this little slice of reality we call the third dimension. It's so big. Yet it's unbelievably flimsy. All that needs to happen is for enough of us to truly, in our own hearts, stop believing the lie and peel back the conditioning, and it will literally fall away.

My belief is that there will be events that will soon occur that will expose a lot of this for all to see very easily - without the interferance of TPTW in the process, but it will still be up to all of us individually to decide if we want to acknowledge what is shown.

Hi jcocks. I agree the lie is so overwhelming it's hard to experience relief when it registers. The conditioning feels like layers of cement. I use EFT Emotional Freedom Technique (on youtube everywhere) and it helps lighten things up.

[amadeus]

Related:

While we experienced the effects of our solar systems immersion into the highly charged, magnetised, dusty plasma cloud named "fluffy", in the latter part of the 1800`s, a marked increase in humans contact with non human intelligence was observed as well as fluctuations of our sun, which the Carrington effect Solar Storm of 1859 was the most notable.
Tesla, Crowley, Steiner, Russell, Blavatsky, Jung are some of the high profile examples of the epidemic of esoteric experience rampant within the dominant Abrahamic technological cultures of the West.

THE 19TH CENTURY SPIRITUALIST
AND OCCULT REVIVAL
in England and Europe
http://blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/sprtrviv.htm

Germany progressed non human communication and translation further than other nations in the 1930`s to 1945.

In 1945 USA and UK were aware of the following.

1) The information being received was accurate in the nature of it`s physics but because the physics were unlike anything humans had imagined our universe was comprised of, awareness of these physics transformed what humans are.

Awareness made it impossible to accept previous human formed lifestyles and beliefs.

2) Awareness of any part of this information received prompted what became known as "non local conscious" to engage and awareness increased via synchronicity , expressed as instant knowing, following experience of related events.

In other words the person began to think, express , anticipate and expect differently.

3) Because the information originates from intelligences which experience the same environment as ourselves, in a manner that is unimaginable, we can not imagine the lifestyle that the information we receive forms.

Hence we can not know our future.

We can only know it is not what we once imagined.

To address this the following steps were taken .

The Office of Strategic Services (OSS) was utilized and expanded globally in the form of the CIA to locate and observe world wide, individuals receiving communication and expressing non local conscious (information they could not know)

Their information was given to The Armed Forces Security Agency (AFSA], later to be known as the NSA, for translation and projection of outcome.

By the late 60`s it was considered "safe" to plan a global communications system, accessible to all, which in it`self ,acted as the interface for incoming non human information and it`s expression including, the synchronization of non local conscious effects.that result.

This is the simple outline to the complex situation we are now within

[ThePythonicCow]

The effect is increased charge within our atmosphere:


How would we describe a force, equal to 121 million billion billion billion billion newton, that drives each quanta of space-time and mediates each of the forces that holds the Universe together? The Gforce is omniscient in that it is enormously powerful and encompasses the entire physical Universe. The Gforce is non-material in nature, and yet gives rise to all physical existence. The Gforce produces the space-time (Aether) in which we live. Further evidence gathered from the neurosciences show that conductance is a direct measurement of emotions, and conductance is also shown to be a quality of the Aether. Thus there is a physics link to suggest the Aether is involved with certain aspects of mind, if not all aspects of mind.
http://www.16pi2.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=80&Itemid=100

Thus we are being naturally forced to confront our emotional issues regarding this topic and it`s consequences
The paper linked here, at www.16pi2.com, is essentially unreadable now, because the equations were in the form of images, but that website no longer has those images.

You can find a presentation of what I guess is the same theory, the Aether Physics Model, with equations still showing, at http://peswiki.com/index.php/Paper:A_New_Foundation_for_Physics%2C_by_Quantum_AetherDynamics_Institute

What I've seen in my first few minutes skimming this is setting of my "sounds dubious" alarms ... but I cannot honestly say I've made head nor tail of it yet.

In any case, the theory presented by the portion I quoted above seems to be an entirely different theory of fundamental physics.

[amadeus]

The effect is increased charge within our atmosphere:


How would we describe a force, equal to 121 million billion billion billion billion newton, that drives each quanta of space-time and mediates each of the forces that holds the Universe together? The Gforce is omniscient in that it is enormously powerful and encompasses the entire physical Universe. The Gforce is non-material in nature, and yet gives rise to all physical existence. The Gforce produces the space-time (Aether) in which we live. Further evidence gathered from the neurosciences show that conductance is a direct measurement of emotions, and conductance is also shown to be a quality of the Aether. Thus there is a physics link to suggest the Aether is involved with certain aspects of mind, if not all aspects of mind.
http://www.16pi2.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=80&Itemid=100

Thus we are being naturally forced to confront our emotional issues regarding this topic and it`s consequences
The paper linked here, at www.16pi2.com, is essentially unreadable now, because the equations were in the form of images, but that website no longer has those images.

You can find a presentation of what I guess is the same theory, the Aether Physics Model, with equations still showing, at http://peswiki.com/index.php/Paper:A_New_Foundation_for_Physics%2C_by_Quantum_AetherDynamics_Institute

What I've seen in my first few minutes skimming this is setting of my "sounds dubious" alarms ... but I cannot honestly say I've made head nor tail of it yet.

In any case, the theory presented by the portion I quoted above seems to be an entirely different theory of fundamental physics.

Hi paul, link works fine for me

Why use the word dubious when you say you can not make head not tail of what you describe as dubious?

[ThePythonicCow]

Hi paul, link works fine for me
Oh - yes - the link works - but what is at that link is in good part unreadable, for lack of the equations. Just the Equation Numbers 1.1 through 1.9, and surrounding text, appear now.


Why use the word dubious when you say you can not make head not tail of what you describe as dubious?
Such is not an uncommon reaction for people. Some new fancy sounding theory is presented to them ... the specifics and details of the theory don't make sense ... but the claims (such as proving the existence of God, in the case of this theory) and manner of presenting the theory look dubious.

Clearly I am not making any grand claims of deep or worthy analysis of that theory ... I readily state that I just saw it and don't understand it. But my initial reaction (people do have initial reactions!) is quite skeptical.

Have you read and understood that theory? Do you recommend it? From what I can tell it is quite out of place with what else is in the above posts.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Please stop it right now guys :) Let us keep focused on topic :) Thank you :)
This thread is intended for discussing arguments against use of FE. Propositions
on how to deal with fear of FE fit here as well. But i have doubts about elaborating
on science behind FE in THIS thread. It is a little diluting and exhausting...

I think that somebody who is afraid of ghosts cares not about how a ghost "works" or how it can manifest itself in physical plane. She/he is afraid of WHAT a ghost can do to her/him. And does not argue if it is real. IT IS period. Same for FE.

I hope you agree with me... But if i am wrong (or proping another strawman) i will back off on the above statement. I really think we discuss some grave problem here...

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Robert:

What you did was very appropriate. The thread was really getting off track. I am glad that you and Paul said something. I don’t want to be the thread cop if I can avoid it. I also began a FE physics thread a while back.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14129-Free-Energy-Physics&p=138564&viewfull=1#post138564

FE physics is a fine subject, but it isn’t for everybody.

Best,

Wade

[sygh]

Get rid of TPTW.

Isn't it also possible the PTB/W fear this as well? Have you ever purposely had a weapon in your house and wondered if you were able enough to use it on an intruder, should your family, or your own person be threatened? There's is always the possibility the intruder will take your weapon from you and use it against you. It seems to me now that the PTB are always the one's holding the hilt. The King is dead; long live the King.

[Mad Hatter]

Well to add to my original list of things that could potentially happen...

Zero point energy, anti gravity, frequency based medicine, matter from energy replicators etc. how about if we consider the current state of mind control tech.

This could swiftly be adjusted for Matrix style education. A direct dump of Encyclopedia Brittanica into your head in under 5 seconds!!

Think about it... might go a long way to overcoming the fear factor and if we started with this the rest would surely flow on automagically. ;)

On the other side of the fear is all this potential and I refuse to believe the human spirit has been crushed to the extent that we have no dreamers left, well maybe one, but that one would like to remind the rest of you of an old old saying... 'The only thing to fear is fear itself'.

Ok maybe that is a little trite but like many others I have for a long time recognised that the problem has nothing to do with the availability of technology. The issue is the same one that sees children going to bed hungry at night. ie It is socio / political and sure it sucks.

What concerns me is how hard is it going to have to get for the masses before we see the end of the 'I'm alright jack' and NIMBY (Not In My Backyard) thinking.

PS How often will this message need repeating in all it's various forms ???


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxlE7yCSHAM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxlE7yCSHAM&feature=related

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Sygh:

Almost TPTB’s entire bag is fear. Dark pathers dominate their ranks:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#serving

They are hooked on their “power,” and what is more powerful than FE, in their eyes? I think that they are addicted to power, and they fear losing that above all else. That is the peril of their approach. I actually feel sorry for them. They are stuck in one of the deepest, most seductive traps that exist. There are some “white hats” in their ranks too:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground

But I have said I am not sure how white their hats really are. A lot of it is looking white in contrast to the black, when it is really a shade of gray, and probably a dark shade at that.

Yes, when your whole approach is fear-based, you have almost infinite opportunities for fear to grip you. It is a spiral that ends up crashing into the basement.

I hope that they are redeemed in the end, and if they do not learn to let go soon, they are going to find the ride is like riding the proverbial tiger, but it probably already feels like it to them, which is why so many of them “want out,” so to speak:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/journey.htm#cabal

It is part of the conundrum.

Best,

Wade

[amadeus]

Hi paul, link works fine for me
Oh - yes - the link works - but what is at that link is in good part unreadable, for lack of the equations. Just the Equation Numbers 1.1 through 1.9, and surrounding text, appear now.


Why use the word dubious when you say you can not make head not tail of what you describe as dubious?
Such is not an uncommon reaction for people. Some new fancy sounding theory is presented to them ... the specifics and details of the theory don't make sense ... but the claims (such as proving the existence of God, in the case of this theory) and manner of presenting the theory look dubious.

Clearly I am not making any grand claims of deep or worthy analysis of that theory ... I readily state that I just saw it and don't understand it. But my initial reaction (people do have initial reactions!) is quite skeptical.

Have you read and understood that theory? Do you recommend it? From what I can tell it is quite out of place with what else is in the above posts.

oh
thanks for explaining, my reaction was the link of dubious and administrator = influence

nothing more :cool:

i do know the authors pretty well , some of "my guys" boffins, assisted it`s formation 2007 to 2010
if you open the site up at it`s beginning you discover it is a walk through of 21 st century physics/cosmology which our authorities wrestle to form into our way of lifestyle as we talk

Einstein on aether


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH9vAIdMqng

[amadeus]

Hi Robert:

What you did was very appropriate. The thread was really getting off track. I am glad that you and Paul said something. I don’t want to be the thread cop if I can avoid it. I also began a FE physics thread a while back.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14129-Free-Energy-Physics&p=138564&viewfull=1#post138564

FE physics is a fine subject, but it isn’t for everybody.

Best,

Wade

oh

i get your point i think
your thread is only concerned with the emotional reasons free energy can never be distributed

correct?

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Amadeus:

This thread has a long genesis. My work deals with many facets of the FE conundrum, and fear dominates them. In fact, fear is behind Levels 1 to 10, in one way or another:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level1

my initial Avalon thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet

was initially pulled in all sorts of directions, before it began to settle down with some focus. Eventually, Ilie created a more specialized thread on what would become obsolete in an FE-based world:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29372-What-technologies-activities-or-concepts-will-be-made-obsolete-by-Free-Energy

Then TelosianEmbrace created one just for positive visions:

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32399-A-Future-Earth

and then Robert created a couple more, devoted to transition plans to FE:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32475-Free-Energy-Transition-plans-for-Earth

and to deal with fears of FE, which is this thread.

They were all following my suggestions, and all have my blessings. There are many technical types at Avalon, and I started a thread so that they could discuss FE physics:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14129-Free-Energy-Physics&p=138564&viewfull=1#post138564

It can be a worthy discussion, and there is plenty of room for Einstein and his ether, Tesla, Bohm, and so on. Brian O’Leary tried to make FE scientifically respectable. I came from the activist side of the house that said, “I don’t care what the theories are, FE technology exists”:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground

Brian seemed to think that we worked as a team:

http://newenergymovement.org/arpa_e_concept_paper.pdf

We were going to do more stuff, around my principles for making FE happen:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#pursuing

just before he died. FE physics is a highly worthy subject, but in my work, I will not get into it much further than you see Adam doing in Thrive:

http://thrivemovement.com/

A torus diagram is about all that the layperson needs to know about FE physics. The “ether” exists, and most FE devices are about tapping its infinite energy. While many make FE-physics-related comments at Avalon, nobody has picked up the ball yet with that FE physics thread.

Best,

Wade

[Gardener]

Hey Amadeus

It is a common occurence 'tactic' for important threads to be derailed, either with or without intent, trolling is a popular method which simply doesn't work here, so derailment is more favoured. So roll with it, we are merely keeping this train on the tracks. Your astute and knowedgable mind can surely contribute much, how about sharing what your fears or objections might be, or what you see could happen in a negative way surrounding the subject.

g



Hi Robert:

What you did was very appropriate. The thread was really getting off track. I am glad that you and Paul said something. I don’t want to be the thread cop if I can avoid it. I also began a FE physics thread a while back.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14129-Free-Energy-Physics&p=138564&viewfull=1#post138564

FE physics is a fine subject, but it isn’t for everybody.

Best,

Wade

oh

i get your point i think
your thread is only concerned with the emotional reasons free energy can never be distributed

correct?

[amadeus]

yes i noticed your awareness wade and i am impressed
let me get into your flow and hopefully i may be useful
thanks for the background
will read before i post :cool:

[Wade Frazier]

Happy reading Amadeus. I am sure that you can make good contributions to the threads.

Best,

Wade

[Gardener]

Oh MAN, my life is in chaos, I spend so much time reflecting about what you guys are saying I am getting nothing done! How can I fit into what is left of my existence, all that is coming up here AND do the ironing; the cleaning; work the garden; feed the chickens; cook meals; stay up all night to listen to excellent interviews (here (http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/Archive/adam-trombly-thrive-movie-starchild-program-zero-point-energy-part-1.html)) o and work sometimes.

Life could be so much simpler!

I am not going to go there, but it is where I want to go sometimes especially when I feel the effects of age and gravity combined. :frusty:

Ok rant over back to ironing.......................
g

Edit:This post is somewhat tongue in cheek but it is real for me and maybe it is so for others.

[amadeus]

Happy reading Amadeus. I am sure that you can make good contributions to the threads.

Best,

Wade

you felt familiar and i complement your comprehensive awareness of topic (s)
i had already utilized off line your energetic prompts (this thread) and confirm material effects manifesting in the direction i am certain meet with your approval
very nice to know you directly
thank you :cool:

[amadeus]

Happy reading Amadeus. I am sure that you can make good contributions to the threads.

Best,

Wade

you felt familiar and i complement your comprehensive awareness of topic (s)
i had already utilized off line your energetic prompts (this thread) and confirm material effects manifesting in the direction i am certain meet with your approval
very nice to know you directly
thank you :cool:

oh

what i am utilizing is the archetype mara ( fear)
that was the prompt you provided

[CdnSirian]

Hi Gardener. Have appreciated all your posts. Nothing enlightening to say to this one except--I get it! The only thing I have learned how to do is to simply acknowledge "O.K., I don't want THIS, so what do I want?" And activate the imagination. Not easy all the time, but works. Love your garden!

[Ernie Nemeth]

Very eye-opening, indeed.
This thread is three times the length of the positive visions thread. Now I understand how my frustrations at no one contributing or expanding on my vision threads, or any of the other posts I have made, in an effort to start an intelligent conversation on this topic. I often make this mistake. I believe others can stay on track, remain open and feel the gist of a line of inquiry - even when it opposes their own views.
Sadly, this is not the case.
I have months ago voiced my negative thoughts in this regard without a single comment being offered in reply. My Joe Blow posts in particular were for the express intention of starting just this topic of conversation. I was met with stark silence and shock.

Beyond that, I can only say that I am far beyond the fear of FE. Just as I am beyond the fear of The Most High. I fear this world and where this world is heading. That's what I fear. And I fear that the ignorance of the masses will prevail - that I fear above all else.

Free Energy is not free unless we are free. And to understand what that means is to have developed an intimate connection to freedom itself. Before that can be achieved, a definition of freedom must be derived from personal searching, not by looking it up in a dictionary or by listening to someone else's notions about it.

Lastly, in this world there is no space left for silence. The human brain has been conditioned to question, seek, then answer - as if the answer was some place other than where the question was posed. Thoughts scurry around in our minds and fill every moment, every experience, every emotion. We have no space, no leeway, no way out. The answers we seek are in the silence, where the "I" dissolves and thoughts cease. There is only one relationship and it has no "I" in its perview. Understand but this and fear becomes impossible in any form.

Thank you.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

What will hapen if a mafia group (but not of government origin) will get its hand on FE technology? Will they be transformed by this technology in a positive way or will they abuse it for personal gain?

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Robert:

The people really running the show are not from the government. Government is just a tool that they use. The good stuff has been privatized, and is not in the hands of the world’s governments. One term that I have seen used for the Big Boys is “Highly Organized Crime.” They make the Mafia look like schoolboys. It does not look like they have been transformed by those technologies. I have heard “funny” stories, however, about how they have tried to subvert some of the ET technologies. The most advanced technologies are inherently benevolent, so the Big Boys have had a real problem making them work how they want them too. For instance, I once heard of one where a pilot can get into a certain cockpit, and in his hands is the power to vaporize a city. But what also comes with sitting in the cockpit is a loving awareness and some kind of instant enlightenment, so that the pilot acquires great power in the cockpit, but also he acquires the insight so that he would never use that power to harm anything. The Big Boys have tried all sorts of diabolical ways to overcome that failsafe, such as soul-erasure techniques to create the pilot who can use that technology as a weapon. I don’t think that they figured out how to do it yet. :)

The premise for Ender’s Game, where some children destroy a distant species but are deceived into thinking that they are playing a game, is not as fictional as some might think.

When Greer talks about the Big Boys, he won’t talk about a lot of what they do, because it would curl people’s hair to hear a fraction of it. The dark path is dark indeed, and they are running the show, although they are fractured these days.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/journey.htm#cabal

And they will not be defeated in battle, certainly not by the public. Love is the only antidote to the darkness, not battle. In our cowboy movie world, however, few want to hear that. But I am looking for those who do.

We will see.

Best,

Wade

[Fred Steeves]

And they will not be defeated in battle, certainly not by the public. Love is the only antidote to the darkness, not battle. In our cowboy movie world, however, few want to hear that. But I am looking for those who do.



Well put Wade, the usual "Thank You" below an appreciated post was insufficient in this case.

Cheers,
Fred

[CdnSirian]

Myself and some associates were envisioning Heaven On Earth thirty years ago. We couldn't imagine what is progressing now, at that time, as far as FE goes--yet we strongly felt the outcome. Nor did we know the details of the controlled illusion we lived in, though we sensed it, and that it was all encompassing. Eventually, the internet arrived and information began to circulate. While we charged at windmills for a few years, we gained experience and knowledge, and we lost in some areas, financially, career-wise and the like.

I recall that the Canadian Nam Jal Rimpoche published a small book, calling for a quantum jump by humanity. I see this coming to pass, and now the "lost years" take on a different, new significance.

Thanks all, it's a delight and a privilege to commune.:rapture:

(Wish I were more articulate and heart-felt sounding like many of you!).

[Wade Frazier]

Hi CdnSirian:

Yes, I think that we all have had “lost years” on this journey, but we were not as lost as it might have seemed. It is all part of the process. Waking up here is not easy. :)

Best,

Wade

[Elly]

I was wondering... with FE giving us the possibility to choose to live anywhere, how can the influx of people to a "desired area" such as a beachfront or a lakefront can be managed. Sometimes I feel I get it, and then other times, I feel like I just have no idea. :)

[CdnSirian]

I was wondering... with FE giving us the possibility to choose to live anywhere, how can the influx of people to a "desired area" such as a beachfront or a lakefront can be managed. Sometimes I feel I get it, and then other times, I feel like I just have no idea. :)

Hi Cara. I think that with FE, the pressure will go off so many aspects of living that it will simply make sense, and be comfortable, to share the "good stuff". Beach fronts, mountain views and all that. The existential angst will lift. The 20th Century flashes before me - the depression of a Jean Paul Sartre, the suicide of a Spaulding Grey, the drinking to death of a Jack Kerouac - to reflect on a few--

"If dogs run free, then why not me.." Bob Dylan. I'll skip the Leonard Cohen and Lou Reed lines that are flipping through my brain.;)

Your comment inspired a a rampage of associations--thanks!--With FE, I think we'll be all we can be! I know, sounds silly.:o

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Cara:

Like CdnSirian stated, the world will change very radically, and the thing that we have to be the most careful of is projecting our scarcity-based awareness onto the situation, and that scarcity-based perspective is baked so deeply that it is almost invisible, and that is why almost nobody on Earth today is even able to simply imagine abundance. All of today’s dominant ideologies are scarcity-based:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

and projecting their scarcity-based assumptions on onto FE one of the greatest pitfalls that I see with the “fear of FE” crowd:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level5

When you think of all the fearful outcomes, or everybody crowding onto the North Shore of Oahu or what have you, that is a very scarcity-based way of looking at it. When people talk of “good land,” if you think about what makes it “good,” it is almost always some energy/resource issue. With FE, the underlying assumptions simply evaporate. This is all part of the FE conundrum, and that is why threads like this:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29372-What-technologies-activities-or-concepts-will-be-made-obsolete-by-Free-Energy

are very good work, because they get people really thinking about how their world works, how energy scarcity shapes almost all aspects of our existences, and how energy abundance radically changes the game, in ways that can be hard to imagine. Population pressures are all about energy scarcity. There won’t be population pressures, or environmental pressures, in a world based on FE, especially if we are enlightened about it. And we probably can’t make FE happen unless we are enlightened, so what it takes to get there also ensures that we wisely handle it when it comes. That is a big reason why I advocate the lamb’s path.

Best,

Wade

[Elly]

I see how this will not be a problem when the perspective of all humanity changes from "self-serving" to "serving to the whole". But the transition phase worries me. It is doubtful that all individuals will switch at once from a scarcity-based paradigm to an abundance one. Wouldn't there be a period of conflicting views? I'm just presenting my fears here which are not the same as my heart's desires. :)

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello Cara,

I actually think that such a "switch" can happen :), in a matter of days. I believe that human nature is inherently good and loving, and living in abundance will let that nature shine.

The skeptics will quickly understand that their way of living is not serving them. You'd have to be pretty stubborn not to see how Free Energy is improving conditions around you, and to still insist on paying for it :biggrin:

There will be no "conflicting views" because you would need two opposing forces to have conflict. Those following the Free Energy path will not oppose those that choose to wait a while longer. They'll eventually come around once they see the advantages for themselves.

[zebowho]

Exactly Ilie, the transition will take care of itself, conflicting views and all. No need for "us to worry". Abundance is for you, its for me which = Us! Plus, I believe once this happens, where we've hit or surpassed the 8-10k choir (simply hits a tipping point), the transition will happen so fast that there will be no time to "think about it".

Everyone will have their own "beach" Cara. Some will call it a mountain, some will call it a desert, a forest or even a swamp and a beach too. The point is once this is moving there will be no stopping it and conflicting views will be quickly righted by this simple equation:

Do you intend - or - Do you Not intend.
to have good health
to be happy
to have abundant/healthy food
to have peace
to have sadness
to have anger
to have peace for your family/community/country etc.
to share insights
to share interests
to give love
to give compassion
to lend integrity
to heal yourself/others, the planet
to provide for other life
to provide for those that don't have yet
etc, etc!
We have the power to create from our intentions and I'm increasingly seeing that happen closer to real time as every day passes and that True freedom to create instantly will be accessible to all once FE is ushered in. Creation will become as an everyday human capacity as breathing and requiring nothing more than intent+imagination.

:D, apologies Robert, I guess this post isn't quite in line with the thread title but I had to post.

Chad

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Cara:

This is the thread for dealing with fears of FE, so you are doing it in the right place. You are dealing with facets of the conundrum, but the hard part is not everybody wanting to live on the same beach. The hard part is right now, when almost nobody can even imagine that FE exists and, more importantly, what can come with it.

Again, I am doing what I can to fertilize the ground for FE. If I can get that choir going, it can shape how FE happens, as well as catalyzing its appearance. I am not kidding. As I have said many times, average people will believe that FE is possible when it is delivered to their homes:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#machiavelli

That is why rushing out to tell your family and friends is such a loser right now. They are all asleep. If you are awake to this stuff, you are less than one-in-a-thousand in the general population. If you find a family member or friend who actually listens to FE talk, it almost certainly will not be because they groove to the idea, but because it is you saying it. Once you walk out of the room, the TV is turned back to Dancing with the Stars or a sporting event. And that is where they are today. That is never easy to accept, but it is the reality of the world that we live in.

However, and this is a big however, once FE is delivered to their homes, it is going to be a huge mind-boggler, and with efforts like the one I am planning to mount, people are going to quickly grasp that it is one heck of a lot bigger than not paying the local utility company or international oil company for their energy. I am reminded of when the Wright brothers first flew. They were not only ignored for five years by the world’s media, they were actively ridiculed:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#wright

When they flew in Paris in 1908, in their first large public demonstration, there was a gasp of amazement from the crowd as the plane took off. Nobody had to convince those people of the reality of manned flight anymore. The world became a lot smaller with man-powered flight.

I give a nod to transition fears in my work, such as that global peacekeeping force of grandmothers:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#weapons

The fears are not all unfounded, but people are so conditioned to live in fear that any potential change to their lives is met with fear. But when you really think about it, it is always a scarcity-based reaction. I have written it many times at Avalon; people have all carved out their little niche of hell, and all they can see that Heaven on Earth could bring them is the loss of their niche. It is tempting to call such reactions stupid, and stupidity is certainly part of it, but it is the same stupidity that believes that the invasion of Iraq was to liberate them, and so on. It is a willful stupidity. People buy the BS because it feeds them. Once people can see that there is no need to believe the self-serving lies anymore, I highly doubt that they will want to. In the end, it comes down to what we think human nature is. I have a higher opinion of it than the neo-Malthusians do:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm

Maybe they are right, but to turn their backs on FE because of their fears about it is one the most short-sighted perspectives that I have ever encountered, especially coming from such educated and even thoughtful people. It took me many years to see that they were addicted to scarcity, and Fuller’s work helped me see it more clearly:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm#fuller

Nobody can overestimate the impact of FE. The Big Boys know this well. That is why Dennis was offered a billion dollars to go away:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#offer

and almost nobody on Earth can even believe that people could be made offers like that, much less turn them down, such are humanity’s puny conceptions these days.

The world will change so radically that I can barely imagine what it will do, and I have been living with its potential for about half of my life. What I do know is this: almost every objection to FE that I have ever heard of is obviously projecting scarcity-based fears onto a situation of abundance. It is like debating the virtues of the various brands of buggy whips in about 1900, before cars came to dominate. The entire buggy-whip conversation faded to oblivion. Almost all of the fear of FE talk, and even the fear of the transition talk, would quickly evaporate. Will there be problems of implementation? Sure there will be, but they will be fun problems to solve. Here is a way to imagine it, a very real way.

Imagine that there are a hundred people in a community. There is enough food-growing capability to sustain seventy people at a comfortable dietary intake, or the hundred can all live around the starvation level. Similarly, the local resources can provide enough building materials to house fifty of them comfortably, but the hundred are almost sleeping on top of each other. In that world of not enough, there are going to be many restrictions, both culturally and baked into their “laws.” There will be disputes over who gets how much food, how much living space each person gets, and so on.

Then imagine that suddenly, one day, the ability appeared so that the local food supply could feed a thousand people, and whatever they wanted to eat, and the ability to comfortably house a thousand people appeared. How long do you think people would fight over who got the most food or the nicest dwelling? Ten minutes? A whole hour?

That is one of the things that FE would make very clear in the opening minutes of its reality. The really big transformations would be a ways down the road, but they would quickly be seen as feasible. Right now, energy scarcity makes almost all Utopian dreams a pointless fantasy. All imagined Utopias until now have been based on shared austerity. No wonder nobody wanted to sign up for them, or they proved unworkable. But a Utopia based on abundance…who would not sign up for it? The self-flagellators?

Anyway, be careful of projecting scarcity-based assumptions onto an abundance-based situation. I see it all the time, and I see it as the equivalent of arguing about buggy whips in an impending age of space ships.

As Chad says, don’t be worried about there only being so much beach. The ways that we look at what is desirable will change dramatically. We can make our paradises and take them with us, if we want. I can see floating islands with perfect reefs for the best surfing waves, if the surfers need to do that, and so on. Many of today’s sports would disappear, because they are based on competing and winning, which have deep historical roots in a world of scarcity. Competing to become the ultimate winner will be seen as silly before long.

Gotta go to work now.

Best,

Wade

[ulli]

Maybe a hundred years ago people who weren't yet connected to an electricity grid
also voiced objections and fears of getting those lights turned on.
My dad was a young farmer in the north of Germany when he got fed up
feeding one cow at a time... holding a storm lantern in one hand and the pitch fork with the hay in the other...
walking in the dark, and there it gets dark in the winter at around 4 pm....
And then one day, when the last cables had been installed, and the big moment came
SWITCH ON
and everything was illumined. All the cows...visible at once.
My jaw dropped as he told us kids the story.

[Butangeld]

Trouble with beach-front property is that it is sometimes cloudy. Once we live in a world finding itself with FE, then my time spent living on the beach-front would shortened by my new desire to firstly build and then live for a while on some new island floating in the sky.

It would be just above the clouds at all times. It would be cloud-front property. Although I doubt I'd actually want the burden of owning one.

My initial concern to FE was that we'd still only have so much land to go round. But then I thought, well we don't have to live on land with FE. Living on the land seems pedestrian to me when I can live in the sky.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Butangeld:

For what it is worth, I recall reading some channeled stuff long ago by some alleged ET where their civilization reached a stage where they all lived off-world, and the planet’s surface was essentially a big park. For all the immense damage that humanity has inflicted on the biosphere, it could use a rest from us. However, in this future Earth:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

they had a mutually beneficial relationship. I would like to spend a lifetime or ten living in a world like that. With FE and related anti-gravity and exotic materials technologies, all of the infrastructure to support humanity, and by that I mean to grow food, manufacture our material goods, and so on, does not need to happen on the thin layer of the biosphere. It can happen above ground, underground, floating on the water, underwater, in space, and so on. Nature can take back what is hers, and to the extent that we interact with nature, it is not a master-slave (or predator-prey) relationship, but one of cooperation and mutual appreciation and benefit. That world is not as far off as people might think. The more we can connect with our hearts, the quicker it will happen.

Best,

Wade

[Czarek]

In my opinion, access to Free Energy will happen; And when it will happen, it’ll be one home at a time. Give me the plans, and I’ll replicate it. And there are thousands more guys out there like me with access to some “serious tools”. Recently I’ve been giving it some thought as to how SHELL managed to get 1000 miles out of ONE gallon of gasoline in the 1970s. In the bloody ‘70s!!! Vapour injection is part of the answer... If we stop wasting our time and focus, dedicate our thinking, we can get there! One of the problems (and a major one) I see is that people are forced to focus on the bills. I don’t know any one (under 50) that can drop everything and spend ALL his/her time in the garage/shop to work on a project. (like say on Star Trek).
These Free Energy/ High MPG automobiles have been already invented. So why reinvent the wheel. Can we find those people? Can we create some sort of anonymous drop off “PO Box” for them? If I was one of the inventors that have been paid off by the oil company, and I’ve enjoyed my life, I’d do it.
Czarek

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Czarek:

I don’t try to keep up on it all that much; maybe the climate has changed “on the ground,” but I doubt it. One of the big names of FE survived a murder attempt last year, and received another death threat recently. It does not look like the Big Boys have dropped their guard (or the many lower-level predators who also know the name of the game). You can’t sneak past them. The tinkerer route has never come close to working. Yes, finding the time and money is part of the problem, but it is really only a small part. The Big Boys have global surveillance that is impressive to say the least, and in their bag of tricks is a finely honed assortment of tools that they have been developing for thousands of years.

That you have even posted here means that you are on their radar. There is no place to run and hide. The sooner you can accept that, the better it will go for you. FE devices cannot be tinkered very easily, especially for “commercial” use, the kind that could power a home. And if anybody tries to do it, they soon get a visit, the kind that you don’t want to get, and I don’t care where you live. Yes, if you had enough people band together whose integrity was unshakable, the hero’s route could work, but I only know of one person on Earth who could successfully complete this application:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#howmany

Not enough people on the planet today have the right stuff to go that route, so I am trying something different. I get would-be tinkerer-heroes at Avalon all the time. That they come here anonymously means that they don’t have 1% of the courage needed to pursue it. This is not an easy game to play, and I am not looking for people to go waste their lives going down a path that is strewn with corpses and wrecked lives. The technology is a tiny piece of the problem, paradoxically.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

Just having some fun :)

http://calatoriecatrecentru.com/stampede_of_lambs.gif

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

You definitely have some talent, there, buddy. :)

If enough lambs can bleat in tune, Godzilla’s reaction could be “interesting.” I doubt that they will decide that the best response is to make some lamb-skinned furniture and have some finely-seasoned lamb chops, but we may see.

Best,

Wade

[motherlove]

I had a vision while in meditation the other day of a healing centre for the collared and the cuffed or rather the priviledged among us (sound, light, crystals loving hands). I saw suits and ties in a whole different way. The pain of realising what they have been apart of overwelmed them. They required some serious spiritual intervention. Is free energy the source? Are we talking spirit here? Best Wishes.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Funny Illie!

Spirit, yes, I like that.

[Bo Atkinson]

"I'm afraid to say" that our endeared proposition of "free energy" may well include some aspects of "the conservation of energy". I have worked at visualizations from this point of view. All of our common reality is contingent upon proportionality of interactions of that which (already) is.

Focusing extreme-excesses of free energy seems to have been apparent in the 911 structural-dustification. Dr Judy Wood observed continuing rustication of replacement steel beams, after neighboring buildings were repaired. (Although she achieved this at a distance, without scientific privaledges she deserved). This might be an example of reality's matrix disrupted, somehow. This 911 misappropriation of the matrix, might not occur again. (May we fear not). Whereas Hutchison presented material dissociation of materials, done at a very small scale, by contrast. It did not seem to cause harm to self or others. (No later-rustification was reported there). (See Dr Wood's book, Where Did The Towers Go).

Back to a practical visualization of free energy. I've pieced convenient bits and pieces of theory as follows: Our physical reality introduces force-power which we may first detect as gravity. (Though indeed we may pock at the precursurs in which certain detection schemes read something or other). Gravity however, we engage in association with masses massively larger than our own body mass, (therefore not very-sensorily in outer space). Upon a planet, the mass is massive enough to align gravity uniformly, linearly. We may say downwardly, or inwardly to the earth's core. The force within gravity disipates as it polarizes, into the mass it penetrates. It converts, we might suggest, from gravity into EMR and also into mater. Something like the Expando theory occurs, earth actually grows. Due to our planetary evolution-state, our earth is also heating at the core. Earth's equilibrium status presently and for eaons expands or grows in fits and bursts, (volcanos and earth quakes). At the nano scale, my cumulative theory is that atoms, so called, herewith absorb the force content of gravity, thence 'enforce' sub atomic order. This 'force' regulates the spins or pulses or polarities inside atomic structure. Excesses re-radiate as EMR (electro magnetic radiation).

The implications of my accumulated theories, suggest to me, that earthlings are best situated to tap free energy near to earth's surface. Further implying that we might avail from some sort of linear flow. The same flow which sort of 'blows' all materials or weighs it all 'down'. Our endeavor, IMHO, might ultimately use up real estate or material boundaries. Perhaps it will involve an arrayed collector or antenna of some sort. Tapping it as EMR might meet with such restrictions. Tesla's published forms of "free energy" devices seemed to have used wireless power. That is, the charging up of the sky as sort of a rechargable battery. This scheme required a lot of human cooperation.

The proposed cooperation, for better or worse, was banned from the people, to whom it was bestowed. I think the control groups honestly felt they knew best, just how to regulate our planet. Presently the jury is out, perhaps kicked out, who really knows? The controllers themselves seem incompetent, yet who knows? Perhaps there is much more to learn about. Perhaps it is as Ra says in the Law Of One: Where Ra implies that a reality like our's invokes polarities and catalysts. The polarity of "100% service to self" (representing a minority of earthlings) catalyze or motivate the majority of people (who represent the majority of earthlings), greater than 50% "service to others". That a more or less utopian planetary system tends to devolve into folks just staring at their belly buttons. Doing nothing, being nothing, having nothing besides static voidness. Was it brother Ahl or brother Sez who said: "pouring from the empty into the void".

I'm afraid that we need inspirations, to which we might not dare reach. ^__^

wavy

[Connecting with Sauce]

I work at a large OEM manufacturer who is a little slow with being near the leading edge of technology, I joke they have fallen off the trailing edge.... I drive what I consider is the most fuel efficient car produced by a competitor in '99 (Honda Insight mk1) which on a hyper miling trip I've managed to get 106 mpg (UK gallons)...

Next week I'm at a 5 day course on sustainable vehicles which I know will be talking about "old technology" like my car uses from '99... Nothing about FE or even technology like GEET which uses considerably less fuel...

The only thing I can do is plant information seeds and try and raise peoples awareness from within the beast of large corporations and try and change people mindsets from the inside and at the base of the pyramid... I sent 2 emails to the CEO and head of powertrain in 2009 mentioning just the possibility of technolgy we should at least investigate... I got no response. It included a link to Stanley Meyers water powered patents inc a 240+ page document of all his patents to split water in the car.

For me motivation at work is extremely difficult right now when virtually everyone you are surrounded by is unaware of free energy, "uncureable" cures, the fake illusion of FIAT electro money, deliberate toxic polution to shut the energy body down... the list goes on... In a one-to-one I basically said that on Friday about how I was UNMOTIVATED to work on stuff that was just progressing the status quo same old same old BS... :)

I work in Intake and Exhaust at a large OEM in Essex UK and I have had this as my sign off for the last 2 years since I saw this running (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd4ekSUoFXQ) I'm the engineer that talks to Andreas from the left of the camera...

John Shore

[CdnSirian]

It seems that the possible FE machines or pursuing research isn't the point right now.

[CdnSirian]

Though I should add I understand the frustration since you are so close to it, John Shore.

[Aetheric Traveler]

So called free energy still comes with a grave price. Imagine a similar scenario; 100 million brand new cars suddenly are given away-totally free- no tricks PLUS an unlimited supply of fuel forever! After one week, my guess is every road and highway would be gridlocked. The parralell is in fact very similar, but goes on to be even worse. Free energy means free unlimited electrcity. Now, if we did the same thing with electrcity as we did with the cars, we can only speculate on the explosion of electrical machines that would be used, with impunity. No-one would need to 'turn lights off' turn the heating down or regulate any energy expenditure. The environmental pollution backlash would be devastating.

It's the kid in a sweetshop when rich daddy is paying syndrome. How on earth you regulate the 'greed factor' Think about this carefully; no matter how wonderful the idea of 'free energy ' is, are we as a species responsible and mature enough to deal with the greed and excess that this would produce?

Cars cost money to produce because of labor and materials resource requirements. Even if Stan Meyer's "the car that ran on water" was allowed to be developed in 1998 instead of him being murdered, then, there would still be thousands of jobs everywhere building cars that used water to produce Browns Gas. Splitting water with high frequency, high voltage, low current electricity and keeping it in gaseous form with high frequency radio signals to be introduced into a combustion chamber as Hydrogen and Oxygen gases for instantaneous, clean, water by-product combustion, is certainly not going to gridlock the world.

It's not free energy either, but a great way to utilize manageably safe technology compared to Hydrogen cars, which are going to prove "Hindenburg" type catastrophic occurrences in the future.

I doubt if costless electricity would be damaging to the environment, either. Leaving the lights on simply wouldn't give Zillionaires more millions to make their black hearts feel warm and cozy for charging people money for monopolized power transmission and sale.

Besides, the real future of energy is in Resonance Piezocrystallographic transmittance of wave forms to create electricity on demand at any point on the planet, under the planet's surface or in space. The concept is not new. You're just not going to hear about it on CNN or NBC or any other lamestream mete-it-to-ya newsfeed.

But to answer the first real question where does energy, mass and substance come from? It comes with the caveat that you understand there are higher vibrational levels which exist in the same space as you currently exist in at our human, lower vibrational rate. What we call energy, mass and substance are actually much lowered examples of vibrational rates that can be seen, felt, manipulated and experienced by us lowly, 3-dimensional, fleshy human being light forms. We are the light that vibrates so slowly that it appears to be what we call solid, when in fact, there is really no such thing as solid.

For example, take what we call GLASS. Most people wrongly think glass is a solid-it isn't. Average type silicon glass is actually a liquid in motion. When created out of melted silica, it cools to the point where it's rate of movement slows down so much, that to our human eyes, we cannot see that is moving at a rate that can only be shown by examining a pane of glass made 100 years ago which is thinner at the top than it is at the bottom, where, when measured it proves its thicker at the bottom because the glass has slowly sagged downwards due to the force of gravity. Now, that's a slow moving liquid. We can break the glass because it also exhibits solidified properties that we can prove by showing its brittleness.

So, to understand energy, mass/matter and substance better, think of yourself as 10 times "C", the Speed of Light (molten glass) that has cooled/solidified down to .0000001C (just a figure for conversation) and moving so slowly that you can see and move in speeds of miles per hour. You are Light Energy moving so slowly that you "appear" to be a solid, when in fact, you're not. You are Light vibrating at sub-4th dimensional light wavelengths.

Just my opinion from reading a little here and there.

Cheers,
AT

[Anchor]

- what is energy?
- what is mass?
- what is "substance"?

It is thought.

[CdnSirian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wHGh2eRbLE don't know where this could fit in...fascinating.

[Aetheric Traveler]

- what is energy?
- what is mass?
- what is "substance"?

It is thought.

I can easily agree with that it is thought, however, I like to put a spin on it because we are conscious creatures with conscious as well as subconscious minds that are a part of the infinite mind that many call the Great Mystery.......

It is consciousness.

[ThePythonicCow]

Hi Wade,

Your question "where does any energy comes from" always leads me back to these three questions that have not been answered (to my satisfaction anyway):

- what is energy?
- what is mass?
- what is "substance"?


You're right - conventional science, whether of Copernicus and Newton or of Einstein (relativity) and Bohr (quantum mechanics), does not say what mass and energy are. They only provide various models for how mass and energy behave.

For a compelling explanation of how mass, energy, gravity and electromagnetic fields are formed from the underlying ether, and the essential properties of that ether, I recommend Subquantum Kinetics, by Paul LaViolette (http://starburstfound.org/review-of-subquantum-kinetics-by-prof-eugene-podkletnov/).

Admittedly, this essentially just recurses the problem one layer deeper. With this theory, we can "know" what mass, energy and force fields are, but we only "know" the essential relevant properties of the underlying ether, not what it "is".

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

After tomorrow, I am probably going to be quiet for a week or so. There has been plenty of action on this thread lately. This is for exploring the fears of FE, and I can see some of that happening here, as it should.

Hi wavydome.

There are many teachings that seem to be divergent, but I think that when we raise our awareness high enough, they don’t seem so divergent after all:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#teachings

I am not saying that I necessarily like the “system” of sending “fragments” to physical reality to train them, but my current understanding is that learning through fear is appropriate at certain stages of development, but it is eventually put aside, so that learning is best accomplished through joy. These people sure did not seem bored:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

Taking our species to the brink of survival sure can get one’s attention, and my understanding is that that is what it takes to get our attention in our ego-bound species. The human ego is not being used how it was originally intended. Its original function was to keep the soul focused in physical reality, and the vagaries of the physical experience on Earth turned it into something it was not originally designed for, which is a big reason for the troubles that humanity has today. That is one way to look at it, and it makes sense, but is it accurate? Beats me. But it is obvious that the human ego is our greatest adversary these days, and Godzilla is little more than egos on parade. If we can redeem our frightened egos, which are not really suited to running the show of our soul’s journey, then the Earth trip can be one heck of a lot more fun, I think. Does that mean we go 4-D? Squaring Ra with Michael with Seth with Jesus sure can be an interesting undertaking. One thing is for sure: the intellect can’t do it alone.

To the observation that unbridled greed would reign under an FE-based economy; I doubt it. Greed is the fear of never having enough. FE would make abundance the daily reality for everybody, so it is hard seeing greed becoming ascendant. Greed is in the driver’s seat only in a world of scarcity, which we have been living with for longer than history. An abundance-based reality has never been experienced before in history. I doubt that greed will become a bigger factor than it already is. Greed will still exist, as it is one of the ways that souls grow, by grappling with it:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#overleaves

but it will no longer run the show as it does today. Thinking that everybody will become greedier is to project a scarcity-based awareness onto a situation of abundance. As Fuller said, an abundance-based reality will not mean that all of humanity’s problems go away, but that we will be more into self-realization than survival.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm#fuller

I’ll buy that.

Hi Connecting the Sauce.

That you still have a job means that it went OK for you, and GEET is not FE. I have seen careers end by talking up FE in the office. I don’t do it, except very carefully.

On the nano-technology guy on YouTube, as long as he is playing the conventional physics game, which he is, he may have a chance to make an impact.

On what energy, mass and so on is, the greatest physicists were wise enough to say that science will probably never know just what they are, and it is prudent to shy away from such tasks, but establishment science still has that arrogance that Heisenberg wrote of:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#heisenberg

Best,

Wade

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Hi All :)

I wanted to write free energy horror story with every character dead at the end as a very possible outcome... Don't be afraid :) It will never happen :) Not WITHOUT OUR CONSENT (this last three words are important, please remember them)...

This post is about why i think so now...

When my dark vision crystallized, suddenly Light shined on it and I've realized I've missed bigger half of the picture. Have a look at these projects first:

PETMAN project by Boston Dynamics - a kind of a mannequin (with fully articulated human limbs movements and balance control, DARPA sponsored) for testing hasmat suits for soldiers... (yeah right...)
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Project webpage: http://www.bostondynamics.com/robot_petman.html
Has no eyes and hands but that's not a problem... Here they are...

Zdenek Kalal's single off the shelf webcam image processing and tracking system (code named PREDATOR)
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Project webpage: http://info.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/Z.Kalal/

Just one example of various bionic/prosthetic hands projects:
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Project webpage: http://www.dlr.de/rm/en/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-5486/8995_read-16713/

Many multi core hi speed, low power, low cost CPUs with integrated GPUs units for mobile devices (read: droids brainpower)... (even one mobile phone's trade name is Droid!)

Finally, military drones equipped with WMD... (WARNING: VERY VERY DISTURBING REAL BATTLE SCENES)
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Combine all those above technologies with FE and what we get?

Terminator reality... (WARNING: VERY VERY DISTURBING BATTLE SCENES)
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I am angry with myself, how quickly I've weaponized those inventions in my mind. It really reveals my true nature and world view i want to discard of so badly...

So basically speaking, with GC having FE already and that above listed ( very very tiny!) samples of official/secret technology, we are scr**ed up pretty much...
And originally i was intending to stop my horror story here with all of 99% of us perished...
But... it popped suddenly into my awareness how wrong i was. Thanks Source :)

FE source is intelligent and Divine it probably stops working if abused. FE source interacts with awareness of the person using it. Have read couple of theories that to work properly FE device/invention needs to be somehow conditioned by user's awareness.
Droids simply stop working now days when their fuel/electricity storage depletes. FE powered droids would simply stop working from within if consciously used against life.

Life is Sacred. The Universe Is All About Life.

This same failsafe prevents mass implementation of FE in present time because of collective awareness of humanity not being aligned with our Source. There is great disturbance in The Force (more on this kind of "quotes" later in the post ).

GC already have this technology for long time now and yet we are still here, alive. Why it is so?! Do they need us (our agile bodies precisely)? Absolutely not. They can use robots to mine, fly into space, manufacture various items or farm food for them. But if they are even more advanced they don't need any tools to "get ideas materialized".
So why GC don't use this tech to kill us all?

Because they know, better than we, how the Universe works. There are certain rules even GC can't break if they want to keep their status quo and play their "vicious game". Yes i am speaking of FREE WILL. It is relative to FREE ENERGY. Both are gifts from our Source.

We cannot forcefully override someone else FW without serious consequences for ourselves. The instant we cross that line we are marked for being out of the game soon... This is why Hitler, Stalin and others were finally taken out and disallowed to play their game.
We can trick someone into using hers/his free will to suit our plans. It is walking near the line but seems to be allowed. And GC are doing just that to get rid of us or enslave us. To make us all kill each other and do their dirty work for them. And GC cannot trick us by giving false facts to influence decision making process and still be allowed to play their game. It is equal to overriding free will IMO. They have to provide all the information they have to us so they can ask us to make a valid use of our free will. Do GC provide their information? Of course they do :) How?

One way is through "entertainment industry". There are probably others i am not aware of yet. We often call this info "secrets in plain sight". They are not secrets. Not at all. And it is not a coincidence. It is GC deliberate way of telling how it really is. So we can make valid use of our free will. If we choose to install specific laws that make lemon stands illegal... that's our conscious rightful choice!

The movies like Matrix, Avatar, Skull & Bones, many children movies are filled with decision supporting information to the brim. One ex.: Shadowman (Dr. Facilier) in the movie "The Princess and The Frog". He tells to his victim that he cannot use voodoo magic to achieve his evil goals. He have to deceive others into doing it for him. And he has tremendous debt on the other side so he tries to delay the repay. In the end he makes a mistake and let himself be distracted for a blink of the eye and little humble frog use his weakness (an amulet) and beats him to the ground. It is a hint from them for us. All their might and power will be gone if they make just a one little mistake. And we are frogs to them... There is also another wisdom nugget: chase what we think we need (this is called wanting) and we will never get it. But when we let it go and follow our heart we will get something better. Something what we really need. Neat huh? A movie from GC...

And how about Monsters & Co.? The concept of telling people to be afraid of something that is not harmful. Fearmen are told to be afraid of children they scare (to harvest energy of children’s fear) or they[monsters] will die. Fear as a tool of control. And in another scene we learn that "energy" laugh and joy is thousands fold more powerful than "energy of fear"... Monsters use fear energy to power up their world…

We will find countless examples like the above few in MSM. We have no excuse we didn't knew... We just have to start taking this information seriously and stop treating it as a form of passing time... So if we simply make a conscious choice that we want to be informed, that we want to know, we have to just start looking for the info. Suddenly we will see it everywhere. And when we will see it we will know this is it. Our hearts will tell us that. (Trust The Force Luke! Another hint from MSM!) Did it myself couple of times :) It works just Great!

That info will improve our discernment and rise our awareness of GC deception techniques. We can always withdraw our consent. There is no "contract" you cannot end... And not all contracts have "default clause". If we want to withdraw our consent just say it aloud. One point lost for them ;) And ONE point counts a lot. Especially at the end of the game.

Let our free will choices be well informed and based on honest discernment. A choice is a choice. Ill informed decision because of laziness to do some mental work leads to dire situation we presently have here on our planet Earth. But fully informed choice can quickly lead us into Heaven on Earth. Where we were supposed to be already.

By not using our hearts and brains to make well informed choice we unconsciously help with GC plan. Their plan is to support the growth of misery to the point it will stretch the fabric of the Source so much that it snaps and detaches our volume of space. With them as Ultimate Gods setting up their own rules. It will simply not work :) But they want to try anyway... Call it an experiment... We brutally smash atoms. So they try to brutally smash The Source and see what happens... How much can It withstand... Quite a lot!

They use our free will for that plan. It is 99% of us who have chosen all that misery in the world. One small step after another small step. The 1% does not care. As long as we play their game. As long as we do their "wet job" for them with our own hands. It is not about impossible vs possible. It is about choice. We can't fight them in battle. It is impossible. We can only make them obsolete by withdrawing our consent. By conscious choice.

Here is another hint from them. Ever watched/read superhero stories? After one battle with Evil another bad guy comes along. Over and over again. Ad infinitum... Why? Because fight reinforces Evil. Fight is Evil. We cannot "fight" Evil for Peace. ("War on Terror" anyone?) I choose to join The Lambs :)

Shed off our fears. We have the power of Choice. Without this power (Our Power) darkness have no chance. They know it. So they try to scare us...

Remember: free will. We can always ask other people for that specific consent through meditation/prayer or verbally. They will hear that call some day.

Let there be Love and Light!

And it also won't happen without our consent.

[modwiz]

Hi All :)

I wanted to write free energy horror story with every character dead at the end as a very possible outcome... Don't be afraid :) It will never happen :) Not WITHOUT OUR CONSENT (this last three words are important, please remember them)...

This post is about why i think so now...

When my dark vision crystallized, suddenly Light shined on it and I've realized I've missed bigger half of the picture. Have a look at these projects first:

PETMAN project by Boston Dynamics - a kind of a mannequin (with fully articulated human limbs movements and balance control, DARPA sponsored) for testing hasmat suits for soldiers... (yeah right...)

Project webpage: http://www.bostondynamics.com/robot_petman.html
Has no eyes and hands but that's not a problem... Here they are...

Zdenek Kalal's single off the shelf webcam image processing and tracking system (code named PREDATOR)

Project webpage: http://info.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/Z.Kalal/

Just one example of various bionic/prosthetic hands projects:

Project webpage: http://www.dlr.de/rm/en/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-5486/8995_read-16713/

Many multi core hi speed, low power, low cost CPUs with integrated GPUs units for mobile devices (read: droids brainpower)... (even one mobile phone's trade name is Droid!)

Finally, military drones equipped with WMD... (WARNING: VERY VERY DISTURBING REAL BATTLE SCENES)

Combine all those above technologies with FE and what we get?

Terminator reality... (WARNING: VERY VERY DISTURBING BATTLE SCENES)
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I am angry with myself, how quickly I've weaponized those inventions in my mind. It really reveals my true nature and world view i want to discard of so badly...

So basically speaking, with GC having FE already and that above listed ( very very tiny!) samples of official/secret technology, we are scr**ed up pretty much...
And originally i was intending to stop my horror story here with all of 99% of us perished...
But... it popped suddenly into my awareness how wrong i was. Thanks Source :)

FE source is intelligent and Divine it probably stops working if abused. FE source interacts with awareness of the person using it. Have read couple of theories that to work properly FE device/invention needs to be somehow conditioned by user's awareness.
Droids simply stop working now days when their fuel/electricity storage depletes. FE powered droids would simply stop working from within if consciously used against life.

Life is Sacred. The Universe Is All About Life.

This same failsafe prevents mass implementation of FE in present time because of collective awareness of humanity not being aligned with our Source. There is great disturbance in The Force (more on this kind of "quotes" later in the post ).

GC already have this technology for long time now and yet we are still here, alive. Why it is so?! Do they need us (our agile bodies precisely)? Absolutely not. They can use robots to mine, fly into space, manufacture various items or farm food for them. But if they are even more advanced they don't need any tools to "get ideas materialized".
So why GC don't use this tech to kill us all?

Because they know, better than we, how the Universe works. There are certain rules even GC can't break if they want to keep their status quo and play their "vicious game". Yes i am speaking of FREE WILL. It is relative to FREE ENERGY. Both are gifts from our Source.

We cannot forcefully override someone else FW without serious consequences for ourselves. The instant we cross that line we are marked for being out of the game soon... This is why Hitler, Stalin and others were finally taken out and disallowed to play their game.
We can trick someone into using hers/his free will to suit our plans. It is walking near the line but seems to be allowed. And GC are doing just that to get rid of us or enslave us. To make us all kill each other and do their dirty work for them. And GC cannot trick us by giving false facts to influence decision making process and still be allowed to play their game. It is equal to overriding free will IMO. They have to provide all the information they have to us so they can ask us to make a valid use of our free will. Do GC provide their information? Of course they do :) How?

One way is through "entertainment industry". There are probably others i am not aware of yet. We often call this info "secrets in plain sight". They are not secrets. Not at all. And it is not a coincidence. It is GC deliberate way of telling how it really is. So we can make valid use of our free will. If we choose to install specific laws that make lemon stands illegal... that's our conscious rightful choice!

The movies like Matrix, Avatar, Skull & Bones, many children movies are filled with decision supporting information to the brim. One ex.: Shadowman (Dr. Facilier) in the movie "The Princess and The Frog". He tells to his victim that he cannot use voodoo magic to achieve his evil goals. He have to deceive others into doing it for him. And he has tremendous debt on the other side so he tries to delay the repay. In the end he makes a mistake and let himself be distracted for a blink of the eye and little humble frog use his weakness (an amulet) and beats him to the ground. It is a hint from them for us. All their might and power will be gone if they make just a one little mistake. And we are frogs to them... There is also another wisdom nugget: chase what we think we need (this is called wanting) and we will never get it. But when we let it go and follow our heart we will get something better. Something what we really need. Neat huh? A movie from GC...

And how about Monsters & Co.? The concept of telling people to be afraid of something that is not harmful. Fearmen are told to be afraid of children they scare (to harvest energy of children’s fear) or they[monsters] will die. Fear as a tool of control. And in another scene we learn that "energy" laugh and joy is thousands fold more powerful than "energy of fear"... Monsters use fear energy to power up their world…

We will find countless examples like the above few in MSM. We have no excuse we didn't knew... We just have to start taking this information seriously and stop treating it as a form of passing time... So if we simply make a conscious choice that we want to be informed, that we want to know, we have to just start looking for the info. Suddenly we will see it everywhere. And when we will see it we will know this is it. Our hearts will tell us that. (Trust The Force Luke! Another hint from MSM!) Did it myself couple of times :) It works just Great!

That info will improve our discernment and rise our awareness of GC deception techniques. We can always withdraw our consent. There is no "contract" you cannot end... And not all contracts have "default clause". If we want to withdraw our consent just say it aloud. One point lost for them ;) And ONE point counts a lot. Especially at the end of the game.

Let our free will choices be well informed and based on honest discernment. A choice is a choice. Ill informed decision because of laziness to do some mental work leads to dire situation we presently have here on our planet Earth. But fully informed choice can quickly lead us into Heaven on Earth. Where we were supposed to be already.

By not using our hearts and brains to make well informed choice we unconsciously help with GC plan. Their plan is to support the growth of misery to the point it will stretch the fabric of the Source so much that it snaps and detaches our volume of space. With them as Ultimate Gods setting up their own rules. It will simply not work :) But they want to try anyway... Call it an experiment... We brutally smash atoms. So they try to brutally smash The Source and see what happens... How much can It withstand... Quite a lot!

They use our free will for that plan. It is 99% of us who have chosen all that misery in the world. One small step after another small step. The 1% does not care. As long as we play their game. As long as we do their "wet job" for them with our own hands. It is not about impossible vs possible. It is about choice. We can't fight them in battle. It is impossible. We can only make them obsolete by withdrawing our consent. By conscious choice.

Here is another hint from them. Ever watched/read superhero stories? After one battle with Evil another bad guy comes along. Over and over again. Ad infinitum... Why? Because fight reinforces Evil. Fight is Evil. We cannot "fight" Evil for Peace. ("War on Terror" anyone?) I choose to join The Lambs :)

Shed off our fears. We have the power of Choice. Without this power (Our Power) darkness have no chance. They know it. So they try to scare us...

Remember: free will. We can always ask other people for that specific consent through meditation/prayer or verbally. They will hear that call some day.

Let there be Love and Light!

And it also won't happen without our consent.

What a great post and thank you for the videos. I really liked the young man with his Predator camera software. Now, if I may opine a bit here. I did not come up with any kind of murderous applecations here. I did think of some defensive things and how to override/disable the bionic thing.
I believe it comes from my diet. I am a vegetarian for over twenty years. Aside from a handful, ot two of salmon meals in a restaurant, the idea of sourcing my nutrition for another living being does not occur to me. WHen it is presented to me I get turned off by the thought(s). I believe our diet influences our thought processes and that a violence free diet helps to promote a violence free mind. There were some experiments with diet in prisons last century. There was a plummeting of violent incidences. I no longer have the book which listed these studies, The experiments were short lives owing to the suppliers of food to prisons. The new dies were not within what they carried and lawsuits were threatened owing to contractual obligations. The lawyers won and civilization lost that battle. It's OK, losing battles can be very educational. The big lesson? Lawyers are a big problem. Not every one, just the culture.

Sorry for the tangential thought process there. Moral of story. You are what you eat and violent sourcing of food has unseen consequences. Just some thoughts, no food moralizing here.

Whatever you eat......Bon Appetit.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Thanks modwiz :) I agree on diet. For most of my life I was a carnivore... I started to eat more vegetarian meals couple of months ago. Whenever possible i choose to eat vegetables and fruits. It tastes great :) And it helps to change my POV a lot. Take notice. Food is our bodies' basic energy source. FE source is Divine. So if you feed on "violent"/dead food you become a little incompatible with Source/FE. But i think it is not that simple... It is two way loop... It implies that our bodies can run on Source/FE energy if our awareness is compatible with Source...

Wood, oil, coal, nuclear are violent sources of energy. They were supposed to be a "booster" stage of humanity rocket. We were supposed to discard that boosters long ago and engage FE stage of the rocket to go to the Stars. But we have chosen to cling to the boosters. If we won't choose to let it go it will run dry by itself. It is designed that way and this is Nature's failsafe. The human body experiment cycle will start from scratch again. We are at the end of the booster stage now.

What is our choice?

[Connecting with Sauce]

Hi Connecting the Sauce.

That you still have a job means that it went OK for you, and GEET is not FE. I have seen careers end by talking up FE in the office. I don’t do it, except very carefully.

Best,

Wade


Yes I know GEET isn't FE but it is a stepping stone for people to even consider that the alternatives are out there... I spoke this evening over dinner with some engineers that I saw it running and spoke with Andreas this last weekend and that French farmers had converted their tractors...

I also mentioned that I prefer not to mention "conspiracy theories" as most people shut off or close up, as I could see a few were... It takes time I suppose... Today I posted on my facebook this about a 1936 vapour carb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E-H6JseCXY

I know it isn't FE... but it is another stepping stone "200 mpg" in 1936!... and why the hell didn't that happen argument which "the closed off" can't use when you bring up FE... well if they stop 200 mpg carbs don't you think they'll stop FE ... no way in hell etc...

Has anyone see "Thrive" a few copies are on YT floating around...

With regards my career TBH I'm past caring which is where I was in my 1-2-1 and the company has a very good diversity policy... I will just say in my reality free energy devices exist :) and I'm in the union...

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Modwiz:

I also make the point in my work that humanity’s carnivorous behaviors and murderous behaviors are directly related:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/veggie.htm#murderous

When I update my site, I will revise that section a little, based on my studies of the great apes. Gorillas kill infants, as do lions and other animals, and the selfish-gene theory (which I think is in vogue now, but it will not be that way much longer) has been advanced to explain it. Such behaviors are always scarcity-based in nature, as far as I can tell.

Best,

Wade

[Unified Serenity]

Maybe a hundred years ago people who weren't yet connected to an electricity grid
also voiced objections and fears of getting those lights turned on.
My dad was a young farmer in the north of Germany when he got fed up
feeding one cow at a time... holding a storm lantern in one hand and the pitch fork with the hay in the other...
walking in the dark, and there it gets dark in the winter at around 4 pm....
And then one day, when the last cables had been installed, and the big moment came
SWITCH ON
and everything was illumined. All the cows...visible at once.
My jaw dropped as he told us kids the story.


Hey Ulli,

People are so afraid of change. You know that might be the place to focus our combined energy in a positive working to embrace change for our good. Not change in general because I for one don't like the latest hopey changy stuff going on, but I trust our Divine will to live in harmony in love, and that means changing ourselves, world, and focus in love not fear. Fear is what's killing us and driving the ptb to do the stuff they do.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

As promised, here is the first of a few negative visions posts that I will be making, to get those fears on the table, so they can be examined.


When it Ran Out

Henry cautiously poked up his periscope and surveyed the vicinity. A band of scavengers passed through the area a few days ago. They seemed to have moved on, but Henry learned the hard way to be cautious. Unlike the other starving people who had previously happened upon Henry’s mountain retreat, the recent scavengers were well armed. At this stage, the survivors were largely professionals. The weak and the unarmed had died from starvation or violence months and years ago, and rumors of epidemics among the survivors kept Henry tucked away in hiding. Henry had to kill the few who had discovered his hideout, but he hated doing it. But when it was him or them, his weaponry quickly decided the outcome. He then had to hastily bury them in the neighboring valley, as unobtrusively as possible, which was hard work.

A generation previously, Henry had been derided as a “survivalist,” those camouflaged fringe dwellers who had formed rather loosely-knit communities, united by their belief that Western civilization was doomed and their determination to survive the collapse. What might replace it was admittedly not thought through very clearly by the survivalists, but they were determined to live to see what that might be. Maybe one day, they would be able to live out their dreams of living off the land like their ancestors did, on homesteads, but that day was far off. The urban centers spewed out hungry hordes as the energy deliveries (oil, electricity, food) stopped arriving.

Most of the missing energy was oil. The talking heads on TV said that coal could supply America’s energy needs indefinitely, and maybe it could have, but too much changed too quickly. Several nuclear disasters around the world, including a couple in the USA that created large radioactive deserts, had halted nuclear energy in its tracks, and the Asian nations eventually kicked out the American military and grabbed the dwindling oil and gas for themselves, although nuclear warheads were used, which made oil country a no-man’s land, except for the rotating teams that worked to extract the oil and gas. It created a kind of perfect storm, and the energy deliveries ceased rather rapidly.

Fortunately, Henry was prepared. His band of survivalists quickly disintegrated, from internal tensions and the flood of starving people from the cities. The first several months of the collapse were just as awful as Henry and his pals feared. What they did not count on was how the fear affected them, as the stark reality became evident. Henry had a wife and child, but they were casualties of the first year. Henry’s mountain hideout was a last resort, and he did not expect to live there, much less alone.

Originally, Henry and his fellow survivalists bought land together and created a remote farming community. They planned to vigorously defend it. They tried to avoid the governmental agents who could simply confiscate their crops, but the USA’s government quickly collapsed into anarchy as the energy ran out, and the ex-military personnel proved to be very tough customers, and Henry lost his wife and child in those battles. Fortunately, the survivalists obtained weaponry that could compete with the military, because some of it was military issue. Henry was the best planner among his fellow survivalists, and if anybody could accomplish creating a secret survival hideout, it was Henry.

Henry thought that he might have to learn Chinese, as the teeming masses from Asia would invade, but China’s government collapsed, too, and from what Henry had heard, what used to be called the USA was having a delightful time of it, compared to what was happening in Europe and Asia. Africa and South America seemed to have the easiest time of it, as they were relatively unpopulated and not as oil-dependent as the industrialized nations, but they were in no shape to invade, either, and what would they invade for? The cities were useless husks. Henry heard tales of cannibalism in the collapsed cities and shanty towns around the world, at least while some radio stations still broadcasted. The last one went silent months ago.

Henry heard rumors that those Illuminati, with their advanced technologies, had fled the scene until the chaos died down, and then they would reappear from their off-world and underground enclaves to complete their final enslavement of the survivors. It was happening just as Henry feared. Actually, it was worse than he feared. Losing his wife and child was not part of his plan, not by any means. However, there was a positive outcome to their untimely deaths; it meant more food for Henry, and he could hole up longer in his hideaway and increase his chances of surviving the transition.

As Henry peered at the terrain with his periscope, in the distance he saw familiar faces. It was George and his family. George was Henry’s closest friend among the survivalists, and although Henry never even told George where his hideout was, George had a general idea of where it could be, and there he was, with his wife and children. Because George’s family survived, it looked like they ran out of food, while George still had a year’s worth of food in his bunker. Henry had already killed more than one former survivalist as they sought Henry’s hideaway, but he did not want to have to kill George and his family. He wished that they would go and starve someplace else. In the past several months, Henry had devoted all of his available time to camouflaging his hideout better, making sure that there were minimal tracks near his hideaway.

As George’s family began to come near his hideaway, Henry lowered his periscope and prayed that they would not find him. He even heard his named called out from above. George was talented, and Henry did not relish the idea of trying to kill George. George’s wife was highly skilled in weaponry, as was George’s oldest child. The outcome of a battle was by no means a foregone conclusion. One call seemed to come from almost directly on top of Henry’s bunker, but eventually the calls became fainter and ceased altogether before dusk. According to Henry’s protocol, he would not venture from his bunker for at least three days after a scavenger visited his area. Once, Henry ventured out the next day, to find the scavengers waiting for him. It was a short, bloody fight. Henry had a hard time with killing the last member of that band, a girl of about twelve. But nobody could be allowed to survive, to bring others.

As Henry climbed into bed that night, he thanked God that George’s family did not discover him. Tomorrow would be more surveillance of the vicinity, and Henry had been shorting his rations for some months, to last as long as possible, but he was losing weight. If scavengers did not stop coming in the coming year, Henry would have to come up with plan G, but for that night, he was just grateful to be alive. Another day of life meant that he might live through this transitional time, but he was beginning to wonder if the world that he would find would be worth living in. But he was determined to find out.


That was my first negative vision, and there will be others in the coming weeks.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

Wow... that was a horror story reminding me of Blade Runner and other "positive" futures presented on TV.

I see the connection of "Energy running the show", or to be more precise, lack of energy running through your story, but it does not relate to Free Energy :)

I had expected you would write about FE weaponry, space battles and near destruction of the planet with people forced to live under ground for the next 100,000 years...

If I could I'd ask one question of Henry: "What are you surviving for?!"

I don't want to ruin anybody's negative visions but I don't think this is a possible scenario for us right now.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

Stay tuned to the negative visions posts. Another will be an FE nightmare, and another will be another running out of energy vision, and I may come up with some others. They are fearful visions that have energy as their centerpiece. The ones that I have in mind will be the kinds of nightmares that Level 5s have:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level5

They are the kinds of visions that a Richard Heinberg might have. The future is not yet written, and humanity is not out of the woods yet. They will not be the futures that I want to sign up for, but people dream them, more than probably anybody wants to admit. Actually, I have heard that a version of Henry’s world is one of those planned by Godzilla, as the ranks of humanity get thinned out to 500 million or so, who can more readily form the pliant slave base that the hyper-elites seek. A nice little blowout could do the job. Nothing that makes Earth’s surface uninhabitable for a thousand years, but just something to thin out the ranks by 95% or so, and leave the survivors in a state of easy enslavement.

Both this world:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roadsblade

and this one:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

lie three hundred years into our future, with many in-between, such as where George Bush the Eighth is president. Fractions of today’s humanity will experience all of them, I believe. I know the futures that I want to experience, and they are not living life (or dying) in Henry’s world. :) More like Ileah’s:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32399-A-Future-Earth&p=330505&viewfull=1#post330505

Best,

Wade

[Elly]

Actually, this vision is a reflection of the world depicted in the movie "The Road". http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0898367/

Every time I think or hear about preparedness, this movie comes to mind. Not an unlikely scenario considering the fragility of our technology. If an event was to disrupt the energy grid, the consequences would be scary. A solar storm of the magnitude of the Carrington Event in 1859 would be catastrophic in today's word (just think about all the nuclear power plants). Knowing this, it makes no sense to be dependent to such a system for our basic needs.

[Lefty Dave]

I often wonder why peaceful nations don't build LFTR thorium reactors...from what I've read, they seem safer... anyone here have input on them?

http://energyfromthorium.com/

thanks

[CdnSirian]

" THE WORD AMBITIOUS best describes Robert Balmanno’s entrance into the distinguished domain of the science fiction dystopia with his book September Snow, the first book in his planned four-book The Blessings of Gaia series. With this series, Balmanno offers a unique and timely approach to this subgenre with his focus on a climate out of control and a state religion based on nature worship, which, counter-intuitively, offers a framework for totalitarian control. " Henry (Wade's post above) would fit right in, in this book series' challenging landscapes.

Full review at http://peacecorpswriters.org/pages/2008/0811/811rv-septembersnow.html

[Wade Frazier]

Hi all:

I’ll put, The Road on my list of movies to watch.

I think that Gates advocates thorium or something like it:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#gates

but all fission is an inherently dirty solution, is not a long-term solution, and is also a far cry from abundance.

I’ll put September Snow on my long list. All dystopian literature that I have read I think can be helpful see where we may be heading, so we can change course.

Best,

Wade

[haibane]

LFTR is being worked on as we speak, in several places. As you may have learned from http://energyfromthorium.com/ it is now a matter of who manages to get the patents registered first - us (whoever that is) or China. There was a conference held in Australia last November and some strategic partnerships were forged. As this isn't a matter of research anymore, but rather engineering, it is no sci-fi - you can expect fully working proof-of-concept small scale reactors to go online within 5 years (it still takes time, not just engineering-wise but also because of politics, outdated regulation and of course financing).

[Wade Frazier]

OK, here is one more like what Ilie was “hoping” for. :) This one may seem a little over the top, but the Level 5 fears:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level5

that I see seem to be along lines like this.


An Unexpected Outcome

Sally’s mother brought home more gold with the groceries. As with the rest of it, she put it in a bin in the living room corner. Gold was becoming so cheap that cars began to get plated in it, as well as some homes. At Sally’s house, they only covered their plates and eating utensils with gold, and Sally’s mother stored the rest.

“You never know when the gold will run out, Sally. We need to make sure that we have enough to get us through the lean times.” Sally wondered what lean times her mother was referring to. She heard stories of her mother’s austere childhood, when gasoline was rationed, but those days seemed to be over forever, with the advent of free energy machines. But Sally felt the fear in her mother’s voice and could see it in her eyes. Their good fortune was not expected to last.

When free energy was originally introduced by the president, there was a spectacular demonstration at the White House, with the president leading the festivities. The technology had been confiscated from a grass roots organization that spanned some states near the Rockies, but it had been declared a terrorist organization and its members had all been captured and put into detention camps, the new ones that had been built for the never-ending War on Terror.

Just how those people with their free energy machines were terrorists, Sally was not sure, but the president assured the nation that they had terrorist beliefs and plans, and had to be harshly dealt with. The leaders had all been eliminated at a televised mass execution, the first seen in the USA since the 19th century. They were not hung, but were all vaporized in a demonstration of what their free energy devices were capable of. The leaders were not permitted to speak at their brief trials, but the rumor was that the grass roots movement was trying to make their homes self-sufficient, without the need to buy energy. That may have been true, because one of the charges against them was terrorism against the oil companies, trying to ruin them. As compensation, the oil companies were granted monopoly rights over free energy technology, and were also deputized to ensure that terrorists never acquired such technology. The president was an ex-oil company executive himself, but he said that there was no conflict of interest in that peculiar arrangement, and he said it with conviction, so the nation was convinced.

Over the years, the definition of terrorism extended in ways that seemed strange, and the worst thing was if your neighbor accused you of being a terrorist. So, everybody was very nice to everybody else, especially when all the gold began flooding into America.

Not long after the announcement by the president, an African country was declared a terrorist nation. Free energy weapons were used to vaporize the nation. The president said that those people were unsalvageable, but children under two-years old were spared and sent to a desert that was being reclaimed using free energy technology, and they were being raised free of the terrorist ways of their parents.

As luck would have it, that vaporized African nation was sitting on top of the largest gold deposits on Earth, with veins that extended miles into the Earth. The oil companies’ free energy machines were used to mine that gold. Their free energy devices cut into the ground like a hot knife through butter, vaporizing it. A process easily separated the gold from the other elements. Many other valuable metals were mined with the gold, but the president called the gold America’s reward for being so vigilant against terror, and it was cheaply sold to Americans.

Other nations began to complain, and the president declared one of them a terrorist nation and vaporized it, too. Vaporizing a nation created atmospheric effects. There were some very beautiful sunsets in the days after that nation was vaporized. After that second terrorist nation was vaporized, which also was coincidentally sitting on valuable ore deposits that the oil companies soon began to mine, the other nations stopped complaining. They did not get the benefit of free energy, however. The president declared that any nation that did not obtain American permission before trying to develop free energy would be considered a terrorist nation and dealt with accordingly. So far, the oil companies had not granted licenses to any other nations, and a supranational governing body was established to regulate free energy, and there were confiscations and trials almost daily, as terrorists around the globe were rounded up, given trials, and vaporized.

Sally’s mother seemed to be in love with the president, who was on TV almost daily. The way that he manfully activated the free energy devices that executed those American terrorists impressed Sally’s mother, and many other American women. The president also activated the free energy devices that vaporized those terrorist nations, as well as leading the ceremony that began the mining operations. He said that such activities were man’s work, and he always went to church and and prayed for the souls that he would soon liberate, but he suspected that God sent nearly all of them to Hell.

Gold was just one benefit of free energy. The end of terrorism was another. The Internet was shut down internationally during the trial of those American terrorists, so other terrorists could not use it for their nefarious activities, and it was never turned back on. The president said that the Internet was the refuge of terrorists, so when the Internet was turned back on, it was confined to the USA, and was run by Fox Communications, The Truth Company.

It seemed like the entire world had turned terrorist, because the president signed legislation that forbid Americans to visit foreign nations. Not everybody was happy with that situation, but those who complained were declared terrorists. If they were lucky, they were put into the rehabilitation camps, but most were summarily vaporized, and the trials began to seem rather perfunctory.

When Sally was younger, she heard about that grass roots organization, and heard some of their message. They claimed that Earth could be made into a heavenly place with free energy, and that everybody could live in peace and plenty. It was too bad that they were also terrorists. But Sally wondered about their message sometimes. Maybe when all the terrorists were dead or retrained, then that dream of peace and plenty could happen. But the president said that the War on Terror would last for lifetimes, and he sure seemed smart. If Sally could not live to see that day when free energy brought peace and plenty to the world, at least she could eat off of gold plates in the meantime.

[Ilie Pandia]

Wade... you're a "terrorist" with a very dark sense of humor!

[Dennis Leahy]

Dammit, Wade! Stop it! Didn't your mother tell you that if you cross your eyes too frequently and for too long, that they would get stuck there? Now, cut it out before you get stuck in your writing, and end up only writing paperbacks to fill the "Horrific Sci-Fi" shelf at the library!

Dennis

{edit} Oh, I had better add at least one LOL to my post, as it was tongue-in-cheek, and my faux-seriousness may not translate well (especially without the facial expression, including a John Belushi raised eyebrow.) ;)

[Wade Frazier]

Dennis!

I said that you did not have to read it. :) I have a few others like that to write. Hey, it is almost fun to write stuff like that, and I’ll try to make the next ones more “realistic.” Seriously, the Level 5 fears are along the lines of those posts. Some are more sophisticated versions of what I have written on this thread, and some even go further over the top. Here is the “funny” part of what I am doing at Avalon. There is no end of dystopian visions out there, but I have never seen anything from Hollywood that hinted at what a world based on FE could look like. Just watch a Hollywood blockbuster get made soon whose theme is like Sally’s world. :(

I loved playing King’s Quest, back when I had time to play computer games, but now all that is out there are blood-spattered shooters.

I put out plenty, and I mean plenty, of positive visions of what a world based on FE can look like, but my “conspiracy” essay:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/cover-up.htm

gets more traffic than all of my FE essays put together. That is where the public is, but I am doing what I can to get it going in the right direction. I don’t want to be accused of being a Pollyanna, either. Exploring the nature of the Level 5 fears can be good work, as it gets them out in the open. How “realistic” are Level 5 fears? Well, if we totally ignore the transformative effects of what FE can do, and just project the Bush/Cheney/Murdoch consciousness into the future unaltered, then Sally’s world is not so outlandish, I am sorry to say.

That is why I am doing what I can to raise the vibe to get the lamb stampede going.

The race is on….

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Well, Dennis, you will be happy to know that I just got shoved to the back page by this:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/million-mustache-march-planned-april-encourage-growth-facial-134239007.html

Wade

[zenith]

Someone tinkering with things beyond their
comprehension destroys the entire Universe.

The End.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Zenith:

This is turning into the laugh thread, not the fear thread. I doubt that anybody will beat your succinct post for getting the point across. :)

Best,

Wade

[CdnSirian]

"at least she could eat off of gold plates in the meantime." Oh Master of Irony....with the gold gleaming in their homes, wouldn't they be blinded by the (Luciferian) light? It is nice to lighten up a little...:)

[jcocks]

Yes, but of course, the REAL fun didn't start until many years later, when the US president (now known simply as "the shining one") declared himself god and started "smiting" anyone and everyone who didn't agree. Of course, by then the American people would know no better. Many would line the streets to make offerings to their benevolent ruler draped in gold. Rumour had it that he was immortal. Of course, anyone who refused to believe dissappeared in front of their eyes. "The shining one" loved making very public examples of people like that. The truth was, however, that "the shining one" (or should that be "ones") was just as mortal as everyone else, maybe even more so. When one "shining one" died, they just took another clone out of storage...And it didn't take long for that to happen.

I could go on, but I won't - It just gets worse from there. That future would get so dark so quick that it would make our reality look like a veritable Utopia.

[Wade Frazier]

Hey CdnSirian, that is the most fun that I have had in a while. Long ago, I wrote ribald fairy tales for my pals, but my life is too non-fictional….

[Dennis Leahy]

Well, Dennis, you will be happy to know that I just got shoved to the back page by this:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/million-mustache-march-planned-april-encourage-growth-facial-134239007.html

Wade
In tonight's evening news...

A handful of kooky, eccentric, and possibly mentally ill people began assembling today for what they are calling the "Million Lamb March to Free Energy", which they hope will - get a load of this - somehow cause a reaction that will change the world into a state of abundance. Ha!

We'll get to that story, later in the newscast - if we have time. But now, for a truly important story: Strands of keratin, sprouting from the skin of hominids. We take you live, to Washington DC...

Dennis

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/

[Billy]

Well, Dennis, you will be happy to know that I just got shoved to the back page by this:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/million-mustache-march-planned-april-encourage-growth-facial-134239007.html

Wade
In tonight's evening news...

A handful of kooky, eccentric, and possibly mentally ill people began assembling today for what they are calling the "Million Lamb March to Free Energy", which they hope will - get a load of this - somehow cause a reaction that will change the world into a state of abundance. Ha!

We'll get to that story, later in the newscast - if we have time. But now, for a truly important story: Strands of keratin, sprouting from the skin of hominids. We take you live, to Washington DC...

Dennis

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/

Just to keep up the laughs Dennis. Here you go

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[Wade Frazier]

Thanks for the fear thread turned comedy thread, people. I’ll lay off the visions posts for a little while. I have some more truly negative ones to do here, if I can keep a straight face while writing them. :)

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

I wrote a post today that maybe should have been here. :)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=466012&viewfull=1#post466012

Best,

Wade