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divine_moments_of_truth
13th October 2011, 15:04
I've been gobbling up tons of information in the last few months, but I never thought until today to take a serious look at the moon. It doesn't rotate, it has a strange gravitational pull, and there has been many unexplained phenomena on the surface. I know many people know about its unnatural origins but there may be some new information here.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the Moon is not what it appears; that it is not just another satellite orbiting a planet, Earth, but an entity which has thrown the minds of some of the greatest thinkers and scientific brains into a quandary and bewilderment unprecedented in the history of astronomy. Why haven't you heard about this? Another government cover-up? How could Moon mysteries have anything to do with government secrecy, and moreover could it relate to the suppression of the space programme?

Let us outline some of the extraordinary anomalies and mysteries surrounding this puzzle. Clearly not all data will be equally reliable but the abundance of interrelated information nevertheless gives an overall picture which can be determined with some certainty. The first academic enigma must surely be that the Moon is apparently in its wrong orbit for its size. However, this would presumably be based on its assumed density. Technical reports claim a density of 3.3 for the Moon compared with 5.5 for Earth. Astronomy data indicates that the internal regions of the Moon are less dense than the outer, giving rise to the inevitable but outrageous speculation that it could be hollow. The eminent scientist Carl Sagan, a typical sceptic, made the statement, 'A natural satellite cannot be a hollow ob-ject'. But meaning here that if it is hollow, it is not a natural satellite---and therefore artificial.

Possibly the strongest evidence for it to be a 'hollow ob-ject' comes from the fact that when meteors strike the Moon, the latter rings like a bell. More specifically when the Apollo crew in November 20, 1969 released the lunar module, after returning to the orbiter, the module impact with the Moon caused their seismic equipment to register a continuous reverberation like a bell for more than an hour. The same effect occurred with Apollo 13's third stage which caused the Moon to ring for over three hours. So what's going on with the Moon?

Two Soviet scientists, Vasin and Shcherbokov, have spent much of their careers examining the facts compiled on lunar phenomena. Their conclusion is that the Moon is artificial, possibly a hollowed-out planet, and that it was steered from some distant region of the galaxy into a circular orbit around our planet (hence the extraordinary mystery of rock and Moon-dust age variations). They claim that intellectual life has existed in the Moon for eons.

In 1968 as Apollo 8 moved into orbit around the Moon, the astronauts spotted a colossal extraterrestrial ob-ject, which then had disappeared on the next orbit. Photographs were taken, of course, but not released to the public. On another occasion when the lunar excursion module was down to 4-5 miles from the Moon's surface astronauts witnessed a UFO suddenly rise from a crater and rapidly disappear. In 1969 Aldrin was checking the lunar surface from orbit, when two UFOs appeared, moved towards the Apollo rocket, hovered nearby, then to Aldrin's utter astonishment the UFOs joined to form one entity. Furthermore, astronauts of Apollo 11 saw a spacefleet of UFOs lined up in a crater. Almost every Moon mission involved encounters with UFOs or UFO sightings, not to mention the discovery of many bases on the Moon's surface. Renowned astronomer Patrick Moore discovered over one hundred dome-like buildings. In fact, about one thousand such bases, dome-like structures of diameter around 700 feet, have been witnessed. Astronomy records extending back 200 years indicate no such artifacts until about the 1950s (remember the book Alternative III?). Many of the UFO encounters by the astronauts were stated to be of a positive nature in which unintrusive assistance was given.

It has been found that asteroids and meteors not only create shallow craters on the Moon's surface but produce a convex floor to the crater instead of concave as expected, supporting the idea of a rigid shell. Countless other pieces of evidence from astronomers and NASA scientists began to reveal that some 2-3 miles down there appear to be dense layers of metal---which would explain why the craters were convex. But the most astonishing conclusion is that the only theory which can completely explain all the anomalies is that the Moon is hollow with a shell about 20 miles thick---mostly metal. Note that mascons (higher concentrations of mass) found in the marias cause fluctuations in gravity and have never been satisfactorily explained.

Moreover, these structural anomalies were supported by two publications, one Time Magazine, which unwittingly revealed the gravity value of the Moon relative to Earth by publishing the distance from Earth to Moon of the null point between them, indicating a gravitational force some 60 -70 % of Earth. Furthermore, some people noticed the feeble plumage of the rocket exhaust as the module rose from the Moon's surface---explained away by NASA as due to the vacuum. But what about some of the telltale and suspicious features observed during the first Armstrong and Aldrin Moon landing. The American flag was seen briefly to wave in ... a breeze? But we are told there is no air on the Moon. The flag was then starched. Also we saw dust kicked up by the astronauts clearly drifting in . . . what? Dust particles do not drift in vacuum---they cling together. And what about the feeble leaps of the astronauts off the Moon's surface---were their spacesuits and backpacks really so heavy? The Moon is supposed to be about one-sixth the gravity of Earth.

Thus we now know that air is present, and the feeble rocket exhaust could not be due to a vacuum. Moreover, the exhaust was apparently too weak to account for the necessary power to escape from such a gravitational pull in relationship to the size of the module, which was not large enough to contain the necessary fuel to escape the Moon's high gravity. Was antigravity propulsion secretly being used as a booster?

The covert government have long since sent 'astronauts' into outer space in antigravity spacecrafts. They apparently had the so-called cosmospheres about 40 years ago, some larger than the old and massive dirigibles. They seized the antigravity research data from the Nazis, and have since then reverse-engineered captured spacecrafts and negotiated deals with aliens involving antigravity technologies.

The more thorough have been the investigations of the Moon the more bizarre the results have been. Probably one of the most startling was that moonquakes occurred like clockwork. Moreover, the fluctuations on each occasion were the same. This is impossible for natural conditions which always obey fractal distributions. Furthermore, a study of rock samples reveal an age of 5.3 billion years, and that not only is the Moon older than the Earth, estimated to be about 4.6 billion years, but that it is older than the solar system (and by theoretical standards as old as the universe).

What about the surface of the Moon? Several television viewers wrote explaining that they spotted one of the astronauts pick up what appeared to be a glass bottle and remark, 'My God, I don't believe it, look at this . .. ' Then the television screen went blank. Other viewers observed the extreme difficulty astronauts had when drilling down a few inches into the Moon's marias and that when the drill bit was pulled out, metal shavings were visible. Rocks were found to contain brass, mica, titanium, and elements uranium 236 and Neptunium 237 not previously found in nature.

Astronomy literature reports the sighting of a 12-mile bridge-like structure over the Sea of Crisis in 1954 by John O'Neile, and in the 1950s astronomer Jessup realised that UFOs had bases on the Moon (and so does the government of course). Other strange lunar phenomena are: the observation by Dr. Frank Harris of a black body on the surface, 250 miles long and 50 miles wide; clouds and lightning; strange moving shadows and ob-jects, and spire-like structures thousands of feet high; a huge boulder with tracks (behind it) from inside a crater to the rim (uphill); the shrinking, over a period of time, of the crater Luna from six miles in diameter to one and a half miles; 'hill' effects in craters appearing and disappearing in a few hours; over 800 substantial observations made by scientists of blinking and flaashing lights; the results of NASA photographs of the lunar surface, indicating several large pyramid structures, strange rifts in the surface with entrances, massive girders, machinery and some 1000 kilometre blocks of metal, tears in the surface, revealing massive interior 'plumbing', huge crosses a mile long, and enormous excavating equipment. Professional astronomers have gradually been discouraged from investigating these observations, referred to as Transient Lunar Phenomena, and all such Fortean observations are now only of interest to the amateur.

Our satellite has long since been established as being extremely dry but this information has been contradicted by the appearance of clouds on the surface. On one occasion a cloud of water vapour appeared covering more than 100 square miles. And it has been reported that strange clouds appear at lightning speed. The capture theory that the Moon was pulled into its orbit by the Earth was once favoured but the circular orbit of the Moon invalidated it. As already mentioned the Moon is the wrong size and in the wrong orbit. It is too big and too far out. It does not rotate relative to Earth; the same side always faces the Earth. And what about the amazing 'coincidence' of the eclipse phenomenon. The position and size of the Moon is precisely that necessary to eclipse the Sun's disc.

Scientific experts, including NASA investigators believe that the Moon is hollow---it is the only explanation. The velocity of sound has been found to increase with depth and at 40 miles it is too fast for the speed of propagation through rock substance. 'Spaceship Moon' is the brainchild of the two Soviet researchers but many others agree with the theory, including NASA scientists at JPL and an Oxford University physicist. The capture theory is now back in favour but with a significant adjustment that the Moon was steered into orbit.

It might be worth a comment on the recent 'conspiracy theory' that astronauts never actually went to the Moon. DVDs and television programmes have proffered that, in particular, photographs allegedly taken on the Moon were faked. In fact one can see clearly in the photographs that the shadows of ob-jects on the Moon were not parallel as they would be if the shadows were cast by the Sun, rather than by studio lighting. Further evidence has been given. But we may know from earlier suspicions that NASA has a propensity for faking scenes---for example, the view of the interior of the shuttle faking an outer-space mission when actually on the ground. Thus the conclusion, and personal opinion of the author, is that both scenarios are correct: astronauts did land on the Moon, and NASA has produced faked photographs.

Was the space programme cut because further encounters with UFOs might blow the government cover-up? Even more important than this, allowing the public to increase their confront and interest in the subject of extraterrestrials would eventually lead to a worldwide awakening of the human race's true heritage, the causes of our downfall, the falsification of our history, and ultimately the disclosure and eradication of the control mechanism.

We see that the Moon mysteries are intimately bound up with extraterrestrial sightings and involvement, in particular, the conclusion of the two Russian scientists that the Moon is artificial and hollow. Is this a favourable omen for the human race or a harbinger of something more ominous. Why was the Moon directed to retain continuously a dark side? A side of the Moon we never see. Also police records referring to increased crime during the full Moon are commonplace. A study of ET material of which literature today abounds, strongly indicates that the nature of the Moon has a sinister purpose and plays a role in manipulating man's evolution.

In fact, if we include relevant data from extraterrestrial material transmitted by Ashayana Deane (see other articles for more information on this source) taken from a now vast body of advanced scientific knowledge about the universe, life and man's downfall, it is made clear that the Moon is another of the many components of the Beast machine (see Cosmic Map article), and does indeed play a sinister role. The natural matter of the Moon came from a very large planet, Maldek (or Marduk), which orbited our Sun thousands of years ago between Mars and Jupiter. It was inhabited by a thriving civilisation which degenerated to such a degree that the planet was destroyed. The asteroid belt is a product of the many fragments; also Wormwood (Bible), referred to as Battlestar Wormwood by ETs (see Planet X article).

We can tentatively assume now that the Moon consists of a metallic framework which has been packed by pieces from Maldek, forming the spherical shape but is essentially hollow. Similarly for Wormwood. Thus the Moon contains energies and coding (frequency patterns) supporting the original ET agenda for assimilation of our planetary system and in fact the whole time matrix. Further programmes emanate from the moon, such as one to cause unnatural hormonal/menstrual cycles in women to produce more children---thus losing control over when to have children. The purpose being to keep a plentiful stock of DNA for their genetic experiments (the human DNA, that is, its original template is valuable to these spiritually-fallen ETs).

In fact, not only does the Moon affect the tides of Earth but the blood in living organisms. A separate source of information (channelling) refers to the Moon as being an electromagnetic computer which can be programmed intelligently, such as to influence the feminine cycle (as also mentioned above in the Deane material), and has been transmitting signals to maintain our DNA for aeons.

Link: http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/01jan/moon.html

The One
13th October 2011, 15:24
check this link out if you havent already, awesome http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Moon_Images.html

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Moon_Images_Menu.html

Vitalux
13th October 2011, 15:42
divine_moments_of_truth

I use to study the same things about the moon.
Here are some things I should point out that will probably help make a bit more sense.

The Moon Does rotate. A solar day on the moon is about 27.32 days relative to a solar day on earth.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_length_of_one_solar_day_on_the_moon

Here is where you have to separate fact from fiction and misinformation.

NASA never ...Ever......Sent a Man to the MOON....No Man or NASA Apollo space craft ...ever left earth orbit. It was a hoax very much like 911.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1IyzTcK9pDg/TaPrNJJFQyI/AAAAAAAAAbM/JkfGn-4uWKg/s1600/moonhoaxwallpaper640x480.jpg

Therefore, any talk of NASA crashing a space ship into the moon is just Propaganda and lies.

If we take a pot full of boiled turnips, then we take a big dump in the pot, then we pull out a blender and mix it all together.
It gets pretty hard to try and figure out the food from the human crap.

NASA and the News Media do that to the people to always keep them dazed and confused.

Is our moon anomalies..? definitely.

Good post, just wanted to toss in a bit of food for thought :rolleyes:

WyoSeeker
13th October 2011, 15:53
divine_moments_of_truth
NASA never ...Ever......Sent a Man to the MOON....No Man or NASA Apollo space craft ...ever left earth orbit. It was a hoax very much like 911.


I disagree. No doubt some of the images and video were faked but it's also certain that we did in fact land on the moon and bring back some rocks. The idea that we never went and it was ALL faked is disinformation. I think when they got there they realized there were ruins and artifacts everywhere and it was easier to fake some images and video than to keep airbrushing out everything they wanted to hide. IMHO

divine_moments_of_truth
13th October 2011, 16:01
Thanks for clearing that up Gary, I found the reason why here. Kinda a weird coincidence.


Well, the Moon does rotate. In fact, the Moon takes 27.3 days to turn once on its axis. But the Moon also takes 27.3 days to complete one orbit around the Earth. Because the Moon’s rotation time is exactly the same amount of time it takes to complete an orbit, it always presents the same face to the Earth, and one face away.

Max

Vitalux
13th October 2011, 16:01
divine_moments_of_truth
NASA never ...Ever......Sent a Man to the MOON....No Man or NASA Apollo space craft ...ever left earth orbit. It was a hoax very much like 911.


I disagree. No doubt some of the images and video were faked but it's also certain that we did in fact land on the moon and bring back some rocks. The idea that we never went and it was ALL faked is disinformation. I think when they got there they realized there were ruins and artifacts everywhere and it was easier to fake some images and video than to keep airbrushing out everything they wanted to hide. IMHO


hey buddy....if you wanna believe they went to the moon ....but had to fake everything about it....all the power to you.
Hey I have got some of those moon rocks in my back-yard I can sell you.

Now don't pay any attention to those people that will tell you I am a liar ...and forget all the bull crap I have told the world.
Buy my rocks. I will give them to you for a really good price....seeing as they are actual moon rocks.... for you $ 200 an ounce. http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lunar/samples/atlas/images/thumbs/70017/70017,0_S73-15719.jpg


It really boils down that ...you don't want to know the truth, which is how this tiny little pea sized brain of ours works.
We probably can't handle the truth, because we have never been told it.

Billy
13th October 2011, 16:14
I found this comment from the CHANI project quite interesting.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30964-The-CHANI-Project-First-time-Computer-Channelling&p=314849&highlight=computer%2C+channel#post314849

http://thechaniproject.com/nexus.html


Some questions asked by the Entity to the researchers:
"ok me first question ask
wat purpose yor moon
me line time moon demise long ago
life become better with no moon
why u stil have moon
wat purpose yor moon have u
moon not natural heaven body
moon put there by other being to control earth mood
without moon big calm comes over peoples no big storm anymore only litel storm
without moon peace among people
elders say old race capture moon from space then put next earth
elders say moon forces work like time mashine keep control time
moon also control mood of beings on planet in this line time"

WyoSeeker
13th October 2011, 17:42
hey buddy....if you wanna believe they went to the moon ....but had to fake everything about it....all the power to you.

They didn't fake everything about it. If every photo was staged why would they airbrush out artifacts they didn't want there?

You're going to believe what you want, but in my opinion if you buy into the "never went" theory you are not looking at all the evidence and using critical thinking.

Once again, just my opinion and your mileage may vary.

Kano
13th October 2011, 18:02
hey buddy....if you wanna believe they went to the moon ....but had to fake everything about it....all the power to you.

They didn't fake everything about it. If every photo was staged why would they airbrush out artifacts they didn't want there?

You're going to believe what you want, but in my opinion if you buy into the "never went" theory you are not looking at all the evidence and using critical thinking.

Once again, just my opinion and your mileage may vary.

My .02

I think you are probably both somewhat correct. I think we did in fact send astronauts to the Moon but far before the late 60's and most likely with some help from our "friends". Therefore, the data, the rock collecting, the Moon ringing like a bell, etc would be authentic. However, the media coverage that was presented to the world in the summer of '69 was totally a hoax.

Check out Jay Weidners site. He has some really fascinating info on the moon landing hoax and who was behind it all.

http://jayweidner.com/

telemark
13th October 2011, 21:29
Lots of interesting possibilities put out to comment here. I must admit I find it strange that man has not returned, I do think that the reason is that we might not be welcome. What a perfect way to conduct your work on this world, not too far away and in full view to mankind but out of sight.
Everyone is a part of this planet, its ours and we should be aware of what others might know. I do think there are so many unexplained objects and items on this planet that we have had and still are getting help and direction from others.
Telemark

seehas
14th October 2011, 01:22
hey buddy....if you wanna believe they went to the moon ....but had to fake everything about it....all the power to you.

They didn't fake everything about it. If every photo was staged why would they airbrush out artifacts they didn't want there?

You're going to believe what you want, but in my opinion if you buy into the "never went" theory you are not looking at all the evidence and using critical thinking.

Once again, just my opinion and your mileage may vary.


thats absolute like i see it also, they have been there but what they found was so strange that the best disinformation possible would be a hoaxed moon landing.

why did many hours of moon film videos disapear? because with todays technology its to easy to see whats realy going on there.

nearing
14th October 2011, 01:36
I have to go on my gut with the Moon. My gut tells me we went there but the stuff we were fed was completely fabricated for our consumption. And, yes, we are not welcomed back.

Also, I don't think the Moon does rotate, despite what Wiki says. The same face is ALWAYS facing us but turns my a few degrees, not even close to entirely rotating. We NEVER see the 'dark side' of the Moon here on Earth.

I also have a hard time with the explanations of the 'phases' of the Moon. I always have. The Sun's light on the Moon should dictate the lighted face we see of it, but I often see the Sun (in summer) still up near setting and only see a small part of the Moon's face when clearly, it should be shining full on. And a New Moon, meaning we don't see it at all even though it's right there makes no sense to me whatsoever. Why wouldn't it be reflecting the light from the Sun?

This last part (Phases) may have never been explained well enough for me to grasp, but the rest stands.

I feel it is not a natural satellite at all. It's a home base for someone and they are keeping an eye on us.

Eh, call me crazy.

WhiteFeather
14th October 2011, 01:42
divine_moments_of_truth

I use to study the same things about the moon.
Here are some things I should point out that will probably help make a bit more sense.

The Moon Does rotate. A solar day on the moon is about 27.32 days relative to a solar day on earth.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_length_of_one_solar_day_on_the_moon

Here is where you have to separate fact from fiction and misinformation.

NASA never ...Ever......Sent a Man to the MOON....No Man or NASA Apollo space craft ...ever left earth orbit. It was a hoax very much like 911.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1IyzTcK9pDg/TaPrNJJFQyI/AAAAAAAAAbM/JkfGn-4uWKg/s1600/moonhoaxwallpaper640x480.jpg

Therefore, any talk of NASA crashing a space ship into the moon is just Propaganda and lies.

If we take a pot full of boiled turnips, then we take a big dump in the pot, then we pull out a blender and mix it all together.
It gets pretty hard to try and figure out the food from the human crap.

NASA and the News Media do that to the people to always keep them dazed and confused.

Is our moon anomalies..? definitely.

Good post, just wanted to toss in a bit of food for thought :rolleyes:

LMFAO, Awesome and well put Gary.

Heres something that Uncle Alex Collier Spoke About Re:The Moon in 1995.

A 1995 Lecture by Alex Collier- The moon originally came from Ursa Minor and is 6.2 billion years old. It was one of four moons around the 17th planet of the system referred to in the Orion tongue as "Chowta"

The true military complex was underground. Entrances were at both poles, the
Taurus mountains and JulesVerne crater (far side) and Archemedes (near side);
all these were the original entrances when the *Orion Group was there. However,
the secret government has created more openings and is currently expanding
the underground complexes. The expansion is for the operation of private scientific
and military agendas for the New World Order

Many of the craters on the moon were used as spacecraft hangars. Large craters
were capable of housing 200 or more craft. Some of the craters are as much as
170 miles wide. The personnel consisted of half human-half Grey,
and half human-half reptilian. The surface bases consisted of nine domed cities.
The vegetation was grown inside these domed structures. Small lakes were
scattered around the surface. The remains of these domed structures were
discovered by *NSA astronauts, the Russians and the Apollo astronauts.

The *NSA astronauts were there in 1958. They have been there ever since, as has
a secret portion of the Russian government called the "Black Guard". Upon arriving
on the surface of the moon, the *NSA astronauts (with their Grey "tour guides"),
were taken to the underground facilities where the remains and skeletons of
reptilian-like beings and human beings, as well as Orion technology, were located.

The structures that were built on the surface were designed by JPL. These
domed structures were built first on the moon, to test them, and then on
Mars.

Large mass structures, functioning as weights, have been designed into the structure
of the moon to keep it from rotating on a normal basis, and they are located at
both poles. These are magnetic in nature.

When the Apollo astronauts landed on the moon, we had already been there for
some time. The *NSA had already established a colony there eight years earlier,
and the technology involved was not shared with the lower echelons in NASA
or even the military. *NASA was used as a "blind" to keep the people of the
United States ignorant of what was really happening in space, and is still fulfilling
that function.

Some of the greatest scientific minds on our planet who have vanished without a
trace were taken to the moon and to Mars in an attempt to start a brand new
society.
Engineers, architects and people from every walk of life went there.

The *Orion Group is not friendly to us. Since the world government realized there
was now no place to go, they had to come back here.

According to the perception of the world government, population is a "problem", and
the corporations have polluted the environment. The fourth alternative is to stage
a controlled pole shift while they are safe in their underground facilities, in order
to eliminate most of the planetary population and artificially "cleanse" the
environment.

KiwiElf
14th October 2011, 15:01
I agree with WyoSeeker, but as none of us have been there, we do not "know"... we each have an opinion based on what we've all studied and formed a belief about it. That doesn't make our beliefs "facts".

13th Warrior
14th October 2011, 15:27
divine_moments_of_truth

I use to study the same things about the moon.
Here are some things I should point out that will probably help make a bit more sense.

The Moon Does rotate. A solar day on the moon is about 27.32 days relative to a solar day on earth.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_length_of_one_solar_day_on_the_moon

Here is where you have to separate fact from fiction and misinformation.

NASA never ...Ever......Sent a Man to the MOON....No Man or NASA Apollo space craft ...ever left earth orbit. It was a hoax very much like 911.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1IyzTcK9pDg/TaPrNJJFQyI/AAAAAAAAAbM/JkfGn-4uWKg/s1600/moonhoaxwallpaper640x480.jpg

Therefore, any talk of NASA crashing a space ship into the moon is just Propaganda and lies.

If we take a pot full of boiled turnips, then we take a big dump in the pot, then we pull out a blender and mix it all together.
It gets pretty hard to try and figure out the food from the human crap.

NASA and the News Media do that to the people to always keep them dazed and confused.

Is our moon anomalies..? definitely.

Good post, just wanted to toss in a bit of food for thought :rolleyes:

What is your source for this information that makes you so certain of this?

OnyxKnight
14th October 2011, 22:46
The Moon was once part of the Polaris system. Brought here some 50.000+ years BC.

seehas
14th October 2011, 22:53
The Moon was once part of the Polaris system. Brought here some 50.000+ years BC.

thats a hell of a trip for a motorhome :)

Pete
15th October 2011, 01:31
Have you guys viewed the the white houses on the moon thread?

norman
15th October 2011, 01:59
The moon doesn't have a dark side!

It has a FAR side that we never see from here. When that far side is between us and the sun it's a bright and hot place. (new moon time) When that far side is at the outside opposite to that it's dark and cold(full moon time).

The Sun rises on the moon very slowly. The alleged apollo landings were timed to be about three days on the surface. They had to do the equivalent of landing at dawn and getting out of there before the heat of the day cooked them. That would be something like about 10 or 11 am in our Earth terms. On the moon that's a much slower process and was actually 3 days of our time.

DeDukshyn
15th October 2011, 02:54
The Moon was once part of the Polaris system. Brought here some 50.000+ years BC.

Oxy,

What do your source say that it is? It seems ... not entirely naturally formed ... and is certainly not a natural satellite of earth - that much is certain ...

OnyxKnight
15th October 2011, 14:02
The Moon was once part of the Polaris system. Brought here some 50.000+ years BC.

Oxy,

What do your source say that it is? It seems ... not entirely naturally formed ... and is certainly not a natural satellite of earth - that much is certain ...

It started off as a natural object. Than it was turned into a research facility.

The fact that it has heavier elements on the surface and more lighter elements inside itself is due to the ET groups who were molding it. They heated away the inner material and brought it to the surface, leaving empty cases inside it. Hence why there is heavier material above, and also geological structures like the Moon had a volcanic activity (which is not true).

Its why it ringed in some areas like its hollow too.



The Moon was once part of the Polaris system. Brought here some 50.000+ years BC.

thats a hell of a trip for a motorhome :)

Its been even further :).

Like 1000 light years across the local galactic region. It has just "ended up" here for the time being.

Snowbird
15th October 2011, 16:16
I have no idea whether this is true or not, but I think that it makes a great deal of sense. We ARE adversely affected by the Moon.

September 12, 2011
STANKOV UPDATES: The Magnetic Pole Shift is coming in this Fall as Part of Earth's Ascension; North Pole Will Move to Siberia. South Pole Will Move to South America and Africa; Moon Will be Removed From Earth's Orbit

by Georgi Stankov


Why the Moon Must be Removed

I have left one very important aspect of the magnetic pole shift for the end. The moon, as some may know, is an artificial satellite and has been placed by the Anunnaki in orbit as to create dark negative energies and increase the density of our planet. It has a very negative overall impact on the human ethereal fields and influence to a large extent the functioning of the three lower chakras, which are responsible for the human sexual, carnal, and other compulsive actions. Most of the human karma on this planet has been engendered by the three lower chakras of the incarnated entities. All wars, atrocities, and other crimes are energetically driven by the energies of the lower human chakras.

In the past, the Orion Empire had huge bases on the moon, from where it controlled earth and humanity. These bases were taken over by the Forces of Light two years ago, as I have written in my essay "Why the Many Delays in the Ascension Scenario" For this reason, the moon must be removed from the earth's orbit, when the magnetic pole shift has taken place. This artificial satellite of the Dark Forces no longer comply with the harmonious high frequency energies from the 4th and 5th dimensions that will flood earth after the shift. This operation is also necessary, as otherwise the new vertical position of the planet's axis with respect to the sun`s plane could not be established and maintained.

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/2012agoldenage/2011/09/stankov-updates-the-magnetic-pole-shift-is-coming-in-this-fall-as-part-of-earths-ascension-north-pol.html

Some additional info:

Andromedan Earth representative/contactee

The human representative of the Andromeda Council states he has been given the Andromedan name “Tolec.”



Tolec is a well-adjusted 20-year career professional in the computer industry. In his ExopoliticsTV interview, Tolec states he was first contacted in 1993 by his principal Andromedan contact who took him on three time travel journeys via Andromedan space craft to the 1840s western U.S. visiting the same 1840s family to observe their live journey.

Tolec states that his Andromeda contacts ended subsequent to the 1993 contacts until the Andromedan Council contacted him again in September 2010.

In his above ExopoliticsTV interview, Tolec states that he receives information updates from his Andromeda Council contacts in a number of modalities:

Telepathic communication with Andromedan representatives

Automatic writing from Andromedan representatives

Communication in the dream state with Andromedan representatives

Visions from the Andromedan representatives

Interdimensional travel of his soul essence to a venue of communication, such as an Andromedan ‘biosphere”


According to Tolec, the Andromeda Council has a number of “biospheres” or large planetoid-like spherical spacecraft stationed around Earth.



One such biosphere has 26 stories and a staff of 50,000.


What possibly can be the value of Earth humans?


Fortunately, the majority of the council gave the opinion that because Earth has been manipulated for over 5,700 years, that we deserved an opportunity to prove ourselves - to at least have a shot at proving the other part of the council wrong.

“They want everything extraterrestrial on the planet, in the planet and Earth’s moon out of here. The reason for this is that they want to see how we will act when we are not being manipulated. We are all being manipulated, and my first suggestion is to throw your television set away. I can’t tell you how sincere I am about that. They are teaching you what to think, not how to think. If you give that up, you become a robot. You become sheeple.”

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_galacticfederations19.htm

Vitalux
15th October 2011, 16:38
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I use to study the same things about the moon.
Here are some things I should point out that will probably help make a bit more sense.

The Moon Does rotate. A solar day on the moon is about 27.32 days relative to a solar day on earth.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_length_of_one_solar_day_on_the_moon

Here is where you have to separate fact from fiction and misinformation.

NASA never ...Ever......Sent a Man to the MOON....No Man or NASA Apollo space craft ...ever left earth orbit. It was a hoax very much like 911.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1IyzTcK9pDg/TaPrNJJFQyI/AAAAAAAAAbM/JkfGn-4uWKg/s1600/moonhoaxwallpaper640x480.jpg

Therefore, any talk of NASA crashing a space ship into the moon is just Propaganda and lies.

If we take a pot full of boiled turnips, then we take a big dump in the pot, then we pull out a blender and mix it all together.
It gets pretty hard to try and figure out the food from the human crap.

NASA and the News Media do that to the people to always keep them dazed and confused.

Is our moon anomalies..? definitely.

Good post, just wanted to toss in a bit of food for thought :rolleyes:

What is your source for this information that makes you so certain of this?


My friend it boils down to this.

People only hear and see, what they want to listen to and see.
People don't want to know the truth.

Unfortunately this is one of the major downfalls of our species.


The entire world is swimming in a vast ocean of ignorance and I continually witness cesspool examples in these forums.


I have to go on my gut with the Moon. My gut tells me we went there but the stuff we were fed was completely fabricated for our consumption. And, yes, we are not welcomed back.

Also, I don't think the Moon does rotate, despite what Wiki says. The same face is ALWAYS facing us but turns my a few degrees, not even close to entirely rotating. We NEVER see the 'dark side' of the Moon here on Earth.


I feel it is not a natural satellite at all. It's a home base for someone and they are keeping an eye on us.

Eh, call me crazy.

In this above example, the writer express that even though he has complete ignorance and will not take the time to go and actually study astronomy "his intuition gut feeling" dictates his intelligence so he ignores the facts and joins the pack as an advocate for ignorance.




My .02

I think you are probably both somewhat correct. I think we did in fact send astronauts to the Moon but far before the late 60's and most likely with some help from our "friends". Therefore, the data, the rock collecting, the Moon ringing like a bell, etc would be authentic. However, the media coverage that was presented to the world in the summer of '69 was totally a hoax.



Here we have a guy that agrees NASA did not land a man on the Moon, however he is convinced that a secrete space agency landed there before the 1960's.

Would it be too much for me to ask if anyone could actually provide me with direct evidence of such statement? Does anyone happen to have a relative that happen to be part of these earlier moon walks? How about anyone with a photo showing the base on Earth where the space ships lifted off from?


The Moon was once part of the Polaris system. Brought here some 50.000+ years BC.

My friend when you are told something, do you ever question it?
Do you have any idea how far away that multiple star Polaris is away from Earth is? Would it surprise you to learn that Polaris is about 434 light-years from Earth.

If aliens wanted to park a moon here why wouldn't they just grab one of Jupiter's 63 moons?


In conclusion the evidence of Man not going to the moon.

The simple stuff. You tube videos


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yLBEKpOv34


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpmOVG3TGmg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVk_jYLCyi8

These are just a very tiny piece of the tip of the ice berg.

There are countless books. I just suggest that you start investigating and try and understand a little about how physics actually works in space.

The problem is that MOST PEOPLE don't want to believe the truth. NASA Apollo missions never actually went to the moon.
Much safer to crawl under the safety of fairy tale belief system.


Please understand this response is not meant as an attack. It is only to point out that there is a huge difference in going out and studying and learning about the nature of things around us, questioning everything until we find truths, rather than just following others that are just as blind as the next person.

Yes the Moon is odd, however would someone please state known facts, rather than echo statements based on superstition, ignorance, or just repeating ridiculous stories others have made up, which are now advocated as facts rather than some ridiculous theories of some guy probably having some epiphany while stoned on magic mushrooms.

Kano
15th October 2011, 22:15
My friend it boils down to this.

People only hear and see, what they want to listen to and see.
People don't want to know the truth.

Unfortunately this is one of the major downfalls of our species.


The entire world is swimming in a vast ocean of ignorance and I continually witness cesspool examples in these forums.

...
These are just a very tiny piece of the tip of the ice berg.

There are countless books. I just suggest that you start investigating and try and understand a little about how physics actually works in space.

The problem is that MOST PEOPLE don't want to believe the truth. NASA Apollo missions never actually went to the moon.
Much safer to crawl under the safety of fairy tale belief system.


Please understand this response is not meant as an attack. It is only to point out that there is a huge difference in going out and studying and learning about the nature of things around us, questioning everything until we find truths, rather than just following others that are just as blind as the next person.

Yes the Moon is odd, however would someone please state known facts, rather than echo statements based on superstition, ignorance, or just repeating ridiculous stories others have made up, which are now advocated as facts rather than some ridiculous theories of some guy probably having some epiphany while stoned on magic mushrooms.

My man, are you an astrophysicist? Are you even a physicist? What makes you think you "know" anything more than the rest of us? Because I can't quote you chapter and verse of some book that was accepted as mainstream and factual? You're truth is not mine and that's the only important thing to deduce from your words.

Universal truth is not measured in mass appeal.

Happy researching.

Billy
15th October 2011, 23:04
I was wondering that maybe the moon was brought in to try and suppress/control the divine feminine, Gaia and all feminine energy.

If anyone finds the keys to the moon let me know, we can take her for a spin. :car:

apokalypse
16th October 2011, 08:50
Alex Collier on The Moon in 1994 Interview
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nearing
17th October 2011, 17:56
Gary, I don't trust anything that comes from the official institutions. I long ago became disillusioned with our educational system (hence the teaching of mainstream physics, not at all what the cutting edge physicists in alternative circles adhere to) and the government as well. My intuition hasn't been proven wrong yet in over 4 decades. It has a damn fine track record. Our 'official institutions'? Not so much.

If you think my intuition is less reliable than our government, then I can't change your mind nor do I want to even try.

Side note: I am a she, not a he.

13th Warrior
18th October 2011, 13:51
Hello Gary,

Although you quoted my post it appears you are speaking directly to others than me?

You wrote:


Please understand this response is not meant as an attack. It is only to point out that there is a huge difference in going out and studying and learning about the nature of things around us, questioning everything until we find truths, rather than just following others that are just as blind as the next person.


...and this is the exact point of my question
What is your source for this information that makes you so certain of this?

I have watched the first two videos that you've posted and i will watch the third; my assessment thus far is that there is good evidence to suggest that the moon landing footage that has been cleared for public air has been fabricated but, what hasn't been proven to me is that we haven't been to the moon...ever.

OnyxKnight
18th October 2011, 22:00
My friend when you are told something, do you ever question it?

Do you have any idea how far away that multiple star Polaris is away from Earth is? Would it surprise you to learn that Polaris is about 434 light-years from Earth.

Yes. I do.

But would you, a terran, question somebody who is actually capable to actually travel those distances, and had seen for themselves?

I'm aware how far Polaris is. I know the all the details on the star system. The moon comes from one of the last planets in orbit around the second star (Polaris B).


If aliens wanted to park a moon here why wouldn't they just grab one of Jupiter's 63 moons?

Because neither Jupiter's, Saturn's or any other planet of this system's moons are their property. Only the Moon we see on the sky at night is.


There are countless books. I just suggest that you start investigating and try and understand a little about how physics actually works in space.

And these people would know because they have tested their theories in space?

Maybe some of them has been to Polaris too?


The problem is that MOST PEOPLE don't want to believe the truth. NASA Apollo missions never actually went to the moon.
Much safer to crawl under the safety of fairy tale belief system.

They didn't make the first attempts, yes. The rest of the missions are real. They had a green light to do it.

And you can't talk with me about physics is there is no man in space that has actually tried superluminal craft and base their theories of space travel solely on that.


Please understand this response is not meant as an attack. It is only to point out that there is a huge difference in going out and studying and learning about the nature of things around us, questioning everything until we find truths, rather than just following others that are just as blind as the next person.

Even if they are from out of space, and have been there before the Earth was formed from its accretion disk?


Yes the Moon is odd, however would someone please state known facts.

FACT: It has hollow pockets;

FACT: It has volcanic geological features yet has never had any natural volcanic activity. Where does the lava come from?

FACT: Explain how heavy elements have found their way on the surface, some of which are artificially created on Earth by humans to be used in ship hulls?

Just something to start the heat up.

Do you like? Can we go on?

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Alex Collier on The Moon in 1994 Interview
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The multiple star system called by Alex Collier as "Chowta" is actually Polaris.

He indirectly confirms that information. So its not just me.

nearing
18th October 2011, 22:13
Apropos to this discussion:

"In science, I discovered, you cannot find the Truth."

---Marcel Messing (while being interviewed by Bill Ryan).

Lunesoleil
18th November 2023, 19:14
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Chakra
23rd November 2023, 06:18
Jean-Claude with Bruce sees All
https://rumble.com/v3wbxog-livestream-the-moon-is-inhabited-with-bruce-sees-all-and-jean-claudebeyondm.htm

Lunesoleil
5th January 2024, 21:58
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I've just seen a documentary on the Moon, the 8th continent, fascinating.