Aliens or Demons.

[Tony]

I do not normally get involved with aliens and satanists.
But this series of videos intrigued me, it was sent by a friend.
We know there is much disinformation out there,
but so much disinformation is itself interesting!

I know, there are inner demons =ego.
I believe, in outer demons, that feed, and feed off the ego.
I feel, there is positive in the universe, but there is also negative.

Negative is not a judgment, it just is, and it can be very helpful.

These videos suggest that there are no aliens just demonic
forces.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umEuVVQaFXc&feature=related

[ktlight]

I know, there are inner demons =ego.
I believe, in outer demons, that feed, and feed off the ego.
I feel, there is positive in the universe, but there is also negative.

Negative is not a judgment, it just is, and it can be very helpful.

These videos suggest that there are no aliens just demonic forces.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umEuVVQaFXc&feature=related

At the very point before it all began was not positive or negative. The division became after that. Both are useful for learning.

[Tony]

There are four enlightened activities and there are four endarkened activities. If there is the laws of attraction, there must be the law of aversion. Both are governed by the law of ignorance/not knowing. The enlightened activities within us can get hijacked by the dark forces that pervert our view.

THE FOUR ACTIONS OF WISDOM -
PACIFYING, ENRICHING, MAGNETISING AND DESTROYING.

The Wisdom of Pacifying accommodates everything. It reveals that there are no problems, and that aggression from the ego is unnecessary.

The Wisdom of Enriching brings to light the process of growth, and allows the process of knowledge.

The Wisdom of Magnetising by passes the conventional reality. In conventional reality, we continually try to draw desired situations towards ourselves and fend off undesirable ones. A realised person simply remains as he or she is, without this ego intervention, attracting naturally.

The Wisdom of Destroying is connected to compassion, aimed at ego's manipulations.

THE FOUR DEMONS
These four demonic activities are directed at building and fortifying our concept of 'self.'

The Demon of pacifying .
It attempts to make peace by using pleasure and security, to eliminate what is unpleasant. It is an imitation of genuine pacifying, which is beyond any self-serving strategy ( … “there, there - it will be alright, trust me”).

The Demon of enriching.
Ego takes the natural growth and turns it into its own ground. It takes the richness, and turns it into my wealth (… “see how clever I am”).

The Demon of magnetising.
One attempts to attract, to feed one's ego with what is desirable, based on the possessive emotions ( … “I enjoy praying for others” ).

The Demon of destroying.
Instead of destroying what needs to be destroyed, obliterates everything. Trungpa Rinpoche wrote, “it begins to get inspired in the wrong way, and uproots the whole tree...And that is the karmic quality of destruction gone wild, unnecessarily” (… “you are talking total rubbish!”).

This reveals that reality is nothing other than wisdom. We need to look closely at the world we actually inhabit and to contemplate our most ordinary experiences. If we do so, if we let go of what we think and simply let the true being show itself, we will discover that it is nothing other than primordial immaculate wisdom.

Remember: the outer demons do not miss a trick! Any whiff of ego involvement and they will feed off it. And off we go round in circles, re-acting... “Feeding time!!”

The point is, that being aware of this hijacking can help us to drop the action and flip the picture.

[spiritguide]

Vision of the wise. Thank you for verbalizing this perception,

:peace:

[Sky]

In my study of Cosmology and anthropology (as an absolute amateur) I have seen much written about aliens and demons, and believe that both exist.

Your excellent review in the perspective you offer is very true and an enlightened point of view pie'n'eal - making it true and applicable in the present moment of living life.

Thank you.

From ancient texts we know that the body is afflicted with a "counterfeiting spirit" which I translate to ego for myself. Without being in control of that little voice that disturbes my thinking - can cause much discomfort...

[truthseekerdan]

Negative is not a judgment, it just is, and it can be very helpful.

These videos suggest that there are no aliens just demonic
forces.


I do have a short answer: Anyone can be a 'demonic force'...

Read more here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8689-Understanding-is-everything...--&p=331386#post331386

[Tony]

When I was a graphic designer, I used two principles, lateral thinking and manas/mercury/hermes.
The first is not using a step by step approach, but a broader back to basics approach. The second is using the messengers of the gods..or mind. Here one asks the mind to find an answer, if it does not satisfy, ask it to go back and look again. Strangely enough I found it works, because there is a lot the mind knows that we may not be aware of that it knows.

This afternoon over tea and cake, I pondered about demons and angels, good and evil, positive and negative, and wondered was there a... third force? I applied the second approach, and the word 'Oblivions' came up.

So, there are three elements in the universe, Enlightened beings, Endarkened beings and Oblivions.
'Does this fit ?” I asked. Well, in every atom there is positive, negative and neutral. The three main afflictive emotions are, desire, aversion and ignorance.

Oblivions are all sentient beings, who do not know their true nature. They are oblivious because they are too busy, too vacant or asleep. This of course includes non humans in other dimensions.

There are two forces influencing us, selflessness and selfishness.

All we know is in our minds, not outside. We can speculate all we like about what is going on in the universe, but it is only known in the mind, not out there.

So, the good and evil is within us, we have the potential of enlightened nature, and endarkened nature. It is not out there. It is happening every moment within us. “Is this action, selfish or selfless?” Probably we are oscillating between the two!

So, at ever moment we have a choice, if the story is about me, then the Endarkened are at work. If the story is about love, then the enlightened are at work.

It's all in the mind.

[TargeT]

"demon" has such a negative connotation, I prefer "extra dimensional entity"

I think there are probably none or very few actual extra terrestrial beings.. why would they want to come here and hang out? I think what appears to be "ufo's" are actualy extra dimensional entities that probably some how use, or feed off of us; perhaps the "ether" is where the answers are, maybe our emotions generate ether...

Think "monsters INC"; that is a very apt analogy for my thought process... that movie is an excelent one to analize; though most are. I'm unsure if its mystic syncronicity or someone actually trying to tell us stories that reflect reality; but I love movies for this reason.

[another bob]

Greetings, Friends!

Here's a good basic breakdown of the various planes (dimensions), as recognized by the Buddha Sakyamuni and verified by countless spiritual descendents in that lineage, but just use a little common sense translation more appropriate to our current cultural consensus terminology. For example, what were called "devas" back in the day would now qualify as ET, just as the "asuras" would qualify as demons. Also, be aware that most writers/story-tellers are prone to superimposing their own limited fantasies of interpretation on texts and handed-down stories, which undoubtedly happened with most ancient scriptures, and so one needs to apply discernment based on their own deepest level of intuitive comprehension.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/dhamma/sagga/loka.html

Blessings!

[seehas]

the question should be " if demons are extradimensional entities what are aliens?"

what have both in common? they both interact somehow in our reality, both use portals or portalgenerators so calleld ufos or occult ceremonies.

the only difference i see so far is that aliens appeared in realy pysical form into our reality and to so called "demons" cant do this, they have to inhabit a body or use a humans psychic abilities to interact in this reality.

just my two cents :)


some words to your video also, there are many on youtube of that kind .. its like the fundamental christian movement is trying force some of the awaken sheeps back into their churches ;)

[laughs-last]

I understand your curiousity, however look what happened to the cat. If a man is holding you at gun point does it matter if he has brushed his teeth or not? To be honest i'd stay clear of any dark energies, unless your a shaman or a powerul soul, and even then such experiences are dicey at best. I'll get someone to ask next time they or I come across them, however they are not really known for being honest or trusted. I'd focus your energy on something more constructive to your own growth and well being; not that understanding such things has its potential uses, and if one is balanced/light enough there is no major worry. However from my own, and the experiences of people close to me, such realms are to be best left alone. Looking into a sharks mouth would be cool, but is it worth the risk?; even though I have been known to do stupidly foolish things. They are dark and not to be sought out, leave them on the naughty step, is my advice. what the heck, don't have to listen to me, I never used to listen to people; however I got lucky, I know others who didn't, mercy be on them.

It imporant not to fear such things, they cannot stand positive energy, especially LOVE. so if you apply your 'logic' they like the reverse. Peace x

ONE LOVE, BIG HUGZ AND THE BLESSINGS OF THE ANGELS :jester:

[christian]

I know, there are inner demons =ego.
I believe, in outer demons, that feed, and feed off the ego.

If all is one, how could there be anything 'outer'? Aren't all seperations just ephemeral illusions? I guess it depends on the point of view. Like from the human 3d point of view, the table seems solid, real and seperate from myself.


I feel, there is positive in the universe, but there is also negative.

Negative is not a judgment, it just is, and it can be very helpful


You mean negativity can be helpful? I think so, adversity makes man, prosperity makes monsters, they say. For the sake of experiencing and developing maturity, wisdom and discernment, having some [fragments] playing the part of tempting tricksters is very beneficial and hence positive, that's how relative it all is.

For bad men to prosper it takes good men doing nothing about it. So it's virtually impossible to blame someone outer for anything, for seemingly negative expressions are just a balancing factor in the bigger picture. Like for example when people are well-intended but not interested in the mechanics of manipulating people en masse, then there will be those that are bad-intented and have an interest in manipulating people en masse - it's a scale, a mirror.

I think this means, that if everything is enlightened, every last fragment, than this means on the other side that there is nothing unenlightened. Now this reads very very obvious. It should just illustrate, that whenever there is something unenlightened, then there is being created something 'negative' that mirrors whatever is lacking towards enlightenment.

And if everything is enlightened, God wakes up, from what I heard. :hat:

[truthseekerdan]

I feel, there is positive in the universe, but there is also negative.

Negative is not a judgment, it just is, and it can be very helpful


You mean negativity can be helpful? I think so, adversity makes man, prosperity makes monsters, they say. For the sake of experiencing and developing maturity, wisdom and discernment, having some [fragments] playing the part of tempting tricksters is very beneficial and hence positive, that's how relative it all is.

For bad men to prosper it takes good men doing nothing about it. So it's virtually impossible to blame someone outer for anything, for seemingly negative expressions are just a balancing factor in the bigger picture. Like for example when people are well-intended but not interested in the mechanics of manipulating people en masse, then there will be those that are bad-intented and have an interest in manipulating people en masse - it's a scale, a mirror.

I think this means, that if everything is enlightened, every last fragment, than this means on the other side that there is nothing unenlightened. Now this reads very very obvious. It should just illustrate, that whenever there is something unenlightened, then there is being created something 'negative' that mirrors whatever is lacking towards enlightenment.

And if everything is enlightened, God wakes up, from what I heard. :hat:

Since good (positive) is truth and evil (negative) is error in this realm, it is then apparent that evil is illusion. Evil is a wrong road, a mistake, a pain experience, simply a search on the road toward truth -- and since it is not truth it is error -- and since it is error it is illusion. Being illusion, evil dissipates with consummate ease. It is replaced by good with almost miraculous speed. Good can only be replaced by evil when the conception of good is very weak and the conception of evil is very strong, for truth does not lightly yield to error, while error has few defenses against the illumination of truth.

[DeDukshyn]

Labels again ... such a pain in the arse. There's "service to self beings" and "service to others" beings. anything else is merely a "label"

[TargeT]

Labels again ... such a pain in the arse. There's "service to self beings" and "service to others" beings. anything else is merely a "label"

but aren't those labels too ?

haha, how far do you take "unified conciousness" or "source" or "oneness" .. wouldn't all of that be "us" as well, isn't everything? (isn't "Us" a label?)

once you label something, (especialy your self) you seperate, (re-enforce duality)

[DeDukshyn]

Labels again ... such a pain in the arse. There's "service to self beings" and "service to others" beings. anything else is merely a "label"

but aren't those labels too ?

haha, how far do you take "unified conciousness" or "source" or "oneness" .. wouldn't all of that be "us" as well, isn't everything? (isn't "Us" a label?)

once you label something, (especialy your self) you seperate, (re-enforce duality)

A label is very subjective - that is what defines it as merely a label. "good" "bad" "evil" are very subjective. Being genuinely "service to self" simply means that self is the main consideration in all contemplations - this is not subjective and is a descriptor of method -- not merely a "label"

It's not that complex when you try to see the points ... much more complex when you try not to. Sure one can make a million arguments and justify every statement or or make any statement false if you try to, it is all just perspective and thus you get the subjectiveness of "labels" -- exactly what I am trying to get at. Some things are much more than just labels and most things are just labels. You can see my two categories as just "labels" when they are actually much much more, but then you miss everything. Your choice.

[WhiteFeather]

Demons or Negative Energy Does Not live In My Vortex.

[christian]

"service to self" simply means that self is the main consideration in all contemplations - this is not subjective and is a descriptor of method -- not merely a "label"

I see your point. Yet what is the "self"? I'm pointing again at: We are all one. From this perspective, the descriptor doesn't work that well but reinforces the perspective of separation.

I'm not saying, that there is never any benefit in describing situations with labels or descriptors, but none of those are the definite end of explaining and understanding how things are. :jester: They merely act as crutches, till one walks better. - And then needs other crutches, for in the new circumstances that one got into through walking fine, one found out, that one is walking like a cripple again compared to what is possible there, having to learn new lessons.

[Tony]

This is just a quick reply as The Duck and I are off to protest....well support!

We live in a relative world, we live in a relative world. We live in this 3D relative world,
because we still believe it is real. It does not matter about all our theories,
we still live in a relative world. So this is what we have to work through = practice!

Yes, there is absolute reality, but that is our potential. Walking around thinking “I” am enlightened
is still living in the illusion. If you are out to prove how clever you are,
this is called becoming an Enlightened Grand Samsaric Master.

There is an incredible amount of potential on this forum, and those demons now have to work
in incredible subtle ways. On the path to enlightenment the ego gets a boost now and again,
from being over positive. Being over positive can bring expectations of self and others.

There is nothing wrong with ego, it is said, that larger the ego the more the enlightenment.
Ego is just consciousness without pure empty essence.

[DeDukshyn]

"service to self" simply means that self is the main consideration in all contemplations - this is not subjective and is a descriptor of method -- not merely a "label"

I see your point. Yet what is the "self"? I'm pointing again at: We are all one. From this perspective, the descriptor doesn't work.

Easy. You have a point of awareness. yes or no? That is your self. Nothing more. Every sentient being has a point of awareness. Not disputable and not subjective therefore more than a label - a Truth.
Just because we are all from source does not mean we don't currently have a point of awareness that is our own - the two are not exclusive.

[christian]

You have a point of awareness. yes or no? That is your self. Nothing more. Every sentient being has a point of awareness. Not disputable and not subjective therefore more than a label - a Truth.
Just because we are all from source does not mean we don't currently have a point of awareness that is our own - the two are not exclusive.

I'm not so sure. This 'point of awareness fixed on this fading body' (not even fixed permanently) can hardly be my self, I feel. But you make good points anyway. How about, there are those mistaking this ephemeral 'self' as the real self and therefore serve it and there are those getting a grasp of the real self, serving the whole. Both would be 'service to self', just the self would be different in both cases. Service to others sounds so strangely excluding, when it is said "Thou Shalt Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself".

If I appear to be bean counting, it's just because the devil is in the detail.

[DeDukshyn]

You have a point of awareness. yes or no? That is your self. Nothing more. Every sentient being has a point of awareness. Not disputable and not subjective therefore more than a label - a Truth.
Just because we are all from source does not mean we don't currently have a point of awareness that is our own - the two are not exclusive.

I'm not so sure. This 'point of awareness fixed on this fading body' (not even fixed permanently) can hardly be my self, I feel. But you make good points anyway. How about, there are those mistaking this ephemeral 'self' as the real self and therefore serve it and there are those getting a grasp of the real self, serving the whole. Both would be 'service to self', just the self would be different in both cases. Service to others sounds so strangely excluding, when it is said "Thou Shalt Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself".

If I appear to be bean counting, it's just because the devil is in the detail.

Semantics always makes it difficult to properly convey complex terms. So distinctions and definitions of terms and getting a common agreement on those terms is always the best way to carry on a discussion such as this. So allow me to clarify my thoughts:

The point of awareness that is the "self" has nothing to do with your body or brain - it is just awareness and is still aware as you dream have OBE's etc. It will still be aware when your body passes. There is the spiritual definition of ego - this is what we have filled in for not having a complete image of our "self"; this starts at an early age - I call it domestication - but it is the replacing of "self" with definitions, labels and stereotypes. But each of these "selfs" still work in what I am saying. If you make you decisions within regard to all the "selfs" in the universe or our collective - then you are service to others - if you make your decisions with only regard for your personal "self" the you are service to self.

I partly agree with your "exclusion" comment and I think that "Service for all" is a much better term - I used what would be recognized by most readers.

Also this is not a boolean equation (only one of two values accepted) - and each decision one can make can be anywhere on the scale between the two. This scale would then be an indicator of vibrational direction. If the average of one's decisions are service for all, then they are adding light - increasing frequency of our collective being and vice versa. We might call these "angels" or "lightworkers" or "aliens" or "the good guys" or whatever label we want. I'm trying to get to the nitty gritty where an evaluation systems just works, so we don't have to worry about whether some people call good aliens angels, but someone else calls all aliens evil, - the semantics destroy any useful discussion and the discussion becomes just about labels, which to me is a pretty valueless conversation to argue definitions of labels all day long. lol. I know it's all very tricky, language is very restricting at times I feel. My 2 cents ;)

[Aurelius]

food for thought ...

the Djinn (the "tricksters") stories go back far in time:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinn

.. it is well recorded they are interested in us (as in ... our reality? our dna? some other reason?) and they don't like us (as in jealous? despise? some other reason?) ...

.. there are records of US military working hand in hand with the Arab governments/forces trying to "capture" the djinn .. the main interest being the technology they use to travel inter-dimensionally.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2010/07/20


I don't think it's clear cut what is an alien - a disembodied entity - supernatural - or a demon. There is a lot that crosses the boundaries.

[seehas]

food for thought ...

the Djinn (the "tricksters") stories go back far in time:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinn

.. it is well recorded they are interested in us (as in ... our reality? our dna? some other reason?) and they don't like us (as in jealous? despise? some other reason?) ...

.. there are records of US military working hand in hand with the Arab governments/forces trying to "capture" the djinn .. the main interest being the technology they use to travel inter-dimensionally.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2010/07/20


I don't think it's clear cut what is an alien - a disembodied entity - supernatural - or a demon. There is a lot that crosses the boundaries.


great link aurelius but i found it directly on youtube so people dont need a login


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW7hvMe9Sa8

[seehas]

in the islamic king salomon story it was told that salomon builded the temple with enslaved djinns, so to speak the djinns moved the blocks, maybe searching after an secret technologie they had back in the days aint the right way it was a interdimensional help they had.

[sshenry]

If all is one, how could there be anything 'outer'? Aren't all seperations just ephemeral illusions? I guess it depends on the point of view. Like from the human 3d point of view, the table seems solid, real and seperate from myself.


Everything is illusion. Rather, everything that has an opposite is an illusion as it is a part of duality (which is necessary in order to experience physical existence since we need to have something to compare a thing to in order to understand it).

While these things (good/evil, negative/positive) may exist in physical reality, are they "real"?

I'm reminded of the bit from the Tao that states:

When beauty is abstracted
Then ugliness has been implied;
When good is abstracted
Then evil has been implied. (Tao-te Ching 2)

[Atlas]

Rosemary Ellen Guiley : this time the ET situation we face today is explained as Terrestrial DJINN. (IUFOC 2013)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a38VhHARVc

[bogeyman]

Demons are spiritual entities (negative), aliens well multitude of origins, dimensional, this plane of existence, here on earth, etc. This aliens who are advanced enough, not just technological but spiritually have the means to separate spiritual from the physical components. We seem to one to think in common sense and linear ways, the REAL reality is very different from the mundane and conditioned reality that many live in. Reality (what we deem or the mainstream) is constantly engulfed by experiences which involve demonic and other spiritual entities. The problems here are not just physical, it is far greater than that. Why do you think that the constant repartition's of wars and suffering occur, never moving forward and growing beyond this?

[Atlas]

bogeyman wrote:

The problems here are not just physical, it is far greater than that. Why do you think that the constant repartition's of wars and suffering occur, never moving forward and growing beyond this?

I agree. I was looking upwards thinking: "are they in space? on mars? somewhere else?".
Then I was looking downwards thinking: "are they hidden in an underground secret base?"
and even on the surface: "are they hiding in the wild like bigfoots?"
I guess my conclusion is they master INVISIBILITY !?

[Observer1964]

Well I think it is both, negative extradimensional and alien extradimensional (Archons, Demons, Djinn), and also positive extradimensional (Angels) and aliens. I even think there are more universes including a matter and anti-matter universe, As I understand the whole of creation is by splitting the Nothing into opposing things, put the two opposites together and the Nothing is restored. All positivity and negativity is in a perfect balance with each other and makes up what we call creation. And creation to me is the playingground where we as souls gather live experience to become some kind of superior being.

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