Why have trees and plants never evolved

[The One]

Since the time of the earliest humans, people have attempted to understand the natural environment. We have observed our surroundings and searched for explanations for natural phenomena. Yet despite our persistence over thousands of years, many basic questions remain to be answered. Although we understand core processes such as photosynthesis, we do not have a full understanding of issues such as how plants maximize their photosynthetic capacity.


The first humans lived between 3½ and 4 million years ago. They were called Australopithecus afarensis and had apelike heads, walked upright, and were primarily plant-eaters. Around 2½ million years ago, the next in the line of human ancestors emerged: Homo habilis. Homo habilis stood nearly five feet tall, was a meat-eater, and crafted simple tools from pebbles.

If we believe as per our history books that humans near the beginning of the Pleistocene epoch (the epoch which began about 2 million years ago and ended 10,000 years ago), Homo habilis evolved, or gradually changed, into Homo erectus (Java Man). Homo erectus used fire, built huts, and hunted in groups. Throughout the Pleistocene epoch, Homo erectus steadily evolved into Homo sapiens, the species that includes Neanderthals, Cro-Magnons, and modern humans.

So my question is this trees and plants were here well before the evolution of man so why have they never evolved into something out of this world.research shows that plants are highly integrated organisms that respond to their environments in ways that are every bit as complex as even the most sophisticated animals,. This research also shows that we still have plenty to learn about phenomena that we thought we understood

Or maybe they have evolved and we just dont know it.

[<8>]

Hi The One...


It's easy, there are a limit to evolution!!

This is well known around the scientist who work with biologi around the world AND the same goes for the animals evolution.
Of course it's the same for humans.

P.s I thought you all know that.??

[The One]

It's easy, there are a limit to evolution!!

I didnt know there was a limit my friend.Who decided then what we evolved from and what we can evolve to

Is this it then for us humans we can not evolve futher is this the limit xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[The Arthen]

It's easy, there are a limit to evolution!!

I didnt know there was a limit my friend.Who decided then what we evolved from and what we can evolve to

Is this it then for us humans we can not evolve futher is this the limit xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


best comeback I've seen. sometimes i don't know what we want.

we want to evolve, but yet in many cases by that virtue, we've prevented ourselves from evolving.

Some of vegans will lambast you all day for killing animal life, but not plant life. Some vegans support animal life, but they support corporations that kill human life just to plant trees.

then now they say the evolution of plant life is "limited".

****, what do you some of you guys want???? Lolllll

[Mark]

I'm not a fan of Darwinian evolution. I know the theory well, have studied it, taught it, so I am familiar with its precepts and concepts. I follow older ideas well presented by Cremo's tome on Human Devolution. We already exist at a perfect state. So do the animals and trees. What we see manifest first exists in the spiritual realm, then takes form in the perfect state for the level of consciousness it represents. Add in the genetic manipulations of potential alien species and you have the many types of humanoid that have existed on this planet across time. Oh, Homo Sapien Sapien is much older than 70,000 or so years too. We are millions of years old. And there are people who look like us on other planets too. I wonder if all that makes Darwin turn over in his grave?

[<8>]

It's easy, there are a limit to evolution!!

I didnt know there was a limit my friend.Who decided then what we evolved from and what we can evolve to

Is this it then for us humans we can not evolve futher is this the limit xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Ill just whant to start and say, i am "not" religious at all..

Well i guess our creator have made us, but the only thing i would agree we are evolving in a seens. Are our consciousness, even though the elite doing all they can to slow us down.

If you belive in the IT evidence we got so far, there seem to bee many humanoid who look just like us. And who knows how many more years they have been around then us..

[G.A]

Trees and plants do and have evolved. Before there was atmosphere they lived in water. Then they moved out to the land.

Some plants evolved to shape their leaves like a bee, to attract bees and better their chances of pollination. Some poison ivy evolved to mimic the plants surrounding it.

My question was always HOW do plants evolve if they lack consciousness. It is part of the reason why I decided that plants must also have consciousness.

-h8I3cqpgnA

http://walking.about.com/od/medfirstaid/ss/poisonoakivy_2.htm

Often called the "great mimics," Poison Ivy and Oak have a harmless appearance. They are difficult to distinguish from other plants, because they tend to adopt the growth pattern of the plants that surround them. If they take root among tall shrubs, they will grow as tall shrubs. If their home is a field with no tall growth nearby, they grow as a short, innocent-looking weed.

Seems as though it would require a conscious awareness of their surroundings to evolve such traits. No amount of accidental mutations can cause such evolution.

[humanalien]

I've heard it said on the history channel that crocodiles and alligators haven't
changed since they were first created. They only changed in size because of the
changing atmosphere from large dinosaur size to their current size.

Other than that, why change, what is already perfect. Maybe tree's are the
same way. They exist to create oxygen, so why would they need to change
that?

Just My Opinion

[Dawn]

There is a confusion here about who 'we' are. The bodies here that we inhabit have their own consciousness and their own path. The bodies reflect for us where the human mind is and what it is creating in the moment. And as to plant evolution... who says they are not evolving????? There have been many plant species which are now extinct, and many new varieties and cultivars of plants show up all the time.

I think one of the most interesting things about discernment is to listen to questions and notice the underlying beliefs that they are based in. The questions for this thread already contain some assumptions that I'm not sure are correct:

1) plants have not evolved
2) humans are evolving
3) evolution is a real thing that happens

Well, constant change seems to be a reality. And structure which slows down change seems to be real as well. The I Ching recognizes these 2 types of energy. I believe 'metal' equates with structure, and 'water' equates with change.

For scientists who believe in evolution there has been in depth study of plants. Within this paradigm there seems to be a lot of evolution in plants, from one celled algae, to moss, ferns, monocotyledons, dicotoledons, and so on. Studies of plants taken with slow motion cameras show that they are quite aggressive with each other, fighting for available space and light. Perhaps the reason they seem to change slowly is that they have more 'structure' energy? Perhaps they experience time differently than we do.

It seems that the story about human evolution is likely a false history put into our education systems to confuse us. What we have seen as 'evolution' might be the body memory slowly restoring itself after nuclear disasters (for which there is much evidence), and cloning (which seems to be what ancient pictographs and texts talk about). On the other hand, it could be evolution.

[Billy]

If only we could achieve what trees have achieved, They bring heaven to earth and give it all back again.

[Old Snake]

To the One_ inbetween_

Plants as well as trees have evolved from the moment this planet was seeded with..................................

We can find the diff in old rocks and other encapsulations of strata , where we find species of very old c:eyebrowsycles our planet went through , over "so many milions of years"

So your assumption is wrong from the beginning, they have evolved, .........................:closed: Me thinks.

[<8>]

If you look at the bigger picture, that we are spiritual beings who use this body we are wearing here and now.
Then it really dont matter if the body have change or not, it´s like if i ask you: Did you not have a red shirt last time i saw you??

Once again, consciousness are the only thing that expanding/evolving. Thats why we are here in the first place and that goes for the trees and what have you..to

P.s Remember Darwin theory are "still" just a theory...

[Sierra]

Scientists have recently found out that old established trees send out root taps to baby trees ... and discharge nutrients for them.

I thought that was SO cool.

It also implies awareness of others of their species in their environment.

[9eagle9]

Humans developed a pain body , with the physical body being the densest pain body that could be replicated by a wounded mind...

and plants did not develop one quite so complex and sophisticated. Keeping things simple seemed to work for them. They developed a body that suited them and enabled them to live harmoniously in the environment. Humans did not. If you cut down a ablade of grass with a mower it grows back again. If you cut down a human with a mower they do not. A tree can do dormant for months at a time, a human cannot it needs constant stimulation from its body. A tree does not.

Plants actually have more of a clue about pain body, and density, than humans do. Humans attach a great deal of importance to the body; plants do not.



Since the time of the earliest humans, people have attempted to understand the natural environment. We have observed our surroundings and searched for explanations for natural phenomena. Yet despite our persistence over thousands of years, many basic questions remain to be answered. Although we understand core processes such as photosynthesis, we do not have a full understanding of issues such as how plants maximize their photosynthetic capacity.


The first humans lived between 3½ and 4 million years ago. They were called Australopithecus afarensis and had apelike heads, walked upright, and were primarily plant-eaters. Around 2½ million years ago, the next in the line of human ancestors emerged: Homo habilis. Homo habilis stood nearly five feet tall, was a meat-eater, and crafted simple tools from pebbles.

If we believe as per our history books that humans near the beginning of the Pleistocene epoch (the epoch which began about 2 million years ago and ended 10,000 years ago), Homo habilis evolved, or gradually changed, into Homo erectus (Java Man). Homo erectus used fire, built huts, and hunted in groups. Throughout the Pleistocene epoch, Homo erectus steadily evolved into Homo sapiens, the species that includes Neanderthals, Cro-Magnons, and modern humans.

So my question is this trees and plants were here well before the evolution of man so why have they never evolved into something out of this world.research shows that plants are highly integrated organisms that respond to their environments in ways that are every bit as complex as even the most sophisticated animals,. This research also shows that we still have plenty to learn about phenomena that we thought we understood

Or maybe they have evolved and we just dont know it.

[shadowstalker]

All things evolve either:
Emotionally
Physically
Spiritually
Or what not
All things do, just because it's not on the official record books doesn't mean it has never happened, or isn't happening.

[christian]

I feel, that all-that-is is constantly evolving. Everything is consciousness and I could only speculate where the limit of that is. In the myriads of worlds, why should there not be a place and a time where plants appear to be more evolved than what we see right here on earth?

[truthseekerdan]

Everything is evolved the way it is supposed to be. Only the 'human mind' might not be able to observe that. When the 'mind evolves' or is transcended, things will look totally different...

[norman]

I think trees have a better survival strategy than humans and many other walking talking animals do, anyway.

They have a slow plodding evolution that doesn't fall over from time to time like the rest suffers from. I can't think a plant form ( though there could be some ) that became so 'successful' that they wiped themselves out by it.

[Sidney]

I think they have evolved, otherwise they would all have succomed to all the pollution, and having been repeatedly cut down.

[Flash]

Trees and plants do and have evolved. Before there was atmosphere they lived in water. Then they moved out to the land.

Some plants evolved to shape their leaves like a bee, to attract bees and better their chances of pollination. Some poison ivy evolved to mimic the plants surrounding it.

My question was always HOW do plants evolve if they lack consciousness. It is part of the reason why I decided that plants must also have consciousness.

-h8I3cqpgnA

http://walking.about.com/od/medfirstaid/ss/poisonoakivy_2.htm

Often called the "great mimics," Poison Ivy and Oak have a harmless appearance. They are difficult to distinguish from other plants, because they tend to adopt the growth pattern of the plants that surround them. If they take root among tall shrubs, they will grow as tall shrubs. If their home is a field with no tall growth nearby, they grow as a short, innocent-looking weed.

Seems as though it would require a conscious awareness of their surroundings to evolve such traits. No amount of accidental mutations can cause such evolution.

Exactly, plants did evolved. In dinosaure times it seems that plants were mainly in the ferns families and flowers did not exist. There were also trees. So you question seemed strange to me One.

:confused:

[lightning23]

:closed::closed:

[58andfixed]

First this ORB simply had minerals.

After approximately 1 Billion years, the earliest forms of life began, with ample fossil evidence shortly after the 'speculated' transition from no life forms to a life form.

Darwin's theory of evolution provides no explanation for "Abiogenesis," where "two aspects of life have to be accounted for: replication and metabolism."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

In essence, did life "evolve from rock ?"

It seems that "slime" aka single cell prokaryotes or possibly protobionts, evolved into algae, coral like plants, primitive Protozoa, sponge like life forms, plants and then trees.


"According to evolutionary biologist Robert May, President of Britain's Royal Society, "We share half our genes with the banana" (2001), but genes only make up 2% of human DNA..." from here:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_DNA_do_humans_share_with_a_banana

Probably, from some one of many speculative "starts," a life form was "introduced," whether one prefers to advance a belief in "Intelligent Design" or "Ancient Astronauts."

After this initial life form, there seems to be "sudden" additions of life forms, with little or no transitioning or "missing link" life forms.

This evidence of additional life forms flies in the face of "Theory" of constant incremental changes.

I highly encourage the curious to become even more so, to appreciate the value of life.

Also, I suspect that there is a tie between all life forms, beyond mere genes, and the example that comes to mind is an experiment done with lie detectors attached to plants while cooking live shrimp dropped into boiling water. There was a response by the plants that was not evident when cooking frozen shrimp.

I think plant and animal life is a lot more complex than science acknowledges so far, even to the extent that Rupert Sheldrake speculates with his 'morphic resonance.'

- 58

[Tony]

Everything is changing, everything thing reacts, it does not mean it is evolving. I was a conference with the Dalai Lama, and the question came up, "Were plants sentient?"
He said, "Hmm.. difficult. We had some debate on this, and came to the conclusion, that if a thing moves it is sentient. But the question is still open".

[<8>]

Everything is changing, everything thing reacts, it does not mean it is evolving. I was a conference with the Dalai Lama, and the question came up, "Were plants sentient?"
He said, "Hmm.. difficult. We had some debate on this, and came to the conclusion, that if a thing moves it is sentient. But the question is still open".


Hi Tony...

Would you say the Dalai Lama think about the plant life no more than we see how our hair grows on our body, if you cut your hair, it will grow back..??

[Tony]

[QUOTE=pie'n'eal;333191]Everything is changing, everything thing reacts, it does not mean it is evolving. I was a conference with the Dalai Lama, and the question came up, "Were plants sentient?"
He said, "Hmm.. difficult. We had some debate on this, and came to the conclusion, that if a thing moves it is sentient. But the question is open".
Hi Tony...


Would you say the Dalai Lama think about the plant life no more than we see how our hair grows on our body, if you cut your hair, it will grow back..??

Hmm...that would be pruning! We all need pruning from time to time....and the ego still grows back! I suppose gradually the ego has less control, and serves as a reminder, that our awareness has a purity about it.

Maybe plant life has a purity but not consciousness. One day we will know for sure. All our bodies are part of a food chain, and we have to eat something! There is bacteria within having a good old feast!!!!

[DNA]

Since the time of the earliest humans, people have attempted to understand the natural environment. We have observed our surroundings and searched for explanations for natural phenomena. Yet despite our persistence over thousands of years, many basic questions remain to be answered. Although we understand core processes such as photosynthesis, we do not have a full understanding of issues such as how plants maximize their photosynthetic capacity.


The first humans lived between 3½ and 4 million years ago. They were called Australopithecus afarensis and had apelike heads, walked upright, and were primarily plant-eaters. Around 2½ million years ago, the next in the line of human ancestors emerged: Homo habilis. Homo habilis stood nearly five feet tall, was a meat-eater, and crafted simple tools from pebbles.

If we believe as per our history books that humans near the beginning of the Pleistocene epoch (the epoch which began about 2 million years ago and ended 10,000 years ago), Homo habilis evolved, or gradually changed, into Homo erectus (Java Man). Homo erectus used fire, built huts, and hunted in groups. Throughout the Pleistocene epoch, Homo erectus steadily evolved into Homo sapiens, the species that includes Neanderthals, Cro-Magnons, and modern humans.

So my question is this trees and plants were here well before the evolution of man so why have they never evolved into something out of this world.research shows that plants are highly integrated organisms that respond to their environments in ways that are every bit as complex as even the most sophisticated animals,. This research also shows that we still have plenty to learn about phenomena that we thought we understood

Or maybe they have evolved and we just dont know it.


No offense bro, but I could tell from the change in tone of the writing that this was copy and pasted.

The first humans lived between 3½ and 4 million years ago. They were called Australopithecus afarensis and had apelike heads, walked upright, and were primarily plant-eaters. Around 2½ million years ago, the next in the line of human ancestors emerged: Homo habilis. Homo habilis stood nearly five feet tall, was a meat-eater, and crafted simple tools from pebbles.

If we believe as per our history books that humans near the beginning of the Pleistocene epoch (the epoch which began about 2 million years ago and ended 10,000 years ago), Homo habilis evolved, or gradually changed, into Homo erectus (Java Man). Homo erectus used fire, built huts, and hunted in groups. Throughout the Pleistocene epoch, Homo erectus steadily evolved into Homo sapiens, the species that includes Neanderthals, Cro-Magnons, and modern humans.

(http://www.enotes.com/science-fact-finder/biology/how-did-humans-evolve)From where I hyper-linked it.
You should give a link or credit when you use somebody else's writing word for word like that.

[DNA]

And just for the sake of opening up ideas on the subject. I have talked with someone on this forum who has said that she has seen, Ent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ent) like higher dimensional beings on her forested property before.
Could tree like beings have ascended into a finer density, or a higher vibration?

These two videos are pretty compelling if you ask me. They show two different isolated instances of the same phenomenon. Are they related to "trees"? I don't know. But it is intriguing to no end.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VHsEr_9IIVM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emyQepHlC4w&feature=player_embedded

[9eagle9]

And I like them!

One wonders if they'd do the gardening.

On the subject of ents....well Tolkien. His work was fantastical and novel but there is so much in his works that direct us back to our origins.

Druids who knew so much more about DNA, genetics and consequently arranged their expressions around trees , relate how trees are gatekeepers of information. How tree oils , espeically ever greens serve to activate racial and genetic memory and lift false memories and crud to the surface.. Not sure if a tree has a consciouness it most certainly has an awareness that can be felt. In the winter we have that 'dead' feeling in the air only because most of the surrounding trees in our environment are dormant and their awareness is not active.

[Tony]

Have you seen my garden if we do not look after it!

[DNA]

And I like them!

One wonders if they'd do the gardening.

On the subject of ents....well Tolkien. His work was fantastical and novel but there is so much in his works that direct us back to our origins.

Druids who knew so much more about DNA, genetics and consequently arranged their expressions around trees , relate how trees are gatekeepers of information. How tree oils , espeically ever greens serve to activate racial and genetic memory and lift false memories and crud to the surface.. Not sure if a tree has a consciouness it most certainly has an awareness that can be felt. In the winter we have that 'dead' feeling in the air only because most of the surrounding trees in our environment are dormant and their awareness is not active.

So my informant about the ents speaks! LOL :)

I like the idea of tree oil especially evergreen.

Your suggestions are always welcome Ma'm

[amadeus]

Since the time of the earliest humans, people have attempted to understand the natural environment. We have observed our surroundings and searched for explanations for natural phenomena. Yet despite our persistence over thousands of years, many basic questions remain to be answered. Although we understand core processes such as photosynthesis, we do not have a full understanding of issues such as how plants maximize their photosynthetic capacity.


The first humans lived between 3½ and 4 million years ago. They were called Australopithecus afarensis and had apelike heads, walked upright, and were primarily plant-eaters. Around 2½ million years ago, the next in the line of human ancestors emerged: Homo habilis. Homo habilis stood nearly five feet tall, was a meat-eater, and crafted simple tools from pebbles.

If we believe as per our history books that humans near the beginning of the Pleistocene epoch (the epoch which began about 2 million years ago and ended 10,000 years ago), Homo habilis evolved, or gradually changed, into Homo erectus (Java Man). Homo erectus used fire, built huts, and hunted in groups. Throughout the Pleistocene epoch, Homo erectus steadily evolved into Homo sapiens, the species that includes Neanderthals, Cro-Magnons, and modern humans.

So my question is this trees and plants were here well before the evolution of man so why have they never evolved into something out of this world.research shows that plants are highly integrated organisms that respond to their environments in ways that are every bit as complex as even the most sophisticated animals,. This research also shows that we still have plenty to learn about phenomena that we thought we understood

Or maybe they have evolved and we just dont know it.

hi the one, pleased to meet you
your post makes sense if evolution as described by darwin makes sense
in recent decades discoveries have altered awareness:

The difference between humans and chimpanzees turns out to be really gigantic:
http://johnhawks.net/weblog/reviews/chimpanzees/genetics/chimpanzee-y-chromosome-2010.html

Neanderthal DNA turns out to be roughly halfway between ours and that of a chimpanzee
http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics/ancient-dna-and-neanderthals

This explains the total lack of physical evidence of human/Neanderthal crossbreeding, thought to be anomalous prior to the DNA studies:
http://discovermagazine.com/1995/sep/theneanderthalpe558

evolution arose from the belief that one field, the gravity field, is the cause of all effect
upon discovery of other fields, electric and magnetic, the mechanism which functions thus explains our observed fossilized past began to become apparent, a mechanism quite unlike evolution