The Skinwalker Ranch

[jagman]

In UFOs: Myths, Conspiracies, and Realities, author John B. Alexander Ph.D., a former Green Beret commander and developer of weapons at Los Alamos, New Mexico, elaborates upon a mystifying event that we first read about in Hunt for the Skinwalker: Science Confronts the Unexplained at a Remote Ranch in Utah by Colm A. Kelleher Ph.D. and George Knapp.
For readers unfamiliar with the narrative of the so-called “Skinwalker Ranch,” Terry Sherman purchased this 480-acre property near Fort Duchesne, Utah in the summer of 1994 with the intention of starting a cattle ranch business. Terry, his wife Gwen, and their son and daughter, fled the property in May of 1996. A succession of terrifying occurrences on their ranch had left the family anguished and afraid. If I were forced to limit my personal library to a single book about transient anomalies, Hunt for the Skinwalker would be my hands-down choice.
Enter the National Institute of Discovery Science (NIDS). Founded in 1995 by real-estate developer and aerospace entrepreneur Robert T. Bigelow, NIDS was established to research and advance scientific study of anomalies. Bigelow bought the Sherman ranch in 1996 and Colm Kelleher set up shop. George Knapp was the only journalist allowed to personally witness and document the NIDS effort.
The NIDS team eventually installed three telephone poles in one of the pastures. Each was topped with a sophisticated package of sensors and a combined total of six standard surveillance cameras. These researchers kept hard copies of the 24/7 time-stamped recordings and monitored them for extraordinary activity.
On July 20, 1998, it was observed that the trio of cameras on telephone pole #1 had stopped recording. A cursory inspection revealed that somebody had badly sabotaged this reconnaissance equipment. Wiring was ripped out forcibly. One section of cable was missing and analysis of the remaining cable showed that it had been slashed with a knife. Each set of wires (the video and power feeds) from the three cameras had been separately wrapped in heavy-duty duct tape and then carefully secured to the utility pole with several windings of that same durable binding before entering sturdy PVC tubing (anchored to the pole with U-clamps) and going underground at the base of the pole. Now the PVC pipe rested twisted and mangled at the foot of the pole and every inch of duct tape was gone. Adhesive residues from the duct tape were unmistakably visible on the dangling wires and pole. Videotapes from the camera array on telephone pole #1 did not reveal perpetrators but disclosed that these three cameras almost simultaneously lost power at 8:30 P.M. on the previous night.
Someone on the NIDS research team suddenly realized that one of the cameras on telephone pole #2, about two hundred feet away, was aimed directly at the “scene of the crime.” That recording would undoubtedly expose the identity of the vandals. A mad dash resulted and, sure enough, the available daylight was sufficient for the event to be clearly and duly recorded for all to see. But all that was visible on this tape as it passed that fateful 8:30 P.M. time-stamp was the pristine stillness of the telephone pole and cattle munching peacefully in the pasture beyond. With multiple rounds of digital enhancement of the video, the resolution became good enough to see the tiny red lights on the bottom of each camera lose power at exactly 8:30 P.M. This was absolute proof that the trio of cameras on telephone pole #1 definitely lost power while under continuous video surveillance.
This event made entirely no sense. The perpetrators who ripped the wiring out of the cameras at exactly 8:30 P.M. should have been obvious on this videotape.
As an investigative scholar of the unknown and unexplained, I believe that several important questions remain to be resolved…
First of all, we need to know if the resolution of the surveillance video allowed the NIDS investigators to clearly determine the distinction between the PVC pipe and duct tape wound around telephone pole #1 in perfect condition versus the vandalized state. If a clear and marked transformation could be plainly seen, when was the destruction first confirmed on the surveillance videotape? Was it by the time-stamped dawn’s early light of the following morning? Or was it before darkness set in on that Sunday evening of July 19, 1998?
Were these perpetrators invisible? Was the video surveillance of the destruction of this equipment like “watching” time-lapsed invisible vandals at work? Going frame by frame in viewing the time-stamped surveillance video, can it be determined how many frames (or how long it took) for this sabotage to take place?
If the surveillance video recorded the destruction of this equipment as “instantaneous,” that suggests a case for Tempus Interruptus or that the local space-time continuum was interrupted. Think in terms of that popular device in science fiction where the character is able to “suspend” time and move freely about that “frozen” moment making changes. This also may explain how lights, objects, and creatures/entities might be able to “blink” in and out of our reality at will. For illustration purposes, imagine that our own space-time existence is like a four-dimensional “movie” that can be “paused” allowing “actors, et cetera” to mysteriously enter or walk off the “set.” Maybe our question should not be “Where do UFOs and monsters go when they disappear in plain sight?” Maybe we should be asking “When do they go?”
By his own admission in UFOs: Myths, Conspiracies, and Realities, John Alexander was one of the first scientists to pull a watch at the Skinwalker Ranch. In Chapter 14: Considerations, Speculation, and Puzzles Addressed, he confirms and addresses this baffling act of vandalism. “As all cameras were recorded with date and time stamps, the exact time of the damage was known. The extent of the damage was significant,” he writes, before particularizing that the “wires leading to camera one were affixed to the pole by a large amount of duct tape (probably about half a roll). That duct tape was totally missing. Anyone who has worked with such tape can attest to how hard it is to remove that material. Further, near the ground, the wires had been protected from animals by being encased in PVC tubing and held to the pole via U-clamps. The PVC had been pulled loose from the pole and the U-clamps were again missing.”
John Alexander adds significant details that were not previously reported. He describes the cameras as “strategically placed on the ranch taking time-lapse photography 24/7. Each camera snapped a frame every second and a third, day and night.”
Referring to the segment of the wire that had been cut and was missing, Alexander states that “tests on the remaining segments of wire suggested that a rusty instrument had made the cuts.” What sort of demented individual carries a corroded knife? Why might this be important?
“Coincidentally,” Alexander informs us, “the cattle just happened to have been grazing right around the camera one pole at that same moment. They did not move in any excessive or excited manner.”
This lack of nervousness by the cattle might be noteworthy. Terry and Gwen Sherman once watched as something unseen to them under the noon sun terrorized a single cow before it plowed through the herd and parted those cattle like the Red Sea. There were also reports of invisible creatures that could roar ferociously and splash wildly in a stream. On the opposite end of the weirdness spectrum, there were also several encounters with various visible but unusual animals that proved impervious to gunfire and that could disappear without a trace in mid-stride.
Now comes my favorite part of the vandalized cameras mystery in UFOs: Myths, Conspiracies, and Realities…
John B. Alexander concludes: “Considering the amount of physical damage that occurred, for the entire event to have happened in a little over a second (or between video frames) is simply out of the question.”
Why would this learned gentleman (who was probably privy to the viewing and analysis of the original time-stamped time-lapse video photographs) even suggest such a thing?
This violent act of vandalism to the surveillance cameras brings to mind the inexplicable set of circumstances that involved the horrific mutilation of a newborn calf on this same Utah acreage. The gruesome crime happened one sunny morning just a stone’s throw and heartbeat away from Terry Sherman as he tagged new arrivals to the herd. We agree with John Alexander’s assessment that “the notion that some team of people raced across an open field and was able to conduct this extensive amount of surgery in a short time is highly improbable.”
Both events involved some level of intricacy and difficulty. Both events were completed undetected in plain sight. Both events seemed to be accomplished in an impossibly short time or in that temporal space between tick and tock.

[Dawn]

One open question I have is whether beings who come from 'outer space' in ancient texts come from the stars... or... from a rift in space such as a wormhole. Our physical 3D bodies cannot 'see' wormholes, however they are all around us, and also present all over the planet. I worked with a friend in Texas a couple of years ago who had a portal on her land. When she stepped inside it no one else around it could see her, however she could see them. When she stepped back out she was visible. This particular portal was only about 18" around and simply looked like part of the pasture with a couple of non-nondescript rocks within it.

I have experienced folding time on several occasions. I know others who have experienced this as well. This would work like this: While driving in the car I would see a sign saying such and such a town was 95 miles away, my co-pilot would check it on the map and we'd note the time so we could estimate our arrival in 45 minutes, and suddenly 60 seconds later we were there. Or, I would take my favorite pretty drive in the country after a meditation, and find that I'd cover the 1 hour drive in 90 seconds, although I experienced myself as driving slowly to enjoy the ride.

These type of events are not that uncommon. I personally don't know anyone who can control this at will, however I'll bet there are some who can. If it can happen by accident to ordinary people, why wouldn't it be possible for someone with advanced technology or consciousness to have mastered this type of event?

[jagman]

I have a theory on how certain people can manipulate time. Through out history, Warriors like Achilles,, Genghis Kahn etc... Have been, A cut above other men! why? I believe that they possessed a gift of manipulating time which starts with a dump of
adrenalin
An adrenaline rush is the fight-or-flight response of the adrenal gland, in which it releases adrenaline (epinephrine). When releasing adrenaline, one's body releases dopamine which can act as a natural pain killer. An adrenaline rush causes the muscles to perform respiration at an increased rate improving strength. It also works with the nervous system to interpret impulses that trigger selective glands.
In more modern times, We call these men athletes! Michael Jordan, Muhammad Ali, Mickey Mantle, Georges St-Pierre etc...

I believe when Adrenalin is released into certain people, They have the ability to manipulate time!
When I was a teenager I was involved in an automobile accident I was t-boned by another vehicle, It turned my car in about 4 rotations
I could see everything inside the car like it was in slow motion, Maybe it was.But many people have reported this same sensation.
It could be that when we get a massive dump of Adrenalin our bodies vibrate in a higher
frequency?
Just a theory

[Amysenthia]

I agreed Jagman. I had this happen to me one time. I was working out of an office that was a one hour commute. I had an important meeting on a Friday morning and woke up late. By my estimate from when I left I should have arrived 45 minutes late to the office. Pumped with adrenaline and worried about how mad my boss was going to be I got on the highway. I pushed the speed a little but not enough to be shocked that after what seemed like 5 minutes I was at the exit where I got off for the office. What was normally a one hour drive took me 25 minutes. I was actually early for the meeting. I could not explain this and did not mention it to everyone because I thought they would think I was nuts. However, I do notice that I can do this sometimes when I am really late and it is important. Not quite to the degree that happened that day but it seems that minutes can be shaved. Adrenaline is definitely involved.

[Corncrake]

I first came across this story through an article at Sott.net and passed it around various friends. Only a couple took it seriously because it was 'too far out there'. I looked into its background as much as I could and believe it to be authentic. However, it is scary. There is nothing reassuring about any of the incidents that took place at the ranch and I have been left wondering what it is all about. I fall more towards the portal theory eg 'Both men watched intently as the light grew brighter. It was as if someone had opened a window or doorway. Gorman grabbed his night vision binoculars to get a better look but could hardly believe what he was seeing. The dull light began to resemble a bright portal, and at one end of the portal, a large, black humanoid figure seemed to be struggling to crawl through the tunnel of light.' However this doesn't explain the other incidents of their dogs being incinerated, the mutilations aand strange unrecognisable beasts appearing, the nightmares residents of the farm suffered and the UFO and orb like visitations. Really, what took place there is worse than any horror film I have ever seen and now it all appears to have stopped. Would really recommend the article: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/230005-Path-of-the-Skinwalker-A-small-ranch-in-northern-Utah-US-may-be-the-strangest-place-on-Earth-

[Carmen]

I hadn't thought about the adrenalin aspect of a high stress situation, near accident, for example.But, it was explained to me that in a state of shock our brain shifts in to the next dimension which is a faster time and our body remains in 3d! Hence everything seems to be in slow motion physically as our brain is observing it from the faster dimension. It's quite handy really as we seem to have all the time in the world to self correct and thus avoid the dilemma. I experienced this once, falling off a galloping horse. Seemed to take forever to hit the ground.

[mojo]

A good episode on the Jessie Ventura show. It's about Bigelow airspace the aerospace company that now collects UFO reports from the government and bought the skinwalker ranch. The radio message the crew receives while driving around the ranch is really interesting. It doesnt appear the link was posted yet.

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The Skinwalker Ranch has fascinated me ever since I read the incredible book, Hunt for the Skinwalker written by George Knapp and Dr.Colm Kelleher, published in 2005.. A family was being terrorized by ...something, and they sold their ranch to Robert Bigelow and didn't want any notoriety or fame from their incredible experiences. Bigelow and his highly credible NIDS (National Institute for Discovery Science) organization moved onto the property for years investigating the paranormal activity at the ranch. The book Hunt for the Skinwalker (my favorite book) chronicles the truly bizarre happenings on the property. My conclusion after reading the book was this has much more to do with some sort of entity than aliens or Et's, but every sort of paranormal activity seems to be taking place, and ... WTF!! A place I would never ever want to visit. Here are a few highlights from Jesse Ventura's show Conspiracy Theory, and their visit to the ranch and what they found out concerning the owner Robert Bigelow. Remember, the show is called Conspiracy Theory:)
http://www.trutv.com/shows/conspiracy_theory/index.html

A few links for further info on the Skinwalker Ranch:
http://www.amazon.com/Hunt-Skinwalker-Science-Confronts-Unexplained/dp/141650...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q1UQIQ5kWA&list=PLE1D753045E027544&in...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l13bj1U4LE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itC29BCGyk0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioMYuJ8OWX4
http://www.8newsnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=4275629
http://rense.com/general69/skinw.htm
http://www.skinwalkerranch.org/rank.html
http://terrifyingtales.blogspot.com/2007/03/skinwalker-ranch.html

Chapter 1 preview:
http://books.simonandschuster.ca/Hunt-for-the-Skinwalker/Colm-A-Kelleher/9781...

[Arrowwind]

Has anyone read the book "Hunt for the Skinwalker" by ColmA Kelleher PhD and George Knapp?

Its about a scientific team who looks into bizarre activity that seems to include UFO activity along with creatures possibly from another level of reality that enter through some kind of warp in the area where the UFO are present. It also details cattle mutalation..in great detail..short of lab reports.. in the Unita basin in Utah. The authors claim the book is true and that the National Institute of Discovery Science was involved in the exploration. I haven't looked into this at all and have not tried to verify any of it.. thought someone here might know.

[Snookie]

I believe Mel Fabregas did an interview about the Skinwalker Ranch on Veritas a year or two ago.

Who ever he interviewed seemed very knowledgeable about the subject. From what I recall a lot of neighbors had witnessed weird stuff going on as well. The family finally had to sell the land to a research firm, as they were losing too many animals to these various entities, not to mention how disruptive all the goings on were to their lives.

[Spiral]

Hey thanks Arrowwind, I'd not heard of this, it looks very interesting, I just found these on YT,

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Click through to youtube to watch the others


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Jerry Pippin interviews George Knapp and Colm Kelleher, both of whom investigated Skinwalker Ranch. Interview from Dec 9, 2005.

[Referee]

Here is some more............ more recent Jesse Ventura CT episode Skinwalker

About the current owner of the Skinwalker Ranch and his ties to the secret Government.

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[DNA]

It's one of the best books I"ve ever read in my life, it's kind of like a capstone of knowledge, providing a plausible unifying theory for the explanation of topics such as poltergiest activity, cryptoids, orbs, ufo's and cattle mutiliations.

A myriad of theories are offerred to explain the phenomenon experienced in the Uinta basin of N.E Utah.

My favorite and the one I consider most likely is that it is a portal zone. An ancient and mysterious area embued with legend and myth by the native americans who lived in the area.

The book is a must read

[dianna]

You can download the book for free at ebbookbrowse.com

Try this link

http://ebookbrowse.com/hunt-for-the-skinwalker-science-confronts-the-unexplained-at-a-remote-ranch-in-utah-by-colm-kelleher-phd-george-knapp-pdf-d436593743

Hope that works

[Arrowwind]

I'm almost done with the book. Hard to say exactly what is going on at this ranch but it seems like this area where UFO activity is so pronounced may be an entrance to moving through time and space interdimensionally. There are a lot of terrifying types of animals that come and go on this ranch and hence the skinwalker idea came into play, like maybe a shaman or some type of witch was taking on these animal thought forms and stalking.. but I doubt this is it for this circumstance. It seems to me that this opening to other dimensions that the ships seem to be going through not only allows for the UFOs to move back and forth but animal entities spill out as well. They dont seem to hang around for long nor do they seem to really kill anything. All the dead cattle found in this area had had surgical types of openings in thier bodies, not torn apart by a wild animal. The closest report to one of these strange animals hurting anything was when one was reported to be chasing some horses in a corral, knipping at their heels causing relatively minor cuts. The animal hurried away when humans approached it.

This brings into view an aspect of UFO phenomena that I've never seen discussed before.

What exactly happens when you open an interdimensional time portal and start moving in and out of it. Can this lead to all kinds of other entities leaking through too? off hand I would say that yes, the potential may be considerable when you really sit down and think about it. Incidences as such, within another context are discussed in Carlos Castenada's work and there are many Native American stories about very strange and sometimes very terrifying creatures appearing and disappearing. This book also has quite a bit to say about the big foot phenomena in Colorado and Utah. Could these long reported human like creatures be coming from a parallel reality and leaking into ours?

When I think about the orbs that are reported near Mt Adams at the ECETI ranch Im not seeing much comparison, at least energetically, in quality of vibration.. These orbs on the Utah ranch seem to terrify and taunt. There seems to be a different energy behind the ones at ECETI in Washington.

[Corncrake]

For those of you who may like to read a shorter account of what went on at the ranch, here is an article from SOTT.net called Path of the Skinwalker by George Knapp:

http://www.sott.net/article/230005-Path-of-the-Skinwalker-A-small-ranch-in-northern-Utah-US-may-be-the-strangest-place-on-Earth

[mojo]

There is something happening there.

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[Arpheus]

Yeah that is one creepy and mysterious place,and oddly very little is known about it,and not too many people in the alternative community speaks much of it at all,there is certainly more to it then meets the eye tho...

[DNA]

Oh yea,,,,Skinwalker Ranch Baby!
Let the fun begin.

I'm just going to state that I think there is an underground base that houses advanced technology.
Remember when the Gorman's first moved in they had to sign an agreement that stated they would not dig on the property unless they notified the previous owners?
Also when using a mechanized sludgehammer type tool for post hole digging the 75 pound piece of eqipment was found 75 feet up a tree.
The NIDS crew stated that ufo responses were eliceted by digging in the area as well.

I don't know if the folks in this underground base are ancients from an advanced earth civilization like Atlantis, an alien band of refugees who have holed up in the area or freaking reptilians for that matter, but the whole story is intriguing to no end.


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Just as a sidenote, I was listening to the interview and noting how the guest was guessing at Government involvement and participation and or causing said phenomenons.
I just gotta say, they may be reacting to the phenomenon itself and or monitoring it, but this stuff has been going on for hundreds of years or more according to Native Americans who lived in the area before the white man. :alien:

[Tommy]

Very interesting and mysterious indeed.

According to some of my sources, the place is some form of natural (super) vortex or "dimensional hot-spot", possibly exploited and expanded. I have been told a certain area is basically an open playing field for inter-dimensional entities. When I tried to organize an expedition (of sorts) I was highly advised not to go anywhere near it. I was told even Robert T. Bigelow who owns the estate does not even venture into the area, even though he is almost obsessed with the concepts personally.

That said, it did not really stop me from wanting to go.. Risk is part of the game, and I like to believe that I don't shy away from such.. The only problem is that none of the people I trust in those kind of circumstances are willing to go with me.

Maybe one day, we will see.. Also, for those who happens not to be aware, Jesse Ventura & Co did an episode looking into Skinwalker Ranch. I found this episode to be the best of the series. The car radio scene is particularly interesting, but knowing TruTV they could have staged it like they did with the military encounter in the Project Camelot (Shadow Operations) pilot. I will make sure to ask Sean Stone whom basically trespassed into the ranch about it when I have a chance, if there is good info I will ask if we can record an interview or at least a statement of sorts.

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If anyone has any good sources on this topic please post them here so I and others interested can have a look, it is truly a topic that deserves way more attention.

Thanks for the interview Mojo :)

[ghostrider]

I heard some of the goings on that their was to be an invasion from another dimension, our government knew about it and built underground cities just in case, our friends in high places , went to visit them and convinced them to go elsewhere for their conquest ... all these underground bases were and are a plan B in case the worst happens, the ptb appear stupid , but they are not , they are afraid and they should be ... without ET's help , we would be slaves to an alien race worse than the Borg ... these creatures control an entire dimension , and wanted ours as well ... thankfully a 3.5 billion member federation of highly spiritual advanced beings stepped in and said OH NO YOU DON'T ... I believe sometimes these creatures slip in and out causing us , lots of troubles ... hence the reason for us to raise our consciousness and work together and better our world , in case one day , we fight for our freedom in the cosmos to be and be free ... the skinwalker ranch could be right where a portal is , and it's there to try and control ET immigration that has a not so good intention ...

[DNA]

I heard some of the goings on that their was to be an invasion from another dimension, our government knew about it and built underground cities just in case, our friends in high places , went to visit them and convinced them to go elsewhere for their conquest ... all these underground bases were and are a plan B in case the worst happens, the ptb appear stupid , but they are not , they are afraid and they should be ... without ET's help , we would be slaves to an alien race worse than the Borg ... these creatures control an entire dimension , and wanted ours as well ... thankfully a 3.5 billion member federation of highly spiritual advanced beings stepped in and said OH NO YOU DON'T ... I believe sometimes these creatures slip in and out causing us , lots of troubles ... hence the reason for us to raise our consciousness and work together and better our world , in case one day , we fight for our freedom in the cosmos to be and be free ... the skinwalker ranch could be right where a portal is , and it's there to try and control ET immigration that has a not so good intention ...

That is some far out information there brother. Where per-chance did you hear this stuff from?

[Arpheus]

I heard some of the goings on that their was to be an invasion from another dimension, our government knew about it and built underground cities just in case, our friends in high places , went to visit them and convinced them to go elsewhere for their conquest ... all these underground bases were and are a plan B in case the worst happens, the ptb appear stupid , but they are not , they are afraid and they should be ... without ET's help , we would be slaves to an alien race worse than the Borg ... these creatures control an entire dimension , and wanted ours as well ... thankfully a 3.5 billion member federation of highly spiritual advanced beings stepped in and said OH NO YOU DON'T ... I believe sometimes these creatures slip in and out causing us , lots of troubles ... hence the reason for us to raise our consciousness and work together and better our world , in case one day , we fight for our freedom in the cosmos to be and be free ... the skinwalker ranch could be right where a portal is , and it's there to try and control ET immigration that has a not so good intention ...

That is some far out information there brother. Where per-chance did you hear this stuff from?

Far out is an understatement heh,personally i dont buy that,we are already enslaved not sure what planet you live in Ghostrider hehe,so we have been saved from being enslaved huh really???

[northstar]

I know of a couple who went there to do exorcisms/cleansing and the man ended up possessed by something dark, powerful and unclean and he has remained possessed to this day. You really need to be careful about picking up negative entities in cursed places.

[Sidney]

I am shocked that I have never heard about this.
Skinwalker Ranch, Conspiracy theory with Jessie Ventura.

A very rich multi Billionaire by the name of Bigalow, now owns MUFON. He also has a space station currently orbiting earth, has his own ufo factory and is now in control of everything NASA had plans for.

This jawdropping episode of Conspiracy theory just blew my socks off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LthJ76X4XLY

[Azt]

Amazing how the people/Govs/info/truth .... can be all bought and lock out these days... We are probably the last generation to have some kind of freedom left ...

[Cidersomerset]

Skinwalker Ranch - Live Q&A w/ Director Devin McGinn & Paranormal Expert Ryan Burns

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Streamed live on 3 Nov 2013

[Cidersomerset]

Skinwalker Ranch 2013

As said in the interview above this docu/movie is based
on the story but not factual.

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Published on 4 Nov 2013


A scientific research team investigates and documents the supernatural phenomena
surrounding the disappearance of a cattle ranchers 10 year old son. Inspired by true
events that shocked the paranormal community around the world. Please enjoy and Share !!

[Cidersomerset]

Although I had seen the Jesse Ventura episode and heard it on coast to coast
I had forgotten about it and this is an excuse for a referesher. A local native
American view of the phenomenon.

Skinwalker Ranch Interview with local Ute member Larry Cesspooch

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Published on 16 Sep 2013


In early July of 2013 we set off to the area of Fort Duchesne, Utah. After
reading/hearing various stories about the famous Skinwalker Ranch a.k.a. Sherman
Ranch. This is one of the top paranormal zones in the U.S.A. I just had to visit and
do a weekend investigation. The property is owned by billionaire Robert Bigelow (of
Bigelow Aerospace and Budget Suite chain) who purchased the land to conduct
scientific observations of the bizarre supernatural activity. The previous owner and
his family fled the property after experiencing a tsunami of strange appearances
and manifestations of creatures, ufo's, poltergiest and some of his own prized cattle
getting mutilated (some observed). A dominant thought as to the reason for much
of the activity being related to a inter-dimensional portal being on his property.
Now also neighbours also report seeing some of the activity too. The hard core
scientists of NIDSci or the National Institute for Discovery Science (Robert
Bigelow's team) also witnessed some of the reported phenomenon themselves. The
property is still guarded by ex military security and don't like anyone watching even
from a distance on public land.

While up there we spoke to a witness (under secrecy because of their community
standing) of a local giant saucer shaped UFO with red, blue and green lights that
terrified many of the locals of the area and supposedly knocked out power to the
area. Some witnesses first thinking there were police vehicles outside. Some people
not seeing the lights suggesting the flashing lights was caused by exploding
transformers. Though some saw a giant saucer craft too. That also many were
struggling mentally after the sighting on February 12th, 2012.

I interviewed Larry Cesspooch of the local Ute tribe who grew up in the Fort
Duchesne area who told me about paranormal experiences in the area.

Not in this video edit (I was trying to give Larry good coverage) my experiences
with a strange explosion sound close to us while on a night investigation, close-up
streaks of light, ghost box sessions of trapped souls also warning us of the hellish
locale. Michelle being frightened by something knocking on the car window while I
was doing soul work in the middle of the night in a isolated locale. I hope to return
to do more observations in the near future.

[bennycog]

Hey sid. I have only been a viewer on here for a little while, not many posts at all. I decided to watch this episode and found a few points between the lines that some might consider.
I will start that I find some conspiracy/truth driven shows, are like magic shows. With trick of light and camera angles. But also may use tech givin to them by those that have it to further their agenda.
For instance at one point in the episode you could see a light beam from either the source from the camera angle or to the camera location which means it was a focused beam of light.
Also I increasingly see the need of the drama angle to pull people into the conspiracy! This was done by interviewers constantly interrupting the interviewees so it danced around the questions.
It also seemed to me that they enhanced the "no go area" by showing people that it is unsafe to enter the area (skinwalkers ranch). which would stop people investigating themselves.
Which then could lead to investigators following the wrong trail.
It might be just me but I see an egotistical interview technique by Jessie by his mouth and eye movements and little shakes to his head.. I do not want to dis him or any other, because I do not know if these techniques are used intentional or by inception..
At the end of the show it really pushes and leaves a view that we all know as project bluebeam.. There is subtleness no about it at all.
this is my synopses anyway..

Just to add.. I am not sure if Bigelow is a bad man as he is not shy about his thoughts on aliens and ill quote him as saying "not the right time".
Something to think about..

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Just to add.. I am not sure if Bigelow is a bad man as he is not shy about his thoughts on aliens and ill quote him as saying "not the right time".
Something to think about..

Bigelow is quite an interesting fellow actually, there are lots of presentations of him on the net, he also has a much broader view then space.

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Recorded at the 2006 Space Frontier Foundation's New Space Return to the Moon Conference. Visit www.Space-Frontier.org for more information. Content provided by www.MediaArchives.com --- EXPLORING THE NEW FRONTIER, with Robert Bigelow - President, Bigelow Aerospace. Robert T. Bigelow, President, is a successful businessman with more than 30 years of experience in developing and operating hotels and apartment complexes, banking and several other businesses. Robert Bigelow graduated from Arizona State University with a Bachelor of Science degree in Business Administration. In 1999, he founded Bigelow Aerospace ("BA"). BA is a general contracting, investment, research and development company that concentrates on achieving economic breakthroughs in the costs associated with the design, development and construction of habitable space stations, space transportation and launch facilities to the extent that they will be affordable for private enterprise use. Robert Bigelow is active and a member in various business, scientific and community organizations. He is a member of the UNLV Foundation and an associate member of the Society for Scientific Exploration. This was recorded only a few days after Bigelow Aerospace successfully launched their latest Space Habitat. SFF-1445D

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[Becky]

Just finished watching it - very interesting, and such a shame the info is always being with-held by greedy people who want the truth all for themselves

[Sidney]

Hey sid. I have only been a viewer on here for a little while, not many posts at all. I decided to watch this episode and found a few points between the lines that some might consider.
I will start that I find some conspiracy/truth driven shows, are like magic shows. With trick of light and camera angles. But also may use tech givin to them by those that have it to further their agenda.
For instance at one point in the episode you could see a light beam from either the source from the camera angle or to the camera location which means it was a focused beam of light.
Also I increasingly see the need of the drama angle to pull people into the conspiracy! This was done by interviewers constantly interrupting the interviewees so it danced around the questions.
It also seemed to me that they enhanced the "no go area" by showing people that it is unsafe to enter the area (skinwalkers ranch). which would stop people investigating themselves.
Which then could lead to investigators following the wrong trail.
It might be just me but I see an egotistical interview technique by Jessie by his mouth and eye movements and little shakes to his head.. I do not want to dis him or any other, because I do not know if these techniques are used intentional or by inception..
At the end of the show it really pushes and leaves a view that we all know as project bluebeam.. There is subtleness no about it at all.
this is my synopses anyway..

Just to add.. I am not sure if Bigelow is a bad man as he is not shy about his thoughts on aliens and ill quote him as saying "not the right time".
Something to think about..

In my view, its not about Bigalow, whether good or bad, it is about the Governments handing over control of the space programs to wealthy individuals who are not obligated to include the public in the advances and accomplishments of technology. It is apparent to me now, as a ufo researcher, and skywatcher, that there is so much more to this than meets the eye. It could be absolutely anyone up there flying around. This stuff should be mainstream front page news. Its just sickening.

[universe]

What could possibly need to be sooooo secret that we don't already know or have heard about. What is it about ET's that you haven't already heard. What is it about how our controlling governments enslave Humanity that we haven't already heard. What is it about we are not our bodies that we haven't already heard. It goes on and on. I understand that most people on this planet do not have access to a computer for their information but come on, for those that do, which must be well in the millions, we experience information overload. There is no excuse for not knowing.
It's quite possible that the information that is being hidden is in the public domain and has probably been there for some time, but lets keep up the drama of secrecy so that the masses will think that they are missing something instead of using what they already know.
We sit on a pile of gold reaching out begging for pennies.

[Sidney]

The masses ARE missing plenty. What was shocking to me is that this hit mainstream television. LOL And the masses aren't getting it.
For me, the ultimate big picture, is that there is enough free energy to un-enslave the masses, which we are a part of the enslaved regardless how educated we are. This stuff is in our face, its not even a secret anymore, and I am saddened by the fact that it seems nothing is changing, nor will change any time soon.
There is no proof that Bigalow has aliens as "employees", however, the implication was there in that episode of CT.
The truth is, I am almost at the point where I may stop digging, because the rabbit hole, is not just a little hole in the ground anymore. Its a huge cave entrance that anyone can enter. The hidden world is now a stage, and it seems that it continues to be nothing more than entertainment for the masses, instead of a wake up call for actual action.
It just grinds the truth in just a little further that regardless how much info I acquire, I am still just a powerless slave. :(

[anonymous]

my privacy standards have changed - 5/10/16 - apologies for the many edits of public comments

[korgh]

I Just finished watching the Jesse Ventura's documentary right now and is very disturber.
Some part of the research taken by the Ventura's coworkers is a bit sensationalist but in other hand brings some truth about the relationship between government and large corporates.
In my very own opinion, i think that all of this is just a little piece of a huge puzzle.
We have the government, iluminati, politicians, the military, secret agencies, etc. doing their role on a huge theater: Earth.
Now, the things are moving also to outer space and makes sense.. There are too much competition, too much players and the money is going to the same controllers as always been on centuries.
And everything is getting out of control.
If someone could control high technology buying secrets, connecting people just offering the advantage of unlimited power and an alternative as "new players" in this very restrict global game could take it all...
...and they can still add the advantage of alien technology.
Who knows what kind of treaty they did with those aliens. At the end, after all this mess, we are just mere cattle and nothing more.
I think the explanation is right here on the forum, spread over hundreds of threads. Is just a matter to link all.

[ghostrider]

Not only do we pay rent to live on a planet we were born on , now we will pay to live in space ...no matter where we go , we pay just to be alive ... Funny how the government allows Bigalow to be the only UFO guy , the only space station guy , maybe this releases them from any pushback they now have a fall guy ... dunno but , it seems creepy ...

[Sidney]

Not only do we pay rent to live on a planet we were born on , now we will pay to live in space ...no matter where we go , we pay just to be alive ... Funny how the government allows Bigalow to be the only UFO guy , the only space station guy , maybe this releases them from any pushback they now have a fall guy ... dunno but , it seems creepy ...

I agree GR, it seems like a dirty trick that these arrangements were made in quiet.

Now the government can say, of course ufos are real, they belong to that dude BIGALOW.:ufo:

[DNA]

Robert Bigelow is the man as far as I am concerned. His devolopment of the "national instiitute for discovery science" is responsible for "skinwalker ranch" becoming known as well as it is.
I will give Bigelow the benefit of the doubt for now.
And unlike how this Ventura piece portrays Bigelow, Bigelow has done a multitude of interviews over the last ten years.
Bigelow isn't hiding anything.

Until I see reason to change my mind, I personally feel Bigelow is spending his personal forturne helping to open doors and explore possibilities.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFuJB0ofaU0

[Cidersomerset]

I just rewatched Jesse's programme and its amazing what you forget...LOL





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What surprised me about this is that Gordon Duff was prepaired to
say it in public, most of it is already known material but worth a
listen imo.


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Published on 22 Mar 2013


Gordon Duff revealed on the Michael Harris Radio Show that UFO's and Aliens are in
fact with us and have been all along.Duff,a member of the intelligence
community,also reveals that the US has developed anti-gravity and other
technologies.He says "that energy weapons not only exist but are deployed that
make our largest nuclear weapons look like a walk in the park" and that "space
weapons have long been deployed,not just nuclear weapons but energy
weapons".Duff also says that "the US is honeycombed with a system of tunnels and
underground bases" and that "there are people within this country who are
spending their lives underground,we have a second population". Use your
discernment and intuition as you consider why this information is now being
revealed to us! This excerpt from the Michael Harris Show which aired on Rense
Radio was recorded on March 20,2013.

Credit goes out to Jeff Rense,Michael Harris and Gordon Duff. Thanks to Kerry
Cassidy of Project Camelot for posting the news of this important interview on her
website.Check out Kerry's blog here: Project Camelot Website: http://www.projectcamelotportal.com/

[TravelerJim]

Jesse Ventura did a show a few years back on the Ozarks and a town there that seemed to be a focal point for the PTB as a bug-out location. Part of the show showed a massive underground facility where you could drive in, with lots of storage, etc. It turns out that this footage came from a facility, not in that location, but in St. Louis or Kansas City, can't remember which one. So I take his stuff with a grain of salt although it is quite entertaining.

Having said that, Skinwalker is real. I have spent a lot of time in the area and while I have not been on the ranch have spent time putting the picture together and there does seem to be some sort of portal there. George Knapp, imho is very credible, and he even wrote or coauthored a book on it.

There are other areas of the country that have the same sort of phenom. Check out Jim Marrs work on a Deer Lodge MT. Very interesting there as well. I have been there and talked to some locals and they do have their fair share of weird stuff that has happened over the years.

[Mike]

by Brent Paris (not really, but i couldnt help myself;). someone please remind Brent that his handle is "Brent Paris", so mistaking his posts for anyone elses' is highly unlikely)

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when i hear about a story like this, it makes me wonder why we even bother discussing anything else here...

its a perfect storm of esoterica: ufo activity, Bigfoot, indian lore, poltergeist activity, demonic activity, super soldiers, disembodied voices, cattle mutilations, other-dimensional phenomena, skinwalkers.......wolves that react to bullets as if theyre f#cking bee-bees: ALL OCCURING IN THE SAME PLACE AND AT THE SAME TIME.

and in the midst of it all, david icke, henry kissinger, george bush, and prince andrew all emerged naked from the adjacent forest singing kumbaya. i swear. (no they didnt...but if they had, it would have made this story *less* strange.

yup, its a true story. this all occured, to one degree or another at the notorious SkinWalker Ranch in Utah.

i read the book not too long ago. and now ive listened to several interviews and documentaries etc. id like to say this makes me an expert, but all its done is give me an enormous headache.

i dont even know where to begin. i s'pose thats why ive included this interview. it provides a nice base from which to operate. all i can really say is, there is something of unparalleled diabolism going on here. the last time i felt this disturbed was after i saw the movie 'Event Horizon'. im not a man to deliberately seek punishment, but i do have a masochistic tendency towards high strangeness. it somehow makes me feel better about my life; if a skinwalker posing as a leopard can maul a young kid, then perhaps my inability to pay the electric bill this month isnt the tragedy it seems, ya know?

ill share one anecdote that was in the book that was not in this interview:

a man arrived at the ranch asking Gorman (owner) if he could sit in one of his fields and meditate. his intention was to, i believe, infuse the place with positive energy. the ranch had developed quite a reputation at the time and it wasnt uncommon for new-agers to view it as some sort of disturbing pilgrimage. Gorman reluctantly allowed the man to do his bit, and within minutes a large creature emerged from the woods, approaching the man at a remarkable speed. it stopped just short of him and released a spine chilling roar before returning to the forest. the man, predictably, became hysterical, clinging to Gorman like an infant might on its mothers breast. if i recall correctly, Gorman actually threatened to punch the man if he didnt release his grip.

later, while watching the movie 'predator' with his son, Gorman recognized the creature in the movie as being identical to the one who had appeared on his ranch ( not the reptilian form, but the sort of translucent camouflage the predator had used to avoid detection)

the phenomena suggests that there is some sort of all encompassing force behind almost everything we consider "paranormal". or does it? as they say, the more you learn the less you know.

im interested in your thoughts...

[DNA]

when i hear about a story like this, it makes me wonder why we even bother discussing anything else here...

I hear you. But believe me, we have discussed the hell out of this story here.
There are plenty of threads with Skinwalker Ranch in the subject header, and plenty of other threads under different subjects that just went there anyway.

Never the less, I never tire of the subject and I always welcome fresh conversations in this regard.

Me personally, I'm inclined to give credence to Kerry Cassidy's take, that there are various portals and or "star gates" all over the world, some of which seem to not have any technology and or instruments in view, and these gates or portals just manifest. As a result there are a myriad of associated events that take place with them.

I've always been of the opinion that there is a underground base of folks who either make use of the natural gate in the area or are producing it through some equipment not seen on the surface because it is located underground in the area.

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Hey Mike, if you are interested, my current best theory on this can be found in the thread below. My initial statement is about a one minute read.

Bigfoot,Atlantis and the Bohemian Grove (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72540-Bigfoot-Atlantis-and-The-Bohemian-Grove)

[Mike]

when i hear about a story like this, it makes me wonder why we even bother discussing anything else here...

I hear you. But believe me, we have discussed the hell out of this story here.
There are plenty of threads with Skinwalker Ranch in the subject header, and plenty of other threads under different subjects that just went there anyway.

Never the less, I never tire of the subject and I always welcome fresh conversations in this regard.

Me personally, I'm inclined to give credence to Kerry Cassidy's take, that there are various portals and or "star gates" all over the world, some of which seem to not have any technology and or instruments in view, and these gates or portals just manifest. As a result there are a myriad of associated events that take place with them.

I've always been of the opinion that there is a underground base of folks who either make use of the natural gate in the area or are producing it through some equipment not seen on the surface because it is located underground in the area.


i know we've discussed it some...was just being a little tongue in cheek brother.

in fact, you were the one who suggested i read the book. so thanks for that. awesome recommendation.

the "trickster" element really stands out for me. this always keeping everyone off balance thing. it suggests a certain malevolence, and yet, no one was ever harmed there (physically)...leading some researchers to hypothesize that the entities there have some kind of moral code ( no humans anyway...Gormans dogs were fried into a sort of black goo).

its all very confusing...

[Mike]

edit to add: DNA, im checking out your link now. thanks. i have a load of respect for your opinions on this stuff.

[DNA]

edit to add: DNA, im checking out your link now. thanks. i have a load of respect for your opinions on this stuff.
Aw shucks Mike/Chinaski you really know how to make a guy blush. :)

I'm listening to coast to coast am right now, and the guest is talking about two different types of cryptids living in her area. One was a Bigfoot and the other was the hyena headed dogman type. This strikes me because there was a hyena headed dogman type at the gorman/skinwalker ranch.
I just caught the guest's name and it's Christine Delaparker.

I think it worth mentioning that i attended a Kiwanee Lapseritis speaking engagement, Kiwanee states he is in communication with sasquatch, so there is that. I mention this because Kewanee states that the sasquatch have told him that the dog headed beings/people are guardians of inner dimensional portals. So there that is

[Debra]

Great topic to keep alive Mike. Whatever is living on those grounds, there is some serious F off energy.

Why? Seems that they are door bitches for
Something you or I have no business looking into

Who gets scared ?

Who benefits?

Even Sean Stone and Jesse Ventura's son could not get close to an answer.

I'd like to pose the question to Duncan O'Fionioan .. He surely would know something. He and his partner Miranda actually go into places like this to clean them out. It is not the kind of energy I want to meet. Hell no!

[seeker/reader]

ill share one anecdote that was in the book that was not in this interview:

a man arrived at the ranch asking Gorman (owner) if he could sit in one of his fields and meditate. his intention was to, i believe, infuse the place with positive energy. the ranch had developed quite a reputation at the time and it wasnt uncommon for new-agers to view it as some sort of disturbing pilgrimage. Gorman reluctantly allowed the man to do his bit, and within minutes a large creature emerged from the woods, approaching the man at a remarkable speed. it stopped just short of him and released a spine chilling roar before returning to the forest. the man, predictably, became hysterical, clinging to Gorman like an infant might on its mothers breast. if i recall correctly, Gorman actually threatened to punch the man if he didnt release his grip.

later, while watching the movie 'predator' with his son, Gorman recognized the creature in the movie as being identical to the one who had appeared on his ranch ( not the reptilian form, but the sort of translucent camouflage the predator had used to avoid detection)

the phenomena suggests that there is some sort of all encompassing force behind almost everything we consider "paranormal". or does it? as they say, the more you learn the less you know.

im interested in your thoughts...

I have read many accounts of Bigfoot/Sasquatch. Some people say that they witnessed a transparent cloaking type of camouflage that was used by the Sasquatch and many compare it to the "Predator" camoflauge as seen in the movie.

I agree with DNA that there is a (natural) portal in that area which allows all sorts of inter/extra dimensional entities access to the area. (As it is natural, I doubt it can be closed, so cleaning out entities would be a moot point as the door would remain open allowing anything to come through.)

Some Sasquatch habituators, that have developed a long-term relationship with a group of Sasquatch have come to the conclusion that they have inter-dimensional abilities, as the Sasquatch leave signs of their presence in locked buildings or cars. The only logical way of explaining how this can happen is if the Sasquatch don't need to use the standard type of door that we use, they can make an inter-dimensional door where-ever they want and can access locked/unaccessable areas.

[DNA]

ill share one anecdote that was in the book that was not in this interview:

a man arrived at the ranch asking Gorman (owner) if he could sit in one of his fields and meditate. his intention was to, i believe, infuse the place with positive energy. the ranch had developed quite a reputation at the time and it wasnt uncommon for new-agers to view it as some sort of disturbing pilgrimage. Gorman reluctantly allowed the man to do his bit, and within minutes a large creature emerged from the woods, approaching the man at a remarkable speed. it stopped just short of him and released a spine chilling roar before returning to the forest. the man, predictably, became hysterical, clinging to Gorman like an infant might on its mothers breast. if i recall correctly, Gorman actually threatened to punch the man if he didnt release his grip.

later, while watching the movie 'predator' with his son, Gorman recognized the creature in the movie as being identical to the one who had appeared on his ranch ( not the reptilian form, but the sort of translucent camouflage the predator had used to avoid detection)

the phenomena suggests that there is some sort of all encompassing force behind almost everything we consider "paranormal". or does it? as they say, the more you learn the less you know.

im interested in your thoughts...

I have read many accounts of Bigfoot/Sasquatch. Some people say that they witnessed a transparent cloaking type of camouflage that was used by the Sasquatch and many compare it to the "Predator" camoflauge as seen in the movie.

Hey Seeker/Reader, we have had some interesting dialogues in this area before. And as we were saying earlier, this stuff never gets old. We could decide on a different area of focus a hundred different times and have a hundred great conversations about Skinwalker Ranch.

I have an excellent story that ty1907 shared that can be found here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72540-Bigfoot-Atlantis-and-The-Bohemian-Grove&p=849294&viewfull=1#post849294) TY is the first person who ever introduced the author Kiwanee Lapseritis to me.

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One of my favorites from "The Sasquatch People" by Kiwanee Lapseritis

"A man approached me after I gave a lecture at a conference in San Jose in August of 2007. He said that while elk hunting in Colorado with his 18-year-old son, a most startling BF encounter had occured. While deep in the forest they decided to separate, but he warned his son not to wander very far. He told him to find a good spot and stand quietly by a tree. Soon they were out of sight of each other and in position if a deer or elk moved in their directoon.

After a time, the teenager heard something bounding toward him. He was leaning against a tree, and suddenly a frightened deer came dashing past from behind him. Before the young man could collect his thoughts, a pounding of loud footfalls ran by him-close enough that he felt the breeze from the creature that made them. The problem was that there was novody there-at least nothing visible!

The confused deer was grabbed by an invisible force and violently thrown against a tree, instantly breaking its back! This freaked the kid out. He literally did not know how to react as he stood there in a state of awe and fear! His father told me that the Sasquatch never materialized, but picked up the dead deer, dangling it by its hind legs towards the boy in the same way that someone holds up a dead rabbit after its been shot. The creature held it easily as if it only weighed a few pounds.

The giant stood in front of the teenager, but was physically indiscernible except for the deer dangling in mid-air. It appeared to offer the animal to the boy as the Sasquatch slowly moved toward him in a non-threatening way. For a moment he thought of shooting at where the Sasquatch's body should be, but changed his mind. He was scared and in a state of confusion! It was too much for him to comprehend, so he turned and ran while yelling for his father. The father told me he figured it was a Sasquatch, as he had read about the possibility that they were interdimensional. He said it took a while to calm his son."

[seeker/reader]

Skinwalkers - What Are They?
By Colm Kelleher and George Knapp
8-9-7

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With skinwalkers becoming the subjects of popular books and recently, movies, it is fair to ask about their origins. In August 1996, a team of scientists arrived on a remote ranch in NE Utah to investigate a bizarre litany of phenomena; including unidentified flying objects, animal mutilations, paranormal and poltergeist occurrences that appeared to erupt almost on a nightly basis. The list went on and on. The first piece of information the team learned from local people was that the ranch lay "on the path of the skinwalker". Was the skinwalker responsible for the weird happenings on this ranch? What followed was a multi-year odyssey into the dark unknown as the science team tried to pursue, measure and photograph the elusive "skinwalker". The complete account of the unprecedented research project is published in the book "Hunt for the Skinwalker".

In the religion and cultural lore of Southwestern tribes, there are witches known as skinwalkers who can alter their shapes at will to assume the characteristics of certain animals. Most of the world's cultures have their own shapeshifter legends. The best known is the werewolf, popularized by dozens of Hollywood movies. European legends as far back as the 1500's tell stories about werewolves. (The modern psychiatric term for humans who believe they are wolves is lycanthropy.) The people of India have a were- tiger legend. Africans have stories of were-leopards and were- jackals. Egyptians tell of were-hyenas.

In the American Southwest, the Navajo, Hopi, Utes, and other tribes each have their own version of the skinwalker story, but basically they boil down to the same thing--a malevolent witch capable of transforming itself into a wolf, coyote, bear, bird, or any other animal. The witch might wear the hide or skin of the animal identity it wants to assume, and when the transformation is complete, the human witch inherits the speed, strength, or cunning of the animal whose shape it has taken.

"The Navajo skinwalkers use mind control to make their victims do things to hurt themselves and even end their lives," writes Doug Hickman, a New Mexico educator. "The skinwalker is a very powerful witch. They can run faster than a car and can jump mesa cliffs without any effort at all."

For the Navajo and other tribes of the southwest, the tales of skinwalkers are not mere legend. Just ask Michael Stuhff. A Nevada attorney, Stuhff is likely one of the few lawyers in the history of American jurisprudence to file legal papers against a Navajo witch. He has often represented Native Americans in his practice. He understands Indian law and has earned the trust of his Native American clients, in large part because he knows and respects tribal religious beliefs.

As a young attorney in the mid-70s, Stuhff worked in a legal aid program based near Genado Arizona. Many, if not most, of his clients were Navajo. His legal confrontation with a witch occurred in a dispute over child custody and financial support. His client, a Navajo woman who lived on the reservation with her son, was asking for full custody rights and back child support payments from her estranged husband, an Apache man. At one point during the legal wrangling, the husband got permission to take the son out for an evening, but didn't return the boy until the next day. The son later told his mother what had transpired that night.

According to the son, he spent the night with his father and a "medicine man." They built a fire atop a cliff and, for many hours, the medicine man performed ceremonies, songs, and incantations around the fire. As dawn broke, the three traveled into a wooded area near a cemetery, where they dug a hole. Into the hole, the medicine man deposited two dolls made of wood. One of the dolls was made of dark wood, the other of light wood. It was as if the two dolls were meant to represent the mother and her lawyer. Although Stuhff wasn't sure how seriously to take the news, he recognized that it certainly didn't sound good, so he sought out the advice of a Navajo professor at a nearby community college.

"He told me that the ceremony I had described was very powerful and very serious and that it meant that I was supposed to end up buried in that cemetery," Stuhff says. "He also said that a witch can perform this type of ceremony only four times in his life, because if he tries it more than that, the curse would come back on the witch himself. He also told me that if the intended victim found out about it, then the curse would come back onto the person who had requested it."

Stuhff thought about a way to let the husband know that he had found out about the ceremony, so he filed court papers that requested an injunction against the husband and the unknown medicine man, whom he described in the court documents as "John Doe, A Witch." The motion described in great detail the alleged ceremony. The opposing attorney appeared extremely upset by the motion, as did the husband and the presiding judge. The opposing lawyer argued to the court that the medicine man had performed "a blessing way ceremony," not a curse. But Stuhff knew that the judge, who was a Navajo, could distinguish between a blessing ceremony, which takes place in Navajo hogans (homes), and what was obviously a darker ceremony involving lookalike dolls that took place in the woods near a cemetery. The judge nodded in agreement when Stuhff responded. Before the judge could rule, Stuhff requested a recess so that the significance of his legal motion could sink in. The next day, the husband capitulated by agreeing to grant total custody to the mother and to pay all back child support.

"I took it very seriously because he took it seriously," Stuhff says. "I learned early on that sometimes witches will do things themselves to assist the supernatural, and I knew what that might mean."

Whether or not Stuhff literally believes that witches have supernatural powers, he acknowledges that this belief is strongly held in the Navajo nation. Certain communities on the reservation had reputations as witchcraft strongholds, he says. It is also unknown whether the witch he faced was a skinwalker or not. "Not all witches are skinwalkers," he says, "but all skinwalkers are witches. And skinwalkers are at the top. They are a witch's witch, so to speak."

According to University of Nevada-Las Vegas anthropologist Dan Benyshek, who specializes in the study of Native Americans of the Southwest, "Skinwalkers are purely evil in intent. I'm no expert on it, but the general view is that skinwalkers do all sorts of terrible things---they make people sick, they commit murders. They are graverobbers and necrophiliacs. They are greedy and evil people who must kill a sibling or other relative to be initiated as a skinwalker. They supposedly can turn into were-animals and can travel in supernatural ways."

Benyshek and other scientists do not necessarily endorse the legitimacy of the legends, but they recognize the importance of studying stories about skinwalkers because the power of the belief among Native Americans manifests itself in ways that are very real. "Oh, absolutely," says Benyshek explains. "Anthropologists have conducted scientific investigations into the beliefs in Native American witchcraft because of the effects of such beliefs on human health."

Anthropologist David Zimmerman of the Navajo Nation Historic Preservation Department explains: "Skinwalkers are folks that possess knowledge of medicine, medicine both practical (heal the sick) and spiritual (maintain harmony), and they are both wrapped together in ways that are nearly impossible to untangle."

As Zimmerman suggests, the flip side of the skinwalker coin is the power of tribal medicine men. Among the Navajo, for instance, medicine men train over a period of many years to become full- fledged practitioners in the mystical rituals of the Dine' (Navajo) people. The U.S. Public Health Service now works side by side with Navajo medicine men because the results of this collaboration have been proven, time and again, in clinical studies. The medicine men have shown themselves to be effective in treating a range of ailments.

"There has been a lot of serious research into medicine men and traditional healers," says Benyshek. "As healers, they are regarded as being very effective in some areas."
But there is a dark side to the learning of the medicine men. Witches follow some of the same training and obtain similar knowledge as their more benevolent colleagues, but they supplement both with their pursuit of the dark arts, or black magic. By Navajo law, a known witch has forfeited its status as a human and can be killed at will. The assumption is that a witch, by definition, is evil.

"Witchcraft was always an accepted, if not widely acknowledged part of Navajo culture," wrote journalist A. Lynn Allison. "And the killing of witches was historically as much accepted among the Navajo as among the Europeans." Allison has studied what she calls the "Navajo Witch Purge of 1878" and has written a book on the subject. In that year, more than 40 Navajo witches were killed or "purged" by tribe members because the Navajo had endured a horrendous forced march at the hands of the U.S. Army in which hundreds were starved, murdered, or left to die. At the end of the march, the Navajo were confined to a bleak reservation that left them destitute and starving. The gross injustice of their situation led them to conclude that witches might be responsible, so they purged their ranks of suspected witches as a means of restoring harmony and balance. Tribe members reportedly found a collection of witch artifacts wrapped in a copy of the Treaty of 1868 and "buried in the belly of a dead person." It was all the proof they needed to unleash their deadly purge.

"Unexplained sickness or death of tribal members or their livestock could arouse suspicion of witchcraft," wrote Allison in her book. "So could an unexplained reversal of fortune, good or bad."

In the Navajo world, where witchcraft is important, where daily behavior is patterned to avoid it, prevent it, and cure it, there are as many words for its various forms as there are words for various kinds of snow among the Eskimos. If the woman thought he was adan'ti, she thought he had the power of sorcery-to convert himself into animal form, to fly, to perhaps become invisible. Very specific ideas. Where had she gotten them?

The Navajo people do not openly talk about skinwalkers, certainly not to outsiders. Author Tony Hillerman, who has lived for many years among the Navajo, used the skinwalker legend as the backdrop for one of his immensely popular detective novels, one that pitted his intrepid Navajo lawmen Jim Chee and Joe Leaphorn against the dark powers of witchcraft. The following excerpt is from Skinwalkers:

"You think that if I confess that I witched your baby, then the baby will get well and pretty soon I will die," Chee said. "Is that right? Or, if you kill me, then the witching will go away."
"You should confess," the woman said. "You should say you did it. Otherwise, I will kill you."

Hillerman has been harshly criticized by some Navajo for bringing unwanted attention to the subject of skinwalkers. "No one who has ever lived in the Navajo country would ever make light of this sinister situation," wrote one critic after Hillerman's book was produced as a movie that aired on PBS in 2003.

Anthropologist Zimmerman explains why so little information is available on skinwalkers: "Part of the reason you won't find a lot of information about skinwalkers in the literature is because it is a sensitive topic among the Dine. This is often referred to as proprietary information, meaning it belongs to the Dine' people and is not to be shared with the non-Dine'."

We know from personal experience that is it extremely difficult to get Native Americans to discuss skinwalkers, even in the most general terms. Practitioners of adishgash, or witchcraft, are considered to be a very real presence in the Navajo world. Few Navajo want to cross paths with naagloshii (or yee naaldooshi), otherwise known as a skinwalker. The cautious Navajo will not speak openly about skinwalkers, especially with strangers, because to do so might invite the attention of an evil witch. After all, a stranger who asks questions about skinwalkers just might be one himself, looking for his next victim.

"They curse people and cause great suffering and death," one Navajo writer explained. "At night, their eyes glow red like hot coals. It is said that if you see the face of a Naagloshii, they have to kill you. If you see one and know who it is, they will die. If you see them and you don't know them, they have to kill you to keep you from finding out who they are. They use a mixture that some call corpse powder, which they blow into your face. Your tongue turns black and you go into convulsions and you eventually die. They are known to use evil spirits in their ceremonies. The Dine' have learned ways to protect themselves against this evil and one has to always be on guard."

One story told on the Navajo reservation in Arizona concerns a woman who delivered newspapers in the early morning hours. She claims that, during her rounds, she heard a scratching on the passenger door of her vehicle. Her baby was in the car seat next to her. The door flung open and she saw the horrifying form of a creature she described as half-man, half-beast, with glowing red eyes and a gnarly arm that was reaching for her child. She fought it off, managed to pull the door closed, then pounded the gas pedal and sped off. To her horror, she says, the creature ran along with the car and continued to try to open the door. It stayed with her until she screeched up to an all-night convenience store. She ran inside, screaming and hysterical, but when the store employee dashed outside, the being had vanished. Outsiders may view the story skeptically, and any number of alternative explanations might be suggested, but it is taken seriously on the Navajo reservation.

Although skinwalkers are generally believed to prey only on Native Americans, there are recent reports from Anglos claiming they had encountered skinwalkers while driving on or near tribal lands. One New Mexico Highway Patrol officer told us that while patrolling a stretch of highway south of Gallup, New Mexico, he had had two separate encounters with a ghastly creature that seemingly attached itself to the door of his vehicle. During the first encounter, the veteran law enforcement officer said the unearthly being appeared to be wearing a ghostly mask as it kept pace with his patrol car. To his horror, he realized that the ghoulish specter wasn't attached to his door after all. Instead, he said, it was running alongside his vehicle as he cruised down the highway at a high rate of speed.

The officer said he had a nearly identical experience in the same area a few days later. He was shaken to his core by these encounters, but didn't realize that he would soon get some confirmation that what he had seen was real. While having coffee with a fellow highway patrolman not long after the second incident, the cop cautiously described his twin experiences. To his amazement, the second officer admitted having his own encounter with a white-masked ghoul, a being that appeared out of nowhere and then somehow kept pace with his cruiser as he sped across the desert. The first officer told us that he still patrols the same stretch of highway and that he is petrified every time he enters the area.

Once Caucasian family still speaks in hushed tones about its encounter with a skinwalker, even though it happened in 1983. While driving at night along Route 163 through the massive Navajo Reservation, the four members of the family felt that someone was following them. As their truck slowed down to round a sharp bend, the atmosphere changed, and time itself seemed to slow down. Then something leaped out of a roadside ditch at the vehicle.

"It was black and hairy and was eye level with the cab," one of the witnesses recalled. "Whatever this thing was, it wore a man's clothes. It had on a white and blue checked shirt and long pants. Its arms were raised over its head, almost touching the top of the cab. It looked like a hairy man or a hairy animal in man's clothing, but it didn't look like an ape or anything like that. Its eyes were yellow and its mouth was open."

The father described as a fearless man who had served two tours in Vietnam, turned completely white, the blood drained from his face. The hair on his neck and arms stood straight up, like a cat under duress, and noticeable goose bumps erupted from his skin. Although time seemed frozen during this bizarre interlude, the truck continued on its way, and the family was soon miles down the highway.

A few days later, at their home in Flagstaff, the family awoke to the sounds of loud drumming. As they peered out their windows, they saw the dark forms of three "men" outside their fence. The shadowy beings tried to climb the fence to enter the yard but seemed inexplicably unable to cross onto the property. Frustrated by their failed entry, the men began to chant in the darkness as the terrified family huddled inside the house.

The story leaves several questions unanswered. If the beings were skinwalkers, and if skinwalkers can assume animal form or even fly, it isn't clear why they couldn't scale a fence. It is also not known whether the family called the police about the attempted intrusion by strangers.

The daughter, Frances, says she contacted friend, a Navajo woman who is knowledgeable about witchcraft. The woman visited the home, inspected the grounds, and offered her opinion that the intruders had been skinwalkers who were drawn by the family's "power" and that they had intended to take that power by whatever means necessary. She surmised that the intrusion failed because something was protecting the family, while admitting that it was all highly unusual since skinwalkers rarely bother non-Indians. The Navajo woman performed a blessing ceremony at the home. Whether the ceremony had any legitimacy or not, the family felt better for it and has had no similar experiences in the ensuing years.

This disturbing account is not offered as definitive proof of anything, particularly since we have not personally interviewed the witnesses. It is presented only as an illustration of the intense fear and unsettling descriptions that permeate skinwalker lore, and which are accepted at face value by the Native Americans for whom the skinwalker topic is not just a spooky children's story.

So, exactly how and when did the skinwalker legend intersect with the Gorman ranch in northeastern Utah? Retired teacher and UFO researcher Junior Hicks says his friends in the Ute tribe believe the skinwalker presence in the Uinta Basin extends back at least 15 generations. The Utes, described by historians as a fierce and warlike people, were sometimes aligned with the Navajo against common enemies during the 1800's. But the alliance didn't last. When the Utes first acquired horses from the Spanish, they enthusiastically embraced the Spanish example by engaging in the slave trade. They reportedly abducted Navajos and other Indians and sold them in New Mexico slave markets. Later, during the American Civil War, some Ute bands took orders from Kit Carson in a military campaign against the Navajo. According to Hicks, the Utes believe the Navajo put a curse on their tribe in retribution for many perceived transgressions. And ever since that time, Hicks was told, the skinwalker has plagued the Ute people.

The ranch property has been declared as off-limits to tribal members because it lies in the path of the skinwalker. Even today, Utes refuse to set foot on what they see as accursed land. But the tribe doesn't necessarily believe that the skinwalker lives on the ranch. Hicks says the Utes told him that the skinwalker lives in a place called Dark Canyon, which is not far from the ranch. In the early 1980's, Hicks sought permission from tribal elders to explore the canyon. He's been told there are centuries-old petroglyphs in Dark Canyon, some of which depict the skinwalker. But the tribal council denied his request to explore the canyon. One member later confided to Hicks that the tribe denied the request because it did not want to disturb the skinwalker for fear that it might "create problems." The tribe's advice to Hicks: "Leave it alone."

Dan Banyshek suggests that some parts of this account don't add up. He thinks it unlikely that the Navajo would enlist the assistance of a skinwalker to carry out their revenge on the Utes, no matter how much the tribe might want some payback on their enemy. "The skinwalkers are regarded as selfish, greedy, and untrustworthy," Banyshek says. "If the Navajo knew someone to be a skinwalker, they would probably kill him, not ask for his help with the Utes. Besides, even if he was asked, the skinwalker would be unlikely to help the Navajo get revenge, since his motives are entirely evil and self-serving. From the Navajo perspective, this story doesn't make sense."

But from the Ute perspective, it could ring true. "The Utes could very likely have concluded that the curse is real," explains Banyshek. "Different tribes or bands would often tell stories about the evil motives of other tribes they were in conflict with, about how another tribe was in league with witches, or how other tribes were cannibals. The Utes might tell themselves this story as a way to explain their own misfortunes."

Hicks told us that the Indians say they see them a lot. "When they go out camping," he says, "they sprinkle bark around their campsites and light it as protection against these things. But it's not just Indians. Whites see them, too." Like his Ute neighbors, Hicks sometimes uses the terms skinwalker and Sasquatch interchangeably. He says he's seen photographs of the telltale huge footprints often associated with Bigfoot, taken in the vicinity of the Gorman ranch. But whether it was a run-of-the-mill Sasquatch or a far more sinister skinwalker isn't always clear, even to those who accept he existence of both.

"There was an incident 16 years ago where a skinwalker was on a porch in Fort Duchesne," Hicks remembers. "They called the tribal police and tracked it east toward the river. They took some shots at it and thought they hit it because they found blood on the ground, but they never found a body."

We also conducted an interview with a Ute man who worked as a security officer for the tribe. He provided us with details about his own encounter with a Bigfoot or skinwalker. Brandon Ware (not his real name) received his police training at an academy associated with the Bureau of Indian Affairs. He says he was working the 10:00 p.m. to 4:00 a.m. shift, guarding a tribal building near a part of the reservation known as Little Chicago. Between midnight and 1:00 in the morning, Ware walked up to check on the building and noticed that the guard dogs inside were calm but intently staring through a window at something outside. They weren't barking, he said, just looking.

"I could see this big ol' round thing, you know, in the patio over there," Ware recalls, " and the hair started raising on my neck and I kinda got worried a little bit trying to figure out what things were. I stood there and watched it for a few minutes, then it came over the top and headed down the road. But I could smell it. Even after it was gone, you could smell it."

Ware says that when the creature realized it was being observed, it briefly looked over at Ware, then vaulted over a short wall that surrounded the patio area outside the building. He says it took off running toward the Little Chicago neighborhood, crashing into garbage cans as it moved past the homes, and generating a cacophony of loud barking by every dog in the immediate area. Ware says he then went into the building and telephoned another on-duty officer who was nearby. By the time Ware left the building, the other officer had pulled up in his patrol car.

Ware told the other officer to turn off his engine so they could listen to the hubbub that was still unfolding among the nearby homes. "We listened a little bit and we could hear it. Then we jumped in and took off. We headed down the hill to see if we could catch up to it."

The two officers didn't see the creature again that night, but had no trouble tracing its path through the cluster of homes because they were able to follow a noticeable trail of scattered garbage cans. "It must have gone straight on through, " Ware recalls. "We could see where cans---people usually tie up their cans---they were all off. I told the other officer, 'hey man, maybe it picked up them cans and was throwing them at those dogs'."

Ware provided us with further details about what he had seen. His initial impression was of something dark and round. But he says that when the creature stood erect to vault over the patio wall, it appeared to be "huge." Ware was carrying a large flashlight at the time of the encounter. He says he was using the flashlight just minutes before the encounter while checking the doors of the building, but when he tried to use it to illuminate the creature, the light wouldn't turn on. When the creature took off running down the hill, the flashlight clicked back on.

"He moved quick," he told us. "Whatever it was, it moved---I called him a 'he'---it could have been a she. It could have been whatever, but he moved quick going down through there. But it was kind of cool. It was neat. I never knew it....it was something I've never seen before. I've heard about them. I heard the old people talking about some of these things."

Just a few nights later, Ware got a chance for a second look. He and another officer, "Bob", were patrolling a back road that emerges at a spot known as Shorty's Hill. They emerged from the road to a pasture area that is punctuated by a large rock. "I don't know if it was the same guy or not," Ware says. "It was a big ol' black hairy thing hanging there, and when it turned around, it had big ol' eyes on him about yea big. We'd just passed it and I told Bob 'there he is,' and then he come to a screeching halt and we backed up. By the time we got out, it was gone."

Ware described the creature's eyes as being "coal red" and unusually large. He isn't sure whether the headlights of the patrol car might have affected his perception of the beast's eye color, but tends to doubt it. He has no doubt about the presence of the beast itself. "We got out there to go look and we had shotguns and pistols and everything. We were going to blow him away," Ware admits.

When pressed for his opinion of what he had seen, whether it might have been a Sasquatch or even a skinwalker, Ware's response seemed to draw a distinction between the two, but the distinction became blurry as the conversation progressed and Ware explained his understanding of tribal lore.

"Sasquatch, he's an old man, an old man that lives on a mountain," he explained. "He just comes in and looks at people and then he goes back out again. He just lives there all his life, never takes care of himself, and just smells real bad. Almost like, almost like that guy, like he is dirty, dirty human being smell is what it smelled like...a real deep, bad odor....It smelled like dirty bad underarms...The closer I got, the worse the smell got." Could the creature he saw have been a skinwalker?

"Nope," said Ware. "A skinwalker's smaller. A skinwalker is the size of humans, six foot and under. They don't come in most of the time to where the animals are at. They come in where people are at. They can come right here and you'd never know he was standing here looking at you in the middle of the night...they can take the shape of anything they want to take the shape of. Like I said, they're medicine."

Ware said that skinwalker sightings among the Utes are not uncommon. He told us of an encounter with two shapeshifters near the Gorman ranch. The figures he described are so unusual, so far outside our own concept of reality as to be almost comical, like something out of a Saturday morning cartoon. One local who saw them in the road in Fort Duchesne described them as humans with dog heads smoking cigarettes. But Ware was perfectly serious in his description. He certainly did not bare his soul for comic effect and we have no interest in making light of his story. For him, and for many others, skinwalkers are as real as the morning sun or the evening moon. They are a part of everyday life, and they most certainly are integral to the story of the Gorman ranch.

Could the Utes have used the skinwalker curse as an all- encompassing explanation for their assorted tribal misfortunes, as Banyshek asks? Or are they relying on the legend as an umbrella explanation for the wide range of paranormal events that have been reported in the vicinity of their lands for generations--in particular, in the vicinity of the ranch?

If a skinwalker really is a shapeshifter, capable of mind control and other trickery, might it also have the ability to conjure up nightmarish visions of Bigfoot or UFOs? Could it steal and mutilate cattle, incinerate dogs, generate images of monsters , unknown creatures, or extinct species, and could it also frighten hapless residents with poltergeist-like activity?

At the very least, the skinwalker legend might be a convenient way for the Utes to grasp a vast menu of otherwise inexplicable events, the same sort of events that might stymie and confuse a team of modern scientists.

One thing is sure, by summer 2007 it is obvious that the legend of skinwalkers is entering popular culture in ways not seen before.

Colm Kelleher and George Knapp
Authors: Hunt for the Skinwalker
http://www.huntfortheskinwalker.com/

Sketch of a skinwalker by Navajo Elder Chief Leonard Dan
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Navajo Elder Chief Leonard Dan discusses the skinwalker and sasquatch.

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[Tyy1907]

The Gormans finally took the hint that they shouldn't be there.

As others have said, it sounds like that ranch has some definate vortex phenomena going on. That so called poltergeist activity that happened could have been the Sasquatch people trying to get them to leave. Course that was after losing an animal right off the bat.

A lot o this skinwalker lines up with accounts of Sasquatch phenomena. Interesting stuff!

BTW thanks DNA. Between "Tribal Bigfoot", "Hoopa Project" and Lapseritis' "Sasquatch People", there are other absolutely fascinating eyewitness accounts of Sasquatch and related experiences. When I get more time I'll post somemore testimonies. Whats also noteworthy for those who aren't aware is the first two books I mentioned, ALL of the witnesses were required to sign affidavits swearing to the authenticity of their experiences.

[Mike]

all the manifestations, and all the combinations of these manifestations seem so absurd and so ridiculously unlikely to occur in the same place and at the same time, that one cant help but think that there is an enormous prank being played. that's not to say there are a bunch of red necks hiding in the woods wearing crypto costumes; im suggesting that there is *one source* behind all this phenomena...or one energy, if you will - one paranormal energy...-or-....as DNA suggested, there are a high volume of portals in this one area and all these freaks are pouring out of it at an enormous rate.

Gorman did report something very interesting: he said he saw the sky open up...and at the end of a tunnel (portal?) he saw *another* blue sky, with various ships coming and going. it was as if this world were being connected to another by this action. sounds very portal-like to me.

and yet, there is the trickster element here. there is a malevolent mischievousness that is undeniable. it seems to be saying: wait to these humans get a load of this!

we humans have a desire to tag and label stuff - that's understandable. it helps us organize our thoughts and surroundings. and yet, I think it may unintentionally confound us at times too. after all, what is a bigfoot? what is a dogman? what is a skinwalker??? for all we know, they might be the same exact thing! they may come from the same family, or source. the ranch also reported heavy poltergeist activity....but whats the difference between poltergeist activity and ufo/otherdimesnional activity? both seem to have the ability to move things at will, manifest disembodied voices etc. maybe both were at the ranch; maybe one and not the other; maybe neither; maybe it was something else entirely. but we're stuck with these labels, and we do the best we can with them but perhaps we're off by more than a few degrees...

im groggy and thick-tongued this morning so I don't think im doing a good job of expressing myself. I guess what im saying is, maybe its not so outrageous that all these manifestations occurred at the ranch after all. maybe *theyre all the same thing*. maybe its only our labels that separate them. I always think of the simple metaphor of fish looking up at a boat (if fish were evolved enough to entertain logical thought). they see the bottom and they assume that's all there is to it. theyre oblivious to the topside and the humans operating the thing. same thing with the ranch imo - we see all the seemingly separate manifestations of a certain force, without ever seeing the force itself...without ever seeing the puppet master. and I have a feeling that puppet master is screwing with us in a major way.

[Mike]

edit to add: DNA, im checking out your link now. thanks. i have a load of respect for your opinions on this stuff.
Aw shucks Mike/Chinaski you really know how to make a guy blush. :)

I'm listening to coast to coast am right now, and the guest is talking about two different types of cryptids living in her area. One was a Bigfoot and the other was the hyena headed dogman type. This strikes me because there was a hyena headed dogman type at the gorman/skinwalker ranch.
I just caught the guest's name and it's Christine Delaparker.

I think it worth mentioning that i attended a Kiwanee Lapseritis speaking engagement, Kiwanee states he is in communication with sasquatch, so there is that. I mention this because Kewanee states that the sasquatch have told him that the dog headed beings/people are guardians of inner dimensional portals. So there that is


interesting...

I awoke one night ( couldn't sleep), turned on coast, and there was a woman discussing cryptids, and I was surprised when she included a certain type of super soldier with all the rest of 'em. you just don't picture super soldiers traipsing through dense forests for the heck of it (at least I don't)...but there she was, talking about it all in great detail..

the damnable misery of it all was that I fell back asleep within 15 mins. didn't catch her name. that's an easy fix, I s'pose. ill go on the coast site and dig her up..

anyway, it didn't hit me till days later, but Gormans wife witnessed what she called a "trailer" one night, smack dab in the middle of one of their fields. the rub is, there is only one way to get to that location, and that was to pass by her house...which no one or no thing had done for hours. in this trailer, she witnessed an incredibly large man working at what appeared to be a desk. he was wearing an all black uniform. I believe he was a hundred yards or so away from her location in the house. at one point, she felt that he had become aware of her, and in that instance he appeared in the doorway of this trailer and stared her down. she reported that this man appeared to be 7 ft tall or taller.

next day she studied the area with her husband, and sure enough they saw massive boot prints in the mud...with soles that left a "wavy pattern" if I recall correctly. this immediately made me think of John Keel's mothman book, as several of the entities reported there wore boots leaving an identical pattern. "moon boots", I believe he called them

[Mike]

Great topic to keep alive Mike. Whatever is living on those grounds, there is some serious F off energy.

Why? Seems that they are door bitches for
Something you or I have no business looking into

Who gets scared ?

Who benefits?

Even Sean Stone and Jesse Ventura's son could not get close to an answer.

I'd like to pose the question to Duncan O'Fionioan .. He surely would know something. He and his partner Miranda actually go into places like this to clean them out. It is not the kind of energy I want to meet. Hell no!


hey Zeb, id like to hear Duncan's take too! and id love to go there with him as well. id likely cower behind him the entire time, but still...would be fun!

[DNA]

So I had this dream last night. I was living next to a small river, out in the middle of no where. In the dream l had memories of repeated sasquatch sightings all of which really creeped me out. In the dream my family and myself were standing at the foot of a bridge over the river. On the other side of the river a sasquatch approached, immanating fear and intimidation on purpose, psychicly. My family as and myself were paralyzed as the sasquatch approached us from 60-70 yards away. My wife woke me because I was scared and screaming " f@ck you sasquatch, f@ck you sasquatch". Pretty weird because I've never had a sasquatch nightmare before.

[Mike]

So I had this dream last night. I was living next to a small river, out in the middle of no where. In the dream l had memories of repeated sasquatch sightings all of which really creeped me out. In the dream my family and myself were standing at the foot of a bridge over the river. On the other side of the river a sasquatch approached, immanating fear and intimidation on purpose, psychicly. My family as and myself were paralyzed as the sasquatch approached us from 60-70 yards away. My wife woke me because I was scared and screaming " f@ck you sasquatch, f@ck you sasquatch". Pretty weird because I've never had a sasquatch nightmare before.


I think you could make a small fortune off some custom t-shirts: a hairy bipedal beast on the front....and on the back "f#ck you Sasquatch!"

;)

[Tyy1907]

So I had this dream last night. I was living next to a small river, out in the middle of no where. In the dream l had memories of repeated sasquatch sightings all of which really creeped me out. In the dream my family and myself were standing at the foot of a bridge over the river. On the other side of the river a sasquatch approached, immanating fear and intimidation on purpose, psychicly. My family as and myself were paralyzed as the sasquatch approached us from 60-70 yards away. My wife woke me because I was scared and screaming " f@ck you sasquatch, f@ck you sasquatch". Pretty weird because I've never had a sasquatch nightmare before.

It's no wonder they stay hidden when hairless humans are around. 99.9% of people just could not take the sight of one up close. Not ready on so many levels.

[DNA]

So we have UFO's flying around Skinwalker Ranch and we have Bigfoots running around skinwalker ranch.

I hate to keep going to the Kiwanee Lapseritis well, but let me just state, the guy comes off really intelligent, and though I'll stop short of saying I believe him, I will say that while I suspended my disbelief to watch his videos, at the conclusion of said videos I've still managed to sustain the suspension of my disbelief.
In this video Kiwanee talks about what he considers to be a fact that the Sasquatch due to being telepathic talk with Aliens and are working willingly in conjunction with aliens.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIqyiPz735c&x-yt-ts=1421914688


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdGJCzTu2AY&x-yt-ts=1421914688


These videos are absolutely worth watching in my opinion. There is a lot of material, but one of the points past the Sasquatch/Alien connection I want to make is the statement by Kiwanee that the Sasquatch say the time of the humans on this planet is coming to an end, not by the hand of the Sasquatch, but by natural events that are unfolding. My best guess through memory from watching the videos was a Solar Flare, and or the magnetic field weakening. Though the Sasquatch/Aliens are said to not be bringing about this end, the Sasquatch are said to not be very saddened at the prospect of mankind experiencing a massive die off. Again, all of this according to Kiwanee.


So there is that piece of information, and then I ran into this little tid bit from the Val Valarien Matrix II Book.

This is from Val Valarien's 1991 Matrix II Book Page 187
Due to some PDF thing, I can't cut and paste it, so, I'm typing it. Forgive any errors.
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Inner Earth Species

called Sasquatch

IN April of 1974, psychic Joyce Partise of southern California held a sealed envelope in her hands. Unknown to her, that envelope held a photograph of a Sasquatch footprint taken in a heavily wooded area in the northern part of the state.
Her initial remarks:
"This envelope is like a death certificate! I foresee an impending disaster, yes, now I see what it is. These things are coming from outer space - it's an outer space war! The first area will be Portland, Oregon. There's a mountain with a hole in it. Somebody should investigate this mountain because they're down there already. You know hairy things that run around, the ape man? He's not an ape. they're underground, in contact with outer space and their intentions toward mankind is total destruction".

Excerpts from the rest of the reading

"This gorilla man - there's a civilization of thousands of them - he looks creepy but he's intelligent. Their eyes are extremely sensitive from being underground. It's though they're from another civilization long ago and have mutated because of radiation. This has altered their brains and now they're able to communicate with those in outer space. The sad thing is that these aliens are using them for their work, for laborers, but I can't tell what they're building. These aliens are desperate. Something is happening to their planet and they are preparing themselves for the time when they must leave. They must have a place to go, and right now they are analyzing our planet with the help of those hairy creatures and want to take it over.



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And last but not least, there is this amazing article from

From an article in the 1924 Oregonian.
Earliest Documented Bigfoot Sighting in the Pacific NorthWest Parts 1 (http://hamell.net/earliest-documented-bigfoot-sighting-in-pacific-northwest/) and 2 (http://hamell.net/earliest-documented-bigfoot-sighting-in-pacific-northwest-part-2/).


This article has loads of interesting data correlating with what we are talking about. It's almost a mini "Hunt for the Skinwalker" piece from a 1924 newspaper.

The one point I'm taking from it here, and I'm limiting myself so as to not burden folks with too much information is, this point the Indians of the area make about the Sasquatch being Brothers to the Noseless Ones.
Noseless ones sounds pretty much like what we consider to be 90% of the aliens described by contactees.



L. Peter James of the Lummi tribe related last year to the writer that the Seeahtik always leaves a tiny branch of cedar tree at places they have visited or upon people whom they have killed or played a practical joke on. The Duwamish tribe at one time related that some of their women had been stolen. The Seeahtiks in a rage killed 12 of the Duwamish tribe by ripping them in two. Mr. James’ mother, who is still alive, was a witness to the tragedy. She said; “They took our young men like toys, turning them upside down and ripping them in two like a piece of calico. Never again did the Duwamish tribe seek revenge when their women and babies were stolen by these Snayihum or Indians of the night and brothers to the Noseless one.”

[Crystalcollector]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQR7i4tnfEM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-zj-YYaFkk

[DNA]

So I was checking out this killer resource page on SKINWALKER RANCH found here. http://www.skinwalkerranch.org/links.html
And on this page I ran into this individuals recounting of a ceremony in which young native men are chosen and they go through a ceremony to become a skinwalker.
Now I've never been a big believer of the Native American explanation for a skinwalker because it was something that always seemed to be an attempt to explain the crazy phenomenon we have all come to expect from skinwalker ranch.
Basically cryptids with human and animal characteristics that defied explanation so the Natives in the area concocted a Skinwalker myth, but now I don't know.
I'm going to copy and paste a story a young man shared about his person experience as being involved in a skinwalker initiation of sorts.
I see a lot of correlations between these skinwalker initiation ceremonies and the human sacrifice satanic bohemian grove type spirit cooking stuff we have come to see from the elite. Could be they are plugging into the same source via their inhuman practices.


When there comes a time for a child to be born, there are several children that are sensitives & those that are sensitives get chosen. We who are sensitive to evil or good can "see" what normal people can't. ESP as many scientists believe to be "paranormal" or "supernatural" but you have to see it in the eyes of us who have been taught that "everything" is possible & it is all limitless. So basically we see things & we let our elders know, now when children cry it's either because something was bothering them or they sense something bad. Easy, when a child is laughing or is smiling while no one is in the room. It "could" be a good spirit playing with them, or it "could" be a bad spirit playing with them. It's hard to tell because there is nothing "evil" in the beginning. It's all trickery to us because they can't harm the innocent. I was one of these children who was a sensitive & I was given the name, Hashke Ta Deezwood, which translates to "One who walks around with warriors" or "One who is always honest with those he encounters". Now, with me, my grandmother raised me to be a good kid. Never into the going out at night or opening a window at night or whistling at night. No-No for a child because that's what calls the bad spirits over to you. So I did nothing but listen to her stories of all these things. My father came into the picture when I was like 5 or 6 & he just visited time to time. Now when I turned 8, I was allowed to go with him to his place. He then started my "training" as I call it. I was hunting & gathering things with him. I thought it was fun because I was hanging out with my father. Now when I turned 9 it began, I was the youngest of the group of kids chosen by his "elders" to partake in this event. I was a sensitive & still am, so they performed a 3 day ceremony in which they had a huge bon fire going & they were dancing around it. They had their skins & animals skins, when I say skins I mean human skins as well. There were people getting butchered & mutilated in these camps in the caves on top of the mountains near my hometown. I vividly remember watching a man get slaughtered & I can remember his screams of agony. This is what haunts me to this day, I tell people all the time, "Dude, you have NO idea what it's like to go through hell or have to hear screams from it or even watch it". We the children have to sit in front of a mirror, this mirror is like a portal to another deep dark dimension & it remains dark until the ceremony is almost complete. It reflects our image but in a ghastly way. Now the chants & songs are being made while people around are getting slaughtered & we have to fast without food or water for the whole three days, while in front of these huge bon fires while watching our own image in a dark mirror. Once the three days are over & there are some of us who survive, keep in mind that they choose up to 15 kids & only three of us make it out alive. I'm the youngest of all of them. Now the 4th day we have to go around talking to animals in THEIR language & we HAVE to understand them. We have to play with some & then challenge some, all while being observed by skinwalkers that are already initiated. If we pass with their approval, we get to do one more thing. Eat, but in order to do so we have to kill either an animal or a human. Then we eat whichever we kill. I killed a prairie dog because I couldn't even stand the thought of eating a person. That's what sets the Skinwalkers apart, whether you eat an animal or human. Eating an animal will most likely result in us being able to obtain "white" or "clear" eyes UNLESS you eat snakes or coyotes. Eating a human will always result in obtaining the famous & infamous "red" or "yellow" eyes. Once the sacrifice is made & you survive through it all, you obtain the right to be called a skinwalker. Now keep in mind that even skinwalkers play by the Natural Law. They come together in this time, be it bad or a good skinwalker, to raise more skinwalkers. But this only happens every rare occasion in which there are changes that are being made by the planet due to climate or interplanetary change. We are more in tune with nature then most. We understand the crystal & how it communicates to us. This is why most scientists believe that logic does not mix with reality. Logic is their way of "trying" to explain something they don't understand & are afraid of. We on the other hand know enough that there are always going to be things that we can't explain but we will describe it. We won't be afraid of it because if it's in our world, then it must be in others as well. Meaning it was ALWAYS there to begin with so it's nothing new to the universe but it is to us therefore it is NOT supernatural or paranormal. Same goes for spirits/aliens/ufos, they're just crossing over, no big deal. Now Mother Earth provides us chosen with massive amounts of energy which we can keep forever. We have the power to manipulate & control certain things. I for one can control the weather with my emotions & I can befriend any wild animal & I can also manipulate peoples thought process. I was chosen with clear eyes, & I was given an bald eagle feather. See, most don't know this but you don't need the full skin to transform, you just need a piece of a part of the animal. I transformed for the first time, it took me 12 hours to master the art. I had to let go of all the limits I was taught, see I was taught that I could only go so far before there would be no limits like they teach nowadays but you have to let it ALL go in order to realize the beauty of shifting. Once shifted, you can fly as high as YOU see fit. It was great, being 9 & flying over Shiprock at high speeds. Having pure sight of everything was the best. Then I did something stupid. I transformed back while I was trying to land, I landed on my face.... HARD. I stumbled a bit & I couldn't remember anything for awhile but then I caught my thoughts & I knew what I had done. I was proud of myself. I was greeted back at the caves with joy & food/water. I enjoyed every meal afterward because I was hungry. The other kids had turned too. One transformed into a snake & the other was cougar. We were happy until it came time to face the mirrors. I got in front of my mirror, stared into my own eyes & saw a great glory. Clear eyes. The Mirror then finally became "wavy" as if it was part of the water & something had hit it to make it start to wave. In the mirror was a mountain of flames & towering over those flames was a dark winged creature that had a long jaw & what looked like ram horns. It stared at me & it called me it's son, but it said my purpose was to help those in need & to fight for the better good. Therefore it rejected me & said that I was no longer it's son & it was gonna protect me from harm but it would have nothing to do with me. The mirror cracked & the pieces fell, the other kids didn't have the same experience. Their mirrors were returned to normal so I guess I was the one that the mirror decided to show me this image. After all this, my dad took me back to his house & we slept with the doors open. I didn't care, I was practically invincible & had this thought that I could do whatever I wanted & I was fully protected but I snapped, this orb of light came into the house & I stood up. I wasn't scared & this orb flew into me, it tickled & I started to glow as if I was a glow stick. I walked outside & I saw a face form out of dust in front of me. It was a man, he spoke to me saying that he was the Creator & that what had happened was for the best & that I was to be honored to protect the people when I transformed. I was excited & I didn't want to believe it was the Creator speaking to me so the orb left. I went to sleep. Next day, I got back home to my mothers' & I told her everything. She freaked out & took me to a medicine man fast. I got all the ceremonies done to reverse it all but I feel that it's stuck with me & that I can still transform. I haven't tried it but if you knew what it felt like, your body thirsts to do it again. So on occasion I clear the clouds & I make sure no animals harm people. I hope this helps you in your quest to seek the truth on your end but I'm pretty much covered on everything needed. By the way, 2012 is going to be a normal year, same goes for 2013. It's just a time for transition & coming of evolution. I'd tell you more but I'll leave the rest to your research. Blessings from afar, peace

[mojo]

Here's an interesting story... Dr Nolan the geneticist that became part of Greer's Sirius movie, came and visited my location a few times in 2012 to observe the ufo activity. He also asked me to help him find a prominent case involving ET trace evidence (ie Atacama humanoid) and eventually helped hook him up with Greer and he ended up being in the movie. Because Greer had the big movie premier event planned in California and was friends with Jacques Vallee living in CA and nearby Dr Nolan lived, Nolan was invited to meet Vallee. There was a new friendship developed and they shared some intriguing things about the skinwalker ranch which Dr Nolan couldn't tell me all but left enough to wet my whistle. We know Robert Bigelow is now in control of the ranch and it turns out the Jacques is also part of the ranch research. These public figures in ufology are an important clue to ongoing activity.

Here's a video of Dr Nolan operating my night vision device and he spotted a strange illumination.
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[Mike]

I've just finished reading "chameleo" by Robert Guffey. It's a very bizarre tale of military gang stalking and electronic harassment and so so much more.

It begins with a man named Dion Fuller, a meth addict and all around f#ck up (a charming f#ck up, it must be noted) housing a younger army guy who, unbeknownst to Dion initially, stole what seemed to be night vision goggles, a laptop and a few other things from the military...and was now sort of on the run.

What happens next is impossible to explain in a paragraph or 2. The army man is caught; no one knows what happened to him. But the navy and this one agent in particular , Lita Johnston, stubbornly cling to this idea that Dion has the stolen goods(he doesnt). From here on out he is harassed incessantly, using everything from basic "street theatre" gang stalking to electronic harassment to drones to "invisible midgits". Yes....invisible midgits.

Some of the harassment technology on display in this book is simply unheard of. I wont go into detail here, but it appears as tho the military can replicate just about any paranormal phenomena out there. It's truly staggering.

It made me view the events at skinwalker ranch thru new eyes. Many of the events in "chameleo" mirrored those of the ranch. Im not saying it's all military inspired...not at all. But it opened my mind to the possibility that the military could be involved there too.

Theres an elusive relationship between the rogue elements of the military and the high strangeness on display in places like the skinwaker ranch, and point pleasant west virginia (john keel obliquely referenced a military operation going on on the ohio river - one he couldnt discuss for some reason .- in his book "the mothman prophecies"). At one point in the SW Ranch book, mrs gorman sees what she calls a "trailer" in a field adjacent to their house(which is in the middle of nowhere). There was a window and it was brighly lit inside. She observed a very large man in the trailer at what appeared to be a desk. He was in military gear. He noticed her observing him at one point and stepped out of the trailer and glared at her menacingly. He appeared to be a massive man. The next day she discovered huge footprints in the mud in that area. The "trailer" was gone...

..It was this and other events that make me wonder: what is this bizarre relationship between the dark military and all things highly strange?

[Bill Ryan]

I've just finished reading "chameleo" by Robert Guffey. It's a very bizarre tale of military gang stalking and electronic harassment and so so much more.

It begins with a man named Dion Fuller, a meth addict and all around f#ck up (a charming f#ck up, it must be noted) housing a younger army guy who, unbeknownst to Dion initially, stole what seemed to be night vision goggles, a laptop and a few other things from the military...and was now sort of on the run.

What happens next is impossible to explain in a paragraph or 2. The army man is caught; no one knows what happened to him. But the navy and this one agent in particular , Lita Johnston, stubbornly cling to this idea that Dion has the stolen goods(he doesnt). From here on out he is harassed incessantly, using everything from basic "street theatre" gang stalking to electronic harassment to drones to "invisible midgits". Yes....invisible midgits.

Some of the harassment technology on display in this book is simply unheard of. I wont go into detail here, but it appears as tho the military can replicate just about any paranormal phenomena out there. It's truly staggering.

Yes. See this thread:


CHAMELEO -- SAIC's classified (and operational) invisibility program (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94050-CHAMELEO-SAIC-s-classified--and-operational--invisibility-program)

There are several interviews by author Robert Guffey, all of which are fascinating and also often hilarious. (He's a good raconteur of these ridiculous events.)

I'd also like to bump this video, of George Knapp's excellent two hour presentation about the Skinwalker Ranch... staggering stuff, and Knapp is a good raconteur, too.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-zj-YYaFkk

[Ewan]

I've just finished reading "chameleo" by Robert Guffey. It's a very bizarre tale of military gang stalking and electronic harassment and so so much more.

It begins with a man named Dion Fuller, a meth addict and all around f#ck up (a charming f#ck up, it must be noted) housing a younger army guy who, unbeknownst to Dion initially, stole what seemed to be night vision goggles, a laptop and a few other things from the military...and was now sort of on the run.

What happens next is impossible to explain in a paragraph or 2. The army man is caught; no one knows what happened to him. But the navy and this one agent in particular , Lita Johnston, stubbornly cling to this idea that Dion has the stolen goods(he doesnt). From here on out he is harassed incessantly, using everything from basic "street theatre" gang stalking to electronic harassment to drones to "invisible midgits". Yes....invisible midgits.

Some of the harassment technology on display in this book is simply unheard of. I wont go into detail here, but it appears as tho the military can replicate just about any paranormal phenomena out there. It's truly staggering.

It made me view the events at skinwalker ranch thru new eyes. Many of the events in "chameleo" mirrored those of the ranch. Im not saying it's all military inspired...not at all. But it opened my mind to the possibility that the military could be involved there too.

Theres an elusive relationship between the rogue elements of the military and the high strangeness on display in places like the skinwaker ranch, and point pleasant west virginia (john keel obliquely referenced a military operation going on on the ohio river - one he couldnt discuss for some reason .- in his book "the mothman prophecies"). At one point in the SW Ranch book, mrs gorman sees what she calls a "trailer" in a field adjacent to their house(which is in the middle of nowhere). There was a window and it was brighly lit inside. She observed a very large man in the trailer at what appeared to be a desk. He was in military gear. He noticed her observing him at one point and stepped out of the trailer and glared at her menacingly. He appeared to be a massive man. The next day she discovered huge footprints in the mud in that area. The "trailer" was gone...

..It was this and other events that make me wonder: what is this bizarre relationship between the dark military and all things highly strange?

Skinwalker Ranch.

If I recall correctly there was a military base on the other side of the mountain behind the property, Gorman contacted the base and spoke with the commander at one point only to be told they hadn't seen anything unusual. (Does that ring a bell?)

Skinwalker could have been a testing ground for their tech, but historically it (skinwalker ranch) had always been related to odd goings on; (again, I think, relying on memory alone here).

Perhaps it was through the study of existing anomolies that allowed them to isolate the energies and techniques neeeded, to take it further afield and use at will?

[Mike]

Hi Ewan, yes, thanks for mentioning that! Ive had similar thoughts. It may not be that its just ufo's, or just military....It may be like you said - the military is there to observe and learn. So theres a dual presence there most likely.

@Bill, darn, I wanted to start that chameleo thread.:)

[AutumnW]

A friend of mine was with the Bigelow group researching Skinwalker ranch. He witnessed the portal opening up in the sky. Brave guy. I don't think I could have pulled an over nighter there. They should have turned it into a Bed and Breakfast for people who are fascinated by this stuff and not terrified by it. I am sure there aren't too many people who would be up to the challenge. Same friend parked in the middle of a field where fresh cattle mutilations had taken place and spent the night! I would have been scared out of my wits.

The book was hair raising--felt like a Mothman type of thing to me. The big military guy in the 'trailer,'. OMG. God knows what the military can do, in modern times, in terms of their tech, but this goes back many generations, so not sure that explains it.

[skogvokter]

I've just finished reading "chameleo" by Robert Guffey. It's a very bizarre tale of military gang stalking and electronic harassment and so so much more.

Thanks for the rec.


At one point in the SW Ranch book, mrs gorman sees what she calls a "trailer" in a field adjacent to their house(which is in the middle of nowhere). There was a window and it was brighly lit inside. She observed a very large man in the trailer at what appeared to be a desk. He was in military gear. He noticed her observing him at one point and stepped out of the trailer and glared at her menacingly. He appeared to be a massive man. The next day she discovered huge footprints in the mud in that area. The "trailer" was gone...

That was the creepiest part of the whole book, and that says something.


Skinwalker could have been a testing ground for their tech, but historically it (skinwalker ranch) had always been related to odd goings on; (again, I think, relying on memory alone here).

Perhaps it was through the study of existing anomolies that allowed them to isolate the energies and techniques neeeded, to take it further afield and use at will?
Maybe. If I recall correctly they used some remote viewers who reported they saw militay involved and marines looking through binoculars.

[boja]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWbPzQX1lQo

Further to the recent thread on "BOB LAZAR / Cosmic Whistleblower" found here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100278-BOB-LAZAR-Cosmic-Whistleblower

It seemed appropriate to examine JEREMY CORBELL (who made this recent film about Bob Lazar), to find out more about his work.

This radio interview from 15 Aug 2017 gives a pretty good overview of JEREMY CORBELL's work in progress and his perspective on the phenomena.

Although the interview is 3 hours long, there is a lot of information about Jeremy's work on :-
1) "Skinwalker Ranch" in N.E. Utah,
2) "Patient 17" the last patient from whom an implant was removed by Dr ROGER LEIR
before he suffered a "heart attack",
3) "Bob Lazar / Cosmic Whistleblower".

Plus other various interesting pieces of information.

Jeremy is a relatively "younger" guy amongst the researchers, which is what we do need, since we have lost several lately with several more older ones unable to do as much as they did. He's quite passionate about the subject , and personally I didn't find hardly anything to disagree with during his interview. (In my humble opinion).

He also has an interesting perspective on Steven Greer's latest film, "Unacknowledged", which apparently uses Richard Doty (a known CIA disinformant) as a prime player.

[Satori]

A colleague and I both saw what we then believed to be and were told was a Skinwalker. We saw it late one night, around 11:00 pm., while driving on the Navajo Indian Reservation from Window Rock, Arizona, to Shiprock, New Mexico. Both of these towns are located on the Navajo Res. This occurred in late 1979, or early 1980.

What ever it was, it was standing in the middle of the road as we approached it in the car. It was dark in color, very large and furry or hairy. It was not a dog, a wolf, a coyote, a bear or anything clearly recognizable. It did not move an inch as we approached and whisked on by, but its head did turn slowly to watch us go by. (My experience when encountering live animals on the road is that they will move off the road as you approach. I'm sure there are exceptions, but that is my experience. This thing did not budge and was unconcerned.) We both looked at each other and our eyes were wide open with wonder. We slowed down a bit to look back. The guy I was with was driving, so I could get a better look than him. We briefly discussed stopping to get a better look, but without saying too much to each other we both knew that stopping was not a good idea. We kept going and discussed whether it was a Skinwalker. We concluded it was, and the Navajo people we spoke to said they agreed. (I lived on the Navajo Res. for about a year and knew many of the locals.)

[mojo]

Of course could never confirm this but heard it second hand from someone that discussed UFOs with Jacques and met him personally for lunch etc a few times. He told me Jacques Vallee was working with Bob Bigelow and quess where that work would take him, the skinwalker ranch would be on the list.. I wish the secrecy would end and let scientists tell of the unusual happenings.

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There exists a “ranch” so strange, so bizarre, that the National Institute for Discovery Science (owned by Las Vegas businessman and billionaire Bob Bigelow) purchased it solely for scientific research purposes. Skinwalker Ranch located in the Uintah Basin near the town of Fort Duchesne, paranormal phenomenon such as strange creatures, bizarre objects, flying black triangles, animal mutilations, and telepathic messages, have been reported on the 480 acre Skinwalker Ranch for hundreds of years.

It is estimated that over half the population in the area surrounding the ranch have witnessed unusual paranormal activity on, or near what became known as the “Strangest Place on Earth”. Even the local Ute Indians believe the land to be cursed – and tribe members are strictly forbidden to enter the property.

[mojo]

A few years ago while unemployed and called my friend Garry to ask if he could help make a connection for a job. Since he knew Jacques and how UFO research might be a connection between us I asked if there might be any work unpaid or otherwise in paranormal with Jacques and hopefully at the skinwalker ranch under his area of research. Even filled out an job app on Bigelows aerospace website which is based in Nevada for any possible work. Unfortunately was totally unqualified and there was no job openings for paranormal work at skinwalker. But honestly why not have people that would volunteer to help on the work at skinwalker? Also sure wouldnt be the only one asking.

[Bill Ryan]

For anyone who doesn't know (or know much!) about the saga of the Skinwalker Ranch, this June 2008 presentation by George Knapp is the best I've personally come across. (And some of the information is so off-the-wall ridiculous, even Knapp himself is reluctant to recount it...)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-zj-YYaFkk

[DNA]

Not to sound like Woody Harrelson in his trailer outside of Yellowstone in the movie 2012 but the Government absolutely knows and understands these portal zones.
In Sedona the Federal Government bought the Bradshaw Ranch and it is now off limits to the public.
For those of you who know about Skinwalker Ranch and you do not know about the Bradshaw Ranch I suggest you watch this Tom Dongo video I'm about to share.
Just for the record, if I could pick one guy for Bill to do a Skype Project Avalon Interview with, it would be Tom Dongo.


Do yourself a favor and watch this amazing Tom Dongo speaking presentation of the Bradshaw Ranch and the high strangeness in the surrounding Sedona area.
Dongo has and shares absolutely incredible pictures during this presentation.
Pictures of large rectangle shaped portals in the air, and beings who appear to be using the portals appear in some of these pictures as well.
Absolutely fascinating on so many levels.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW70x8xd3T0&t=1477s
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[Joe from the Carolinas]

I’ve always wondered what people have been talking about, thanks for the intro videos. There’s got to be other points similar elsewhere, but these are pretty bizarre reports.

[Patient]

I’ve always wondered what people have been talking about, thanks for the intro videos. There’s got to be other points similar elsewhere, but these are pretty bizarre reports.

I am sure that there are other areas. Perhaps not as "busy" a spot as Skinwalker ranch is. Considering that there are a lot of things that occur at the ranch that are paranormal, perhaps certain types of paranormal occurrences require a portal entry of some sort. Ghost investigators use EMF detectors (Electronic Magnetic Field devices).

[mojo]

Hi all,

According to the Bigelow sound bite the researchers filmed and observed the paranormal events. That is pretty amazing and why haven't we heard or seen the evidence? Layers and layers of secrecy and how will the human race ever advance if we keep secrets?

[Flowerpunkchip]

Great posts. Thank you. Watched all the videos. Makes me want to one day visit the Sedona area the day I visit the USA. (Maybe that's a crazy idea)

Do you remember the Stardust Ranch which Kerry visited twice?
I would love to hear another update.
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[Bill Ryan]

In Sedona the Federal Government bought the Bradshaw Ranch and it is now off limits to the public.
For those of you who know about Skinwalker Ranch and you do not know about the Bradshaw Ranch I suggest you watch this Tom Dongo video I'm about to share.
Just for the record, if I could pick one guy for Bill to do a Skype Project Avalon Interview with, it would be Tom Dongo.

Do yourself a favor and watch this amazing Tom Dongo speaking presentation of the Bradshaw Ranch and the high strangeness in the surrounding Sedona area.
Dongo has and shares absolutely incredible pictures during this presentation.
Pictures of large rectangle shaped portals in the air, and beings who appear to be using the portals appear in some of these pictures as well.
Absolutely fascinating on so many levels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW70x8xd3T0&t=1477s
NW70x8xd3T0

:bump:

Yes, there's some imagery here that's literally almost impossible to believe. (Except, it all actually happened. :) )

At 46:23, we see this:

http://projectavalon.net/Tom_Dongo_Bradshaw_Ranch_1.jpg

Easy to identify! a guy's balding forehead, just in front of the camera. (So close, in fact, it's out of focus.)

But, there was no-one there. The person who took the random photo into the darkness never saw a thing.

And this, at 46:44 — similarly, there was no-one there.

http://projectavalon.net/Tom_Dongo_Bradshaw_Ranch_2.jpg

[Mercedes]

Hi there, it's odd, but I remember seeing the second image the first time with the man's ear being pointy. Do I remember it wrong? Mmmm...

[KiwiElf]

The movie, Skinwalker Ranch (2013) was darned scary, and when "it" finally showed up, it looked like a very large (were?)wolf. The movie itself didn't fare that well (5.1/10) and was done as a docu-drama. If you enjoy creepy, tense, scary movies, it's quite watchable IMO. :)


A scientific research team investigates and documents the supernatural phenomena surrounding the disappearance of a cattle ranchers 10 year old son. Inspired by true events that shocked the paranormal community around the world.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2881698/?ref_=nv_sr_1

[mojo]

There should be some serious field work in the valley to be done by some group of researchers other than those that locked the gate on people that would wish to be a part of understanding skinwalker paranormal events. It doesnt have to be at Skinwalker perhaps some location nearby?

[Noelle]

The movie screen in the sky photo, beginning at around the 37 min. mark in the Dongo video, is incredible -- a big window into another dimension. I've taken some photos of human faces and bodies formed from clouds, and I have seriously considered these beings are in another dimension.

And the image shown at 37.16 min., one of the cloud beings that I took a photo of is very similar, with some sort of shoulder pads or ornaments and holding some kind of tool or weapon.

I hope it's ok to post my photos: the first a blowup of the original and the second with some adjustments made using LunaPic to bring out the details. It was taken in 2016.

[Bill Ryan]

The movie, Skinwalker Ranch (2013) was darned scary, and when "it" finally showed up, it looked like a very large (were?)wolf. The movie itself didn't fare that well (5.1/10) and was done as a docu-drama. If you enjoy creepy, tense, scary movies, it's quite watchable IMO. :)


A scientific research team investigates and documents the supernatural phenomena surrounding the disappearance of a cattle ranchers 10 year old son. Inspired by true events that shocked the paranormal community around the world.

http://imdb.com/title/tt2881698

Here, in the Avalon Library:


http://avalonlibrary.net/Skinwalker_Ranch_(2013).avi (1.17 Gb)

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Looking at these photographs, I'm curious to know if there is a difference when using digital or film.

[KiwiElf]

Looking at these photographs, I'm curious to know if there is a difference when using digital or film.

Oh yes, HUGE difference (literally). (Gahhhh,... Photoshop takes a whole chapter to explain this, so I'll try to condense):

Film is continuous tone which means put simply, it's not made up of dots or pixels, so an enlargement can be enormous before you see the "grain". Digital images are made up of tiny squares or pixels & are resolution dependent. As you enlarge them, the pixels become easy to see. But it also depends on whether you are referring to images which are printed in a magazine versus an original photograph, or pixels in a digital format (like DVD, BluRay or the digital movies on YouTube, or photos you take with a digital camera or see on the internet - these are relatively low resolution on a website to match your computer monitor or TV, ie 72 - 96 ppi or pixels per inch) versus an actual film reel or old style photograph.

In printed format, we use a different method of measurement: dpi (dots per inch) or dpc (dots per centimeter). The original photograph (conventional or digital), is converted to geometrically spaced round dots of varying size to create light and dark/colour mixtures known as a halftone - these are very noticeable in a newspaper; the dots are quite large. In a magazine, the dots are very fine (you'll need a magnifying glass). With inkjet printing or stochastic printing, the dots are very small and are randomly spaced, almost photographic. The printing method we are used to seeing is an optical illusion using (usually) 4 x process colours - Magenta (a dark pinky red), Cyan (a dark sky blue), Yellow & Black (often referred to as CMYK (K=Black) - which are the same as the little containers on an ink jet printer). The "dots" in a colour image are geometrically rotated and overlap, creating the illusion of thousands of colours.

With inkjet printing, you get a much finer result because of the random patterning and incredibly fine dots which are randomly "sprayed" (& mixed on the paper), again, creating the illusion of thousands of colours.

Likewise, an image printed off the internet will look quite pixellated - we need a higher resolution (roughly 4 x the size) to get a good print as a digital photograph or an image we will print in a magazine, although it looks fine on your computer or TV.

A single frame image produced from a standard basic digital camera is enormous compared to video.

Digital Image resolution is a different colour process (RGB for Red Green & Blue) measured by the number of vertical lines times the number of horizontal lines of light in a picture. It is represented by the number of horizontal lines going across the screen like 480, 720 or 1080. The higher the number the higher the resolution and more detailed the picture.

For example: DVD vs BluRay
DVD- Almost all DVDs have a standard definition resolution of 480 or enhanced definition resolution of 520. These resolutions look great on a standard “tube” TV utilizing all available pixels on the screen. (The actual dimensions of such an image are about the size of a pkt of cigarettes or, your typical YouTube size video). However, if blown up to accommodate a widescreen HDTV the picture may look grainy or "pixellated" - you will actually notice the the pixels. Although a DVD can store high definition data it would only fit about 30 minutes maximum.

Blu-ray- Blu-ray was designed for high definition 1080 display. Since they can store 25 GB of data you can fit an entire HD movie on a single layer disc. Blu-ray currently has the best image resolution on the market and looks great on HDTVs. Blu-ray discs are one of the few signal sources that displays in 1080, not even HD cable or satellite companies can claim that yet.

If you enlarged Bill's images (above) or any image off the internet, to say double size, the (square) pixels would become easy to see. With film, it would just appear a little more grainy but still "smooth".

Computer paint programs such as Photoshop, use a method called interpolation to enlarge a digital image by adding or "inventing" pixels in between. (This is used in digital video as well). The enlargement result is OK to a point but will look quite blurry.

This also affects the resolution an image is scanned at to convert it for either print, web or video.

As an example, a scanning resolution for the following if we assume the actual size dimensions of the finished image are constant:
Newspaper = 150 - 200 ppi
Magazine/digital photograph = 225 - 400 ppi
Web page = 72 - 96 ppi

OK... bit more to it than that - it's complicated! :). If you want the real detail, you can go to Adobe & download one of their PDF Help manuals for Photoshop and delve into the chapter on resolution.

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/archive.html

:focus:

[muxfolder]

Dogs smoking cigarettes.. That's my favorite.:bigsmile:

NcLaGlaOMgI


In this episode Ryan and I talk with Chris O'brien about his personal experience and knowledge regarding the Sherman ranch (also known as Skinwalker .

In this episode Ryan and I talk with Chris O'brien about his personal experience and knowledge regarding the Sherman ranch (also known as Skinwalker .

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Looking at these photographs, I'm curious to know if there is a difference when using digital or film.

Oh yes, HUGE difference (literally). (Gahhhh,... Photoshop takes a whole chapter to explain this, so I'll try to condense):

Film is continuous tone which means put simply, it's not made up of dots or pixels, so an enlargement can be enormous before you see the "grain".

What I meant was, I am curious as to whether entities or phenomenon that are outside the visible spectrum, or for whatever reason cannot be seen with the eye, show up the same on digital or film.

[KiwiElf]

Looking at these photographs, I'm curious to know if there is a difference when using digital or film.

Oh yes, HUGE difference (literally). (Gahhhh,... Photoshop takes a whole chapter to explain this, so I'll try to condense):

Film is continuous tone which means put simply, it's not made up of dots or pixels, so an enlargement can be enormous before you see the "grain".

What I meant was, I am curious as to whether entities or phenomenon that are outside the visible spectrum, or for whatever reason cannot be seen with the eye, show up the same on digital or film.

Whoops - :bigsmile: please forgive the misunderstanding - in my own experience yes, they can on digital. I have nothing to compare with on film myself but others have reported strange "anomalies" & "entities" showing up on film which could not be seen with the naked eye.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Looking at these photographs, I'm curious to know if there is a difference when using digital or film.

Oh yes, HUGE difference (literally). (Gahhhh,... Photoshop takes a whole chapter to explain this, so I'll try to condense):

Film is continuous tone which means put simply, it's not made up of dots or pixels, so an enlargement can be enormous before you see the "grain".

What I meant was, I am curious as to whether entities or phenomenon that are outside the visible spectrum, or for whatever reason cannot be seen with the eye, show up the same on digital or film.

Whoops - :bigsmile: please forgive the misunderstanding - in my own experience yes, they can on digital. I have nothing to compare with on film myself but others have reported strange "anomalies" showing up on film which could not be seen with the naked eye.

Thanks. I'm surprised that Dongo has not tried, or at least has not mentioned, other forms of multispectral recording such as infrared. Could be interesting.

[Bill Ryan]

At exactly 11:00 in his Sedona/ Bradshaw Ranch presentation, Tom Dongo mentions that Nancy McKinney's photographs were taken with a digital camera, and that "one of the inventors of digital photography", who didn't want his name mentioned in any connection with the strange images, said "they weren't defects in the camera, at all; the camera was filming actual objects".

[mojo]

Rogan visits to see the Ranch with Ryan Skinner...Ryan seen a lot and Joe says he must be the luckiest man alive showing his skepticism...

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[amor]

On the island of Grenada, British West Indies, the natives tell stories about the Loopgaro or Luggaro (phonetic?). It can take the shape of an animal or beautiful woman who has hooves instead of toes and lures a man to a nearby cliff and then throws him off of it. This shape shifter also takes on the form of a glowing ball levitating through the air and is said to be a vampire. This island has a history. I believe there is an underground or undersea base in its environs. The same is said of Puerto Rico and many of the other islands.

[DNA]

This is a fairly recent interview with Tom Dongo. I have not heard it yet, I plan on listening tonight. I'm surprised I've never seen it before.


I was first introduced to Tom Dongo via his self published books concerning his experiences and those of others he had interviewed for his books.
They are very thin books that get right to the point very quickly.
One of the repeated strange things you hear is talk of an underground US Millitary type base in what is known as Secret Canyon located in the Sedona area.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ9mrBXf27o
aJ9mrBXf27o

[Flowerpunkchip]

This is a fairly recent interview with Tom Dongo. I have not heard it yet, I plan on listening tonight. I'm surprised I've never seen it before.


I was first introduced to Tom Dongo via his self published books concerning his experiences and those of others he had interviewed for his books.
They are very thin books that get right to the point very quickly.
One of the repeated strange things you hear is talk of an underground US Millitary type base in what is known as Secret Canyon located in the Sedona area.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ9mrBXf27o
aJ9mrBXf27o

That birthday clip looks unreal but what do I know?
Would be great if we could look at the full recording but I can't find it.

[muxfolder]

Here's another good one. A lot of commercial breaks, but you can of course just skip them.
N05eb8vGnOg


Skinwalker Ranch is allegedly the site of paranormal and UFO related activities. Its name is taken from the Skinwalker of Native American legend. It was so .

Retired Army Colonel John Alexander was part of a group researchers and scientists who investigated reports of cattle mutilations and other strange occurrence .

In 1995 I was told this story around a fire as a boy scout by who I believe was Ute tribe member Larry Cesspooch. We were at Camp Tomahawk in the Uintas .

George Knapp tells the true story of one of the most bizarre scientific investigations in modern history, skinwalker ranch. A young family purchases a picturesque .

[Tam]

There should be some serious field work in the valley to be done by some group of researchers other than those that locked the gate on people that would wish to be a part of understanding skinwalker paranormal events. It doesnt have to be at Skinwalker perhaps some location nearby?

I could have sworn there's a group of researchers there now, who have been there for a little while, and are making a book/documentary. I'd have to double check when I have time. I'll let ya'll know here as soon as I do.

[skogvokter]

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51jnjko4yqL._SX304_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
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A very interesting book, although not very well written.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51jnjko4yqL._SX304_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

[DNA]

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51jnjko4yqL._SX304_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
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A very interesting book, although not very well written.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51jnjko4yqL._SX304_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg


Not very well written?
This book is a capstone in terms of understanding phenomenon folks such as John Keel and Jacquee Vallee have spent a life time providing glimpses of.
This is a collection of first hand testimonial gathered by investigators, were you expecting Leo Tolstoy? :facepalm:

[Flash]

Am I the only one having real problems with the sound here?


Here's another good one. A lot of commercial breaks, but you can of course just skip them.
N05eb8vGnOg


Skinwalker Ranch is allegedly the site of paranormal and UFO related activities. Its name is taken from the Skinwalker of Native American legend. It was so .

Retired Army Colonel John Alexander was part of a group researchers and scientists who investigated reports of cattle mutilations and other strange occurrence .

In 1995 I was told this story around a fire as a boy scout by who I believe was Ute tribe member Larry Cesspooch. We were at Camp Tomahawk in the Uintas .

George Knapp tells the true story of one of the most bizarre scientific investigations in modern history, skinwalker ranch. A young family purchases a picturesque .

[Bill Ryan]

A really detailed interview with George Knapp about the Skinwalker Ranch story, by Linda Howe and John Burroughs of Phenomenon Radio, on 13 August 2015.

An excellent (and unbelievable!) introduction for anyone who may be new to the whole extraordinary saga.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueLzXRxESGs

[Valerie Villars]

All the phenomenon at this ranch reminds me very much of the movie "The Hunger Games" where the controllers were able to insert 3D figures and phenomenon into the players reality.

[Valerie Villars]

Just finished listening to the above. Really good interview and excellent insights. Ultimately, personal confirmation does trump disclosure, as stated. Thanks, though still no real answers (damn) because I guess ultimately we have to find out for ourselves. Expansion upwards and outwards..................

[skogvokter]

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New documentary out.

[DNA]

A really detailed interview with George Knapp about the Skinwalker Ranch story, by Linda Howe and John Burroughs of Phenomenon Radio, on 13 August 2015.
An excellent (and unbelievable!) introduction for anyone who may be new to the whole extraordinary saga.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueLzXRxESGs

I've not listened to this video and I will give it a go when I have the oppurtunity. I've listened to so many interviews Knapp has given about Skinwalker Ranch since the book has come out that I'm not really driven to do so anymore because he is just rehashing the same thing over and over again, with added admonishments not to visit Skinwalker Ranch and for folks not to attempt to do their own research there.

Skinwalker Ranch is ground zero for a lot of the activity in the region but if folks wanted to research the area it is my opinion that they would find other places in the vicinity with similar if not equal activity to skinwalker ranch.

Also, why doesn't Knapp investigate other locations with similar activity? Why doesn't he broaden the scope of his investigations and interviews?
Tom Dongo contacted Knapp about the Bradshaw ranch, and I've mentioned Tom Dongo on Knapp's twitter account.
Dongo said he was completely ignored by Knapp.
Is Knapp only concerned with continued publicity in connection with Skinwalker Ranch as it affects book sales of his co-written book with Colm Kohler "hunt for the skinwalker"?

[Mike]

All the phenomenon at this ranch reminds me very much of the movie "The Hunger Games" where the controllers were able to insert 3D figures and phenomenon into the players reality.


Ah, great post here.

The late great John Keel, who was one of the early pioneers of high strangeness, admitted to eventually losing interest in all the paranormal manifestations, such as Bigfoot, Mothman, orbs, so forth. He was much more interested in their source. He felt they were all micro-expressions of a single , much larger phenomena. I tend to agree.

It makes me think of the earth-as-computer-simulation theory. If our reality is sort of like a video game, maybe that video game maker is out there in hyperspace just inventing new characters to drop into the game. Maybe when that entitiy is feeling mischievous or bored, he drops quite a few of them in the same spot and at the same time. ..and we get a Skinwalker Ranch, or a Point Pleasant situation.

[Star Tsar]

More from Mr Knapp


Jeremy Corbell

Skinwalker Ranch : A Presentation By George Knapp

Published 22nd September 2018

http://www.hunttheskinwalker.com/

In this presentation Mr Knapp covers the history & mystery of one possibly most strangest places on Earth! That being the paranormal hotspot that is Skinwalker Ranch. From the twenty two million dollars spent by the US DoD for investigative purposes to the current state of UFO investigations by world governments & what role Skinwalker has played in them, George covers it all with a Q&A session @ the end.

sg8iK2OGVLE

[Carmody]

I watched that video (hunt for...) last night, while half asleep. then I stopped it about 3/4 of the way through..and went to bed.

Like remote viewing, It goes both ways.

It's like looking at a photo, and thus being able to 'fix' (Lock on to) a place, likened to an address.

Again, it goes both ways. I ended up not being able to fall asleep, about a dozen times, even though I was deathly tired. Startled as I crossed over into sleep, repeatedly. Entities walking across my bed, both big and small ones.

I get an intelligent chupacabra kinda feeling on this one. Not specifically malevolent but it's actions and acts can/might be viewed this way. For example, the ranchers who ended up with their prize bulls all lined tightly in that box. Was it trying to help... or was it being mischievous... or both?

I had to directly tell this mess of variously sized interdimensionals to get off me, so I could get to sleep properly...

That sort of thing, tied to the radiation from craft, which is a well known phenomena, which is tied to anti-gravity and associated dimensional effects of said craft propulsion and re-location type technology. I mention this due to the bits about people dying from cancers (interview in the film) when exposed to high powered 'lights'.

We are looking at a complex mess of varied phenomena. There appears to be a concentration in the ranch area but it does seem to be to the 'right', overall (on the globe) of the UVG ley line grid point that occurs in the middle of great salt lake. Apparently it's 'reptilian central' at that particular potent UVG grid point.

It's probably an excitation o the grid or ley line due to planetary and solar system geometric resonances and a predilection for being like a resonant easily fired up drum due to local soil conditions. (Soil type, constitution, electrical charge, etc)

Why do you think that Elon Musk is trying to say it's all very likely to be a large simulation? (the very properly calculated odds of his conclusion [based on tons of data] that this is not a base reality- to be wrong... are 1 in 3 billion) Well, from the point of view of a '3d linear time-meat based human' existence, the whole thing heads off into areas like this. Basically into fluffy indistinct darkened areas where no resolution is possible. Which leaves the interpretation to be very difficult and subject to the biases of the individual.

https://i.4pcdn.org/x/1441699277214.png

Long story, but the salt at the lake is also a carrier of the resonances, a pre-extant excitable tuned cavity. This is why the area is so intense. It's a perfected tuned bell.

[Carmody]

I watched the hunt for film or documentary. I never really knew what people saw, as my viewing of it never made it that far. I had shut the film off and went to bed.

I'm just watching the George Knapp presentation. I'm 21.57 into the presentation.

I'm stopping ...as I said 'intelligent chupacabra', as sometimes we get overlays. What was walking on my bed, was, to me, like my old wolf dog. I said the other thing ....as I thought it might be a false overlay of my memory and object identification patterns overlaying my deceased dog on it.... But no, it wasn't. It was a wolf like presence. Like the first encounter of the family. As George Knapp is telling me now in the presentation.

Walking across my bed, walking all over it. I had to ask it to leave. So there you go. No biggie, a day in the life.....(what exactly all this means is debatable, of course. No conclusions, just apocryphal data)

Edit: it made me think of this..... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jTg-q6Drt0http://)

[ichingcarpenter]

SKINWALKER RANCH : presentation by George Knapp with Q&A

new


sg8iK2OGVLE

With film and photos from the ranch

[Bill Ryan]

Two recent interviews with Jeremy Corbell, following the release of his documentary Hunt for the Skinwalker.

With Richard Dolan, 24 Sept 2018:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB_Sj-zgJXw
With Linda Howe and John Burroughs, 27 Dec 2018:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t1ITPrNwWs
There are three significant takeaways from this.



The DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) is very very very interested in the phenomena at the ranch, and is currently researching it. GO FIGURE.



The $22 million reportedly allocated to AATIP really went to the Skinwalker research. AATIP was just a side project.



Factions with the DIA tried to block further research based on the belief that the phenomena were demonic. See this thread:
(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98441-The-COLLINS-ELITE-Nick-Redfern-Ray-Boeche-and-interdimensional-demonic-aliens-that-the-deep-insiders-may-know-all-about)

The COLLINS ELITE: Nick Redfern, Ray Boeche, and interdimensional, demonic 'aliens' - that the deep insiders may know all about (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98441-The-COLLINS-ELITE-Nick-Redfern-Ray-Boeche-and-interdimensional-demonic-aliens-that-the-deep-insiders-may-know-all-about)

[Bill Ryan]

For those who know about such things, the film has been uploaded as a torrent.


https://thepiratebay3.org/index.php?q=Hunt+For+The+Skinwalker

[Hazelfern]

It's one of the best books I"ve ever read in my life, it's kind of like a capstone of knowledge, providing a plausible unifying theory for the explanation of topics such as poltergiest activity, cryptoids, orbs, ufo's and cattle mutiliations.

A myriad of theories are offered to explain the phenomenon experienced in the Uinta basin of N.E Utah.

My favorite and the one I consider most likely is that it is a portal zone. An ancient and mysterious area embued with legend and myth by the native Americans who lived in the area.

The book is a must read

I have not gone through this thread in its entirety, but the speculation that you can not speak the word without invoking its
presence is infuriating. How can we talk about IT without saying what IT is.

I will read the book at your suggestion.

[Star Tsar]

Latest from Mr Knapp on the matter...


EarthFiles

https://www.earthfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/PHENOMENON-Radio-feature-768x160.jpg

Phenomenon Radio | George Knapp

Published 13th October 2018

Linda & John host journalist & radio host George Knapp as they discuss the US Department of Defense documents he recieved during the spring of 2018 from unidentified sources.

George Breaks down the more details on the December 21st 2017 New York Times release of UFO infrared videotape from military gun cameras & The two agencies responsible for the release: AATIP & AAWSAP.
As part of AATIP & AAWSAP's investigations, George describes in detail some of the highly strange & even hostile phenomena that AATIP & contractor Mr Bigelow's BAASS tried to study @ the Skinwalker ranch in UTAH.
But the phenomena "outguessed" both scientists & military intelligence personnel anticipating & countering their research efforts - And manipulating the BAASS investigators minds...

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[Hazelfern]

Thanks, I picked that video up on your other thread drop. My question is why the native people mentioned will not even say the name? As if doing so will somehow bring it into your periphery or worse. What exactly is a skin walker.

George also mentioned that the government refused to open an official investigation because they believed it was a demonic presence.

Last word for the night, by questioning I do not allow such mentioned thing any entry into my existence or my family here on earth or any other realm of existence.

Cement shoes. Just to be certain.

[Joe from the Carolinas]

Thanks, I picked that video up on your other thread drop. My question is why the native people mentioned will not even say the name? As if doing so will somehow bring it into your periphery or worse. What exactly is a skin walker.

George also mentioned that the government refused to open an official investigation because they believed it was a demonic presence.

Last word for the night, by questioning I do not allow such mentioned thing any entry into my existence or my family here on earth or any other realm of existence.

Cement shoes. Just to be certain.

From my research of the lore, it indicates that they are black magic usin’ native shapeshifters that take the form of their victim by looking them in the eye.

I’ve got some requests into the DIA to get some details, but of course they are perpetually backlogged on FOIAs by about 1500 places in line- I do believe that is intentionally set as a standard placeholder to get around declassification schedules. Strange how slow that line moves... 2 years now, yet every new FOIA request is still #1500 - #1651 in line.

If a gov or private group had interest in the phenomenon, I suspect it would be to make it as convenient to activate and control as a click of the mouse.

[Ratszinger]

Thanks, I picked that video up on your other thread drop. My question is why the native people mentioned will not even say the name? As if doing so will somehow bring it into your periphery or worse. What exactly is a skin walker.

George also mentioned that the government refused to open an official investigation because they believed it was a demonic presence.

Last word for the night, by questioning I do not allow such mentioned thing any entry into my existence or my family here on earth or any other realm of existence.

Cement shoes. Just to be certain.

From my research of the lore, it indicates that they are black magic usin’ native shapeshifters that take the form of their victim by looking them in the eye.

I’ve got some requests into the DIA to get some details, but of course they are perpetually backlogged on FOIAs by about 1500 places in line- I do believe that is intentionally set as a standard placeholder to get around declassification schedules. Strange how slow that line moves... 2 years now, yet every new FOIA request is still #1500 - #1651 in line.

If a gov or private group had interest in the phenomenon, I suspect it would be to make it as convenient to activate and control as a click of the mouse.

I think the entire thing is a big steamy pile of do do! Bigilo probably wanted the ranch and paid for the cattle mutilations, the hauntings, the special effects and so on to make an unmotivated seller motivated. Same ole trick that got Chaldeans like Abraham kicked out of one town and province after another in biblical tales. Solicit prime land from a owner who has generational land claim and is not interested in selling, ask him again and again and then send your boys in to poison the well! Now the water is no good and we have a motivated seller and now the one wanting it can even bargain for a lower price! And of course shortly after getting it they cure the water problem because after all it was they that tainted it in the first place with old Chaldean magic! (simple chemistry)

The fact is they cheat and Bigilo is a billionaire and does in fact own it now. It is also interesting that the phenom is no longer on the ranch but now at the borders and off the property meaning to me that now that he has it he doesn't intend to scare people on the ranch now but now he needs to scare people away from it for his private whatever enterprise going on there.

This trickery is the only magic I see. Just sayin'.

[Flash]

Thanks, I picked that video up on your other thread drop. My question is why the native people mentioned will not even say the name? As if doing so will somehow bring it into your periphery or worse. What exactly is a skin walker.

George also mentioned that the government refused to open an official investigation because they believed it was a demonic presence.

Last word for the night, by questioning I do not allow such mentioned thing any entry into my existence or my family here on earth or any other realm of existence.

Cement shoes. Just to be certain.

From my research of the lore, it indicates that they are black magic usin’ native shapeshifters that take the form of their victim by looking them in the eye.

I’ve got some requests into the DIA to get some details, but of course they are perpetually backlogged on FOIAs by about 1500 places in line- I do believe that is intentionally set as a standard placeholder to get around declassification schedules. Strange how slow that line moves... 2 years now, yet every new FOIA request is still #1500 - #1651 in line.

If a gov or private group had interest in the phenomenon, I suspect it would be to make it as convenient to activate and control as a click of the mouse.

I think the entire thing is a big steamy pile of do do! Bigilo probably wanted the ranch and paid for the cattle mutilations, the hauntings, the special effects and so on to make an unmotivated seller motivated. Same ole trick that got Chaldeans like Abraham kicked out of one town and province after another in biblical tales. Solicit prime land from a owner who has generational land claim and is not interested in selling, ask him again and again and then send your boys in to poison the well! Now the water is no good and we have a motivated seller and now the one wanting it can even bargain for a lower price! And of course shortly after getting it they cure the water problem because after all it was they that tainted it in the first place with old Chaldean magic! (simple chemistry)

The fact is they cheat and Bigilo is a billionaire and does in fact own it now. It is also interesting that the phenom is no longer on the ranch but now at the borders and off the property meaning to me that now that he has it he doesn't intend to scare people on the ranch now but now he needs to scare people away from it for his private whatever enterprise going on there.

This trickery is the only magic I see. Just sayin'.

Interesting take Ratszinger. I had never seen it that way. But if any government agencie wanted to act freely around that area, your take makes sense - get in cohout with private owners and do your things.

it does not explain, however, all the mutilated cows that Linda Moulton Howe talk about for decades, and who were not on the Skinwalker Ranch.

[validatedmystery]

I have not read all the posts in this thread, so I apologize if I repeat what someone already has pointed out or mentioned. Firstly, I think "The Phenomena" (an umbrella term for UFOs, poltergeist, paranormal/psychological phenomena, etc.), at Skinwalker Ranch is crucial in further our understanding of the universe, consciousness and our place in "the big picture." Of course, that is why the Defense Intelligence Agency, other intelligence agencies and private players, have such a keen interest in places as Skinwalker Ranch. Unfortunately, some of the players in the government and in the private sector, also wants to weaponize the knowledge and understanding from studying "The Phenomena."

In my mind, herein lies a complex and ethical question; should the general public be made aware of what is, or has been, going on at Skinwalker Ranch? How would the general public react to and handle information about the Skinwalker Ranch (and places in- and outside the U.S. with similar activity)? On the other hand, what are the implications of not letting the general public become aware of the phenomena at Skinwalker, and in what ways the knowlegde and understanding can be used in, for exemaple, military applications?

[validatedmystery]

Secondly, according to - among others - Luis Elizondo, the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP) were launched after a member of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) made a visit and had a first hand experience of the phenomena at Skinwalker Ranch. If true, does it mean that the phenomena wanted the DIA to study it? Why? Perhaps to teach "war mongering" people a lesson?

In one of his articles at Medium.com, Elizondo writes about a faction in the highest echelon of the Pentagon, that believes that the phenomena at the Skinwalker Ranch represents something demonic and that the best strategy is to leave it alone, ignore it. Perhaps they are right - not necessarily in the demonic part - in leaving the phenomena alone? I do not know. Are these christian generals in the Pentagon representative of how most christian people would react to the phenomena?

If yes, what are the implications of making the information about Skinwalker Ranch open and public? I am talking about an official and a formal announcement from somekind of authority. In a way, with books and documentaries about the Skinwalker Ranch, the information is already open and public, but the majority of the general public do not have an interest in or seek out this kind of information.

[validatedmystery]

Thirdly, perhaps it can be worth to point out the probable connection between the studies at the Skinwalker Ranch and the Defense Intelligence Reference Documents (DIRDs) that recently was made public. One of the authors in the list of DIRDs is Eric Davids. Mr. Davids is one of the scientist in Bigelow´s NIDS, and if I remember correctly, Mr. Davids was one of the scientists who experienced and saw one of the "windows/portals" appearing at Skinwalker Ranch. One of Eric David´s DIRDs is about "transversable wormholes" and "negative antimatter."

Also, and recently, George Knapp revealed that he had brought "something" home from the Skinwalker Ranch, a "hitch-hiker", and that his wife was the one who got to experience the effects of this hitch-hiker. Knapp has said that this seems to be a pattern; many of the scientists and security people invovled at with the Skinwalker Ranch brought home "someone" or "something" from the ranch, but it was the family members whom experienced strange and scary phenomena in their homes, not the scientists or security people themselves.

Perhaps this is one of the reasons that George Knapp has been very adament with warning people from visiting and studying the Skinwalker Ranch?

Again, should the general public be made aware of what is going on at the Skinwalker Ranch? If yes, what could be the implications? Emotional trauma? If no, what could be the implications? Weaponization, more control and power for a few?

Either way, let us not forget that we - "we" as in human beings - are not in charge of the situation. No group of human beings is in control of "The Phenomena." Those who think they are in control are fooling themself, and are sooner or later going to pay high price for that illusion.

[Joe from the Carolinas]

The Defense Intelligence Agency finally responded to my FOIA request for documents pertaining to their involvement with the Skinwalker Ranch. They returned with having no responsive documents.

That being said, the FOIA system is imperfect. It is highly likely that if the DIA has had any involvement with skinwalker, they aren’t using the keyword phrase “skinwalker ranch”.

Does anyone know if there are specific DIA project names used for their involvement? I’ve already seen the AATIP reference list and have been working on it 👍

[Bill Ryan]

The Defense Intelligence Agency finally responded to my FOIA request for documents pertaining to their involvement with the Skinwalker Ranch. They returned with having no responsive documents.

That being said, the FOIA system is imperfect. It is highly likely that if the DIA has had any involvement with skinwalker, they aren’t using the keyword phrase “skinwalker ranch”.

Does anyone know if there are specific DIA project names used for their involvement? I’ve already seen the AATIP reference list and have been working on it 👍

I've never heard of any project name. Before it was sold to Bob Bigelow, it was often called the 'Sherman Ranch'. (The former owners were Terry and Gwen Sherman.)

Jeremy Corbell might know, of course, but asking him might be the same as asking George Knapp. :)

[validatedmystery]

The Defense Intelligence Agency finally responded to my FOIA request for documents pertaining to their involvement with the Skinwalker Ranch. They returned with having no responsive documents.

That being said, the FOIA system is imperfect. It is highly likely that if the DIA has had any involvement with skinwalker, they aren’t using the keyword phrase “skinwalker ranch”.

Does anyone know if there are specific DIA project names used for their involvement? I’ve already seen the AATIP reference list and have been working on it 👍


I think that the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP) is more likely than AATIP to be the DIA program invovled in Skinwalker Ranch. Maybe Keith Basterfield or Paul Dean can be of any help? Or Roger Glass? I hope you will have a hit in the FOIA system, keep trying! :)

[Patient]

One of the authors in the list of DIRDs is Eric Davids. Mr. Davids is one of the scientist in Bigelow´s NIDS, and if I remember correctly, Mr. Davids was one of the scientists who experienced and saw one of the "windows/portals" appearing at Skinwalker Ranch. One of Eric David´s DIRDs is about "transversable wormholes" and "negative .

Do you know how he described the appearance of the portal or can you provide a link to the doc where he wrote about it?

I am very interested to hear anyone's description of such an event. Thanks!

[Ratszinger]

There was a video on youtube that was perhaps one of the best I've ever watched and I feel so fortunate to have been able to catch it before it was taken down.
These sites like the Richat Structure in Mauritania for example as well as others emit a sound, an energy and the ancient people knew about these. These sites like that one in Mauritania are said to often occur in threes also and this video was so good I wish it was still there. Here is a link to the subject on the exact same topic, the people of "Araata" and they mapped out these portals often leaving tells still there all over the world. Shaman still use some of them in Russia, Turkey, Ukraine and more including those in Peru and Sedona, AZ in the USA. On most of these sites like the Richat structure there is a torroidal energy emanating from them outward and apparently some structures were situated at or near these in ancient times. Here is the only video I could find on it. There may be reference to the video removed in this one but I'm not sure why it was pulled. Apparently the person putting it up decided to pull it shortly after. It was spellbinding new info. Such a shame! I hope to see it back up again. Two speakers a male and female both gave the talk of new digs of the oldest known civilization yet even pre-dating Gobekli Tepe according to the scholars giving that talk. It's in the Ukraine and others are in Turkey. Very old. Very very old finds.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOO6KOZKh5I

[Bill Ryan]

One of the authors in the list of DIRDs is Eric Davids. Mr. Davids is one of the scientist in Bigelow´s NIDS, and if I remember correctly, Mr. Davids was one of the scientists who experienced and saw one of the "windows/portals" appearing at Skinwalker Ranch. One of Eric David´s DIRDs is about "transversable wormholes" and "negative .

Do you know how he described the appearance of the portal or can you provide a link to the doc where he wrote about it?

I am very interested to hear anyone's description of such an event. Thanks!

It's described quite well in Jeremy Corbell's documentary, here:


http://avalonlibrary.net/Hunt_For_The_Skinwalker_(2018).mp4

[validatedmystery]

Joe from the Carolinas; you may want to try the name "James Lacatski" in a FOIA request. He was the first manager of AAWSAP, which studied both UFOs and the paranormal. AATIP had a more specific focus on UAP.

[AutumnW]

The code name or anything associated with govt. study of Skinwalker ranch probably isn't declassified, at this point. It may be classified above top secret, which will make it's disclosure even more unlikely.

I have a feeling that the Skinwalker forms symbioses with the human mind and imagination. The native people of that region are unwilling to talk much about it, perhaps for that reason.

The reason we aren't completely beset by intelligences like this 24/7 is because we collectively aren't preoccupied with them enough.

Imagine if, as a society, we were thinking about this stuff all of the time...everybody. Imagine the magnetic (for lack of better terms) pull this would create. Then we'd have to somehow 'unthink' it to banish it. Talk about the weird mental jujitsu that would require.

As well as a magnetic pull, our thoughts may invigorate it, make it much more powerful, more 'real' as well.

Whatever skinwalkers are, they seem to exist in an inbetween state, with no fixed mental address. We may create a home for them within our own minds. Perhaps after they establish a mental 'home base,' they can externalize as material beings, or as something resembling material beings.

To give the government credit, they may have some solid reasons for keeping a lid on this. :silent:

And if this makes no sense now. Think about this concept again at 3:00 AM. Now does it make sense?;)

[validatedmystery]

Do you know how he described the appearance of the portal or can you provide a link to the doc where he wrote about it?

I am very interested to hear anyone's description of such an event. Thanks!

In chapter 17 and 19 in "Hunt for the Skinwalker" by Colm A Kelleher and George Knapp, there are a couple of descriptions of these portals and events. I think the event with the investigators "Jim" and Mike" in chapter 19, possibly can be the portal event that Eric W. David witnessed at Skinwalker Ranch. If Mr. David is in fact "Jim" or "Mike." But I cannot help to think that Mr. David´s interest in "traversable wormholes" has something to do with his experience at Skinwalker Ranch, but obviously I do not know that to be a fact.

[AutumnW]

One of the individuals who saw the portal is a friend of mine. I got the play by play just after it happened. It's a long time ago now but I remember that friend, who is a very calm character was really blown back (metaphorically speaking) by the whole thing. Again...if I remember correctly, they saw a hole open or a portal in the sky, saw creatures come out of it. After that I can't recall if creatures crawled back in and the portal closed or not.

My friend is unusually brave. He worked for Bigelow studying paranormal/UFO phenomena for a few years, in the early nineties, mid nineties? He would rush to an area where there had been cattle mutilations the day before and spend the night parked in his car, as close to the spot where the mutilation took place as possible.

I appreciate this kind of bravery but I'll be darned if I can relate to it in any way.

[Mike]

One of the individuals who saw the portal is a friend of mine. I got the play by play just after it happened. It's a long time ago now but I remember that friend, who is a very calm character was really blown back (metaphorically speaking) by the whole thing. Again...if I remember correctly, they saw a hole open or a portal in the sky, saw creatures come out of it. After that I can't recall if creatures crawled back in and the portal closed or not.

My friend is unusually brave. He worked for Bigelow studying paranormal/UFO phenomena for a few years, in the early nineties, mid nineties? He would rush to an area where there had been cattle mutilations the day before and spend the night parked in his car, as close to the spot where the mutilation took place as possible.

I appreciate this kind of bravery but I'll be darned if I can relate to it in any way.



Autumn that is fascinating! Do you know if your friend brought home any unwanted "hitchhikers"? (did any malevolent energy follow him home and harass he or his family?)

[AutumnW]

I don't think so, Mike. He and his wife lead a pretty charmed life and he seems really content. He may have been born with imaginable realm protections, barriers. I'll ask him when I see him again.

[Star Tsar]

Mrs/Ms Lukes introduces a whistleblower...


UFO Classified

Skinwalker Ranch Whistleblower | Chris

Published 6th July 2019

Erica Lukes invites a young man named Chris, who is a whistleblower on the Skinwalker Ranch & He is here to dispel the many myths on the enigmatic place.

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[Olaf]

UFO Classified

Skinwalker Ranch Whistleblower | Chris
Published 6th July 2019

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh_vKEd99r4

The real reprot starts at 1:05 and he is getting only to the begin of his first visit at skinwalker ranch.
Wait for part 2 of that report.

[Star Tsar]

More from Erica & Chris



UFO Classified

Skinwalker Ranch Whistleblower | Chris Marx

Published 6th July 2019

Erica Lukes invites a young man named Chris, who is a whistleblower on the Skinwalker Ranch & He is here to dispel the many myths on the enigmatic place.

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Skinwalker Ranch Whistleblower | Chris Marx | Part two

Published 13th July 2019

Erica Lukes & Whistle Blower Chris in conclusion...

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[Bill Ryan]

More from Erica & Chris



UFO Classified

Skinwalker Ranch Whistleblower | Chris Marx

Published 6th July 2019

Erica Lukes invites a young man named Chris, who is a whistleblower on the Skinwalker Ranch & He is here to dispel the many myths on the enigmatic place.

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Skinwalker Ranch Whistleblower | Chris Marx | Part two

Published 13th July 2019

Erica Lukes & Whistle Blower Chris in conclusion...

T67xRsyTeckAnd more again, Chris Marx (the same guy) now talking to John Greenewald from The Black Vault, published yesterday.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV-0e1_NlT0

[AutumnW]

Story about portal involving my friend:

It began as a dull white light, appearing out of nowhere in the darkness of the middle homestead of the Gorman ranch. Tom Gorman saw it. So did a researcher named Chad Deetken. It was nearly 2 a.m. on Aug. 28, 1997. Gorman and Deetken were out in the pasture as part of an ongoing effort to document unusual activity on the property.

Both men watched intently as the light grew brighter. It was as if someone had opened a window or doorway. Gorman grabbed his night vision binoculars to get a better look but could hardly believe what he was seeing. The dull light began to resemble a bright portal, and at one end of the portal, a large, black humanoid figure seemed to be struggling to crawl through the tunnel of light.

After a few minutes, the humanoid figure wriggled out of the light and took off into the darkness. As it did, the window of light snapped shut, as if someone had flicked the "off" switch. Deetken had the presence of mind to snap a few photos of the event, but would later learn that his film had recorded little of what the two men had witnessed.

It began as a dull white light, appearing out of nowhere in the darkness of the middle homestead of the Gorman ranch. Tom Gorman saw it. So did a researcher named Chad Deetken. It was nearly 2 a.m. on Aug. 28, 1997. Gorman and Deetken were out in the pasture as part of an ongoing effort to document unusual activity on the property.

Both men watched intently as the light grew brighter. It was as if someone had opened a window or doorway. Gorman grabbed his night vision binoculars to get a better look but could hardly believe what he was seeing. The dull light began to resemble a bright portal, and at one end of the portal, a large, black humanoid figure seemed to be struggling to crawl through the tunnel of light.

After a few minutes, the humanoid figure wriggled out of the light and took off into the darkness. As it did, the window of light snapped shut, as if someone had flicked the "off" switch. Deetken had the presence of mind to snap a few photos of the event, but would later learn that his film had recorded little of what the two men had witnessed.

[AutumnW]

Excerpt above from article by George Knapp. It is probably already provided as a link here, but if not...

https://www.hunttheskinwalker.com/all-news/2017/5/8/the-path-of-the-skinwalker-part-ii

[boja]

Here's CHRIS MARX on screen during his recent interview with JOHN GREENEWALD.

( May be of added interest for those body language "experts").


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-5TbflvGd4&fbclid=IwAR0JZ86LG9lWQdtYYYaXLWPxOvo2gdcNoQblHt0sq bwJQ8Sv4LH5fr00-n0

[boja]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8OXOycxAAA&feature=emb_logo

HISTORY is live streaming 12 hours of surveillance footage from Skinwalker Ranch in Utah, one of the most infamous and secretive hotspots of paranormal and UFO-related activities on earth. User SRW_Live will be on hand with real-time comments and bonus info on what’s going on at the ranch.

Tune in to The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch, Tuesday, March 31st at 10/9c on History.

About The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch:
For the first time ever, HISTORY is gaining full access to one of the most infamous and secretive hotspots of paranormal and UFO-related activities on earth in its new one-hour nonfiction series, “The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch.” Few have ever gained official access to Skinwalker Ranch, and none have ever been able to bring cameras onto the property for a television series, until now. Anchored by never-before-seen footage of the ranch and what it contains, the series will feature the new ranch owner, Brandon Fugal, and a team of well-respected scientists and experts who will conduct a daring and thorough search of this infamous 512-acre property located in Utah’s Uinta Basin in an attempt to find out the ‘who?’ ‘what?’ and ‘why?’ behind more than 200 years of UFO and paranormal related mysteries.

[Sunny-side-up]

That's a whole lot of black sky line hehe.

If someone has the ability, maybe up the brightness/contrast, add in-lightening filters, might catch some thing creeping past in the shadows ;)

The main message we get from that place is:
Yes stuff goes on there, yes it's very, very interesting BUT KEEP OUT lol

[Star Tsar]

Here is a recent interview with the scientist who is in charge of investigations @ SWR

The Richard Dolan Show

Travis Taylor | Skinwalker Ranch Secrets

Streamed & Published 31st March 2020

Considered by many to be the weirdest place on Earth, the Skinwalker Ranch in Utah has a long history of bizarre events. Anything from UFOs, to cattle mutilations, to strange creature sightings, to poltergeists and more. The ranch was studied in detail during the 1990s and early 2000s by Robert Bigelow's National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS). Since 2016, the ranch has been owned by real estate developer Brandon Fugal, who has supported ongoing scientific research at the property. Currently, the History Channel has a new show on all this, "The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch," which features Travis Taylor, Ph.D. Richard interviews Travis to find out what the new scientific investigation has uncovered.

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[boja]

Is there anyone out there who is able to DOWNLOAD and then POST the current new series

"The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch" being shown on History Channel,

for us less fortunate folks in UK where it's not being screened yet ?

[Deneon]

The episode is available for download here: https://we.tl/t-tokII0Cwpl

I think it will be there for about a week.

[Matthew]

I found a David Paulidies series on this

Part 1
Skinwalker Ranch Video #1 & A Missing Hunter
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Part 2
Missing 411-Skinwalker Ranch #2. Mail Bag & Properties of Water
https://youtu.be/doRZwZ8iHXM


Part 3
Missing 411- Skinwalker Ranch #3- The Mailbag
https://youtu.be/RbmJvnk6PcI

[Matthew]

Missing 411- Skinwalker Ranch Video #4

Part 4
Theory about the land and a Shaman
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[boja]

Can anybody PLEASE supply a link to Episode 2 for us in UK & elsewhere where it isn't available ?

[Bill Ryan]

Can anybody PLEASE supply a link to Episode 2 for us in UK & elsewhere where it isn't available ?


http://avalonlibrary.net/The_Secret_of_Skinwalker_Ranch/S01E01.mp4
http://avalonlibrary.net/The_Secret_of_Skinwalker_Ranch/S01E02.mp4

[boja]

S1, EPISODE 3 Link here :-

Perhaps someone could copy it into the Avalon Library ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg-Sgz2BNMw





From Bill: copied to the Library. :thumbsup:

[boja]

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7u189f

Gets especially interesting towards the end

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7u189f

[Bill Ryan]

An update: here's what's in the Avalon Library now.
(Some of the earlier uploads were incomplete)


http://avalonlibrary.net/The_Secret_of_Skinwalker_Ranch/S01E01.mp4
http://avalonlibrary.net/The_Secret_of_Skinwalker_Ranch/S01E02.mp4
http://avalonlibrary.net/The_Secret_of_Skinwalker_Ranch/S01E03.mp4
http://avalonlibrary.net/The_Secret_of_Skinwalker_Ranch/S01E04.mp4
http://avalonlibrary.net/The_Secret_of_Skinwalker_Ranch/S01E05.mp4
http://avalonlibrary.net/The_Secret_of_Skinwalker_Ranch/S01E06.mp4
http://avalonlibrary.net/The_Secret_of_Skinwalker_Ranch/S01E07.mp4
http://avalonlibrary.net/The_Secret_of_Skinwalker_Ranch/S01E08.mp4

[Richter]

I must say it was a rather disappointing first season of this tv show

[chriswallace]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV-0e1_NlT0

[Perdido]

Found this recent update about the new owner of the Skinwalker Ranch.. and his technology updates.

This Is the Real Estate Magnate Who Bought Skinwalker Ranch, a UFO Hotspot
Brandon Fugal bought the infamous Utah ranch from aerospace billionaire Robert Bigelow in 2016.


https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/m7qxyx/brandon-fugal-owner-of-skinwalker-ranch

[skogvokter]

..
George Knapp & Jeremy Corbell on Joe Rogan Experience.
The Mystery of Skinwalker Ranch
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,,
The whole interview
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..

[Bill Ryan]

Dave Paulides (see this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88574-David-Paulides-research-over-1600-inexplicable-abductions-in-National-Parks-wilderness-and-urban-areas&p=1371166#post1371166) about his investigations of thousands of cases of inexplicably missing people) made four videos about the Skinwalker Ranch, between 2-9 April 2020:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9zqOKi4jfg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doRZwZ8iHXM[/url]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbmJvnk6PcI[/url]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-SneCt0xPc

[scotslad]

It appears to have attracted quite an extraordinary if not legendary reputation for the paranormal activity apparently on its many eerie acres of land (and sky above)

Anyone got any insights, opinions, comments of experiences?

Cheers.

[Ewan]

Maybe try the search function?

Skinwalker (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32625-The-Skinwalker-Ranch&highlight=skinwalker)

Replies: 156
Views: 61,823

Edit: Sorry, that was unnecessarilly abrupt.

[Bill Ryan]

Maybe try the search function?

Skinwalker (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32625-The-Skinwalker-Ranch&highlight=skinwalker)

Replies: 156
Views: 61,823Thx, yes, and threads merged. :thumbsup:

[Patient]

It is an unsettling subject at times - depending upon your experiences of course.

It would be interesting to hear news about the ranch itself, but I have not heard anything new.

And nothing wrong with that. :)

[Mike]

Whatever is going on at the ranch, it has nothing to do with spacefaring astronauts from another planet. What alien civilization would arrive at a ranch in the middle of nowhere to harass people who live there with disembodied voices speaking strange languages, or to remove all their groceries from the cupboards when they weren't looking?

It's clearly a mischievous paranormal force of some sort, even deadly at times. Nothing it has done so far suggests any deep purpose whatsoever aside from frightening people senseless.

It appears interested in our livestock, but that may also be some kind of misdirection, or deliberate myth making. The entity or entities that occupy that space behave much more like what John Keel called "ultraterrestrials" than they do extraterrestrials. It appears that the phenomena is a natural condition of the planet and has been around earth far longer than us. Perhaps we are haunting it's space, and not vice versa

[Patient]

Whatever is going on at the ranch, it has nothing to do with spacefaring astronauts from another planet. What alien civilization would arrive at a ranch in the middle of nowhere to harass people who live there with disembodied voices speaking strange languages, or to remove all their groceries from the cupboards when they weren't looking?

It's clearly a mischievous paranormal force of some sort, even deadly at times. Nothing it has done so far suggests any deep purpose whatsoever aside from frightening people senseless.

It appears interested in our livestock, but that may also be some kind of misdirection, or deliberate myth making. The entity or entities that occupy that space behave much more like what John Keel called "ultraterrestrials" than they do extraterrestrials. It appears that the phenomena is a natural condition of the planet and has been around earth far longer than us. Perhaps we are haunting it's space, and not vice versa

Ok, so here's the thing. (there's always a thing)

When we lived in B.C. Canada, we had a small chunk of land about 45 minutes east from Vancouver. It was like an alcove type area near the mountains. There was many things that occurred there just like what is said to have occurred at The Skinwalker Ranch. We had a lot of paranormal stuff, weird stuff, and things that just didn't fit or make sense. We did not see any weird animal type creatures though.

My main point is that there was also UFO activity there. So I believe that there is a connection somehow - maybe it is a portal/travel point. Maybe ETs made it a destination point and in doing so have somehow created a weird portal effect where inter-dimensional things can come and go.

So I believe that the ETs use this point because it exists, or it exists because they used the area to travel so much that it has caused a break down between the dimensions or something.

[Bluegreen]

According to this interview, media coverage is forthcoming.


http://thumborcdn.acast.com/8TOdAki88ZRbrVdLbhHGmyPNvyY=/500x500/https%3A%2F%2Facast-media.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com%2Fassets%2Fe9da3d2c-d264-5c31-83b5-259aad10fee5%2Fc7d53d22-b3a3-494a-bc94-6b78153b444b%2Flogo.jpg

Brandon Fugal: The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch

On episode 209 of SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES, we are joined by Skinwalker Ranch owner Brandon Fugal.

Published 18th April 2021 (59:25)

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[Mike]

Whatever is going on at the ranch, it has nothing to do with spacefaring astronauts from another planet. What alien civilization would arrive at a ranch in the middle of nowhere to harass people who live there with disembodied voices speaking strange languages, or to remove all their groceries from the cupboards when they weren't looking?

It's clearly a mischievous paranormal force of some sort, even deadly at times. Nothing it has done so far suggests any deep purpose whatsoever aside from frightening people senseless.

It appears interested in our livestock, but that may also be some kind of misdirection, or deliberate myth making. The entity or entities that occupy that space behave much more like what John Keel called "ultraterrestrials" than they do extraterrestrials. It appears that the phenomena is a natural condition of the planet and has been around earth far longer than us. Perhaps we are haunting it's space, and not vice versa

Ok, so here's the thing. (there's always a thing)

When we lived in B.C. Canada, we had a small chunk of land about 45 minutes east from Vancouver. It was like an alcove type area near the mountains. There was many things that occurred there just like what is said to have occurred at The Skinwalker Ranch. We had a lot of paranormal stuff, weird stuff, and things that just didn't fit or make sense. We did not see any weird animal type creatures though.

My main point is that there was also UFO activity there. So I believe that there is a connection somehow - maybe it is a portal/travel point. Maybe ETs made it a destination point and in doing so have somehow created a weird portal effect where inter-dimensional things can come and go.

So I believe that the ETs use this point because it exists, or it exists because they used the area to travel so much that it has caused a break down between the dimensions or something.



Oh there's UFO activity there, for sure!:)

But my personal opinion is that these unidentified flying objects at the ranch are not alien beings from other star systems. Their behavior is way too bizarre

I tend to agree with John Keel, who suggests these types of entities are native to this planet, or at the very least have been visiting and living here for some time, but are also able to move thru dimensions and so forth.

He even goes so far to say that the manifestations are merely expressions of a much larger force. What are the chances of having a Mothman, men in black, ufo's, contactees, abductions, and poltergeists all in the same place and at the same time? Much more likely, imo, that they are all one and the same thing, expressing itself in individual units or individual phenomena..like shape-shifting blobs of light in the sky, for example (note: his experiences in Point Pleasant, West Virginia were very similar to the events at Skinwalker Ranch)

At Skinwalker Ranch, for example, bizarre looking dogs were seen smoking cigarettes on the side of the road. Truly! And there were wolves that were impervious to shotgun blasts...wolves that apparently disappeared into thin air! (the Gorman's followed one wolf's tracks into a wide open muddy area, and they just stopped!) So the events there go way beyond your standard UFO sightings. I think it's something else entirely

[Spellbound]

According to this interview, media coverage is forthcoming.


http://thumborcdn.acast.com/8TOdAki88ZRbrVdLbhHGmyPNvyY=/500x500/https%3A%2F%2Facast-media.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com%2Fassets%2Fe9da3d2c-d264-5c31-83b5-259aad10fee5%2Fc7d53d22-b3a3-494a-bc94-6b78153b444b%2Flogo.jpg

Brandon Fugal: The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch

On episode 209 of SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES, we are joined by Skinwalker Ranch owner Brandon Fugal.

Published 18th April 2021 (59:25)

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Interesting when he says, in his opinion, they are dealing with a diversity of origins and agendas. He gets asked all the time, is it aliens, is it interdimensional, or is it spiritual as in angels and demons....to which he says all of the above.

I watched the Joe Rogan interview last Spring with Jeremy Korbell and George Knapp about Skinwalker and was quite impressed. While I don't focus on Skinwalker as much as I do on other phenomena...I do honestly believe there is something going on and it is the most paranormal spot on this planet.

Oh, and Mike (so happy you are still here at Avalon, btw, I've missed your sense of analysis and humor), don't forget Squatch. There have been Bigfoot sightings at Skinwalker, which, imo, only stands reason such that native amercians (Indians) are synonymous with Squatch.

Dave - Toronto

[scotslad]

soz, Point taken. :) Was 5' 8" now feeling 2" tall.

[Ewan]

soz, Point taken. :) Was 5' 8" now feeling 2" tall.

:ROFL: I know that feeling.

Again I apologise for my abrupt response to your initial post, it truly was unnecessary.

It is a fascinating subject, just don't get lost in it. :)

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UFO/UAP LIVESTREAM Skinwalker Ranch Ep. 4 Review:

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[Richter]

I just finished part 4 and imo it's better than the first season.

But than again...

In this part for instance they do an experiment with a scanner and find out that the data of one area of the inside of a building they scanned is missing. This never happened before says the guy who owns the scanner equipment, so you would expect them to go back and scan that area again, to see if they can get that data this time. but apparently they just leave it as it is.

[mojo]

so you would expect them to go back and scan that area again

Right on.... I bet a lot of people thought the same thing. Did you catch the end of episode 4? There was an extremely fast hot anomaly that shows up on the FLIR image. Also the Rabi seemed to get the intelligence behind whats happening there if we assume its more than a wormhole. What about the testimony of Travis seeing a Predator (hollywood version) and disappearing instantly and the visit/call from Mr Alexander that worked for Bigelow saying a large Raptor was seen in the tree it got shot and disappeared... a crazy start to season 2. Check out the ending though what was that fast moving object?

[Richter]

Check out the ending though what was that fast moving object?

I have no idea, your guess is as good as mine.

What I’m a bit afraid of is that ‘The Secret of the Skin Walker Ranch’ is gonna end up like ‘The Curse of Oak Island’, where a bunch of guys are searching for a treasure. Eight seasons have past now and all they’ve found is a lot of wood and an iron cross. It just drags on and on.

The Rabi described it best saying the anomalies are caused by entities who consider the ranch as their property.

Imo those entities have absolutely no intention to communicate peacefully – if at all – with the Skin Walker Ranch investigators and the television crew. They just pop up every now and than to scare the hell out of them and sort of tell them to piss off.

[Patient]

I of course had heard and read many things about the Skinwalker ranch, but never read a complete book or watched an episode before.

I am now on episode 4 from the list that Bill posted. I guess this is the first season correct?

I can tell you that this is very similar to things I went through at a place we owned in B.C. I didn't have cattle mutilations, but unexplained deaths of animals. I did not see any skinwalker types like a giant wolf. We had shadow people - even in the day sometimes. Knocks, (3 knocks at a time type of thing), big bangs, opened windows, doors, objects flying through the air. Scratches on the skin - saw some as they appeared. UFO sightings, voices, and more.

We had had enough - we could not even sell it - we bailed and took the loss. Didn't care about how it affected our credit etc. When you experience that kind of assault on your family, just living in peace is worth any amount of money.

But my point is - this type of activity is not only happening at the skinwalker ranch. It happens in other places, it is just that the ranch is a large documented location. Consider that there are other people that have had similar experiences, but are not going to talk about it. MY wife does not even want to acknowledge that we lived there and went through that most of the time. Rarely will she speak about it - and only very little.

It messes with your sense of reality. It is more confusing and mind numbing more than a scary thing.

[Patient]

I want to add...and any non-believer's, or people that say "there is no such thing as yadda yadda..."

Watching a bit of this Skinwalker Ranch has my heart rate up, my adrenaline going. If anyone thinks that in this season of The Skinwalker Ranch, they didn't see much - then you probably haven't experienced things like this yourself, and you probably shouldn't wish for it either.

I am so distracted from my work right now - my mind is still trying to make sense of everything going on in our world and our lives.

Consider this - why are we being put through this covid thing at the same time teasing us with disclosure? Is one meant to distract us form the other simultaneously?

Whoever is in charge of this big experiment of the human being is sure getting a lot a data right now.

Ignorance is bliss - no doubt about that at all.

[Patient]

Aah, so now they are theorizing that perhaps the location is a wormhole or portal site. I theorized the same thing. My thinking was that either ETs are using this location because it exists, or they are creating the portal and because the portal is there, other things are coming through as well perhaps accidentally.

[Richter]

Djiez!!! It took a whole episode (5) to decide whether to dig a hole or not.

[Ratszinger]

Aah, so now they are theorizing that perhaps the location is a wormhole or portal site. I theorized the same thing. My thinking was that either ETs are using this location because it exists, or they are creating the portal and because the portal is there, other things are coming through as well perhaps accidentally.

I believe this is the answer, a vortex as we know the earth is full of energy streams that both suck into the planet and push out. The one in question here appears to be one that allows things to come into our time/space and interfere with it. There are others and I have one in my own backyard well known in this area by natives. It sucks down in tho, so most everyone that walks out to my back area gets the sensation once getting there that they have to do a number two and rush to the rest room-this goes on for some time with newbies to the humorous laughs of those that know because once you rush to the rest room you get there only to have to deal with the false alarm once more. It is believed that the natives felt the earth much more and the energies within simply because they did not have 'blinders' on their feet to block when the sensation they were entering into a vortex would warn them.

[mojo]

Hi all,
Season 2 ended yesterday and Travis came up with an interesting hypothesis at the end. He believe the Basin that Skinwalker Ranch is located on there was a large impact a million years ago. That would explain the large dark like soil located deep underground. The craziest thing was the helicopter radar showing something just below about 50 feet on the same path and direction, but it was not visible. The number of UAPs that show up during investigations lends credence to some intelligence.

IMO Travis might get stuck in the scientific method which if there is an intelligence or wooness behind the happenings might not lead him to the whole story. Something they havent really put to the test is trying to communicate with the intelligence. The Rabi was thinking about this a few episodes ago. Travis should consider the linkage between the physical local of Skinwalker Ranch and it being enhanced, manipulated or even created by an intelligence. The strange dark material brought up by drilling deep also looks connected. More study is needed to show that the intelligence might be watching or even protecting the spot currently proving something of importance. In watching all the episodes it was strange to see the team scratch their heads about strange happenings but not follow up more but at least I think the program did more for DISCLOSURE than the silly report by the gov.

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[Inversion]

If anyone would like to listen to C2C tonight George Knapp will be talking to Brandon Fugal the owner of Skinwalker Ranch. The show starts in an hour.

C2C (https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2022-04-23-show/)

Live show: tunein.com (https://tunein.com/radio/Coast-to-Coast-AM-p35675/)


First Half: The new season of The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch begins May 3. With full, unprecedented access to one of the most secretive hotspots of paranormal and UFO phenomena-related activities on Earth, the new season follows the team of scientists, researchers, and experts as they push their experiments beyond anything that has been done on the ranch before. Owner of Skinwalker Ranch, Brandon Fugal joins George Knapp to discuss recent happenings on the property including experiments that show unusual spikes in radiation, along with UAP sightings caught on camera.

Second Half: As a toddler in 1965, Paul Fronczak was involved in a wild case of mistaken identity when he was believed to be the kidnapped infant of a Chicago couple. Now, decades later, he has made a breakthrough in the search for his true identity. In 2012, the results of a DNA test proved something Fronczak had long suspected, that the couple who raised him, Dora and Chester Fronczak, were not his biological parents. Fronczak will discuss why he believes he has finally found his biological family.