Pentagon ... the return of the Sumerian Gods ... ?

[Eric J (Viking)]

Only 3 minutes ...but ... does anyone know who the speaker is at the beginning???

The gods are returning, not invading. They have started with a trickle, with both random and carefully planned mass sightings. Soon the "event" will be upon us, and the Anunnaki will be returning en masse. We will meet our makers, we will meet our ancestors. And the world will wake from the dream of orphanage to remember our parents, our guardians. These are not invaders. They have been coming here long before we existed. And they are truly benevolent, unlike what television and movies program us to believe. And they exist. The elite humans of earth are not faking the existence of UFOs and aliens. However, their aim is to manipulate us to fear and hate the returning gods rather than embrace them for who they truly are: our saviors. For they will destroy the New World Order, as the gods oppose deception. And they will come and destroy key military bases, especially underground bases. And the elite-controlled earth governments will declare that we are being invaded, and that we are being warred upon. But the truth is that it will be the insidious international bankers who are being warred upon, and all of their puppet governments destroyed. The power elite will be completely annihilated, and the meek - people like us - will inherit the earth.


KFAtyH_k8KM

viking

[Chuck]

Only 3 minutes ...but ... does anyone know who the speaker is at the beginning???


viking

...Stan Deyo

[Aryslan]

That would be nice; I wonder what the Anunnaki who were stranded on earth will do in retaliation. I do not believe that the beings that are returning will be all benevolent. They, like the humans they created (as slaves, mind you) will have individual goals and plans. Look at them each with a keen eye, and question before you blindly accept.

[Ilie Pandia]

I doubt that there is any truth in that YouTube video, or in the video description that Viking has posted here.

And the suggestions that we "should embrace the gods as our saviors"... please! Isn't this the "Obama speech"??

If this so called saviors are really coming, it is not us the meek who will inherit the Earth, it is them who will install themselves as our gods :)

And by the way, if any alien would check out the story of Jesus, they would be very worried to call themselves "our saviors" :p

[truthseekerdan]

And by the way, if any alien would check out the story of Jesus, they would be very worried to call themselves "our saviors" :p

Perhaps Jesus was one of them...

[WhiteFeather]

Interesting concept of The Annunaki. Maybe they are quite well destroying the D.U M BS. and are intervening on Gaia for the good of humanity. Sounds like an excellent idea. Thanks for sharing Viking.

[Billy]

Lordy, Could all the Gods that want to be saviours of humanity please line up in a single file in an orderly manner please. :director:

[MargueriteBee]

LINK PLEASE! Your embed does not show up on my ipad.

[Ilie Pandia]

LINK PLEASE! Your embed does not show up on my ipad.

Dear MargueriteBee,

Here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KFAtyH_k8KM

And to empower you I'm going to tell you how to help yourself :). All you have to do is click on "Reply with Quote" under the OP and look at the message. At the end you'll find the link! This way you don't have to wait for me or someone else to do it for you ;)

[Davidallany]

the return of the Sumerian Gods.

Thank you Viking, I am honored.

[WhiteFeather]

the return of the Sumerian Gods.

Thank you Viking, I am honored.

Me Two : )

[Davidallany]

Me Two : )
Wow, WhiteFeather I didn't know you were Sumerian. On behalf of Iraq and Iraqies I welcome you, your house is my house from now on.

[Simonm]

That would be nice; I wonder what the Anunnaki who were stranded on earth will do in retaliation. I do not believe that the beings that are returning will be all benevolent. They, like the humans they created (as slaves, mind you) will have individual goals and plans. Look at them each with a keen eye, and question before you blindly accept.

They did create us from themselves as a worker breed initially. However, after the deluge they accepted how far we had come and embraced us as their "offspring." They did, however, install the ruling elite classes which prevail today. If they do return I would hazard a guess that they wouldn't be as benevolent as some might initially assume.

[ThePythonicCow]

Only 3 minutes ...but ... does anyone know who the speaker is at the beginning???

LINK PLEASE! Your embed does not show up on my ipad.

I changed the embedding of the opening Youtube video, from using the VIDEO http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/editor/video.png icon to using the Youtube http://projectavalon.net/images/youtube.gif icon.

With some changes that Ilie made a couple months ago: the Youtube icon automatically displays the Source link, below the video, and
it is also more resilient in what format of URL it takes (meaning: you can mangle or leave out parts of the URL, and there is a chance it will still work - try and see.)
I now recommend using the Youtube http://projectavalon.net/images/youtube.gif icon to embed Youtube videos.

[D-Day]

Wow, scary stuff!

Not so much the video but the reactions of some members to the information presented in it.

It amazes me that highly intelligent and spiritually-aware folks are so eager to bow down, worship, pay homage and be subservient when faced with the prospect of an incoming ET "God" race.

If an event like the one being discussed in this video ever eventuated, I would advise those of you here to approach that situation with extreme caution and a discerning eye.

We should not allow ourselves to be duped into giving away our power to other beings (again), simply because they come from the stars and claim to be our Gods.

It's time for us human beings to grow up and stop looking outside of ourselves for guidance, leadership and answers/solutions to all of our problems.

We are powerful beings in our own right and masters of our own destinies.

We must maintain our personal sovereignty at all costs, there is no need for us to externalise and relinquish our power to others!

[Ilie Pandia]

Very well said D-Day.

I don't want to sound paranoid, but this could very well be a test, to see how humans (even those that are more aware) would react to some "ET" presence that says "it's our savior".

[MargueriteBee]

Thanks Ilie, watching now.

[aranuk]

All beyond me Paul.

Stan

[YUPANQUI PUMA]

Thank you for this info!!

The only thing that I know is that we must be open to any possibility, however, only deep inside in our minds we are able to identify which possibility is the one that fit our personal way of thinking!! in my case I use a lot perception, intuition and reading!! I really believe that there are not saviors the only one who can do something about us, is ourselves, we can be helped, however, must of the job have to be done for us!!

Thanks!!

[Dawn]

There really is NO way to know if any of the many wild, horrible, and wonderful stories flying around from multiple sources have any validity. We will know when it (what ever IT is) actually happens. Meanwhile, chop wood, carry water and remain aware.

[modwiz]

Interesting video, another interesting video. Many meanings could be extracted from how the message is heard. For now, the message is another you tube video. :lazy:

Some of the responses would indicate a form of 'Stockholm Syndrome' to these ears. Maybe it is from living six months in a tent.

[conk]

I do not want a savior. I want a power strong enough to stop the controllers from playing unfairly. This will allow me to save myself without their interference.

[Maia Gabrial]

As I've said before, the advanced beings on their way here will be impressive. Just think how normal ET's will knock our socks off!!! Their abilities will be mind blowing, that's for sure. And there WILL be people who will bow down and worship them. These are the same people that don't realize who they themselves are yet.
My guess is that the advanced beings know what we are; and if they're honorable, they'll rectify this. I imagine that being hailed as gods will be like an aphrodisiac to them....Maybe it's a test for them as well....?

[Nortreb]

As I've said before, the advanced beings on their way here will be impressive. Just think how normal ET's will knock our socks off!!! Their abilities will be mind blowing, that's for sure. And there WILL be people who will bow down and worship them. These are the same people that don't realize who they themselves are yet.
My guess is that the advanced beings know what we are; and if they're honorable, they'll rectify this. I imagine that being hailed as gods will be like an aphrodisiac to them....Maybe it's a test for them as well....?
I resonate with your response, Maia.

If these ET's are so powerful that are behind all of the mess that we are in, why do they have to hide, use deception via mind control,drugs, etc and have puppets to administer their dastily deeds? We possess more power than we have been indoctrinated to believe. Perhaps there is a group on the way to rectify the issue and that is what is in the ethers at the moment and they PTW know it! It is really a time to observe and use discernment.

Peace

[the trojan]

oh no !
not again.
And they will steal all the women.....again!

[truth4me]

That would be nice; I wonder what the Anunnaki who were stranded on earth will do in retaliation. I do not believe that the beings that are returning will be all benevolent. They, like the humans they created (as slaves, mind you) will have individual goals and plans. Look at them each with a keen eye, and question before you blindly accept.

They did create us from themselves as a worker breed initially. However, after the deluge they accepted how far we had come and embraced us as their "offspring." They did, however, install the ruling elite classes which prevail today. If they do return I would hazard a guess that they wouldn't be as benevolent as some might initially assume.we have a winner here!:nod:

[music]

And by the way, if any alien would check out the story of Jesus, they would be very worried to call themselves "our saviors" :p

Thanks for my first laugh of the day!

[Fred Steeves]

Perhaps there is a group on the way to rectify the issue and that is what is in the ethers at the moment and they PTW know it! It is really a time to observe and use discernment.



There most certainly is Nortreb, actually they're already here. If you want to see one of them face to face, go look in the mirror.:wave:

Cheers,
Fred

[truthseekerdan]

oh no !
not again.
And they will steal all the women.....again!

The trojan horse will... :p

[TigaHawk]

That would be nice; I wonder what the Anunnaki who were stranded on earth will do in retaliation. I do not believe that the beings that are returning will be all benevolent. They, like the humans they created (as slaves, mind you) will have individual goals and plans. Look at them each with a keen eye, and question before you blindly accept.

They did create us from themselves as a worker breed initially. However, after the deluge they accepted how far we had come and embraced us as their "offspring." They did, however, install the ruling elite classes which prevail today. If they do return I would hazard a guess that they wouldn't be as benevolent as some might initially assume.

I've been having the same ideas. Created for a purpose. Purpose forfilled or is no longer needed, so they're left with a planet full of living beings which they created. Unwilling to slaughter us, they decided to let us try to evolve and become what we make of ourselves.

I have a feeling they should have removed a few genetic blockers and features that they origionaly needed us to have - but have prevented us from getting any further than throwing exploding stones at eachother untill we allmost dissapear completely off the face of the earth - but somehow come back, only to do the exact same thing over again.

Like having a weird obscession with electric fences. Even tho you get shocked you still have some undying need to touch it again.

[Lord Sidious]

I doubt that there is any truth in that YouTube video, or in the video description that Viking has posted here.

And the suggestions that we "should embrace the gods as our saviors"... please! Isn't this the "Obama speech"??

If this so called saviors are really coming, it is not us the meek who will inherit the Earth, it is them who will install themselves as our gods :)

And by the way, if any alien would check out the story of Jesus, they would be very worried to call themselves "our saviors" :p

Then you would be wrong Ilie, the ''sumerian gods'' are indeed coming back, although some never left.
Whether the ones coming are ''saviours'' or not is another question entirely.
That video is an excerpt from a christian radio show, hence the angle they are persuing.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGRrB693TUA

That is the whole video.

You guys might laugh at this info, I am not laughing.
The ''holy books'' of many traditions all point to this being real.
There is the high probability that there will be a hoax before it though.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi L. Sid,

While I get it that we may have had so called "sumerian gos" and that some did not leave anywhere....

How can you be so sure that "they are coming back"?

Your posts made think that you may know their itinerary and progress :biggrin:... and if so? Where are they now, how are they traveling and what is the ETA?

[Lord Sidious]

Hi L. Sid,

While I get it that we may have had so called "sumerian gos" and that some did not leave anywhere....

How can you be so sure that "they are coming back"?

Your posts made think that you may know their itinerary and progress :biggrin:... and if so? Where are they now, how are they traveling and what is the ETA?

There are a few in the local vicinity, either on Earth or close by.
There are more inbound right now and have been for quite a while.
Why they are taking so long I do not know, but this isn't ''news'' many people know.
I know a guy whom you would call a white supremacist and he discusses this in quite a few of his shows.
I heard him mention one time how ironic it would be if ''they'' were planning a fake invasion by extra terrestrials and then they discovered there was a real group on their way.
If you are interested enough Ilie, have a look around on the net, there are all different opinions on this, but a lot of people agree that this is not far off now.

[the trojan]

So in accordance with these posts and info,what are the opinions on the first 'wave' being a false wave,in order to fool the masses .
and that the second wave is the real deal?

i think thats what was inferred earlier by 'trojan horse?
although I could be wrong.

[Lord Sidious]

So in accordance with these posts and info,what are the opinions on the first 'wave' being a false wave,in order to fool the masses .
and that the second wave is the real deal?

i think thats what was inferred earlier by 'trojan horse?
although I could be wrong.

Well, a trojan horse is slightly different, but yeah, I think the first ''aliens'' won't be ''the gods'' but something else.
Holograms?
Hybrids?
Dunno, but if you want to meet jehovah and satan, then you are in luck, it isn't long now.

[Calz]

oh no !
not again.
And they will steal all the women.....again!

There it goes ... my biggest laugh of the day!!!

:rofl:

While I believe the "Sumerian gods" returneth ... I also believe they will have plenty of "company".

Posted this 3 times already ... but bears watching for those that have not seen (and are open minded to what may be upon us).

KveZBoZ5M60

[Fred Steeves]

Dunno, but if you want to meet jehovah and satan, then you are in luck, it isn't long now.

Hi Rob, good to see ya back man! I know jehova and satan, aka Enlil and Enki, get batted around a lot as major players in this game, but I'm not so sure about that... Players? Yes, but so are we...Major players? I'll defer to the 'surprise button' on that one for now.

Cheers,
Fred

[divine_moments_of_truth]

Here's the thing; was it ever necessary for such advanced beings to create a worker class for themselves? They certainly have the capacity to design mechanical workers or advanced AI to do the job, so this must have been a power trip. Maybe part of our creation was the satisfaction of creating an intelligent species from a primitive, primate one.

Then look at our situation here on Earth, we have people on many different levels of consciousness and we've developed many advanced technologies way too fast for a new society. Also the elite ruling class was allowed to operate in secret and evil ways to maintain an iron grip on this planet. Sure, they created our species but I believe they are to blame just as much as us for the problems on this planet.

Max

[Calz]

Here's the thing; was it ever necessary for such advanced beings to create a worker class for themselves? They certainly have the capacity to design mechanical workers or advanced AI to do the job, so this must have been a power trip. Maybe part of our creation was the satisfaction of creating an intelligent species from a primitive, primate one.

Then look at our situation here on Earth, we have people on many different levels of consciousness and we've developed many advanced technologies way too fast for a new society. Also the elite ruling class was allowed to operate in secret and evil ways to maintain an iron grip on this planet. Sure, they created our species but I believe they are to blame just as much as us for the problems on this planet.

Max

There could be truth there ... but also among the Enki/Enlil stories was that Enki took humanity under his wing (so to speak).

Dunno ... wasn't there (at least among the past lives I am aware of).

[Fred Steeves]

Then look at our situation here on Earth, we have people on many different levels of consciousness and we've developed many advanced technologies way too fast for a new society. Also the elite ruling class was allowed to operate in secret and evil ways to maintain an iron grip on this planet. Sure, they created our species but I believe they are to blame just as much as us for the problems on this planet.

Max

Hi Max, two questions if I may:

1) Who's to say we're a new society?

2) Why do we believe necessarily that they created us?

Cheers,
Fred

[Carmody]

This is also connected to the expression of the Mayan calendar and it's 'ages' or 'layers'. The gods being the foundational aspects of the first ages.

What that means for the ending of the cycle that the calendar is in right now, is a question.



Part of me says that we've run out of Niburu/Elinin scares for the moment..with regard to tying us up and occupying our time and lives...so.... bring in the next one.

[THIRDEYE]

i have a bit of hesitation when these so called gods return to earth...i know thier are ufod cause ive seen them in the sky....i will not praise them i will be sketical when i know there intentions...light love and abundance....thirdeye....

[Carmody]

Perhaps there is a group on the way to rectify the issue and that is what is in the ethers at the moment and they PTW know it! It is really a time to observe and use discernment.



There most certainly is Nortreb, actually they're already here. If you want to see one of them face to face, go look in the mirror.:wave:

Cheers,
Fred

Yes, IIRC that is what the calendar indicates..is that the 'quicker' layers, these last ones, current ones.. that we are connected directly to their expression. IIRC, that is.

[Calz]

From my humble understandings ... from the people I trust the very most ... no one knows exactly what will come down.

No human ... no ET ... no guides ... no angels.

We are surrounded by a massive assortment of life from who knows where (or what dimension) and they are all here to see ...

*** THE BIG SHOW ***

:pop2:

[13th Warrior]

From my humble understandings ... from the people I trust the very most ... no one knows exactly what will come down.

No human ... no ET ... no guides ... no angels.

We are surrounded by a massive assortment of life from who knows where (or what dimension) and they are all here to see ...

*** THE BIG SHOW ***

:pop2:

I think there are entities that know what may pass but, are not allowed to speak of it...

[the trojan]

yes, Sid,the trojan horse is different ,it was in reference to an earlier comment.

I have a serious couple of questions to ask you though.
Do you believe that the 'Gods'(for want of a better word) are
a. returning
b. soon,as in this year,possibly 11 11 11 or as some would think,the 28th of this month.


I dont know why but I find this odd coming from you.
I obviously have not been reading you closely enough,its just that you appeared earlier to be worrying about the israel/iran/usa movements and I took that as a more earthly worry .

Is this a feeling or can you point me/us in a direction of info that would make this clearer.

[seko]

This is why we are here in this very time and on earth, let the show begin:party:

[the trojan]

aaagh,got to go out,i think this thread will be buzzing tonight,so dont start any invasions without me!

[kreagle]

I doubt that there is any truth in that YouTube video, or in the video description that Viking has posted here.

And the suggestions that we "should embrace the gods as our saviors"... please! Isn't this the "Obama speech"??

If this so called saviors are really coming, it is not us the meek who will inherit the Earth, it is them who will install themselves as our gods :)

And by the way, if any alien would check out the story of Jesus, they would be very worried to call themselves "our saviors" :p

Amen, brother. They don't understand who they're messing with. Scriptures tell us He is a jealous God, and I believe Him.

[Calz]

I doubt that there is any truth in that YouTube video, or in the video description that Viking has posted here.

And the suggestions that we "should embrace the gods as our saviors"... please! Isn't this the "Obama speech"??

If this so called saviors are really coming, it is not us the meek who will inherit the Earth, it is them who will install themselves as our gods :)

And by the way, if any alien would check out the story of Jesus, they would be very worried to call themselves "our saviors" :p

Amen, brother. They don't understand who they're messing with. Scriptures tell us He is a jealous God, and I believe Him.

Welcome to Avalon :welcome:

[kreagle]

As the video points out, these are "fallen angels". It goes on to make reference to "....as in the days of Noah.....", which is in reference to Genesis chapter 6. To me this sums up what is really happening with the "ET" phenomenon otherwise called "aliens". These fallen angels are indeed going to reappear, one day soon, under the guise of "ET's" or Sumerian Gods, etc. Its always been in their plan to deceive mankind and to completely sever them from their True Maker aka our Lord God, Jesus Christ. BUYER BEWARE!!!

(note; Thanks for the Welcome,.....Calz_Avaretard!!)

[Lord Sidious]

yes, Sid,the trojan horse is different ,it was in reference to an earlier comment.

I have a serious couple of questions to ask you though.
Do you believe that the 'Gods'(for want of a better word) are
a. returning
b. soon,as in this year,possibly 11 11 11 or as some would think,the 28th of this month.


I dont know why but I find this odd coming from you.
I obviously have not been reading you closely enough,its just that you appeared earlier to be worrying about the israel/iran/usa movements and I took that as a more earthly worry .

Is this a feeling or can you point me/us in a direction of info that would make this clearer.

I don't think this will happen for a few years yet.
And yes, I am concerned about the whole middle east situation.
They are both linked.

[modwiz]

As the video points out, these are "fallen angels". It goes on to make reference to "....as in the days of Noah.....", which is in reference to Genesis chapter 6. To me this sums up what is really happening with the "ET" phenomenon otherwise called "aliens". These fallen angels are indeed going to reappear, one day soon, under the guise of "ET's" or Sumerian Gods, etc. Its always been in their plan to deceive mankind and to completely sever them from their True Maker aka our Lord God, Jesus Christ. BUYER BEWARE!!!

(note; Thanks for the Welcome,.....Calz_Avaretard!!)

Please, the "fallen ones" are all over the governments of the world. Washington DC and the Pentagon are stuffed with them. English, not American, meaning of 'stuffed' applies here as well. We have met the devils and they represent us in Washington DC.

Genesis? Really! Not useless information , but proceed with caution and education. Those books are more unholy than holy. The controllers always mix them together. It throws all of us off the path until we get some wisdom. "Gentle as doves, subtle (or cunning) as serpents." That is one of the good ones. :yes4:

[Calz]

Yes ... but let us let a newcomer get comfortable in their chair first.

Plenty of time to expand on beliefs.

[modwiz]

I doubt that there is any truth in that YouTube video, or in the video description that Viking has posted here.

And the suggestions that we "should embrace the gods as our saviors"... please! Isn't this the "Obama speech"??

If this so called saviors are really coming, it is not us the meek who will inherit the Earth, it is them who will install themselves as our gods :)

And by the way, if any alien would check out the story of Jesus, they would be very worried to call themselves "our saviors" :p

Amen, brother. They don't understand who they're messing with. Scriptures tell us He is a jealous God, and I believe Him.

Yahweh? Yes, he is a certified psychopath. The 'people of the book' can have him. Many of us have his number and are very done with him. All he has is threats and confused followers. Very dangerous, confused followers.

[another bob]

From my humble understandings ... from the people I trust the very most ... no one knows exactly what will come down.

No human ... no ET ... no guides ... no angels.


Greetings, Friend!

In the 1980s Dr. Kenneth Ring interviewed 16 NDErs who all told him the world was going to end in 1988.


Blessings!

[modwiz]

Yes ... but let us let a newcomer get comfortable in their chair first.

Plenty of time to expand on beliefs.

C'mon Calz. It's just a little freshman hazing. I did quote his lord and maker too.
I will take your point having read your post now. (Puts a pillow in Kreagles' chair)

[13th Warrior]

I doubt that there is any truth in that YouTube video, or in the video description that Viking has posted here.

And the suggestions that we "should embrace the gods as our saviors"... please! Isn't this the "Obama speech"??

If this so called saviors are really coming, it is not us the meek who will inherit the Earth, it is them who will install themselves as our gods :)

And by the way, if any alien would check out the story of Jesus, they would be very worried to call themselves "our saviors" :p

Amen, brother. They don't understand who they're messing with. Scriptures tell us He is a jealous God, and I believe Him.

Yahweh? Yes, he is a certified psychopath. The 'people of the book' can have him. Many of us have his number and are very done with him. All he has is threats and confused followers. Very dangerous, confused followers.

...and what of this cannibalism stuff about eating the body and drinking the blood of Christ?

[modwiz]

Amen, brother. They don't understand who they're messing with. Scriptures tell us He is a jealous God, and I believe Him.

Yahweh? Yes, he is a certified psychopath. The 'people of the book' can have him. Many of us have his number and are very done with him. All he has is threats and confused followers. Very dangerous, confused followers.

...and what of this cannibalism stuff about eating the body and drinking the blood of Christ?

Never resonated with that stuff. Liked the wine part though, (hic). I actually can make a case for it, to be kind, but I am feeling lazy now. Also, I am taking a chill pill regarding our new member. Calz, a member I respect very much, gave me good counsel.

[Calz]

C'mon Calz. It's just a little freshman hazing.

2nd great laugh of the day ... gonna be a good one :)

[Carmody]

yes, Sid,the trojan horse is different ,it was in reference to an earlier comment.

I have a serious couple of questions to ask you though.
Do you believe that the 'Gods'(for want of a better word) are
a. returning
b. soon,as in this year,possibly 11 11 11 or as some would think,the 28th of this month.


I dont know why but I find this odd coming from you.
I obviously have not been reading you closely enough,its just that you appeared earlier to be worrying about the israel/iran/usa movements and I took that as a more earthly worry .

Is this a feeling or can you point me/us in a direction of info that would make this clearer.

the gods ARE returning on that amazing date!

see here:

http://www.immortalsmovie.com/splash/

actually, the guy who directed 'the fall' did an AMAZING job. He directed this one. He spent 7 years filming 'The Fall'. It is a great little film. Top Drawer.

[kreagle]

Yes ... but let us let a newcomer get comfortable in their chair first.

Plenty of time to expand on beliefs.

thanks again, Calz, for taking up for the "newcomer" during my period of "hazing, etc." I know I'm new from a "posting standpoint" but I've already been online at Avalon long enough, (observing, reading various views, etc.), to know that many here do not share the same belief as I do in relationship to God's Word.

I will certainly endeavor to proceed and walk delicately, so as to not offend certain individuals. I'm reminded of an individual I worked with many years ago who prominently displayed a wooden sign on his desk which read,....."Don't confuse me with the Facts,...my minds already made up". He certainly went about everything in life with the constant refusal to listen to anything rational, even when the "facts" were right before his face. I'm certainly very glad to realize that I had enough courage to acknowledge how wrong I was many years ago and answered the "higher calling" that God had for me and my future.

Boy, and to think that the statement I made was, in my honest opinion, very generic and gentle, .......whew!!!. I guess I'll have to wait for quite some time before bringing out the Big Boy stuff!! (Ha! Ha!)

[Calz]

the gods ARE returning on that amazing date!

see here:

http://www.immortalsmovie.com/splash/



Is that what you truly believe ... or was that "having fun" with the movie???

¤=[Post Update]=¤




Boy, and to think that the statement I made was, in my honest opinion, very generic and gentle, .......whew!!!. I guess I'll have to wait for quite some time before bringing out the Big Boy stuff!! (Ha! Ha!)

Big Boy warning noted :peep:

[Carmody]

the gods ARE returning on that amazing date!

see here:

http://www.immortalsmovie.com/splash/



Is that what you truly believe ... or was that "having fun" with the movie???

¤=[Post Update]=¤




Boy, and to think that the statement I made was, in my honest opinion, very generic and gentle, .......whew!!!. I guess I'll have to wait for quite some time before bringing out the Big Boy stuff!! (Ha! Ha!)

Big Boy warning noted :peep:

I'll be sure to be wearing my 3d glasses on that day. :p

As for the rest, it's "words of advice for young people". ;)

[Davidallany]

Hi Rob, good to see ya back man!
the force is strong with Lord Sidious. Everybody have a drink on me! the Lord has returned.
Zn94j5F5YLc

[divine_moments_of_truth]

Then look at our situation here on Earth, we have people on many different levels of consciousness and we've developed many advanced technologies way too fast for a new society. Also the elite ruling class was allowed to operate in secret and evil ways to maintain an iron grip on this planet. Sure, they created our species but I believe they are to blame just as much as us for the problems on this planet.

Max

Hi Max, two questions if I may:

1) Who's to say we're a new society?

2) Why do we believe necessarily that they created us?

Cheers,
Fred

1. New compared to more advanced societies, and I define society as intelligent, self-aware, and able to communicate clearly.

2. By "they" I mean the other species that were responsible for Homo Erectus - Homo Sapien. There's substantial (but debatable) evidence that we jumped a few levels in physical appearance, intelligence, and technology.

Max

[thegodsmakethecircles]

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Hello. I've merged this thread with a previous thread with the same video. Please note, the guidelines say to give a brief description of a video, so that members can determine whether the video is something they are interested in. Otherwise, for the lack of the OP doing their homework prior to posting a video, many will waste their time watching a video they have no interest in.

If you continue to post videos without an explanation, eventually, the videos will be deleted. The mods simply do not have enough time to view every video posted on Avalon, and give the appropriate description.

Again, please watch the video, and be prepared to describe the contents as you post the video.

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KFAtyH_k8KM

[Eagle]

What do you mean, thay are apart of the NWO

[thegodsmakethecircles]

What do you mean, thay are apart of the NWO



no, that they are going to destroy it! The anunnaki are going to destroy the illuminati!!!

[Eagle]

why distroy what you created?

[thegodsmakethecircles]

why distroy what you created?

check your facts buddy

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KFAtyH_k8KM

[Ruby L.]

check your facts buddy



Would you care to elaborate past quoting the video you posted? There are also people who are still learning...

[thegodsmakethecircles]

just watch the video please, it speaks for itself. even if you're still a beginner you will have no problem understanding. thanks! :)

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Godmakesthecircles: It has nothing to do with being a "beginner" or one's "understanding". It has to do with courtesy to fellow members of Avalon (not to mention the guidelines you agreed to follow when you became a member of Avalon yourself).

Please note, the guidelines say to give a brief description of a video, so that members can determine whether the video is something they are interested in. Otherwise, for the lack of the OP doing their homework prior to posting a video, many will waste their time watching a video they have no interest in.

If you continue to post videos without an explanation, eventually, the videos will be deleted. The mods simply do not have enough time to view every video posted on Avalon, and give the appropriate description.

Again, please watch the video, and be prepared to describe the contents as you post the video.

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KFAtyH_k8KM

[Eagle]

cant see it, it's You Tube

[Carmody]

cant see it, it's You Tube

I guess those wooden computers in Amishland don't work all that well.. :p

[Eagle]

Ooommmmmmm!!!!!

[haibane]

yeah. Right ... Yawn.

/grabs popcorn

:popcorn:

[shadowstalker]

What do you mean, thay are apart of the NWO
Are they, or have we been fooled again, there are so many scenarios we can't even keep up to what some consider the truth in fact.
How do we know that the NWO didn't make up the so called fact that the Anunnaki is a part of them to make us more afraid.
There are two factions and possible more to the Anunnaki story and because our fear is always up about aliens and such, sometimes we literally don't want to see past the probable propaganda.
Just like everything else.

Just a thought to through out there to ponder. seeings how we have no real proof of nothing out there that was written thousands of years ago we just for the most part see things at face value according to our fears and little knowledge we do have.

Who is the interpreter and who over sees the interpretation, of these long lost languages..

[Lord Sidious]

why distroy what you created?

check your facts buddy

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KFAtyH_k8KM

Erm, maybe you should check yours.
For one thing, this is the whole video.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGRrB693TUA

Secondly, it was indeed them that have created the new world order that is extremely old.

[TWINCANS]

Feels like disinformation of the highest order, sorry. The Annunaki have never been here to 'save us'. They enslaved the human race (read Enlil for Yahweh) and believe this is their real estate to do with as they want - including planting false information ahead of their 'uncloaking'. Now that is not a sight you want to see. Love the tail on the 10-foot tall piper.

[Eagle]

One video is not proof, thousands of years is!

[Ruby L.]

just watch the video please, it speaks for itself. even if you're still a beginner you will have no problem understanding. thanks! :)

Really?? And who is the video by? What's the source?
Seriously man! A bit of elaboration past "just follow the video" would be informative. Who's to say what's in the video is even correct??

I know a bit about the Annunaki story to follow...but if you're going to start a thread where discussions will follow, a bit of an elaboration past just posting a video would be most welcome!!

What are YOUR thoughts on the subject?

[Billy]

This video already has a thread.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32747-Pentagon-...-the-return-of-the-Sumerian-Gods-...&p=334393#post334393

[jorr lundstrom]

cant see it, it's You Tube

I guess those wooden computers in Amishland don't work all that well.. :p

Carmody, youre a very naughty boy. LOL

[lightning23]

:closed::closed:

[eric charles]

cant see it, it's you tube

i guess those wooden computers in amishland don't work all that well.. :p

lololol ;)

[Russ1959]

Sounds like another false flag to me so the sleepers can look towards the skies hoping for salvation whilst mass homicide,lies,theft and deceit continue right here on mother earth under our noses.

[Arrowwind]

Sounds like another false flag to me so the sleepers can look towards the skies hoping for salvation whilst mass homicide,lies,theft and deceit continue right here on mother earth under our noses.

Yes, many are rapped up in the false salvation paradigms. If its not Christ saving one's sorry ass then its aliens... anything to avoid taking self responsibility for directing one's own creation.
When people are willing to save themselves on a mass level, with one united awareness, then we will all save ourselves against the NWO and what ever darkness may throw our way.

[jjjones]

Ilie Pandia, shouldn't be so apt to judgement without absolute proof that Jesus isn't/wasn't one of them. bring proof to the thread that He was or He wasn't one of them. Jesus did say that He is not of this world. How about the Transfiguration??? peoples beliefs are learned indoctrination as children and when an adult it is by their own free will and choice. I find it amusing, when/if some entity from another continent on earth or from another galaxy may see us as an alien since we are foreign to them, amusing, an alien is an alien! it really is immaterial due to the fact all of creation is a part of the creator. namaste, peace and love universally

[Erich]

Sounds like another false flag to me so the sleepers can look towards the skies hoping for salvation whilst mass homicide,lies,theft and deceit continue right here on mother earth under our noses.

Yes, many are rapped up in the false salvation paradigms. If its not Christ saving one's sorry ass then its aliens... anything to avoid taking self responsibility for directing one's own creation.
When people are willing to save themselves on a mass level, with one united awareness, then we will all save ourselves against the NWO and what ever darkness may throw our way.


if your house was on fire would you call the fire department or would you try to put it out with your garden hose?

[Lord Sidious]

Sounds like another false flag to me so the sleepers can look towards the skies hoping for salvation whilst mass homicide,lies,theft and deceit continue right here on mother earth under our noses.

Yes, many are rapped up in the false salvation paradigms. If its not Christ saving one's sorry ass then its aliens... anything to avoid taking self responsibility for directing one's own creation.
When people are willing to save themselves on a mass level, with one united awareness, then we will all save ourselves against the NWO and what ever darkness may throw our way.


if your house was on fire would you call the fire department or would you try to put it out with your garden hose?

Or would you try to do both at the same time?

[witchy1]

Thought I might pop in and give you this link from Wes Penre:

"Note from the Editor:

First of all; this is an authentic message!

I was contacted yesterday by Utu Shamash (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamash)), who is the son of King Nannar of Nibiru, and brother of Inanna. He has returned to Earth with a message from his King to put on what the King considers “friendly websites”.

Utu found my Papers at http://wespenre.com/ (http://wespenre.com/) and found them surprisingly accurate regarding Ša.A.Me. (Nibiru) and Ša.A.Mi. (the Nibiruan people). He emailed me and asked for a service. His King wanted me to post the following statement here on my blog.

I agreed to post the message Utu brought down to Earth, but said I want to put a note along with it to give the citizens of Earth (Ki) a heads up! He took my message to King Nannar, who agreed I could do that. So therefore I want to say the following:

The Ša.A.Mi. (better known as the Anunnaki) are returning! They say they want no harm to be done to us “lulus” (humans); they say they owe us and want our forgiveness for what happened in the past (to understand this you really need to read my Papers at wespenre.com, or Zacharia Sitchin’s books). The way to do this is to come down to Earth and fight the Anunnaki who are stationed on Earth since millennia (those who followed Marduk in his rebellion against the Ša.A.Me. Kingdom). Marduk and his cohorts have ever since been pulling the strings of most of the Global Elite, and the Ša.A.Mi. are returning to Earth to take care of business, overthrowing both the disloyal Anunnaki and the human Global Elite, by some called The Illuminati (http://illuminati-news.com).

We don’t want history to repeat itself! I do NOT want humans to take sides in this upcoming battle of the ‘gods’ and once again be used as cannon-fodder and foot soldiers in their war. They say they come as liberators, but they do not come in peace. So humans, whatever you do if you want to change history and follow a more enlightened path: stay out of this conflict! DO NOT TAKE SIDES and DO NOT FIGHT IN THEIR WAR!

This is their conflict. We can’t stop them from coming, but we can step aside and let them do their thing without interfering. We are tired of fighting wars, and don’t let corrupt government leaders manipulate you into thinking we need to go to war against this “Invader Force”. The governments (the Global Elite) are only using us because they think we’re fearful and stupid. Show that we lulus have grown up and are a species of peace. Let everybody outside this planet learn that we are a peaceful race. Let Ša.A.Mi. take care of their own and the Global Elite, and we’ll go from there.

I have had two long correspondences with Utu so far, and I know that this is the real deal. Laugh at it if you must, but take it seriously if you are smart. (my emphaisis) Personally, I am known for being in a good mood, making jokes even in the most serious situations. However, now our future depends on how you read this email, and I’m deadly serious. (my emphaisis)

However, DON’T BE AFRAID! They say they come to bring peace, and as liberators, perhaps, but their minds are still on war, and that is in conflict with my own mindset, at least.
Let our hearts work now, more so than our heads! Be ONE in spirit through these events and we will come out on the other end; hopefully as intact as possible. Let them fight THEIR wars – it’s their karma, and we are released from ours by not participating."

More here: http://battleofearth.wordpress.com/:attention:

[witchy1]

"(Here beneath is the message to all humankind, from King Nannar of Nibiru (SAM is short for Ša.A.Me. [Nibiru] and Ša.A.Mi. [the inhabitants of Nibiru]):


LET IT BE KNOWN BY ONE AND ALL

The work done by Mr. Penre is surprisingly accurate regarding SAM and its inhabitants.

SAMs are not invading the planet. SAMs are returning to what once was a planet they inhabited in greater numbers than human, until humans began to outnumber SAMs. This asymmetry continues today.

Those SAMs who returned and those who stayed behind are subject to the King, but reject royal authority and stand against the Kingdom as enemies in kind and in fact.

This will be realigned properly on return, and those who stand with them will be eliminated as pawns and as proxies which is what they are in hopes that the power and position now held will continue with the victory of their patrons.
Nothing is further from the naked truth.

Anything that is held to the contrary is contrived, dishonest, self-serving and likely the work of proxies. Believe them not, for everyone will be held contemptible by the beliefs held and by the heart that beats in their chests — this by the word of the King, my father.

SAM is near. It will shine in the southern half first and then appear to the rest of KI in a sixth of a Royal Set. The Royal Set is the number of the King.

SAM will be red in color. Much is already known and anticipated. Much more will be disclosed and known about SAM by SAMs already here. Truth will be known. Believe what you must and be responsible for what you believe, but get information from oracles, not from anyone else."

http://battleofearth.wordpress.com/

[the trojan]

those with nothing to hide will hide nothing.
no need for a warning ,no need to ask if humans will believe one word or another,
reveal all,it will still filter slowly enough to the populace...
all of this type of info does not instantly hit the front pages,its discussed and filtered nowadays through agencies and forums and clubs and fraternities and
will have no credence in these arenas until craft are in the skies and contact is made.....until then the lulu's will just be lulu's

but hey ,Im off to the links! http://battleofearth.wordpress.com/

been to the link and had to run back.....
UTU SHAMASH I cant help but read this as 'utter sham mash'
ust throwing that out there folks!
this is this months myth.

[Calz]

"(Here beneath is the message to all humankind, from King Nannar of Nibiru (SAM is short for Ša.A.Me. [Nibiru] and Ša.A.Mi. [the inhabitants of Nibiru]):

...

http://battleofearth.wordpress.com/


Interesting.

Appears to have passed Sid's initial "sniff test"???

At least not discounted outright.

[witchy1]

If you check out Wes's site (s) he has a remarkable amount of information (mostly verified). Start at the beginners level and work your way up.

[Kronuise]

Let me get this straight in my head and sum up the key points


We as a species have been artifically created by these so call Gods.
They are due to return to remove those who seek to keep the mass populas suppressed
We are being feed info that would turn us against them by those who fear there return


I don't know about you but all this is a bit much to digest, it raises so many questions in my head that I don't believe that if a such advanced race who would be capable of such feats what is the purpose of there return?

[Lord Sidious]

"(Here beneath is the message to all humankind, from King Nannar of Nibiru (SAM is short for Ša.A.Me. [Nibiru] and Ša.A.Mi. [the inhabitants of Nibiru]):

...

http://battleofearth.wordpress.com/


Interesting.

Appears to have passed Sid's initial "sniff test"???

At least not discounted outright.

It looks ok so far.

[Russ1959]

Interesting information Witchy1. Do you think the battle has already started? I am referring to Benjamin Fulfords recent claims that two American underground bases were recently destroyed causing the deaths of up to 60,000 erm... Beings?

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Let me get this straight in my head and sum up the key points


We as a species have been artifically created by these so call Gods.
They are due to return to remove those who seek to keep the mass populas suppressed
We are being feed info that would turn us against them by those who fear there return


I don't know about you but all this is a bit much to digest, it raises so many questions in my head that I don't believe that if a such advanced race who would be capable of such feats what is the purpose of there return?

This reminds me of information from years ago by Barbara Marciniak who channels the "Pleaidians". Best I remember (not a quote) the Pleaidians said the Annunaki have blocked their evolutionary path by interference with the evolution of humans. To remove their evolutionary block they must help remedy what they screwed up by their unauthorized meddling in the human experiment.

[Arrowwind]

Sounds like another false flag to me so the sleepers can look towards the skies hoping for salvation whilst mass homicide,lies,theft and deceit continue right here on mother earth under our noses.

Yes, many are rapped up in the false salvation paradigms. If its not Christ saving one's sorry ass then its aliens... anything to avoid taking self responsibility for directing one's own creation.
When people are willing to save themselves on a mass level, with one united awareness, then we will all save ourselves against the NWO and what ever darkness may throw our way.


if your house was on fire would you call the fire department or would you try to put it out with your garden hose?

The fire department is one united awareness in fighting fires... and all people support them though local ordinance, either paid by the city or volunteer... a perfect example of united awareness, my friend.

If my house were on fire and it was a small fire I would start with the garden hose and call 911 for further help. It would really be a group effort to protect and maintain the safety of the community.

[Lord Sidious]

Let me get this straight in my head and sum up the key points


We as a species have been artifically created by these so call Gods.
They are due to return to remove those who seek to keep the mass populas suppressed
We are being feed info that would turn us against them by those who fear there return


I don't know about you but all this is a bit much to digest, it raises so many questions in my head that I don't believe that if a such advanced race who would be capable of such feats what is the purpose of there return?

This reminds me of information from years ago by Barbara Marciniak who channels the "Pleaidians". Best I remember (not a quote) the Pleaidians said the Annunaki have blocked their evolutionary path by interference with the evolution of humans. To remove their evolutionary block they must help remedy what they screwed up by their unauthorized meddling in the human experiment.

Reminds me of a maxim of equity; he who brings the liability/problem must supply a remedy.
Or, as I learned in the army years ago, you f**ked it, you fix it.
Same story, different explanations.
So, your story sounds to be consistent with what I would say are natural laws.

[Calz]

Rob ... do you feel the message here is that we may not need to fight along side them ... or is that "wishful" thinking???

(in your opinion)

I know you are prepared to fight ... does this latest "translation" of "information" change that in the least?

[Lord Sidious]

Rob ... do you feel the message here is that we may not need to fight along side them ... or is that "wishful" thinking???

(in your opinion)

I know you are prepared to fight ... does this latest "translation" of "information" change that in the least?

It is hard to say, as I haven't seen that angle before.
I would prefer to not get involved in violence if I can avoid it, but if I can't, then I will do what I have to do.
We fought alongside them before, thousands of years ago and we are still stuck in this paradigm.
This will require more study, thought and contemplation.

[Calz]

Rob ... do you feel the message here is that we may not need to fight along side them ... or is that "wishful" thinking???

(in your opinion)

I know you are prepared to fight ... does this latest "translation" of "information" change that in the least?

It is hard to say, as I haven't seen that angle before.
I would prefer to not get involved in violence if I can avoid it, but if I can't, then I will do what I have to do.
We fought alongside them before, thousands of years ago and we are still stuck in this paradigm.
This will require more study, thought and contemplation.

I am not one to have any inside information (regardless of level) but perhaps in your thought and consideration remember what Gilliland has been bringing forth (for a very long time now) in that it isn't simply a matter of Enlil/Enki ... but perhaps a whole host of other folks out there as well???


*** adding ***

Let us say that score will be allowed to be settled ... perhaps it isn't the whole game?

[Lifebringer]

My thing is, if the ptw hid the info, perhaps there's a grain of truth to it. If you wanted to control the masses for 26,000 years, would you tell them a story to do so, or would you tell them the truth. They hid the truth, so it stands that all the information in the pyramids, long before they took power, would not have been hidden from us, if it were a lie.

Ergo, the reasoning for the secrecy and manipulation in the first place.

After reading the Urantia, I understood that when man/woman reached mature spiritual mind and accepted God as their creator, then the revealing would happen. As you can see, a whole lot of revealing of the long ago so called heroes have turned out to be mean spirited greedy political corporate henchmen in our government, that take freedom, money, and homes fromt he meek to furuther their coffers and intergenerational wealth continuance.

I will trust in my guide, who I think is called Charles, because that name always comes up, and I don't know any charles. I have even meant to say good morning to my hubby, and the name popped up in his place. So I will call him charles, and continue to spread positive loving thoughts that will aid others in awakening to the truth also. I guess as a political activist fromt he hood, that is my calling to spread the word and get the truth out.

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The mature mind, acceptance of GOD and lovinging your neighbor or bretheren is practice for sociability among the stars.

Can you imagine a confused and lied to tea bagger, meeting our family and lifting a gun at them instead of a handshake in friendship?

I can, so yes, I believe until they wake up, best to stay cloaked until they can keep frombewing shot in Texas or Arizona.

[Nyce555]

If they are returing, that would be great. I would just want to meet them and see what they are like and learn from them. I would never think of them as gods or bow down to them. But I would look at them more like a distant relative that I could share stories with. There may be much we can learn from each other. I hope it wouldn't come to violence, but we are humans, so you know someone will be pulling out a gun and waiving it around reckless. This is unfortunately what we do as a human race.

[the trojan]

those with nothing to hide will hide nothing.
no need for a warning ,no need to ask if humans will believe one word or another,
reveal all,it will still filter slowly enough to the populace...
all of this type of info does not instantly hit the front pages,its discussed and filtered nowadays through agencies and forums and clubs and fraternities and
will have no credence in these arenas until craft are in the skies and contact is made.....until then the lulu's will just be lulu's

but hey ,Im off to the links! http://battleofearth.wordpress.com/

been to the link and had to run back.....
UTU SHAMASH I cant help but read this as 'utter sham mash'
ust throwing that out there folks!
this is this months myth.

Ha!...Now I am commenting on my own stuff!

Anyway, what I meant to say,and I am contradicting my previous post,
Is that this is the myth,this is the one that has resonated with me since i was a small child.
I reckon that all the other stuff out there is based on this or aspects of this.
My comment on it being this months myth is just that,It is this month and next months hot potato!
and it is that ,that does not sit right with me.

hope ive explained that correctly.



Its biblical.its science fiction its comics its culture its everything that makes us what we are.....hmmmmm finding it hard to explain myself ....so i will leave it there.

[the trojan]

If they are returing, that would be great. I would just want to meet them and see what they are like and learn from them. I would never think of them as gods or bow down to them. But I would look at them more like a distant relative that I could share stories with. There may be much we can learn from each other. I hope it wouldn't come to violence, but we are humans, so you know someone will be pulling out a gun and waiving it around reckless. This is unfortunately what we do as a human race.

I too would like to meet them.
But heres a wee thing that is also in the pot this month,Mike quinsey aka Sa Lusa the channeler has hinted in his latest post that the galactic federalis may not need to come down to earth,and may just show their craft in the skies.....
I commented on this that this is in the earlier part of arthur c clarkes novel,childhoods end.
I think this is important because it suggests to me that blue beam or whatever anyone wants to call it could be a definite.
Craft in the skies,but we dont want to scare you etc.... a show of strength to end all wars ...and then one world religion,bank,government etc... and in one fell swoop the new world order is upon us......and guess what ,the masters of the planet have been meeting as our representatives and ....al the bull just continues.

I believe that humans are essentially loving trusting beings and we have been shafted many a time in our pasts and it will take a lot to prove to me that we are not about to be shafted again.

[Leon]

Was this not the real reason for the invasion of Iraq? the return...

[witchy1]

Interesting information Witchy1. Do you think the battle has already started? I am referring to Benjamin Fulfords recent claims that two American underground bases were recently destroyed causing the deaths of up to 60,000 erm... Beings?

Hi Russ1959, I openly admit to not being a BF fan. I think if that many people had been executed underground some word might have reached the surface from family or friends. It hasnt that I can see anyway. I would love to believe it - but dont. I had the unfortunate experience of listening to him on a YT report from a NZ reporter where he states that there is no leaking radiation from Fukoshima and that The Bush cartel is not in bed with the RC - he beleives thay are acting independantly both trying to start WW3.

IMHO the bush cartel are simply puppets and pawns of the RC. (Rich ones I admit) but still pathetic egocentric despots that jump to their masters orders.

I think the explosions and bizarre underground noises are simply more tunnels being built, nothing more nothing less.

The battle has not started IMHO and wont until there is a force at least equal to theirs who threaten what they are doing.
They have nothing or no-one to fight at the moment nor any reason to do so - Why change perfection in their eyes. They have it all.

There is no threat at all to them currently and no one is really questioning what they do. We are still pathetic slaves living in their illusion of perfection

For a war to start with them I believe we will need to see something come in from above. It wont start on earth by its inhabitants, no-one here has the strengh knowledge money or support to start it let alone finish it.

If our brothers and sisters do arrive to fight on our behalf, then I believe they will arrive visibly. Not with hell fire and brimstone and definately not with a catastrophic entrance. If they are here to assist they will first do no harm to us and the planet. If they arrive it will be gently but with assertion. TPTW will know who they are and act accordingly. We will need to stand back and let it unfold we should need have no fear.

If they arrive with hellfire and brimstone, hurting the planet and its inhabitants - they are not here for us.

I also believe there are many many many Gods (remember we are conscious beings having an experience, or this is a god boot-camp) They have immense power technology etc etc and we will absolutely require of them the proof of who they say they are - lifting the veil of deception stuff.

We will need to be vigilant that this proof is not simply god like majic trickery they will have up their sleeve.

I have digressed somewhat from the question - apologies Russ1959. These are my thoughts on your question. Thank you for asking.

W

[Taurean]

Was this not the real reason for the invasion of Iraq? the return...

I'm still curious about the artefacts mentioned taken from the Iraq museum and also artefacts taken from the Cairo museum during the Egyptian uprising and wonder also if there is some connection here with an artefact recovered by John Urwins unit whilst in the Middle East.

John Urwin if you remember, has wrote a rather fantastical book called " The Sixteen " which recounts his activities in the ME during the 50's, which mentioned being trained by Tall, Blue Eyed, Blond, Nordic type men.

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/interviews/john_urwin/john_urwin.html

[Lord Sidious]

Was this not the real reason for the invasion of Iraq? the return...

Dunno, but I do know that the US Army had a special forces A Team scouring the museums before the battle for Baghdad was finished.
They allegedly recovered an original 7th century Babylonian Talmud.
Now, why would the US Army want that?



Was this not the real reason for the invasion of Iraq? the return...

I'm still curious about the artefacts mentioned taken from the Iraq museum and also artefacts taken from the Cairo museum during the Egyptian uprising and wonder also if there is some connection here with an artefact recovered by John Urwins unit whilst in the Middle East.

John Urwin if you remember, has wrote a rather fantastical book called " The Sixteen " which recounts his activities in the ME during the 50's, which mentioned being trained by Tall, Blue Eyed, Blond, Nordic type men.

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/interviews/john_urwin/john_urwin.html

Sounds like the ones that James Horak is in contact with.
He calls them ''the blondes'' for obvious reasons.

[jorr lundstrom]

John Urwin for you


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwb5rzJ_DyE

[Leon]

I would also ask why would the US build a massive Air-force base right next to Ziggurat Iraq?

[Lord Sidious]

I would also ask why would the US build a massive Air-force base right next to Ziggurat Iraq?

As a cover to extract the secrets contained there?
My guess.

[Leon]

my thought exactly...

Husain was going to welcome them back, but the US had other idea's...

[jorr lundstrom]

Saddam was willing to anything to prevent a war, but as you said, USA

had other plans. And as we saw in the thread on Khadaffis death some

leaders seem to get an orgasm out of killing the heads of other countries.

And we cant deny them that pleasure, or can we? A world worse than a

horror movie. I think I know where those directors who make those movies

get their ideas from.

[RedeZra]

the return of the Sumerian gods

the Anunnaki

princely offspring or of royal blood or sons of principalities

gods of the underworld



"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." - Ephesians 6:12


the rumor of their return is not good news

but since the world does not love truth then this is what we get


will they require our blood and souls

just like in the old days


the days of Noah

[Lord Sidious]

the return of the Sumerian gods

the Anunnaki

princely offspring or of royal blood or sons of principalities

gods of the underworld



"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." - Ephesians 6:12


the rumor of their return is not good news

but since the world does not love truth then this is what we get


will they require our blood and souls

just like in the old days


the days of Noah

Why is it not good news?
You might get to meet your jehovah.

[evancruz1]

I think I would feel better about trusting the Sumerians then our current state of ruling...

[RedeZra]

Why is it not good news?
You might get to meet your jehovah.

there is God and there are gods

the Great spirit and just spirits


some spirits fell from the grace of the Great spirit and some spirits not

some gods fell from the grace of God and some gods not


the elite is knee-deep in spirit service

but why do they worship those that fell

from the grace of God

[Eric J (Viking)]

Only 3 minutes ...but ... does anyone know who the speaker is at the beginning???

The gods are returning, not invading. They have started with a trickle, with both random and carefully planned mass sightings. Soon the "event" will be upon us, and the Anunnaki will be returning en masse. We will meet our makers, we will meet our ancestors. And the world will wake from the dream of orphanage to remember our parents, our guardians. These are not invaders. They have been coming here long before we existed. And they are truly benevolent, unlike what television and movies program us to believe. And they exist. The elite humans of earth are not faking the existence of UFOs and aliens. However, their aim is to manipulate us to fear and hate the returning gods rather than embrace them for who they truly are: our saviors. For they will destroy the New World Order, as the gods oppose deception. And they will come and destroy key military bases, especially underground bases. And the elite-controlled earth governments will declare that we are being invaded, and that we are being warred upon. But the truth is that it will be the insidious international bankers who are being warred upon, and all of their puppet governments destroyed. The power elite will be completely annihilated, and the meek - people like us - will inherit the earth.


KFAtyH_k8KM

viking

Hmmmm interesting, just listening to Kerry's latest and Sanchez has just stated that the Anunaki will be returning by 2012?!!

here
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34034-PROJECT-CAMELOT-ANTHONY-SANCHEZ-DULCE-AND-PROJECT-LEONID--video-

viking

[RedeZra]

it seems the international illuminati is the power behind most governments

pitting nations against nations

while we die defending our national identity

just to consolidate the control of our international illuminati leaders


who are in allegiance with the legions of hell

spirits who can manifest in forms which suit the situation


so things that are coming might not be as they seem

even when we see them with our own eyes

[Lord Sidious]

it seems the international illuminati is the power behind most governments

pitting nations against nations

while we die defending our national identity

just to consolidate the control of our international illuminati leaders


who are in allegiance with the legions of hell

spirits who can manifest in forms which suit the situation


so things that are coming might not be as they seem

even when we see them with our own eyes

The so called illuminati are only one group.
I would say to all of you, if you know their name, whether an individual or a group, it isn't them.
They are NOT the real main players.
The people we think run the world, don't.
Those who do, you wouldn't have ever heard their names, you wouldn't have seen their pictures.

[RedeZra]

The so called illuminati are only one group.


there is probably only one group at the top of the pyramid of power

pulling the chains of command and pitting players against players fronts against fronts and nations against nation


the top players have to be extremely tricky

not only to fool the outsiders but also the insiders

as they are so few at the top

[Lord Sidious]

The so called illuminati are only one group.


there is probably only one group at the top of the pyramid of power

pulling the chains of command and pitting players against players fronts against fronts and nations against nation


the top players have to be extremely tricky

not only to fool the outsiders but also the insiders

as they are so few at the top

Your jehovah is the eye in the pyramid.
The first level under that is the unknown groups.
The illuminati MIGHT be on the next level.

[Ishtar]

Lordy, Could all the Gods that want to be saviours of humanity please line up in a single file in an orderly manner please. :director:


:rofl:

In my experience as a shaman, the 'gods' of the old scriptures and sacred texts are the intradimensional (not extraterrestrial) beings known as the spirits. They were known by many different names in different cultures. The Mystery religions of the late Neolithic period in Egypt and the Middle East turned them into gods, just to give them an identity that people could relate to and this includes the Annunaki. In my experience, they are benign beings that live alongside us here ~ they are already here, but in other dimensions, and the shaman contacts them through trance for guidance and information. But I don' t think they have any plans for landing here in spaceships and kicking out the existing order!

I think it's quite hilarious how all the various disinformation agencies are pedalling different stories about who's coming to save us ... from the Andromeda Council, the Galactic Federation, the Arcuturian Group, the Ascended Masters and the guys from Sirius and the Pleiades...? You'd have thought that psi-op would have got together to agree on their story first .... In a scene straight out of Enoch, I also hear that the Galactic Federation have split and the 'fallen angels' have formed the Galactic Council ... I'm reminded of that Life of Brian sketch:

Brian: Excuse me. Are you the Judean People's Front?
Reg: **** off! We're the People's Front of Judea

Get the popcorn out! This one's going to roll and roll! :cool:

[RedeZra]

Your jehovah is the eye in the pyramid.
The first level under that is the unknown groups.
The illuminati MIGHT be on the next level.

do you know that Jesus is little Jehovah

[RedeZra]

In my experience as a shaman, the 'gods' of the old scriptures and sacred texts are the intradimensional (not extraterrestrial) beings known as the spirits. They were known by many different names in different cultures. The Mystery religions of the late Neolithic period in Egypt and the Middle East turned them into gods, just to give them an identity that people could relate to and this includes the Annunaki.

i agree

the gods are finite spirits

who can manifest and manipulate mind and matter

but they also gave birth to demigods or hybrids between spirits and humans

gods in flesh the heroes of old




But I don' t think they have any plans for landing here in spaceships and kicking out the existing order!

let's just wait and see about that

i think they will

[Ron Mauer Sr]

The so called illuminati are only one group.


there is probably only one group at the top of the pyramid of power

pulling the chains of command and pitting players against players fronts against fronts and nations against nation


the top players have to be extremely tricky

not only to fool the outsiders but also the insiders

as they are so few at the top

Your jehovah is the eye in the pyramid.
The first level under that is the unknown groups.
The illuminati MIGHT be on the next level.

I think we could really use an organizational chart here, drawn in 3 dimensions, the third dimension indicating vibrational reality. Of course it would need to be a work in progress. There is just so much to learn and UN-learn. Maybe add some indicator which groups support truth and freedom. Those are important issues (to me).

But in the final analysis, would not everything be ONE?

[Lord Sidious]

Your jehovah is the eye in the pyramid.
The first level under that is the unknown groups.
The illuminati MIGHT be on the next level.

do you know that Jesus is little Jehovah

I thought he was the mexican guy that mows Timothy Geithners lawns? :p

[Noble Hops]

Upon reading this thread, I had a spontaneous vision of Mitt Romney being elected President for this whole thing going down in the next few years. Wouldn't it make great sense to install a Mormon into office to introduce us to/help us understand our new space overlords? ;)

Then, when the E.T. false flag operation turns into a total disaster, all hell will break loose, and the masses will blame everything on perceived "right-wingers", who will in turn become the biggest scapegoats of the 21st century. There will be a Marxist revolution in the streets of the U.S. that the world has never seen. Please tell me this idea is totally ridiculous. :p

[RedeZra]

Your jehovah is the eye in the pyramid.
The first level under that is the unknown groups.
The illuminati MIGHT be on the next level.

do you know that Jesus is little Jehovah

I thought he was the mexican guy that mows Timothy Geithners lawns? :p

he is just an impostor


if Jehovah is the Eye of the illuminati

then little Jehovah or Jesus Christ

is now the known unknown level above the illuminati

and a mastermind of evil


Luciferians believe that Jesus Christ is evil but they know the Eye is Lucifer

so Sith you have taken a wrong thought turn somewhere

[Lord Sidious]

Your jehovah is the eye in the pyramid.
The first level under that is the unknown groups.
The illuminati MIGHT be on the next level.

do you know that Jesus is little Jehovah

I thought he was the mexican guy that mows Timothy Geithners lawns? :p

he is just an impostor


if Jehovah is the Eye of the illuminati

then little Jehovah or Jesus Christ

is now the known unknown level above the illuminati

and a mastermind of evil


Luciferians believe that Jesus Christ is evil but they know the Eye is Lucifer

so Sith you have taken a wrong thought turn somewhere

That is IF jesus was the son of jehovah, which I doubt.
Even in your new testament, he never claimed that.

[161803398]

I don't think God has a name. I was a bit horrified when someone told me god was named "yahweh". I don't like "Jehovah" much either. But, look - this is from the Gospel of Judas:

Jesus said, “[Come], that I may teach you about [secrets] no person [has] ever seen. For
there exists a great and boundless realm, whose extent no generation of angels has seen,
[in which] there is [a] great invisible [Spirit],
which no eye of an angel has ever seen,
no thought of the heart has ever comprehended,
and it was never called by any name.

[Buck]

In answer to your question, yes :)

[RedeZra]

That is IF jesus was the son of jehovah, which I doubt.
Even in your new testament, he never claimed that.


there is no doubt that Jehovah of the Old Testament

is the God of King David and the Israelites


but who is this Father whom Jesus Christ refers to in the New Testament


look to Luke

"He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; - Luke 1:32


who was the God of King David again ?

"That men may know that you, whose name alone is Jehovah, are the most high over all the earth." - Psalm 83:18



"he who has seen Me has seen Father" - John 14:9

"I and Father are One" - John 10:30


Jesus is little Jehovah

God the Son and second Person of the Trinity


we are not speaking about simple finite spirits here but God

[Lord Sidious]

Well, is that in YOUR bible, or THE bible?
How many versions are there?
What about the council of Nicaea?

[RedeZra]

Well, is that in YOUR bible, or THE bible?
How many versions are there?
What about the council of Nicaea?

the above Old Testament quotes are Hebrew transliterations


if you take the time to compare Bible versions then you will be hard pressed to find any differences between them


and what about the council of Nicaea

should not the churches in Egypt teach the same as the churches in Rome ?

[Lord Sidious]

Well, is that in YOUR bible, or THE bible?
How many versions are there?
What about the council of Nicaea?

the above Old Testament quotes are Hebrew transliterations


if you take the time to compare Bible versions then you will be hard pressed to find any differences between them


and what about the council of Nicaea

should not the churches in Egypt teach the same as the churches in Rome ?

The bible isn't written in one single language.
And there are HUGE differences in bibles, because I DID check.
And what about the other gospels that were not included in the new testament because the bishops didn't agree?
What about Arius being exiled?

[RedeZra]

And what about the other gospels that were not included in the new testament because the bishops didn't agree?
What about Arius being exiled?

Arius is an interesting character in the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD

Arius and Arianisme (which was very popular in early Europe) argued that God the Son Jesus Christ is a creation of God the Father

and that Jesus Christ is not God Himself in His own right

that there was a time when the Son did not exist and that the Logos had a beginning


this idea is at odds with Jesus Christ's own words in the New Testament

where He states with no uncertainty that He is God the Son

and not a creation but the Creator


Constantine the Great convened the First Council of Nicaea in an effort to settle this dispute between the bishops

because he was not interested in a split in his new state religion



so is Jesus Christ God or not ?

i believe this and you believe that


but the truth is not dependant on what we believe

so we better belive right and act accordingly


else there be hell to pay ; )

[jcocks]

Personally, I think the sun worshipers had it about right...

We don't give the sun enough credence. There is much more to this solar system than meets the eye. Don't even ask about the galaxy!
Jehovah might be a local god, if that. Either that or he's a little troublemaker about to get his bum smacked :P
There's so many layers between that layer and the "unseen hand" of our planet it isn't funny...and our unseen hand only has the power it has because we've given it to them. But the universe is about to take care of that. Sooner or later, we're going to get flooded with energy, and strange things are gonna happen all around. Good luck with them keeping their grip on power then! They won't even know what's going on, and they'll be confronted with a populace that knows the truth and wants their power back. Should be fun :)

[Lord Sidious]

And what about the other gospels that were not included in the new testament because the bishops didn't agree?
What about Arius being exiled?

Arius is an interesting character in the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD

Arius and Arianisme (which was very popular in early Europe) argued that God the Son Jesus Christ is a creation of God the Father

and that Jesus Christ is not God Himself in His own right

that there was a time when the Son did not exist and that the Logos had a beginning


this idea is at odds with Jesus Christ's own words in the New Testament

where He states with no uncertainty that He is God the Son

and not a creation but the Creator


Constantine the Great convened the First Council of Nicaea in an effort to settle this dispute between the bishops

because he was not interested in a split in his new state religion



so is Jesus Christ God or not ?

i believe this and you believe that


but the truth is not dependant on what we believe

so we better belive right and act accordingly


else there be hell to pay ; )

Jesus never said he was the son of god or god.
I don't believe in any of the abrahamic tales.
What about the other gospels?
Some of those are from eye witnesses, allegedly.
Most of those in the new testament are not.

[Xenos]

And what about the other gospels that were not included in the new testament because the bishops didn't agree?
What about Arius being exiled?

Arius is an interesting character in the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD

Arius and Arianisme (which was very popular in early Europe) argued that God the Son Jesus Christ is a creation of God the Father

and that Jesus Christ is not God Himself in His own right

that there was a time when the Son did not exist and that the Logos had a beginning


this idea is at odds with Jesus Christ's own words in the New Testament

where He states with no uncertainty that He is God the Son

and not a creation but the Creator


Constantine the Great convened the First Council of Nicaea in an effort to settle this dispute between the bishops

because he was not interested in a split in his new state religion



so is Jesus Christ God or not ?

i believe this and you believe that


but the truth is not dependant on what we believe

so we better belive right and act accordingly


else there be hell to pay ; )

Jesus never said he was the son of god or god.
I don't believe in any of the abrahamic tales.
What about the other gospels?
Some of those are from eye witnesses, allegedly.
Most of those in the new testament are not.

In early Christian scriptures it is said : "Jesus" is a hidden name, "Christ" is a revealed name. For this reason "Jesus" is not particular to any language; rather he is always called by the name "Jesus". While as for "Christ", in Syriac it is "Messiah", in Greek it is "Christ". Certainly all the others have it according to their own language. "The Nazarene" is he who reveals what is hidden. Christ has everything in himself, whether man, or angel, or mystery, and the Father.

Jesus also said that we can be greater than him... that's why "walk-in" made him a god to never be reachable by people.

What Jesus did we can do it.

[RedeZra]

Jesus never said he was the son of god or god.
I don't believe in any of the abrahamic tales.
What about the other gospels?
Some of those are from eye witnesses, allegedly.
Most of those in the new testament are not.

Amen Amen I say to you before Abraham was born I Am

Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple - John 8:58-59


remember the passage where boy Jesus was in the temple impressing the scribes conserning scripture

well who would know the words of God better than the Word Himself

[RedeZra]

Jesus also said that we can be greater than him... that's why "walk-in" made him a god to never be reachable by people.

What Jesus did we can do it.

yes we can do what Jesus did but we can't be greater than Him

we can do greater works than Him here on earth because He had such a short life here with us

He went back to the Father and sent the Holy spirit to His followers back on earth

so that those with the Holy spirit within them could continue the ministry of Jesus Christ

in the Spirit of healing and truth

til He returns

[Ishtar]

To get back on topic, It seems that a new back story is being created for us, now that the old Christianity one has failed. There’s been a drip drip feed over a number of years, which is how psi-op campaigns usually work, and now this new Sumerian gods one is building to a crescendo with the release of Darren Lynn Bousman’s latest horror thriller, 11-11-11. I haven’t seen it, but no doubt there will be a huge battle over the Brooklyn Bridge or some other equally iconic monument.

Darren Lynn Bousman’s says his latest schlock-horror flick 11-11-11 is based on the beliefs of the Acensionist movement of so-called Lightworkers. These beliefs of the Lightworkers are fed and watered by what are purported to be channelled communications from a number of anonymous sources that they have to trustingly believe in, because they’re told that applying critical or sceptical thought will prevent them from being saved. ‘Being saved’ means ascending to the Heavens on 11 November 2011, or 11.11.11.

So in this new back story being prepared for us, the Anunnaki are being labelled as the bad guys and responsible for all the evils of the world going back to Sumerian times. Now, depending upon who you decide to believe, the Anunnaki are coming to invade us on their planet Nibiru and will steal our all our women and all our gold, or they’re already here in reptilian form and other ETs are coming to save us from them.

The date 11.11.11 is also being mooted as the Event, a sort of Armageddon-type ET scenario ~ Revelations crossed with the War of the Worlds ~ in which all the good people will ascend to the Heavens.

Sound familiar? As you see, once again, the global elite are using fear and panic to try to control us, and the script writers haven’t even bothered to come up with a new story. They must be from Hollywood where tried and tested formulas are always preferred over original thought, hence so many sequels. Or they might be written by Scientologists. L. Ron Hubbard had contact with the CIA and was also a prolific science fiction writer.

But in Armageddon II: The Second Coming of the Anunnaki, it’s also quite hilarious to see how all the various disinformation agencies are pedalling different stories about who’s coming to save us. In fact, it seems that the skies are going to be so crowded with the Saviours of Mankind that there may not even be room for the chemtrails!

In my experience, this new psi-ops campaign is trading on us not understanding that mythology consists of allegorical teaching stories and it is not history. By mythology, I include in this the Jewish mythology which is contained in the Old and New Testaments. The earliest Christians were those now known as Gnostics, and they treated as allegorical and not literal all the stories about Jesus, which had many similar metaphors and motifs to the OT Exodus stories).

(If this a new understanding of Christianity to you, I suggest a good place to start to explore further along these lines is Timothy Freke's and Peter Gandy's The Jesus Mysteries (http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Mysteries-Was-Original-Pagan/dp/0609807986)).

The belief about Jesus as a real historical character came about centuries after his 'birth' and was instituted by Romans (not Jews) such as Bishops Iraneus and Polycarp and later turned into the official line of the religion by Emperor Constantine in the 4th century CE. Constantine didn't believe it in himself, by the way, that Jesus was a real historical character. But that line, fed by the psi-ops of the time (the Roman army) of Original Sin and the killing of the Son of God by mankind, was a great way to control the masses of his empire.

The new psi-ops campaign about the return of Sumerian gods is just the latest version. But in my experience, the ‘gods’ of the old scriptures, such as the Sumerian Anunnaki, the Celtic Fae and Tuatha da Danaan, the Vedic Asuras etc, are the intradimensional (not extraterrestrial) beings known as the spirits. They were known by many different names in different cultures. The Mystery religions of the late Neolithic period in Egypt and the Middle East turned them into ‘gods’ with human form, just to give them an identity that people could relate to and this includes the Anunnaki.

They are benign beings that live alongside us here ~ they are already here, but in other dimensions, and the shaman contacts them through trance for guidance and information. But I don’ t think they have any plans for landing here in spaceships and kicking out the existing order! However, they are quite easy to make contact with, through shamanic techniques. (Described in What Is A Shaman and What Does A Shaman Do? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34050-What-Is-A-Shaman-and-What-Does-A-Shaman-Do))

[RedeZra]

The belief about Jesus as a real historical character came about centuries after his 'birth' and was instituted by Romans (not Jews) such as Bishops Iraneus and Polycarp and later turned into the official line of the religion by Emperor Constantine in the 4th century CE. Constantine didn't believe it in himself, by the way, that Jesus was a real historical character. But that line, fed by the psi-ops of the time (the Roman army) of Original Sin and the killing of the Saviour by mankind, was a great way to control the masses of his empire.



yes this is the Luceferian lie

and as you perhaps know the Luceferians are ruling the world

so you need to really research this

for if you just scratch the surface

then you will believe lies

[Ishtar]

LOL! This may make you laugh, RedeZra. I researched that very subject for years and years and years, and came to my conclusions that way. After all that hard work and burning of the midnight oil, I came across The Jesus Mysteries by Freke and Gandy and I was quite upset to find that they also had been going down the same research lines as myself, and had produced this book containing the results a good while before I set out on my own journey. I was quite miffed to realise that I'd wasted all those years when all I'd needed to do ws to read that book and so this is why I'm recommending it to anyone unfamiliar with this line of thought ~ to save them from wasting their time.

According to my research, the word Lucifer is a misunderstanding based on a mistranslation by Jerome of a passage in Isaiah which is actually referring to Venus. Otherwise Lucifer does not appear in any of the Judaeo-Christian literature including the Bible, and was mentioned first by John Milton in Paradise Lost, possibly because he' d discovered it where it was used as a symbolic key in Hermetic texts.

I have also heard of the Luciferian Lie but, in my opinion, and based on all of the above, it is just more psi-ops designed to scare us. Luckily, I don't scare easily. ;)

I hope this helps.


In Peace,

Ishtar

[percival tyro]

Thanks ...Who/when/where would be the welcoming place/ time/ master of ceremonies etc. Could it be the 2012 Olympics or is that an Illuminati show.

[shamanseeker]

The belief about Jesus as a real historical character came about centuries after his 'birth' and was instituted by Romans (not Jews) such as Bishops Iraneus and Polycarp and later turned into the official line of the religion by Emperor Constantine in the 4th century CE. Constantine didn't believe it in himself, by the way, that Jesus was a real historical character. But that line, fed by the psi-ops of the time (the Roman army) of Original Sin and the killing of the Saviour by mankind, was a great way to control the masses of his empire.



yes this is the Luceferian lie

and as you perhaps know the Luceferians are ruling the world

so you need to really research this

for if you just scratch the surface

then you will believe lies



Hi RedeZra,

The people who are perpetrating all those heinous crimes, child abuse, human sacrifice, etc. are the Establishment which equals: The Governments, The Big International Companies and the Religions! I know you don't want to accept that the religions are part of the establishment but unfortunately this is the case.

Best wishes

[161803398]

Tl4RthUndt8

[Eric J (Viking)]

Stan Deyo ... The full interview...

Stan reveals that sources inside the Defense Department are whispering about a coming event they call "the return of the Sumerian gods".
Stan Deyo has held Above Top Secret Security Clearance and worked undercover for the FBI. He was part of an exclusive "black project", headed by Dr. Edward Teller specializing in the development of "flying saucer technology". Stan trained in computer programming at IBM. Stan's main love is still advanced propulsion and "free" energy research which took him to Australia in '71 to work on these systems. Currently Stan is working on a Tesla-based energy system, several propulsion projects and is a public lecturer on world events, including: The coming global economic collapse / Developing solar-related crises in the Earth's climate / The "UFO Deception and its real intent / Suppression of badly needed technologies / The coming destruction of America by civil war followed by foreign invasion / High voltage physics of cheaper energy / The New World Order from the perspective of a former FBI 'spy." Included in this discussion is the history of alternative energy breathroughs, Edward Teller's covert technological development program, the mathematical equations used in the advanced physics as well as in-depth information and slides demonstrating 'anti-gravity', the effort used in the 50s to try to get scientists to think outside the box, as well as the multinationalist's "N.W.O." agenda utilizing "U.F.O." technology and their reasons for doing so.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGRrB693TUA

viking

[RedeZra]

According to my research, the word Lucifer is a misunderstanding based on a mistranslation by Jerome of a passage in Isaiah which is actually referring to Venus.


the masculine noun heylel ben shachar in Isaiah 14:12 means something like shining one or morning star son of the morning or dawn

"How are you fallen from heaven shining one son of the morning. How are you cut down to the earth to weaken the nations" - Isaiah 14:12

it is obvious that Isaiah is not talking about Venus the planet or Venus the goddess


read the rest of Isaiah 14 and see that he is speaking about the King of Babel who is the shining one or the spirit of oppression

the shining spirit who thought he could be God and who fell naturally like a leaf in the autumn


"I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven." - Luke 10:18

[Ishtar]

That passage was translated by Jerome into Latin from Greek, RedeZra, not Hebrew.

If you have an Authorised King James version of the Bible, you’ll find Lucifer in Isaiah. Later translations have removed it.

“How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!” Isaiah 14:12

‘Lucifer’ is a Latin word and was not, therefore, in the original Greek manuscripts. It comes from the words ‘lux’ (light/fire) and ‘ferre’ (to bear/to bring) and when put together means ‘bearer of light’ or ‘bringer of fire’. Lucifer is also one the Latin names for the morning star, Venus. So is the Greek word Eosphorus or Phosphorous.

“At length as the Morning Star (Eosphorus) was beginning to herald the light which saffron-mantled Dawn was soon to suffuse over the sea, the flames fell and the fire began to die.” Homer, The Iliad, Book 23

“And after these Erigenia bare the star Eosphorus, and the gleaming stars with which heaven is crowned.” Hesiod, Theogony

I believe Isaiah is actually referring to the Babylonian goddess Ishtar, who was to the Babylonians what Venus was to the Greeks. The name Ishtar means 'star' in Babylonian. There was much bitterness, as you can imagine there would be, between the Babylonians and the Hebrews. The Hebrews were all kept in captivity for hundreds of years in Babylon. Hence, I imagine, the bitterness of Isaiah's words. However, we don't have to adopt the views or the sentiments of Isaiah...unless, of course, we want to! ;)

Satan is a completely different character.

[RedeZra]

That passage was translated by Jerome into Latin from Greek, RedeZra, not Hebrew.

There was much bitterness, as you can imagine there would be, between the Babylonians and the Hebrews. The Hebrews were all kept in captivity for hundreds of years in Babylon. Hence, I imagine, the bitterness of Isaiah's words.

According to your research the word Lucifer is a misunderstanding based on a mistranslation by Jerome of a passage in Isaiah which is actually referring to Venus


let's look at the original Hebrew term in Isaiah 14:12 which is heylel ben shachar and is made up of no less than three masculine nouns


heylel means shining one (Young's Concordance), morning star (Strong's Exhaustive Concordance), bright star or splendid star (Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon)


only once does this word appear in the Hebrew Bible so who or what is this heylel ben shachar ?


it is masculine shining perhaps like a star and angels are often referred to as stars in the Bible but this seems to be a special shining one spirt star or angel who somehow fell from heaven to oppress people and weaken nations


is it wrong to call this fallen spirit star angel Lucifer ? ok let's just name him Satan then like Christ does ; )

[Ishtar]

Well, Redezra you can call him Satan if you like, but Satan in the oldest books of the Bible is not evil. Through the usual Psy-Ops campaign of the times, he became a handy scapeGOAT for the Christians, to create fear and a control mechanism, which was achieved by countless 'edits' of the New Testament, amd which was written by Greeks not the Jews. So if you're going to insist on the Jewish translation, you will need to engage with the Jewish/Hebrew mythology from the Old Testament, which is much older.

If you'll bear with me I'll describe the origins of Satan from the Old Testament.

Satan first appears in the Book of Numbers as an angel supporting the work of the gods or spirits of the shaman (or diviner), Balaam. We can trace him right through the mythology of the Hebrews until he ends up as the Hammer Horror character he is today — for which we can blame the usual suspects: Hollywood, the Roman Catholic Church and the advertising industry.

So who was this Satan angel and why did he appear to Balaam?

The story is set at a time when the Israelites had just come out of their 40 year wander around the Wilderness, and they had already conquered two kings. The king of Moab knew he was next on the list, and possibly because he didn’t want to face the Israelites in battle, came up with a cunning plan. He sent messengers to Balaam with all sorts of inducements for him to put a curse on the Children of Israel.

Balaam’s spirits (gods) were having none of this, and refused. So the king of Moab sent even further bribes, entreaties and outright blackmail Balaam’s way and so, in the end, our shaman was tempted to agree, and he did what no shaman should ever do. He set off on his ass to perform the curse without the permission of his spirit guides.

However, no sooner had Balaam got going down the road but “the satan” angel spirit stood in his path, barring the way. Balaam couldn’t see the satan, but his ass, obviously with much greater sensitivity and perception, could. So because the ass was rivetted by this terrifying shining apparition up ahead, he refused to budge. (And by the way, this story also comes from a time when angels were not the twee little fairy-like white-winged creatures which we hang on Christmas trees today. They were huge and often very fierce looking, as was the satan angel).

Balaam and the angel by Gustav Jaeger
http://ishtarsgate.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/balaamandtheangel.jpg?w=450&h=354


In today’s Old Testament, it is written that it is God’s advice that Balaam was ignoring. But it is well understood that during the course of the many and varied rewritings and re-presenting of these stories to suit differing political purposes, especially the move from polytheism to montheism, the terms ‘the gods’ was transcribed to ‘God’, thus causing no amount of confusion down the millennia.

It’s also interesting to note ~ knowing as we do that many of these originally orally transmitted stories began as astronomical metaphors and allegories ~ the similarity of the words ‘satan’ and ‘Saturn’. As anyone interested in astrology will already know, if you get Saturn in your horoscope then you can expect to be obstructed at just about every turn as you try to pursue your life plans, just as the satan spirit obstructed Balaam.

“Saturn’s action is principally binding, chastening, chronic, cold, crystallising, denuding, hardening, depleting, hindering, limiting, magnetic, obstructing, retarding and suppressing,” says traditional astrologer Peter Stockinger.

He continues:

“Also known as Kronos, or Cronos, Saturn is known as the malefic and “The Greater Infortune”. However, Saturn in himself is not evil, but is chastening, corrective and untiring in his efforts to arouse humanity to better and right living, and by bringing sorrow, suffering, sickness, trials and tribulations upon people that they may learn by their experience and reap what they sow.”

Perhaps, for this reason, Saturn is also known as “The Reaper”, “The Tester”, “The Chastener” and “The Initiator”, as poor old Job experienced.

In the old Torah story of Job, it is ‘the satan’ who is causing no end of trouble for Job in his life. In fact, the story of Job reads just like a shaman initiation story. The spirits do sometimes cause what appears to the poor trainee shaman to be havoc in their life. It certainly has the net effect of obstructing any course towards a ‘normal life’, before he surrenders to his vocation. This has been recorded by Mircea Eliade in his book Shamanism:Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy, a compilation of anthropologists’ interviews with shamans worldwide at the end of the 19th century.

Over the course of thousands of years, we can chart this gradual deterioration of the character of the satan angel, who was just doing its job. In this 19th century painting by William Blake, we can see the beginnings of Count Dracula’s bat-winged cape.

Satan smiting Job with boils
http://ishtarsgate.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/blake-satan1.gif?w=450&h=339

And it didn’t take long for the collective subconscious to produce this, albeit through the artist Edward Gorey.

http://ishtarsgate.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/draculagorey.jpg?w=450&h=632

But we don’t need to believe in astrology or shamanism or even the spirits to appreciate this disservice that has been done to Satan; we just need to be aware of the metaphors that pervaded mythological thought across the civilised world during the late Neolithic period. These metaphors were transmitted through the collective subconscious in the form of symbols and archetypes. The subconscious mind is an enormous driver of our thoughts, words and deeds.

Even today, our subconscious mind is driven by symbols and archetypes from a belief system which our conscious mind no longer has any knowledge of, although that doesn’t prevent advertisers using them successfully in convincing us to buy a pile of stuff we don’t need.

However, it’s interesting to study the history of these archetypes in mythology, because then we eventually realise what a bunch of old pap we’re being sold — whether by religion, politics, marketing or the media — and can just politely hand it straight back to them.

[RedeZra]

So who was this Satan angel and why did he appear to Balaam?



Peace be upon you child of God


you got that upside down

this is an Angel of the Lord


God bless you

[Ishtar]

That was my point exactly. Satan is an angel of the Lord.

Thank you for your blessings.

[Ishtar]

I think the problem is that society as a whole has fallen victim to various Psy-Ops campaigns going back thousands of years, at least as far back as Zoroaster, who, we believe, was the first one to create a monotheistic (One over-ruling) god over a pantheon of gods. He then divided that pantheon into ‘good’ and ‘bad’ gods, so that the people who still included the ‘bad’ gods equally in their pantheon with the ‘good’ gods (namely, in his time, the Indians) were ‘bad’ people. In other words, by splitting the system down the middle, what you end up with is dualism and you have to go as far back to the ancient Indian Vedas to find a non-dual (known as advaita) system.

This dualism is otherwise known as Divide and Rule, and it has served our masters well for millennia. However, many of us are now waking up to it and refusing to be controlled by it, preferring instead to Love one another unconditionally, regardless of the religious beliefs we have been born into through no fault of our own.

[Centauro]

I doubt that there is any truth in that YouTube video, or in the video description that Viking has posted here.

And the suggestions that we "should embrace the gods as our saviors"... please! Isn't this the "Obama speech"??

If this so called saviors are really coming, it is not us the meek who will inherit the Earth, it is them who will install themselves as our gods

And by the way, if any alien would check out the story of Jesus, they would be very worried to call themselves "our saviors"

I think idle Panda has very good point and I agree with what he says.

TRUST NO ONE


Centauro

[Eric J (Viking)]

I doubt that there is any truth in that YouTube video, or in the video description that Viking has posted here.

And the suggestions that we "should embrace the gods as our saviors"... please! Isn't this the "Obama speech"??

If this so called saviors are really coming, it is not us the meek who will inherit the Earth, it is them who will install themselves as our gods

And by the way, if any alien would check out the story of Jesus, they would be very worried to call themselves "our saviors"

I think idle Panda has very good point and I agree with what he says.

TRUST NO ONE


Centauro

Yes I can see where these thoughts are coming from...

But, we must adopt a thinking pattern that enables us to look at the bigger picture and beyond.

If ET is up there and we all know they are, then we must assume that some are millions of years ahead of 'our time' ...now bearing this in mind >>>

Would we embrace their wisdom?...would we embrace their teccnology... would we embrace their guidance with regard to a fairer way of living/sharing and distribution of the fundamentals of liife with equality and service to others. Why not I ask...the current paradigm is not working..we all know that...we most certainly will not get and guidance from the current controllers of the planet (although they are diminishing at a rapid speed) ...

so again I say why not?

Would I embrace them...I sure would.

Remember they won't control, they will guide.

viking

[Kindred]

I doubt that there is any truth in that YouTube video, or in the video description that Viking has posted here.

And the suggestions that we "should embrace the gods as our saviors"... please! Isn't this the "Obama speech"??

If this so called saviors are really coming, it is not us the meek who will inherit the Earth, it is them who will install themselves as our gods

And by the way, if any alien would check out the story of Jesus, they would be very worried to call themselves "our saviors"

I think idle Panda has very good point and I agree with what he says.

TRUST NO ONE


Centauro

Yes I can see where these thoughts are coming from...

But, we must adopt a thinking pattern that enables us to look at the bigger picture and beyond.

If ET is up there and we all know they are, then we must assume that some are millions of years ahead of 'our time' ...now bearing this in mind >>>

Would we embrace their wisdom?...would we embrace their teccnology... would we embrace their guidance with regard to a fairer way of living/sharing and distribution of the fundamentals of liife with equality and service to others. Why not I ask...the current paradigm is not working..we all know that...we most certainly will not get and guidance from the current controllers of the planet (although they are diminishing at a rapid speed) ...

so again I say why not?

Would I embrace them...I sure would.

Remember they won't control, they will guide.

viking

Technology without Spiritual Enlightenment will (and Has) destroyed 'us'... many, many times, on many worlds. 'They' have been attempting to guide us for a very, very long time. There have been civilizations of significant spiritual and technological development here on Earth, but they were destroyed by natural (or perhaps, un-spiritual sentient) forces, and others were simply not strong enough to last very long.

What remains today is the remnant of many different species that have arrived on this planet Ages ago, and we are making many of the same old mistakes. In our 'defense', we have been seriously manipulated through Many different modalities for countless ages, specifically to Keep us divided, and snipping and biting at each other, while these manipulators reaped outrageous advantages at the majority's expense, literally and figuratively.

But, the time is coming for US, as a species, to rise up and take back what is rightfully OURS... we are beginning to see this manifest as we write. It is primarily Our responsibility to make the changes required, particularly in the Spiritual sense. Truly, we have all the technology we need and can handle. We just need to use it more wisely and in a spiritually enlightened fashion.

THEY will help as required to remove the manipulative powers, but They will Not 'do it all'... True spiritual development comes through individual concentration and action.
"Be the change you wish to see in the world" (Gandhi) could not be more descriptive of this situation.

In Unity and Peace

[redlotus]

:bs::suspicious:
Based on the research I uncovered, (it is out there), there is the original "good" Annunaki, and then there is the 'hijacked story of the "bad" Annunaki - and that is the story everyone seems to buy without questioning its validity.
Before you read anything, question the author, what could be the motive and in who's interest the book(s) may have been written. Why is it advantagous to 'lead the opposition' for TPTB (I call them TPTW = the powers that were)? Sitchin was working for such groups. Even if some of the tablets may seem like it 'fits' into his theories, there are only a few obscure scientists, (who are mostly ignored by mainstream) who can decipher this ancient language. My point is, this is just another 'fairytale story' to spook the little sheep, and keep them in fear as long as possible. Time to wake up and be our Sovereign Selves! :tinfoil3: :peace:

[redlotus]

:dizzy:
It's time we GET OUT of stories, stories, stories, endless fairytale stories! :tsk:
These -written- stories, going back to millenea, as Ishtar pointed out, was to serve Duality. Our planet entered the deepest crevices of Duality, where lightwaves sloooow down and anybody can sell you anything like in the dark alleys of Bombai.
People, please, get your minds out of the 4th Dimensional fairytales, and just BE in the Flow, in the NOW - that is where Duality CAN NOT enter. The wake-up process is painful and fun.:grouphug: