1 Marine vs. 30 Cops: Marine Punks NYPD Cops..!

[jackovesk]

1 Marine vs. 30 Cops: Marine Punks NYPD Cops!

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"United States Marine Corps. Sgt. Shamar Thomas from Roosevelt, NY went toe to toe with the New York Police Department. An activist in the Occupy Wall Street movement, Thomas voiced his opinions of the NYPD police brutality that had and has been plaguing the #OWS movement. Thomas is a 24-year-old Marine Veteran (2 tours in Iraq), he currently plays amateur football and is in college. Thomas comes from a long line of people who sacrifice for their country: Mother, Army Veteran (Iraq), Step father, Army, active duty (Afghanistan), Grand father, Air Force veteran (Vietnam), Great Grand Father Navy veteran (World War II)."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRlQM3IS4Dg&feature=player_detailpage

PS - Thanks Sgt. Shamar Thomas for 'Telling It Like It Is' to these THUGS..!

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[Aryslan]

Balls. That dude has them. Thank you unknown soldier.

[meredith]

I saw this earlier. The only thing that bugged me was how he escalated into yelling. It made for good video but it doesn't match the nonviolent nature of these protests. I agree with what he was saying, though, and I admire his courage.

[jackovesk]

I saw this earlier. The only thing that bugged me was how he escalated into yelling. It made for good video but it doesn't match the nonviolent nature of these protests. I agree with what he was saying, though, and I admire his courage.


The only thing that bugged me was how he escalated into yelling.

Meredith,

Please remember 'Enough is Enough' he is only Human..!

IMHO this Video may serve as a reminder to other Vets, who they took an 'Oath' to Serve & Protect..!


I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

[Referee]

Great Video we see eye to eye on this jockovesk. The police need to realize they are in the stuff just like we are. They think they are on the side of the Bankers. Well their children have to grow up here. I hope they wake up. I really do or we are in big trouble over here. I used to think the US was a great place now I am ashamed of my government but I still Love the people of America and everywhere else. We need desperately top take our country back and find some justice and healing.

We need more Yelling here not less. Most Americans are still going about their lives like zombies completely oblivious to what is happening.

Best Regards,

Referee

[modwiz]

That made me choke up and have goose bumps. Did you see the emptiness in the eyes of the police? That is the look a bully when he knows he is busted and is desperately trying to hide the tail between his legs and the absolute moral destitution of his stance.

That Marine is what you call a force multiplier. We need a few more of them. Then, maybe the police will start to feel some shame and realize they are protecting criminals. They work for criminal politicians and businessmen. The Praetorian Guard for organized crime.

Nuremberg taught us that "Just doing my job", can bring a body to a bad end.

[the trojan]

wonderful.
did you see those cops all looking at each other to see who would make the first move,and the odd one slowly circling and sniffing at him like dogs..
I dont have a problem with him shouting and yelling,its called Passion.
I deliver what i haveto say with passion about fifty per cent of the time and i get the same reaction,calm down,etc...
but thats okay for politicians and the like...
pure passion.
This will be an example to many others....
But what a bunch of cretins and true sheeple those cops are.

[Anchor]

I saw this earlier. The only thing that bugged me was how he escalated into yelling. It made for good video but it doesn't match the nonviolent nature of these protests. I agree with what he was saying, though, and I admire his courage.

Well, it was after all an un-amplified human voice against people with megaphones shouting at people to get back.

[learninglight]

What a man... such compassion for his fellow beings....made me cry

Ty Jackovesk for sharing

much love

[motherlove]

Is it better to kill unarmed people in another country? Who is working for the corporation of the United States of America and where is Waldo? Please don't get me wrong the program is deep. Best Wishes

[Fred Steeves]

That made me choke up and have goose bumps. Did you see the emptiness in the eyes of the police? That is the look a bully when he knows he is busted and is desperately trying to hide the tail between his legs and the absolute moral destitution of his stance.

That is what you call a force multiplier. We need a few more of them. Then, maybe the police will start to feel some shame and realize they are protecting criminals. They work for criminal politicians and businessmen. The Praetorian Guard for organized crime.

Nuremberg taught us that "Just doing my job" can bring a body to a bad end.

Interesting you mention the cops eyes modwiz, that was a deja vu that really struck me. It was the exact same vacant look I saw with the incident at my next door neighbor's house a couple months ago. When they suddenly surrounded me and slapped on the cuffs, I was incredulous, and likely looking and sounding just like the sargeant there for a moment. THAT was when I REALLY noticed the eyes, as I was not so shyly informing a good half dozen of them or so that they should be ashamed of themselves.

It hadn't really occured to me modwiz that the "look" was shame, although I hope you are indeed correct in that to a point. What I saw was the glazed look of being of service to Homeland Security, and NOT the people or the Constitution. They are instilled with the idea that it's We The People who are the threat, and the most important thing they are to do is obey orders, and get themselves home safe.

Oh yes, one more thing. I too actually got told in the most earnest of sincerity that they were "just doing their jobs", and I mentioned for them to exercise caution, as that excuse didn't exactly fly at Nuremberg. Well, from the clueless looks on their faces, it was apparent not a one of them was familiar with the word, save maybe that it might be the make of a car. You know, like yes, I drive a 2008 Dodge Nuremberg.

Great post Jack! Thank You!

Fred

[Fred Steeves]

Is it better to kill unarmed people in another country? Who is working for the corporation of the United States of America and where is Waldo? Please don't get me wrong the program is deep. Best Wishes

Very true of course, but atleast his eyes ARE opening. If he's in the process of entering the rabbit hole, beginning to question his own actions in Iraq would eventually be a unavoidable encounter.

Cheers,
Fred

[jackovesk]

That made me choke up and have goose bumps. Did you see the emptiness in the eyes of the police? That is the look a bully when he knows he is busted and is desperately trying to hide the tail between his legs and the absolute moral destitution of his stance.

That is what you call a force multiplier. We need a few more of them. Then, maybe the police will start to feel some shame and realize they are protecting criminals. They work for criminal politicians and businessmen. The Praetorian Guard for organized crime.

Nuremberg taught us that "Just doing my job" can bring a body to a bad end.

You 'Hit The Nail Right On The Head' Modwiz,

If you have'nt already please read the post 'above'...

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[Belle]

"Hypocrisy has its own elegant symmetry." Julie Metz




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuZS6aknDxQ

[Sidney]

Its chilling how some (not all) of those police look like they are soulless. Emptyness in/behind their eyes. Nothing in there.

[Calz]

IMHO this Video may serve as a reminder to other Vets, who they took an 'Oath' to Serve & Protect..!



Speaking of "Oaths" ... I believe the "Oathkeepers" group is participating in at least some of these events.

Don't be surprised to see more of these types of face offs.

[Calz]

Is it better to kill unarmed people in another country? Who is working for the corporation of the United States of America and where is Waldo? Please don't get me wrong the program is deep. Best Wishes

When you think about it most all of us who work (unless self employed) are "trapped" by the system to varying degrees.

Placed in a society that keeps most all buried in debt ... a sense of helplessness sinks in.

Yes, armed forces and police are more visible and (for whatever reason) have placed themselves in a tough spot. Yet how many of us get put in the "just doing our job" regardless of whether or not we morally want to be participating?

[Maia Gabrial]

The only thing I don't agree with Sgt Thomas is if these cops want to hurt someone to go to Iraq. NO! That's not right either. BTW I thought bullhorns weren't allowed...?
We have a right to assemble, buds....But we also know WHO just donated a chunk of change to the NYPD...right? The cops need to earn that blood money....

[PixieDust]

agree with everyone about his comment about hurting people in iraq. He seems to still be stuck in wanting to be a marine. its great and more people need to have his voice dnt get me wrong im not putting him down...but marines aren't allowed to wear their uniform in the civilian world. If you ever see a military member in uniform at the airport or ect it will never be a marine. He's wearing his jacket and introduced himself as sargent... though hes out of the marines and in college now? Why not go and speak like that as a civilian instead up putting up the front as a marine?

i understand im sure hes proud of his title and class which he did his time and earned it but why not go as a civilian?? just my thoughts. thanks for posting jacko

[modwiz]

The only thing I don't agree with Sgt Thomas is if these cops want to hurt someone to go to Iraq. NO! That's not right either. BTW I thought bullhorns weren't allowed...?
We have a right to assemble, buds....But we also know WHO just donated a chunk of change to the NYPD...right? The cops need to earn that blood money....

I think the deeper story with JP Morgan giving money to the NYPD is that the 1% are getting nervous, maybe even a little scared. These parasites do not give plebes millions without a very strong motive. They obviously wanted to make sure that their 'donation' made an impression. There is serious room for this to backfire. A few more military people telling the officers about themselves could start an inward look that the enforcement types do not often indulge in, and for good reason. Once they look 'there' it will be harder to carry on with business as usual.

This Marine may have begun a process. His act will have to followed by more like him though, for this process to not be stillborn.

[evancruz1]

It has always been my belief that at the end of the day most of our soldiers know the difference between right and wrong.

This man not only makes sense he actually embarrassed the officers! Awesome!

I take my hat off to him!

[Calz]

It has always been my belief that at the end of the day most of our soldiers know the difference between right and wrong.

This man not only makes sense he actually embarrassed the officers! Awesome!

I take my hat off to him!

... and Avalon's hat is off to you :yo:

:welcome:

[Davy]

wonderful.
did you see those cops all looking at each other to see who would make the first move,and the odd one slowly circling and sniffing at him like dogs..
I dont have a problem with him shouting and yelling,its called Passion.
I deliver what i haveto say with passion about fifty per cent of the time and i get the same reaction,calm down,etc...
but thats okay for politicians and the like...
pure passion.
This will be an example to many others....
But what a bunch of cretins and true sheeple those cops are.

I agree Trojan I get the same reaction As i get very passionate and have been accused of preaching,,, But I think we need more passion Come on These people are still asleep and need screamed at to wake up and see the truth for what it is!

[Aryslan]

I can't know, of course, but I think the reason he wore his jacket is so that he could flash his ribbons in the cops' faces, and make them listen to him...which he effectively did. Also, don't forget people, the reason he was yelling, is because he was witness to the cops beating innocent people whilst 'reigning in' the protestors. He was obviously unhappy about this. Once a marine, always a marine I've heard said.

[meredith]

I agree that his passion is needed and motivating. But as a Marine, he has discipline, and I'm not sure sure the fellow protesters around him have the same...all it would take is one overheated person to toss something at the cops, like a garbage can or a rock, and it's on. Cops would be all over innocent people in a flash. Exactly what the Marine was speaking against, and exactly what you DON'T want at a nonviolent protest, and exactly what the powers-that-be DO want so they can broadcast footage of angry mobs and discourage good people from joining in future protests.

Just a concern, that's all.

[Belle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItGnI6tP_jA

[Belle]

I believe the occupy movement has exposed the militarization of the police in America.

As a frequent protester in the late 60's, I can see clearly that over time police actions and attitudes toward the people has undergone a shift from one of keeping the peace to considering protesters as enemy combatants. (Yes, I'm an old flower child, not a hippy...there is a difference, but that is for another post on another thread at another time.)

The police in the town in which I live have always had a little too much testosterone, even the females, and were always heavy handed with people. Today it is so much worse. They wear their pants tucked in their boots military style, get in their kewl black and gold police cars with all the toys and guns and things gifted to them from military over-supply, and head out looking for trouble.

In my opinion the difference between Sgt. Thomas and the militarized police is that he had actual combat training and experience in a war zone...he knows war and has retained his honor through it. The police put on their riot gear as Clark Kent would put on his Superman outfit...it gives them a sense of power, entitlement and control. They have not been taught how to use it with honor, only with fear and intimidation. They have not been taught what it really means when they take their oath to protect and serve under the constitution. They have only been taught that they are the law and we are the enemy....and they fear us. It is this fear that causes them to over-react. It is why the protests must remain peaceful for change to occur.

I agree that their eyes appeared "dead", but they were looking and listening to Sgt. Thomas with respect.

[jack]

The cops are just doing their jobs at the end of the day. They fully believe that they are serving and protecting. In fairness to them, they are as much a victom of the brainwashing as everyone else, they dont fully understand why people are occupying wallstreet. Their superiors are probably telling them that these are just a bunch of deadbeats and hippies and things could turn violent.

At the end of the day the real changes will happen when people start changing themselves. If everyone aspires to be like buddha, jesus and all those other wonderful spiritual dudes then the vibrations they radiate will spread to others like wildfire.

A spiritually aware people who are fully at peace in the present cannot be controlled. The control relies on our fear to be effective, get rid of the fear and they will no longer be able to control us.

I'm gonna go occupy that peaceful place inside of me now =)

[jack]

It has always been my belief that at the end of the day most of our soldiers know the difference between right and wrong.

This man not only makes sense he actually embarrassed the officers! Awesome!

I take my hat off to him!

I'm sorry but anyone who goes over to Iraq and takes part of the indiscriminate slaughter of over a million people does not know the difference between right and wrong. He was brainwashed into believing that what he done was right, just the same as the police are brainwashed into thinking what they are doing is right. Violence begets more violence, it has always been that way and always will.

[RMorgan]

It has always been my belief that at the end of the day most of our soldiers know the difference between right and wrong.

This man not only makes sense he actually embarrassed the officers! Awesome!

I take my hat off to him!

I'm sorry but anyone who goes over to Iraq and takes part of the indiscriminate slaughter of over a million people does not know the difference between right and wrong. He was brainwashed into believing that what he done was right, just the same as the police are brainwashed into thinking what they are doing is right. Violence begets more violence, it has always been that way and always will.

Yeah...I think the soldier was yelling to himself, unconsciously. That´s one of the reasons he got so angry and emotive.

[jack]

It has always been my belief that at the end of the day most of our soldiers know the difference between right and wrong.

This man not only makes sense he actually embarrassed the officers! Awesome!

I take my hat off to him!

I'm sorry but anyone who goes over to Iraq and takes part of the indiscriminate slaughter of over a million people does not know the difference between right and wrong. He was brainwashed into believing that what he done was right, just the same as the police are brainwashed into thinking what they are doing is right. Violence begets more violence, it has always been that way and always will.

Yeah...I think the soldier was yelling to himself, unconsciously. That´s one of the reasons he got so angry and emotive.

We hate most in others that which we see in ourselves.

[Rozzy]

Funny none of those cops wanted a piece of that guy, LOL.

[transitionalman]

Thank you so much for this clip! I can't mention enough how amazing I FEEL when I come home from work to see videos like this. This man is venting his anger in a peaceful way. Yeah he raised his voice, but there's nothing but good energy here.

[learninglight]

It has always been my belief that at the end of the day most of our soldiers know the difference between right and wrong.

This man not only makes sense he actually embarrassed the officers! Awesome!

I take my hat off to him!


I'm sorry but anyone who goes over to Iraq and takes part of the indiscriminate slaughter of over a million people does not know the difference between right and wrong. He was brainwashed into believing that what he done was right, just the same as the police are brainwashed into thinking what they are doing is right. Violence begets more violence, it has always been that way and always will.

I agree with what you are saying here...
He is begining to see right from wrong from his own mindset... he has a long way to go yet, but imo he's on the right road and i take my hat off to him for having the balls to stand there and TELL them they are wrong, if it makes one of the police officers stop and think about their actions thats one more than befor he said anything.... people will wake up to whats going on when it hits them in the face personally

much love

[Maia Gabrial]

agree with everyone about his comment about hurting people in iraq. He seems to still be stuck in wanting to be a marine. its great and more people need to have his voice dnt get me wrong im not putting him down...but marines aren't allowed to wear their uniform in the civilian world. If you ever see a military member in uniform at the airport or ect it will never be a marine. He's wearing his jacket and introduced himself as sargent... though hes out of the marines and in college now? Why not go and speak like that as a civilian instead up putting up the front as a marine?

i understand im sure hes proud of his title and class which he did his time and earned it but why not go as a civilian?? just my thoughts. thanks for posting jacko

You got part of it, PixieDust. Marines are not allowed to wear their camouflage uniforms around town; just from base to home and vice versa. It's considered a working uniform. (The Army does whatever it wants to.) And if anyone is still on active duty, they definitely CAN'T wear part of the uniform like Sgt Thomas did around town or otherwise. So, he's definitely out of the service. It's illegal for any civilian to wear a FULL uniform (with rank and insignias) because that would be impersonating....
Since I've been out since '86, I'm not sure if the wearing of alphas off base (that's the dress uniform) has changed for security reasons.... Any Avalonian Marines willing to say?

[IndigoStar]

Keith Olbermann has interviewed the marine on tv now :)
What a great job he has done in helping to open the eyes of the cops and the people of the world!

e5_dZez-OTw

[Maia Gabrial]

Each arrestee demanding a jury trial, trial of their peers! I'm thinking that they know what they're doing. Take the power out of the hands of corrupt judges....Impressive!

[Belle]

Guess I wasn't the only one to notice the militarization of the police in Amerika...

http://www.alternet.org/world/152812/why_are_police_attacking_peaceful_protesters_how_ows_has_exposed_the_militarization_of_us_law_enforc ement/

[Carmody]

I believe the occupy movement has exposed the militarization of the police in America.

As a frequent protester in the late 60's, I can see clearly that over time police actions and attitudes toward the people has undergone a shift from one of keeping the peace to considering protesters as enemy combatants. (Yes, I'm an old flower child, not a hippy...there is a difference, but that is for another post on another thread at another time.)

The police in the town in which I live have always had a little too much testosterone, even the females, and were always heavy handed with people. Today it is so much worse. They wear their pants tucked in their boots military style, get in their kewl black and gold police cars with all the toys and guns and things gifted to them from military over-supply, and head out looking for trouble.

In my opinion the difference between Sgt. Thomas and the militarized police is that he had actual combat training and experience in a war zone...he knows war and has retained his honor through it. The police put on their riot gear as Clark Kent would put on his Superman outfit...it gives them a sense of power, entitlement and control. They have not been taught how to use it with honor, only with fear and intimidation. They have not been taught what it really means when they take their oath to protect and serve under the constitution. They have only been taught that they are the law and we are the enemy....and they fear us. It is this fear that causes them to over-react. It is why the protests must remain peaceful for change to occur.

I agree that their eyes appeared "dead", but they were looking and listening to Sgt. Thomas with respect.

the explaination of the militarization can be seen in a fairly clear way, with the viewing of two videos.

The american ruling Class:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/112523/the-american-ruling-class
(only viewable from the US unless you use a proxy)

and the BBC show 'century of the self'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyPzGUsYyKM

[Belle]

Look at what Sgt. Thomas started....

The following is an excerpt from an article about OccupyMarines (http://www.occupymarines.org). The full article can be found at http://www.politicususa.com/en/occupy-marines-nationwide.


"United States Marine Corps. Sergeant Shamar Thomas in a spectacular moment defended the protesters of Occupy Wall Street while staring into the faces of thirty NYPD officers, and now countless other Marines have organized in an amazing show of solidarity.

Sgt. Thomas’ gallant actions in standing up for American citizens being brutalized by the police were shown in a video which has gone viral with almost 2 million views. Marines have joined forces with #OccupyMarines in solidarity with the movement not just in New York, but nationwide:

“OccupyMARINES Are Currently Assessing The Current Situation To Ascertain What Is Currently Needed To Support OWS America. We Are Humbled At The Substantial Support OWS America Has Provided And Ask That Everyone Continue As You All Do While We Implement Organization Nationwide. As We All Know, ‘Occupy’ Groups Are Being Established Even Now And Would Like To See This Trend Continue.”

Their website OccupyMarines.org presents a post centering on continuing the Occupy movement throughout the upcoming winter. In their call for “Non-Active ‘Occupy’ Military Supporters Only” they’re organizing a dress code in order to identify their branch affiliation.

Instead of ostracizing the police, the Marines are attempting to reach out to them much like Sgt. Thomas did."

and a comment on the article found at http://www.whatreallyhappened.com...


"Most military I know are strict Constitutionalists. And contrary to the protestations of a neighbor who is the wife of a Marine officer, the military often does support the people against government. It happened in Iceland and Egypt, and more than a few of the men who fought for America's Independence were former British officers who could not support the King's abuse of the colonists."

[the trojan]

wonderful.
did you see those cops all looking at each other to see who would make the first move,and the odd one slowly circling and sniffing at him like dogs..
I dont have a problem with him shouting and yelling,its called Passion.
I deliver what i haveto say with passion about fifty per cent of the time and i get the same reaction,calm down,etc...
but thats okay for politicians and the like...
pure passion.
This will be an example to many others....
But what a bunch of cretins and true sheeple those cops are.

i have since been looking at some evidence of foul play,that may be occurring here....
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33013-quick-somebody-call-somebody-else---theres-something-going-on-----&p=337388#post337388