The problem with blanket Anti-Semitism

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The net is full of almost joyful Anti-Semitic rhetoric wherever the NWO or the central banking cartel is discussed. Whilst it is true that there is a large dynasty responsible for what can only be called "crimes against humanity", and they happen to be Jewish, why do otherwise rational people fall into the trap of using phrases like "the conspiracy of international Jewery"? Much of this rhetoric no doubt is propagated by the cartel themselves to marginalise the view that there is an agenda of world control. Most people, when reading about these important issues, immediately switch off as soon as the notion of a Jewish conspiracy is mentioned. The Holocaust gives no one licence to operate a homicidal, sociopathic agenda, but it does mean that if we wish to educate the masses about it, we should be a little circumspect.

And, yeah, most Jewish people are honest, decent, hard-working folk whose main failing in this context, like everyone's, is that they are susceptable to propaganda.

[Lord Sidious]

''Anti semitism'' is something that the Jewish elites invented many years ago.
Mainly to beat over the head of the ''little Jews'' but it is also effective against the rest of us too.
The irony is that the Jewish elites care not a jot for the ''little Jews'' but view them as expendable in the drive for world domination.

[Maia Gabrial]

It also means that people (non jews) have been and are still being screwed over by big AND little jews; so it doesn't matter which.

IF resenting and despising immoral things like lying, stealing, conniving and murdering people means anti-semitism, then I guess the majority of people are anti-semitic. If a big or little jew does these things, then they've committed immoral acts against humanity (and society) and should be punished. NO if's, and's or but's about it....These criminals should NOT have the JDL misuse their power and get them off. Or even citing that vile Talmud or using their Jewish Juris Prudence as their authority to get away with these acts. Make no mistake about it, we can make up ridiculous laws to counter them, too...
Who wouldn't want these immoral acts to be stopped? I think that using "Anti-Semitism" as an excuse to violate the rest of us, is getting old....

[Lord Sidious]

It also means that people (non jews) have been and are still being screwed over by big AND little jews; so it doesn't matter which.

IF resenting and despising immoral things like lying, stealing, conniving and murdering people means anti-semitism, then I guess the majority of people are anti-semitic. If a big or little jew does these things, then they've committed immoral acts against humanity (and society) and should be punished. NO if's, and's or but's about it....These criminals should NOT have the JDL misuse their power and get them off. Or even citing that vile Talmud or using their Jewish Juris Prudence as their authority to get away with these acts. Make no mistake about it, we can make up ridiculous laws to counter them, too...
Who wouldn't want these immoral acts to be stopped? I think that using "Anti-Semitism" as an excuse to violate the rest of us, is getting old....

Years ago, I hated jews.
One day, I realised I didn't hate jews, I hated bad jews.
Then I realised, I hated bad people.
I then figured that the mathmatical probability that all jews are bad, is the opposite of the probability that all white europeans are good.
Then I had a thought, what if there are no bad people, or good people?
That is when I lost the hate.

There are jews who have done things we consider bad, but then there are others doing the same thing too.

[conk]

We must make distinction among jews. It seems the jews who fit into the category defined by Maia are not really jews, but pretenders.

[Lord Sidious]

We must make distinction among jews. It seems the jews who fit into the category defined by Maia are not really jews, but pretenders.

Well, I don't really care.
I just see people.
People who can be hurt.
People who love their families.
People who love their ''pets'' and companions.
You see, I was sent to you guys to show you these things, but I had to taste it first.
I don't like the taste anymore.

[Rocky1]

I always find posts like these to be fascinating. The Jews are always singled out. Does this mean that Yasser Arafat was Jewish, since he died with over a billion dollars in accounts all over the world while the Palestineans were starving. I guess Momar Khadafi is Jewish since he is similarly worth billions of dollars while the youth in his country revolted based on an inability to get jobs. I guess that Hosni Mubarack was Jewish, although I think he was only worth about 30 million. How about the Saudi prince and the rulers of every other mideastern country. I guess they are all Jewish too. I was not aware that the Queen of England was Jewish, or Warren Buffet, or Bill Gates. The list goes on and on. The leaders of oil producing countries all seem to have amassed great fortunres for themselves while their populations live below average existences. I guess that is the Jews' fault as well.

As Lord Sideous suggested, there are bad people everywhere. However the Jews seem to be the only ones that are blamed for the misfortunes of others, although they are unwilling to blame others for their misfortunes while they continue to improve their surroundings wherever they live. Look what they have done in the past 60 years in the same desert that others have lived for hundreds or thousands of years. They stress education and as a result have good positions. They become doctors, lawyers, financial advisers, business owners - all jobs that others can have if they work hard.

If you want to discuss lying, stealing, conniving and murdering people look around and show me a country where this does ot occur. Ask the citizens of Uganda, Yeman, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and many other coutries around the world. that does not suffer from this. Just ask people all over the world about the Catholic Church and their land and financial holdings. I guess that is the Jews fault as well.

Israel is nothing more than a scapegoat for the world's problems. Please let me know of any other country that has offered to take in the Palestineans. Meanwhile, most of them are able to live in peace with the Jews in communities where they both reside. They work together, live together, and protect each other. As I've said in other posts, if the Arabs would lay down their arms, there would be peace in the Middle East. If the Jews were to lay down their arms, there would be no Israel.

As you have just seen, the Jews are willing to give up 1000 prisoners to save one life - the Arabs have been willing to pay $25,000 to have their men, women and children strap bombs to themselves to kill as many Jews as they can. If you want to talk about crimes against humanity you can start there.

[Lord Sidious]

I always find posts like these to be fascinating. The Jews are always singled out. Does this mean that Yasser Arafat was Jewish, since he died with over a billion dollars in accounts all over the world while the Palestineans were starving. I guess Momar Khadafi is Jewish since he is similarly worth billions of dollars while the youth in his country revolted based on an inability to get jobs. I guess that Hosni Mubarack was Jewish, although I think he was only worth about 30 million. How about the Saudi prince and the rulers of every other mideastern country. I guess they are all Jewish too. I was not aware that the Queen of England was Jewish, or Warren Buffet, or Bill Gates. The list goes on and on. The leaders of oil producing countries all seem to have amassed great fortunres for themselves while their populations live below average existences. I guess that is the Jews' fault as well.

As Lord Sideous suggested, there are bad people everywhere. However the Jews seem to be the only ones that are blamed for the misfortunes of others, although they are unwilling to blame others for their misfortunes while they continue to improve their surroundings wherever they live. Look what they have done in the past 60 years in the same desert that others have lived for hundreds or thousands of years. They stress education and as a result have good positions. They become doctors, lawyers, financial advisers, business owners - all jobs that others can have if they work hard.

If you want to discuss lying, stealing, conniving and murdering people look around and show me a country where this does ot occur. Ask the citizens of Uganda, Yeman, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and many other coutries around the world. that does not suffer from this. Just ask people all over the world about the Catholic Church and their land and financial holdings. I guess that is the Jews fault as well.

Israel is nothing more than a scapegoat for the world's problems. Please let me know of any other country that has offered to take in the Palestineans. Meanwhile, most of them are able to live in peace with the Jews in communities where they both reside. They work together, live together, and protect each other. As I've said in other posts, if the Arabs would lay down their arms, there would be peace in the Middle East. If the Jews were to lay down their arms, there would be no Israel.

As you have just seen, the Jews are willing to give up 1000 prisoners to save one life - the Arabs have been willing to pay $25,000 to have their men, women and children strap bombs to themselves to kill as many Jews as they can. If you want to talk about crimes against humanity you can start there.

Be careful speaking of people that you know nothing of.
Muammar Qaddafi is technically jewish!
As was Osama Bin Laden.
They both have/had jewish mothers.
http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2011/02/you-wont-believe-this-gadhafis-mother.html
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/142593#.Tp7slG9EN8E

I would also caution you against taking sides.
There are no sides, only people being herded, much like cattle.
To say that either the Israelis or the Arabs are x and the other side is y, is not only simplistic and wrong, but asking for big trouble.
This is a derivative of the judgement function, itself coming from ego.
I gave this up once I found out what it was, my advice to all is to study what it is you REALLY are irritated by, not what you THINK you are irritated by.
There are people on both ''sides'' that are doing and have done things we would normally refer to as ''bad'' and therefore want to stop.
There is not one group on this earth right now that is uncorrupted, I care not what example you attempt to find me and I challenge you all to find one, just one group.
I tell you all, that I embrace ALL people who mean well, think well and try to do well as my brothers and sisters.

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Well, I don't really care.
I just see people.
People who can be hurt.
People who love their families.
People who love their ''pets'' and companions.
You see, I was sent to you guys to show you these things, but I had to taste it first.
I don't like the taste anymore.

There really is nothing more to be said. Thank you.

[Maia Gabrial]

We must make distinction among jews. It seems the jews who fit into the category defined by Maia are not really jews, but pretenders.
Well, I don't really care.
I just see people.
People who can be hurt.
People who love their families.
People who love their ''pets'' and companions.
You see, I was sent to you guys to show you these things, but I had to taste it first.
I don't like the taste anymore.

Nice words, LS. But what are the chances that they feel the same for us? If they're being taught to live by the Talmud....enough said.

However, I give everyone the benefit of the doubt. I don't like to hate anyone....When something is unfair or wrong, I really struggle with it, though.... And anger and hatred are emotions, I don't want to carry with me into a next lifetime....

[modwiz]

We must make distinction among jews. It seems the jews who fit into the category defined by Maia are not really jews, but pretenders.
Well, I don't really care.
I just see people.
People who can be hurt.
People who love their families.
People who love their ''pets'' and companions.
You see, I was sent to you guys to show you these things, but I had to taste it first.
I don't like the taste anymore.

Nice words, LS. But what are the chances that they feel the same for us? If they're being taught to live by the Talmud....enough said.

However, I give everyone the benefit of the doubt. I don't like to hate anyone....When something is unfair or wrong, I really struggle with it, though.... And anger and hatred are emotions, I don't want to carry with me into a next lifetime....

Maia, reading or knowing about much that is in the Talmud is enough to make any gentile see red and rightfully so. It is good that many of us are now discovering what rabbis, in their intellectually incestuousness seclusion, have wrought over the centuries. It is a poison to be sure. They, the rabbis, are the controllers and gatekeepers of a very small group of humanity. They have been conspiring to keep their tribe as secluded and unrelated to the rest of humanity since the Babylonian captivity with a concerted effort. They have succeeded in many ways, but it is a losing game for them. It is getting harder for them to obfuscate that we are all one people, one humanity. They will lose and are losing.

I have Jewish friends I love and adore. They have done things for me in my life that few would have done. Generosities of emotion, spirit and money. All for the pleasure of my company and the goodness of their hearts. I would take a bullet for these people.

I am not sure if we could have an easy conversation about Israel, zionism and the other hot button topics between Jews and the rest of the world. They have had a mindset programmed into them since birth and it is their path to unravel it as it is ours to deal with our programming, and rage.

It is good that light is being shone into dark corners. Lets us not fall into the category of those, who like Jack Nicholson said of in a Few Good Men, "You can't handle the truth".

With the naked truth comes a responsibility to employ wisdom. This wisdom can only come from our hearts.

Enough said?

[Maia Gabrial]

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)

We must make distinction among jews. It seems the jews who fit into the category defined by Maia are not really jews, but pretenders.
Well, I don't really care.
I just see people.
People who can be hurt.
People who love their families.
People who love their ''pets'' and companions.
You see, I was sent to you guys to show you these things, but I had to taste it first.
I don't like the taste anymore.
Nice words, LS. But what are the chances that they feel the same for us? If they're being taught to live by the Talmud....enough said.

However, I give everyone the benefit of the doubt. I don't like to hate anyone....When something is unfair or wrong, I really struggle with it, though.... And anger and hatred are emotions, I don't want to carry with me into a next lifetime....
Maia, reading or knowing about much that is in the Talmud is enough to make any gentile see red and rightfully so. It is good that many of us are now discovering what rabbis, in their intellectually incestuousness seclusion, have wrought over the centuries. It is a poison to be sure. They, the rabbis, are the controllers and gatekeepers of a very small group of humanity. They have been conspiring to keep their tribe as secluded and unrelated to the rest of humanity since the Babylonian captivity. They have succeeded in many ways, but it is a losing game for them. It is getting harder for them to obfuscate that we are all one people, one humanity. They will lose and are losing.

I have Jewish friends I love and adore. They have done things for me in my life that few would have done. Generosities of emotion, spirit and money. All for the pleasure of my company and the goodness of their hearts. I would take a bullet for these people.

I am not sure if we could have an easy conversation about Israel, zionism and the other hot button topics between Jews and the rest of the world. They have had a mindset programmed into them since birth and it is their path to unravel it as it is ours to deal with our programming, and rage.

It is good that light is being shone into dark corners. Lets us not fall into the category of those, who like Jack Nicholson said in a Few Good Men, "You can't handle the truth".

With the naked truth comes a responsibility to employ wisdom. This wisdom can only come from our hearts.

Enough said?

One thing I discovered was that many jews are forced to follow the Talmud or it's death for them. That's pretty pathetic when you think about it. Many jews may not even want to follow the Talmud, but have no choice.... I'm sure that your friends and a few of my own would love to be freed from the madness, and provoked violence and hatred once and for all....
I don't know about anyone else, but the word "PEACE" right now would be like chugging a whole jug of water and quenching a parched throat.... I'm thirsty. How about you all?

[enfoldedblue]

It makes me sad whenever I see racists; especially when they are people who seem otherwise intelligent and aware. I am not Jewish (It is sad that I even have to state this in order to feel that I will not be immediately rejected by the above poster), but many of my friends are Jewish and it makes me really sad to see them being lumped in with the powerful elite pigs who don’t care about anyone else. Below the ranks of the elite there should be no ‘us and them’. The Elite love to fuel racism as divide and conquer is one of their favourite tactics. To think that someone could be labelled bad or good based solely on their heritage is pure ignorance. In all races and creeds there are loving, beautiful , wise people....and absolute #*#%heads. If we have any hope of overcoming our oppressors we need to move beyond fear and connect with our hearts. Our hearts don’t see race or creed, our hearts see only people.

LOVE ALLways, c

[modwiz]

It makes me sad whenever I see racists; especially when they are people who seem otherwise intelligent and aware. I am not Jewish (It is sad that I even have to state this in order to feel that I will not be immediately rejected by the above poster), but many of my friends are Jewish and it makes me really sad to see them being lumped in with the powerful elite pigs who don’t care about anyone else. Below the ranks of the elite there should be no ‘us and them’. The Elite love to fuel racism as divide and conquer is one of their favourite tactics. To think that someone could be labelled bad or good based solely on their heritage is pure ignorance. In all races and creeds there are loving, beautiful , wise people....and absolute #*#%heads. If we have any hope of overcoming our oppressors we need to move beyond fear and connect with our hearts. Our hearts don’t see race or creed, our hearts see only people.

LOVE ALLways, c

We are all getting to a better place. This forum has allowed people on both sides of this purposely created 'argument' find a safe place to state where they are stuck in their programming. There has been much accomplished and it reflects well on us that growth and wisdom is the rule rather than the exception. The strident voices that can find no peace because of being stuck somewhere in their own woundedness do not last here. Even some who have left have grown other places/forums. The good work is being done. In this small corner of the net and at our sister sites important work is being accomplished. If the state of our hearts is the true measure of success, we are doing an amazing job.

[Sierra]

IF resenting and despising immoral things like lying, stealing, conniving and murdering people means anti-semitism, then I guess the majority of people are anti-semitic.

No.

Semitism has nothing to do with lying, stealing, conniving and murdering. It has to do with race.

Don't fall for the BS from the Rulers of the World.

Why focus on hatred? On old hatreds? On old Rulers of the World propaganda? Why fall for it? And why feed it with your energy? If most people are anti-Semitic as you seem to think (and I firmly and confidently disagree), we are very doomed.

If we sit around putting out hatred, guess what is going to get attracted to us ... Those who expound hatred, damage those around them in the energetic projection and reception of hatred. Hate hurts. Hate kills. Hate murders. Not races.

Only when we personally take responsibility for our own shadow selves, will the world change.

I begin to believe only compassion will open up the timeline I want.

Just my opinion.

[Sierra]

Dagnabbit, I SWEAR I don't close these threads on purpose! I apologize for the delay, please continue the dialogue ...

[Lord Sidious]

We must make distinction among jews. It seems the jews who fit into the category defined by Maia are not really jews, but pretenders.
Well, I don't really care.
I just see people.
People who can be hurt.
People who love their families.
People who love their ''pets'' and companions.
You see, I was sent to you guys to show you these things, but I had to taste it first.
I don't like the taste anymore.

Nice words, LS. But what are the chances that they feel the same for us? If they're being taught to live by the Talmud....enough said.

However, I give everyone the benefit of the doubt. I don't like to hate anyone....When something is unfair or wrong, I really struggle with it, though.... And anger and hatred are emotions, I don't want to carry with me into a next lifetime....

Most of ''the jews'' don't know anything of the talmud, that is what the rabbis and yeshiva students learn.
So, attributing that to all of them is like saying that all of the catholics know and approve of the child abuse of the church.
I agree totally with your last paragraph and I would advise you to do whatever you need to do to release those feelings.
When I realised that it wasn't jews that I hated, I had a HUGE energy shift that I felt in real time.




I have Jewish friends I love and adore. They have done things for me in my life that few would have done. Generosities of emotion, spirit and money. All for the pleasure of my company and the goodness of their hearts. I would take a bullet for these people.

I am not sure if we could have an easy conversation about Israel, zionism and the other hot button topics between Jews and the rest of the world. They have had a mindset programmed into them since birth and it is their path to unravel it as it is ours to deal with our programming, and rage.

It is good that light is being shone into dark corners. Lets us not fall into the category of those, who like Jack Nicholson said of in a Few Good Men, "You can't handle the truth".

With the naked truth comes a responsibility to employ wisdom. This wisdom can only come from our hearts.

Enough said?

Good ol Modwiz.
My brother from a different mother. Yet again, I find you posting words that could have come from my keyboard.
I too have people that some would call jewish that I care deeply about.
And I would shed my own blood to protect them.



I don't know about anyone else, but the word "PEACE" right now would be like chugging a whole jug of water and quenching a parched throat.... I'm thirsty. How about you all?

Like I said, I don't like the taste anymore, so some nice, cool water will help to wash the residue of that away.
Forever.
As for peace, I am all for it.


It makes me sad whenever I see racists; especially when they are people who seem otherwise intelligent and aware. I am not Jewish (It is sad that I even have to state this in order to feel that I will not be immediately rejected by the above poster), but many of my friends are Jewish and it makes me really sad to see them being lumped in with the powerful elite pigs who don’t care about anyone else. Below the ranks of the elite there should be no ‘us and them’. The Elite love to fuel racism as divide and conquer is one of their favourite tactics. To think that someone could be labelled bad or good based solely on their heritage is pure ignorance. In all races and creeds there are loving, beautiful , wise people....and absolute #*#%heads. If we have any hope of overcoming our oppressors we need to move beyond fear and connect with our hearts. Our hearts don’t see race or creed, our hearts see only people.

LOVE ALLways, c

I wouldn't say that the posters in this thread are ''racists'' and I should know, I spent a lot of time amongst the real thing.
I know the current Grand Wizard/National Director of the Ku Klux Klan and his two predecessors and they would know me by name.
I think the people in this thread are searching for more info to see whether what they believe is accurate or not.
Other than that, not only do I agree with the rest of your post, I endorse it.



We are all getting to a better place. This forum has allowed people on both sides of this purposely created 'argument' find a safe place to state where they are stuck in their programming. There has been much accomplished and it reflects well on us that growth and wisdom is the rule rather than the exception. The strident voices that can find no peace because of being stuck somewhere in their own woundedness do not last here. Even some who have left have grown other places/forums. The good work is being done. In this small corner of the net and at our sister sites important work is being accomplished. If the state of our hearts is the true measure of success, we are doing an amazing job.

Damn, you have one hell of a telescopic sight Mod.
You nailed it again.
I am proud to call you my brother and I can't wait for the day we can sit and talk over a nice meal.


Dagnabbit, I SWEAR I don't close these threads on purpose! I apologize for the delay, please continue the dialogue ...

I think most people here know that already.

[GCS1103]

Lord Sid-

You are a very wise man, who I am lucky enough to call my friend. I suspect you know more about the Talmud than me. I have never read it, don't intend to and don't know anyone else who has. The Talmud is studied and read by religious students and rabbis, as you said. The average Jew, and even orthodox Jews have never read the Talmud. It is not the Bible; it is opinions and interpretations by old rabbis and religious thinkers and is NOT the law. The 513 laws for the Jews are enumerated in the Old Testament. The laws are not set forth or established in the Talmud.

I don't know any Jew who is forced to read the Talmud on pain of death, let alone "many Jews". Where does the poster get this information from?

[enfoldedblue]

It makes me sad whenever I see racists; especially when they are people who seem otherwise intelligent and aware. I am not Jewish (It is sad that I even have to state this in order to feel that I will not be immediately rejected by the above poster), but many of my friends are Jewish and it makes me really sad to see them being lumped in with the powerful elite pigs who don’t care about anyone else. Below the ranks of the elite there should be no ‘us and them’. The Elite love to fuel racism as divide and conquer is one of their favourite tactics. To think that someone could be labelled bad or good based solely on their heritage is pure ignorance. In all races and creeds there are loving, beautiful , wise people....and absolute #*#%heads. If we have any hope of overcoming our oppressors we need to move beyond fear and connect with our hearts. Our hearts don’t see race or creed, our hearts see only people.

LOVE ALLways, c

I wouldn't say that the posters in this thread are ''racists'' and I should know, I spent a lot of time amongst the real thing.
I know the current Grand Wizard/National Director of the Ku Klux Klan and his two predecessors and they would know me by name.
I think the people in this thread are searching for more info to see whether what they believe is accurate or not.
Other than that, not only do I agree with the rest of your post, I endorse it.



While in truth the discussion here is really about ethnicity and not race, I personally see little difference between someone who rejects an entire group of people based on skin color and people who reject an entire group of people based on cultural heritage. I know the term ‘racist’ is not looked well-upon, but honestly how can the following be seen as anything but:
“IF resenting and despising immoral things like lying, stealing, conniving and murdering people means anti-semitism, then I guess the majority of people are anti-semitic”
And while someone who talks about hating a group of people based on their culture may not be as bad as someone who physically attacks someone for the same reason, it is still racist.
I personally take offence at the statements that were posted here and I believe that for some they could be very hurtful as well. Comments like those made here could make some people feel very unwelcome.
I’m all for exploring ideas, and I certainly wouldn’t advocate removal of any comments, but in the name of fairness and balance, I too will call things as I see them.

LOVE ALLways, c

[Lord Sidious]

Lord Sid-

You are a very wise man, who I am lucky enough to call my friend. I suspect you know more about the Talmud than me. I have never read it, don't intend to and don't know anyone else who has. The Talmud is studied and read by religious students and rabbis, as you said. The average Jew, and even orthodox Jews have never read the Talmud. It is not the Bible; it is opinions and interpretations by old rabbis and religious thinkers and is NOT the law. The 513 laws for the Jews are enumerated in the Old Testament. The laws are not set forth or established in the Talmud.

I don't know any Jew who is forced to read the Talmud on pain of death, let alone "many Jews". Where does the poster get this information from?

Well, I thought that you honoured me by being my friend, to be honest.
The talmud is what jesus allegedly referred to in the new testament as the oral traditions of moses, as they were never written down till about 100+ years after he died.

[music]

Above all else, this may be a matter of discernment. Some have cultivated it, some have not. But that is deserving of its very own discussion.

Within every tradition, there are writings that most within that tradition don't even understand, let alone those outside that tradition. What we personally find in the great holy writings is dependent on many things. If we read in the original language, our understanding of that language obviously matters. Next is the translation, and once we enter the realm of the esoteric, which is where all truly great religious writing leads, the temperment of the translator also comes into play. If the translator has done their job properly, we are left with a text that offers more questions than answers. We may decide to opt for any one of a number of commentaries on the text, many of which are translations themselves. Most of all, if we have not cultivated the beauty and the poetic within ourselves, we can only ever penetrate the great works shallowly, if at all. If we have never accessed our own higher consciousness, likewise, we will not be able to fully penetrate to the nub of the work.

Never take your impression of what exists within a sacred text from the internet. If you intend to comment in public about the meaning or intent of a sacred text, take the time to read and understand the text yourself, after doing the requisite internal work for understanding it first, of course. Otherwise, reference those who have.

Someone noted that this was a "created arguement". Not so. The third time I read an anti-Semitic comment on here (after being a member for 1 day!), I was compelled to write the post. When I say compelled, I mean maybe told without words, and I have learned to obey the inner voice. As it turns out, there was a need.

It is my heartfelt desire that some erroneous perceptions have begun the process of transformation under the Love that has also been shown here.

[Rocky1]

Lord Sideous -

While I agree conceptually with what you say, historically Jews have been singled out more than any other group I can think of. Not always without good reason. I absolutely agree with you that there are good and bad people of all nations, faiths, and cultures. However I similarly challenge you to find a nation that has endured more injustice than the Jews. The Catholic Church taught how the Jews were responsbile for the death of Jesus.until the mid 1900s. Shakespear wrote about them hundreds of years ago. Hitler sought their extinction as do other groups today.

I am truly one of the most tolerant people I know. I do not pre-judge anyone before they have been given the opportunity to disappoint me. I give people the "benefit of the doubt". I was once told that if you think the worst about people you will be right at least 70% of the time. I always chose to believe that I would be wrong 30% of the time Sadly the 70% has proven more accurate.

I have always believed that everyone, if given the opportunity, could provide a compelling story about their lives, from their perspectives, if people would only spend the time to listen. From the biggest "nerd" to the mort popular person in school, there is an interesting life behind the person. You could make a Broadway show out of anyone's life story.

All that being said, people "use" Jews as an excuse for the "ills" of the world more than any other group. It is easier to blame others for your own problems. I wish that everyone could be more tolerant of people of other faiths and cultures.

You are an exceptional person in having overcome prior prejudices after reviewing the facts. You have "taken the time to listen", not just about the Jews, but about people in general. Sadly most people either don't have the time, or the desire, to do so.

Respectfully,

Rocky1

[Lord Sidious]

Lord Sideous -

While I agree conceptually with what you say, historically Jews have been singled out more than any other group I can think of. Not always without good reason. I absolutely agree with you that there are good and bad people of all nations, faiths, and cultures. However I similarly challenge you to find a nation that has endured more injustice than the Jews. The Catholic Church taught how the Jews were responsbile for the death of Jesus.until the mid 1900s. Shakespear wrote about them hundreds of years ago. Hitler sought their extinction as do other groups today.

I am truly one of the most tolerant people I know. I do not pre-judge anyone before they have been given the opportunity to disappoint me. I give people the "benefit of the doubt". I was once told that if you think the worst about people you will be right at least 70% of the time. I always chose to believe that I would be wrong 30% of the time Sadly the 70% has proven more accurate.

I have always believed that everyone, if given the opportunity, could provide a compelling story about their lives, from their perspectives, if people would only spend the time to listen. From the biggest "nerd" to the mort popular person in school, there is an interesting life behind the person. You could make a Broadway show out of anyone's life story.

All that being said, people "use" Jews as an excuse for the "ills" of the world more than any other group. It is easier to blame others for your own problems. I wish that everyone could be more tolerant of people of other faiths and cultures.

You are an exceptional person in having overcome prior prejudices after reviewing the facts. You have "taken the time to listen", not just about the Jews, but about people in general. Sadly most people either don't have the time, or the desire, to do so.

Respectfully,

Rocky1

I would say this to you, I have no interest in comparing who is more persecuted.
The reason being, is that then we get into a contest, which I suggest is in very bad taste.
I am interested in how we move forward and not what tethers us in place.

[Curt]

We are all getting to a better place. This forum has allowed people on both sides of this purposely created 'argument' find a safe place to state where they are stuck in their programming. There has been much accomplished and it reflects well on us that growth and wisdom is the rule rather than the exception. The strident voices that can find no peace because of being stuck somewhere in their own woundedness do not last here. Even some who have left have grown other places/forums. The good work is being done. In this small corner of the net and at our sister sites important work is being accomplished. If the state of our hearts is the true measure of success, we are doing an amazing job.

Dude.... Well said. :thumb:

[Guest]

It makes me sad whenever I see racists; especially when they are people who seem otherwise intelligent and aware. I am not Jewish (It is sad that I even have to state this in order to feel that I will not be immediately rejected by the above poster), but many of my friends are Jewish and it makes me really sad to see them being lumped in with the powerful elite pigs who don’t care about anyone else. Below the ranks of the elite there should be no ‘us and them’. The Elite love to fuel racism as divide and conquer is one of their favourite tactics. To think that someone could be labelled bad or good based solely on their heritage is pure ignorance. In all races and creeds there are loving, beautiful , wise people....and absolute #*#%heads. If we have any hope of overcoming our oppressors we need to move beyond fear and connect with our hearts. Our hearts don’t see race or creed, our hearts see only people.

LOVE ALLways, c

Thank you Enfoldedblue and what a strong and beautiful heart you have. And thank you for not believing the Lie and for en-forcing Love

I have had my day with deprogramming my own self. I grew up near where the head of the KKK in the western US lived. There wasn't any tattoos of swastikas or other racial tattoos. They owned suits and started large corporations. I did not know they a were KKK. Sometimes rode to school with their children. No words were ever spoken of hate.... only people of certain ethnicity or cultural backgrounds were not acknowledged or discussed of ever and treated as non-entities.... I was about 13 when I realized what was going on -I never let on I knew who they were -took me a few years to deprogram and become sensitized.

I had dear friend and teacher who was Jewish..... one of the most endearing and Soulful men I have ever known. He was a psychologist during the Vietnam war responsible for doing psych evaluations for soldiers to see if they were stable enough to do another tour of duty.... he sometimes would cry and say those boys..... His family was from Poland came here during the turn of 1900's he doesn't even know his real name the immigration officer couldn't say or spell his families' name they were given a Germanic name. We had a great friendship there was never any political correctness -just 2 souls trying to make it in the world and laugh we laughed a lot.

Nora

we are all related

[Maia Gabrial]

Re: The problem with blanket Anti-Semitism
It makes me sad whenever I see racists; especially when they are people who seem otherwise intelligent and aware. I am not Jewish (It is sad that I even have to state this in order to feel that I will not be immediately rejected by the above poster), but many of my friends are Jewish and it makes me really sad to see them being lumped in with the powerful elite pigs who don’t care about anyone else. Below the ranks of the elite there should be no ‘us and them’. The Elite love to fuel racism as divide and conquer is one of their favourite tactics. To think that someone could be labelled bad or good based solely on their heritage is pure ignorance. In all races and creeds there are loving, beautiful , wise people....and absolute #*#%heads. If we have any hope of overcoming our oppressors we need to move beyond fear and connect with our hearts. Our hearts don’t see race or creed, our hearts see only people.

LOVE ALLways, c

I wasn't going to respond to your post, but after thinking about it, I have to....

First off, you've thrown "racism" out there the way the jews throw around "anti-semitism"....

Secondly, since when did Judaism become a RACE? It is NOT a race, contrary to what zionists want people to believe. It's a RELIGION.... No racism involved. If this is the case, then why isn't Islam a race, too? Or Buddhism or Hinduism?

The point I was trying to make is that so much has been done by zionists AND jews the world over. It's not just the elites.... When they're caught doing illegal things, that's when the "anti-semitism" gets thrown about. They know they've done wrong and yet they want to beat the wrap. According to their Talmud, they can do their worst to us and it's even commanded because they regard all of us as if we're NOTHING. They can even kill us. But I don't imagine that you know this....Will your friends admit that to you, if you asked them....?

Let me tell you a true story about a Palestinian man who was trying to work his land so that his family had something when he passed on. This man was very skilled with the land so it looked beautiful and bountiful. The first time the jewish soldiers came and took his land away from him. By order of their govt, of course. This lovely Palestinian man wasn't deterred by this outright theft of his property. So, he went and worked another piece of land and did the same thing. This time, when the jewish soldiers came, he told them that he forgave them and that he loved them. Know what his response was? A bullet in the head....That was NOT a zionist pig who did this.... And I've had American friends going to Israel to be with other jews. One of them came back so thoroughly disgusted by what he'd seen over there. Again, these were not zionist pigs either....

And did you know that the State Department has given Mossad and the Shinbet their blessings to come into the US anytime they want, unhindered; and have permission to kidnap American citizens? I didn't know this either until recently....Who makes up Mossad and the Shinbet? jews.... Who's going around to other countries and causing "a little trouble" like setting off explosives as a message to those govts and their people?

If we all can live in peace and harmony with each other, why can't they? Ask yourself, why are they doing these things? Why do they think we're nothing but "goyem"?

[GCS1103]

Re: The problem with blanket Anti-Semitism
It makes me sad whenever I see racists; especially when they are people who seem otherwise intelligent and aware. I am not Jewish (It is sad that I even have to state this in order to feel that I will not be immediately rejected by the above poster), but many of my friends are Jewish and it makes me really sad to see them being lumped in with the powerful elite pigs who don’t care about anyone else. Below the ranks of the elite there should be no ‘us and them’. The Elite love to fuel racism as divide and conquer is one of their favourite tactics. To think that someone could be labelled bad or good based solely on their heritage is pure ignorance. In all races and creeds there are loving, beautiful , wise people....and absolute #*#%heads. If we have any hope of overcoming our oppressors we need to move beyond fear and connect with our hearts. Our hearts don’t see race or creed, our hearts see only people.

LOVE ALLways, c

I wasn't going to respond to your post, but after thinking about it, I have to....

First off, you've thrown "racism" out there the way the jews throw around "anti-semitism"....

Secondly, since when did Judaism become a RACE? It is NOT a race, contrary to what zionists want people to believe. It's a RELIGION.... No racism involved. If this is the case, then why isn't Islam a race, too? Or Buddhism or Hinduism?

The point I was trying to make is that so much has been done by zionists AND jews the world over. It's not just the elites.... When they're caught doing illegal things, that's when the "anti-semitism" gets thrown about. They know they've done wrong and yet they want to beat the wrap. According to their Talmud, they can do their worst to us and it's even commanded because they regard all of us as if we're NOTHING. They can even kill us. But I don't imagine that you know this....Will your friends admit that to you, if you asked them....?

Let me tell you a true story about a Palestinian man who was trying to work his land so that his family had something when he passed on. This man was very skilled with the land so it looked beautiful and bountiful. The first time the jewish soldiers came and took his land away from him. By order of their govt, of course. This lovely Palestinian man wasn't deterred by this outright theft of his property. So, he went and worked another piece of land and did the same thing. This time, when the jewish soldiers came, he told them that he forgave them and that he loved them. Know what his response was? A bullet in the head....That was NOT a zionist pig who did this.... And I've had American friends going to Israel to be with other jews. One of them came back so thoroughly disgusted by what he'd seen over there. Again, these were not zionist pigs either....

And did you know that the State Department has given Mossad and the Shinbet their blessings to come into the US anytime they want, unhindered; and have permission to kidnap American citizens? I didn't know this either until recently....Who makes up Mossad and the Shinbet? jews.... Who's going around to other countries and causing "a little trouble" like setting off explosives as a message to those govts and their people?

If we all can live in peace and harmony with each other, why can't they? Ask yourself, why are they doing these things? Why do they think we're nothing but "goyem"?

I'm sure you won't read my response, as I am guessing you "ignore" anything I post. However, I want to say that I feel very sorry that you carry around such strong feelings against Jews. It must be a burden to live with these intense emotions. I have found that negativity and hate in a human being prevents us from doing more productive things with our lives. It stops us from focusing on the "good" and from adding our love and positive energy to society, as a whole.

To relate a story as you have done and then equate the entire population of Jews (such as me) to the evil of what happened to this man, is a terrible indictment on us. We can point to evil misdeeds in all groups. I hope one day you find peace in your life and I hope very much that other members are able to see that not all of us "Jews" are evil, elite, and black-hearted. I'm just a person, like you, and everyone else on this forum, and to lump me into a group that you obviously see as horrific beings, is outrageous.

[Lord Sidious]

Re: The problem with blanket Anti-Semitism
It makes me sad whenever I see racists; especially when they are people who seem otherwise intelligent and aware. I am not Jewish (It is sad that I even have to state this in order to feel that I will not be immediately rejected by the above poster), but many of my friends are Jewish and it makes me really sad to see them being lumped in with the powerful elite pigs who don’t care about anyone else. Below the ranks of the elite there should be no ‘us and them’. The Elite love to fuel racism as divide and conquer is one of their favourite tactics. To think that someone could be labelled bad or good based solely on their heritage is pure ignorance. In all races and creeds there are loving, beautiful , wise people....and absolute #*#%heads. If we have any hope of overcoming our oppressors we need to move beyond fear and connect with our hearts. Our hearts don’t see race or creed, our hearts see only people.

LOVE ALLways, c

I wasn't going to respond to your post, but after thinking about it, I have to....

First off, you've thrown "racism" out there the way the jews throw around "anti-semitism"....

Secondly, since when did Judaism become a RACE? It is NOT a race, contrary to what zionists want people to believe. It's a RELIGION.... No racism involved. If this is the case, then why isn't Islam a race, too? Or Buddhism or Hinduism?

The point I was trying to make is that so much has been done by zionists AND jews the world over. It's not just the elites.... When they're caught doing illegal things, that's when the "anti-semitism" gets thrown about. They know they've done wrong and yet they want to beat the wrap. According to their Talmud, they can do their worst to us and it's even commanded because they regard all of us as if we're NOTHING. They can even kill us. But I don't imagine that you know this....Will your friends admit that to you, if you asked them....?

Let me tell you a true story about a Palestinian man who was trying to work his land so that his family had something when he passed on. This man was very skilled with the land so it looked beautiful and bountiful. The first time the jewish soldiers came and took his land away from him. By order of their govt, of course. This lovely Palestinian man wasn't deterred by this outright theft of his property. So, he went and worked another piece of land and did the same thing. This time, when the jewish soldiers came, he told them that he forgave them and that he loved them. Know what his response was? A bullet in the head....That was NOT a zionist pig who did this.... And I've had American friends going to Israel to be with other jews. One of them came back so thoroughly disgusted by what he'd seen over there. Again, these were not zionist pigs either....

And did you know that the State Department has given Mossad and the Shinbet their blessings to come into the US anytime they want, unhindered; and have permission to kidnap American citizens? I didn't know this either until recently....Who makes up Mossad and the Shinbet? jews.... Who's going around to other countries and causing "a little trouble" like setting off explosives as a message to those govts and their people?

If we all can live in peace and harmony with each other, why can't they? Ask yourself, why are they doing these things? Why do they think we're nothing but "goyem"?

I'm sure you won't read my response, as I am guessing you "ignore" anything I post. However, I want to say that I feel very sorry that you carry around such strong feelings against Jews. It must be a burden to live with these intense emotions. I have found that negativity and hate in a human being prevents us from doing more productive things with our lives. It stops us from focusing on the "good" and from adding our love and positive energy to society, as a whole.

To relate a story as you have done and then equate the entire population of Jews (such as me) to the evil of what happened to this man, is a terrible indictment on us. We can point to evil misdeeds in all groups. I hope one day you find peace in your life and I hope very much that other members are able to see that not all of us "Jews" are evil, elite, and black-hearted. I'm just a person, like you, and everyone else on this forum, and to lump me into a group that you obviously see as horrific beings, is outrageous.

Goldie, I disagree.
You aren't ''just'' a person, you are a f**king gem and I am proud to have you as my friend.
As I have said before, it is easy to hate jews, there is much media that encourages it.
I just hope that one day, people see past what they think they hate and figure out what is really going on.
It was a lifechanging event for me and it has lead to more progress in a short space of time than the rest of my life combined.
Judgement is a huge roadbloack in our quest for the holy grail.

[music]

Re: The problem with blanket Anti-Semitism
It makes me sad whenever I see racists; especially when they are people who seem otherwise intelligent and aware. I am not Jewish (It is sad that I even have to state this in order to feel that I will not be immediately rejected by the above poster), but many of my friends are Jewish and it makes me really sad to see them being lumped in with the powerful elite pigs who don’t care about anyone else. Below the ranks of the elite there should be no ‘us and them’. The Elite love to fuel racism as divide and conquer is one of their favourite tactics. To think that someone could be labelled bad or good based solely on their heritage is pure ignorance. In all races and creeds there are loving, beautiful , wise people....and absolute #*#%heads. If we have any hope of overcoming our oppressors we need to move beyond fear and connect with our hearts. Our hearts don’t see race or creed, our hearts see only people.

LOVE ALLways, c

I wasn't going to respond to your post, but after thinking about it, I have to....

First off, you've thrown "racism" out there the way the jews throw around "anti-semitism"....

Secondly, since when did Judaism become a RACE? It is NOT a race, contrary to what zionists want people to believe. It's a RELIGION.... No racism involved. If this is the case, then why isn't Islam a race, too? Or Buddhism or Hinduism?

The point I was trying to make is that so much has been done by zionists AND jews the world over. It's not just the elites.... When they're caught doing illegal things, that's when the "anti-semitism" gets thrown about. They know they've done wrong and yet they want to beat the wrap. According to their Talmud, they can do their worst to us and it's even commanded because they regard all of us as if we're NOTHING. They can even kill us. But I don't imagine that you know this....Will your friends admit that to you, if you asked them....?

Let me tell you a true story about a Palestinian man who was trying to work his land so that his family had something when he passed on. This man was very skilled with the land so it looked beautiful and bountiful. The first time the jewish soldiers came and took his land away from him. By order of their govt, of course. This lovely Palestinian man wasn't deterred by this outright theft of his property. So, he went and worked another piece of land and did the same thing. This time, when the jewish soldiers came, he told them that he forgave them and that he loved them. Know what his response was? A bullet in the head....That was NOT a zionist pig who did this.... And I've had American friends going to Israel to be with other jews. One of them came back so thoroughly disgusted by what he'd seen over there. Again, these were not zionist pigs either....

And did you know that the State Department has given Mossad and the Shinbet their blessings to come into the US anytime they want, unhindered; and have permission to kidnap American citizens? I didn't know this either until recently....Who makes up Mossad and the Shinbet? jews.... Who's going around to other countries and causing "a little trouble" like setting off explosives as a message to those govts and their people?

If we all can live in peace and harmony with each other, why can't they? Ask yourself, why are they doing these things? Why do they think we're nothing but "goyem"?

1) Using "racism" as a blanket term to encompass various religious and cultural predjudices was already mentioned and tacitly agreed upon in this threads. It's no biggie, this would fall within the realm of cultural shorthand.

2) I haven't "studied" the Talmud, but I have actually read it, which I am guessing is more than you have done. Please refer to post #21 above for guidance.

3) Your story of the Palestinian man sounds like propaganda to me. Would you have any kind of reference for that?

4) I notice on previous threads, you sometimes sign off with the phrase "Love ALL and all..." As this is obviously a misrepresentation of yourself, I would humbly ask you as a mark of respect to the other members of the forum, to find a more truthful signature.

5) If we are keeping score of historic atrocities, I'm afraid Christianity is way ahead of any other faith on that score.

6) May you find your back to the heart

[realitycorrodes]

Two documentaries worth taking a look at. "Occupation 101" and "Palestine is still the issue"

[Maia Gabrial]

Re: The problem with blanket Anti-Semitism
Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)

Re: The problem with blanket Anti-Semitism
It makes me sad whenever I see racists; especially when they are people who seem otherwise intelligent and aware. I am not Jewish (It is sad that I even have to state this in order to feel that I will not be immediately rejected by the above poster), but many of my friends are Jewish and it makes me really sad to see them being lumped in with the powerful elite pigs who don’t care about anyone else. Below the ranks of the elite there should be no ‘us and them’. The Elite love to fuel racism as divide and conquer is one of their favourite tactics. To think that someone could be labelled bad or good based solely on their heritage is pure ignorance. In all races and creeds there are loving, beautiful , wise people....and absolute #*#%heads. If we have any hope of overcoming our oppressors we need to move beyond fear and connect with our hearts. Our hearts don’t see race or creed, our hearts see only people.

LOVE ALLways, c
I wasn't going to respond to your post, but after thinking about it, I have to....

First off, you've thrown "racism" out there the way the jews throw around "anti-semitism"....

Secondly, since when did Judaism become a RACE? It is NOT a race, contrary to what zionists want people to believe. It's a RELIGION.... No racism involved. If this is the case, then why isn't Islam a race, too? Or Buddhism or Hinduism?

The point I was trying to make is that so much has been done by zionists AND jews the world over. It's not just the elites.... When they're caught doing illegal things, that's when the "anti-semitism" gets thrown about. They know they've done wrong and yet they want to beat the wrap. According to their Talmud, they can do their worst to us and it's even commanded because they regard all of us as if we're NOTHING. They can even kill us. But I don't imagine that you know this....Will your friends admit that to you, if you asked them....?

Let me tell you a true story about a Palestinian man who was trying to work his land so that his family had something when he passed on. This man was very skilled with the land so it looked beautiful and bountiful. The first time the jewish soldiers came and took his land away from him. By order of their govt, of course. This lovely Palestinian man wasn't deterred by this outright theft of his property. So, he went and worked another piece of land and did the same thing. This time, when the jewish soldiers came, he told them that he forgave them and that he loved them. Know what his response was? A bullet in the head....That was NOT a zionist pig who did this.... And I've had American friends going to Israel to be with other jews. One of them came back so thoroughly disgusted by what he'd seen over there. Again, these were not zionist pigs either....

And did you know that the State Department has given Mossad and the Shinbet their blessings to come into the US anytime they want, unhindered; and have permission to kidnap American citizens? I didn't know this either until recently....Who makes up Mossad and the Shinbet? jews.... Who's going around to other countries and causing "a little trouble" like setting off explosives as a message to those govts and their people?

If we all can live in peace and harmony with each other, why can't they? Ask yourself, why are they doing these things? Why do they think we're nothing but "goyem"?
1) Using "racism" as a blanket term to encompass various religious and cultural predjudices was already mentioned and tacitly agreed upon in this threads. It's no biggie, this would fall within the realm of cultural shorthand.

2) I haven't "studied" the Talmud, but I have actually read it, which I am guessing is more than you have done. Please refer to post #21 above for guidance.

3) Your story of the Palestinian man sounds like propaganda to me. Would you have any kind of reference for that?

4) I notice on previous threads, you sometimes sign off with the phrase "Love ALL and all..." As this is obviously a misrepresentation of yourself, I would humbly ask you as a mark of respect to the other members of the forum, to find a more truthful signature.

5) If we are keeping score of historic atrocities, I'm afraid Christianity is way ahead of any other faith on that score.

6) May you find your back to the heart
For you, music :clap2:

1) The story of the Palestinian man is all true. A friend's uncle.... I have other stories even more personal than this one to tell. You'll probably want to call them all propaganda, too. And who would this propaganda be for anyway?

2) I have 2 jewish friends who have shared the texts from the Talmud with me....I wrote down some of the more repulsive ones to have something to refer to later....Good for you if you've actually had the opportunity to read that thing. So you understand where I was coming from. People just don't know what is being taught to most jews about them....THAT was my whole point of beating this dead horse.

3) Make no mistake about it that just because I dislike people's actions doesn't mean that I don't have the feelings for them. 9.9 times out of 10 I'd be there for anyone if they needed me. It's not easy to detach people from their evil actions, but I've been trying. Believe me, my view of this semitism issue is one that I'm working on. As to this forum, the variety of ideas and knowledge is what I draw on for healing. I look forward to what they have to say whether it be in agreement or not.
So, don't pretend to know me, music. You don't have a clue to what inner transformations are going on in my life. You don't know what's in my heart....

4) One thing is for sure, I agree with you on the Christianity. Only I'd take it a step further and say all religions hold a small part of truth. Aside from that they're all worthless...

"Love to ALL and all" including you, music whether you want to believe that or not....

[realitycorrodes]

Is it ignorance which causes the "little Jew" to protect and stand up for the "Khazarian (Ashkenazi) Jew"?

All humans are ignorant - it is there to let us know they are consciously or subconsciously still living in fear IMHO.

Another documentary worth taking a look at. "The Khazarian Conspiracy"

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/66196/The_Khazarian_Conspiracy/

I do wonder about calling a being who distinguishes between a chosen group of people and unchosen group - and that same being deciding that the "chosen group" has the right to remove with force and against their will the "unchosen group of people" from the land they have lived on for years? Sounds like a demonic entity to me? Divide and Conquer will be the the actions by which we shall know them (demonic entities)...perhaps? Its a pity that ignorant people choose to worship demons as gods instead of realising they themselves are the gods (under mind control) and have the power to remain "undivided" if they only had the courage to seek the truth!

Fear is good manure for ignorance! IMHO Which begs the question..."How to become fearless?"....Could the answer lie in the answer to the question "Who am I?"

Peace

[Maia Gabrial]

I'm sure you won't read my response, as I am guessing you "ignore" anything I post. However, I want to say that I feel very sorry that you carry around such strong feelings against Jews. It must be a burden to live with these intense emotions. I have found that negativity and hate in a human being prevents us from doing more productive things with our lives. It stops us from focusing on the "good" and from adding our love and positive energy to society, as a whole.

To relate a story as you have done and then equate the entire population of Jews (such as me) to the evil of what happened to this man, is a terrible indictment on us. We can point to evil misdeeds in all groups. I hope one day you find peace in your life and I hope very much that other members are able to see that not all of us "Jews" are evil, elite, and black-hearted. I'm just a person, like you, and everyone else on this forum, and to lump me into a group that you obviously see as horrific beings, is outrageous.

Thank you.

[enfoldedblue]

I wasn't going to respond to your post, but after thinking about it, I have to....

First off, you've thrown "racism" out there the way the jews throw around "anti-semitism"....

Secondly, since when did Judaism become a RACE? It is NOT a race, contrary to what zionists want people to believe. It's a RELIGION.... No racism involved. If this is the case, then why isn't Islam a race, too? Or Buddhism or Hinduism?

The point I was trying to make is that so much has been done by zionists AND jews the world over. It's not just the elites.... When they're caught doing illegal things, that's when the "anti-semitism" gets thrown about. They know they've done wrong and yet they want to beat the wrap. According to their Talmud, they can do their worst to us and it's even commanded because they regard all of us as if we're NOTHING. They can even kill us. But I don't imagine that you know this....Will your friends admit that to you, if you asked them....?

Let me tell you a true story ...

Hi Maia Gabrial,

I discussed your first point in Post #19

While in truth the discussion here is really about ethnicity and not race, I personally see little difference between someone who rejects an entire group of people based on skin color and people who reject an entire group of people based on cultural heritage. I know the term ‘racist’ is not looked well-upon, but honestly how can the following be seen as anything but:
“IF resenting and despising immoral things like lying, stealing, conniving and murdering people means anti-semitism, then I guess the majority of people are anti-semitic”
And while someone who talks about hating a group of people based on their culture may not be as bad as someone who physically attacks someone for the same reason, it is still racist.
I personally take offence at the statements that were posted here and I believe that for some they could be very hurtful as well. Comments like those made here could make some people feel very unwelcome.
I’m all for exploring ideas, and I certainly wouldn’t advocate removal of any comments, but in the name of fairness and balance, I too will call things as I see them.

LOVE ALLways, c

I know that as we look at what is really going on behind the scenes it is easy to become paranoid. When you say things like "They can even kill us. But I don't imagine that you know this....Will your friends admit that to you, if you asked them....?"

it appears that you may be suffering from this affliction. I believe the cure for paranoia is trusting in LOVE. LOVE is the most powerful force in the universe, and in these shifting times it is moving into the foreground and beginning to transform all that that has been created out of fear. You can choose to focus your energy on everything you percieve as wrong, or you can choose to trust in love and focus on creating a world of love and unity.

LOVE ALLways, c

[Maia Gabrial]

I know that as we look at what is really going on behind the scenes it is easy to become paranoid. When you say things like "They can even kill us. But I don't imagine that you know this....Will your friends admit that to you, if you asked them....?"

it appears that you may be suffering from this affliction. I believe the cure for paranoia is trusting in LOVE. LOVE is the most powerful force in the universe, and in these shifting times it is moving into the foreground and beginning to transform all that that has been created out of fear. You can choose to focus your energy on everything you percieve as wrong, or you can choose to trust in love and focus on creating a world of love and unity.

LOVE ALLways, c

Hi again, Enfoldedblue. I appreciate your comments.
I believe the problem with zionism is more rampant than people are led to believe. Like everything else this truth is hidden from us as well.

I was so shocked when I found out that they CAN kill us, among other things,; and it would be no big deal to them since they don't value us. I don't think paranoia is the right word to use. Neither is hate. What bothers me is that there actually are people who live by this and treat people accordingly. I feel betrayed and offended by what this Talmud teaches. THAT'S where my problem lies.... and understanding how anyone could practice such things....

But you are definitely right in your suggestion to focus on something better than this. I was reminded by spirit a couple of days ago to do this so I don't get sucked into the insanities of the times. I realized that this kind of thinking would drag me down and it's not a place where I want to be. I agree with you that LOVE is simply the best healer for everything. I accept this truth....

Don't worry, I'll get there sooner, rather than later.... :rolleyes:

"Love ALL and all"

(And this is the last time I'm going to beat this dead horse...)

[realitycorrodes]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11543891
www.rense.com/general48/Palestinians.pdf

The origin of Palestinians and their genetic relatedness with other Mediterranean populations.
Abstract
The genetic profile of Palestinians has, for the first time, been studied by using human leukocyte antigen (HLA) gene variability and haplotypes. The comparison with other Mediterranean populations by using neighbor-joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses reveal that Palestinians are genetically very close to Jews and other Middle East populations, including Turks (Anatolians), Lebanese, Egyptians, Armenians, and Iranians. Archaeologic and genetic data support that both Jews and Palestinians came from the ancient Canaanites, who extensively mixed with Egyptians, Mesopotamian, and Anatolian peoples in ancient times. Thus, Palestinian-Jewish rivalry is based in cultural and religious, but not in genetic, differences. The relatively close relatedness of both Jews and Palestinians to western Mediterranean populations reflects the continuous circum-Mediterranean cultural and gene flow that have occurred in prehistoric and historic times. This flow overtly contradicts the demic diffusion model of western Mediterranean populations substitution by agriculturalists coming from the Middle East in the Mesolithic-Neolithic transition.

[realitycorrodes]

Journal axes gene research on Jews and Palestinians
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001...genetics/print

Journal axes gene research on Jews and Palestinians reddit this Robin McKie, science editor The Observer, Sunday 25 November 2001 11.24 GMT larger | smaller Article history
A keynote research paper showing that Middle Eastern Jews and Palestinians are genetically almost identical has been pulled from a leading journal.
Academics who have already received copies of Human Immunology have been urged to rip out the offending pages and throw them away.

Such a drastic act of self-censorship is unprecedented in research publishing and has created widespread disquiet, generating fears that it may involve the suppression of scientific work that questions Biblical dogma.

'I have authored several hundred scientific papers, some for Nature and Science, and this has never happened to me before,' said the article's lead author, Spanish geneticist Professor Antonio Arnaiz-Villena, of Complutense University in Madrid. 'I am stunned.'

British geneticist Sir Walter Bodmer added: 'If the journal didn't like the paper, they shouldn't have published it in the first place. Why wait until it has appeared before acting like this?'

The journal's editor, Nicole Sucio-Foca, of Columbia University, New York, claims the article provoked such a welter of complaints over its extreme political writing that she was forced to repudiate it. The article has been removed from Human Immunology's website, while letters have been written to libraries and universities throughout the world asking them to ignore or 'preferably to physically remove the relevant pages'. Arnaiz-Villena has been sacked from the journal's editorial board.

Dolly Tyan, president of the American Society of Histocompatibility and Immunogenetics, which runs the journal, told subscribers that the society is 'offended and embarrassed'.

The paper, 'The Origin of Palestinians and their Genetic Relatedness with other Mediterranean Populations', involved studying genetic variations in immune system genes among people in the Middle East.

In common with earlier studies, the team found no data to support the idea that Jewish people were genetically distinct from other people in the region. In doing so, the team's research challenges claims that Jews are a special, chosen people and that Judaism can only be inherited.

Jews and Palestinians in the Middle East share a very similar gene pool and must be considered closely related and not genetically separate, the authors state. Rivalry between the two races is therefore based 'in cultural and religious, but not in genetic differences', they conclude.

But the journal, having accepted the paper earlier this year, now claims the article was politically biased and was written using 'inappropriate' remarks about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Its editor told the journal Nature last week that she was threatened by mass resignations from members if she did not retract the article.

Arnaiz-Villena says he has not seen a single one of the accusations made against him, despite being promised the opportunity to look at the letters sent to the journal.

He accepts he used terms in the article that laid him open to criticism. There is one reference to Jewish 'colonists' living in the Gaza strip, and another that refers to Palestinian people living in 'concentration' camps.

'Perhaps I should have used the words settlers instead of colonists, but really, what is the difference?' he said.

'And clearly, I should have said refugee, not concentration, camps, but given that I was referring to settlements outside of Israel - in Syria and Lebanon - that scarcely makes me anti-Jewish. References to the history of the region, the ones that are supposed to be politically offensive, were taken from the Encyclopaedia Britannica, and other text books.'

In the wake of the journal's actions, and claims of mass protests about the article, several scientists have now written to the society to support Arnaiz-Villena and to protest about their heavy-handedness.

One of them said: 'If Arnaiz-Villena had found evidence that Jewish people were genetically very special, instead of ordinary, you can be sure no one would have objected to the phrases he used in his article. This is a very sad business.'

[araucaria]

As I was saying here:


I was reading this morning someone who was regretting the anti-Jewish tone of some posts on this forum. I agree with that sentiment. Just list all the people who figure in that category, like the Marx brothers, musicians, artists, whatever, and all they have done for humanity, and you will realize that the part is never equatable to the whole. What a better place to hide for those with evil intent than among this highly gifted ‘race’.

the association of zionists with people of Jewish stock is a useful way to tar with the same brush many of the things we value most.. We have to see through this or we shall have nothing left

[Lord Sidious]

As I was saying here:


I was reading this morning someone who was regretting the anti-Jewish tone of some posts on this forum. I agree with that sentiment. Just list all the people who figure in that category, like the Marx brothers, musicians, artists, whatever, and all they have done for humanity, and you will realize that the part is never equatable to the whole. What a better place to hide for those with evil intent than among this highly gifted ‘race’.

the association of zionists with people of Jewish stock is a useful way to tar with the same brush many of the things we value most.. We have to see through this or we shall have nothing left

I remember seeing an interview of Sonny Barger, who was the president of one of the California chapters of the Hells Angels.
He was asked about criminals in the HA.
He said that there were men with criminal records in the club, but that doesn't make them all criminals.
He went on to say there were also members of the LAPD with criminal records and lots of fine officers too.

When I figured that out about ''the jews'' that was a big deal for me.
It might seem silly to some of you, but then you didn't move in the circles I did.
I know the current Grand Wizard of the Klan and the two before him as well as many people you might see in the media.
So, it might seem basic, but not when you have the welding goggles on.

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Thank you reality corrodes. I am trying to download the paper now. They have probably used the Australian made PATN program in this research, a program I know well, I have used it to define new plant species. It is the definitive tool for assessing group similarities at species level and finer.

Most people already intuitively know that the Jews and Palestinians are fundamentally the same people, but at a larger scale, so too are we all.

Ah, just looked at the paper quickly. They use phylogenetic analysis, less power at this resolution, but that is the nit-picking of the systemacist in me. A good, scientifically rigorous paper though, its conclusion is beyond reproach.

[Unified Serenity]

Warning heavy history and bible sharing. I won't debate what I am sharing. If you read this you may be upset. I know many will feel sorry for me as to you I am deluded and under an old paradigm. All I can say is that this is based on my very personal experiences and a great deal of study of the bible in it's original languages and I truly believe this. Anyone who does not understand who those who claim to be Jews and are not is in for a world of hurt. There is a conspiracy, it's been played out for millenias, and I believe it will come to a close in the near future.

I have written about this issue in the past. There is a group who claims to be Jews and are not. Jesus even shared a parable about them called the parable of the wheat and tares. It was such an important parable that in private he spelled out it's meaning to his disciples. The wheat are the children of God and the tares are sown by the devil which look exactly like wheat, but in reality are a weed that has no nutritional value and you can't pull them up because it will damage the wheat.

Now, one would have to follow the history as layed out in 1 Chronicles and Jeremiah as well as see Jesus tell them publically they are not of God nor are they even Jews as they claim, but are of their father the devil. They fulfill the negative part of prophecy (someone has to) and their works and fruit are plainly seen to this day. They are called Kenites. They moved into Judea during Nebuchadnezzars reign to escape the carnage, and as they looked like Jews, they mixed in well, and got called "Jews". They became scribes and pharasees. Not all scribes and pharasees were Kenites, they just gravitated to that area. Here is some scripture regarding these facts:

1 Chr 2:55 "and the clans of scribes who lived at Jabez: the Tirathites, Shimeathites and Sucathites. These are the Kenites who came from Hammath, the father of the house of Recab.

The word "Kenites" comes from the word Kajin which is the name Cain.


Jeremiah 35 Go here and read it for yourself. (http://niv.scripturetext.com/jeremiah/35-1.htm) Note that they follow the curse God put on Cain.

In Jeremiah 35:5-11 it says, "Then I set bowls full of wine and some cups before the men of the Recabite family and said to them, “Drink some wine. 6But they replied, “We do not drink wine, because our forefather Jonadab son of Recab gave us this command: ‘Neither you nor your descendants must ever drink wine. 7Also you must never build houses, sow seed or plant vineyards; you must never have any of these things, but must always live in tents. Then you will live a long time in the land where you are nomads.’ 8We have obeyed everything our forefather Jonadab son of Recab commanded us. Neither we nor our wives nor our sons and daughters have ever drunk wine 9or built houses to live in or had vineyards, fields or crops. 10We have lived in tents and have fully obeyed everything our forefather Jonadab commanded us. 11But when Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon invaded this land, we said, ‘Come, we must go to Jerusalem to escape the Babyloniana and Aramean armies.’ So we have remained in Jerusalem.”

Cain and Abel were twins with different fathers. We hear about the Nephalim and see giants and hear about mighty races who had advanced knowledge, where do you think they came from? They came from the sons of god who took the daughters of men and had kids with them and passed the secrets onto them. These are the bloodline elites who are still playing their games today. They believe they have a divine right to rule.

Gen6:1-4 1When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days will be a hundred and twenty years.”

4The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

So, it's happened before and Jesus said it will happen again. Lucifer got this whole thing going from the getgo, and Jesus called the Kenites on it, and that's the main reason they killed him. He was revealing the truth, and they could not have anyone understand who they were or understand what a plague they are. No one goes after the Kenites without paying a price.

Genesis 4:1-2 "1Adama lay with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain.b She said, “With the help of the Lord I have brought forthc a man.” 2Later she gave birth to his brother Abel. The word "later" is "yacaph" and means continued as in she continued in labor and gave birth to Abel

God curses Cain:

Gen 4:10 "10The Lord said, “What have you done? Listen! Your brother’s blood cries out to me from the ground. 11Now you are under a curse and driven from the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand. 12When you work the ground, it will no longer yield its crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth.”


John 8:39-47 "39“Abraham is our father,” they answered. "If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would do the things Abraham did. 40As it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41You are doing the things your own father does.”
“We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.” They are liars and they are illegitamate children.

42Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. 43Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

Luke 11:49-51 "Because of this, God in his wisdom said, 'I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and others they will persecute. Therefore this generation will be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world, from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, this generation will be held responsible for it all."

Who killed Abel? Jesus is plainly telling them and the people that this group of gnat strainers are not Jews, but Kenites which means sons of Cain. By the way, the word "Generation" in this passage translates from the Greek word "geneas" as race or family. So, Jesus publically tells everyone that these guys who have been lording over them and judging them are not even Jews, but interlopers who are really the sons of Cain. Jesus also says they will be held responsible for it, so no one is getting away with anything. All their plans for world domination are for naught.

These Kenites who claim to be Jews and are not cause the real Jews to look bad. Sure there are bad Jews in the world. There's bad people everywhere, but as a race, this group is very focused on taking over the world and have a very elite club. If you are not a member of the Kajinite/Kenite tribe you won't get those special deals. You know the special insider information and help to be put into the very best colleges and careers. You know the one who it seems no matter what all worldy good things happen to them, as if they have some special help. Well, they do have special help. Their goal is their father's goal, world domination through a one world government with a one world leader who is worshipped and followed legalistically. It's all been foretold, and no one should be surprised about what's happening. They maneuver people, countries into debt via their centralized private banks, then destroy the economy and buy up everything for pennies on the dollar. They do it country by country like a weed taking over, and now they are ready to do it worldwide. Once the chaos and wars get to a certain point, they will bring out their Prince of Peace, the whole world will love him and be crying "Peace, Peace, Peace" because the time they just went through was so awful with natural disasters, plagues, wars they just want PEACE! Then sudden destruction will truly come and the game will be up. It's time to wake up people, and not get fooled into a false Peace.

[Lochinvar]

This thread is about anti-semitism and yet little mention of Arabs.

Most Arabs I know tell me that the tribe of Semites are predominantly Arab. I have not met any that disagree with this. The term semite has been hijacked.

Ps I'm aware that wikipedia also gets it wrong.

[efields]

This is the Problem with Blanket Anything...

Save for peace and Love

[Lord Sidious]

Well, even though both you guys may be correct, I don't know what relevance there is to the topic?
I mean, even if most of ''the jews'' are ''fake'' what does that mean?
They are probably getting MORE crap slung at them than any other of the jewish groups.
And few people hate arabs, it is more a hatred of muslims.

[efields]

Tyrants and Despots have no One religion they are littered through Humanity and All Religions and Political Orders. And should be dealt with as they have dealt with Humanity.. It's like Nuclear Waste. It has no place among a Peaceful Populace. Loving them and Turning The Other Cheek seems Foolish and flat out wrong.

Quoting the Bible.. don't make me Laugh. Show me the religious document that has not been Bastardized by Humans for the purpose of Power and Control. I have not found many.. None in major religions. Folks who follow this manure are Asleep big time. Thats the collective. Why I avoid it at all costs. Seems Folks just need to be Led. Sorrow on All of us.

[Lochinvar]

Well, even though both you guys may be correct, I don't know what relevance there is to the topic?
I mean, even if most of ''the jews'' are ''fake'' what does that mean?
They are probably getting MORE crap slung at them than any other of the jewish groups.
And few people hate arabs, it is more a hatred of muslims.
It's highly relevant to the topic title it's just NOT quite so relevant to the off topic discussion. I'm against the re-writing of history and people hijacking terms as the ADL have done in this instance. It's like the hijacking of the word conspiracy so that it is inextricably linked with the word theory. As if there is no more conspiracy that is fact (911 being the prime example of conspiracy as fact).

[Lord Sidious]

Well, even though both you guys may be correct, I don't know what relevance there is to the topic?
I mean, even if most of ''the jews'' are ''fake'' what does that mean?
They are probably getting MORE crap slung at them than any other of the jewish groups.
And few people hate arabs, it is more a hatred of muslims.
It's highly relevant to the topic title it's just quite so relevant to the off topic discussion. I'm against the re-writing of history and people hijacking terms as the ADL have done in this instance. It's like the hijacking of the word conspiracy so that it is inextricably linked with the word theory. As if there is no more conspiracy that is fact (911 being the prime example of conspiracy as fact).

Well, the ADL is a good example of what the ''elite jews'' want with anti semitism.
Have a look at the movie Defamation, if you use bit torrent.
Made by an Israeli jew, it is a very interesting show.

[Lochinvar]

Well, even though both you guys may be correct, I don't know what relevance there is to the topic?
I mean, even if most of ''the jews'' are ''fake'' what does that mean?
They are probably getting MORE crap slung at them than any other of the jewish groups.
And few people hate arabs, it is more a hatred of muslims.
It's highly relevant to the topic title it's just quite so relevant to the off topic discussion. I'm against the re-writing of history and people hijacking terms as the ADL have done in this instance. It's like the hijacking of the word conspiracy so that it is inextricably linked with the word theory. As if there is no more conspiracy that is fact (911 being the prime example of conspiracy as fact).

Well, the ADL is a good example of what the ''elite jews'' want with anti semitism.
Have a look at the movie Defamation, if you use bit torrent.
Made by an Israeli jew, it is a very interesting show.
Downloading now (unless my ISP is reading this in which case I am not).

[music]

Well, even though both you guys may be correct, I don't know what relevance there is to the topic?
I mean, even if most of ''the jews'' are ''fake'' what does that mean?
They are probably getting MORE crap slung at them than any other of the jewish groups.
And few people hate arabs, it is more a hatred of muslims.

And the hatred of muslims comes back to issue of commentaries and interpretation of original texts. We never hear in the media of the millions of good, pure muslims. We hear of the distortions of the texts by barely literate, extremist mullahs with an agenda of hate, and many of these are funded with our tax monies. Take the issue of the viel. It is not law, it is a recommendation. The basis for the recommendation can be paraphrased thusly: "the male is like a salivating, hungry beast where the female is concerned. Would you put a plate of fine meat in front of a hungry, wild dog and expected it to remain unsullied?" It is interesting to note that the muslim allies of the west are the ones who are extreme and erroneous in their interpretation of the Qu'ran, while those we seek to destroy (eg. Iraq, Libya) follow more liberal interpretations.

[Lord Sidious]

Well, even though both you guys may be correct, I don't know what relevance there is to the topic?
I mean, even if most of ''the jews'' are ''fake'' what does that mean?
They are probably getting MORE crap slung at them than any other of the jewish groups.
And few people hate arabs, it is more a hatred of muslims.

And the hatred of muslims comes back to issue of commentaries and interpretation of original texts. We never hear in the media of the millions of good, pure muslims. We hear of the distortions of the texts by barely literate, extremist mullahs with an agenda of hate, and many of these are funded with our tax monies. Take the issue of the viel. It is not law, it is a recommendation. The basis for the recommendation can be paraphrased thusly: "the male is like a salivating, hungry beast where the female is concerned. Would you put a plate of fine meat in front of a hungry, wild dog and expected it to remain unsullied?" It is interesting to note that the muslim allies of the west are the ones who are extreme and erroneous in their interpretation of the Qu'ran, while those we seek to destroy (eg. Iraq, Libya) follow more liberal interpretations.

Ironically, the veil concept is judaic law, from the book of Susannah.
I saw a documentary a few years back about the issue of women being burnt in Pakistan.
This mullah was mentioning things in the quran that are not in there, I know, I was trained in this by imams.
They then mentioned he was illiterate and that was the give away, the actual imams are training to read, write and speak arabic, regardless of their backgrounds.
There are many out there, giving their opinions on many things, but they know little.
Unfortunately, those who know less are mislead and then we have problems, like the burning of women.

[Lochinvar]

Well, even though both you guys may be correct, I don't know what relevance there is to the topic?
I mean, even if most of ''the jews'' are ''fake'' what does that mean?
They are probably getting MORE crap slung at them than any other of the jewish groups.
And few people hate arabs, it is more a hatred of muslims.
I'm not sure who you are referring to here as neither myself nor the poster in Ecuador have accused any Jews of being fake.

Anyway I think this video sums up the topic well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37e1Fnm1sEE

[Unified Serenity]

Well, even though both you guys may be correct, I don't know what relevance there is to the topic?
I mean, even if most of ''the jews'' are ''fake'' what does that mean?
They are probably getting MORE crap slung at them than any other of the jewish groups.
And few people hate arabs, it is more a hatred of muslims.
I'm not sure who you are referring to here as neither myself nor the poster in Ecuador have accused any Jews of being fake.

Anyway I think this video sums up the topic well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37e1Fnm1sEE

I do believe our dear lord sid was referring to my post above. There is definitely a group who claim to be Jews and are not Jews. They do a lot of the nasty stuff like the banking elites and media elites and are claiming to be Jews and are not.

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There is definitely a group who claim to be Jews and are not Jews.

That would explain some things that have confused me, certainly. Like, oh, I don't know, funding (dare I say orchestrating) the rise of Hitler, and control of the cartel that manufactured Zyclon B, for example.

[jorr lundstrom]

Khazars

The theory that the majority of Ashkenazi Jews are the descendants of the non-Semitic converted Khazars was advocated by various racial theorists[38][39] and antisemitic sources[39][40][41][42] in the 20th century, especially following the publication of Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe. Despite recent genetic evidence to the contrary,[43] and a lack of any real mainstream scholarly support, this belief is still popular among groups such as the Christian Identity Movement, Black Hebrews, British Israelitists and others (particularly Arabs[44][45][46]) who claim that they, rather than Jews, are the true descendants of the Israelites, or who seek to downplay the connection between Ashkenazi Jews and Israel in favor of their own.

This is immensly interesting stuff, there is a hole lot of stuff on Wikipedia, link below.

BTW, wasnt the name of the last immortel that the highlander had to fight in the movie Highlander, Khagan? LOL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars#Theory_of_Khazar_ancestry_of_Ashkenazi_Jews

[Lord Sidious]

Khazars

The theory that the majority of Ashkenazi Jews are the descendants of the non-Semitic converted Khazars was advocated by various racial theorists[38][39] and antisemitic sources[39][40][41][42] in the 20th century, especially following the publication of Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe. Despite recent genetic evidence to the contrary,[43] and a lack of any real mainstream scholarly support, this belief is still popular among groups such as the Christian Identity Movement, Black Hebrews, British Israelitists and others (particularly Arabs[44][45][46]) who claim that they, rather than Jews, are the true descendants of the Israelites, or who seek to downplay the connection between Ashkenazi Jews and Israel in favor of their own.

This is immensly interesting stuff, there is a hole lot of stuff on Wikipedia, link below.

BTW, wasnt the name of the last immortel that the highlander had to fight in the movie Highlander, Khagan? LOL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars#Theory_of_Khazar_ancestry_of_Ashkenazi_Jews

The current Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan is also a christian identity pastor.
Some people have run ins with born again christians, you wanna try dealing with christian identity.
Man.
I don't really care either way about the whole khazar thing. I know the whole story, far more than most, but for me now, it is a non issue.
Khazar or not, people are people.

[Unified Serenity]

I just want to be clear, what I have posted about Kenites is not about Ashkenazi Jews, Khazars, or converts, but about those who moved into Judea under Nebuchadnezzar's reign of the house of Rechab that is a Kenite group. There are clues to spot a Kenite, but again it's for knowledge only because as the parable of the wheat and tares says, we cannot harm them, but only be aware of them. Follow the curse, follow the example of Cain's children to spot them. They are imitators / copy cats and there is a mark upon them. They have no shame and will never stop their plans.

[Lord Sidious]

I just want to be clear, what I have posted about Kenites is not about Ashkenazi Jews, Khazars, or converts, but about those who moved into Judea under Nebuchadnezzar's reign of the house of Rechab that is a Kenite group. There are clues to spot a Kenite, but again it's for knowledge only because as the parable of the wheat and tares says, we cannot harm them, but only be aware of them. Follow the curse, follow the example of Cain's children to spot them. They are imitators / copy cats and there is a mark upon them. They have no shame and will never stop their plans.

You believe that ALL of these kenites you speak of are like this?

[jorr lundstrom]

There is definitely a group who claim to be Jews and are not Jews.

That would explain some things that have confused me, certainly. Like, oh, I don't know, funding (dare I say orchestrating) the rise of Hitler, and control of the cartel that manufactured Zyclon B, for example.

It has showed that it is as hard to prove that Cyclon B was used to anything else than to fight lice

during WW II that it is to combine the word" American" with the expression" open mind."

[Unified Serenity]

A leopard doesn't change it's spots Sid. Just follow their fruits, their actions, and you will see they fulfill the negative part of prophecy. I don't hate them. You know, I even look at Lucifer who is who he is, does what he does, and maybe, just maybe he layed his life down for his brothers in order to carry out this divine plan for us to learn unconditional love. It's very easy to love those who love you, but to love those who hate you, revile you, plan your destruction is more in keeping with my path. Now, could I do a heinous thing in order to ultimately do a divine plan? I can't, never have been able to, and personally have never understood mean spirited hateful people.

Much love

Serenity

[Lord Sidious]

A leopard doesn't change it's spots Sid. Just follow their fruits, their actions, and you will see they fulfill the negative part of prophecy. I don't hate them. You know, I even look at Lucifer who is who he is, does what he does, and maybe, just maybe he layed his life down for his brothers in order to carry out this divine plan for us to learn unconditional love. It's very easy to love those who love you, but to love those who hate you, revile you, plan your destruction is more in keeping with my path. Now, could I do a heinous thing in order to ultimately do a divine plan? I can't, never have been able to, and personally have never understood mean spirited hateful people.

Much love

Serenity

Whilst I don't disagree with what you say, I want to know if you think this rule applies to ALL the kenites?
If so, why?