Using Spirituality as a weapon.

[Tony]

Using Spirituality as a weapon.

Sometimes when we receive information, and haven't really experienced this information for ourselves, this information just stays as information, not knowledge, let alone wisdom!

If we find that we are getting angry at others, this merely shows our intolerance.

In ordinary confused life, we carry around fixed concepts and ideas about ourselves and the world around us. Entering the spiritual world we merely carry on the same attitude to, 'out do' others. We start to send subtle rockets at one another. This creates a hostile atmosphere.

This attitude isn't far off being occult!

This is why patience, generosity, disciple and tolerance are needed to evolve into the spiritual beings that we are. One of the problems with reading that we are reading or hearing that in essence we are enlightened, does not mean we are enlightened now. There are many stages of uncovering to go through, and some of it will be painful...to the ego!

If you think the universe is 'such and such' and are confident in that, be happy. Someone else might see it as 'psuch and psuch'. If you get angry at some one else's view, it shows that you are clinging to your view in quite an intolerant of others.

We are here to work together. Of course we will have different views, that is why this forum is so rich. This does not need to be a battle ground. Spiritual work is very, very subtle and needs a compassionate space in which to develop.

True, dealing with anger is part of the practice, but we do not need to go looking for trouble. The world we live in has enough strife already.

Our questioning of one another has great value. The key is unconditional compassionate energy.


Love,
Tony

[ViralSpiral]

This attitude isn't far off being occult!




Pardon?!? You calling me an occult???

http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/hexer-smiley.gif?1292867615

Oh, okay then. :p

I pick up pen and write: live, give, forgive a million times

Thank you for helping me work at it.....

[Tony]

This attitude isn't far off being occult!




Pardon?!? You calling me an occult???

http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/hexer-smiley.gif?1292867615

Oh, okay then. :p

I pick up pen and write: live, give, forgive a million times

Thank you for helping me work at it.....

Viralspiral, you know I love you to bits!

[Star1111]

Using Spirituality as a weapon.

Sometimes when we receive information, and haven't really experienced this information for ourselves, this information just stays as information, not knowledge, let alone wisdom!

If we find that we are getting angry at others, this merely shows our intolerance.

In ordinary confused life, we carry around fixed concepts and ideas about ourselves and the world around us. Entering the spiritual world we merely carry on the same attitude to, 'out do' others. We start to send subtle rockets at one another. This creates a hostile atmosphere.

This attitude isn't far off being occult!

This is why patience, generosity, disciple and tolerance are needed to evolve into the spiritual beings that we are. One of the problems with reading that we are reading or hearing that in essence we are enlightened, does not mean we are enlightened now. There are many stages of uncovering to go through, and some of it will be painful...to the ego!

If you think the universe is 'such and such' and are confident in that, be happy. Someone else might see it as 'psuch and psuch'. If you get angry at some one else's view, it shows that you are clinging to your view in quite an intolerant of others.

We are here to work together. Of course we will have different views, that is why this forum is so rich. This does not need to be a battle ground. Spiritual work is very, very subtle and needs a compassionate space in which to develop.

True, dealing with anger is part of the practice, but we do not need to go looking for trouble. The world we live in has enough strife already.

Our questioning of one another has great value. The key is unconditional compassionate energy.


Love,
Tony

Beautiful and so well put.
Thank you !
Much LOVE to you

[The One]

Sometimes when we receive information, and haven't really experienced this information for ourselves, this information just stays as information, not knowledge, let alone wisdom

We fool ourselves with what we call knowledge. For what really do we know. We see from one view only, from our eyes only out. We cannot see from other perspectives and we cannot think with others' minds.

We do not truly know what brought us into existence. Nor do we know about what truly happens after when our bodies perish. We know not why we must age. We know not what truly exists beyond our own life form. We know not truly what it is like to live as another life form. We know not truly what really happened as per recorded in our history books. We know not what another thinks in silence. We know not what tomorrow offers us.Some of us might think we do but what do we actually know.

Memory is the mother of all wisdom xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[transiten]

You know something? I allow myself to have a reaction of frustration:doh:irritability:argue:fear:fear: and :angry:anger and then! Simsalabim!:party: i forgive myself and the other part.

In my experience suppressing emotions is NOT the solution. But if you have evolved to the point you don't have these negative emotions CONGRATULATIONS! But don't PUSH anyone beyond their actual state of development. Everything is just as it must be in this very moment of eternity!

[Tony]

Years ago when I was a competitive fencer, I was standing with a with a friend watching another fencer fighting. The thought came into my mind, “I envy him”. The person by my side simply said out loud ,”I admire him”.

Well, the blood drain from my head and legs, and I nearly fainted. Here were two people standing side by side, living in two entirely different worlds!

I was angry at myself, but also there was a sense of joy and relief that there was another world, an uplifting world. I could not criticise myself because my thoughts were due to my past, my up bringing. I could even criticise my up bringing, because of their up bringing.

There are many ways to see the same thing, and each can be refined.

[Tony]

The emotions are wonderful things, when looked at internally in their pure aspect, they are wisdoms.
On the other hand there is a reason for negative emotions, they reflects internal conflict.
We have a choice whether to be controlled the emotions, and suffer the continuous cycle of ups and downs,
or be free of them.

Evolving does take effort. Having made the decision to evolve, it becomes effortless.

[Tarka the Duck]

You know something? I allow myself to have a reaction of frustration:doh:irritability:argue:fear:fear: and :angry:anger and then! Simsalabim!:party: i forgive myself and the other part.

In my experience suppressing emotions is NOT the solution. But if you have evolved to the point you don't have these negative emotions CONGRATULATIONS! But don't PUSH anyone beyond their actual state of development. Everything is just as it must be in this very moment of eternity!

It's not a matter of suppressing the emotions - just not being ruled by them:p

[Guest]

Hi pie'n'eal

appreciate everyone's viewpoints -could we add acceptance into the mix?:hug:

Nora

we are all related

[modwiz]

You know something? I allow myself to have a reaction of frustration:doh:irritability:argue:fear:fear: and :angry:anger and then! Simsalabim!:party: i forgive myself and the other part.

In my experience suppressing emotions is NOT the solution. But if you have evolved to the point you don't have these negative emotions CONGRATULATIONS! But don't PUSH anyone beyond their actual state of development. Everything is just as it must be in this very moment of eternity!

It's not a matter of suppressing the emotions - just not being ruled by them:p

Agreed. I see emotions as the color quality to the black and white outlines of the intellectual constructs. Kind of how a coloring book works.

[Tony]

Hi pie'n'eal

appreciate everyone's viewpoints -could we add acceptance into the mix?:hug:


we are all related

Nora
Hello Nora,
Well of course acceptance, and to appreciate others. What I was referring to was, people who acquire a little information, and use it to lord it over others. Its a sort of bullying. You know the sort of thing! They might even use the term IMHO,
Which of course they do not mean at all!

It's really being antagonistic. Love 'em, yes of course...but you do not need them to wipe their feet all over you!

Tony

[Jayke]

Waking Up

A budding lotus
In a womb of luminous green
Vibrant, happy, and comforting.

The fresh white petals are so delicate
And so fine,
With clear drops of dew
Forming and sliding down.

The gentle petals do not protest the dew
Collecting in shimmering pearls
And sliding around,
Rather they welcome the refreshing presence
And relish the contact.

When the first rays of the golden sun
End their journey at its bosom,
The blossoming lotus
Stretching
Starts to unfold
Shaking off the dew and the long sleep of night.

Embracing the warm messengers of light
The young lotus sways gently
In a whirling dance
In a loving and teasing dialogue
With the gentle morning breeze.

The friendly breeze
Smiles happily
And caresses the petals
With infinite tenderness
And loving care.

The dance of the joyful petals
Titillates my awakening heart
Stirring expanding ripples
In its still and sweet waters.

The small ripples expand
In waves of release
Joy and delight,
Bubbling sweetness
Fresh fragrance
And a delicious tingle throughout.

Where one person perceives a flaming arrow another might just see a messenger of light...one might perceive the morning dew as trying to drown the flower, others might just see it's beautiful glisten in the rays of sun and be drawn to the waters natural ability to cleanse and purify, does the morning breeze unsteady us or do we smile amidst it's gentle caress, being able to dance playfully among the ripples rather than feeling a sense of attack by the movement demonstrates the essence of our ability to shift our perceptions in such a way that enables us to transform our greatest enemy into our greatest of friends...a place in which gratitude and compassion can naturally arise :)

[Mark]

I appreciate the candor and tone of your post, Tony but I wonder how you engage in lively discussion with others of differing viewpoints without accepting the potentiality of difference occurring? Since we are works in progress and this world is a place for lessons, why should PA not be a place where conflict extends to the arena of ideas and we undergo our lessons, whatever they might be, in the company of others more or less consciously undertaking the same? There is an excellent moderation staff here who keeps things more or less civil and practically all I`ve witnessed here interacting are generally cognizant of good manners and respectable discourse.

You always present wonderful topics for consideration, I appreciate your exhortations toward greater compassion and a safe atmosphere for spiritual exploration. But I`m also aware that most real growth occurs when people are pressed to really consider what they believe, and that often only becomes clear when one is forced to defend one`s ideas.

[Tony]

If one goes to say Nepal, there are many monasteries full of nuns, monks and lay practitioners.
These are spiritual practitioners. Over forty years I have attended many teachings and seminars.
One notices how ordinary these practitioners are. In fact the ordinariness is extra-ordinary. There seems to be no individuals.

It is said that when a realised person eats, they just eat, when they walk, they just walk, when they sit, they just sit. When in the company of these beings, there is no individual trying to out do the others. One just observes a sea of practitioners.

In the east or 'old world', the individual is not that important. The point of spiritual practice is to lose this self identity.

The picture is different in the west or 'new world'. Someone gets an itch, and they shout that they are ascending! The west is full of individuals, touchy individuals. The word “I” is foremost in our language. We grab hold of bits of teachings, and think we have the whole picture and call it our own. We try to reinvent ancient teaching to reinvent ourselves, to shine out.

It is said that teachings cannot be destroyed from the outside, but they can be destroyed from the inside. The west has had distortions put into it, not least of all the spiritual community.

There is no need to be touchy about being a westerner. We are very sharp, our minds are very fast, we are energised. But we are also very emotional. It is here that we as westerners have to work.

Pride, jealously, anger, fear and ignorance is what we seem to live on. If a statement is made and people take it personally, that is ego reacting. This is merely the emotions in control. Spiritual work is very subtle, we have to use our sharpness to look more closely at our own minds.

All the best,
Tony

[ViralSpiral]

I appreciate the candor and tone of your post, Tony but I wonder how you engage in lively discussion with others of differing viewpoints without accepting the potentiality of difference occurring? But I`m also aware that most real growth occurs when people are pressed to really consider what they believe, and that often only becomes clear when one is forced to defend one`s ideas.


Presenting one's ideas, which as you correctly state, comes with having to accept potential differences of opinion. Through our interaction and defending of ideas, we grow. Sometimes we cannot give up what is deeply etched, but we can "un"peel some of the layers. Tony offers perspectives from his learning, which he is still learning...... me thinks....



I am off to sharpen my weapon ;)

[Tony]

I appreciate the candor and tone of your post, Tony but I wonder how you engage in lively discussion with others of differing viewpoints without accepting the potentiality of difference occurring? But I`m also aware that most real growth occurs when people are pressed to really consider what they believe, and that often only becomes clear when one is forced to defend one`s ideas.


Presenting one's ideas, which as you correctly state, comes with having to accept potential differences of opinion. Through our interaction and defending of ideas, we grow. Sometimes we cannot give up what is deeply etched, but we can "un"peel some of the layers. Tony offers perspectives from his learning, which he is still learning...... me thinks....



I am off to sharpen my weapon ;)

Everything is the teacher.

The teacher plays the part of a mirror. Whenever we are involved in any of self-deception, it is necessary that the whole process be revealed, opened. Any grasping attitude must be exposed. You must accept yourself as you are, instead of what you would like to be, which means giving up self deception and wishful thinking.

Until enlightenment we will always be students. The student becomes the teacher, who in turn becomes the student.......! Gradually we learn, and learning is painful..but we learn.

[kevlar]

Hi pie'n'eal

appreciate everyone's viewpoints -could we add acceptance into the mix?:hug:


we are all related

Nora
Hello Nora,
Well of course acceptance, and to appreciate others. What I was referring to was, people who acquire a little information, and use it to lord it over others. Its a sort of bullying. You know the sort of thing! They might even use the term IMHO,
Which of course they do not mean at all!

It's really being antagonistic. Love 'em, yes of course...but you do not need them to wipe their feet all over you!

Tony

I agree except that some people may actually have humble opinions.

love kevlar

[Tony]

Hi pie'n'eal

appreciate everyone's viewpoints -could we add acceptance into the mix?:hug:


we are all related

Nora
Hello Nora,
Well of course acceptance, and to appreciate others. What I was referring to was, people who acquire a little information, and use it to lord it over others. Its a sort of bullying. You know the sort of thing! They might even use the term IMHO,
Which of course they do not mean at all!

It's really being antagonistic. Love 'em, yes of course...but you do not need them to wipe their feet all over you!

Tony

I agree except that some people may actually have humble opinions.

love kevlar

Dear Kevlar,
You are right, everyone should be respected! There may be jewels in those genuine humble opinions, deep intuitive insights that need to be dug out, and opened up. This is what I mean, instead of being put down.

Within that humble opinion is wisdom!!!!

Love,
Tony

[laughs-last]

Hi Tony, cool thread. Do you think there could be a middle ground, a useful fusion of the eastern way and the western way? that being passion without the emphasis on the self? Just curious :)

ONE LOVE, BIG HUGZ and NOBODY :jester:

[Tony]

Hi Tony, cool thread. Do you think there could be a middle ground, a useful fusion of the eastern way and the western way? that being passion without the emphasis on the self? Just curious :)

ONE LOVE, BIG HUGZ and NOBODY :jester:


Great question, the answer is yes!!!! There is a path of desire, without attachment. And yes, there is movement for the west to stand on it's own two feet. I shall dig out some notes on it.

Best wishes,
Tony

[NancyV]

I appreciate the candor and tone of your post, Tony but I wonder how you engage in lively discussion with others of differing viewpoints without accepting the potentiality of difference occurring? Since we are works in progress and this world is a place for lessons, why should PA not be a place where conflict extends to the arena of ideas and we undergo our lessons, whatever they might be, in the company of others more or less consciously undertaking the same? There is an excellent moderation staff here who keeps things more or less civil and practically all I`ve witnessed here interacting are generally cognizant of good manners and respectable discourse.

You always present wonderful topics for consideration, I appreciate your exhortations toward greater compassion and a safe atmosphere for spiritual exploration. But I`m also aware that most real growth occurs when people are pressed to really consider what they believe, and that often only becomes clear when one is forced to defend one`s ideas.
Well said, Rahkyt! One often learns most quickly in a heated debate with intense emotions involved. What's really fun is if you can argue intensely then end up laughing with the person you're engaging with. Conflict can create more understanding of yourself and others. Defending your ideas makes you think more about them and refuting others ideas makes you consider their perspective more. You might remain dismissive of their ideas if you don't engage in a debate with them.

I tend to consider that this earth is a battleground where we are engaging in strife much of the time. Perhaps strife and fear are powerful catalysts which push humans into becoming more spiritually aware. I would not wish to deprive them/us of these valuable lessons. It's all a game and I enjoy all aspects of the game.

Hopefully we will remain fairly civil here on the forum, but out in the world there are times I do NOT remain civil. A few well chosen words and some powerful energy can avert an otherwise more negative situation. For example: not too long ago my husband, Mikal, was in a gas station store paying for a purchase. A very nervous and suspicious looking man walked up near to the counter and Mikal observed his energy, saw what looked like a gun in his pocket and decided to avert what might be a negative situation. He went over to the man and leaned over to say quietly into his ear "If you pull that gun I'll rip your f#$#ing head off and shove it down your neck." Of course he had to use what I call "the voice". If you hear that voice it's very scary! LOL... So the man looked very terrified (which was wise), turned around and ran out of the store.

When you think about it, this was probably the fastest and most compassionate thing Mikal could have done. If he had not done this and the man pulled the gun and tried to rob the store, he would have gotten hurt and gone to jail after a stop at the hospital (since Mikal would have stopped him, probably rather painfully). Then Mikal would have been inconvenienced by having to spend a lot of time dealing with the police. This was the best outcome with the least amount of violence for all involved AND as a bonus the potential robber hopefully learned a good lesson.

My point is, compassion is often difficult to recognize.

Nancy :)

[Tony]

Hi Tony, cool thread. Do you think there could be a middle ground, a useful fusion of the eastern way and the western way? that being passion without the emphasis on the self? Just curious :)

ONE LOVE, BIG HUGZ and NOBODY :jester:


Great question, the answer is yes!!!! There is a path of desire, without attachment. And yes, there is movement for the west to stand on it's own two feet. I shall dig out some notes on it.

Best wishes,
Tony

Dear Laughs Last,

I knew there was something important about your question, but yesterday I couldn't quite put my finger on it... Passion and the West. This morning, during meditation I suddenly burst out laughing -
the dots joined up! So thank you for your question, and attitude.

Questions on this forum are so, so, important! They stir the mind, and put one in a slightly uncomfortable position, just outside the comfort zone. They sort of...produce an… atmosphere.... something magical… erm … of opening up, that one just cannot do on one's own! Yes, that it!

So, you mentioned about passion, and I said that I'd look in my notes. Well, I'm sitting there in meditation, doing a Vajra Kiliya practice (Tibetan Buddhism), and I suddenly realised that the basis of that very practice is passion! I was sitting on the answer!!!

To simplify: there is a story of a King and his servant who go to a yogi for teaching. The King wanted a practice where he can still enjoy sensual pleasures. The King asked, “Is there such a practice?” The yogi said. “Yes, there is. But it is important to understand that it goes together with non-attachment.”
The servant understood this, and eventually became enlightened.
The King totally misunderstood, and did whatever he liked, just taking what he wanted, and killing.
The King ended up in hell for eons and eons, going through many stages until he agreed to be subjugated by Vajra Kiliya. The practice of Vajra Kiliya is all about subjugating demons.
So this is why some teachings are kept secret because people easily misunderstand. This is just between me and you of course!

Now we come to the West. I am only a student and am just repeating what I have been told. The teachings have to be expressed differently in the West and in the East. The East is very open but sleepy, so they need certain practices to help that. If one told people in the West to be more alert, they would go crazy,...we are already alert enough!!! (and look at the state we are in!)

The problem with the West is emotions. In the West we are very bright, but the emotions are in control. If you want to control people, you boost their emotions.

This is why being aware of the emotions is emphasised so much.
For example, consider pride, which means “I am better than You.”
I know more than you, I have a bigger house than you, I speak better than you, I have more money than you. IT IS ALL ABOUT ME!

From pride comes anger, and from anger comes hatred. If there is Pride, in no way can there be compassion! In the West we have to learn to transform the emotions, to be able to stand on our own two feet. We have to understand the very subtle play of Pride, Jealousy, Anger, Aversion and Ignorance. This is painful work, and this is why we need support.

If anyone says that they do not need teachings, this is the height of arrogance. Of course, there does come a time of no more learning: once you have been shown how to kick a ball, you just 'play'.
It is important to have a deep gratitude for the teachings, which is a form of devotion – which is turn produces blessings. I can absolutely vouch for this.

If you do not retaliate when the world throws stuff at you, and you understand the processes, then you know you are on firm ground.

Love is all there is.
These are not just words!
We have much to learn.

Tony

[laughs-last]

Cheers tony, I guess an east/west fusion would enable the person to have an inner stillness based on no desire, while giving them boundless energy to bring compassion into the world, for it's own sake. Often I have heard that true altruism doesn't exist, that we all have some motive/desire for our actions; could such a person who had passion without desire be an example of true altruism?

ONE LOVE, BIG HUGZ and HUGGING THE VOID :jester:

[Tony]

Cheers tony, I guess an east/west fusion would enable the person to have an inner stillness based on no desire, while giving them boundless energy to bring compassion into the world, for it's own sake. Often I have heard that true altruism doesn't exist, that we all have some motive/desire for our actions; could such a person who had passion without desire be an example of true altruism?

ONE LOVE, BIG HUGZ and HUGGING THE VOID :jester:
Hello,
Until the moment of enlightenment we will some sort of desire. Wishing everyone to be happy is a desire! That very wish is altruistic, if it done with no expectation. Without the passion to know, we would not evolve!!!!
In practice we have to use a little ego, called the mere "I". Which different from the reified I...a belief in a solid I.

If you hug the void, you hug yourself!

Tony

[efields]

Spirituality has been the Greatest weapon invented yet. Or maybe 'our corruption' of Spirituality is what serves the Controllers SO WELL.

The Public attends Mass, while Priests get BlowJobs from children... and we build Churches of Gold and Jewels while the Poor starve.. Good One, planet Earth..

[The Arthen]

Spirituality has been the Greatest weapon invented yet. Or maybe 'our corruption' of Spirituality is what serves the Controllers SO WELL.

The Public attends Mass, while Priests get BlowJobs from children... and we build Churches of Gold and Jewels while the Poor starve.. Good One, planet Earth..



wahahahaha i could just imagine the way you say it in person.

[Tarka the Duck]

Spirituality has been the Greatest weapon invented yet. Or maybe 'our corruption' of Spirituality is what serves the Controllers SO WELL.

The Public attends Mass, while Priests get BlowJobs from children... and we build Churches of Gold and Jewels while the Poor starve.. Good One, planet Earth..

Yes, of course people have been manipulated and exploited by "religions".

But I think Pie was talking about the way in which we, as individuals, may be tempted to use any knowledge of understanding we may have acquire as weapons - thus forgetting the vital ingredient of compassion.

[laughs-last]

Thx Tony, (hugs self ;) ) I find the I for me is only a part of conversation, as a point of reference in relation to communicating with others. It is kinda hard when communicating with others to avoid it, especially if they seek constant affirmation of them selves; especially the asking of the question 'what do you think?' Sometimes the use of a persona makes it easier to interact, and puts people at ease, as they expect you to act/react in a certain way; this is necessary sometimes to avoid upseting people, who find a lack of reaction to certain situations unnerving. The lack of reaction would not mean a lack of compassion, however such non-reaction is often seen as being 'cold'. In India I never had such problems as people were comfortable with quite and calm, however in the UK people find silence unreving and awkward. Amusing :)

ONE LOVE, BIG HUGZ and GOLDEN SILENCE :jester:

[ThePythonicCow]

He went over to the man and leaned over to say quietly into his ear "If you pull that gun I'll rip your f#$#ing head off and shove it down your neck."I'm guessing that even if the man didn't speak a word of English ... he got the message ... loud and clear ;)

[Tony]

Thx Tony, (hugs self ;) ) I find the I for me is only a part of conversation, as a point of reference in relation to communicating with others. It is kinda hard when communicating with others to avoid it, especially if they seek constant affirmation of them selves; especially the asking of the question 'what do you think?' Sometimes the use of a persona makes it easier to interact, and puts people at ease, as they expect you to act/react in a certain way; this is necessary sometimes to avoid upseting people, who find a lack of reaction to certain situations unnerving. The lack of reaction would not mean a lack of compassion, however such non-reaction is often seen as being 'cold'. In India I never had such problems as people were comfortable with quite and calm, however in the UK people find silence unreving and awkward. Amusing :)

ONE LOVE, BIG HUGZ and GOLDEN SILENCE :jester:

Dear LaughsLast,

You pose another interesting question. The thing I love about Buddhism, is that it takes everything apart, a bit like Occam's razor...simplify!

When saying not to react, this doesn't mean not to respond... we are interacting now! It's about noticing what is actually going on. What I'm about to say may sound long winded but this happens very fast.

The first instance of noticing something through the senses, which is perceived by the mind, immediately goes to our memory bank of past experiences to identify what is seen. But almost immediately a judgement arises, do we like it, dislike it or shall I ignore it.

This is our habitual reaction. We work from our habitual memory bank of acquired information. This memory bank has been set up for a very long time. This is were we get our opinions, most of it put there by the subliminal world around us!

If we can interrupt that habitual cycle, of behaviour, then a new direction will be available to us, something more creative! A new you! Instead of holding onto the old idea of you.
In fact you dissolve from the picture...for a moment!

Tony

[jorr lundstrom]

Thx Tony, (hugs self ;) ) I find the I for me is only a part of conversation, as a point of reference in relation to communicating with others. It is kinda hard when communicating with others to avoid it, especially if they seek constant affirmation of them selves; especially the asking of the question 'what do you think?' Sometimes the use of a persona makes it easier to interact, and puts people at ease, as they expect you to act/react in a certain way; this is necessary sometimes to avoid upseting people, who find a lack of reaction to certain situations unnerving. The lack of reaction would not mean a lack of compassion, however such non-reaction is often seen as being 'cold'. In India I never had such problems as people were comfortable with quite and calm, however in the UK people find silence unreving and awkward. Amusing :)

ONE LOVE, BIG HUGZ and GOLDEN SILENCE :jester:

If you care for a cup of coffee or two, drop in. Im always here.:hug: