Why Eckhart Tolle isn't a member of Avalon ?

[Black Panther]

Many years ago I started reading books of Eckhart Tolle and that's why I finally ended up here on Avalon. I've read a lot of his books, but "The Power Of Now" and "A New Earth" are my favorite ones. I've read them several times. For me those books are magical, because it's like meditating by reading them. He wrote them after he woke up. He couldn't live with himself (the ego) any longer. He stepped out of the ego and the next morning he suddenly saw how beautiful the sunbeams were, coming through the window and for the first time he really enjoyed the tsjirping of the birds. With most of us it is a gradual process, but Eckhart magically ascended overnight. (and it wasn't 28-10-11 or 11-11-11 :p)

He isn't a member of Avalon (as far as I know :)) and I think he doesn't know much about the real history of mankind and about the bloodlines, illuminati etc. But it doesn't matter, because he already found what we all are looking for, inside. We all know that the real truth lies within, but we keep looking for it on this forum, on the internet. Outside ourselves. I don't want to say I'm different, because I can confess I'm addicted to this forum and I like to watch all the videos about all kind of alternative subjects :o. But that's a big paradox and I'm thinking about it for quite some time.

Somehow I always knew what happened to Eckhart would happen to me. He was 29 years old so I expected something around that age. It took me a little bit longer, but I finally saw the light. But I'm still looking for a lot of answers. Though I woke up, there is still a lot of ego left :)

I'm a member of Eckhart Tolle TV and I watch his monthly videos. It always resonates and it makes me feel good. By reading all the threads on this forum a lot of times I end up tired and with mixed feelings. Though I want to stay a member and I want to read the "Today's Posts" :).

Maybe because it's the end of the Pisces / Duality world it will change if we all enter the Aquarius / Oneness world.

[johnf]

Thanks for expressing similar feelings to mine Black Panther,
My favorite mouth piece for the message of who we really are and the real solution beneath all the problems we are disturbed by has been Mooji. More traditional package, same message. A few days ago I was confronted with the unacceptability of some of my more combatative personality traits and was really scared by how persistent and recurring they were. The next day someone posted an interview with Eckhart where he tells the story of being very stressed out and having the stress rise in front of him in the form of the thought "I can't live with myself". I found that really fascinating for a while and tried to fit it into my situation.
My interpretation is a little different than yours. What arose for me was that the false self that i often identify with could not live with the real, underlying self, and was therefore trying to offer various forms of suicide all my life, and getting antagonistic with others and finding myself continually drawn into arguments with others.
The fact for me is that the real self doesn't find any other self real or imagined to be a problem for it. It recognizes itself in any phenomena that happens to arise within it.
My attention drawn to videos and threads here and elsewhere that show external enemies that have decided they can't live with the rest of us any longer.
The underlying solution of repeatedly falling back into the real self , and acknowledging the peace that I find there is the only real unchanging solution that I have found anywhere. Any program or action in the daily world has never been anything but an outer approximation of that solution as it seems to apply to the present situation in peoples lives.
I am hoping that the amount of time spent in realizing that Any thought about another self having to go is just the ego being frightened by the unified peaceful self.

[modwiz]

I work/live at an Institute that considers Tolle one of our guiding lights. Pir Vilayat Khan and Ram Das were two of the founders.

Good thread here with excellent points.

The false self can be very entertaining if kept in check and noted for what it is. Kind of like a dog humping and peeing on things.

[christian]

Eckhart magically ascended overnight. (and it wasn't 28-10-11 or 11-11-11 :p)

[...]

He was 29 years old so I expected something around that age.

[...]

Maybe because it's the end of the Pisces / Duality world it will change if we all enter the Aquarius / Oneness world.

You are funny, on one side you find certain dates are not that important and on the other side you expected something around a certain age. :biggrin1: But I kind of agree.
I figure, certain opportunities are easier to grasp during certain constellations but at the end of the day self-aware fragments of the whole must stand up to their self-responsibility.

You make a good point, I think, the prime objective is a spiritual evolution, everything else when it comes to the society and all the rest of it is merely a byproduct. There will not be a truly peaceful and prosperous society without the appropriate spiritual evolvement.

[greybeard]

There are a few of his videos on the enlightenment thread.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-The-Ego-what-is-it-How-to-transcend-it.&p=7764&viewfull=1#post7764

I was fortunate enough to have breakfast with him and Kim.
He is a gentleman in every regard.
Chris

[Calz]

There are a few of his videos on the enlightenment thread.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-The-Ego-what-is-it-How-to-transcend-it.&p=7764&viewfull=1#post7764

I was fortunate enough to have breakfast with him and Kim.
He is a gentleman in every regard.
Chris

Hi Chris ... somehow I just knew you would pop in here.

Didn't want to post it first as "predictions" are now cannon fodder :)

Bless you for all you have brought to this forum over the years :thumb:

[greybeard]

When he gave his London talk, some years back, he said that the human race is on the verge of the biggest step forward in evolution since we became mammals.
That is big--- He did not go into detail of any kind.

Regards Chris.

[conk]

I love his sense of humor. So dry and so pointed. Very entertaining speaker. Great books. Thanks for the reminder, I need to re-read some of them as well.

[johnf]

Eckhart magically ascended overnight. (and it wasn't 28-10-11 or 11-11-11 :p)
Maybe because it's the end of the Pisces / Duality world it will change if we all enter the Aquarius / Oneness world.

Eckhart does not mention ascension in his story of his change from depression and any other video or text of his that I have read or watched. (I have just come back from buying his book The power of Now, so I might find the word there. I do not think he has ascended, and I have never really seen a description of ascension as part of a plain description of personal experience. It has allways been used as description of something that was in the past happening to someone else, or in the future happening to someone that doesn't exist in the present.
When Eckhart talks about mankinds future as one which is an outer world designed on the foundation of universal inner peace. He doesn't mention 2012, 11/11/11, or 10/28/11. I think these dates are important because they are part of the human superconscious placing clues in our societal control systems (calenders, clocks, perception of time). That relate to changes in the galaxy and solar system that make it more urgent for our species to change so deeply and completely that it will appear to be a completely different species. As a side effect of this change we will probably not have to suffer as much as we will if we don't change as a species.
Thats why I like to spend much more time on messengers like Eckhart Tolle, Mooji, as well as the famous example of peaceful external change, Mahatmas Ghandi.

All these examples seem to be pointing the way not pointing the finger.
I would like to see more of that on this forum, and how much of that i see is probably a function of what I am doing with what i see here in my self, in my heart, and in the sometimes cluttered space in between my ears.

[meeradas]

I'm not convinced this here is
Outside ourselves

To me, it's more like a focal point [only seemingly 'externalized'].

or

a preferred subsitute to the remainders of 'self monologue'.

[onawah]

Two winters ago, I spent many hours listening to Eckhart Tolle tapes. I have "A New Earth" on tape, and I taped his series from the Oprah shows.
I found it very interesting to hear him interact with the callers with their questions. It added a whole new dimension to my understanding of him.
And I have listened to The Power of Now on tape many times, and have read the books as well.
I can still remember when I read his first book some years ago and how very appropriate his message was at the time.
Such a lovely soul with a simply, clearly expressed, yet very profound message to share, that has definitely supported me in my own process.
Whether we call it awakening or ascension, it's not that different in essence, but much depends on the era in which we are living as to how it all unfolds.

[Carmody]

I work/live at an Institute that considers Tolle one of our guiding lights. Pir Vilayat Khan and Ram Das were two of the founders.

Good thread here with excellent points.

The false self can be very entertaining if kept in check and noted for what it is. Kind of like a dog humping and peeing on things.

That is why we love Monty Python soooo much.

[NancyV]

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Thats why I like to spend much more time on messengers like Eckhart Tolle, Mooji, as well as the famous example of peaceful external change, Mahatmas Ghandi.
All these examples seem to be pointing the way not pointing the finger....

My first experience of "enlightenment" or "ascension" was at age 33 and after the first one there were many many more. Like Tolle I spent years in and out of a state of bliss until I decided to live more fully in this world to raise my children. Seems like around age 29-35 is a more common age for many to experience this awakening although one can, of course, be older or younger. Everyone who experiences oneness does not become a teacher, in fact few become teachers. We are fortunate there are a few who attempt to explain things in words, which is difficult to do.

I like Eckhart Tolle and Mooji is awesome! In this short video he expresses how I feel about life and living in the now moment.

Forget About Enlightenment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pS_wPeDxDQ

Speaking of Mahatma Ghandi, the following was sent to me a few days ago and illustrates potential challenges facing an enlightened human:

"Mahatma Gandhi, as you know, walked barefoot most of the time, which produced an impressive set of calluses on his feet. He also ate very little, which made him rather frail and with his odd diet he suffered from bad breath. This made him (oh, man, this is so bad, it's good)...
A super-calloused fragile mystic hexed by halitosis."

Okay, that was absurd, but I have a rather warped sense of humor.....and if you don't get the play on words it comes from the song:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b-Z0SSyUcw

[Anno]

[...]I think he doesn't know much about the real history of mankind and about the bloodlines, illuminati etc.[...]

He does, he just doesn't talk about it. If you check out the recordings of some of his retreats (available as audiobooks) you can hear people in the question sessions bringing it up. My understanding is that he knows all about it but doesn't talk about it because it simply doesn't matter.

It is the 'pain body' that is addicted to the drama, fear and oppression of such topics and discussing them ad nauseum on forums is simply feeding your pain body. By focussing on the illuminati or whoever you are creating that reality for yourself because it's on your mind all the time. Your true self doesn't care because it knows it doesn't matter and you have a free choice.

There's simply too much noise here for Tolle's silence to be heard. I'd be very suprised if he didn't read here though.

As a side topic, someone mentioned Enlightenment and Ascension as being synonyms for the same phenomena. That worries me. If you were enlightened you can carry on living in the physical world, the change is that you have no fear or negativity anymore. Ascension implies leaving what we have to go to something better.

With enlightenment you change. With ascension you change your environment. It's escapist fantasy designed to milk money out of the spiritually lazy if you ask me. Buy the dvd or go to the seminar and await the mothership to save you.
Enlightenment is free and happens as soon as you stop looking for it and realise that you've already had it all along.

[PamelaB]

U sound like a beautiful soul! Not to burst your bubble but "if" you had attained Tolle's level you would not be on this forum or watching his tv show.
If u were out of ego u wouldn't be searching.

Sweet dreams though.

My ego still controls or I wouldn't be here as well.

[jack]

Enlightenment is to sit in one place forever without ever feeling the need to move.

Ive been in that place numerous times, kind of like slipping in and out of a coma, the coma being life. When in that state nothing needs to be done, the universe takes care of everything, no thinking is required, just pure joy and presence. It is the answer to all humanities problems, and the more that find this place within the easier it will be for more to follow.

[NancyV]

As a side topic, someone mentioned Enlightenment and Ascension as being synonyms for the same phenomena. That worries me. If you were enlightened you can carry on living in the physical world, the change is that you have no fear or negativity anymore. Ascension implies leaving what we have to go to something better.

With enlightenment you change. With ascension you change your environment. It's escapist fantasy designed to milk money out of the spiritually lazy if you ask me. Buy the dvd or go to the seminar and await the mothership to save you.
Enlightenment is free and happens as soon as you stop looking for it and realise that you've already had it all along.
Enlightenment and Ascension have many meanings and I'm not sure nor do I care what they mean because the words don't have much to do with the reality. Yes, enlightenment, whatever it means, is free and I agree we all have it all along. It indicates an awakening to the greater self as part of the Source, among other things.

One of the meanings of "ascension" might be that you change your "location" or environment, possibly after physical death, and go "up" into the higher vibrational realms and merge with the Source. You can also do that in out of body travels and then come back into your body.

Some religious teachings portray ascension as something God does to you, removing your body AND soul from the earth into higher realms. Personally I can't see any reason to have a hunk of meat ascend! LOL...

Others describe ascension as raising your vibrational frequency to the point where your body disappears (the higher vibrational frequency makes matter less dense so it becomes invisible to human sight ) and your soul ascends to higher realms. The Celestine Prophecy describes ascension somewhat in this fashion.

Once you merge with the Source that doesn't mean you stay there. The Source creates, it comes into the creation. It IS the Creation. We all come back into the creation. You may think that once one is in a state of union with the Source they would not return to a human or other worldly or other dimensional life, but that is something you don't really know until you've done it and remembered. There is no END goal. It's all cyclical....You become aware of being one with everything, the Source... then you come into the creation and your awareness shifts. That's what we are doing and we're ALL doing this.

Of course we are actually within the Source and here in the creation concurrently and we are all one so there really is no separation. For some reason we LIKE this game where it seems like we are separate, otherwise we wouldn't be doing it. So we might as well have fun while we're here in this state of consciousness where we forget the greater reality.

I like the Zen saying: "Before enlightenment chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment chop wood, carry water.

[johnf]

My take is that enlightenment is letting go of the false self forever, and acsension is learning to percieve and live on a higher level or plane without leaving this one. I think (whenever mankind gets there ) we will be able to travel on other planes and come back and use that information here.

[realitycorrodes]

My intuition tells me Eckhart Tolle is a complete fraud as a genuine enlightened being! I have no proof. But just in case anyone else thinks he's a fraud but is too frightened to chirp up because of all the "followers" I thought I would make the first stand. I will not debate this opinion of mine as I have nothing to debate with. So this will be it for me. Wishing you all well.

If anyone has not realised what the real deal looks like...check out below

http://api.ning.com/files/vqfTY5ZlyIH0aVoSn-zCnR0vKQgWqOz2awcxOslvCQsSETjRBqKH1M7umkr4IQMInvZc jtboJ3N3oUxK6*b6Q0pjo1DwZvXL/Picture131.jpg


Ok, so I don't know how this "insert picture" feature works. Some imperfection left to fix! Damn

[Star1111]

My intuition tells me Eckhart Tolle is a complete fraud as a genuine enlightened being! I have no proof. But just in case anyone else thinks he's a fraud but is too frightened to chirp up because of all the "followers" I thought I would make the first stand. I will not debate this opinion of mine as I have nothing to debate with. So this will be it for me. Wishing you all well.

If anyone has not realised what the real deal looks like...check out below

http://api.ning.com/files/vqfTY5ZlyIH0aVoSn-zCnR0vKQgWqOz2awcxOslvCQsSETjRBqKH1M7umkr4IQMInvZc jtboJ3N3oUxK6*b6Q0pjo1DwZvXL/Picture131.jpg


Ok, so I don't know how this "insert picture" feature works. Some imperfection left to fix! Damn

Now, its very interesting that you say that realitycorrodes because I have only seen a snippet of Mr Tolle on Oprah (just surfing the www as they say). I have bought the book "The power of now" that I intend to read.
To get to my point - something or somone is trying to give me a message about Ekhart and I'm not sure what it is. So that is why I am going to read the book.
However, for some strange reason I had an instant reaction to him that to be honest didn't feel positive and I DON'T KNOW WHY.
I may have got the message wrong and it might be that I SHOULD read the books and listen to what he has to say, but I just got this very strong sence of 'aversion' for want of a better word, which from time to time I do get about people and I have to say with modesty that it is often correct...................

Still I want to be fair and I am going to give him the benefit of my doubt and then I'll know either way.

What makes YOU say you think he is a fraud?

Much LOVE

[meeradas]

If anyone has not realised what the real deal looks like...check out below
skinny sadhu.jpg (http://api.ning.com/files/vqfTY5ZlyIH0aVoSn-zCnR0vKQgWqOz2awcxOslvCQsSETjRBqKH1M7umkr4IQMInvZc jtboJ3N3oUxK6*b6Q0pjo1DwZvXL/Picture131.jpg)


Just another deceptive cover.
In no way does this depict enlightenment
[not judging the qualitites of the man here, which i can't; just talking about the pic].

[Black Panther]

You are funny

Thank you :p


..on one side you find certain dates are not that important and on the other side you expected something around a certain age. :biggrin1: But I kind of agree.

I think 10-28-2011 and 11-11-11 are important dates, but nothing visible will happen on exactly those days. If I look at the Maya Calendar / Prophecies there is definitely some truth in it, we can all see and feel it this year. As we approach 10-28-2011 and 11-11-11 more and more is happening individual as well as on a global scale.



My first experience of "enlightenment" or "ascension" was at age 33 and after the first one there were many many more. Like Tolle I spent years in and out of a state of bliss until I decided to live more fully in this world to raise my children. Seems like around age 29-35 is a more common age for many to experience this awakening although one can, of course, be older or younger.


I think so too. I’ve found this on a website:

Spiritual awakening around age 30
A friend is telling me how funny it is that a number of people seem to have their "spiritual transformation" around age 30. I write: "It's an age (turn of generation) where a lot of illusions drop – you know that now you are grown up, no more "becoming". If you are not yourself now, then when? No more excuses, no more "when I’m grown up". You know you are an adult, your parents are retiring, becoming old, etc... So it's a favorable age for a spiritual transformation! (Buddha was 29 when he "came out", Jesus was 30 when he started teaching, etc).

Source: http://whatsinyourmind.typepad.com/whatsinyourmind/2005/02/spiritual_awake.html

[Black Panther]

There are a few of his videos on the enlightenment thread.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-The-Ego-what-is-it-How-to-transcend-it.&p=7764&viewfull=1#post7764

I was fortunate enough to have breakfast with him and Kim.
He is a gentleman in every regard.
Chris

Thanks for the tip. I've seen the title of the thread many times, but I've never read one post.
I wondered why there isn't much too find about Eckhart here, but now I know where to go.

Breakfast with him and Kim :) I always wonder how it feels to meet him. I listened to a lecture
of Eckhart in Rotterdam last year in "The Month of Spirituality". That was great!


U sound like a beautiful soul! Not to burst your bubble
but "if" you had attained Tolle's level you would
not be on this forum or watching his tv show.
If u were out of ego u wouldn't be searching.

Sweet dreams though.

My ego still controls or I wouldn't be here as well.

I've never said I've attained Eckhart's level:


I don't want to say I'm different, because I can confess I'm addicted to this forum and I like to watch all the videos
about all kind of alternative subjects :o. But that's a big paradox and I'm thinking about it for quite some time.


Though I woke up, there is still a lot of ego left :)

[onawah]

I had an aversion reaction to Tolle at first, but so many people kept saying how wonderful his books and tapes were, that I finally read and listened.
I think my aversion was to the very thing that he found in himself that made him so unhappy and spurred him into the process that changed him into a very different kind of person.
Before the metamorphosis, he was completely identified with his intellect.
Being a Cambridge educated scholar, breaking away from that was not an easy thing to do.
From a proud (though miserable), egocentric, status-obsessed academic, he became a contented, humble, heart-centered, STO-oriented teacher who now employs his intellect to share his insights and the classical ancient teachings of wisdom, updated for today.
The trappings of the Cambridge scholar are still there- the accent, the vocabulary, etc., but underneath is a sincere heart and a brilliant mind, put now to very good use in service to humanity.
IMHO



My intuition tells me Eckhart Tolle is a complete fraud as a genuine enlightened being! I have no proof. But just in case anyone else thinks he's a fraud but is too frightened to chirp up because of all the "followers" I thought I would make the first stand. I will not debate this opinion of mine as I have nothing to debate with. So this will be it for me. Wishing you all well.

If anyone has not realised what the real deal looks like...check out below

http://api.ning.com/files/vqfTY5ZlyIH0aVoSn-zCnR0vKQgWqOz2awcxOslvCQsSETjRBqKH1M7umkr4IQMInvZc jtboJ3N3oUxK6*b6Q0pjo1DwZvXL/Picture131.jpg


Ok, so I don't know how this "insert picture" feature works. Some imperfection left to fix! Damn

Now, its very interesting that you say that realitycorrodes because I have only seen a snippet of Mr Tolle on Oprah (just surfing the www as they say). I have bought the book "The power of now" that I intend to read.
To get to my point - something or somone is trying to give me a message about Ekhart and I'm not sure what it is. So that is why I am going to read the book.
However, for some strange reason I had an instant reaction to him that to be honest didn't feel positive and I DON'T KNOW WHY.
I may have got the message wrong and it might be that I SHOULD read the books and listen to what he has to say, but I just got this very strong sence of 'aversion' for want of a better word, which from time to time I do get about people and I have to say with modesty that it is often correct...................

Still I want to be fair and I am going to give him the benefit of my doubt and then I'll know either way.

What makes YOU say you think he is a fraud?

Much LOVE

[NancyV]

My intuition tells me Eckhart Tolle is a complete fraud as a genuine enlightened being! I have no proof. But just in case anyone else thinks he's a fraud but is too frightened to chirp up because of all the "followers" I thought I would make the first stand. I will not debate this opinion of mine as I have nothing to debate with. So this will be it for me. Wishing you all well.

If anyone has not realised what the real deal looks like...check out below

http://api.ning.com/files/vqfTY5ZlyIH0aVoSn-zCnR0vKQgWqOz2awcxOslvCQsSETjRBqKH1M7umkr4IQMInvZc jtboJ3N3oUxK6*b6Q0pjo1DwZvXL/Picture131.jpg

Ok, so I don't know how this "insert picture" feature works. Some imperfection left to fix! Damn

I had a burning desire to see the photo you couldn't upload so I FINALLY found it after several tries, did a screen shot, saved and edited it, resized, changed from .bmp to .jpg and uploaded it!

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C'mon, RealityCorrodes, please tell me I don't have to look like this guy in order to achieve enlightenment! :p (just kidding) One does not have to be an ascetic to attain enlightenment, but if this man chooses to enjoy his enlightenment in this way, more power to him. I'll bet there are a LOT of people who look totally normal to us but they have had many experiences of merging with Source (aka enlightenment). We don't all have to write or talk about our experiences or have constant recognition.

I have always felt that any guru who talks about being egoless and enlightened while building a huge following and selling books and videos is the epitomy of hypocrisy. Sure, they will say they're doing it as a selfless service, but it's obvious that THEY want to do it, so it is a desire on their part... hence service to self. In fact I believe that everything we do, whether we think it is for others, for humanity or for the greater good, IS service to self. So service to others is service to self. That's why I refuse to use the STO or STS designations that are so popular now in some circles. LOL...

I have never been overly drawn to Tolle but since so many people are drawn to him he is serving a good purpose...so I like him in a mild sort of way. Whether he is enlightened or not is a moot point. We are all enlightened in my opinion, but just haven't all awakened to that fact.

I do know that YOU are enlightened, RealityCorrodes, but I bet you don't look like our ascetic in the above photo!
Nancy :kiss:

Steps for uploading a photo:
1. Click on the paperclip image in upper row: Attachments
2. Click on Add Files
3. Choose Files (from your computer or web address)
4. Upload
5. check the box next to your chosen image then click on INSERT INLINE

The size of your photo should be around 800X600, although I've uploaded some that are 1240Xwhatever, and I don't normally upload anything over around 200KB.

[Fred Steeves]

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I'm of a mind to go hop up on the kitchen counter and attempt this enlightening maneuver...But please, If I haven't reported back with my findings within an hour, someone call for help...:wacko:

Cheers,
Fred

[transiten]

:dance: Just watched the walls in my apartment thinking about the beautiful yellow colour and the white door-posts and what meets my eye! Same color! Will pick up yoga tomorrow, will start with something easier though. The eagle is a good one....

[realitycorrodes]

I am not knocking his teaching - as that is stolen from ancient teachings and does not belong to him (however I personally don't like his style of teaching as well - I just don't get why it takes a whole book to simple say "be present and observe oneself"??? Maybe its just me?). I am saying his story of how he came to be "awakened" IMHO is a piece of mind control designed to capture an audience of followers who actually believe the guy has some ability (in other words I don't think he has any awakening). Most gurus will make use of what is called a "hagiography" - which in my interpretation is some "fantastic story about themselves filled with miracles which cannot be proven by anyone" and yet those desperate for guidance will defer to such people ('s authority) and their hagiography because they either have not realised or are too frightened to admit that they themselves hold all the answers - its a hell of a responsibility but hey we've all got to take responsibility for ourselves sometime - why not NOW! LOL

[realitycorrodes]

NancyV I love you more than you know. I do of course have a well exercised sense of humor (the photo I uploaded had a sense of fun and sense of truth in it) and I do believe your words above moved my rib cage with the vibrations of chuckling. Thank you for illustrating your technique of getting an image to appear in front of one's eyes on the screen before us. lol

[Black Panther]

Enlightenment is to sit in one place forever without ever feeling the need to move.

Ive been in that place numerous times, kind of like slipping in and out of a coma, the coma being life. When in that state nothing needs to be done, the universe takes care of everything, no thinking is required, just pure joy and presence. It is the answer to all humanities problems, and the more that find this place within the easier it will be for more to follow.

I agree. You really have to experience it. This year I was driving and for one moment it just felt great, without any good reason. I thought: This is what Eckhart is trying to explain. That's how he drives his car :). It's that simple, though it's very tough to 'reach' that state :rolleyes:

[Davidallany]

That is why we love Monty Python soooo much.
I can't stand Monty Python.

[modwiz]

That is why we love Monty Python soooo much.
I can't stand Monty Python.

The English did make a mess of Iraq with their creative geography early last century. Enmity understood.
(This must be understood as very arid humor)

[Carmody]

I have never been overly drawn to Tolle but since so many people are drawn to him he is serving a good purpose...so I like him in a mild sort of way. Whether he is enlightened or not is a moot point. We are all enlightened in my opinion, but just haven't all awakened to that fact.


I found his book, the power of now, in a used goods store for $3. So I bought it and read it.

I found not one error. Good on him.

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That is why we love Monty Python soooo much.
I can't stand Monty Python.

sumpthin' rong wit yew, dave........ :p

[modwiz]

I have never been overly drawn to Tolle but since so many people are drawn to him he is serving a good purpose...so I like him in a mild sort of way. Whether he is enlightened or not is a moot point. We are all enlightened in my opinion, but just haven't all awakened to that fact.


I found his book, the power of now, in a used goods store for $3. So I bought it and read it.

I found not one error. Good on him.

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That is why we love Monty Python soooo much.
I can't stand Monty Python.

sumpthin' rong wit yew, dave........ :p

It's wit choo, not wit yew. :tsk:

Take it from a native of The Bronx.

Yeah, whadupp(sp?) wit Dave?

[Davidallany]

The English did make a mess of Iraq with their creative geography early last century. Enmity understood.
:) maybe I was a British last time, fell in love with Iraq and decided to be reborn there? Guilty as charged modwiz :)



sumpthin' rong wit yew, dave........
I blame it on GE food Carmody :)
The Lord knows, I love Are you being served. Ching Ching. Captain Peacock is my favorite. Sorry about the missing u in favorite :)

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[Lord Sidious]

U sound like a beautiful soul! Not to burst your bubble but "if" you had attained Tolle's level you would not be on this forum or watching his tv show.
If u were out of ego u wouldn't be searching.

Sweet dreams though.

My ego still controls or I wouldn't be here as well.

Not necessarily grasshopper.
What about us actors who have volunteered to come here and help others to move forwards?




That is why we love Monty Python soooo much.
I can't stand Monty Python.

The English did make a mess of Iraq with their creative geography early last century. Enmity understood.
(This must be understood as very arid humor)

The whole term ''middle east'' is one where the reference is Greenwich Observatory.
And all the borders that cause issues in the ''middle east'' today are down to the British and French.

[Tarka the Duck]

A true teacher would not make any claim to be "enlightened" or "awakened"...

[Lord Sidious]

A true teacher would not make any claim to be "enlightened" or "awakened"...

A true ''teacher'' would know that there are no teachers, only learners.
Just because someone learns from you, that doesn't necessarily mean you are a teacher.
That is an ego function.
If there were teachers, then the class would all be at the same level.

[Bright Garlick]

Black Panther - an interesting post and I can appreciate your seeking.

Don't try to move away from the ego. Let there be plenty left !!!
Ego is a concept. Explore that !
Also, if it is true, try to create an aware ego - aware of both dualistic and non dual aspects of ego.
The dual world will always exist. It is integrating dual and non dual and seeing that ONENESS IS ALREADY EVERYTHING, that allows us to wake up. Being ok with that is the key.

As you've alluded to - you don't need to know all kinds of things to wake up. In fact most awake people, don't know all that other stuff. And I would see nothing to attract someone like Eckhart Tolle to a place like PA. I also think Eckharts awakening was gradual, not sudden. Just the realization of all that he had learned was sudden.

You know everywhere around the world, indigenous people see life cycles, which match with different ages. 29 is an interesting age. As is 33 and 56 and 57 and 58 and 90 and so on. We all have the OPPORTUNITY to pass through several stages in the development of our 'incarnation' and our psyche. But not everyone realizes this or is ready at the same time. But for the most part, most of us move through predictable growth phases. The realization of our true nature can happen at any time in our life or death. It can be gradual and/or sudden.

I think Eckhart is really pointing the finger back at us or giving us the bird of enlightenment. He doesn't talk about ascension, only being in the present moment - beyond projecting into past or future. Ascension is a movement across time - as I understand the original idea. Presence requires awareness that is still and happens instantly.

Who is being ? Who is doing ? Who is the guru ?

Best wishes,

Bright. :panda:

[Tony]

Sorry to sound so trite....the teacher is everywhere!
When the student within, sees the teacher everywhere,
That which is within is the teacher.

My goodness....that sounds good!

[greybeard]

The teacher and the taught are the same.
The enlightened sage knows this the student may not.

There is only one consciousness which we all share.

I have not heard Eckhart claim enlightenment though he speaks of the shift occurring.
There is no individual person left to claim enlightenment--- it is unity consciousness
Eckhart has also said the shift is occurring or beginning to happen for many on the planet.

Regardless of ones opinion on him the teachings are valid and that surely is what is important, and they have certainly helped me and many others.

Regards Chris

[Tony]

This teacher plays the part of a mirror. Whenever we are involved in any of self-deception, it is necessary that the whole process be revealed, opened. Any grasping attitude must be exposed. You must accept yourself as you are, instead of what you would like to be, which means giving up self deception and wishful thinking.

Until enlightenment we will always be students. The student becomes the teacher, who in turn becomes the student.......! Gradually we learn, and learning is painful..but we learn.

[Fred Steeves]

Sorry to sound so trite....the teacher is everywhere!
When the student within, sees the teacher everywhere,
That which is within is the teacher.

My goodness....that sounds good!

That's pretty funny Tony. I get what you're saying, but you joking about it reminds me of a funny story Alan Watts tells. A friend of his is having a hospital stay, so Alan drops off a book of those enigmatic Zen koans for him to read. When he checks back in a couple of days, his friend says laughingly that he didn't understand a one of them, but that they cheered him up tremendously!

Cheers,
Fred

[truthseekerdan]

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[Black Panther]

[...]I think he doesn't know much about the real history of mankind and about the bloodlines, illuminati etc.[...]

He does, he just doesn't talk about it. If you check out the recordings of some of his retreats (available as audiobooks) you can hear people in the question sessions bringing it up. My understanding is that he knows all about it but doesn't talk about it because it simply doesn't matter.


That's interesting! Do you know which retreats ? I have the Findhorn Retraite dvd's, but there are no questions there.


A true teacher would not make any claim to be "enlightened" or "awakened"...
He never said he's 'a teacher'.
He never said he is 'enlightened'.
He never said he is 'awakened'.

[Tarka the Duck]

Apologies...I was only going on what people have said about him. It seemed he had an "awakening" - must have misunderstood. Sorry :o

[onawah]

Tolle makes no secret of the fact that his teachings are based on the time-honored tradition of Vedanta, as with other scholars such as Aldous Huxley;
I see no reason for criticizing that. He is merely continuing the tradition.
And yes, he did have a sudden awakening experience.
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eckhart_Tolle

"One night in 1977, at the age of 29, after having suffered from long periods of suicidal depression, Tolle says he experienced an "inner transformation."[7] That night he awakened from his sleep, suffering from feelings of depression that were "almost unbearable," but then experienced a life-changing epiphany.[9] Recounting the experience, Tolle says,

I couldn’t live with myself any longer. And in this a question arose without an answer: who is the ‘I’ that cannot live with the self? What is the self? I felt drawn into a void. I didn’t know at the time that what really happened was the mind-made self, with its heaviness, its problems, that lives between the unsatisfying past and the fearful future, collapsed. It dissolved. The next morning I woke up and everything was so peaceful. The peace was there because there was no self. Just a sense of presence or “beingness,” just observing and watching.[11]

Tolle recalls going out for a walk in London the next morning, and finding that “everything was miraculous, deeply peaceful. Even the traffic."[9] The feeling continued, and he began to feel a strong underlying sense of peace in any situation.[5] For a period of about two years after this, he spent much of his time sitting, “in a state of deep bliss," on park benches in Russell Square, Central London, "watching the world go by.” He stayed with friends, in a Buddhist monastery, or otherwise slept rough on Hampstead Heath. His family thought him “irresponsible, even insane."

I get the feeling the detractors here have not even read his work.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Sorry to bring this thread back on topic...

That's exactly the reason I stopped posting every day, and no longer visit here except a few times a week.

This forum, along with many others in this vein, is not conducive to evolving the Higher Self. It is in fact counter-productive. We all think we are not subject to the detrimental effects of mind-control, even though we all know it is being used by the PTB to great effect. Why? Why do we think we are immune to these effects?

Because we feel we are above and beyond the reach of those effects. We are not. As a matter of fact, we are more susceptible than others because[I] of our arrogance. By keeping our minds open (to new and unusual phenomena and information) we are actually [I]inviting the presence of unwanted interference - to put it mildly.

And like usual the thread is pulled off topic and waylaid by well-intentioned individuals who do not even see the significance of their actions.

Keep up the good work, oh high-numbered posters, your race to oblivion is accelerating with every post!

Peace and Love,
Ernie

[truthseekerdan]

Keep up the good work, oh high-numbered posters, your race to oblivion is accelerating with every post!

Peace and Love,
Ernie

There is no such thing as oblivion... We're all ONE -- where is the LOVE?

Namaste ~ Dan

[onawah]

I would say your own post is slightly off topic, Ernie, and I think deserves another thread.
Would you be interested in elucidating?


Sorry to bring this thread back on topic...

That's exactly the reason I stopped posting every day, and no longer visit here except a few times a week.

This forum, along with many others in this vein, is not conducive to evolving the Higher Self. It is in fact counter-productive. We all think we are not subject to the detrimental effects of mind-control, even though we all know it is being used by the PTB to great effect. Why? Why do we think we are immune to these effects?

Because we feel we are above and beyond the reach of those effects. We are not. As a matter of fact, we are more susceptible than others because[I] of our arrogance. By keeping our minds open (to new and unusual phenomena and information) we are actually [I]inviting the presence of unwanted interference - to put it mildly.

And like usual the thread is pulled off topic and waylaid by well-intentioned individuals who do not even see the significance of their actions.

Keep up the good work, oh high-numbered posters, your race to oblivion is accelerating with every post!

Peace and Love,
Ernie

[Black Panther]

Apologies...I was only going on what people have said about him. It seemed he had an "awakening" - must have misunderstood. Sorry :o


And yes, he did have a sudden awakening experience.
I get the feeling the detractors here have not even read his work.


I know the story by heart. I only try to say he doesn't talk about 'awakening' or 'enlightenment'. Words are always limited. He just shares his story without exagerating. Without wanting to be special.

We don't have to listen to his lectures and we don't have to read his books. He tries to explain we all have the knowledge inside ourselves.

[onawah]

I didn't mean that one had to read his work in order to obtain the knowledge. I just meant that it is a waste of time to criticize a work you haven't read.

[johnf]

Tolle makes no secret of the fact that his teachings are based on the time-honored tradition of Vedanta, as with other scholars such as Aldous Huxley;
I see no reason for criticizing that. He is merely continuing the tradition.
And yes, he did have a sudden awakening experience.
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eckhart_Tolle

"One night in 1977, at the age of 29, after having suffered from long periods of suicidal depression, Tolle says he experienced an "inner transformation."[7] That night he awakened from his sleep, suffering from feelings of depression that were "almost unbearable," but then experienced a life-changing epiphany.[9] Recounting the experience, Tolle says,

I couldn’t live with myself any longer. And in this a question arose without an answer: who is the ‘I’ that cannot live with the self? What is the self? I felt drawn into a void. I didn’t know at the time that what really happened was the mind-made self, with its heaviness, its problems, that lives between the unsatisfying past and the fearful future, collapsed. It dissolved. The next morning I woke up and everything was so peaceful. The peace was there because there was no self. Just a sense of presence or “beingness,” just observing and watching.[11]

Tolle recalls going out for a walk in London the next morning, and finding that “everything was miraculous, deeply peaceful. Even the traffic."[9] The feeling continued, and he began to feel a strong underlying sense of peace in any situation.[5] For a period of about two years after this, he spent much of his time sitting, “in a state of deep bliss," on park benches in Russell Square, Central London, "watching the world go by.” He stayed with friends, in a Buddhist monastery, or otherwise slept rough on Hampstead Heath. His family thought him “irresponsible, even insane."

I get the feeling the detractors here have not even read his work.
I do not find the statemnt that his teachings are based on vedanta to be very accurate. I have found his teachings to be based on his personal experience. In my own attempts to put my understand of what i have been looking for and wanting more of all my life, I have found the largest commonly referenced body of literature to be vedanta.
Eckhart talks a lot about the transitional period of time when he was trying to understand what happened to him. And during that period of time he consulted many people and texts of many schools. After a long period of this he found that he had helped others to experience their own version of spirituality, and the principles of moving towards enlightenment.
I would be interested in seeing some references of his works to the idea that his teachings are actually based in anything but his own personal experiences.

[Black Panther]

I would say your own post is slightly off topic, Ernie, and I think deserves another thread.
Would you be interested in elucidating?


Sorry to bring this thread back on topic...

That's exactly the reason I stopped posting every day, and no longer visit here except a few times a week.

This forum, along with many others in this vein, is not conducive to evolving the Higher Self. It is in fact counter-productive. We all think we are not subject to the detrimental effects of mind-control, even though we all know it is being used by the PTB to great effect. Why? Why do we think we are immune to these effects?

Because we feel we are above and beyond the reach of those effects. We are not. As a matter of fact, we are more susceptible than others because[I] of our arrogance. By keeping our minds open (to new and unusual phenomena and information) we are actually [I]inviting the presence of unwanted interference - to put it mildly.

And like usual the thread is pulled off topic and waylaid by well-intentioned individuals who do not even see the significance of their actions.

Keep up the good work, oh high-numbered posters, your race to oblivion is accelerating with every post!

Peace and Love,
Ernie

It's not off topic at all. This is what I tried to explain.
That's the paradox I talked about in my OP.
Except I tried to keep it friendly ;).

[onawah]

Apologies, Jonh F. I didn't phrase that very well.
What I meant was his personal experiences are what he tells us about, but I believe what he has said is that his experiences are no different than those which Vedanta describes, and that his philosophy is very similar to Vedanta, though he discovered the wisdom it offers through his own experience, not second hand.

I'm not sure what is on topic and what is off topic on this thread anymore. The OP would have to be the judge of that, but what Ernie brought up in the latter part of his post seems to need a thread of its own, IMHO.

[another bob]

Greetings, Friends!

Hopefully this comment will not be too off-topic, but here's a consideration, employing current terminology:

We are already always "enlightened" in our natural state of formless (non-physical) consciousness, but we temporarily (and necessarily) set aside our awakeness in order to enter into the virtual reality manifestation represented by this realm, where we come to test ourselves and plumb the depths of our beingness. Nobody has ever attained enlightenment in this realm, in very same sense that no dream character actually exists to be enlightened. Regardless of what happens in the dream, when we wake up we realize that all the drama we may have encountered is just imaginary figments which dissolve in the light of day. This is also why seeking for enlightenment here is such a contradiction, so understanding that, we can relax and play without taking ourselves so seriously. In fact, there is no such thing as enlightenment, and the full appreciation of that fact is, itself, enlightenment!

;)


Blessings!

[greybeard]

Greetings, Friends!

Hopefully this comment will not be too off-topic, but here's a consideration, employing current terminology:

We are already always "enlightened" in our natural state of formless (non-physical) consciousness, but we temporarily (and necessarily) set aside our awakeness in order to enter into the virtual reality manifestation represented by this realm, where we come to test ourselves and plumb the depths of our beingness. Nobody has ever attained enlightenment in this realm, in very same sense that no dream character actually exists to be enlightened. Regardless of what happens in the dream, when we wake up we realize that all the drama we may have encountered is just imaginary figments which dissolve in the light of day. This is also why seeking for enlightenment here is such a contradiction, so understanding that, we can relax and play without taking ourselves so seriously. In fact, there is no such thing as enlightenment, and the full appreciation of that fact is, itself, enlightenment!

;)


Blessings!

In the illusion we are not enlightened as it is a totally different state.
There is the potential, the seed of enlightenment but it may take many illusionary lifetimes for it to occur and even then its by the grace of God.
Its not a goal--- not to be sought as we cant make it happen, but we can remove obstacles.
No person remains--- Its also called God realization.

Ramesh Balsekar, an Advaita teacher, said, God gave you an ego let Him remove it.

There are levels of truth relevant to ones spiritual awakening.

Ramana said-- "The world you are trying to save does not even exist" True for him.
Try jumping off a tall building saying gravity does not exist and see what happens.
So the un enlightened must be within the world that is real for them
Jesus said "Wear the world like a loose garment" and "I have overcome the world"

The function of the enlightened teacher is to help us remove obstacles--- namely ego.
When ego is gone ignorance is removed.
The enlightened state is ego-less--- without agenda.
Its also an all knowing state which is time less and non locational--- omni present.

Most teachers will speak to you at the level your are at, sometimes dropping gems--- like.

"There was never anyone there to do anything to you"--- Eckhart Tolle said that

So you get what is practical to see you through the day and when you are ready a different level of truth will find you.

Dr David Hawkins teachings are more in depth than Eckhart's but Tolle appeals to many.
The miracle is that not so many years ago the only spiritual books on enlightenment I could find were by spiritual giants like Ramana and Nasargadatta.
Now Tolle sells millions of books------- We are growing in spiritual vibration rapidly at this time, I am very optimistic.

Chris

[onawah]

This would be a good thread for Ernie's comments. Just a suggestion.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33011-Internet-Forums-Techniques-for-dilution-misdirection-and-control...&p=337302&viewfull=1#post337302

[truthseekerdan]

Be - don't try to become. Within these two words, be and becoming, your whole life is contained. Being is enlightenment, becoming is ignorance.

Much Love

[another bob]

The function of the enlightened teacher is to help us remove obstacles--- namely ego.
When ego is gone ignorance is removed.
The enlightened state is ego-less--- without agenda.
Its also an all knowing state which is time less and non locational--- omni present.


Greetings, Friend!

There is much resonance with what you share -- we've read the same books, heard the same rap from the same yappers, but for the benefit of the ongoing inquiry, let's consider the above excerpt from your post. The concept of removing the ego is one of the main misconceptions shared by spiritual seekers, imho. There is a very good reason for the ego (which is an activity, not an entity). Without ego you would not be able to participate in the play here, and that's why we came in the first place -- to have this human experience. We already know what it is like to be egoless, dissolved in Source, utterly beyond yet inclusive of all dualism. That is in fact our native condition, but here and now we are given the tool of ego which can reach down into the crevices and nooks and crannies of our being to expose what is there. Only then has the ego has fullfilled its purpose.

Blessings!

[greybeard]

Be - don't try to become. Within these two words, be and becoming, your whole life is contained. Being is enlightenment, becoming is ignorance.

Much Love

Wish it was that easy Dan--- if it was everyone would be in that state especially the ones who just be and have never heard of enlightenment.

Eckhart said " I dont want to give the impression that you can sit watching tv with a couple of cans of beer and it will happen"

Look at his life story--- depressed, suicidal-- it did not come easy.

Most who have "instant" enlightenment had many past life times of devoted service to God, its an evolutionary process in that respect.
Also there are some who were enlightened in previous life times who volunteered to come back at this time.
Of course there is no memory of enlightenment but they do come in at a higher vibration than the average.

Good times await us --- may be sooner that we realize.
The 28th may bring something of uplifting nature.
Tolle's most recent book is not called "A new Earth" for nothing.

Love Chris

[Carmody]

Yeah, Chris..my heartbeat has been going crazy and I'm into palpitations and stopping (muscle spasms, etc) ..and the migraines are beginning.

The same way it did right at the beginning of this final cycle of the calendar.

[greybeard]

The function of the enlightened teacher is to help us remove obstacles--- namely ego.
When ego is gone ignorance is removed.
The enlightened state is ego-less--- without agenda.
Its also an all knowing state which is time less and non locational--- omni present.



Greetings, Friend!

There is much resonance with what you share -- we've read the same books, heard the same rap from the same yappers, but for the benefit of the ongoing inquiry, let's consider the above excerpt from your post. The concept of removing the ego is one of the main misconceptions shared by spiritual seekers, imho. There is a very good reason for the ego (which is an activity, not an entity). Without ego you would not be able to participate in the play here, and that's why we came in the first place -- to have this human experience. We already know what it is like to be egoless, dissolved in Source, utterly beyond yet inclusive of all dualism. That is in fact our native condition, but here and now we are given the tool of ego which can reach down into the crevices and nooks and crannies of our being to expose what is there. Only then has the ego has fullfilled its purpose.

Blessings!

Language is difficult--- the ego as you point out is an illusion but until you know that effort and dedication is required-- not to remove it but to transcend.
In order to do this the obstacles are surrender to God --- a major one being the thought that you are the author of your life-- that you are the doer.
That there is cause and effect--- all illusion within illusion.
So as Tolle says--- I tell people what is helpful.

Regards Chris

[another bob]

I tell people what is helpful.

An admirable project, for which an ego of course is a prerequisite! ;)

Imho, the root of the problem has been misdiagnosed. The "problem" is not the ego. Rather, the only dysfunctionality arises when we (mis)take the ego to be what and who we are. It's the identification with the ego activity, such that we convince ourselves of its enduring status and substantial nature, that leads directly to suffering. It's like believing that we are the body, for example, when in fact we are the indwelling principle having the body experience.

Blessings!

[greybeard]

I tell people what is helpful.

An admirable project, for which an ego of course is a prerequisite! ;)

Imho, the root of the problem has been misdiagnosed. The "problem" is not the ego. Rather, the only dysfunctionality arises when we (mis)take the ego to be what and who we are. It's the identification with the ego activity, such that we convince ourselves of its enduring status and substantial nature, that leads directly to suffering. It's like believing that we are the body, for example, when in fact we are the indwelling principle having the body experience.

Blessings!

Yes totally agree.

Chris

[truthseekerdan]

Be - don't try to become. Within these two words, be and becoming, your whole life is contained. Being is enlightenment, becoming is ignorance.

Much Love

Wish it was that easy Dan--- if it was everyone would be in that state especially the ones who just be and have never heard of enlightenment.
...

Chris, I believe you did not understand the core of the message. BEing is one's 'true nature' the essence of the Great I AM, which is Divine Love.
The illusion is when one is trying to become something else, which is the eGo.
Understanding is everything... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8689-Understanding-is-everything...)

Namaste ~ Dan

[Davidallany]

The whole term ''middle east'' is one where the reference is Greenwich Observatory.
And all the borders that cause issues in the ''middle east'' today are down to the British and French.
My Lord, I sympathize with the Engliish, French and especially the American, people. Their governments have been taking them for rides, generation after generation.

[Black Panther]

Eckhart Tolle talking with Sir Ken Robinson about 'Finding Your Element'.
A lot of things are changing in the world and a lot of change happening within,
so probably a lot of people aren't happy anymore with their jobs, relationships or
other things. Don't fight them, but let the inner world change the outer world step by step.

"It's not important what you do, it's important how you do what you do" - Eckhart Tolle

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[gooty64]

At the end of one of Eckhart's presentations, he states that this talk has not been a self-improvement/enhancement seminar rather it has been a self-diminishment seminar.

How about Eckhart Tolle for President with Adyashanti as VP?

[Black Panther]

Eckhart Tolle moment reminder:

"Sometimes surrender means giving up trying
to understand and becoming comfortable with not knowing."

Eckhart talking in depth about his own awakening:

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[RunningDeer]

My intuition tells me Eckhart Tolle is a complete fraud as a genuine enlightened being! I have no proof. But just in case anyone else thinks he's a fraud but is too frightened to chirp up because of all the "followers" I thought I would make the first stand. I will not debate this opinion of mine as I have nothing to debate with. So this will be it for me. Wishing you all well.

If anyone has not realised what the real deal looks like...check out below

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Ok, so I don't know how this "insert picture" feature works. Some imperfection left to fix! Damn

There you go, Reality Corrodes.


http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/enlightenment_zps1caf21fa.jpg

[gooty64]

pearls and turds, BP:wave:

[Fred Steeves]

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/enlightenment_zps1caf21fa.jpg


What a fraud, that man is obviously imitating my meditation posture.

[meeradas]

That guy needs... a steak.

[Flash]

When he gave his London talk, some years back, he said that the human race is on the verge of the biggest step forward in evolution since we became mammals.
That is big--- He did not go into detail of any kind.

Regards Chris.

I have heard the exact same comments, albeit with other wording, from another great soul. Unimaginable with our actual mind did he say.

[Bright Garlick]

The guy above appears to have isolated the extreme end of the spectrum of spirituality as the path and has missed the point of self awareness entirely.

Torturing the body has nothing to do with knowing reality.

Eckhart knows that better than most.

Guru business = stupid business.

:frog:

[Black Panther]

There is a book of Eckhart Tolle for children, Milton's secret:

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And now they want to make a film based on the book.
Lilou Mace interviewing Barnet Bain (known for "What Dreams May Come", "Celestine Prophecy"):

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