Gaddafi Captured

[jagman]

Gaddafi captured and wounded-NTC official
Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:21am GMT
TRIPOLI Oct 20 (Reuters) - Deposed Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi has been captured and wounded in both legs, National Transitional Council official Abdel Majid said on Thursday.

"He's captured. He's wounded in both legs ... He's been taken away by ambulance," the senior NTC military official told Reuters by telephone.

[Lord Sidious]

Damn. I hope this is only a rumour.

[KosmicKat]

After the killing, and disposal of Osama bin Laden, I can't help being reminded of the scenes in Fahrenheit 451 in which the fugitive fireman, Montag, is shown being chased down and shot, on live TV, much to Montag's own bemusement watching from a safe distance.

[Pony Express]

Reuters is reporting that he just died. He supposedly had wounds in both legs and was taken out by ambulance. We should wait for verification of his death.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Found this ...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/most-popular/headlines/2011/10/20/gaddafi-dead-mad-old-dictator-was-power-hungry-until-the-end-115875-23502394/

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/278623/Colonel-Gaddafi-is-dead

edit...sky news are saying that he has been captured, condition unknown.

edit again...they are now saying that he is probably dead...

viking

[norman]

That guy is/was a bloody hero in my eyes.

[Lord Sidious]

Well, another one is removed from the game.
He is now beyond their games.
RIP Muammar. :Cry:

[modwiz]

Found this ...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/most-popular/headlines/2011/10/20/gaddafi-dead-mad-old-dictator-was-power-hungry-until-the-end-115875-23502394/

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/278623/Colonel-Gaddafi-is-dead

edit...sky news are saying that he has been captured, condition unknown.

edit again...they are now saying that he is probably dead...

viking

Is it just me or is "probably dead" a rather inconclusive way for reporting the "news".

[Eric J (Viking)]

Found this ...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/most-popular/headlines/2011/10/20/gaddafi-dead-mad-old-dictator-was-power-hungry-until-the-end-115875-23502394/

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/278623/Colonel-Gaddafi-is-dead

edit...sky news are saying that he has been captured, condition unknown.

edit again...they are now saying that he is probably dead...

viking

Is it just me or is "probably dead" a rather inconclusive way for reporting the "news".

Yep sure is Moddy...

Typical 'Sky News' I'm afraid ...

viking

[Chucky]

Aslo here is a link I just noticed on front page from Adelaide Now news. http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/world/gaddafi-captured-in-his-home-town-say-reports/story-e6frea8l-1226172335075


Found this ...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/most-popular/headlines/2011/10/20/gaddafi-dead-mad-old-dictator-was-power-hungry-until-the-end-115875-23502394/

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/278623/Colonel-Gaddafi-is-dead

edit...sky news are saying that he has been captured, condition unknown.

edit again...they are now saying that he is probably dead...

viking

[avid]

"We don't know where he is but we hope he can be captured or killed soon, so you don't have to fear him any longer," Clinton said during a meeting with students at the University of Tripoli. "Then you have to move forward."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/18/us-libya-idUSTRE79F1FK20111018

Hillary Clinton should be totally ashamed of herself.
The criminals who have destroyed Libya for greed and profit will surely reap an horrendous reward in their 'hereafter'.

I feel totally ashamed to be British as I did NOT VOTE for us to partake in any of this atrocity. :flame:

[Corncrake]

Absolutely agree with you Avid - the whole thing stinks.

[Fred Steeves]

I can only handle this blatant manipulation and propaganda for a few minutes at a time. I can't decide whether I'm just becoming more and more aware of it, or if it really is just getting this preposterously obvious. Of course not one repeater has made mention of the "supposed" original reason for this whole thing, to prevent Khadafi's guys from raping and pillaging, was it Misrata? Now it's just repeated matter of factly that of course, the idea all along was to kill him and bring in a new government. Whatever.

One more glaring thing. The endless shots of the smiling and cheering rebels in front of the camera, going all ape s**t firing their guns and such. It's made of course to give the illusion that the entire region is doing this, when in fact if you simply look beyond the gun toting idiots and down the street, things look pretty normal.

I saw first hand how this illusion of mass celebration is created here in Tampa back in 2003, after the hometown Buccaneers had finally won their Super Bowl. A day was set aside for the team parade through downtown, and in general a community celebration. While it was a lot of fun, it was absolutely NOTHING like how it was portrayed on t.v. I'll never forget this. The local news channels would set up every so often up and down the main drag, and wait until a sufficient number of passerbyers had stopped to wait for their opportunity to be on t.v. There would literally be these groups just standing around, patiently waiting for the reporter's que that they were now "LIVE", and then the group would just start jumping up and down, screaming Go Bucs, just going bananas. As soon as the shot was over, the crowd would break up, and just walk away. Often times to the next awaiting live shot from a rival station. Play it again Sam...

It was fascinating to watch this same set up repeat over and over. Then of course when I watched the news that night, if you hadn't been there yourself, you would have been under the impression that all of Tampa was going bonkers like that, all day long. Quite something, and quite the illusion. It's also quite something to see this exact same tactic being used as sick propaganda in Libya. It's just absolutely disgusting.

[syrwong]

They must be behind schedule, so if captured, Colonel Gadaffi would certainly be murdered. Besides, trying him in the kangaroo court of human rights could also backfire.

[John Parslow]

Hello Avid



I feel totally ashamed to be British as I did NOT VOTE for us to partake in any of this atrocity.

Here, here. JP :cool:

[Playdo of Ataraxas]

I think it is best said auf Deutsch: "Es ist Schein." I like your Tampa Bay example Fred. That is "Schein".

[Muzz]

Theyve got a pic of the body ( could be fake)

I really hope this is bs. A sad day.

link (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/10/20/gaddafi-dead-picture-colonel-gaddafi-photo-appears-to-prove-libya-dictator-is-dead-115875-23502434/) ** warning graphic **

[RMorgan]

Here it is:

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[Calz]

I can only handle this blatant manipulation and propaganda for a few minutes at a time.

...

Great post Fred.

[norman]

Someone said in the comments under the Daily Mirror pictures that he looked 'kicked to death'.

I think that too.

This is a very sad day for freedom and the world.

I want no part of this madness.

[Gardener]

There is a sense of an up-tick in their agenda, a speeding up of events.

[Pony Express]

The script for this ancient play is running much too long. The Universe, when they down gaze at the theater of our world, knows more about the players than we do, and I'm sure all who watch are shaking their heads.

I don't know much about Gaddafi, any more than I knew about Saddam Hussein. What I do know is that at some point, they refused to play the game by the rules. Whatever line those two men and Mubarak, too, crossed, the powers will direct how this ends, not us. Good men or bad men, they were men, and I'm sad for another life lost. It reminds us all of how fragile this all is. We all do our best to keep our life in order with nothing out-standing. Mankind...how sad and funny we all are.

But we are of value, we who have borne everything and still keep trying and hoping and guarding our Faith. High prices have been paid to bring us to this point. So we go on. Best to all.

[Calz]

Someone said in the comments under the Daily Mirror pictures that he looked 'kicked to death'.

I think that too.

This is a very sad day for freedom and the world.

I want no part of this madness.

I am not following the stories coming out ... but the radio news driving home from work suggested he was shot in both legs.

Don't think that is "life threatening" at least not in the short term before any infections set in unless from loss of blood.

[Lord Sidious]

They must be behind schedule, so if captured, Colonel Gadaffi would certainly be murdered. Besides, trying him in the kangaroo court of human rights could also backfire.

The glorious western powers only liked rigged courts where they can control all the evidence and the procedures.
Every time they take down another nation, they weaken themselves a little bit more.
And there is an ''enemy'' of theirs out there, still watching, still waiting and will probably show them they same mercy they show everyone else.



Someone said in the comments under the Daily Mirror pictures that he looked 'kicked to death'.

I think that too.

This is a very sad day for freedom and the world.

I want no part of this madness.

I am not following the stories coming out ... but the radio news driving home from work suggested he was shot in both legs.

Don't think that is "life threatening" at least not in the short term before any infections set in unless from loss of blood.

If the femoral artery is nicked, you have three minutes top before you bleed out.

[keramikus]

Well if there all are Saint why they dont prosecute Chine for mass killing and tiananmen square massacre. I call You mister Moreno, You have is issued an arest warning for Gaddafi, why dont you issue for chinese goverment, is poor Nato afraid of big China , HHAHHA offcourse you are what a hipocracy, no one tell in any news that they shoould be brought to justice. You have to be blind not see such stuff

[truth4me]

"We don't know where he is but we hope he can be captured or killed soon, so you don't have to fear him any longer," Clinton said during a meeting with students at the University of Tripoli. "Then you have to move forward."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/18/us-libya-idUSTRE79F1FK20111018

Hillary Clinton should be totally ashamed of herself.
The criminals who have destroyed Libya for greed and profit will surely reap an horrendous reward in their 'hereafter'.

I feel totally ashamed to be British as I did NOT VOTE for us to partake in any of this atrocity. :flame: Let's don't forget about America the one who bows at the feet of Great Britain and Israel. I'm not proud to be an american. For whatever reason I incarnated here.....:help:

[keramikus]

Well lets bring here Chine, why the mass media dont want to put them on trial for mass murdur. I want to scream, people why, why, why. Is killing in one country not a crime !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ancient]

Reuters is reporting that he just died. He supposedly had wounds in both legs and was taken out by ambulance. We should wait for verification of his death.

Reminds me of the death of Osama Bin Laden at the hands of the U.S. military. His body was conveniently "disposed of" at sea so no third party autopsies or examinations could be conducted.

I wouldn't be surprised if Gaggafi's body "mysteriously" also was dumped somewhere before other people could confirm his death.

Very interesting.

[risveglio]

Seems this guy thinks he is alive.
http://pakdefenceunit.wordpress.com/2011/10/20/alert-gaddafi-is-alive/

[eric charles]

Seems this guy thinks he is alive.
http://pakdefenceunit.wordpress.com/2011/10/20/alert-gaddafi-is-alive/

yeah just checked that site out , man there is sooooooooooo much bull**** being flung around about every topic , it seriously just boggles the mind :confused:

[Lost Soul]

If true, it is another victory for TPTW.

[eric charles]

Yep thats right Lost soul !

from the pics on the net , since he dies of LEG WOUNDs as said in the MSM, why is his face all all black and blued , and bloody , must have gotten one hell of a beating after he was found dead hahahaha bunch of lying a-holes

[Nairnia]

This is a very sad day for freedom and the world.

I want no part of this madness.

OK, can someone help me out here? Why are people lamenting his death? Wasnt he responsible for the mass murder of innocent men, women and children in Nothern Ireland? Or is it because he was an enemy of our corrupt system he is our friend?

I cant see him as anything other than an evil oppressor and honestly, I think the world is a better place without him.

[norman]

This is a very sad day for freedom and the world.

I want no part of this madness.

OK, can someone help me out here? Why are people lamenting his death? Wasnt he responsible for the mass murder of innocent men, women and children in Nothern Ireland? Or is it because he was an enemy of our corrupt system he is our friend?

I cant see him as anything other than an evil oppressor and honestly, I think the world is a better place without him.

Nothing you have been told by your TV set or Radio has ever been reliable. We are living behind a firewall. Gadaffi ran a far better state than most states. Any "links" to 'terrorism' have to be thoroughly examined before condeming the man.

I certainly don't accept that he was involved in the PanAm bombing.

Any other accusations that he sponsored 'terrorist' groups are just as likely to be fictitious as Osama Bin Laden and 9/11.

[Nairnia]

Nothing you have been told by your TV set or Radio has ever been reliable. We are living behind a firewall.

Gadaffi ran a far better state than most states.


Thanks Norman, fair enough about the media and that being the case, where do you get your information from?

[TWINCANS]

OK, can someone help me out here? Why are people lamenting his death? Wasnt he responsible for the mass murder of innocent men, women and children in Nothern Ireland? Or is it because he was an enemy of our corrupt system he is our friend?

I cant see him as anything other than an evil oppressor and honestly, I think the world is a better place without him.

Good question and one that more citizens should ask. Your research can start here. Check out Viking's excellent posting:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32944-Libya-Gaddafi-The-Truth-you-are-not-supposed-to-know

[norman]

Nothing you have been told by your TV set or Radio has ever been reliable. We are living behind a firewall.

Gadaffi ran a far better state than most states.




Thanks Norman, fair enough about the media and that being the case, where do you get your information from?

Here's a couple of items that might make you see the other side of the story enough to go digging............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk9fyrZc-dM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk9fyrZc-dM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek

[Nairnia]

Woooh! Hang on guys, I do not and will not ever rely on youtube to shape my mind in anyway. How can you decry traditional media as being unreliable yet accept anything someone puts together in their bedroom to promote their own belief?

As Duncan Bannantyne would say... I'm out! :D

[norman]

Woooh! Hang on guys, I do not and will not ever rely on youtube to shape my mind in anyway. How can you decry traditional media as being unreliable yet accept anything someone puts together in their bedroom to promote their own belief?

As Duncan Bannantyne would say... I'm out! :D

As you wish.

You have to get information from somewhere, to even think. Habit is not a basis for reliability any more than a hunch is.

I've seen enough of the western propaganda machine to know when I'm being lied to. So much so, that If I had to make a sudeen guess that my life depended on, I'd always go for the opposite of what the BBC ETC just told me.

I'm at the point where if they tell me someone is a bad and has to hunted down and removed, I know he's good.

[Lord Sidious]

This is a very sad day for freedom and the world.

I want no part of this madness.

OK, can someone help me out here? Why are people lamenting his death? Wasnt he responsible for the mass murder of innocent men, women and children in Nothern Ireland? Or is it because he was an enemy of our corrupt system he is our friend?

I cant see him as anything other than an evil oppressor and honestly, I think the world is a better place without him.

For one thing, Lockerbie is in Scotland.
And secondly, why did CIA men leave that plane earlier in its flight?
Did they leave ''something'' on the plane?

[Nairnia]

For one thing, Lockerbie is in Scotland.
And secondly, why did CIA men leave that plane earlier in its flight?
Did they leave ''something'' on the plane?

Yep, being Scottish I know where it is, I was referring to the Libyan sponsorship of the IRA not the PanAm flight. :)

[Lord Sidious]

For one thing, Lockerbie is in Scotland.
And secondly, why did CIA men leave that plane earlier in its flight?
Did they leave ''something'' on the plane?

Yep, being Scottish I know where it is, I was referring to the Libyan sponsorship of the IRA not the PanAm flight. :)

Just one of many groups he sponsored.
I would think that anyone who is an enemy of the western powers is someone that may not be my friend, but might be better than they are.

[DevilPigeon]

Woooh! Hang on guys, I do not and will not ever rely on youtube to shape my mind in anyway. How can you decry traditional media as being unreliable yet accept anything someone puts together in their bedroom to promote their own belief?

As Duncan Bannantyne would say... I'm out! :D

Why such a reaction???

All I can advise is take in as much info as you can from as many sources as possible in order to form your own opinion - don't rule a source out just because of the medium it's presented on.

[Fred Steeves]

And secondly, why did CIA men leave that plane earlier in its flight?
Did they leave ''something'' on the plane?

Hmmm, very interesting Rob. I've not heard that one.

[norman]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/killing-gaddafi-prevents-icc-embarrassment-for-us-britain.html

So there won't be a day in court (ICC) and no dirty laundry on the line.

[woodshreder]

What stands out in this assasination is, they are parading around his live , and dead body with no real concern for being considered inflammatory in the arab world Contrast that with the osama bin laden assasination , reason they gave for not showing the body was?
1. Would be to inflammatory ,a celebration by the western world
2 . To graphic? they showed the guy taking , probably his last breath ,bloodied up, earlier in the day, showed him with a 9mm bullet wound to the front of the skull dead..
Do they really think.we believe any of this propaganda?

[norman]

It could still be ALL FAKE!

Did he have doubles who could have been switched into place while he was spirited away by a group of special forces to an African country?

Just asking.

[Kamikaze]

I'll believe he is still alive. Seems much like the propaganda we've had this whole time up to now. All BS.

Maybe captured but still alive.

edit: ok I changed my mind! Not captured and still alive!

[cellardoor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wknw5UwClFI&feature=feedu&skipcontrinter=1
He looked alive to me.

[gandra99]

...sadness :/

[Fred Steeves]

Sorry, but whether he's alive or dead, that spinning video does NOTHING for me. It's sort of a reminder of those aweful Sasquach and Nessie films from back in the 70's.

Cheers,
Fred

[gandra99]

there are days when I do not want to wake up more...

[Davidallany]

Well, another one is removed from the game.
He is now beyond their games.
RIP Muammar.
may the force be with brother Muammar, the Jedi evil and twisted ways is working against them. It will be their undoing master Sidious.

[phillipbbg]

God forgive us because Allah will not...... if it is factual at least he died as he said he would in his own country... I would bet none of our so called western leaders of democracy (haha) would die for their countries....

So when are we going to take NATO to the Hague for WAR crimes against HUMANITY.....and the people of Libya

Also whilst all eyes are on this what is happening in Greece and how many "NATO" mercs are entering the country etc.....

The world we have let occur makes me sick........

[Fred Steeves]

Well, another one is removed from the game.
He is now beyond their games.
RIP Muammar.
may the force be with brother Muammar, the Jedi evil and twisted ways is working against them. It will be their undoing master Sidious.


"Brother" Muammar? Really David?:unsure:

I'm just sayin man...I though RIP was a bit much...

[DevilPigeon]

-----

I don't know whether he's alive or dead; but from the limited coverage I've seen, what's disturbing to me is the unbridled joy & rapturous celebrations of his "assassination".

Is this civilised? Is this human? Is this what being human is all about?

Taking the small amount of video footage into consideration, he appeared in good health... A recent bit of email/text feedback on the BBC suggested that he was - whilst alive - deliberately shot in the right hand prior to being bundled onto that truck. I'm sorry, but in my little world that's surely torture???

I actually despair sometimes, it fills me with immense sadness.

[norman]

We were told a pack of lies about him and everyone else out there. Running a country is a dirty buisness but it's not as dirty as crushing it.

[grapevine]

Theyve got a pic of the body ( could be fake)

I really hope this is bs. A sad day.

link (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/10/20/gaddafi-dead-picture-colonel-gaddafi-photo-appears-to-prove-libya-dictator-is-dead-115875-23502434/) ** warning graphic **

Looks like Gary Glitter to me -if only - but nevertheless RIP Gadaffi, one less piece of the jigsaw

[christian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wknw5UwClFI&feature=feedu&skipcontrinter=1

Check the top comment. The users on YouTube obviously see what I see.


He apparantly either bled to death or was kicked to death considering the mob around his body. May this heroic freedom fighter rest in peace. And don't dare to repeat he killed Libyans with helicopters, that is just as phony as WMDs in Iraq.

Libya was the jewel of Africa. Till NATO bombed it into oblivion, the Libyans surely appreciate this, don't you think?

fake reason to invade Libya: watch?v=TncgsS0FDWg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TncgsS0FDWg)

Libya before the war: watch?v=XorKTwkFPDU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XorKTwkFPDU)

the agenda: watch?v=EsQtxF_eNjk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsQtxF_eNjk)


edit: I just checked again and for some reason it does not appear on top anymore. I then clicked on "all comments" and searched for it (bongochris) and it is still there with +29, this is rigged.

[Kamikaze]

I wonder if it's a double they have there on the video. I feel to say that it's not him.

Though I have to say, it's isn't the most level headed people there pounding this fellow.

[Gardener]

Hmm actually without playing the video I have to say the face is one of a much younger man. Sry but thats what I see

[norman]

I have to admit, that if that video was of a bunch of crazy brainwashed fools with guns, thrashing the life out of a top Rothschild. I'd applaud.

[christian]

If he was not killed, he would surely make some kind of public statement somehow in the near future, this would really backfire on the cabal. The cabal would heavily jeopardize itself by proclaiming his death falsely, could they be so stupid?

[the trojan]

i have looked at it about four times in the last two minutes( i was curious about the links)
Should the view count go up each time or is it like ,one view per customer?
Its at 310 views at the moment
also ,does anyone know if you can ,like and dislike a vid,because there are currently 153 likes and 490 dislikes
that adds up to 643 at my school.

[Möbius]

This is a very sad day for freedom and the world.

I want no part of this madness.

OK, can someone help me out here? Why are people lamenting his death? Wasnt he responsible for the mass murder of innocent men, women and children in Nothern Ireland? Or is it because he was an enemy of our corrupt system he is our friend?

I cant see him as anything other than an evil oppressor and honestly, I think the world is a better place without him.

Nothing you have been told by your TV set or Radio has ever been reliable. We are living behind a firewall. Gadaffi ran a far better state than most states. Any "links" to 'terrorism' have to be thoroughly examined before condeming the man.

I certainly don't accept that he was involved in the PanAm bombing.

Any other accusations that he sponsored 'terrorist' groups are just as likely to be fictitious as Osama Bin Laden and 9/11.

Hello Norman,

Yes you are right about the Lockerbie Bombing. It was CIA black hats along with Mosad. Please the following link:

http://www.rense.com/general93/libc.htm

This is true as Matthew Kevin Gannon and his boss Charles Charles Dennis McKee (CIA White Hats) were taken out after they stumbled upon evidence of the Iran Contra affair. I know this as my dad was friends with Matt Gannon when we lived in Sana'a in Yeman. I remember when I was young Matt Gannon drove myself and my brothers and sisters to a Charlie Brown play at the Amercan Embassy in Sana'a. Shortly after the Lockerbie bombing (when back in England) my dad told me that Matt was on the plane. He didn't tell me any more but most people do not realise that there were two CIA agents on the plane. Our phone was also tapped in England aftern we were thrown out of Yeman in 1987. I remember when I was a kid seeing (not very discrete!) Yemani spies running around our garden at night with AK47s'! They didn't trust my father as he had worked for both the British Embassy and Shell Oil. He was one of the good guys though along with Matt Gannon and Charles McKee.

If you want to blame somebody then you then I will spell out his initails for you G. H. W. B. President Reagan probably didn't have a clue what was going on when G. H. W. B was incharge of the CIA! But what do you expect when you yanks elected an Actor to run your country LoooooooL. Then again we have Boris Johnson running London LooooL.


Mobius

[Jay]

Told by Gadaffi (don't know about "must see" .. just food for thought)
pWJiCsvhWpI

[bennycog]

in the nine msm news report you have two or three different ways he died in the one report..

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8267345/gaddafi-killed-after-cornered-in-sewage-pipe
The demise of the hated dictator, who ruled his oil-rich North African nation with an iron rod for close on 42 years, sparked a spontaneous outpouring of joy and celebratory gunfire in streets across Libya.

"We announce to the world that Gaddafi has died in the custody of the revolution," National Transitional Council (NTC) spokesman Abdel Hafez Ghoga said in the eastern city of Benghazi.
(Read more: Gaddafi marched through street)

"It is an historic moment. It is the end of tyranny and dictatorship. Gaddafi has met his fate," he added.

In Tripoli, interim premier Mahmud Jibril said NTC leader Mustafa Abdel Jalil was to declare by Friday that the country has been liberated, paving the way for the formation of an interim government ahead of elections.

As Libyans danced for joy in the streets, world leaders welcomed Gaddafi's demise as the end of despotism, tyranny, dictatorship and ultimately war in Libya.

Colonel Gaddafi, whose whereabouts were unknown since NTC fighters overran the capital in August, was captured in a sewage pipe waving a golden gun near Sirte, Libyan fighters said.

"Gaddafi was in a jeep when rebels opened fire on it. He got out and tried to flee, taking shelter in a sewage pipe," an NTC field commander, Mohammed Leith, told AFP.

NTC fighters "opened fire again and he came out carrying a Kalashnikov (assault rifle) in one hand and a pistol in the other," he said.

Gaddafi "looked left and right and asked what was happening. Rebels opened fire again, wounding his leg and shoulder. He died after that," according to Leith.
(Read more: French planes 'stopped' convoy)

But according to Jibril, Gaddafi was shot in the head "in crossfire" between his supporters and new regime fighters after his capture.

"When he was found, he was in good health, carrying a gun," Jibril told a press conference in Tripoli. Gaddafi was transferred from the sewage pipe to a pickup truck, at which point he was shot in the right hand.

"When the vehicle started moving, it was caught in crossfire between Gaddafi fighters and the revolutionaries, and he was shot in the head," according to Jibril.

"He was alive up to last moment, until he arrived at hospital" in the town of Misrata.

French Defence Minister Gerard Longuet revealed that a French Mirage-2000 fired a warning shot at a column of up to 80 vehicles trying to flee Sirte early Thursday.

Libyan fighters then intervened, destroying the vehicles, from which "they took out Colonel Gaddafi," he added.

Longuet told reporters in Paris that the convoy "was stopped from progressing as it sought to flee Sirte but was not destroyed by the French intervention."

[the trojan]

i slowed down the vid,the guy definitely looks like him,and he is in a bad way.
blood around his nose and mouth.
He is alive in the vid,pale and distressed,obviously.
there are a few guys around him taking photos on their mobile phones .
Near the end one of the guys gets a grip on his hair and pulls at him.

I am not like these hu-mans .

[Davidallany]

"Brother" Muammar? Really David?

Is he not our brother in Humanity, Fred? I even consider George W Bush a brother, even though he murdered millions of Iraqis. He is still a brother. This why I say we become what we despise. Although I am appear as though speaking from mind, the fact is I am speaking from beyond mind, beyond I and my, otherwise I would have been concerned with mind and fixed on the notion of enemy and allies.

[Anchor]

Well, another one is removed from the game.
He is now beyond their games.
RIP Muammar.
may the force be with brother Muammar, the Jedi evil and twisted ways is working against them. It will be their undoing master Sidious.


"Brother" Muammar? Really David?:unsure:

I'm just sayin man...I though RIP was a bit much...

This exchange encapsulates much about what we are here to learn.

We are all in this together.

Even the most misguided of us, the most warlike, the most peaceful, the most "evil" and the most "saintly".

Even the most foolish of us, the greatest of us and yes the least of us, we are all in this together.

I have seen a glimpse of a future in my own mind where all this has passed.

I have seen a future where the weapons and lies are laid down.

So, this is hard, but it will pass.

I wish I knew when though, because it does get you down sometimes.

But never give up, there is hope, there is love and there is light.

No-one gets left behind.

Yes, we are all brothers.

That's the reality of it. No matter how complex this makes things for us - realizing it and acknowledging it shows us the way out.

[shamanseeker]

Woooh! Hang on guys, I do not and will not ever rely on youtube to shape my mind in anyway. How can you decry traditional media as being unreliable yet accept anything someone puts together in their bedroom to promote their own belief?

As Duncan Bannantyne would say... I'm out! :D

Hi Nairnia, Maybe you should read on David Icke's site about the murders committed by both Hillary and Bill Clinton. Maybe this will put things into a better prospective.

[norman]

THE TRUTH ABOUT GADAFFI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA1_tbjeFAw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA1_tbjeFAw

[Davidallany]

realizing it and acknowledging it shows us the way out.

This is the difference between intellectual and spiritual awakening.

[christian]

i have looked at it about four times in the last two minutes( i was curious about the links)
Should the view count go up each time or is it like ,one view per customer?
Its at 310 views at the moment
also ,does anyone know if you can ,like and dislike a vid,because there are currently 153 likes and 490 dislikes
that adds up to 643 at my school.

YouTube manipulates the viewcount since ages (for example on the Alex Jones Channel and RT), there are most probably agents and/or bots rating and commenting here and there and there's most probably a lot more fishy stuff going on.

[RMorgan]

Just heard on the news that he will be buried in a secret place, to avoid pilgrimage...They don´t get tired of the same mambo jumbo...

[norman]

If this discussion is getting into the spiritual, I want to ask you all this:

Is it a requirement that this world is unfixable (and is only a trial to test and teach us ) or are we responsible for it and meant to get it right and running properly?

[Kamikaze]

I think it's much up to us together to have it as it becomes. It will always change from time to time, things always change. For worse or the better is up to the current participants on earth at any time they are on there.

[Davidallany]

If this discussion is getting into the spiritual

There is no separation between spiritual and anything else. Spiritual is everything, its free energy too, since the mind is born out of spirituality. Freedom.
dB1tYT_iNkQ

[Anchor]

If this discussion is getting into the spiritual, I want to ask you all this:

Is it a requirement that this world is unfixable (and is only a trial to test and teach us ) or are we responsible for it and meant to get it right and running properly?

In my opinion, which for me is fact :

>Is it a requirement that this world is unfixable
No

>(and is only a trial to test and teach us )
as is everything

> or are we responsible for it
yes

>and meant to get it right and running properly?
yes

Just one last thing.... dont leave Gaia out of the equation. Our host has a say in this.

[ThePythonicCow]

i have looked at it about four times in the last two minutes( i was curious about the links)
Should the view count go up each time or is it like ,one view per customer?
Its at 310 views at the moment
The view count is changing.

I just viewed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wknw5UwClFI now.

It is down to 301 views (did I say "down" - yup.)

[GlassSteagallfan]

Reuters is reporting that he just died. He supposedly had wounds in both legs and was taken out by ambulance. We should wait for verification of his death.

Reminds me of the death of Osama Bin Laden at the hands of the U.S. military. His body was conveniently "disposed of" at sea so no third party autopsies or examinations could be conducted.

I wouldn't be surprised if Gaggafi's body "mysteriously" also was dumped somewhere before other people could confirm his death.

Very interesting.

...like President Kennedy

[161803398]

I'm really disgusted but what else is new.


Update:

http://libyanfreepress.wordpress.com/2011/10/20/muhammar-gaddafis-death-is-a-fake-he-is-alive-an-interview-with-stephen-lendman/

[GlassSteagallfan]

OK, can someone help me out here? Why are people lamenting his death? Wasnt he responsible for the mass murder of innocent men, women and children in Nothern Ireland? Or is it because he was an enemy of our corrupt system he is our friend?

I cant see him as anything other than an evil oppressor and honestly, I think the world is a better place without him.

WOW! Change 'Northern Ireland' to Iraq or Afganistan.

What leader do you see now???

[bitworm]

i have looked at it about four times in the last two minutes( i was curious about the links)
Should the view count go up each time or is it like ,one view per customer?
Its at 310 views at the moment
also ,does anyone know if you can ,like and dislike a vid,because there are currently 153 likes and 490 dislikes
that adds up to 643 at my school.

The first magic number for youtube views is 300. When it hits that, the displayed view count will freeze because their system will perform additional analysis on it, which is done over a period of time. Their goal is to prevent artificially inflated view counts, so that's what they are checking for. These checks get triggered also when a video gets a sudden spike in viewer activity. Not only do they try to verify the view count, they also can pull additional resources from other servers to accommodate.

[jagman]

It looks like the Lybian Rebels , Really worked Gaddafi Over!!

[from_Brzil]

... ....

[161803398]

Well, whatever he is or was, Gaddafi certainly would have perceived the West as the bad guys. He would also have known, just as the rest of the world knows only too well, that the CIA has been stirring up conflict in countries all over the world. My understanding is he provided some funding to the IRA AND the Protestant paramilitaries in order to keep his enemies busy with something other than his country. He probably and rightly perceives the western powers as being extremely evil.

Besides that, I don't think, at the time Gaddafi was doing this, that the IRA was even the real IRA anymore because it had been infiltrated by MI5. It was all very confusing at that time.

[Playdo of Ataraxas]

Shortly after the Lockerbie bombing (when back in England) my dad told me that Matt was on the plane.

Speaking about planes going down, I just now began reading about this event that took place before I was born. I have never heard of this event before and I find it interesting and somewhat relevant to the conversation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_Arab_Airlines_Flight_114

http://plane-truth.com/Aoude/geocities/plane.html

[jagman]

Deleted due to posters request

[Buck]

If this discussion is getting into the spiritual, I want to ask you all this:

Is it a requirement that this world is unfixable (and is only a trial to test and teach us ) or are we responsible for it and meant to get it right and running properly?

neither of the above

[Buck]

"Brother" Muammar? Really David?

Is he not our brother in Humanity, Fred? I even consider George W Bush a brother, even though he murdered millions of Iraqis. He is still a brother. This why I say we become what we despise. Although I am appear as though speaking from mind, the fact is I am speaking from beyond mind, beyond I and my, otherwise I would have been concerned with mind and fixed on the notion of enemy and allies.

We have met the enemy, and he is us.

[Carmody]

If this discussion is getting into the spiritual, I want to ask you all this:

Is it a requirement that this world is unfixable (and is only a trial to test and teach us ) or are we responsible for it and meant to get it right and running properly?

Excellent question Norman.

That is why the Buddhist both laughs and cries at the same time.

Essentially....... both are true.

The reason that they remain silent on the truth of it, is that this is to be done in a full blind so the answers are honest ones.

In that way the 'soul' learns and the avatar --- as useful vehicles go..also advances.

I know that sounds horrible, and it is. So horrible that some simply can't accept it. Alternately...the truth is also invigorating and it does set one free. But it must be earned by the self for the self.

Perfection would kill the 'school' to the point that it would need a reset.

Which is why when we dig around ..we find..bones.... that are up to 100's of millions of years old. And those bones are of a Homo Sapiens type. Each age is unique.

We are nearing a reset, or 'graduation', if you will.

[jagman]

Muammar Gaddafi was in love with Condoleezza Rice! and I have heard through the grapevine, She was the one who convinced him to give up
WMDs! Condi would play the piano for Gaddafi !

[Lord Sidious]

Well, another one is removed from the game.
He is now beyond their games.
RIP Muammar.
may the force be with brother Muammar, the Jedi evil and twisted ways is working against them. It will be their undoing master Sidious.
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Excellent clip David.
That was the first scene filmed for The Phantom Menace and they filmed it on my birthday! :eyebrows:


I have to admit, that if that video was of a bunch of crazy brainwashed fools with guns, thrashing the life out of a top Rothschild. I'd applaud.

I would try very hard not to applaud, but I know what you mean.


Told by Gadaffi (don't know about "must see" .. just food for thought)
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AHA! I have been looking for this one for a while.
I saw it on here somewhere before.
Thanks for posting, this is an EXCELLENT video of Muammar at his best.
I would suggest you ALL watch it and tell me what you think.


If this discussion is getting into the spiritual, I want to ask you all this:

Is it a requirement that this world is unfixable (and is only a trial to test and teach us ) or are we responsible for it and meant to get it right and running properly?

Excellent questions.
I would be of the opinion that it was meant to be fixable.
The problem is however, people are so determined to stay in their comfort zones, the plans are further behind than envisioned.
I look at the September 11 attacks as a thermometer. The people of the world were so stuck in their comfort zones, the actors had to do something so large in front of them that couldn't be ignored.

[161803398]

I am not trying to defend Nato or the US! But it was the Libyan Rebels who
Ultimately killed Gaddafi! (Also it looks like they may have tortured him!) And has I
recall it was the French President Sarcozy who pushed this conflict! The US Had to
be practically dragged into this one! But it was a predator drone that fired upon
Gaddafi envoy and there was also a French jet that also fired on this envoy!
All the pics and videos on tv show the Libyan people dancing in the streets!
I am also sick of war!!!

Do you know who funded the so called Libyan rebels.

Dancing in the streets? I wonder who paid for that?

[161803398]

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[jagman]

I am not trying to defend Nato or the US! But it was the Libyan Rebels who
Ultimately killed Gaddafi! (Also it looks like they may have tortured him!) And has I
recall it was the French President Sarcozy who pushed this conflict! The US Had to
be practically dragged into this one! But it was a predator drone that fired upon
Gaddafi envoy and there was also a French jet that also fired on this envoy!
All the pics and videos on tv show the Libyan people dancing in the streets!
I am also sick of war!!!

Do you know who funded the so called Libyan rebels.

Dancing in the streets? I wonder who paid for that?

Your right the US is funding the Rebels and so are the French and a host of other countries! But it was the Libyan people who decided Gaddafis fate!

[161803398]

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[161803398]

But it was the Libyan people who decided Gaddafis fate!

How do you know that?

[Lord Sidious]

But it was the Libyan people who decided Gaddafis fate!

How do you know that?

Excellent question.

[jagman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AmtZp0XOAN4

[Lord Sidious]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AmtZp0XOAN4

So let us say there are 1000 people in the studio.
I am inflating the numbers.
Have you any idea how many Libyans there are in the world?
And you would be very naive to believe anything coming through the media of a nation involved in the conflict, very naive indeed.

[jagman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7B3Lt3xc6kc

[161803398]

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=6968

[Anchor]

If anyone thinks that it was libyans that killed Gaddafi, read this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2051361/Gaddafi-dead-Dictator-begged-life-summarily-executed.html

It was a joint UK, USA and French combination of air action that took out his convoy - leaving the ground rebels to finish up.

Gaddafi tried to flee in a convoy hit by American drone
Vehicles were also shelled by Nato fighter jets...
... before being driven back to his compound in Sirte
Gaddafi in final attempt to flee before final push by rebels
'Found in a hole' wearing military-style clothing, shouting 'Don't shoot'
Rebel forces executed him in front of a baying mob
His body was paraded through the streets of the city
Eldest son Saif shot in leg in Sirte day before - some reports say he is dead
Other son Mutassim confirmed killed in Sirte
Barack Obama hails 'momentous day' in history of Libya



GADDAFI'S LAST DAY

8.30am - French Aircraft attack the convoy in which Gaddafi is travelling at a roundabout two miles west of Sirte. 15 armed pick-up trucks are destroyed in the attack. A wounded Gaddafi, accompanied by a handful of loyal men seeks refuge in a nearby storm drain. NTC forces initially fire anti-airctraft guns before moving in on foot.

11.05am - NTC forces announce that the last remaining areas of Sirte have been captured and that fighters are searching homes and buildings looking for any remaning Gadhafi loyalists.

2.00pm - After a fire fight Gaddafi is discovered cowering in the storm drain.

2.30pm - A local man tells Reuters news agency he saw Gaddafi shot in the abdomen with a 9mm pistol

2.45pm - A pro-Gaddafi TV website denies that the former Libyan leader has been captured

2.56pm - Reuters report Gaddafi has died of wounds sustained during his capture

3.00pm - Celebrations across Libya at the news of Gaddafi's capture

3.44pm : Mobile phone image is released of a man who appears to be Gadadfi wearing blood soaked clothing with blood on his face

4:02pm - Al-Jazeera TV is airing shaky footage of a man resembling Gaddafi lying dead or badly wounded, bleeding from the head and stripped to the waist as fighters roll him over on the pavement.

4.31pm - AFP reports that Gaddafi's son Mutassim has been found dead in Sirte.

4.30pm - Libya's acting Prime Minister Mahmoud Jibril appears on television to confirm the news that Gaddafi is dead.

4.56pm - Video appears of fighters brandishing a gold-plated handgun said to have been taken from Gaddafi

4.59pm - Al-Jazeera shows video of Gaddafi's body being dragged along the ground

5.25pm - Reports come in that Gaddafi's body has arrived in Misrata.

6.00pm - Reuters reports that according to an NTC commander Gaddafi's son has been killed

7.50 pm - Al Jazeera announces it has received unconfirmed reports that Gaddafi's son Saif is dead

I'm posting this because we need to we need this in context.

Libyan OIL.

Libyan OIL.

Libyan OIL.

[161803398]

Found cowering in a hole? Sounds familiar. They need new writers.

[Referee]

Only this to say

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[from_Brzil]

.... ....

[math330]

Can I just add something quickly about the links to the British paper, the Daily Mail? Some of what they say is true, but you need to be aware of what this paper is about. It's a vile, hate filled, racist tabloid - they supported the Nazis long ago and the founders (Lord Rothermere) are part of the moneyed problem.
Though, they're not quite in the same league as this pack of ar*****les... disgusted, how can anyone get away with printing this?? Is it any wonder half the UK is borderline moronic?? I'm glad I moved away.

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/6836/supersplashgaddaf139496.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/87/supersplashgaddaf139496.jpg/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

*edit - can't seem to attach an image, but if you'd like to check the website of the UK's 'Sun' newspaper (link broken, I don't want to link to that place) www(dot)thesun(dot)co(dot)uk you can see it there.
Disgusting, absolutely disgusting.

[Floyd]

To all for the info! Thanks!

[161803398]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Libya_under_Muammar_Gaddafi

So I have no clue why the people of Libya would want to get rid of Gaddafi.

[math330]

We have met the enemy, and he is us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC52cNN4DXs
The Beast Is Us.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Libya_under_Muammar_Gaddafi

So I have no clue why the people of Libya would want to get rid of Gaddafi.

Linking to Wikipedia is the same as linking to a tabloid newspaper. Ill informed.
You don't get to hear about the millions of Libyans who wanted NATO out, and not Quaddafi. The media lies, Wiki entries are deleted and amended regularly - try to edit something controversial on there and see how fast it gets amended to tow the official line (9/11 as an example)

[Floyd]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Libya_under_Muammar_Gaddafi

So I have no clue why the people of Libya would want to get rid of Gaddafi.

CIA?? Yes/no?

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Thanks for that info re: the wikimedia!

[161803398]

Linking to Wikipedia is the same as linking to a tabloid newspaper. Ill informed.

Isn't the following true? I believe these reforms were made and, as a consequence, I have no clue why the people of Libya would want to get rid of Gaddafi.

"After coming to power, the RCC government initiated a process of directing funds toward providing education, healthcare and housing for all. The reforms, though not entirely effective, had had their effect. Public education in the country is free and primary education is compulsory for both boys and girls. Medical care is also available to the public at no cost but providing housing for all is a task the RCC government has not been able to complete yet.[5] In 1977, Gaddafi renamed the Libyan state to Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, where Jamahiriya is a term coined by Gaddafi,[6] usually translated as "state of the masses". Under Gaddafi, per capita income in the country rose to more than US $11,000, the fifth highest in Africa.[7] The increase in prosperity was accompanied by a controversial foreign policy, with increased political repression at home.[4][8]

[Referee]

I'm posting this because we need to we need this in context.

Libyan OIL.

Libyan OIL.

Libyan OIL.

The real reason he was taken out was the water pipeline he was planning to build to put H2O in the entire desert. The oil and gold was a bonus.

[161803398]

"The reason Muammar Qaddafi is a target is because he has been a thorn in the side of anti-revolutionary forces since he took power in Libya, overthrowing the King and nationalizing the oil industry so that the people could benefit from their oil resources.

Libya’s Revolution brought free health care and education to the people and subsidized housing. In fact, students in Libya can study there or abroad and the government gives them a monthly stipend while they are in school and they pay no tuition. If a Libyan needs a surgery that must be done overseas, then the government will pay for that surgery. That is more than the soldiers of the United States military can say. While Libyans enjoy subsidized housing, members of the U.S. military risk foreclosure while they serve their country abroad. Money from oil is directly deposited into the accounts of every Libyan based on oil income. As one Libyan told me recently, the idea is that if people have what they need, then they don’t have to deny rights to or harm others and the Revolution believes that it is the responsibility of the government to provide the basic needs of its citizens.

Now, as for democracy, a country that has never practiced it is a poor trumpet for it. From genocide of indigenous Americans to enslavement of stolen Africans to disfranchisement of women, ours has been a less than perfect union. Now, it has turned the administration of its elections over to private voting machine companies and the finance of those elections to individuals and organizations that can mobilize vast sums of money; thus the United States is not in the best best position to dictate the terms of another country’s democracy. But, Libyans govern themselves by The Green Book, a form of direct democracy based on the African Constitution concept that the people are the first and final source of all power. Clearly, the U.S. move is counter-Revolution."

http://redantliberationarmy.wordpress.com/2011/03/27/cynthia-mckinney-ghaddafi-a-hero-for-african-rights-and-liberation/

[norman]

My brother just sent me this response to my outburt to him yesterday in an email about this:

"Anger is the enemy of non violence" Mohandas Gandhi.


fine, I'll drop the anger when a bunch of thugs drag Evelyn deRothschild around and kick him to death, and send TV cameras around his and his relatives ransacked luxury residences.


edit:

a youtube quote:

those coked up libyians who supported NATO are going to love working in macdonalds for pennies..remember that FREE electricity gaddafi gave you? well say hello to the electricity bill you suckers! dont forget to lube your asses when the bankers step off the planes too! )

[ViralSpiral]

AHA! I have been looking for this one for a while.
I saw it on here somewhere before.
Thanks for posting, this is an EXCELLENT video of Muammar at his best.
I would suggest you ALL watch it and tell me what you think.



One word: Dimona

There have been a lot of threads started around this, so not sure if everyone saw this:


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And this from April:


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all I am saying is.....



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[Lord Sidious]

Not sure what you mean by Dimona, I know what it is, but not sure of the relevance.

[meeradas]

Let's not forget this (http://www.titanic-magazin.de/4530.news)

[from german satirical magazine "titanic". Translation:
Title: "mourning Gaddafi", text: "in the hearts of his friends, he lives on..." -
might seem a bit tasteless first, but i think they're spot-on with that sort of 'reminder']

[meeradas]

[...]The real reason he was taken out was the water pipeline [...]

Yup, remember this here (http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/23-07-2011/118577-nato_war_crimes-0/)?

[That was on the same day the Norwegian killer made the news everywhere]

[math330]

Isn't the following true? I believe these reforms were made and, as a consequence, I have no clue why the people of Libya would want to get rid of Gaddafi.
[4][8]

hi 161803398, sorry if I came over as confrontational there - still incensed by tabloid blood lust :/
Yeah that does ring true... still, take Wiki links with a pinch of salt

One love bruv :)

[161803398]

http://www.worldcrunch.com/top-libyan-rebel-leader-has-deep-al-qaeda-ties/3661

[Violet]

Killed "like a dog" it went proudly on the radio this morning. I remember they used similar words for Saddam at the time.

Very very sad that the West actually declared itself generally satisfied with the end result of what knew no form of a legal trial, something we otherwise grant to the most brutal slaughterers.

+

I just heard that fuel prices are going down tomorrow. Well, at least he didn't die for nothing, ey :thumb:

[Star1111]

Yep thats right Lost soul !

from the pics on the net , since he dies of LEG WOUNDs as said in the MSM, why is his face all all black and blued , and bloody , must have gotten one hell of a beating after he was found dead hahahaha bunch of lying a-holes

The comment made above by eric charles in particular must have gotten one hell of a beating after he was found dead hahahaha bunch of lying a-holes assuming I have got your sentiment correct in that you are laughing at him being beaten to hell OR if you are laughing at the reports then I humbly apologise, but this is how I've read it.

I know Gaddafi was a 'bad man' a dictator or certainly did some evil acts ......................... BUT................. he was a living soul, a person, a human being and to laugh at the death of anyone particularly in this way makes me feel ill !

Not directed at anyone - I don't understand why humans treat humans in this manner. It makes me so sad.
I'm not an idealist (or maybe I am)? but to kick a dead body in the street and to parade his bloody beaten body around (IF that is what happened and by the video footage it looks like it) makes those people doing that as bad as him IMO!

Capture him, yes, put him on trial, yes but to manhandle and/or kick a dead body around is absolutely disgusting
Not a good start to a democratic society which is what I understand the Libyans now desire ....................IMO.

[pharoah21]

I've met a few africans who have lived in Libya before, and they all say the same thing. "GADDAFI IS THE BEST LEADER!" Keep in mind these are not libyans, some from Sudan, Eritrea, Zambia, and Egypt. The stories they've told me about the different things Gaddafi did for his people does seem very admirable, and all in all he seems to be a good guy. The only reason they left the country is because things are set up in such a way to benefit the Libyan people, as opposed to foreigners. Much in the same way France conducts itself.

I want to ask a question to all of Avalon: Has anyone here ever met a Libyan? I bet you haven't, because there is very little reason for someone to leave such a good country under such good leadership except for reasons such as better education or job offers. Even the MSM couldn't forever hide video of Pro Gaddafi supporters........

The media game is getting more and more complex.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Ahem guys ....check this out! .......... thoughts?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCInMnxHUww&feature=share

viking

[christian]

Libyan OIL.

The real reason he was taken out was the water pipeline he was planning to build to put H2O in the entire desert. The oil and gold was a bonus.

And the US (not the people of the US) want a foothold in Africa. And Gaddafi was about to creat an African Gold Dinar and wanted to stop trading oil in dollars. And the Libyan central bank was not affiliated with the Rothshild's and gave loans interest free. And the cabal could not allow the world to see a country developing positively outside their sphere of influence. And there are surely many more reasons for this war.

[Fred Steeves]

"Brother" Muammar? Really David?

Is he not our brother in Humanity, Fred? I even consider George W Bush a brother, even though he murdered millions of Iraqis. He is still a brother. This why I say we become what we despise. Although I am appear as though speaking from mind, the fact is I am speaking from beyond mind, beyond I and my, otherwise I would have been concerned with mind and fixed on the notion of enemy and allies.

O.K., ya got me there David, I knew it was a mistake to post that. Up to that point the conversation had been taking place generally in the lower dimensional physical realm in which we see events transpire day by day. So, I posted accordingly, or so I thought.:) Let me just see if I can manage to explain myself here.

There's a guy from this area name John Couey, and a few years ago he lured a 9 year old neighbor girl into his trailer. He raped her repeatedly for a couple of days, even as the frantic search was going on outside. Then she died, or so he thought. (It's hard to even write this story) So, wondering how to get himself out of this one, he wrapped her in a couple of those big black plastic trash bags, and quietly buried her behind his trailer that night while the search slept for the night. A couple more days went by, and they stumbled across her shallow grave. As horrible as it was to find what he had done to her, they also found that she wasn't even dead like Couey had thought when he buried her, there were little fingers poking through the bags with dirt under the nails when they found her.

On the occasions when I think back about that, it can span the realms between "that sick f**k", to basically what you and Anchor are correctly saying, that we are one. As far as I'm concerned they're both true, including the countless varying degrees in between.

So, I apologize to you David, and anyone else I may have offended with my remarks about Gaddafi.

Actually, this touches on an idea for a thread that I've been bouncing around for some time now. It's incomplete, but it's basically about how we tend to, and more and more so these days I think, operate in different levels of consciousness throughout each day. Sometimes noticing, but more often not.

The idea also touches on threads here. If I were to start a thread about the atrocity John Couey committed, along with footage of the crying single father begging the public for help every day, I would find it odd if comments started coming back relating to what a beautiful and perfect soul Couey really is. Even though it's true.

Conversley, if I were also to start a thread about Couey, but rather than the focus be on his crime, it was on say, "What is he really?" I would find it odd if comments started coming back just saying what a "sick f**k" he is. Even though it's true.

Am I making any sense here, or just digging meself in deeper?:peep:

Cheers,
Fred

[Lord Sidious]

It's ok Fred.
We know you and know you are a good guy.
We are all on our journeys and we all come across a situation or two that we are not quite sure how to deal with it.
Or some s**t. :p

[aranuk]

It is very difficult sometimes to be on two different planes of existence at the same time. I am forever doing the same Fred. I keep telling myself Stan we are all one. He is you and you are him, she is me and I am her. I am this and she is that. It's not an easy drive folks. Sometimes I even think this ONE thing is a load of crap. Maybe it is meant to be sometimes who knows? Sometimes the 3D is perfect for some and other times it is hell for others. We are all human and make mistakes. And sometimes we don't. Years ago when I was doing shadow work it sometimes was easier to accept as part of myself some murderer than to accept that I was also a saint. The golden shadow for me was the hardest to integrate and blend into myself.

Stan

[Star1111]

Following on from Fred's recent post - IMO It IS more authentic to realise and voice our opinions, if we want to, that these people are damaged/evil/bad/disturbed - whatever word we want to use for them and to dislike what they do and feel repulsed by it...... that's being honest.
If we are really feeling that but we 'pretend' we are not because we feel that this is the wrong way to feel if we feel this way we won't attain enlightenment then thats un-authentic and somewhat self oppressing in my view.
Anyone IMO who doesn't find the story of John Couey and others like him disturbing, then I would question that.

What I'm trying to say (but not very well) is that being spiritual, peaceful loving souls doesn't mean you won't feel this repulsion and be made angry by it - to me that's acceptable.
Yes, of course we want to be able to work with our higher self and not be led by our minds but by our hearts, we want to reach full enlightenment and we want to tame or move towards lessening the Ego's influence .............. but we ARE humans and I believe we incarnated in this form to be able to experience all the sences/feelings that come with being human.
Our job is to SEE those emotions and feeling for what they are .

What is not acceptable to me is if we all get get caught up in the frenzy of something like this - Gadaffi's death.
This sort of behaviour e.g kicking a dead body around, hair pulling, parading a dead body around the streets, using hateful angry words, smiling at somones demise - I feel is very dangerous for all of us.

I'm not saying "ah poor Gadaffi how awful" - no way - I believe "you reap what you sow". He lived by the sword and he died by the sword.

I'm probably not making sence as its the end of the week and I'm very tired and I have been really disturbed by some of the stories and pictures this week re Gadaffi and the little girl in Beijing.

Rest time now for me I think ................:brushteeth: Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[truth4me]

One thing Gaddafi brought up makes me think about the border wars in Arizona. The indians ----America is really their land and it was took from them. Yet we have people wanting to keep the Mexicans out of "our land"....everything stinks. No wonder we all are on this prison planet. Who in their right minds would want earthlings coming to their planet.....

[shamanseeker]

Yes, Pharoah, I worked with Libyans: the majority of whom, apart from 2, were real gentlemen. The British I worked with on the other hand, apart from 2, were money-grabbing, scared-for-their-jobs, bowing-to-their-masonic-lords hypocrites. I won't go into details but my experience at that time was probably the beginning of my awakening. I am really sorry to see what they have done to Ghaddafi even though it was probably inevitable bar the populations of the western world waking up and stopping their millionaire, murderous leaders from continuing with this bloodletting. I cringe when I think of what the populations of these countries must think of us.

[Maia Gabrial]

The murderers must be so proud of themselves....Sad and pathetic.... And I'll bet that NONE of the so called rebels are Libyans....

[Maia Gabrial]

Yay! It's probably oil STOLEN from the Libyan people. I'm just so NOT proud of our world right now.... :tsk:

[Lord Sidious]

One thing Gaddafi brought up makes me think about the border wars in Arizona. The indians ----America is really their land and it was took from them. Yet we have people wanting to keep the Mexicans out of "our land"....everything stinks. No wonder we all are on this prison planet. Who in their right minds would want earthlings coming to their planet.....

People ''owning'' land is the old paradigm.
We need to get to a situation where we can learn a new skill, to share.
There is more than enough land for all, it is just that they still attach ''value'' to it and so it is fought over, literally and metaphorically.

[161803398]

One word: Dimona

There have been a lot of threads started around this, so not sure if everyone saw this:

RFvpfkUyBqE

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFvpfkUyBqE



Thanks Viralspiral.

[161803398]

What do they think of us? I think some of them will learn our governments tactics from us -- see what we do and become like us...it always happens. Then we get the karma.

I do speak to a lot of people from Asia and the Middle east. I think the Middle Eastern people have some sympathy for us and think we need to be educated. I think many people in Asia just think we are stupid - except for the Irish -- almost everyone loves the Irish.

The rest of the world know the situation and know that we are being lied to by our government. The difference between us and them is that they grew up knowing that and we are just learning it.

We have to stop being so gullible and egocentric. We have to accept that whatever we see or or hear is potential, even probable manipulation and we have to learn to see with our own minds. We have to stop being dumb and blind.

[jagman]

http://youtu.be/LVUHP64A2eg

http://youtu.be/hVNhdO5ojD4

[161803398]

They need freedom to eat at MacDonalds. Does anyone have any idea who these people are, really (the one's in the happy videos -- aside from the ex pats in London)

Here is Pilger with a BBC reporter talking about the lies they tell:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/video/2010/dec/10/john-pilger-war-you-don-t-see

[161803398]

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[Carmody]

One thing Gaddafi brought up makes me think about the border wars in Arizona. The indians ----America is really their land and it was took from them. Yet we have people wanting to keep the Mexicans out of "our land"....everything stinks. No wonder we all are on this prison planet. Who in their right minds would want earthlings coming to their planet.....

People ''owning'' land is the old paradigm.
We need to get to a situation where we can learn a new skill, to share.
There is more than enough land for all, it is just that they still attach ''value'' to it and so it is fought over, literally and metaphorically.

We have to live like breathing.

Inhale: We take exactly what we need to survive the moment and not one gram more.

exhale: the rest is sent back for the rest of the community to use as they need -in their given moment.

[Aurelius]

i finding it interesting to remember dan burisch said (if anything that comes out his mouth is true) gaddafi was given a looking glass unit to play with .. he used it to look forward in time and see the results of various scenario's ... eventually they took the unit back (they are addictive in their power) and all looking glass units in use around the world were dismantled (because of the energetic effects they were creating on certain time-lines in the future).. i wonder how this ties into gaddafi's fate?

.. i'm not aware of gaddafi ever spilling the beans about this. maybe just maybe these is something floating around in arabic. i wouldn't trust any translations (sub titles) to be accurate though.

somewhere i have a copy of the video where burisch says the above.

here's a similar slant (wilcock says gaddafi found a unit buried, burisch says it was given to him) i managed to dig up from wilcock (3:42):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0TlCA0BABo

[161803398]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIe6dp7ikGs

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChpO9xmiI5M

[Eric J (Viking)]

Ahem guys ....check this out! .......... thoughts?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCInMnxHUww&feature=share

viking


Its very strange some more photoshoped pictures here ... and it is soooo obvious!! ?! :confused: do I smell a rat?


Warning: This link includes gruesome image (http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/294420_2556864081020_1236534512_33115973_233996086_n.jpg)


viking

[math330]

^
the body lying dead in cold storage in Misrata, and accompanying HD video footage points towards it not being photoshopped.

[Eric J (Viking)]

^
the body lying dead in cold storage in Misrata, and accompanying HD video footage points towards it not being photoshopped.

I agree Math ...but it is very strange that we have a couple out there presented by the media that have been photshopped?!!

Doesn't add up ... I don't think that any of the Vids have been doctured ... but why some of the pics? *shrugs*

viking

[Maia Gabrial]

I'm glad there are people like this woman telling what's REALLY happening over there....What a difference this story makes, too....Where is she speaking?

NATO is disgusting....The day will come when they will be sorry and ashamed of what they've done....
It was mentioned that everything was great under Kaddafi. IMO that was what bothered the UN, the criminals of the US and Israel....
Thank you for this video, 161.... I never saw it before....

[DevilPigeon]

Ahem guys ....check this out! .......... thoughts?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCInMnxHUww&feature=share

viking


Its very strange some more photoshoped pictures here ... and it is soooo obvious!! ?! :confused: do I smell a rat?


Warning: This link includes gruesome image (http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/294420_2556864081020_1236534512_33115973_233996086_n.jpg)

viking

PLUS it was mentioned on the BBC that Gaddhafi was shot in his right hand before being "executed".... Picture above shows right hand... Let's play "find the wound!" shall we?

[xeon]

Ahem guys ....check this out! .......... thoughts?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCInMnxHUww&feature=share

viking


Its very strange some more photoshoped pictures here ... and it is soooo obvious!! ?! :confused: do I smell a rat?


Warning: This link includes gruesome image (http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/294420_2556864081020_1236534512_33115973_233996086_n.jpg)

viking

Hi Viking,

I just feel compelled to reply here because these photos are doing the rounds again.

These photos are confirmed to be fake, and they were released many months ago. However, what happened a few days ago, was very, very likely, the real thing. Even pro Gaddafi websites have conceded that he has gone.

You won't get one accurate version from the rebels of how he died, because of the natural human propensity to lie, but what I've pieced together on what happened that day was that he and his men were trying to flee Sirte (which was doomed to fall) early in the morning, but their convoy was attacked by waiting French aircraft even before they could get a short distance out.

Almost all of Gaddafi's remaining (loyal) men were massacred in a scene which I believe is reminiscent of the Kuwait Highway of Death. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_of_Death

I guess it's all like a video game to these guys.:mad2: News reports say at least 95 bodies were found burnt and mangled at the scene.

Gaddafi (already injured) and a few men ran and hid underneath some sewer tunnels underneath the highway, but a rebel group surrounded them at both ends of the tunnel. Gaddafi surrendered, but was then seized and lynched by the rebels. All the men with him died.

By the time the ambulance came for him he was already dead. It is also believed they shot him twice (before or after he died is inconsequential).

That man was a hero who died fighting the Illuminati scum. It's been a terrible week for me, first with that poor little girl who got run down twice, and now, this.

Get ready for crocodile tears from these bastards in the future (Don't be surprised if this happens in a few years from now, going by history). Many people are vilified while they are alive and then when they are dead and gone, are eulogised.

[jjjones]

Hi All! ?Wag the Dog? De jevu? what a coincidence that Gaddafi and saddam were found hiding in their home towns.! hard for me to understand the logic that these two leaders would go to their hometowns to "hide out", when they could leave their country any time with their wealth in tow. go figure! Stupidity! Both of these men were minding their own business and BAM! All of a sudden for no good reason their countries are under attack & innocent lives are lost and homes destroyed. The "peace keeping" organization called the U.N. and their cronies(elite banksters) are saving the rest of the world's freedom(lol) from these terrible, unscrupulous, bio-weapons, nuclear weapons feigns and terriorsts. Osama had the fastest death and burial which was a world record breaker! LOL Now Gaddafi's supposed death is going to drag on for a while, what a change of gears! These games the elite play are so ridiculous! They have been found out and a majority of people can see through them and can play the game too. by chance that Gaddafi's death is REAL, for me it is sickening and the same for his son and grandchildren being killed. This crap has to stop. enough of this b.s. Gaddafi didn't play the banking game with these jerks and was in the process of funding an Africian Monetary Fund to keep the African continent free from the western Banksters.( Why are we sending some troops to so call "help" teach the Africian's how to protect their continent.) He had mega money in U.S bank and tried to withdraw and his funds were frozen. let's not forget the tons of gold that he has and not paper gold. also has a mega ancient aquafir of PURE water that Gaddafi built a pipeline to chad, niger etc to supply water not only for drinking but to irrigate their land for growing NON-GMO crops, monsanto was missing out on this one. the way water is being polluted and destroyed in the world today, doesn't this aquafir sound better than gold. pure, clean, pristine uncontaminated water. It is a life source. the citizens of Libya live better than the citizens of the western world. They had no banksters to deal with, they had what our forefathers wanted for this country. the education in Libyia was free, even college and if a student wanted to go to school in another country, they could go and it was PAID IN FULL! I could go on with more, but I am sure that this is a little long to endure. My condolences to Gaddafi's family and countrymen, especially the people of the country, they were really one of the better systems left, now the western elitist have infiltrated their banking system, down the tubes they go. Surmising that Gaddafi is deceased, his death was due to the fact that he wouldn't play the game of "monopoly" and had control of his own money. He was taken down because those sanctimonious elite/U.N wanted CONTROL to infiltrate and control Libyia and more countries. next on the chopping block, Syria and on and on they go! to all of you, namaste, peace and love universally :)

[modwiz]

Sad. I had avoided the grotesque images of bullet ridden heads until this thread. I do not appreciate this. This is ****ed up. I am disgusted. WTF is wrong with people? Can't a person come to this forum without being exposed to gruesome photos. Some people just don't get it. This is like putting sh!t on a plate to eat. It shows how deep the desensitizing programming is that someone would just put this picture in a thread.

Post a link to this crap with a warning. Wake the fark up, please!

If this happens again I might just skype with people who 'get it". No wonder the world is such a ****ing mess. So many a$$holes.

[ThePythonicCow]

Sad. I had avoided the grotesque images of bullet ridden heads until this thread.
I just changed the three copies of the gruesome image of Gaddafi above to text links with warnings.