The Unconscious Assassin: Derren Brown

[Tarka the Duck]

Did any of my fellow UK residents watch the latest Derren Brown offering last night - The Assassin – as part of his series, The Experiments? (Unfortunately, I think Channel 4 has a block on viewing his programmes anywhere other than in the UK, but do check YouTube if you are interested)

Mind blowing. We have seen him perform live – the man is amazing!

For those of you who don't know Derren, “he is a performer who combines magic, suggestion, psychology, misdirection and showmanship in order to seemingly predict and control human behaviour, as well as performing mind-bending feats of mentalism” (this is taken from his website).

Anyway, what I saw last night really shocked me. His material is often controversial, and this programme was no exception. The “experiment” was to see whether an ordinary person, under hypnosis, would carry out an “assassination” against a celebrity, and then have no knowledge of the act afterwards.

Derren made reference to conspiracy theories about the possible use of hypnosis in assassinations, and MK Ultra, specifically citing the case of Sirhan Sirhan, who has always denied murdering Robert Kennedy and says he has no memory of carrying out the shooting. I suppose that I had always clung to the hope that no one would carry out an act under hypnosis that they would find abhorrent when in their “normal” mind.

After a lengthy selection process, one man was chosen for the easy way in which he responded to Derren's suggestions.

To cut a long story short, the chosen man “shot” Stephen Fry during a live performance in front of an audience. He had no memory of doing this, as a polygraph test later showed.

I haven't started this thread to discuss the ethics of using hypnosis for “experiments” such as these - rather to share my realisation that this is indeed possible.

[ktlight]

When you consider how indoctrinated we all are, it's like we are almost under complete mind control and, therefore, to tip over into mind control outside of personal control is a demonstrable feat. Indeed, governments consult with mind control expertise, such as Common Purpose, which has changed its name recently, for the sole purpose of perfecting their techniques of population control. Serious business and stage managed.

John Lennon's assassinator was to all intents and purposes mind controlled, as was the one first accused of JFK's death.

[ROMANWKT]

Hi Tarka the Duck
I have always warned people on how easily we the human races mind is manipulated, I warn my wife and daughter about subliminal, I warn them about TV and films, they think I am nuts, this is real stuff and its going on everywhere in real time now. if they cant get you from the unmentionable doctrine, they'll get you with multimedia, its far easier. thank you for that, and yes I saw it.

regards to you
roman

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Tarka I'm going to watch it, missed it last night I just checked 4 OD they have put it up. I've seen most of his shows and although he usually likes to debunk

whatever he is doing first, he then elaborately does whatever the show is about, then explains how he has done it.....Finally he always has an amazing twist which shows

you he is just teasing and you are none the wiser and shows what a master illusionist he is......Or is it MAGIC !!!

This is different it is an experiment and shows you as Walter Bowarte and others have stated it is possible to mind control someone to commit MURDER !

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/derren-brown-the-experiments/4od#3242945

I don't know if it works outside UK Cheers Steve

[Cidersomerset]

This is Brilliant and Chilling

1st experiment......4 subjects threw acid in volunteers face.....All did it....

2nd " ......2 subjects put their hands in frozen water...and kept them there untill unsafe..

3rd " ..... chosen subject sat in frozen bath again untill unsafe, he felt warm untill awoken..

Darren spoke to two experts who say it is impossible make a ordinary person kill someone under hypnosis .

4th " ..... Teach him to shoot , normal he was not very good.... Under hypnosis he was told he was a marksman and he hit the bull twice..

Darren says the assassination programming is on course....

5th " ......Amnesia .....teaching him to forget , and inserting missing time,Then he makes him give Darren his pin number, quite funny and scary...Then he steals his shoe, very funny..

6th " .....Dry Run...He shoots a man with a waterpistol in a restuarant under hypnosis......Scary .......

5th " .....Polygrath Test.................passes easy

6th " ......The big event ....The Assassination of Steven Fry.!!! under hypnosis


SAHAN SAHAN ......Is innocent.......


OMG...Absolutely amazing....It confirms what we all knew.....What will happen next ?

probably nothing in the mainstream....But its massive confimation of mind control....

The subject thought he was at the range when he shoots Stephen in the theatre , exactly like Sirhan Sirhan and there is a clip of Sirhan saying it in the programme...A must watch for all....Steve

One of Darrens other experiments was to teach a member of public to be a hero by landing a passenger jet full of passengers when the pilots fall ill....another great show....and shows if the Hijakers did fly the planes ,they could have under hypnosis, but thats another story...

[laughs-last]

I'm not under mind control :( I LOVE MY GOVERNMENT THEY HAVE MY SUPPORT, MY GOVERNMENT IS BETTER THAN CHOCOLATE............... I find such notions that I am under control to be highly insulting. :P

ONE LOVE, BIG HUGZ and O.W.N.'d :jester:

[Tony]

Unfortunately there another side to all this. Derren has made a series called Messiah, and Trick of the Mind on channel 4, I'll put a link but it will only show in certain countries.
He shows how the New Age community does not test or challenge what it hears, and can be made to believe anything.

This will upset some...sorry! Look and see what you think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu2--kQj39w&feature=related Watch 4.30 minutes in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q9BN4WUULI&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL192B2031F78CA288

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq1NTbvwHmc

[ROMANWKT]

I'm not under mind control :( I LOVE MY GOVERNMENT THEY HAVE MY SUPPORT, MY GOVERNMENT IS BETTER THAN CHOCOLATE............... I find such notions that I am under control to be highly insulting. :P

ONE LOVE, BIG HUGZ and O.W.N.'d :jester:

Hi laughs-last

I read your first report, I think you can see right through them hehe
regards
roman

[Cidersomerset]

Have you watched it yet pie'n'eal, i except trickery, and I have seen most of his shows but I have not seen him this positive about anything conspirital.

Normally he goes out of his way to say its a trick or whatever. 'Mind control is deffinately real' , and this is the first time in a mainstream show

I've seen it proven. Whether you believe it or not is up to the individual , but it confirms Sirhan sirhans story , and others as well as our whistleblowers

Aaron McCullom and Duncan O'Finnion...So I encourage everyone to watch it and make your mind up.. Steve

[vibrations]

I don't like him, there is something very dangerous inside. And absolute disrespect to anyone's belief is something which tells us a lot about him.

[58andfixed]

Most people don't even exercise 'Free Will.'

They simply react to triggers and suggestions not of their own making.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dt-fdqrd3Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dt-fdqrd3Q

7m 15s 17,935 views

The title of the video is mis-labeled. Derren uses NLP.

Derren Brown seeds the idea of what Simon Pleggs thinks he needs to have.

Technique is used over and over on the general population.

When an idea pops into our mind, the first step to question if it is our own idea -- or one suggested for us.

A mind needs to be capable of challenging any question or desire that 'pops into' our mind, to truly know if is ours,, or if it sourced in social engineering.

Television is far more TOXIC than people give it credit for.

- 58

[Cidersomerset]

Wow people this is why this programme is good, he is a 'Debunker'....and why I'm surprised he done it....Steve..

[58andfixed]

It isn't about liking or not liking the technique.

It's about being informed about how people and what 'we think' can be easily manipulated, and not just being aware, but understanding it as well.

The process of being much more actively involved in every act a person chooses to do, I believe, is the essence of making a mind that is not as easily manipulated.

- 58


I don't like him, there is something very dangerous inside.

And absolute disrespect to anyone's belief is something which tells us a lot about him.

[ROMANWKT]

Unfortunately there another side to all this. Derren has made a series called Messiah, and Trick of the Mind on channel 4, I'll put a link but it will only show in certain countries.
He shows how the New Age community does not test or challenge what it hears, and can be made to believe anything.

This will upset some...sorry! Look and see what you think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu2--kQj39w&feature=related Watch 4.30 minutes in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q9BN4WUULI&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL192B2031F78CA288

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq1NTbvwHmc

Hi Tony
Yes I saw the whole program, and still people had a problem with that exposure, what can I say that has not been said already, a very good point.

regards as always
roman

[58andfixed]

There is plenty of evidence to support that 'truth' can be placed in the public domain, and few would recognize it as such, if they found it.

Most are simply content to wait to watch whatever shows up on a broadcast channel. The masses get to discover little, nor get to make sense of much.

The greater the ignorance, the easier it is to mislead.

- 58
he is a 'Debunker'....and why I'm surprised he done it....Steve..

[vibrations]

It isn't about liking or not liking the technique.

It's about being informed about how people and what 'we think' can be easily manipulated, and not just being aware, but understanding it as well.

The process of being much more actively involved in every act a person chooses to do, I believe, is the essence of making a mind that is not as easily manipulated.

- 58


I don't like him, there is something very dangerous inside.

And absolute disrespect to anyone's belief is something which tells us a lot about him.

I absolutely agree with you. Maybe I just know a lot about this kind of manipulation, that what I am centering on, is a person who is doing it. And his way is showing me a lot of undesirable characteristics of his mind.

[Russ1959]

Derrens technique often uses the power of symbology and the sublimal to manipulate his subjects and it works every single time!

As said previouisly he always demonstrates or spills the beans of how its done.

So if he can do it publicly, god knows what crap we are all ingesting on an everyday basis outside and inside of our homes!

[Carmody]

Did any of my fellow UK residents watch the latest Derren Brown offering last night - The Assassin – as part of his series, The Experiments? (Unfortunately, I think Channel 4 has a block on viewing his programmes anywhere other than in the UK, but do check YouTube if you are interested)

Mind blowing. We have seen him perform live – the man is amazing!

For those of you who don't know Derren, “he is a performer who combines magic, suggestion, psychology, misdirection and showmanship in order to seemingly predict and control human behaviour, as well as performing mind-bending feats of mentalism” (this is taken from his website).

Anyway, what I saw last night really shocked me. His material is often controversial, and this programme was no exception. The “experiment” was to see whether an ordinary person, under hypnosis, would carry out an “assassination” against a celebrity, and then have no knowledge of the act afterwards.

Derren made reference to conspiracy theories about the possible use of hypnosis in assassinations, and MK Ultra, specifically citing the case of Sirhan Sirhan, who has always denied murdering Robert Kennedy and says he has no memory of carrying out the shooting. I suppose that I had always clung to the hope that no one would carry out an act under hypnosis that they would find abhorrent when in their “normal” mind.

After a lengthy selection process, one man was chosen for the easy way in which he responded to Derren's suggestions.

To cut a long story short, the chosen man “shot” Stephen Fry during a live performance in front of an audience. He had no memory of doing this, as a polygraph test later showed.

I haven't started this thread to discuss the ethics of using hypnosis for “experiments” such as these - rather to share my realization that this is indeed possible.

For Sirhan, it would be simple. Hypnotized and programmed to believe someone slipped him a fake gun with blank bullets and that the whole thing was a stage play. That the whole thing was being filmed for an episode of candid camera and everyone was an actor. As long as he is never let near the gun and cannot realize it is a 'real' gun, then there is no reason it would not hold.

As well, the CIA/Skull&Bones and their Blue flashing light method of indoctrination (only one aspect) is quite powerful, when combined with hypnotic techniques and drugs.

As for the whole thing being buried in him, we all have things we'd like to not remember and we DO INDEED engage in the actual destruction of the neural connections that form the memory and the path to it. We do this chemcially.

As well, the opposite is true, states of ecstasy do indeed form new neural connections, which is part of our love aspect, our connections to others and things in this life that give us good feelings.

Meditation and Kunadlini exercises WILL indeed in full actual reality, increase your neural connectedness, bring about a more natural connection to the realms of dimension, and increase your intelligence and connection to the ethereal all.

Regarding Neural growth and neural death.....these are facts, it has been proven factually true, scientifically......it is not conjecture.

Thus: Oddly... it really is possible to bring growth to the self on all levels...by grabbing one's own butt and heaving as hard as possible. :p

As well, one should try and understand that when these folks play with the blue flashing light technique as combined with others, that those people are toying with the duality system of incarnation.

Sooner or later, those beings will be leaving the system of incarnation.

The universe has patience.

[Cidersomerset]

Its up on U Tube already.......Stephen fry who's show QI is also firmly based in mainstream would not be involved in this if he thought Derren a fraud, and he has been on a previous Derren Show...

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Derren is all about suggestion and manipulation of the mind and trickery which is the whole point of mind control imho....Steve

[Lost Soul]

Remember Duncan O'Finian said about his training? Under torture, the soul (p1) flees the body, permitting another personality (p2) to step in. That other personality is trained for specific missions. So, when a person (p1) does a mission, it is as if another person (p2) is doing it and there is no knowledge of it by the original person (p1)

[the trojan]

Its up on U Tube already.......Stephen fry who's show QI is also firmly based in mainstream would not be involved in this if he thought Derren a fraud, and he has been on a previous Derren Show...

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Derren is all about suggestion and manipulation of the mind and trickery which is the whole point of mind control imho....Steve

thanks for posting these cidersomersert,
can i ask you a question though,what do you mean by,'would not beinvolved in this if he thought Derren a fraud.'...?
A fraud what?

[Cidersomerset]

Thats true different methods for different times , Derren is a genious at what he does, every show is thoroughly thought thru , and planned to the last detail.

You may believe he is a fraud but I don't think so just a master of illusionist, hypnotist and mind manipulator , ask anyone he has put under or has been at a live show.

He was deffinately on Sirhans side in the fact, the assassination of Robert Kennedy was a conspiricy and was possible to be done under 'mind control'.....

[Cidersomerset]

Stephen Fry is a showbiz legend in the UK , and has a show called QI , which is based on answering facts in an amusing way, and keeps to facts as taught by mainstream

history and science etc...So if he thought Derren was faking this experiment I don't think Stephen would endorse it in any way !!

... Thats all Steve

P.S. 'I think this is a genuine experiment'

[Cidersomerset]

I like how at the start he states that the 1952 Hypnotism act of parliment forbids live hypnosis techniques to be broadcast on TV in case someone is put under, and cannot be brought out of the hypnosis !

So years ago governments knew the power of hypnosis...and its obvious covert uses.....Steve

http://www.mindspring.com/~txporter/sec3.htm


Of Course mainstream and TPTB 'debunk' hypnosis its part of one of there main mind control weapons..

[vibrations]

It is TV, so, the natural logic of TV is 100% lie and their only goal is audience, so my logic is telling me it is not genuine.

I believe that secret services use the mind control beyond what we could imagine, programmed assassins, and more and more. With a method which permanently damage the psychic world of the individual, the split personality techniques achieved with all kind of torture and suffering.

It's quite easy for a trained hypnotist to get the obedient specimen under control, but this is subject of being present almost all the time and the sequence of acts have to be followed quite fast one after another. And there is also an explanation why some person can be hypnotist and others no.

But don't forget it is TV, and in TV nothing is real.

[Cidersomerset]

Darren also pointed out that Sirhan was triggered by a mystery woman wearing apolka dots dress which is what the lady in front of him was wearing. Even if its an illusion it proves without doubt it can be done imho...

[the trojan]

that was great
and evidence for programmimg of assassins.
I was asking earlier about the word fraud in association with darren.
If something is not a fraud it is genuine
In Darrens case he is a genuine..............
whatever he is taht was a really good programme.

[Trail]

I have posted a thread about "Derren Brown - Nature of beliefs", here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?25611-Derren-Brown-really-scares-me--The-nature-of-beliefs.

[Cidersomerset]

Heres a documentry showing an insight into Derrens private life...

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The original card trick with Stephen Fry is shown and it is very funny,,

Steve

[Ammit]

This was fantastic and a serious eye opener, thanks for posting it.

I believe in the power of suggestion. I looked into self hypnosis years ago when I wanted to stop smoking, I told myself daily that the smell of cigarette smoke was making me feel sicker and sicker, then one morning after breakfast I lit a cigarette and vomited.

I stopped smoking for quite a while, I dont know how long suggestion can stay in our minds or subconcience but after about a year, I started again.

Never bothered to try it again though.

[Bollinger]

It is TV, so, the natural logic of TV is 100% lie and their only goal is audience, so my logic is telling me it is not genuine.

I believe that secret services use the mind control beyond what we could imagine, programmed assassins, and more and more. With a method which permanently damage the psychic world of the individual, the split personality techniques achieved with all kind of torture and suffering.

It's quite easy for a trained hypnotist to get the obedient specimen under control, but this is subject of being present almost all the time and the sequence of acts have to be followed quite fast one after another. And there is also an explanation why some person can be hypnotist and others no.

But don't forget it is TV, and in TV nothing is real.

Agree with this wholeheartedly. If any of it was real he would be using it to mind control people who commit crimes into becoming saints. Can he do that with 100% success? Does he mind control people into being well if they're sick? Does he mind control people to stop over eating and doing more exercise? Paul Mckenna tried something like that on TV and it sort of fizzled out. David Blane was the flavour of the month a while ago and we don't see much of him either these days. Do you think people just make a bit of money and then disappear into the background to be replaced by the next hopeful?

I find it extremely tedious to sit and watch any kind of magic or trickery show because to me it is something that has minimal value as it is being done for the sake of "entertainment"? If you want to entertain me show me a cure for cancer, for all diseases, the road to free energy, a way to end hunger; then I'll take notice and I might even sit through the adverts, which is another pain I cannot bear.

Yes he is good at his trade and executes it with great skill but other than that it's nothing more than a bit of "fun".

[Calz]

I'm not under mind control :( I LOVE MY GOVERNMENT THEY HAVE MY SUPPORT, MY GOVERNMENT IS BETTER THAN CHOCOLATE............... I find such notions that I am under control to be highly insulting. :P

ONE LOVE, BIG HUGZ and O.W.N.'d :jester:

Oh my gosh ... we have lost yet another good one.

To you laughs-last :yo:

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Anyway ...

Great thread ... fascinating topic.

[Cidersomerset]

So the question is why prove that Sirhan Sirhan may have been a victim of mind control ? Because he believes it is possible imho....Steve

[Calz]

Couple things.

Duncan has already been brought up. Depending on how far down the rabbit hole you want to go here is the wiki version of Cathy O'Brien. Her material is not for the faint of heart but if her allegations are true then the number and level of leaders involved (directly or indirectly) numbs the mind.


Cathy O'Brien

Cathleen Ann O'Brien (born 4 December 1957, Muskegon, Michigan[1]) is an American who claims to be a victim of Project MKULTRA, a program funded by the Central Intelligence Agency to research the use of drugs for intelligence purposes.[2][3][4][5][6] O'Brien made these claims in Trance Formation of America (1995) and Access Denied: For Reasons of National Security (2004) which she co-authored with her husband Mark Phillips.[6] O'Brien is one of many people publicly claiming to have survived 'CIA mind control' programs.

There is no credible evidence for O'Brien's memories, which were retrieved through the use of hypnosis. The specific program which she claimed was responsible for her dissociative identity disorder, Project Monarch, is not mentioned in reviews of MKULTRA, its alleged parent program. Because most MKULTRA records were deliberately destroyed in 1973 by order of then CIA Director Richard Helms, it has been difficult, if not impossible, for investigators to gain a complete understanding of the more than 150 individually funded research sub-projects sponsored by MKULTRA and related CIA programs. She also claims recollection of physical & psychological torture & sexual molestations - done to her and her daughter - by international pedophile rings, drug barons & religious figures. A sex slave aspect to 'trauma based mind control programming' is a key theme of her story. Individuals; from United States, Canadian, Mexican and Saudi Arabian government officials, to stars of the Country and Western music scene; are among those she accuses of these crimes. Investigations produced no credible evidence and numerous inconsistencies.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathy_O%27Brien


Something else of interest was the Pete Peterson interview.

http://projectcamelot.org/pete_peterson.html

He suggested around 15% of humanity has at least some resistance to mind control due to (memory serving) "offworld" dna or genetics.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Calz- Thats why I started the other thread , The Cathy O'Brian interviews are good, there is also a documentry I'm going to watch called
CIA drugs op, about the CIA flooding US cities with drugs in the early 80's which I'll put on the new thread when/i've seen it....

Back to Derren he is a showman, but extremely clever see his documentry to get an insight into the man, he is human flaws and all and its a enjoyable watch with plenty of input from his subjects both celebs and members of the public...

If he found out he could not make the subject shoot Stephen Fry he would still have shown it.....Steve

[Tony]

Don't forget advertising, it is very seductive. We are bombarded day and night. Everything in your mind has been placed there. However you are free to let go.... If you can!

[Cidersomerset]

Concious exposure in normal advertising most people are aware of , and can switch off from but short burst sublinimal exposure is what advertisers use to

expose their products to our unconcious mind....

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[Lifebringer]

Google has bought you tube and therefore shut down any communication or information that may awaken anybody. Looks like the meditation is gonna have to kick into full gear.

They have muted all video and you can see, but not hear even if you sign up to their NSA spy network of personal information auctioning to corporate advertisers who you all know, want to call the shots/control all that WE the people know.

So shut them down and create another site. First facebook, now YouTube.

CREEPS.

[Tony]

Advertising is very very subtle, it is even part of the class structure. I used to be in advertising, the Daimler and the Jagur were the same car, but sold differently. Even the TV channel and Radio stations are part of this class identification practice. Once you get people to identify with a class, you can sell them any idea! The ABCD...s are all worked out. It is even in the language we use, the types of words we use, the sentence structures, and how you pronounce your vowels.
If you think you are the type of person that isn't affected by advertising, then you ARE in one of their categories.

Be afraid...be very afraid! If you eating a " healthy" diet......then they are killing you!!! Look up Barry Groves SECOND OPINION.

[Tarka the Duck]

Of course, Derren Brown is first and foremost an entertainer: some will enjoy him. Some will loathe him.
And he makes good money from doing what he does.
But I do think there is a little more to him than that.

The thing I like about him is his passion for debunking the “industry” of hoaxes, scams, and other methods of mind control that are being used on ordinary people.

He is genuinely fascinated by the power of the mind, and is attempting to show us to how this power can be used against us by religions, the media, advertising....the PTB.
His exposure of the hypocrisy and greed of institutions such as the faith healing industry was soooo satisfying!

He was interviewed by Richard Dawkins as part of The Enemies of Reason documentary – there are 6 YouTube videos of this interview where he explains about the techniques he uses, such as cold reading.

He has also made great efforts to explain what it is that he is doing: he is not a “magician” who hides behind expensive tricks that he has bought from someone else. He says he has no psychic powers – in fact, he is vehement in his scepticism about the paranormal - and it is truly fascinating to hear him explain exactly how he uses suggestion, psychology and misdirection along with reading the subtle messages we give off through our face and body.

And I do feel just a tiny little bit wiser and more aware from listening to his explanations...

I have seen his live show and watched him work at close quarters.
Staggering.
I have no idea at all how he does what he does!
You may choose to say it is all trickery.
But I am as sure as I can be that he is no fraud - but of course, I would change that belief should it be proved otherwise.
And I am one of the biggest sceptics I know...:o

I don't know if he has another, secret agenda.
Until someone proves that he does, it is all down to our own opinion.
That's mine!

[Cidersomerset]

What I cannot understand about the replies we have had so far apart from me and Tarka & KTlight no one seems to think Sirhan Sirhan was mind controlled and at least this showed it could be done,
Derren is fascinated with mind control and his motive seems to be Sirhan Sirhans 14th refusal of parole in march 2011.....For me he obviously wanted to see if it could be done,
and he did......I know people are jaded on here but it really excited me and I have watched it 3 times.....Cheers Steve..

The press have been trying to 'debunk' him for years......

[Amysenthia]

I just have to post an answer to Vibrations that I love that you use the VEndetta avatar as your post unsignia. I really am resonating more with this logo recently.

[Cottage Rose]

Most people don't even exercise 'Free Will.'

They simply react to triggers and suggestions not of their own making.


When an idea pops into our mind, the first step to question if it is our own idea -- or one suggested for us.

A mind needs to be capable of challenging any question or desire that 'pops into' our mind, to truly know if is ours,, or if it sourced in social engineering.



- 58
You are so correct, 58, we must question every thought and idea that pop in and constantly be engaged in proactively programming ourselves so that the undesirable suggestions of of others will have no room to take hold.

For instance, you walk in an area where a TV is on. A loud voice announces 1 out of 3 people will get cancer while imagery to back up this statement and statistics roll by in bold letters. Heard enough times and accepted while in a "TV trance" , this idea can take root, create fear, and eventually, perhaps, cause the listener to perpetuate this statistic. But, if a person has immunized themselves by proactively setting in place a program instructing their subconscious to draw in information and energies that will allow them to lead a life doing all that is necessary to remain cancer free, this destructive suggestion will be immediately tossed out as false.

Trance states and proactive self hypnosis are very valuable tools. Even a stadium full of mass suggestion will be rejected if it conflicts with already existing deeply rooted positive programs.

[Corncrake]

Have finally found a free 45 mins to watch this. Very very interesting. Certainly supports some of the MK Ultra theories out there. It is also good to hear Sirhan Sirhan's case mentioned on mainstream television again. I remember years ago Stephen Fry appearing on a show about psychic phenomena and being very loudly sceptical. While I generally like him this side of him has always irritated me especially his siding with James Randi. I obviously don't like charlatans either but there is so much more to it than that. Anyway, the fact that he even agreed to take part in something like this immediately for me imbues the experiment with credibility.

Just wanted to add that if anyone has any doubts about how easily we - the public - are manipulated I would really suggest they watch the mind blowing documentary the Century of Self again. http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-6111922724894802811#docid=-3714196890682907078

[grapevine]

Arguably we are all in a trance state, which is what we are trying to awaken from . . . . But what is real - will we recognise the Truth and when we are awake will we forget the dream . . . ? Will we forget that it ever happened, like the guy who was programmed?

[Anchor]

Television is far more TOXIC than people give it credit for.

Tele Vision
Tel U A Vision

Having a vision is one of the fundamentals of using your creative powers.

Being told a vision is one of the fundamental ways of being used by someone else to do the creative work for them.

Our creative powers set us high, and makes us targets.

[Lisab]

Just watched the video Tarka,thankyou fascinating. I cant load the video that Pie has put up regarding Derren on the New Age, think it could be a good one for me lol! Could anyone out there re-embed it for me please? Sorry to be a pain. Thanks Lisa
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[Calz]

What I cannot understand about the replies we have had so far apart from me and Tarka & KTlight no one seems to think Sirhan Sirhan was mind controlled and at least this showed it could be done,


I have believed that for years ... just have not commented directly on it.

[Tarka the Duck]

I don't like him, there is something very dangerous inside. And absolute disrespect to anyone's belief is something which tells us a lot about him.



I have been pondering this...I'm not sure I understand correctly what you are saying. Do you dislike Derren Brown because he feels strongly enough about people he thinks may be (possibly deliberately) misleading others that he has set out to investigate and possibly expose them?

That raises an interesting point. By taking this action, could he be accused of not respecting people's beliefs?

He often goes into areas associated with belief systems, such as faith healing, psychic powers, evangelicalism, mediums etc. Because these are often personal and deeply held beliefs, does that mean that they should not be scrutinised?

A belief is something that we choose to think: a set of ideas that we have acquired.
It is not US.

So when our belief is criticised, it is not that we are being criticised - even though it can feel that way, especially when it is something we feel strongly about. Just because I may choose to belief something passionately does not mean that I have the right to expect others to automatically respect my belief. As a human, I would like to be treated with politeness and respect...but I can't demand the same for that which I have chosen to believe. And if someone takes the time and trouble to question my belief close hand critically and shows it to be false, then I would like to hope that I would be able to review my choices and not take it as an attack on me personally (I am talking theoretically here....in reality it is far more likely that I would be pretty miffed...).

So, I think we need to try and separate ourselves from our beliefs so that ourselves from our beliefs: an attack on one shouldn't be seen as an attack on the other.
If a belief or idea is to be respected, it needs to earn that respect by standing up to scrutiny and analysis.

I don't really see how examining whether a person has adopted a belief system that is irrational, ill-founded, or even harmful is intolerant or hurtful.

[Tarka the Duck]

Just watched the video Tarka,thankyou fascinating. I cant load the video that Pie has put up regarding Derren on the New Age, think it could be a good one for me lol! Could anyone out there re-embed it for me please? Sorry to be a pain. Thanks Lisa
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Hello Lisa! Try this...

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Kathie

PS This is a bit...hard hitting...if you have certain beliefs. You have been warned!

[Cidersomerset]

I did not doubt you Calz ...just trying to drum up some enthusiasm.......Steve

[Lisab]

Thanks again Tarka. My problem is that Im on a laptop given to me from my friends company that are usually given away to charity, unfortunately we cant find the password to watch videos so I flit back and fore laptop and Iphone. Still cant get the vid tho. Ive even done a search round google and you tube and everytime I find the video it either says cant load or has been disabled. Il look on a friends when I get the chance.

As for my beliefs no drama. I was actually relieved the day when I realised archangel Michael is probaby a programme!!!

[Tarka the Duck]

Thanks again Tarka. My problem is that Im on a laptop given to me from my friends company that are usually given away to charity, unfortunately we cant find the password to watch videos so I flit back and fore laptop and Iphone. Still cant get the vid tho. Ive even done a search round google and you tube and everytime I find the video it either says cant load or has been disabled. Il look on a friends when I get the chance.

As for my beliefs no drama. I was actually relieved the day when I realised archangel Michael is probaby a programme!!!

Hahahahah!!!!! Love it...!

Sorry I can't be of any more help, not being what you would call a technowhizz. Maybe there is someone out there who may be able to help??

Kathie