Awake & Aware 2011 videos

[Spellbound]

Will they be available for free at any time (as previous videos used to be by PC/PA)?? Or will they remain as pay per view??

Peace

Dave - Toronto

[onawah]

I posted a video someone had taken at the Conference of Nassim Haramein's talk recently, and it was removed from PA and from Youtube as well, due to copyright conflicts, I suppose.
I guess we will have to wait until Project Camelot will let us see them for free.
I imagine Kerry will at some point...
I wonder if any earth-shaking developments were revealed...
But I would think if that were the case, we would have heard about it on PA by now.

[Spellbound]

Hi Onawah,

Yes, I just read some of that thread (I did a search for Awake and Aware 2011 to see if this had been discussed and saw that the video was removed...my guess is that is because PC is wanting to charge for it at the moment). My quesion is simply, will the videos eventually be made available for free for everyone to view or will they remain for paying customers only?? As you said, you imagine that will be made available for free...but I'm starting to have my doubts. The videos for the first A&A conference were posted for free almost immediately and were never offered up as PPV only (as these latest videos seem to be). Can anyone clarify either way on this??

Peace

Dave - Toronto

[jmj12]

Best i can do for now copyright bob and jordan having a chat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPmlHli28Ho&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMYwNiNpz9A&feature=player_embedded

highly entertaining imo enjoy

[Helvetic]

The Meaning of Elenin - Part 1 of 13 - Richard Hoagland Awake and Aware Sept 24th 2011

Part 1 of 13


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTkbnK1g2XE

[Mutchie]

truly shocking information this is someone or something trying to get our attention !

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Helvetic wonderfull presentation from Richard Hoagland......

Richard spelt it out but did not go as far to say that Obama is a clone of Arkenaton.

Freeman has no such problems

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Andrew Basiago also says he met a young Obama in his twenties and he told Andrew he was going to be a future President....

[olddragon]

Will I appreciate that PC wants to make the big buck now, I feel that they have really lost the plot and now cater for those with money to spend. Most of it is trash anyway, rehashed info, packaged with a nice bow and presented to everyone. I've given up on PC as its turned into a money making exercise only with now real substance and very little relevance.

[onawah]

I seldom check in on PC myself anymore.
I am open to channeled material if it resonates for me as truthful and positive and timely, but when Kerry took up with the two women channelers, Ashayana Deane and the one just before her whose name I've forgotten, both rather sinister characters, I thought, I lost interest.
I always appreciated her gutsiness, but I think she needs to slow down and rethink her goals.
I think a balanced view is necessary if you really want to get a realistic view of what is happening on the planet now.
I find there is a more balanced approach on PA.


Will I appreciate that PC wants to make the big buck now, I feel that they have really lost the plot and now cater for those with money to spend. Most of it is trash anyway, rehashed info, packaged with a nice bow and presented to everyone. I've given up on PC as its turned into a money making exercise only with now real substance and very little relevance.

[Aryslan]

I 100% agree, onawah. I did the exact same thing. I also believe that Kerry was in it for the bucks, all along.

[firstlook]

I 100% agree, onawah. I did the exact same thing. I also believe that Kerry was in it for the bucks, all along.

lets not start gossiping and slandering people.

:)

[jade]

I don't know how much the tickets for the conference itself cost, how much they made from the live stream and whether the costs involved were met. But surely now getting this information out to people is more important than squeezing as much money as you can out of it.

The profit motive doesn't resonate with me and I have to say makes me question the overall integrity of the organisers.. In these times when people are so confused about the truth of what's really going on surely there's nothing more important than sharing your knowledge / research, spreading the light ..

I'm new here so that may be a bit of a controversial statement but hey

xx

[firstlook]

I don't know how much the tickets for the conference itself cost, how much they made from the live stream and whether the costs involved were met. But surely now getting this information out to people is more important than squeezing as much money as you can out of it.

The profit motive doesn't resonate with me and I have to say makes me question the overall integrity of the organisers.. In these times when people are so confused about the truth of what's really going on surely there's nothing more important than sharing your knowledge / research, spreading the light ..

I'm new here so that may be a bit of a controversial statement but hey

xx

What do you do for a living?

[onawah]

I still think Kerry is performing a service--the kind of information she is sharing needs to come out, and I think she has every right to earn a living from her work.
But for my own individual needs, too much on PC is negatively oriented.
Much of it may all be true, but if we dwell on the negative, there are negative effects.
There are a lot of amazingly positive things that are happening too.
For me, a more balanced approach is necessary.
And I have found Ashayana Deane and the other woman's (whose name I forget) information to be so negative, I actually am concerned about Kerry and her level of discernment these days.

[christian]

Andrew Basiago also says he met a young Obama in his twenties and he told Andrew he was going to be a future President....

Pff, I kept boasting about this, too, when I was younger. Now I'm not so much into politics anymore. :biggrin1:

Akhenaten was one of the very good guys, from my research. I would love it, if this connection truly existed and Obama would turn out to be decent...

[Cidersomerset]

Andrew said he met him when he was part of DARPA Chrononaught programme Where he met Rumsfedt and Bush jnr. Now Andrew is an practicing attorney and very bright.
His storey is fantastic and if true means 'Star Trek ' and 'Time Tunnel' was real back in the sixties and 70's and still going on today per Henry Deacon & Dan Burish etc.....
He has no reason to lie and be riddiculed unless he is mind controlled or something, unfortunanetly there is so much info comming out we have no way of knowing what is
true....we can only follow the general direction and our intuition....I think we all know the official NASA government line is false otherwise we would not be here !!....

As for Kerry I listen to her radio show nearly everyweek and on the whole they are as high a quality as any on the alternate circuit...The adds are annoying and remember she comes from a hollywood comercial background and has lived frugely for the last five yrs.....She and Bill have changed the face of UFO interviews and access over the last five years and we have been spoiled. What direction she takes now is upto her ..The guests at the Awake & Aware don't come cheap. I agree its not in the spirit of disclosure but a fact of life......anyway there is plenty going on here so wish her well, for a great job and long may it continue...Cheers Steve

[Lazlo]

Yep, Kerry's got to make a living. If people can pay, then good for her.

Personally, my feeling is that the vibe of the whole thing has changed. It seems to be the case with most whistleblowers and researchers (or musicians, artists, authors and whole variety of other types as well) that there is a period of time when the quality and quantity of the work is astounding, and then it fades as there is not the inspiration to keep it up.

It doesn't help either that so many radical claims are made, and then they simply don't materialize.

At this point, I automatically tune out anything that references Fulford, Wilcock, Hoagland and about a dozen others. Heck, I am sure that I have personally watched 50 different dates for disclosure, armageddon, pole shifts, etc come and go since I "woke up".

Who is going to be the next "Kerry Cassidy" getting the good scoop on whistleblowers with a simple handycam? I feel like Kerry and Bill took the baton from Greer, and they are probably going to be passing it on soon, whether they realize it or not.

[etm567]

I agree, simply because of the state of the economy. I'm sure Kerry needs money, just like everyone else does, but so many people nowadays are having trouble keeping roofs over their heads and buying food, it is really denying information to many people who would like to have it and who could benefit from it, but who certainly cannot afford to pay for it. I certainly can't. I have a daughter still at home, and I can't buy her good shoes and good food; how can I spend money on conferences? So on that basis I have been completely put off by PC.

I spent many hours transcribing those interviews for PC before the split. I used to get paid good money for that. I can't help but wonder if it even went through Kerry's head that she should offer some of this free at least to people who did volunteer work for her. But that would still leave out people who simply cannot afford it.

Even Ben Fulford gives his info away to folks who say they can't afford to pay.

[Tommy]

Hi,

This is an simple answer.

We nearly got put into debt from the conference, earnings were very low as the ticket price was pushed down as much as possible.

We also paid to have the videos produced and recorded, we also have to pay for having the streaming service running with enough capacity. This is NOT FREE.

Please tell me if you know a way to do everything PC does without any money what so ever. I am working a full time job with Camelot, don't have much money.
Do you hear me crying?

These money are barely enough to keep us a-float. Our server costs are increasing all the time. I just got a message that we were over our bandwidth capacity again for the 3rd time this year (each jump adds a substantial cost). This is as an addition to the backup server I set up in Norway for us for free when we get hacked.

I think one should think before expressing slander about whom people are.

I am in the US working now, also trying to edit the conference for a proper DVD due too many requests. Most people have no problem paying ten bucks when people worked their ass off to make the event in the first place.

PS: The recordings posted so far was not filmed by "someone", it was a direct copy of our own footage. (aka. piracy). Including the one with RCH in this thread.
This video has been reported on youtube by Hoagland and then us..

Sorry, but if you really want to see one of the speakers you can spend ten bucks on it or not.

I really hope we can get things enough a-float to give out the conference for free, we are trying.. However, saying we are about the $$ is simply offensive since we give out 99% of all material for free and spend from our own personal budgets to do it.

I learned to think before I speak :)

Have a good one

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I agree, simply because of the state of the economy. I'm sure Kerry needs money, just like everyone else does, but so many people nowadays are having trouble keeping roofs over their heads and buying food, it is really denying information to many people who would like to have it and who could benefit from it, but who certainly cannot afford to pay for it. I certainly can't. I have a daughter still at home, and I can't buy her good shoes and good food; how can I spend money on conferences? So on that basis I have been completely put off by PC.

I spent many hours transcribing those interviews for PC before the split. I used to get paid good money for that. I can't help but wonder if it even went through Kerry's head that she should offer some of this free at least to people who did volunteer work for her. But that would still leave out people who simply cannot afford it.

Even Ben Fulford gives his info away to folks who say they can't afford to pay.

Why not write us and simply ask? :)

In your position that usually works out pretty well!

[jade]

"What do you do for a living?"

I promote events .. run a record label and a music magazine. And i don't take an income from it.. I do it for free, for love, for promoting creativity. Everything we earn goes back in to release more music.. and to promote new music and arts. Why?

[Tommy]

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This is uploaded for free on youtube. Sorry about the audio issues, our team literally plugged in the last cable 1 min before this recording starts.. lol

[firstlook]

"What do you do for a living?"

I promote events .. run a record label and a music magazine. And i don't take an income from it.. I do it for free, for love, for promoting creativity. Everything we earn goes back in to release more music.. and to promote new music and arts. Why?

All for free? I would love to hear your business insights.

Why? Because its a silly thing to judge a person on whether they are genuine. Silly especially if you simplify statements without realizing how much "free" stuff is offered anyhow. And like another poster has said, I'm sure they would love to hear how things can be done with less cost.

By the way, how do you support yourself?

Peace :)

EDIT: I Just noticed you said free but then said everything you earn goes back.........huh?:confused:

[jade]

"What do you do for a living?"

I promote events .. run a record label and a music magazine. And i don't take an income from it.. I do it for free, for love, for promoting creativity. Everything we earn goes back in to release more music.. and to promote new music and arts. Why?

All for free? I would love to hear your business insights.

Why? Because its a silly thing to judge a person on whether they are genuine. Silly especially if you simplify statements without realizing how much "free" stuff is offered anyhow. And like another poster has said, I'm sure they would love to hear how things can be done with less cost.

By the way, how do you support yourself?

Peace :)

EDIT: I Just noticed you said free but then said everything your earn goes back.........huh?:confused:

I don't take an income from either business and the reason is it's my passion, it makes me feel like I'm making a positive contribution (it's not saving the world I know but it is making the one immediately around me a bit more pleasant!) I see creative expression as a pure and spiritual endeavor and so is in line with my belief system at least. The businesses I run pull people together, I don't work on it alone so am not taking all the credit here but we have a big strong loving family of like-minded people. And I'm proud of that.

Money doesn't remotely motivate what I do .. so in that respect no I'm not a good business person!

In reply to: "I Just noticed you said free but then said everything your earn goes back.........huh?:confused"

I work for free the businesses earn money, and the more money they earn the more interesting and creative things we can do - new albums.. films, interviews, sessions.. free gigs.

I also work part time in social/political research to pay the bills .. again not motivated by money. It's what I'm interested in, just happens to pay

What about you?

[firstlook]

"What do you do for a living?"

I promote events .. run a record label and a music magazine. And i don't take an income from it.. I do it for free, for love, for promoting creativity. Everything we earn goes back in to release more music.. and to promote new music and arts. Why?

All for free? I would love to hear your business insights.

Why? Because its a silly thing to judge a person on whether they are genuine. Silly especially if you simplify statements without realizing how much "free" stuff is offered anyhow. And like another poster has said, I'm sure they would love to hear how things can be done with less cost.

By the way, how do you support yourself?

Peace :)

EDIT: I Just noticed you said free but then said everything your earn goes back.........huh?:confused:

I don't take an income from either business and the reason is it's my passion, it makes me feel like I'm making a positive contribution (it's not saving the world I know but it is making the one immediately around me a bit more pleasant!) I see creative expression as a pure and spiritual endeavor and so is in line with my belief system at least. The businesses I run pull people together, I don't work on it alone so am not taking all the credit here but we have a big strong loving family of like-minded people. And I'm proud of that.

Money doesn't remotely motivate what I do .. so in that respect no I'm not a good business person!

In reply to: "I Just noticed you said free but then said everything your earn goes back.........huh?:confused"

I work for free the businesses earn money, and the more money they earn the more interesting and creative things we can do - new albums.. films, interviews, sessions.. free gigs.

I also work part time in social/political research to pay the bills .. again not motivated by money. It's what I'm interested in, just happens to pay

What about you?

This is good. You sound like a dedicated person to your interests. Now I could attack your "integrity" as you put it by saying that your "business money" motives do not reflect what I consider "genuine". You see what I did there. Read your first post. You basically called Kerry and crew a bunch weekend warriors. Really? Those are strong words to say to someone. I mean not to call you out, but to just allow that kind of off hand insult at what in many peoples opinion is a very dedicated women to the subject matter, its just I really don't understand your justification in saying they are not genuine.

As for me, well LOL, no one hear has ever asked me what I do for work. I'll put it this way, I grow and distribute. :becky: If your in the music industry, I imagine you know what I'm talking about.

Peace :)

[firstlook]

I don't take an income from either business and the reason is it's my passion.

You really think its BECAUSE you don't make money from it that its the reason your passionate about it? I imagine money or no money, passion is passion.

I think people get offended when charged for things that seem like a group thing. It makes them feel as if they aren't a part of that group unconditionally. I understand this, but really if you have to demand total acceptance without anything offered then the unconditional thing works both ways and you create harsh feelings.

Just go with it, Kerry loves all her listeners and whether they "contribute" or not. Its her passion.

:)

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Please have a look at my thread on ethics and money here

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19126-The-Ethics-of-Charging-Money-for-Information-Guidance-or-Teachings

[Tommy]

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We could pretty much say the same thing! Obviously it is not about the money, if it were I don't think Kerry and then myself quit our jobs (that paid well enough) to do Camelot.
Almost 6 years now and no-one is rich yet ;) Well, rich in regards to feeling good about one self for "actually doing it", and rich from all the wonderful people we get in contact with (WB's or otherwise)

This is what we do, all the money we get in pretty much goes into expanding Camelot, and also if say one "pays off" a little bit financially (without "just breaking even" which is the case now).

So spending 10 bucks will help:

- More interviews
- More future events\conferences
- More free online events
- Extend the life of our massive archive that Bill and Kerry accumulated over the years (bandwidth = costs = money)


Just wanted to add this :)

[jade]

"What do you do for a living?"

I promote events .. run a record label and a music magazine. And i don't take an income from it.. I do it for free, for love, for promoting creativity. Everything we earn goes back in to release more music.. and to promote new music and arts. Why?

All for free? I would love to hear your business insights.

Why? Because its a silly thing to judge a person on whether they are genuine. Silly especially if you simplify statements without realizing how much "free" stuff is offered anyhow. And like another poster has said, I'm sure they would love to hear how things can be done with less cost.

By the way, how do you support yourself?

Peace :)

EDIT: I Just noticed you said free but then said everything your earn goes back.........huh?:confused:

I don't take an income from either business and the reason is it's my passion, it makes me feel like I'm making a positive contribution (it's not saving the world I know but it is making the one immediately around me a bit more pleasant!) I see creative expression as a pure and spiritual endeavor and so is in line with my belief system at least. The businesses I run pull people together, I don't work on it alone so am not taking all the credit here but we have a big strong loving family of like-minded people. And I'm proud of that.

Money doesn't remotely motivate what I do .. so in that respect no I'm not a good business person!

In reply to: "I Just noticed you said free but then said everything your earn goes back.........huh?:confused"

I work for free the businesses earn money, and the more money they earn the more interesting and creative things we can do - new albums.. films, interviews, sessions.. free gigs.

I also work part time in social/political research to pay the bills .. again not motivated by money. It's what I'm interested in, just happens to pay

What about you?

This is good. You sound like a dedicated person to your interests. Now I could attack your "integrity" as you put it by saying that your "business money" motives do not reflect what I consider "genuine". You see what I did there. Read your first post. You basically called Kerry and crew a bunch weekend warriors. Really? Those are strong words to say to someone. I mean not to call you out, but to just allow that kind of off hand insult at what in many peoples opinion is a very dedicated women to the subject matter, its just I really don't understand your justification in saying they are not genuine.

As for me, well LOL, no one hear has ever asked me what I do for work. I'll put it this way, I grow and distribute. :becky: If your in the music industry, I imagine you know what I'm talking about.

Peace :)

I am definitely not calling anyone involved in the conference 'weekend warriors' .. I merely said I 'question' the integrity.. and I only say that because I think it would be good to release the videos now that the conference is finished. It's a funny old time.. people are waking up and they're confused as to what exactly is the truth. That's how i feel. I don't know what to believe so I spend my nights trawling this forum, reading blogs, watching interviews trying to get some understanding and find some peace.. seeing that there are likeminded people on here (as there aren't really in my circle) makes me feel a little less isolated in the way i see the world.

Please don't misunderstand me. I applaud the organisers of that event - Kerry et al for their hard work in this field. I just think that for all of those people who feel like me, and couldn't attend or don't have the funds, being able to hear the speakers at A&A on issues pertinent to these very peculiar times would be positive.

Peace

[Tommy]

Please have a look at my thread on ethics and money here

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19126-The-Ethics-of-Charging-Money-for-Information-Guidance-or-Teachings

Thanks for this post :) I wholeheartedly agree!

[jade]

Please have a look at my thread on ethics and money here

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19126-The-Ethics-of-Charging-Money-for-Information-Guidance-or-Teachings

Thanks for this post :) I wholeheartedly agree!

Couldn't agree with the contents of that post more.. Just because I don't want to take money from my creative endeavors. I'm not saying that people shouldn't get paid for whatever they do. Of course not! It's a personal choice for me not to take it from music (I do get paid for my other work)..

I was literally just talking about the videos being released after the fact.. charge for the conference, charge for the live streaming I absolutely think that's all fair enough. I run regular events I know how much they cost and how much effort and hard work goes in. Better than most!

[firstlook]

Please have a look at my thread on ethics and money here

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19126-The-Ethics-of-Charging-Money-for-Information-Guidance-or-Teachings

Thanks for this post :) I wholeheartedly agree!

Couldn't agree with the contents of that post more.. Just because I don't want to take money from my creative endeavors. I'm not saying that people shouldn't get paid for whatever they do. Of course not! It's a personal choice for me not to take it from music (I do get paid for my other work)..

I was literally just talking about the videos being released after the fact.. charge for the conference, charge for the live streaming I absolutely think that's all fair enough. I run regular events I know how much they cost and how much effort and hard work goes in. Better than most!

Thats cool. Its just saying "I question your integrity" isn't a good way to encourage people to give you something. :p :)

[Tommy]

No worries. The problem is that we pay for the video hosting too, pr. viewer min :(

Added: We are still trying to cover all our costs from the event.. fyi

[etm567]

Those of Ra, in the Law of One, speak about finding a pharoah who was receptive to the idea of unity. To me, this was certainly Akhenaton. I can't remember what Those of Ra said went wrong, but they did say it did go wrong, and that was one way they incurred some responsibility for our position today, and thus their continuing interest in our development and progress, and for helping us in any way they could. BUt they learned that they had better not come here and participate.

That is if I remember it correctly. It's been quite a while since I read it.

BUt yes, I agree, Akhenaton was one of the good guys.

[Spellbound]

Hello all,

Apologies if this thread ruffled a few feathers (was not my intention). I was simply hoping that the videos would be made available for free afterwards (same as previous conferences were). I understand that people need to make a living and that these events cost money. I also would have no problem buying a ticket (would have more than full price had I lived in Los Angeles)...however living in a foreign country prevented me from attending. I fully endorse charging for a live (in person) event. Having the chance to see it all up close and personal, meeting the speakers (I'd love to give Bob Dean a hug and shake hands with Rich Dolan and Bill Ryan...boy would I have questions for those three specifically)...well worth the price of admission (and more) if you ask me. However, charging for the videos online after-the-fact thus limiting the overall viewship (you can only see if you pay)...especially when they were readilly made available for free after previous conferencees...well, that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish. When I saw that the videos were available as PPV only on PC, I was hoping that would only be for the first week or so, but now I realize that the likelyhood of them being offered up for free (as they were in previous years) is dwindling by the day.

Seems precident was set in December of last year when they wanted to charge for the online roundtable thingy (a live event but not one that people could actually take part in personally...they were simply watching the speakers interact with each other online)...and then offered it up again after the fact (yet at a reduced rate). That trend seems to have continued on. As I recall, it was Hoagland's idea to charge for it then and when I saw that Hoagland was on the bill for A&A 2011 I suspected that the videos would not be posted for free afterwards. As I said, I understand that these things cost money (that is the number one response when this issue rears it's ugly head). They cost money last year and the year before that....yet those videos were posted online for free afterwards. I'm guessing that people were able to break even when all was said and done what with the proceeds of the event (and now with the PPV offerings).

If the videos will be posted for free...then post them. If not....don't say "we're hoping to post them for free...but these things cost money"....and then continue to charge for them. It never used to be about the money with PC and I'm hoping it's not about the money now (though I'm certainly having my doubts). If Project Camelot is now a pay-per-view operation...then I fear it has lost a bit of it's integrity.

It never used to be about the money.

Peace

Dave - Toronto

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I'm just guessing, but it is probably the case that Kerry did not break even on the conference and will release the videos once they have paid for themselves. Again, just a guess.

[firstlook]

If the videos will be posted for free...then post them. If not....don't say "we're hoping to post them for free...but these things cost money"....and then continue to charge for them.

This is an interesting statement. "IF" is exactly the issue. You don't know. What Kerry and crew are telling you is that they are trying to work out a problem. You can say things to help them decide what to do, but to make them fear that people just don't think they are as strong as before, well I would think we all know how the energy game works. You support people, even when they don't give you what you want because usually the encouragement people get helps them make better choices, which hopefully come back to you in turn. But to say "your losing integrity" just comes across as "your losing". That doesn't elevate anyone to help others. It relies on reactionary thinking. We want inspirational thinking. Thats when its got integrity and is genuine.

Peace :)

[Tommy]

Our budget got blasted and we ended up having to pay 30.000 + than what initially budgeted..

Also comparing the previous Awake and Aware with this years is not really a valid comparison (although I can see why anyone would). The previous conference had nothing near the same costs attached too it, same goes for the streaming portion.

This years conference had:

1. More people attending, that meaning higher costs on venue and for "free viewing" the stream after the event (for those whom attended)

2. We wen't WAY over budget on EVERYTHING - It had to be done in order to do the conference at all, the point of no return, etc

3. Paying organizer(s). Massive logistics job

4. Paying for our server costs and living costs after the event - It should be known that neither Kerry or myself have time for an additional job

5. Limiting viewership - I suppose yes, but frankly if it is "life or death" information it tends to get out somehow ;)

6. Live streaming to a mass of people was free back in the day of the first conference, this has changed and most usable providers charge money for more than 50 people watching at the same time (live or recording). We got the cheapest solution available due to a kind offer of support from Indigo Platforms TV.

7. Online teleconferences: See above ^^ More costly than you think! See rates at different providers for the needed amount of people (for 500-1000 ppl. watching live), you will be shocked..

So in a sense it is about the money, because without them we will have to continue putting our bills on a credit card to make everything free.. And then after a spent inheritance (Kerry's) a few years ago and a couple of months with credit card bills, no more Camelot, at all..

A site like Camelot can not run on air, it is simple logic :)

So as an end note: If you REALLY know a way we can do these things for free PLEASE for gods sake let us know!! :)

Thanks for the feedback, I enjoy listening to everyone's perspectives. They are all equally valuable in some way or form

[toothpick]

Very grateful to Bill and Kerry for startng up pc when they did, thier timing was immpecable.
They have helped a lot of people on thier journey, for no fee.
They sure did help me out of a lost and alone kind of situation.
I,m sure the number of people they helped to become awake and aware is incredible, thanks.

[pyriel]

I dont see a problem with costs of tickets. The live streaming is nice but not necessary and that money can be put towards something else. Dont need to be in some fancy building/room for this either, Can do these conferences outside, there's alot of money saved. Now I understand that those lame fancy buildings have great sound systems and you dont have to worry about the wind or anything. Can also get in touch with nature at the same time.

I dont agree with limiting the videos tho to pay per view.. I bet the PTB are happy now with this info. being limited now. Less people getting this info now and slowed the awakening of any new people. I'm sure they're happy that PC has finally fallen in line. (to a fairly good extent now anyways)

Paying for tickets, no problem, paying for live stream.. no problem, paying for pay per view after it's all done... no thx.. Glad bill hasnt charged for anything HE has done yet. I'm sure it's coming tho. Hopefully not tho.

[PurpleLama]

I am wondering which part of *project camelot has to pay out of pocket to produce those videos, the conference, etc. and is still trying to meet those expenses* is difficult to understand. I'd much rather see those complaining about ppv to, instead, perhaps begin making donations to PC so that the videos could be listed for free. Then everybody can feel good about it. The money to do these things *has* to come from somewhere, and it's sad to see those who have invested so much time, energy, money, expertise, etc. to be criticised in such a way. Kerry et al get their return more from feeling positive about doing good for the rest of us, rather than seeing a positive bank balance.

I see no profit whatsoever in fault finding with Bill, Kerry, or any of the people involved in the collective endeavors of Project Avalon or Project Camelot. These people sacrifice a lot to bring us these services, and all we can do is complain that the most recent event is pay per view? Really?

I apologize for speaking so strongly to this topic. Forgive me, I'm sorry, I love you, thank you.

[Andrew]

Just don't bother with live-stream conferences... charge people who attend obviously but don't bother with live stream and just do the old style and record-upload after... less hassle and much cheaper, why complicate things and put up the cost when its not necessary.

[Lord Sidious]

Just don't bother with live-stream conferences... charge people who attend obviously but don't bother with live stream and just do the old style and record-upload after... less hassle and much cheaper, why complicate things and put up the cost when its not necessary.

Perhaps that was an experiment to see how it would go?

[Andrew]

Just don't bother with live-stream conferences... charge people who attend obviously but don't bother with live stream and just do the old style and record-upload after... less hassle and much cheaper, why complicate things and put up the cost when its not necessary.

Perhaps that was an experiment to see how it would go?

Lesson learned then.

[etm567]

There are many people these days who have time for jobs, but no work, and thus, no money. Check out the tent cities sprouting up across the country.

[etm567]

What do you not understand about people being out of work and, thus, without money?

Maybe they could keep their expenses down by not going so mainstream, and then manage to make the info available to more people. I'm not saying they should or they could, but maybe they could. Why did they go so far over budget? I have no idea, but it is certainly unfortunate that it cannot be made available when so many people ABSOLUTELY CANNOT PAY. Food is an issue for people these days. Heat is a huge issue. Winter is cold where I live, and my heating costs are astronomical. I am under water on my mortgage, and so cannot sell my house and move someplace cheaper. It is like being trapped. No, it IS being trapped, without enough money, without access to information, and at times without heat and food.

And I am certainly not alone, or even unusual these days.

Remember that Occupy Wall Street business? People are hurting financially. Really hurting, in a way they have not since the Great Depression. I'm very happy for you if you've got the cash to spend on conferences, but a vast number of people, people who might indeed benefit from the information, do not have it and cannot get it.

[CdnSirian]

Hi ETM567. And others above. Yes there is a lot of frustration about this. I have produced large events myself and there are always unforeseen glitches and expenses no matter how you prepare. I too could not afford to go or pay for livestream. Yet, if you hang in and look around on line you'll find that the presenters have or will put all the same info up on their own sites. No piracy needed.

And just to keep a perspective here, when Bill holds a conference in Vilcabamba that is "free" it's not free if you can't afford the time off work or the fare. I don't resent that. It is indeed wonderful to participate in person for these things, but the fruits of it are eventually shared. It is not immediate, but we all benefit.

Thanks all above.:)

[onawah]

. Yet, if you hang in and look around on line you'll find that the presenters have or will put all the same info up on their own sites. No piracy needed.
Thanks for that suggestion! I did not realize that the presenters were allowed to do that.
If someone has time to do it, it would be great to have links to all those sites here on this thread.
Bob Dean doesn't have a website, though, and I don't think his wife posts his talks on her site.
Is there a way we can still access his talk?

[jade]

. Yet, if you hang in and look around on line you'll find that the presenters have or will put all the same info up on their own sites. No piracy needed.
Thanks for that suggestion! I did not realize that the presenters were allowed to do that.
If someone has time to do it, it would be great to have links to all those sites here on this thread.
Bob Dean doesn't have a website, though, and I don't think his wife posts his talks on her site.
Is there a way we can still access his talk?

Didn't someone mention earlier that the Hoagland video was being removed from Youtube for infringement of copyright though?
Sorry, can't remember which thread i read it on

[Spellbound]

. Yet, if you hang in and look around on line you'll find that the presenters have or will put all the same info up on their own sites. No piracy needed.
Thanks for that suggestion! I did not realize that the presenters were allowed to do that.
If someone has time to do it, it would be great to have links to all those sites here on this thread.
Bob Dean doesn't have a website, though, and I don't think his wife posts his talks on her site.
Is there a way we can still access his talk?

Didn't someone mention earlier that the Hoagland video was being removed from Youtube for infringement of copyright though?
Sorry, can't remember which thread i read it on

I highly doubt Hoagland will release his presentation for free anywhere. It was his idea to charge for the online thing last December with Bill and Kerry (as I recall, there was some debate on whether or not to charge for it...which they ultimately did, and it was Hoagland's idea). Also, of all the presenters at the Secret Space Program in Amsterdam earlier this year (Rich Dolan, Peter Levendra, etc), he would not allow his presentation to be put online for free afterwards. If the A&A videos are deleted here at Avalon for copyright infringement and they are taken down at YouTube...then I doubt they will be available (legally) on other sites....which is a shame. While I agree that many of the people involved (Kerry, etc) are not paid well and are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts...I have a hard time believing that Richard Hoagland is a poor man.

Peace

Dave -Toronto

[onawah]

Richard Hoagland's presentation is still embedded in this thread on the first page, and still on youtube.
It was Nassim Haramein's presentation which was available for a short time on youtube and which I posted on PA on another thread, but was subsequently removed from both youtube and the forum due to copyright issues.
I don't know if that was made by someone at the Conference who made their own video, or what.
Are people also not allowed to post their own videos of the Conference online?
Or were they even allowed to videotape using their own cameras or phones at the Conference?

[Lazlo]

What do you not understand about people being out of work and, thus, without money?

Maybe they could keep their expenses down by not going so mainstream, and then manage to make the info available to more people. I'm not saying they should or they could, but maybe they could. Why did they go so far over budget? I have no idea, but it is certainly unfortunate that it cannot be made available when so many people ABSOLUTELY CANNOT PAY. Food is an issue for people these days. Heat is a huge issue. Winter is cold where I live, and my heating costs are astronomical. I am under water on my mortgage, and so cannot sell my house and move someplace cheaper. It is like being trapped. No, it IS being trapped, without enough money, without access to information, and at times without heat and food.

And I am certainly not alone, or even unusual these days.

Remember that Occupy Wall Street business? People are hurting financially. Really hurting, in a way they have not since the Great Depression. I'm very happy for you if you've got the cash to spend on conferences, but a vast number of people, people who might indeed benefit from the information, do not have it and cannot get it.

Even for those who can easily afford it, what about the justification? I clicked on a link to try and figure out of it was $10 per video or $10 dollars for the entire presentation.

At the end of the day, does it even matter?

Considering myself to be "awake and aware", I have to ask:

Is the $10 better spent listening to these videos while tuning out my family.

Should I spend $10 instead supporting a charity I hold in high esteem? A group like Heifer? (Look them up, please)

A $10 donation to the local food bank?

$10 to my kid's college fund?

$10 to the homeless shelter?

$10 to the animal shelter?

$10 in food to my prepper pantry?

$10 to ?????????

Or $10 listening to someone tell me that there are really bad things going on in the world and I should do more to make it a better place?

:confused:

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[lslimerick]

If this thread is how far we have come on the evolutionary ladder, then I feel we have no chance.....seriously people, stop judging, stop sharing your opinions on other peoples business and financial responsibilities and be grateful for what is shared and keep with the tone of how this thread was started, this type of energy is enough to get people to leave this altogether. We are in the most important time in the history of this planet and this is the level of conversation.....this is what concerns us, takes our energy, you can do better than this, I know you can....

[the trojan]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33432-Great-Video-About-the-Coming-Changes-Ayako-Sekino

This is how to do it.
No more greatest hits and anecdotes ,well presented and simple and not a coin charged.
There is no need to have conferences anymore.are we not equals,there is no longer a need for celebrity.
I reckon that the most money went on paying peoples fees and expenses for appearing.

I would like to add that I would have been happier if the above video was only fifteen minutes long!
DOWN WITH THE OLD GUARD LEAVE NO ROOM FOR THE NEW GUARD,THE KING IS DEAD...GOOD!

[Phil_7050]

Hello everyone, I understand how many of you are disappointed with Project Camelot's pay-per-view method of releasing their recent material online (I've appreciated and followed PC/PA because of the free info) but like many pirates out there, I've found a way to download it for FREE:

http://www.axxodl.com/tutorials/19029-awake-aware-2011-project-camelot-conference.html

It might take a while to get the whole thing but at least you don't have to pay a single penny. It's still frustrating they released such an interesting conference for a price all of a sudden.

Peace