David Icke 2012

[Mandala]

There has recently been some discussion about David and whether or not we trust him. I do, and I like him for his perseverance and dedication. I found this interview to show not only his passion for what he does, but his humility.

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[Omni]

I've always thought David was sincere.

[Hip Hipnotist]

Mr. Icke has earned, deserves, is entitled to a hell-of-a-lot more than he presents here. Look what we've gotten from this bloke!

Then there's the likes of Obama ( Substitute Obama for whatever puppet you fancy ) who lives in a 'flat' just slightly larger than Mr. Icke's and look what we've gotten from that dude!

At least you/we have the option to 'donate' to Mr. Icke.

Refuse to pay your taxes ( which funds the dude's pad ) and see where you end up!

[Shamz]

I have always liked him and this substantiated my belief in him - Sincere fellow

[David Trd1]

He`s a joy to listen to,a pleasure to read and its and honor to be alive when he himself is....

Trust me,this man will go down in history for all the right reasons.

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Mandela I have posted this vid several times and started a thread somewhere but with the October wembly event coming up and there will
bound to be press and alternate speculation into him doing it for the 'MONEY' ...(RUBBISH) If he wanted that he would have stayed in the mainstream!
Its worth highlighting his one bedroom " Mansion" flat !!.LOL ...steve

[The Arthen]

He's got the "ya talkin to me??" look ;) :tea:

[GaelVictor]

He's living in minimal quarters because he is saving up to buy the Isle of Wight :bathbaby:

And David deserves an island of his own for what he is doing, and much more, but what he needs most is our full support, well, he's got mine.

[Fred Ryan]

I don't quite understand why David Ick is accused of being in it for the money. How much money he does or doesn’t earn is completely irrelevant. He gave up a successful career with the BBC to pursue what he believes to be the truth with little to no hope of ever being able to make a dime at it. Frankly, if he were now making a fortune I’d be happy for him and wish him well spending it.

[Earth Angel]

Just clicked on the site to see the cost of watching this event online..........It starts at 10 am and goes until 9:30 pm, and you can watch it over and over again for a full month after......the cost $23.81....so for those who think he is in it for the money that is the cheapest online event I have seen, and given the amount of time he is putting into this in the first place, almost 12 hours and the cost for a ticket to be there is 39-62 pounds! I think that is incredibly cheap......yes we all would like the info for free but David is not a breatharian as far as I know.

[selinam]

I would have liked to have been able to attend in person, but I've signed up for my access via the online streaming event. Can't wait!

[gooty64]

Thanks Earth Angel,
It had been on my mind to post this info too. Glad to see that the price is quite reasonable, only $23.81.
I will be watching. I had thought about seeing Icke last year in cleveland, Ohio. So this is great opportunity!


Just clicked on the site to see the cost of watching this event online..........It starts at 10 am and goes until 9:30 pm, and you can watch it over and over again for a full month after......the cost $23.81....so for those who think he is in it for the money that is the cheapest online event I have seen, and given the amount of time he is putting into this in the first place, almost 12 hours and the cost for a ticket to be there is 39-62 pounds! I think that is incredibly cheap......yes we all would like the info for free but David is not a breatharian as far as I know.

[Kimberley]

The link is not working for me at the moment however I am sure it will before the 27th! I knew about this and thank you for posting to remind me!!!

Much love!!

[Kimberley]

I think this is a better link....

http://www.davidicke.com/wembley/

[Tane Mahuta]

Thankyou, can't wait

TM

[charlesfrith]

David talks about this in his latest radio interview (http://charlesfrith.blogspot.com/2012/10/david-icke-has-been-talking-about-jimmy.html). It's a great opportunity to give David the credibility he deserves with an outside audience who have only the corporate media to form an opinion.

[Earth Angel]

yes as he says himself, its interesting when he comes right out and calls Father Bush a baby killer, or Heath , nobody sues him, they just want it to be ignored......has to be truth in there or they would have blasted him with every legal power available to them.....so many dismiss him as a 'nutter' but I believe he really is telling some crazy truths !

[Cidersomerset]

David talks about this in his latest radio interview. It's a great opportunity to give David the credibility he deserves with an outside audience who have only the corporate media to form an opinion.

Totally agree, David and other researchers need reconition and encouragement , I have posted several on the Jimmy Saville how he fixed it thread ...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50809-How-Jimmy-was-able-to-Fix-it----

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As David says these peadophile rings are well protected from authority, because they are the
establishment.....It makes sence if the Royals and top placed beaurocrats are from the
Babylonian blood lines and believe all these ancient satanic rituals ...

Now what David has been saying about these people in power may not be so far fetched
as it sounded 10 years ago.Bit by bit the veil is opening !!

All journalists should go to Davids Wembley Arena presentation to learn how to
connect dots to the bigger picture, and be proper media truth tellers , not mainstream
pawns to the corporate press owned by or blackmailed/pressured by these 'Elites'..
The same happens in the US and other countries....Skull & Bones, Bohemian grove
and other societies !!

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

This Jimmy Savile business has caused somewhat of a national shock here in the UK. Horror, corruption and abuse scarcely to be believed of a man so many grew up to admire, even love. In a very real sense this story is a paradigm breaker for many. One has to wonder if this could be the beginning of further shattering revelations down the line...

[Cidersomerset]

This Jimmy Savile business has caused somewhat of a national shock here in the UK. Horror, corruption and abuse scarcely to be believed of a man so many grew up to admire, even love. In a very real sense this story is a paradigm breaker for many. One has to wonder if this could be the beginning of further shattering revelations down the line...

I certainly hope so , but these are very powerfull people and it will take something like the Berlin Wall falling to get the dominos rolling ......How do you say the Royal family are into this to the mainstream public ??

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

And what about Ted Heath for gawds sake! Saw some disturbing (albeit) hearsay accounts surrounding him.

[Snoweagle]

Indeed David Icke has been warning the world of paedophilia and so have thousands of others who are also ignored by mainstream media.
Paedophilia is key to personal entrapment.
Paedophilia has been promoted through Freemasonry via Khazarian Talmudic teachings hence the prominence of same-sex marriages, lack of serious inquiry to child abuse and of course lack of MSM broadcasting.

Regardless of the reaction surrounding Saville, the practice continues today with Governments world wide being lobbied to accept same-sex relationships as "normal". Disgraceful proposals for gay men to raise children, which I DO NOT SUBSCRIBE to. This cultural change being globally promoted supports the programme of Agenda 21 and the depopulation "weirdos". Young people are being encouraged to experiment with sex from a pre pubescent age and it is destroying the innocence of childhood and will create relationships fraught with disassociation and care. The whole family unit is being torn apart "for the greater good" when in fact it decimates the individual seperated from kindred spirits.

Sadly, paedophiles swarm like seagulls over a shoals of fish preying on those who stray or seperated from the safety of the group.

WE need to collectively stand against this. To do so we must stand against the United Nations and its Khazarian Zionist backers.

Jimmy Saville is dead. Dead men don't talk. We need to tackile the BASTARDS who are still alive and performing their ritual abuse TODAY?

Check out the UK Column and Brian Garrish RN Commander retired who is fighting as best he can to raise the awareness here in the UK.

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted by Snoeeagle: "Disgraceful proposals for gay men to raise children, which I DO NOT SUBSCRIBE to. "

I am ashamed to see a subject as important as pedophilia and violence talked about in the same breath as love between two people (aka from the same sex) , especially when we know that every human is a 'soul in a costume' in the first place. I resonate with quite a lot of what you wrote Snoweagle, and I believe, of course, that you are entitled to your oppinion, but the sensetivities of both issues are completely and uterlly different, one involves causing great suffering to another without their consent and the other is a healthy connection between two people who would like to raise a family. I must say that you lost me there.

[Limor Wolf]

For those outside of the UK who might not know who Jimmy Savile was, Here are some details from Wikipedia:


"Sir James Wilson Vincent Savile, OBE, KCSG (31 October 1926 – 29 October 2011) was an English disc jockey, television presenter and media personality, best known for his BBC television show Jim'll Fix It, and for being the first and last presenter of the long-running BBC music chart show Top of the Pops. Police have opened an investigation into allegations of sexual assault made after his death.

After working as a conscripted coal miner during the Second World War, Savile began a career playing records in, and later managing, dance halls. He started his media career as a disc jockey on Radio Luxembourg in 1958, and on Tyne Tees Television in 1960, developing a reputation for his flamboyant character and eccentricities. He later worked primarily for the BBC, where he presented the first edition of Top of the Pops in 1964 and worked on BBC Radio 1 from 1968. Between 1975 and 1994 he presented Jim'll Fix It, a popular television programme in which he arranged for the wishes of viewers, mainly children, to come true. During his lifetime, he was noted for his fundraising and support of various charities and hospitals, in particular Stoke Mandeville Hospital near Aylesbury in Buckinghamshire, Leeds General Infirmary and the Broadmoor Hospital in Berkshire. He was widely described as a philanthropist and was honoured for his efforts.[1][2] He was awarded the OBE in 1971 and was knighted in 1990.

After his death, claims surfaced that he had sexually abused young teenage girls at the height of his fame in the 1960s and 1970s. Police have since described him as a "predatory sex offender",[3] and there have been public calls for him to be stripped of the honours that he had received during his lifetime. In October 2012, the Metropolitan Police began an assessment of the allegations, and set up a joint inquiry with the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (NSPCC) into sexual assaults reported to have been carried out by Savile over four decades. Investigations also began into past practices at some of the places where he had worked, including the BBC and hospitals."


David Icke is not holding anything inside and 'spill the beans' as he always does in his interviews. I have recently read Mind Control's victim, Bryce Tylar's book, and boy oh boy, if people only knew what life some Holywood names like Bob Hope and Frank Sinatra were leading and what others like Bing Crosby, Dean Martin etc. were involved with. They were basically commiting severe crimes against humans. However,the names are not what is important, There is an unprecedented conspiracy which like everything else leads to the same powers who want to rule planet earth and its inhabitants. The circuit of this occult, mind control and phedopile abuse needs to be stopped by getting this dirty laundry OUT, the more that will know about it, the better.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Disgraceful proposals for gay men to raise children, which I DO NOT SUBSCRIBE to. .

You are of course entitled to your (small minded) opinions but I am also entitled to be incredibly offended by such remarks.
I must say I feel sorry for people like you with such narrow minded views here in 2012 and am surprised to see such homophopbia here on Avalan. Shocking.
Can you explain to me in depth your reasoning behind this view or is it an illogical fear you have? Thanks in advance.
My friends who are a gay couple who are raising a child will follow this thread with interest.

[KiwiElf]

Likewise EWO - perhaps Snoweagle, you should keep your bigoted (and ignorant) opinions to yourself

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

To be honest, I really want Snoweagle to justify his ignorant post in detail. He clearly feels strongly that there is something wrong with 2 men bringing up a child so should be allowed to explain himself.
My betting is he wont be able to give valid arguments.

[Arrowwind]

Khazarian Talmudic teachings hence the prominence of same-sex marriages, lack of serious inquiry to child abuse and of course lack of MSM broadcasting.



I would like to see direct references to the existence of this. Name of exact book and pages particularly passages that expound on promoting same sex or phedophilia. Not interpretations of the writings or some scholarly diatribe but the exact writings translated into English I am unfamiliar with a Khazarian Talmud. So you are saying that the Talmud brought to the Khazarian people by Rabbi scholars was altered to meet a Khazarian agenda? So there are two Talmuds? perhaps one of Eastern Europe and one of the Middle East?

[Arrowwind]

. The circuit of this occult, mind control and phedopile abuse needs to be stopped by getting this dirty laundry OUT, the more that will know about it, the better.

If people want to get the dirty laundry out on phedophilia all anyone has to do is be willing to look at and talk about their own family histories. Until that day the coverup will reamain.

[Arrowwind]

. The circuit of this occult, mind control and phedopile abuse needs to be stopped by getting this dirty laundry OUT, the more that will know about it, the better.

If people want to get the dirty laundry out on phedophilia all anyone has to do is be willing to look at and talk about their own family histories. Until that day the coverup will reamain.

Limor, I am expanding on this as per your request via PM.
Phedophilia has been going on in families forever. Child sexual abuse is phedophilia. If people brought this out into the open more more people would be saved from it. Its as simple as that. But children are afraid to speak because they are terrified on multiple levels through intimadation and when they do they are shut up. Parents live in denial. Family members turn a blind eye and most likely all these people that do this are the very same people that support phedophelia on the internet and who assist to market children in various ways. They are not mysterious people. They are your neighobrs, your family, your church associates, your business associates, teachers, coaches, boy scout and girl scout leaders, politicians as well as inflicted by one child onto another.

[New Dawn]

You say David has been talking about Jimmy for years? I've listened to a lot of Icke material over the last 4 years, and I have to say I don't think he's mentioned him once before all this came out. If I'm wrong please show me a link. If I'm right, please think more carefully before you type your title, as this one I think it incorrect. I just find it funny if people like David (who I like btw) start saying they've known for years - well then where??

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Disgraceful proposals for gay men to raise children, which I DO NOT SUBSCRIBE to. .

You are of course entitled to your (small minded) opinions but I am also entitled to be incredibly offended by such remarks.
I must say I feel sorry for people like you with such narrow minded views here in 2012 and am surprised to see such homophopbia here on Avalan. Shocking.
Can you explain to me in depth your reasoning behind this view or is it an illogical fear you have? Thanks in advance.
My friends who are a gay couple who are raising a child will follow this thread with interest.

Nothing to say snoweagle?

[DevilPigeon]

You say David has been talking about Jimmy for years? I've listened to a lot of Icke material over the last 4 years, and I have to say I don't think he's mentioned him once before all this came out. If I'm wrong please show me a link. If I'm right, please think more carefully before you type your title, as this one I think it incorrect. I just find it funny if people like David (who I like btw) start saying they've known for years - well then where??

I don't have a link, but I guarantee David has mentioned Jimmy Savile quite some time ago before all of this came out, because I distinctly remember thinking "Wow....!"

I'll see if I can find one, but I'm guessing it would have been around 6-12 months ago

UPDATE:

Link found, from November 2011

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/55533-death-of-a-showman-jimmy-saville-1926-2011

[New Dawn]

many thanks Devil P :)

[conk]

My blood boils when someone links child abuse with homosexuality. NOT THE SAME! Not related. Two different planets. Gay people are by far extremely compassionate and caring. They have a unique sensitivity brought about by their own suffering at the hands of ignorance and hatred.

[Sidney]

Interesting synchronicity of timing with the Jerry Sandusky case in which he was just sentenced to 30 - 60 yrs.

If you don't know who he is.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/06/jerry-sandusky-penn-state-child-sex-scandal-curley-schultz-cover-up_n_1078493.html

[ExomatrixTV]

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[KiwiElf]

As some consider this case "the tip of the iceburg", I recommend the following video:

Conspiracy of Silence (Banned History Channel Documentary)

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"Conspiracy of Silence" is a powerful, disturbing documentary revealing a nationwide child abuse and pedophilia ring that leads to the highest levels of government. Featuring intrepid investigator John DeCamp, a highly decorated Vietnam war veteran and 16-year Nebraska state senator, "Conspiracy of Silence" reveals how rogue elements at all levels of government have been involved in systematic child abuse and pedophilia to feed the base desires of key politicians.

Based on DeCamp's riveting book, The Franklin Cover-up, "Conspiracy of Silence" begins with the shut-down of Nebraska's Franklin Community Federal Credit Union after a raid by federal agencies in November 1988 revealed that $40 million was missing. When the Nebraska legislature launched a probe into the affair, what initially looked like a financial swindle soon exploded into a startling tale of drugs, money laundering, and a nationwide child abuse ring. Nineteen months later, the legislative committee's chief investigator died suddenly and violently, like more than a dozen other people linked to the Franklin case.

So why have you never heard of the Franklin cover-up? Originally scheduled to air in May of 1994 on the Discovery Channel, "Conspiracy of Silence" was yanked at the last minute due to formidable pressure applied by top politicians. Some very powerful people did not want you to watch this documentary.

You may find yourself becoming angry or upset while watching "Conspiracy of Silence." Many people do. However, consider that each of us has at times in our life acted out of selfish motives when it comes to sexuality and ended up hurting others in one way or another. Let us take this information not only as a call to stop this kind of abuse at the nationwide level, but also as a call to examine our own sexual relationships and make a commitment to deep honesty and integrity in our own lives around this most sensitive issue. Thanks for caring and may we all work together to build a brighter future for ourselves and for our world.

A copy of this videotape was furnished anonymously to former Nebraska state senator and attorney John De Camp who made it available to retired FBI Agent Ted L. Gunderson. While the video quality is not top grade, this tape is a blockbuster in what is revealed by the participants involved.

NOTE; This film had to be reassembled from remaining VHS fragments after an all-out effort was made to block the films release and destroy all extant copies. Every effort has been made to restore it to the original and complete "meant to be broadcast" version.

For additional information, scroll below the video on YouTube

[161803398]

Then this can be the upsetting thread. Has anyone read this? Its horrifying. But it makes sense and answers a lot of questions. The punchline? They are Satanists...they'll eat children if you let them.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Most-Dangerous-Book-World/dp/1937584178

But its not just about kids. Its about the unbelievable mess we are in and what might be the result.

[Referee]

David talks about his upcoming Wembly Event

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[Referee]

There is no adio after 20 mins. Anyone know where to get another copy?.

[Star Tsar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIgqN8nm3ws&feature=player_detailpage&list=UUH6zgqkVbTsE52FFa-_y2zQ

:)

[Cidersomerset]

David has been giving several interviews before next weeks wembly arena event.
Each of his interviews are unique,sometimes he covers the same info , but more
often than not he diverses them from all the dots he is connecting so they are
always worth listening to in my opinion...Cheers steve...

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David Icke - Limitations of Belief & Awakening
October 18, 2012
British author David Icke has written 20 books and traveled to over 55 countries since 1990. His books reveal how a hidden hand is behind world-changing events like the attacks of 9/11 and the manufactured wars in the Middle East, as part of a mass mind manipulation technique he has dubbed problem-reaction-solution. While being controversial and often heavily attacked, David Icke has driven on with his unrelentless investigation into subject areas that others don't dare touch. David returns to give us a peak into his upcoming presentation at Wembley Arena, going deeper down the rabbit hole than anyone’s gone before. We’ll discuss the limitations of conspiracy research and the need to move beyond the aspects of the 5 senses. David explains how “reflex, action” hinders a truly open mind. Then, he speaks on humanity’s awakening and the crossroads. The hour ends on the death of a showman, Jimmy Saville, a grotesque paedophile, a necrophiliac, a close friend of Prince Philip and one of Britain’s most famous characters.



http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2012/10/RIR-121018.php

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David refers to mainstream science coming around to these ideas in private !!
I think i did a thread on this earlier in the year ?? ..LOL..


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A scientist has suggested that other planets could be populated by intelligent dinosaurs




Welcome to our new lizard overlords: Study suggests alien worlds could be full of super-intelligent dinosaurs
Life-forms based on different amino acids could be intelligent dinosaurs
Mammals only triumphed on Earth due to 'accident' of asteroid
'We would be better off not meeting them,' says American scientist



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Amino acid tryptophan: A scientists suggests that a tiny 'tweak' to such acids could mean life on other worlds evolved very differently


Nasa's Kepler telescope scans the skies for 'habitable worlds' - but an American chemist has suggested the whole project might be a terrible idea.

Ronald Breslow suggests that life-forms based on slightly different amino acids and sugars could take the form of huge, ferocious dinosaurs that have evolved to have human-like intelligence and technologies.

'We would be better off not meeting them,' says Breslow, who claims that it was a stroke of luck that an asteroid wiped out dinosaurs on earth, leaving the field clear for mammals such as humans.

On other worlds, dinosaurs could have evolved into huge, intelligent warriors armed with hi-tech weaponry - but without losing their hunger for fresh meat.


'Of course,' Breslow says, 'Showing that it could have happened this way is not the same as showing that it did. An implication from this work is that elsewhere in the universe there could be life forms based on D-amino acids and L-sugars.

'Such life forms could well be advanced versions of dinosaurs, if mammals did not have the good fortune to have the dinosaurs wiped out by an asteroidal collision, as on Earth.


'We would be better off not meeting them.'

In the report, noted scientist Ronald Breslow, Ph.D., discusses the century-old mystery of why the building blocks of terrestrial amino acids (which make up proteins), sugars, and the genetic materials DNA and RNA exist mainly in one orientation or shape.


There are two possible orientations, left and right, which mirror each other in the same way as hands.


In order for life to arise, proteins, for instance, must contain only one chiral form of amino acids, left or right.


With the exception of a few bacteria, amino acids in all life on Earth have the left-handed orientation.


Most sugars have a right-handed orientation. How did that so-called homochirality, the predominance of one chiral form, happen?


Breslow describes evidence supporting the idea that the unusual amino acids carried to a lifeless Earth by meteorites about 4 billion years ago set the pattern for normal amino acids with the L-geometry, the kind in terrestial proteins, and how those could lead to D-sugars of the kind in DNA.

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'Such life forms could well be advanced versions of dinosaurs, if mammals did not have the good fortune to have the dinosaurs wiped out by an asteroidal collision, as on Earth,' says Breslow

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David Icke on Red Ice Radio with Henrik Palmgren October 18th, 2012

'British author David Icke has written 20 books, been in 55 countries since 1990. His books reveal how a hidden hand is behind world-changing events like the attacks of 9/11 and the manufactured wars in the Middle East, as part of a mass mind manipulation technique he has dubbed problem-reaction-solution. While being controversial and often heavily attacked, David Icke has driven on with his relentlessness investigation into subject areas that others don't dare touch. David returns to give us a peak into his upcoming presentation at Wembley Arena, going deeper down the rabbit hole than anyone's gone before. We'll discuss the limitations of conspiracy research and the need to move beyond the aspects of the 5 senses. David explains how "reflex, action" hinders a truly open mind. Then, he speaks on humanity's awakening and the crossroads. The hour ends on the death of a showman, Jimmy Saville, a grotesque pedophile, a necrophiliac, a close friend of Prince Philip and one of Britain's most famous characters.'

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Those who are impatient may listen to what David Icke said on Red Ice Radio in his interview with Henrik Palmgren on October 18, 2012 at any of these posts:

RED ICE radio......David Icke - Limitations of Belief & Awakening (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51128-RED-ICE-radio......David-Icke-Limitations-of-Belief-Awakening)
Red Ice Creations (Post #34) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42986-Red-Ice-Creations&p=571474&viewfull=1#post571474)
Here and Now...What's Happening? (Post #21402 ) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=571373&viewfull=1#post571373)

[Star Tsar]

I have entered the competition for two tickets if I win I will donate other ticket to a London based Avalonian....

:cool:

[ExomatrixTV]

~Bankster Tyranny vs People's Freedom - Time to Unslave Humanity Part 15 of 25: http://goo.gl/wtCEB or http://youtu.be/03M9VrOKLNc

[indigopete]

Hi

I had to stop for a moment and reflect on this.

I last went to see Icke around 1996. Driving down to Newcastle from Glasgow one summer evening in a hired car after work, I screamed through country roads at speeds I would be embarrassed to make public today.

Newcastle town council had found out about the event only that day and immediately withdrew permission for the venue to be used (which had been one of their venues available for hire).

Luckily, the local Quaker association made their's available and the event was quickly re-housed. I remember David picking up the microphone to start the talk and then realising it wasn't plugged into anything . . .

It didn't matter - there were a total of 15 people there and all of us were within about 10 feet of him. We all had a right good laugh at that including DI :)

If someone had told me back then that someday that crowd would grow to nearly 6000 in a single venue - not least one of the most famous in the country - I guarantee there is no way I would have believed it. Even last week I didn't think he'd get the numbers (I know the quota is only half the capacity, but it doesn't detract from the achievement considering the material he's presenting).

Whatever you think of Icke, he really has done a monumental bulldozing job on human consciousness in the last few years. He has turned many minds inside out and just the fact that he's done that is as important as veracity of the various material he delivers I think.

The timing is also impeccable because of all the turmoil going on in British public life at the moment. Jimmy Savile, the BBC and West Yorkshire Police will probably never know the extent to which they helped the medicine go down !

That's the background against which I see this weekend's event taking place and my hat's definitely off to the guy for getting so far since that 'unplugged' evening 16 years ago.

Definitely a moment to savour and reflect on it's symbolic significance !

Pete

[ExomatrixTV]

http://www.youtube.com/user/DavidIckeNews/videos?flow=grid&view=0

[Muzz]

Well done to David. He has come a long way from a whole nation turning against him and talking to empty town halls for years. His tenacity is impressive. I wonder what the controllers think about this iminent gathering.

[indigopete]

I wonder what the controllers think about this iminent gathering.

They don't care because they think the numbers are still too small. 5000 people woken up is "nothing" think the controllers.

But that's not true.

The 5000 are just a thermometer. You see the mercury rising but it's not what's generating the heat. That's done by much more subtle but fundamental awakenings amongst humanity as a whole. Although subtle, the aggregate effect is overwhelming because it's source is not identifiable, it's potency is infinite and it's targets are unpredictable.

To spell it out, for every additional person attending a metaphorical David Icke event, there's a new mainstream establishment component failure like the Jimmy Savile / BBC lie machine exposure.

Just keep them coming and we'll keep the mercury rising :)!

Pete

[Fred Steeves]

I happened to catch David's latest interview from the 18th yesterday, and was happy to hear him chiding what he now calls the mainstream alternative media a bit. He was saying that if it just keeps its nose stuck in banking scams, politicians, the royals, and that sort of thing, it is going to be left behind in this rapidly unfolding story. He's 100% correct on that one. Sure it's important to keep up on all that, but there's a far far bigger picture, and THAT'S where the real action is.

Of course I add my own thanks to David for his hard work and tenacity. Job well done mate!

Cheers,
Fred

[Michelle Marie]

Yeah! David Icke! Go! Go! Go!

For overcoming public ridicule
And for personal growth and sharing
For helping to awaken Humanity
From a pure heart's caring

Let all who follow this pattern
Receive their gifts as reward
And know in unity's calling
It is the Light we're moving toward

Inclusive and warm
Like a big ole mamas heart
Giving courage and bravery
To play the Truth Warrior part

To David Icke and the whole Truth warrior Love Team!

Lots of love,
Michelle Marie

[Gardener]

Did everyone know that for a few $ you can stream the whole event and re watch for I think a month. I remember the early days too Indigopete, it was a bit scary to even go to his forum, (menwith hill is not far from me) and I used to think someone come knocking on my door anytime!!! His server equipment kept on getting stolen or confiscated, yes he/we have come a long way, and anyone good at maths can soon extrapolate the % increase at this event.........and as you say the evil empire taking the fall with regularity compounds that success which shows the tipping point is getting much much closer.

:couch2::drum:

[Kiforall]

I wonder what the controllers think about this iminent gathering.

They don't care because they think the numbers are still too small. 5000 people woken up is "nothing" think the controllers.

But that's not true.

The 5000 are just a thermometer. You see the mercury rising but it's not what's generating the heat. That's done by much more subtle but fundamental awakenings amongst humanity as a whole. Although subtle, the aggregate effect is overwhelming because it's source is not identifiable, it's potency is infinite and it's targets are unpredictable.

To spell it out, for every additional person attending a metaphorical David Icke event, there's a new mainstream establishment component failure like the Jimmy Savile / BBC lie machine exposure.

Just keep them coming and we'll keep the mercury rising :)!

Pete

I could give them a heads up on one target, I can see Harriet Harmond resigning soon.

Zoe x

[Tane Mahuta]

A true Super Human effort...

we are blessed to have a person as such...

he certainly has come a long way...

David Icke, you are an awesome Human being...

TM

will be watching the live stream event, can''t wait!!

[Earth Angel]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50649-David-Icke-Wembley-Event-to-be-STREAMED-worldwide-October-27th

a bargain I say !


Gardener;57306[B]0]Did everyone know that for a few $ you can stream the whole event and re watch for I think a month.[/Bquote]

[Cidersomerset]

Latest Alex and David interview.....Alex says he is going to let David talk without
him interrupting ....Lets see if he manages it..LOL.. !!!


qduo3NHXtfM

[Cidersomerset]

As if things could not get more wierder , as David says in above vid !!


Jimmy Savile now connected to necrophilia (sex with dead bodies) - precisely what David Icke has been saying for years

Wednesday, 24 October 2012 11:38


http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/74537-jimmy-savile-now-connected-to-necrophilia-sex-with-dead-bodies-precisely-what-david-icke-has-been-saying-for-years

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Re: How Jimmy was able to Fix it !!!



Jimmy Savile 'Was A Necrophiliac' Claims Former BBC Radio Colleague Paul Gambaccini


PA/The Huffington Post UK | Posted: 23/10/2012 18:08 BST Updated: 23/10/2012 21:08 BST

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012...n_2005896.html

Jimmy Savile's former BBC radio colleague Paul Gambaccini claimed on Tuesday it was known among staff that the late presenter targeted vulnerable, "institutionalised" young people.

And he alluded to claims Savile had been involved in "necrophilia" and questioned why newspapers had failed to run stories about suspicions while he was alive.

Gambaccini worked with Savile at Radio 1 where he had first heard stories about his abuse of under-age girls.


http://i.huffpost.com/gen/798026/thumbs/o-JIMMY-SAVILE-570.jpg?6

Gambaccini said the problems with failing to call Savile to account went well beyond the BBC



He told Radio 5 Live presenter Nicky Campbell on Tuesday that he used a "politically incorrect" term to categorise the people to whom Savile devoted his attentions.

"The expression I came to associate with Savile's sexual partners was either one used by production assistants or one I made up to summarise their reports ... 'under-age subnormals'," said Gambaccini.

"He targeted the institutionalised, the hospitalised - and this was known. Why did Jimmy go to hospitals? That's where the patients were."

But he said these things were taking place at a time when staff failed to get to grips with the concept of paedophilia.

"It was considered so far beyond the pale that people didn't believe it happened," he said during the 5 Live Breakfast Show.

And he said the problems with failing to call Savile to account went well beyond the BBC.

He questioned why newspapers had not acted when he said a tabloid reporter had boasted that his colleagues were aware of a story linking Savile to "necrophilia".

Campbell pointed out: "That particularly lurid accusation that you have just brought to people's attention is one that has not been in the public domain."

Gambaccini agreed and asked "why not?" And he asked: "Who vetted the knighthood? Coco the clown?"

He said the entire society was taken in by Savile - "including the prime minister who invited him to Chequers; including the royal family, photographed with him, he got a knighthood in this country, he got a papal knighthood.

"This is not just the BBC this is history, this is a man who conned an entire society," Gambaccini added.

It came as the BBC Director General George Entwistle was accused by MPs of failing to "get a grip" and compared to James Murdoch during a stormy select committee session in the wake of the Savile sex abuse allegations, after which the culture secretary said the scandal raised "very real concerns" about public trust in the BBC.

In a letter to Lord Patten, the chairman of the BBC Trust, Maria Miller said: "Following today's select committee hearing and the revelations that have emerged about the factual inaccuracies in the BBC's explanation about why the Savile item in Newsnight was pulled, very real concerns are being raised about public trust and confidence in the BBC.

"In all our conversations we have talked about the paramount importance of full public trust in the BBC's inquiries and agreed that it is essential that licence fee payers can be assured that they are being conducted thoroughly and with the full cooperation of the BBC, in line with the Trust's duty to 'ensure that the BBC observes high standards of openness and transparency'."

Ms Miller said it was "vital that these inquiries are able to follow the evidence wherever it takes them" and welcomed Lord Patten's "commitment" that would happen.

In a letter responding to Mrs Miller tonight, Lord Patten wrote: "You know how seriously the Trust takes the allegations surrounding Jimmy Savile and the need to maintain public trust in the BBC."

He said the inquiries would be "comprehensive and independent", adding: "You have recognised both the credibility and the scope of those who are leading the inquiries and the wide scope of their terms of reference."

But the peer also delivered a thinly-veiled warning that the government should not wade into the row.

"I know that you will not want to give any impression that you are questioning the independence of the BBC," he wrote.

=================================================

This is what i was listening to when I rang the BBC radio 5 live , to highlight
The Holly Greig & Robert Green case !!

[Heather2017]

Latest Alex and David interview.....

qduo3NHXtfM

Bumping this great interview. IMHO, really good stuff starts about 30 minutes in. (So much consistency with what Lisa Renee (http://www.energeticsynthesis.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=55&Itemid=64) discusses.)

Connections with recent Avalon threads about loosh, pedophilia, vaccines, mind control...

It's heartening to see how many people are finally connecting the dots.

We are amazing, multidimensional beings. Together we can override the dark agendas and restore the organic plan.

Love,
Heather

[we-R-one]

So I was in the middle of watching a very long David Icke youtube video and now I can no longer access it...in fact, I can't access anything for David Icke. So then I punched in Project Camelot and I can't get anything on youtube for them either! :eek:

I even rebooted my system, help me out here guys, is it me, or is something goin' on?

[bennycog]

hey we-r-one
i can access it form here mate.. are you able to get youtube at all?

http://www.youtube.com/user/davidicke?feature=results_main

[we-R-one]

yep, but anything alternative seems to be getting blocked...can't get camelot, can't get alex jones, tried sgt. clifford, bob dean, etc.

[we-R-one]

So Bennycog your link seems to be working for me....I don't get it.....could be because you're out of the country?

EDIT: Well Paul seems to be getting it just fine....ok, I'm getting weirded out..maybe something is going on with cable on my end...but I seem to be able to get youtube and other channels no problem.

And...I'm on Avalon just fine....

Unless anyone else in the states is having trouble it must be something with my cable, though my cable appears to be fine as everything else seems to work...looks like I can't get any other youtube videos..it's just letting me get to the front page and the rest are scrambled.

Geez did I hit the sensor button or something, lol?

[pugwash84]

I can get it fine from the UK maybe you have got safe search on or something xxx

[NewFounderHome]

I can get to Alex and Camelot from Quebec, Canada.

[DevilPigeon]

-----

I've noticed recently that YouTube seems to have changed in how it streams, it only seems to buffer up to a maximum of a couple of minutes from the current point in the video. Previously it would try and download the entire video even when paused, so there was a benefit that if you open a large video and then leave it on pause for a few minutes, you'd have a larger buffer which meant smoother playback on slower connections.

Something else I've noticed - and this relates directly to the topic - certain types of video seem to download very slowly, meaning very jumpy playback... There have been several interesting videos I've tried watching directly on YouTube, for example from links on Avalon, David Icke etc, and it's these that seem to fall within this category. If you want to watch the latest tat that the rest of the braindead sheep rank so highly then generally these play just fine and dandy.

[Carmody]

Yes, the data is being filtered, speed of delivery wise, according to what they desire to have you see/view.

This is a not so subtle attempt to slow down the viewing of videos they want you to see, vs what they don't want you to see.

Of course, the cover story they will use and probably do use..if one notices this..is that they grudgingly say it is about revenue.

Well, there are videos that download quickly and videos that download slowly..that have nothing to do with revenue, so that 'cover story' won't work.

For most people who bother to inquire..as in 'dig', it will be a good enough cover story. What I mean, is that it is a reasonable sounding cover story for those who bother to investigate, and those investigations will end there.

It is much more insidious than that simple cover story. What this means, is that the general public will never notice enough or be bothered enough to investigate...and when they do this cover story will work for +95% of them, so it will end there. For the hidden greed part...sounds reasonable -Reasonable to those who never investigate and finally do.

So a hidden action, the reveal and discovery...but the truth behind that --still remains. with 95-99% of the people not passing behind the 'zig zag' of the story and finding out what is really going on behind those blind curves.

Let me explain:

I am getting service through a small company, that is a long time original of the 'internet'(1980's). A small independent. One that buys data flow and connectivity into and out of the net, at a location that is 3000+ miles from my location, even though the company is local. And I was right there with them, way back then, and know the owners by name.

This problem and any speed problem...it is specifically NOT coming out of my DIRECT and FULL internet connection, and I'm probably one of the last few people on the planet who can speak directly with the technicians who handle my actual and real/full connection to the net, and said technicians are in charge of and know the full data flow system.

I have investigated. I have eliminated the local and net connectivity, in the fundamental physical sense and KNOW who it is and WHAT they are doing. As in variables and potentials have been eliminated and I'm not guessing.

It is a pure youtube phenomenon, thus it is a pure Google phenomenon.

Youtube and Google are playing the 'subtle strangulation and herding' game.


Oh yes. data rate costs, in case you wanted to know: 0.1 US cent per gigabite..... And quickly dropping.

[Sidney]

So Bennycog your link seems to be working for me....I don't get it.....could be because you're out of the country?

EDIT: Well Paul seems to be getting it just fine....ok, I'm getting weirded out..maybe something is going on with cable on my end...but I seem to be able to get youtube and other channels no problem.

And...I'm on Avalon just fine....

Unless anyone else in the states is having trouble it must be something with my cable, though my cable appears to be fine as everything else seems to work...looks like I can't get any other youtube videos..it's just letting me get to the front page and the rest are scrambled.

Geez did I hit the sensor button or something, lol?

You can never rule out completely that someone is effF ing with your computer. TPTB have access to anyone and everyones computer/internet and can play around anytime they want. I have experienced it many many times. You might want to be on the lookout for anything else strange goings on around you. You can pm me if you would like an elaboration. : )

[Mad Hatter]

@ we-R-one

I recommend you invest the time and investigate Orbit down loader (or something similar)...

[we-R-one]

All right, gonna try it again this morning to see if it works...hopefully my computer is well rested now, and won't give me fits....ha, ha

¤=[Post Update]=¤

thanks for all your help guys

[we-R-one]

Yipeeee! working now......hmmm, cable company must have been doing something....I mean I even punched in sonny and cher and couldn't get the videos to play..as I knew their videos wouldn't be sensored, lol. Glad it was just me...I was getting worried.

[Carmody]

the other thing if not mentioned is that one can have a busload of parasitic 'watchers' and that web pages loading and being interrupted can be very common, with all those parasitic cookies. cookies that report one's every action and motion to their parent sites/operators.

firefox as a browser..., and in a linux environment, if at all possible. Then always clean up. regularly. No windows, no mac (browsers).

[Kindred]

Just last week, Every video from YT stopped working for me.. no matter what site I was looking at. It happened suddenly. Got home from work (I think it was a Thursday), and everywhere I went, every YT video link was a 'white-out' with some text saying it couldn't find something. Finally went to my ISP help group, and they had to change the IP address on my machine - to basically 'pick one at random'.

Now, the upshot of this was a number of months ago, I could not access some alternative news sites... and, as per a suggestion here on PA, I specified some IP addresses, and this corrected the problem.

Methinks there are some machinations happening in the net-world that are causing these disruptions, and they are implemented in random fashion. Gets us going (upset), doesn't it?

Then, we hear about new weaponry that can Selectively 'take out' electronic gear upon targeting.

"Things" are ramping up in time for the 'new year'. All one can do is realize that everything is as it 'should be'.

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Earth Angel]

just bumping this to remind people its tomorrow morning........guess the clocks have gone back in the UK already, here in Canada it hasn't happened which means as far as I can tell, it starts at 4 am our time tomorrow morning......I certainly won't be up that early , but I will watch the replay for the next month .....happy viewing!

[gooty64]

Countdown is 12 hours and minutes from now.
It will be cool to compare notes afterward.
I may not be able to watch it all LIVE but, hope to see it all within a couple days or so.

[norman]

The clocks are usually shifted on Saturday night/Sunday morning ( after the event ).

[Butangeld]

I am watching now with goldenwonder, it is lunch break right now!
Would have been quite something to have seen both Icke and Bill Hicks on the same stage :) Good dream.

[selinam]

I am watching too. Had to get up pretty early but it's worth it! :)

[Tony]

So far so good!

[angelahedgehog]

I arrived to the live stream later than planned .... But it's brilliant!
:cool:

[gooty64]

First the countdown on David Icke's website was off by a couple of hours according to my time -CST. So I joined in with the Livestream for about 40 minutes then the video became frozen and silent while Icke was talking about Credo Mutwa and the Chitahuari (sp?) It's been frozen for 5 minutes so far.
So I guess the headline should be "NWO Attacks David Icke Livestream Event":eek:


Countdown is 12 hours and minutes from now.
It will be cool to compare notes afterward.
I may not be able to watch it all LIVE but, hope to see it all within a couple days or so.

PS Ok, it has frozen a couple of times. But instead of waiting for it to un-freeze, I just need to refresh it after a momentary freeze.
PS, maybe it wasn't the NWO after all:o

[indigopete]

Hi Folks

Just wanted to recommend the Icke Wembley presentation today which is being streamed live over the internet. Apparently the stream's going to be available till late November, so even if you miss it live you can still watch it.

The reason I was inspired to make this post (I wasn't going to bother cos I assumed that many Avalon subscribers are well aware of it) is because this is one of the best quality streams I've ever watched over the internet.

It's like watching high def TV - I'm connecting over a measly 3 Meg broadband connection, watching on a huge 30 inch monitor and the video is rock solid and crystal clear. The sound is totally hi-fi and there are lots of camera angles. Sets a new standard in "alternative media" online streams if you ask me.

Link is here . . . http://www.davidicke.com/wembley/index.html

Pete

[gripreaper]

Should be interesting, once he's laid out the dynamics of the control grid, how deep it goes, and the perverse nature of the core species. I've always wondered, after listening to Credo Mutwa, why central Africa has always been isolated and kept out of the historical spotlight. IS it because that is where the Chitahuari live?

Should be interesting to see if the second half goes more into our spiritual nature and how we can evolve into who we truly are.

[we-R-one]

I'm hoping he puts his focus on being heart-centered as that's where it's at...all about frequency

[Snoweagle]

oh yes
pay per view too

[Earth Angel]

40 minute break right now.......info and quality brilliant !

[Earth Angel]

missed the first several hours, it would have been 4 am for me.....but I am loving it so far. Break time now and as Gooty said it did freeze up for me and I just closed it and reopened and it was fine.......going to enjoy the next month of re-watching (and catching the first several hours!)

Its a horrible rainy day here in Ontario and this is a lovely way to spend the day, cup of tea, by the fire and David Icke at his best!

[gooty64]

Should be interesting, once he's laid out the dynamics of the control grid, how deep it goes, and the perverse nature of the core species. I've always wondered, after listening to Credo Mutwa, why central Africa has always been isolated and kept out of the historical spotlight. IS it because that is where the Chitahuari live?

Should be interesting to see if the second half goes more into our spiritual nature and how we can evolve into who we truly are.

My sentiments, eggszactly!

[selinam]

missed the first several hours, it would have been 4 am for me.....but I am loving it so far. Break time now and as Gooty said it did freeze up for me and I just closed it and reopened and it was fine.......going to enjoy the next month of re-watching (and catching the first several hours!)

Its a horrible rainy day here in Ontario and this is a lovely way to spend the day, cup of tea, by the fire and David Icke at his best!

Hey EarthAngel

I'm in Ontario too and it has been raining since I got up at 4:45am! I wanted to watch the whole thing live and it has been great so far. A few times it has frozen for a few seconds, but not missed much and I will be watching again to catch those parts. Looking forward to seeing the rest...

[gooty64]

I'm hoping he puts his focus on being heart-centered as that's where it's at...all about frequency

Yes, but I am looking for more than just listen to your heart.....how many times have we heard that from a gazillion messengers?

I would like to hear how to deconstruct the Archontic (Jinn, Reptilian etc) unseen forces that have manipulated mankind for centuries.

And also "How do we remember who we are"? How do we see through the veil?

[we-R-one]

you look within! The answers are there..that is how I figured it out. It's all about frequency, that's how you get rid of them! By becoming heart centered you help create the frequency shift....the science is there to prove it....and I don't understand why these guys don't use it to make their point. Maybe I'm missing something....I'm hopeful that David will do that in this presentation. I have been wanting to post "the solution" for quite some time on the forum, but just haven't had the time to complete it. I posted part of it on a star seed thread a month or so back.

When humans begin to understand that they must think from the heart...not the gut!.......and they make more heart centered choices it will have a tremendous impact on our reality and I believe that it's this very impact that will help create a dimensional shift. As David has pointed out...they cannot live in higher frequencies, the negative energy is a food source that we generate for them! Take the initiative to think and make decisions from the heart...that is what they don't want you to do and that is the very thing I did back in the eary 90's when I had my Kundalini experience. This is what I mean when I say I looked within for the truth. The experience of having the Kundalini was generated by a heart-centered thought. It was the transmutation of negative energy to positive. Most likely when I did that, I created a template, making it easier for others within the energy field to have the same experience....

I'm not making this stuff up...this is how I know

[angelahedgehog]

It's well worth watching! I've dipped in and out of it all day but I will definitely be going back to watch it from beginning to end.
Not only is the presentation professionally executed, it runs on my cranky Internet connection and Mac and the content is absolutely mind-blowingly brilliant. He's absolutely spot-on in terms of everything. It pieces together all the little bits and creates an epic picture - like the completion of a really complex puzzle.
Ooh it's starting again ;)

[geofffxdwg]

Imagine that pay per view for information he says is crucial for the people of the world to know.Who's side is he on? Theirs, the people of the world, or his own.

[Limor Wolf]

Imagine that pay per view for information he says is crucial for the people of the world to know.Who's side is he on? Theirs, the people of the world, or his own.

I ask your forgivenesse, Geofffxdwg, But on a practical level, would you suggest that David Icke needs to pay for renting the Wembley Arena for the day himself? for the lighting, filming, streaming his presentation on the internet, to all who are involved in this great production, and all the other stuff we can't even take into account? and perheps vice versa, maybe he shouldn't bring this information to the world at all? please take into consideration the fact that this person is devoting all his life to the cause, I think that the answer to your question - Who's side is he on ? is quite obvious.


There is nothing that suggests that David is charging unaccaptable sums of money in order to put it in his pockets, it is probably the other way around. And I personally find thoughts like that, without taking the whole picture in, not based and quite naive.

[BrianEn]

I understand the need for ppv. Hopefully later on down the line I'll be able to watch it.

[geofffxdwg]

You know nothing about me or how I live my life.I don't even own an arm chair let alone what I have been devoting my life to.I called no one naive yet your very quick to judge me. If I wanted an insult from some one half my age who hasn't even been around the block yet it will only come from a very naive person such as yourself.
naive :adjective
don't be fooled by his naive manner of speaking: innocent, unsophisticated, artless, ingenuous, inexperienced, guileless, unworldly, trusting; gullible, credulous, immature, callow, raw, green, wide-eyed; informal wet behind the ears, born yesterday. ANTONYMS worldly.

[Raven]

Hi Folks

Just wanted to recommend the Icke Wembley presentation today which is being streamed live over the internet. Apparently the stream's going to be available till late November, so even if you miss it live you can still watch it.

The reason I was inspired to make this post (I wasn't going to bother cos I assumed that many Avalon subscribers are well aware of it) is because this is one of the best quality streams I've ever watched over the internet.

It's like watching high def TV - I'm connecting over a measly 3 Meg broadband connection, watching on a huge 30 inch monitor and the video is rock solid and crystal clear. The sound is totally hi-fi and there are lots of camera angles. Sets a new standard in "alternative media" online streams if you ask me.

Link is here . . . http://www.davidicke.com/wembley/index.html

PeteHi - my live stream just stopped at 11:08am PST (west coast NA) any tips on how to get it back - he was just saying that America is being used to destroy America and then it went off stream.....

[Star Tsar]

Just refresh mine has stop about six times today :)

[Raven]

it came back on - thanks @ 11:11 :-)


Hi Folks

Just wanted to recommend the Icke Wembley presentation today which is being streamed live over the internet. Apparently the stream's going to be available till late November, so even if you miss it live you can still watch it.

The reason I was inspired to make this post (I wasn't going to bother cos I assumed that many Avalon subscribers are well aware of it) is because this is one of the best quality streams I've ever watched over the internet.

It's like watching high def TV - I'm connecting over a measly 3 Meg broadband connection, watching on a huge 30 inch monitor and the video is rock solid and crystal clear. The sound is totally hi-fi and there are lots of camera angles. Sets a new standard in "alternative media" online streams if you ask me.

Link is here . . . http://www.davidicke.com/wembley/index.html

PeteHi - my live stream just stopped at 11:08am PST (west coast NA) any tips on how to get it back - he was just saying that America is being used to destroy America and then it went off stream.....

[Limor Wolf]

don't be fooled by his naive manner of speaking: innocent, unsophisticated, artless, ingenuous, inexperienced, guileless, unworldly, trusting; gullible, credulous, immature, callow, raw, green, wide-eyed; informal wet behind the ears, born yesterday. ANTONYMS worldly.

I know nothing about you, your thoughts, However, reveal quite a lot. and not one single answer for my questions.


Peace


Limor

[Carmody]

You know nothing about me or how I live my life.I don't even own an arm chair let alone what I have been devoting my life to.I called no one naive yet your very quick to judge me. If I wanted an insult from some one half my age who hasn't even been around the block yet it will only come from a very naive person such as yourself.
naive :adjective
don't be fooled by his naive manner of speaking: innocent, unsophisticated, artless, ingenuous, inexperienced, guileless, unworldly, trusting; gullible, credulous, immature, callow, raw, green, wide-eyed; informal wet behind the ears, born yesterday. ANTONYMS worldly.

actually, not at all. it's about communication and how it is interpreted. Plain and simple. And that your original communication on this matter was....looking like it was and is...nasty, to choose a word.

I don't judge you and I don't judge David.

There is a time and place for either life that is being lived and what is being done with it.

[indigopete]

Imagine that pay per view for information he says is crucial for the people of the world to know.Who's side is he on? Theirs, the people of the world, or his own.

Geoff

I'm afraid I don't endorse your cynisism in this instance regarding the pay per view policy.

There is a massive amount of free media generated by Icke available to all and sundry. For the price of a couple of bottles of wine you can follow this event on one of the best quality live feeds I've ever seen on the internet.

He is right to deploy whatever means he has to to get this information out and that includes means making it economically viable to do so.

Pete

[ThePythonicCow]

was....looking like it was and is...nasty, to choose a word.

Agreed :).

Please, take it easy, geofffxdwg.

[araucaria]

If David Icke is working for the other side, then he is doing a bluddy fricking bluddy awful job of it :)

[Referee]

Any one going to hint at new info? I can't afford PPV right now. Bummed it would be awesome!

[we-R-one]

I hope David puts this show on dvd...I would love to pass out his message far and wide

[Swan]

OK.
I hearby nominate David Icke as the loveliest man in the universe.

[Kimberley]

WOW the last hour an a half was intensely fabulous!!!

SHAWN GALLAWAY - I CHOOSE LOVE

YHpy_k_kMTU

Much love to us all alwys and in ALL ways!!! :grouphug:

[Gardener]

That was just awesome...awesome...awesome.....

I CHOOSE LOVE

:cheer2:

[we-R-one]

well.....what did you guys think? I wished I wouldn't have missed the first half.....I think the time they put up on the screen was inaccurate, at least we can go back. I thought David was excellent no doubt, he is an amazing presenter!

But why is he not putting more focus on the science behind being heart centered, and how the emotions of love, compassion and forgiveness are what have the ability to change the frequency??? It's like he comes right to the edge, and then stops....I don't get it....is that something to let others figure out on their own?

Regardless I think he did a fabulous job, can't wait to watch the first part!

[selinam]

Wow - that was everything I was hoping it to be and more!

[Kimberley]

I thought the last hour and a half was fabulous!!

SHAWN GALLAWAY - I CHOOSE LOVE

YHpy_k_kMTU

Much love to us all always in ALL ways !!! :grouphug:

[selinam]

I think David did an excellent job. As far as I can tell it started at 5:15am edt which was 15 minutes later than advertised.
I watched the whole thing and I thought that it was almost as good as being there. I will definitely be watching it
again.

Great work David :)

[we-R-one]

Yes, something with the time was off. I was going according to the screen on the live stream, and the time it said it was going to start did not match what time it started. Before I went to bed I had 11 hours according to the time clock...well I can tell you I didn't sleep for 11 hours, lol.

[selinam]

Yeah I'm gonna sleep good tonight - :) Only caught about 4 hours sleep in all! But well worth it.

[Earth Angel]

does anyone know how we can re-watch it?? I looked at the site and the FAQ and says my login and password was sent to me when I purchased my ticket but all i got was a receipt showing I paid for a Pre Event.....no login, no password.......wonder how long it will be till it is available?? I missed the first 5 hours.....but boy he must be exhausted after that long presentation complete with singing and dancing!!

[Earth Angel]

it always comes down to why do we have to pay for the info......because David is many things but he is not a HOMELESS BREATHARIAN !!
This info will no doubt become available for free shortly, it always does.......so no one is going to go without , don't panic.

[Kimberley]

Referee

For me there was no new info per say... I always learn something new...however I can not tell you what it was :-)

I have been grateful for David I's information and research for years... I chose to view the last 4 hours live because i wanted to participate with the collective energy real time and am I glad I did!!!

I did not view from the beginning... I will go back to see if I missed anything...I feel I am quite up to speed on what the plan has been and how it has been orchestrated.

I am more than happy and thrilled with how David presented the solution during the last hour and a half of this event. It moved me to tears of love!!! I am so glad I was watching live!! The solution is simple "Chose Love". I already know that however it was great fun to join in with thousands all over the world to celebrate who we are and how powerful we are as one!!

Much love!

[Vitalux]

yes would be interested in seeing the free version....for me.....I gave up the illusion of money....which means I don't have too much to pump up my ego with....unfortunately:(

[Kimberley]

My spidey senses tell me that this will eventually be available for no money exchange in time... because of course he needed to pay his expenses. However the information needs to be shared and spread far and wide... those of us that paid paid to support the information to be spread far and wide!!

Thrive did the same thing...

Much love!!

[RunningDeer]

I just sign up, I'm logged on for the David Icke Live but it's not going. Any suggestions?

So based on another thread, it's seems that one has to wait.

Thanks, Caren :wave:

Help yourself everyone...


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[Kimberley]

does anyone know how we can re-watch it?? I looked at the site and the FAQ and says my login and password was sent to me when I purchased my ticket but all i got was a receipt showing I paid for a Pre Event.....no login, no password.......wonder how long it will be till it is available?? I missed the first 5 hours.....but boy he must be exhausted after that long presentation complete with singing and dancing!!

EA I was sent a log in and password when I paid, however I do not think the re-play is available yet... I just checked and I was logged in but no stream ... I suggest waiting a bit for the replay and going back to find your log-in info

XO

[Fred Steeves]

does anyone know how we can re-watch it?? I looked at the site and the FAQ and says my login and password was sent to me when I purchased my ticket but all i got was a receipt showing I paid for a Pre Event.....no login, no password.......wonder how long it will be till it is available?? I missed the first 5 hours.....but boy he must be exhausted after that long presentation complete with singing and dancing!!

EA I was sent a log in and password when I paid, however I do not think the re-play is available yet... I just checked and I was logged in but no stream ... I suggest waiting a bit for the replay and going back to find your log-in info

XO

Thanks Kimberley, I just got home and was wondering about the blank screen also. Will give it a try tomorrow.

P.S. Anyone have that password memorized yet? (LOL)

[RunningDeer]

does anyone know how we can re-watch it?? I looked at the site and the FAQ and says my login and password was sent to me when I purchased my ticket but all i got was a receipt showing I paid for a Pre Event.....no login, no password.......wonder how long it will be till it is available?? I missed the first 5 hours.....but boy he must be exhausted after that long presentation complete with singing and dancing!!

EA I was sent a log in and password when I paid, however I do not think the re-play is available yet... I just checked and I was logged in but no stream ... I suggest waiting a bit for the replay and going back to find your log-in info

XO

Thanks, Kim. Still nothing for me either. Drats, I've eaten all my popcorn. Here, I made extra and help yourself everyone while we wait.
PS Thank you, Caren :wave:


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[gooty64]

well.....what did you guys think? I wished I wouldn't have missed the first half.....I think the time they put up on the screen was inaccurate, at least we can go back. I thought David was excellent no doubt, he is an amazing presenter!

But why is he not putting more focus on the science behind being heart centered, and how the emotions of love, compassion and forgiveness are what have the ability to change the frequency??? It's like he comes right to the edge, and then stops....I don't get it....is that something to let others figure out on their own?

Regardless I think he did a fabulous job, can't wait to watch the first part!

I really liked the Livestream. Very inspiring. Icke is in a league of his own and he is awesome, imho. I did miss the first couple of hours as there was a mix-up between the countdown to the show on his website and CST. And there was a couple of interruptions for me. So it will be good to review it.

I loved the way it ended. After 6+ hours of rabbit hole truth, the music and dancing and inspirational part at the end was quite a trip on high!

I see that Icke is evolving and moving into the arena of the heart and love and camaraderie. He had to be one tough S.O.B. to get through 20+ years of putting out the real truth-rabbit hole-boodlines-reptilian agenda to get to this place-----I really see him evolving.

And yes, that work on the solution is for us to elaborate on now and bring to life...

[Earth Angel]

they answered my email and said VOD probably will be available in 24 hours

[Earth Angel]

24 hours to go they told me when i emailed to ask

[gooty64]

Great post Kimberly,
I lost some water too.:o
I hope the threads will merge soon and then will elaborate more....
Referee

For me there was no new info per say... I always learn something new...however I can not tell you what it was :-)

I have been grateful for David I's information and research for years... I chose to view the last 4 hours live because i wanted to participate with the collective energy real time and am I glad I did!!!

I did not view from the beginning... I will go back to see if I missed anything...I feel I am quite up to speed on what the plan has been and how it has been orchestrated.

I am more than happy and thrilled with how David presented the solution during the last hour and a half of this event. It moved me to tears of love!!! I am so glad I was watching live!! The solution is simple "Chose Love". I already know that however it was great fun to join in with thousands all over the world to celebrate who we are and how powerful we are as one!!

Much love!

[Kiforall]

I've watched a couple of clips that are on you tube.

I found the Saturn, moon info very informative.

I have a theory that if we send some Love up to those crystals floating within Saturns rings we can charge the messengers frequency into a positive state of Love. A charge of positive energy will blast the main computer ( moon) and the re boot will happen.

The villagers know they have control, now others must join the clan and focus their intention on sending Love out to those spiralling rings of Saturn.

Who's up for giving it a go.

Everything lines up cosmically I believe, Scorpio, Taurus, Saturn, Moon (full)
The Sun has quietened and is listening............

Zoe x

[RunningDeer]

I just received notice of why I am unable to load the vid. I'll post the email for others:
Hi,
Thank you for your email.

The event is over. The VOD of the event will be available on the website in 24 hours until 26th of November.
If you have any other questions, please do not hesitate to write to us.

Kind Regards,
Elena

On 28 October 2012 01:12, | ken | jackshoot | <ken@jackshoot.com>

[RunningDeer]

I just received notice of why I am unable to load the vid. I'll post the email for others:
Hi,
Thank you for your email.

The event is over. The VOD of the event will be available on the website in 24 hours until 26th of November.
If you have any other questions, please do not hesitate to write to us.

Kind Regards,
Elena

[Melinda]

I really liked the Livestream. Very inspiring. Icke is in a league of his own and he is awesome, imho.



...it was great fun to join in with thousands all over the world to celebrate who we are and how powerful we are as one!!

I totally agree gooty64 and Kimberley. I find it so uplifting to see him reaching a growing audience. It was a powerful presentation. He covers so much ground and connects it in ways and with a passion unlike any other speaker I've seen. It was great to see him bringing up Nikola Tesla and free energy as an answer to the artificial creation of economic scarcity. It's as you say Kimberley - we can chose love, and you could really feel how the section at the end came from his heart. It's a BIG heart.

Thanks for the popcorn WhiteCrowBlackDeer :)

[ThePythonicCow]

I hope the threads will merge soon and then will elaborate more....
I just noticed, upon reading your comment here, that there are two David Icke at Wembley threads:

David Icke Wembley Event to be STREAMED worldwide October 27th (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50649-David-Icke-Wembley-Event-to-be-STREAMED-worldwide-October-27th)
Today's David Icke Video Stream - Quality !! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51370-Today-s-David-Icke-Video-Stream-Quality---)

One was started three weeks ago, and one was started within the last day.

I am wondering if I should merge them, or let them be as is, or close one of them, or ...

I suspect anything I do, or don't do, will be imperfect.

Any suggestions?

[we-R-one]

I really liked the Livestream. Very inspiring. Icke is in a league of his own and he is awesome, imho. I did miss the first couple of hours as there was a mix-up between the countdown to the show on his website and CST. And there was a couple of interruptions for me. So it will be good to review it.

I loved the way it ended. After 6+ hours of rabbit hole truth, the music and dancing and inspirational part at the end was quite a trip on high!

I see that Icke is evolving and moving into the arena of the heart and love and camaraderie. He had to be one tough S.O.B. to get through 20+ years of putting out the real truth-rabbit hole-boodlines-reptilian agenda to get to this place-----I really see him evolving.

And yes, that work on the solution is for us to elaborate on now and bring to life...

I remember David saying in one of his interviews, that it was discovered within the old scrolls of ancient Gnostic teachings that humans were once heart-centered beings. Since then, we have been programmed and manipulated along with our language to steer us away from heart-centered concepts. This was the information that helped me connect the dot to the profound heart-centered experience I had so long ago. Have you ever had something happen to you, and you know it has significance, and yet because you have no frame of reference or knowledge, you cannot put the piece of the puzzle in it's proper place? That's what it was like for me.

I never understood exactly what individuals meant when they said to look within, until my own awakening occurred. Once I got over the fear, OMG, the flood gates opened and I began to remember a lot- past lives, my twin flame, what unconditional love really feels like, etc.....What must be understood, is that many are having similar memories, but because they're programmed they don't realize or recognize their experiences to be memories or clues from the past. Big hint....a memory is not necessarily a picture in your mind coming forward! So when I say look within, start thinking about things you have said in the past, emotions- how certain things make you feel, likes, dislikes, experiences, these are all clues to who you are and where you come from and where you've been. Nobody ever explains that, so I think it gets overlooked. This is how you "remember who you are".

I still have memories hanging out there from when I was a little girl that I believe are clues from past lives, not just some little kids imagination like I had always been "programmed" to believe. One such memory is the fear over loud machinery. I lived in a small town growing up, where harvesting was done at night. The noise of the equipment would scare me to death. There was nothing that had happened to me around equipment at that age to create that kind of fear. I would wake up paralyzed at night by that sound. I'll never forget it......This is what I mean by emotions.....this is a clue, I believe, of a past life. I envision it most likely stems from living in a place where machines might have ruled, killing anyone who got in the way- The fear of that sound....It took many years for me to get over that, so obviously whatever happened had a tremendous impact on my psyche.

I believe when you begin to look within, it is then that the veil begins to lift and oh yes, you will have many choices of rabbit holes to pick from, lol. The will to make the choice to be more heart-centered through actions of love, compassion and forgiveness is what will help usher in a new dimension. This is also called emotional clearing, which is why each individual is needed to clean up their side of the street so to speak. Emotional clearing done on a mass scale will generate the higher vibrations needed; you see it's all about frequency. We have to stop judging and fighting one another and start thinking with love, compassion and forgiveness. Then......combine that with the concepts of a Holographic Universe, 100Th Monkey Syndrome, and Collective Resonance and dang, can you say hellooooo 5D?

[gooty64]

Paul were counting on you!


I hope the threads will merge soon and then will elaborate more....
I just noticed, upon reading your comment here, that there are two David Icke at Wembley threads:

David Icke Wembley Event to be STREAMED worldwide October 27th (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50649-David-Icke-Wembley-Event-to-be-STREAMED-worldwide-October-27th)
Today's David Icke Video Stream - Quality !! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51370-Today-s-David-Icke-Video-Stream-Quality---)

One was started three weeks ago, and one was started within the last day.

I am wondering if I should merge them, or let them be as is, or close one of them, or ...

I suspect anything I do, or don't do, will be imperfect.

Any suggestions?

[RunningDeer]

I hope the threads will merge soon and then will elaborate more....
I just noticed, upon reading your comment here, that there are two David Icke at Wembley threads:

David Icke Wembley Event to be STREAMED worldwide October 27th (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50649-David-Icke-Wembley-Event-to-be-STREAMED-worldwide-October-27th)
Today's David Icke Video Stream - Quality !! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51370-Today-s-David-Icke-Video-Stream-Quality---)

One was started three weeks ago, and one was started within the last day.

I am wondering if I should merge them, or let them be as is, or close one of them, or ...

I suspect anything I do, or don't do, will be imperfect.

Any suggestions?

You are welcome to delete my double posts. I'm sure people wouldn't mind if it's not in a particular order.

[ThePythonicCow]

Paul were counting on you!
I take it you're voting in favor of a merge?

Sometimes I hesitate to merge two threads that have been active in overlapping time periods, as the intermingling of posts from two threads might confuse the conversations going on in either thread separately.

So I am inquiring as to whether others have preferences in this case, before I do anything.

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I'm sure people wouldn't mind if it's not in a particular order.
That sounds like a second vote for merge :).

I'll probably merge in a little while then, unless others have other thoughts.

[RunningDeer]

Paul were counting on you!
I take it you're voting in favor of a merge?

Sometimes I hesitate to merge two threads that have been active in overlapping time periods, as the intermingling of posts from two threads might confuse the conversations going on in either thread separately.

So I am inquiring as to whether others have preferences in this case, before I do anything.

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I'm sure people wouldn't mind if it's not in a particular order.
That sounds like a second vote for merge :).

I'll probably merge in a little while then, unless others have other thoughts.

Go for it, Paul.. :cow: + :cow: = http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Calz/Calzie-Milk-Carton.jpg

(Sorry, Cal... the only milk I had in the house.)

UPDATE: Paul feel free to take all my silly post off, too. Loony tonight. I should step away from the computer.

[gripreaper]

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[ThePythonicCow]

Ok - merge done - and an image of some real milk found, to sooth my eyes after seeing that carton of industrially processed dairy product:

http://yalesustainablefoodproject.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/raw-milk.jpg

[RunningDeer]

Ok - merge done - and an image of some real milk found, to sooth my eyes after seeing that carton of industrially processed dairy product:

http://yalesustainablefoodproject.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/raw-milk.jpg


Don't forget some of these. Good for dippin'
And if you don't eat them, just pretend you do.

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[ThePythonicCow]

Don't forget some of these. Good for dippin'
And if you don't eat them, just pretend you do.
I eat'em ...

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[ExomatrixTV]

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~hitting "Like" for a new uploaded video is ALWAYS to support the video to go viral (let the truth be known, our perception of it) knowing that Mainstream Shamestream Media will 99% not report (or twist it) what we try to explain, educate, point at injustice as we see it!

~if exposing injustice is "disliked" by you than you support the status quo propaganda (mass brainwashing) to continue!

Support Alternative Media Networks not because they are flawless but because we deserve real discussions!

[Tony]

There seems to be people who cause trouble and wind others up.

Hate reveals weakness, Love reveals strength.




Tony

[Snoweagle]

sticks and stones may break my bones but you tube cannot hurt me

[ExomatrixTV]

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[Ruby L.]

I think it's less of an attack, and more of an opporntunity (on the uploaders part.)

Internet porn companies/dealers will always jump on popular search words to give their own channel/links max exposure. So, even if the video has nothing to do with the actual subject, it'll still appear in the particular search stream, simply because of the tag words given.

To me, what the OP vid says is that 'David Icke Wembley Arena' is a strong enough search subject on Youtube, currently, for even an enterprising porn dealer to ride on the coattails of Icke's name and popularity.

The offending vid might have been taken down, already... But it would've gotten quite a fair amount of views beforehand; Mission accomplished for the porn dealer!

[markpierre]

Wow. That was quite blaring. Caesar tossing spoiled fruit at Spartacus..
And they don't know who will get the last laugh, only that there will be one. But they're certain they can trick us into thinking that it's theirs.
The cruelty is in the open now and having it's effect. I don't think I would be shocked at anything.

[Earth Angel]

wow, I just did the search and its still there.....guess he has them scared !

[sygh]

Dear Exo,

Thank you very much for posting this here. 7 hours, whew. Does David Icke have a messiah complex? Not in my book. It takes guts to put one foot in front of the other. It takes some detatchment from self to overcome personal fear of stepping up to the public forum and proclaiming anything, let alone real history and real events. It also takes a whole bunch of determination, especially when there is so much information coming through, to digest the information one finds when it is so overwhelming and then make sense of it without going crazy.

David has helped so many make sense of what they are finding or, have found, thus confirming as well as enlightening. It isn't necessary to grab hold of or, believe every uttered word... who could be that perfect?

After the initial shock of finally stepping out of the shared illusion and saying no, I don't want to walk down this road any more (20 yrs too), what do we do but seek to find others of like mind? That's fantastic, really, and it can be a powerful force going forward. However, if we are not careful, we can go to the complete opposite, while totally forgetting what we saw, or what mother earth told us, and create a paradigm that is just as bad as the one we woke up from (i.e. every shadow is a monster, or playing the game of "Clue").

What is the real focus? There is the thought, there is the understanding, and after the understanding there must be the doing of the actual work.

What do Avalonians see as the most important issue the world faces today? We know we are running out of natural resources... that is real. We've known it in ourselves in our own findings, but knowing it this way is never as shocking as reading the statistics, when it comes to what we (humanity) are doing right now on a global scale. The royal "we" are over-taxing our natural sysems. How do the royal "we" over-come the status quo and change the flow of the river? It is step by step, goal by goal - always with the ideal set in mind, isn't it? I don't wanna stand around sayin' "I told you so." Oh, but to have 1/10th the courage David has. It takes all of us really working together. We have come a long way but we are by no means done. We need to combine our efforts even more as a means of... leading by example? Forgive me if I sound blunt or rude. I'm not trying to be either of those things. Love really is key. If I can express what I feel... I feel love and I also feel the passage of "time" crucial moments? Crucial steps?

Bill, would you please consider doing some more interviews? Maybe you could interview those who are trying to make a difference at a higher level? Does that make sense? Solutions we can all use at local levels.

[sygh]

At the risk of being too wordy, (something that I am working on) I have been going to local government forums and have been amazed at how many of those running are very much aware, and speak as such. How odd it is to hear "Agenda 21" being mentioned with wary. If freedom is what we seek, don't we have an obligation? Shouldn't we be helping our government define our shared goals and visions? What is most important? Where do the animals live, what natural resources do we have? How to promote husbandry, restoration, etc...? The bigger picture.

Love to all. So very glad to be in this clan.

Robin

[angelahedgehog]

Sometimes when it feels like everything is being ignored it's because they don't want to give it the attention it's due .... but this is really blatantly their response ... and it's as ugly as them. Know YouTube for what it is - it's a wolf in sheep's clothing - but for as long as it's useful for getting OUR point across we should continue to use it (imo) :) x

[Camilo]

That's a new low by any standards.

[Cidersomerset]

Saturday October 27,2012


By David Robinson

Express on line .................This article by Mr. Robinson who clearly has no idea of the alternate views
is still typical of mainstream press...' Stuck in a box ' With the lid shut tight ...

I would normally copy & paste the article, but I do not want to waste my time......but I'l link it so you
can see it !!!

Really sad lazy journalism !! Or a deliberate smear ? Its quite sickening imo !!

http://www.express.co.uk/features/view/354769/My-hell-with-Britain-s-biggest-stars-says-Ben-Fellows

[DeDukshyn]

I just did the search and its gone.

I agree with Ruby L
Porn marketers, using a hot search item to promote their filth. Think about it. This is how they do stuff and hot search items are their motivation.

With the cup half full -- more exposure for David via controversy!
Go David! ;)

[mescalitto]

It has been removed now by youtube

[ExomatrixTV]

~David Icke is maybe the most misrepresented, misquoted, misinterpreted, misunderstood, falsely accused ridiculed, laughed at, bullied, marginalized, ignored by many, feared to be "associated with", lied about, endlessly trolled, character attacked, insults (to our intelligence), people acting/posing like a "David Icke supporter" but are actually payed (government) shills or fanatic religious people trying to discredit anyone who dares to commit the crime to be different than mainstream programming!

cheers,
John Kuhles

[Earth Angel]

Just read another article in the Independant I think, same deal, they will not get that Messiah thing go.......its quite sickening, and this one said she with her UNIVERSITY education could not understand this guy who left school at 15......guess that just proves Icke is right, STAY out of School !!!



Saturday October 27,2012


By David Robinson

Express on line .................This article by Mr. Robinson who clearly has no idea of the alternate views
is still typical of mainstream press...' Stuck in a box ' With the lid shut tight ...

I would normally copy & paste the article, but I do not want to waste my time......but I'l link it so you
can see it !!!

Really sad lazy journalism !! Or a deliberate smear ? Its quite sickening imo !!

http://www.express.co.uk/features/view/354769/My-hell-with-Britain-s-biggest-stars-says-Ben-Fellows

[Ruby L.]

Saturday October 27,2012

Express on line .................This article by Mr. Robinson who clearly has no idea of the alternate views is still typical of mainstream press...' Stuck in a box ' With the lid shut tight ...

.....

Really sad lazy journalism !! Or a deliberate smear ? Its quite sickening imo !!

http://www.express.co.uk/features/view/354769/My-hell-with-Britain-s-biggest-stars-says-Ben-Fellows


There are all sorts.

There are those who are going to understand Icke. And then, there are those who are going to think he's a complete nut job!

There's no pleasing everyone... and that's okay.

I agree, the reporter's view comes out box-y.....buuut, can you imagine what it must've been like for him to sit have to sit through 7 hours of Icke, then...? Lol! That cracks me up!

And, did you check out the three, reader's comments, below the article? They're all pro-Icke! :lol:

It's all good, my friend!

[pugwash84]

Now the truth has come out about Saville being a peado they are scared because that is more proof he is telling the truth. More people will now start listening to him and they are worried because Icke knows a lot and can expose a lot of people.

[Kiforall]

There have been a few occasions on You Tube that innocent searches have brought up graphic porn. I don't believe it is a specific attack against David.

Children are spend increasing time on you tube searching for music video's etc.
If they are constantly being desensitized to porn they will be easier to draw into the industry.

Zoe x

[DevilPigeon]

-----

Slightly off topic, but proves the point about lazy journalism in general...

Whenever there's a gas leak/explosion that is deemed newsworthy in the UK, invariably they still refer to 'Transco engineers', and occasionally even 'British Gas engineers' or worse still 'The Gas Board engineers'... Despite the fact that Transco no longer exists, as it was merged with National Grid in 2004.

Lazy bastards. :p

[Taurean]

Saturday October 27,2012


By David Robinson

Express on line .................This article by Mr. Robinson who clearly has no idea of the alternate views
is still typical of mainstream press...' Stuck in a box ' With the lid shut tight ...

I would normally copy & paste the article, but I do not want to waste my time......but I'l link it so you
can see it !!!

Really sad lazy journalism !! Or a deliberate smear ? Its quite sickening imo !!

http://www.express.co.uk/features/vi...ys-Ben-Fellows



It was the standard " trot out " smear,

jeez, they didn't even update the photo of him !

[Hervé]

As for Youtube... check this one: YouTube: Propaganda tool... in case one didn't know. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51319-YouTube-Propaganda-tool...-in-case-one-didn-t-know.)

[geofffxdwg]

In case you may not have noticed.We are in another great depression.Many of us worry about how our families and friends are going eat day to day.But I guess us common stock do not really matter when important information like this is released.After all this information does not concern the rest of the world that is starving to death and dying from lack of proper medical care because of this very situation.Do you think because these same people are dying they don't want to know how and why this has happened to them.I stated three items and never said he was exclusively working for them as your leading reply indicates.I know a production like this costs a lot of money.I'm also fairly certain he will not lose money on this event based on all of the positive reactions I have read.People caught up in these unfortunate events that are really feeling the pinch might want to know some answers as to why this has happened to them.I have paid for a lot of events and even offered to help out at no cost.I have even offered my help at editing videos for Project Camelot at no charge and my offer will always stand.I guess I am also doing a bluddy fricking bluddy awful job of it.

[angelahedgehog]

It's a sad state of affairs when you mention the name Icke and like the drooling dog of Pavlov, the mind in a box immediately remembers the Terry Wogan show .... you've got to wonder if these people ever move on from moments in their lives or if they remain stuck in an ever increasingly distant past. I remember having a huge argument with one of my siblings ... Well there were several. One was where I pointed to all the questions about 911 and got an enraged response toward me that I was questioning the official story .... And then when I suggested an Icke video to watch (in a separate incident) thus began a long rant about how Icke drew the noble sport of football into disrepute.

I shake my head in sadness because unfortunately I am related to people like the journos working for the archons. People who will be chewed up and spat out once they've served their purpose and then have to face the fact that they sold out their humanity for a couple of paychecks and a pat on the head.

[The Truth Is In There]

i'm waiting for the day when david icke pulls a larger crowd than the queen ;)

[Earth Angel]

sorry if this is posted already........on David Icke's site the whole event is now available free http://www.davidicke.com/wembley/ (http://http://www.davidicke.com/wembley/)

CORRECTION...

seems I was mistaken, you can view a 2 hour compiled video of the event...and yes it is still PPV, the reason it seemed free is I have already paid for it and the site automatically recognized my computer.........sorry for the misleading info!

[DevilPigeon]

sorry if this is posted already........on David Icke's site the whole event is now available free http://www.davidicke.com/wembley/ (http://http://www.davidicke.com/wembley/)

Nope, costs £15.

[RunningDeer]

Powerful performance.... "Remember Who You Are"
I am renewed... I choose Love

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Bryce/150.jpg

[Earth Angel]

and it is now FREE to view the entire event on his website http://www.davidicke.com/wembley/





CORRECTION...

seems I was mistaken, you can view a 2 hour compiled video of the event...and yes it is still PPV, the reason it seemed free is I have already paid for it and the site automatically recognized my computer.........sorry for the misleading info!

[angelahedgehog]

I have paid for a lot of events and even offered to help out at no cost.I have even offered my help at editing videos for Project Camelot at no charge and my offer will always stand.I guess I am also doing a bluddy fricking bluddy awful job of it.


Geofffxdwg, with all the respect in the Universe, I'm not entirely sure I see the point you're trying to make. I think you're right, everyone should have free access to this information - but they don't because there is a cost and implication associated with putting the information out there in a free for all.

Putting everything else aside - and man - 'm not claiming to know what it costs to run an event of this size at this sort of location with the multiple camera live streaming jibby-jobby capabilities - but a) its in Pound Sterling and b) logically, if everyone could freely stream the presentation - could the network bandwidth cope? Probably not - because you're planning for an unknown - always tricky.

Something else to consider is there is probably also a Client-Access-License (costs money per unit) for each concurrent connection (after all multimedia companies also have licensing costs, staff to pay and infrastructure to maintain) and if there's an unknown quantity of people connecting, then there's an unknown associated cost.

And one more big thing if it were free, what would stop every troll and shill in creation descending on it, clogging it up and stuffing it up for everyone else?

Have a bit of patience, the information will filter down. It is already starting to become available for free on YouTube already and there's a whole nine hours worth.

So what is your beef really? Frustration? Anger? Depression? Futility? Annoyance? Embarrassment?

As for the help you've offered - I'm sorry, I don't know why people don't want it - but it could have something to do with your communication style.

In the mean time here's a section of the presentation available on youtube.
vOhlERfiDWQ

Peace
Ang :) x

[Earth Angel]

the whole thing is available for FREE on his site already.........





I have paid for a lot of events and even offered to help out at no cost.I have even offered my help at editing videos for Project Camelot at no charge and my offer will always stand.I guess I am also doing a bluddy fricking bluddy awful job of it.


Geofffxdwg, with all the respect in the Universe, I'm not entirely sure I see the point you're trying to make. I think you're right, everyone should have free access to this information - but they don't because there is a cost and implication associated with putting the information out there in a free for all.

Putting everything else aside - and man - 'm not claiming to know what it costs to run an event of this size at this sort of location with the multiple camera live streaming jibby-jobby capabilities - but a) its in Pound Sterling and b) logically, if everyone could freely stream the presentation - could the network bandwidth cope? Probably not - because you're planning for an unknown - always tricky.

Something else to consider is there is probably also a Client-Access-License (costs money per unit) for each concurrent connection (after all multimedia companies also have licensing costs, staff to pay and infrastructure to maintain) and if there's an unknown quantity of people connecting, then there's an unknown associated cost.

And one more big thing if it were free, what would stop every troll and shill in creation descending on it, clogging it up and stuffing it up for everyone else?

Have a bit of patience, the information will filter down. It is already starting to become available for free on YouTube already and there's a whole nine hours worth.

So what is your beef really? Frustration? Anger? Depression? Futility? Annoyance? Embarrassment?

As for the help you've offered - I'm sorry, I don't know why people don't want it - but it could have something to do with your communication style.

In the mean time here's a section of the presentation available on youtube.
vOhlERfiDWQ

Peace
Ang :) x

[Melinda]

A couple of things...

On David Icke’s Costs:
I’ve come across a lot of people over the years commenting on why truth researchers don’t give more work away for free. I’ve bought information over the years in various forms, books etc, but I’ve accessed far more for free, and most of David Icke’s info is available for free for anyone interested in what he has to say. I know people with zero funds who have absorbed hours and hours of David’s info for free, both written and on video, and have done further research (without having to pay for it) to verify his information from a range of sources. For people who write, research, travel and put on events as a full time job the costs can be significantly greater than we might expect. That’s before you even get to the cost of fighting the endless legal battles that often come with the territory. It’s pretty much impossible to do that kind of work to the extent someone like Icke does and hold down another job. Having worked with people who receive income from publishing and events I can say that what the writer / presenter actually makes is not always what people assume. By the time they take their percentage of the income and deduct their costs they can often be left with just enough to invest in working on the next publication or event. That’s if they’re fortunate. The same goes for the small publishers who are trying to invest in new writers.

On David Icke’s Lecture:
2 of the most fundamental things David mentioned in his lecture were the importance of love (both in the way we live our lives and our approach those who would tear us down) and also the existence of suppressed energy technologies. The point about love is as old as our existence. The point about energy technology has been made by thousands of people on the internet and can be researched for free in far greater depth on the web, including on this forum.
Love is just one word, but to me it encompasses a great many more: compassion, consideration, decency, integrity, respect, honesty, courage, humility; the strength to be angry at what is unjust without allowing that anger to consume us so we turn on those who are not really our adversaries; the ability to feel joy and tenderness in a corrupt world, in spite of the wounds that world has inflicted on us; the ability to share that tenderness without being afraid that it will make us vulnerable and be torn from us by an outside force. It’s a daily work to explore these things and not be disillusioned by our own pain and the state of the world. I stumble over my own weaknesses. Continually. And I think anyone else who does is far from alone. This world is not easy on any of us.
There is far more to ‘free energy’ technology than the amazing work of Nikola Tesla that David Icke commented on at Wembley. As a technology, used responsibly, it can mean an end to poverty, starvation, inequality and disease for every person on this planet in ways never before seen in our recorded history. It can mean an end to the environmental destruction we’ve brought about, and clean up the devastation caused, in ways that are so revolutionary they can be hard to imagine. But it seems to me that we can only bring it about responsibly if we recognise that our real power comes in standing together; accepting the burdensome imperfections this world has saddled us with, and choosing to celebrate what we have in common - a wish to end the vast and unnecessary suffering that is being perpetuated for us by design by hidden forces. On this, as well as many other things, David Icke is right and has said it time and time again.

Thanks to the work Icke and other researchers allow to be given away for free, the forces that would keep us in ignorance are increasingly less and less hidden. But it’s up to us what we do with that information.

I feel love for people on this forum, and others like it, not because they are an embodiment of sweetness and light, but because they see something is wrong with the world and they are willing to keep engaging with the process of taking it (and their own role in it) apart, and finding the solutions together. I feel love for David Icke because he has stood up for decades in the face of (now decreasing) ridicule and vehement abuse to remind us of our ability to take our power back; to love one another and to be united in our determination to see the good we have in common, not to tear each other apart over small differences of opinion.

The question is not whether we can afford access to more and more information, but how deep we are prepared to go with the information that’s already available to us for free, even on this forum. How willing and committed are we to support each other, to forgive each other for our shortcomings, and be focused in our determination with making a better world a reality? I wish us all continued strength on this journey. There is a very bright and powerfully improved future ahead for all of us, and our descendants, if we are willing to walk in its direction, together, with our heads clear and our hearts united. When I see it taking place here, I am glad to be here.

[Limor Wolf]

Thank you Melinda for your right on target words. What an inspiration of a post!


Cheers,

Limor

[angelahedgehog]

Well Earth Angel - even better :) x

[Firinn]

the whole thing is available for FREE on his site already.........

No it's NOT. Please prove me wrong, I'd prefer if I was.

[Earth Angel]

Really? I have been on his site several times to day and it says watch it here and I click and it plays.......I did however pay to watch it on Saturday but I am not signing in with any info just watching. I wonder if it is possible that they recognize my laptop and it just plays for me?? I apologize if I have lead anyone astray, I really thought it was free already........has anyone else who did not PPV been able to watch it on his site??




the whole thing is available for FREE on his site already.........

No it's NOT. Please prove me wrong, I'd prefer if I was.


CORRECTION...

seems I was mistaken, you can view a 2 hour compiled video of the event...and yes it is still PPV, the reason it seemed free is I have already paid for it and the site automatically recognized my computer.........sorry for the misleading info!

[Kimberley]

Really? I have been on his site several times to day and it says watch it here and I click and it plays.......I did however pay to watch it on Saturday but I am not signing in with any info just watching. I wonder if it is possible that they recognize my laptop and it just plays for me?? I apologize if I have lead anyone astray, I really thought it was free already........has anyone else who did not PPV been able to watch it on his site??




the whole thing is available for FREE on his site already.........

No it's NOT. Please prove me wrong, I'd prefer if I was.

I paid also and yes it starts to play without the need to log in. I just went to my daughters computer and tried there...It is NOT free. The video plays for a few seconds and then a pop up shows up saying it is a premium video...

As I said earlier I believe it will show up eventually for no charge...and clips are starting to pop up on youtube...

Much love!

[Firinn]

Yip, same message for me Kimberly.

I tried to post a pick of the pop-up for you Earth Angel but kept getting the below error, but no matter, at least I know now why we are getting a different experience.

with love,
firinn

The following errors occurred with your submission



The text that you have entered is too long (83882 characters). Please shorten it to 50000 characters long.

[geofffxdwg]

Just to clear up your misunderstanding.I have helped hundreds of people all of them very grateful.I never said people have turned down my help as you have insinuated.I see many people here trying to twist my words around.Thank you for the video info.My communication skills must be bad only on this site when people twist my words around to try and make it look like I said something entirely different.The only trolls and shills I have encountered is right here.If you don't know what me beef is I'm sorry its my poor communication skills.Here are a few comments on my poor communication skills.................................................TorenMichaels: I love your work probably, more so, do to the fact that I'm a media psychologist / analist.Who am I kidding... your work is phenomenal...
and your messages are monumental.TorenMichaels: You're way too modest, Geoff.

You have amazing insight and you're such a valuable asset
to anyone you come into contact with. I'll do you a favor,
with your permission of course. My father works as an
executive director for CBS, and I have other acquaintances
that I feel would love these works as much as I do.

I study the effects of media, that media plays on our society - masses.
I get into propaganda works, more so, because it serves as
a passion of mine. Not generated, however, by my line of work.
I do, at times, serve as a consultant. There are things
that we can't print or view for a multitude of various reasons -
the effects of which could do more harm than good. So,
from a psychological standpoint, we refrain from these various platforms and come
to determine what the public truly needs to know and what would
generate mass hysteria, induce widespread panic, or public lynchings.

All of which, aren't funny.

And if you are talking about the last videos you shared -
once again... you're being to modest!
But I will pass you along. Keep in mind that you are incredible and that,
Youtube does serve as an amazing platform for getting these works out,
and it is just a matter of time before you are involved in creating things
for documentaries; SUN; PBS; HISTORY CHANNEL; NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC.

These lay in the cards for you, my friend.
Jul 6, 2011 at 11:26 am
Zunibluesky said:
Hmmmmmmmmmm.........

First thing I would do, which I am sure you already have...it to do a search for Toren Michaels. If he is a media Psychologist it seems like he would be able to spell 'analyst' properly...(just a flag to me) Unless he is attempting to mess with your head, & I really see no reason why a "Media Psychologist" would waste time screwing around with you online. (I do believe your work is as good as anything else out there I have seen...and having worked in the media myself for many years, I can spot NLP and Sublim crap immediately) Sure, you do a bit of programming whenever you do a video...that is a given. You do reach out and touch people & give them space to formulate ideas...I don't really see you forcing your 'ideas & concepts' on the unsuspecting public. Anyway, I would do all you can to find out more about this person...& what their 'real' interest is.
Keep doing what you do....just don't let yourself get hot air blown up yer bum! Hahaha sorry you know what I mean.
Zuni
Jul 10, 10:26pm
invisibleman
You're a very lucky man. Most people have no idea why they were put on this earth. They just "live" their life. But you, you're different. You're a very lucky man. Believe it or not you have and are having a direct effect on people's lives. (In a positive way.) Listen man...this is your legacy.
Jul 2, 9:46pm ............................Rated by giabella on Jan 27, 1:53pm
I admire everything Geofffxdwg creates first because he creates it and is he intelligent and talented. The thing that I admire the most and think it is a gift is that he sees things differently .I believe all the great thinkers writers,artists see things differently and they pull you in and then you can SEE. That is talent at its greatest! Kelly................................. Zunibluesky said:
I can tell you that you are a Video Artist.
You have a Talent & you enjoy your creations. You make your Art so that it effects people....in some ways it is Video Art Therapy...firstly for yourself, and what you do automatically touches others in ways they need.
It is a synchronicity & most times in most ways it assists people who watch your videos to begin to inner dialogue & come to some ahas or enlightening. It helps others to be able and to want to go within for answers.
How very satisfying the feeling that has been sparked by another's video or painting or book...that leads or compels the 'experiencer' to go within to seek their own Truth,
In that way, there can be no false worship, or having the public point to you as their Master or Teacher.
You show them the way within, & then it is up to them to go find their Truth. I believe it is such a good way to help others wake up. No forcing, No blinding them with BS, no setting yourself up as an authority, just a clear way that helps them to find what they need for themselves. How you are able to do this is simply that you are also doing it to get insight & answers/directions for yourself. That is what makes your Video Artistry appealing. I'm not going to beat this to death but I have hundreds of comments like these from people all over the world.None of which seem to have a problem with my communication skills.

[geofffxdwg]

Truth should be free

[DeDukshyn]

Truth should be free

Wait a week then get it one youtube or torrent and quit complaining about nothing.

Your contributions to planet earth I'm sure are not even perceivable next to David's. How's that cedar tree in your eye? Easy to cast judgement on others - and while you do, you only reveal about yourself.

Have you seen how many of David Icke's books are available for free in PDF form?

There are 6 free David Icke books here: http://exopoliticshongkong.com/Free_On-line_books.html

Might as well whine and be miserable about it now while you can because soon that presentation will be available for free and you'll have to stop or look extra foolish. ;)

-------------------------

Ever notice how people will create complaints about nothing to fulfill a pre-determined "belief"? Happens every single day all the time -- watch for it and be amazed how well and how often people do this rather than use logic and reason and creativity.

[Tane Mahuta]

Hey peeps, this has just come in(I think). Just be patient...

I'll all come out in the end

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWRJFOWuANs

TM

[Referee]

Wow just finished up..... FANTASTIC

Learned several new things well worth the time IMHO.

EXOMATRIXTV posted it for free.

[ThePythonicCow]

Geofffxdwg - it seems that your frustrations are not well focused today. You were starting to rip into David Icke, and when another forum member objected to that, you started ripping into the other member.

I am deleting a couple posts that were just above this post. We ask that forum members treat each other with a modicum of respect. Thank-you.

[DeDukshyn]

While it wasn't putting out Geofffxdwg's fire, I thought I had some good stuff in that last post ... ;)

[ThePythonicCow]

While it wasn't putting out Geofffxdwg's fire, I thought I had some good stuff in that last post ... ;)

Let me know if you want me to sent you a copy of it via PM, so you can repost the good stuff.

[DeDukshyn]

While it wasn't putting out Geofffxdwg's fire, I thought I had some good stuff in that last post ... ;)

Let me know if you want me to sent you a copy of it via PM, so you can repost the good stuff.

Nah, don't bother. I'll use a less personal example to get that point across some other time. There's likely a better method / time / example to use. But thanks anyway, the fact that it is now being available for free should calm the PPV storm.

[Black Panther]

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The video in your first post, John, has been deleted now so I don't know
where you guys are talking about. I don't know if it is clear for everyone the
above video is the 'Human Race Get Off Your Knees' presentation so
not the Wembley one. Nice to see those reactions at the beginning, though!

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Disgraceful proposals for gay men to raise children, which I DO NOT SUBSCRIBE to. .

You are of course entitled to your (small minded) opinions but I am also entitled to be incredibly offended by such remarks.
I must say I feel sorry for people like you with such narrow minded views here in 2012 and am surprised to see such homophopbia here on Avalan. Shocking.
Can you explain to me in depth your reasoning behind this view or is it an illogical fear you have? Thanks in advance.
My friends who are a gay couple who are raising a child will follow this thread with interest.

Nothing to say snoweagle?

Still waiting..... You dont get off the hook that easily for such a homophopic comment. Explain yourself.

[ThePythonicCow]

Still waiting..... You dont get off the hook that easily for such a homophopic comment. Explain yourself.
We don't get to demand that others explain their views, EYES WIDE OPEN.

Also, we're dealing with some hot button issues here. Inflammatory rhetoric risks burning down our own neighborhood, to spite the absentee landlord.

[Kiforall]

Indeed David Icke has been warning the world of paedophilia and so have thousands of others who are also ignored by mainstream media.
Paedophilia is key to personal entrapment.
Paedophilia has been promoted through Freemasonry via Khazarian Talmudic teachings hence the prominence of same-sex marriages, lack of serious inquiry to child abuse and of course lack of MSM broadcasting.

Regardless of the reaction surrounding Saville, the practice continues today with Governments world wide being lobbied to accept same-sex relationships as "normal". Disgraceful proposals for gay men to raise children, which I DO NOT SUBSCRIBE to. This cultural change being globally promoted supports the programme of Agenda 21 and the depopulation "weirdos". Young people are being encouraged to experiment with sex from a pre pubescent age and it is destroying the innocence of childhood and will create relationships fraught with disassociation and care. The whole family unit is being torn apart "for the greater good" when in fact it decimates the individual seperated from kindred spirits.

Sadly, paedophiles swarm like seagulls over a shoals of fish preying on those who stray or seperated from the safety of the group.

WE need to collectively stand against this. To do so we must stand against the United Nations and its Khazarian Zionist backers.

Jimmy Saville is dead. Dead men don't talk. We need to tackile the BASTARDS who are still alive and performing their ritual abuse TODAY?

Check out the UK Column and Brian Garrish RN Commander retired who is fighting as best he can to raise the awareness here in the UK.

Everything is being pushed as far from natural as possible.
'The way nature intended it' has long been thrown out of the window.

Hormone poisoning helps to bring the age of puberty ever younger. It also screws a lot of peoples sexuality up.
Society has provided plenty of disjointed families bringing up disjointed children.

IMO Nature did not intend same sex relationships. Where is the sense in it?
I would be asking if gay men had been brought up as children in a loving and secure environment would they still be gay?

I do believe some people are born with their 'bits and pieces' mixed up and this is a birth defect, they should be able to decide which way to go.

But being gay must be more to do with the accumilation of negative experiences past lives and present than an evolement of a species. They cannot breed, it can't be natural selection.

But there's my own answer, they are unnatural selection.

Another manipulation of society to take us as far away from what nature/God intended.

Zoe x

[Hervé]

There also is the repeat cycle of the abused becoming an abuser... ad infinitum:


[...]

From Sue Arrigo:


I want to mention one other way in which I learned about the Finder’s Experiment. The name Finders comes from a CIA slang word that was popular about the time this experiment started.

It was F***ed Into Not Denying (FIND). A boss at the CIA would tell an employee “Go find out who did this”.

It was like a game of musical chairs. Everyone would deny that they did it until finally somebody was the scapegoat and was f***ed into not being able to deny it.

So the Finders acronym was a warning to people in the CIA to be careful and not get made into a fall guy for this whole Project by letting a word out about it. A person leaking such stuff usually got blamed for the stuff itself—as people outside the agency couldn’t tell who was above whom and where the buck stopped.

The first time I heard about the Finders Group was at a party. Some kids were brought in to a fancy DC estate dressed up almost in Halloween type costumes-clowns, witches, ghosts, etc. But the costumes had big buttons on back panels over the bottom so that the kids could easily have their private parts exposed. The kids were trick or treat age. But it was not fall.

There were about 15 of these kids brought into an upscale party of people in tuxes. I arrived on the arm of the DCI Colby. Men started messing with these kids sexually, putting them on their laps with their panels unbuttoned. They did not even go into a separate room to do it. I felt uncomfortable with that - it reminded me of my own abuse as a child—and I went out on the front steps to look at the night sky and imagine being on some other planet for awhile.

Colby came out and asked me if I wanted to go home—that meant back to his bed. I just couldn’t get away from this issue. I got a little mad at him and asked him who brought the kids, as if I didn’t know as a remote viewer. He was defensive and then admitted that they were part of a CIA experiment and this was their “coming out” test—their graduation test to see if they could seduce DC politicians (to stay alive).

Those who flunked the test were liquidated. I had been in that system all my life—be useful sexually or die. I was not amused. Colby went into the technical details of the experiment and a “Wasn’t it a good idea?’ type of pitch to me.

[...]

Georgetown University should be called CIA U. The mental research facility is not on the main campus near the regular college students. It is on a separate piece of land that makes it harder to run away from. The name of it is not Georgetown, but it is part of Georgetown University.

Some people at the CIA have complained that attention deficit disorder is associated with the fluoridation of water and that the CIA refused to release the data on it in order to keep getting so many almost normal kids delivered to the door of their mind control clinics around North America.

They also complain that the CIA knows the treatment for attention deficit disorder, a drug to chelate the fluoride and expel it from the body and refuses to publish that data as well.

It is true that there are a number of books on the subject for internal consumption at the CIA. An ordinary epidemiologist could look at the issue and find out if those rumors within the CIA are true.

The reason everything was limited to two weeks was that was the length of time that the in-hospital psychiatric hospitalization could maximally be extended to, to run basically healthy kids “through testing of their condition”. The CIA developed a bunch of bogus tests to run on ADD kids to justify their two-week hospitalization like “withdrawing them from sugar, food dyes, etc.”

When this University facility’s history in mind control comes to the public’s attention, it will be a little hairy. Hundreds, no thousands, of parents will suddenly want to know if their child, grown or otherwise, was a mind control subject or in the control group. I will mention in passing three fairly reliable methods of knowing that.

That information comes from CIA reports about what to do to confuse parents if they get to another therapist later, ie what disinformation to give them to prevent them from uncovering that the kid was mind controlled.

That first piece of disinformation is -- "No one can tell if a person is a mind control victim—certainly not regular family and neighbors, only a qualified therapist could know and since they can’t tell no one can."

That is given because the CIA found out that 56% of the children were discovered to have been uncovered by relatives and family members as "robotic" or "messed up in their minds" or "with inexplicable behaviors that came from outside of themselves."

Teachers were particularly good at distinguishing control kids from experimental kids, and a number of teachers near that facility were killed by the CIA—on the order of a dozen in a decade.

The second piece of disinformation that the CIA primed therapists around the world have dispended is that it is "normal" for kids to act out in their teenage years by cross-dressing. It turned out that just the opposite is true of normal teenagers. They want to define their sexual identity and not cross dress.

Teenagers are the most intolerant to cross dressing per CIA research. Unless of course, they are mind control subjects and have been trained to sexually please chicken hawks by boys dressing as girls. There is no market for girls dressed as boys so the cross dressing only goes in one direction.

Surprisingly, the CIA research showed that homosexual boys rarely cross dressed on their own at that age - unless they had been used by porn filmmakers, chicken hawks and mind controllers. So the presence of cross-dressing in a teenage boy is highly predictive that he is a mind control or abuse victim.

The third piece of disinformation that the CIA fed therapists in journals to fool them and the parents is a bit subtler. The disinformation said "There is no normal age at which children should be told about sex. Sex education can occur at any age — it is up to the parents to decide. And sex education may be bad for kids so maybe we shouldn’t have it in our schools..."

The CIA spent a lot of money to convince parents, churches, and schools not to have real sex education classes. The reason was that when kids were allowed to freely talk in a group about their sexual experiences or fantasies or theories of sex, the kids themselves could see that some of them had very different levels of exposure to and sophistication in these matters.

So if sex education had to be taught the CIA wanted canned talks in which the kids were not allowed to talk. It thus trained sex educators to control the amount kids could talk and tried to make it taboo for the kids to talk to each other afterwards.

The CIA also found out that there was a best age for sex education –about the start of puberty. So then they fostered some campaigns to force the education to be earlier. The reason for that was that some young child whose native curiosity would not lead to sophisticated knowledge of sexual action, were coming out with it in front of parents and therapists.

It was better for the CIA if they could say that the kid learned it in a sex education class than from CIA prostitution of them. So although it sounds contradictory, the CIA’s bottom line on sex education disinformation was—don’t have sex education classes, but if you must have them have them very early and don’t let kids talk at them. Make it a more taboo subject by the way you skirt it or only allow it to be taught in a very short segment and never referred to again.

The CIA sponsored conferences for sex educators under a front company call “First Dating Experiences” if I remember correctly. Or maybe just “First Experiences”. When the abstinence only people objected the name of the front company was called something like “Wait for Marriage, Inc."

It was the same front. The same staff, address etc. The CIA also pushes abstinence and marital fidelity fronts while not practicing these things themselves. It does that to increase the effectiveness of its blackmail ops.

Sexual blackmail only works when the society is condemning towards others. It is not the abstinence of fidelity that the CIA is after, it is the condemning of others it is after.

Condemning is a form of hate and the CIA provokes hate and condemning as a way of controlling others. It is a mind control technique that can then be used to get people to fight wars etc against their best interests.

The CIA is looking for “handles” into a person’s psyche—an emotional issue that drives a person to act. Then it exploits it. It also creates handles by funding songs and lyrics into existence. That is another whole level of mind control directed at a population instead of individuals.

I have gotten off track some here. This is useful information but not staying focused on the main topic.

[tests to run on ADD kids to justify their two-week hospitalization] It was a total scam. They just needed something so difficult that parents couldn’t easily do at home to con the parent into letting Johnny stay at the hospital. They withdrew the food alright. They barely fed the kids at all. They fed them out of boxes, pre-packaged potato chips like Pringles and called that a sugar free diet. The last day the parents would come to pick the kid up and the interaction was observed carefully to see how well the kid could lie about his stay and what he had eaten in the hospital.

It was a complete fantasy. The kid had been down in the basement without a bed, clothes, or single hot meal. The kids that passed had incredible abilities to make believe. So good that they even believed it. They were multiples just like me. They had gone through an hour’s hypnosis at the end of that torture and with the help of the hypnotist had imagined all that had happened to them in that two-week period of time.

The parents were told that they couldn’t see the kids because the kids needed to learn a new way to relate to them to help their ADD, and that had to be learned well before they saw them again.

The parents wanted a break from their ADD kids for 2 weeks so it worked. And the kids did relate to their parents differently after two weeks of hard torture without a hot meal. Meanwhile, some say the CIA did actually give them the fluoride chelating drug—a pill once a day so that the ADD was better. The program was popular with parents.

The University facility touted its benefits. Researchers forged results to show how effective it was and others studied how to torture the kids and split their minds more reliably.

Not all kids split well enough to pretend, or keep up the pretense. These are the ones people know of as the Finder kids. They were taken away from their parents. They were not able to find pushers in their communities, so they were sent to be sex slaves and drug mules where they didn’t have to perform at as high a level.

If they couldn’t even do that, they were killed. They were not one-use kids for the sexual/torture use of the Ultra-rich, they were already used goods. The kids that Bush Sr. was expending were kids that came to that facility that were selected to be held in reserve for his use and his use only. Their parents had applied for their son’s hospitalization but the “application had been held up.”

Bush, Sr. had a certain look of boy he liked, like the youngest boy “Eager to Beaver” in the Brady House Boys (?). They looked like he looked when he was a boy before “it happened to him” at age 6. He kept on sodomizing kids like his dad sodomized him. His father kept it up much longer than others can imagine. He kept it up until he was close to death. Some things run in families.

Would you want to see your dad if that continued to be what you had to submit to? Dark and ugly secrets that even the principals might not know—what with multiplicity being what it is. Bush, Sr. — does he even know that he goes to that base and why? I leave it to your remote viewing skills and imagination to decide.

I was not at the CIA because of my ability to imagine what loose ends there were. I was there to know what loose ends there were and failing to know could cost me my life and more than that.

The actual results were that the CIA training was not adequate in amount or quality to do anything to train a kid in pushing. So the experiment was not a test of that at all. The experiment was a cover story for how to get the kids into one’s hands.

[...]

[Hervé]

What are these split personality chidren used for?

The ultimate trap and black mail of anyone susceptible of influence in any sphere of activities while being "honored" with being invited to posh parties whether in DC or Buckingham:



[...]

The Secret Transformation of Our Elected Officials and What It Means for The American Republic

by Preston James

This transformation of most of our elected officials once they are seated inside the beltway (DC) is perhaps the greatest mystery of our modern political system.

[...]
Why do so many Congressmen and Congresswomen, and Senators seem to be quickly turned after they are elected and seated, so easily abandoning their Oaths to the US Constitution and passing so many laws which themselves are completely unConstitutional and against everything the Republic stands for? What happens to these folks after they go to work inside the Beltway? Is this transformation strictly a product of peer pressure from other senior legislators who control powerful positions in the Senate and House, or is it based on yielding to the particular social pressures of the political party they belong to?

[...]


The answer is very simple and almost as old as that oldest profession...


[...]


As I said before, Skull and Bones, the Rockefeller Family and the Illuminati in general worship death and believe that the gods they worship are pleased by it. They believe that their gods grant them favors, such as wealth, in proportion to how well they provide fear, anger, and ritual human sacrifices for them to feed off of. This is standard Aztec human sacrifice kind of magical thinking. Never mind that the Aztecs, the Druids, and Incans, that practiced such human sacrifices were ultimately unsuccessful as societies. They still appealed to the Pirates of Skull and Bones and the pseudo-mystical Illuminati. These people are not scientists. They do not have the patience for. They just want to rape and plunder populations without having to think too much about it.

[...]

That is how well the sculptor accomplished David Rockefeller’s wish to be immortalized as a Christ like figure while planning genocide to kill off 5.5 billion people!
(from: "case 26: Your sickness and Genocide Planned in the USA" by whistleblower Sue Ann Arrigo (http://avalonlibrary.net/Sue_Arrigo/))




The followings are excerpted from Sue Arrigo's case 20 (http://avalonlibrary.net/Sue_Arrigo/):

[...]

They practice Christianity with their lips, and Satanism by their deeds. Some of them are mind controlled into amnesia by the trauma and drugs at the initial ceremony and do not even know later that they are Satanists. Others do know. I would say that about 20 percent are fully aware that what they are doing is evil and wrong and just don't know how to stop it. About 50% know what they are doing but deny that it is evil. They excuse it as their right to be pagan and uninhibited. Then about 10 percent are full multiples and are clueless in their overt personality as to what they are doing in their covert personalities. Then about another 20 percent are too lazy and apathetic to think about what they are doing. They are just doing it because others do it. (See the last section below “Protecting yourself from blackmail”, if you have fallen into one of these traps).

The CIA did find methods to make over 90% of people criminals without a discernible conscience. They started with the basic Skull and Bone’s ritual and had already made some improvements in it by the time Rodman Rockefeller tasked me to look into the issue. He was not happy with the almost 10% failure rate. Ops were run on Congressmen, CEO’s, and foreign dignitaries. Having to kill 10% of them soon after inviting them to a “DC Party” was a high security risk--- someone might notice and leak that to a part of the press which was not well controlled. So, Rodman was very anxious that the “failure rate”get below 5%.

[...]

[Hervé]

What's horrible, about the whole subject, is that most of it may comes from the thorough mind control of the population of a few planets, a few million years ago, by a bunch of psychopaths who gathered together and concocted a mind control implant which kept repeating and duplicating itself like a virus inside an unsuspecting host.

The most horrible thing of it all is that, with this scenario, both virus and host are "dramatizing" the same implant; the "virus" being the portion of the population being totally overwhelmed by such and unconscious content, ending up just being "it" and dramatizing the implanters' roles:





... tak the analogy of the evolution of "abductees" and their accounts of abductions by "little green men" or military underground laboratories... and compar it with the "[I]reactions" to a Xenu story... "It's all in your mind!" they all first said to the abductees... The latter is actually not an untruth since it is something deeply burried in these abductees unconscious mind which needs and wants to see the light of day.

As Mohandas Gandhi (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mohandas_gandhi.html) so well said it:


First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

The above being a variation of German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer's (1788 – 1860) quote:



All truth passes through three stages:

First, it is ridiculed.

Second, it is violently opposed.

Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.


Abductees are usually experiencing the percolating of visions and data from way deep in their unconscious mind up to consciousness... same with MKultra guinea pigs...

Then, what has been the consulted reception of such accounts throughout the years, especially from the so-called experts in psychiatry or psychology?

Accordingly, some abductees, sensing the wind, preferred to heal themselves from these memories by writting them down and passing the latter as Sci-Fi novels to avoid the wall of ridicule.

On another tack, where do many Sci-Fi writers get their stories? Is it from a pure imaginative creation or from long memories surfacing in their consciousnes?

Thanks to someone who believes the whole story absurd and stupid, here is one of the less adulterated versions (already re-mastered from original tapes and therefore subject to cuts and pastes) of the Xenu story (see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=529642&viewfull=1#post529642)<--):





Here [are excerpts of] the transcript of the video I was able to concoct:

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It’s going to craaaash… and then you are looking for a helicopter and go “what the hell…” it’s R6, boy, and nothing else. I don’t know, I think for about a day or two that it takes this helicopter to crash in R6.

There is no helicopter there, the guy is frozen in alcohol and glycol sitting on blocks and being given a big 3D Cecil B. DeMille special motion picture.

[...]

For this planet, and for this Confederacy of the 21 adjacent stars and its 76 planets; the Incident Two… it is a very long and [?] complex incident… all in 36 days.

[...]

After this, however, about the remainder of the 36 days, which is the bulk of it, is taken up with a 3D, super colossal motion picture which has to do with “God,” the Devil, Space Opera, etc. They go five pictures to five words and we have the full record of what it is and it goes on about 36 days

[...]

These planets averaged 178 billion human beings per planet. One hundred and seventy eight billion. There were 250 billion on this planet, the name of this planet was Teegeeak and this is known as the “bomb-place” and this is the “evil place.” This is the place [?pretty much all of it?] got smashed.

[...]

Everybody on the planet was killed and about three days afterwards is actually when the implanters started operating. They had it all rigged to operate.

[...]

What this [implant] is really designed to do is to make the individual cease and desist from creation and to knock off over-population. This is one of the big ideas they had that if they just did all this then they’ll get rid of all the overpopulation. The target of this is the Second Dynamic. So it is truly Second Dynamic suppressions. For instance, you find people who are totally obsessed with sex with children, well, that is taught in R6. Nice guys.

[...]

Now, that is peculiar and only to this planet and to this confederation. There have been other implants of various kind and sizes but this is probably one of the longest, most violent and wildest implant in this sector of the universe.

[...]

***********************************************************
Glossary:

Cecil B. DeMille (August 12, 1881 – January 21, 1959) was an American film director (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_director) and Academy Award (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award)-winning film producer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_producer) in both silent and sound films.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_B._de_Mille#cite_note-0#cite_note-0) He was renowned for the flamboyance and showmanship of his movies. Among his best-known films are [I]Cleopatra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleopatra_(1934_film)); Samson and Delilah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_and_Delilah_(1949_film)); The Greatest Show on Earth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greatest_Show_on_Earth), which won the Academy Award for Best Picture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award_for_Best_Picture); and The Ten Commandments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ten_Commandments_(1956_film)), which was his last and most successful film

2D: The Second Dynamic or the drive to survive through progeny and family as well as ensuring their survival.

ASSIST (noun)
1. a Clearing procedure used when a person has just undergone an accident, injury, operation or emotional shock or loss to erase the mental trauma and greatly speed recovery.
(1) a process which can be done to alleviate a present time discomfort and help a person recover more rapidly from an accident, illness or upset. [Kevin Brady]

DRAMATIZATION
1. an individual playing a dictated part, like an actor, going through a whole series of irrational actions.
2. a person’s actions being dictated by mental image pictures from the reactive mind.

DRAMATIZE
1. To unknowingly act out.
2. Re-create/re-enact into the current reality the conditions and unconscious content of a past trauma so as to override an otherwise natural flow of events.


IMPLANT (verb)
1. to plant firmly or deeply; embed.
2. to fix firmly in the mind; instill; inculcate.

IMPLANTER
1. one who implants.

IMPLANT GOAL
1. a purpose or intention not created by the Being but which has been induced in him by overwhelming force or persuasion.

IMPLANTING
1. the act of planting firmly or deeply; embedding.
2. the act of fixing firmly in the mind.
3. impressing into the mind, little by little, through repetition.

R6
1. a clearing process through which the R6 bank is disabled and rendered ineffective
2. short for “R6 bank” which is held together mostly by Incident I, II and II.

R6 BANK
1. a slang term designating the Reactive Mind.


(1) harmful energy or force contained in mental image pictures of experiences painful or upsetting to a person. [Kevin Brady]

The reactive mind or reactive bank otherwise known as the unconscious and wherein all unresolved past traumas and their inherent hypnotic commands, orders, behaviors, conclusions and decisions are contained and ready to be dramatized upon being triggered/restimulated into action.

See http://gathering-minds.net/fza/fz-cleardef-index (http://gathering-minds.net/fza/fz-cleardef-index) for any other terms.

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It should make it clear that all sides/aspects of any conflicts were implanted into our minds... "They gave us their minds" said Juan Maltus to Castaneda... and ever since "WE" 've been busy RE-creating -- that is, "dramatizing" -- all those figures, constructs, programs and kept ourselves and "them" entertained with them... in the very same manner that a "post-hypnotic command/order" keeps being enacted via an innocuous signal from the hypnotist. Repeat the signal and the same silly action keeps being enacted again and again by the unaware recipient as if nothing is wrong and everything is perfectly normal.

Scary? Well, yes!

[...]

[Kiforall]

As soon as Barristers are called to the Bar and become a QC Queens Counsel they seem to loose their freedom.

Zoe x

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Still waiting..... You dont get off the hook that easily for such a homophopic comment. Explain yourself.
We don't get to demand that others explain their views, EYES WIDE OPEN.



Edit - I PM you instead.

[East Sun]

David Icke is a legend in the making, one of a kind, extraordinary in many ways. I'm really glad he is spelling IT out. If not for him it might have been too late for us and generations to come, as it has been for so many in the past.

No matter what comes he has given us food for thought. Insight into possibilities we might never have dreamed of. To me he is an inspired human being, like the few that come along now and then and wake us up just when needed.
I, and many others, have been given insight that will always be beneficial to us in many ways .
My hat's off to you David.
I recently retired and you have given me a lot of inspiration at the right time and I thank you for that.

I should mention all of you here on Avalon. Thank you for being here and being part of the journey.

[Cidersomerset]

From Davids site....

Savile 'the tip of the iceberg'
Friday, 02 November 2012 13:19


http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/November2012/savile-heath-500x333.jpg


'Savile’s BBC colleague David Icke, who went from respected broadcaster to laughing stock, was at the forefront of such claims in the Nineties when he named Savile and others as paedophiles.

Icke claimed Savile supplied children from Jersey’s infamous Haut de la Garenne care home to a senior British MP. Savile denied knowing the home, the scene of a police investigation in 2008 that uncovered widespread child abuse. He lied. There is pictorial evidence of him there.'

I never met Jimmy Savile at the BBC, but I was told all about his paedophilia and necrophilia by a royal insider in the 1990s. The senior 'British MP' that is mentioned here is former Prime Minister Edward Heath (seen above with Savile). I named Heath as a paedophile, Satanist and serial child killer in The Biggest Secret in 1998 - seven years before he died.

Read more: Savile 'the tip of the iceberg'

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/74873-sex-abuse-is-a-guilty-secret

[truth4me]

Does truth change? No, our perception of what truth is changes. I've listen to a few interviews about Saturn and it's effect on us but after listening to David Icke at Wembley Arena and his talk about the Saturn-Moon matrix it really has got me thinking about what is really going on. Yes, truth is yet there are higher levels of truth. Now below is a 15 minute video with him talking about Sat/Moon matrix but the full presentation is the one to watch it lasts about one hour explaining it. The more awake I become the more I seem to remember things that I didn't know I knew.....

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[Cidersomerset]

Its summed up quite well here !

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You will not understand this unless you know about the nature of symbols and how they shape human consciousness. THIS IS THE KEY TO THE HERMETIC SCIENCES...This is from a a longer 45 minute interview where Alan Steinfeld of http;//www.NewRealities.com talks with David Icke about the true nature of reality. In this clip they make the associations of the Sabbath = Saturday = Saturn = Chronos = Time. How humans through religious worship are trapped in the matrix of time, as opposed to being awareness of our multidimensional nature.
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Heres a bonus I just found the full interview that i have not seen....

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[RUSirius]

I cant say for sure, however the shoe seems to fit IMO, the picture David paints carries alot of weight with me.

[christian]

I've made strange experiences regarding this question.

When I first heard David make that claim my rational mind said "that's outrageous," but something inside me very distinctly said "this is true," in the same way that I was given information or guided accurately before. So from experience I trust this knowing inside, or this gut-feeling, whatever you wanna call it.

But still I was aware of how outrageous those claims are. Now, when I told a friend about this concept of the moon-matrix, I was in a jolly good mood and portrayed it as if this was lunacy. Immediately, my nose started bleeding, nose-bleed out of nothing happened to me only twice in my life, the other instance was a couple of days before that incident actually, when I did something of which I knew I shouldn't have done. I felt like this was supposed to say to me, "you were given the info, you got the knowledge, you know what to say and do, so why are you behaving like an idiot?" It's like, when someone who doesn't know or couldn't do, when such a person doesn't say or do, it's something completly different than when someone doesn't do or tell, although he absolutely could – and should. That's why many people refrain from conscious self-empowerment, because they are afraid of the responsibility that comes with it.

Anyways, years later, when I got that reading from Carol Clarke, whom David recommended in his book Human Race Get Off Your Knees, she said that although I'm aware that the moon is artificial, I still like its beauty and that I have actually been there before.

So enough circumstancial evidence to make it real for me.

[Kano]

Ahh yes. This for me does not get talked about enough. By definition Saturn is a star. Therefore, I believe Saturn is a stargate from which energies from anywhere in the universe can be transmitted into or out of. The Moon, as an amplifier of these energies, considering all of its anomalies, makes a lot of sense to me.

Ever notice how much symbolism there is just for the star Saturn in our day-to-day lives? More than any other planet in our solar system.

Thanks for the thread, Truth.

[truth4me]

I cant say for sure, however the shoe seems to fit IMO, the picture David paints carries alot of weight with me. Yes, I agree. Looking back after seeing his presentation it seemed the dots started to connect with me. After watching the entire presentation the first 5 hours were really informative. The way he presented it was spot on IMO.......carry love with you at all times and the signal were ever it comes from can be broken. What I'm trying to figure out is that did we as soul beings really volunteer to be here or were we trapped some how? Another thing is if Saturn is sending out signals that effect us then are the signals effecting other planets elsewhere with the same effect? Them questions are hard to answer but I can't help but wonder......

[Maunagarjana]

IMO Nature did not intend same sex relationships.

Somebody tell that to all the gay animals. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

Talking about what is "natural" is such BS anyway. If it exists, it's natural. If it wasn't natural, it wouldn't exist. For me the important thing is whether or not there is harm involved. There is harm involved in exploiting innocent children. Where is the harm of consenting homosexual relationships? I mean, aside from the potential harm of any type of romantic relationship.

Could we please keep the topics of child molestation and homosexuality separate? Otherwise, all it does it muddy the waters.

[Hervé]

As soon as Barristers are called to the Bar and become a QC Queens Counsel they seem to loose their freedom.

Zoe x

Guess who was called to the "BAR?"


[...]

Was Mahatma Gandhi an Illuminati Pawn?
July 20, 2012
By Timothy Watson, Ph.D.
(henrymakow.com)

Left [picture available at linked site]. Gandhi in London shortly after being called to the Bar in 1891. During his period as a law student in London, he joined the Theosophical Society and may have been recruited by MI-6.

[...]

SERVANT OF EMPIRE
In the 1890's, the young Gandhi set off to London to study law. His London Diary recorded this period in his life, but all but 20 pages have mysteriously disappeared.

The surviving pages actually describe Gandhi's initiation to the Third Degree of Freemasonry in coded language, something only a Freemason scholar would notice.

The original 120-page volume would have been his Freemason diary. If the surviving 20 pages are any indication, it appears to be a record of his initiation through the various degrees of the Order.

Since he is known to have entrusted the Diary to a close family relation, the fact that it has gone missing is highly suspect. The more likely explanation is that it is being withheld from the public to conceal Gandhi's Freemason affiliations.

(left[picture available at linked site], Gandhi in the Ambulance Corps)

Gandhi later became a sergeant major in the British Army. His ambulance team joined the British in their campaign to suppress a "Kaffir" uprising in South Africa. Gandhi acted as a recruitment officer for the British Army in the Boar War, WWI and WWII and as an apologist for the British Empire in his Indian Opinion newspaper. 


[...]

[DeDukshyn]

David Icke is a legend in the making, one of a kind, extraordinary in many ways. I'm really glad he is spelling IT out. If not for him it might have been too late for us and generations to come, as it has been for so many in the past.

No matter what comes he has given us food for thought. Insight into possibilities we might never have dreamed of. To me he is an inspired human being, like the few that come along now and then and wake us up just when needed.
I, and many others, have been given insight that will always be beneficial to us in many ways .
My hat's off to you David.
I recently retired and you have given me a lot of inspiration at the right time and I thank you for that.

I should mention all of you here on Avalon. Thank you for being here and being part of the journey.

I am reminded of the quote from the opening scene of the epic game "Half-Life 2" (best fps game ever made in my honest opinion -- even to this day).

G-Man in the opening scene stated ... "The right man in the wrong place, can make all the difference, in the world ...." -- Icke is like a Gordon Freeman, in that sense.

specific scene here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRtT4HHQef0

[Kano]

What occurs to me is: How can we block the signal that perpetuates this illusion? Human Faraday Cage? Is this what psychadelics are doing to our perceptions? Is this what Shamans knew/know?

[christian]

What occurs to me is: How can we block the signal that perpetuates this illusion? Human Faraday Cage? Is this what psychadelics are doing to our perceptions? Is this what Shamans knew/know?

Now that's complex, but in essence psychedelics give you a another signal. By being on a particular trip, you are relatively more free from the version of reality you were in before, but not necessarily closer to general sobriety at all. Psychedelics can be helpful to remind you that consciousness is really a vast and diverse (no-)thing, so they might help you loosen your compulsive grip on what you considered to be real and encourage you to really go for exploring the realms of consciousness. But if you wanna free yourself from mind-control of any kind, I guess it's meditation, becoming conscious willfully, through consciousness itself, and applying knowledge into wisdom, if that makes any sense now...

[Fred Steeves]

Sure these things are all likely factors in our mental prison cell. In 3-D anyway, the consciousness of planets, and the way they are aligned, is much more powerful than our physical brains. IMHO anyway, what is happening by and large is a catalyst, to "encourage" us back towards our natural state of infinite awareness.

As always, the ball is in our court.

Cheers,
Fred

[4evrneo]

Great video's. Acutally makes sense to me. I do remember as a child thinking the moon was out of place somehow, but never understood why I had those thoughts.

Thanks truth4me,
Annette

[Cidersomerset]

Acouple of interresting moon threads i posted earlier in the year
some of you may not have seen them, interresting vids & pictures ...

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The Moon is not what you think it is - and it is not uninhabited

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47727-The-Moon-is-not-what-you-think-it-is-and-it-is-not-uninhabited



David Icke - Ancient Spaceship & The Moon....Ken Johnson Moon Anomalies..

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46457-David-Icke-Ancient-Spaceship-The-Moon....Ken-Johnson-Moon-Anomalies..&p=507507#post507507

[noprophet]

What occurs to me is: How can we block the signal that perpetuates this illusion? Human Faraday Cage? Is this what psychadelics are doing to our perceptions? Is this what Shamans knew/know?

Or has the core-life signal already been modified/blocked and these methods are to get back to the original signal?

Man saturn sure has a lot of moons and even a few with counter-orbits...

I won't talk much about this because I think it makes me look crazy but, if you're interested, youtube "el saturn research" and if you're pretty good with symbols, "theYOUsendME".

[Cidersomerset]

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[Kano]

What occurs to me is: How can we block the signal that perpetuates this illusion? Human Faraday Cage? Is this what psychadelics are doing to our perceptions? Is this what Shamans knew/know?

Or has the core-life signal already been modified/blocked and these methods are to get back to the original signal?

Man saturn sure has a lot of moons and even a few with counter-orbits...

I won't talk much about this because I think it makes me look crazy but, if you're interested, youtube "el saturn research" and if you're pretty good with symbols, "theYOUsendME".

Interesting thought.

To your point about the moons...Iapetus. Lots of high strangeness going on there.

Yes, El is an interesting one to research. That's also a piece of this puzzle that permeates our culture and goes largely unnoticed as well. For example, think about all of the Arc angels of the Bible, Gabri-El, Uri-El, Micha-El, etc. Of course we have Isra-El. It goes on and on. You can also look at "Occultscience101" on youtube. He has some interesting perspectives. He also believes that the time-space construct that binds us is generated by Saturn which he calls a massive gyroscope.

I doubt if anyone will think you are crazy. Would like for you to share what you have learned about Saturn or El.

[Cidersomerset]

Remember this....

Bob Dean Mining Saturns Rings courtesy of Project Camelot!.wmv

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Theres more pictures on the whole presentation....

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http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_exopol/dean03_03.jpg

Some of the Photos from the presentation on link..

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/exopolitics_dean03.htm

[Wind]

Once again I learn something new. I have thought for a while now that the Moon is an artificial object and this just confirms it.

[Carmody]

Remember that Credo Mutwa spoke of the children not being able to see the UFO's and such in the skies anymore, AFTER they had the vaccines forced upon them.

Then think of Fluoride in the water and the pineal.

Understand that natural levels of inactive philosopher's stone are in the earth's trace minerals, and highly concentrated in salt beds. (salt lake city,and then....Israel -The Dead Sea)

The entire thread that this linked post is in..is SPECIFICALLY about the question that this thread here, this one right now..is concerning itself about. (Tremendous overlap)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17872-The-Question-of-Lithium--Alchemy-dimensions-shapeshifters-aliens-existence-reality..-&p=577224&viewfull=1#post577224


Both the the answers you seek and many questions and answers yet unasked ---are in that thread.

YOU..are a chemical engine. YOU are a quantum level chemical engine. YOU complete the cycles of quantum creation of trace levels of philosopher's stone creation and activation, IN your body, FROM the trace minerals consumed.... IF you eat naturally made and grown foods, in PROPER natural ways.

IF... you consume the wrong materials, you shut your own growth and potential -OFF.


The linked thread covers many things in this area of understanding.

[truth4me]

I'm buying what David Icke is selling on the Saturn/Moon matrix. Two questions in which one has been ask. How to stop or protect ourselves from the signal and the second one is who on Saturn is behind the whole sending out the signal stuff and what is their true agenda? The answers can be found here on planet earth but finding the answers is the hard part.......

[angelahedgehog]

I'm buying what David Icke is selling on the Saturn/Moon matrix. Two questions in which one has been ask. How to stop or protect ourselves from the signal and the second one is who on Saturn is behind the whole sending out the signal stuff and what is their true agenda? The answers can be found here on planet earth but finding the answers is the hard part.......

I think trying to stop or prevent the signal is not the way out ... The way to either negate it or shift it is to operate in the higher frequencies of love, empathy and consciousness. I think the moon and Saturn are just devices - granted they're big, orb-shaped devices .... But they're being 'driven' by the lowest frequency beings who are hogging the wheel and the road - through symbols and consciousness. If the love beings remove themselves from the system I think it will only get worse for everyone.

I think we need to find effective ways to drive / steer the system to a more benevolent, nourishing place - for one through the power of intention, focus, changing symbols, refusing to buy from companies trading with the horns etc. please more ideas - remember the ice-crystal given the words for love vs the ones given for hate.

When you're aware that this is all just a reflection of reality, that you are observing, it's easier to detach from the lower frequency emotions of fear, ego, hate etc. But I doubt that the system can be dismantled from within the 3D because it seems to sit outside of it - much like you cannot demolish a house while you're still living in it.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Just saw the first video. David is not far off the truth however his presentation that we are in a prison is not accurate.

We are in a construct yes. We are at a learning school with a controlled atmosphere. Yes the sky is a projection however within the matrix you are allowed to escape it through the gaining of knowledge and wisdom. So perhaps he is presenting it this way because i know how desperately David wants us to wake up. This is a good angle to get this reaction.

Bless him


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[Star Tsar]

To my mind the situation we are in is insurmountable...

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[Bo Atkinson]

Thanks everyone for your comments and links.

No doubt uplifting creativity is a protective key for creatives.

Nevertheless, we must have chosen to dive into this deep end of reality here within the earth's reality....

I was gratefully surprised to find George Kavassilas also describes and diagrams the saturn and moon complex as sort of a matrix-generator, in his new book:
Our Universal Journey - The Big Picture .

http://harmoniouspalette.com/KavassilasVid.jpg

http://www.our-journey-home.com
More audio and video of his vision are on his site.

I expect much of all this stuff is vision materialized, for those with intent to see such constructs. For those holding on to such reality--constraints. We can, however, focus on optional realities... If we build up our own reality, (or realities), why not?

The vast majority need not be 'visionaries'-- The visionary talent is not required, but visions can be collected and worn as glasses. May we resonate them for cultural awakening.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

When David speaks about the blocking frequency his energy signature changed momentarily. the energetic signature stated he is not actually sure what that energy is designed to do.

I can confirm there is a deliberate energy being regulated and eminated from the moon base. But its machination and purpose is not whats being stated in the video. Lets put it this way, if it wasnt there most of the people on this planet would be in instant katatonis shock, not to mention find it hard to breathe without a regulating generator.

The pics of saturnia and its rings are accurate. The ships are huge and house millions of inhabitants. These ships are working cities:-)with specific orders and functions.

The rings do need to be facilitated by sonic manipulation and the ships supply a sort of banding frequency to hold the desired configuration of rocks and minerals within the rings. The rings are emination amplifiers of great power. This technology is completely mind blowing even just to consider its most basic of functions. Absolutely wonderful stuff! Very very exciting :-)

Big fan of Davids work and a lot of what he says is quite accurate.

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[Cidersomerset]

Camillo posted this on another thread, I found it very uplifting and ties into other material
I am comming across at the momment !!


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[Nanoo Nanoo]

I was looking at the whole interview with David and he is so close on so many things he discusses. He has a very perceptive view on how things work but there are some intrinsic values and facts that are not entirely accurate and seem to be opinion as opposed to something confirmed.

Firstly to blanket aliens as reptiles is a little juvenile for someone with such a good mind. Perhaps he is doing that because its whats " trendy " and most encapsulating however this is a lot simpler than whats going on. In terms of species, most alien species have evolved to the most adaptive form of a hybrind reptile frame. This is an extremely efficient and talented form. So its no wonder highly evolved beings have these traits but we do share this dna as well so we too are a mish mash of reptile parts.

I have to disagree that the " reptilians " feed on fear energy. This is an ego based reaction and this ties into emotives and emotive energetics which i have to say these species are devoid of pretty much. I can entertain that some may wish the experience in order to see what it feels like but i cant fathom such technologically advanced beings craving this. Id say more acurately human factions feed on fear energy and constructs are created to facilitate these energies.

I agree totally with David in that the moon is a very important part of whats going on down here. Its emination is governing a lot of whats happening here.

Reptiles wanting control? Silly question, if they wanted it they press a button and its done. No need for this slow romance of cohersion. Control is from humanoid groups. Control f money, power, status, ego based desires are humanoid.

The alien agenda is way more complex and perhaps a lot less clandestine than we are led to believe.

Poignant question. If the aliens or reptilians are in league with the governments to create such fear then why are the governments painting them as the enemy? Hollywood propoganda has for 20 years depicted aliens as bad guys. My pineapple is on the government factions being opposed by alien factions and there is a very strong movement to sway our opinion of them. Or is that too obvious a double blind?

Hmmm

Excellent thread.


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[angelahedgehog]

If Saturn is the transmitter and the Moon is the amplifier .... is the planet sentient? Inhabited?
How do the other planets fit in?
What function does our Sun fulfill?

I am still forming questions and really enjoying reading what everyone else has had to say.
Already I am seeing a lot of things very differently. I already knew about symbols and how they're imbued / imprinted with meaning, but never really considered that they are like triggers for transmitting some sort of emotional response - it makes everything else I accepted intuitively, make some sort of technical sense.

While I hadn't really thought about it beyond the astrological concept of "Saturn Returns" which can be equated to a kind of life crisis that occurs between the ages of 28-32 ... I hadn't stopped to consider why.

I guess the first thing I'm grappling with is trying to get a mental fix on what Saturn looks like, how big it is ... and undoubtably Saturn is big! Hugely, mind-bogglingly big!

So while I'm digesting and finding new sources of info, these are some of the sections from the wiki article that stood out ... I probably missed out some stuff that I didn't really know to look for so if you can improve - please do.

Saturn summary according to wiki...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn

Saturn is the sixth planet from the Sun and the second largest planet in the Solar System, after Jupiter. Named after the Roman god Saturn, its astronomical symbol (♄) represents the god's sickle. Saturn is a gas giant with an average radius about nine times that of Earth.[12][13] While only one-eighth the average density of Earth, with its larger volume Saturn is just over 95 times as massive as Earth.[14][15][16]

Saturn has a prominent ring system that consists of nine continuous main rings and three discontinuous arcs, composed mostly of ice particles with a smaller amount of rocky debris and dust. Sixty-two[20] known moons orbit the planet; fifty-three are officially named. This does not include the hundreds of "moonlets" within the rings. Titan, Saturn's largest and the Solar System's second largest moon, is larger than the planet Mercury and is the only moon in the Solar System to retain a substantial atmosphere.[21]

Saturn is classified as a gas giant planet because the exterior is predominantly composed of gas and it lacks a definite surface, although it may have a solid core.

Together, Jupiter and Saturn hold 92% of the total planetary mass in the Solar System.

Saturn's atmosphere exhibits a banded pattern similar to Jupiter's.

A persisting hexagonal wave pattern around the north polar vortex in the atmosphere at about 78°N was first noted in the Voyager images.

Some of the moons of Saturn, including Pan and Prometheus, act as shepherd moons to confine the rings and prevent them from spreading out.[76] Pan and Atlas cause weak, linear density waves in Saturn's rings that have yielded more reliable calculations of their masses.

Saturn has at least 62 moons, 53 of which have formal names.[78] Titan, the largest, comprises more than 90% of the mass in orbit around Saturn, including the rings.[79] Saturn's second largest moon, Rhea, may have a tenuous ring system of its own,[80] along with a tenuous atmosphere.[81][82][83][84] Many of the other moons are very small: 34 are less than 10 km in diameter and another 14 less than 50 km.[85] Traditionally, most of Saturn's moons have been named after Titans of Greek mythology. Titan is the only satellite in the Solar System with a major atmosphere[86][87] in which a complex organic chemistry occurs. It is the only satellite with hydrocarbon lakes.

Ptolemy, a Greek living in Alexandria,[102] observed an opposition of Saturn, which was the basis for his determination of the elements of its orbit.[103] In Hindu astrology, there are nine astrological objects, known as Navagrahas. Saturn, one of them, is known as "Shani", judges everyone based on the good and bad deeds performed in life.[99] Ancient Chinese and Japanese culture designated the planet Saturn as the earth star.

In ancient Hebrew, Saturn is called 'Shabbathai'.[105] Its angel is Cassiel. Its intelligence or beneficial spirit is Agiel (layga) and its spirit (darker aspect) is Zazel (lzaz). In Ottoman Turkish, Urdu and Malay, its name is 'Zuhal', derived from Arabic زحل

[Wind]

I've heard that many planets are inhabited, but not in this level of consciousness. Some of those entities are serving the light and some are not. Moon is said to be inhabited by the dark forces, but it is hard to say that what is really true. If there are any really good astral travellers or remote viewers here (Jake?) then perhaps they could enlighten us. :)

[Amysenthia]

NO one seems to be talking about the latest reporting of something seen coming our way from saturn's direction. I am going to look for the news clip that I heard recently about this. It made me think of the PC interview with Norm.

Also don't forget this interview from Project Camelot:

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[Amysenthia]

I was looking at the whole interview with David and he is so close on so many things he discusses. He has a very perceptive view on how things work but there are some intrinsic values and facts that are not entirely accurate and seem to be opinion as opposed to something confirmed.

Firstly to blanket aliens as reptiles is a little juvenile for someone with such a good mind. Perhaps he is doing that because its whats " trendy " and most encapsulating however this is a lot simpler than whats going on. In terms of species, most alien species have evolved to the most adaptive form of a hybrind reptile frame.
I have to disagree that the " reptilians " feed on fear energy. This is an ego based reaction and this ties into emotives and emotive energetics which i have to say these species are devoid of pretty much.
I agree totally with David in that the moon is a very important part of whats going on down here. Its emination is governing a lot of whats happening here.

Reptiles wanting control? Silly question, if they wanted it they press a button and its done. No need for this slow romance of cohersion. Control is from humanoid groups. Control f money, power, status, ego based desires are humanoid.

The alien agenda is way more complex and perhaps a lot less clandestine than we are led to believe.

Poignant question. If the aliens or reptilians are in league with the governments to create such fear then why are the governments painting them as the enemy? Hollywood propoganda has for 20 years depicted aliens as bad guys. My pineapple is on the government factions being opposed by alien factions and there is a very strong movement to sway our opinion of them. Or is that too obvious a double blind?

Hmmm

Excellent thread.


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Nanoo, Nanoo

I can't help but think of the material from Duncan O'Finian and Amanda Kelly about the woman named Sarah Stanga. She lived a trauma based, government backed mind control existence of a life that involved Satanic mind controlled rituals that were backed on the deepest levels of the Reptilian Bloodline Illuminati connected beings. Those are the beings discussed by David Icke. He talks about how they feed of human blood that is as adrenaline pumped as possible, (fear produces adrenaline), and preferably from a young human child of blue eyes/blonde haired. They prefer those children that are unvaccinated, pre-adolesant (less hormones), so more pure of human exposure as possible. So often these children are grown or stolen to be used in the most profane satanic rituals which Sarah was forced to be a part of, so that they can be the ultimate sacrifice and meal for the these Reptilian contollers, backed by our governments.

If it has been a while since you watched Sarah Stanga’s interview or never have watched it, this addresses in a real life experience what David Icke teaches on the deepest of levels. Plus proves that what he speaks of does actually happen.


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[RUSirius]

It can be quite frustrating from someone like myselfs perspective. All I do is hear, hear, hear this stuff about planets, aliens, reptilians you name it, the whole gammit. Although much I believe sounds possible/probable. I have no proof, my only proof of anything is what goes on in my "boring" day to day, while I hear such fascinating things.
Jeff

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Amysenthia

I agree this does go on however this is the result of a failed mutation which has led to an imbalanced group of beings which have reptilian lineage but are far from reptilian culture.

They are mostly human just like me. The difernce is some of them have rather saddistic tendancies whch is frought through all humans. Just look at why some humans are put in jail. These are crimes being perpetrated by all blood lines and all walks of life. We are a pretty dynamic mutation of a genetic splicing between ape and alien.

Within these aincient blood lines there are very decent honest people as well who detest these horrible things that go on. So its too easy to lump all that group and these guys into a, hey thats them, scenario.

So i agree with you its going on, there is no denying that but Who ar they really? I think the reptilian snake oil propoganda is working quite well. It seems everybody is convinced of these things without any actual facts. If we trace this back we find its probably someone just saying it one day and it took on as now its turned into a belief culture with very little factual merit.

And preemptively before i am mis understood i do not agre nor condone these atrocities being done to us. I just think we should really start to define who they are as opposed to assuming. Again this is aimed at making reptilian alien species out to be the boogey man. This is a humanoid trait. It is designed to create fear and oposition to a faction of alien geneticists that left this planet years ago and now have few remaining that are perhaps behind the scenes but i very much doubt involved in human abductions and abusing children.

I remember an interview with a woman who was working for a black op program. She was sexually abused by her fellow workers and in front of other people including some reptilian species who from her account were disgusted by how we treated our own kind. She stated this in her interview. Ill try to find it but it was few years ago.

I very much think the blame game neds clarification. Its just too easy to blanket them all into the nasty bin.

N

[Kiforall]

Amysenthia

I agree this does go on however this is the result of a failed mutation which has led to an imbalanced group of beings which have reptilian lineage but are far from reptilian culture.

They are mostly human just like me. The difernce is some of them have rather saddistic tendancies whch is frought through all humans. Just look at why some humans are put in jail. These are crimes being perpetrated by all blood lines and all walks of life. We are a pretty dynamic mutation of a genetic splicing between ape and alien.

Within these aincient blood lines there are very decent honest people as well who detest these horrible things that go on. So its too easy to lump all that group and these guys into a, hey thats them, scenario.

So i agree with you its going on, there is no denying that but Who ar they really? I think the reptilian snake oil propoganda is working quite well. It seems everybody is convinced of these things without any actual facts. If we trace this back we find its probably someone just saying it one day and it took on as now its turned into a belief culture with very little factual merit.

And preemptively before i am mis understood i do not agre nor condone these atrocities being done to us. I just think we should really start to define who they are as opposed to assuming. Again this is aimed at making reptilian alien species out to be the boogey man. This is a humanoid trait. It is designed to create fear and oposition to a faction of alien geneticists that left this planet years ago and now have few remaining that are perhaps behind the scenes but i very much doubt involved in human abductions and abusing children.

I remember an interview with a woman who was working for a black op program. She was sexually abused by her fellow workers and in front of other people including some reptilian species who from her account were disgusted by how we treated our own kind. She stated this in her interview. Ill try to find it but it was few years ago.

I very much think the blame game neds clarification. Its just too easy to blanket them all into the nasty bin.

N

It is a lot easier for humans to believe that the psychopaths are 'something else' rather than accepting 'sick and perverted' can be a whole too common trait of humans.

Zoe x

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~David Icke is maybe the most misrepresented, misquoted, misinterpreted, misunderstood, falsely accused ridiculed, laughed at, bullied, marginalized, ignored by many, feared to be "associated with", lied about, endlessly trolled, character attacked, insults (to our intelligence), people acting/posing like a "David Icke supporter" but are actually payed (government) shills or fanatic religious people trying to discredit anyone who dares to commit the crime to be different than mainstream programming!

cheers,
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[DevilPigeon]

~David Icke is maybe the most misrepresented, misquoted, misinterpreted, misunderstood, falsely accused ridiculed, laughed at, bullied, marginalized, ignored by many, feared to be "associated with", lied about, endlessly trolled, character attacked, insults (to our intelligence), people acting/posing like a "David Icke supporter" but are actually payed (government) shills or fanatic religious people trying to discredit anyone who dares to commit the crime to be different than mainstream programming!

cheers,
John Kuhles

And....................... Breathe! ;)

But seriously, I think in recent times - and particularly since the Jimmy Savile revelations came out & that David had said this years ago - a lot more people are starting to take notice. And not too soon in my opinion.

What will boost his credibility even more is if the other people he mentioned years ago are also now found to be implicated.

[Cidersomerset]

The subject matter of this interview covers alot of what on this thread...
Re: How Jimmy was able to Fix it !!!

The attached post is from Davids site this morning !!


What David Icke Wrote About Conservative Party Treasurer Lord Alistair McAlpine in The Biggest Secret in 1998
and the time limit on legal action against the book is long past

Wednesday, 07 November 2012 12:28

By David Icke

This was the same book in which he named former Prime Minister Edward Heath as a paedophile, Satanist and mass
child killer seven years before Heath died (a 'journalist' read him the text days after publication); the book in which
he outed President Father George Bush as a child-killing, child-torturing paedophile; and the book in which David also
exposed the Satanism and human sacrifice rituals of the British royal family.


http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/November20122/article-1285669-09fbe721000005dc-238_468x530.jpg

The Biggest Secret, 1998:

'Another famous paedophile ... in Britain is Lord McAlpine, the former treasurer of Heath’s Conservative Party, and
executive of the McAlpine Construction empire. He also followed the late Jimmy Goldsmith as head of the Referendum
Party in Britain which was created to hijack the groups opposing the European Union and lead them to glorious failure.

McAlpine, who is heavily involved in a network of Brotherhood secret societies, including the Freemasons, has been
publicly named as a paedophile by the investigative magazine, Scallywag ... McAlpine was also named by one of the
former residents at the Bryn Alyn Children’s Home in North Wales who said he was forced to have oral sex with him ...

... A close friend of the McAlpines is Willie Whitelaw, a chairman of the Conservative Party. He was also Deputy Prime
Minister to Margaret Thatcher, who was ‘minded’ by Whitelaw, the McAlpines, and Sir Geoffrey Howe, during her years as Prime Minister.'

[Years in which Margaret Thatcher was a close friend of Jimmy Savile ('more turkey, Jim?') and years in which he had
positioned himself among those at the highest levels of the Conservative Party and government.]

Let's stop pissing about shall we?

If the real and full truth comes out about what really goes on away from the public eye it will bring down the British political
establishment across all parties and make the monarchy history.

So what is going on? It's all in The Biggest Secret, first published amid the usual dismissal and ridicule in 1998,

but who's laughing now?

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/7...k-is-long-past

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50809-How-Jimmy-was-able-to-Fix-it----/page9

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David has named prominant people for years !

Re: How Jimmy was able to Fix it !!!



LIST OF FAMOUS SATANISTS,
PEDOPHILES, AND MIND CONTROLLERS
by David Icke
http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/listsatan.html



The following list has been compiled from the wealth of research I have put together over the last ten years. I would suggest that all of these are reptilian bloodline, but I only mention shape-shifting where it has been witnessed.

It is only an initial list and will be added to. If you can add names, and give the supporting evidence, that would be most helpful in exposing these horrors. By "Satanists", of course, I mean those involved in human sacrifice.

David Icke




William F. Buckley Jr: Head of the elite JANUS mind control operation based at NATO headquarters in Belgium which trains mind-controlled psychic assassins; child killer, Satanist, shape-shifter

George Bush: US President and Vice President, head of the CIA, and a stream of other leading roles in the Illuminati. Satanist, mind controller, torturer of children and adults, pedophile, shape-shifting reptilian, and major drug runner. Serial killer. Nice man.

George W. Bush, Jr. - front-runner to be next President of the United States. Son of his father.

Bill Clinton, President of the United States. Satanist, serial killer, based on orders he has issued for assassinations, sexual abuser of mind controlled slaves.

Hillary Clinton, wife of President and now running for political office in New York. Announced her intention to run at a place called Pindar. This is the code-name of one of the foremost Illuminati human sacrificers and operatives (See The Biggest Secret). High Illuminati witch and Satanist. Abuser of mind controlled women.

Al Gore, Vice-President to Clinton, and front runner to be the "Democratic" candidate "opposing" George W. Bush. Illuminati, Satanist, serious blood drinker. Reptilian shapeshifter.

Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Richard Nixon, Lyndon B. Johnson. Presidents of the United States. Satanists. Users of mind-controlled slaves.

John F. Kennedy, assassinated President of the US. User for sex of mind controlled slaves. Probably a lot more we have yet to know.

Ted Kennedy: US politician, and head of the Kennedy clan currently. Brutal abuser of mind controlled slaves.

Henry Kissinger, former Secretary of State under Richard Nixon, and one of the Illuminati's foremost master minds of the agenda. Satanist, mind controller, child torturer, creator of wars of mass murder and destruction. Shape-shifter. Works closely with the UK's Lord Carrington.

Mikail Gorbachev, former President of the Soviet Union, now working in the US for the Illuminati Gorbachev Foundation which campaigns for World government, world army, etc., etc. Satanist and shape-shifting reptilian.

House of Rothschild. Satanists, child sacrificers, mind controllers, torturers of children and adults. Guy de Rothschild heads the dynasty and he is one of the top trauma-based mind controllers in the world. They are shape-shifting reptilians.

Habsburgs: See Rothschilds.

Rockefellers: See Rothschilds.

Astor's: See Rothschilds.

DuPont's: See Rothschilds.

Mellon's: See Rothschilds.

Dick Cheney, Defense Secretary under President Bush. Satanist, torturer of children and adults. Mind controller.

Robert C. Byrd, "Democrat" senator for West Virginia. Satanist and brutal torturer of adults and children. Mind controller.

Quote added by Hard Truth “It is money, money, money! Not ideas, not principles, but money that reigns supreme in American politics.” -- Senator Robert Byrd, West Virginia

Bob and Bill Bennett, well-known US political figures closely connected to George Bush. Satanists, mind controllers, torturers of children and adults.

Lt Col Michael Aquino, US Military Psychological Warfare Department: Satanist (founder of the Church of Set), torturer of children and adults in trauma-based mind control projects.

Kris Kristopherson, actor and singer. Works with Aquino. Torturer, mind controller.

Boxcar Willie, country music singer. Satanist, pedophile.

Bob Hope "comedian". Life-time asset of British Intelligence, mind-controlled slave handler, and manipulator of the "entertainment industry" on behalf of the Illuminati. The "Rat Pack", including Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis Junior, and Dean Martin were all heavily involved with Hope and others in the same line of work.

Billy Graham, "Christian" hero who has been funded from the start by the top Illuminati families and operatives like the Rockefellers and newspaper tycoon, William Randolph Hearst. Satanist, involved in mind control projects, close friend of Bush and Kissinger. Bloodline of the Satanic Illuminati Frank family which created the Satanic movement known as Frankism.

Queen Elizabeth II of the UK: Satanist, child sacrificer, shape-shifting reptilian. Major Illuminati figure.

Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother: As above.

Prince Philip: As above.

Prince Charles: As above.

Prince Andrew: As above.

Princess Anne: As above. Not seen to shape-shift.

Lord Mountbatten of the British Royal Family and World War II "war hero". Rothschild bloodline, and therefore a shape-shifter. Satanist.

Winston Churchill, Britain's war-time Prime Minister, and bloodline of the Marlborough family, one of the elite aristocratic bloodlines of the British Isles. Satanist.

Franklin Delano Roosevelt: US war-time President: Satanist.

Stalin: Russian war-time leader. Satanist.

Adolf Hitler, Nazi leader in Germany. Rothschild bloodline. Satanist.

Tony Blair, current British Prime Minister. Satanist.

Brian Mulroney, Prime Minister of Canada when he and President Bush introduced the NAFTA "free trade" agreement, which has devastated the Canadian economy. Satanist, rapist of mind controlled women.

Pierre Trudeau, Canadian Prime Minister. Satanist, rapist of mind controlled women, paedophile.

Edward Heath, Prime Minister of the UK from 1970-74 and the man who signed Britain into the European Community, now Union. Satanist, child torturer, paedophile, shapeshifting reptilian.

Willie Whitelaw, Deputy Prime Minister to Margaret Thatcher in the 1980s. Satanist.

Lord McAlpine of the McAlpine Construction dynasty in the UK. Satanist, paedophile.

Mohammed Al Fayed, father of Dodi Fayed, who died in the car with Princess Diana. Satanist.......

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David Icke, has been telling the world that Jimmy Savile is a Paedophile for many years, but only now he has been taken seriously.

A program that was aired on the "Liberty Tactics show" with the guest speaker being "David Icke" Exposes the real truth about Jimmy Savile and others.

'David is the man the mainstream media like to ridicule and make fun of but the fact is David Icke was right about Jimmy Savile. For many years David Icke has been telling people that Jimmy Savile was a paedophile and a necrophiliac.

He has named other people in high places who are child abusers and child killers who are involved in satanic rituals and sacrifice and yet he has never been sued by them or their families for making these accusations.

How many of the rich and famous did Savile supply children to for their perverted pleasure? If Savile had been exposed while he was alive he would have taken many famous people down with him including those within the British Establishment.'
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Videos on Jimmy Savile please click on the links below:

Jimmy Savile - What the BBC Knew - Panorama Full Documentary 22nd Oct 2012
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EmflEBrHoEs

Exposure - The Other Side of Jimmy Savile - 3rd Oct 2012 - Full Documentary
http://dailymotion.com/video/xv03is_exposure-the-other-side-of-jimmy-savile-3... (http://dailymotion.com/video/xv03is_exposure-the-other-side-of-jimmy-savile-3th-oct-2012-full-documentary-itv_news)

When Louis Theroux Met - Jimmy Savile | 2000 | Full Documentary
http://dailymotion.com/video/xv03ri_when-louis-theroux-met-jimmy-savile-2000-... (http://dailymotion.com/video/xv03ri_when-louis-theroux-met-jimmy-savile-2000-full-documentary_shortfilms)

Exposure: The Other Side of Jimmy Savile
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nWfB9CEANLw

Freddie Starr |Denies Groping Claims| on Jimmy Savile's TV show in the 1970s
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DYlcg1APhl0

Jimmy Savile's Gravestone - Headstone is removed from his grave
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zvjcY6uNTQk

Jimmy Savile "Paedophile" He tries to deny it on camera when asked about it ??
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Guc_Fv6JYMc

Jimmy Savile - BBC boss George Entwistle has announced two inquiries relating to Jimmy Savile
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NbN4hYJVmw8

Jimmy Savile abuse claims Former scout says Savile told him "I'm King Jimmy"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bgssBClZo4I
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[cloud9]

Just as a humorous note I wanted to point out that "pedo" means "fart" in Spanish, so pedo-rings sounded crazy to me....

[Mutchie]

i was reading up about Jimmy and some of his antics and some of it is quite shocking ... For starters

1> Why would Jimmy have access to certain morgues ? they say he had keys to come and go at some of them ....

2> Why would he have his own rooms within homes for troubled girls or teenagers

They say jimmy was the guy who could source the kids for these monsters so Im thinking WHO ELSE ?

ITS JUST NOT ON ...ABUSING KIDS IS BAD ENOUGH BUT SEX WITH DEAD BODIES ?????:confused:

[truth4me]

There are so many sick people in society. Icke is exposing the high profile ones. Here's one guy from the past ....well, read for yourself

wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Fish

[ExomatrixTV]

What David Icke Wrote About Conservative Party Treasurer Lord Alistair McAlpine in The Biggest Secret in 1998
and the time limit on legal action against the book is long past

Wednesday, 07 November 2012 12:28

By David Icke

This was the same book in which he named former Prime Minister Edward Heath as a paedophile, Satanist and mass
child killer seven years before Heath died (a 'journalist' read him the text days after publication); the book in which
he outed President Father George Bush as a child-killing, child-torturing paedophile; and the book in which David also
exposed the Satanism and human sacrifice rituals of the British royal family.


http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/November20122/article-1285669-09fbe721000005dc-238_468x530.jpg

The Biggest Secret, 1998:

'Another famous paedophile ... in Britain is Lord McAlpine, the former treasurer of Heath’s Conservative Party, and
executive of the McAlpine Construction empire. He also followed the late Jimmy Goldsmith as head of the Referendum
Party in Britain which was created to hijack the groups opposing the European Union and lead them to glorious failure.

McAlpine, who is heavily involved in a network of Brotherhood secret societies, including the Freemasons, has been
publicly named as a paedophile by the investigative magazine, Scallywag ... McAlpine was also named by one of the
former residents at the Bryn Alyn Children’s Home in North Wales who said he was forced to have oral sex with him ...

... A close friend of the McAlpines is Willie Whitelaw, a chairman of the Conservative Party. He was also Deputy Prime
Minister to Margaret Thatcher, who was ‘minded’ by Whitelaw, the McAlpines, and Sir Geoffrey Howe, during her years as Prime Minister.'

[Years in which Margaret Thatcher was a close friend of Jimmy Savile ('more turkey, Jim?') and years in which he had
positioned himself among those at the highest levels of the Conservative Party and government.]

Let's stop pissing about shall we?

If the real and full truth comes out about what really goes on away from the public eye it will bring down the British political
establishment across all parties and make the monarchy history.

So what is going on? It's all in The Biggest Secret, first published amid the usual dismissal and ridicule in 1998,

but who's laughing now?

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/7...k-is-long-past

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...x-it----/page9 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50809-How-Jimmy-was-able-to-Fix-it----/page9)

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David has named prominant people for years !

Re: How Jimmy was able to Fix it !!!



LIST OF FAMOUS SATANISTS,
PEDOPHILES, AND MIND CONTROLLERS
by David Icke
http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/listsatan.html



The following list has been compiled from the wealth of research I have put together over the last ten years. I would suggest that all of these are reptilian bloodline, but I only mention shape-shifting where it has been witnessed.

It is only an initial list and will be added to. If you can add names, and give the supporting evidence, that would be most helpful in exposing these horrors. By "Satanists", of course, I mean those involved in human sacrifice.

David Icke




William F. Buckley Jr: Head of the elite JANUS mind control operation based at NATO headquarters in Belgium which trains mind-controlled psychic assassins; child killer, Satanist, shape-shifter

George Bush: US President and Vice President, head of the CIA, and a stream of other leading roles in the Illuminati. Satanist, mind controller, torturer of children and adults, pedophile, shape-shifting reptilian, and major drug runner. Serial killer. Nice man.

George W. Bush, Jr. - front-runner to be next President of the United States. Son of his father.

Bill Clinton, President of the United States. Satanist, serial killer, based on orders he has issued for assassinations, sexual abuser of mind controlled slaves.

Hillary Clinton, wife of President and now running for political office in New York. Announced her intention to run at a place called Pindar. This is the code-name of one of the foremost Illuminati human sacrificers and operatives (See The Biggest Secret). High Illuminati witch and Satanist. Abuser of mind controlled women.

Al Gore, Vice-President to Clinton, and front runner to be the "Democratic" candidate "opposing" George W. Bush. Illuminati, Satanist, serious blood drinker. Reptilian shapeshifter.

Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Richard Nixon, Lyndon B. Johnson. Presidents of the United States. Satanists. Users of mind-controlled slaves.

John F. Kennedy, assassinated President of the US. User for sex of mind controlled slaves. Probably a lot more we have yet to know.

Ted Kennedy: US politician, and head of the Kennedy clan currently. Brutal abuser of mind controlled slaves.

Henry Kissinger, former Secretary of State under Richard Nixon, and one of the Illuminati's foremost master minds of the agenda. Satanist, mind controller, child torturer, creator of wars of mass murder and destruction. Shape-shifter. Works closely with the UK's Lord Carrington.

Mikail Gorbachev, former President of the Soviet Union, now working in the US for the Illuminati Gorbachev Foundation which campaigns for World government, world army, etc., etc. Satanist and shape-shifting reptilian.

House of Rothschild. Satanists, child sacrificers, mind controllers, torturers of children and adults. Guy de Rothschild heads the dynasty and he is one of the top trauma-based mind controllers in the world. They are shape-shifting reptilians.

Habsburgs: See Rothschilds.

Rockefellers: See Rothschilds.

Astor's: See Rothschilds.

DuPont's: See Rothschilds.

Mellon's: See Rothschilds.

Dick Cheney, Defense Secretary under President Bush. Satanist, torturer of children and adults. Mind controller.

Robert C. Byrd, "Democrat" senator for West Virginia. Satanist and brutal torturer of adults and children. Mind controller.

Quote added by Hard Truth “It is money, money, money! Not ideas, not principles, but money that reigns supreme in American politics.” -- Senator Robert Byrd, West Virginia

Bob and Bill Bennett, well-known US political figures closely connected to George Bush. Satanists, mind controllers, torturers of children and adults.

Lt Col Michael Aquino, US Military Psychological Warfare Department: Satanist (founder of the Church of Set), torturer of children and adults in trauma-based mind control projects.

Kris Kristopherson, actor and singer. Works with Aquino. Torturer, mind controller.

Boxcar Willie, country music singer. Satanist, pedophile.

Bob Hope "comedian". Life-time asset of British Intelligence, mind-controlled slave handler, and manipulator of the "entertainment industry" on behalf of the Illuminati. The "Rat Pack", including Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis Junior, and Dean Martin were all heavily involved with Hope and others in the same line of work.

Billy Graham, "Christian" hero who has been funded from the start by the top Illuminati families and operatives like the Rockefellers and newspaper tycoon, William Randolph Hearst. Satanist, involved in mind control projects, close friend of Bush and Kissinger. Bloodline of the Satanic Illuminati Frank family which created the Satanic movement known as Frankism.

Queen Elizabeth II of the UK: Satanist, child sacrificer, shape-shifting reptilian. Major Illuminati figure.

Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother: As above.

Prince Philip: As above.

Prince Charles: As above.

Prince Andrew: As above.

Princess Anne: As above. Not seen to shape-shift.

Lord Mountbatten of the British Royal Family and World War II "war hero". Rothschild bloodline, and therefore a shape-shifter. Satanist.

Winston Churchill, Britain's war-time Prime Minister, and bloodline of the Marlborough family, one of the elite aristocratic bloodlines of the British Isles. Satanist.

Franklin Delano Roosevelt: US war-time President: Satanist.

Stalin: Russian war-time leader. Satanist.

Adolf Hitler, Nazi leader in Germany. Rothschild bloodline. Satanist.

Tony Blair, current British Prime Minister. Satanist.

Brian Mulroney, Prime Minister of Canada when he and President Bush introduced the NAFTA "free trade" agreement, which has devastated the Canadian economy. Satanist, rapist of mind controlled women.

Pierre Trudeau, Canadian Prime Minister. Satanist, rapist of mind controlled women, paedophile.

Edward Heath, Prime Minister of the UK from 1970-74 and the man who signed Britain into the European Community, now Union. Satanist, child torturer, paedophile, shapeshifting reptilian.

Willie Whitelaw, Deputy Prime Minister to Margaret Thatcher in the 1980s. Satanist.

Lord McAlpine of the McAlpine Construction dynasty in the UK. Satanist, paedophile.

Mohammed Al Fayed, father of Dodi Fayed, who died in the car with Princess Diana. Satanist.......

[bram]

i was reading up about Jimmy and some of his antics and some of it is quite shocking ... For starters

1> Why would Jimmy have access to certain morgues ? they say he had keys to come and go at some of them ....

2> Why would he have his own rooms within homes for troubled girls or teenagers

They say jimmy was the guy who could source the kids for these monsters so Im thinking WHO ELSE ?

ITS JUST NOT ON ...ABUSING KIDS IS BAD ENOUGH BUT SEX WITH DEAD BODIES ?????:confused:

I think abusing kids is far worse than sex with dead bodies...

[bram]

Seems to me that the scandal which exploded around this issue is rapidly being closed up by the government, and the BBC will have to keep quiet.

None of these people will be named unless the british public demands it and the british public are not demanding of their leaders. Shame though, it nearly all came out, cabinet ministers and all. Now the names will just be unsubstantiated rumours and the investigations will turn into whitewashes carried out by the chums of the establishment pedophiles.

Whether or not they are lizards is completely off topic and irrelevant.

[truth4me]

Just as a humorous note I wanted to point out that "pedo" means "fart" in Spanish, so pedo-rings sounded crazy to me....what ever they are doing does have a bad smell lingering with it......

[greybeard]

BBC news director Helen Boaden and deputy Stephen Mitchell are standing aside over the Newsnight crisis.

It follows the resignation of director-general George Entwistle at the weekend after the programme mistakenly implicated former Conservative treasurer Lord McAlpine in the North Wales children's home scandal of the 1970s and 1980s.
(my highlight.)

There is much more on the link.

Seems George Entwistle may get at least £500K for resigning --- only in the job a few weeks--- nice work if you can get it.

Heads will roll---smiling.
Of course they may not be the right heads.

Chris


http://uk.news.yahoo.com/bbc-news-chiefs-stand-aside-081845493.html

[Billy]

I received this Email concerning Hollie Grieg's birthday.

Dear All



HOLLIE’S BIRTHDAY IS FRIDAY 23rd NOVEMBER and she’ll be 33! As you know, she absolutely loves getting cards from us so if we can repeat the miracle this year like the last 2 years she will be one very happy lady.

Once again please send the cards to Hollie c/o McKenzie 83 Priory Gardens London N6 5QU any time from now but to reach me by 21st November. Thanks!



DEMO FOR HOLLIE AT BBC TELEVISION HQ FRIDAY 16th NOVEMBER 201 Wood Lane London W12 (Wood Lane tube on Hammersmith & City line). 11-2 pm.

Again in Hollie’s birthday month and taking advantage of the ‘Savile surge’, it’s high time to challenge the BBC as to why they pulled the documentary programme about Hollie in July 2009 just as it was about to air on BBC Frontline Scotland and BBC Radio Scotland and thereafter on Panorama. Who gave the order to pull it and what were the reasons? Mark Daly the producer told Anne at the time they couldn’t go ahead after all “or we’ll lose our jobs” but then a few weeks later he denied he’d said that.



The BBC continue to sit on a lot of crucial information about the case collected by Daly in 2009 – he seems to have had some special relationship with the Crown Office. For example, he managed to get hold of the autopsy report on Anne’s brother’s death which she herself had been pressing for for 12 years yet it had been continuously withheld, despite her being Roy’s next-of-kin. It was only thanks to Robert’s help that she finally laid hands on it in December 2009, yet Daly had got it months earlier! Then, Daly very quickly found out all about the incident in 1997 when Greg was arrested for ‘lewd & libidinous’ behaviour, details of which Anne to this day has not been permitted to know, such as who was the Sheriff who after 3 admissions to the court let Greg off with a caution, could that by any chance have been Sheriff Buchanan?! And she also suspects that Daly obtained details on her unlawful sectioning in 2000 to which again she herself is not privy.



In other words, the BBC are very much implicated in the cover-up of Hollie’s abuse and we need to start pressing them for answers to questions as to what they know about the case that they are withholding from the the two ladies and the public.



(Incidentally, HGH (the Hollie Greig Hoax so-called team) also seem to have the knack of obtaining confidential information on Hollie’s case).



Going back to Friday’s demo, we’re only allowed to stand opposite the main entrance to the Television Centre on the other side of the road, not outside the entrance itself – the personnel have had enough of being harangued by the public as they go in and out of the building, apparently!



I’m aware that many on this list which is my General Hollie list (running into thousands by now) are miles away from London so of course as ever you’re not expected to turn up to events in London especially at very short notice, however there could be quite a few within 20 or 30 miles of London who might be able to join us so fingers crossed we’ll get a good turnout and make a lot of noise on Friday.



Belinda