David Icke 2012

[ktlight]

"Obama is one of them, he is the eighth cousin to Dick Cheney."

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[ktlight]

"Brilliant interview. Concise and straight to the point. Icke looks refreshed and he seems as passionate as ever!"

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[BlueGem]

I really like this guy, he seems very grounded and sincere. Keep up the great work David!

[Amysenthia]

Never get tired of listening to David.

[ghostrider]

I like David Icke also, he goes right at it, and never pulls punches. love to have a cup of tea with him in the morning as he reads over todays news and get his take....

[Calz]

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[9eagle9]

We are conscious though. We are not aware (awake).

People --whomever they are-- seem to focus more on consciousness than awareness. Clearing of consciousnes helps to open the door to awareness or awakening.

There's a marked difference between the two. Unlike just talking about consciouness expansion or becoming more conscious....awareness can be demonstrated and one can be SHOWN the contrast between the two. Instead of just told about consciousness, awareness can be shown and demonstrated.

A person who has had a near death experience is not conscious. But they are aware of what is going on during that time of Unconsciousness. That is their awareness, their expression of something that is not affected by consciouness at all.

Someone who is expressing intuition is expressing an awareness of something they are not conscious of.

A person who has experienced astral travel is very often not conscious. They may very well be asleep, but they are aware of their travels even after they re-gain consciouness. Even though they had the event while NOT conscious.

Until we learn the difference we are going to keep focusing on consciousness instead of awareness and we just pushing against that boulder. We are not able to see that difference inside of us yet. What we focus on, is what is built--consciousness expansion. What is really productive is to be getting back to awareness. Consciousness expansion creates more density for the awareness or higher expression to have to work through...to the point we barely notice it never mind noticing the difference between the two.

[Calz]

Until we learn the difference we are going to keep focusing on consciousness instead of awareness and we just pushing against that boulder. We are not able to see that difference inside of us yet. What we focus on, is what is built--consciousness expansion. What is really productive is to be getting back to awareness. Consciousness expansion creates more density for the awareness or higher expression to have to work through...to the point we barely notice it never mind noticing the difference between the two.


Excellent post!

Care to elaborate on ideas in which we can "get back to awareness"?

I am sure many of us could learn a thing or two on your enunciated distinction between "consiousness" and "awareness".

[Belle]

I was struck by what David said at 6:18 in the video:

"There are a large number of conspiracy researchers who are not conscious...they are body conscious. And it's great what they are doing cause we need to know about the manipulation of banking systems, and political systems and all the rest of it...but if that's where it ends, all we're going to do is learn more and more about the prison cell. I want to know where the key is. Where's the key to open this door...to walk out of the cell, not to learn more about it.

And the only way to find that key is by becoming conscious...to start to access higher levels of consciousness so that we can see the world from a much higher perspective, knowledge, understanding and wisdom. And have the inspiration of how we react and respond...."


Looking forward to 9eagle9 speaking further on the differences between consciousness and awareness. It would shed a little more light and a lot more clarity to the above statement by Icke.

[Jenci]

We are conscious though. We are not aware (awake).

People --whomever they are-- seem to focus more on consciousness than awareness. Clearing of consciousnes helps to open the door to awareness or awakening.

There's a marked difference between the two. Unlike just talking about consciouness expansion or becoming more conscious....awareness can be demonstrated and one can be SHOWN the contrast between the two. Instead of just told about consciousness, awareness can be shown and demonstrated.

A person who has had a near death experience is not conscious. But they are aware of what is going on during that time of Unconsciousness. That is their awareness, their expression of something that is not affected by consciouness at all.

Someone who is expressing intuition is expressing an awareness of something they are not conscious of.

A person who has experienced astral travel is very often not conscious. They may very well be asleep, but they are aware of their travels even after they re-gain consciouness. Even though they had the event while NOT conscious.

Until we learn the difference we are going to keep focusing on consciousness instead of awareness and we just pushing against that boulder. We are not able to see that difference inside of us yet. What we focus on, is what is built--consciousness expansion. What is really productive is to be getting back to awareness. Consciousness expansion creates more density for the awareness or higher expression to have to work through...to the point we barely notice it never mind noticing the difference between the two.

Hi 9eagle9

I use the word consciousness myself. I make no distinction between awareness and consciousness. In fact I will also use other words - the Self, the Divine, the Absolute, Source.

When Icke is speaking of consciousness he is talking about the ultimate reality which we cannot speak about. It is prior to all things and can only be pointed to. At best all the words are just signposts, pointing to it.
Jeanette

[Jenci]

I was struck by what David said at 6:18 in the video:

"There are a large number of conspiracy researchers who are not conscious...they are body conscious. And it's great what they are doing cause we need to know about the manipulation of banking systems, and political systems and all the rest of it...but if that's where it ends, all we're going to do is learn more and more about the prison cell. I want to know where the key is. Where's the key to open this door...to walk out of the cell, not to learn more about it.

And the only way to find that key is by becoming conscious...to start to access higher levels of consciousness so that we can see the world from a much higher perspective, knowledge, understanding and wisdom. And have the inspiration of how we react and respond...."

I agree with what Icke is saying and Icke is not the only person saying it.

When people start waking up in the sense of peceiving reality from Consciousness, rather than the limited sense of self which is the body and mind, then the game is up for the PTB. That's why so much of the conditioning is desgined to keep us believing that we are this body and we are this mind.

When you perceive reality as Consciousness, the dualistic nature of life is irrelevant, because you go beyond it. This is where we step out of the pyramid. It will only take a number of people waking up like this to bring the whole pyramid tumbling down - in order words it will not have to be the full 99%.

Jeanette

[Carmen]

Great message. Conscious awareness. To become aware that we are aware. To become consciously aware in the now moment accesses Infinite Reality. These moments of focussed awareness may be fleeting at first but with self correction they become our normal way of 'being'. To be consciously aware of what we are physically doing brings us peace and centeredness.

[9eagle9]

Making agreements is one way to get stuck at one level of progress. I happen to respect a lot Ickes work but ...just because everyone , or a lot or many,agrees with him doesn't mean that he is entirely correct or that is where the truth of the matter is. Nor is it a matter of semantics we are framing around two entirely different mechanisms.

If one chooses not to make a distinction that is their choice. Very advanced people who have done a lot of consciousness and ego work know what conscious awareness is. They know there is a difference.

For those who don't know....its not going to help by saying the two mechanisms are the same. They are not given an opportunity to be shown the contrasts in the two.

However it does not change that the two are decidedly different in expression. Consciousness gimbols around beliefs, aquired information, thoughts, ideas, thought attachment to feelings, and judgement.

Awareness is an expression, not of thinking, but knowing. If one knows something they don't need to think about it, and if they have the experience of it they don't need to believe it .

The difference between knowing and thinking, and experiencing and believing.

Awareness is based on accessment not judgement. One is not required to think, or require external input to arrive at knowing. More emotional qualities than 'feeling' qualities. People tend to think emotions and feelings are the same thing.

The difference between the two is easily demonstrated.

At this point in time awareness really has no choice but to express itself thorugh the consciousness. But it doesn't mean it is consciousness. It's obvious that animals do not have that same sort consciousness as humans but are very AWARE. Less about consciousnness and more about awareness in animals.

Awareness through consciousness risks consciousness interpretation--which means the ego may start pinging in it's input and translating things. In unconsiousness, consciousness doesn't express itself. You see that with people who are in a coma, but they report having awareness. Awarness in unconsciouness can express through dreams and things of that nature. Awareness can be known through consciouness. One can be conscious of their awareness but ...until one knows the contrast between the two, how can they determine which one is which? Espeically if we keep re-emphasizing they are the same thing?

There's really no avenue for awareness to express unless it is doing something that a person may not be relating back to themselves. Synchronicity seems to be events external of us but is a function of inner awareness. "If the tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it...."......is really a question about awareness and consiouscness.

But because awareness can be expressed through consciousness doesn't mean its sourced in consciousness. That it originates there. It doesn't.

Consciousness is just the avenue that it expresses through. But if the consciousness is that cluttered up with thoughts, ideas, beliefs, externally sourced material the awareness becomes harder to differentiate, it gets lost there. Or drowned out, or re-translated.

We could go through life unconscious and remain what we'd call a dream like state but rather defeats having the physical experience.




I was struck by what David said at 6:18 in the video:

"There are a large number of conspiracy researchers who are not conscious...they are body conscious. And it's great what they are doing cause we need to know about the manipulation of banking systems, and political systems and all the rest of it...but if that's where it ends, all we're going to do is learn more and more about the prison cell. I want to know where the key is. Where's the key to open this door...to walk out of the cell, not to learn more about it.

And the only way to find that key is by becoming conscious...to start to access higher levels of consciousness so that we can see the world from a much higher perspective, knowledge, understanding and wisdom. And have the inspiration of how we react and respond...."

I agree with what Icke is saying and Icke is not the only person saying it.

When people start waking up in the sense of peceiving reality from Consciousness, rather than the limited sense of self which is the body and mind, then the game is up for the PTB. That's why so much of the conditioning is desgined to keep us believing that we are this body and we are this mind.

When you perceive reality as Consciousness, the dualistic nature of life is irrelevant, because you go beyond it. This is where we step out of the pyramid. It will only take a number of people waking up like this to bring the whole pyramid tumbling down - in order words it will not have to be the full 99%.

Jeanette

[another bob]

Q: You use the words 'aware' and 'conscious'. Are they not the same?

Nisargadatta Maharaj: Awareness is primordial; it is the original state, beginningless, endless, uncaused, unsupported, without parts, without change. Consciousness is on contact, a reflection against a surface, a state of duality. There can be no consciousness without awareness, but there can be awareness without consciousness, as in deep sleep. Awareness is absolute, consciousness is relative to its content; consciousness is always of something. Consciousness is partial and changeful, awareness is total, changeless, calm and silent. And it is the common matrix of every experience.

Q: How does one go beyond consciousness into awareness?

M: Since it is awareness that makes consciousness possible, there is awareness in every state of consciousness. Therefore the very consciousness of being conscious is already a movement in awareness. Interest in your stream of consciousness takes you to awareness. It is not a new state. It is at once recognised as the original, basic existence, which is life itself, and also love and joy.



Skinned down for skimmers, we can say that consciousness is mind with object, while awareness is mind without object. In any case, there is only mind. If we wanted to play name games, we could say this mind is God, and we are thoughtforms in this mind of God. Now there's a thought!

:yo:

[Jenci]

Making agreements is one way to get stuck at one level of progress. I happen to respect a lot Ickes work but ...just because everyone , or a lot or many,agrees with him doesn't mean that he is entirely correct or that is where the truth of the matter is. Nor is it a matter of semantics we are framing around two entirely different mechanisms.

If one chooses not to make a distinction that is their choice. Very advanced people who have done a lot of consciousness and ego work know what conscious awareness is. They know there is a difference.

For those who don't know....its not going to help by saying the two mechanisms are the same. They are not given an opportunity to be shown the contrasts in the two.

However it does not change that the two are decidedly different in expression. Consciousness gimbols around beliefs, aquired information, thoughts, ideas, thought attachment to feelings, and judgement.

Awareness is an expression, not of thinking, but knowing. If one knows something they don't need to think about it, and if they have the experience of it they don't need to believe it .

The difference between knowing and thinking, and experiencing and believing.

Awareness is based on accessment not judgement. One is not required to think, or require external input to arrive at knowing. More emotional qualities than 'feeling' qualities. People tend to think emotions and feelings are the same thing.

The difference between the two is easily demonstrated.

At this point in time awareness really has no choice but to express itself thorugh the consciousness. But it doesn't mean it is consciousness. It's obvious that animals do not have that same sort consciousness as humans but are very AWARE. Less about consciousnness and more about awareness in animals.

Awareness through consciousness risks consciousness interpretation--which means the ego may start pinging in it's input and translating things. In unconsiousness, consciousness doesn't express itself. You see that with people who are in a coma, but they report having awareness. Awarness in unconsciouness can express through dreams and things of that nature. Awareness can be known through consciouness. One can be conscious of their awareness but ...until one knows the contrast between the two, how can they determine which one is which? Espeically if we keep re-emphasizing they are the same thing?

There's really no avenue for awareness to express unless it is doing something that a person may not be relating back to themselves. Synchronicity seems to be events external of us but is a function of inner awareness. "If the tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it...."......is really a question about awareness and consiouscness.

But because awareness can be expressed through consciousness doesn't mean its sourced in consciousness. That it originates there. It doesn't.

Consciousness is just the avenue that it expresses through. But if the consciousness is that cluttered up with thoughts, ideas, beliefs, externally sourced material the awareness becomes harder to differentiate, it gets lost there. Or drowned out, or re-translated.

We could go through life unconscious and remain what we'd call a dream like state but rather defeats having the physical experience.




I was struck by what David said at 6:18 in the video:

"There are a large number of conspiracy researchers who are not conscious...they are body conscious. And it's great what they are doing cause we need to know about the manipulation of banking systems, and political systems and all the rest of it...but if that's where it ends, all we're going to do is learn more and more about the prison cell. I want to know where the key is. Where's the key to open this door...to walk out of the cell, not to learn more about it.

And the only way to find that key is by becoming conscious...to start to access higher levels of consciousness so that we can see the world from a much higher perspective, knowledge, understanding and wisdom. And have the inspiration of how we react and respond...."

I agree with what Icke is saying and Icke is not the only person saying it.

When people start waking up in the sense of peceiving reality from Consciousness, rather than the limited sense of self which is the body and mind, then the game is up for the PTB. That's why so much of the conditioning is desgined to keep us believing that we are this body and we are this mind.

When you perceive reality as Consciousness, the dualistic nature of life is irrelevant, because you go beyond it. This is where we step out of the pyramid. It will only take a number of people waking up like this to bring the whole pyramid tumbling down - in order words it will not have to be the full 99%.

Jeanette

Hi 9eagle9

Mechanisms are just concepts of the mind. Icke is using a word "Conscious" to describe something beyond all concepts and something which appears to be different to what you are describing as "conscious", in a more limited sense.

Once you are perceiving life as the Consciousness Icke is referring to, the words are no longer relevant.

Where I am from, some people call their evening meal "dinner" and what they drink "tea". But others call the meal they eat at midday "dinner" and the meal they eat in the evening "tea".

So what is dinner - a meal at midday or a meal in the evening?
So what is tea - a drink or an evening meal?

There is no right or wrong - it just depends on who is using the word and what they are using it to describe.

Icke is not the only one to use the word "Consciousness" like this. Many spiritual teachers do. Here's one @ 52.00 minute mark who is saying he is using Consciousness and Awareness as synonyms.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRpD3-RXfoQ&feature=related


And for those who want some humour to see how the use of a word can be applied to two different things by two different people, then this is funny :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCbvCRkl_4U

Jeanette

[Jenci]

Q: You use the words 'aware' and 'conscious'. Are they not the same?

Nisargadatta Maharaj: Awareness is primordial; it is the original state, beginningless, endless, uncaused, unsupported, without parts, without change. Consciousness is on contact, a reflection against a surface, a state of duality. There can be no consciousness without awareness, but there can be awareness without consciousness, as in deep sleep. Awareness is absolute, consciousness is relative to its content; consciousness is always of something. Consciousness is partial and changeful, awareness is total, changeless, calm and silent. And it is the common matrix of every experience.

Q: How does one go beyond consciousness into awareness?

M: Since it is awareness that makes consciousness possible, there is awareness in every state of consciousness. Therefore the very consciousness of being conscious is already a movement in awareness. Interest in your stream of consciousness takes you to awareness. It is not a new state. It is at once recognised as the original, basic existence, which is life itself, and also love and joy.



Skinned down for skimmers, we can say that consciousness is mind with object, while awareness is mind without object. In any case, there is only mind. If we wanted to play name games, we could say this mind is God, and we are thoughtforms in this mind of God. Now there's a thought!

:yo:


Hi Bob,
I agree with what Nisargatta is saying in putting the two words in different context. I think that in the video in the OP, Icke is referring to Consciousness as that which is present even when asleep.

This is where the words can be so difficult. Actually what we are talking about is God, like you said, but I was reluctant to use that word because it can get misinterpreted and people don't agree on what God is.

As using a word for what we are talking about is so difficult, I think it can be easier to say what it is not. :)
Jeanette

[aranuk]

Yes Jenci, as Sherlock Holmes said to Watson, Once you remove the impossible, what you are left with however improbable must be the truth,
BTW Sherlock Holmes came from Edinburgh. He was related to my grandfather.:(

Stan

PS There is a huge statue of Sherlock in Edinburgh city centre outside the pub the Arthur Conan Doyle.

[Jenci]

Yes Jenci, as Sherlock Holmes said to Watson, Once you remove the impossible, what you are left with however improbable must be the truth,
BTW Sherlock Holmes came from Edinburgh. He was related to my grandfathe.:(

Stan

That's it Stan.....and actually that's a really good quote in this truth seeking business. I often say it to myself when I am disbelieving that "they" could have done such a thing.So you are keeping the detective work in the family then :)
Jeanette

[another bob]

Actually what we are talking about is God, like you said, but I was reluctant to use that word because it can get misinterpreted and people don't agree on what God is.

They will soon enough! ;)



As using a word for what we are talking about is so difficult, I think it can be easier to say what it is not. :)


It's all fine, it's all great -- call it whatever we want, God is all there is! Yay God!!

:yo:

[Satkirn]

Beautiful posts, thank you guys :thumb:

[9eagle9]

You can't change the nature of either of them simply by 'saying' or thinking they are the same thing .If Icke wants to use them interchangeably he will have a very hard time showing what he means to get over to people. He may, quite inadvertently mislead people. He can talk and tell all he wants, but he's not showing the difference between his version of conscious and contrast between consciousness and awareness. He's a creating a new language and the 100 monkeys will tell us how fast that will spread.

We are creating a new language where different things suddenly mean the same and this is not helpful to people who have been decieved over and over by the introduction of new languages created everytime we want to support a concept. This is not helpful to people who have not had the experience of multi expressions.

Icke can create a new language and he will be entertaining some correction because it's misleading.

Everyone knows they have conscious, but if they think that their conscious is their awareness they will not be prompted to seek what they think they have access to...One of the biggest matrix traps there are. To not seek out somethign because you think you have acess to it. At one time everyone in America thought they were Free because someone said so and we weren't. We didn't have access to freedom. They just created a huge language to support an idea of freedom. An idea of freedom is not freedom, nor more than Earl Grey is a meal.

Indeed the 'dangers' of allowing others to think for you.

Tea is tea. Someone made the choice, the agreement, to create a new word or language where tea was suddenly a meal. Dinner and supper are just different names for meals. Who put the gun to our head? Did we have choice to say...nah, gonna keep calling my 4 oclock meal a ...meal.

One goes to the gas station to get gas. But its not a gas that one is purchasing.

This is how the powers that be got us in the first place. We accept concepts for what they really are not. The mind makes agreements , agreements are based on language. The subconcious while unable to separate fact from fiction takes agreements and follows them to a T. (No pun intended) . Any first level hypnosis therapist could demonstrates (show) what Icke is not showing..he's telling.

So tea as a meal has become a reality for people. Because they created it. They accepted that tea was a meal, it was by their agreement to agree to this new language. The essential nature of tea as a drink is still the same. You can call it a meal if you want, you can create an alternate reality around because that is what consciousness does....but tea is still tea. A very basic primer in how 'they' used consciousness to create our own reality. We just accepted, or agreed to the change in language, until it become a reality for us. Its right there in front of our face but ...we agree otherwise. But the essential nature of the article remains unchanged. Considering Ickes association with Jordan Maxwell who demonstrates that the 'language' used was what decieved ---I have to admit I am rather suprised.

But it shows how the twisting of language immediately becomes a truth for people. It can be twisted any which way. However the essential natures of awareness and consciouness remain the same, so people in accepting a new language will not seek out what they percieve they are already expressing.

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Consciousness cannot go beyond what it is composed of. Which are concepts, without them consciousness would have very litttle expression. It needs language to express itself and the alteration of language is a matrix trap as Jordan Maxwell has demonstrated. It is what we make our subconscious agreements with.

We agree that tea was a meal. Did that change anything? Did all our tea bags turn into scones and clotted cream? Certainly it confuses people who have not made this agreement, the ones who are invited to tea and end up with finger sandwiches.

In knowing that consciousness and awareness are two different expressions-- no one has lost anything, one does not have to give one or the other up. It's the language and the concept that has more importance to people than the actual expression of it.

To say one is conscious while asleep is just creating yet another new language,to prop up a concept, an ida. We are then trained to think other than what we know.

Edgar Cayce became more aware when he was asleep and he was not conscious in the least of what was exchanged during this time. We know we are more aware in some altered states of consciousness. What was altered to allow the heightened awareness?

This is how humanity has been decieved making what we know into something different creating false standards for people to attempt to step up to.

We know this....then the first authority that stumbles in with a new language --we just give up what we know in favor a new language that 'seemingly' makes things what they really are not.

[gripreaper]

If I don't See YA, Good Afternoon, Good Evening...and GOOD NIGHT!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1LM7Q3Hqi4

[Jenci]

You can't change the nature of either of them simply by 'saying' or thinking they are the same thing .If Icke wants to use them interchangeably he will have a very hard time showing what he means to get over to people. He may, quite inadvertently mislead people. He can talk and tell all he wants, but he's not showing the difference between his version of conscious and contrast between consciousness and awareness. He's a creating a new language and the 100 monkeys will tell us how fast that will spread.

We are creating a new language where different things suddenly mean the same and this is not helpful to people who have been decieved over and over by the introduction of new languages created everytime we want to support a concept. This is not helpful to people who have not had the experience of multi expressions.

Icke can create a new language and he will be entertaining some correction because it's misleading.

Everyone knows they have conscious, but if they think that their conscious is their awareness they will not be prompted to seek what they think they have access to...One of the biggest matrix traps there are. To not seek out somethign because you think you have acess to it. At one time everyone in America thought they were Free because someone said so and we weren't. We didn't have access to freedom. They just created a huge language to support an idea of freedom. An idea of freedom is not freedom, nor more than Earl Grey is a meal.

Indeed the 'dangers' of allowing others to think for you.

Tea is tea. Someone made the choice, the agreement, to create a new word or language where tea was suddenly a meal. Dinner and supper are just different names for meals. Who put the gun to our head? Did we have choice to say...nah, gonna keep calling my 4 oclock meal a ...meal.

One goes to the gas station to get gas. But its not a gas that one is purchasing.

This is how the powers that be got us in the first place. We accept concepts for what they really are not. The mind makes agreements , agreements are based on language. The subconcious while unable to separate fact from fiction takes agreements and follows them to a T. (No pun intended) . Any first level hypnosis therapist could demonstrates (show) what Icke is not showing..he's telling.

So tea as a meal has become a reality for people. Because they created it. They accepted that tea was a meal, it was by their agreement to agree to this new language. The essential nature of tea as a drink is still the same. You can call it a meal if you want, you can create an alternate reality around because that is what consciousness does....but tea is still tea. A very basic primer in how 'they' used consciousness to create our own reality. We just accepted, or agreed to the change in language, until it become a reality for us. Its right there in front of our face but ...we agree otherwise. But the essential nature of the article remains unchanged. Considering Ickes association with Jordan Maxwell who demonstrates that the 'language' used was what decieved ---I have to admit I am rather suprised.

But it shows how the twisting of language immediately becomes a truth for people. It can be twisted any which way. However the essential natures of awareness and consciouness remain the same, so people in accepting a new language will not seek out what they percieve they are already expressing.

.

Consciousness cannot go beyond what it is composed of. Which are concepts, without them consciousness would have very litttle expression. It needs language to express itself and the alteration of language is a matrix trap as Jordan Maxwell has demonstrated. It is what we make our subconscious agreements with.

We agree that tea was a meal. Did that change anything? Did all our tea bags turn into scones and clotted cream? Certainly it confuses people who have not made this agreement, the ones who are invited to tea and end up with finger sandwiches.

In knowing that consciousness and awareness are two different expressions-- no one has lost anything, one does not have to give one or the other up. It's the language and the concept that has more importance to people than the actual expression of it.

To say one is conscious while asleep is just creating yet another new language,to prop up a concept, an ida. We are then trained to think other than what we know.

Edgar Cayce became more aware when he was asleep and he was not conscious in the least of what was exchanged during this time. We know we are more aware in some altered states of consciousness. What was altered to allow the heightened awareness?

This is how humanity has been decieved making what we know into something different creating false standards for people to attempt to step up to.

We know this....then the first authority that stumbles in with a new language --we just give up what we know in favor a new language that 'seemingly' makes things what they really are not.

I don't think anyone is being deceived here, 9eagle9.

We are talking about something which cannot be named. So how can we say there is a correct word for it? We can't.

I can equally say here that the PTB have kept people trapped in trying to find the right word for centuries. This is what the different religions have been arguing over (what is God, which is the right God)

It's an impossible task - there is no right word.
The words are just the signposts pointing to what it is.
When we realise this ultimate reality, we realise the words or signposts are no longer relevant.


Icke uses the word Consciousness, so do many others. I use the word Consciousness sometimes.

I think Icke gives a good message on this subject and he is reaching many people who wouldn't normally be interested in the spiritual aspect of truth seeking. Videos like the one in the OP are helping.

I shall leave this with Icke's explanation of Consciousness and how he applies it. We can note the use of small and capital letters for both consciousness and awareness to differentiate the emphasis on the word - when we are talking about God we use the capital letter.




People talk about conscious and sub conscious mind and they use phrases like 'regaining consciousness', and such like. I am using the term in a very different way, not least with a capital C to emphasise all Consciousness is one Consciousness expressing itself in infinite ways.

When I talk about Consciousness I mean the level of awareness that is eternal and infinite - our primary state.

It is All Knowing, All Possibility, Infinite One-Consciousness in awareness of itself. Everything is an expression of that One Consciousness; it has to be because that is all there is. But not everything is in the same state of awareness and, compared with Consciousness in awareness of itself, Mind is a village idiot.

It is said that self-awareness, being aware of one's own existence, is the definition of being conscious. I disagree.

Self-awareness may mean you are more aware of your own existence, but it doesn't mean that you are Conscious in the sense that I am using the term here.

Mind has self-awareness, not least through its false identity with being Ethel Brown or Charlie Smith and the 'life stories' which go with them; but if mind becomes a closed circuit, a 'closed mind', as it is with most people, it will not be truly Consciousness in the sense of eternal Consciousness, or Infinite Awareness.

It will be operating with a fundamentally limited sense of awareness, possibility and self-identity.


David Icke - Human Race Get Off Your Knees p4

Jeanette

[9eagle9]

People talk about conscious and sub conscious mind and they use phrases like 'regaining consciousness', and such like. I am using the term in a very different way, not least with a capital C to emphasise all Consciousness is one Consciousness expressing itself in infinite ways.

So ..as I suggested..you are creating a new terminology, reframing language. The difference between SELF and self?

You can call it whatever you want and you can do whatever you want. But for for those people who have not had the experience of awareness versus conscious, I'm going to make sure they know they have a choice. That when simply being 'conscious' doesn't do it for them, they will know why.

We are talking about something which cannot be named.


Why? Why can't it be named. We are all powerful and infinite, right? But we can't find a name in that all empowering infinity? Lol.

We are not looking for a name we are defining two different expressions . It already had a name before it was clumped under conscious. If we had not it clumped under one label we'd have a name for it. If the name gets pushed back under where it doesn't belong, who would know the name?

The whole point is that someone is attempting to rename it.

Somehow relabling it as 'cannot be named' is going to make the concept Icke talks about more accessible to people?

Of course it can be named. It had a name and it wasn't 'conscious' well before the new age circus of re-labeling everything began. If one sticks the name in under conscious we wonder why we can't find the name?

Does it a need a name? it shouldn't....but Sure people have been exposed to so much bull**** that if someone yet again tries to create another mystery school around this , (and I firmly do not place that creation of mystery school at Icke's feet) then the entirety of Icke's point will be ....dismissed. If someone is going to blur the lines of definition here and tamper with what doesn't' need to be tampered with, yes it needs a name.

So how can we say there is a correct word for it? We can't.

YOU can't find a more correct word because you've already slid it inder the definition of consciousness. You are insisting that conscious is the correct word. But it is evidential that the two are not the same thing. That can be proven. The unknowable, unknown name cannot . How could we if we don't know it. It's not that we don't know it, its been clumped under another definition.

This is just another facet of ourselves, its not mysterious and un-knowable but as you have done a very good job of demonstrating, its hidden in or under conscious.

If we are going to tirade against the PTB that kept matters blurred and hidden, where ' this' meant 'that' in one public codex, and 'that' meant 'this' in the established codex...... we very well should not be doing it ourselves.

Obviously it can be named, because its already been done. The new age has this concept that if it changes the name of something, something has changed. Which is why nothing seems to change, there's no progress, just belief hopping. The word light had to be changed to mean something other than what it was. And the dimensions had to be changed to accomadate the fact we are hung up in consciousness and not awareness.

Now we are changing the world conscious to make it seem interchangeable with one's awareness. For those who have done the work to shift consciousness ....hey not a problem.But those aren't people reading or viewing Icke's works. For those who have not done the work.....it's misleading.

And your right it doesn't matter, it will only lead to people who think that because they are conscious they are enabled to acces multiable expressions of themselves.So they are not challenged to dig deeper. And that just proves itself right now. People are conscious but people are not aware.

I use the word conscious all the time, but I don't use interchangeably with awareness or higher expression.

[Sebastion]

9eagle9 is spot on in what she has to say for that has been my experience as well and I back her up completely. This is the entrance to the more subtle and powerful understandings regarding consciousness. The next step regarding how powerful these more subtle understandings can be is to take notice of the focal point of your awareness or "attention". You cannot be aware of something until your attention is drawn to it in some way. Where ever your attention goes, you bring awareness as well, if you pay attention, lol!

[another bob]

Obviously it can be named, because its already been done. The new age has this concept that if it changes the name of something, something has changed. Which is why nothing seems to change, there's no progress, just belief hopping. The word light had to be changed to mean something other than what it was. And the dimensions had to be changed to accomadate the fact we are hung up in consciousness and not awareness.

Now we are changing the world conscious to make it seem interchangeable with one's awareness. For those who have done the work to shift consciousness ....hey not a problem.But those aren't people reading or viewing Icke's works. For those who have not done the work.....it's misleading.


http://www.pbase.com/1heart/image/140803132


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[9eagle9]

I get your point but one has to either work around people's belief systems or their labeling system, so just saying it has no name is ...

1) You're preaching to the choir.

2) or you can talk to the congression who has not a clue what this means until they are shown the difference.




Obviously it can be named, because its already been done. The new age has this concept that if it changes the name of something, something has changed. Which is why nothing seems to change, there's no progress, just belief hopping. The word light had to be changed to mean something other than what it was. And the dimensions had to be changed to accomadate the fact we are hung up in consciousness and not awareness.

Now we are changing the world conscious to make it seem interchangeable with one's awareness. For those who have done the work to shift consciousness ....hey not a problem.But those aren't people reading or viewing Icke's works. For those who have not done the work.....it's misleading.


http://www.pbase.com/1heart/image/140803132


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[another bob]

I get your point but one has to either work around people's belief systems or their labeling system, so just saying it has no name is ...

1) You're preaching to the choir.

That's OK, especially if it's the Cricket Choir . . . It's all like that anyway -- all our talk, it's one big song, one singer with infinite voices, all in perfectly synchronous harmony, layers and ripples of resonance and dissonance, and not a note out of place, not a whisper unheard.



2) or you can talk to the congression who has not a clue what this means until they are shown the difference.

We all have our work to do.

:yo:

[9eagle9]

Until the day we all can speak another non verbal language to each other I guess we'll have to make do by not screwing the verbal one we are currently depending on too much.

[jorr lundstrom]

They are severe mixed in the tin can, but I still know that the small cubic, orange

ones are called carrots and the small round green ones are called peas. Right? LOL

[another bob]

Until the day we all can speak another non verbal language to each other I guess we'll have to make do by not screwing the verbal one we are currently depending on too much.

Or maybe sobering up and weaning away from our dependence on it. ;)

:yo:

[Carmody]

define: "Conscious".

Aye.....there's the rub.

[Jenci]

Hi 9eagle9



You are insisting that conscious is the correct word.

No I am not saying that. This is a difficult subject to grasp so it is easy to be misunderstood.....I'll shall try again to illustrate what I am saying, hopefully it may help.




Why? Why can't it be named. We are all powerful and infinite, right? But we can't find a name in that all empowering infinity? Lol.

In the context that you have described it, we have consciousness. Consciousness can come and go and has different levels or aspects to it. All of this consciousness is seen from awareness.

So here we have two things - awareness being aware of consciousness (and everything contained in it - people, places, things, thoughts, emotions, etc etc.)

But something is prior to awareness which is not a thing - no-thing.

This no-thing cannot be named because it is prior to awareness, consciousness and everthing else. Even words arise within it, so therefore are secondary to it - what is prior to all.

Any word or a name we use is dependent on the no-thing to exist, so therefore cannot be the no-thing.
So this is why, we cannot name what we are referring to.

When a person moves beyond consciousness and awareness to realise the no-thing, then the words 'consciousness' and 'awareness', are seen as irrelevant. In other words, neither of them are more important than the other for a person to realise the no-thing. At best, all the words can do is serve as signpost, pointing to the no-thing, prior to everything.

All of us view life through filters of our conditioning, ideas, thoughts, beliefs so when a teacher introduces us to the idea of 'awareness' or 'consciousness', regardless of what our teacher means, our filters may distort the words to mean something else. There's nothing wrong in this but what it will mean is some people will resonate with the idea of 'awareness' which you talked about and get what it is about and for other people it will make no sense.......and yet the word 'consciousness' may trigger some deeper understanding for them which means they become "aware".

And this is why teachers will use many words to point to what they are talking about. It's got nothing to do with a new age conspiracy to deceive (although I am in agreement here that there is a big one!).

These words may be interchanged if necessary. For example an individual may come to a real understanding of experiencing awareness but get stuck there, so the word consciousness or nothingness or emptiness could be introduced to help them move on by getting them to the realisation that awareness is not "it", not the Ultimate Reality, so keep going.

Jeanette

[Jenci]

1st Verse - a translation from the Tao Te Ching



The Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao

The name that can be named is not the eternal name

The nameless is the origin of Heaven and Earth

The named is the mother of myriad things

Thus, constantly without desire, one observes its essence

Constantly with desire, one observes its manifestations

These two emerge together but differ in name

The unity is said to be the mystery

Mystery of mysteries, the door to all wonders


Jeanette

[Star1111]

Dear Avalonians

I know its an article from the Daily Mail but imo they do get some things right and have exposed some things of importance.........not all the time but some of the time!

So here is an article on David Icke from his soon-to-be ex-wife. Truth or fiction, I don't really care. It could be a 'story' from a woman scorned (hell hath no fury) or there could be some truth in it.

So what !! you might say.

So what indeed!! Its not important is it, but its food for thought and shows that in our human form we can all fall foul of human traits allegedly

Whether David DID or DIDN't do what is stated in the article, no matter, just thought I would share this all with you.

Much LOVE to you all.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2083287

:)

[Bill Ryan]

It could be a 'story' from a woman scorned (hell hath no fury)

It is.


or there could be some truth in it.

There is not.


Truth or fiction, I don't really care.
Maybe you should. :)

[Logan]

This looks like a real hit piece. I'm always weary of articles that are deliberately slanted against one individual without even seeking their opinions or quotes on the matter at hand.

[BestLion]

Seems they are trying to discredit him anyway they can. This aint the 1st time. They really did a smear campaign on him when he revealed info about reptilians. And low and behold what do we find in the article?

Our planet, he declared, is secretly ruled by a race of reptile-like aliens.

These reptiles, malevolent in nature, sometimes ‘shape-shift’ into human form. The Queen, for example, is a reptilian, President Barack Obama another.

Bonkers, yes. But Icke’s show in November, with tickets costing $50 (£32) a head, was a sell-out, as have been most of the other dates on his world tour, which ends in Britain later this year.

Ickes mention of Reptilians. i'd take this article with a grain of salt.
And what Icke says on reptilians should not be dismissed. They are mentioned in all lore, in all religions, and in much of history. And most people who have done DMT have seen reptilians.

[Kristin]

I have the deepest respect for Icke. I am sorry that he is going though this, however he's a tough cookie. I have little respect for someone who airs personal laundry out to dry while posing in a flouncy blue dress... Very poor taste on her part. Very sad. Perhaps he should have waited for the mauve dress after all.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

[Bill Ryan]

Seems they are trying to discredit him anyway they can. This aint the 1st time. They really did a smear campaign on him when he revealed info about reptilians. And low and behold what do we find in the article?

Our planet, he declared, is secretly ruled by a race of reptile-like aliens.

These reptiles, malevolent in nature, sometimes ‘shape-shift’ into human form. The Queen, for example, is a reptilian, President Barack Obama another.

Bonkers, yes. But Icke’s show in November, with tickets costing $50 (£32) a head, was a sell-out, as have been most of the other dates on his world tour, which ends in Britain later this year.

Ickes mention of Reptilians. i'd take this article with a grain of salt.
And what Icke says on reptilians should not be dismissed. They are mentioned in all lore, in all religions, and in much of history. And most people who have done DMT have seen reptilians.

Many people who have seen reptilians have never taken any drugs. [Mod hat on: please stop promoting this.]

***

Do listen to this impromptu recording of a conversation about reptilians between David Icke and Jordan Maxwell. I was having lunch with them, in June 2010, and happened to have my dictaphone in my pocket. I quickly placed it on the table and captured this very important witness testimony.

http://projectavalon.net/David_Icke_Jordan_Maxwell_reptilian_stories_Project_Avalon_May_2010.mp3

21 mins. MUST LISTEN. If you're not sure about the reptilian reality, you're unlikely to be in much more doubt after listening to these accounts.

[Star1111]

It could be a 'story' from a woman scorned (hell hath no fury)

It is.

Bill, its always valuable to get two sides of the story imo. No-one is perfect - well not in the human form anyway.

or there could be some truth in it.

There is not.

No-one other than the people actually in the relationship ever know the real story imo

Truth or fiction, I don't really care.
Maybe you should. :)

There are more important things for me to care about Bill and I do.

I simply sent the article for those that might be interested in David Icke and the publicity surrounding him, be it true or false.
I don't judge. Perhaps I should have made that clear rather than say "I don't really care". What I meant by "I don't really care" is ....... what people do in their private life (as long as it does not affect in a negative way humanity or the planet or others who do not concent to whatever it is they are doing) is of no real concern and not that important in the BIG scheme of things.

:)

[Kristin]

Having had my own (non drug induced) experience... long before anyone was even talking about reptilians, I would have to heartily agree with you Bill, thank you.
Wormhole

[BestLion]

Ickes mention of Reptilians. i'd take this article with a grain of salt.
And what Icke says on reptilians should not be dismissed. They are mentioned in all lore, in all religions, and in much of history. And most people who have done DMT have seen reptilians.
Many people who have seen reptilians have never taken any drugs. [Mod hat on: please stop promoting this.]
I did mention people have seen them via -non drug use..History is full of it, lore, religions, and accounts even to this day. I only mentioned DMT in relations to what Graham Hancock wrote in his book Supernatural..where they did studies on people who were given LSD and they all seen the same things while in a hallucinogenic state..and one of those were reptilians.."of which many talked"
I've never seen one myself "or maybe I have and didnt know it", but indications are compelling that many people have witnessed them.
The article is just trying to make Mr Icke look like a fool, and since most people don't believe in reptilians they more less twist it to say David Icke believe in Santa Claus. I know when David came out with the reptilian things he said it really did hurt his campaign on truth, but he knew this..and his convictions told him to do it..even if it cost him everything..Thus kudos to him!

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

My advice is not to promote the Daily Mail one bit.

This paper is a nasty, racist, dis-info spreading rag that has angered so many over the last 12 months it is unbelievable how it is still allowed to continue.
The official complaints that have been slapped on the table of the press complaints, The Senedd & The Westminster government only to be laughed at, is insulting to say the least.

An official boycott was called several months back & is fully supported by the likes of Balchder Cymru, Cymru Rydd & others.

May I suggest that others also take this stance.

[Logan]

Seems they are trying to discredit him anyway they can. This aint the 1st time. They really did a smear campaign on him when he revealed info about reptilians. And low and behold what do we find in the article?

Our planet, he declared, is secretly ruled by a race of reptile-like aliens.

These reptiles, malevolent in nature, sometimes ‘shape-shift’ into human form. The Queen, for example, is a reptilian, President Barack Obama another.

Bonkers, yes. But Icke’s show in November, with tickets costing $50 (£32) a head, was a sell-out, as have been most of the other dates on his world tour, which ends in Britain later this year.

Ickes mention of Reptilians. i'd take this article with a grain of salt.
And what Icke says on reptilians should not be dismissed. They are mentioned in all lore, in all religions, and in much of history. And most people who have done DMT have seen reptilians.

Many people who have seen reptilians have never taken any drugs. [Mod hat on: please stop promoting this.]

***

Do listen to this impromptu recording of a conversation about reptilians between David Icke and Jordan Maxwell. I was having lunch with them, in June 2010, and happened to have my dictaphone in my pocket. I quickly placed it on the table and captured this very important witness testimony.

http://projectavalon.net/David_Icke_Jordan_Maxwell_reptilian_stories_Project_Avalon_May_2010.mp3

21 mins. MUST LISTEN. If you're not sure about the reptilian reality, you're unlikely to be in much more doubt after listening to these accounts.

Phenomenal conversation..... Thank you Bill.

[Star1111]

My advice is not to promote the Daily Mail one bit.

This paper is a nasty, racist, dis-info spreading rag that has angered so many over the last 12 months it is unbelievable how it is still allowed to continue.
The official complaints that have been slapped on the table of the press complaints, The Senedd & The Westminster government only to be laughed at, is insulting to say the least.

An official boycott was called several months back & is fully supported by the likes of Balchder Cymru, Cymru Rydd & others.

May I suggest that others also take this stance.

Its not just the Daily Mail Bryn - its the media in general
I choose to read, hear and view what I want in order to make a considered opinion about what the awakened and the non-awakened are imparting.
That way I can make MY own mind up as to what is true and not true................. for me.
:)

[seantimberwolf]

The only thing to be believed about those "papers" is the price i would not even believe the date, lol
David has always resonated with me and i think many of you will agree, fact is the women in question does have a questionable past and connections and ANYONE of weak mind can become a puppet for the dark ones at anytime, the idea is repugnant to us, but we are of not weak mind friends. :cool:
They have tried to slander David since day one, but i firmly believe that David was chosen due to his fame at the time, it makes it harder to get rid of him.
And as for the Wogan incident i think it was very smart of David to do that, by going onto live television and announcing is he was challenging TPTB to call his bluff and try somthing because now the world knew, and trying to kill him would have cemented his accusations.

But i thank the universe for David and his approachable attitude towards this subject, if i am on a mission to "turn" someone to our cause i first point them in Davids direction.
Love to you David and my friends on here :wave:

[Ecnal61]

i read the article about david icke in the daily mail and within the first few lines it was apparent that it was just another uninformed character assassination.David has rattled a lot of cages and continues to expose the reality of our world to more and more people and i guess this is there way of biting back at him.for my money icke rocks.

[Star1111]

Yes Jenci, as Sherlock Holmes said to Watson, Once you remove the impossible, what you are left with however improbable must be the truth,
BTW Sherlock Holmes came from Edinburgh. He was related to my grandfather.:(

Stan

PS There is a huge statue of Sherlock in Edinburgh city centre outside the pub the Arthur Conan Doyle.


Aranuk - Sherlock Holmes is a fictional detective created by Scottish author and physician Sir Arthur Conan Doyle............... so how can he be related to your Grandfather????

sorry to go off topic

[9eagle9]

Until some creates a Carrot Cult and then the carrot will be a nugget and the peas will be a steeple.


They are severe mixed in the tin can, but I still know that the small cubic, orange

ones are called carrots and the small round green ones are called peas. Right? LOL

[Ria]

I saw T V documentary on David Icke some years ago . Which included his new wife to quite an-extent, and his first wife and children.
Now his second[soon tobe divorced] I did not like one little bit. She appeared to be pretty and sweet so my rational mind could not see what the problem was other than, I wonted to brush her away like an unwonted fly. My guts said NO.
Now Linda,[ first wife] I really did like her, there was such a good feeling about her, I was thinking what a twit for messing that up, we do not always see, how lucky we are at the time. Linda showed her self, to be very congenial, and handling a situation most people simply could not, and a good mother to boot. Linda spirit impressed me greatly, and that she was David's greatest ally, and how they worked together on their MISSON was well noted.

[truth4me]

David Icke resonates with me also. I do also believe the reptilian agenda is real and as I've stated before in previous posts that I've seen them,the reptilians and the greys, in my astral projections more then once. When I went through my bitter divorce about 14 years ago my ex-wife lied a number of times. She told people she had custody of our kids when all along I had full custody. There are 2 sides to any story but as I said David resonates with me and until he says something that doesn't resonate I'll keep listening to him.....

[Russ1959]

Awesome interview Bill, although, I will think twice now before opening my walk in wardrobe after dark!

Gave me the heebie jeebies!

[9eagle9]

It is not a difficult subject , we make it diffcult. We have to create something it..It takes five minutes to put a person in that place that you refer to by..... keeping it simple...if they are willing.

. Just put them there and let them know it.

People who are seeking something to fill the empty space inside are not going to be tempted by no-thing. Nothing. That is what they percieve they have already. That filter of no-thing is how appealing? That is filter creation on it's own. If we step back from our filters and our beliefs that no-thing that you speak of just starts expressing like one breathes. Get all this gobbedly gook crap out of the way takes the lid off.

Then no name is required for it. For one's self. We are not working in that level of expression though, we working here in the physical expression and that is why we attempt to keep our common field of perception as common as possible.

That is simply one's higher expression (above consciousness) and its all-things. All things, everything--here, now, then, in the futre and that which has been thought of. Or created.

If we squeeze into people's filters and know what they are seeking are we going to find . No-thing? That doesn't sound the least bit appealing to those who are seeking something. Nor me because my higher expression is many many things. All things.

In this vane of thinking I could call my mare a cow and perhaps I can think i can go out and milk her this afternoon. But another level of my experence, in my all things, my horse sense, tells me that chances are my physical expression will be kicked in the teeth.

I am willing to wager that we are not going to find the desire for no-thing in a lot of people. That is creating a language barrier. Then we can tell them they seeking oblvion? Conscious provides that already. Chances are we are going to find the desire to fill the empty space for some-things, then the notion of all things becomes a reality. Not a thought. This how we give people a chance, instead of raising the bar on them constantly. Access to multi levels of expression and experience beyond what conscious can think up. Just put them there and let them know it.

I know people like to be percieved as doing the impossible, and the difficult and only a 'few people can get' what everyone has.... and the unknown and mysterious but it's really not..Chances are someone has already beat us to the punch.

Of course no one is going to get it if the bar and the language is constantly being raised.

What you are referring to has already been named in various ways. The Native Canadian Cree nation called it the Before the Before. It's just an expression of one's essential nature.

We are given words for consciousness to use for our physical experience which is just one level of expression. Its not difficult or impossible. Creating more difficulty around it is what makes it difficult. Higher expression gives one the appropriate precision of speech to be able to express things that conscious mind must make up. It's unlimited, its all things, so it farily handy at finding words to make itself known. Being all things it cannot be limited and certain language barriers are not problem for it. Consciousness is a barrier it must work through. If our Conscious state is focused on beliefs, new languages to support our new thought, filters, ideas, emotional pain, mental pain, it becomes lost in all the noise. Knowing this, why do we create more?


Hi 9eagle9



You are insisting that conscious is the correct word.

No I am not saying that. This is a difficult subject to grasp so it is easy to be misunderstood.....I'll shall try again to illustrate what I am saying, hopefully it may help.




Why? Why can't it be named. We are all powerful and infinite, right? But we can't find a name in that all empowering infinity? Lol.

In the context that you have described it, we have consciousness. Consciousness can come and go and has different levels or aspects to it. All of this consciousness is seen from awareness.

So here we have two things - awareness being aware of consciousness (and everything contained in it - people, places, things, thoughts, emotions, etc etc.)

But something is prior to awareness which is not a thing - no-thing.

This no-thing cannot be named because it is prior to awareness, consciousness and everthing else. Even words arise within it, so therefore are secondary to it - what is prior to all.

Any word or a name we use is dependent on the no-thing to exist, so therefore cannot be the no-thing.
So this is why, we cannot name what we are referring to.

When a person moves beyond consciousness and awareness to realise the no-thing, then the words 'consciousness' and 'awareness', are seen as irrelevant. In other words, neither of them are more important than the other for a person to realise the no-thing. At best, all the words can do is serve as signpost, pointing to the no-thing, prior to everything.

All of us view life through filters of our conditioning, ideas, thoughts, beliefs so when a teacher introduces us to the idea of 'awareness' or 'consciousness', regardless of what our teacher means, our filters may distort the words to mean something else. There's nothing wrong in this but what it will mean is some people will resonate with the idea of 'awareness' which you talked about and get what it is about and for other people it will make no sense.......and yet the word 'consciousness' may trigger some deeper understanding for them which means they become "aware".

And this is why teachers will use many words to point to what they are talking about. It's got nothing to do with a new age conspiracy to deceive (although I am in agreement here that there is a big one!).

These words may be interchanged if necessary. For example an individual may come to a real understanding of experiencing awareness but get stuck there, so the word consciousness or nothingness or emptiness could be introduced to help them move on by getting them to the realisation that awareness is not "it", not the Ultimate Reality, so keep going.

Jeanette

[another bob]

It is not a difficult subject , we make it diffcult.

Right -- you can't use mind to grasp mind, so better instead to look at the source of confusion, which is preference, ie likes and dislikes, the chronic cycle of craving and aversion, the true disease of the mind. Really, who cares if we cuddle our low level concepts in cute costumes like "awareness", "consciousness", or "Bobo the Clown"? We are here right now experiencing dukkha, dis-satisfaction. What is the root of our dis-satisfaction? Is it a verbal confusion? No, it's a confusion of identity. We don't know what we are, and the intellect is not going to sort it out for us, because the intellect typically assures us that we are the body. A lot of good that does us. Sure, somewhere along the line, we may by Grace be granted some insight that we are more than the body, but if we get stuck trying to package that insight into some verbal category like awareness, consciousness, mind, or whatever, then we are already miles away from the truth. We need to burn up our thinking, our modes of belief, and discard all preconceptions and symbolic language games, if we truly want to taste the water for ourselves, and see if it is warm or cold, bitter or sweet.

:yo:

[9eagle9]

Yes 'we are the body' is the a top knotch trap. We are attached to things of the physical and when we become dis-satified we create new things of the body ..to eventually become disatisfied with....lol. Belief hopping, and creation of new things to keep the mind tied up. We are not are minds, though we are much greater than the mind.

So much more behind the mind.

Shamans often express their shamanism as 'losing the mind'.

My girlfriend refers to it as the back of the head place,.

If what Jenci says is true then Icke should be presenting his material to that small select set of 'in the know' people. But reality checque tells us that there are more people still in the dark because their minds are tied up in all this dis-satisfactory creation so the moment of awareness is just lost in the noise.

But clarification of mind vs awareness helps people to know what Icke is telling them. To have that expressed through them.

When a person is put into their awareness and this can be done in five minutes they then are expercieing it and are tempted to find out what more lies within and beond that present awareness. Then the higher expression begins showing them. No more teaching, or telling is necessary. Two step process. I noted in another thread kids get this so easily, snap snap snap snap. So easily they just go there, to that unfiltered place. Marvels of dimension straddling, kids are.

When that happens though, the unfilttered place takes over eventually and --spiritual teachers are no longer required :p :eek:

[another bob]

When a person is put into their awareness and this can be done in five minutes they then are expercieing it and are tempted to find out what more lies within and beond that present awareness.

Here's a quick one: Go to the link http://netinetifilms.com/ and look down at the bottom right side of the page. There is a line saying: Experience a guided meditation. Click on that bar.

:yo:

[Star Tsar]

I have the deepest respect for Icke. I am sorry that he is going though this, however he's a tough cookie. I have little respect for someone who airs personal laundry out to dry while posing in a flouncy blue dress... Very poor taste on her part. Very sad. Perhaps he should have waited for the mauve dress after all.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

Wormhole you took the words right out of my mouth!
David if you read these forums chin up you'll get through it STRONGER...

[9eagle9]

A question that may be more easily managed by taking away ..filters, beliefs, thoughts,ideas, feelings etc and tackeling that from a place of what is leftover after all those have been subtracted. Or perhaps looking at it from a standpoint of what conscious is not.

Every mother has experienced for herself the difference between knowing and thinking. Mother's intuition. And maybe that is why women have kids ...lol....to have that experience of pure knowing rather than dependance on conscious thought.

I don't like to leave men out but I can't go there (not having the current experience of masculinity) and I personally think they are a different species so the same may not apply



define: "Conscious".

Aye.....there's the rub.

[BestLion]

I have a few Q? This girl of the air force officer.if she seen a reptilian do we have photos of the door? We need evidence to prove this.I am sure reptilians are real but I cant buy into hearsay. This story i can not but think is real...too far fetched.. I need to build a case. Not to go alone by what one man says 'ran from a cafe cause someone said in his mind he is in danger" Been down that road before. Nothing in that 21 minute interview convinced me of reptilians. Zero...but i dont dismiss them..I think they are very real. And they are inter dimensional. Stories are nice but they prove very little.Real yes...but his story aint cutting it for me...
We have 6+ billion people on earth yet Mr Maxwell is one out of a billion who seen them..not here to discredit the guy but...I need more then what he 'says'that 21 minute interview did nothing for me...I need more to build a case.
With that said these reptilian race are real....too much evidence to support it...but Mr Maxwell is not the best spokesman about it.
I know a 9 year old kid here in UA that seen reptilians..and I take him as true..Mr Maxwell..I dont know..His stories dont line up with what I interviewed or have read from history.

[Earth Angel]

I love you Bill ! Well said!



It could be a 'story' from a woman scorned (hell hath no fury)

It is.


or there could be some truth in it.

There is not.


Truth or fiction, I don't really care.
Maybe you should. :)

[TargeT]

Until we learn the difference we are going to keep focusing on consciousness instead of awareness and we just pushing against that boulder. We are not able to see that difference inside of us yet. What we focus on, is what is built--consciousness expansion. What is really productive is to be getting back to awareness. Consciousness expansion creates more density for the awareness or higher expression to have to work through...to the point we barely notice it never mind noticing the difference between the two.


Excellent post!

Care to elaborate on ideas in which we can "get back to awareness"?

I am sure many of us could learn a thing or two on your enunciated distinction between "consiousness" and "awareness".



Grammar, Logic, Rhetoric.
Arithmatic, Geometry, Music, Astronomy

The seven liberal arts teach you how to think in an ordered way, its a system to FORCE awareness of reality; it is just a method to proccess information; but that's all we really do in this exsistance, proccess inputs (from our 5 known senses & the unknown sources).

Grammar is first for a very important reason, & we are seeing it played out here:

Conciousness vr Awareness

Conciousness is not a simple word, not an easy thing to understand & I don't feel that we truely do understand it fully even now

kŏn'shəs-nĭs)
n.
The state or condition of being conscious.
A sense of one's personal or collective identity, including the attitudes, beliefs, and sensitivities held by or considered characteristic of an individual or group: Love of freedom runs deep in the national consciousness.

Special awareness or sensitivity: class consciousness; race consciousness.
Alertness to or concern for a particular issue or situation: a movement aimed at raising the general public's consciousness of social injustice.
In psychoanalysis, the conscious.

http://www.answers.com/topic/consciousness

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness



Aware(ness)

(ə-wâr')
adj.
Having knowledge or cognizance: aware of the difference between the two versions; became aware of faint sound.
Archaic. Vigilant; watchful.

http://www.answers.com/topic/aware


Always start with Grammar.. the difference in concious & aware seems small at first glance; Awareness however clearly indicates decision, discernment.. comparison of duality, it represents a unit of "mental work" one could say.

Conciousness is not so really describing a proccess, more a "state of being" or "what is"... I would not call it a "unit of mental work".

anyway, there's my first brush stroke on the comparison, I'm sure it could be expanded on.

how do you become more aware? Look at what is right infront of you then decide to do something with it would be a good first step ;)


Edit:Woops, meant to hit submit on this post last weekend... haha this post is pretty out of sync with the conversation.. looks like i have some catching up todo


Edit#2:


This is how humanity has been decieved making what we know into something different creating false standards for people to attempt to step up to.

We know this....then the first authority that stumbles in with a new language --we just give up what we know in favor a new language that 'seemingly' makes things what they really are not.

This is why I think the 7 libral arts are not taught anywhere but "ivy league" schools, knowledge hidden in plain site again.

Language is a vicious trap, its our cruch for what we think is the only way (or main way) to communicate with others; I often compare German & Germany to English and the USA.

German is a very precice language & it seems to be shown in the products produced & the peoples

English is a confusing language, it doesnt really follow any rules & as soon as you find a patern you find several exceptoins for it.. and what do the english speaking people do?

the UK & america seem the perfect examples of "english"

[Black Panther]

I you are a fan of The Bold & The Beautiful you like this 'article' too.
They can't get him out of the way, but they keep trying.

There is a reaction on www.davidicke.com:
http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/58877-daily-mail-print-their-work-of-fiction-

[Jenci]

It is not a difficult subject , we make it diffcult. We have to create something it..It takes five minutes to put a person in that place that you refer to by..... keeping it simple...if they are willing.

. Just put them there and let them know it.

People who are seeking something to fill the empty space inside are not going to be tempted by no-thing. Nothing. That is what they percieve they have already.

Well this is true. I can't see how the idea of no-thing is appealing. And I can't say it took 5 minutes for me, so I will be selling it even less when I say this has taken 2 years and the process is still revealing itself, ever deepening.

2 years to get to what I already was in the first place? Sounds crazy really, perhaps it sounds like I am making it difficult but I just speak the truth as to how it has been for me.

The burning off of the stuff which was in the way has not been easy, its been very difficult at times and it has been very hard work and time consuming ....but it also has been a very beautiful experience and looking back now, I wouldn't have had it any other way.

In fact, what I know now about what I truly am, I understand that all of this was supposed to happened. I'm actually in this human body at this time to experience human existence. This is the purpose of this 'life' for me - to taste this.

As I said, it's a slow process but I am not inclined to rush it along. Perhaps I am not just ready to be Home just yet.
Jeanette

[meeradas]

2 years to get to what I already was in the first place?
Sounds crazy really, perhaps it sounds like I am making it difficult but I just speak the truth as to how it has been for me.

Yes, it sounds crazily little time to 'get it'.

Just how fortunate are you, Jenci?!

I'm in it a coupla decades now, and i still haven't 'got it'...

[says who]

[Jenci]

When a person is put into their awareness and this can be done in five minutes they then are expercieing it and are tempted to find out what more lies within and beond that present awareness.

Here's a quick one: Go to the link http://netinetifilms.com/ and look down at the bottom right side of the page. There is a line saying: Experience a guided meditation. Click on that bar.

:yo:

That's a coincidence ...or not....I was just watching this man last night.

I didn't know about that website though and the meditation. Thanks for the link, Bob.
Jeanette

[Jenci]

2 years to get to what I already was in the first place?
Sounds crazy really, perhaps it sounds like I am making it difficult but I just speak the truth as to how it has been for me.

Yes, it sounds crazily little time to 'get it'.

Just how fortunate are you, Jenci?!

I'm in it a coupla decades now, and i still haven't 'got it'...

[says who]

LOL, perhaps I have got further to go than I thought of then. Let's hope the world doesn't end this year before I get there....and I don't lose my sense of humour :)
Jeanette

[meeradas]

[...] lose my sense of humour :)

You're past the point of no return, so that's totally impossible.

[jorr lundstrom]

[...] lose my sense of humour :)

You're past the point of no return, so that's totally impossible.


Correct, when the poison has entered, thats it. LOL

[Anchor]

Until the day we all can speak another non verbal language to each other I guess we'll have to make do by not screwing the verbal one we are currently depending on too much.

This is one area where I always seem to fall on forums.

On a forum words are all we have, yet many things we try to talk about don't have good words for them - not in English anyway.

So if say you know the Sanskrit alternatives, you can try that but what is the point if most of your readers don't know WTF that means or just assume you are a pretentious, arrogant, a--hole.

Then there are those words that seem to rely on context - like "love and light" and other such words that have been layered in ambiguity (on purpose probably by you know who).

What we really need is as 9eagle9 says - telepathy. Or an appropriate DEAD language that doesn't keep frikking changing and is equipped with the necessary vocabulary.

I have had holes blown in some of my posts here and there because I was careless and assumed too much about the context factor. I don't mind so much, there is always the opportunity to clarify and learn better ways of expressing an idea.

If it was easy, it would not offer so much :)

[Anchor]

... and another thing.

This thread has been the best read for me for a long time.

I am reminded in many ways why a certain famous bloke from Nazareth chose to teach people in parables.

I mean can you imagine him on a forum?

LOL

[meeradas]

I mean can you imagine him on a forum?

Absolutely.

[another bob]

Here's a quick one: Go to the link http://netinetifilms.com/ and look down at the bottom right side of the page. There is a line saying: Experience a guided meditation. Click on that bar.



That's a coincidence ...or not....I was just watching this man last night.

At first things may seem to be coincidental, but at some point down the road, the synchronicity of unity consciousness becomes more the perception than not, and the reason for this is, our eyesight is clearing up, and we are beginning to see how things really are, but that's also where any words we could possibly cough up simply no longer apply. Moreover, that's also illusion -- just a finer aspect of the production, brought to us by our clearing eyesight. When things totally clear up, however, nobody's saying a damn thing -- the crickets are far too captivating, and we've un-said ourselves!

:yo:

[Kristin]

I just wanted to step in and say that this is a beautiful thread. Not only have I enjoyed the experience of looking into the definitions of "Consciousness and Awareness" pertaining to my own experiences of the "All", but also I have deeply respected the way that Jenci and 9eagle9 conduct themselves with each other. Each aware and conscious of the other. Graceful.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

Ps, lest I forget Another Bob! LOL ;)

[Kristin]

I have a few Q? This girl of the air force officer.if she seen a reptilian do we have photos of the door? We need evidence to prove this.I am sure reptilians are real but I cant buy into hearsay. This story i can not but think is real...too far fetched.. I need to build a case. Not to go alone by what one man says 'ran from a cafe cause someone said in his mind he is in danger" Been down that road before. Nothing in that 21 minute interview convinced me of reptilians. Zero...but i dont dismiss them..I think they are very real. And they are inter dimensional. Stories are nice but they prove very little.Real yes...but his story aint cutting it for me...
We have 6+ billion people on earth yet Mr Maxwell is one out of a billion who seen them..not here to discredit the guy but...I need more then what he 'says'that 21 minute interview did nothing for me...I need more to build a case.

Best Lion,
I understand your dissatisfaction. That would be one of the reasons that we are all here, to look for profs of what we have seen or of what we suspect. To try to connect the experiences with a tangible reference. This is very difficult when dealing with multi dimensional beings. One thing we have going for us is the ability to become multi dimensional ourselves, though this does not extend to tangible prof in the three D that we are physical in; to public extents.

Then we have to look at the evidence through examination of archeology, science, societies, black budgets, etc. It is only when we trace and examine the physical experiences of those who are communicating and are in communion with these forces that we are left to reconcile the object truth of the situation. Thus exploration of secret societies that are communicating with these entities become our best point of reference... This in it's very nature creates a dangerous experience, as these societies by their very nature do not want to be discovered and deal with objective questioning... so they create a reverberating social ridicule to all those who would get near. This psychology extends itself to the UFO phenomenon, beliefs in existence outside the body, esoteric teachings, and the like.

Thus it is by design that these profs are not witnessed by the population in general, and hence (since these subjects are all related) we are left to carry the weight of our knowledge and suspicions with us. If we choose to risk the fury of those who would keep us in the dark, we may find potential truths. I wish you well on your search and feel that you are in the right place to ask these questions.

A honourable goal of humanity would be to demand these truths be revealed. At least then we could walk into our future with the full context of knowing and be better able to create our world and manifest choices we need in our lives to live in a state of awareness of the consequences of our own actions.

From the Heart,
Wormhole

[charlesfrith]

I'm not familiar with these MP3 recordings and I've really enjoyed the last two recommendations from Bill. If anyone else has top recommendations. I' be grateful to receive your tips. (I'm most interested in the alien/ET/abduction stuff but not exclusively if it's a great interview). Many thanks. Charles/Bangkok

[Dawn]

I have had direct personal experience with 4 reptilians. The first 2 were a husband and wife team who were in the position of directors of the Berkeley Psychic Institute in San Jose, California. They appeared to be very obese and disheveled, which kept most people from looking at them for any length of time. The purpose of this organization was to support people in developing their clairvoyance. When my 3rd eye opened fully, I saw that the human bodies they wore were simply holographic mental projections. I never confronted them, I was too shocked. I left, and did not return. I don't know if they were trying to help (I've heard that some reptilians are trying to undo damage here on the planet and have the interests of humanity in mind, while others don't). They might just as well have been in a position to stop those who actually could develop clairvoyance.

After my 3rd eye opened fully, I saw quite a few things that my mind was not ready to cope with yet. A great deal of fear came up for me, and it took many years to become comfortable with what I am aware of.

Later I saw 2 psychiatric doctors who appeared to be human. They also had holographic human bodies, or were able to project that impression into the minds of the humans around them. It was my clear understanding that they used their positions to watch for those who were clairvoyant, label them as mental patients, and medicate them to shut down their ability to see.

They definitely do walk among us, just as in the movie, "They Live", however I don't know of any magic glasses that allow us to see them. It seems to take a healthy pineal, and open energy channels to awaken it, to be able to see them clearly. They look exactly like 7 or 8 ft tall lizards standing on their hind feet. It also takes a steady mind and firm control of the emotional body to be able to retain the ability to see. There is a deep desire in the human mind not to know, because the knowledge is not comforting.

One more 2nd hand story. This is from Juliet and Jiva of TheTemplate.org...... They had just hiked to the peak of a small mountain in Hawaii. At the top they met a bicycler who greeted them before riding back down the trail they came from. While meditating and enjoying the view another 'man' approached wearing the same bicycling outfit as the earlier cyclist they had spoken to. However this man did not have a bike, but was on foot, and something about him did not seem right. He began a stilted conversation that mirrored what the other cyclist had said, yet this conversation was out of place. He seemed to notice that they were not totally buying his play-pretend game, and he kept reaching down to his waist to fiddle with a machine that was strapped to a belt there. Juliet is clairvoyant and clearly saw this 'man' was actually a reptilian. Something about the box was hypnotic, and Juliet and Jiva began to walk as though under hypnosis, towards the edge of the cliff top. They both tried, yet were unable to stop their bodies from walking towards the 'man' and the cliff edge. Suddenly a black helicopter came up from below the cliff, and the reptilians in it beckoned them to get in. They were both terrified, however they had begun to mentally chant together, 'I am the light, love is my protection'. Suddenly they found themselves walking down the trail together away from the helicopter. The helicopter kept flying back and forth in a search pattern with the occupants peering carefully at the mountain where they had been. Jiva and Juliet realized, through a number of experiences on the way home, that they had somehow gone into another frequency where they could see the reptilians, yet could not be seen by them. To this day, the idea of these beings causes a deep sense of fear in them.

Also... for a number of years they lived in Bali. There in the remote villages surrounded by lush tropical growth, abduction of women is not uncommon. The Balinese say the reptilians steal them to experiment with inter-species breeding programs. A number of cross bred reptilian/human children, who are failures and deformed, are dropped off near villages by the reptilians, where the villagers care for them with compassion. Jiva and Juliet saw 2 of these half breeds and believe the story is highly plausible. Their story is contained in Juliet's book, Original Innocense: http://www.amazon.com/Original-Innocence-Juliet-Carter/dp/0970061528/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1326184066&sr=1-5

[BestLion]

Thanks Dawn for sharing this story, I enjoy to hear these, and the stories over at David Ickes site..it does help me understand more about the reptilians and build a case.
In my study of ancient history I come to the conclusion that several ancient peoples all over the world have described reptilian beings, who are often, but not always, hostile to human beings. Almost all Native American tribe refer to them also. The Hopi tell of a race who live in the ground 'Serpent Brothers". Sioux means "snakes", as another tribe, the Iroquois, means "serpents".
I think we should not dismiss reptilians. Too much about them. And they don't seem to be for us..The seem to be humans adversaries.

[Tony]

WE ARE BEYOND CONSCIOUSNESS.

Absolute truth has to stand up to the absolute closest unbiased scrutiny.
The answer that is being offered is so simple and so subtle that it is easily missed, unless you have asked questions.

The question is, “What drives those who think that they drive the planet?”
The answer is that it is the same force that drives us!
The beings who think they are in charge are being driven by the same force: it is Consciousness!

This will probably sound surprising. There are two forces in this universe - enlightened and endarkened. It's ok to call them positive and negative. The endarkened forces one could call “demons”, and they know all about consciousness. Consciousness is in all sentient beings. It is ego...it's all about clinging to me! However, this is not at all bad news, because being aware of the demons will be of help on our journey. The dark and the light forces can be made to work together, much to the dismay of the dark...they cannot help themselves.

We are Beyond Consciousness, this is where we are - naturally.

Our being has three elements to it.
It is Conscious and it is Pure.
The outcome of this unity of consciousness and purity is unconfined capacity (Compassion).
“Pure” is sometimes translated as Empty essence. This Emptiness has qualities of lucidity, and is untainted, non-fabricated clarity.

Beyond consciousness is Emptiness.
There are two truths - relative and absolute. The seeming and the real.
Consciousness is relative truth and Emptiness is absolute truth.
We have to know how to dance with these two truths.
We could say we need to learn how to utilise the negative and the positive in the universe.
That does not mean that one is right and the other wrong: it is just how it is.
It's only when we conceptually fixate on the positive and negative that judgements take place, and then we create good and bad.

The 'elite' are driven, and cannot understand Emptiness!
The proof of this lies within ourselves.
Now we have to test this out.
Consciousness is to do with being aware - aware of attraction and repulsion. It is to do with perceiver and perceived, this and that, duality. It is not Pure Perception!
The elite - and our own consciousness – are exaggerated manifestations of ego.
They cannot understand how everyone cannot want everything, because consciousness believes everything to be real.
Emptiness just has no place in conceptual mind.
When we are controlled or driven by our fixations, we too lose all sense of our pure natural state - our lucid clear light!

This is where I may sound a little unconventional...and I am slightly reluctant to suggest this...

We do not have an original thought in our heads. They have all been placed there.
However, we do have free will, and can join up the dots in our own unique way - or just let the thoughts be.
This is equivalent to analytical meditation and pure meditation. Both are necessary.

We are being transmitted to all the time, by both enlightened beings and endarkened beings.
If I were an enlightened being, I'd be wishing you enlightenment all the time and sending out silent blessings to you. There is no special 'time' - you just have to open your door, but unfortunately the door is closed because of strongly held onto concepts.
However, the endarkened messages get through because they are so seductive, telling you that you are already one with the universe, so you don't have to do anything. It's a seductive message. They want us to stay in ignorance.

Learning is painful. We have a lot to cut through, but it is not doom and gloom.
The evil that is creating fear actually helps to intensify the path and lights it up. The more seriously we take this, the more we can have compassion for everyone around us: it becomes like a symbolic teacher, and in some strange way, it also becomes less “serious” because we clearly see what is going on.

Through meditation, we learn not to react, and therefore don't conform to their mind games.
We must learn to stop holding on to the thoughts that are placed in our minds: we believe that these thoughts are 'us' – which they clearly are not.

Remember: empty essence cannot be destroyed. No thing can have an effect on emptiness.

Once we experience the spaciousness and confidence of what we truly are, we start to become healthy human beings who can empathise with how others might feel, because we have all been there.

Meditation and a clear quiet mind is the key to knowing.
Concepts cannot be eliminated with another concept.
We are beyond consciousness.


All the best
Tony

[ponda]

Documentary from David Icke from when he visited the Occupy Wall Street movement recently.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99nvx3m2fbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99nvx3m2fbQ

[Unified Serenity]

wrong thread, sorry

[Sebastion]

Tony,
You will never know how truly grateful I am that I didn't "know" what you have said here, before starting my journey 35 years ago! Most everything you have said here is true-in so far as it goes. Your definition and my definition of consciousness differ completely, which is fine by me. However, if you look at everything you have said, it becomes obvious that you are addressing only the great impersonal masculine/feminine mind of the One-mind only! You have not gone beyond "mind", thus you perceive empty essence is the end of all. Imhe, you have arrived at half the truth. You are apparently unaware of the great Central Heart of the One which is beyond Mind. It is the Heart of One from which all issues forth. Don't take my word for, go see for yourself!
I really really wish we lived next door to each other as we would have such lively conversations, lol!

[ljwheat]

Great post Ponda, From OWS, china square, to your own home town, education of the masses is continuing to spread far and wide.
In my heart I feel this movement needs to spread out, or spill out of the parks into the streets surrounding the parks at first, then expand to the corners, of major intersection, then expand down the street from corner to corner Occupy the city. Up and down each street, go home at night get a shower, get some sleep, get up and do it all over again.
Not stay in a little ball confined to a park, a pin the police can control and watch over. Spread out up and down the streets out of everybody’s way but were everybody see the people and can read the signs when they stop for a street light.
Make your own OWS sign plant it in your front yard, Nabors to Nabors, --- stuck in a park ? Marches are fine. But it’s still not spreading out.
You get a sour throat (it’s in the park) next day you’re in bed sicker that ****. (It’s moved into the whole city) They are trying to stop the sour throat. It has to spread to the rest of the body to put it to bed. Then take away the medication (unplug from the grid) sending it into pneumonia. Then total non compliance (pulling the plug on the life support machine.) it dies.
As long as OWS stays just a sour throat the police will always be the cough drops. And nice worm scarf around OWS neck. IT HAS TO WAKE UP AND SPREAD!
They manufacture AID’s, we need to return the favor and give them Pneumonia. A lethal and incurable just like AID’s. Namaste

[Tony]

Tony,
You will never know how truly grateful I am that I didn't "know" what you have said here, before starting my journey 35 years ago! Most everything you have said here is true-in so far as it goes. Your definition and my definition of consciousness differ completely, which is fine by me. However, if you look at everything you have said, it becomes obvious that you are addressing only the great impersonal masculine/feminine mind of the One-mind only! You have not gone beyond "mind", thus you perceive empty essence is the end of all. Imhe, you have arrived at half the truth. You are apparently unaware of the great Central Heart of the One which is beyond Mind. It is the Heart of One from which all issues forth. Don't take my word for, go see for yourself!
I really really wish we lived next door to each other as we would have such lively conversations, lol!

Dear Sebastion,
When I get there I'll let you know, if you get there first you can let me know!

Are you talking about God?
If so, I am talking about the very nature of God.

Emptiness = Pure, meaning beyond characteristics... how can one be purer than pure?

Yes, the manifestation of that purity is infinite love.

Yes, one day my heart will be fully open.

Love as best I can,
Tony

[Sebastion]

Methinks it's time for a pm my friend!

[ThePythonicCow]

There are more important things for me to care about Bill and I do.

I simply sent the article for those that might be interested in David Icke and the publicity surrounding him, be it true or false.
I don't judge.
You choice entirely what to judge, and whether to judge ... for yourself.

We encourage posters to this forum to judge the value of what they post, and to post what is of value. Random distractions are ... distracting. Our choice :).


I only mentioned DMT in relations to what Graham Hancock wrote in his book
If the only reason you mention drugs in a positive light (aka "promoting" them) is because of something Hancock wrote in a book, then perhaps you won't mind following the forum guidelines and not continuing to promote them, as you've done in over a dozen posts now.

[Lochinvar]

Thank you for your post (#24) Dawn. Are you able to say how often you see them in the general populace (maybe in percentage terms)? Do they ever know that you see them?

[Star1111]

Paul - as I said in my earlier post ............ I don't judge.

I'm sorry that you felt the post was a 'random distraction' and of course you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that. Imo it is best to know what all sides are saying. Knowledge is power and power is best used when used with LOVE and consideration.
:)
Freedom of speech and thought is important imo.

[Seikou-Kishi]

It's unfortunate that Pamela Richards doesn't have the decency and integrity not to air her dirty linen in public.

[Ria]

Dawn, I like, I AM THE LIGHT LOVE IS MY PROTECTOR..........

[Referee]

Seems they are trying to discredit him anyway they can. This aint the 1st time. They really did a smear campaign on him when he revealed info about reptilians. And low and behold what do we find in the article?

Our planet, he declared, is secretly ruled by a race of reptile-like aliens.

These reptiles, malevolent in nature, sometimes ‘shape-shift’ into human form. The Queen, for example, is a reptilian, President Barack Obama another.

Bonkers, yes. But Icke’s show in November, with tickets costing $50 (£32) a head, was a sell-out, as have been most of the other dates on his world tour, which ends in Britain later this year.

Ickes mention of Reptilians. i'd take this article with a grain of salt.
And what Icke says on reptilians should not be dismissed. They are mentioned in all lore, in all religions, and in much of history. And most people who have done DMT have seen reptilians.

Many people who have seen reptilians have never taken any drugs. [Mod hat on: please stop promoting this.]

***

Do listen to this impromptu recording of a conversation about reptilians between David Icke and Jordan Maxwell. I was having lunch with them, in June 2010, and happened to have my dictaphone in my pocket. I quickly placed it on the table and captured this very important witness testimony.

http://projectavalon.net/David_Icke_Jordan_Maxwell_reptilian_stories_Project_Avalon_May_2010.mp3

21 mins. MUST LISTEN. If you're not sure about the reptilian reality, you're unlikely to be in much more doubt after listening to these accounts.

A short video about a Reptilian base found under Cairo

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[BestLion]

Referee, that video claims the reptilians seen had tails, Ive heard from others that they were tailless. Could their be a few races of these reptilians?

If the only reason you mention drugs in a positive light (aka "promoting" them) is because of something Hancock wrote in a book, then perhaps you won't mind following the forum guidelines and not continuing to promote them, as you've done in over a dozen posts now.
OK, no problem. sorry about that.

[Hamish]

Video of a taxi driver. Music over the audio. Pictures of a holiday in Egypt. I do not think this confirms or leads to a possibly Jinn City as 313Today might wish us to think.




A short video about a Reptilian base found under Cairo

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[Bluewool]

January 8, 2012

My dear, there is a lot of confused thinking in your world just now. Some of it is deliberately placed to confuse you. Not all Spirit is of the Light. Some give themselves grand names; some use names that are familiar to those who believe that they are channeling their relatives or those they trust. Every trick in the trade will be used to cause distrust and confusion so that the Cabal can maintain overall control. Remember that they are desperate to hold on to their power. They have lived off humanity, and humanity has suffered such deprivation because of this. It is only when you return to Spirit that you can see the extent of the suffering caused by such greed.

Everything had to be in place before we attempted the rescue plan. As you know, things change from day to day, making it difficult for us to give exact timings, etc. You know from the information constantly arriving, that there is an excitement on both sides of life. We are proceeding with our plans of revelation and restitution. As we used to say as children, "The cat is out of the bag. It can no longer be controlled". Truth is being revealed every day from different sources around your world. There is so much yet to uncover so that Man understands just who and what destroyed your world and controlled his life, causing so much deprivation in a world of plenty. Man will demand answers. He is entitled to do so. It will not be easy for those who are not yet awake, but we must proceed. We cannot wait forever for those who are afraid to step out of the mind-control. Veronica, I share your excitement when you receive so much new evidence from Ireland. Yes, they are waking up. They are learning that if they ask for information, it will be given to them. The more they ask, the better it will be for those who still believe what the Vatican taught them: that they are NOTHING; that they will never amount to anything; that they are all sinners. Because actually, they were full of Light.

The Vatican put so much effort into destroying this Light. They were raped, buggered and beaten mercilessly to destroy them completely. They did not stand a chance. The Vatican controlled all. The crime against the Irish people surpasses all others. It is important that the Government of Ireland, especially Mr Kenny, learns what we have planned to restore the energy and to re-energise all the sacred sites that are so important to your world. This has to be the first step in returning your world to light; everything will follow from this. For it is in Ireland that the DESTRUCTION of your world started. Everything followed from that. Yes, dear, the ancient druids are actively involved in this. Some have reincarnated, some work from this side of life to prepare planet Earth for the Golden Age. You know that archaeology refutes the history of the false Bible. There is nothing in the Sinai desert to support the story of the Egyptian Exodus. Facts are facts and they have to be faced. It is time for every one of you to know who you are and to learn to be who you are, in a world where love and justice is restored and all men live in peace.

I know that it is not possible for you to physically see what is being done. We would lose the element of surprise if we disclosed our plans. We need your support, we need you to come together in light and love. Refrain from criticising others who take a different path. They will get there, eventually, though they may need help in time.

There will be unavoidable natural disasters, but be aware that the Dark Cabal are planning "atrocities" and "attacks" to create alarm and push many back into their control system. The Olympics will provide an audience as all eyes will be on them. It will be used to stage such attacks. We are watching them and will endeavour to be one step ahead of them. They will go for it, they know they have nothing to lose. Their contempt for the ordinary man is disgusting. They forget that without the support of the ordinary man they could not survive. When all the information is out in the open, you will be shocked and horrified to see how a few EVIL individuals were able to take over your world.

Every day in every way, invite the truth to reveal itself. You may be surprised at what you will find. Remember the old adage, Ask and you will receive. Seek and you will find. Knock and it will be opened to you. This is the time to ask.

Those who speak the truth and assist others to open to the light are being attacked, yet again. This has happened throughout history. It is what they do. They are attacking David Icke yet again. If he was not such a threat to them, they would not bother with him. Men of truth have always been attacked but it does not work anymore. But the Cabal are creatures of habit. The old formula is used every time. Fortunately, people do not fall for it anymore. It will not touch a hair of his head. People have learned to recognise truth when they hear it. This only reveals their sense of desperation. It says more about the Cabal than it does about Icke. He will survive, his work goes on, he is fulfilling his purpose.

This is a time of learning for all of you as you open your minds to the truth. Learn to dispense with all your parents and teachers taught you. It will be exciting for you to trace the real history of your world. You will see certain countries in a completely different light. You will find the power of thought very exciting when you learn just how powerful you are, and what you are capable of, when you become fully conscious. Everything in your world will change. You will see for the first time how beautiful your planet is. Fear will have no place in it. There will be no reason for fear anymore. You have never known real freedom, though it is much talked about. People have fought wars for it but few have ever experienced it. The real freedom they crave will come when the Cabal is removed. It will come !

I say to Ireland . . . it is time to wake-up. Many countries are waking up to what can, and will, be. Your world is coming together. Forget the manipulated differences of the past. You have but one enemy - the Dark Cabal - they want you to stay as you are, always there to serve them. Your biggest problem will be accepting that all you had learned and believed is LIES. This is something that each of you has to deal with in your own way. We are always there to help whenever asked to do so.

Tell Rupert [Rupert Sheldrake] he is so right. Everyone is psychic. They just do not recognise that they are. But they will soon. It will become the norm. I looked at his new book. It will help people to understand that it is the common thread that binds all mankind together. Please give Rupert my regards. He is much admired and respected on this side of life also.

My dear, you have a busy week ahead of you. Worry not, I will be there. You are at the beginning of a whole new cycle for your planet. There are exciting times ahead . . .

I remain your adoring husband, Monty.


Rupert Sheldrake's new book

THE SCIENCE OF DELUSION; FREEING THE SPIRIT OF ENQUIRY
www.sheldrake.org or call 0843 382 0000. Price: £16.


Website: The Montague Keen Foundation

[Earth Angel]

love this message......being from Ireland especially so!

[Black Panther]

"Infinite love is the only truth everything else is illusion"

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[Black Panther]

David Icke showing Secret Societes symbolism in the neighbour of Saint Peter's Square

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[Kristin]

Best Lion,
One of the Reptilians that I saw had a tail. Two others didn't. I would imagine this appearance could be due to genetic diversity. Also the skin or scale tone was different as well.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

[jp11]

The song at the end is certainly worth it...we are all one.

Bump.

Thank you Black Panther.

[CeltMan]

Hi Bill

Interesting audio info.

I had heard a couple of years back some rumours about Heath, and the Gurnsey pedaphilia scandal, international millionare yatchsmen etc

But not about his being a reptilion, makes sense though from what we know about their 'modus operandi' & 'appetites/procivities' etc

I actually sat about 4 rows back from Heath, when he was P.M.
It was at a 'Chinese Martial Arts Opera' performance in London. (very precise 'dramatic dancing display with real sharp swords')

I spotted him, nudged my wife, and as I pointed him out he turned to look at us.

Cannot say he 'morphed into a reptalian' though.

Being heavily into martial arts myself, at the time, and being 'defence consious', it struck me the lack of security surrounding Heath.

On the subject of 'morphing' though.

Several years back, I was at a lecture being held in a ballet studio.

In the coffe break, I was standing talking to 2 friends, when I happened to glance at the lecturer in the mirror.

His face appeared TOTALLY DIFFRERENT!

I drew my friends attention to this, they agreed, we also looked at our own reflections, they were ok--just HIS was different.

Very bizarre.

He was by the way, a very interesting, humerous, intelligent man.

[Cidersomerset]

Don't know if this has been posted, cannot find it.I've not seen it before just about to.....

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Cheers ..Steve

[nf857]

This is totally a case of a women scorned, David Icke is a kind,sensitive,gentle man, & has never been paranoid, maybe all of his information can't be trusted no, but he doesn't say his beleifs should be yours, he tells you to do your own research, however do you really think if somebody has got the confidence to stand up on stage in-front of hundreds of people, he would be this paranoid? No he wouldn't, he would not be able to talk with thousands of people if he beleived we were all reptilian races, thats just something his ex-wife has said to get at him, as shes obviously not getting the settlement of his hard earned money that she has hoped for? She probably was a money digger x

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks David that was absolutely electric....Got me buzzzzzzzzzzzzzing................especially the behind the scenes build up to his talk...

Also his tour around Rome......and all the symbolic information and comparisons with London & washington and the ancient gods of Babylon
and Eygpt and the idiotic rituals still used to control us.. I also liked his modest hotel room and little tele and private porto loo..lol

and the Daily Mail were trying to make out he is only in it for the money....They make me sick...


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[ExHaLaTiON]

Thank you Cidersomerset for this vid, I really enjoyed it.

[Camilo]

I like his sense of humor, in spite of everything else.

[Camilo]

It sounds like yellow tabloid BS all the way. BTW, I don't see anything interesting in the article.

[Unified Serenity]

I like this video with Icke; however, from my study of history he has made the same mistake other astro theologists have made trying to equate the Messianic miracle story to earlier pagan religions when the only documents that support such aspects of those religions come from after 150 A.D. so if anyone was trying to copy anyone it was the other way around. Now, as for Christianity being set up from the beginning as part of the ploy of the elites, I have to agree with that.

Christianity did not begin truly until it was codefied in 325 Ad, and it certainly was used to take over vast areas of land and control the people and absorb pagan religions thus bringing everyone under a nice big unbrella of "faith" and lots of money power to the priests and royalty as they supported one another's wars. The true Messianic path was one of freedom, love, healing, joy, patience with one another, and no usury. That of course would not do, oh no no no, never would that be allowed to stand, so the truth was supplanted and the New World Religion was unveiled. It has run it's course, needed to be taken down a LOT so the next phase could begin anew. Thus for forty some years we have seen this concerted effort to destroy Christian faith, the traditions, and to remove it from our culture as an acceptable way for people to gather on special holidays within the faith.

It's gone just as planned, and all is going according to their timetable.

So, Icke is mostly right, but he too plays into the 10% lie. I don't think he is doing it on purpose, but it's a broad brush he is using, and it's understandable given how Christianity was used throughout the ages to be the bully and controlling force, much as America has been used to be the bully and controlling force of the world. Just be very careful your race and country are not on the wrong side in the end because they have a nice solution for you as well. Any black members better watch out because you are particularly hated by this crazy group of elites, just watch Maafa 21.

They use you for votes now, but when you have run out our usefulness you will either be the lowest slaves or dead at the hands of those whom you've been encouraged to hate the most. I wish none to die, but for all to wake up to the truth of how bad the plan is, how beautiful their solutions will be, and how terrible the suffering will eventually be once it is fully in place.

[Enquiring1]

Why would you go to a news paper to talk about your marriage? what is your motive?

No sale.

[Mulder]

Pamela Leigh Richards sure sounds like a nasty piece of work. She reminds me a great deal of Heather Mills. She isn't doing herself or the world any justice with her attitude. I saw David Icke in Auckland in Decemebr 2011 & I thought he was stressed out, now I know it must be due to his divorce. Shame it's happening now for him as we're into 2012. I wish him all the best.

[Cidersomerset]

I agree Camilo thats one of his strengths seeing the funnyside after all the trials and tribulations he has gone thru to get his message out
over the past 20 odd years.....He's a plain speaking common man no 'airs and graces' that most people can relate to after they get past the
bad press he had in the early 1990's......Steve..

[ktlight]

"thanks to every soldier and all other people waking up to the horrible death-care governments.."

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[grapevine]

Great video ktlight - it needs to be shown on every TV and every cinema screen in the world . . .

[Cidersomerset]

David set for biggest event of its kind Oct 27th 2012....

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/59452-the-biggest-event-of-its-kind-ever-staged-anywhere-in-the-world-david-icke-at-the-wembley-arena-london-in-2012-

[Cidersomerset]

Found this on Davids site ,it the trailer for the above vid quite powerfull...

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[taliesin]

Hi All, I have watched this and am quite surprised that he doesn't comment even at the end about the killing of OBL. His killing, it seesm to me, was the third and vital part of this Beltane ritual, the blood sacrifice with the alchemical marriage and the beatification. When I heard OBL killed I was almost stunned to see this ancient ritual of kingmaking played out so blatantly. Anyone else got any thoughts on this? xT

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Taliesin the vid was filmed on the the weekend of the royal wedding 1st of may and 'Bill Laden' was 'assasinated' on the 2nd May and although the footage would have been taken ,it could
have been added easily....I don't think he believed it was Bin Laden who was killed has he as often said he died years before....So may not of felt the need to mention ???
The date has probably got some ritual significance even if his death was faked......

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He deffinately thinks the assasination was a staged fake.......Steve

[Black Panther]

Don't know if this has been posted, cannot find it.I've not seen it before just about to.....

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Cheers ..Steve

Thank you Steve for the video. Really enjoyed it. I posted a small part
of it earlier. Didn't know it was part of a bigger one.

It has everything a good movie / video need.
A good story line, humor, tension, good actors.

The only difference is this is reality :wink:

[Mandala]

I always find David Icke interesting.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC7Qg2XwGdw&feature=g-u&context=G2ad7f55FUAAAAAAADAA

[StephenW11UK]

David Icke, with a few friends, at his very best.

David Icke - We think we are Humans. YouTube

[StephenW11UK]

You'll find ths on YouTube:

David Icke - We think we are Humans.

[wolf_rt]

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[Cidersomerset]

Yes its powerfull stuff......

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/2010-02/beltane.jpg

[seantimberwolf]

Hi guys just a quick one,
Who is going to David's new show in October, i really want to go and just want to get a feel for it, in terms of how many from here will attend and whats the feeling about this one,
As it states on his sight, "who knows where we will be by October"!
And that is exactly what I'm excited about, but for some reason it being at Wembley seems so NORMAL, is it just an amazing sign that our message is really starting to sink into the minds of the sleepers, i hope so! :flame:
So any thoughts fellow Avalonians?

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[Black Panther]

David Icke Newsletter preview
THE ELEPHANT IN THE LIVING ROOM ...

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... AT WAR WITH THE WORLD
The David Icke Newsletter Goes Out On Sunday

Well, how blatant, how in our face, does it have to be before the elephant on the sofa is
acknowledged for what it is? Rothschild Zionism is leading the world into yet another war
and this time with the serious potential to explode into a third global conflict - what they
have long sought to engineer.

I refer to Zionism as 'Rothschild Zionism' to constantly expose who created this expression
of undiluted evil and who controls it to this day - the House of Rothschild. The secret society
called Zionism was not created for the benefit of Jewish people, but to use them as a cover
to pursue the merciless annexation of Planet Earth. Many and increasing numbers of Jewish
people can now see this. They have been 'had' on a monumental scale. The first Rothschild Zionist
Congress was in Basel, Switzerland, in August 1897, but not many realise that it was originally due
to take place in Munich, Germany.

It had to be relocated because of opposition from Jewish people in Germany who did not want to be
shipped off to Palestine, as per Rothschild Zionist agenda. They were doing fine, thanks, so go away
and take your silly idea with you. But little more than 30 years later the Rothschild-engineered and
Rockefeller-Harriman-Bush-funded Nazi Party came to power in Germany and began to target the
German Jewish population and those in other countries. Vast numbers of Jewish people left Germany
and Europe in general as a result of this abomination and headed for the United States and ...
Palestine.

Thanks to the Nazis, the Rothschild Zionist leadership got its way. Coincidence? Not a chance ...
... Once the State of Israel had been bombed and terrorised into existence a long list of Rothschild
Zionists were relocated to especially the United States so their children would be born as American
citizens. These children are the Rothschild Zionists that dominate the American government and its
agencies today. Among them is Rahm Emanuel, Obama's White House Chief of Staff in the crucial
years after his election, and now Mayor of Chicago. Emanuel's father openly boasts that he was a
member of Irgun, the Rothschild Zionist terrorist organisation, before he headed to the US to
produce his offspring.

Rothschild Zionism now controls the United States government and Congress in general via front
organisations like the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, a massive lobby group representing a
foreign power and widely known as AIPAC. This is why Obama said in his State of the Union address
of pure fantasy this week: 'Our iron-clad commitment to Israel's security has meant the closest
military cooperation between our two countries in history'.

Read: 'We do whatever they say.'

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[jackovesk]

Saturday, 28 January 2012 13:27

The Interviews were shot in November and aired this month, causing a large number of people who had never heard this information to look at the world anew.

David starts talking at 1.56.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvlVU8ey-Oc&feature=player_embedded&list=PL814E9F2B10193D27
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvlVU8ey-Oc&feature=player_embedded&list=PL814E9F2B10193D27

David Icke Talking About Multiple Subjects in the Second Croatian Programme - From the Second 'Death' of Osama bin Laden to Smart Meters, 'Green' Light Bulbs and HAARP
David starts talking at 2.33.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZIMUCXaC3Y&feature=player_embedded&list=PLA1E91C0F3BE39712
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZIMUCXaC3Y&feature=player_embedded&list=PLA1E91C0F3BE39712

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/60212-david-icke-speaking-for-two-hours-on-mainstream-croatian-television

[ktlight]

David Icke and an invaluable message, with Alan Watts and Terance McKenna.

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[Tarka the Duck]

Yippeee!! Lovely to see you!!! Thanks for the vid.

[ktlight]

"Absolutely beautiful David is an Angel, straight to the truth no new age illusions
5Dshapeshifter116 "

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[ktlight]

"David Icke talks about the nature of reality ( extract ) to Margi Clarke.
Produced by www.logicreality.co.uk Davids new book 'Remember Who You Are' available from www.davidicke.com"

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[Antithesis]

I respect David's courage, I know it has been more then 21 years ago where people of awakened minds and hearts shared their visions.

For Example:

Nearly 60 years ago in 1944 Peter Deunov shared this.

"Your present life is a slavery, a heavy prison. Understand your situation and liberate yourself from it. I tell you this: exit from your prison! It is really sorry to see so much misleading, so much suffering, so much incapacity to understand where one's true happiness lies.

Everything that is around you will soon collapse and disappear. Nothing will be left of this civilization nor its perversity; the entire earth will be shaken and no trace will be left of this erroneous culture that maintains men under the yoke of ignorance. Earthquakes are not only mechanical phenomen, their goal is also to awaken the intellect and the heart of humans, so that they liberate themselves from their errors and their follies and that they understand that they are not the only ones in the universe.

Our solar system is now traversing a region of the Cosmos where a constellation that was destroyed left its mark, its dust. This crossing of a contaminated space is a source of poisoning, not only for the inhabitants of the earth, but for all the inhabitants of the other planets of our galaxy. Only the suns are not affected by the influence of this hostile environment.

This region is called "the thirteenth zone"; one also calls it "the zone of contradictions". Our planet was enclosed in this region for thousands of years, but finally we are approaching the exit of this space of darkness and we are on the point of attaining a more spiritual region, where more evolved beings live.

The earth, the solar system, the universe, all are being put in a new direction under the impulsion of Love. Most of you still consider Love as a derisory force, but in reality, it is the greatest of all forces! Money and power continue to be venerated as if the course of your life depended upon it. In the future, all will be subjugated to Love and all will serve it. But it is through suffering and difficulties that the consciousness of man will be awakened."

To read more the link is here
http://www.angelfire.com/oh2/peterr/ProphecyOfPeterDeunov.html

[Star Tsar]

Margi Clarke?
What an odd combo!
I love David he's awesome.
:o

[Black Panther]

This article is original posted on 4 December 2011,
but I can't find it on the forum:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/8933565/David-Icke-would-you-believe-it.html

So he was for two hours on mainstream Croatian television:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39555-David-Icke-Speaking-For-Two-Hours-On-Mainstream-Croatian-Television..-&p=414010&highlight=david+icke#post414010
and on the website of the British Telegraph.

And he had his World Tour of course. So he reached a lot of people lately!

I still like this one:
“They all think I’m mad, you know,” he said, to laughter from the devotees seated in the dark conference hall. “But imagine being called sane in a world of such insanity? What a nightmare!”

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Blackpanther.............Harriot Alexander...Well that was a remarkably balanced piece,even though I senced a touch of disbelief..LOL..

I have posted the Croation interview on one vid earlier, its a great interview......Steve

[seko]

Thanks for posting the article from the Telegraph Black Panther, David Icke has gone through hell and back and his got the last laugh!!

[ktlight]

"Brilliant video. Well done!
Truth is: The People ARE the Law! 'WE' as citizens ARE the collective deciding body of any agenda, regardless of HOW many assholes vote for whatever. We have been, and ARE the Final established body of a free society based on our willingness to act responsibly and fairly, which we always have done as a people. Corporations are KILLING you, maiming you in the name of Profits. You'd kill to save your family from harm & WE are ALL that 'Family!!~
transientdreams 1 hour ago"

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[andrewgreen]

An absolute legend. Just speaks the truth, never tries to develop suspense just says what he feels. A key sign to look for when deciding if some is genuine.

[Cidersomerset]

Howard Hughes on the Unexplained radio show interviews David...
He does a news job in London so its interresting to hear the exchange
another very good David icke interview......


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cheers steve...

[Elandiel BernElve]

Thanks, I made it go viral on my facebook

[Peace of Mind]

An excellent vid, I'm just a little confused to why it's not getting much attention...hmmm

This is what I’m talking about. We only suffer because we allow the suffering. Only US/WE give power to any laws placed upon us. When we actually act upon our collective voice of saying “Enough is enough” only then will true change come about. How else do you think it will happen, I mean really? It's disheartening seeing self proclaim realist wishing on a Fairy tale ending...

When we keep pretending that things will get better without our individual efforts… we will all continue to suffer. I/we suffer because others are too scared to live. I/we suffer because way too many people are pretenders when they can easily be the real deal. Action speaks louder than words…no matter what the language is.

The elites maintain power by keeping us in check, keeping us talking instead of walking. They succeed simply by keeping the masses in fear and divided. They keep us in check by boosting our egos…making us envious, competitive, intolerable and angry beings. They successfully reign by keeping us from respecting, appreciating and striving with one another. As long as we remain divided and stagnate…they will never lose control, NEVER!! How can they if the people (who actually have the power) hesitate to do what’s right? A disempowered soul will always turn the other cheek. Take back your power and live life the way it was meant to be lived. We so deserve this...

Thanks for this vid, I'll be archiving it and spreading around.

Peace

[Cidersomerset]

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[winston smith1971]

Pepsi or coca-cola the same thing just different brand names...Ickie is right again. Cheers Steve excellent vids as usual will watch first one later but the Rense show one is brilliant full of truth as usual.

[Tony]

This so important, but are people on this site, constantly being distracted by UFOs, alien spaceships, moon buildings....?

What is important is what is going on under the nose....and in the mind!

Yours a little frustrated,
Tony

[ktlight]

"illuminati, all seeing eye, "american idol" "x factor" "music industry" exposed, entertainment, media ,subliminals, "mind control" mk ultra, masonry, stars, eminem, kanye, jay z, beyonce, rihanna, chris brown, nwo, 666, music"

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[ktlight]

"sick insane and evil goverments need
sick insane and evil .gimps in service."

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[Cidersomerset]

I understand your frustration pie'n'eal and the manipulation of the world is more effective than ever.....

At its core TPTB have seen uprising and rebelion since they took control eons ago and manipulate
whoever comes to power as they are in positions of influence thru subsidiary blood lines...
We are manipulated everywhere, White Hats ,Black Hats, Blue Hats beneath them is usually
a agent of corruption and power of somekind...

The distractions of the population is what they count on and they have hit jackpot in the digit
age with media dumbing down and the potential for mass observation and controll,
under the pretexts of false flags like 9/11 etc and fear of everything more or less...
As you say on sites like this there are many distractions, but I don't find it a distraction
as such as its opening up peoples eyes to all possibilities imho...

Ideally we would raise the whole worlds conciousness overnight have no war,
remove political dogma , rivalries and jealousy and focus on several main areas
real education, health care, eradicating starvation, poverty , social injustice which
would have a drastic effect on crime, localise more decision making, free energy etc.

All these goals and more every human being on the planet would aspire to
and those that do not cannot be human imho....The problems as you know
is awkening everyone to the blindingly obvious, not by violence as that has
been one of their main weapons but a paradyme change.Ironically the mass
mind control weapon they are using to dumb us down...... thanks to the web
has also awoken many and enabled us to express our view and thru visionaries like
David who has been connecting dots, we have a picture of the manipulation
that only the elites enjoyed in the past.......

This is deffinately the time for benevelent ET's if they are out there monitoring
to make their presence known publically, so all the petty differences used by
the TPTB to divide,rule, controll everthing thru banks,corporations and puppet
politicians can be exposed and overnight i would hope mankind would realise there
must be a better way!! ...Also frustrated Steve

http://www.startrek.com/legacy_media/images/200511/mov-008-vulcan-first-contact/320x240.jpg
First Contact....

( obviously beware of False Flags)......

[Elandiel BernElve]

I pressed teh thanks button too quickly, it could have been a great vid but it's a bit chaotic and non in depth. The whole MK ultra in the middle is definately the piece where people will stop watching..

[truth4me]

When I really first started awakening I often wondered why certain people were stars and others weren't. I couldn't figure out how in the world people could come up with certain lyric's of songs and such.

Then I would come upon on information like this video in my research and the dots would connect. David Bowie was one of the first Illuminati IMHO rock stars that I followed as a kid and some of his music I still listen to BUT I keep it in it's place. If you go back to 1973 his album "Aladdin Sane" has Bowie with a muti colored lighting bolt over his right eye and face. I seen Lady Gaga with the same pattern over her eye in a picture.

[GaelVictor]

"Milk for babes, meat for strong men'' as the ageold adagium goes. Everyone needs their particular food to grow at every stage.
There should by now be enough ''strong men/women'', so i wouldn't worry about the '' babes'' too much ;) they will join up sooner or later.

[Cidersomerset]

Yep Icke is spot on this with his analysts of the current possible situation, did you see the other vid I put up
where he is on Croation TV a couple of weeks ago ....

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[ktlight]

"David Icke speaks about the Reptilains and the moon. He explains how accient African legend speaks of the moon being an egg which was rolled across the heavens and when it arrived humanity went crazy. It is obvious the physical effect that the moon has on human beings and the planet at large.

David Icke also references the similarity of the story in the film "avatar" and how this closesly relates to the truth of what has taken place on the planet with the Reptilians arriving with their high technology, but low spiritualility to take over the human population on Earth. The moon marix, David suggests, is reponsible for the hacking into this reality"

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[ktlight]

well worth the viewing

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[ponda]

well worth the viewing

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Nice one KT

cheers

[mona]

Love David
What a man!!...what a heart!!

[winston smith1971]

I understand your frustration pie'n'eal and the manipulation of the world is more effective than ever.....

At its core TPTB have seen uprising and rebelion since they took control eons ago and manipulate
whoever comes to power as they are in positions of influence thru subsidiary blood lines...
We are manipulated everywhere, White Hats ,Black Hats, Blue Hats beneath them is usually
a agent of corruption and power of somekind...

The distractions of the population is what they count on and they have hit jackpot in the digit
age with media dumbing down and the potential for mass observation and controll,
under the pretexts of false flags like 9/11 etc and fear of everything more or less...
As you say on sites like this there are many distractions, but I don't find it a distraction
as such as its opening up peoples eyes to all possibilities imho...

Ideally we would raise the whole worlds conciousness overnight have no war,
remove political dogma , rivalries and jealousy and focus on several main areas
real education, health care, eradicating starvation, poverty , social injustice which
would have a drastic effect on crime, localise more decision making, free energy etc.

All these goals and more every human being on the planet would aspire to
and those that do not cannot be human imho....The problems as you know
is awkening everyone to the blindingly obvious, not by violence as that has
been one of their main weapons but a paradyme change.Ironically the mass
mind control weapon they are using to dumb us down...... thanks to the web
has also awoken many and enabled us to express our view and thru visionaries like
David who has been connecting dots, we have a picture of the manipulation
that only the elites enjoyed in the past.......

This is deffinately the time for benevelent ET's if they are out there monitoring
to make their presence known publically, so all the petty differences used by
the TPTB to divide,rule, controll everthing thru banks,corporations and puppet
politiions can be exposed and overnight i would hope mankind would realise there
must be a better way!! ...Also frustrated Steve

http://www.startrek.com/legacy_media/images/200511/mov-008-vulcan-first-contact/320x240.jpg
First Contact....

( obviously beware of False Flags)......

Excellent post Steve, I agree with you whole-heartedly. What I find frightening is David Icke has been right time after time, he predicted an attack on a major American city... and then we have 911. So his thoughts that the controllers are gearing up for WWIII is a terrifying prospect, we only have to look at what's happening even in the MSM news to see they are trying to orchestrate a war. Jim Marrs is another researcher i find particularly accurate and this is an excellent vid connecting the dots. Both Icke and Marrs a excellent raconteurs that get the message across exceptionally well.

Source:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2AfT8bD--M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2AfT8bD--M
Cheers Robbie.

[m1i1c2h3a5e8l]

I plan to stop using YouTube before March 1st. And stopped using Google weeks ago. Not sure I want to be part of the new policies. I wouldnt be suprised if they slipped your Miranda Rights in there somewhere stating that you have the right to remain silent.

[xbusymom]

I plan to stop using YouTube before March 1st. And stopped using Google weeks ago. Not sure I want to be part of the new policies. I wouldnt be suprised if they slipped your Miranda Rights in there somewhere stating that you have the right to remain silent.

so- if youtube and google are becoming too intrusive- what else is available?

[winston smith1971]

I plan to stop using YouTube before March 1st. And stopped using Google weeks ago. Not sure I want to be part of the new policies. I wouldnt be suprised if they slipped your Miranda Rights in there somewhere stating that you have the right to remain silent.

Don't log in, and always try and use a proxy server, also scroogle seems quite good.

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David Icke Predictions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmwcGy4AOhU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmwcGy4AOhU

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Robbie I watched the Trillion Dollar Conspiricy by Jimm Marrs and the presentation was spot on
its amazing how easy it is for TPTB to silence the press and media because they own them , and all
the same crooked families get the privalege of owning everything !!! and Running the world !!!

David said one of the reasons he knew what the neo cons plan are, is because several of them wrote down
the agenda for the new American century in the 1980's when it was clear TPTB were not going to be able to
prop up the soviet union and the end of the cold war would mean they needed to find a new enemy to
keep the military ind complex going which they had created to hide all their other nafarious plans......
Terrorism was the next planned enemy and they set up organisations like 'Al CIADA'

David gets some of his info from Dr.Zbigniew Brzensinski who was advisor to several Presidents in the 80's onwards.....

As Jim Marrs said all the leaders preaching fairness for everyone are only feathering their
own nests on behalfe of their corporate masters......How many wealthy politicians are preaching the NWO doctrine.....

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Henry Kissinger in the above tape says Americans do not understand foriegn policy,which is
true as they are not encouraged to do so,the same in most countries...they do not want the
public to know the real games they play for power and proffit....TPTB pull the strings on all
nations financially ultimately

[winston smith1971]

Hi Steve I think this is a very important thread you have created and I don't want to see it disappear amongst the others. David Icke was saying things back in the 90's about reality that now the mainstream scientist are theorising is the nature of reality. He has been trying to get out this info and connect the dots without saying this is what you should believe, as he says I present the info and then people should check it out for themselves. He has been saying people are going to be disappointed with the whole 2012 thing, it is significant in that its not 2011 but its not 2013 with each year the awakening hopefully will increase but he feels nothing significant that people have been touting out will occur, no evolution of thought that changes everything by/on Dec 21st 2012 will occur and I am inclined to agree with him (especially with his track record). We all hope that a positive mass event leading to an evolution of reality will occur as Bill Wood/David Wilcock have predicted but I personally don't think it will happen. It will be interesting to see the live-stream event with them tonight, hopefully my five sense reality/body will not of had too many scrumpy jacks to absorb the program but I can't see any earth shattering details being revealed tonight, I hope I am wrong. Anyway hopefully you will be watching wood and mystery guest tonight and we can catch up tomorrow. All the best Robbie

[Cidersomerset]

I agree David has a big part to play in the awakening of the true reality, but I think events may over take us.....The Steve Beckow event seems to be a damp squib!!!
and tonights live stream will take centre stage , should be fun !!!!! I was going out for a few ciders with Nick but he has not rang...I just looked outside and the
weather is cold and wet,i don't think I can be bothered to make a run for the pub..LOL.....Only one can of 'Thatchers' in fridge I'll have to savour it later..LOL..Steve

Its OK I found a bottle of wine, out of date but hey.....

[ktlight]

Some insights here.

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[ktlight]

"The Elite manipulate this world into a state of hell. The masses sustain it. Change starts with the individual. F**k being negative, be positive. If you find yourself in a bad place, learn from it, laugh to yourself, it's just a ride, an experience nothing more.
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[Borden]

Thanks for that, ktlight,

I regularly check out David Icke's site, but don't watch the clips there that often ... then you post them here and I think 'oh, maybe this one's worth a look after all.' Thank you for posting them. I personally think the guy's a hero.

Borden

[Maia Gabrial]

This is related to a comment on the video, ktlight. I just want to get it off my chest and try to bring some new thinking about this.

Everyone really needs to stop putting others above themselves. Granted there are people with talents, money and abilities, but that's no reason to put them ahead of themselves. We are ALL divine sovereign beings on spiritual journeys. From the most brilliant minds to the most mentally challenged, we're ALL still equals. The use of wealth and fame as measures of worth is a lie we all can do without. The notion of blue bloods is nonsense. Everyone's blood is blue until it hits oxygen; therefore, we're all blue bloods. We're royalty that can stand side-by-side with any monarch on the planet. Or off-planet....
The problems we're all facing on Earth now is due to the fact that people have allowed others to step on their Free Will and Sovereignties. These "others" have gladly done so continuously over hundreds of thousands of years now. Look at the way govts have gone so ridiculously out of control...They'll continue until we say "Enough!" Have you had enough yet?
They've enjoyed this control for way too long. It's time for them to release their control of fellow divine beings; which btw includes all lifeforms on the Earth....
The time for people to Self-Rule has come.... I know I want it.... Does anyone else?
I hope more people see the truth in what I'm saying. It took many years of self-searching, but I finally found this truth to be the most liberating and empowering.

[xbusymom]

Here is another clip I had not seen before... I thought it would fit in well here

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OMG - what would be the ramifications of the earth suddenly reversing its spin
(he does mention that Gregg Braiden is his source info - I am going to have to look more into this)

[ljwheat]

I wonder? Something that hit me watching this video, TICK tock, how? Much Time I have chosen to sit here in front of you exercising my finger’s.:ranger:

Keep the masses busy, ? Dose this busy mean anything that draws my focus and holds it for what”? ten minutes, half hour two hours? Looking the other way from what?

Busy with words in my head, throwing them in front of you to get, hopefully some sort of response or recognition to something that only exists in my head were my focus, intent or image.

Getting caught up in anything outside of self empowered activity, first building the energy up, storing or projecting, keeping the energy or giving it away? In a forum, phone call, to a friend, to only have to rebuild the energy one has just given away.

Holding the light, letting it build a presence allowing it to stretch and expand beyond the limits I have learned to place on a acceptable release point, should I explode I’ve been conditioned to believe.

Letting go of my energy to anything outside of myself, constantly exhaling energy?

At the coast of what? Not being socially politically correct, being labeled a bump on a log, stuck up, pier pressure at a very early age to be acceptable and in the know?

At what coast has this thinking and regurgitating my awareness of being out into this matrix or has it been sucked away by design as David has so well pointed out.

And now this forum, if now vigilant on content, can or letting it suck the energy or light out of us. One addiction traded for another?

At what point dose one hold the light, or release it? :typing:

As in star wars when Anakin was wondering off, “stay here and now young pad a wan, the future has its own time and place, so to stay in the force that is here and now. Hell they could have went and shot a game of pool, or watched a good hologram, or stayed home and discussed Bill Woods:photo: is doing to keep all of so distracted, do we really have all that much time on our hands,:fencing:

And why? And who dose this serve, especially now? 2021:blah:

Problem- who’s? reaction-who’s, solution for who? Are we becoming yet another distraction directed at each other threw past indoctrination threw habit and conditioning? :gossip::fear:

[EnergyGardener]

tklight,

It is good to realize the nature and worship of our those that have ruled the earth for so long. While I cannot figure out the love of evil and attraction to harming other beings, I know that I have no tolerance for them now that I am awake. Realize too, that they are also Members of Avalon and will make every effort to work against good. The stakes are high.

However, information is power, provided it is used with love and not fear and hate.

Maia,

Thank you for your wise post.

It is time to reclaim our Earth and simply tell these beings the game is up.

[Mulder]

I went along to his lectures in Auckland in 2011. David was sick with the flu, but still did great. I was hoping to meet more aware people, but everyone ran out of the building like it was on fire & went home at the end (just like Church - people rush home to watch TV after services). :(

[ktlight]

"I was just wondering what the footage of the gun shot victim was for at the start of the video ? was it to emphasize the evil nature of these beings ?
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[pugwash84]

perception filter?

[pugwash84]

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[Fundy Gemini]

So Inspirational - THANKS ♥

[Rantaak]

Terence McKenna might be the final incarnation of Jesus.

I've read all of his books and listened to a large amount of his talks. Highly recommended, he gets way more austere than the clips played in this video.
For a while, I was listening to his talks and reading his books all day long for a few months. I started to pick up his speech patterns and people would say, "Sean, we can't understand most of the things you say because of how you speak but something about it just makes us want to listen to you." There are more intelligent people than the chain-smokers at Starbucks who I sometimes hang out with, though.

Many people do not realize how interested he was in the Occult and other forms of Sorcery.

[write4change]

Thank you for this thread and its potential.

[ktlight]

FYI:
"The Daily Bell is pleased to publish this interview with David Icke (left).

Introduction: David Vaughan Icke is one of the most controversial and entertaining conspiratorial historians commenting today. Formerly a professional athlete and politician, David Icke underwent a kind of conversion in which he realized he was "a healer who had been placed on Earth for a purpose." Today, his focus is clearly on "who and what is really controlling the world." He has written numerous books that, in aggregate, have been dubbed "New Age Conspiracism" and has attracted a worldwide following. He regularly analyzes the setbacks and progress of the elite conspiracy to control the world in all its reptilian glory.You can see a previous interview with him here: David Icke on Earth's Artificial Moon and Why Humanity, Ultimately, Is One Big, Biological Internet.

Daily Bell: We've interviewed you before so now we'll try to update our readers. But give us some background for those who don't know.

David Icke: I was born in Leicester, England in 1952. I became a professional soccer player and my career ended at the age of 21, with rheumatoid arthritis. I became a journalist because it was always one of my interests, as well as soccer, since I was a kid, and worked for newspapers and then radio and then television with the BBC. I was a news presenter first of all, and then went into full time sport. While I was at the BBC I became the National Spokesperson for the British Green Party, which allowed me to see politics from the inside, and see that it was going to be an answer to nothing.

I then had some paranormal experiences which started this 22-year path of uncovering what is happening in the world and who's doing it.

Daily Bell: What are your main preoccupations?

David Icke: As I mentioned, I had some amazing paranormal experiences in 1991. They had started before that but they became really in-your-face then. But from that period, my life has been a series of constant synchronistic experiences and happenings, which has led me to information in various forms – books, documents, personal experiences,or other people – who have almost been handing me pieces of a puzzle, and they have been handed in a most effective order, to see how they fit, as quickly as possible. So this jigsaw puzzle has been put together, year on year on year, and goes on.

To use another analogy, I have been going deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole. In the early days, it was all about the fact that a network of families were manipulating world events – they controlled the banking system, the political system, the transaction of corporations, science and all the rest of it. Then it moved on into the realms that there were non-human entities behind this control system and they were orchestrating it from the shadows. And I continued my research deeper and deeper.

I have a new book coming out in the next couple of weeks, called Remember Who You Are, and that is a big area I have been focusing on, which is remembering who we are. It's my contention that humans are being manipulated on multiple levels, but one of the main levels is to sell us a false identity. So we think, I'm just little me, I have no power, I am just my body, my name, my job, my income bracket, and that's who I am, when that's just an experience or a series of experiences. That's not who we are. Remembering who we are – which is consciousness, having that experience – is the way to bring about dramatic change in the world, and to bring this control system down. This control system is fundamentally founded on billions of people living a false sense of self and identity.

Daily Bell: Tell us about "Truth Vibrations."

David Icke: As you know, I was a soccer player and a television presenter and right after I had a series of what you would perceive to be 'paranormal' experiences, compared to people's everyday sense of normality. This happened to me in 1991 and is detailed in my books. At that point, I came across a number of 'psychic' people and I had never met psychic people before. They all told me the same information: We are being told to tell you this information. The gist of it was that I was going to go out on the world stage eventually and reveal great secrets. I am paraphrasing here but humanity had to be told the story of what was really happening compared with what is really happening. The veil had to be lifted.

I was told at that time – and there's no evidence for it – that there was a vibrational information change – what I would call now a change in the information fabric in our reality – that was planning to have two major effects. The first one was going to act like a spiritual alarm clock to wake up more and more people from the amnesic state that humanity has been put into. Secondly, all that has been hidden from us is going to be brought to the surface, and happening in my life time. In 1991, there was no evidence whatsoever that would be happening in my lifetime. I looked at these people and said, "What are you saying?"

But as the years have passed both of those things have demonstrably happened. First, the number of people awakening now is amazing; it's an exponential curve. Going around the world in 2011, I traveled about 45,000 miles, and it is amazing everywhere. And the people attending my events – judges and politicians are turning up. What? This is how far it's gotten. If you look at how much information we know now that we knew nothing about 20 years ago, that has now come to the surface – look at what we've come to know this past year, 5 years, 10 years about what is happening. The information keeps circulating and now through all these walks of life people are seeing its validity.

So these truth vibrations are happening and it is what I was told was going to happen by bringing the truth to the surface. That's where I got the name. It can't be stopped. It's a matter of how painful this transition is going to be.

Daily Bell: That was a big discussion in your last book, Human Race Get Off Your Knees: The Lion Sleeps No More. How is your latest book doing? Tell us about it.

David Icke: What I have noticed for a number of years now, and is becoming more and more obvious, is the number of people, all around the world – I flew 45,000 miles in 2011 on speaking tours, literally around the world – who are asking the question, "What's going on in the world? I don't like it. I feel uneasy about what's happening. What is going on?" So I wrote the new book to connect the dots and to say this is what's going on: Additives in food, bombing countries, the banking crash, etc., all connect, and when you see how they connect then you can really see the game that is actually being played.

What we call the global conspiracy is a vast tapestry of different strands that all connect. You can see onerous ones, like taking over country after country after county, through grotesque violence or manipulating the population to do it for you – but they are going to make sure the people know who the leaders are at the end of it. And then you see things like life being made near impossible for small farmers to function. There are more and more attacks on the ability of people to grow their own food. All of these things can be shown – smart groups and smart meters, all of these things can be shown to be part of one tapestry, not operating individually. They're a tapestry of effects and attacks on human society to create something that would make even George Orwell wince.

Daily Bell: You have been traveling and speaking extensively since we spoke in February 2010. Give us an idea about how you are being received, the numbers of people in attendance and what has changed for you.

David Icke: Quite a lot has changed, really. When I started out in 1991 I couldn't fill a phone booth with people who wanted to listen, although I could have filled the biggest building in the world with people who wanted to ridicule and abuse. As the years have passed, more and more people have started to ask questions. The biggest thing for me was 9/11, when a lot of people instinctively and intuitively knew something wasn't right but they couldn't put words to it. That was a big change, in terms of interest in my work. Then, after the invasion of Iraq and no weapons of mass destruction were found, that was another big leap.

But as I have said for a long time, there will come a time when this whole conspiracy theory has to break the surface. You can manipulate covertly up to a point, but there will come a stage where you have to start laying the bricks and mortar, buildings of this society you have been heading towards. When it breaks the surface, people can see it. We are receiving numerous confirmations daily, that the Orwellian state is being introduced, and that human freedom is being deleted at an amazingly fast pace, it has become very obvious. So we are now at this point where it becomes tangible, and as people have dismissed it in the past because they didn't want it to be true, they are now having it put in their face. They can go into deep denial but that's becoming more difficult because it's so blatant.

I was in Australia, and they are introducing legislation in the summer that will cause people to lose state benefits for their children if their children don't have all the vaccinations that the government wants them to have. These things are happening all over the world. It's a globally coordinated operation.

The other interesting thing that I found, and not just in terms of the numbers, is the kinds of people who are attending my speeches. People from all walks of life are starting to attend. You know, everyone gives off a certain energy and in the past, I would know where I was speaking, if I was in England, Germany or America, because depending upon where I was I could sense the energy and I would speak to that specific place, West Coast or East Coast, for instance. Talking around Britain, I would speak to that certain area, based on the nature of the audience and what energy I was receiving. But that has fundamentally changed in the last two years.

When I went around the world this time, all over Europe and Australia, America and the rest of it, they were the same audience. When I was in LA in the spring it was an LA audience – that energy, that feel. Then I went to Bavaria, same energy. Croatia, same energy. All over Australia, same energy. New Zealand, same energy. There is an awakening going on. People are starting to tap into the same collective awareness and expanded awareness. The energy is the same because they are tapping into that same source. It's a very exciting time, and at the time this is happening, you've got this control system throwing everything at us, more than ever before, and as quickly as it can.

Daily Bell: We've asked you this before. Is your work a metaphor – an allegory – even though it's not understood that way?

David Icke: I don't do allegory except when I'm using it to symbolize a concept. I am certainly not using allegory when I'm talking about what's behind the conspiracy and the nature in which the conspiracy works. I only use allegorical symbolism when I'm trying to use symbols that people can relate to, to understand deeper concepts of stuff, but absolutely no allegory otherwise.

Daily Bell: Have you become more radicalized? Is that possible?

David Icke: No, that's not possible but I am learning more and going further and further down the rabbit hole. I am the same in that sense as when I started out, absolutely. I am much more informed now, though. We learn from our experiences all our information and our sources of information. In terms of radical – absolutely not. We need a fundamental transformation of human society and that will only come with a fundamental transformation of humanity's perception of itself and the world.

Daily Bell: Is the New World Order becoming a reality?

David Icke: Yes, it is becoming a reality by the day, quite demonstrably. The projections of the plans that were in my books in the 1990s, like And the Truth will set you Free, which I wrote in 1994, are playing out on the television news now. It's kind of surreal to me to watch it. So yes, it is happening.

But at the same time, the awakening is providing more and more potential to challenge it and to prevent it reaching its goal. But if we are going to do that, people have to disconnect their backsides from the sofa pretty damn quick, open their minds and see what's going on. What's interesting to me is that this whole New World Order is playing out from the page, if you like, into human society in such a predictable way. Everything we've been talking about for years, about what was planned, is happening on all these different levels.

And why shouldn't it be when from time to time people on the inside have spoken about what the plan was with audiences they thought were quite safe, though some of them weren't. So what was reported as being said back in the '60s is now happening. So this is a very long-term plan that is playing out. This is why I say to people that if we are going to understand how this great tapestry, this tsunami of inter-connected happenings across the great spectrum of life and society, are happening together at the same time, all dove-tailing together, are we really going to say or believe that all that is being orchestrated by people in dark seats, sitting around the table, charting their next move?

I have said that if you are an expert on 9/11 or an expert on banking scams and political scams and manipulations of that kind then that's fantastic. But if that is all you are doing you're still walking around the outer edge of the rabbit hole. You haven't entered it yet. This is much, much deeper than most people perceive, even for those who are fully aware that this New World Order is happening. It's only when you get to the deeper levels that A) you can see more clearly how it's being done and B) see how it can be brought down. This new world order can be unraveled, which our world depends upon us doing. But with all the diversions being thrown at us, we must understand how we keep our power in the process, because very few people in full knowledge of what they are doing are behind us. The current population is 7 billion, and I think I see a way out of this, but we have to get informed, and once we are informed we have to act upon that information.

Daily Bell: What can be done to stop it? Where do things end for the world?

David Icke: There are two ways to respond to a situation. You can try to find a solution, and we are drowning in those, or you can address the cause of the problem. And the cause of the problem is that humanity in general has been manipulated – and I understand why, because the programming runs from womb to tomb constantly, through what we call education and the media and what we call sources of so-called information. Humanity has been programmed into a completely false, fake and fundamentality limited sense of self. It's constantly given diversions to keep its attention occupied so it can't see what's going on, and has focused on individual dots in daily life rather than seeing how they connect.

So what we need to do is this. First off, people need to open their minds because while people have closed minds they can perceive only the possibilities they have been programmed to believe in, which is about the size of a pea. They are not even going to look at what is really going on because they are going to dismiss it with reflex action. So you have to be open-minded and allow other possibilities, however outrageous and bizarre, to have their say and make their case instead of being dismissed by reflex action.

Then we need people to start to really evaluate who they are. They are consciousness, infinite awareness having an experience. What the system has done has manipulated people to believe that who they are is the experience. So you sweep the roads, you read the news. Oh, you're more successful than him but if he never read the news for a month or he never cleaned the streets, whom would we miss most? Secondly, it puts labels upon people. You are a newsreader, you are a street cleaner – it's the collective version of the Indian caste system. We relate to each other because you're a road sweeper and you read the news but these are just experiences. If we stop self identifying ourselves with these labels and stop perceiving and responding to other people on the basis of a label that they've been given – oh, you're a queen; oh, you sweep the streets – then we can start to break down these fault lines that divide and rule based on status, color, race, income bracket, culture and all the rest of it. They are just manufactured fault lines, used to divide and rule the target population.

Whether you are dealing with the number disparity between those who in full knowledge are doing the manipulating and those who are being manipulated, then those who are manipulating have to divide and rule the target population. Even more than that, they have to recruit from the target population. They need enforcers in uniform, they need administrators in government, the dark suits to run the system, because there are not enough of those in full knowledge of what they are doing.

So there is a stream of things we can do. First, open our minds to possibilities and let possibilities have their say. Secondly, we re-evaluate who we are, realize we are not limited but rather we are limitless, so then we can re-evaluate the power that we have to make a difference in the world. When you do that you realize that the whole conspiracy to enslave us is only possible because those being enslaved cooperate with their own enslavement. Then we can start withdrawing our acquiescence from the system that's enslaving us.

If someone comes out of the White House or Downing Street and says, "We've had a meeting and we've decided that ABC is going to happen," that will only happen if the population in general acquiesces to that happening. If the population says, "No. We are not doing that," then the person in the White House or Downing Street has no power. They do not have the numbers. The answer is staring us in the face. It's basic mathematics – seven billion being manipulated and a handful in full knowledge doing the manipulating. We need to start activating these numbers.

Now, with the Occupy protest, that was a start, it was a stirring, but we need to move this on to beyond a simple protest to non-cooperation with these people or these forces of manipulation. Here's a simple thing. Look at house foreclosures and people losing their jobs. People who are foreclosed upon by banks should not leave their homes. They have a moral right to those homes and the banks are the very entities that have caused the foreclosures. We need people to take a stand. They should not be leaving their homes. The banks have created these foreclosures and have lead people to lose their jobs based on circumstances the banks themselves have created. People need to refuse to leave their homes in vast numbers. If you do it one or two or a handful they will pick you off. We need to do it in large numbers. We need organizations created that way, so people are organized and stay in their homes when they are foreclosed. People are in the streets, people homeless, people living in tents. This is ludicrous while all these homes sit empty. If we accept it we will experience it. If we don't accept it, we'll stop it.

Daily Bell: We've been arguing lately that people ought not to use the word Zionism but should call the elite a mafia, even a Jewish Mafia – one that hires 'Jewish' people the way that the Italian Mafia hires Italian Catholics. Why is it that the alternative news media is so intent on the using the word Zionist? What is a Zionist? Doesn't using the word confuse the issue? Isn't the issue really one of organized crime?

David Icke: Well, this is a very big area and one I am happy to speak about because I have been speaking about it for a long, long time. There are many people in the alternative media who won't go here but they need to big time, to understand what's happening, mostly they are frightened of the consequences. I am not interested in consequences; I'm interested in what's happening. Consequences will take care of themselves.

What has happened is that there has been a massive mind manipulation going on that has caused people to acquaint the word Zionist with Jewish, as if every Jew is a Zionist. Now, quite demonstrably that is nonsense. There are significant numbers of Jewish people who not only don't support Zionism but venomously oppose it, but because they have equated in the public mind that Zionism equals 'the Jewish race,' then if you challenge Zionism, you must be anti-Semitic (which actually means anti-Arab but that's another story).

Anyway, I call it, whenever I use the term, Rothschild Zionism, because I want to closely underpin that which created it, and that which controls it to this day for its own ends. Zionism in its public persona is a political philosophy that believes its own things should happen. But at its core it's a secret society, as much a secret society that anyone could name. The Rothschild's control it.

So when we see 1.7% - 2% of the American people being Jewish, and significant numbers of them oppose Zionism, so then you have a smaller number of people who support Zionism, then you've got an infinitely smaller number, that are Zionists – who only support Zionism because they've been sold the idea that Zionism is the belief that Zionism should happen or be. Which brings us to the core of Rothschild Zionism, which are those people who are members of the secret society, and who are operating in full knowledge of what they are doing. They're the people that end up in such ludicrous ratio, of the Zionists who in the population to Zionists in power are the forms of people like Rahm Emanuel, the handler of Barack Obama; people like David Axelrod, who ran Obama's election campaigns and oversees the words on the teleprompter to this day; people like Paul Wolfowitz, who was the main power in the Pentagon at the time of 9/11; people like Dov Zakheim, who was Comptroller at the time of 9/11; people like Michael Chertoff, who was the co-author of the Patriot Act and the second head of Homeland Security. The people running the lies and ludicrous climate change and global warming policies in the Obama administration are Rothschild Zionists. You look at the head of the Federal Reserve through Reagan, Father Bush, through Clinton and almost to boy Bush, Alan Greenspan, Rothschild Zionist. Here is the man who orchestrated the destruction of checks and balances that lead to the collapse, manufactured and engineered, in 2008. He was replaced just before all that happened with Ben Bernanke, who is another Rothschild Zionist.

Then you look at the people in the Clinton administration, the Secretaries of the Treasury, etc., and people who followed with them, who massively imposed the destruction of checks and balances that Greenspan was working for and you get Robert Rubin, Rothschild Zionist, you get Larry Somers, Rothschild Zionist, you get Timothy Geithner, Rothschild Zionist. Then Obama comes in to solve all the problems that they created with their destruction of checks and balances and the crash, and he appoints Timothy Geithner, Rothschild Zionist, as his Secretary of Treasury, his number two of economic policy, Larry Summers, and so it goes on.

The ratio is absolutely fantastic. Then you look at the fact that a country of eight million people is the biggest recipient of American overseas aid and arms support and funding. What on Earth is going on? Why?

Then you look at a useless, despicable man called Benjamin Netanyahu, who's treating Palestinians just as bad as the bloody Nazis did, comes and speaks to an assembly on Capital Hill and he gets standing ovation after standing ovation for talking total nonsense. It's because the Rothschild Zionists have taken over American politics, American foreign policy and American government, at all the different levels.

They took over the British government a long time ago; it's just more obvious now. In Britain we have David Cameron, the prime minister, Rothschild Zionist, and the opposition party, the Labor Party, a guy called Ed Milliband, Rothschild Zionist. There are less than 300,000 Jewish people in Britain compared with a population of more than 60 million. What's going on?

I went to New Zealand late last year and the Jewish population in New Zealand is not even a point percentage but Prime Minister Key is a Rothschild Zionist. It's an elephant in the living room. If any of these people were Chinese or Arab or South African people would be asking, "What's going on?" But people are frightened about pointing out the elephant in the living room because they're frightened of the consequences and the reaction. If we don't want to live in a world of total and utter Orwellian control we better start acknowledging the elephant in the living room pretty quick.

Daily Bell: Give us your opinion about 9/11? We ask this question almost weekly but would like to hear form you.

David Icke: I published one of the first books on 9/11, called Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Centre Disaster – Why the official story of 9/11 is a monumental lie. It's my view, that this was a combination of American military intelligence – we talk about the CIA but it's all military intelligence, whatever they may say. That includes the Israeli military intelligence, which is actually the enforcement arm of the House of Rothschild, it doesn't represent the interests of Jewish people or Israel, it represents the interests of the Rothschilds. And somewhere, without question, British military intelligence would have been involved, it always bloody is.

The idea was to create a massive outrage that could be used to justify what's been in the plan for a long time before that and to justify a war on terror. Of course, the War on Terror is George Orwell's "war without end." If you have a war between two or more countries, at some point someone is going to overcome the other. But when you have a war on terror, how can you say the war on terror has ever been won? You can't. Thus you have a never-ending war – not a real one, but a fake one, but non the less, one that justifies ongoing changes in society.

When you look at the 3,000 people who outrageously died on 9/11, and you see the people who were offering the solutions, and the responses were invading Afghanistan – in truth, invading Iraq (I am actually saying that is the reason) – but justifying the war on terror to do it, and all these other invasions that have taken place. When you think that the people who were behind 9/11 were the people who engineered it to get the outcome they wanted, then you see all the other terrorism that's gone on, like bombing Baghdad and the tremendous loss of life in Pakistan, Libya and what these unmanned drone bombers are doing in Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan – I mean, the number who died in 9/11, as horrific as it was, is dwarfed by the vast, vast numbers who have been slaughtered and maimed, in the name of fighting terror.

The people fighting terror are the terrorists, of course, and they were the terrorists behind 9/11. But then you look at what you might call real terrorism, genuine terrorism which comes from people who are trying to make a statement and are not connected to these hidden forces. When you add the numbers of people who have died from genuine terrorism, and you compare those against those who died from unofficial state terrorism, it is laughable, the numbers of one compared to the other. 9/11 was pivotal. 9/11 was the trigger that has been the driver – first of all constantly mentioned, and now in the background more – but the driver for everything that has gone on since. Tony Blair has said little in his life that I have ever agreed with, but he did say after 9/11 that the world changed on 9/11 and that was true. Why? Because it was meant to. So 9/11 cannot be overstated in its importance to what has happened since.

Daily Bell: What do you have to say about the NDAA?

David Icke: These are expressions of what I call the totalitarian tiptoe. It is where you introduce the totalitarian state, not all in one go, because then people would see immediately what is happening, but you do it in stages and you claim that each stage is connected to the other stage. Of course, this has been going on now for decades and decades but what happens, of course, is that the further you go along this road towards your goal, the more extreme these different stages become because you are getting closer and closer to your ultimate extreme, which is this global, fascist, communist dictatorship.

This is what we are seeing now, more and more blatantly outrageous destructions of even the most basic freedoms, and this is an expression of them. So obviously, this is appalling. At least it is having an effect among some people and it is showing them just how far we have gone, and sitting on their hands on the fence is not an option any more. We are getting to extreme levels with all of this. Also, the way that Capitol Hill, with a few honorable exceptions, is just nodding these things through just shows the scale of control of these puppet people that now exists.

Daily Bell: What do you have to say about Ron Paul and the way media is ignoring him during the primaries, etc.? Will Ron Paul be elected president in the US? Would that be a good thing?

David Icke: Well, that was always going to be the case. I can certainly relate to Ron Paul's situation because of how the media in Britain tried to slaughter me over the years. What is interesting is that they went for the ridicule and abuse in the 1990s and proudly walked away from the corpse, and now the corpse is talking to thousands of people, and they have rediscovered me in the last two months and are hurling more abuse at me. It's hilarious, really. Of course, the media is owned by the very people that we're talking about, thus the people who work within the media operate to the blueprint of those who are writing the checks. So the whole drive about journalists being intellectual prostitutes is absolutely right – I just disagree with the intellectual part.

In terms of Ron Paul, it's up to the people to not allow that to happen and I am seeing more and more people starting to get behind this. I am sure if I sat around a table with Ron Paul, on many things we wouldn't agree. But in terms of the candidates on offer in the Republican Party, and Obama and his Democrats, this guy is light years ahead of every one of them. The rest of them are all the same and just on the payroll of those who have controlled every president in living memory.

Daily Bell: What's happening with the EU? How about the euro? Give us some insight into living in the United Kingdom on this front.

David Icke: Oh, my goodness me, it's bloody hell. I have been campaigning against the European Union for a long, long, long, long time, even before I got into this stuff. It's one of the great totalitarian tiptoe stepping-stones to the world government. Once upon a time, humans lived in tribes and the tribes decided what happened in the tribe. Then we came to a pivotal time, when the tribes were pulled together under what we call nations and now there are a few people at the center of the nation who are dictating to all the former tribes.

Now in Europe we are massively into the next stage, which is to pull the nations together under a centralized bureaucratic dictatorship. The European Union is the Soviet Union under another name. The only real difference is what they want to create. They have this farce, this joke called a European parliament, which has no power whatsoever, and they say that therefore the European Union is democratic because we have a parliament. But we have people with no power. The real power is in Brussels and in the dark-suited, appointed bureaucrats in the bureau under another name, the European Commission.

One of the things I have been pointing out now for the best part of 20 years is they obviously want a world government, they want a world central bank, they want a world army, they want a world currency and they want a microchipped population. So if you look at the world currency, what they were faced with were vast numbers of national currencies. So in the totalitarian tiptoe stepping-stone, they needed to get rid of those currencies if they were going to have their single electronic currency, which is what they want. I call this technique problem-reaction-solution. They need to have a constant series of problems, to which they can offer solutions to advance the agenda. This is why there is constant chaos and problems in the world – because that's what's needed to generate and justify the solutions that will transform society. 9/11 of course, is a classic example. The euro was never, never going to be an end in itself. The end in itself is a single, global, electronic currency. The euro is a stalking horse, which is mucked up, all those former individual currencies of Europe, like the Guilder, the Franc, the Deutsche Mark, the Lira, and has pulled them under one currency which has created quite a situation, it's a bit like the Titanic and they've done it on purpose. The story of the Titanic says it sank because the hole was not compartmentalized into watertight compartments; thus when one compartment filled, then the next compartment and the next. When you have national currencies, there usually is some kind of firewall to some extent, that you're controlling your currency, but with the euro, when one country is in trouble with the euro, then that immediately knocks onto the other compartment or other countries and they start getting effected by it. It's all been calculated. The euro will end and I am not saying it's going to end tomorrow, but it is in the plan to end. They want to replace it with electronic currency and in order to replace it they have to make sure it doesn't work. When you are trying to change society in fundamental ways, if society is working and what you want to change is working, you are going to get big-time resistance to the change, so you have to make sure it's not working so you can justify the change. In my opinion, the euro is being systematically undermined and America is in the final round, too. It's already unfolding in America.

They are bringing what they did to what we call Third World countries, developing world countries to Europe and North America. What I mean by this is that what they did, in theory, was give independence to the former colonies in places like Africa, etc. They decided they were going to massively hike the price of oil, which they did after the Arab-Israeli War in the early 1970s, which was orchestrated by people like Kissinger. They then went to the other oil countries, covertly, and said, 'We are going to hike the price of oil and we'll give you an excuse, but you invest those vastly increased revenues in certain banks in the West,' which the oil countries did. These were the banks that then sent out representatives all over the third world offering them enormous amounts of money in loans to develop their country. Of course, what they did was seek out the most corrupt leaders and the money went to these leaders and did not positively affect the people, but they were left with the debt, which is what we call Third World debt. Then you have people like the IMF and the World Bank going into those countries and saying, 'Well, you have to have austerity programs, health, education, food and all the rest of it for us to lend you more debt to get you into more financial catastrophe, i.e., control.' And so we have this situation where physical occupation of the former colonies was replaced by financial occupation, and the wars they sold to these countries was part of the deal. 'To bail you out of these debts you can give us your resources. And we're not going to let you forget. You have to let Western corporations come in, you have to sell us you state assets for cents on the dollar, our taxation.' And in this way they took over the Third World.

They are doing that in Europe and in North America. It's exactly the same. They have created a situation where the banks, or those who control the banking system, crash the banking system, creating a banking crisis. They then make it a government crisis by getting the governments, which they also control, to bail out the banks with copious amounts of borrowed and printed money. This then goes from a government crisis to a people crisis because the government says, 'This is what we've done and we have to cut back.' We see what's happening in Spain, in Greece, in Portugal. Now they are doing exactly the same thing to the West as what they did to the Third World countries before, and they are taking them over.

People like Zbigniew Brzezinski, who was a major insider, Jimmy Carter's former National Security Advisor, co-founder of the Trilateral Commission with David Rockefeller – he has written in books, going back to 1970, that what was coming was a technotronic society. Instead of elected people running countries and deciding things, Technocrats would – experts, bankers and academics. And now, because of what happened in Europe (problem-reaction-solution), we now have Technocrats in charge of the economies in Europe and in Greece. The Technocrat Prime Minister of Italy has a whole technocrat bunch in his cabinet now, a man named Mario Monty, who is the European President of the Trilateral Commission. We have this guy in Greece, Lucas Papademos, Prime Minister of Greece, who's a banker. And Brzezinski predicted all this because he knew it was coming.

So anyone who is doing their homework is seeing this whole agenda unfold, in the most blatant way, and what they they have secured for Italy and Greece is what they want for every other country. There is no democracy. There are training organizations – there's one in Britain that operates worldwide called Common Purpose – that train the bureaucrats, the administrators and the police administrators and the police hierarchy in leadership and in management. Talk about preparing for the post-industrial, post-democratic society because places like Common Purpose are fronts for the same organizations, the same networks. So they are preparing people for this because that's what they want.

PEOPLE, WAKE UP! This is much bigger than you think, even for most of the people who realize that there is something going on.

source to continue
http://www.thedailybell.com/bellinclude.cfm?ID=3578&bid=2

[Tane Mahuta]

Awesome post kt. Always interesting to hear what D.I has to say!

TM

[Black Panther]

Yes, you are right. And I'm Neo. And you too. Carol Clarke told me in my reading:

"Have you ever seen the film the Matrix. Well, that’s how I feel about you. You know cause Neo realised things were not as they seemed and it was very difficult for him to comprehend and he had the right sort of people to guide him. He had to find out a lot things out by himself. I see you a little bit like this."

So we all have to remeber who we are right now: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39252-David-Icke-s-new-book-Remember-Who-You-Are

I've watch the new monthly video of Eckhart Tolle. He is talking there with Sir Ken Robinson about "Finding your element". If you do what you really like on a spiritual level it doesn't called work anymore. If we have a job right now that doesn't give us much joy we don't have to blame ourselves. It doesn't really matter what we do, but how we do what we do. So if we do the little things of our jobs with as much consciousness as possible we can still feel good. Accept it's not THE job you want. Don't fight it. And than there will be something or someone who give you the opportunity to do something with your life you really like.

I've also seen this post of ViralSpiral:



welcome Pila
i was interested in your description of who you were, "a spirit who has inhabited a body", it is my understanding that each of us are exactly that. we are all only experiencing life through the agreement with the entity that is our body, therefore, am I correct in thinking you are no different to all of us apart from the fact your recall and understanding of this event is more recent?.

There are others who replace existing "spirits" ...... walk-ins, like Drunvalo Melchizedek. This was recently posted elsewhere, perhaps relevant here also

p06AvCwnEtA

So we really have to start with a blank sheet and throw away all those stupid believe systems and start remember who we really are. We don't need others, we don't need a forum, we don't need the future. It's all there INSIDE of us RIGHT NOW.

[Black Panther]

I want to add this post of Jean-Marie:


This is from an email blast from James Gilliand from the ECETI Ranch today....

Energies of Late

We are getting overwhelmed with requests for healing, clarity, and questions about what is going on. People everywhere are going through highs and lows, emotional roller coasters, outbursts and being challenged to their core. Even the physical bodies are reacting with hot flashes, tiredness, aches and pains even healing crises. We are moving into an alignment with Galactic Plane and these energies are streaming in along with the Sun's reaction to these energies. I was told this last burst of energy was sent. The Sun went ballistic in what looked like a solar snowstorm. These energies are impacting the Earths body and your bioelectric fields as well. This creates highs, depressions, mood swings, and lethargic feelings. It can excite anger bringing up any unresolved issues. We are in for a wild ride between now and 2013. We are going to have to learn to still the mind, own our emotions and not get into blame or projection on others. Stop looking for an external reason for sadness, anger, fear, guilt unworthiness, etc. It is time to release the past and with these new energies it is no longer an option. Self monitoring, becoming the observer, feeling the emotions to the core and releasing them with the help of the God, Creator, Spirit within is the quickest path. Forgiveness is the key. It is said there is your business, others business and Gods business. We no longer have the luxury of avoiding our own business by getting into others. It is going to take all we have to get ourselves through these times. We are going to be challenged to our core with these new energies. This to shall pass and a lot of forgiveness and releasing of the past will help get us through these times. You are not alone in this process the whole planet and beyond are going through this shift. Be well,
James Gilliland
www.eceti.org
www.bbsradio.com
www.worldpuja.net

[Cidersomerset]

The presenter at the start of the interview says its 6th feb 2012...

I don't know why the U/Tube says 2011 it is definately 2012 !!!

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Just started listening sounds really good people from the forum chat are asking David
questions live over the phone,,,,

Really, Really good interview/discussion and a great interaction with 'Cliff High' from web bots halfway thru

David explains how ww111 has been planned and being implemented...!!!

[Cidersomerset]

Absolutely Brilliant interview....don't miss, even/especially the spiritual guys will like this one !!!!

http://www.cmn.tv/wp-content/uploads/rememberwhoyouare.jpg

[marielle]

I downloaded the mp3 and listened in my car--it was very good! And I was impressed by the high quality questions that were asked, too.

[Cidersomerset]

I agree Marielle....Davids special communication skills were even more clearer than usual, His interaction with Cliff was strong emotionally
and you could feel Cliffs frustration with the control system....and Davids explanation of conciousness although i have heard it many times
seems very plausible and the fact we are all infinate awareness having a experiance as me/you makes a lot of sence to me...

[xbusymom]

if this plan of control spans across aeons of time (which is way longer than any human lifespan) then Who engineered the entire plan and who is the puppet-teer that is keeping it going?

[Cidersomerset]

Time does not exist as we use time, and I presume if we are eternal entities/infinate conciousness each time we leave this reality......
we reunite with our higherselfe/god and at some point come back for another experiance.......

So the answer to your question is we/our higher self engineered it for a contrast of experiance....only my interpretation....Steve

[xbusymom]

so. one generation (however many years ago) set this thing in motion, but now it is on auto pilot??

[xbusymom]

interesting ideas... create our identity system outside of their system

1.creating a new vocabulary for this new paradigm...??
a)linguistics for the vibrational impact...

2.nobody shows up... for war, for the monetary system, for neighborhood snitch programs, etc...
a)non-participation vs. aggressive resistance

3.earth power points??
a)mapping earths' existing power places or creating new power “stations”
b)meeting in person or mentally send energies?

[Cidersomerset]

I don't know if it was one specific entity that set it in motion or all of us, it depends on the form we take in non=physical
this is open to many interpretations and everyone will view it slighty differently...

[Black Panther]

I downloaded the mp3 and listened in my car--it was very good! And I was impressed by the high quality questions that were asked, too.

Where do I find the mp3 ?

** update **

Already found it myself :biggrin:

http://www.mediafire.com/?1ds33bn7gn9jneq

[ktlight]

"Totally makes absolute total sense. I hate how so many people try to discredit David Icke with all the research and experiences he has. I guess it's just easier to call him crazy than to actually take a look at the information for yourself. He is a hero and should be treated as such. Anyone who says he's insane is probably serving the Illuminati Agenda. Or is conditioned to the point that they are unknowingly serving that agenda.
komedydude "

-jz_2_3Jx6I

[ktlight]

"DAVID ICKE (davidicke.com) 1st Interview of 2012. How deep does the rabbit hole go? David discusses his new book” “Remember who you are”, reflecting on his 2011 world tour, occupy movement. What is Consciousness, fear based mind control? // Self imposed thought camps…norms of religion as control, getting past dogma and controlled belief systems…allowing yourself to be you!

David’s predictions for 2012 (mass awakening of the sheeple) // 2012 Rockefeller bird flu. Predictive programming / internal freedom…fake Arab spring…Rothschild controlled social networking and new speak //

Also: Violence in America 2012…Using non-violence, non-cooperation to challenge the system. Being “street wise”…David also weighs in on the 2012 election and Ron Paul.

Part 2 will be posted next week. David discusses Jesse Ventura and Bill Maher and offers solutions to a myriad of problems. We’ll have that up next week………PLEASE REMEMBER TO SUPPORT “BLOOD BYTES WORLD” BY CONTRIBUTING TO OUR CHIP-IN ON OUR FRONT PAGE. THANK YOU. STAY BOLD."

Audio file
http://deadlinelive.info/wp-content/uploads/jb021212.mp3

source
http://deadlinelive.info/2012/02/12/blood-bytes-world-5-jack-blood-interviews-david-icke-part-1/

[andrewgreen]

David Icke is a legend but people so heavily wrapped up in the matrix can't be expected to believe what he's saying. He's exposing reality on earth and is I believe a first wave. Second and third wavers wont get so much ridicule thanks to David.

[truth4me]

David Icke is spot on . When I first started awakening it was about UFO's and such but as I continued to study it all lead to the Illuminati and the Zoinist Jews and the Occult. True is stranger then
fiction as the saying goes.....

[aquamarine]

http://http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/2008/06/29/exclusive-our-dad-faked-stone-of-destiny-claim-family-of-stonemason-who-repaired-relic-78057-20624793/hi ktlight i am aquamarine xx thankyou for your thread , i thought this might help too, it is the queens coronation that she didn't want televised and information as to why she is a fake . blessed be aquamarine .



REGINA/THE QUEEN

V

JAH



LAWFUL ARGUMENT AGAINST JURISDICTION & SOVEREIGNTY



1. Elizabeth Alexandra Mary Battenberg’s Fraudulent Coronation.

The person who purports to be the queen has never, in fact, rightfully or Lawfully been crowned as the Sovereign. This knowledge stems from the fact that the Coronation Stone / The Stone of Destiny / Bethel / Jacob’s Pillar that Elizabeth Alexandra Mary Battenberg was crowned upon is a fake. The real Coronation Stone; made from Bethel porphyry, weighing more than 4cwt. (458lbs.) according to the BBC telex in the film “The Coronation Stone”, (Covenant Recordings), and Ian R. Hamilton Q.C. in three of his books: “No Stone Unturned” (pages 36, 44), “A Touch of Treason” (page 50) and “The Taking of The Stone of Destiny” (pages 27, 35); was removed from Westminster Abbey at 04:00 hrs on the 25th of December in 1950, by his group of four Scottish Nationalist students, which included and was led by Ian Robertson Hamilton himself. The other three were Alan Stuart, Gavin Vernon and Kay Matheson, as stated in his books. Further details at: http://jahtruth.net/stone.htm. Further proof, that she did not want it televised at her coronation: Youtube link.
The real Coronation Stone (“National Treasure No. 1”), was taken to Scotland where, in Glasgow, it was handed over to Bertie Gray to repair it, and was later hidden by industrialist and philanthropist John Rollo in his factory, under his office-floor, according to Ian R. Hamilton’s books – “No Stone Unturned” and “The Taking of The Stone of Destiny”, and the factory-manager, when I visited him.
A fake stone copy had previously been made in 1920 by stone-mason, Bertie Gray, for a prior plan to repatriate the Coronation Stone, and it was made of Scottish sandstone from a quarry near Scone in Perthshire, weighing 3cwt. (336lbs.). The conspirators had used it to practice with, before going to London to Westminster Abbey to remove the real Coronation Stone from the abbey. It was that fake stone copy which was placed on the High Altar Stone at Arbroath Abbey, at Midday on the 11th April of 1951, wrapped in a Scottish Saltyre (St. Andrew’s Flag – Dark blue with white diagonal cross on it) and found by the authorities, then transported to England, where it was used for the “queen’s” coronation, according to Bertie Gray’s children in a Daily Record Newspaper article.
Link to Daily Record article
The stone upon which Elizabeth Alexandra Mary Battenberg was crowned weighs exactly 3cwt (336lbs.) as attested to by Historic Scotland in their official booklet titled “The Stone of Destiny”, “Symbol of Nationhood”, obtainable from Edinburgh Castle, published by Historic Scotland, (ISBN 1 900168 44 8), who have had the stone that she was crowned on in their care, in Edinburgh Castle, since it was returned to Scotland by John Major’s Conservative government in 1996.
As previously stated, the genuine Coronation Stone weighs more than 4 cwt. (458lbs.), but the one that Elizabeth A. M. Battenberg was crowned on, that has been on display in Edinburgh Castle since 1996, weighs 336lbs, not 458lbs., and thus cannot be the genuine Coronation Stone, for that and other reasons, that I will go into in great and minute detail later, during the hearing on 9th May 2011.


Therefore, never having been Lawfully crowned, she has NO authority to put the defendant on trial and the judge has NO authority to try him, because the judge’s “authority” comes from her.

Further, and without prejudice to the above...http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=ULWUMVh3UlRT4&feature=player_detailpage&v=WUMVh3UlRT4#t=0s[url]

[mahalall]

Certainly David Icke is a good torch bearer.

As the light shines on

people are increasingly seeing things for as they are and not as they would like them to be.

Its going to be a rocky path before the good, the bad and the ugly in all species accept acceptance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acceptance

[ThePythonicCow]

the Coronation Stone / The Stone of Destiny / Bethel / Jacob’s Pillar
The stone (not sure if this image is the real or the fake one), and the coronation chair in which it sits, from http://www.philipcoppens.com/stone_destiny.html


http://www.philipcoppens.com/stoneofscone.jpg


http://www.philipcoppens.com/coronation_chair.jpg

[bodosa]

David Icke is an inspirational man and holder of Truth n Honesty. I hope people stop ridiculing him and think for themselves with an open and clear mind.
But thts not possible until the people are out of the trance.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Blackpanther.....I see you found it.....

[Tane Mahuta]

46.3mb to those on limited bandwidth!

Thankyou for the link "Black Panther"

TM

[golden lady]

Wow what an interview. I recommend a viewing, although slightly biased as I'm a huge fan of David Icke. As always,food for thought. I like the thought of people gathering with the focus on love and peace instead of feeding the establishments need for negative energy with marches and the like. I'm all for a "lovefest!"

[CeltMan]

Can anyone enlighten me as to the actual significance as referred by David re: 'the birth of William being forced to ensure it was on the Equinox'?

I have heard of some pagan rituals surrounding this specific date, but would appreciate better co-oberation of the facts?

Also what is the specific date? Is it June 20th or June 21st?

Can anyone also shed any light on the dates of 21st March, as being of similar significance?

[eileenrose]

David Icke has his opinions and a few facts. He is brave for demonstrating that he stands by what he says (even if highly unpopular....with the regular masses).
It might just be me, but in recent years he has sort of reached 'guru' status (in his own assessment of himself)....even if he really isn't one (I don't qualify him as one....just a man who has some very deep experiences and likes to share them....besides the 'research the cabal' side of the guy-LOVE that about him).

I would prefer to just confer the 'gentlemen' title on him (and leave it at that).

[jackovesk]

Some call him Jesus...

David Icke certainly has a Direct-Link to the (Universal Consciousness & Knowing)

[ktlight]

"David Icke gives a thorough explanation of how the few have controlled the many through religion. For those who are Christian, you are actually worshipping Horus along with all of the other Babylonian theological figures. Additionally, Icke traces theology through modern times via symbolism and secret societies. Some Christians will remain in denial after watching this video while others will rely on groupthink to justify their beliefs. A select few will begin their spiritual journey, while many who are spiritually non-religious will confirm what they have already known as the truth."

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[Mulder]

Diana was definitely assassinated like JFK was & once again the sheeple believe the Govt's story. Good on Mohamed Al Fayed for trying to find justice.

[Mulder]

I really liked this interview, except when they "teased" David about reptilians around 30 mins into it. :fish:

[Mulder]

Although I am a fan of David, I can't help but feel he's preaching to the Choir, and the majority of people who are asleep won't wake up in time to prevent WW3, a Greek-style crisis, or a Mark of the Beast type of monetry system. I also feel that people I'm in contact with are even more asleep now & I have no chance of getting them off the sofa, let alone listening to David. I hope "things" happen to wake them up as I cannot.

[Cidersomerset]

Funny you should say that mulder, in work today a couple work collegues were talking and they had overheard a couple of us talking about something UFO
related and all they could say is..I overheard them say to each other ." They don't believe in all that rubbish do they, they want to get a life etc''..
Sometimes I say something ,but today I could not be bothered and just ignored them and carried on .....

I don't know what it will take to wake some people..lol...Steve

[witchy1]

David is a legend. I saw him in Sydney and he was great. He does say that he wont speak about anything unless he can back it up with facts and witnesses where able. I dont think there would be many here who would discredit him.

(btw - an "accident" my arse. Of course she was murdered)

Funny how the power brokers on the planet never have car accidents or plane crashes. Wonder why that is?

[ktlight]

"How deep does the rabbit hole go? David discusses his new book" "Remember who you are", reflecting on his 2011 world tour, occupy movement. What is Consciousness, fear based mind control? // Self imposed thought camps...norms of religion as control, getting past dogma and controlled belief systems...allowing yourself to be you!

David's predictions for 2012 (mass awakening of the sheeple) // 2012 Rockefeller bird flu. Predictive programming / internal freedom...fake Arab spring...Rothschild controlled social networking and new speak //

Also: Violence in America 2012...Using non-violence, non-cooperation to challenge the system. Being "street wise"...David also weighs in on the 2012 election and Ron Paul."

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[ktlight]

"They are not giving us anything. They are actually selling it to us and we are bying everything they sell us. We are our own worst enemies. For - - - - sake wake up and pay attention to what we are being sold. believe nothing that the mainstream media tells you. Question everything.
Aristilus 1 week ago "

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[ktlight]

" I been researching this for a long time.. And the Illuminati wants us to hate our own people.

Don't accept it. And resist falling for the false war on terror.. because its an Illusion
adam3176"

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[ktlight]

"Listen to the whole of this and you will be absolutley amazed!

The, copy & Paste into YouTube:"David Icke on Art Bell - Bloodlines & Control part 1-11" and listen to it all the way through to part 11-11 and you will be absolutely amazed! It is a radio broadcast from November the 11th 1998. It is absolutely incredible how much of a genius he is (David Icke)! He has got it all and gets it all spot on in this radio broadcast that is over a decade old! Peace and Love*
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[Tane Mahuta]

Thanks kt. Still relevant, even today

TM

[Ammit]

Thanks KTLight for posting this video.

Very inspiring and as TM said "Still relevant, even today",.

It is a shame that to be peaceful and love each other is such a difficult thing for us to do as i believe we are in bred with a mechanism to create chaos and pain upon this world and it is something that we would all have to train ourselves for a long time to remove from our systems.

I challenge all who read this post to try and love everyone you meet for a normal day without ever once thinking of hate or remorse towards those who try and make our day a complete catastrophy. I actually try this every day of my life but sometimes people do not want to be loved and do not want to have a peaceful existence because they are so used to pain and suffering.

But, if we all try this then others may follow with the same mind set of creating a happier world for one day and may even be willing to try for other days too, who knows, the ripple effect just might work...

Blessings

Ammit

[ktlight]

"With Alex Jones

Reptilian Demons are a lower level energy being, therefore thet are only attracted to lower level humans or humans that have a lower or dark/negative vibration. A humans vibration is based on his or her energy/soul power and conciousness. Someone might think they are on a higher vibration because they are religious or they do yoga etc, but in reality it is much deeper than that. Most people are on a lower vibration.

If someone like Jesus was real and alive today he would be someone who is on such a higher energetic vibration that demons and all lower level forces would not be able to touch him.

Have you ever heard the phrase like attracts like? They only go where they are allowed to go.

Your vibrational frequency will attract emotions and physical manifestations of things that vibrate at the same frequency.

When a person lives a life unaware of their true spiritual nature, their consciousness is stuck in low vibrational frequencies."

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[ktlight]

David talks about ancient texts in particular.

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[Cidersomerset]

Thanks KTlight its always worth listening to David imho and although this is over 10 years old it still fresh......

I've often wondered why David Icke ? and as he explains in the interview it was a shock to himself...

Why was he chosen ? It could have been a pre birth agreement in our non-physical existance to do this ?

His credentials at first do not seem that out of the ordinary, but look closely and they start to come together..

Born a common person from a council estate in Leicester England in 1951...
totaly in touch with the working class and culture , excelled at football as
a goalkeeper untill forced to retire at 21 because of arthritis...
He starts a new career as a sports journalist on the local paper Leiceser
Advertiser, then advanced thru local radio to sports presenter on BBC1
new breakfast show, then hosted other sports shows like Grandstand
the BBC flagship sports programme at the time,Olympics and was
a regular snooker host and at one time was the face of BBC sports..

Which is not probably appreciated so much outside the UK and is
why his Wogan 1st show was such a shock to the nation !!
He was already involved with political issues and became leader
of the UK Green party but soon became disolusioned with mainstream
politics, but gave him experiance of speaking on a platform.
Also picking up direct insights and experiance from each field
a viewing first hand the petty squabbles and corruption at
the top level of these professions ...

So he became accustomed thru his early adulthood of performing
infront of a audiance whether at a football stadium or a TV studio
or a speaking event....He had also written a couple of sports books

So when he had his 'awakening' and experiance in Peru it was
a 'hot wire' event to kick start his mission which he had already
unconciously been prepared for. So in hindsight he seems
well qualified to lead the search for truth imho !!.....

I may have left some bits out but you get the point cheers Steve..

David Icke, top right, with the BBC Breakfast Time...team, 1983
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/41/David_Icke,_top_right,_with_the_BBC_Breakfast_Time_team,_1983.jpg

[Circe]

Having been in contact with David Icke in the those early years (1993 turquoise track suit period) David had to go through his personal hell only then to go onto to blossom into a great speaker and researcher and one of the most respected people in his field. It hasn't been easy for David to say the least, ALL the UK forum members would know what problems David had to go through, his children and (then) Wife Linda had to share those terrible experiences with David too.It must have been so hard for all of them.To be mocked is no fun at all.

I used to write to David in those early days offering my support and as a result of those contacts I posted leaflets for David around the Manchester (UK) area, in those early days where one man and his dog turned up to David's meetings.

How many forum members remember those meetings in the early to mid nineties near Abergavenny?, it was a work shop.

I also want want to mention Judy Hall (Psychic/Astrologer), Judy Hall was mentioned in David's early book (Truth Vibrations). I wrote to Judy Hall and asked her to give me a astrology/psychic reading, the result of the reading was interesting, she warned me (Yes Judy Hall warned me) that I should not follow David's path as regards David's future research into Reptilians, she thought I should go my own way and heal the Earth (Which I have been doing to the best of my ability) but it was interesting to know now that Judy knew about the Reptilian research David was going to do before David released his Book THE BIGGEST SECRET in 1998. Judy told me this in 1993/4. I had never even heard of Reptilian beings until Judy mentioned them. No internet in those days :(

I always go with my intuition and I feel David is a great guy, I have nothing but respect for the man,as regards Judy? I took note of her reading and I respect her work too. I went on to study Astrology and I am a natural healer, other things Judy mentioned in the reading have materialized too.

I know Judy and David fell out as regards something written in a book which is shame as I regard them both as beautiful spirits. We live in interesting times.

[Giuse]

Very true. We are merely souls experiencing through the human body. Looking forward to when Icke really starts to push the boundaries with info like this.

[ktlight]

Consciousness does not do fear - mind does fear.

To fight means you are in danger of becoming that which you fight.

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[winston smith1971]

Hi Steve Excellent interview, David Icke imparts information very well indeed, nice change to here people from the forum ask him questions.
Cheers Robbie

[ktlight]

"So who do we think we are? Featuring Bill Hicks, Terence Mckenna, David Lynch, John Hagelin Ph.D"

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[ktlight]

"Can't wait till this sadistic reptilian carnival is finally shut down for ever. Will be good riddance of this freak system.
MrMedicinal 6 hours ago"

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[ktlight]

This video is 2 hours long. It is comprehensively a David Icke presentation. It is informative and well explained.

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[K626]

The huge Euro crisis is designed to bankcrupt Germany which is naively standing in the way of crashing the Euro. The dollar is already gone with the banks hoovering up as much future capital and paper assests as possible before the coming one world currency.

The plan seems to be: Iran war > Oil crisis > financial meltdwon in America and Europe > calls for a world currency > new world Govt promising a 1000 years of peace. ;)

[winston smith1971]

David Icke on Binnall of America with Tim Binnall. Recorded on August 4th, 2010.

'Audio closes the book on Season V with one of the most requested and anticipated interviews in the history of our program as we proudly welcome a bonafide global esoteric superstar: the incomparable David Icke. Taped weeks before he embarked on a 10 city, 8 country world tour, David Icke joins us for a two hour conversation covering his infamous 'Reptilian' theory as well as the furor that continues to surround it. We'll delve into his latest work, which sees the master conspiracist allege that the Illuminati agenda is on the verge of crumbling and that the moon is an artificial satellite. We'll also talk about his notorious Wogan interview from 1991 which saw Icke become a household name in the UK, much to his chagrin, and find out how that changed him personally and professionally. Icke will also reflect on his return to Wogan in 2006 and his infamous 'turquoise period.' We'll learn what he thinks of contemporary UFO reports, the stagnation of the 911 Truth Movement, and, getting seriously deep, the very nature of God. Plus, of course, tons and tons more.

It's truly a captivating conversation with a researcher who has transcended the paranormal and achieved a level of fame on par with the world's biggest rock stars and entertainment icons. Taking his place amongst the pantheon of legends previously featured as Season Finale guests, David Icke joins us for the final episode of Season V.'

Source:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9vZlixapu4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9vZlixapu4

[ktlight]

"Great video, Alex Jones with David Icke. All this mind control stuff freaks me out and I'm not sure of what Swerdlow and Icke mean by "thoughts that aren't our own but that are decoded as if they were". If there's no way of telling, how are we aware of the difference? If it's a pattern and not always a verbal-thought, it's very hard, unless we realize we're doing something really weird and we snap out of it. I'd like to see a concrete example of this."

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[Tony]

We should really take this seriously. Not to get stressed about anything...anything....anything! But...keep the passion!

[crested-duck]

Ask yourself why the US govt brought in the mind control expert from Russia to try and convince Dave Koresh and the people at Waco Texas to surrender to the govt officials- try to make them think that giveing up was actually their own thoughts and not actually mind control being used against them purposely. Do a search on woodpecker/mind control/russia-- The proof is there if willing to look and accept facts as they are truths about this evil program and the ones implementing it. When you enlist in the military you are signing up for mass mind control, then told when and how to do any and everything according to the controler/controlers that now own your arse volunteerely of course because you gave up your independent thinking when you signed the dotted line all by yourself.

[Circe]

I say switch your TV's off and enjoy life and smile.I admit it is a bumpy ride but I refuse to be brought down in anyway by these misled entities.They can fight their own wars and destroy their own life's,just leave us alone.

[Jacqui D]

I say switch your TV's off and enjoy life and smile.I admit it is a bumpy ride but I refuse to be brought down in anyway by these misled entities.They can fight their own wars and destroy their own life's,just leave us alone.

Totally agree Circe!

[createnjoy]

This is very powerful. I don't personally have knowingness about being mind controlled by the NWO, but for certain many many attempts are made to get us to think in particular ways - for consuming or for going to war or for taking various political positions, etc. Learning to discern is truly crucial! Thanks for sharing this!

[pugwash84]

http://news.sky.com/home/technology/article/16160792


http://mashable.com/2011/12/19/ibm-mind-reading/


http://news.ninemsn.com.au/technology/8412315/scientists-trial-mind-reading-computer

[Black Panther]

David Icke about The Isle of Wight, he lives since early 1980ies.
Quality: 240 p...

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[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Robbie his interaction with Cliff High was very good and i well worth the listen.....Steve

[lightseeker]

Thank you - very inspirational.

[Cidersomerset]

I was looking for something to listen to in the background while pottering around
and found this interview...

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Cheers ...Steve

[markenty13]

Awesome - i will play this now :)

[ExomatrixTV]

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[Kimberley]

Great find!!! Thank you!!!
Much love!!!

[Cjay]

Here is the complete set

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[Russ1959]

Call me studious but if you fast forward to video three from 8.7mins when Alex says the words " pure devilry" another voice in the background at preciseley
8.11mins says the words "IS"! Probably a microphonic mixing issue but never the less it jumped out in the mix.

[RunningDeer]

It's in third section.I would have missed it if you hadn't pointed it out. You've got a good ear.

[ThePythonicCow]

Parts 2 and 3 of the above interview of David Icke by Alex Jones:


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[Cidersomerset]

http://deadlinelive.info/2012/03/06/blood-bytes-world-5-jack-blood-interview-david-icke-part-2/[COLOR="red"]


Researcher, author, speaker: David Icke joins Jack Blood for Part two of this fantastic epic interview… David comments on Jesse Ventura, Bill Maher, and Jon Stewart.

David then goes deep down the rabbit hole to discuss Saturn worship, Satanism, and his own latest awakening to facts that has him writing his NEXT book already. – David offers the code to unlock the information construct, describes the “Matrix”, then gets into his legal battles, and finally his comeback as he is now being somewhat accepted by the British mass media. / NOT TO BE MISSED!

This is the clip with Bill Maher, it shows how the mainstream hosts have still
not even stepped over the threshold of the rabbit hole !! As David said he is
set up to look stupid !! But keeps his cool and prevails !!

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If you missed part one...

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[Delight]

Thanks for that. I found part 1 and here it is

http://deadlinelive.info/2012/02/12/blood-bytes-world-5-jack-blood-interviews-david-icke-part-1/

[Star Tsar]

David works HARDER for LONGER than anyone else!
He's so damn cool!
Cheers Cider another fine post...

[winston smith1971]

Heres Part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpXXTyUMyBA&list=UUvsye7V9psc-APX6wV1twLg&index=26&feature=plpp_video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpXXTyUMyBA&list=UUvsye7V9psc-APX6wV1twLg&index=26&feature=plpp_video

[Maia Gabrial]

Great interview, ExomatrixTV.
History shows that the Rothschilds were just jews before they created zionism.... It makes you wonder how they became so powerful....

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks KWB ....I agree David is a first rate journalist...

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