Need some help with a fluoridation theory.

[grizzzly]

After spending some time researching three different things I had a eureka moment as the three strands seem to join together to form something I neither expected nor looked for.
The three strands of research were as follows.

Fluoridation

DMT

The Tibetan book of the dead

Fluoridation is obviously wrong, but I was keen to find out what were the physical effects of this chemical on the human body. I also wanted to know why this process was being implamented. What did the “powers that were” stand to gain? Is this about reduction of population? One of the physical effects that shocked me was the effect Fluoride has on the Pineal gland. By all accounts after long term exposure to Fluoride the Pineal gland calcifies.

DMT fascinated me for several reasons; the human body produces its own DMT. It is also found in allot of nature and can be extracted from same. It is the key psychedelic element in ayawasca. By all accounts anyone using DMT correctly is transported to another realm. What really fascinated me was that it seems to be the same realm. All of the written reports seem to describe the same or very similar experiences. Being propelled down a tunnel towards a light, the same architectural structures, the same entities and in allot of cases the same hieroglyphs. I have also read numerous reports of people being propelled into the outer reaches of the universe and feeling connected to the eternal all. In one case an Indian Nobel prize winning mathematician swears that he brought back his formulas from a DMT trip.
There is some conjecture that the Pineal gland produces DMT, also that it produces a large amount of it at the point of death.

The Tibetans believe that the soul leaves the body and makes its way through the eternal until it enters another body and starts a new life (until at some point it achieves enlightenment then it would connect to the eternal and ascend) It is also believed that the soul enters the new body on day 49 of the foetal development. I have come across some information that the Pineal gland is formed within the foetus on or around day 49.

So bringing it all together in theory could this indicate that the Pineal gland acts as a portal to another realm or dimension? Could that dimension be the eternal home for our eternal selves? I believe that when a soul enters a physical form it is still attached in some way to its eternal or higher self .the physical form can gain more power by connecting to its higher self and consequently to the all. Is then the point of Fluoridation to debilitate the pineal gland through calcification in order to reduce the spiritual power of the masses?

If anyone has any information on the decalcification of the Pineal gland, the filtration of Fluoride or any medical/scientific facts relating to the above I would be grateful to hear from you..Peace.Grizzzly

.”Separated but not apart joined by the space between us”

[onawah]

I just had a senior :clock: moment.
I saw Grizzly's post saying he had just had a Eureka moment, and suddenly I thought I was on our local forum, Geekfest, local being Eureka Springs, which we locals call Eureka for short. It's a very unique, quirky, eccentric little town and locals often use the expression, "having a Eureka moment."
(There also happens to be a "Grizzly" on Geekfest.)

So I posted a comment for Grizzly, saying he should join another forum I am a member of, Project Avalon, where the kinds of questions he is asking are common. :laugh: :der: :doh:

I think I'd better start taking Gingko again. :sad:

[Sidney]

I just had a senior :clock: moment.
I saw Grizzly's post saying he had just had a Eureka moment, and suddenly I thought I was on our local forum, Geekfest, local being Eureka Springs, which we locals call Eureka for short.
So I posted a comment for Grizzly, saying he should join another forum I am a member of, Project Avalon, where the kinds of questions he is asking are common.
I think I'd better start taking Gingko again. :sad:

Onawah, You make me chuckle!!!! (you can blame it on the flouride)

Grizzly, You are indeed correct. I have researched this very subject and indeed the fluoridation is a multipurpose poisoning effort. Yes, to deliberately calcify the pineal gland and to aid in dumbing us down. d if yo are caught trying to bring Anayawasca into the country there are heavy penalties. Its use goes way way back, lots of info out there. I too read several descriptions of personal accounts with it and DMT, and all the same. That cannot be a coincidence. Hard to come by, I think with a little perserverence I believe it can be acquired.:tea::ranger::boink::boink::faint2:

[Mark]

there are churches in the states, in cali i think, where Ayahuasca can be obtained legally i've heard. most do go down south to have the experience though. i think i'd rather have it in a rainforest than in a suburb of LA, no matter how nice the neighborhood.

i've seen discussions of flouridation and the pineal here in this forum before, quite long ones, especially on decalcification. the pineal as the 3rd eye is an ancient conception. pineal calcification is also tied to melanin content in the skin. melatonin and seratonin production are implicated as well. people came up with some good prescriptions on how to decalcify the pineal in that other thread. Here it is (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12511-Pineal-Gland&highlight=decalcification) I think.

[onawah]

Kind of off topic, but I recently heard James Tyberonn, the geologist, world traveler, sacred tour guide and channeler who created the earth_keeper.com site, say that he thinks the Ayahuasca journey is similar to the initiation that acolytes have gone through in the King's Chamber of the Great Pyramid. It may have been in the audio chat with him I posted at
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33250-Chat-with-James-Tyberon-about-11-11-11-and-more
I love Graham Hancock's info on Ayahuasca here:
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David Wilcock has done a lot of research on the pineal gland.
David Wilcock Explains the Enigma 2012 & the Pineal Gland
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[58andfixed]

Mark Booth "The Hidden History of the World"

"... the sphincter which regulates the flow of thought.. "

More quotes at:

http://www.truthcontrol.com/node/pineal-gland

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http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/secret-history-of-the-world-mark-booth/1100222791

http://img2.imagesbn.com/images/117200000/117202654.JPG

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Just be sure to remember two important things:

1. The selection bias for the material for the book -- Mark Booth chooses to avoid some sources.

2. It is a history of selections from secret societies.

So they are indeed interesting ideas, just don't get caught up and take the material as "The Truth," however these ideas may be more 'closer to the mark' [pun in tended] than the standard scriptural sources, to access states of altered states of consciousness.

The proof of the ideas will be in the experience.

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[fox.mulder]

The thing i dont get is that if we live in a holographic universe then the pineal gland is holographic as well.......so it doesnt really matter if you drink flourided water? Have i got this right?

[Sidney]

I believe it does matter. It matters to me anyway. I believe our pineal is the ticket to other dimensions, as during oobe's and the like. I have read that some who have had difficulty with meditation, and unsuccessfully trying to achieve an OOBE have de-calcified the pineal with substances such as skate oil, then try again and are able to achieve the OOBE. My opinion is that it does matter, but I am quite uninformed on the holographic theories.

[grizzzly]

Please excuse my naiveté.I have come to these thoughts on my own and this is the first time I have communicated them with others.I would like to thank you all deeply for the information you have pointed me towards.Love and blessings grizzzly

[EileenCookies]

I wondered about fluorides affect on me as well (since I used fluoride toothpaste). So far nothing. (I can remote view). If it comes up I will mention.

[Arrowwind]

I wondered about fluorides affect on me as well (since I used fluoride toothpaste). So far nothing. (I can remote view). If it comes up I will mention.


Fluoride effects all people. You may not be able to understand or determine just how. Using any product with fluoride is risky business.

So you can remote view... good for you.. but did you ever wonder what you could be capable of if you were fully detoxed?
No one is immune. We live in a very toxic world. 50 out of 100 people will get cancer. Dont play russian roulette. Learn how to take care of yourself.
Lugols iodine can help detox fluoride and the other toxic halogens.

Visit an alzheimers lock down unit and a nursing home to view one's potential fate. You have the power to change that fate but it is not advisable to wait until it is too late.

[Arrowwind]

My opinion is that the soul enters the body in the 17th week of gestation. All the master glands must be fully formed for the spirit to interface and encompass the body and rule. One cannot live without a missing master gland. In the 17th week volition of spirit in the body occurs and is experienced universally by the mother with quickening... that is when the baby willfully moves on its own announcing generally with a swift kick to the abdominal wall that it is alive and well

[58andfixed]

The soul can be a difficult topic to discuss.

I have been exposed to the idea that our soul is an experiential acquirement, and begins with our first spiritual decision.

This helps me in my interactions with others, appreciate personality as it is a gift of a Creator, and permits great personal latitude in my part in decisions and responsibilities in life, on an eternal scale.

Are there associated concepts with your perspective to do with the soul ?

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My opinion is that the soul enters the body in the 17th week of gestation.

[music]

Thank you for your good work. I made some notes on the awakening of my nasal chakra, which might be of interest to you in regard to this.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33605-Nasal-Chakra-Awakening&p=343560#post343560

[Arrowwind]

The soul can be a difficult topic to discuss.

I have been exposed to the idea that our soul is an experiential acquirement, and begins with our first spiritual decision.

This helps me in my interactions with others, appreciate personality as it is a gift of a Creator, and permits great personal latitude in my part in decisions and responsibilities in life, on an eternal scale.

Are there associated concepts with your perspective to do with the soul ?

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My opinion is that the soul enters the body in the 17th week of gestation.

I really don't know how to respond to you because I am not getting what you are trying to communicate.
To me spiritual decisions are made continually, according to soul intent for your learning process. Since I have been incarnate many times over the ages many spiritual decision have been made. That I wake up each day and live daily is a spiritual decision .
Volition, reflected in the movement of the first movements of the body in the womb, is a spiritual decision.

[58andfixed]

That's a good effort given my brief post.

Maybe if I summarize for the sake of oversimplification what I project is your perspective, add mine, and you could let me know how close I came.

You believe in reincarnation, and that your soul "enters" or is "added to your" spiritual entity during the 17th week of gestation of each material manifestation. There is the implication that your spirit and soul are separate 'items' [for the lack of a better description].

Please interject with any corrections necessary.

I would only query where is stored the eternal consequences of your material experiences, the soul which becomes detached and re-attached, if at all, or is the 'recollection' attached with the 'spirit form' ?

I believe that my material form is my first ever manifestation, I only ever get one soul, which is an experiential acquirement that occurs at the moment of my first spiritual decision, and throughout eternity my soul and personality never become separated, even though I'll go through incarnation processes elsewhere. Another way to look at my perspective of soul, is that I begin with personality [a gift of The First Source], and my collection of choices is sort of a newspaper collection of my choices, as I trek throughout eternity.

I know it is off-beat and doesn't conform to what others believe, but I'm not attached to my belief to fit in with others. I'm trying to discover the best of all the ideas that are out there, to get the most out of this life, and every other one as well.

The essence is really splitting hairs, food for contemplation -- from the value of perspective of one over the other, and how one may harmonize with and make coherent other spiritual ideas.

It seems that a "First Source" that grants and supports these mechanisms is without question, and the names assigned [God, Vibration] may vary -- to no detriment for either of our perspectives.

Anyways, your comment caught my attention, and I had to query further.

Apologies for the distraction from the OP, and I thank you for responding.

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My opinion is that the soul enters the body in the 17th week of gestation.


To me spiritual decisions are made continually, according to soul intent for your learning process. Since I have been incarnate many times over the ages many spiritual decision have been made. That I wake up each day and live daily is a spiritual decision.

[onawah]

I agree, it does matter, though it may be that as our DNA changes, as the frequencies change, as the "New Kids", are coming in with the new energies already intact, "we" will not be affected--"we" meaning the human race in general.
But from a more personal perspective, at this particular time, I take it as my responsibility to protect my body, the vehicle of my soul, as best I can.
I am not yet impervious to toxins like fluoride, GMOs, chemtrails, pharmaceuticals etc. etc. and so I do what I can to detoxify and to prevent those things from entering my body.
We are spirits having a human experience, but the quality of experience we are having depends very much on what condition our body is in.
Our health affects our consciousness.
The material realms and the more subtle realms are connected, and each affect the other.
Or, to put it more simply: garbage in, garbage out...


I believe it does matter. It matters to me anyway. I believe our pineal is the ticket to other dimensions, as during oobe's and the like. I have read that some who have had difficulty with meditation, and unsuccessfully trying to achieve an OOBE have de-calcified the pineal with substances such as skate oil, then try again and are able to achieve the OOBE. My opinion is that it does matter, but I am quite uninformed on the holographic theories.

[EileenCookies]

Arrowhead, I can see you are still at the level of the mind. Full of worries. Perhaps you should be telling yourself to clear that instead. Toxins can wait (or be done leasurely...don't overload the system with full detoxes unless you are prepared for healing crises....up to you...I recommend regular fast first. Then perhaps heavy metal detoxes....as needed).

Eileen (healer)

[Arrowwind]

[FONT="Comic Sans MS"][COLOR="blue"]That's a good effort given my brief post.

Maybe if I summarize for the sake of oversimplification what I project is your perspective, add mine, and you could let me know how close I came.

You believe in reincarnation, and that your soul "enters" or is "added to your" spiritual entity during the 17th week of gestation of each material manifestation. There is the implication that your spirit and soul are separate 'items' [for the lack of a better description].

Please interject with any corrections necessary.

I would only query where is stored the eternal consequences of your material experiences, the soul which becomes detached and re-attached, if at all, or is the 'recollection' attached with the 'spirit form' ?


I do not differentiate between soul and spirit, they are one and the same... or I would say that the soul animates and forms the spirit body when connected to a human form. The spirit body cannot exist but for the soul forming it though the physical reality. The spirit body is at the command of the soul and will go though all the trials and leanings that the soul seeks in any particular incarnation. The human body has life force before 17 weeks but it is supplied by the mother. When the spirit or soul enters, an individuated person now exists in utero.
Soul has a unified cohesive body that is more in the realm of quantum physics and it is trans-dimensional. It carries with it all memory of all incarnations but when an aspect is incarnated only memory that is relative to the current physical life form is allowed to be recalled. The individual life is part of a larger collective body of which all human souls have a part in, or souls that seek human experience. Only a human soul can enter a human physiology although other types of entity can hitchhike so to speak when the soul nature is not well formed or inexperienced. this is called possession. Personality does not move from incarnation to incarnation. It is a temporal experience limited to one body and is the reflection of the work needed to be done in that incarnation at the time and when well controlled by soul, it becomes the tool of the work to be done in that incarnation.

I am also of the opinion but have less direct awareness of this, that the soul can maintain multiple spirit bodies at one time... simultaneously, in different physical bodies and cross dimensionally, as time is an illusion and the soul is ever creative.

I cannot speak for how soul differentiates from first source.

[Tarka the Duck]

Hello Grizzly
Wow - I love your enthusiasm and your enquiring attitude!

I don't want to sound pedantic, but with regard to the Tibetan book of the Dead, the number 49 refers to the maximum number of days spent in the 'bardo' between incarnations. And in Buddhism, there isn't the concept of a soul.

Kathie

[58andfixed]

From my perspective, "The Spark of The Divine," the reflection of The First Source [while some wonder how close "God" is to us, when they turn their eyes upward to the sky & space, I *know* to look within] is right inside, separate and distinct from my soul and personality.

However this is only the initial state.

The state of potential is the state of "fusion," wherein the personality & "The Spark" unite permanently.

This likely has something to do with having given sufficient evidence of doing Her Will with absolutely no doubt, and the body in an instant sheds the material form, and avoids death as we know it.

This would be the process of Enoch and Elijah.

It's interesting that you brought up the distinction, but is a contemplation of great value.

This has been a most interesting digression from the Pineal Gland, and keeping this electro-chemical source functional, for it seems to be a great contributor for thoughts.

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I cannot speak for how soul differentiates from first source. [/COLOR]

[Sky]

Fluoride ossifies the pineal

Meditation (persistent) gorges to pineal and will assist in healing/resurrecting

Soul (emotional base) is not Spirit (mind/intellect based) and Neshema or SoulSpirit is the union we should all strive for...

[grizzzly]

Thank you for that Kathie.This is amazing to go from searching the web with instinct and little knowledge to this kind of information share is a real blessing...grizzly

[Tarka the Duck]

Thank you for that Kathie.This is amazing to go from searching the web with instinct and little knowledge to this kind of information share is a real blessing...grizzly

Keep at it, Grizzly!;)

[conk]

It is a well known and admitted fact that the USSR used fluoride to make the people apathetic. The authorities in this country know that and also know of the long list of dangers. Why is it still in the water then? The conclusion is most obvious, isn't it?