Is it better to just NOT know things?

[Warlock]

I saw a commercial about the Chevy Volt. It said that the car gets 35 miles per electric charge.
I read an article about three weeks ago about an electric car BUILT IN 1896 THAT GETS 40 MILES PER CHARGE.
So a car from the 19th century gets more per charge than a car made in the 21st century? Are you kidding me?
Would it have been better for me to not know about the 19th century car? Better to be ignorant of that fact?

I saw an ad for a NG program on the last days of Osama Bin Laden. They showed that video that I'm sure most of you have seen of an old man watching T.V. in a chair and they show him from the back barely panning part of his profile. Come on, man, give me a break!
Now, I saw that interview, a few years back of David Frost interviewing Benzir Bhutto where she stated Osama had been assasinated. There were other factors about him not being alive that I took into account before I saw that interview, but my point is: Would it have been better for me to just be a "happy, happy, everything is to be taken at face value" kind of person?

MY wife likes to watch the news, and I usually end up leaving the room, but I often comment about how can these people actually report what they do WITH A STRAIGHT FACE!
I mean, these people cannot possibly have a conscience.

These are just a few things I could remember off the top of my head. There are more, but you get the picture.

Is it better to just not know things?
Is it better to just notice and then dismiss these things out of my mind?
Is it better to live in a make believe world than the real one?

Sorry guys/gals, I'm just pissed today and I don't know why.

Warlock

[CdnSirian]

Warlock, I get it. Some days I watch the news and some days I don't. I know 99.9% of what they say is made up, spun, re-spun, you know what I mean. And it's mostly bad news.

I also think that the everyday news anchor person doesn't have a clue. They are not reporters, they are news readers.

Of course there is the top level of the anchor people who do indeed know what's up. You'll find many of their names on the member list of the CFR.

I could use one of those 1896 cars right now. Thanks! :)

[RMorgan]

There´s a doc about it called "Who killed the electric car". It´s about the the GM EV1 and it´s a great documentary.

It´s available on you tube (10 parts). Here´s part one:

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Cheers,

Raf.

[Bongo]

Me personally I couldn't go back to not knowing... I've learned to much that helps me in my life.

but let me ask you... were you any happier before you woke up to what was really going on in the world?

[Eligos]

Initially, I wanted to know more...much more. After a while, I realized that the more I knew the more scared and depressed I became. Now I'm back at wanting to know more again. I guess I'm at the acceptance phase now (how sad) and I can deal with the REAL reality much more.

[Maia Gabrial]

It's always good to know things because then you won't be a empty-headed sucker, falling for the crap.... Just ask yourself how does your anger change the situation? If you can point things out the way you did in your thread, eventually logical people will listen....

[Sophocles]

This saying arose in my mind going through this thread: “The more you learn, the more you realize how little you know.”

Sometimes, maybe it is not a matter of what actually one becomes aware of, but rather the way one becomes aware of it?

Hopes this makes sense to someone...

[Jonathon]

I can totally relate and have wondered the same thing for a good while. What I reconciled within is that knowing grants me opportunity above and beyond what I would have had in years prior - pretty plain and simple. From there, everything else is up to me to resolve. I would rather have the opportunity than not. The greater the catalyst, the greater the learning. The more despondent and angry you become on the outside, the greater the pull to return within and bring harmony to the self, whereby the catalyst is distilled and integrated. Healthy growth it would seem.

[Maria Stade]

Ignorance is blizz I have heard ...LOL no its just escape from truth !
I can re-call that feeling and your thoughts ..... anger and frustration hopeless.
Don t worrie mate even this will pass !
Life is about learning and understanding and developing !
Some times it seems just to much but Hey one day all this will be knowledge to everyone !
Dont be sorry ... be pissed and then you do whats right !

Thanks for sharing ... have a great week OK :thumb:

[Warlock]

Me personally I couldn't go back to not knowing... I've learned to much that helps me in my life.

but let me ask you... were you any happier before you woke up to what was really going on in the world?

Loony, it's been so long ago that I don't remember.

Knowing, or coming to know was a long, gradual process for me, only accelerated by the internet.

It seems like I always knew that there was some type of veil on things.

Some days I just don't like knowing.

Warlock

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It's always good to know things because then you won't be a empty-headed sucker, falling for the crap.... Just ask yourself how does your anger change the situation? If you can point things out the way you did in your thread, eventually logical people will listen....

Maia, that's a great point.
Thank you.

Warlock

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Ignorance is blizz I have heard ...LOL no its just escape from truth !
I can re-call that feeling and your thoughts ..... anger and frustration hopeless.
Don t worrie mate even this will pass !
Life is about learning and understanding and developing !
Some times it seems just to much but Hey one day all this will be knowledge to everyone !
Dont be sorry ... be pissed and then you do whats right !

Thanks for sharing ... have a great week OK :thumb:

Maria, thanks for the good thought.

Warlock

[Maria Stade]

Here is some more to ad to the info !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3CBOdgBlk8&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1vjJEqxOKU&feature=related

Alges reproduces there mass 6 times / day ! They are full of oil !

Look it up !

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Look up how to grow it on youtube ( tipp ...as fish food )

Have a great week !

[Unified Serenity]

Hello and hugs to all! Warlock, I feel you in this. I was just talking to my partner today, and said, you know in the movie Matrix where the one guy just wants back into the matrix where he can enjoy his steak and live a nice comfy life? She said, "yeh" and I continued, "You know I can understand that guy. Imagine a world destroyed by war, nothing but an underground world eeking out a life and constantly fighting to survive vs a world beyond imagination with all the comforts and enough struggle. What would you choose, gruel everyday or the opportunity to have normal food and experiences that seem real?" Deep down though, I have to seek the truth. I have to know. Knowing comes with a price. We know we are lied to daily. We know our elections are rigged. We know we are trained from early like robots to be consumers feeding the greed machine. Maybe enough of us are waking up so that we can choose a new way of living eventually. Except for the religion for me anyway, I can easily see that the Amish are a happier people living their lives away from all this crap.

I'd just love a nice community where I am left alone with my wife, where we work together, have friends who work together, and are out of the ratrace. Not sure I am conveying what I mean. I like modern life in some aspects, but I also love the simplicity of farm life, simple close community sharing life in love, peace, unity, and live and let live attitude. Anyhow, hugs to you warlock, and I hope you are feeling better.

[Sidney]

I have this conversation with myself regularly..lol Some days I wish I wre still in the dark, while other days I'm glad I am awake and aware, but in my heart I enjoy learning, searching and digging for the truth, so I guess I would rather know, other wise I would stop searching.

In hindsight ,even back when I was oblivious I knew in my soul things were very wrong.

[dAkapacity]

Thanx for this thread Warlock !

At times I wish I hadn't known all this ´!"# . Where are the days when I was sitting in front of the telly frying my brain and with my tongue almost hanging out of my face? :wacko: :eyebrows:

"Life is about learning and understanding and developing".

You're absolutely right Maria!! And also 4 other words you used: "even this will pass". Whatever 'this' is, you'll realize that all is 'temporary', that everything will pass/evolve/change/develop/...

When absorbing this 'other kind of info' it's always good to remember the above... It puts things into perspective. It helps to ground and center oneself, to let go of fear, insecurities, thoughtspooks, ... when necessary, to communicate with others when possible, ...

xxdA.

[bodhii71]

I was calling B.S. from a very early age, the desparity that seemed so apparent to me was often ignored or glossed over. Then something happened, school, and the matriculation into the system, and a deep drought of forgetfulness.
After a good deal of family turmoil, a psychic shock took hold, looking around, I realized I had been sleep walking.
After fits of waking and sleeping, I woke... And how sad and depressing. This world, this gift, so horribly squandered.
The spiritual, lasted longer and seems to be unfolding in conjunction with realizations and searching.
And as tempting as it would be to go back unconscious in the matrix, I know I was meant to wake. Maybe not an easier path, but one we must all eventually tread.

[cheez_2806]

yeh I get it...I think that too...all that crap the feed us with~
but looking from another perspective it is good that you can see through all the crap and the choice is in your hands whether you want to leave and get angry with all the stuff that is happening and to what they are doing or could just sit back relax and see what more they can come up with and have a laugh~ well there are more alternatives than just these two you could take.
hehe~ my one is sit back and observe with my rice bowl eating away~~~~

Anyways~I think it is better to try not to be frustrated or influenced by the negative energy that comes out of those things would be good.

It really depends on you - what you choose to be or do after "knowing"

All the best~

[161803398]

This question has never occurred to me BECAUSE its more fun to be SMART!!!

[Black Panther]

"Life is about learning and understanding and developing".

You're absolutely right Maria!! And also 4 other words you used: "even this will pass". Whatever 'this' is, you'll realize that all is 'temporary', that everything will pass/evolve/change/develop/...


Sometimes I think it can't be real. It can't be that bad. And all those people are walking in the Matrix don't have a clue of what's really happening in the world. But I think it's temporary too. We all have to go through this. It's darkest before the dawn. Just hang in there :)

I started a similar thread about why Eckhart Tolle isn't a member of Avalon: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32889-Why-Eckhart-Tolle-isn-t-a-member-of-Avalon. I started that one with the same intentions as you did I guess. We are all talking about all the things that go wrong in the world and how we can fix this world. “We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.” And "Be the change you wanna see in the world". So, after we have become consious of what's really happening in the world we have to raise our and the world frequency to free ourselves from the chains. In stead of drowning ourselves in negativy. Like Anno said:


It is the 'pain body' that is addicted to the drama, fear and oppression of such topics and discussing them ad nauseum on forums is simply feeding your pain body. By focussing on the illuminati or whoever you are creating that reality for yourself because it's on your mind all the time. Your true self doesn't care because it knows it doesn't matter and you have a free choice.

That's the difficult part! After watching all the videos and websites about the things happening behind the scenes we have to let it all go and try to live in the now again. Because by giving attention to it, it becomes stronger.

[ceetee9]

I guess it depends on whether you have no problem being lied to, cheated, manipulated, enslaved, and maybe even killed when there is no longer any use for you, as long as the dream world you have created for yourself makes you happy for whatever amount of time your controllers graciously allow you. %^)

I certainly feel your frustration and anger. I'm sure we all have those days--maybe even many days are like that. It is certainly not fun or desirable to know (or think we know) some of the things we've learned, but overcoming the atrocities in this world could not possibly be achieved without first knowing that the atrocities exist and to what extent. Wading through all the disinformation, half-truths and outright lies is a daunting task for anyone and we may never be able to discern with anywhere near 100% accuracy what all is true and what is not, but I believe one does get better at discerning the truth with practice and sufficient investigation. Humor and a deep seated belief that no matter what happens, it will all be alright in the end is what helps me get through the really negative stuff. My personal belief is that the Creator of what we perceive to be the Universe/Multiverse is a loving, positive energy and given that it allows the horrific things, that occur on this planet alone, to occur, tells me that there is very much more to our existence than what we "know" and "perceive." Consequently, I don't lose much sleep over things--well, except for trying to devise solutions to our 3rd density problems. ;)

[another bob]

Q: What happened to you then? How did you know that you are the Supreme?

M: Nobody came to tell me. Nor was I told so inwardly. In fact, it was only in the beginning when I was making efforts, that I was passing through some strange experiences; seeing lights, hearing voices, meeting gods and goddesses and conversing with them. Once the Guru told me: 'You are the Supreme Reality', I ceased having visions and trances and became very quiet and simple. I found myself desiring and knowing less and less, until I could say in utter astonishment: 'I know nothing, I want nothing.'

Q: Were you genuinely free of desire and knowledge, or did you impersonate a jnani according to the image given to you by your Guru?

M: I was not given any image, nor did I have one. My Guru never told me what to expect.

Q: More things may happen to you. Are you at the end of your journey?

M: There was never any journey. I am, as I always was.

Q: What was the Supreme Reality you were supposed to reach?

M: I was undeceived, that is all. I used to create a world and populate it -- now I don't do it any more.

Q: Where do you live, then?

M: In the void beyond being and non-being, beyond consciousness. This void is also fullness; do not pity me. It is like a man saying: 'I have done my work, there is nothing left to do'.

Q: You are giving a certain date to your realisation. It means something did happen to you at that date. What happened?

M: The mind ceased producing events. The ancient and ceaseless search stopped -- l wanted nothing, expected nothing -- accepted nothing as my own. There was no 'me' left to strive for. Even the bare 'I am' faded away. The other thing that I noticed was that I lost all my habitual certainties. Earlier I was sure of so many things, now I am sure of nothing. But I feel that I have lost nothing by not knowing, because all my knowledge was false. My not knowing was in itself knowledge of the fact that all knowledge is ignorance, that 'I do not know' is the only true statement the mind can make. Take the idea 'I was born'. You may take it to be true. It is not. You were never born, nor will you ever die. It is the idea that was born and shall die, not you. By identifying yourself with it you became mortal. Just like in a cinema all is light, so does consciousness become the vast world. Look closely, and you will see that all names and forms are but transitory waves on the ocean of consciousness, that only consciousness can be said to be, not its transformations.

In the immensity of consciousness a light appears, a tiny point that moves rapidly and traces shapes, thoughts and feelings, concepts and ideas, like the pen writing on paper. And the ink that leaves a trace is memory. You are that tiny point and by your movement the world is ever re-created. Stop moving, and there will be no world. Look within and you will find that the point of light is the reflection of the immensity of light in the body, as the sense 'I am'. There is only light, all else appears.

Q: Do you know that light? Have you seen it?

M: To the mind it appears as darkness. It can be known only through its reflections. All is seen in daylight -- except daylight.


~Nisargadatta Maharaj
I Am That
chptr 78 (All Knowledge Is Ignorance)

Blessings!

[Peace of Mind]

Perhaps you’re upset because you notice the deceptions; it is always good to know the truth. Living or being part of a lie has never been enjoyable. Lies are meant to mislead you into agreeing with some hidden agenda….a scheme you would have not agreed to otherwise. You may just be feeling a bit fatigue from dealing with so much fraud.

Take solace in knowing that you are witnessing truth, and truth always leads to more truth… eventually setting you free…for many are still journeying in the land of the lost consumed by fear and dishonesty because they simply cannot handle the truth (yet). We have been pre-conditioned to support lies; it’s just that now many are overwhelmed with unexplainable emotions. I call it waking up.

Peace

[Davidallany]

Is it better to just NOT know things?

It's rather better not to watch or listen to anything from TV, because it's how the media control people's perception of reality. Last night I was watching a recorded TV series called History of War, it's so superficial and shallow. I could see someone watching it and taking it for face value. Others will want to believe it, because they were told they belong to a different group. Like the Drazi on Babylon 5, grouping by the colour of the scarf, then fighting for whatever group they belong to. It's silly, but they did believe in it.

[58andfixed]

George Farquhar: "Those who know the least obey the best."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Farquhar

".. an Irish dramatist."

"He is noted for his contributions to late Restoration comedy, particularly for his plays The Recruiting Officer (1706) and The Beaux' Stratagem (1707)."

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/0e/George_Farquhar2.jpg/150px-George_Farquhar2.jpg



"Ignorance is bliss for the ignorant, and hell for the rest of us."

~~ Don't know who said this, however I repeat it endlessly.

- 58

[Seikou-Kishi]

A person in whom I place great confidence (and whom I consider wise) once said to me that, in a way not diminishing of the importance of others, the world is all about us in the sense that we are here because it is part of who we are. She once said to me "forget about me, forget about everybody; we're just figments of your imagination just playing our parts".

Of course, she didn't mean to say that others aren't important, but that when we talk about 'the world', what do we mean? The world is just the 'present consciousnesses' considered collectively. For all we know, those who do not know and seem blissfully happy in their ignorance are as much a part of our test as those who do know and do everything they can to make this garden of experience the briar patch it can be.

When I think of my (current) signature "Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves." I cannot but think that it is related to this problem: we're not here to change the world and to wake the world up, we're here to progress for ourselves because we're not here to change the test, we're here to pass it. If we pass by changing ourselves and becoming the people we want to be, it will follow as night follows day that the world will become a better place.

So no, I don't think it's better not to know. It certainly seems happier not to know but really, if we wanted to be happy would we have come here? Wasn't it Yoda who said "Masochists are we, not this nude Satyr" lol so Prozac all round — pop a pill, lie back and flick the V to the world for a few moments until your batteries have recharged :-)

[Margi]

Watching TV ruining me, whether news, movies or shows. Become irritable, so ignore them as I can. My partner Watching TV.
/This is another topic - how to help him. You can force to take, you can not give./
I feel a little stronger when I know I'm not alone. For a long time I lived in fear, sadness and doom. I think slowly I made it with them. Not entirely, but I'm working on it. :) I have lost so many years in the somnolent searches ...
I am glad that I opened my eyes. What I saw shocked me, but the truth is healthy. Now I am an observer of what is happening around me. I try to keep the fragile harmonious feeling in my soul, not angry, not depressed.
There is so much beauty around us, it's so nice when you see ... :)

Thank you all, I wish you good days.

[Eagle]

Not knowing is what got us into the problems we are currently in, ignorance is not bliss, once you have taken the red pill there is no going back to innocence. I would rather know the truth and stand on my own feet and face it rather than being force fed in my wheelchair (sort a speak) by people who would rather see me die then take care of me.

[Snowbird]

I saw a commercial about the Chevy Volt. It said that the car gets 35 miles per electric charge.
I read an article about three weeks ago about an electric car BUILT IN 1896 THAT GETS 40 MILES PER CHARGE.
So a car from the 19th century gets more per charge than a car made in the 21st century? Are you kidding me?
Would it have been better for me to not know about the 19th century car? Better to be ignorant of that fact?

I saw an ad for a NG program on the last days of Osama Bin Laden. They showed that video that I'm sure most of you have seen of an old man watching T.V. in a chair and they show him from the back barely panning part of his profile. Come on, man, give me a break!
Now, I saw that interview, a few years back of David Frost interviewing Benzir Bhutto where she stated Osama had been assasinated. There were other factors about him not being alive that I took into account before I saw that interview, but my point is: Would it have been better for me to just be a "happy, happy, everything is to be taken at face value" kind of person?

MY wife likes to watch the news, and I usually end up leaving the room, but I often comment about how can these people actually report what they do WITH A STRAIGHT FACE!
I mean, these people cannot possibly have a conscience.

These are just a few things I could remember off the top of my head. There are more, but you get the picture.

Is it better to just not know things?
Is it better to just notice and then dismiss these things out of my mind?
Is it better to live in a make believe world than the real one?

Sorry guys/gals, I'm just pissed today and I don't know why.

Warlock

Warlock, if I could give you a standing ovation, I would. I have been asking myself that same question for some time now. I have this rather strange need to know what is going on around me. The more that I learn, the less I know. I sometimes wonder if all of the learning and understanding is going to help in the long run.

I know people whose lives seem rather happy and fulfilled, who still honestly believe that young terrorists with box cutters leveled Manhattan, the Pentagon, crashed a third plane and murdered thousands. I know other people who don't believe in UFOs and think that alien beings are found in toy stores.

And then I take good long looks at what our global population is being forced to endure and I wonder who in hell will stop this heinous insanity before our Earth is blown to smithereens.

We are essentially informed that there are very very few in this life and off planet who we can trust. And, even if these very very few were standing in front of us, we wouldn't know if we should trust them....it's the technology, you know.

I for one, fully understand. :sad:

[slipknotted]

yes stop searching for the truth cause you wont find it , i have stopped searching for the truth and feel better for it.

[doyle]

Thanks for this post warlock its something ive been thinking about alot and can totally relate to
In waking up i had alot of positive things happen for example not worrying quite so much over certain circumstances as this is all an illusion and returning to a simpler more natural and happy life i had as a child but i had just as many negative ones now i have generated certain fears about desease trying to avoid aspartame msg flouride etc and another fear of the unknown mainly multidimensional beings(creeps me out a bit) but relating to the beings and waking up theres good and bad in everything and i suppose we are all trying to find that balance point but overall im glad i know what i know by knowing we have choice ,could even choose to go back to how you was but i doubt you would, waking up is just normality in a time where madness is considered the norm just take a look at the general population no offence but no thanks i dont fit in and im glad we are the future we just gotta hold on tight:flame:

[motherlove]

The ones who do wake up have a huge capacity to heal what they see. All of the emotions that arise through the betrayl of the matrix masters are ancient there is no one that is or has not been affected by the terrible management of this experience. We view the contrast to heal in ourselves what needs to be healed so that it trickles down into the conscious of the collective experiencers. That is how true change happens. First we forgive ourselves then we forgive others, then we wake up to a much better world. A world where we accept responsibility for ourselves our neighbours and the experience. IMHO. You are all very brave to be here now. Best Wishes