The Bob Lazar story

[KiwiElf]

"...It was evening... they called me outside to see something.
It rose about 40 feet in the air.
There was some distortion on the bottom - like a corona.
It stood there. Stable. Silent. Just a little wobble, no rotation.
It was awesome!"-

Robert Lazar, 25 November 1990

In 1989, Physicist Robert Lazar claimed that the US Government had not one, but several captured alien UFOs at its top-secret S4 base. Since then, several other "whistle blowers" from S4 & Area 51 have stepped forward to corroborate Lazar's claims. (NOTE: Although numerous secret stealth aircraft have operated out of Area 51 for decades, many mistakenly think the super-secret base is under Airforce control. Groom Lake is actually a NAVY facility).

Rumours that captured UFOs exist in a secret U.S. military hangar have been around since the infamous Roswell crash of 1947. Lazar shocked the UFO community and the public in 1989, when he stated publicly that the U.S. government did indeed have alien space craft in its possession, and that he had personally witnessed and examined captured alien UFOs at a top secret base known as S4.

Lazar said nine UFOs were housed in hangars cut into the mountainside at S4. One of the craft appeared to have been damaged by a projectile passing through it.

PIC 01 & 02 - THE DISCS (Click on the pics to enlarge and/or download at full size)

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S4 is separated from the more infamous flight test facility at Groom Lake, Nevada, known as "Area 51", by the Papoose Range of mountains. The site is said to be built into the western slopes of the mountains, east of and adjacent to Papoose Dry Lakebed. It is very remote and virtually inaccessible to the public. Even Congressmen attempting to visit the area are told they can't go because the area is "radioactive". So we are told...

PIC 3 - AREA 51 & S4 (Click on the pic to enlarge and/or download at full size)

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The hangar doors match the outside of the mountain, roll up when opened, and are camouflaged to match the terrain and also avoid spy satellite technology. (However, not quick enough to show the remarkable enlargement of a disc-shaped craft in the air approaching S4, taken by a Russian Spy satellite after the Cold War). Security is extremely high at S4. The many guards are civilian, wear desert uniforms and are heavily armed.

According to Lazar, the inside of the hangars are typical military style with painted concrete floors, are well lighted and have numerous yellow workstands scattered about. One of them had a white circle with the number 41, in black, on it.

The "Sport Model" - ANTI-MATTER REACTION, GRAVITY AMPLIFICATION INTERSTELLAR CRAFT

The craft Lazar claimed he worked on - dubbed the "Sport Model" "...because it was just so damn sleek!" - is approximately 52 feet in diameter. Power is said to be generated from an anti-matter reactor in near perfect thermodynamic balance. The propulsion force is gravity, created, amplified and vector-directed aboard the craft. He added that time, as we know it, is altered and, at full power, light is distorted around the disc.

This one rested in the hangar on its lower surface (no landing gear). Lazar said he was on the main floor of the craft, viewed the lower area with the Gravity Amplifiers - even moved them with his hands - but stated he was never in the upper floor of the craft. He thought the upper area might contain navigation and electronic equipment but he was not certain.

Lazar described the interior of the craft as being like a well harmonised symphony. "There is a flow to all aspects." Lazar stated that he felt the internal design was an integrated blend of both structure and power transmission. He said that nothing was wasted; that perhaps it was a device with components and systems "tuned" or in harmony with itself and the universe. An observation that Bruce Cathie has detailed in his "Harmonic" series of books on universal harmonics and Earth Energy grids.

The structure and surface of the craft was described as flowing smoothly, like one piece and every corner had a radius. The material was like a huge seamless piece of stainless steel. He could not fit in the seats because they were too small. The question that follows is: Then who are these seats designed for? Lazar is very firm in stating that he never saw a live "alien." He did say that he has read summary reports on aliens while at S4.

People working with him jokingly referred to the aliens as "The Kids." He could stand in the centre of the craft but not at the edges, and his hair tended to stand up while he was inside, indicating an electrostatic charge. Lazar also mentioned that the disc was showing signs of rough treatment; the "human intervention," as he termed it.

He claims that he saw posters on the lab walls that humorously said, "They're here!"

Lazar worked on this UFO between 1988-89 and saw the ship rise and hover over the desert floor. It was silent with only a slight wobble in flight.

PROPULSION SYSTEM

This disc is capable of two distinct modes of travel (below): The "Omicron" configuration is used for short-range travel near a source of gravity such as a star or planet, (and within a planet's atmosphere). The "Delta" configuration is used for travelling larger, more vacuous areas of space/time as would be required for interstellar travel. The gravity amplifiers of the disc can be focused independently; they are pulsed and do not stay on continuously. When all three of these amplifiers are being used for travel they're in the "Delta" configuration. When only one is being used for travel it's in the "Omicron" configuration. When the disc is near another source of gravity like earth, the Gravity-A wave which propagates outward from the disc, is phase-shifted into the Gravity-B wave which propagates outward from the planet creating lift.

PIC 4 - PROPULSION SYSTEM (Click on the pic to enlarge and/or download at full size)

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ANTI-MATTER REACTOR & ELEMENT 115
The ball-shaped end of the reactor (above) houses a cone-shaped layered mass of heavy material designated Element 115. It is a low-level alpha emitter. This material is used in an almost perfect 100% matter annihilation reaction.

(As any "Trekker" will tell you, the legendary "USS Enterprise" in STAR TREK also uses "anti-matter" engines and literally "warps" space. But this UFO does it for real! (Which also validates just how visionary STAR TREK's creator - the late Gene Roddenberry - really was).

The Waveguide Terminator at the top of the craft is very similar to other UFOs described in the past, as are the three gravity amplifiers, observed in both the Adamski Saucer and Early German designs, notably the HAUNEBU I, II & III Series, housed in three spheres or balls under the craft. The "sport model" also bears a close resemblance to one of the Billy Meier discs.

The Gravity Amplifiers attach to the floor with what seems to be a "flexible metal." Lazar said that he could move the amplifiers easily, yet felt their weight. This also corroborates the description Frank Scully made in his book "Behind The Flying Saucers," and George Adamski in the 1950's. Scully described those ships as "having three ball or spherical devices on the underside" and "were easily able to be rotated by hand but had virtually no weight".

Lazar has been criticized and challenged by many suggesting that the discs are simply Earth-made advanced technology. His rebuttal to this is, "well why would we be reverse-engineering an existing [Earth-made] craft with seats only a child could sit in?" He also adds that Element 115 doesn't even exist on Earth yet or any of our Periodic Tables.

Recommended reading and full details here:

http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/

http://www.BobLazar.com/

[Jonathon]

Sheer awesome-ness =)

[Lord Sidious]

Funny that some of them resemble Haunebu. :p

[KiwiElf]

Funny that some of them resemble Haunebu. :p

Indeed Lord Sid. I think there's a high possibility that the Adamski ship and Haunebu are one and the same, especially when you consider Adamski's description of the Venusians: "Good looking, blond, blue-eyed humans, Nordic-looking". Reminiscent fo Admiral Byrd's description of the Aryans he claims to have encountered at the Antarctic, who spoke in perfect English... and German ;).

[Lord Sidious]

I still reckon that you avalonuggets should be leaving area 51 behind and research area 19.

[Moemers]

Wanna give us something to get started?

[KiwiElf]

Wanna give us something to get started?

Google is your friend!! :P

http://www.dreamlandresort.com/info/area19.html

[Carmody]

I still reckon that you avalonuggets should be leaving area 51 behind and research area 19.

oh...made me look.

(85 nuke tests took place in that overall area.)

I's probably loaded with rare earth metals, like the area around 'area 51'.

rare earth metals are critical to superconductor manufacturing.

The human nervous system is 'superconductive'. further information is in the 'question of lithium' thread.

The logical conclusion is, within the scope of alchemy and on the context of the information in the lithium thread... that consumption of -and use of- these materials may be desirable, regarding increasing human capacity to 'gate' dimensional energies. (DGS lingo from transistor design)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pahute_Mesa

[Lord Sidious]

Nope, there is a tunnel system there built into the side of a canyon/hill.
That is the REAL base you guys wanna read up on.

[Spellbound]

It was a indirect result of hearing about Bob Lazar that led me to Project Camelot 2 and a half years ago. I had watched the UFO Hunters episode mentioning Lazar and upon doing a google search on him I came across the Camelot interview with John Lear which completely mesmorized me. Then I googled Project Camelot...jackpot!! I watched each and every video I could get my hands on (all within a few weeks). After the split of Bill and Kerry...I ended up here at Avalon (mostly lurking). But yeah, props to Bob Lazar...definite props!!

Peace

Dave - Toronto

[haibane]

(85 nuke tests took place in that overall area.)

I's probably loaded with rare earth metals, like the area around 'area 51'.

You're bound to find some extremely rare elements in a place where 85 nukes were detonated.

(shoot, can't find a smiley for smart-a*s)

[Carmody]

Nope, there is a tunnel system there built into the side of a canyon/hill.
That is the REAL base you guys wanna read up on.

I was just saying (meaning)....'besides all of the base connotations and such'.

Basically, to strengthen the potentials and premise. To toss another log on the fire of circumstantial evidence, so to speak.

[Davidallany]

Funny that some of them resemble Haunebu.
Maybe they are Haunebus. As for other UFO they could be driven by a Haunebu engines.

[mountain_jim]

It was a music forum poster laughing about claims of Dan Burisch which lead me to Project Camelot, 4+ years ago. Took me awhile to decide to 'come out and play' here though, after much auditing time. :)

[Ishtar]

Funny that some of them resemble Haunebu. :p

Agreed! ;)

The intradimensional entities (aka the spirits) that the shaman communes with don't need spacecraft. I would even go further to say that if they needed a spacecraft to contact me, they probably haven't got much to teach me, or that I'd want to learn. If this seems strange, I do apologise and I'm not trying to be provocative. As soon as I get permission to post a new topic, I will explain some more about what shamanism is and how easy it is to get extradimensional intelligence and guidance which, in my experience, is always completely accurate. Just to give a short preview ~ you don't need to lay in a tray of gel to contact them. ;)

[161803398]

Why so many nukes? You'd think one test would be enough? Are they tests or what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY

[jackovesk]

Bob Lazar (Area 51/S4) Hypnotic (Regression) Transcript

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Some of you may have heard that Bob Lazar (of Area-51 Fame) had undergone hypnotic regression, but those transcripts were not available to the public until recently, when John Lear - son of the genius Bill Lear and friend of Bob Lazar- began releasing these transcripts onto the internet.

The Lazar story is a controversial one and many people are dismissive of the man's tale, however it is important to gather as much data on it as possible and these transcripts help to form a more complete history of the events of that time, regardless of whether or not they lend credence to the story told by Lazar.

For your viewing pleasure and to aid in your research, I will now post portions of those transcripts which have already been released and provide a link to the remainder. The images have been resized to aid in viewing and to save bandwidth and download time. The pages are from the second regression session which was taped and transcribed by John Lear.

The 'First Five' pages:

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/4683/lazarregressionpage1a.jpg

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/3196/lazarregressionpage2a.jpg

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Links to rest of the pages:




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http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/961/boblazarpage7.jpg

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And here is the link to the site where John Lear began posting the transcripts:

Open Minds Forum - Lazar Regression Transcribed August 10, 1989

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=johnlear&thread=9489&page=1#288711

[jackovesk]

Question:

"By the way John, has Bob ever reproduced the symbols / character set / language /mathematical shapes which he saw within the craft (or from reading the reports he has described)? Do you have something from Bob that you can post here?"

Thanks.

Here are a few:

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/2019/alienletters.jpg

There were several archways on the interior of the saucer. When Bob was inside all the these archways changed from just a surface covering to a view outside with writing on the right side of the view:

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/6271/viewfromseatsjpeg.jpg

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=johnlear&action=display&thread=9489&page=5

[DNA]

This is good stuff. Wendelle Stevens interviewed a sentry who defected from Area 51 who stated that folks who worked there underwent regular hypnosis sessions, so it is conceivable that folks were given the suggestion for certain details at S4, or Area 51 as most folks know of it, to not be accessable. Wendelle also talks about a colonial who defected as well in the third volume of the series who repeats substantiates everything the sentry had stated. Including that both were likely killed when they were "going" to retire with aggressive brain tumors that were purposelly bestowed upon them.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2Sb2VNp5Uc

[learninglight]

Ty Jackovsek could this have any connection to what went on here : The alien shoot out at Dulce underground base, a thread on avalon well worth a look

What made me think of this thread was when under regression Bob says he thinks the surname of the Barry guy begins 'Cas' something...well imediately i thought of Tom Castello, i know the first names are different but you never know

much love

[alienHunter]

Though, I'm a fan of Bob Lazar, the one thing that has always bothered me about him is his use of the term 'back engineer'. The proper technical term is 'reverse engineer'. Kind of a nit...but it's always made me wonder...

[ernesto]

I wonder if this case was real...

http://users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/closed/Beautydisc2.jpg
http://www.boblazar.com/
http://users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/

There is a plastic kit of the UFO, made by Testors:
http://www.oldmodelkits.com/jpegs/Testors%20576%20UFOop.JPG

Ernesto

[Maia Gabrial]

Remember how Bob Lazar was seriously harassed and made to look like a fool after coming forward with what he saw at Area 51? Remember how they tried to prove he never worked for them, even tried to make his impressive creditials sound phoney?
Don't you think it's odd how quickly they took him back into their fold? I wonder if he's still alive....

[Harley]

Remember how Bob Lazar was seriously harassed and made to look like a fool after coming forward with what he saw at Area 51? Remember how they tried to prove he never worked for them, even tried to make his impressive creditials sound phoney?
Don't you think it's odd how quickly they took him back into their fold? I wonder if he's still alive....

Yes, Yes, Yes, and the last I heard Yes.

Just like Henry Deacon (Arthur Neumann).

[wynderer]

hello Harley my friend -- good to see you again -- thanks for info re B Lazar still being alive

when deeply exploring via the net the connection between the Human military & ETs, i sometimes felt that i was spinning down endless rabbit holes

wyn



Remember how Bob Lazar was seriously harassed and made to look like a fool after coming forward with what he saw at Area 51? Remember how they tried to prove he never worked for them, even tried to make his impressive creditials sound phoney?
Don't you think it's odd how quickly they took him back into their fold? I wonder if he's still alive....

Yes, Yes, Yes, and the last I heard Yes.

Just like Henry Deacon (Arthur Neumann).

[Harley]

A personal/professional problem crops-up at work. You take it to your manager and he tells you he'll see what he can do, but the problem persists. So you go back to your manager, telling him that something really needs to be done. The next thing you know your manager comes back to you and, sometimes in a very firm way, tells you something like 'This is the way it is. Now forget about it and get back to work'.

The problem persists and you start complaining about it with your work-mates. Some will agree but most do not want to stir up problems with management ("The system"). They are good little robots.

The problem still is not being addressed, may even be getting worse, and is really bothering you now. Maybe even to the point where it's affecting your work performance.

By now you are bringing it home with you, talking and complaining about it with your family. And then your friends. And then . . .

Sound a little familiar to anyone here?

The scenario above is just a generalized example. But the point is something like this could garner you a lot of attention by your employers and, depending on your professional circumstances, your punishment might be anywhere from a verbal reprimand, to getting fired, to . . . ?

So what can you do to protect yourself from being fired . . . or worse? Simple. It's one of the most important aspects of job security. You specialize. And the more areas within your job that you can become an expert, the more invaluable you become to your employers.

I don't know any specifics regarding the two guys mentioned above but, generally speaking, I know I'm not far off.
These guys gained attention, were reprimanded (warned), and then were made an offer of which they couldn't refuse, because they were experts in their own fields. They were needed.

In contrast, compare the circumstances of 'Mr. X', a former UFO archivist (http://projectcamelot.org/mr_x.html).

'Mr. X' was (or had been) in a position where he seen a lot of documents and was privy to a lot of information, but it wasn't a position in which one could really specialize. In other words he could easily be (or had already been) replaced by just about anyone who could qualify for the required security clearances, etc.

The point of my comparison is simple: Whatever his reasons were for talking . . . Where is he now?

The next step is damage control.

For the most part, the countless and endless (and many times dead-ended) rabbit holes begin with simple damage control and then (to the largest extent) are created by the alt-community. And more specifically - The Conspiracy Theorists.

You can do wonders with the tiniest bit of disinfo.

And for the ptb, You Tube is one of the best inventions ever.

In any case: Problem solved.

:)

[MistahMojoRisin]

I for one have never been sold on this story. As somone who investigates many ufology topics (and has done so since the age of 11), I used to believe there was a lot of truth with this one. Then he disapeared and fell off the radar. One person who I put a lot of faith in is Stanton Friedman when it comes to doing research and investigations on UFO topics. I have copied and pasted the following article of interest on Bob L that he posted and if interested you can see the full article here on his official website:

http://www.stantonfriedman.com/index.php?ptp=articles&fdt=2011.01.07

Here it is in case your to lazy to follow the ling :) Read on, interesting reading.

THE BOB LAZAR FRAUD


December 1997
(Updated January 2011)
By Stanton T. Friedman



Pierce College Stephanie Asher
Incredible claims have been made about Bob Lazar for years. He supposedly is a physicist with an MS in Physics from MIT and an MS in Electronics from the California Institute of Technology. He was a “Scientist” for Los Alamos National Laboratory, and obtained a job back-engineering UFOs at a very secret site S-4 near Area 51 in Nevada through noted Physicist, the late Dr. Edward Teller.

Supposedly he figured out how saucers work using Element 115 — matter/anti-matter, etc. He was able to steal a small quantity of 115 from the 500 pounds available, but this was stolen back. There was indeed an announcement in early 2004 about the production of 4 atoms of element 115 by operating a huge European accelerator for many weeks. It has a very short half life so there is no way to accumulate pounds of it. He supposedly came forward with his story despite death threats because he thought the public has a right to know. Videotapes are available with his claims.

It is all BUNK.

Not one shred of evidence has been put forth to support this story: No diplomas, no résumés, no transcripts, no memberships in professional organizations, no papers, no pages from MIT or Caltech yearbooks. He also mentioned, in a phone conversation with me, California State University at Northridge and Pierce Junior College — also in the San Fernando Valley, California. I checked all four schools. Pierce said he had taken electronics courses in the late 1970s. The other three schools never heard of him.

The page from the Los Alamos National Lab phone book with Lazar’s name on it clearly states that it includes employees of the DOE and outside contractor, Kirk Meyer. “K/M” follows Lazar’s name. This proves he worked for K/M, not LANL.

I checked with LANL’s personnel department for Lazar’s name and that of an old colleague. They found my guy, but not Lazar.

He was publicly asked when he got his MS from MIT. He said “Let me see now, I think it was probably 1982.” Nobody getting an MS from MIT would not know the year immediately. He was asked to name some of his profs, He said: “Let’s see now, Bill Duxler will remember me from the physics department at Caltech.” I located Dr. Duxler. He’s a Pierce Junior College physics prof, and never taught at Caltech. Lazar was registered in one of his courses at the same time Lazar was supposedly at MIT! Nobody who can go to MIT goes to Pierce JC, not to mention the rather long commute between LA and Cambridge, Mass.

I checked his High School in New York State. He graduated in August, not with his class. The only science course he took was chemistry. He ranked 261 out of 369, which is in the bottom third. There is no way he would have been admitted by MIT or Caltech. An MS in Physics from MIT requires a thesis. No such thesis exists at MIT, and he is not on a commencement list. The notion that the government wiped his CIVILIAN records clean is absurd. I checked with the Legal Counsel at MIT — no way to wipe all his records clean. The Physics department never heard of him and he is not a member of the American Physical Society.

When he declared bankruptcy in the mid 1980s for almost $300,000.00 he listed his occupation as a self-employed film processor. With MS degrees from MIT and Caltech? Caltech would not have accepted him for an MS program, if he already had one from MIT.

His propulsion scheme sounds good (as do many science fiction stories), but makes no real sense especially in view of how difficult it would be to add protons to #115. Gravity wave amplification sounds great but what does it mean?

He could not have gotten a Compartmentalized Security clearance having operated a brothel. His W-2 form from the Department of Naval Intelligence totals under $1000.00, at most a week’s pay for a scientist. You can’t get a security clearance in a week.

Scientists leave trails. Lazar is NOT a scientist. He couldn’t even answer scientific questions put to him. An excellent review of Bob’s “Physics” can be seen at web.archive.org/web/20061220030435/http://www.serve.com/mahood/lazar/critiq.htm.

I should add that Bob is a bright and talented guy who operated a jet powered car, put on fireworks displays, and apparently helped physics professors working at the Los Alamos Meson accelerator facility.

[ThePythonicCow]

I for one have never been sold on this story. As somone who investigates many ufology topics (and has done so since the age of 11), I used to believe there was a lot of truth with this one. Then he disapeared and fell off the radar. One person who I put a lot of faith in is Stanton Friedman when it comes to doing research and investigations on UFO topics. I have copied and pasted the following article of interest on Bob L that he posted and if interested you can see the full article here on his official website:

http://www.stantonfriedman.com/index.php?ptp=articles&fdt=2011.01.07

Stan Friedman really punches a hole in that one -- thanks.

Your first two sentences confuse me. On the one hand you "have never been sold on this story", but on the other hand you "used to believe there was a lot of truth with this one" :)

[MistahMojoRisin]

so let me rephraze my earlier statment (thanks for the catch I wrote this on my way out of a hard day at work.)
As a younger man I thought there was something to this.
After reading S.F's statments I have not been sold on the B.L story. I think S.F. makes many great points here.

[jackovesk]

My Recollections Of The Enigmatic Bob Lazar ... Alleged Former Area 51 'Scientist' By Norio Hayakawa
7-8-6

Most Recent News On Bob Lazar (Click Here) (http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.06/chemistry.html)

I am not here to defend nor to put Bob Lazar down.

The fact is that Bob Lazar has been categorized as a fraud by most so-called UFO researchers and the public-at-large, although there are still some who hold on to the belief that Bob Lazar was who he said he was and that he did everything that he claimed.

One person who still totally and adamantly supports Bob Lazar's claims is KLAS-TV Eyewitness News anchorman, George Knapp, and of course, Bob's friend, Las Vegas real estate appraiser, Gene Huff.

Is Bob Lazar a total fraud?

I am still not sure. I still have some unanswered questions.

As for Bob Lazar's timeline, the whole world had already been familiar with Tom Mahood's timeline of Lazar, which he published in 1994.

However, not everyone is familiar with Gene Huff's 1995 rebuttal of Tom Mahood's timeline of Lazar.

But, thanks to Gary Sellani, Gene Huff's 1995 rebuttal of Tom Mahood's timeline was once again posted on the dreamlandresort.com recently.

As I said above, personally, I still have some unanswered questions about Bob Lazar:

It was on February 21, 1990 that a crew of Nippon Television Network (NTV) of Japan and I (total of 7) had an opportunity to visit and interview Bob Lazar at his residence in Las Vegas. This was made possible through Bob's friend, real estate appraiser, Gene Huff.

We arrived at Bob's residence around 11 a.m., or so, to the best of my recollection.

They took us to the living room, which at that time did not seem to me to be fully furnished and "lived". They showed us Bob's study room, which also did not seem to me to be fully furnished. Yes, there were a few books on physics on the bookshelf and there were computers on his desk. In any case, the interview was conducted by a writer from a magazine and I was simply there as an interpreter.

The interview lasted about two hours.

When we arrived at his house, there were about 5 or 6 men in the house.

At first I thought they were simply Bob's friends. But later on I notieced something unusual about some of those men. It seemed that throughout the interview, whether in the living room or in Bob's study room, two men were constantly on each side of Bob. One of them seemed to have a rectangular black communications equipment with him. Perhaps it could have been a cellphone (although this was in 1990).

When we moved to the kitchen area, those two men also moved alongside Bob. When we moved to Bob's study room, those men also moved together with Bob.

So we asked Bob, "who are these men?" Bob simply said that, "don't worry, these are just friends".

Perhaps this was nothing. But I just thought to bring this up, because that's the one thing throughout the interview that impressed me the most.

What do I think of Bob?

I still cannot come to a conclusion.

In any case, later that Wednesday afternoon, the TV crew and I drove about 2 hours from Las Vegas and reached the location where Bob had said we would see a test flight of a object arising over the Groom Mountains.

And, indeed, immediately after sundown and after haveing set up the TV cameras, etc. on the dirt road (right next to Hwy 375), Lord, behold!!, around 6:45 p.m. we observed a bright orangish light appearing over the Groom Mountains and made some interesting maneuvers. I was quite impressed at that time. Around 7:15 p.m., another light came up. In any case, this was the beginning of my real interest in Area 51, before Area 51 was even a household name at that time.

As the years went by, I came to dismiss my initial excitement about those sightings. I came to the conclusion that those lights were a test-flying of our aircraft (such as prototypes of newer black triangular craft) (or possibly, the initial phases of test-flights of UAVs, or "unmanned aerial vehicles", or even "unmanned combat aerial vehicles" (UCAVs), or other remotely-controlled platforms.

As the years went by, I also began to have some questions regarding Bob Lazar. A few years later, I did see a copy of Bob Lazar's paycheck.
It wasn't much. Something like about $987.00.

Then I found out that Bob Lazar's Social Security Number did not belong to Bob Lazar but to a lady in New York.

Also, I began to have doubts about Bob Lazar for his not keeping the promise that he would fly to Japan in early March of 1990 to appear live on the 2-hour Japanese TV program on Area 51. I was waiting for his flight from Vegas to Los Angeles where I was to meet him. He never showed up. Later on, the producer of the TV program said that he got an urgent call from Bob that Bob was not allowed to go to Japan to appear on that program. This was a total disappointment.

Also, later on, I also came under the impression that Bob Lazar kept the $(honorarium) which was a guarantee that he would appear on the program live in Japan. Nevertheless, in mid March of 1990, a two-hour prime time TV Special on Area 51 was aired in Japan (without the live appearance portion of the program) and was seen by millions and millions of people there, when Area 51 wasn't even known by a lot of the American public.

So, what do I think of Bob Lazar?

Like I said, I still cannot conclusively dismiss him totally.

He is a genius in science and technology, no doubt about that.

The whole world, by now, also knows that Bob Lazar moved to New Mexico in the Sandia Mountains, next to Albuquerque. It is my understanding that he still does some contract work occasionally for various defense-related sub-contractors (not the direct contractors). His present activities also include United Nuclear.

Was Bob Lazar part of a disinformation campaign? Was he a witting participant or was he manipulated unwittingly in the disinformation ploy? I do not know. What I also know is that Bob Lazar had a huge debt while he worked in New Mexico, prior to moving in to Nevada.

What I also know is that the Air Force did benefit from the belief by a segment of the population (and a push by a segment of the population to promote this theory) that Area 51 was somehow associated with extraterrestrial technology.

It definitely helped in bringing about the "laughter curtain" to Area 51, which was needed as a "cover story".

It is my understanding that occasionally, "cover stories" are created by defense contractors during certain projects to draw attention away from or to bring up a "laughter curtain" to discret researchers' scrutiny of such projects.

But again, I could be wrong.

STRANGE BEHAVIOR OF BOB LAZAR PART II

In 1991, my former colleague, Gary Schultz and I organized an "Ultimate UFO Seminar" in the Little A-le-Inn (at that time known as Rachel's Bar and Grill).

Despite little prior notice on this event, that memorable evening, the entire inn was filled with people. It was standing room only. There weren't any space left even to walk around.

The only speakers were Gary Schultz and myself.

We did not invite any particular guests, but we were surprised to see Lincoln County Sheriff himself, Dahl Bradfield, seated inside. We were also astonished to see William Cooper (who, later on became a rabble-rousing militiaman and was killed a few years ago in Arizona) seated also, silently listening to our presentation.

There was Anthony J. Hilder (a rabble-rousing former talk show host in Alaska) in the crowd.

We also noticed that Sean Morton (an unknown enthusiast at that time who later on became a well-known self-professed "prophet" through his appearances on the wacky Art Bell show) was seated. (I am ashamed to say that I myself was a rabble-rouser at that time who also had appeared on the wacky Art Bell radio show a few times!!).

As Gary and I continued with our speech, we were surprised to see John Lear (son of the inventor of the Lear Jet) enter the room. A little later, the door opened again and here comes George Knapp, KLAS-TV news anchorman. Then about 30 minutes later, we were astonished to see Bob Lazar enter the room, together with his girlfriend. There was no space left for them to be seated. We never expected these individuals to be there. Literally, the entire Little A-le-Inn was filled with so many so-called UFO "luminaries", all in one place. There must have been at least 95 to 110 people there.

Bob Lazar and his girlfriend stood in the kitchen, initially appearing to be looking towards us and listening to our presentations. But, instead, what we noticed was that Bob Lazar was continually laughing at Gary Schultz while he was giving the serious lecture. It seemed as if Lazar was mocking the entire Area 51/S-4 topic as if he himself didn't believe in it. I simply could not understand the reaction of Bob Lazar. There may be nothing to this, but I just felt that his behavior was a little odd.

Two years later, in 1993, again Gary Schultz and I organized a much larger "Ultimate UFO Seminar" at the same place. However, this time we anticipated a much larger crowd so we decided to have it outside during the daytime, right next to the Little A-le-Inn. I believe it was in May. By this time, Gary Schultz became more acquainted with Bob Lazar and Bob Lazar agreed to come to speak.

We requested Joe Travis of the Little A-le-Inn to set up 200 chairs outside. Joe said he will take care of it.

When both Gary and I arrived at the Little A-le-Inn the day of the gatheirng, we were totally astonished to see a huge military tent right next to the Inn. What was strange was that we didn't expect such a large military tent to be there. When we asked Joe Travis how he got that tent, he simply said that he borrowed the tent from the base (i.e., Area 51). I wasn't aware then that Joe Travis had a working relationship with Area 51!! (the fact of which he really didn't talk too much).

The base definitely knew that we would be having a large gathering in Rachel.

(In recent times, it is my understanding that the new security cameras at the present day Little A-le-Inn were installed by military contractors, per gratis or not, I am not sure, although Pat Travis said that the cameras are not connected to anything beyond her operation. As you know, it is assumed that there is a fixed camera on Bald Mountain pointing at the Little A-le-Inn's parking lot).

In any case, there were almost 200 people (from all over the U.S. and even some from Canada) at the seminar/gathering. Remember, this was in 1993. Among the audience was Glenn Campbell, a computer specialist who just moved to Nevada from the East Coast. Glenn Campbell, later on, became an Area 51 activist who was instrumental in publicizing the existence of Area 51 base to a much wider segment of society.

By the way, when Bob Lazar arrived at the seminar (he came with a couple of ladies), we were surprised to see his Corvette which had a license plate "MJ-12". It was probably his mockery of the alleged existence of MJ-12. That memorable event was covered by a Los Angeles Times reporter.

That was to be Bob Lazar's last public appearance.

---END---

http://rense.com/general72/recoll.htm

[MistahMojoRisin]

THat is all very interesting Jack, never read that before. This adds a lot of questions as to what B.L. was all about.

[ernesto]

From a logical point of view, Just imagine that if these events were true, Bob Lazar should be under terrible presure from goverment agents that would be working to discredit him 24 hours a day with unlimited budget. So under these circumstances any odd behaviour should be consider totally normal, and part of the game being played. On the other hand if he would be a lier, then any odd behaviour should be considered strange and out of place. Therefore my conclusion is that the probabilities may say that was a real case.

Ernesto

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Bit of a Lazar fan. Hes ok in mybook

[Mike Gorman]

Remember how Bob Lazar was seriously harassed and made to look like a fool after coming forward with what he saw at Area 51? Remember how they tried to prove he never worked for them, even tried to make his impressive creditials sound phoney?
Don't you think it's odd how quickly they took him back into their fold? I wonder if he's still alive....

Yes, Yes, Yes, and the last I heard Yes.





Just like Henry Deacon (Arthur Neumann).

You remember that Brown USA Passport Henry had at the conference ? Does anyone here know what this type of Passport signifies really...it seemed to quite different to the type issued to Joe & Jane citizen?

[n.cangiano]

i would have to say hes ok in my book. Unless it was an act to make him more believable he has been asked plenty of questions on other stuff that he simply says idk so i cant tell you anything on that. I would think if he was lying he wouldnt have just stuck with one thing. He could have gone on about other things also. Even if he just stated other things he had heard from other people and incorporated it into his own story. I maybe wrong but i think other peoples understanding or knowledge of how the ships work matched B.L. explanation on how they work.

[Skywizard]

[posted by Ernesto]
“From a logical point of view, Just imagine that if these events were true, Bob Lazar should be under terrible pressure from government agents that would be working to discredit him 24 hours a day with an unlimited budget”.

[posted by Jackovesk]
“Most Recent News On Bob Lazar (Click Here)”

Just my option, Ernesto makes a good point and Jack’s (Click Here) site really adds the fuel to it.

I’m not saying Bob’s story is a lie or the truth, but deep down inside I want to think it’s true, I don’t know how to explain, the nature in me just wants to believe it.

Bob Lazar was very brave and courageous for what he did (lie or truth). It took a lot of nerve to expose a secret (or statement) like he did. I really don’t think he was looking for fame and fortune (maybe the reporter was). If this were the truth, I believed he might have thought the out come of this exposure would have been taken differently by the American people (maybe finally discloser). Maybe he didn’t actually realize just how smart and fast the government could make this (and almost him) go away and it sure didn’t take that long… know what I mean.

He actually risked his life to do this (lie or truth) and I’m sure he knew that when he first opened his mouth but still he put it out there… You be the judge.

Good post Ernesto and Jackovesk!

~skywizard

Ps~ just turned it to the Discover Channel and guess who they were talking about?
weellll… shut the front door!! ;)

[idiom]

I tend to lean towards some truth by also listening to those who corroborate with bob's story like John Leer and Boyd Bushman because of the positions they have had in life from a decorated test pilot to a retired senior engineer from skunk works before it was skunk works. The question is "who is credible ?" I would like to know more about this you tube video if anyone has info. Thanks
"Physicist Robert Lazar Sentencing in Nevada court 1990"

[Harley]

I tend to lean towards some truth by also listening to those who corroborate with bob's story like John Leer and Boyd Bushman because of the positions they have had in life from a decorated test pilot to a retired senior engineer from skunk works before it was skunk works. The question is "who is credible ?" I would like to know more about this you tube video if anyone has info. Thanks
"Physicist Robert Lazar Sentencing in Nevada court 1990"

Listen closely to the judge.

Also, if you have the time, read some of the viewer's comments.

Example:

I remember seeing this video of yours months ago when I first researched Bob Lazar. It's an incredible document - where did you get hold of this? Kudos! Anyway, it is indeed a strong corroboration of Lazar's story, and the W2 reference is very significant.

I have also seen a strong parallel with the McKinnon case - in both cases they are apparently level-headed "outsiders", supposedly having taken a peek "inside" and willing to report what they saw...

Physicist Robert Lazar Sentencing in Nevada court 1990
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oV5gOKbakT8

[Skywizard]

Bob Lazar is best known as the whistleblower that outed Area 51 and its extraterrestrial secrets. He claims to have been an employee there tasked with back engineering alien technology. In a recent email from his company, apparently he is now a science and technology consultant to Raytheon, and his company has contracts with the military.
In 1989, KLAS investigative reporter George Knapp conducted an interview that forever changed UFO mythology. This is when he first interviewed Bob Lazar live for his Las Vegas viewers. Lazar claimed to have worked in a secret underground lab called S4, 8 miles south of the main Area 51 base. Here he says there were several disc-shaped craft that looked as though they had been damaged. He says he was told they were extraterrestrial, and he noted that they appeared to be built for pilots that were small and humanoid.
He started telling friends about his work at the base, and even told them where and when they could view test flights. He and his friends were then busted and he was fired. So the story goes. The Air Force denies his claims. However, upon investigation, Knapp found that another top secret facility, Los Alamos National Laboratories (LANL) in New Mexico, had Lazar listed in their phone book. Lazar said he had worked there, but LANL denied that claim.
However, other claims by Lazar did not pan out. He said he received degrees from the California Institute of Technology and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, neither of which can be confirmed.
For a large part of the 90s Lazar’s claims made big news, and became the bedrock for claims of ET technology being horded by the United States government. This has lead to Area 51 getting the legendary status it currently enjoys, although at the same time it remains a top secret facility.

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Lazar left the UFO limelight, and has not spoken on the topic for many years. He started a scientific equipment and supply store called United Nuclear. I contacted them to find out if Lazar would be interested in speaking about his experiences, as next year will be the 25th anniversary of his interviewed with Knapp. I was told:
Sorry, Mr. Lazar no longer involves himself in matters related to the topic of UFOs.
He hasn’t followed the topic in about 10 years and does not lecture on anything other than basic science & energy technologies.
His companies are involved in several Military contracts and he is a science & technology consultant to Raytheon weapon systems.
For these reasons he avoids ‘rocking the boat’ and generally keeps his distance from the topic.

Source: http://www.openminds.tv/update-on-area-51-whistleblower-bob-lazar-1064/

peace...
skywizard

[ghostrider]

odd enough, when bob came on the scene, nobody was talking about area 51 and ET's ... he was all alone ... in his vhs tapes, ha tells my age, he broke down the science behind how a disk works , and gave all the math behind it on a chalk board ... for us science geeks , it was very interesting, you could ask a science teacher and the theory is easily validated ...

[ceetee9]

I find it interesting that a guy who allegedly worked at Los Alamos and Area 51/S4 and was fired when he exposed UFO/ET secrets and then made to look a buffoon when his employment and educational credentials couldn't be verified goes silent and then ends up with his own scientific supply company with military contracts and as a consultant to Raytheon weapons systems. But then we all know the government would never offer those kinds of perks to a crazy nut job in return for their silence. Right? ;)

[JohnEAngel]

Bob Lazar was one of the first of those conspiracy theorist' people i came across over 10 years ago that really freaked me out. it challenged my reality but it left me with a partially opened mind. i had always believed that life beyond Earth was visiting here but his claims seemed to resonate with me although a part of me objected. as far as his claims of degrees from the California Institute of Technology and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and the subsequent denial from each institution, i think we all know how easily this information can be expunged by the dark forces.

[ghostrider]

I think the only reason Bob is still alive is, the public would say aaahh ha, he must have been telling the truth and they killed him for it ... NOW we have to look into it deeper ...his friend John Lear says he hasn't seen bob in awhile, he thinks he went back to work on the inside ... when asked , Bob said if he had it to do all over again , he would have remained silent, it was not worth the hell they put him through ... Bob always struck me as telling the truth as he knew it ...

[MadMax1]

Hang on you say he is a science and technoligy consultant for Raytheon weapons systems?? how is that possible when according to the government he was only an average student and his credentials from university are a sham?? that can only mean one thing the government lied through there teeth when they said he never worked for them and his credentials are phony.

[bogeyman]

CFt3vLMNIcw

[Cidersomerset]

Michael schratt mentions Bob Lazaar a few times in this presentation from 2011 as
a cross reference confirmation to Dan Burisch descriptions of area 51....Both are
controversial characters as are many people disclosing information, whether
dis info , delusional or genuine we can only add there information to the bigger
picture and view it as part of that imo. John Lear, George Knapp, Linda Moulton
Howe, Gene Huff and others vouch for Lazaar. Others like Stanton Freeman are
more negative, and need solid proof.


poOUxR_HW0U

Published on 16 May 2013


Escape From Area 51 J-Rod Incredible Testimony from Michael Schratt, military
aerospace historian,In this Open Minds Production, Michael Schratt provides
specifics regarding Dr Dan Burisch's alleged interaction with an extraterrestrial
known as "J-Rod". Openmindstv click link! http://www.youtube.com/user/openmindstv

This historically significant account of human/ET contact allegedly took place at the
super-secret S4 facility located 12 miles south of Area 51. Also included are details
drawings of the flight simulator on level B, along with a very accurate schematic
layout of the cafeteria, file department, communications and transportation logistics
to the facility.
www.openminds.tv Footage Provided and Permission Granted to
Thirdphaseofmoon from Openmindstv click link! http://www.youtube.com/user/openmindstv

[ghostrider]

Bob has a great five set VHS tape of him explaining all the science with the equations on the chalkboard , telling anyone to take it to their local high school teacher and he can verify that what bob says it real science ... how the gravity amplifiers work , the space time distortion , thought driven controls , etc ... I loaned my set out to a co-worker and never got it back ... if you get the chance , it is worth it ...

[ghostrider]

The crash did happen , the place is real ... the crew of the craft were not humans they were androids built by humans from the reticulum system ... four died and one lived ... we got five major inventions from android ship at the roswell crash , area 51 is the research place of the roswell ship/technology ...

[mojo]

Thank you for sharing the video. He seems even more authentic 25 years later. An unsung hero when you consider how little information we have.

[Bill Ryan]

CFt3vLMNIcw

EXCELLENT. Thank you for this.... no doubt whatsoever that whatever happened, the story as recounted was absolutely real for Lazar.

Personally? I believe it.

(Also supported by having talked with John Lear in depth and in person. Lazar himself always refused to be interviewed. If Camelot had been able to talk with him, that might well have been our all-time star interview.)

[Bongo]

CFt3vLMNIcw

EXCELLENT. Thank you for this.... no doubt whatsoever that whatever happened, the story as recounted was absolutely real for Lazar.

Personally? I believe it.

(Also supported by having talked with John Lear in depth and in person. Lazar himself always refused to be interviewed. If Camelot had been able to talk with him, that might well have been our all-time star interview.)

Given the fact that he has spoke out now (even if money was used by the TV company to do so) and has went to the trouble of making models of what he actually saw at S4 maybe the time is right to ask him again for that all-time interview.

[bogeyman]

I have to say his description of his entering the S4 facility is interesting, there are some clips on you tube which appear to show a road going towards a facility near Area 51. I have also heard of other cases of classified facilities including an incident mentioned in Leonard Springfield's Status Reports when a military jeep appeared out of no where, and the witnessed saw a whole hill just open up and a tunnel going down into it.

[Mike Gorman]

Yes, to my intuition, judgement and mundane logic I believe the man-there is just no genuine advantage for him to construct the story.
Maybe a slight flush of cash in the early days, I dunno-but it would be a pain the ass if you think about it-being hounded and singled out-his demeanor
is authentic in my book.

[Mutchie]

I always believed Bob but it just goes to show how far the authorities will go to discredit someone i mean he went through some tough times !!!

[1967sander]

...............................

[thepainterdoug]

the newscaster gets me. she wears that im trying not to laugh delivery so successfully engineered with brainwashing over the years to disarm this topic . i cant stand that look.
you wouldn't get that while discussing the kennedy assassination or any other controversial topic. only with UFO,s do you get that.
i have always believed Bob Lazars story. thanks for posting!

[Cidersomerset]

Bob Lazar given credence by John Lear , Gene Huff and others and dismissed
by the likes Stanton Freidman. George Knapp got involved back in 1989 and he has
been involved with this ever since. This presentation from Copenhagen Oct 2014.

We have all probably heard part of the story especially from John Lear and Stanton
Friedman coming from opposite ends of the discussion. George goes thru his
experience and shows clips , quotes and various references and how Area 51 is now
part of 'popular 'culture and can be dismissed as sky-fy or crack pot ufologist
speculation. But it can also seen as a great cover story for genuine covert military
surveillance craft like the U2 etc , or even more exotic government secret
programmes , possibly back engineering ET craft and developing their own.
Definitely worth a watch if you are curious about Bob Lazar , whether
you have dismissed his statements or not.

George tells how he became involved and also tells how Bobs account has been
corroborated or paralleled by other witness's he has interviewed over the years.

0TxEE8BD8HE

Published on 14 Apr 2015


George Knapp speaks about Bob Lazar and area 51, S4, John Lear and alien craft. 2015 ufo documentary

[Cidersomerset]

George in the above presentation plays some clips from this
full interview, George did with Bob Lazar as part of the 25th
anniversary of Bobs and Georges involvement in this case.


Bob Lazar of Area 51 - 25 Years Later

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[Gaia]

Lazar is very interesting case, at first when I heard about this story I thought Wow! Back in 1989, Lazar contacted a Las Vegas television station and claimed that he had been working as a physicist on the governement most highly classified project which involves back engineering Alien technology. I know it is easy these days to not believe anything Lazar said because of certain other things Lazar has claimed that were not true about his education and such. However, the fact remains that he took both John Lear and George Knapp out to Area 51 and strange things began flying around just like he said they would and when he said they would. So somehow he knew something. Also, I have a great deal of respect for George Knapp.

[ghostrider]

I had the Lazar tapes back in the late 80's early 90's , the great thing was , he drew the equations of how things worked and suggested we go to any local high school science teacher and verify the results ... the ship worked on a basic principle , three gravity amplifiers each on hangers , swing one the left the ship goes left , the one in the middle stays straight keeping the ship up and still ...swing the two outside ones in the same direction and the ship rolled on that side and bolted away ... all powered by a small device no bigger than a small microwave ...

[Roisin]

I've always thought Lazar was the real deal despite the fact that there are inconsistencies wrt his education background. But then on the other hand, there are others out there too who claim that the gov't has tampered with that information concerning their own educational background and in Lazar's case, considering the kind of information he revealed to the public about Area 51, there's no question in my mind that outside forces have intervened in his life to make things difficult for him. He's stuck to his story all these long years and has provided enough proof on his end about some of his claims. He could have just as easily confessed he had been lying all along about everything and then win the respect of various well known skeptics for doing that so we know that he's never been one to seek attention just for the hell of it. Even if only a fraction of his story is true, that alone would be enough to garner great interest in everything he says. But I think all of his claims are on the up and up.

[Cidersomerset]

Area 51 Documentary: John Lear and Gene Huff on Bob Lazar Story
Coast To Coast with George Knapp celebrating the 20th anniversary
2009.

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Published on 9 Jan 2015

http://www.boblazar.com/
Area 51 and Area S4 alien ufo documentary made in 2009 and
uploaded in 2015. This is one of very few interviews conducted
with John Lear, Gene Huff and George Knapp all together. Enjoy!

[WhiteLove]

Very good share!!

[kirolak]

I found this interview to be very natural, unstudied & quite credible. . . I have really always believed that Bob Lazar was a genuine whistleblower about back engineering alien craft. Hope you enjoy it.

PS I found this link on ATS forum, & notice there are quite a number of Avalonians who frequent ATS, as do I - purely for the differing point of view :silent:

[WhiteLove]

I found this interview to be very natural, unstudied & quite credible. . . I have really always believed that Bob Lazar was a genuine whistleblower about back engineering alien craft. Hope you enjoy it.

PS I found this link on ATS forum, & notice there are quite a number of Avalonians who frequent ATS, as do I - purely for the differing point of view :silent:

Hi kirolak, I cannot find the link?

[lucidity]

Hello Siblings,

I (personally) wouldn't go to abovetopsecret for an opposing point of view... it's bullsh!t.com

There are several links to recent Bob Lazar interviews on the openminds.tv site.
You might also try thelivingmoon.com
There's also no shortage of Bob Lazar interviews on youtube.

be happy :-)

lucidity

[kirolak]

Sorry, did I forget to post it?

https://vimeo.com/132187335

PS I do completely agree re ATS, btw ! I also know about Open Minds TV and The Living Moon, though it wasn't updated recently last time I was there. I don't lurk anywhere frequently, just do an occasional check to see what is doing the rounds.


http://www.vimeo.com/132187335

[Cardillac]

@kirolak

Hi Noelle- I truly hope this finds you well- and many thanks again for your recent private message update to me about Dmitri Hvorostovsky's affliction/condition;

but if my read sources are correct the ATS is yet another arm of the CIA; as I am not one to throw babies out with bathwaters I believe that the info about Bob Lazar is most probably correct but it is surrounded by so much other "bunk" in the ATS website that I believe this info released in ATS was done purposely to discredit him-

stay well!!!

Larry

[WhiteLove]

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[Star Tsar]

Did Bob & Tracy stay together?
AND I noticed Jeremy Corbell's new witness (I Forget hs name) stated that workers at S4 where allowed to chat freely with others working on projects BUT Bob states in this interview that you are only permitted to speak with your work partner.
LOVED the standing ovation at the end.

[Citizen No2]

Excellent interview.


Thanks.


Regards.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Whitelove a really good interview and gives you more of a feel for the man,
like many researchers , whistleblowers you either believe them or you don't. I
think he seems genuine and the events happened , and there are certainly witness's
to certain aspects of it. So it is really a must interview for anyone interested in
this story........

I'll post this recent interview by Kerry and Michael Schratt on here for ref.
As the above interview answer some of the questions raised in the discussion
below......


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http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84153-Kerry-Cassidy-Live-Stream-9-30-pm-NY-time-31-July-2015&p=988171#post988171

[WhiteLove]

A cool thing he mentioned was that he thought the UFO technology was so advanced compared to where we currently are that it was laughable.

I do find there are some aspects about the story with some rather high uncertainty, it's a quite complex mix of claims and circumstances, but I'm not going so far to say that he is not telling the truth, besides I do find there is not that much reason for him not to tell the truth. I mean the guy has over many many years kept quite silent etc. and to my knowledge he is not making so much money from this either, so doing all of this to fool everyone seems a bit far fetched. What on the other hand could play a role in this story, is what Bob really has been subject to during his time at S4. I have chosen to place this story in the neutral zone, his evidence for all of this is quite thin but on the other hand I do appreciate that he shares his story. My take on this is that whether his story is fully the way we or he understands it to be or not, the important thing here is that the story is in our reality, with very big claims and that in our reality we are left at such an access level that we cannot even do a good truthful investigation into it in terms of evidence etc. Therefore I find having a protecting position about Bob and his story makes sense, the UFO subject should be handled transparently, we need access to that transparency first of all before we even start to speculate about whether Bob tells the truth or not, nobody can truly know that beyond Bob and the persons he has been in contact with. So yeah, I appreciate that Bob Lazar and George Knapp did this interview...

[Cidersomerset]

This is the Exo politics Denmark presentation by George , I think I posted
this somewhere earlier in the year. It is very good George gives anecdotes
from his career in journalism and how he got into the UFO field and his
relationship with Bob Lazar and more....



George Knapp - Area 51, Flying Saucers and Bob Lazar - Copenhagen 2014

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Published on 8 Apr 2015

Investigative journalist George Knapp spoke at Exopolitics Denmark's conference on October 4th 2014 in Copenhagen, Denmark.
www.exopolitics.dk
Title of presentation: Area 51, Flying Saucers, and Bob Lazar - 25 Years of Media Mayhem.

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I'm now answering myself....LOL



I think I posted
this somewhere earlier in the year.


Bob Lazar Area 51 UFO Presentation by George Knapp ....Copenhagen October 2014

Bob Lazar given credence by John Lear , Gene Huff and others and dismissed
by the likes Stanton Freidman. George Knapp got involved back in 1989 and he has
been involved with this ever since. This presentation from Copenhagen Oct 2014.

We have all probably heard part of the story especially from John Lear and Stanton
Friedman coming from opposite ends of the discussion. George goes thru his
experience and shows clips , quotes and various references and how Area 51 is now
part of 'popular 'culture and can be dismissed as sky-fy or crack pot ufologist
speculation. But it can also seen as a great cover story for genuine covert military
surveillance craft like the U2 etc , or even more exotic government secret
programmes , possibly back engineering ET craft and developing their own.
Definitely worth a watch if you are curious about Bob Lazar , whether
you have dismissed his statements or not.

George tells how he became involved and also tells how Bobs account has been
corroborated or paralleled by other witness's he has interviewed over the years.




http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?82447-Bob-Lazar-Area-51-UFO-Presentation-by-George-Knapp-....Copenhagen-October-2014

[KiwiElf]

Please forgive my adding a link to an earlier thread for those who may not be familiar with Bob's history: Thank you Whitelove - these two (George & Bob) are hilarious - very entertaining and educational :) (Hard to believe this happened 25 years ago!). The addition of John Lear would make a great "threesome" ;)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33746-Bob-Lazar-Captured-UFOs-at-Top-Secret-S4-Base

[Cidersomerset]

Area 51 Documentary: John Lear and Gene Huff on Bob Lazar Story
Coast To Coast with George Knapp celebrating the 20th anniversary
2009.

4DWyYd4GZkw

Published on 9 Jan 2015

http://www.boblazar.com/
Area 51 and Area S4 alien ufo documentary made in 2009 and
uploaded in 2015. This is one of very few interviews conducted
with John Lear, Gene Huff and George Knapp all together. Enjoy!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?82447-Bob-Lazar-Area-51-UFO-Presentation-by-George-Knapp-....Copenhagen-October-2014&p=964102#post964102

[WhiteLove]

This could be false, but it is such an interesting development that it is worth sharing. A scientist with papers to back up his background, claims he worked with Bob Lazar at Los Alamos.

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[Cidersomerset]

This is good news , I watched several recent vids with George Knapp
and Bob Lazar with some other of the original witness's. I think it is
true, certainly the adventure with George, John Lear and others were
genuine.

Some related threads and the coast show referenced in the top vid.....

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1.5 hour interview with Bob Lazar at IUFOC 2015

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84423-1.5-hour-interview-with-Bob-Lazar-at-IUFOC-2015
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Kerry Cassidy Live Stream 9:30 pm NY time 31 July, 2015

INTERVIEW WITH MICHAEL SCHRATT: AN INVESTIGATION INTO BOB LAZAR & S4 AT 7PM PT TONIGHT

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84153-Kerry-Cassidy-Live-Stream-9-30-pm-NY-time-31-July-2015

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Bob Lazar Area 51/S4 Employee Speaks Out After 25 Years

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71500-Bob-Lazar-Area-51-S4-Employee-Speaks-Out-After-25-Years

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COAST TO COAST AM / JOHN LEAR / JEREMY CORBELL / JUNE 28TH 2015 / WITH HOST GEORGE KNAPP

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Published on 2 Jul 2015


NOT MY CONTENT. ALL CREDIT GOES TO JEREMY KENYON LOCKYER CORBELL

www.youtube.com/user/jeremycorbell

SUNDAY 28th JUNE 2015 C2CAM

ExtraordinaryBeliefs.com

George Knapp welcomed documentary filmmaker, artist, and researcher, Jeremy
Corbell, for a discussion on his various film projects which cover topics such as
ufological icons John Lear and Bob Lazar, alien implants, and a scientist working
with advanced nanotechnology. Corbell traced his interest in Lear back to a
fascination with the aviator's controversial and revelatory statements about UFOs in
the 1980's. He credited Lear's willingness to be filmed as the veritable starting
point for all of his subsequent projects as "it was like a whole world of conspiracy
opened up to me." Joining the program in the first hour, Lear recounted his early
interest in UFOs and how he originally heard of Area 51 during his pursuit of
information surrounding the then-secret SR-71 aircraft.
During the second hour, Corbell revealed how he has found a new witness to the
Bob Lazar story: a man named Dr. Robert Krangal, who recalled working alongside
the infamous whistleblower at Los Alamos National Lab in the 1980's. According to
Corbell, Krangal produced a wealth of documentation that verified his own
background and, thus, makes the account of his time at Los Alamos extremely
credible. Corbell argued that this testimony strongly refutes the longstanding
skeptical stance that, since Lazar's educational background cannot be verified, then
he was unlikely to have worked at Los Alamos or Area 51. "On the record, we have
him at Los Alamos," Corbell said, "maybe people should start considering the
seemingly outlandish and impossible thing that Lazar might be telling you the
truth." Gene Huff joined the program during the second hour to reflect on his role
in Lazar's story.

In the third hour, Corbell was joined by a man known as 'Patient Seventeen,' who
was the final implant extraction patient of the late Dr. Roger Leir. Having filmed
Seventeen's surgery and befriending him following the procedure, Corbell recalled
being struck by how the death of Leir left the man with no direction as to how to
decipher what had been extracted from him. As such, Corbell ultimately sent the
object to a lab where it was revealed to contain 35 different alloys and
is "absolutely, one hundred percent anomalous." Patient Seventeen noted that it
was Corbell's friendship and skill as a filmmaker which allowed him to let his guard
down and participate with the film, as he would have otherwise moved on with his
life after the surgery, since he has no desire for publicity for his case nor notoriety
for being a possible alien implant victim.

During the final hour, Corbell provided an update on his work documenting the
research of a nanotechnology expert dubbed 'Nano Man.' He noted that, although
his project originally just focused on Nano Man's work involving an advanced
propulsion system, the enigmatic scientist confided in him that the motivation for
his research came from being shown advanced alien technology. Later, Nano Man
showed him a vial of liquid that appeared to be merely water and had
been "collected at an abduction site." He claimed that within that substance was
a "highly ordered, fabricated nanotechnology that we could not produce here on
Earth." After Corbell expressed skepticism about this claim, Nano Man allowed him
to have it analyzed by a scientist at NASA, who was astonished to see what seemed
to be nano machinery that was far more advanced than anything that can be
created by humans today.

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A short segment from a different coast interview with George Noory in feb 2015..

John Lear discusses Bob Lazar on Coast to Coast AM

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Published on 24 Feb 2015


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[Bill Ryan]

This is good news , I watched several recent vids with George Knapp
and Bob Lazar with some other of the original witness's. I think it is
true, certainly the adventure with George, John Lear and others were
genuine.



I agree. I spoke with John Lear myself about that whole fascinating period. I'm as convinced as I can be that Lazar was the real deal.

[Cidersomerset]

I agree. I spoke with John Lear myself about that whole fascinating period. I'm as convinced as I can be that Lazar was the real deal.

I was looking for the camelot interview , they are all in segments , can you
remember which segment it was ? in either of the original interviews you and Kerry
did with John.It was these interviews that sent me ' right down the rabbit
hole'..LOL. I remember thinking this guy is 'nuts' .I was interested in this subject
from a boy watching Arthur C Clark, and any documentary about UFO's on TV ,
which although not that many, they were better than the mainstream ones now on
the whole.

I have told this story before , I did not get access to a computer until around 2005
and when we got on the web , the first thing I typed in was UFO's and one of the
earliest interviews I saw was Kerry interviewing you about Serpo and another about
Mr,X...The rest is history and I'm still looking for truth and as Bill Hick would say
" its been a Fun ride so far " even if s bit frustrating at times ...LOL

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[Gaia]

I have always believed this to be the case. Stan Friedman does not think so. There is far from widespread agreement on the matter within the ranks of Ufology.

The only suspicion I have ever held on Lazar concerns the fact that he is still alive and well after breaking his secrecy agreement.

He has apparently been shot at and threatened. Here is a short clip on the story and towards the end a couple of confirming aspects to his story.


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Bill you must do an interview with Lazar it could be very interesting stuff.

[Cidersomerset]

JeremyCorbell w/ NEW BOB LAZAR INFO + NANO MAN on Dr J Radio LIVE 7-21-15

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Published on 4 Aug 2015


Dr J Andy Ilias interviewed Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Corbell (http://www.extraordinarybeliefs.com)
on http://www.drjradiolive.com on 7-21-15 on Bob Lazar, his new witness Dr. Krangle, his several
movies including Patient 17, Lazar and Nano-Man (On utility fog)! Listen live Tuesdays 7-9pm PT
and Thursdays 7-9pm PT where you can call in and ask questions yourselves at 818-923-1713;
generally. Tuesdays hour 2 we take calls and Thursdays are the guests who don't take calls. You
can always see what is coming and see if we have open lines by watching weekly the show
site http://www.drjradiolive.com and you can see so much more information.

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Bob Lazar Lie Detector

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BOB LAZAR - Cosmic Whistleblower
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[ghostrider]

I bought Bob Lazar's 6 vhs tape set back in the early 90's , he explained all the science behind their work , and used a chalk board to write equations and told everyone to take the information to any science teacher and they could verify what he is saying ... he worked at a secret lab , on crashed ET' crafts driven by androids who were built by human beings from the Zeta-Reticulum system ... the plejaren spoke to Edward Meier about this , and they confirm , it was a crash , the beings were androids of a bio-organic nature , built by humans from another star system for deep space exploration ...

[Cidersomerset]

This is a pretty good mainstream UFO discussion...

Jeremy Corbell on FOX News with John Hook talking about UFOs

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Published on 4 Mar 2015


Great interview with John Hook on FOX News http://www.ExtraordinaryBeliefs.com

[shadowstalker]

Published on Aug 18, 2015
It has been 25 years to the day since a live interview with a shadowy guy named "Dennis" changed everything for America's most secret military base. "Dennis" turned out later to be a man named Bob Lazar, who claimed he worked at a secret facility built into a mountainside just south of Area 51's main facilities.

Robert Scott Lazar or Bob Lazar (born January 26, 1959, in Coral Gables, Florida, United States, to Albert Lazar and Phyllis Berliner), claims to have worked from 1988 until 1989 as a physicist at an area called S-4 (Sector Four), located near Groom Lake, Nevada, next to Area 51.

According to Lazar, S-4 served as a hidden military location for the study and possible reverse engineering of extraterrestrialflying saucers. Lazar says he saw nine different discs there and provides details on their mode of propulsion. His critics have asserted that "Lazar's credibility crumbled" after "schools he was supposed to have attended had no record of him, while others in the scientific community had no memory of ever meeting him."

Ununpentium is the temporary name of a synthetic superheavy element in the periodic table that has the temporary symbol Uup and has the atomic number 115. It is an extremely radioactive element; its most stable known isotope, ununpentium-289, has a half-life of only 220 milliseconds. It is also known as eka-bismuth or simply element 115.

• More information about Element 115 / Ununpentium: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ununpen...

SOURCE: http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/iteam...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35O2AR6ytU4

[avid]

None of above links work here (UK) - nonexistent!
However - googled it and loads of diverse info. Fascinating :-)

[alexius]

Thanks a million! I really do find Mr Lazar very fascinating, from day one without a doubt -ever.

Blessings

[kirolak]

I also really like him, he is quite off beat and has a sense of humour

[alexius]

I would love to meet him in person one day!

[Cidersomerset]

Stantons view from 2001....


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Published on 9 Oct 2014

In this excerpt from an interview I conducted with Stan Friedman in 2001, he
discusses frauds in UFO research, and focuses on two of the most egregious
examples in the past thirty years - Robert Lazar, and Philip J. Corso.




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Aprox 34 mins in, the question about Bob Lazar is asked......Stanton said he rang
Dr.Krangle and he confirmed Bob Lazar was there at Los Alamos.....But ! you'll
have to listen to make your own mind up, lasts for about 12mins.....Overall its a
typical Stanton interview.


Stanton Friedman on Dr. Krangle & Bob Lazar - Hour 1: Tom Schaefer - Hour 2 :
7-23-2015

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Published on 9 Aug 2015


Dr J Andy Ilias interviewed Stanton Friedman & Tom Schaeffer 7-2315 on
http://www.drjradiolive.com Listen live Tuesdays 7-9pm PT and Thursdays 7-9pm
PT where you can call in and ask questions yourselves at 818-923-1713; generally.
Tuesdays hour 2 we take calls and Thursdays are the guests who don't take calls.
You can always see what is coming and see if we have open lines by watching
weekly the show site http://www.drjradiolive.com and you can see so much more
information.

[WhiteLove]

Cidersomerset: Very good sharing of information as usual, thanks buddy!

[Cidersomerset]

Then and now..........


UFOS BOB LAZAR element 115 pt 1

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Published on 18 Aug 2015

It has been 25 years to the day since a live interview with a shadowy guy
named "Dennis" changed everything for America's most secret military
base. "Dennis" turned out later to be a man named Bob Lazar, who claimed he
worked at a secret facility built into a mountainside just south of Area 51's main
facilities.

[Mutchie]

Wouldnt you just LOVE to know how far they have taken technology to date ....

[kemo]

I recall him having a dry sense of humour being interviewed years ago when he went public, where the interviewer was asking him about working on back-engineering projects and whether the craft could have been man-made, and he responded something like there wouldn't be much point back-engineering them would there if we had made them.

[Bill Ryan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35O2AR6ytU4



Excellent (very short: just 4 mins) — and highly recommended by me. He should have been a science teacher. (Really.) :sun:

[NeodymiumMan]

I still find Mr. Lazar a fascinating individual, and as many of you have already stated, an excellent presenter who can explain rather complex physics in layman's terms for the masses. The fact that his credentials are in question due to missing records shouldn't surprise anyone- this wouldn't be the first time our secret governments have erased records of individuals (and individuals themselves!). One thing that I ponder is how supposedly, in our many reverse-engineered versions of alien craft, there is speculation recently of liquid Mercury centrifugal "reactors" rather than mention of the system Bob was involved with. Perhaps all of the original 115 has been spent, and they needed another way?

I can't think of any other resource for quotes from individuals who came forward with information regarding matter/antimatter reactions using 115. Are there some I am missing? Could someone please elaborate on which propulsion/reactor systems have been postulated by witnesses involved with the multitudes of craft allegedly under our control?

~NeodymiumMan

[Carmody]

The trick surrounds the idea of changing angular complex spin orientation in dark matter or vacuum energy.

This can be accomplished by various means. Various.

This means there is no singular propulsion system, as we may call it. The methods vary according to the given technology at hand, and familiarity and faculty with the given technology.

[Aurelius]

<snip> He should have been a science teacher [* ref (https://youtu.be/yH4zIBo6BII?t=2326)*]



<snip> ... One thing that I ponder is how supposedly, in our many reverse-engineered versions of alien craft, there is speculation recently of liquid Mercury centrifugal "reactors" rather than mention of the system Bob was involved with. Perhaps all of the original 115 has been spent, and they needed another way? [ref# 3,1,2,19,24 ..]

I can't think of any other resource for quotes from individuals who came forward with information regarding matter/antimatter reactions using 115. <snip> [ref# 1,2,3,19 ..]

~NeodymiumMan



The trick surrounds the idea of changing angular complex spin orientation in dark matter or vacuum energy. [ref# 24,1,2 ..]
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.... you might want to look at these (ref# 1,2,3,19,24,57,62 ..) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83294-Significant-Keshe-Foundation-public-announcement-2-July-2015&p=975212&viewfull=1#post975212) :idea:

[NeodymiumMan]

The Keshe Foundation is AMAZING. Thanks for the links Aurelius! So much to study and learn there. I'm going to dig in DEEP.

~NeodymiumMan

[HaveBlue]

I have always believed Bob Lazar. Not so with many others, including some that have come and gone here on avalon over the years. I look forward to Jeremy Corbells interviews with Bob and those present at the time, John Lear, Gene Huff and George Knapp and now a scientist from Los Alamos has come forward to say that yes, Bob was a real physicist there, not a cleaner or message boy or anything else the psyop parasuits would muddy the waters with and that they (fellow Scientists) thought Bob was committing Professional suicide by speaking out.

[alexius]

At the end of this interview (24min version) he says some things that made me wonder what the deeper reason for his claims are. There is something I can't really grasp around all of this.

He says:

- What they told me is: This is a security matter. There's a bounch of reasons why this is being kept quiet. Nothing that they bothered telling me about.
- But.. The bottom line is they're right.

Short after he says:

- I'm sorry. Maybe they are right. And this really should just be information that is handed out on a need to know basis where it will benefit.. (Video stopped)


I really do wonder what type of negative impact he must be referring to. He often talks about how hard his life got after coming forward with this. And now, at the end of this interview.. He talks about keeping these kind of subjects in the dark. This really bothers me.. Can someone help me understand. Because my mind is stuck on this. It's like I'm missing out on something important that I need to be aware of.

[abmqa]

Bob Lazar is very credible despite how the PTB tried to debunk and discredit him..

He stated that the craft he worked on utilized element 115 as a power source, years before the scientific community were able to isolate and identify it and add it to the periodic table.

[seah]

just my perspective of course, but I suspect that Bob Lazar was/is working with the ptb. The information he offered up is info that they wanted known. That does not make the material less interesting, nor less credible , but I always keep in mind that the truth is hidden some where within the disinformation. That's the bit I'm looking for.
It makes sense to me that any informant be excellent at presenting the information he brings forth, polished and forthcoming when questioned, it's all part of the package. They are very aware that some of the public is a new brand of humanoid; savvy to pretense, and well versed in clandestine matters.
Rogue whistle blowers are unheard of these days, once again, imo.

[Cidersomerset]

Interview starts aprox 30 mins in and they discuss Bob Lazaar for the first
hour and a bit and Jeremy tells how he got involved with it and he believes
they are telling the truth. They go into much more details.....


Ep. 307 FADE to BLACK Jimmy Church w/ Jeremy Corbell, Bob Lazar UFO LIVE on air

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Published on 19 Sep 2015


Artist/director/documentariian Jermemy Corbell joins us for the first time and
we discuss his films: Lazar, Patient 17 and NANO-Man. First we cover his interviews
and research into Bob Lazar and Dr. Krangle...next we talk about NANO-Man and
the mysterious substance calle Utility Fog...and then his film, Patient 17 which is
about the last operation done by Dr. Rodger Lear and the removal of an alleged
alien implant.

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They start talking about this aprox 216 mins...

NANO MAN: UTILITY FOG - SHORT FILM TEASER

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Published on 17 Mar 2015
Watch the film now... https://vimeo.com/ondemand/extraordin...

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The last segment is about the late Dr.Lear and patient 17


PATIENT SEVENTEEN: Official Movie Teaser

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Published on 22 Oct 2014


MOVIE WEBSITE: http://www.PatientSeventeen.com

SYNOPSIS: Meet a surgeon who claims to remove highly advance implants,
nanotechnology microchips imbedded by aliens, non-humans monitoring our earth.
Discover the world of abductions, scalar wave transmissions, and a program to
study or manipulate the human race. Armed with a patient, a scalpel, black lights
and a stud finder; we seek to verify the authenticity of this alleged Off-World
Implant Technology.

A film by Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Corbell

[WhiteLove]

I've done some digging!

In 1987 Darryl Anka released his first book "The New Metaphysics". This is an incredibly interesting book. In this book you can read the following:

"Recognize that your governments are aware of our existence. And, as we have said, taking back the responsibility for your own fears will allow your governments to be recognized as yourselves, and will allow them to serve you, rather than keep you in the dark about what you are telling you are too fearful to know. They are well aware of the idea of our spacecraft and are attempting to duplicate the technology. In your possession, upon your planet exist no fewer than 11 forms, variations, components, or whole craft from other civilizations, including the idea of what you call physiological bodies (many of which perished in the crashes of these craft) that allowed your civilization to retrieve them, to study them. These have been moved to many different locations."

Two years later, in November 1989, Bob Lazar appeared in a special interview with investigative reporter George Knapp on Las Vegas TV station KLAS to discuss his purported employment at "S4", a facility he claims exists near Area 51. In his interview with Knapp, Lazar said he encountered 9 flying saucers.
Source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lazar)

This is very interesting, because:

A) Both sources claim governments know about the ET presence
B) Both sources claim governments have captured ET crafts and are trying to duplicate the technology of the crafts

And here is the really interesting part:

In 1992, Stanton Friedman re-entered the scene with his own book Crash at Corona, co-authored with Don Berliner – an author of books on space and aviation. Goldberg writes that Friedman too introduced new "witnesses", and that he added to the narrative by doubling the number of flying saucers to two, and the number of aliens to eight – 2 of which were said to have survived and been taken into custody by the government.
Source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_UFO_incident)

In the book "The New Metaphysics" the mentioning of the number 11 includes also the bodies, so technically what that actually could mean is 9 crafts plus 2 bodies.

Since Bob Lazar did not say 11 crafts, he said 9 crafts, this indicates he might not have been aware of the book "The New Methaphysics" when it was released.

Furthermore, both in Stanton's book and in "The New Methaphysics" book it is claimed that many aliens perished in the event.

When you combine these three separate claims, they fit perfectly together. And that could be why it is all true.

Interestingly though, in "The New Methaphysics" it is said that the crafts and the bodies had been moved to many different locations, again this indicates it is not a fully replicated story by Bob Lazar. Bob Lazar claimed they were all at S4. Technically these could have been at various locations relative to the point in time each source was referring this to, because the exact time that each source is referring this to is unknown, could be very separate.

All of this indicates:

A) The information sources are unique/separate
B) The information sources tell the same thing and/or contribute to the same underlying story with bits and pieces among them that tie them together
C) A and B combined seems to form a "triangle of truth"

[KiwiElf]

Related link here including diagrams of the alleged nine craft held at S4 as witnessed by Bob Lazar; these include craft looking remarkably like the one retrieved at Roswell (a flying v-winged ship), a possible Vril, Haunebu & Meier - types.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33746-Bob-Lazar-Captured-UFOs-at-Top-Secret-S4-Base

[WhiteLove]

Related link here including diagrams of the alleged nine craft held at S4 as witnessed by Bob Lazar; these include craft looking remarkably like the one retrieved at Roswell (a flying v-winged ship), a possible Vril, Haunebu & Meier - types.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33746-Bob-Lazar-Captured-UFOs-at-Top-Secret-S4-Base

Cool! In the book "The New Methaphysics" there are some additional details claimed relating to the capturers of these crafts:

"Though we will find the idea of the attitude of the individuals who recovered the craft and the bodies somewhat I will say, distasteful, because of what they have allowed themselves to create as experimentation upon those forms, for their own understanding."

Exactly what this means I cannot say, but if you have an idea, please post.

In this book it is also stated that the craft operates by rotational mass creating a so called "Planar field" that creates 90 degrees perpendicular forces to itself that is manipulated by certain other types of rotational masses that in turn are done so 90 degrees to the planar rotation. This combination allows the craft to have its own gravitational field, it kind of becomes like a planet, carrying with it its own idea of its own time frame, its own inertia, its own gravity, and all the ideas of
its existence and location relative to space. In this way, the craft becomes isolated from all time-space.

So vision the UFO having mass rotating around the side of the disc and mass rotating around the craft from top to bottom or bottom to top, sitting inside of an electromagnetic toroid/bubble of energy. They claim this reaches a state in which it goes from third density reality to fourth density hyperspace reality and over there they are not bound to the physical time-space limitations of third density physical reality and hence can go whenever and wherever they want relative to third density physical reality. Yes, they claim they master time too, not only space... This is something I've always suspected because if you get that unlimited/untied from space, you should logically also become equally unlimited/untied from time.

When I read this information and more about how a UFO might operate, including things like the transformation from one type of gravitic dynamic tensor field into another, I realized based on all my current understanding about gravity it made perfect sense and is the best source of information I've found relating to how a UFO might operate.

I highly recommend you try to get this book, it is very very good! Over here (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/625397.The_New_Meta_Physics) it got 5/5 stars by 4 raters.

And why do I think this book contains so important information, that I also think is true. It is because "unconditional love" is made so important in the message, that's why, because that's also what I discovered in an OBE I had - that unconditional love is incredibly important and incredibly true in creation. A few examples from the book:

"You will be breathing a new atmosphere, which will be an extension of the clarity of your own consciousness, and it will be both crystalline and sweet, perfumed with the sweetness of your own unconditional love."

"Ecstasy is the functioning, the expressing, and the creating and the willingness to simply act as the total being you know yourself to be. It is the mechanism and the vibration of unconditional love which gives rise to all of creation."

"Unconditional love is the vibration that gives rise to the validity of all that has been created within creation."

And how about this definition of truth:

"Truth is a reflection of the purposes you have chosen to focus upon on any particular reality, and any ultimate truth is the product of all of the personal truths that exist within any one reality."

The book also contains very clear questions and clear answers, such as:

Question:
We understand that at one time, what appears to be Atlantis, used antigravity machines to enable us to build structures and travel freely without polluting the planet. Will you explain that method, and do we have that potential in the Earth's near future?

Answer:
Yes, you do. Now, actually, you have recreated some of antigravity already, but because of the situation that you have created with your political structure, much of this information has been suppressed. You will find in your own research the exploration of the vibration of electromagnetism and light through crystalline
structures and conductors (and, also, experimenting with conductors) that are created to be rotational masses. These will be the directions that will allow you to recognize the ability to adjust the gravitic dynamic tensor field in ways that will give you what you have colloquially called antigravity.

[KiwiElf]

:) Gravity is not what we are taught it is by conventional physics (and Einsteins theory on these things is not quite correct), Tesla on the other hand, had worked it out ... ;)

Yes, there are many ways to achieve the "flying saucer" method of propulsion - this goes right back to the ancient Indian Vimana's (which used a spinning "mercury" engine), the research and experiments done by the Germans starting back in the 1920's with the "Vrils", (and quite possibly up to now).

We have many different methods of "explosive" propulsion engines today: piston, radial, rotary, 2 & 4 stroke, turbines (jets and so on) - unfortunately they all burn (or explode) fuel to achieve it. (Implosion is better, explosion not good).

Then we may have some which work in an entirely different manner altogether; they "sail" on magnetic lines of force which exist everywhere - the craft itself is shaped in such a way to "work with nature" (just as the sails on a boat or the wings on a sailplane - and the materials used - are optimized for this); the "wind" in this case being the energy which exists everywhere. (The Roswell flying-wing shaped craft "apparently" had no visible engine or method of propulsion which could be recognised at the time).

You can even build your own model "lifter" from YouTube videos which duplicate some of the earlier work done by the likes of Townsend T Brown (and by earlier I mean almost a century ago!).

[ghostrider]

I believe bob, his truth causes him nothing but grief ... he gained nothing, fact of point he lost , and wished to this day he had been silent... he went so far as to make videos explaining the science learned by the back engineering in case they killed him , 5 vhs tapes are/available ...

[kirolak]

Off topic, but I've tried to download The New Metaphysics & each time my pc picks up a virus :(, even from the actual Bashar site.

[KiwiElf]

Hi Kirolak (and other interested readers).
Here's the text only version of the PDF of The New Metaphysics - virus free! :) - I'll leave it up here for a few weeks as it's stored in my folder (which is getting very full). Hopefully the Mods may be able to add it to Avalon's main library.

Enjoy! :)

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[WhiteLove]

Here is an interesting video where George Knapp interviews Grant Cameron and John Lear on the Area 51 case & Bob Lazar. They passionately share their thoughts on the topics, Grant shares some of the research he has done and how he thinks some of the classified information is leaked out in muddy water in order not to break the law. Lots of interesting little details that shed new light on the topics.

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[giovonni]

Note this was lift/edited from a the Coast to Coast Am - original air date June 28, 2015





Edit from Bill (this is trivial, and barely matters). But just for the record, the date was 27 Jan 2013, here. (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2013/01/27) It's a good show, recommended.

[giovonni]

Note this was lift/edited from a the Coast to Coast Am - original air date June 28, 2015





Edit from Bill (this is trivial, and barely matters). But just for the record, the date was 27 Jan 2013, here. (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2013/01/27) It's a good show, recommended.


I stand corrected Mr Bill, though I prefer dates added to interviews posted.

Note I confused it with anothe (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2015/06/28)r coast show, since I post these shows daily on the forum.

[boja]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o99ThB5SQ0

In November of 1989, ROBERT LAZAR took his 1st polygraph test to prove his honesty about the fact that he back-engineered Alien Spacecraft from another world for the United States Military at a secret base called S-4 (near the infamous Area 51).

GEORGE KNAPP (Peabody Award winning Investigative Journalist) broke the story in an attempt to assure the safety of LAZAR. Being a Cosmic Whistleblower has its price, if you're not careful. KNAPP will often say, "VET EVERY SOURCE". Well, LAZAR has been vetted for over 25 years. His story has not changed, altered, or become more elaborate. LAZAR is telling YOU the truth. It's up to you what you DO with that information.

With recent testimony by LAZAR, this short film gives a unique glimpse into the personas surrounding this EPIC saga… the most infamous UFO case of all time. The implications derived from his experiences are just starting to be realized.

[Mutchie]

Element 115 exists now so Bob was RIGHT !!

[Foxie Loxie]

Can't tell you how much this post is appreciated! :highfive:

[Ernie Nemeth]

He reads as genuine. Or the best plant ever.

[TrumanCash]

I considered Bob Lazar's story to be genuine after he mentioned that he had read in the information he was given that ETs were the source of religions on this planet. Since I have direct information which verifies that phenomenon and since few people are aware of this phenomenon it was highly unlikely that he could have made it up.

Also, Bill Cooper said he had read in above top secret military documents that ETs were behind secret societies and religions. My research with other abductees as well as my own experiences revealed that this was correct. I referred to them in my books (links below) as "Serpent Staff Pleiadians" who are most responsible. Today most people refer to them as the "Anunnaki"--human looking ETs often wearing costumes, masks and headresses as in Egyptian "gods".

However, I also discovered that the Anunnaki work with Mantis, Grays and Reptilians in a closely coordinated conspiracy to keep mankind in spiritual darkness via secret societies, satanic practices, wars and religions, presenting both a public "light"/benevolent side and a secretive, initiates-only "dark"/sociopathic side involving human sacrifices.

[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks for your input, TrumanCash! From your base of experiences it is always good to hear your take on things! :highfive:

[ghostrider]

I bought the five set VHS tapes Bob put out in case he was taken out by his former employer... lots of him drawing on chalkboards , writing formulas , and every time he says take this equation to any high school science teacher and confirm the information ... He explained the three gravity amplifiers that swing independently , moving the small craft , one for vertical lift and the other two for left/right moment... He says when all three swing in one direction, the ship tilts up on its side for deep space travel ... So much information about his job, daily routine, etc ...

[CurEus]

Ghostride those VHS must be well past their copyrights ?? Fair use for research!!!! Post them!!

[KiwiElf]

Here are some of the older ones, converted from their original video - quality of some not so good (there are many more using "bob lazar" in YT search:

Bob Lazar Full documentary
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Lazar Explains UFO Propulsion
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Zeta Reticuli Aliens: Robert Lazar 1 of 4 - mentions US Navy & Russian Involvement at the time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1Pc2aLM3jY

Robert Lazar 2 of 4 - discusses the Sports model ship
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qx0hXgS3AQ

Robert Lazar 3 of 4 - general problems with the physics we know about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAJHDOM--sA

Robert Lazar 4 of 4 - attempts on his & his wife's life, debriefing after they were caught (security etc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47kt63AHal4

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Older related thread here: Bob Lazar: Captured UFOs at Top-Secret S4 Base
(NOTE: The artists' CGI impressions of captured disks/craft which Bob examined also include vehicles closely matching those described by Billy Meier & Roswell witnesses)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33746-Bob-Lazar-Captured-UFOs-at-Top-Secret-S4-Base

[ghostrider]

I loaned them to a co -worker I thought I could trust ... she got fired and never returned them ...

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Parts of the first video above are used in his released tapes ...

[KiwiElf]

I loaned them to a co -worker I thought I could trust ... she got fired and never returned them ...

Hate when that happens - I stopped loaning my "stuff" out years ago! :) Most of what was on those tapes is probably used in the above videos. ;)

[ghostrider]

I think Bob is the real deal ... what he directly worked on, he knows inside and out ... Unfortunately the workers are not allowed to share information, and security is over the top... They bugged his phones, spied on his neighbors, and caught him and John lear watching a test flight ... rumor has it he went back to work for them , having grown tired of waiting for the day they would try and suicide him ... who knows ...

[Omni]

I believe in Bob too. They had smear campaigns against him like many other good sources of truth.

It did dishearten me to hear him say if he could do it all over again he would not come forward.

[KiwiElf]

I believe in Bob too. They had smear campaigns against him like many other good sources of truth.

It did dishearten me to hear him say if he could do it all over again he would not come forward.

I absolutely believe Lazar is the real deal. But I can empathise with Bob on those sentiments; if you expose "them" you run the risk of having your life destroyed or worse. We all want a happy, free life... and the TRUTH, (... but that Truth comes at a price); Having that taken away is a powerful persuader and is ALWAYS "their" method of silencing anyone who exposes "them".

[Helvetic]

Source: Alienscientist.com (http://Alienscientist.com)

How Bob Lazar debunked himself years ago, and no one in UFOLOGY noticed...

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Bob Lazar 1.5 hour interview near Area 51 in 1993

(this was the one and only Q&A session that Bob Lazar EVER gave...) It was a disaster for him.
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Stanton Friedman on Bob Lazar:

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Additional sources and information:

The Lazar Report (Fraud, Fiction and Fantasy at S4) (http://www.topsecretbases.com/TheLazarReport.pdf) (PDF)

In-Depth Scientific Analysis of Bob Lazar's "Disclosures" (http://alienscientist.com/lazar.html) (Alienscientist.com)

Bob Lazar (http://alienscientist.com/boblazar.html) (Alienscientist.com)


George Knapp even admits the holes in Bob Lazar's story about his educational background:

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[KiwiElf]

A slippery slope eh, Helvetic?:) Lazar is just one of a long line of "direct" witnesses who have ALL been "debunked" at some stage. As I've said many times before, the ones who are making it up don't have their lives threatened ;)

Right now, where I'm sitting in NZ, I can't prove to anyone that the Eiffel Tower or the Giza Pyramids exist either... but I "know" they do... :)

How could Lazar "know" the exact time they'd be conducting a test flight out of Groom Lake, and video it - with witnesses, incl John Lear - to boot? (amongst other things... like Element 115?) ;)

[Bill Ryan]

This may be helpful:


http://extraordinarybeliefs.com/news/dr-krangle-interview

Film maker Jeremy Corbell found Dr Robert Krangle, who confirmed without question that Bob Lazar had indeed worked at Los Alamos, and definitely as a physicist.

The interview is embedded on the page, but the mp3 is here. Robert Krangle comes on at the 5 minute mark. He's articulate, confident, is clearly a bit of a maverick, and has a nice sense of humor.


http://avalonlibrary.net/Jeremy_Corbell_Dr_Robert_Krangle_interview.mp3

And here's a partial transcript, copied from the page. (This is only a small portion of the interview: the full audio is much longer, and highly recommended. :thumbsup: )

1 - WHO ARE YOU AND WHERE HAVE YOU WORKED?

CORBELL - What's your name and what do you do for a living?
KRANGLE - Dr. Krangle, and I'm an engineering physicist.
CORBELL - In your professional capacity, what can you tell me about your history?
KRANGLE - Well my bachelors is from New York Institute of Technology, my doctorate is from MIT.
CORBELL - Can you tell me some of the laboratories that you have done contracting work for?
KRANGLE - Pretty much all of them. Air Force Weapons Lab, Sandia labs, several different areas at Sandia … area 5, area 3 ... Los Alamos. I've done work with White Sands. I've been out even as far as California, you know where China Lake is? You know, Ridgecrest. I've done some testing out at China lake. One of the things that I do is a company will call and say, we want to do this test project, how do we set up the test? We want to measure X, what equipment do we need and how do we set that up? And that's the gap that I fill.

2 - WHAT DID YOU DO AT LOS ALAMOS & WHEN?

CORBELL - What is it that you have done at Los Alamos, what time frames? Whatever you can tell me about that.
I've done contracts at Los Alamos pretty much all through the 80s. I still do contracts with Los Alamos. Not as many as I used to, but I still have some contact up there. But all through the 80s I was doing design project this, or you know a kind of an ancillary engineering. Their engineers have been beating a problem, and sometimes you get too close to the problem where you can't see the forest through the trees, so they bring in people like me as an outside contract to take a fresh look, see what's going on. Though the equipment I may have been working with might've been on some high-security something or another, but an amplifier is an amplifier, a signal generator is a signal generator … what you do with that equipment, that may be classified. But that specific piece of equipment itself is not classified.

3 - WHAT WAS YOUR FIRST INTERACTION WITH BOB LAZAR?

CORBELL - One of the reasons why I was introduced to you, was because you're not into this world that I'm investigating that includes, ufology, advanced propulsion systems. But one thing that I was told is that, was that not only did you have some work that you did at Los Alamos, but additionally that you somehow met Bob Lazar. What was your first interaction with Lazar, and where was it?
DR KRANGLE - Well it wasn't much of an interaction. It was one of these things, you know, meetings ... like security meetings. You know, you have to go to that once every week or every couple of weeks ... and they give you the usual briefing, "Don't talk about what you're doing. Don't talk about what you see." So Lazar, we didn't work together, but you know cafeteria kind of thing ... you know you pass 'em in some of the "commanders call" if you will ... you know meetings ... you pass 'em ... so yeah, he was up there.
CORBELL - And about what year was it that you remember seeing him?
DR KRANGLE - To pin it down, certainly in the 80s. Probably earlier than late 80s.
CORBELL - What's interesting to me is that you're saying, that you would run across Lazar at a security meeting … "Don't talk about this. Don't talk about that" … or in the cafeteria. Was it your impression that he was a concessions stand salesman, or a janitor?
DR KRANGLE - He was dressed wrong to be the janitor. (laughter)
CORBELL - Okay, so how did you know Bob, and in what capacity was he there working from your knowledge? What was he at Los Alamos?
DR KRANGLE - Well he was a physicist which... I'm a physicist. We kind of recognize each other. You know it's the classic pocket condom with all the proper different color pens (laughter) ... he fit that mold. If nobody would've told me he was a physicist, one look, [you would know] he's a physicist. He's properly dressed in geekdom.
CORBELL - Did people tell you he's a physicist? Was it ever explained to you?
DR KRANGLE - In some conversations, you know, somebody would be talking about what somebody was doing … and they'd point over ... and that's him over there.

4 - BOB LAZAR WAS AT LOS ALAMOS SECURITY BRIEFINGS WITH YOU?

CORBELL - You have a direct individual memory of being in a security briefing at Los Alamos with Bob Lazar?
DR KRANGLE - Yeah, I remember seeing him.
CORBELL - Why would he be there if he wasn't working in capacity with that was important?
DR KRANGLE - Yeah, I don't think they bring the janitor in … yeah.
CORBELL - Okay. Because I just want to kind of, demystify that once and for all.

5 - WAS BOB LAZAR A PHYSICIST AT LOS ALAMOS?

CORBELL - What was your impression of what Bob was doing at Los Alamos in the 80s?
DR KRANGLE - Well, at the time I was there, I really didn't know what specifically Bob was doing, we didn't work together, we simply crossed paths … at least in glancing view. I didn't know what he was up to anymore than he knew what I was up to.
CORBELL - But you did know that he was a physicist?
DR KRANGLE - Yes.
CORBELL - And that was very clear to you, that he was a physicist at Los Alamos and not again like, the janitor?
DR KRANGLE - Right. And in conversations with some of my colleagues ... you know again sitting over lunch, we would be talking about something something happening or, who's doing something. It's okay to talk amongst yourselves, your just not allowed to tell your wife or your kids what you're doing. And somebody would lean over and say that's Bob over there ... he working on something something project.
CORBELL - So did you get any other impressions? You've described him very well, he's kinda got the Hawking's face, he stands out, he's got the pocket protector, he's a physicist working at Los Alamos … Is there anything else that stood out about Bob?
DR KRANGLE - Yeah one of the fellas was telling me about him building a jet car.

6 - BOB LAZAR COMMITTED PROFESSIONAL SUICIDE BY BREAKING THE CODE

CORBELL - It's so fascinating to me to talk with somebody who's not, you know, drank the Kool-Aid ... who doesn't know the whole story, or who's really really into it. And [who] says, "I worked there. I saw Bob." He stood out to you somehow.
DR KRANGLE - And I understand how Los Alamos would blackball him. He committed professional suicide.
CORBELL - In what way?
DR KRANGLE - By doing that video that he did, where he was talking about the craft that he had exposure to. He went into quite a little tutorial on how a matter / antimatter engine might work. Which is how they get enough energy to power and energy in that craft to do what they wanted to do. And he broke the code. He broke from the fold. He talked about it. That's it, that's a death sentence.
CORBELL - Why is it a death sentence?
DR KRANGLE - Within that security community, it's just that mentality that's up there. Of ... "Don't talk about what you do".
CORBELL - By Bob publicly talking about his experience with the work that he did, not at Los Alamos but south of Groom Lake, he was committing sort of …
DR KRANGLE - Professional suicide.
CORBELL - Professional suicide. Because you get blacklisted for doing that.
DR KRANGLE - That's right.

7 - IT WAS INFORMATION THAT HE REALLY THOUGHT THE WORLD SHOULD KNOW

CORBELL - Did you have any verbal conversation with Bob at any point?
DR KRANGLE - Yeah.
CORBELL - Can you describe it to me?
DR KRANGLE - Well, we chatted, it was after obviously he was gone from Los Alamos. Through conversations with peers and colleagues, I knew about Bob being over in the East Mountains [of Albuquerque] and his company United Nuclear. I asked him why did you commit professional suicide. He said it was information that he really thought the world should know.

8 - LAZAR IS THE SNOWDEN OF UFOLOGY

CORBELL - I believe Bob. And I have reason to believe Bob. All the evidence has suggested that he's (a) telling the truth and (b) that people try to smear his name and try to demote his scientific abilities in people's minds.
DR KRANGLE - Look at Snowden. Had Snowden not done what he did, he would be the great kid that's doing the intelligence gathering. But he broke from the fold. And Bob is essentially the same thing as Snowden. He broke from the fold. But at least he's managed to keep going, I mean, where do you go from engineering physics at Los Alamos if you can't stay with in your discipline? I mean, what do you do, open up a TV and radio repair shop? Or go deliver pizzas?
CORBELL - You open United Nuclear.
DR KRANGLE - That's right.

9 - I’M NOT READY TO BREAK THE FOLD, BUT BOB LAZAR IS CREDIBLE

DR KRANGLE - I would like to believe what he worked on. I would like to believe that story. Again, the scientist in me says if I can't touch it, feel it, sniff it, smell it, weigh it, measure it... come back and do the same thing tomorrow and get the same results. So, I can't prove or disapprove what he worked on. As far as what he describes, and as far as the theory of how what he describes could work … I think he's spot on. I wish I saw that same something.
CORBELL - You know, then again too … You in the capacities that you've had to, or decided to work as a subcontractor for a lot of these agencies and businesses in these areas, you too have been shown things that don't necessarily line up with the chronology of our own development of technologies. Is that fair to say?
DR KRANGLE - That's fair to say but…
CORBELL - ...We're not gonna say any more about that?
DR KRANGLE - Right. Exactly. I'm not gonna break from the fold [laughter]. I'm not ready to commit, at this point, professional suicide.
CORBELL - But there is something that you have experienced, that leads you to lean towards the idea that Lazar...
DR KRANGLE - ...Is credible.
CORBELL - Is credible?
DR KRANGLE - Yes.

[Ol' Roy]

Is it a possibility? That Bob Lazar was manipulated and ENHANCED to give HIM those capabilities? Just a different thought! I would like to wish him well! In all his endeavors! I HOPE HE surpasses Elon Musk for getting to the STARS!

[Bill Ryan]

This may be helpful:



http://extraordinarybeliefs.com/news/dr-krangle-interview


Film maker Jeremy Corbell found Dr Robert Krangle, who confirmed without question that Bob Lazar had indeed worked at Los Alamos, and definitely as a physicist.

The interview is embedded on the page, but the mp3 is here. Robert Krangle comes on at the 5 minute mark. He's articulate, confident, is clearly a bit of a maverick, and has a nice sense of humor.



http://avalonlibrary.net/Jeremy_Corbell_Dr_Robert_Krangle_interview.mp3




And here's Jeremy Corbell interviewed by Jimmy Church in August 2015, in which he presents a bunch of interesting backstory to all this. Corbell starts talking about Lazar at about 1:13:18, and continues to the two hour mark.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phCpLb7nC00

[we-R-one]

I considered Bob Lazar's story to be genuine after he mentioned that he had read in the information he was given that ETs were the source of religions on this planet. Since I have direct information which verifies that phenomenon and since few people are aware of this phenomenon it was highly unlikely that he could have made it up.

Also, Bill Cooper said he had read in above top secret military documents that ETs were behind secret societies and religions. My research with other abductees as well as my own experiences revealed that this was correct. I referred to them in my books (links below) as "Serpent Staff Pleiadians" who are most responsible. Today most people refer to them as the "Anunnaki"--human looking ETs often wearing costumes, masks and headresses as in Egyptian "gods".

I can confirm the bold words above through studying my own reincarnation cases, as I found myself directly in the heart of history’s 2 major religions. It says to me it’s not a coincidence but rather by design as it’s tied to who I once was and the soul group whence I came. My role as Saint Mary Helena Salome, an Essene, places me in the early beginnings of Christianity and my role as Greek goddess Artemis establishes my E.T. identity and the participation in the establishment of ancient Greek religion and practices. Basically by studying my core incarnations I can tell you it's highly likely the Greek gods and The Disciples are the same souls just playing different roles....cause if I was there, so were others from my soul group as research seems to suggest you incarnate with a handful of the same individuals from one incarnation to the next. I was able to recognize this phenomena happening in my own cases due to having documented lives where I could identify the same individuals via actual portraits and photographs from the most recent previous life. You will likely see in the future, Biometrics being used for further confirmation to what I've already uncovered through my own research.

My findings are first-hand knowledge as I’m personally involved. I agree, few know this piece of information and wouldn’t be able to verify, unless they did proper past life research. I see it as another affirmation to my suspicions that both Bob Lazar and Bill Cooper both have come across military documents suggesting E.T. involvement in the establishment of religions. I’ve been keenly aware for quite some time, that someone from the top is well informed on how ‘the game’ works. It’s quite amusing to read headline news stories put out by establishment media with underlying jabs and hints of individuals past life identities embedded in the titles of their propaganda pieces. And though it’s impossible to know everyone’s ‘history,’ I know some and can clearly see what’s taking place, which says to me, someone is well informed of people’s identifications. So what’s really going on here?

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Don't ask me about this one as it's not appropriate for me to reveal, however, do observe that this headline is likely one of relevance and somewhat exemplifies the point of my observations.


In all fairness, be aware, you cannot label all of the E.T.’s in the same manner. To do so, you would need to know the roles we’ve played in several past lives to understand our intentions. I don’t see that happening, so be careful not to draw definitive conclusions. I wouldn't say the Anunnaki are the only E.T race present. I strongly encourage the reader not to perceive everyone as ‘victims’ of the E.T.’s., but rather view Earth merely as a ‘school’ for the soul to learn and grow. Being put into uncompromising situations is part of ‘the game’ as this provides a mechanism for learning. My opinion is based on the research findings of others (not necessarily just my own) who explore NDE’s, past life research and past life regression in depth. From what I can see, the message is very consistent affirming that soul growth is a common theme.

If you are reincarnating over and over again, it says this reality isn’t what’s real, and if it isn’t real, ask yourself, how can one be violated by anyone? The point is to learn to make proper choices….your ‘choices’ have energetic consequences, which is why love, forgiveness and compassion are key. Make choices based on love, not 3D false belief systems(eye for an eye),....that is why you are here… It’s why they call it the game of the light and the dark, The Polarity Integration game and it’s why you see the same theme embedded over and over again like a broken record in CIA infiltrated blockbuster movies.


***Past life identities mentioned above have been Akashic record confirmed by Kevin Ryerson and further researched for affirmation.

[Star Tsar]

A presentation on the cosmic whistleblower...


Jeremy Corbell

Bob Lazar : UFO Presentation

Published 13th November 2018

Jeremy presents his personal journey he took whilst trying to get @ the truth of Mr Lazar's claims...

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[Spellbound]

A presentation on the cosmic whistleblower...


Jeremy Corbell

Bob Lazar : UFO Presentation

Published 13th November 2018

Jeremy presents his personal journey he took whilst trying to get @ the truth of Mr Lazar's claims...

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This is some good stuff.

Dave - Toronto

[Spellbound]

I watched the above Jeremy Corbell presentation on Bob Lazar last night and was VERY impressed. Jeremy did a fantastic job with his recent documentary on the Skinwalker Ranch and now he has a new doc coming out in December based on Lazar, which I am very much looking forward to. And though it doesn't need to be said, George Knapp is top shelf.

If anyone is interested in Bob Lazar, I highly recommend the above presentation. A big thanks to Star Tsar for bringing this to my attention.

Dave - Toronto

[Cristi Copac]

i love bob lazar. i 100 percent believe his story. i also believe that he might be a good researcher for a future society that incorporates alternative knowledge.

[ichingcarpenter]

Wonderful Presentation by Jeremy, thank you Tzar for the link and yes spellbound it is a must see video.


Lazar's story, I believe is not fiction. George Knapp should also be appreciated and commended for his work, not only bringing Lazar to our attention but his other journalistic work too.

Lazar doesn't have coffee cups, backpacks, beer coolers nor comic books for sale, but then again he's never been to Mars, the Kepler belt nor 20 and back three times either...

I think the alien technology he has witnessed is still beyond our understanding and yes if we did understand it as Lazar said at the end of the doc they would control the world so I think they would use it to show full spectrum dominance and say so and not hide it anymore....

[Bill Ryan]

yes spellbound it is a must see video.

Yes, it is.

I've never for a moment been in doubt about Lazar's story. It's one of the most important there is, and (unlike some!) he's a genuine whistleblower in every true sense of the word.

But here's what sticks in my craw. Tom Delonge (OMG), Luis Elizondo (Ugh!) et al are pretty much promoting the blustery fiction that investigation into all this really only started a few years ago.

That's such a glaring, blatant, massive deception. It's close to a bare-faced, provocative, lie. Hugely-financed corners of the black world, supported by the best brains money can buy, have been working hard at this for over 70 years. Lazar, in the brief period of his personal exposure, just happened to get a sneak peek at a small part of all this. The rest of it is largely unknown.

Videos like the 'Tic-Tac' are a sideshow. They have these things sitting in hangars with the world's best engineers working on them, hands-on.

[ExomatrixTV]

The Unforgettable Story of Bob Lazar, UFOs, Area 51, and a Secret Underground Military Base - S4
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2ndEarth (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9308ZpbI7GX_Ze4eIyT0lg)

Of all the whistleblowers that have come forth on the topics of UFOs and Aliens. Bob Lazar’s story stands out as one of the most inquisitive, but surprisingly credible stories. His work was to back engineer alien flying saucers that the government had contained in a secret underground faciility called S4. Fearing for his safety in 1989, Area 51 physicist, Bob Lazar, decided to unveil the truth behind the top secret work he was involved with in Area 51 to investigative journalist George Knapp. In his revelation, Bob Lazar unveiled the unforgettable story that the government is attempting back engineer a crashed UFO. He goes on to explain that the UFO is powered by a then undiscovered element 115 (now called Moscovium ). Regarding the physics behind how the UFOs seem to violate the theory of relativity, Bob Lazar explains that the annihilation of element 115 creates not just the energy that powers the craft, but also a gravity wave that the UFO is able to propagate into a bending of space that allows the craft to go seemingly faster then the speed of light. It technically does not travel in space-time continuum we associate with general space, so it doesn’t seem to violate Einstein’s theory of relativity. Are warp drives possible, and are the UFOs that we see above Earth utilizing similar principles. If you ask retied pentagon official, Luis Elizondo, he implies that UFO crafts are also utilizing quantum physics, to which we have assumed to mean quantum isolation. That’s why Alien Abductees claim that their Alien captors can go through walls and beam them up with their UFOs. So the question is, was Bob Lazar telling the truth? If you ask George Knapp, or their friend CIA pilot John Lear, they will undoubtedly say, yes he is telling the truth. Film producer, Jeremy Corbel, has also recently become a bid advocate of Bob Lazar’s story. One of the more compelling evidence we discuss is that of all the claims in the history of UFOlogy, Bob Lazar may be the only person to ever effectively predict the exact location and time of a craft that operates within the same physics that we associate with extraterrestrial UFOs and Alien crafts. Meaning, he defied the ultimate benchmark for scientific scrutiny, predicatbility. He actually was able to take witnesses (John Lear and George Knapp) to the Area 51 secret military base to videotape and gather evidence of the secret test flights of UFO replicas that were being conducted around the Area 51 military base. John Lear will also attest that he had visited the secret Papoose Lake site, S4 and saw security that seemingly appeared out of nowhere. Could those secutiry guards have appeared from an underground military instillation. John Lear (son of founder of Lear Jet Corporation) believes that’s the case. John Lear, known as the conspiracy king in the 80s, first came forth with knowledge on the topic of s4 and Area 51 on public television with investigative journalist George Knapp. Bob Lazar also managed to unveil physics concepts that at the time were not obvious to physicists, and other scientists. For example his description of how the UFOs maneuver is not all that the different from NASA’s new model of how to potentially travel in space with “warp drives.” It may sound like Star Trek, but the reality is NASA is already working on such prototypes. So do these crazy conspiracies revolved around a secret underground base in the Area 51 Papoose lake (S4) have any validity, or is it all a big conspiracy lie? In the second video we take a Google Earth journey to uncover the Area 51 site S4, and determine if there is any truth to Bob Lazar’s story. Did we discover a different underground facility in the same Papoose mountain range he claimed contained a secret military base? We believe so. 2ndEarth is intent on reporting on the subjects of UFOs, Aliens, robotic advancements, and all topics alternative. Basically, topics often ignored by the mainstream media. The truth is out there! Aliens interacting with Earth is a serious subject that needs to be addressed for the attainment of truth on planet Earth, and the attainment of humanity’s inalienable and UFosgod-given right to have free will.



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[onawah]

That one got taken down in record time!

The Unforgettable Story of Bob Lazar, UFOs, Area 51, and a Secret Underground Military Base - S4
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2ndEarth (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9308ZpbI7GX_Ze4eIyT0lg)

[ExomatrixTV]

I have the mp4 1080p & audio (not sure if it 100% complete) I will edit it together and upload it to my server tomorrow and share the downloadable link here ... it is well done presentation! I need to sleep first. bbl (be back later).

[mountain_jim]

Is this the same documentary that Richard Dolan was interviewing filmmaker Jeremy Corbell about last week and premiered last night (12/03) in LA, with Bob present?

Because if so we should be supporting this effort by renting it in my view, not grabbing it for free, in order to support the filmmaker and more projects like this one.

later edit: above looks different to me but I do plan to support this new film.




Bob Lazar Area 51 documentary narrated by Mickey Rourke

Mickey Rourke will be narrating a new documentary about Bob Lazar, the man who claims he worked near Area 51 back engineering alien spacecraft. The media storm caused by his claims made Area 51 famous, while at the same time its existence remained unacknowledged by the U.S. government. Now the film Bob Lazar, Area 51 & Flying Saucers premiering December 3, 2018, plans to give us more time with Lazar than we’ve seen before.

He recently launched the documentary Hunt for the Skinwalker, has spent days with Lazar to understand his story and work on a film to let audiences get to know Lazar and hear first hand how Lazar feels about his alleged experiences so many years later.

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The thing with Lazar...if we are going to go over this again...is this..

Bob Lazar is an onion... there are many layers of truth around the edges, but dig deep enough into the onion and at the core is a lie, a lie that has fooled people due to the "truths" and half truths surrounding it, these truths give the lie credibility.

Tell Ed’ We have a problem..
I believe that Bob Lazar worked at facilities in and around the Groom Lake facility. Ed Teller who recruited him and gave him the job there, well, maybe he was having an off day, in retrospect he probably wished he was on vacation that week! In previous interviews with Teller, the mere mention of Bobs name has him ranting and raving and getting quite mad about the whole thing. The reason for this is quite simple, he gave a job to someone he should not have done, who did not have the qualifications but somehow, slipped through the net, one simple human error and boy.. didn’t he know it in the end!

I believe that Bob worked there for this reason and that there are other details he has given to others that only someone who has been to the ranch would know, this is also how Bob knew what days the "tests" happened at the base. "Tests" - I will come back to that.

Bob the Onion
Back to the "Onion" - Bob has repeated the same story since he first came forward. However, just because someone states the same thing over and over and because the story does not change, does and should not give more credibility to the core story, purely on the basis that is hasn’t changed, it must be true!! - That is so illogical and doesn’t make sense. The core part of Bobs story - The Ufo angle / Sports model / Element 115 (mentioned in 1974 high school chemistry books) etc - is the lie.. wrapped in some truths and partial truths. It is these partial truths that people believe should give the core lie more credibility, when that is not the case in my opinion.

I am a cat...no seriously a real cat, in a humans body, honest!
If I told you for 20 years that I am a cat... and didn’t change that approach or how I conveyed that I was a cat, as sincerely and as intelligently as possible…even meowing convincingly. it wouldn’t change the fact... that I am not a cat! - Just as a side note.. I am not a cat, more of dog kind of person.. :)

Death Rays in The Desert
These "Tests" - Well it turns out there was a particle beam weapon that was rumored to be in operation and testing at "The Ranch" in 1980. As I believe Bob worked there, he would know when these tests were to take place, hence, he took his friends out there and witnessed and videoed said tests. Particle beam weapons, such as the one at the ranch have a limited range. When they meet their range, about a mile up, the particle beam will start to react with elements in the local atmosphere, mostly nitrogen and other elements, in some instances they will fuse, causing Ufology’s favorite friend "atmospheric plasmas". These can glow many pretty colours....mostly orange in this case. See Bobs Videos.....The main issue and the conundrum facing Bob, was when he got caught out there!!

He got dragged to Indiana Springs and questioned why the hell he was out there with friends, considering his security clearance and job etc. Whilst they were probably wondering what to do with him and Bob was probably thinking he was going to end up buried in the desert somewhere in a box alongside some dismantled stealth demonstrator or under lots of Barrels of RAM coating, that’s when he came up with the core lie to the whole story. I hypothesize, that it is at this point he realized that he would need to fabricate a story to ensure his survival and if you think about it, it was quite brilliant really.

Go out to the world say you were asked to work on captured alien technology by the government at a secret base. This would create a BIG problem for the government. Now they could not disappear him for breaching his security clearance, neither could they press charges and lock him in prison for the rest of his life as it would draw more attention to the Ranch and it would make a martyr of Lazar, it would look like confirmation to the world, that he was telling the truth regarding UFOs.

Caught Knapping
As for Bob, Knapp & Lear (I'll get to Lear) breaking the story of Area 51 to the world.. Well that’s not quite true and George Knapp should have known better, his predecessor and mentor knew it and I can only assume that Knapp did too. I don't trust Knapp at all and I believe he is one of the main drivers of the narrative over the last 30 something years. Again, just because a lie is repeated continually, does not make it truth.

Bob Stoldal - was Knapp’s mentor and he is featured in an article from "World News Weekly" - "August 1980" - that makes it 9 years before Lazar. Knapp’s mentor comments in this article also, about being followed, called up by government agents and all sorts of crazy things due to their investigations of the base. Sounds like history repeated with Knapp and Bob...!

The article also speaks of particle weapons and an aircraft out in the desert being tested that is "stealth" - Remember this is an article from 1980! The words "Area51" "Stealth Fighter" and "Laser Weapons / Particle weapons" appear in this article.

Have a look for yourself;
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Stealthy Side note;
Interestingly, it was the same month!! - that Lazar came forward with his "Story" that Aviation Weekly ran their story of the first blurry photos of the F117a Stealth Fighter. - I believe the person that leaked this story and that even took the photo, was John Lear, but this a theory and nothing more. However, the timeline of the events, being in the same month is surely interesting.

Aviation Weekly Article - May 1st 1989
http://aviationweek.com/blog/1989-f-117a-stealth-fighter-revelation

Don't Get Leary
Lear - well, I have droned on enough already and I am sure you have already skipped this or fell asleep, so I will keep this brief and only revisit more if people want me to. But Lear gets the whole "Crazy Uncle of Ufology" tag. Well, he had as much to do with the whole Bennewitz story as Doty did...ask Greg Valdez's son and all of the FOIA and other evidence to back this up.. Lear is as much the grandfather of the deception as anyone.

Anyway... most of what I have wrote is a theory / hypothesis, but when your gut tells you it feels right, it feels right to me.

I must make this clear to those that believe Lazar's story, I am not a debunker.. I am believe it or not an "Experiancer" - I hate the trending meme of a word, but I am someone who is in search of answers, but when something smells like BS..looks like BS and feels like BS...its probably not a cheese sandwich or a cat.

PS when I made my particle weapons theory known, Lear responded to me directly almost immediately..!

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EXCLUSIVE: The Bob Lazar Interview


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The 'UFO Messiah' who exposed Area 51 to the world: Bob Lazar says he is STILL being monitored by authorities 30 years after he went on TV and said he'd worked with alien spacecraft in a secret US government project



Bob Lazar first hit headlines in 1989 when he told a Las Vegas TV station that nine alien spacecraft were being tested and analyzed in Nevada by US scientists
Lazar said he'd worked to help reverse engineer the 'flying discs,' which used technology that had not yet been discovered or invented by humans
The 'scientist' said he'd been threatened about coming forward but felt the public should know; he was highly criticized and many claims were debunked
Filmmaker Jeremy Corbell was just 13 years old when Lazar's extraordinary statements hit the airwaves; he's been fascinated by UFOs and Lazar ever since
Corbell's new documentary, Bob Lazar: Area 51 and Flying Saucers, traces Lazar's path since 1989; he now runs a science equipment lab in Michigan
Lazar stands by his assertions and says they changed the trajectory of his life in 'for the most part, negative' ways - and he probably wouldn't speak out again

By Sheila Flynn For Dailymail.com (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=&authornamef=Sheila+Flynn+For+Dailymail.com)
Published: 15:02 GMT, 4 December 2018 | Updated: 15:47 GMT, 4 December 2018







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Bob Lazar, who now lives and works in Michigan, told a Las Vegas television station in 1989 - initially speaking on condition of anonymity - that he had worked on alien spacecraft near Area 51 in the Nevada desert

The outrageous claims came from a shadowy figure who appeared on Las Vegas (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/las-vegas/index.html) television, his face completely obscured, on an unassuming Friday in May of 1989. There were nine flying saucers out in the desert near Area 51, he said – ‘flying discs’ being tested and flown and analyzed secretly by the US government. He’d seen them, this mystery man claimed; not only that, he’d worked to reverse engineer the propulsion systems on aircraft that would have been ‘totally impossible’ for US officials to have created themselves.
‘The propulsion system is a gravity propulsion system,’ the man – going by the pseudonym of ‘Dennis’ – told journalists in the studio. ‘The power source is an antimatter reactor. This technology does not exist at all.
‘In fact, one of the reasons I’m coming forward with this information, it’s not only a crime against the American people; it’s a crime against the scientific community, which I’ve been part of for some time, who are actively trying to duplicate these systems. Yet they are in existence now, basically, in the hands of the government.’
And the government had gone to great lengths to keep him from talking, the ‘scientist’ claimed. He’d been warned that he’d be prosecuted for espionage; even his life – and that of his wife – had been threatened, he claimed.
‘Anything could happen; I don’t know,’ said the man, sounding resigned. ‘I haven’t the slightest idea.’
It wouldn’t be long before ‘Dennis’ was unmasked as Bob Lazar, an infamous name that continues to cause controversy and ripples in ufology communities around the world to this day. Type ‘Bob Lazar’ into Google, and almost every site, blog or thread mentioning him is niche, a playground for alien enthusiasts and conspiracy theorists. There’s not a lot about him in the mainstream media, particularly 30 years later.
But in November 1989, when he appeared again on television, this time unobscured, Lazar’s coke bottle-glasses and deadpan, bookish appearance became recognizable globally. His claims about working near Area 51 at a hangar called S-4 – where he insisted he’d seen alien aircraft fitted with tiny seats and constructed with a then-undiscovered material called Element 115 – brought news crews from all over the country and the world, throngs of tourists hot on their heels.
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After his initial interview in May 1989, Lazar spoke on the record and on camera in November of the same year, revealing his identity to the world - subsequently unleashing huge waves of curiosity, support and criticism from various factions

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Lazar stars in new documentary Bob Lazar: Area 51 and Flying Saucers, which features drawings he made of alien spacecraft he claims to have worked on - such as the above picture - in addition to interviews with his friends and family

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Lazar's explosive 1989 claims attracted the interest of media from around the world, he descended upon the Nevada desert - along with throngs of tourist which continue to make the journey to this day, nearly 30 years later

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While Lazar, left, now enjoys a low-profile and rarely speaks about his alleged work, he agreed to participate in the new film - directed by Jeremy Corbell, right - because he says he still receives 'emails from people wondering what happened to me and what direction my life took since releasing the information years ago. In addition, I have heard and seen so many fabricated stories and ridiculous versions of my life and experiences that it actually became entertaining. It seemed like there needed to be something on the record – something current’

Listening at home in 1989, as Lazar steadfastly stood by his literally out-of-this world claims, was a curious 13-year-old named Jeremy Corbell. While Lazar faded from the public eye as time wore on, Corbell remained riveted by what he’d heard – and now, nearly 30 years later, he has directed new documentary Bob Lazar: Area 51 and Flying Saucers, about the controversial figure – re-investigating Lazar’s assertions and following the scientist to his quiet home in small-town Michigan.
‘This concept that I heard on the radio was so transforming to me as a youth, as a kid at 13, that it weaponized my imagination,’ Corbell tells DailyMail.com. ‘It weaponized my curiosity. It forced me to want to become an active participant in learning the truth about UFOs.’
Filmmaker Corbell names as his mentor journalist George Knapp, who first introduced Lazar to the world and who has continued investigating extraterrestrial claims over the decades. Knapp features prominently in the documentary, and both he and Corbell exhibit similar personalities: animated but deliberate, drawn as much to unexplained phenomena as soundbites and flowery language. Corbell describes Lazar to DailyMail.com, varyingly, as ‘like the Elvis,’ ‘the Bigfoot,’ and ‘the Messiah’ of ufology.
Lazar himself, however, displays the opposite demeanor. He’s matter-of-fact in the documentary; his glasses, his haircut, and his deadpan delivery haven’t changed in the slightest since his 1989 TV spot – and neither has his insistence that he saw what he saw, he worked where he worked, and the US government was absolutely studying alien aircraft more than 30 years ago. (The government denied the existence of Area 51 until CIA documents were released five years ago which listed the location as an aerial test site - though not for extraterrestrial spacecraft.)
‘It’s changed my life a lot,’ Lazar says in the film, referring to his alleged part in those studies and his decision to go public. ‘It’s probably changed every aspect of it … for the most part, negative. I mean, it’s really difficult to find positive aspects of that. I mean, I’m sure there are some here and there, but most of them were negative.’



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The Orchard

In December 2017, The New York Times revealed (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html?module=inline) the existence of a top secret government program called Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification. “The program produced documents that describe sightings of aircraft that seemed to move at very high velocities with no visible signs of propulsion, or that hovered with no apparent means of lift,” the Times reported. As New York Magazine explained in a summary (http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/12/new-york-times-ufo-report.html?gtm=top) of the piece, “The internet went slightly more bananas than usual last weekend over The New York Times’ story implying that extraterrestrials are real and the U.S. government has been tracking them for years.” The paper of record’s reporting was long-awaited validation for anyone who has ever claimed a UFO sighting, or an inexplicable encounter with the beyond.

While the exposé was far from definitive, it appeared to be an important step forward—and an I told you so—for people like Bob Lazar, the subject of Jeremy Corbell’s new documentary Bob Lazar: Area 51 and Flying Saucers. In 1989, a then-anonymous Bob Lazar put Area 51 on the map when he came forward with his unbelievable story. Lazar said that he studied captured alien technology at a site called S-4, near the desert test facility. Almost 30 years later, Lazar’s story hasn’t changed, but our collective capacity for incredulity has certainly been tested. And Bob Lazar has been patiently waiting for us.

For a film that stars a humble, straightforward scientist who just so happened to spend some time with extraterrestrial technologies in the 1980s, Bob Lazar: Area 51 and Flying Saucers relishes in the surreal, trippy and spectacular. The documentary, part of Corbell’s Extraordinary Beliefs investigative film series, immediately overwhelms the viewer with flashing lights and disconcerting visuals. Meanwhile, Mickey Rourke’s narration ricochets into the frame as if from another dimension, raspy and strange, announcing, “Not to burst your bubble, but the Earth is not the center of the universe.”

“We create our own reality,” Rourke’s disembodied voice continues, as we see an iPhone light up with a number of texts from Bob Lazar, saying that he is being raided by the FBI. This is where we start: with a raid that we are led to believe is in response to a recently-filmed conversation between Corbell and Lazar.

“This story is extraordinary, especially if it’s true,” Rourke growls. “And it all started in the desert, just north of Las Vegas.” Lazar first made waves as an anonymous scientist. He told the media about Area 51, and claimed that there were nine disks “of extraterrestrial origin” being tested and studied there. He insisted that he had no idea how the government got their hands on these spaceships, and that his life had been threatened over this information. Lazar called the government’s secrecy a “crime against the scientific community,” who had been robbed of the opportunity to study and reckon with this otherworldly technology. When Lazar eventually did go public, it was in a series of interviews with journalist George Knapp, who has been described (http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2014/08/end-of-ufos.html) as “the best known above-ground correspondent on the ET beat.” Knapp first appears in the documentary providing background on Lazar, and warning Corbell that he might not want to talk. “He doesn’t like the attention,” Knapp explains. “It totally screwed up his life.” Knapp’s early coverage is excerpted throughout the documentary. Lazar, young and wiry, walked Knapp through every detail. During his job-application process, he seemingly stumbled into this unique position. Early on, he said, he was given briefings to pore over. They referred to flying saucers and extraterrestrials. Recalling his disbelief, Lazar explained, “It’s a science dream.” He says his new employers showed him a spacecraft. He was tasked with reverse engineering the propulsion, to see if they could recreate it.

“It’s a fantastic story, but it’s true,” Lazar continued. “These crafts come from another solar system entirely. And they’re here.”

In those late-‘80s clips, Lazar explained that he was going public “as insurance,” and claimed that his tire had been shot out while he was driving his car. Knapp’s conversations with Lazar, and his work attempting to verify the scientist’s story, exploded, and gave Area 51 the name recognition and international allure it enjoys to this day. “Tens of thousands of people started showing up out there,” Knapp recalls. “I know a lot of my media colleagues had problems with that story, but they covered it.

Come for the aliens, stay for Mickey Rourke describing the topography of Area 51 like so: “The mountains appear to float on dry lake beds, like spaceships from another world… What are they building in the desert north of Las Vegas? What the **** are they hiding?”

Of course, old news clips and drawings of aliens set to Mickey Rourke’s trippy spoken-word poetry recitations only go so far. The documentary begins in earnest when an unassuming man in a crewneck sweatshirt and wire-rim glasses first addresses the camera. “My name’s Bob Lazar, I’m known for working at a classified base known as S-4 out in the Nevada desert near Area 51. And there, we reverse-engineered alien space crafts.” Present-day Lazar owns and runs a scientific supply company and lives with his wife Joy, who appears to have zero reservations about her husband’s claims: “He doesn’t make stuff up.”

Bob Lazar: Area 51 and Flying Saucers follows Lazar through domestic scenes and films him at work, puttering around with beakers and pipettes. These everyday images are seemingly incompatible with the interviews that Corbell is conducting throughout, as Lazar calmly answers questions about the alien technology he claims to have worked with. Lazar’s main gripes with the United States government are consistent with the concerns he shared decades ago: that people are not just being robbed of the truth about extraterrestrial life, but of awesome technology that has the power to shift “the entire world economy.”

Specifically, Lazar recalls technology that produces and controls gravity, and uses it for propulsion. He explains that “this is a reaction-less craft.” Instead of expelling something, like air or exhaust, “It creates a distortion in space and time in front of it, where space actually bends.” At multiple points in the documentary, Lazar stresses that this technology could not possibly have been human-made. “There’s another civilization in existence that’s intelligent that we know about, and we actually have artifacts from them,” he insists. “The science and the technology can change us dramatically.”

Naturally, Lazar’s story was highly contested at the time. Most notably, reporters were unable to verify that he attended Cal Tech and MIT as he claimed. Los Alamos denied his testimony that he worked there, but his name was found listed in a 1982 phone book for the lab “among the other scientists,” and a 1982 clipping from the Los Alamos newspaper described him as “a physicist at the Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility.” Officials at Los Alamos insisted that they had “no records at all” of Lazar. “It’s as if someone made him disappear,” an old news clip intones.

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Lazar “wanted to try everything I could to prove what I was saying.” He underwent hypnosis, attempting to retrieve lost information that could fill out and substantiate his story. He took four polygraph tests, with expert administrators concluding “no attempt to deceive.”

Present-day Lazar is more or less resigned to the disbelievers. “What else can I say?” he wonders. “I have better things to do than come up with this,” Lazar continues. “I could make up a better lie, but I have no motivation to lie. This hasn’t helped me out.” Indeed, the scientist stops short of claiming that he ever saw aliens at the site. He does note that the seats in the saucers were small, almost child-sized. There was a nickname for aliens around the facility: “the kids.”

Over the course of the film, Knapp makes a number of convincing arguments for his continued faith in Lazar. At one point, he stresses, “We checked out so many details that Bob had told us that turned out to be true.” Bob Lazar: Area 51 and Flying Saucers is strongest when it takes up this mantle of investigative reporting, like when Corbell tracks down the man who Lazar says did his background check to confirm his story.

The film culminates in the heavily-teased FBI raid. In a spooky clip, Lazar and Corbell go deep into the woods to discuss claims that Lazar made when he first went public: that he had managed to steal a piece of “element 115,” the then-undiscovered element that Lazar says fueled the reactors. The clip distorts and flashes, and Lazar never gives a straight answer. The next day Lazar’s business was raided by the FBI, and, we are told, “this conversation was directly referenced in the raid.” While authorities said that they were looking for years-old paperwork for a customer who had ordered potentially toxic materials, Lazar describes the raid as “like a Twilight Zone episode.”

“The street filled up with vehicles and the building completely filled with agents”—and all for something “they could have called for.” Corbell asks Lazar if he believes that the authorities are trying to find the 115 that he claimed to have taken out of the lab 30 years ago. “I don’t feel comfortable addressing that,” Lazar replies.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-did-the-fbi-raid-the-home-of-the-biggest-alien-truther

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Inside Area 51 Bob Lazar New Documentary [Sneak Peak!]...2018
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The Unforgettable Story of Bob Lazar - What is the truth behind Area 51 and his UFOs S4 claims?
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Rare Video Nevada Court 1990: (Please Study All Comments on The Original Youtube Link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV5gOKbakT8):
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Rare Video Nevada Court 1990: Please everybody study all comments on the original Youtube Link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV5gOKbakT8)

[ExomatrixTV]

They Tried To ERASE This Man 10/9/17
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[ExomatrixTV]

Bob Lazar's Hydrogen Corvette
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Must see video!

[NX.P]

I've watched the new Jeremy Corbell documentary. One of the things that stood out to me was Bob's warning that information is distorted more and faster now than it used to be.
It really must be interesting to be someone like him--to have seen what he's seen. Too bad we couldn't get himself, Burisch and O'Ryan in the same room.

[pigsy2400]

Considering the hoohaa that was made by Knapp that Area 51 was not known before he and lazar broke the story....well that was 1989....
this article is from 1980 and includes comments and investigations by Knapps mentor...

https://goo.gl/images/Q8UQQr

make of that what you will....

[Bill Ryan]

Considering the hoohaa that was made by Knapp that Area 51 was not known before he and Lazar broke the story....well that was 1989....
this article is from 1980 and includes comments and investigations by Knapp's mentor...

http://projectavalon.net/Weekly_World_News_Area_51_article_19_August_1980.gif


Make of that what you will....

***

Thanks, and fascinating. Yes, this article was dated August 1980.

Here's the OCRed text, accurately checked, so it can be searchable. :thumbsup:

~~~



America's biggest secrets kept at hidden air base

Deep in the barren Ne­vada wilderness is the most closely guarded secret in America — an incredible military base that's like something out of a James Bond thriller.

This base is so secret that even the Pentagon refuses to admit it exists.

Newsmen who venture too close are stopped and ques­tioned by mysterious-looking men in plain clothes.

Even pilots from nearby Nellis Air Force Base are forbidden to fly over it, or to speak of it.

The base isn't on the map —except for a few aviation charts where it is marked by a dangerous looking red square which is -labeled, "Restricted Air Space."

In this compound of somber gray buildings in the heart of the Old West, the government secretly develops such super weapons as planes invisible to radar, laser "death rays," and even tests captured Russian warplanes.

And it was here, hidden from prying eyes by hills on three sides, that the Iran rescue mis­sion is said to have trained.

This is a place of such mind-boggling secrecy that even per­sonnel with ultra top security clearance have to fall on their stomachs and cover their eyes whenever a classified aircraft is wheeled out of its hangar. Be­fore these aircraft are brought out into the daylight, a check is made on the position of Russian spy satellites — to make sure the Soviets don't get any pic­tures.

Built in 1955 by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) on the Nevada nuclear lest site about 125 miles from Las Vegas, Area 51 is surrounded by a high barbed-wire fence.

Seven miles from the mys­tery base, which today is run by the Air Force, a sign on an un­marked dirt road warns: "U.S. research facility. Top secret. Do not pass this point."

Journalists who have disre­garded the warning, or have at­tempted to report what's going on in the cloak-and-dagger-like operation have themselves been intensely grilled by federal in­telligence agents.

Reporter Ned Day of the Las Vegas Valley Times and Bob Stoldal, news director of KLAS­-TV in Las Vegas were both questioned by unidentified men in civilian clothes after they had tried to pierce the wall of secre­cy.

"After my first story ap­peared, I was visited by people involved with security at Area 51 and questioned extensively," remembered Day, who pieced together what little information that has leaked out of the base, "One of my sources told me about a plane so secret that whenever it comes out of the hangar or comes in for a land­ing, a 'siren goes off and all per­sonnel lie face down to make sure they don't look at it," he said.

"I also learned about two Russian MIG-23 airplanes — Russia's top-of-the-line fighter — which have been undergoing intelligence scrutiny at Area 51.”

Day revealed that he also turned up reliable information that amazing new laser weapons — the “ray guns” of the future — are being developed at Area 51.

"Some maps show unusually massive power lines leading out into the desert and stopping at the facility.

"I heard that this tremendous power supply is needed for the exotic laser weaponry being tested out there," he said. "Another project involves the super-secret Stealthfighter spy plane which is supposed to beinvisible to radar. According to my sources, it is made of a ma­terial that is non-reflective for radar purposes."

Two years ago, an exper­imental plane crashed in the desert and its pilot had to be hospitalized.

TV news director Stoldal sent a film crew to see if they could get pictures of Area 51, which is sometimes referred to as "The Funny Farm" by those who have worked there.

"The crew managed to get some still pictures of the base using a long lens from the top of a hill," Stoldal recalled.

Stoldal aired his story about the plane crash, plus some background on Area 51.

"Soon after, 1 started to get strange telephone calls from people who refused to identify themselves, but who wanted to know everything 1 knew about Area 51.”
_______

WEEKLY WORLD NEWS
August 19, 1980

[ExomatrixTV]

Bob Lazar Worked On Flying Saucers (PROOF From His Lawyer) Pt. 1
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Brilliant Video!:thumbsup:

[Rawhide68]

What wasn't mentioned in the Jeremy Corbell documentary (or was it a tribute film as Jimmy Church stated) was the affair between Lazar's at the time wife/girlfriend & her flight instructor.
Quite a character "his lawyer", a cross between Jesus and Rasputin :)

[Forest Denizen]

What wasn't mentioned in the Jeremy Corbell documentary (or was it a tribute film as Jimmy Church stated) was the affair between Lazar's at the time wife/girlfriend & her flight instructor.
Quite a character "his lawyer", a cross between Jesus and Rasputin :)

I believe they discussed this on the 11/25/18 edition of Coast to Coast. As I remember, it was discussed as being a security concern when Lazar was being cleared for some kind of work. I don't remember exactly where in the show it is brought up but I think it may have been not long after Lazar entered the discussion.

[ExomatrixTV]

#BobLazarisBack (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%23BobLazarisBack)5 Things Bob Lazar Should Never Have Known... But DID..
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[ExomatrixTV]

The Most Mysterious Element on the Periodic Table | Area 51, Bob Lazar & Alien Technology​
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[RaiseMachine]

Just in case anyone is still interested in the element 115 thing, here's a source for the prediction of said element in 1974.
https://kobra.uni-kassel.de/bitstream/handle/123456789/2008102224700/Fricke_properties_1974.pdf
Extract from the The Journal of Physical Chemistry Vol.78 No.19 [1974]

This proves that Bob was not the first to mention it in public.

[ExomatrixTV]

GEORGE KNAPP ~ "The UFO & Alien Cover-Up & The Lost Tapes" [Age Of Truth TV]
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[Helvetic]

The Ultimate Truth about Bob Lazar and Element 115

Source: alienscientist.com (http://alienscientist.com)

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Sources:
http://www.alienscientist.com/boblazar.html

Deep analysis on the physics of super heavy elements, Lazar's predictions and claims:
http://www.alienscientist.com/lazar.html

[ExomatrixTV]

THIS Could Be Big...


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[ExomatrixTV]

Bob Lazar is Telling The Truth About UFOs...
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[Bill Ryan]

Here's the torrent:


https://thepiratebay.rocks/torrent/27068939/Bob_Lazar_Area_51_and_Flying_Saucers_2018_HDRip_X264-SuGARTiTS

1.19 Gb, in .mkv format. (If you're having any trouble, it plays perfectly in a multipurpose video player called VLC, downloadable here (https://www.videolan.org/vlc/index.html).)


Click on the above link to open the page.
Click the green link GET TORRENT.
To download the large file, one needs a torrent client (another word for an application). I use http://vuze.com, but there are many others. Once you click on the GET TORRENT link in #2 above, it'll download automatically.

[Hervé]

For us disconnected countries, here is another access to the torrent: http://pirateunblocker.me/torrent/27068939/Bob_Lazar_Area_51_and_Flying_Saucers_2018_HDRip_X264-SuGARTiTS


The red magnet is if your app/client has "Magnet" activated.

[HaveBlue]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkuo-y38PwU&t=0s

Truthseeker666 AKA Matthew Williams 12 min critique of the Corbell BL movie. He said he got it from TPB and was glad he did. Not worth paying for. Those of us already up to speed on this one. To be fair, Corbell did state that this was for the 'new' people to this matter.

Matt is a level headed guy whose opinions I trust. He tells us what we need to hear, not what we may want to hear. (such as crop circles are made by people. He knows this being a circlemaker himself)

He does not rubbish the BL story in itself. He does not say either way what he believes, only that this Corbell movie is as Leonard Molten would put it ' a bomb'. (not to be confused with the more modern term 'the bomb' which would mean great!)

[ExomatrixTV]

David Icke Talks About UFOS & The US Military


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[ripple]

Stanton Friedman , the high priest of Ufology , showed that Bob was a complete fraud . Restricting Stan's credentials to top line Wiki info we find :-
Friedman was employed for 14 years as a nuclear physicist for such companies as General Electric (1956–1959), Aerojet General Nucleonics (1959–1963), General Motors (1963–1966), Westinghouse (1966–1968), TRW Systems (1969–1970), and McDonnell Douglas, where he worked on advanced, classified programs on nuclear aircraft, fission and fusion rockets, and compact nuclear power plants for space applications.Since the 1980s, he has done related consultant work in the radon-detection industry. Friedman's professional affiliations have included the American Nuclear Society, the American Physical Society, the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics, and AFTRA
So what did he find ?


December 1997
(Updated January 2011)
By Stanton T. Friedman


Incredible claims have been made about Bob Lazar for years. He supposedly is a physicist with an MS in Physics from MIT and an MS in Electronics from the California Institute of Technology. He was a “Scientist” for Los Alamos National Laboratory, and obtained a job back-engineering UFOs at a very secret site S-4 near Area 51 in Nevada through noted Physicist, the late Dr. Edward Teller.

Supposedly he figured out how saucers work using Element 115 — matter/anti-matter, etc. He was able to steal a small quantity of 115 from the 500 pounds available, but this was stolen back. There was indeed an announcement in early 2004 about the production of 4 atoms of element 115 by operating a huge European accelerator for many weeks. It has a very short half life so there is no way to accumulate pounds of it. He supposedly came forward with his story despite death threats because he thought the public has a right to know. Videotapes are available with his claims.

It is all BUNK.

Not one shred of evidence has been put forth to support this story: No diplomas, no résumés, no transcripts, no memberships in professional organizations, no papers, no pages from MIT or Caltech yearbooks. He also mentioned, in a phone conversation with me, California State University at Northridge and Pierce Junior College — also in the San Fernando Valley, California. I checked all four schools. Pierce said he had taken electronics courses in the late 1970s. The other three schools never heard of him.

The page from the Los Alamos National Lab phone book with Lazar’s name on it clearly states that it includes employees of the DOE and outside contractor, Kirk Meyer. “K/M” follows Lazar’s name. This proves he worked for K/M, not LANL.

I checked with LANL’s personnel department for Lazar’s name and that of an old colleague. They found my guy, but not Lazar.

He was publicly asked when he got his MS from MIT. He said “Let me see now, I think it was probably 1982.” Nobody getting an MS from MIT would not know the year immediately. He was asked to name some of his profs, He said: “Let’s see now, Bill Duxler will remember me from the physics department at Caltech.” I located Dr. Duxler. He’s a Pierce Junior College physics prof, and never taught at Caltech. Lazar was registered in one of his courses at the same time Lazar was supposedly at MIT! Nobody who can go to MIT goes to Pierce JC, not to mention the rather long commute between LA and Cambridge, Mass.

I checked his High School in New York State. He graduated in August, not with his class. The only science course he took was chemistry. He ranked 261 out of 369, which is in the bottom third. There is no way he would have been admitted by MIT or Caltech. An MS in Physics from MIT requires a thesis. No such thesis exists at MIT, and he is not on a commencement list. The notion that the government wiped his CIVILIAN records clean is absurd. I checked with the Legal Counsel at MIT — no way to wipe all his records clean. The Physics department never heard of him and he is not a member of the American Physical Society.

When he declared bankruptcy in the mid 1980s for almost $300,000.00 he listed his occupation as a self-employed film processor. With MS degrees from MIT and Caltech? Caltech would not have accepted him for an MS program, if he already had one from MIT.

His propulsion scheme sounds good (as do many science fiction stories), but makes no real sense especially in view of how difficult it would be to add protons to #115. Gravity wave amplification sounds great but what does it mean?

He could not have gotten a Compartmentalized Security clearance having operated a brothel. His W-2 form from the Department of Naval Intelligence totals under $1000.00, at most a week’s pay for a scientist. You can’t get a security clearance in a week.

Scientists leave trails. Lazar is NOT a scientist. He couldn’t even answer scientific questions put to him. An excellent review of Bob’s “Physics” can be seen at web.archive.org/web/20061220030435/http://www.serve.com/mahood/lazar/critiq.htm.

I should add that Bob is a bright and talented guy who operated a jet powered car, put on fireworks displays, and apparently helped physics professors working at the Los Alamos Meson accelerator facility.

So what do you think about Bob now ?
Not a lot!!

[pigsy2400]

Considering the hoohaa that was made by Knapp that Area 51 was not known before he and Lazar broke the story....well that was 1989....
this article is from 1980 and includes comments and investigations by Knapp's mentor...

http://projectavalon.net/Weekly_World_News_Area_51_article_19_August_1980.gif


Make of that what you will....

***

Thanks, and fascinating. Yes, this article was dated August 1980.

Here's the OCRed text, accurately checked, so it can be searchable. :thumbsup:

~~~



America's biggest secrets kept at hidden air base

Deep in the barren Ne­vada wilderness is the most closely guarded secret in America — an incredible military base that's like something out of a James Bond thriller.

This base is so secret that even the Pentagon refuses to admit it exists.

Newsmen who venture too close are stopped and ques­tioned by mysterious-looking men in plain clothes.

Even pilots from nearby Nellis Air Force Base are forbidden to fly over it, or to speak of it.

The base isn't on the map —except for a few aviation charts where it is marked by a dangerous looking red square which is -labeled, "Restricted Air Space."

In this compound of somber gray buildings in the heart of the Old West, the government secretly develops such super weapons as planes invisible to radar, laser "death rays," and even tests captured Russian warplanes.

And it was here, hidden from prying eyes by hills on three sides, that the Iran rescue mis­sion is said to have trained.

This is a place of such mind-boggling secrecy that even per­sonnel with ultra top security clearance have to fall on their stomachs and cover their eyes whenever a classified aircraft is wheeled out of its hangar. Be­fore these aircraft are brought out into the daylight, a check is made on the position of Russian spy satellites — to make sure the Soviets don't get any pic­tures.

Built in 1955 by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) on the Nevada nuclear lest site about 125 miles from Las Vegas, Area 51 is surrounded by a high barbed-wire fence.

Seven miles from the mys­tery base, which today is run by the Air Force, a sign on an un­marked dirt road warns: "U.S. research facility. Top secret. Do not pass this point."

Journalists who have disre­garded the warning, or have at­tempted to report what's going on in the cloak-and-dagger-like operation have themselves been intensely grilled by federal in­telligence agents.

Reporter Ned Day of the Las Vegas Valley Times and Bob Stoldal, news director of KLAS­-TV in Las Vegas were both questioned by unidentified men in civilian clothes after they had tried to pierce the wall of secre­cy.

"After my first story ap­peared, I was visited by people involved with security at Area 51 and questioned extensively," remembered Day, who pieced together what little information that has leaked out of the base, "One of my sources told me about a plane so secret that whenever it comes out of the hangar or comes in for a land­ing, a 'siren goes off and all per­sonnel lie face down to make sure they don't look at it," he said.

"I also learned about two Russian MIG-23 airplanes — Russia's top-of-the-line fighter — which have been undergoing intelligence scrutiny at Area 51.”

Day revealed that he also turned up reliable information that amazing new laser weapons — the “ray guns” of the future — are being developed at Area 51.

"Some maps show unusually massive power lines leading out into the desert and stopping at the facility.

"I heard that this tremendous power supply is needed for the exotic laser weaponry being tested out there," he said. "Another project involves the super-secret Stealthfighter spy plane which is supposed to beinvisible to radar. According to my sources, it is made of a ma­terial that is non-reflective for radar purposes."

Two years ago, an exper­imental plane crashed in the desert and its pilot had to be hospitalized.

TV news director Stoldal sent a film crew to see if they could get pictures of Area 51, which is sometimes referred to as "The Funny Farm" by those who have worked there.

"The crew managed to get some still pictures of the base using a long lens from the top of a hill," Stoldal recalled.

Stoldal aired his story about the plane crash, plus some background on Area 51.

"Soon after, 1 started to get strange telephone calls from people who refused to identify themselves, but who wanted to know everything 1 knew about Area 51.”
_______

WEEKLY WORLD NEWS
August 19, 1980


Apologies Bill, I hadn't seen your reply.
it is indeed fascinating when looking at the "genesis" of the story of Knapp and Lazar.

Sometimes you just need to know where to look, well.. look in lots of places and sometimes little gems like this appear. Bob Stoldal was a very good reporter and was Knapps mentor and close personal friend. There are lots of similarities with the story of the feds following Bob Stoldal and his partners at the news station when they were researching this story.. sounds familiar no??

When I have presented this to others that are staunch believers in Bob Lazar and his story, they just gloss over it and ignore it. I also cannot for one second believe that Knapp was not aware of this article or the work that his mentor put into his research into Area 51. The article states quite clearly;

"laser "death rays," and even tests captured Russian warplanes."
Built in 1955 by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) on the Nevada nuclear lest site about 125 miles from Las Vegas, Area 51 is surrounded by a high barbed-wire fence.

"Another project involves the super-secret Stealthfighter spy plane which is supposed to be invisible to radar. According to my sources, it is made of a material that is non-reflective for radar purposes."

So here we have an article stating the words "Area 51" "Laser Death Rays" and "Stealthfigher"

Area 51 - in black and white - yes Lazar brought the attention of the world to base with the help of Knapp, but whose to say that Lazar didn't see the article?
Laser Death Rays - Area 51 was rumored to house a particle accelerator based weapon. I would surmise that the "orange UFOs" that Bob and Lear videoed out in the desert where nothing more than a test of this particle accelerator, that when it reached its peak height, usually about a mile up, fused with particles in the local atmosphere and created plasma's... glowing orange plasma's.


In regards to the "StealthFighter" I was blown away by that being in the article, this was a full 9 years before it was officially confirmed to exist and also before any images of it would have been public. This is in fact a leak of a project that would have been in the deep black.

Also of note is the date and time that Aviation Weekly went live with their issue in May of 1989 that provided the first public images of the Stealth F117a, the very same month that Lazar first came out with this story, probably a coincidence, but interesting nonetheless..

Aviation Weekly, May 1st - 1989 - The issue on the right.
https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/153260113998_/Aviation-Week-Space-Technology-B-2-BOMBERS-FIRST.jpg

I also believe, that the image of the stealth was provided to them by no less than John Lear himself!

[ExomatrixTV]

The Perplexing BOB LAZAR | An In-Depth Exploration (2019)


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[onawah]

Alien Pictures, Why Aliens Visit, & Element 115 - Answering Your Questions
Larry King
Published on Jan 9, 2019

"Bob Lazar and Jeremy Corbell answer your questions, including describing what the alien being looked like that Bob saw a picture of, what the aliens looks like, and the size of the spacecrafts housed at Area 51."
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Jeremy Corbell On Why He Thinks US Government Keeps UFO Knowledge Secret
"The UFO enthusiast and filmmaker reveals why he thinks the government doesn’t speak out about alien existence even with evidence of experiences like the 'Tic Tac UFO'."
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UFO Whistleblower Bob Lazar Explains Why He Decided to Speak Out in 1989
"Bob Lazar, who claimed in 1989 he reversed engineered an alien spacecraft in secret a government project, says he spoke out because he feared for his life."
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[onawah]

BOB LAZAR : UFO PRESENTATION BY JEREMY KENYON LOCKYER CORBELL
Jeremy Corbell
Premiered Nov 13, 2018
WATCH NOW on iTUNES : https://itunes.apple.com/us/movie/bob...
"In celebration of Corbell's film release on Bob Lazar, here is an a free audio/visual prevention. Corbell talks in detail about Lazar, as well as, shares personal moments and never before revealed footage from his investigations. There's a great moment where Award Winning investigative reporter George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell call Area 51 to attempt and get some answers, modern day. Enjoy!"
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[ExomatrixTV]

Larry King: Alien Pictures, Why Aliens Visit, & Element 115 - Answering Your Questions
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[ripple]

I watch videos about Saint Bob occasionally and always have to square the narrative with facts like these :-

Lazar's name does appear in a Los Alamos National Lab telephone directory. However, this lists both employees and contractors, and Stanton Friedman records that Lazar actually worked as a technician for Kirk Meyer, an outside contractor.
In 1990, Lazar was arrested for aiding and abetting a prostitution ring. This was reduced to felony pandering, to which he pleaded guilty. He was ordered to do 150 hours of community service, stay away from brothels, and undergo psychotherapy.
Lazar owns and operates United Nuclear Scientific Equipment and Supplies, that pled guilty to three criminal counts of and aiding and abetting the introduction into interstate commerce, of banned hazardous substances. In 2007, United Nuclear was fined $7,500 for violations.
Clearly a complex sort of person and what you think you going to get with Bob is obviously often very different in real life . And as for Element 115 -- give us a break .

[ExomatrixTV]

The Perplexing BOB LAZAR | An In-Depth Exploration (2019)


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[edina]

Stanton Friedman , the high priest of Ufology , showed that Bob was a complete fraud . Restricting Stan's credentials to top line Wiki info we find :-
Friedman was employed for 14 years as a nuclear physicist for such companies as General Electric (1956–1959), Aerojet General Nucleonics (1959–1963), General Motors (1963–1966), Westinghouse (1966–1968), TRW Systems (1969–1970), and McDonnell Douglas, where he worked on advanced, classified programs on nuclear aircraft, fission and fusion rockets, and compact nuclear power plants for space applications.Since the 1980s, he has done related consultant work in the radon-detection industry. Friedman's professional affiliations have included the American Nuclear Society, the American Physical Society, the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics, and AFTRA
So what did he find ?


December 1997
(Updated January 2011)
By Stanton T. Friedman


Incredible claims have been made about Bob Lazar for years. He supposedly is a physicist with an MS in Physics from MIT and an MS in Electronics from the California Institute of Technology. He was a “Scientist” for Los Alamos National Laboratory, and obtained a job back-engineering UFOs at a very secret site S-4 near Area 51 in Nevada through noted Physicist, the late Dr. Edward Teller.

Supposedly he figured out how saucers work using Element 115 — matter/anti-matter, etc. He was able to steal a small quantity of 115 from the 500 pounds available, but this was stolen back. There was indeed an announcement in early 2004 about the production of 4 atoms of element 115 by operating a huge European accelerator for many weeks. It has a very short half life so there is no way to accumulate pounds of it. He supposedly came forward with his story despite death threats because he thought the public has a right to know. Videotapes are available with his claims.

It is all BUNK.

Not one shred of evidence has been put forth to support this story: No diplomas, no résumés, no transcripts, no memberships in professional organizations, no papers, no pages from MIT or Caltech yearbooks. He also mentioned, in a phone conversation with me, California State University at Northridge and Pierce Junior College — also in the San Fernando Valley, California. I checked all four schools. Pierce said he had taken electronics courses in the late 1970s. The other three schools never heard of him.

The page from the Los Alamos National Lab phone book with Lazar’s name on it clearly states that it includes employees of the DOE and outside contractor, Kirk Meyer. “K/M” follows Lazar’s name. This proves he worked for K/M, not LANL.

I checked with LANL’s personnel department for Lazar’s name and that of an old colleague. They found my guy, but not Lazar.

He was publicly asked when he got his MS from MIT. He said “Let me see now, I think it was probably 1982.” Nobody getting an MS from MIT would not know the year immediately. He was asked to name some of his profs, He said: “Let’s see now, Bill Duxler will remember me from the physics department at Caltech.” I located Dr. Duxler. He’s a Pierce Junior College physics prof, and never taught at Caltech. Lazar was registered in one of his courses at the same time Lazar was supposedly at MIT! Nobody who can go to MIT goes to Pierce JC, not to mention the rather long commute between LA and Cambridge, Mass.

I checked his High School in New York State. He graduated in August, not with his class. The only science course he took was chemistry. He ranked 261 out of 369, which is in the bottom third. There is no way he would have been admitted by MIT or Caltech. An MS in Physics from MIT requires a thesis. No such thesis exists at MIT, and he is not on a commencement list. The notion that the government wiped his CIVILIAN records clean is absurd. I checked with the Legal Counsel at MIT — no way to wipe all his records clean. The Physics department never heard of him and he is not a member of the American Physical Society.

When he declared bankruptcy in the mid 1980s for almost $300,000.00 he listed his occupation as a self-employed film processor. With MS degrees from MIT and Caltech? Caltech would not have accepted him for an MS program, if he already had one from MIT.

His propulsion scheme sounds good (as do many science fiction stories), but makes no real sense especially in view of how difficult it would be to add protons to #115. Gravity wave amplification sounds great but what does it mean?

He could not have gotten a Compartmentalized Security clearance having operated a brothel. His W-2 form from the Department of Naval Intelligence totals under $1000.00, at most a week’s pay for a scientist. You can’t get a security clearance in a week.

Scientists leave trails. Lazar is NOT a scientist. He couldn’t even answer scientific questions put to him. An excellent review of Bob’s “Physics” can be seen at web.archive.org/web/20061220030435/http://www.serve.com/mahood/lazar/critiq.htm.

I should add that Bob is a bright and talented guy who operated a jet powered car, put on fireworks displays, and apparently helped physics professors working at the Los Alamos Meson accelerator facility.

So what do you think about Bob now ?
Not a lot!!

This is a lot of detailed research information that was simply glossed over in this thread.

Who do you know does this level of research?

I wonder if anyone even read it?

One of the purposes of this forum is to seek out the truth, to dive deep in our research so we can discern what is true and what is not.

This post does exactly this, and was virtually ignored.

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I watch videos about Saint Bob occasionally and always have to square the narrative with facts like these :-

Lazar's name does appear in a Los Alamos National Lab telephone directory. However, this lists both employees and contractors, and Stanton Friedman records that Lazar actually worked as a technician for Kirk Meyer, an outside contractor.
In 1990, Lazar was arrested for aiding and abetting a prostitution ring. This was reduced to felony pandering, to which he pleaded guilty. He was ordered to do 150 hours of community service, stay away from brothels, and undergo psychotherapy.
Lazar owns and operates United Nuclear Scientific Equipment and Supplies, that pled guilty to three criminal counts of and aiding and abetting the introduction into interstate commerce, of banned hazardous substances. In 2007, United Nuclear was fined $7,500 for violations.
Clearly a complex sort of person and what you think you going to get with Bob is obviously often very different in real life . And as for Element 115 -- give us a break .

And here, he tried again to bring in facts... again, virtually ignored.

How do we up our level in intellectual integrity when doing research?

I know I feel I can learn a thing or three from this sort of deep diving.

This is excellent critical thinking. Not at all rude, but not the popular opinion here on Avalon.

[avid]

Please Edina, you are flooding threads with your frustrations, your queries have been answered by many moderators/administrators. Stop trying to be hyper-critical, take a break, chill out, this much angst is not worth it.
All the best to you, and looking forward to you back joining interesting threads without keeping referencing those who were disruptive in the past. :sun:

[edina]

Please Edina, you are flooding threads with your frustrations, your queries have been answered by many moderators/administrators. Stop trying to be hyper-critical, take a break, chill out, this much angst is not worth it.
All the best to you, and looking forward to you back joining interesting threads without keeping referencing those who were disruptive in the past. :sun:

avid, I was just making note of something I hadn't noticed before.

Someone suggested I go back and reread ripple's posts.

To stay on topic, what did you think about the level of research he talked about in the comment?

This was what was interesting to me, he made phone calls, I mean, he called the schools that Bob Lazar said he went to, this is some really good research techniques.

I'm just really interested in that sort of research style.

Nothing hyper-critical about that, but, there is a lot of hyper-criticism directed by others in the forum toward people who are different, or think differently.

And also, I'm really thinking about how we can up our game in doing our research.

I'm sorry you missed that point.

For me, I was just making note of that and moving on. :)

[KiwiElf]

BOB LAZAR: ANATOMY OF A FLYING SAUCER: EXTENDED SCENE

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30 Years after Bob Lazar first claimed he was working on captured alien spacecraft at the now infamous S4 Base - a few miles south of Area 51 - Bob revisits, updates & discusses the "Sports Model" & its workings.

Jeremy Corbell
Premiered Feb 26, 2019


Ever wonder how a UFO operates? How a civilization from another world builds and uses a technology to travel amongst the stars? Do real UFOs have to travel faster than the speed of light or can they bend the fabric of space-time itself? In this NEW and never before seen interview with former Government physicist Bob Lazar; take a guided look into the specifics - function and design - of the flying saucer he worked on at the infamous Area 51 (Site 4). From gravity propulsion, saucer design, configurations and modes of travel, to gravity wave amplification - even a description of an alien language transposed onto the wall of the craft - this little lesson in alien propulsion will fascinate you and weaponize your curiosity.

(refer to OP for additional data & images)

[Star Tsar]

A Q&A with Bob!


Jeremy Corbell

Rare Q&A Seesion With Bob Lazar

Streaming Live @ Time Of Posting / Published 16th June 2019

Jeremy Corbell hosts his friend Mr Bob Lazar for a ultra rare Q&A seesion, Where Mr Lazar answers YOUR questions to the best of this ability...

CAhiULlKwHI

[Intranuclear]

Bob Lazar for me is by far the most credible whistleblower EVER. He knows physics and he pays attention and the fact that he predicted element 115 many years before its creation says a lot.
I guess because physics is dear to my heart and I can understand what he says, I appreciate it more.
An example of him stating that even when a candle was placed in the sports model's time dilation field and the candle flame had stopped moving (not just not flickering), light (its color and intensity) was unaltered, which made no sense to him and he did not try to embellish the physics.
It is largely due to him that Russians tried to make element 115, however they were disappointed when they did not get the correct isotope to declare stability.

[Mike Gorman]

Bob has definitely suffered from the doubters, Stanton Friedman seemed to think he was telling tall tales, but my own instincts tell me that Bob is authentic.
I share Bill's reservations about Elizondo and the recent crew, which so obviously are addressing a notional 'Normal audience' - I actually think that 'Normie' demographic is much smaller
than they imagine. The result of the widespread WWW discussions about this topic have had a huge effect, 'Camelot' reached millions!

[silvanelf]

Bob Lazar for me is by far the most credible whistleblower EVER. He knows physics and he pays attention and the fact that he predicted element 115 many years before its creation says a lot.


Anyone could "predict" the element 115 even decades before Bob Lazar. This fact itself is meaningless. Furthermore Lazar's claim that element 115 cannot be synthesized in a lab is wrong.

But the most important issue is that we still don't know whether the specific isotope of element 115 with 184 neutrons (called "moscovium-299") is a stable element or not. Therefore nobody can claim that "Bob Lazar was confirmed" -- the claim that there is a stable isotope of element 115 is still open.

In short: I think that Bob Lazar was really there at the secret base S-4 near Area 51 -- but at the same time I'm pretty sure that Bob Lazar was brainwashed and that his claims about physics and element 115 are nonsense.

A number of free energy researchers were killed, because they came too close to the truth. On the other hand Bob Lazar is still alive, despite his public statements about element 115 and anti-gravity and all that. Draw your own conclusions.



Element 115

But back to my point: Scientists were openly predicting that these elements existed at least in the 1960s, over two decades before Bob Lazar made his claims about element 115. So the very fact that he incorporated ununpentium into his story, and then ununpentium was synthesized, does NOT mean that his story is automatically true.

That may seem like an obvious statement to many of you, but you’re an elite audience; many people miss or choose not to understand this, evidenced by the fact that when ununpentium was first possibly observed in a particle accelerator, various chatrooms and forums on the internet lit up with statements that Bob Lazar was vindicated.

Unfortunately, the very method of his apparent vindication - that element 115 had finally been created - directly contradicts a key claim that Bob Lazar made: Ununpentium cannot be synthesized in a lab. That it must be found in naturally occurring deposits that can only be made in high-mass star systems.

https://podcast.sjrdesign.net/shownotes_133.php

[Ratszinger]

Not to rain on any parades but another take could be that what Bob has done here either complicit with the gov. he once worked for or because he was set up to do this but what he has done is completely validate the aliens for the DEEP STATE FAKE ALIEN INVASION! The most 'credible' of all whistleblowers just confirmed aliens exist so when the fake attack ensues people now have no reason to think it's fake do they? Stanton Friedman didn't believe Lazar was truthful or real as I recall. Perhaps we should reexamine why?

[East Sun]

why assume there will ever be an attack?

Extra terr have been coming to earth for millions of years IMO.

Civilizations have come and gone and we are just the hybrids
left here from the last civil.

they are apparently here again manipulating govts.
nothing new under the sun...……….

[Strat]

Anyone could "predict" the element 115 even decades before Bob Lazar. This fact itself is meaningless. Furthermore Lazar's claim that element 115 cannot be synthesized in a lab is wrong.


I believe you're misquoting him.
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Click at around 33:53 if the link doesn't already do it.

[silvanelf]

Anyone could "predict" the element 115 even decades before Bob Lazar. This fact itself is meaningless. Furthermore Lazar's claim that element 115 cannot be synthesized in a lab is wrong.


I believe you're misquoting him.
[...]
Click at around 33:53 if the link doesn't already do it.

He made a different claim in another source, but this doesn't mean that I misquoted him. It's just an indication that Bob Lazar has changed his story once in a while. Here is the source I've mentioned above:


Of ununpentium’s manufacture, Bob Lazar stated it is “impossible to synthesize an element that heavy here on Earth. … The substance has to come from a place where super-heavy elements could have been produced naturally.” But he also said that the US government had collected about 500 lbs of the material, which I guess would be enough to power 100 crafts for several years.

https://podcast.sjrdesign.net/shownotes_133.php

Here is another source:

Element 115 does not exist on Earth and cannot be synthesized, Lazar states, because it is a “superheavy” element. “All indications are that it’s found naturally, and it seems that it would have to occur naturally, in a place where there would be a much larger star—maybe a binary star, in an area where there’s been a supernova—someplace where there’s been a sufficient energy release to synthesize such a heavy element. ... To go so high up the chart, it really can’t be produced artificially in any way I can see.

(pdf) Timothy Good -- Alien Contact: Top-Secret Ufo Files Revealed (https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi5usTV0_jiAhXQbFAKHUOBB3gQFjAAegQIBBAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Favalonlibrary.net%2Febooks%2FTimothy%2520Good%2520-%2520Alien%2520Contact%2520-%2520Top-secret%2520UFO%2520Files%2520Revealed.pdf&usg=AOvVaw38H5WvlBD6RWEH3jOGGpky)

[silvanelf]

Stanton Friedman didn't believe Lazar was truthful or real as I recall.

That's right, here is Stanton Friedman about Bob Lazar (http://www.stantonfriedman.com/index.php?ptp=articles&fdt=2011.01.07)

Now we have a list of well-known physicists who are working in the field of Ufology. All of them dismissed Bob Lazar's claims:

Stanton Friedman
Hal Puthoff -- his silence about Lazar speaks for itself
Jacques Vallee -- see quote below
Eric Davis -- see link below


Eric Davis: “Lazar Made Up His Entire Cockamamie Story” (http://www.ufojoe.net/?p=220)


Perhaps we should reexamine why?

As it seems some people have already done exactly this. The original source of these statements about Bob Lazar is Jacques F. Vallée's book "revelations".


Lazar was told that the previous research team employed to work on the spacecraft propulsion unit had met with a nasty end when they tried to cut the reactor open while in operation! Seriously? And we are expected to believe that these scientists were employed to work on the most heavily classified project in existence, at a location that absorbs billions of dollars worth of taxpayer funds? So what amazing technological tools is Lazar given to aid in unlocking the secrets of anti-matter gravitational drive propulsion (preferably without cutting it open while running!)? An oscilloscope and a voltmeter. That’s it.

“I’m no research physicist. If those were really alien disks, they should have had the best scientists in the country working on them. Instead they gave us these briefings and just told us to try anything we liked. Nothing was written down.” says Lazar.
“I had a digital voltmeter,” said Lazar. “I also had an oscilloscope. That’s it.”

LOGIC: Surely an organisation that spends billions on stealth and UAV technology would spare no expense to unlock the secrets of an interstellar gravity drive?

https://uncensored.co.nz/2018/07/07/theatre-of-deception-robert-lazar-and-the-area-51-revelations/

[Clear Light]

Oh, I just saw this Avalon thread and also that apparently Bob Lazar will be on with Joe Rogan some time on 20th June according to his website, and what was said in the video below at just after the 24:30 mark ?

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Description : PowerfulJRE (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzQUP1qoWDoEbmsQxvdjxgQ) : Published on 19 Jun 2019

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So I guess the interview will get uploaded to their YouTube channel some time fairly soon ? :noidea:

[Star Tsar]

Bob Lazar & Jeremy Corbell on JRE!


The Joe Rogan Experience

Episode #1315 | Bob Lazar & Jeremy Corbell

Published 21st June 2019

Bob Lazar is a physicist who worked at Los Alamos National Laboratory on reverse engineering extraterrestrial technology at a site called S-4 near the Area 51 Groom Lake operating location. Jeremy Corbell is a contemporary artist and documentary filmmaker.

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[Star Tsar]

You know there is a a man named Dennis Mariani that builds prototype cars!?!?!

https://s3images.coroflot.com/user_files/individual_files/429242_nZQ99nbG3KYuW3qTyEDYrEbzn.jpg

https://www.coroflot.com/albertohdzm/2011-Moal-Coachbuilding-Dennis-Mariani-Streamliner

[Strat]

Hands down a must see. Amazing stuff. How do I record youtube videos? I want this on my hard drive and then I'll burn it. Should be in the Avalon library as well.

[Star Tsar]

Hands down a must see. Amazing stuff. How do I record youtube videos? I want this on my hard drive and then I'll burn it. Should be in the Avalon library as well.

Use VLC, Select Convert/Save

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Edward Teller refuses to answer the question of if he knows Bob Lazar!?!

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[waree]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEWz4SXfyCQ&t=

Why is nobody here talking about this? This is so awesome!
Joe Rogan and Bob Lazar!

[Bill Ryan]

Hands down a must see. Amazing stuff. How do I record youtube videos? I want this on my hard drive and then I'll burn it. Should be in the Avalon library as well.

http://clipgrab.org (https://clipgrab.org) works well for me. But there are a bunch of free sites one can use.

Yes, this has to be an exquisite, delicious treat... I've downloaded it myself overnight (it's long!) and I'm going to listen to it today, maybe several times.

:Party:

[p+52]

A very good interview, and I commend Joe for asking the questions we all need to know. Never have heard Bob (until this interview) discuss the involvement of the Russians at S4 "until a big discovery was made", then they were unwelcome after that. Fascinating.

Also important to the dialog is the inclusion of todays Tic Tac episodes, and the Wilson memo leak, both which appear to validate Bobs work on the program.

[waree]

Sometimes I think Joe is genetically modified to do his job. He executes his podcast too well! Really!!

[Praxis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEWz4SXfyCQ&t=

Why is nobody here talking about this? This is so awesome!
Joe Rogan and Bob Lazar!

Had a VERY strong impression while watching.

Why is there a consistent push to make it seem like we have no idea how the machines operate?
If this is true, then what is the derivation of the TR3B? We clearly have craft, as I have seen one personally in CO, that are based on these principles yet this is counter to the narrative bob is spinning(unless we captured flying triangles, which I am unaware of anyone making this claim, but could be very wrong here. Michael Schratt seems to think it is a Terran object).

I get a very strong impression that Bob and even his whole program were intentionally set up as a limited hang out.
I firmly believe all his information is correct as he relays it. However, the program he was inducted into is actually a way of controlling how disclosure happens.

This is crucial. He is setting up the framework that the government has no understanding of how this tech works. If this is true then they dont look bad at not sharing this tech because it could be used as a weapon, like all tech. So they can say we will let you have it when we understand it. Oh and look Haliburton and Raytheon won the contracts to figure it out.

So this way they can continue the slow drip of tech, but now start actually giving us the Jetsons type tech. The internet was a test case on how to roll out a tech and make sure it doesnt get out of hand.

It took a bit but now the internet is very curated. They have figured out how to do this with the test case and now the real game begins. Enter bob lazar back into the scene and TTSa.

It really does feel like it is the time for the game to start rolling out. That is why it is Majic 12. Bob is the Magicians assistant, knowingly or not, that is helping set the Overton Window.

[waree]

Had a VERY strong impression while watching.

Why is there a consistent push to make it seem like we have no idea how the machines operate?
If this is true, then what is the derivation of the TR3B? We clearly have craft, as I have seen one personally in CO, that are based on these principles yet this is counter to the narrative bob is spinning(unless we captured flying triangles, which I am unaware of anyone making this claim, but could be very wrong here. Michael Schratt seems to think it is a Terran object).

I get a very strong impression that Bob and even his whole program were intentionally set up as a limited hang out.
I firmly believe all his information is correct as he relays it. However, the program he was inducted into is actually a way of controlling how disclosure happens.

This is crucial. He is setting up the framework that the government has no understanding of how this tech works. If this is true then they dont look bad at not sharing this tech because it could be used as a weapon, like all tech. So they can say we will let you have it when we understand it. Oh and look Haliburton and Raytheon won the contracts to figure it out.

So this way they can continue the slow drip of tech, but now start actually giving us the Jetsons type tech. The internet was a test case on how to roll out a tech and make sure it doesnt get out of hand.

It took a bit but now the internet is very curated. They have figured out how to do this with the test case and now the real game begins. Enter bob lazar back into the scene and TTSa.

It really does feel like it is the time for the game to start rolling out. That is why it is Majic 12. Bob is the Magicians assistant, knowingly or not, that is helping set the Overton Window.

I feel the same. Something is coming. They set the stage to roll out something. If you see the Podesta's email, he mentioned UFO is his "secret plan". What did he plan for us?

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/50448

[Ratszinger]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEWz4SXfyCQ&t=

Why is nobody here talking about this? This is so awesome!
Joe Rogan and Bob Lazar!

Had a VERY strong impression while watching.

Why is there a consistent push to make it seem like we have no idea how the machines operate?
If this is true, then what is the derivation of the TR3B? We clearly have craft, as I have seen one personally in CO, that are based on these principles yet this is counter to the narrative bob is spinning(unless we captured flying triangles, which I am unaware of anyone making this claim, but could be very wrong here. Michael Schratt seems to think it is a Terran object).

I get a very strong impression that Bob and even his whole program were intentionally set up as a limited hang out.
I firmly believe all his information is correct as he relays it. However, the program he was inducted into is actually a way of controlling how disclosure happens.

This is crucial. He is setting up the framework that the government has no understanding of how this tech works. If this is true then they dont look bad at not sharing this tech because it could be used as a weapon, like all tech. So they can say we will let you have it when we understand it. Oh and look Haliburton and Raytheon won the contracts to figure it out.

So this way they can continue the slow drip of tech, but now start actually giving us the Jetsons type tech. The internet was a test case on how to roll out a tech and make sure it doesnt get out of hand.

It took a bit but now the internet is very curated. They have figured out how to do this with the test case and now the real game begins. Enter bob lazar back into the scene and TTSa.

It really does feel like it is the time for the game to start rolling out. That is why it is Majic 12. Bob is the Magicians assistant, knowingly or not, that is helping set the Overton Window.

Exactly and Bob's doing it gives the military industrial complex complete plausible deniability on the matter but the entire thing stinks. Bob said he had "NO DESIRE" to talk about it any longer and the next thing I know he is talking about it again and confirming the aliens exist which falls right nicely into the agenda for the fake alien invasion planned. I find the entire thing quite smelly personally and my entire opinion of Bob has changed after re-watching this video. My gut is usually on with these things. It was on with Parks, it was on with Goode, and Wilcox and it was on with Q as far as I am concerned. My gut says stay wary of this one!

[Strat]

A very good interview, and I commend Joe for asking the questions we all need to know. Never have heard Bob (until this interview) discuss the involvement of the Russians at S4 "until a big discovery was made", then they were unwelcome after that. Fascinating.

Also important to the dialog is the inclusion of todays Tic Tac episodes, and the Wilson memo leak, both which appear to validate Bobs work on the program.

I like the letter brought up at the end of the podcast and Bob's face subsequently lighting up. "Why are you telling me this now?!" So cool.

I went to a website that had a bunch of info on Lazar, it was one of those old school 90's/early 2000's sites. http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Government_Scientist.htm Loaded fine last night, now it's crushed with traffic. Bandwith limit exceeded, can't get to it.

The Netflix doc is also a must see.

[p+52]

[QUOTE=p+52;1298628]The Netflix doc is also a must see.

Own it. seen it many times.

I was exposed to Bobs story in 1989 when I was listening to a radio interview of him (from a LV radio station) just after the knapp 5:00 News expose. I was glued to my radio!!!

[ichingcarpenter]

Cameron said something interesting on the JC show. Lazar was asked in his interview at area 51 with his employer if he knew John Lear. John Lear was already known as 'out there' and Lazar said he did know John. Yes Lazar saw what he said he saw out there and that was part of the PTB plan, but George Knapp came into the equation which they hadn't planned that gave the story credence. John Lear was suppose to be the useful idiot...that talk about captured UFOs could be debunked on this revelation by using Lear. Knapp had real investigative journalist creds. Lear? Not so much so this psy ops game got out of control. Lazar I think .saw and experienced what he said he did.

[Intranuclear]

The Netflix doc is OK, but it misses so much of what Bob has said.
This is a 10+ hour video that is a gem. So much info.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYKDVK5Lo0A

Decades ago when I got into Bob Lazar I immediately believed him. I hate to admit it but I think Stan Freidman did more damage to Bob Lazar than anyone else. Because Stan was very credible and the fact that Stan was not able to verify Bob's credentials he determined that Bob was a liar. I also fell for that for many years.
It was not until I started to REALLY pay attention to Bob's videos, especially the linked video is when I realized that if Bob is a liar, then Satan is Jesus.
I could say much about Bob, but to me he is by far the most credible and important whistleblower EVER.

Of course belief should never decide in research, but it certainly can direct research.
The most terrible and painful thing that Bob says is him being honest and state that he wishes that he kept his mouth shut and if he had the chance to do it all over again, he would jump on that opportunity.

This saddens me, because I actually agree with him, and yet if he had not done what he did, I would not be inspired now. I also state that if I have the opportunity to work on something similar, I would have learned from Bob and rather than undergo 30 years of hate and demoralization, hands down I would keep my mouth SHUT!

[p+52]

was part of the PTB plan



I’m sorry? “PTB”?

[Intranuclear]

was part of the PTB plan



I’m sorry? “PTB”?

I assume it means Powers That Be, yes?

[KiwiElf]

was part of the PTB plan



I’m sorry? “PTB”?

I assume it means Powers That Be, yes?

Yes. Also commonly referred to as the "Shadow Government", "Deep State" "Cabal", etc. It's Global. ;)

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[silvanelf]

I think the alien technology he has witnessed is still beyond our understanding and yes if we did understand it as Lazar said at the end of the doc they would control the world so I think they would use it to show full spectrum dominance and say so and not hide it anymore....

That's an interesting turn: now Bob Lazar's story is utilized within some right-wing propaganda.

From the video at 1:12:00


This is a powerful technology, fearsome technology and you just don't want everyone to have. They will become obvious how to make constructive as well as destructive devices from it it's my only guess as to why they have never released information it's kind of difficult once you release the technology to be analyzed and give it to everyone they can just run with it.

You really can't keep the weapon potential hidden, you really can't. Look with ET technology you can literally rule the world well. I am telling the truth.


source: video above at post #21

[waree]

Joe Rogan is a UFO believer now!

https://twitter.com/joerogan/status/1141878304435253253?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1141878304435253253&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublish.twitter.com%2F%3Fquery%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Ftwitter.com%252Fjoerogan% 252Fstatus%252F1141878304435253253%26widget%3DTweet

[Ratszinger]

Guys/gals, every one without exception, everyone of the editors and producers of every single major news and entertainment network is a member of the council on foreign relations (CFR) . This means that just like for years when they wouldn't touch or take seriously the UFO stories it was because of word from the top telling them how to handle it. Now it's no different. Someone at the top has obviously opened the valve up and given the okay and now mainstream suddenly has the OK to start talking about it. Bob, who before wanted nothing to do with speaking about it any longer, let alone do so publicly, suddenly is showing up again. To me it appears Bob still is working toward the agenda for the same man he thought he stopped working for. I suppose this could be knowingly since Bob is pretty smart and to fool him would be difficult. So one wonders though if a major highly skilled effort on the part of a government set up had been run and Bob was played>. I think they upscaled their game at the deep state and Bob is another story for the Mirage Men. Something everyone reading this thread should pull up from the archive here and watch.

[Praxis]

Can Mods please merge this Bob thread with the Other bob thread so it is all in place?

[ichingcarpenter]

I thought I'd place this here vs on the Dolan thread

Richard Dolan Interviews Jeremy Corbell on Bob Lazar Documentary (11/24/2018)

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I wanted Dolan's take on the Bob Lazar story. I realize that Corbell is promoting his documentary which might diminish it a bit
Dolan is a believer because of Lazar's consistences and non promotion over the years.

[ichingcarpenter]

George Knapp Presentation in Copenhagen 2014

Bob Lazar and Area 51 One hour 20mins includes some videos and visuals
Welll worth the time on his history and investigations of the Bob Lazar story

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The candle story in in this where George previously interviews Bob plus the cloud chamber story around 100 mins he talks about Bob's tech on what he saw and experienced

[Intranuclear]

It is kind of weird and enlightening to watch all these videos in a non-linear fashion.
I feel like I am doing remote viewing. In a sense, linear time ceases to exists.

Dismissing Bob's story is akin to a worm who has lived in a walnut all of its life insisting that there is nothing outside, and in a funny way, the worm is correct as long as it stays inside.
Then another worm believing that there is more, peeks outside the walnut and while amazed for a few seconds, gets picked off by the first bird that sees it. :)

Ultimately those who believe in infinite possibilities to existence take the chance of an early exit.
Those staying behind and singing la la la, "know" that everything in life is known and sneer at those who peek outside.

People like to rip apart Bob's story without realizing that in order to describe what is not in the current language, one has to use existing words with their limited definitions thus guaranteeing misunderstanding.
Its all OK though as those humans who can go forward will, and those who think humanity has peaked will stay, and others will go back being disgusted by what they have seen so far.

[waree]

Joe Rogan talked about his podcast with Bob Lazar.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMXODhSA_rs

[Ratszinger]

It is kind of weird and enlightening to watch all these videos in a non-linear fashion.
I feel like I am doing remote viewing. In a sense, linear time ceases to exists.

Dismissing Bob's story is akin to a worm who has lived in a walnut all of its life insisting that there is nothing outside, and in a funny way, the worm is correct as long as it stays inside.
Then another worm believing that there is more, peeks outside the walnut and while amazed for a few seconds, gets picked off by the first bird that sees it. :)

Ultimately those who believe in infinite possibilities to existence take the chance of an early exit.
Those staying behind and singing la la la, "know" that everything in life is known and sneer at those who peek outside.

People like to rip apart Bob's story without realizing that in order to describe what is not in the current language, one has to use existing words with their limited definitions thus guaranteeing misunderstanding.
Its all OK though as those humans who can go forward will, and those who think humanity has peaked will stay, and others will go back being disgusted by what they have seen so far.

Its so interesting that no matter how you feel about it you have to investigate it. You can't just dismiss it off hand. The technological questions and biology questions are just too many to let go of off hand. I mean there are too many things that strike one as real to just let it go but we at the same have to recognize there is a lot we don't know and probably never will know.
Are we being visited by alien life? Perhaps we are being visited or examined by a life yes but I doubt seriously if what we are witnessing here is biological. Most bio life is directly locked to their planetary system. I mean we are locked for example as far as I can tell, which in my opinion is why the NASA and other space agencies are looking into robotics more. It's likely these grays are drones or droids whatever are artificial life that was manufactured.
If the aliens that created them are also locked to their planet as we are they'd have to use artificial life to send that out to explore the universe just like we're going to have to do until we find some way to fool the body into thinking it's still here on earth.

Why? I don't understand the 'atmosphere' created by these ships but I take it that when turned on they created a field that is a separate sealed away atmosphere isolated from this one to where you are now functioning within the frequencies generated by the ship and you can apparently control the rate of aging or how fast or slow time moves I guess? Anyway in the artificial time bubble it has created right you are sealed away from the influences of inertia, and the frequencies of other planets and such apparently even able to zip in and out of water without any slow down?

So the effects of the time bubble of the earth are not affecting you any longer because you are sealed off from them but only when in the space ship and when it's running.
So unless you've incorporated the frequencies needed to regulate your own bodies in your suits on planets you visit you are pretty much stuck to the ship while in your own self created atmosphere as long as the ship is turned on.
And I guess well I guess you can stay there forever because your body doesn't know it's not on the planet it was born on if you can mimic the frequencies of your home planet right?
So your body systems and biorhythms don't get disrupted. But what if that isn't the case. What if they can't duplicate those frequencies that regulate their bodies but all they have done is sealed themselves off from any influences?
Then they are stuck in an environment they can only be in for short lengths of time. So long term space travel is not possible and they end up having to send out artificial life right? Just like us right?
Where is this going? Women have a 28 day cycle on earth. Its regulated by the sun and moon frequencies and men have a 33 day average cycle regulated by the same heavenly bodies and if we go away from those regulators studies show women's menstrual cycles become erratic and then in time stop completely and then the woman becomes mentally and emotionally unstable. So how exactly do you move to another planet when your body reproduction systems are directly tied to the sun and moon frequencies of here?

So we need these frequencies of the heavenly bodies we're born into to regulate our bodies. No way we're going out there in the deep space without a duplicate frequency system to fool the body into thinking it's still on earth? Follow? If we try the women will be going bat crazy about the time you round Pluto and probably the men too.

We can't leave our regulating bodies anymore than an alien life can because we're all locked into the frequency regulating systems we were born into. Without them we can't reproduce! Does NASA have advanced cloning or reproduction skills? I don't think so and doubtful to me the aliens are anything other than artificial so either aliens have some advanced methods for reproducing or when they kill a world they lived on and have to move they have no choice but to infiltrate the society they find by hybridizing themselves into the existing beings because they can't just move in the way they are not being able to adapt to the new frequencies of the new planet and sun and moons.

So they adapt by mixing themselves with a host species just like we read about in ancient lit from Sumeria telling us they did to us and just like abuductees say is being done currently where they are mixing their kind into ours walking among us. They are all adapted to another frequency system and the only way they can move here is to introduce body system cells and tissues that are from the area they wish to move to. So that would explain the breeding program of them adapting themselves to us by melding with us. They can't just move here from their planet because our sun and moon frequencies are foreign to them. Anyway, early morning ramblings here but this to me is the main obstacle keeping us permanently locked to this planet. Even if the world was dying and we have the ability to leave the earth toward another planet we'd never make it one the regulators are gone. We're all regulated by the sun and moon and heavens I doubt seriously if it's any different for aliens.

[Did You See Them]

Quoting Ratszinger:

"People like to rip apart Bob's story without realizing that in order to describe what is not in the current language, one has to use existing words with their limited definitions thus guaranteeing misunderstanding."

Brings to mind "Moses and the burning bush" - A burning Bush ?

How would people of Moses's time describe a "red glowing sphere" on the ground in front of them with the voice of "God" emanating from it ?
They could not describe such things as "Lights" in the sky - Lights are a modern word - the only thing that gave light then was fire and the sun !

[Mike]

i watched the netflix show on Bob, and bits and pieces of the Rogan podcast, and I walked away pretty convinced that he's telling the truth as he knows it.

for years he's been hiding from the whole thing; it clearly makes him uncomfortable. he never exploited it with tv shows ,conferences, books, talk shows, you name it. he's only just coming out of the woodwork now with the encouragement of Jeremy Corbell (and George Knapp, who broke the Bob story way back when)

as he frequently points out, all it's really done is cause him grief!

also, all those FBI raids on his new facility are quite telling

[ulli]

Bob Lazar has always been on my list of credible whistle blowers, ever since his first appearance years ago.
Together with Dan Sherman, (Beyond Black) Col. Philip Corso ( the Day After Roswell) and Ingo Swann (Penetration) .

[Ratszinger]

Quoting Ratszinger:

"People like to rip apart Bob's story without realizing that in order to describe what is not in the current language, one has to use existing words with their limited definitions thus guaranteeing misunderstanding."

Brings to mind "Moses and the burning bush" - A burning Bush ?

How would people of Moses's time describe a "red glowing sphere" on the ground in front of them with the voice of "God" emanating from it ?
They could not describe such things as "Lights" in the sky - Lights are a modern word - the only thing that gave light then was fire and the sun !

For the record "RATSZINGER did not say what you have quoted. You are in err. Just FYI

[Rhah]

I have also just watched the Netflix documentary, and considering the fact that it was allowed on Netflix (arguable the largest disseminator of propaganda today), and considering the fact that Bob Lazar was soon after invited on Joe Rogan's podcast (arguably the most prominent figure for culture creation and influencing we have seen in recent years, and who is backed by some very nefarious interests, as is irrefutably proven in the below expose) proves to me that none of this can actually be in our best interest.
That is not to say that I think that Bob has not been telling the truth all of these years - he very well could have been, I don't know. But the fact that he is suddenly now being offered such mainstream exposure, attention and promotion after decades of ridicule, makes me think that clearly some people - people who, by definition, do not have our best interests at heart - are desperate for us (and especially the youth, considering the target audiences of both Netflix and Joe Rogan) to be convinced of the veracity of Bob's story and thus of the existence of extraterrestrial life. To what end? That could be debated. But considering that this is brought to us by Netflix and Joe Rogan, I think that we can say for sure that it is most certainly not for the betterment of mankind.

What especially rubbed me the wrong way was how the documentary immediately started off by entertaining the idea of life merely being a mental construct with all of us just creating our own truths. If we all create our own truth and if life is just a mental construct, then that would mean that there is no such thing as objective truth (for truth would be relative). But if that's the case, then how could the idea of life being a mental construct be true? We just concluded that there is no such thing as objective truth, so the idea that we all create our own truth can therefore also not be true. And this is exactly that inherently self-refuting ideology that I see propagated so often nowadays which can only lead to moral relativism (if there's no such thing as objective truth, then there can also be no objective good and evil), a Crowleyan "Do what thou wilt" mentality, and eventually just pure nihilism. Because how can life have any meaning if truth does not exist and it's all just a figment of our imagination?

These are some of the reasons for why I am personally of the opinion that Bob's story is being (ab)used for negative ends.

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[diteras]

I believe that Mr Lazar believes he saw something and I believe he did something - the question is what agenda and who's reality version does his truthful account verify? - I felt my heart sink a little when he was on stage in a pseudo infotainment event...I would never have put Bob in the same bus tour as Elizondo and TTSA operations -but there he was - punching tickets and comparing 'trainers and tatts' with the best of them. A real lad-ish jolly night. Something not right about that picture- or maybe.......were the red boots giving us a subliminal warning - telling us that he was taking the cash but not to take it seriously folks ...a red flag from the feet?

[Jad]

One thing I learned is that the “controllers” disclose only what they deem irrelevant and obsolete to them. Now that they have the tech in place to monitor and control ( voice to skull tech is one example, influencing people’s mood and thoughts through electronic means is another) the masses, they feel that it is safe to start telling us about all this stuff because they already have the infrastructure and experience to control the narrative and all of its consequences on us. In fact I am sure that they already ran all these disclosure scenarios on their super quantum computers and that we are on the “optimal” course now.

[Intranuclear]

The logical problem with "controllers" running the show assumes that there is nothing above them, or other ETs or future beings changing the equation.
If you think about it, it takes infinite amount of energy to control every mind and every action.
I think even God does not control everything in his sim world (the one we live in).
Even if one thinks that one is living in a sim, then the sim must have been created to study or model a larger existence it is trying to simulate.
So if we are in a sim, each entity (human, ET, bug, planet) evolves with the set of rules supplied by the sim.
To keep an ever increasing population healthy and productive, at least the basic needs must be met, or else the controllers lose power.
All kinds of solar activities, cosmic events, meteors, comets, randomness of war, and nearly infinite other things would need to be controlled and pre-simulated to be able to predict or direct a desired outcome.

Having said all that, it does not mean that some extraordinarily limited but rich and powerful individuals with infinite arrogance and ZERO conscience don't play games with us, but to think of them as "controllers" would be a stretch at the very best.
Even they get old and die (presumably).

Also, a quantum computer to be able to predict or run everything in our universe/sim would have to be larger that our universe/sim as our universe/sim is already a quantum based system and all that entails.

Whatever power we have is not at the voting booth, but in our pockets. Vote with your pocket.
PS. Pocket is defined as all the resources and actions at your disposal.

[ExomatrixTV]

Does Body Language Prove Bob Lazar Actually Worked On Alien Spacecraft At Area 51?
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Very well done video! :thumbsup: :thumb: :pop2: :hail: :clapping:

[anon]

Bumped into this today...
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/18233/f-117-program-used-these-futuristic-hand-scanners-while-highly-classified-in-the-80s

It's the id system Bob was going on about to get to the spaceships

[aoibhghaire]

Bob Lazar statement analysis revealed:

Although his later last two years body language does show that Bob Lazar may have worked on alien spacecraft at Area 51. Many important UFO researchers have been on the fence as to his truth.

However, his various earlier interviews, not the recent ones in the last two years, would be closer to when the events that were announced back in the late 1980s. A statement analysis was carried out on the earlier interviews when he had just made the announcement (1989) and when interviewed for the first time. An earlier interview of this kind would be much closer to when the events that took place in his claim that he was at area 51 and S4.

https://www.richplanet.net/news.php

Richard Hall of Rich Planet virtual May tour announced the Bob Lazar statement analysis. This information was just to people who had purchased tickets for the virtual tour. I have seen the statement analysis and I am sharing the conclusion here. The Lazar part is a 30 mins one of a 3 hour virtual tour video. In order to avoid any copyright problems and in particular the tour which is not finished yet for public purchasing I’ll share the conclusion. I have given the details below who did the statement analysis. I understand the virtual tour video will be available free later in the year.

Statement analysis depends entirely upon analysing written or verbal statements. The basic premise is that the structure and content of a subject's statement will reveal when there is an attempt at deception. Statement analysis is the science of seeing deception in language. It can be 100% accurate, exposing both deception and motive.

Hyattanalysis carried out the statement analysis on Bob Lazar. https://www.hyattanalysis.com/

Statement analysis shows that Bob Lazar has been deceptive in the majority of his statements. In conclusion according to Hyattanalysis the whole story was a deception.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Interesting, but not definitive (for me). It's an individual's interpretation, based on a not_an_exact_science as a guide. I don't believe it's any more foolproof than a polygraph. Many pass polygraph tests who end up proven guilty, and many fail them who end up cleared. It's why they're merely a tool for investigators, and not admissible in court.

Personally, speaking my own opinion here, I still believe Lazar's story holds up very well, and has a ton of validity.

[AutumnW]

Ufos are real but the entire Lazar story, like Project Serpo, could be part of a huge military deception. If that's the case, it may be an attempt to convince the Russians and now the Chinese that the U.S is in possession of exotic weaponry based on back engineered alien tech.

Why isn't Lazar in jail? How was he able to tell his tale in the first place?

[Builder]

Talking about current body language analysis, here is one:

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[Did You See Them]

Ufos are real but the entire Lazar story, like Project Serpo, could be part of a huge military deception. If that's the case, it may be an attempt to convince the Russians and now the Chinese that the U.S is in possession of exotic weaponry based on back engineered alien tech.

Why isn't Lazar in jail? How was he able to tell his tale in the first place?

If that is the case (Duping another State Nation ) then there must be plenty of known factual information contained within such "stories" as to lend credence to the disinformation being seeded. There has to be an element of truth that these nation states all know - i.e "They" are REAL, but the amount of interaction and collaboration is the unknown.

[Le Chat]

I would be really saddened if it turned out/proved that he was being deceptive.

[Did You See Them]

I would be really saddened if it turned out/proved that he was being deceptive.

If anything I think he may be misdirecting within the confines of the truth - "gravity amplifiers" and "triangular slabs of element 115 as a power source may well in reality turn out to be a lump of granite and a piezoelectric spark for all we know.

[Sunny-side-up]

Talking about current body language analysis, here is one:

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Hi builder :)
I was enjoying the vid you posted, finding it very interesting until:
I noticed the use of subliminal imagery?
At vid points:
33:50
33:55
33:57
Quick flash Image of 'JAWS' the movie was used, the image of the giant shark coming up under a swimmer.
Then at vid point:
33:59
the sound track from the movie was used?
This sound track was added again and again getting louder.
Thing is I do not like or condone subliminal trickery.
Why was it used in this vid?

[aoibhghaire]

There has been a lot of collaboration with the Lazar story. In particular, George Knapp’s extensive investigations with 25 individuals that collaborated his story. On that basis and much more show that his claims may be true.

[Sunny-side-up]

Hi aoibhghaire I believe him.

What do you make of the subliminal trickery in that posted vid?
I know it nothing to do directly with Mr Lazar, but why did the maker of the vid use it?

[Le Chat]

This sound track was added again and again getting louder.
Thing is I do not like or condone subliminal trickery.
Why was it used in this vid?

Well spotted!

I don't condone subliminal trickery either.
Seems obvious to me that this so-called expert was using it to bolster his feeble argument and maybe has a personal crusade against BL?

[Sunny-side-up]

This sound track was added again and again getting louder.
Thing is I do not like or condone subliminal trickery.
Why was it used in this vid?

Well spotted!

I don't condone subliminal trickery either.
Seems obvious to me that this so-called expert was using it to bolster his feeble argument and maybe has a personal crusade against BL?

Hi Le Chat.

I'm confused, once again someone seems to read that vid as a negative towards Mr lazar?
At the end of the vid the so called expert says 'I believe Bob Lazar'
can some one help me out here? is that a positive towards Bob lazar or a negative?

[Builder]

This sound track was added again and again getting louder.
Thing is I do not like or condone subliminal trickery.
Why was it used in this vid?

In my opinion this is hardly subliminal, but rather completely obvious that the editor had some some fun with inserting those effects.

I was surprised by the first flash, but then at the second one together with the jaws music it was clear what he was going for.

[Builder]

Seems obvious to me that this so-called expert was using it to bolster his feeble argument and maybe has a personal crusade against BL?

You have not watched the complete video. He makes it very clear that he doesn't care about UFOs and if BL is saying the truth. He did BL because it was a highly requested Joe Rogan episode. I also haven't seen any other videos of him about UFOs or BL.

[Le Chat]

This sound track was added again and again getting louder.
Thing is I do not like or condone subliminal trickery.
Why was it used in this vid?

Well spotted!

I don't condone subliminal trickery either.
Seems obvious to me that this so-called expert was using it to bolster his feeble argument and maybe has a personal crusade against BL?

Hi Le Chat.

I'm confused, once again someone seems to read that vid as a negative towards Mr lazar?
At the end of the vid the so called expert says 'I believe Bob Lazar'
can some one help me out here? is that a positive towards Bob lazar or a negative?

"There's a high probability this guy is lying"

"There is a high probability this guy is telling the truth..."

"Hope you find it fair in balance..."

:frusty:

[palehorse]

Talking about current body language analysis, here is one:

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This video seem like he is trying to brain wash viewers. All those repetitions, images and music :clapping:
They always can brain wash people to believe or not to believe in something.
I am out thanks.

Here is the image by the way
https://i.imgur.com/IcFDTvU.png