ROMAN has left...

[Tony]

Another Avalonian leaves = ROMAN.

I am so sad at his leaving, such a brilliant knowledgeable mind, and kind hearted person.
All he wanted was to pull people together, to work together.

People, we must be more careful how we respond to one another!
Remember, there are no enemies here.

Kind regards,
Tony...friend of Roman.

[Eagle]

Been there done that, I hope it was of his own accord.

[Calz]

Those who leave based on an emotional response will often come back upon reflection.

Roman has some deep roots here and more friends than Tony :)

Come back soon Roman ... you know you are always very very :welcome: and appreciated here!!!

[learninglight]

Tony if you can get him back it would be great, i find his input here brilliant and he will be much missed by me

I was just looking at the last thread he was on and i can't see any bad attitude to anyone in the thread, maybe he picked up on something i didn't see

Awwww gutted here, another one bites the dust :(

much love

[Sebastion]

I am also truly saddened that Roman has chosen to leave this forum!

[Lisab]

This news has made me feel very,very sad. Roman has been a huge part of my awakening, ive learnt so much from him or at least slowly "getting it". If your reading this Roman please come back, your like a link in the golden chain of Avalon, a really important link. Much love to you and thankyou Lisa B. x

[Ammit]

Roman inspired me to research more on what I read, I will miss his valued threads and down to earth replies.

I wish Roman all the very best on his future travels with my blessings.

Ammit

[Fred Steeves]

I doubt very seriously I'm the only one here sensing this lately. The "air" is so chock full of tension you could almost cut it with a knife. We all need to be extremely mindful to not only avoid offending, but to not take offense. Easier said than done, but important to keep in mind.:)

Cheers,
Fred

[Eric J (Viking)]

Well if your reading this Roman...dont be silly and come back!

viking

[Gardener]

Pie said
All he wanted was to pull people together, to work together.

The collective force for good will always be attacked, sad, and hoping he will return. Guys if you are feeling like leaving just sit with it, take a break, dig the garden, scrub the floor, reflect. Avalon as an entity has suffered so many divisive blows, keep the force flowing, the vision, and heartfelt knowing.

g

[Muzz]

Sad news, his posts were very thought provoking. Hope he comes back.
Muzz

[Eagle]

Pie said
All he wanted was to pull people together, to work together.

The collective force for good will always be attacked, sad, and hoping he will return. Guys if you are feeling like leaving just sit with it, take a break, dig the garden, scrub the floor, reflect. Avalon as an entity has suffered so many divisive blows, keep the force flowing, the vision, and heartfelt knowing.

g

Just make sure that the force is not created from the inside.

[Lord Sidious]

I would appreciate him coming back.
We need as many quality members as possible and not to lose anymore.
When you see this Roman, you are wanted back.
Lucky I can't enter the UK, I already have a few sources of organic carrots.
Ya nugget.

[Calz]

Lucky I can't enter the UK, I already have a few sources of organic carrots.
Ya nugget.

Well if *that* doesn't do the trick ... what will??? :noidea:

:grouphug: for Roman!!!

(and a few of his faithful fans) :fans:

[Carolin]

In my opinion Project Avalon has been a hostile environment lately. Diverse opinions are to be expected and certainly encouraged...it promotes growth. In face to face conversations I won't tolerate being disrespected or attacked if my opinion differs. Why would I tolerate it here? Sorry to see Roman leave because of it but I've been tempted too.

[Tony]

I spoke to him today.
He came to the realisation that there is no proof on the forum, nor could there be.

I hope he changes his mind at some time to continue writing here.

[Davidallany]

What happens when people fall asleep? They dream or have nightmares, right? Too much physical is equal to too little spiritual. With too little spiritual the five senses become the primary input/output, this brings dissatisfaction, boredom, agitation and ill will. This may be very vague to younger members than to older ones, I think some seasoned members have noticed the culminating disturbance in the force and kind of withdrew to safety zone mainly as observers, those members who didn't withdraw for whatever reason are much more subjected to all kind of energies, and if they become overpowered by those energies, a temporary sleep state can takeover and the ego is triggered.
Is it worth it for those awakened to leave the comfort of that state and come down trying to rescue others? I think depending on where a person is on the path would be the determining factor, if one is sure and have enough strength then yes, but if one is new to this, then perhaps it's good to gather more energy before taking on too many cases needing energy.

[risveglio]

Roman deleted the initial "its all nonsense" posts. Does anyone know if they were quoted? I am going to look again but did not see them.

[Calz]

Roman deleted the initial "its all nonsense" posts. Does anyone know if they were quoted? I am going to look again but did not see them.

If true (if) then that would be a real tragedy. Burning of treasured books comes to mind. Library at Alexandria kinda stuff.

[Corncrake]

I am so sorry Roman has left. I feel bad about not responding personally to more of his posts - just hitting the 'thank you' button instead. I found his writings inspirational and benefited from them. His posts were 'spiritual' and yet 'down to earth' which suited me very well. I will echo what has been said many times before that sadly we have lost and still miss so many clever informative members - thankfully more keep arriving! I take ages to compose a post because I am so worried about unwittingly upsetting someone - it is so easy to do this when replying or posting in a hurry. I have been disturbed by some of the things I have read here but usually take some time out and then come back and find myself drawn in again. Hopefully you will too Roman.

[Tony]

It's good to remember what Roman (s) did for us!

ExWfh6sGyso

[Fred Steeves]

Roman deleted the initial "its all nonsense" posts. Does anyone know if they were quoted? I am going to look again but did not see them.

Yep, I checked, they're both gone. This is a shame. I was priviledged to have taken part in both of them, too bad those in the future will not be. Roman, as a free thinking and mature adult, if you so choose to leave the forum, we're sorry to see you go, but o.k. I fail however to understand why you've chosen to take the wisdom you so generously shared with us along with you. This is very disappointing, I hope you re-consider.

[Lord Sidious]

What happens when people fall asleep? They dream or have nightmares, right? Too much physical is equal to too little spiritual. With too little spiritual the five senses become the primary input/output, this brings dissatisfaction, boredom, agitation and ill will. This may be very vague to younger members than to older ones, I think some seasoned members have noticed the culminating disturbance in the force and kind of withdrew to safety zone mainly as observers, those members who didn't withdraw for whatever reason are much more subjected to all kind of energies, and if they become overpowered by those energies, a temporary sleep state can takeover and the ego is triggered.
Is it worth it for those awakened to leave the comfort of that state and come down trying to rescue others? I think depending on where a person is on the path would be the determining factor, if one is sure and have enough strength then yes, but if one is new to this, then perhaps it's good to gather more energy before taking on too many cases needing energy.

The energies around right now aren't so good.
I have been getting a battering, even though I am making progress, I still get hit with the energy tsunami.
And after having another one of those days, culminating in a decision to never participate in workshops in this loonybin known as Australia, the last thing I needed was to come on here and find a valuable member having the same feelings as me.

[Eagle]

What happens when people fall asleep? They dream or have nightmares, right? Too much physical is equal to too little spiritual. With too little spiritual the five senses become the primary input/output, this brings dissatisfaction, boredom, agitation and ill will. This may be very vague to younger members than to older ones, I think some seasoned members have noticed the culminating disturbance in the force and kind of withdrew to safety zone mainly as observers, those members who didn't withdraw for whatever reason are much more subjected to all kind of energies, and if they become overpowered by those energies, a temporary sleep state can takeover and the ego is triggered.
Is it worth it for those awakened to leave the comfort of that state and come down trying to rescue others? I think depending on where a person is on the path would be the determining factor, if one is sure and have enough strength then yes, but if one is new to this, then perhaps it's good to gather more energy before taking on too many cases needing energy.

The energies around right now aren't so good.
I have been getting a battering, even though I am making progress, I still get hit with the energy tsunami.
And after having another one of those days, culminating in a decision to never participate in workshops in this loonybin known as Australia, the last thing I needed was to come on here and find a valuable member having the same feelings as me.

It is happening for a reasonLord and you know why as well as I do

[Davidallany]

How did Roman feel when he left Avalon?

WxS0kiUX6p0

[Lord Sidious]

What happens when people fall asleep? They dream or have nightmares, right? Too much physical is equal to too little spiritual. With too little spiritual the five senses become the primary input/output, this brings dissatisfaction, boredom, agitation and ill will. This may be very vague to younger members than to older ones, I think some seasoned members have noticed the culminating disturbance in the force and kind of withdrew to safety zone mainly as observers, those members who didn't withdraw for whatever reason are much more subjected to all kind of energies, and if they become overpowered by those energies, a temporary sleep state can takeover and the ego is triggered.
Is it worth it for those awakened to leave the comfort of that state and come down trying to rescue others? I think depending on where a person is on the path would be the determining factor, if one is sure and have enough strength then yes, but if one is new to this, then perhaps it's good to gather more energy before taking on too many cases needing energy.

The energies around right now aren't so good.
I have been getting a battering, even though I am making progress, I still get hit with the energy tsunami.
And after having another one of those days, culminating in a decision to never participate in workshops in this loonybin known as Australia, the last thing I needed was to come on here and find a valuable member having the same feelings as me.

It is happening for a reasonLord and you know why as well as I do

Other than the fact that I am stupid, you mean?

[Eagle]

What happens when people fall asleep? They dream or have nightmares, right? Too much physical is equal to too little spiritual. With too little spiritual the five senses become the primary input/output, this brings dissatisfaction, boredom, agitation and ill will. This may be very vague to younger members than to older ones, I think some seasoned members have noticed the culminating disturbance in the force and kind of withdrew to safety zone mainly as observers, those members who didn't withdraw for whatever reason are much more subjected to all kind of energies, and if they become overpowered by those energies, a temporary sleep state can takeover and the ego is triggered.
Is it worth it for those awakened to leave the comfort of that state and come down trying to rescue others? I think depending on where a person is on the path would be the determining factor, if one is sure and have enough strength then yes, but if one is new to this, then perhaps it's good to gather more energy before taking on too many cases needing energy.

The energies around right now aren't so good.
I have been getting a battering, even though I am making progress, I still get hit with the energy tsunami.
And after having another one of those days, culminating in a decision to never participate in workshops in this loonybin known as Australia, the last thing I needed was to come on here and find a valuable member having the same feelings as me.

It is happening for a reasonLord and you know why as well as I do

Other than the fact that I am stupid, you mean?

Far from it my freind, If anything you realize the significance of disinformation and counter intell and you recognize when it is being used.

[Davidallany]

Other than the fact that I am stupid, you mean?
The Lord is anything but that. He is Dark, he is dangerous he is Sith. The Sith are known for their cunning and intelligence.

[seko]

Roman is great, he'll be back. We need some time off once on a while.

May be he needs to be an observer like many of us here.

Anyway, it's all nonsense and we need to be together still. So lets be friends and not take things personal otherwise your EGO will take decisions for you.

[Ineffable Hitchhiker]

I am so sorry Roman has left. I feel bad about not responding personally to more of his posts - just hitting the 'thank you' button instead. I found his writings inspirational and benefited from them. His posts were 'spiritual' and yet 'down to earth' which suited me very well. I will echo what has been said many times before that sadly we have lost and still miss so many clever informative members - thankfully more keep arriving! I take ages to compose a post because I am so worried about unwittingly upsetting someone - it is so easy to do this when replying or posting in a hurry. I have been disturbed by some of the things I have read here but usually take some time out and then come back and find myself drawn in again. Hopefully you will too Roman.


Great post Corncrake.
My thoughts exactly.

I too hope that Roman reconsiders his decision.

Let us not also forget Tony´s appeal in the OP...







People, we must be more careful how we respond to one another!
Remember, there are no enemies here.

[Tony]

This exactly how it all started!

TFMpySg_UrM

[risveglio]

Roman deleted the initial "its all nonsense" posts. Does anyone know if they were quoted? I am going to look again but did not see them.

Yep, I checked, they're both gone. This is a shame. I was priviledged to have taken part in both of them, too bad those in the future will not be. Roman, as a free thinking and mature adult, if you so choose to leave the forum, we're sorry to see you go, but o.k. I fail however to understand why you've chosen to take the wisdom you so generously shared with us along with you. This is very disappointing, I hope you re-consider.

Anchor said in this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32896-MANIFESTING-IN-THE-MATRIX-its-all-nonsense-part-2&p=335997&viewfull=1#post335997) that he was going to print them out. Maybe he could post them back up. I am sure I am not the only one that was quietly following. Please re-consider Roman. No proof is a poor excuse. It's impossible to prove nonsense.

[Calz]

Roman deleted the initial "its all nonsense" posts. Does anyone know if they were quoted? I am going to look again but did not see them.

Yep, I checked, they're both gone. This is a shame. I was priviledged to have taken part in both of them, too bad those in the future will not be. Roman, as a free thinking and mature adult, if you so choose to leave the forum, we're sorry to see you go, but o.k. I fail however to understand why you've chosen to take the wisdom you so generously shared with us along with you. This is very disappointing, I hope you re-consider.

Anchor said in this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32896-MANIFESTING-IN-THE-MATRIX-its-all-nonsense-part-2&p=335997&viewfull=1#post335997) that he was going to print them out. Maybe he could post them back up. I am sure I am not the only one that was quietly following. Please re-consider Roman. No proof is a poor excuse. It's impossible to prove nonsense.

"Posting them back up" would not only take a mammoth effort it would be disrespectful to Roman if his desires hold.

I have no idea of "backup procedures" for the forum ... but I would venture to guess that ***IF*** Roman had a change of heart and wished to restore his threads/posts then perhaps it would be possible???

Regardless ... a good example of nothing lasting forever. Something to consider in the coming days ...

Cal

[Lord Sidious]

Far from it my freind, If anything you realize the significance of disinformation and counter intell and you recognize when it is being used.



Other than the fact that I am stupid, you mean?
The Lord is anything but that. He is Dark, he is dangerous he is Sith. The Sith are known for their cunning and intelligence.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MT3CihStFQ

I am trying hard not to do a roman too.
I should have known not to listen to people who promised to help out.
Many, many talkers, very few walkers.
And I am tired, real tired of sitting around watching everything turn to crap.
Most people like it turning to crap, otherwise they would do something and if they don't know what to do, you would think they would work with those who do.
But no, that requires effort.
Far easier to hide behind the keyboard and talk big.




Anchor said in this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32896-MANIFESTING-IN-THE-MATRIX-its-all-nonsense-part-2&p=335997&viewfull=1#post335997) that he was going to print them out. Maybe he could post them back up. I am sure I am not the only one that was quietly following. Please re-consider Roman. No proof is a poor excuse. It's impossible to prove nonsense.

Don't panic, the staff may be able to restore them from back ups.
I have already reported a post here with that suggestion.

[Calz]

I am trying hard not to do a roman too.
I should have known not to listen to people who promised to help out.
Many, many talkers, very few walkers.
And I am tired, real tired of sitting around watching everything turn to crap.
Most people like it turning to crap, otherwise they would do something and if they don't know what to do, you would think they would work with those who do.
But no, that requires effort.
Far easier to hide behind the keyboard and talk big.



Not to go off-topic ... but let us turn what seems to be a "negative" into a "postive".

You cancelled your "gathering" and alluded to a possible "alternative" coming perhaps this month.

Tell us what constitutes becoming a "walker"???

Many have monetary restraints on world travel. What can we do??? Can we make a monetary commitment for you putting together something that can be distributed worldwide???

Perhaps something of that nature is what it would take to be useful???


Anyway ... please don't leave (again). You are the glue Rob.

Cal

[Lord Sidious]

I am trying hard not to do a roman too.
I should have known not to listen to people who promised to help out.
Many, many talkers, very few walkers.
And I am tired, real tired of sitting around watching everything turn to crap.
Most people like it turning to crap, otherwise they would do something and if they don't know what to do, you would think they would work with those who do.
But no, that requires effort.
Far easier to hide behind the keyboard and talk big.



Not to go off-topic ... but let us turn what seems to be a "negative" into a "postive".

You cancelled your "gathering" and alluded to a possible "alternative" coming perhaps this month.

Tell us what constitutes becoming a "walker"???

Many have monetary restraints on world travel. What can we do??? Can we make a monetary commitment for you putting together something that can be distributed worldwide???

Perhaps something of that nature is what it would take to be useful???


Anyway ... please don't leave (again). You are the glue Rob.

Cal

I was going to do something, so that it could be recorded for a dvd.
That is now history and so is that project.
I don't want anyones money, but I appreciate the offer.
As this point, I am not interested in doing anything in australia.
Otherwise, I might end up a mass murderer.

[Amysenthia]

Has anyone besides myself notice that some recent members seem to post specifically in a confrontational manner. I have been visiting this forum since its inception but only decided to use a quote, "sign my name on the dotted line", earlier this year. I believe this site is beginning to be infiltrated by the disinfo people who purposely engage in negative posts to positive messages to damage those tender soles such as Roman. Thankfully my skin is thick enough that no matter what someone posts to one of my comments You will not make me leave, but others are not. When they share a message they must be responded to as you would if they were sitting in front of you. I respect everyone's opinions here. Even if one does not agree with another opinion it is time to that we all learn to respond with "I respectfully disagree", and maybe give some source material for that reason. IMO there is no room for personal type attacks with disparaging remarks on this forum.

[Eagle]

Has anyone besides myself notice that some recent members seem to post specifically in a confrontational manner. I have been visiting this forum since its inception but only decided to use a quote, "sign my name on the dotted line", earlier this year. I believe this site is beginning to be infiltrated by the disinfo people who purposely engage in negative posts to positive messages to damage those tender soles such as Roman. Thankfully my skin is thick enough that no matter what someone posts to one of my comments You will not make me leave, but others are not. When they share a message they must be responded to as you would if they were sitting in front of you. I respect everyone's opinions here. Even if one does not agree with another opinion it is time to that we all learn to respond with "I respectfully disagree", and maybe give some source material for that reason. IMO there is no room for personal type attacks with disparaging remarks on this forum.
Understand something, you can only tell a story for so long and if nobody is listening then why continue to tell the story. Especially when you know that its important for everyone

[Calz]

Otherwise, I might end up a mass murderer.

Save that energy for Enlil's faction (if, in fact, that is how it will all fall out).

The people of Oz, as with all others in human form *anywhere*, suffer from ... *humanity* and all the baggage that comes with it.

We are all attached and I *know* you *know* that (setting aside Roman's wish for "proof").

[Lord Sidious]

Otherwise, I might end up a mass murderer.

Save that energy for Enlil's faction (if, in fact, that is how it will all fall out).

The people of Oz, as with all others in human form *anywhere*, suffer from ... *humanity* and all the baggage that comes with it.

We are all attached and I *know* you *know* that (setting aside Roman's wish for "proof").

Guns are not as common here as in America.
Now you know why.
Too many nuggets neading lethal lead injections.
Smacking them won't help, you would just hurt your knuckles.

[Eagle]

Otherwise, I might end up a mass murderer.

Save that energy for Enlil's faction (if, in fact, that is how it will all fall out).

The people of Oz, as with all others in human form *anywhere*, suffer from ... *humanity* and all the baggage that comes with it.

We are all attached and I *know* you *know* that (setting aside Roman's wish for "proof").

Guns are not as common here as in America.
Now you know why.
Too many nuggets leading lethal lead injections.
Smacking them won't help, you would just hurt your knuckles.

Thats a good one can I quote you on that. LOL

[Lord Sidious]

Thats a good one can I quote you on that. LOL

It might cost ya though.

[Nani]

Roman, as you see you are much appreciated here. Please excuse my English.
I would like to tell you to look just what IS, so if some people act rude to you, realize that their attitud has NOTHING to do with you, is their perspective, their reality and their subsecuent creation, NOT YOURS, so don´t get into their bus, just let it pass and keep your track! Let the good vibe prevail.
Much love.
Nani

[Lifebringer]

You should tell Roman that people are shedding their negatives and sometimes he'll run into a few but just know they're changing and everyone is at their own pace. Some newbies are angry at the deciet and carry it over here at time, but we've all been there.
It's part of finding one's higher self. By removing the negative, it leaves room for new positive.

[Calz]

You should tell Roman that people are shedding their negatives and sometimes he'll run into a few but just know they're changing and everyone is at their own pace. Some newbies are angry at the deciet and carry it over here at time, but we've all been there.
It's part of finding one's higher self. By removing the negative, it leaves room for new positive.

Cannot speak for others ... but will go out on a limb and suggest Roman is very aware of which you speak :)

[Star1111]

Hello everyone
If Roman wants to move on then that is his choice and he doesn't have to explain to anyone I guess as to why, its all about choices, choices.
BUT................................
We still have each other and I think we need each other now more than ever.
We are a minority on this planet in terms of how we feel and behave I believe we should treasure each other
The negativity on the planet WILL change in time and there will be more enlightened beings (I really hope so) but this year in particular has been a very fractious and difficult year.

For me personally this has been THE worst year of my entire life (I won't go into the details) but needless to say there have been times when I REALLY wanted to 'get off'.

Meeting the vast majority of you has really helped me and made the path this year more bearable. I say vast majority because there will always be some that just want to argue, antagonate and fool around.
Finding you and having you all in my life has given me strength and I THANK YOU all for that, without you (and some more than others and you know who you are), it would have been a very horrible place

As always in life and wherever you go there will always be 'ONE' - leave 'em where Jesus flung 'em and don't let them get you down.

I believe things are going to get more positive very soon - you are all truly BEAUTIFUL!

MUCH LOVE to you all xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx........................... ........

[ThePythonicCow]

I spoke to him today.
He came to the realisation that there is no proof on the forum, nor could there be.

I hope he changes his mind at some time to continue writing here.

Thank-you, Pie'n'eal. Good work. I too hope he changes his mind.

[Tony]

I have spoken to Roman this afternoon.

I am just going to repeat what he said, but please don't be too psychoanalytical about it.
None of us want to feel judged at every possible opportunity.

He wrote two weighty posts, called “It is all Nonsense”. He said there is no reality or wisdom in them,
and that was all nonsense. He hoped people would engage in taking it apart or adding to it,
to get some sort of fed back, and not just thanks! He was disappointed that this did not happen.

I am asking not to be judgemental about his motives, as some of us would like him to come back,
to haunt us! He had actually written a part three “It's all Nonsense.” but deleted it all.
I've ask him to email the first two so we can have it on file. I'd also like to read No3.

Roman came to his conclusion outside any system, so that is why his findings are remarkable!
We chat on the phone, and it is marvellous to hear someone who is very open,
coming to their own conclusions, from what he has learnt.

Roman where else are you going to get so much love and affection?

[Tony]

ROMANWKT's two major posts Its all nonsense part1 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15834-Its-all-nonsense-part-1&p=168835&viewfull=1#post168835) and MANIFESTING IN THE MATRIX its all nonsense part 2 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32896-MANIFESTING-IN-THE-MATRIX-its-all-nonsense-part-2&p=335881&viewfull=1#post335881) have now been restored, in their original location.

[Fred Steeves]

Thank You Roman And Tony!

Cheers,
Fred

[Ruby L.]

Roman,

It swung both ways; you thanked people for their comments on your two, big threads, too.
Now, can we please put all this nonsense aside and have you back?

[Carmody]

I have spoken to Roman this afternoon.

I am just going to repeat what he said, but please don't be too psychoanalytical about it.
None of us want to feel judged at every possible opportunity.

He wrote two weighty posts, called “It is all Nonsense”. He said there is no reality or wisdom in them,
and that was all nonsense. He hoped people would engage in taking it apart or adding to it,
to get some sort of fed back, and not just thanks! He was disappointed that this did not happen.

I am asking not to be judgemental about his motives, as some of us would like him to come back,
to haunt us! He had actually written a part three “It's all Nonsense.” but deleted it all.
I've ask him to email the first two so we can have it on file. I'd also like to read No3.

Roman came to his conclusion outside any system, so that is why his findings are remarkable!
We chat on the phone, and it is marvellous to hear someone who is very open,
coming to their own conclusions, from what he has learnt.

Roman where else are you going to get so much love and affection?

If he said that all that was and is in those two posts, there is he wrong.

However, he is entitled to his opinion ans I would do nothing more than thank him for expressing it.

If he expected me to pick it apart, that's his job, not mine. If he expects me to supply answers for the parts I may believe are correct, I HAVE, all over this forum.

Every now and then people 'proselytize', and... well..who am I to look at those posts of his and argue with his truth?

To me, from an external view..outside of being him..to me..it was a case of allowing someone to say what they wanted to say and to not be negative. The end. Nothing more, nothing less.

When I attack people in judgment, I first lessen myself, then I attempt to lessen them. I (generally) have no desire to do either thing.

[kathymarie]

I am really saddened by his departure. I just went to the "It's all Nonsense. pt 1) post only to find it gone. The title alone was enough to pique my curiosity. Upon further reflection I hope you change your mind. Thanks Lord S and Calz...you made me smile. Today has been particularly trying...I won't bore with details because I know we all have these kind....but your humor is appreciated.

[christian]

Avalon is a beatiful place - one out of myriads. I know many great people, who have no interest whatsoever in joining this forum, because they are already busy doing other beautiful things. I have no worries, as people come and go.

[Eagle]

Honestly, my first time I read the threads I skimmed through it, this time I took another look. there is alot of information and alot of thought put into it. Roman understand one thing, you are asking people everywhere to stop believing in things that have been so ingrained and so deeply rooted its no wonder that they wouldnt take the time to actually go through it and come out the other end completely devastated. weather or not I beleive it all will take time for me, but I will tell you that what I have gained out of this is yet another sourse of knowledge I can apply/test and see if it works in my life. Alot of what I have learned so far is pointing in the direction that has been presented in those threads, which is both scary and exciting. Again it is alot to take in and alot to comprehend!

[Lisab]

An article from Sonia Barrett author of The Holographic Canvas.

Why speak with such authority about the nature of time followed by contradictions about one's mortality? This is a common way of thinking among many including our scientists. We live under primitive concepts and beliefs although we are making evolutionary leaps in technology and in our understanding of consciousness. The concept of time is a core component if we are to penetrate the world of matter by mastership of this science. In each of us the subject of health plays a significant role in reducing the density of the body in order to align and to travel with the expanding consciousness. However health must be addressed from perspectives beyond our oral intake of food. What we consume is ultimately not the deciding factor but rather the density of ones beliefs, perceptions and the model of reality constructed.

Our engrained perception of time and mortality limits the cycles of these physical bodies. The body expires most often from the density of thought forms, beliefs and perceptions interpreted as ill health or disease. There is also ancestral and bloodline density. Aging by deterioation is evidence of our view of time. To age doesnt have to mean decay but rather a less dense body cycling through the experience of the physical world with the ability to move in andout of this concept of time. This is the magic of ascending in understanding and in memory. Investing energy worrying about meeting timelines for ascension and for 2012 becomes just another matrix for the journey is fluid. We travel and meet our journey according to our expansiveness. 2012 marks the end of a great cosmic matrix cycle as it relates to this collective space.

There is indeed an impact on the consciousness of the planet as a new wave emerges bringing a new cycle of programs for the evolving planet. These cycles present us with a model of time for without the concept of time there would be no cycles. There is much that should be observed and questioned here. These cycles are simply a navigation system designed to change the direction of the game much like a multiple disk player. After each song is played it move to the next song until it completes a full cycle. You may hit reset play the same songs again or new songs which will also run through a cycle. However this emerging cycle does present an opportunity for a deeper awareness to emerge among the masses. This high voltage coming through can be used as a conduit. After all the new song being played is about an evolution in consciousness. Contrary to popular belief this is something that will occur on various levels for each being.

Must we be regulated by these cycles? This is a question that no one really asks at least not outwardly. To ask questions that are completely outside the scope of popularity by scientists as well as the general populace is to shake your own self out of this deep sleep. Common questions dont do the trick its the outrageous questions that zap you beyond the comfort zone of this cosmic game. This cosmic game might not necessarily be quite what we think it is....it almost never is!

[Lettherebelight]

That's interesting, Pie'n'eal. I thought Roman was in support of the treatise 'It's all nonsense'.

I felt that if that is what he believes, then he has every right to have faith in that. Hence, my non-participation in the thread. I will not contradict another fellow human's belief (unless it causes harm to others).

There is no proof to be found on the forum, perhaps that's true. But real proof (or Truth) will ring in the heart...and then it doesn't matter where it comes from...forum, charity shop, or wherever!

As they say 'The proof is in the pudding'...so keep on tasting them, Roman. The right sweet will find you soon!

(In the meantime, why don't you come back to Avalon, where we gather round this friendly bonfire?)

[apollo41]

yeah and? one comes and many go? dont be so dramatic he will be back in a different guise?
trust me..

[ThePythonicCow]

Another Avalonian leaves = ROMAN.


Roman deleted the initial "its all nonsense" posts.


If true (if) then that would be a real tragedy.


Don't panic, the staff may be able to restore them from back ups.


Yep, I checked, they're both gone.


I just went to the "It's all Nonsense. pt 1) post only to find it gone.

The two large posts of ROMANWKT, Its all nonsense part1 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15834-Its-all-nonsense-part-1&p=168835&viewfull=1#post168835) and MANIFESTING IN THE MATRIX its all nonsense part 2 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32896-MANIFESTING-IN-THE-MATRIX-its-all-nonsense-part-2&p=335881&viewfull=1#post335881), are restored, in their original place at the beginning of their threads.

ROMANWKT gave us permission to restore them in an email message to staff@projectavalon.net, and sent Pie'n'eal copies to post as well.

I see that Pie'n'eal and I were working this in parallel. Since the original posts are back, where they belong, I will replace the copies Pie'n'eal just posted above with links to the originals. Sorry Pie'n'eal for the extra work you did posting them.

Technically, the forum does not require a departed members permission to restore posts they deleted before retiring. But in this case, I wanted, for now anyway, to let it play out between ROMANWKT and the other members of the forum, so had avoided restoring the original posts earlier.

Thanks, ROMANWKT, for your OK to restore those posts, and for providing Pie'n'eal copies of them to post.

[Tony]

Thanks Paul! Hopefully all's well, and ends well.

All the best
Tony

[fox.mulder]

Honestly, my first time I read the threads I skimmed through it, this time I took another look. there is alot of information and alot of thought put into it. Roman understand one thing, you are asking people everywhere to stop believing in things that have been so ingrained and so deeply rooted its no wonder that they wouldnt take the time to actually go through it and come out the other end completely devastated. weather or not I beleive it all will take time for me, but I will tell you that what I have gained out of this is yet another sourse of knowledge I can apply/test and see if it works in my life. Alot of what I have learned so far is pointing in the direction that has been presented in those threads, which is both scary and exciting. Again it is alot to take in and alot to comprehend!

Im with you on this Dig. I think that Roman is right in that we are ingrained in too many beliefs. I would love to hear more about this stuff.

[passiglight]

I am so sorry to hear of Roman,,,,,,,,,he is an energy of incredible warmth and such a fantastic "out there" imagination and intellect,,

come back soon dood,,,,,,,,,,,,

We are energy,,,,,,,

[Unified Serenity]

I wish people could stick it out and share their thoughts and beliefs whether we agree or disagree we can do it in agreeable ways. I have differing views from quite a few Avalon members, and yes, I have been snarky a time or two in response to what I perceived was a rather terse and emotional or snarky response to what I share. Disagreeing can be a very healthy thing.

I wish Roman had stayed, but he chose to leave, and he may choose to come back. My partner and I have talked recently at how unfriendly some responses are coming from some who claim to be enlightened and from a place of love and light. We all have our moments where debate can become less than friendly, but rarely have I seen flaming. Not getting a response to a thread happens. Some things resonate and build responses quickly while other threads which are quite fascinating garner little discussion. It happens. I hope he was not run off by unkind PM's or such nonsense. In the end, there really is a small group here that actually communicates and shares of their heart and souls while thousands read and choose not to share.

If you are one of those who only reads, I would ask that you open up a little bit, and we will welcome your voice along with the long timers. We each have something to share and I love hearing from new members as well as the ol' timers.

Roman, I hope you are enjoying your rest and will come back.

[13th Warrior]

I respect his choice to leave.

[Guest]

There are a lot of gentle sensitives and very caring people on the PA forum. Most of whom do not come out and literally say it. You can certainly see/feel/sense in the way they form or what they write in their threads or posts. I replied quite angrily to one of chiquetet's posts.... it was not directed at him -more of a reaction to the condition of MiddleEast and what the PTB are doing and my own country's big part in it. Chiquetet is one of the more gentle souls here.....

I hit the thanks button quite a bit. Most of the time it is in gratitude, appreciation or support of what someone has written and also the time or thought behind it. I adhere to a way that supports that & in our way it is called Wopila -it means gratitude to give away. It is a (belief). It is something I practice -it is in no way something that I have fully realized. Sometimes I do not reply to a post because it could change the course or energy of it or maybe not and other times I do not have anything to say.


Roman -perhaps you are in the process of becoming more fully realized or are already there. Appreciate you sharing it with me/us. The world has become stuck on stupid.....(my opinion only) also appreciate you as one of the ones doing their best to change the channels or gears. Do hope you come back.

Personally speaking - I have been through a lot tough experiences and literally tossed around like a ragdoll...geeze.... as I think many have and alot here on PA -but I will keep moving forward for Peace. I am grateful to be a part of the PA forum with so many from all over world.....

[edit]
and would like to add that this thread brought something to mind -

What Rumi said so eloquently: "there is a place above where there is no right or wrong -I'll meet you there."

Nora

we are all related

[Billy]

To all those who think they leave or say goodbye, maybe have a dramitic exit or go in silence,

Journey well, There are no goodbye's, You may visit the cabin or the deck, bunkhouse, kitchen, canteen, you may even jump overboard and try another boat, but please remember, we are all on the same boat.

Everything is a reflection of self, Expectations from others can bring disappointments. I really do not understand this leaving thing. If you have no expectations you would never have to leave.

Journey well Roman, Much Love

Billy

[motherlove]

This is the only way for the good stuff to come through if you learn from the repeated retoric that is highly charged for these days it is of no value. If Roman found these exercises and understanding from his own hard won interpretations I say give us more and more and more.......how could any of us critque it until we had practice what he preached. I could see the value of what he wrote and was grateful for his input. There was a little light on the horizon for a while. Best Wishes.
I have spoken to Roman this afternoon.

I am just going to repeat what he said, but please don't be too psychoanalytical about it.
None of us want to feel judged at every possible opportunity.

He wrote two weighty posts, called “It is all Nonsense”. He said there is no reality or wisdom in them,
and that was all nonsense. He hoped people would engage in taking it apart or adding to it,
to get some sort of fed back, and not just thanks! He was disappointed that this did not happen.

I am asking not to be judgemental about his motives, as some of us would like him to come back,
to haunt us! He had actually written a part three “It's all Nonsense.” but deleted it all.
I've ask him to email the first two so we can have it on file. I'd also like to read No3.

Roman came to his conclusion outside any system, so that is why his findings are remarkable!
We chat on the phone, and it is marvellous to hear someone who is very open,
coming to their own conclusions, from what he has learnt.

Roman where else are you going to get so much love and affection?

[Anchor]

There are no mistakes!

May Roman's path be illuminated by the love and the light of the one infinite creator - the light of a thousand suns!

(I didnt want to post on farewell threads, but I felt an exception was due, as it wasnt started by the person that left - I hope I didn't waste it - LOL)

[onawah]

Thanks for restoring those posts. I have been wanting to go back and read them more closely when I get more time, but I've been distracted by the David Wilcock info.
I hope Romanwkt will return.
I valued his information.
I think he was incensed because questions on the David Wilcock thread were not being addressed.
He accused some of the members of lecturing other members who had legitimate questions.
I think he had a point.
However, I intend to persist until we have more answers, even if they are not forthcoming from PA, and I will post any answers I find here, for the time being, at least.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

The information in both of the restored threads was of great interest to me and I began trying some of the techniques mentioned - especially the releasing technique visualizing "smoke" blown out through the heart space. I am grateful when members share their experience and truth. It does not become MY truth until I have had a chance to apply it and observe the results for myself.

I, along with others here, respect the information expressed as one person's opinion, one person's truth. I really don't put much energy into trying to prove or disprove, although I will disagree if a post runs counter to my direct experience. Often, I don't have sufficient knowledge of a topic to post. I still appreciate reading the wisdom of others!

I believe that in Roman's posts he, himself, delves into the energetics of focusing on something and attracting the opposite of what we actually wish for. Perhaps he needs to remove his focus from the forum for awhile...

That said, I do notice that when I make one or two steps forward, there is INCREDIBLE opposing energy that seems to manifest to reverse or impede my progress...there is an unseen battle being fought on multiple dimensions. Stay strong and grounded in Self and Love. Namaste.

[markoid]

I too usually don't post on these threads but I found Roman's posts incredibly concise with very usable information, and as such I am sorry to see him go. I am glad the 'it's all nonsense' threads are back up as I go back and refer to them quite often to get grounded.
Thank you Roman for your greatly valuable input here and all the very best in your ongoing journey.

[mosquito]

Thanks for everything Tony.

1) Roman's posts. They were long posts and it took me a while to sit down and read them, which I eventually did. There was a wealth of valuable information therein and it takes time to digest. But I understand his frustration at the lack of discussion. Maybe that was a good thing though, the discussion would probably only have turned into an ego bashing session, as often happens.

2) Disinformation. There's been a lot of this around recently, from all sources. We're all truth seekers here, and I imagine I'm not alone in feeling rather frustrated at the situation, I don't know who or what to believe, so once again I'm thrown back onto self-reliance. Don't look outside of yourself for answers, only look within. As for proof dear Roman, forget it !!! There is none. But I soooooo wish people would learn to use discernemnt.

3) Unsubscribing. Clearly the wish to unsubscribe isn't uncommon ! I often wonder what the hell I'm doing here, I've given up on posting my thoughts and feelings, it's a complete waste of time. But instead of peevishly unsubscribing, I make the most of the forum I can. There are occasionally people interested in what I have to say, and importantly people who I can encourage when they need it. And, living in a place where I'm a long way outside of my comfort zone, with hardly anyone speaking English and a dearth of decent books, it's been great to be introduced to so many fascinating reasearchers and documentaries. If we can't live with each other, with our differences and ego trips on a bloody forum, then how the hell can we expect to live together in a community ?

Nuff said. Roman - get your arse back here NOW !

[another bob]

Reality is its own proof. The one who needs something else, something more, is missing the point of their own appearance here.

Blessings!

[Swanette]

Roman deleted the initial "its all nonsense" posts. Does anyone know if they were quoted? I am going to look again but did not see them.

Yep, I checked, they're both gone. This is a shame. I was priviledged to have taken part in both of them, too bad those in the future will not be. Roman, as a free thinking and mature adult, if you so choose to leave the forum, we're sorry to see you go, but o.k. I fail however to understand why you've chosen to take the wisdom you so generously shared with us along with you. This is very disappointing, I hope you re-consider.

Anchor said in this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32896-MANIFESTING-IN-THE-MATRIX-its-all-nonsense-part-2&p=335997&viewfull=1#post335997) that he was going to print them out. Maybe he could post them back up. I am sure I am not the only one that was quietly following. Please re-consider Roman. No proof is a poor excuse. It's impossible to prove nonsense.

On October 23rd I had copied both posts and emailed them to myself.
I had printed them and have been reading them over and over several times. I have printed copies of 1 & 2 at my bedstand and also on my Blackberry so I could read them on the go. I had thought about sending Roman a personal message to thank him for the profound insight he has over what I have been trying to figure out for so long. But, alas I didn't take the time to let him know personally. His writings totally resonated with me and after reading both 1 & 2 a couple of times I had an 'aha' moment. I can email the copies to anyone or I could copy them again and repost them here. What should I do? ROMAN I hope you are reading this. Thank you Thank you & much love to you

ps: just saw that the posts have been restored...... good:happy:

ps1: how about part #3 ?