Using a Ouija Board

[the_syrinx]

Hi everyone

I don't post very often but I have a question and could not think of anyone else except Avalon to ask for advice. I have a strong wish to use the ouija board right now. I've used it before but not for many years.

I have never had a bad experience with it. Right now I am facing many problems (who isn't ?!) but I really feel that now might be a good time to try.

But what do you think ? Is it a good idea, or no ?

Thanks.

[shadowstalker]

Use your true heart, if this is what you wish then do, remember the light/love and circle of protection.
If you had no issues before then you may not have issues this time, ask your guides, it may actually be them whom wish you to use that medium.
You know how to use it. keep in mind safe practice always.
It might be interesting if you used an electronic voice recorder as well. just for kicks.

[the_syrinx]

Thank you so much for this reply. I really want to do it, but need someone to do it with me !!!

By the way, is it better with three people than two ?

[shadowstalker]

Thank you so much for this reply. I really want to do it, but need someone to do it with me !!!
True (to a certain degree) do you have a friend close by who is into this kind of things ask them.

[shadowstalker]

Thank you so much for this reply. I really want to do it, but need someone to do it with me !!!

By the way, is it better with three people than two ?
It all depend upon the people involved numbers don't really mean much except to the fact that thoughts MAY inter fear with the individual trying to gain answers.

[the_syrinx]

Is it possible to do it alone ?

[shadowstalker]

Yes it is every possible to do it alone.
But you must have positive loving thoughts and ask you guides to be present for this to be effective in a positive way..
And it also depends upon many other things such as your inner sense and possible fear factors. you must think positive loving thoughts.

Some create a (C.O.P.) Circle of Protection with salt (Sea salt) crystals and stones and or candles. pointed the four cardinal points, North, South, East, West.
Some people meditate while using the board, (well you said you have done it before, you do what you know best.)

[the_syrinx]

Thanks again. I've done it before, yes, but never after such helpful advice, so the next time I do it I will be better informed.
Take care, shadowstalker.

[shadowstalker]

Thanks again. I've done it before, yes, but never after such helpful advice, so the next time I do it I will be better informed.
Take care, shadowstalker.
Do your self a favor and take note each time you use it, time of day, date, individuals involved and the like, it make for interesting learning and experience.

[greybeard]

Frankly I would not go there as with the best will in the world using the board opens the participants up to the lower astral.
That is not something that you would wish to play with.
Entities from the lower astral are very clever and can deceive the participants with some valid information and then you are hooked.

Best wishes Chris

[RMorgan]

Frankly I would not go there as with the best will in the world using the board opens the participants up to the lower astral.
That is not something that you would wish to play with.
Entities from the lower astral are very clever and can deceive the participants with some valid information and then you are hooked.

Best wishes Chris

I´m with you. Evolved entities rarely communicate trough these kind of devices.

Mostly, you´ll get in touch only with mid-low astral entities, who will just feed from your energy. Once they get addicted to it, you will have some problems.

[DeDukshyn]

Hi everyone

I don't post very often but I have a question and could not think of anyone else except Avalon to ask for advice. I have a strong wish to use the ouija board right now. I've used it before but not for many years.

I have never had a bad experience with it. Right now I am facing many problems (who isn't ?!) but I really feel that now might be a good time to try.

But what do you think ? Is it a good idea, or no ?

Thanks.

Very interesting timing ... My son has expressed a pretty strong desire to get a Ouija board lately ... He asked me if he could get one yesterday in fact ... I just thought I'd mention the synchronicity. In my opinion Ouija boards are only good if you don't take them remotely seriously (which also means they have no "real" use) -- many of the entities communicable in this way can use the power of the users own belief against them - this makes them potentially dangerous because belief is reality to the individual.

[NancyV]

The only way contact with astral entities is negative or "dangerous" is if you are fearful or easily taken in . If you have no fear and if you use great discernment, like not absolutely believing any message you receive, then you will be fine. If you are fearful of astral beings then it's better to not use a Ouija board. You can only be manipulated through your own fears and beliefs. There is no reason not to use the Ouija board alone. You know what your energy is like but you can't always be sure of another person and what they will draw to them. Whatever feels best to you, that's what you should do.

[the_syrinx]

Thank you, and it's probably nothing, although this will sound mad. Last weekend something brought the colour purple to my attention. It was at a local market and I was standing still minding a stall. After that people continually came into my view, and even close to me, and all of them were wearing something purple, even as subtle as earrings ! I told my partner who was sceptical but then he started noticing it, too. By the end of the day there seemed to be more purple around than any other colour. Could be an autumn colour trend, but it seemed very strange, as I've never noticed it before. Had a quick google but couldn't get any clues, except to find out that purple is the colour of high spirituality, amongst other things probably.

[WhiteFeather]

Found This Online: Have a looksy,,,,,,,Most paranormal researchers advise against the casual use of the Ouija board, suggesting that it can be a doorway to unknown dimensions. “The board itself is not dangerous, but the form of communication that you are attempting often is," says Ghost researcher Dale Kaczmarek of the Ghost Research Society. "Most often the spirits whom are contacted through the Ouija are those whom reside on 'the lower astral plane.' These spirits are often very confused and may have died a violent or sudden death; murder, suicide, etc. Therefore, many violent, negative and potentially dangerous conditions are present to those using the board. Often times several spirits will attempt to come through at the same time but the real danger lies when you ask for physical proof of their existence! You might say, 'Well, if you're really a spirit, then put out this light or move that object!' What you have just done is simple, you have 'opened a doorway' and allowed them to enter into the physical world and future problems can and often do arise."
But what if the Ouija really does not contact spirits? What if it only accesses our own subconscious? The advice might be the same. Since there are realativly few accounts of positive, uplifting experiences with the Ouija, and many negative ones, we might assume that it more attuned to the negative aspects of our subconscious.

If you're determined to use the Ouija anyway, it is highly recommended that you follow some rules of precaution:

Begin by announcing that the session will only allow an experience that is positive or toward a higher good and that negative energies are not welcome.
Don't ask for physical signs.
When you're done, close the board. This is an important step. When you're done with your session, slide the planchette to 'GOODBYE' and remove your hands.

http://paranormal.about.com/cs/ouijaboards/f/blfaq_ouija01.htm

And This!

The Ouija board and its hidden dangers


The Ouija board has long been a popular method of attempting to contact “the other side”, and is probably the only product sold on a large scale for this particular purpose. The name “Ouija” is derived from the French and German words for “yes”; “oiu” and “ja”. The Ouija consists of a flat board upon which is printed the letters of the alphabet, some numbers, punctuation marks and with the words “yes” and “no”.. The participants proceed by placing their fingers lightly on a pointer, which then supposedly without the conscious effects of the participants moves to spell out a series of messages.

Many users of the Ouija board often regard this activity quite simply as a novelty for parties and other such gatherings, very often without fully realising the very real potential dangers of which there are many. The Ouija board can and often does work, and indeed many communications received can be from “the other side”. Unfortunately however many of these contacts are with beings residing in the very lowest levels of the Astral planes whose intentions are often much less than honourable.

As discussed previously, humans and other beings living in the lowest Astral worlds do so because of the dark, negative and sometimes very evil lives they previously led while on Earth, and accordingly now exist at these correspondingly low Energy levels of vibration. The danger with this is that the lower in the Astral plane the being exists, the easier it is for them to make contact with the physical world through the Ouija board, due in part to the inner relative densities and lower relative vibrations of the Ether.

The lower in the Astral worlds the being, the lower is their Energy vibration, usually indicating a correspondingly low level of trust. Always remember that these low Astral worlds are a perfect reflection of the character of these beings existing there. The more inner the being relative to the physical world, the more evolved and therefore trustworthy the being is, but at the same time the more difficult it is to contact people living in the physical world. This simple guideline should always be kept in Mind in these situations.

The beings of the lower Astral worlds will frequently revel in claiming to be Angels, Archangels, famous people or even God, while others will have no hesitation at all in claiming to be deceased people known to the Ouija board sitters. On other occasions these lower Astral beings might simply use obscenities, cursing and generally extremely bad language. Why do these lower Astral beings behave in this way? Aside from the fact this is very often the character of these beings, and hence the reason they inhabit the lower Astral worlds in the first place, their despair is often pushed to the extreme simply because they can no longer physically experience the things they once enjoyed and very often abused so much while still physically alive such as indulgence in crime, violence, excessive drinking, excessive drugs use and excessive sex devoid of genuine love, respect or passion. If they had any sort of reasonable capacity for love, loving thoughts or other positive attributes, they would not be in the situation they are in. If they even had the capacity to ask for help to relieve them of their misery, such help would be provided by more highly evolved inner beings if appropriate.

Mediums who have contacted beings at these low Astral levels often report extremely hostile, abusive and sinister voices. These are the voices of the very same beings often contacted through the use of Ouija boards. Unfortunately, because the users of the Ouija board are usually hoping for and therefore anticipating genuine contacts with inner-level Spirits, they will almost always be taken in by the deception of these lower Astral beings.

Sometimes this is all quite harmless, and although the Ouija board users are misled, there is usually no permanent harm done. There is a very real danger however of some lower Astral beings having much darker and more sinister motives. Such dangers include a lower Astral being for example posing as a deceased relative. Once the lower Astral being has been able to convince the Ouija board sitters they are indeed a deceased relative, they will often be very manipulative, proceeding to request or even demand certain things to be done for them, mostly with view to increasing it’s own strength of presence within the material world. Such requests are often carried out by the Ouija board sitters without question, not wanting to risk upsetting or offending what they genuinely believe to be a deceased relative, friend or inner Spiritual being.

Lower Astral beings do not like dwelling in their dark worlds, and will very often seize any opportunity to take control of a physical body in the material world. This could in turn very easily lead to a full possession resulting in all sorts of potentially nasty problems, including but not limited to very severe psychological problems. The personality of the possessed person might change dramatically and for the worse. The only solution to such a state of possession, is to exorcise the being from the possessed person. This might all seem rather dramatic after what started out as an innocent party game, but it most certainly can and does happen, and accordingly all Ouija board users should know the dangers beyond any doubt before using a Ouija board, even as a party novelty.

The Ouija board should always be regarded as a potentially very dangerous instrument and preferably avoided altogether. Those insisting on ignoring these dangers should at the very least be aware of the type of being likely to made contact with, and what their real motives often are. Any being claiming for example to be a deceased relative should be thoroughly tested by asking questions to which only such a relative would know the answers. The same principle also applies to all beings purporting to be Angels, Archangels or famous people. Such beings will in reality know very little about Angels, Archangels or the famous people they purport to be, and can therefore be easily caught out. Again, it is very important indeed to remember this sort of behavior is a reason why these beings are dwelling in the lowest part of the Astral worlds in the first place; they simply cannot and should not be trusted under any circumstances unless fully tested by an expert who understand these dangers.

Stoker Hunt, a person who carried out research into the effects arising from the use the Ouija board, summarized a common pattern of communication that can often develop when people make contact with entities within the low levels of the Astral worlds; he said:

“The invader focuses on the victims character weaknesses, if one is vain, appeals to vanity are made. ‘I need your help’ the seducer will say, ‘and only you can help me’. The entity is malicious and does not hesitate to lie, misrepresent itself (usually as a deceased loved one) and flatter. It’s better for the invader of course if the victim is alone, isolated and ill. If needs be the invader will terrify its victim, materialising in ghastly form, inducing grotesque visions, inciting poltergeist activity, causing objects to appear out of the blue, delivering false or tragic news, levitating objects, perhaps levitating the victim. All these things and more might be done, not as ends among themselves, but as a means to an eventual complete possession”.

It should be clear by now the Ouija board is a potentially very dangerous instrument indeed, especially for those who do not understand its fullest implications. Dr. Carl Wickland, an American psychiatrist, wrote his classic work on mental illness “Thirty Years Among the Dead” in 1924, within which he warns:

“The serious problem of alienation and mental derangement attending ignorant psychic experiments was first bought to my attention by cases of several persons whose seemingly harmless activities with automatic writing and the Ouija board resulted in such wild insanity that commitment to asylums was necessitated. Many other disastrous results which followed the use of the supposedly innocent Ouija board came to my notice, and my observations led me into research in psychic phenomena for a possible explanation of these strange occurrences”.

These are only a very few of the possible outcomes of the use of the Ouija board. It should be made clear however not all contacts by means of the Ouija board are malevolent, and there have also been many positive, long term communications where it has been possible to contact well meaning and friendly inner level Astral beings. One particularly noteworthy case was that of Pearl Curran who used a Ouija board with her neighbour on July 12, 1912. After a year of experimenting she began to receive messages from Patience Worth, a Spirit entity who claimed she was born in 1649 in Dorsetshire, England. Between 1912 and 1919 she dictated five million words through the board, including epigrams, poems, full-length novels, allegories and short stories. Her collective works filled twenty nine bound volumes, and 4375 single spaced pages. These works included five full length novels, the most successful being “A Sorry Tale”, a 300,000 word story of the earthly life of Jesus which was reviewed by the New York Times on July 8, 1917, commenting: This long and intricate tale of Jewish and Roman life during the time of Christ is constructed with the precision and accuracy of a master hand. It is a wonderful, a beautiful and noble book”. Patience Worth won many more accolades and awards over the years for a wide variety of literary work.

Another famous Spiritual entity who first appeared by means of the Ouija board called himself “Seth”, who first made an appearance when Jane Roberts and her husband first began using a Ouija board in 1963. The entity eventually introduced itself as Frank Withers who died in 1942 after his most recent physical life as an English teacher. He preferred to be called “Seth” and stated his mission as helping people to understand themselves and reality better.

Through Jane Roberts, Seth dictated several best-selling books dealing with the nature of reality, reincarnation, Astral travel, dreams and the nature of God. Seth also provided step-by-step teachings on meditation techniques and extra-sensory perception. He was also able to diagnose illnesses, correctly describe the contents of buildings and rooms many miles away, and materialised as an apparition in well-lit settings.

There have been many other such successful uses of the Ouija board that proved to be of great value to the people concerned, and in some cases, such as Seth, to humanity as a whole. This should not be taken as reason in and of itself to justify the inherent risks involved of using the Ouija board. James Merrill, a Pulitzer winner describes his Ouija board experiences when he wrote “The Changing Light at Sandover” in 1982. His frightening experiences including visions, bodily transformation, the feeling of powerful presences as well as more memorable and joyous ones are recorded in the poem. After thirty years however he no longer recommends people use the Ouija board because “one can never tell how susceptible a given person will be”.

On balance, the use of a Ouija board should be strongly discouraged. Due to the nature of the way this instrument functions it is much more likely to attract malevolent low-level Astral entities than well-meaning or even helpful inner-level beings. Those who do attract lower level beings ultimately stand a very high chance indeed of suffering possession and/or serious mental illness, both of which would be nearly impossible to overcome by modern medical means. The only solution to such a serious situation involving inter-dimensional forces would be an exorcism carried out by a highly experienced practitioner of which there are very few living today.


The most sensible solution therefore is to resist any such temptations completely, leaving the Ouija board and similar instruments such as a tumbler with playing cards and automatic writing very well alone for your own safety and for the safety of those around you.

OP,,,,,,Personally, I would stay clear from it.

[Unified Serenity]

You could always do a lesser banishing ritual first, and set the intention for only positive interaction, no energy suckers or fear inducing spirits. I also would not involve anyone of a young spiritual nature or not clearly set on a spiritual path as it's one of the easiest ways to come under the influence of lower astral entities.

[NancyV]

Last weekend something brought the colour purple to my attention. It was at a local market and I was standing still minding a stall. After that people continually came into my view, and even close to me, and all of them were wearing something purple, even as subtle as earrings ! I told my partner who was sceptical but then he started noticing it, too. By the end of the day there seemed to be more purple around than any other colour. Could be an autumn colour trend, but it seemed very strange, as I've never noticed it before. Had a quick google but couldn't get any clues, except to find out that purple is the colour of high spirituality, amongst other things probably.
Funny you should mention purple! I was just talking with a good friend of mine today about how much purple I was seeing lately when I go to bed. What I do is close my eyes and look out through my eyelids. This happened just last night at about 2am when I went to bed. As I looked out into a huge space and was seeing through my closed eyes, a field of the most intense and glowing purple appeared. I watched it pulsating and flashing for a while and then fell asleep. Occasionally I see blue but most often in the last year or so it's been constantly purple.

[the_syrinx]

That's interesting. It's never happened to me before, and I wasn't expecting it or looking for it, either. It's as if an inner voice said "look, do you see how much purple is around you ?" Fascinating.

[astrid]

Don't get me started.

I'v had to clean up many, many messes created by people playing with things they know nothing about,
that is the problem.

This is not a GAME, and its still sold as one.

In using a Ouija, you are opening a portal, that's what it does.
SO you can imagine the implications of this.

The last place i had to go and sort out, kids had been playing,
they had moved out, but the remaining housemates were left with the mess.

I got called in, the house was full of lower astrals.
doors opening and closing on their own, no one was sleeping,
lots of noises during the night including voices.

The girl who called me was very much in fear, which is why they had latched on so hard to her.
Another housemate, who was confident and not in fear, didn't have any issues with the entities, ( BIG CLUE THERE).

You can do it "safely" and have excellent results, but just do your research.
and make sure you are well protected, and that you open and close the sessions properly.
Yes lower astrals love these things, but you can program things to only attract the highest level beings too.

Mostly it depends on your vibration and intentions, If you have any doubt, fears or anxieties WHATSOEVER,
i would advise to leave it alone.

Like attracts like, don't forget that.
If your vibration is high and you are well protected, you are not at all attractive to anything in the lower planes,
they simply can't exist around that level of light.

But ulitmatley we are all made of the same stuff, aspects of creation,
just different levels of vibration.
Lower astrals are easy to move on, if you do cross that path let me know.

Really the only thing to fear is fear itself.
Its the fear, and the holes in your energy field that they attach to.
which is why people say that negative entities are really just a
part of your shadow self. They actually end up being the best teachers sometimes,
as they point to where you need to work on yourself.

Clearing out a house also involves working the people involved,
to do it properly anyways.

Always stay in love and you will be just fine......

[evancruz1]

My wife used an Ouiji board when she was younger, it seems some type of spirit has locked on to her and never let go. It has never tried to hurt her but she has had some strange visions. She has ran downstairs freaked out because she felt something pushing her into the bed. Or the bed will just move/bang into the wall with no warning... This continued for at least a decade...This has been difficult for me because she gets little or no sleep without me in the room. This however seems to of subsided possibly due to our personal journey of awakening. Possibly also due to the orgonite we always have with us now (Thanks Lilly!!).

She still has to have all doors and windows closed, if I'm not in the room a light will have to be on. I try and help her with her fears but she just can't shake it yet. I have been dealing with her experience for as long as I have known her.

Just thought I would share this experience in light of the subject. TY

[the_syrinx]

Astrid, I have read this carefully. Perhaps it is not for me, as I have bad anxiety problems. Maybe when things are going better for me, perhaps not now. Thank you.

[astrid]

Why not try dowsing instead?

You can get great results with that,
and its useful for so many things...

[the_syrinx]

Dowsing ? Will have to google that. Have heard of it but never really looked into it ... any tips ? ;)

[Maia Gabrial]

Here's what I was told years ago. You don't know what comes through those store bought Ouija boards. More times than not lesser entities will come through. My friend build his own board, blessing each piece as he went along. And he told me that a REAL Ouija board doesn't require you to touch the flange (or whatever that thing is called that everyone puts their fingertips on). He says his board was blessed to only allow higher beings to come through. AND he never touched the board or flange to get it moving on its own.... BTW he was a Wiccan High Priest....
I didn't get the chance to see this, though; I really wanted to....

My advice is to ALWAYS surround yourself with Light and Love before ever doing anything supernatural. Otherwise, you're asking for serious spirit troubles....

[astrid]

yeah... i will pm you some links.

All you need is to buy a pendulum,
i wil give you links on how to set it up,
again, lower astrals can work through this too,
but its easier to tell when they are ,
and easy to program so it doesn't happen,

Basically its a great way to speak to your higherself,
subconscious mind, its a cool thing to master.
Age old too, you heard of water divining yes?
Well, that's dowsing.

[Maia Gabrial]

You can use virtually anything as a pendulum, but if you feel comfortable buying one.... but making your own is better because you're putting your own energies into it....

[astrid]

True Maia, but if you get a simple clear quartz one
you can clear it under running water or smudge,
and program it for what ever you like.

Intention is everything.

But yes, store bought things need to be cleared out of any energies first,
that's simple to do.

[the_syrinx]

Thanks so much Astrid, I am looking for some very serious answers right now.

[Unified Serenity]

If you are seeking simple direction and answers you can do the linking fingers technique. I have found that an excellent guide. Just clear your energy, test yourself, and see if it's ok to ask. Then ask the question and if it breaks it's "no" and if it doesn't break it's "yes" well that's how it works for me anyway.

[astrid]

This was one of the sites i started with,
http://www.greatdreams.com/penlearn.htm

it explains the set up really well,
i have a heap of stuff on dowsing, load of resources,
maybe we should start a new thread on this??



Others might be interested??

[astrid]

@ Unified Serenity
Yes... the very good dowsers, use deviceless dowsing,
i know one man in the UK who has trained his eyes lids,

Really this is all Bio feedback,
another way is muscle testing, kinesiology.
your body is quite an amazing instrument
that holds many answers, unlocking them
can solve so many mysteries.

One of the main tips to dowsing is being detached to the outcome.
You can also dowse "blind" with shuffled cards with answers turned face down,
if you are worried about your conscious mind being too attached to the answers.

[the_syrinx]

Oh thank you for this. I am definitely going to give this a serious read.

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This is also interesting, and if what "breaks" ? (sorry to be dumb !) Not heard about linking fingers method.

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I know much is held in the body. Being anxious most the time, my bf sometimes tries to massage my neck and shoulders and calls me an iron bar ! I definitely need unlocking, been trying all my life !

[the_syrinx]

yes, there are quite a few watching the thread, might be a good idea.

[Unified Serenity]

put your right first finger to your thumb making a circle, now do the same with your left hand but link it through your right hand circle. Ask, is it ok to seek an answer and try to pull your left fingers through your right fingers. If it breaks then the answer is no. If it holds, then it's yes. Ask your question and see if it breaks or holds. Before you do this, it's important to be clear, grounded and centered.

You can test this by something simple like, My name is __________. If it really is your name then it should not break. If it breaks then it's not a good time to seek an answer, or you don't know who you are.

[onawah]

There are many Tarot decks and other decks now that I have found to be useful.
Metaphysically oriented bookstores usually have a number to choose from.
If they resonate with you as being of the Light, they should be helpful.
I use the Book of Runes by Ralph Blum now more than anything, and the Sacred Path and Medicine Cards by Jamie Sams.
I sage my home frequently, and I put my semi precious stones and crystals in salt water every so often to cleanse them, then put them outdoors in the sun, moon, and rain to charge them up.
They bring a lot of light back inside with them when I bring them back in.
Rose incense and essential oil helps to keep the frequencies high also.
I also keep a lot of houseplants, which I put outdoors when the weather permits to recharge.
They help a lot in the winter, when it's too cold to go out much.
And my cats have always helped to keep me grounded and protected.

I would not buy a Ouija board if I were you, particularly if there are teen agers around.
Everything I have read about them warns against them.

[modwiz]

There are many Tarot decks and other decks now that I have found to be useful.
Metaphysically oriented bookstores usually have a number to choose from.
If they resonate with you as being of the Light, they should be helpful.
I use the Book of Runes by Ralph Blum now more than anything, and the Sacred Path and Medicine Cards by Jamie Sams.
I sage my home frequently, and I put my semi precious stones and crystals in salt water every so often to cleanse them, then put them outdoors in the sun, moon, and rain to charge them up.
They bring a lot of light back inside with them when I bring them back in.
Rose incense and essential oil helps to keep the frequencies high also.
I also keep a lot of houseplants, which I put outdoors when the weather permits to recharge.
They help a lot in the winter, when it's too cold to go out much.
And my cats have always helped to keep me grounded and protected.

I would not buy a Ouija board if I were you, particularly if there are teen agers around.
Everything I have read about them warns against them.

The Runes, with Ralph Blum's heart warming interpretations and the Medicine Cards are my primary divination tools. I sleep with any number of gems and stones as well as wear them and use them in my chakra-bodywork. I use the same charging modalities also. I have a copper pyramid I built that also imparts some useful energies, though the main purpose is to potentize my gem elixirs and flower essences.

[astrid]

Cool , i was hoping our favorite wizard would add to this thread,

I'm thinking, we start a thread called something like,
"Divination tools, what's your favorite??"

What you say OP..then you get the whole bag of tricks to choose from??
I'm sure we will get lots of responses, its a pretty interesting topic...

The Ouija flat out sends some people running.

[onawah]

I'm taking some of my crystals to the 11:11:11 Conference in Little Rock to sit with Max the Crystal Skull and download new frequencies.
Then I'm bringing them back home and we are having a ceremony at one of our favorite gathering places, Magnetic Spring.
Folks are going to bring their crystals to sit with mine and download the energies from Max.

I was just gifted with an Orion Phantom crystal, a type which is good for channeling.
I love it's energy! I've never felt anything quite like it.
The woman who gave it to me is a channeler, Gillian Beth Loudan, of the Quantum Awakening site.
The man who is the facilitator of the Conference is Tyberonn, a great channeler.
(I've posted some of both their channeled messages on the PA Channeled Information subforum.)
Maybe I'll start channeling myself when I get back!

[truth4me]

Frankly I would not go there as with the best will in the world using the board opens the participants up to the lower astral.
That is not something that you would wish to play with.
Entities from the lower astral are very clever and can deceive the participants with some valid information and then you are hooked.

Best wishes Chrismy thoughts exactly....

[Guest]

Frankly I would not go there as with the best will in the world using the board opens the participants up to the lower astral.
That is not something that you would wish to play with.
Entities from the lower astral are very clever and can deceive the participants with some valid information and then you are hooked.

Best wishes Chrismy thoughts exactly....

Ditto on this and especially right now there is so much going on in the world

Nora

we are all related

[astrid]

onawah please do report back to us on the conference??
James does some excellent work, and to sit with MAX would be amazing.

What an excellent event to be attending,
very jealous, :p

[Dawn]

I'd really like to add my wisdom and experience here. I used an Ouija board a couple of times in my early 20s. And I practiced with it enough to be able to operate it by myself. After using is a few times a portal opened to a malevolent being. The house turned freezing cold, and filled with the most awful energy imaginable. The board began to spell "DIE" over and over. We stopped playing with the Ouija board immediately, but it continued to spell "DIE". We put the board away in it's box in the closet, however the being definitely still had access to our house. Luckily I lived with a spiritual adept at the time (my wonderful and awake mother). When she came home and opened the front door, she knew immediately what was up. She used her personal power to shut the portal and banish the entity. The whole encounter was very sobering and enlightening.

Before anyone here decides to experiment with an Ouiji Board, or respond to 'urges' to use a board, please check out this thread. It will give you a clear understanding of just what you are dealing with: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21614-Parasitic-Non-Organic-Multidimensional-Beings

Dowsing is a great method for learning truth. However, it cannot be used for every topic and you will be surprised how inaccurate it can be if you ask about the future or finances vs how accurate it can be on other topics.

I also enjoy divination cards, my favorite being a set of Osho Tarot cards.

But, in the long run... it never hurts to use sage and check where 'urges' are coming from.

[modwiz]

I'd really like to add my wisdom and experience here. I used an Ouija board a couple of times in my early 20s. And I practiced with it enough to be able to operate it by myself. After using is a few times a portal opened to a malevolent being. The house turned freezing cold, and filled with the most awful energy imaginable. The board began to spell "DIE" over and over. We stopped playing with the Ouija board immediately, but it continued to spell "DIE". We put the board away in it's box in the closet, however the being definitely still had access to our house. Luckily I lived with a spiritual adept at the time (my wonderful and awake mother). When she came home and opened the front door, she knew immediately what was up. She used her personal power to shut the portal and banish the entity. The whole encounter was very sobering and enlightening.

Before anyone here decides to experiment with an Ouiji Board, or respond to 'urges' to use a board, please check out this thread. It will give you a clear understanding of just what you are dealing with: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21614-Parasitic-Non-Organic-Multidimensional-Beings

Dowsing is a great method for learning truth. However, it cannot be used for every topic and you will be surprised how inaccurate it can be if you ask about the future or finances vs how accurate it can be on other topics.

I also enjoy divination cards, my favorite being a set of Osho Tarot cards.

But, in the long run... it never hurts to use sage and check where 'urges' are coming from.

Agreed. Left it out of my last post. Ouija=bad ju-ju.

[onawah]

I will definitely report back, Astrid.
The woman I am going with, Kate, has had sessions with Max before.
She said they were life changing events and really opened her up.
This will be my first time, and I am definitely ready for some changes, so I plan to make the most of it!

We take it on faith that Tyberonn's information is correct, but the energy is tangible.
They are doing a livestream video for the event if you are interested which you can check out at:
http://www.earth-keeper.com/earthkeeper.shtml
If you don't know about his free newsletter, you might want to subscribe.
It's the best way to get the channeled messages, which don't always show up on his website.
We should definitely start a new thread on this kind of thing for the magically oriented members of PA!


onawah please do report back to us on the conference??
James does some excellent work, and to sit with MAX would be amazing.

What an excellent event to be attending,
very jealous, :p

[the_syrinx]

I'd like to thank all of you for replying to my thread. I had to crash out in the end, it was more than 2am here ! But I really appreciate all the comments from everyone. I do think it would be a great thread to gather all the gems which I and others have not discovered yet ... will look in later.

Take care, all of you. xxx

[Unified Serenity]

Catching up on the replies, and everyone is sharing some great stuff. I also want to point you to noticing the synchronicity that happens around each of us all the time sending most often a silent message that one has to be observing in the here and now to actually see. Just to give an example of a possible synchronicity would be noticing that doors keep shutting in front of you vs already being shut. That sort of event might be saying that whatever venture you were thinking of doing is not a good idea at this time. That's just one example, and you have to make sure you are not creating messages out of thin air to fit what you desire.

Just watch what's happening around you and even ask for signs to know what to do. You already have your answers within, but sometimes it is so hard to grasp them.

[Fred Steeves]

I used to use the Ouija Board all the time as a kid, and nothing bad ever happened. Not to say it couldn't have, but that was my experience. I've heard all the dire warnings, but also the same ones about Tarot Cards, dousing, psychics, rolling the bones, whatever it may be. I try the Ouiji out by myself every now and then just for s**ts and giggles, but it's always a waste of time. Come to think of it, I'll give it a shot today and see what happens.

If I don't report back by noon E.S.T. somebody come and get me...

Cheers,
Fred

[Unified Serenity]

I used to use the Ouija Board all the time as a kid, and nothing bad ever happened. Not to say it couldn't have, but that was my experience. I've heard all the dire warnings, but also the same ones about Tarot Cards, dousing, psychics, rolling the bones, whatever it may be. I try the Ouiji out by myself every now and then just for s**ts and giggles, but it's always a waste of time. Come to think of it, I'll give it a shot today and see what happens.

If I don't report back by noon E.S.T. somebody come and get me...

Cheers,
Fred

Fred I know people who have never gotten anything to happen when using the board. Much does have to do with intention and attitude as well as one's spiritual foundation being the biggest aspect imho. The more sensitive a person is tends to impact what happens with the board. Maybe your just not very sensitive j/k. Do you want something to happen? I have never touched the board without all kinds of energy happening, but I haven't touched one in many years. If you want something to happen you can increase your odds by doing some things, but I won't delve into them here. Be careful of open portals, soft smile.

[Star1111]

Its up to you the_syrinx but I wouldn't open THAT door if I were you.............................!

[the_syrinx]

Thanks again to you all, but especially to Unified Serenity, because I have been tuning in to signs for a few years now. It is sometimes uncomfortable to heed them, but they are signs nevertheless. So, I'll keep trying what I'm trying and I do feel that all will come right one day, especially as the thing I am trying is the thing I am best at but am not making a living from right now, and things are very difficult. My inner voice says to keep trying, and anything else I try which fails just brings another voice saying something along the lines you have just described. So thank you, again, for this reply. Thank you all once again - your replies were not only helpful, but very entertaining and friendly. It was good to interact with you, really. x

[Mad Hatter]

Apologies in advance but this will be more left brained not right...

In experimenting with this in my younger days I was put onto and so double checked a trick from one of my more cycnical friends. The thing to do and take note of, if of course you are interested in applying the scientific method, is to ask a question that no-one within the participants has the definitive answer for. The resultant output is garbage every time as each mind present is just attempting a guess. Whilst participating I also noticed that by sheer force of will I could spell out whatever I wanted including deliberately wrong answers. This proved to be interesting when battling another strong will that was operating from a subconcious level. Great fun if played amongst those less discerning or aware. Of course if there are two of you playing this trick then a true contest of concious wills takes place also usually ending in no definitive answer, or as in one session a broken glass!!

I am not saying that any of the previous posts / advice are incorrect but simply stating my own personal experience. From this and many other adventures I have simply learned that my heart / intuition / instinct generally knows best so have practiced catching that initial, sometimes incredibly faint, answer / feeling before mind / ego steps in and attempts to rationalise all. IMHO use of all external devices are mind / ego filtering therefore such tools may not arrive at the same truth as quickly(if at all) as that initial point of knowing.

the_syrinx are you sure that you don't already 'know' the answer? Since as an exercise this could just be looking for some form of confirmation bias prior to announcing a decision that you percieve may proove to be unpopular in certain quarters. If that is the case my commiserations, but know that in the long run the truth, no matter how unpalatble for now, will always do less damage than the alternative in the long run...

[DeDukshyn]

I'd just like to point out that ouija boards don't open portals. People do.

[Centauro]

I used it once, and to this day I am sorry I did, Even George Noory from Coast to Coast do not recommend the use of such a thing. Why open doors to which we don't know for sure what we going to find on there other side.... Just my opinion. Like some said in a previous post, use your intuition and your heart to search for the answers you seek.

Love


Roland alias "Centauro"

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Ouija Board, crystals, pendulums, etc., are all tools, just as with a hammer, you can use it to build something useful, or you can use it to destroy something. I have used all of the above at some time or another, never with bad experiences.

Look at your intentions, don't be naive and use discerment about whatever information you might get, then go inside and check. I agree with those who have said: If you try anything in fear, you might be opening a portal or attracting like. So be sure no fear is involved.

You might want to read the book "Messages from Michael". It's about a group of folks who with the use of a ouija board( back in the 70's I believe) contacted an entity called Michael. The information they got IMO was very valuable. And remember, as with other tools, some of us are good with a hammer, others are best welding and some have learned to bypass tools and simply manifest. It's okay to explore, just stay out of fear, which might be challenging after reading some of the posts above. Just don't let some else's reality become yours.

[Camilo]

I would say, all the asnwers you're looking for are inside of you. Try the Ouija board and you'll be playing with fire. That's an invitation to lower entities from the astral world to come and mess your reality even further.

[vibrations]

I am reading this thread, some nice opinions, but I am shocked about the fear a lot of people have about board. After more than 10 years using it I can say that there is nothing strange for a normal person to use it. It's just a tool for a group of people to receive telephatic communication. You decide and negate any low astral interference and that's it. You decide what you want and not a piece of wood. Somebody mentioned a Coast to Coast Gorge Nory. He is also just a person and if he is full of fears maybe this fears will manifest with a use of the board. It is a tool which helps to translate high frequency messages received in subconscious mind to a involuntary movements from letter to letter until the word, sentence etc is formed. It's needed a lot of patience and a lot of time to start to receive up to the decent level. Until than a lot of garbage from our own mind comes inside and if you want it also from the dead people. After about a year of use (talking about a group of 5 or 6 persons) the accuracy of the message is about 50-60% and after a few years it raises up to 80%.
If somebody see it as bad ju-ju (Modwitz's quote) then I think there is a lot of superstitious junk inside of person like this.
After all this years for me is just a tool and a good one and pretty logic one too.

[Unified Serenity]

I am reading this thread, some nice opinions, but I am shocked about the fear a lot of people have about board. After more than 10 years using it I can say that there is nothing strange for a normal person to use it. It's just a tool for a group of people to receive telephatic communication. You decide and negate any low astral interference and that's it. You decide what you want and not a piece of wood. Somebody mentioned a Coast to Coast Gorge Nory. He is also just a person and if he is full of fears maybe this fears will manifest with a use of the board. It is a tool which helps to translate high frequency messages received in subconscious mind to a involuntary movements from letter to letter until the word, sentence etc is formed. It's needed a lot of patience and a lot of time to start to receive up to the decent level. Until than a lot of garbage from our own mind comes inside and if you want it also from the dead people. After about a year of use (talking about a group of 5 or 6 persons) the accuracy of the message is about 50-60% and after a few years it raises up to 80%.
If somebody see it as bad ju-ju (Modwitz's quote) then I think there is a lot of superstitious junk inside of person like this.
After all this years for me is just a tool and a good one and pretty logic one too.

I don't know if you intended to call Modwiz a person full of superstitious junk, but that's how it sounded to me. It's responses like this that often stir up strife. Your are entitled to your opinion, but I would ask that you not basically call those who do not hold your opinion as a bunch of superstitious filled people. It has been my experience that a lot of negative lower astral entities like to come around when people play with tools and methods which they are not grounded enough to keep at bay. Modwiz, I apologize if I am overstepping my bounds. I think we can word things differently and still share our opinions in a respectful manner.

[vibrations]

I am reading this thread, some nice opinions, but I am shocked about the fear a lot of people have about board. After more than 10 years using it I can say that there is nothing strange for a normal person to use it. It's just a tool for a group of people to receive telephatic communication. You decide and negate any low astral interference and that's it. You decide what you want and not a piece of wood. Somebody mentioned a Coast to Coast Gorge Nory. He is also just a person and if he is full of fears maybe this fears will manifest with a use of the board. It is a tool which helps to translate high frequency messages received in subconscious mind to a involuntary movements from letter to letter until the word, sentence etc is formed. It's needed a lot of patience and a lot of time to start to receive up to the decent level. Until than a lot of garbage from our own mind comes inside and if you want it also from the dead people. After about a year of use (talking about a group of 5 or 6 persons) the accuracy of the message is about 50-60% and after a few years it raises up to 80%.
If somebody see it as bad ju-ju (Modwitz's quote) then I think there is a lot of superstitious junk inside of person like this.
After all this years for me is just a tool and a good one and pretty logic one too.

I don't know if you intended to call Modwiz a person full of superstitious junk, but that's how it sounded to me. It's responses like this that often stir up strife. Your are entitled to your opinion, but I would ask that you not basically call those who do not hold your opinion as a bunch of superstitious filled people. It has been my experience that a lot of negative lower astral entities like to come around when people play with tools and methods which they are not grounded enough to keep at bay. Modwiz, I apologize if I am overstepping my bounds. I think we can word things differently and still share our opinions in a respectful manner.

The Modwitz's words sounds funny to me, that's why I used them. So nothing personal. About Ouija, I am speaking from the personal experience and also from that same experience I know that only fear can open the doors to lower astral. Any other misunderstanding? Because for me the superstition is a bit childish. Maybe because I didn't have any religious indoctrination in my life and maybe the logic and as much as possible scientific (new science not blind one) approach to the problems is for me the only possible way to deal with a problem. Here are so many bright minds I admire and respect and sometimes there are some things I just can't believe they came from this people. I love to debate, twist things to get new unexpected results but all in a constructive way out of some strange believes. I also love humor especially dry one, sarcastic etc., and the superstition is one of the things I just don't understand.

[modwiz]

I am reading this thread, some nice opinions, but I am shocked about the fear a lot of people have about board. After more than 10 years using it I can say that there is nothing strange for a normal person to use it. It's just a tool for a group of people to receive telephatic communication. You decide and negate any low astral interference and that's it. You decide what you want and not a piece of wood. Somebody mentioned a Coast to Coast Gorge Nory. He is also just a person and if he is full of fears maybe this fears will manifest with a use of the board. It is a tool which helps to translate high frequency messages received in subconscious mind to a involuntary movements from letter to letter until the word, sentence etc is formed. It's needed a lot of patience and a lot of time to start to receive up to the decent level. Until than a lot of garbage from our own mind comes inside and if you want it also from the dead people. After about a year of use (talking about a group of 5 or 6 persons) the accuracy of the message is about 50-60% and after a few years it raises up to 80%.
If somebody see it as bad ju-ju (Modwitz's quote) then I think there is a lot of superstitious junk inside of person like this.
After all this years for me is just a tool and a good one and pretty logic one too.

I don't know if you intended to call Modwiz a person full of superstitious junk, but that's how it sounded to me. It's responses like this that often stir up strife. Your are entitled to your opinion, but I would ask that you not basically call those who do not hold your opinion as a bunch of superstitious filled people. It has been my experience that a lot of negative lower astral entities like to come around when people play with tools and methods which they are not grounded enough to keep at bay. Modwiz, I apologize if I am overstepping my bounds. I think we can word things differently and still share our opinions in a respectful manner.

Thank you. My often terse cryptospeak is a shorthand that lends itself to misinterpretation. The portal that is the Ouija board is a little like being a doorperson to a biker bar. You may get lucky and have a quiet night. Will you have what it takes if things get 'interesting'? My counsel to not open the door is a general one to make sure the unwary, unwise or just plain unprepared do not create a 'Ghostbusters' opportunity.

[onawah]

I have a funny true story to share about a Ouija board encounter.
It was in the 60s and I was at a slumberparty for teenaged girls in the Midwest.
There were about 10 or 12 of us, as I recall, but let's just say there were 10.
It was definitely an even number.
Someone brought a Ouija board, and I think for most of us, it was a new experience.
There was a lot of deliberation about what to ask it.
Finally, one girl suggested we ask it how many girls at the party were virgins.
Those in favor won out, so we asked the board and it said five girls were virgins.
Then someone suggested we ask which girls were not virgins.
This really opened a can of worms....:o:eek: :argue: :decision: :becky: :embarassed: :gossip: :agree: :ph34r:
So we took a secret vote to see how many wanted to ask that question and how many didn't.
Five voted yes and five voted no.
Some of us got creeped out and so, with that, we put the board away.

[vibrations]

I am reading this thread, some nice opinions, but I am shocked about the fear a lot of people have about board. After more than 10 years using it I can say that there is nothing strange for a normal person to use it. It's just a tool for a group of people to receive telephatic communication. You decide and negate any low astral interference and that's it. You decide what you want and not a piece of wood. Somebody mentioned a Coast to Coast Gorge Nory. He is also just a person and if he is full of fears maybe this fears will manifest with a use of the board. It is a tool which helps to translate high frequency messages received in subconscious mind to a involuntary movements from letter to letter until the word, sentence etc is formed. It's needed a lot of patience and a lot of time to start to receive up to the decent level. Until than a lot of garbage from our own mind comes inside and if you want it also from the dead people. After about a year of use (talking about a group of 5 or 6 persons) the accuracy of the message is about 50-60% and after a few years it raises up to 80%.
If somebody see it as bad ju-ju (Modwitz's quote) then I think there is a lot of superstitious junk inside of person like this.
After all this years for me is just a tool and a good one and pretty logic one too.

I don't know if you intended to call Modwiz a person full of superstitious junk, but that's how it sounded to me. It's responses like this that often stir up strife. Your are entitled to your opinion, but I would ask that you not basically call those who do not hold your opinion as a bunch of superstitious filled people. It has been my experience that a lot of negative lower astral entities like to come around when people play with tools and methods which they are not grounded enough to keep at bay. Modwiz, I apologize if I am overstepping my bounds. I think we can word things differently and still share our opinions in a respectful manner.

Thank you. My often terse cryptospeak is a shorthand that lends itself to misinterpretation. The portal that is the Ouija board is a little like being a doorperson to a biker bar. You may get lucky and have a quiet night. Will you have what it takes if things get 'interesting'? My counsel to not open the door is a general one to make sure the unwary, unwise or just plain unprepared do not create a 'Ghostbusters' opportunity.

Look, what I saw over the years, there were many people, groups and especially individuals who had a lot of problems with a bad-ass bikers as you said. And always, absolutely always there were the mistakes they made which drove them the hell (no angels). The curiosity about what is behind the dark curtain, the need for some kind of supernatural guidance or just need for some predictions (a lot of de-incarnated entities offer a lot of "important information just to have someone who depends on them).
And in the other side the quite natural approach, negating all lower astral and just wanting to communicate with live, developed benevolent people, can bring you a lot of positive information, lot of knowledge and a lot of fun. Normally our friends have a lot of sense of humor, provocative and so highly intelligent, it's just hard to believe.
So after some time, you just see, there is no hidden forces with some magic black hand grabbing you destroying your soul, it's just a fear and not enough respect for the Universal laws.

[modwiz]

I don't know if you intended to call Modwiz a person full of superstitious junk, but that's how it sounded to me. It's responses like this that often stir up strife. Your are entitled to your opinion, but I would ask that you not basically call those who do not hold your opinion as a bunch of superstitious filled people. It has been my experience that a lot of negative lower astral entities like to come around when people play with tools and methods which they are not grounded enough to keep at bay. Modwiz, I apologize if I am overstepping my bounds. I think we can word things differently and still share our opinions in a respectful manner.

Thank you. My often terse cryptospeak is a shorthand that lends itself to misinterpretation. The portal that is the Ouija board is a little like being a doorperson to a biker bar. You may get lucky and have a quiet night. Will you have what it takes if things get 'interesting'? My counsel to not open the door is a general one to make sure the unwary, unwise or just plain unprepared do not create a 'Ghostbusters' opportunity.

Look, what I saw over the years, there were many people, groups and especially individuals who had a lot of problems with a bad-ass bikers as you said. And always, absolutely always there were the mistakes they made which drove them the hell (no angels). The curiosity about what is behind the dark curtain, the need for some kind of supernatural guidance or just need for some predictions (a lot of de-incarnated entities offer a lot of "important information just to have someone who depends on them).
And in the other side the quite natural approach, negating all lower astral and just wanting to communicate with live, developed benevolent people, can bring you a lot of positive information, lot of knowledge and a lot of fun. Normally our friends have a lot of sense of humor, provocative and so highly intelligent, it's just hard to believe.
So after some time, you just see, there is no hidden forces with some magic black hand grabbing you destroying your soul, it's just a fear and not enough respect for the Universal laws.

You seem to have inserted some ideas that were not even in my mind, nevermind their absence from my posts. Soul destroying black hands were not even implied by me. Needless to say, some light seems to be bending here. For the sake of thread hygiene, I will withdraw from further comment here. I yield the floor to you.

[onawah]

Speaking of magic, here is an update on the production of the movie-in-the-making of The Hobbit, coming to movie screens in 3D during the holiday season in 2012.
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[vibrations]

You seem to have inserted some ideas that were not even in my mind, nevermind their absence from my posts. Soul destroying black hands were not even implied by me. Needless to say, some light seems to be bending here. For the sake of thread hygiene, I will withdraw from further comment here. I yield the floor to you.

Off course this are not your words this are my thoughts about the phenomena. I never even thought about you saying something which I would not agree, the only thing was catching my attention was the ju-ju expression. It was so funny I used it. Sorry if you understood it as I was attacking you. We're just exchanging opinions aren't we. The Soul destroying analogy is just the Holywood stuff to illustrate the expression.

[13th Warrior]

An adept at evocation who likes to dabble with the "darkside" cautions against the use of the Ouija board.

You don't want Captain Howdy in the house do you?

-qK58CZslAs

[vibrations]

An adept at evocation who likes to dabble with the "darkside" cautions against the use of the Ouija board.

You don't want Captain Howdy in the house do you?



Yeah, but if you call the Captain Howdy, than deal with Captain Howdy. So you just have to put a common sense in it and don't call this entities. And they can't come. No invitation, no entrance.

[Mark]

I do not recommend the Ouija's usage.

In looking through the commentary on the thread I see the usual divergence of opinion between two extremes as those who are experienced share and those who are not share, which is as it should be. All that I might add pertaining to the commentary is that individual resonance is important, as far as who you are inside, who you really are, not necessarily the face you show the world. Your energetic makeup is an attraction, as is your spiritual strength and experience dealing with these alternative shades of reality. Considering the fact that most people, when faced with the ancient hermetic imperative 'know thyself', foolishly think they do already when they really have no idea who they are within, having spent their lives running from themselves, opening one's life to the influence of lower astral energies can be considered the height of folly. For those who limit the 'danger' of the Ouija to some sort of 'invitation-only' influence, well, the reality is sort of like those stories you hear about people making wishes with genies, and the wishes never come out the way they want them to because they left their wishes too open to interpretation. It never ends well for those individuals. The same holds true with the Ouija.

In reference to the original post:

I had a Ouija for many years and it did not work. I met someone whom I used it with for whom it did work. The story I link here is the result (http://rahkytopia.wordpress.com/2010/11/03/his-mothers-son/). Best of luck to you.

[vibrations]

I do not recommend the Ouija's usage.

In looking through the commentary on the thread I see the usual divergence of opinion between two extremes as those who are experienced share and those who are not share, which is as it should be. All that I might add pertaining to the commentary is that individual resonance is important, as far as who you are inside, who you really are, not necessarily the face you show the world. Your energetic makeup is an attraction, as is your spiritual strength and experience dealing with these alternative shades of reality. Considering the fact that most people, when faced with the ancient hermetic imperative 'know thyself', foolishly think they do already when they really have no idea who they are within, having spent their lives running from themselves, opening one's life to the influence of lower astral energies can be considered the height of folly. For those who limit the 'danger' of the Ouija to some sort of 'invitation-only' influence, well, the reality is sort of like those stories you hear about people making wishes with genies, and the wishes never come out the way they want them to because they left their wishes too open to interpretation. It never ends well for those individuals. The same holds true with the Ouija.

In reference to the original post:

I had a Ouija for many years and it did not work. I met someone whom I used it with for whom it did work. The story I link here is the result (http://rahkytopia.wordpress.com/2010/11/03/his-mothers-son/). Best of luck to you.

I absolutely respect your point of view, also read the story and the most important thing which stand out is, Ouija is not a toy and IMHO asking "Is anybody there" is an common error, you just open the door to all kind of entities. Like every tool, it has both sides of use.

[astrid]

Nothing I posted here was meant to instil fear
Quite the opposite . Awareness being the key here.
Being forewarned is to be forearmed as they say .

When I get asked the Ouija question from people
I try and find out if they are equipped to handle
the possibilities that may result, if not then
. I either advice against it, or of they are the determined
types - that will do things regardless of what u say,
I run them through safety protocols and keep on
close eye on them.

And yes the Ouija itself doesn't open a portal
It's using it that does - and that was what I said
in my post on the first page ....

[Krullenjongen]

Hi everyone

I don't post very often but I have a question and could not think of anyone else except Avalon to ask for advice. I have a strong wish to use the ouija board right now. I've used it before but not for many years.

I have never had a bad experience with it. Right now I am facing many problems (who isn't ?!) but I really feel that now might be a good time to try.

But what do you think ? Is it a good idea, or no ?

Thanks.

Very interesting timing ... My son has expressed a pretty strong desire to get a Ouija board lately ... He asked me if he could get one yesterday in fact ... I just thought I'd mention the synchronicity. In my opinion Ouija boards are only good if you don't take them remotely seriously (which also means they have no "real" use) -- many of the entities communicable in this way can use the power of the users own belief against them - this makes them potentially dangerous because belief is reality to the individual.

You probably don't know to much about this but let me give you a well meant warning.
DO NOT PLAY WITH THIS, IT IS NOT A TOY!
An Ouija board is used to contact demonic spirits and you open yourself up to a world of dangers if you do this. And putting yourself in a "magical" circle to prevent attacks will not prevent this danger,
Think i am just a crazy fanatic christian?
Then watch 5 minutes of this video below and decide for yourself.
Just watch the part from 46:20 to 50:40.

PUb3jGTrX14

[vibrations]

An Ouija board is used to contact demonic spirits

I think you're wrong. An Ouija board is used to contact - whatever you wish. You decide it. And if the person using it, is afraid of what will come up, here we are, the manifestation of his fears will by the simple frequency synchronization be the appearance of low astral entities. And simple mention of demons means that it would be good for this person to revise the believes on fear mongering religious BS. Our mind is very powerful and a glimpse of low frequency energy can trigger the formation of inner picture representing a lot of our fears in form of whatever creature he see, feel, smell or anything else.
I would advise of use of common sense and some natural logic and you'll see, that you are in control.

And YouTube will not help in any way. There are just a few movies, representing very vague insight on this theme.

Maybe it would be better to see why MSM is so much against the use of the board. Maybe it's the useful tool to contact other, more advanced civilizations who can advise us how to get rid of the world mafia trying to enslave everything.

[John Parslow]

Hello everyone

A short story about why not to play with an Ouija Board …

Many years ago I had a band and a young keyboard player joined - to cut a long story short we were on our way to a gig one night and we all started to relate ghost stories to each other. The keyboard player was very quiet and suddenly started to visibly shake and begged us to stop talking about spirits etc.

Fast forward many years to maturity and I met our old keyboard player (now a moderately famous music promoter) at a local gig and asked him about that evening in the van - although reticent to relate the incident he told me the following tale: When he was much younger he and two friends decided they were going to have some fun with an Ouija Board’ to ensure that they had maximum excitement they collected some candles and went to an old dis-used barn in a field where the set-up the board after lighting the candles and began to ‘play’… after a period of time they made contact with a spirit who started to spell-out answers to the usual mundane questions. After a while one of the older lads decided to be a bit bolder and asked the spirit(s) to prove that they were really there. Suddenly all of the candles went out! After some panic in the dark they managed to re-light all the candles and calming down again decided that it was probably the wind which blew out the candles. So once again the boldest decided to test the spirit(s) again by saying: “If you are really here, move the pieces of chalk”, which they had used to write the letters and instantly almost before the words were out - all of the chalk flew off the table. Still unconvinced the brave and rather stupid lad said: “Is that all you can do then?” And was instantly picked up and thrown against the barn door sustaining quite a lot of injuries.

As my colleague related this story to me he was visibly shaking and said he had never had anything to do with ghost stories or spirits since that time and furthermore I was the only person to whom he had ever related this story.

So my point is: be warned, if you insist on messing with an Ouija Board it is not always innocent fun!

Love and peace to all. JP :cool:

[DeDukshyn]

Hi everyone

I don't post very often but I have a question and could not think of anyone else except Avalon to ask for advice. I have a strong wish to use the ouija board right now. I've used it before but not for many years.

I have never had a bad experience with it. Right now I am facing many problems (who isn't ?!) but I really feel that now might be a good time to try.

But what do you think ? Is it a good idea, or no ?

Thanks.

Very interesting timing ... My son has expressed a pretty strong desire to get a Ouija board lately ... He asked me if he could get one yesterday in fact ... I just thought I'd mention the synchronicity. In my opinion Ouija boards are only good if you don't take them remotely seriously (which also means they have no "real" use) -- many of the entities communicable in this way can use the power of the users own belief against them - this makes them potentially dangerous because belief is reality to the individual.

You probably don't know to much about this but let me give you a well meant warning.
DO NOT PLAY WITH THIS, IT IS NOT A TOY!
An Ouija board is used to contact demonic spirits and you open yourself up to a world of dangers if you do this. And putting yourself in a "magical" circle to prevent attacks will not prevent this danger,
Think i am just a crazy fanatic christian?
Then watch 5 minutes of this video below and decide for yourself.
Just watch the part from 46:20 to 50:40.

PUb3jGTrX14

Thanks for the warning but my lack of fear causes me to not get anything from it. I don't think you understood my post - what you believe creates your reality. So you'd best not use one, but not everyone's belief is yours, and thus not everyone will have the same experience. Just like goes with absolutely everything else in "reality". BTW my sons not really a kid if that is what you were assuming, and I have no intention of buying him one - I was pointing out the synchronicity .. that's all. My 2 cents ;).

[Dawn]

I've been reading everyone's posts here since I last visited (about 2 pages). It seems there is a split between a few people who think the Ouji opens portals, and those who believe that fearful people playing with it open portals. Also, the belief has been advanced that if there is no fear then there will be no problem with the board.

I'd like to advance an idea which seems like it might be true about this whole thing. What if the Ouji board was created with an intention? What if the original creators of it wished to contact dead people, ghosts, etc. Could the original intention be affecting the way the Ouji works in opening portals?

Sometimes I have this same thought regarding fiat currency. Each time I hold a dollar bill I am aware of all of the occult symbols on it. Just what was the intention of the people who created this weird symbol of abundance with all the occult symbols. Many people have a difficult time generating money... could the original makers have put their intentions into the making of the currency? If they designed it so that they would be rich and everyone else would be poor then ... when others use the money they are playing in the field of energy and intention (magic) created by the original makers.

Of course this thread is not about money... it is about the Ouji. I just wished to point out how successful the creators of money have become, and probably because they set the original energy and the original rules of playing with fiat currency. So.... when we play with the Ouji are we playing in the arena of rules, expectations, and energy set by the original designers?

It seems that if this hypothesis is correct, there could be some people who are strong enough to overcome these patterns and force the Ouji to their will. However, those of us who are unaware of the energies which surround the object (Ouiji) are at risk when playing with it?

There is also a thought that the problem may lie in asking something outside of ourselves for answers. This is something like giving our power away. If this is true, then using the Ouji with the clear understanding that we are contacting our own unconscious information pool may be a safe way of playing with it. However there are many methods of finding our own unconscious answers, such as muscle testing or holding a question in mind, that are very effective without the potential problems the Ouji is famous for.

Finally, I would like to say one other thing. I have noticed that many people can be effected by astral beings. It is the astral beings themselves which resonate with fear. The people effected begin to think they are afraid whereas, in many cases, it is not they who are PRODUCING the fear but the entities. They are simply experiencing the energy of fear that is created by the entities who are bothering them.

What do you think?

[Sierra]

So.... when we play with the Ouji we are likely playing in the arena of rules, expectations, and energy set by the original designers.

It seems that if this hypothesis is correct, there could be some people who are strong enough to overcome these patterns and force the Ouji to their will. However, most of us are unaware of the energies which surround the object (Ouiji) and are therefore at risk when playing with it.


Kind of like a palantir ... you need to know who else is using it.

(In case you don't know what a palantir is: :))
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palant%C3%ADr

[Mark]

Great post dawn. I would add that the Parker Bros Ouija, the one that I had for years, has certain symbols on it. They say symbols are worth a thousand words. Which brings to mind language. The words we use often have older meanings that have become obscure over time. Do the words lose the power they once had or the meaning they once had because people have applied a new meaning to them? I suppose that goes back to Logos. to the power of the word, the power of the mind, of consciousness, of intention.

So when we use a Ouija, one that we didn't make ourselves from a piece of paper or wood, do the intentions of those who made it come into effect? How about the greater cultural meaning? The historical meaning? The force of decades or centuries of applied consciousness upon a singular method of oracular communication or medium-ship. I would say the answer is yes. To those who say 'we create our own reality' I challenge them right now to go outside and do so. Change the world to their conception of what it should be, all by themselves.

If they cannot do it, their words are like spitting in the wind. If we think we can do what we want how we want irregardless of anything else done in the past then perhaps we are mistaken. Perhaps there is no past. No future. Perhaps it is all Now and, therefore, connected, integrally. Using a board today connects you to all who used it yesterday, or 20 years prior. Hm. Thank you for your thoughtful post.

[VaughnB]

I consider it a focusing tool like any other: cards, crystal ball, pendulum, divining rod, etc. Whatever works for you, there is always room for interpretations, nuances, do's and don't. Fear is a part of development schema which we have to deal with.

[Healthy Skeptic]

Be very careful. I've had 'very dear friends' of mine who have used a Ouija Board in the past.
After their experience they went 'weird'. They suddenly got up and 'disappeared' (interstate), never to be heard from again. I will never use one of these things. There are forces in this world that we do not understand. If you must, then try to get advice or do so in conjunction with somebody that is experienced with these things.
With Love, HS

[Second Son]

I agree with the skeptic...
I had a cousin (now deceased) whose children used a Ouiga board, and unknowingly contacted her dead high school sweetheart. The first thing he told my cousin was to get rid of the board and NEVER let her kids use it again. Seems he had to keep some malevolent spirits at bay that day. He told her that automatic handwriting was the way to go. BUT, I must stress here that I also have an aunt who tried automatic handwriting a few times, and the last time she almost lost her mind. Seems she is what is referred to as an "open channel", and cannot regulate the intensity or amount of contact. I happened to be at her house on that fateful day, and I can tell you she was plenty traumatized. BOTTOM LINE... don't try this at home folks.

[Rantaak]

There is no need for ritual nonsense if you want to go safely spelunking into the lower astral realms of the Ouija Board. Those whose bodies dominate their spirit (and not the other way around) may encounter trepidation in the lower astral, as fear will shackle one to their knees within and without the third density. As long as you remember who the bigger fish is and keep your wits about you, this sort of thing is safer than driving a car!

[ajyana]

similar stuffs in the East, they use small dishs, coins or even pens!

the outcomes were remarkably similar : most of the times contact with dark/evil entities, obsessed, went crazy, life screwed up, sometimes dead. also may found some "helpful" entities, some just fooling around, seldom heard someone can contact with those higher spirit.

http://www.kumanthong.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/tip-sin-2.jpg
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http://www.ce.cn/cysc/tech/itsh/200801/10/W020080110470325319209.jpg

[eric charles]

A Ouija board hmmmmm , Ive been cautioned by a few folks , People who i know who lack for a better Term are " Spirit Guides or Bad entity cleansers" one our our close friends here does that , and tell everyone she knows To USE EXTREME CAUTION when using these ! If you dont know what you are doing , stear clear away from a Ouija board .

a lil Story here .

When i was around the age of 8-10 , even before i knew what a Ouija board was or did . My friend Jason had one , and had brought it to a sleepover . I had no idea what it was or what it did , but I knew something was foul with this thing , something in the back of my head told me to STAY AWAY from this thing at all COSTS ,that was even before the boys told me what it did , and when they did tell me , i was scraded whitless of this thing . I did not feel comfortable having that anywhere near me .

What you are doing is inviting is opening the Spiritual door for any type of entity to come in .............................

...

Although i cannot prove any of this with pictures , My son at age of 3 , had an entity attached to him , HE was a very bad kid at times so to speak . He himself was a child with the biggest heart and full of love , but , but something seemed very dark with some of the things he would SAY and his actions . like it was not him . The most memorable instance was when we were playing outside , he stood on top of the snow bank . The look on his face suddenly change to a very very grim SMERK looking at me with the most very strange eyes and said MY name is RILEY in a very very strange tone , as if he had left his mind somehow "btw this is what led me to discover Project Camelot" after that we met someone " whom i think was NOT by CHANCE " and she just met us "she had just started to work at my wifes workplace" and said WOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAA , something is wrong at your home eh ??!!!!!?? just by being near my sons mother !

After about 3-4 cleansing efforst the entity left and felt like 10 worlds lifted off our backs " this behaviour had brought me and my wifes relationship to complete catastrophe , nothing went wrong as severe demonic backlashes or anything of the sorts . but we felt the darkness or whatever the hell it was just eave and our child has been the most amazing caring child their could ever be , but he is still a child and loves to fool around and be a pain in the ass hihihihhi just like me hahahah

[Healthy Skeptic]

I agree with the skeptic...
I had a cousin (now deceased) whose children used a Ouiga board, and unknowingly contacted her dead high school sweetheart. The first thing he told my cousin was to get rid of the board and NEVER let her kids use it again. Seems he had to keep some malevolent spirits at bay that day. He told her that automatic handwriting was the way to go. BUT, I must stress here that I also have an aunt who tried automatic handwriting a few times, and the last time she almost lost her mind. Seems she is what is referred to as an "open channel", and cannot regulate the intensity or amount of contact. I happened to be at her house on that fateful day, and I can tell you she was plenty traumatized. BOTTOM LINE... don't try this at home folks.

I re-iterate!! Please don't 'stuff around' with things you don't understand unless you have somebody around that has experienced these things to 'guide' you.
Apart from what I have told you about people getting 'weird', there are also people that have 'returned' to my life that have undergone 'complete personality changes'.
ie. One minute 'kind and caring' people to 'Death to all the Infedels' people.
Please, somebody, explain it 'To Me'. I still cannot 'figure out' this 'transformation'.
This was only after their Ouiga Board 'experiences'.

[lightning23]

:closed::closed:

[DeDukshyn]

I've been reading everyone's posts here since I last visited (about 2 pages). It seems there is a split between a few people who think the Ouji opens portals, and those who believe that fearful people playing with it open portals. Also, the belief has been advanced that if there is no fear then there will be no problem with the board.

I'd like to advance an idea which seems like it might be true about this whole thing. What if the Ouji board was created with an intention? What if the original creators of it wished to contact dead people, ghosts, etc. Could the original intention be affecting the way the Ouji works in opening portals?

Sometimes I have this same thought regarding fiat currency. Each time I hold a dollar bill I am aware of all of the occult symbols on it. Just what was the intention of the people who created this weird symbol of abundance with all the occult symbols. Many people have a difficult time generating money... could the original makers have put their intentions into the making of the currency? If they designed it so that they would be rich and everyone else would be poor then ... when others use the money they are playing in the field of energy and intention (magic) created by the original makers.

Of course this thread is not about money... it is about the Ouji. I just wished to point out how successful the creators of money have become, and probably because they set the original energy and the original rules of playing with fiat currency. So.... when we play with the Ouji are we playing in the arena of rules, expectations, and energy set by the original designers?

It seems that if this hypothesis is correct, there could be some people who are strong enough to overcome these patterns and force the Ouji to their will. However, those of us who are unaware of the energies which surround the object (Ouiji) are at risk when playing with it?

There is also a thought that the problem may lie in asking something outside of ourselves for answers. This is something like giving our power away. If this is true, then using the Ouji with the clear understanding that we are contacting our own unconscious information pool may be a safe way of playing with it. However there are many methods of finding our own unconscious answers, such as muscle testing or holding a question in mind, that are very effective without the potential problems the Ouji is famous for.

Finally, I would like to say one other thing. I have noticed that many people can be effected by astral beings. It is the astral beings themselves which resonate with fear. The people effected begin to think they are afraid whereas, in many cases, it is not they who are PRODUCING the fear but the entities. They are simply experiencing the energy of fear that is created by the entities who are bothering them.

What do you think?

Our entire reality works this way, and only our beliefs can change these effects on the collective consciousness - and this is what we must do -- nullify the effect with love - because fear gives these effects their power. My 2 cents ;)

EDIT: and on your last paragraph, I 100% completely disagree. They only power dark forces have over light are the when they create fear in them. They have no powers of their own as they are created of illusion (Ego (capitalized) or religiously personified: Satan)

EDIT: EDIT: I re-read your post a couple times and actually I don't completely disagree - I misunderstood a little. But ultimately we are focusing mechanisms and we need to learn to remember how to control this power as our perceptions are our creations - a feedback loop, if you will, so when the perspective shifts, so does the creation ... oops, off on a rant that likely doesn't make much sense to most ...

[DNA]

I´m with you. Evolved entities rarely communicate trough these kind of devices.

Mostly, you´ll get in touch only with mid-low astral entities, who will just feed from your energy. Once they get addicted to it, you will have some problems.

Jane Roberts started channelling Seth with a Ouija board.
Some of the highest level stuff I've ever seen.
The Micheal Teachings came through a Ouija board.
The Michael Teachings are some of the most incredible methods for veiwing reality I've ever seen, and amazingly simple and to the point.

I think folks who fear the lower astral would be suprised at how often those entities are in their lives anyway.
Being afraid of the lower astral is like being afraid of germs.
It's something that is always present anyway, so why not do what you want to do, just wash your hands afterwards. :)

[DeDukshyn]

In reflection of what DNA said above - these beings are here always trying to control you whether you are using a ouija board or not - they do not come from "someplace" when called with a Ouija board, the Ouija board is merely the tool (placebo) that provides the belief required to be able to use an innate ability to communicate with non-physical beings that has been conditioned out of us in favor of our physical senses and the physical world. It may as well be something completely different -- you just have to believe it does what you want it to do strongly enough. Exactly the way Voodoo curses work - you just have to have a really convincing curse and hope that seed grows into fear in the receiver (often subconsciously), then the receiver's fear creates the rest of the effect - it is just a fear game.

Ouija boards generally achieve their effect because as Dawn touched on earlier, there is a bit of a consensus in the collective consciousness that the Ouija board does this - so that collective belief is strong enough to give this effect. Our whole reality is created and sustained in this way - the collective "knowing" something creates its reality. Now consider that the elite don't give a crap about individuals but only seek to sway the beliefs and "facts" of the collective (via mass media and mass propaganda touted as "facts") and from that conditioning we create their reality for them. The ancient symbols that the Illuminati put into our mass media were put into our collective consciousness by ancient societies that either figured this stuff out or were given the information - it carries on to this day to keep the collective consciousness hypnotized and thus under their control. Info wars are ending, the belief wars are beginning ... Only raising the levels of love (vibrations) in the collective and reducing the fear will break us out of this collective hypnosis - this is beginning to happen ;)

Also, just reading the thread, it's easy to see a strong correlation between a fear or lack thereof of the Ouija board and the experience the user has with it. Hint, Hint. ;) My 2 cents.

[Mandala]

I haven't read all this thread but I remembered seeing it. I found this post recently on ATS. It is about someone who had a bd experience with a Ouija board.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread776310/pg1