they are not going to say its a test 11-9-11....... why?

[Pete]

:gossip: think this needs to be out there, the more people that know the better.

just to be on the safe side...............dutch seems pretty cool to me.

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[shadowstalker]

dutch should have put Captions up considering what he just said near the end of his video.

[Bauzer]

I'm told by a friend there are lots of odd things happening on this date already.

I know there is that YU55 Asteroid thats supposed to be flying by the day before..

There was some talk although I can't confirm any of it.. regarding a meteor shower occurring because of some debris from Elenin's tail. Although I know there are reports it was all ripped apart and such.

But something that really sort of gave me an 'aha' moment was that I came across this the other day

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-11-sun-stormy-benevolent-monster.html

Seems there is a huge sunspot that is being overactive, and already shooting massive solar ejections out.. its supposed to be pointing at us come the 8th or so.

If the power is turned off... can a solar ejection/emp take out the grid?

Well anyway.. it made me think. How about you?

[jcocks]

Sounds like we're going to have an interesting week no matter what :) Fun!

[Seikou-Kishi]

If the power is turned off... can a solar ejection/emp take out the grid?


Yes, an EMP could take out the grid even if there were no power in it. EMPs damage electrical systems by causing electrical induction inside the wires. An EMP would cause electricity to appear inside an otherwise powerless system. The principle of electrical induction is what allows transformers to function: a transformer is actually two separate electrical circuits, the first is connected to the 'to-be-transformed' power source, the second to an item to be powered. When electricity flows through the first circuit, it travels through a wire coiled around a metallic core. This electrical activity around the metal creates a temporary magnet (hence 'electromagnet') and it is the magnetic field around this temporary magnet which induces electricity in the second system.

Effectively, electricity in the first series becomes photonic energy (electromagnetic radiation) which transforms back to electricity in the second series (the step down or step up in power between the systems is the result of a difference in the number of coils the two circuits make around the shared electromagnetic core.

Electrical energy --> Photonic Energy --> Electrical energy

That is the way it works in an electrical transformer. The reason an EMP will do that, even in an unpowered system, is because the electro-magnetic pulse is exactly that: a burst of electromagnetic radiation, or photonic energy. In this scenario, instead of the EM field being created by a first electrical system, it is created by the solar flare, atom bomb, etc., and induces electricity in the wires in the same way.

Of course, when we use transformers it is to ensure that our systems get enough energy to power them and no more — any more destroys the system. A river can hold only so much water before the banks break and it's the same for electricity — it's why we have fuses in our houses and electrical systems, a built-in weak point designed to blow to protect the rest of the system. Now, an EMP is an uncontrolled burst of this energy which induces electrical energy in the system (and isn't moderated by the coil-to-coil ratio found in a transformer).


So, so sorry to Pete for this digression on his thread but I thought this was an important point that needed addressing for Bauzer and anybody else reading this wondering the same. (It's not necessarily the worst digression if people are predicting EMPs for 11/11/11 though lol)

[ThePythonicCow]

The reason an EMP will do that, even in an unpowered system, is because the electro-magnetic pulse is exactly that: a burst of electromagnetic radiation, or photonic energy. In this scenario, instead of the EM field being created by a first electrical system, it is created by the solar flare, atom bomb, etc., and induces electricity in the wires in the same way (by means of the photo-electric effect).
I'd have figured that "long wires", serving as antennae, were a more common way for EMP pulses to generate damaging electrical currents.

Consider for example the Carrington Super Flare of 1859 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859), which sent strong electrical curents through telegraph lines, even with their batteries disconnected. These were DC systems, with no transformers.

On the other hand, I would expect that a spare transformer, disconnected from the grid, would survive an EMP fairly easily. Even a PC in its usual FCC Class B enclosure and disconnected from any wires should have a good chance.

[Seikou-Kishi]

I'd have figured that "long wires", serving as antennae, were a more common way for EMP pulses to generate damaging electrical currents.
Incidentally, electrical induction can only occur in closed systems (which is why transformers work and why they have a + and - wire in them like everything else — just in this case the two wires are two ends of the same wire). Therefore, if you disconnect any electrical systems you have, they will not be effected by an EMP, though in complex electronics, like computers, there will be circuits within the devices themselves which cannot be disconnected, and electrical induction could occur as well in those as in any other unless some material in the device shields those particular circuits.


Consider for example the Carrington Super Flare of 1859 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859), which sent strong electrical curents through telegraph lines, even with their batteries disconnected. These were DC systems, with no transformers.

Yes, an EMP will induce electricity in any kind of system, AC or DC. The distinction between AC and DC systems is also not an issue when those systems are inactive — A tea cup or a coffee cup is just a cup until the tea or coffee is put in (that is, current can't be AC or DC when it's not there lol).



On the other hand, I would expect that a spare transformer, disconnected from the grid, would survive an EMP fairly easily. Even a PC in its usual FCC Class B enclosure and disconnected from any wires should have a good chance.

Certainly nothing is completely vulnerable to an EMP-induced electrical surge; anything sufficiently sealed against electromagnetic radiation (either through shielding layers like the bomb shelter's lead lining or through being within a faraday cage which will absorb the EMR) will remain unscathed

[Pete]

bearing in mind the fact that dutch's site messed with yesterday, this was my post on friday, Could indicate why they were concerned?

[Bauzer]

Thanks for the clarification on that Seikou-Kishi. I thought that was the case, but i wasn't certain and didn't want to assume.

One reason why I'm not too concerned is when a solar flare is emitted, we have about 12 minutes or so before it gets to us... if I recall. Now unless someone is using Yellowbook to see in to the future and see what is about to happen. I don't see a mass EMP taking all our systems out.

I got a friend thats already planning on running for the hills on Wednesday. I'm not too worried though. Not yet anyway.

Its pretty suspicious if you do some more digging, as there are so many things happening around this time frame..

[jcocks]

Hoagland seems to think NASA are going to be launching a rocket to intercept/take a closer look at the asteroid coming past ...

I've tried to look but can't find any corroborating information.... Anyone else know about this?

[Bauzer]

So far the closest I could see where this chunk of conspiracy theory seemed to cross in our timeline is that around the same time that YU55 passed us around -At the point of closest approach today at 3:28 p.m. PST-.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/asteroids/news/yu55-20111108.html

Interestingly enough an earthquake happened around the same time but 24 hours difference here. Could the timezones just be the difference

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/usb0006lpm.php


And of course we all should know about the extreme weather in alaska. Also kind of near this area... where you say... well..

that red X in that video! perhaps that wasnt a crashing point but the point where it was to be closest to us. Can anyone determine where exactly geographically, it flew over.

[christian]

Alex Jones played a recording of what the test sounded like. It was full of parasitic noise, I guess it would be technically possible to produce a decent quality output, so I assume it was meant to sound distorted to terrorize people, that's how I felt it sounded. Like in a scenario, where after all hell broke loose, a signal barely makes it through the airwaves and into the radios and is barely intelligible, preconditioning the people right now. Break your conditioning :)