What Is A Shaman and What Does A Shaman Do?

[Ishtar]

This is my first topic as a new member, and so please forgive me if this subject has already been covered. A look around this forum tells me that it hasn’t been, but I may have missed it. I have, however, found much about extra-terrestrial contact which involves spaceships and in some cases, much discomfort and lying in trays of gel for days on end. So I thought that news about an easy and simple way to achieve intra-dimensional contact with the spirits might be welcomed. That way is called shamanism, and it was successfully used by our ancestors to contact the spirits for hundreds of thousands of years before being morphed into the Mystery religions and then driven completetely underground by the Roman Emperor Constantine in the 4th century CE.

Shamanism, or shamanic healing, is making a come back today and I’ve been a practising shaman for a number of years.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/gillharley/Ishtars%20Gate/LAST%20FM/Shaman2.jpg

(That wasn't me, by the way! ;) )

So what is a shaman and what does a shaman do?

A shaman is someone who crosses into other dimensions where he obtains information, guidance and healing from the benevolent entities that he meets in those dimensions. These entities have been given many names throughout history — devas, spirits and gods to name but a few. The Sumerians called them the Annunaki.

The shaman then brings this information, guidance and healing that he gleans from these entities back to his tribe or community.

The shaman crosses into other dimensions while in a trance state. This is what’s known as the shamanic journey. It is not a physical journey. The shaman’s physical body does not go on a journey. If you saw a shaman crossing into another dimension, all you would see is his body prone on the floor looking like someone who’s asleep — except for the occasional twitch as power surges through him.

The trance state is also known to scientists as the theta state. They have found that if a person is exposed to a certain rhythm (between 4 and 7 beats per second), their brain will enter the theta state. This is why shamans use drums, and the beating of the drum is the usual, classical way that a shaman enters a trance — although there are many other ways, including the ingestion of psychotropic herbs (soma and ayuhasca to name to be two).



The shaman lives in two simultaneous realities: the inner dream space in which spiritual encounters transform perception of the external world, and the external world which becomes the stage on which the shaman acts out his divine purpose as healer. Each time the shaman enters trance for the good of patients and community and confronts the agents of affliction, there is psychological integration for the shaman. The shaman brings together heaven and earth, spirit and humankind. Shamanism appears in every culture. Amongst Tibetan people, it predates (and is woven into) Buddhist philosophy and practice, and is a vital and living wisdom tradition practiced from ancient times into present day.

From The Ghe-Wa (Tibetan Death Rite) for Pau Karma Wang Chuk Namgyal, by Larry Peters (for Shaman's Drum.)

But why am I not called a shawoman?

I am not called a shawoman because the ‘man’ bit of the Siberian word ‘shaman’ does not refer to the male of the species. So it is not a gender specific word and that’s why a bunch of shamans are not called a bunch of shamen. The correct collective noun would be a bunch of shamans. Or a gaggle of shamans … or something like that.

Anyway, as mentioned, the word ‘shaman’ comes from Siberia. But thousands of years ago, there were shamanic practises of one kind or another all over the world, in every populated country. And so the shaman and shamanism was known by many different names, and it might be useful to know a few of them, so if the word comes up in different cultures, we’ll know what they’re talking about.

Andean (Quecha) shaman — P’ago
Arab (pre Moslem) — Baksylvk
Australian shamanism — Wulla-mullung
Australian spirit — Budian
Bedouin form of shamanism — Fugara
Celtic shaman - Druid
Chinese shaman —Tang-ki
Hawaiian form of shamanism — Huna Kane
Indian Vedic shaman — Rishi
Indonesian shaman — Dukun
Inuit shaman — Angakok
Jewish shaman — Baal Shem (in Hebrew, it means "Master of the Name")
Korean female shaman — Mondang
Korean shamanic initiation — Nae-Rim-Kut
Lakota spirits — Wakan Tanka
Meso American shaman — Nagual
Nigerian shaman — Babalawo
Norse female shaman —Voelva/Volva/Vala/Seidhkona
Peruvian shaman —Sheripiari
Siberian shaman - Shaman
Tibetan shaman — Pa’wo
Tibetan shamanism — Bonpo
Turkish shaman — Sahir-þairl
Ukrainian female shaman — Znakharka
Voodoo female shaman — Mambo
West African spirits — Kontomblé

If you have any questions about any of this, please do ask as I’m always happy to help.

[Mod Edit: I'm sorry that I needed to delete the links to articles written by Ishtar in this post. Unfortunately they violated the Forum Guidelines for personal promotion, however I have encouraged Ishtar to copy them for all of us without the attached advertising.... Dawn ]

Thanks, Dawn, and I apologise for breaking the guidelines. I wasn't intending it as personal promotion but to help, but I can see how it would have looked because the links went to a blog that in the sidebar, promoted my services as a shaman. I entirely understand and won't do it again.)

Mod Edit: Ishtar, you are an amazing woman and I am so happy to have you in the Avalon Forum. Newbies can make mistakes without apologies. I am glad you are so open to changing... Much love.... Dawn

[Cidersomerset]

Welcome Ishtar a good subject to start with.....................

With reference to the blood drinking cults I have just watched this weeks 'have I got news for you'
and there was an item about the royal family and that charles can trace his roots back to Vlad the impaler the inspiration for Bram Stokers Dracula stories......

Maybe David Icke is on the money when he is talking about our blood sucking royalty...

At the end of this clip about beautifull Carpathia Charles himself tells the interviewer he is ralated to Vlad the impaler and that he has a 'stake' in the country !!.......Quite witty for him....Steve

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[Sierra]

Thank you Ishtar. :)

This is going to be fascinating reading!

[Lisab]

Thankyou Ishtar looking forward to reading your articles. X

[Castaneda]

Thank you for sharing this Ishtar! As i myself have started my iniations into the Shamanistic traditions i am truly glad that you bring forward this information for all to see! I belive that in the coming times we will all benefit from the ancient teachings:crazy_pilot:

[Amysenthia]

Great post. I will definitely read your articles. Also Welcome!! You picked a very auspicious day to join.

[Fred Steeves]

A shaman is someone who crosses into other dimensions where he obtains information, guidance and healing from the benevolent entities that he meets in those dimensions. These entities have been given many names throughout history — devas, spirits and gods to name but a few. The Sumerians called them the Annunaki.



Hi Ishtar, welcome to Avalon, and nice first thread. Very informative, but I'm wondering how you came to understand the Annunaki in the same light as devas and spirits.

Cheers,
Fred

[ulli]

In 1974 I revisited my first college roommate Solange who was then living in Glastonbury with Rollo Maughling.
Rollo was the most accurate of all the people who had a trance vision about my future. He also performed a powerful healing as I was quite ill at the time.
Did you ever meet him, and would he be considered a shaman? I know he is a Druid.

[Ishtar]

Hi Fred. To answer your question, I remember my last lifetime as a priestess of Ishtar, which is why I was given that name by my spirit guides on my initiation. So some of the things I talk about come from those remembered experiences, the understanding then about the nature and function of the Annunaki being one of them. From those experiences, whenever I read the Enuma Elish or the Descent of Inanna, or any of the Sumerian/Babylonian texts, I'm reminded of what I already know.

I know others have different ideas about Annunaki. I have no wish to quarrel with them, only to talk from own experience. It is my experience that a new back story is being created for humanity now that Christianity has failed as a control measure, and it is one in which the Annunaki are being discredited. I don't believe these stories myself.

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Yes, Ulli, I have heard of Rollo. He was Archdruid of Ynys Witrin (Glastonbury) before I got here. Now the Archdruid is Drew who is very good in that role.

[ulli]

Ishtar,
your thread and your articles are so interesting they deserve to be bumped to the top of the forum.

[misericordia]

Thank you very much Ishtar for the thread and I too look forward to reading your Blog material.

Also, are you familiar by any chance with Franco Santoro who is a member of the Findhorn Foundation in Scotland?

Hope you are well.

[Ishtar]

Thank you very much Ishtar for the thread and I too look forward to reading your Blog material.

Also, are you familiar by any chance with Franco Santoro who is a member of the Findhorn Foundation in Scotland?

Hope you are well.

Hello Misercordia. I'm familiar with the Findhorn Foundation where they work with the elementals and Nature spirits, but I don't know Franco Santoro.

[shamanseeker]

If you’ve like to learn more about shamans, shamanism and shamanic healing, I’ve already written a number of articles, each one going into more depth about the roles of the shaman and the shamanic healer:

[Mod-edit: I had to remove the links referred to here for the reason I stated in the post at the beginning of this thread. I hope Ishtar can include this information again in a format which complies with the Avalon Guidelines..... Dawn]



If you have any questions about any of this, please do ask as I’m always happy to help.

Hello Ishtar, Thank you so much for these links: they are fascinating reading! You explain things in a way that is not only very informative but also easy for everyonel to understand.
I have 2 questions:

You say that if a person wants to become a shaman, they shouldn't wait till they're too old because it's difficult to decalcify the pineal gland when a person is older. I'd like to know if a person decalcifies their pineal gland, does it stay that way when they are older if they are a practicing shaman or does it calcify with increasing age any way?

I was very interested to hear that you think that the Annunaki are benevolent spirits. Is it possible in your opinion that in the terrestrial realm there could be Annunaki- human hybrids who are negative? For those who believe this, there are also Annunaki descendents who are not negative, I believe. Or would these people not be Annunaki but something else in your opinion?
Thanks again!

[Ishtar]

You say that if a person wants to become a shaman, they shouldn't wait till they're too old because it's difficult to decalcify the pineal gland when a person is older. I'd like to know if a person decalcifies their pineal gland, does it stay that way when they are older if they are a practicing shaman or does it calcify with increasing age any way?

I was very interested to hear that you think that the Annunaki are benevolent spirits. Is it possible in your opinion that in the terrestrial realm there could be Annunaki- human hybrids who are negative? For those who believe this, there are also Annunaki descendents who are not negative, I believe. Or would these people not be Annunaki but something else in your opinion?
Thanks again!

Thanks for your thanks, shamanseeker. I'm glad you found this information helpful.

On the pineal gland, like anything in the body, it seizes up with disuse. But once you're using it, it should stay open and clear. It's a question of use it or lose it, I believe. ;)

I can only talk from my own experience about the spirits.

Different entities exist at different frequencies. At the frequency I inhabit these days, I'm unlikely to encounter what are known as 'evil spirits' which are usually just the 'fetches' of magicians who work in their own interests. If you work solely in the interests of the highest good of all, and in line with the Divine Will, you are very much protected by benevolent entities. I also work quite a lot in the Christ Consciousness, which is the ultimate in Truth, Goodness and Beauty. (This is not, by the way, the same as saying that I believe in the historocity of a person called Jesus Christ. But the Christ Consciousness definitely exists and it a wonderful state of being to be in.)

Shamans don't believe in 'evil' as such. What most people would call 'evil', shamans would think of as 'energy in the wrong place'. Here's an example, if you were walking through the jungle and a tiger jumped you from behind, would you call that tiger evil? No, of course... that tiger was just being a tiger, but in this case, you would have been the energy in the wrong place, in other words, you were out of your natural habitat and therefore, it was you that caused the problem.

So when people come to shamans complaining of evil curses or being inflicted with evil spirits, it usually means that they've strayed into one of these lower frequencies somehow and picked up some entity which although it has a perfectly legitimate purpose on Earth, it isn't doing them much good!

Another problem is that magic is no longer recognised as having any power and because of that, magicians can cause all sorts of havoc. I've written about this in Harry Potter and the Deathly Shallows (http://ishtarsgate.wordpress.com/2011/08/17/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-shallows/).

But there's nothing a magician can do that a shaman can't sort out.

So are there evil Anunnaki? Well, there could be Anunnaki that are energy in the wrong place, but if there are, I haven't encountered them. Further, I truly do believe that all talk of the Sumerian gods is a psi-ops campaign to frighten and control us and it is only effective because we've forgotten shamanism and also how to read allegories in mythology (for which we have Christianity to thank).

I hope this helps.

[shamanseeker]

So are there evil Anunnaki? Well, there could be Anunnaki that are energy in the wrong place, but if there are, I haven't encountered them. Further, I truly do believe that all talk of the Sumerian gods is a psi-ops campaign to frighten and control us and it is only effective because we've forgotten shamanism and also how to read allegories in mythology (for which we have Christianity to thank).

I hope this helps.

Thanks for your answers, Ishtar. I agree with what you say. I was just wondering about whether you think that our leaders and royal families are hybrids. From what I've understood they are reptilian-Annunaki hybrids and they aren't exactly working for our good at the moment. I'm certain that the royal bloodlines are reptilian because I have seen this with my own eyes. I suppose it doesn't really matter but I'm curious to know if these reptilians are Annunaki or not.

[Ishtar]

I have no experience, myself, in what you're talking about, Shamanseeker, so I cannot believe in it. I also don't believe entities from one dimension (us) can mate with entities of another dimension (Anunnaki).

I do believe however that we are ruled by predatory bloodlines which includes the royal families of Europe, the Rothchilds, the Warburgs, the Morgans and the Rockefellers etc, but that they are entirely human. I also believe that Psy-Ops campaigns, instituted on their behalf for thousands of years, are to keep us in line and the Anunnaki one and 11-11-11 is the latest one.

I'd be interested to hear what you mean by "I've seen it with my own eyes", because you do realise, I'm sure, that YouTube videos can be altered with special effects to show pretty well anything.

[ulli]

I have no experience, myself, in what you're talking about, Shamanseeker, so I cannot believe in it. I also don't believe entities from one dimension (us) can mate with entities of another dimension (Anunnaki).
.

...how about 'immaculate conception"?

[Ishtar]

Nope... no experience of that either! ;)

[markoid]

Hi Ishtar, thanks for this thread and your writings.. very interesting. Can you elaborate at all on your take on 11 11 11... it has piqued my interest a bit for some reason.

[Ishtar]

Hi Markoid

OK, this will read like a blog post because it is ;) fresh from my blog and written last night:

THE LAYMAN'S GUIDE TO 11-11-11

We keep hearing on the internet about the possibility of invasions by extraterrestrials like the Anunnaki, so I thought I should give some clarification about who these Sumerian gods actually were. Then when the Psy Ops swings fully into gear on 11.11.11, we’ll be better prepared, psychologically, to meet it.

It seems that a new back story is being created for us, now that the old Christianity one has failed. There’s been a drip drip feed over a number of years, which is how Psy Op campaigns usually work, and now this one is building to a crescendo with the release of Darren Lynn Bousman’s latest horror thriller, 11-11-11. I haven’t seen it, but no doubt there will be a huge battle over the Brooklyn Bridge or some other equally iconic monument.

http://ishtarsgate.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/annunaki-2.jpg?w=640&h=297

Darren Lynn Bousman’s says his latest schlock-horror flick 11-11-11 is based on the beliefs of the Acensionist movement of so-called Lightworkers. These beliefs of the Lightworkers are fed and watered by what are purported to be channelled communications from a number of anonymous sources that they have to trustingly believe in, because they’re told that applying critical or sceptical thought will prevent them from being saved. ‘Being saved’ means ascending to the Heavens on 11 November 2011, or 11.11.11.

So in this new back story being prepared for us, the Anunnaki are being labelled as the bad guys and responsible for all the evils of the world going back to Sumerian times. Now, depending upon who you decide to believe, these old Sumerian gods are coming to invade us on their planet Nibiru and will steal our all our women and all our gold, or they’re already here in reptilian form and other ETs are coming to save us from them.

The date 11.11.11 is also being mooted as the Event, a sort of Armageddon-type ET scenario ~ Revelations crossed with the War of the Worlds ~ in which all the good people will ascend to the Heavens.

Sound familiar? As you see, once again, the global elite are using fear and panic, to try to control us, and the script writers haven’t even bothered to come up with a new story. They must be from Hollywood where tried and tested formulas are always preferred over original thought, hence so many sequels. Or they might be written by Scientologists. L. Ron Hubbard had contact with the CIA and was also a prolific science fiction writer.

But in Armageddon II: The Second Coming of the Anunnaki, it’s also quite hilarious to see how all the various disinformation agencies are pedalling different stories about who’s coming to save us. In fact, it seems that the skies are going to be so crowded with the Saviours of Mankind that there may not even be room for the chemtrails!

http://ishtarsgate.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/hawking-aliens.jpg?w=400&h=288

Those who will be queuing up include the Andromeda Council, the Galactic Federation, the Arcuturian Group and the Ascended Masters and the guys from Sirius and the Pleiades… and these are just the main players. You’d have thought that Psy Ops would have got together to agree on their story first …. In a scene straight out of Enoch, I also hear that the Galactic Federation have split and the ‘fallen angels’ have formed the Galactic Council … I’m reminded of that Life of Brian sketch:

Brian: Excuse me. Are you the Judean People’s Front?
Reg: **** off! We’re the People’s Front of Judea

http://ishtarsgate.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/brianlife1.jpg?w=400&h=224


But I remember my last lifetime as a priestess of Ishtar, which is why I was given that name by my spirit guides on my shamanic initiation. So some of the things I talk about come from those remembered experiences, the understanding then about the nature and function of the Anunnaki being one of them. From those experiences, whenever I read the Enuma Elish or The Descent of Inanna Into The Underworld, or any of the Sumerian/Babylonian texts, I’m reminded of what I already know.

In my experience, the ‘gods’ of the old scriptures, such as the Anunnaki, the Fae, the Tuatha da Danaan, the Vedic Asuras etc, are the intradimensional (not extraterrestrial) beings known as the spirits. They were known by many different names in different cultures. The Mystery religions of the late Neolithic period in Egypt and the Middle East turned them into ‘gods’ with human form, just to give them an identity that people could relate to and this includes the Anunnaki.

They are benign beings that live alongside us here ~ they are already here, but in other dimensions, and the shaman contacts them through trance for guidance and information. But I don’ t think they have any plans for landing here in spaceships and kicking out the existing order! However, they are quite easy to make contact with, through shamanic techniques.

What is shamanism?


... AND THEN THE REST OF THE POST GOES INTO MY ORIGINAL POST IN THIS THREAD ABOVE.

[markoid]

Thanks very much Ishtar... great stuff. I notice that you posted your reply at 20:09 :)

[Ishtar]

Thanks very much Ishtar... great stuff. I notice that you posted your reply at 20:09 :)

Well, I only had to copy and paste. :cool:

[markoid]

Hehe... I meant that I added 2+0+0+9.....*cue twilight zone music*

[Ishtar]

Hehe... I meant that I added 2+0+0+9.....*cue twilight zone music*

Oh!! Now we really are down the rabbit hole!

I love it when synchronicity happens. Thanks for pointing it out. :cool:

[mahalall]

Thankyou for your presence Ishtar
An ominous spirit was felt sweeping the land on Friday evening.
Has there been any word as of who was at play in Somerset?

[Ishtar]

Thankyou for your presence Ishtar
An ominous spirit was felt sweeping the land on Friday evening.
Has there been any word as of who was at play in Somerset?

Living in Glastonbury is a bit like living Diagon Alley ... there's always some magician up to something! ;)

Can you tell me more about this ominous spirit? Did you see it or sense it? Where was it sensed? And how would you describe it?

[mahalall]

Leaving in Glastonbury is a bit like living Diagon Alley ... there's always some magician up to something!
Can you tell me more about this ominous spirit? Did you see it or sense it? Where was it sensed? And how would you describe it?

hum the magician circus of glastonbury

19.20 (GMT) friday driving on a motorway (northwest), a quiet moment, collecting oneself for a busy night. The spirit was carried in the wind and rain. No visual perception just sensation of prevailing doom the presence was not from within but was pushing aggressively did not appear or to be directed to this individual. Had no time or energy to entertain and diverted it's attention with a mantra or two. On it travelled. Reached base when a question arose who was evoking that?

[Ishtar]

Living in Glastonbury is a bit like living Diagon Alley ... there's always some magician up to something!
Can you tell me more about this ominous spirit? Did you see it or sense it? Where was it sensed? And how would you describe it?

hum the magician circus of glastonbury

19.20 (GMT) friday driving on a motorway (northwest), a quiet moment, collecting oneself for a busy night. The spirit was carried in the wind and rain. No visual perception just sensation of prevailing doom the presence was not from within but was pushing aggressively did not appear or to be directed to this individual. Had no time or energy to entertain and diverted it's attention with a mantra or two. On it travelled. Reached base when a question arose who was evoking that?

Thanks for sharing that. But I see you're further north up the country, near Lancaster. So I'm wondering why you think this entity emanated from Somerset? Did it somehow 'tell you that'?

[mahalall]

Thanks for sharing that. But I see you're further north up the country, near Lancaster. So I'm wondering why you think this entity emanated from Somerset? Did it somehow 'tell you that'

No direct perception of place just an Avalon calling.
Time to sit, so shall the answer reveal, i'll share when the vision arises.

[grapevine]

Re: What Is A Shaman and What Does A Shaman Do?

Thanks for sharing that. But I see you're further north up the country, near Lancaster. So I'm wondering why you think this entity emanated from Somerset? Did it somehow 'tell you that'
No direct perception of place just an Avalon calling.

Time to sit, so shall the answer reveal, i'll share when the vision arises.

Are you talking about the 35 car pile up on the M5 motorway in Somerset that killed 7 people last Friday?

[amadeus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-lQyGX05hA

[9eagle9]

They are usurpers. Take Britians Royal Family its obvious they subtly usurped from their rightful throne holders of Great Britian because....they're all German....lol. That's obvious--- the underlying mechanics of how that occured go back thousands of years.

Caveats: I personally have not witnessed a reptile. I often wonderd why I had not besides at an energetic level when I observed 'mediums' communicating with entities that were obviously reptilian in appearance. As noted elsewhere one who doesn't work at that vibratory level or is ' tempted' by it typically doens't 'see' reptiles . I'd be concerned for my state of mind if I did without deliberately stepping down into that sort of density without consicously intending to. I have felt people with reptilian energy though. Common everyday street level people and not very often but..

.There are many hybrids in the world. They are many in the world carrying purer non-hybrid blood. There are all sorts of species hidden under the skin . Human form allows all sorts to blend in.

We think we are all the same, all fashioned or created equally. We're not.

Science tells us that there is a reptlian brain in all of us. But how do we know this to be true? Unless all our heads are cut open and autopsied how would we know. One is going based on what they are told. Not for what they have experienced themselves. Knowing that its very unlikely that mass biopsies and autopsies are going to be performed this sort of deception is very easy to carry out.

Why this is not discussed more is because of ego-fear primarily and the notion that we are all created equally when the reality of it, the observational reality, is that we are not. When people became free-er in objectively examing each other's differences back in the sixties and seventies 'they' , shortly after, instituted a policy called Political Correctiness to curb what were observing. So that noticing that perhaps a person of African American persuaion had a different timbre of voice, they were more intangibly 'soulful', a different sort of intangible expression became racist. It became wrong and stereotypical. Basically they instituted a policy that if we didn't pretend that everyone was the same it was racist, it became unlawful to notice bloodline, and racial differences.

You think that's an accident. It's not. Not everyone was created equally. That is not to say entites are not entitled to equal rights, life, liberty and happiness its saying we are not made equally. And that is OBVIOUS. And to pretend that we are , and that means that hybrid and non-human species can easily operate out in the open. Not everyone is human not as we know humans to be. Not every species is operating under the same value systems because they are not engineered to do so. Not all humans are the same, human is a physical form. There's a lot hiding inside that form that is not human ,not as we know 'human' to be. There are people out that look human, they have a human form. But we know the form is the least important part.


The formation of a reptilian brain , as a very base organic ego type functioning unit would be genetic.Form related. Any speicies or race that was adept at dna and genetics could fiddle around and insert the formation of a reptilian mind into ....anyplace. WHY they would do something like that or why they would choose NOT to do something like that is up to you decide. I thnk its pretty obvious.

Not all the worlds population is possessed of a reptilain mind the same way not all people are not possessed of the same bloodlines.. It's an automatic value we assigned ASSUMING that we are all created equally. The Annunaki or whatever they called themselves were genetic adept. Genesis-orgins-genetics. We didn't all come from the same creation matrix (matric-matriarch). Could they develop the formation of reptlian brain. Sure. Ego driven , hoarding , greed, all attributes of the reptilian brain. Does the current monarchies possess those same sorts of attributes. Sure.

Lots of speices have been created all hiding under a base human form. We once had creator speices, slave races, races that rebelled, hybrids. Lots of variants

The Druids were very well informed about DNA and genetics. They were a creator speices. The Druids were not people who chose to be 'religious priests, it was a bloodline. It just expressed itself. A Druid like a shaman is not taught, its a state of being. It just occurs and begins to express itself . Sha-man- hu-man. Think about that. Wo-man. Man. Prefixes are very important (smile)

The Druids understood not eveyrone was created equally, or made the same way, they came from a bloodline and were among the creator species or people and they often times held thrones. I'm just giving you one perspective, druid people (creator species) existed elsewhere in the world in different cultures and different names). Consequently.....we know that most druids were wiped out not because they were pagan, but because they were sprung from a certain sort of ancient race that would oppose the usurption of their heredity bloodline. The Vatican is obviously a kingdom and it was going to destroy other thrones and replace them with those who served the ..Vatican and who held that throne, as one example.


Those who currenty are holding thrones are doing so in a way that is obvious that the reptile mind is dominate as opposed to the Eld-red (old bloods) that held thrones in a nuturing creative way. They were creator species that nutured their creations. This is where the true concept of a King and Queen being Patriahcal and Matriachal came from, where the monarchy were like parents. Are faery tales of kindly giving kings and queens are not stories.

They had expressions, by their own design, these imposter throne holders only mimic. A show of concern while they engage in reptile mind practices. Greed, hoarding, dominance. Talking to their children (subjects) with great concern but treating them like slaves. Queen Mum.

So what do you think? . How they usurped was among other things through the formation of the reptilian mind. They are not the ONLY race / or species that played with genetics.

A much different topic of discussion how certain bloodlines emerged into druids, and sha-mans and other 'by-expression-humanoids,so I wont take the thread any more off topic but to reply to your question. The druids made sure their bloodlines became self persering through various means because they were creation species. Those who are not ....have to use other means , sleight of hand tricks to keep what is not rightfully theirs.




So are there evil Anunnaki? Well, there could be Anunnaki that are energy in the wrong place, but if there are, I haven't encountered them. Further, I truly do believe that all talk of the Sumerian gods is a psi-ops campaign to frighten and control us and it is only effective because we've forgotten shamanism and also how to read allegories in mythology (for which we have Christianity to thank).

I hope this helps.

Thanks for your answers, Ishtar. I agree with what you say. I was just wondering about whether you think that our leaders and royal families are hybrids. From what I've understood they are reptilian-Annunaki hybrids and they aren't exactly working for our good at the moment. I'm certain that the royal bloodlines are reptilian because I have seen this with my own eyes. I suppose it doesn't really matter but I'm curious to know if these reptilians are Annunaki or not.

[Ishtar]

I personally have not witnessed a reptile.

This is continually what I'm finding. It's quite disappointing. I've also found the same on my blog. People say to me 'yes, there are definitely reptiles or reptile-hybrids' but when I ask them 'Have you seen them? What was it like? Where did you see them? What did they say" and so on, the reply always comes back that they haven't actually seen one, but that they believe it anyway.

I have chosen not to believe what I cannot experience through my own five senses on this Earth, or even this solar system ...

I see plenty of strange creatures in my journeys between worlds or dimensions ... there is every kind of life imaginable. But so far, in my experience, the dimensional walls are holding and keeping us all in our rightful domains. If those walls came down, we would be in utter and terrifying chaos... but I'm not expecting that to happen.

That there is a global elite which is manipulating us with scare stories, like this reptile one, as they have done for thousands of years, is not in doubt. But in my experience, they are human manipulators.

[motherlove]

Thank you for the info Ishtar and welcome. In the article Harry Potter and the Deathly Shallows there was reference to the redemption of family blood. Where would I find more information on this as the subject has been in my field of awareness for quite some time.
Best Wishes.

[Ishtar]

Hello motherlove,

Thank you for reading my blog and asking that very important question.

However, it's not one I can give quick answers to, as it's an ongoing piece of work with me with which I'm also using alchemy to transform my DNA.

I will say however, that I'm working with my Ancestors in order to achieve the redemption of the family blood.

You might already know that shamanic journeying techniques put you in touch with your Ancestors, and I've met mine going back thousands of years. There was a particular curse on the family bloodline because a smith (my ancestor Smith on my father's mother's side) offended a shaman. I removed this curse on Samhain in 2010 and I was sent the information that it was removed instantly, as I threw it into the Samhain fire. But it had taken a lot of work by the spirits to orchestrate that event and everyone had to be in the right place at the time.

All I can recommend, if you want to do this work, is that you contact your Ancestors through shamanic trance, and they will lead you. They may possibly be already leading you, by attracting you to the read my article about it.

Lovely to talk to you,

Ishtar x

[9eagle9]

Well yes when we told something we want to believe we can create a reality from it. A perception. Thats how all our belief systems work, which why I stay away from belief and beleiving. WHY though? I mean I observe people rolling around in this whole reptile thing as if its the most important thing in the world--- even people who are well known 'authorities'. If they were really an authority on the matter they'd see how unimportant it is. Tell us what the mechanics behind the whole reptile thing are instead of making such a issue over the reptiles themselves.

But neither do I dismiss people who have claimed to have seen them for themselves ,based on my own experiences....I can understand how they are experiencing those sorts of things. That doesn't mean its important though. The same way I understand why those who have never had the experience believe in reptiles without having the experience of them. The same reason they believe in religions or believe anything. False idols. They are getting somethign from it. Its sorta the whole devil concept all over again. Veneration through fear and temptation. Succumbing to an authority on the matter. The same way we've always been duped. Not to say it doesn't exist it just doesn't exist the way people have imagined it to exist. One may see a reptile but do they really know what they are seeing?

but those who haven't but have chosen to shape their beliefs based on an idea instead of experience tend to make things worse. And that is by design. It's been designed to happen that way. These reptilian energies have a purpose by design and it is meant to be merely a distraction. That's why its so ego dense and ego manipulative its meant to influence fear mechanisms. I've seen whole threads in here devoted to the 'importance' of reptilians , that just giving them more importance and more power to distract from something that may be a more productive. Depending on how strongly our higher intelligence is expressed it tends to direct us to experiences relative to that expression. Sure its fine to experience these things for informational purposes but the kicker is how much importance we attach it. Its' very important to know how these this whole reptile paradigm works. But that doesn't mean we have to attach importance to reptiles. The imporant thing is who and why this occuring because other constructs are built in the same way.

One aspect of understanding this whole paradigm is about morphology, projections--shapeshifting. Perhaps not at a physical level most morphing is conducted at a level that others can't percieve. But ....Shapeshifting is known to run along certain bloodlines (dna and genetics )but its not just reptiles that have this sort morphologial manifestion but REPTILE is the current 'flavor'. to distract from other manifestations. That is what they are intended for.

I shapeshift. Its only imporant to me, its a self presevation mechanism, as certain bloodlines have aspects that are self preserving by design in various ways. Gentics and DNA are in part responsible for preserving 'human' population. Any species that has dna has a self preservation function in place. What I shift into isn't imporant and its not imporatant outisde my realms of existence. HOW I'm doing it may be because morphology all works the same way. What one shifts into and why its occuring is imporant. It may mporant to other people HOW I'm doing this. I don't do it to distract I do it to deflect.

An example: You could look at person who has potential physically and etherically to shift into something that can't be desribed as human (not just reptiles) but not see anything amisss at that moment. When internal or external influence is applied ..they could shift. Sometimes their own density prevents them from doing so. So in one respect i agree with certain dimensions containing their own.

Its very much about being at the right place at the right time. I depend on my higher intellgience to put me at the right place at the right time and ......since I've not osberved this for myself its not important to me. Neither is it necessary for me to have an obviated physical manifestaion of a reptile. Observing a reptilian manifesation would be the same as watching someone morph into a bear...lol. It doesn't matter what the morph is its how its DONE that is imporant. I already know how this is intiated through my own experience. ....but then again I don't put any importance on them anymore than being just another belief distraction in world raddled from them. Pick your distraction, reptiles, religions what have you. My shapeshifting serves my purpose. Reptilian shapeshigting serves their purpose.

You can sense that imprint on them though. Even getting their dna to speak to you so you know what their unexpressed nature is . I know person who carries this reptilian aspect and her observable mental, physical, and emotional attributes are that of the reptlian mind. Hoarding, Self absorbed, Selfish, parasitical, false sense of power , false sense of entitlment, fearful she knows what to project all her higher value emotions are manfactured. She'd bless you to your face and stab you in the back the moment you turned around, so her inner landscape her inner dimensions are just....yurk. She is very much built around obfuscating and distraction. All cloaked in a facade of light concepts that she TALKS about and has as a belief system but doesn't express. What have I valued from this. To know. Not attach importance on her.

This is far beyond ' a human' with some 'issues'. I've never seen her shift etherically or physically so I wasn't sure what to make of her and tossed it up to higher intelligence to let me know if I were on the right track. I know from what I observe but i have to know what I'm observing so I'm not making things worse. That is where my dna helps me , or rather speaks to me.



So not long after I poised this question ot my higher intelligence, one day this woman approaches me with a DEAD SNAKE skin in her hands and shows it to demonstrate how speical she is to. She attached great meaning to this snake skin in relation to herself and she was right although in the wrong way. I looked at it and then at her and said, Indeed you are. An example of reptiles obscuring the relevancy of Serpents which is related to healing. She's not a healer she's not built for it. A self aborbed person sucks energy which not a healing principal feeding off of those you 'claim' are healing. But she can distract away from demonstrated healing abilities with all her nonsense and she serves her purpose well. That's what she's meant to do. This is simply bringing the whole reptile circus down to street level perception.

Basically put though, the intent of this whole reptile thing is to fool people. To distract them from something that is real. It's a matter of timing and being the right place at the right time to observe this. This I've observed for myself but it wasn't reptiles they were shifting into but I'm sure the same conditions apply. Same ' magick' different intentions.

So in one respect I do agree with one's density preventing them from expressing other dimensions of themselves or prohibiting it. And on another ...no I can't.

In all other respects I disagree, a shaman crosses the boundaries of dimensions so they are not as intact as we'd like to believe and those other higher densities are expressed through shamanic people. We bring them here. One can't say they are entitled to do this and can do this and say that the bondaries contain everything else and those boundaries are only applicable until a shaman crosses them.


The existence that bounaries between dimensions and densities are breaking down is demonstrated by shamanic people. It's already occurred so I can't deny its happening. I can agree that it causes chaos. We're seeing it now this breakdown in other dimesnional boundaries . Ligher less dense dimensions are expressed through shamanic people. Shamanic people facilitate to break down false constructs in healing others--- those are dense dimensions of a person the shaman is directing to break down that create a person's false reality. De-fragmenting.

Less dense expression will break down lower form density. Or one can keep empoweing lower form density and it will keep containing. How the matrix prision endures. We know illusions serve a purpose. Because somethign is REAL or not happening or occuring doesn't mean its IMPORTANT though. Real things can serve illusionary purposes.

That's manifested in a smaller arena when one breaks down the individual density of the inner landscape and something of higher dimensional nature or less dense nature can express. A lot of turmoil is experienced when one's articial constructs , the false beleifs that were imposed on us--a healing crisis or healign chaos--but after the chaos settles a higher form or energy or intellgience can express.


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This is continually what I'm finding. It's quite disappointing. I've also found the same on my blog. People say to me 'yes, there are definitely reptiles or reptile-hybrids' but when I ask them 'Have you seen them? What was it like? Where did you see them? What did they say" and so on, the reply always comes back that they haven't actually seen one, but that they believe it anyway.

I have chosen not to believe what I cannot experience through my own five senses on this Earth, or even this solar system ...

I see plenty of strange creatures in my journeys between worlds or dimensions ... there is every kind of life imaginable. But so far, in my experience, the dimensional walls are holding and keeping us all in our rightful domains. If those walls came down, we would be in utter and terrifying chaos... but I'm not expecting that to happen.

That there is a global elite which is manipulating us with scare stories, like this reptile one, as they have done for thousands of years, is not in doubt. But in my experience, they are human manipulators.[/QUOTE]

[Ishtar]

Hello 9Eagle9

Gosh, you've written a lot .... and far too much for me to comment on in any depth if I'm not to be here until Christmas.
;)

But I would like to respond to this:

"The existence that boundaries between dimensions and densities are breaking down is demonstrated by shamanic people..." because it runs entirely counter to my experience.

The boundaries between dimensions and densities are not breaking down and are strong as they've ever been, and there is no intention that they will break down in the future. The spirits in charge of the morphology of our Creation would never allow it and neither is there a single human being on this Earth capable of dissolving them.

Why you're seeing more shamans now, taking journeys through the 'veils', is not because it is a new phenomenom. It is a revival of a phenomenon that's as old as the hills. It is a technique that was practised by our ancestors hundreds of thousands of years ago. This is why you so often find that oldest scriptures, like the Vedas, were written by rishis (Indian shamans) who say that this lore was revealed to them by spirits. You also find this with the Dogon and other indigenous cultures. But unfortunately it gets misunderstood by those with no experience in shamanism and miscast and portrayed as extraterrestrials arriving in spaceships to help man understand about botany, agriculture, minerology, and so on. Even now the South American shamans learn about herbal medicine by communing with the spirits of the plant. This is the way all our earliest ancestors learned ~ direct from spirits through the shamanic experience by travelling through the veils ~ and that involved following certain protocols to cross through the gates. It was these protocols that got lost over the last 2,000 years with first Christianity, and then modern science, both religions (in my view) that either block the way to Spirit or say that Spirit is evil or, in the case of science, that Spirit doesn't exist.

So for 2,000 years, the way has been blocked through the walls between the dimensions ...not because the walls were thicker than they are now but because the protocols and in fact, all the teachings were lost.

Thankfully, though, they were only buried and shamans like me work with the spirits to uncover that learning again, so that we can teach others how to do it.

I really can't make this point strongly enough because I don't want this to be something else that's picked up Psy-Ops and made into a movie to scare us into submission. The walls between the dimensions are not thinning or disappearing. They're as strong as they ever were.

[shamanseeker]

I have no experience, myself, in what you're talking about, Shamanseeker, so I cannot believe in it. I also don't believe entities from one dimension (us) can mate with entities of another dimension (Anunnaki).

I do believe however that we are ruled by predatory bloodlines which includes the royal families of Europe, the Rothchilds, the Warburgs, the Morgans and the Rockefellers etc, but that they are entirely human. I also believe that Psy-Ops campaigns, instituted on their behalf for thousands of years, are to keep us in line and the Anunnaki one and 11-11-11 is the latest one.

I'd be interested to hear what you mean by "I've seen it with my own eyes", because you do realise, I'm sure, that YouTube videos can be altered with special effects to show pretty well anything.


Hi Ishtar,
It wasn't a You-tube video. I know a woman who is a direct descendent of the royal Stuarts. She's a doctor and she said she wanted to help me. She put me on a diet that would have ruined my health completely if I'd continued with it. I realized in time what she was doing and she got really angry with me and threatened me: she said I was going to get diabetes and die. I got angry and stopped seeing her. I saw her one day and she shapeshifted!

[shamanseeker]

But neither do I dismiss people who have claimed to have seen them for themselves ,based on my own experiences....I can understand how they are experiencing those sorts of things. That doesn't mean its important though. The same way I understand why those who have never had the experience believe in reptiles without having the experience of them. The same reason they believe in religions or believe anything. False idols. They are getting somethign from it. Its sorta the whole devil concept all over again. Veneration through fear and temptation. Succumbing to an authority on the matter. The same way we've always been duped. Not to say it doesn't exist it just doesn't exist the way people have imagined it to exist. One may see a reptile but do they really know what they are seeing?

Hi 9eagle9,
Maybe it isn't that important if they are reptilian or not but if you saw one shapeshifting, I'm sure you'd being asking questions yourself. I am very interested in shamanism and would like to study it. I think it's perfectly normal for me to ask Ishtar about this as she said she doesn't believe that they exist, don't you?
Best wishes

[Eagle]

But neither do I dismiss people who have claimed to have seen them for themselves ,based on my own experiences....I can understand how they are experiencing those sorts of things. That doesn't mean its important though. The same way I understand why those who have never had the experience believe in reptiles without having the experience of them. The same reason they believe in religions or believe anything. False idols. They are getting somethign from it. Its sorta the whole devil concept all over again. Veneration through fear and temptation. Succumbing to an authority on the matter. The same way we've always been duped. Not to say it doesn't exist it just doesn't exist the way people have imagined it to exist. One may see a reptile but do they really know what they are seeing?

Hi 9eagle9,
Maybe it isn't that important if they are reptilian or not but if you saw one shapeshifting, I'm sure you'd being asking questions yourself. I am very interested in shamanism and would like to study it. I think it's perfectly normal for me to ask Ishtar about this as she said she doesn't believe that they exist, don't you?
Best wishes

The Shaman that has worked with me has told me of them(Reptiles) she as also alluded to the creation of the devil around 36,000 years ago

[shamanseeker]

But neither do I dismiss people who have claimed to have seen them for themselves ,based on my own experiences....I can understand how they are experiencing those sorts of things. That doesn't mean its important though. The same way I understand why those who have never had the experience believe in reptiles without having the experience of them. The same reason they believe in religions or believe anything. False idols. They are getting somethign from it. Its sorta the whole devil concept all over again. Veneration through fear and temptation. Succumbing to an authority on the matter. The same way we've always been duped. Not to say it doesn't exist it just doesn't exist the way people have imagined it to exist. One may see a reptile but do they really know what they are seeing?

Hi 9eagle9,
Maybe it isn't that important if they are reptilian or not but if you saw one shapeshifting, I'm sure you'd being asking questions yourself. I am very interested in shamanism and would like to study it. I think it's perfectly normal for me to ask Ishtar about this as she said she doesn't believe that they exist, don't you?
Best wishes

The Shaman that has worked with me has told me of them(Reptiles) she as also alluded to the creation of the devil around 36,000 years ago

Thanks Dig!
Credo Mutwa the African Sanusi or shaman has also had dealings with them. They are talked about a lot in Africa.

[Decibellistics]

I'm a huge proponent of Narby's view that you are actually communicating with your DNA if you see the snakes in DMT/Ayahuasca space. As for reptillians.....I haven't seen em....but I sure as **** can feel em.

[Ishtar]

I'm a huge proponent of Narby's view that you are actually communicating with your DNA if you see the snakes in DMT/Ayahuasca space. As for reptillians.....I haven't seen em....but I sure as **** can feel em.

Hi Deceibellistics

Yes, I've also seen these reptiles in the other dimensions, but they are firmly there, in the Other Worlds, and not here.

I love Jeremy Narby's book, I think it was a seminal work.

Here's a small review of it from my site.


The Cosmic Serpent - DNA and the Origins of Knowledge by Jeremy Narby The author works through a number of fields - molecular biology, shamanism, neurology and ancient mythology - to discover that ancient shamanic cultures, from the Australian Aborigines to the Egyptians, have known for millennia about the double helix structure of DNA. He found Peruvian shamans who commune with the data contained in the language of the DNA of plants, which they refer to as 'spirit'. In other words, the spirit of the plant 'talks to them', to reveal its medicinal properties.

There is another confusion about serpents/reptiles in the past which I believe comes from a misunderstanding about how to read myths ...

There was, at one time in the Neolithic period, a Serpent Cult of which the wise teachers, such as the Sumerian Ea, were known as serpents. This fed through to Druidic times, with one of the higher levels of Druid teachers being known as Adders. The story of Arthur Pendragon came from this strata ... Pen means 'head' in Celtic, and 'dragon' is the serpent. So head serpent in this context means head wise teacher.

I think the wise teachers were also dubbed 'serpents' because they knew how to work with the serpent or dragon lines of energy, known as leylines today. Even today, shamans and Druids work with these dragon currents, and can move them. I've been recently working with a Druid who's moved both the Michael and Mary lines, in line with the higher spirits of the Divine Will. It's very beautiful and special work, and I feel privileged to be a part of it.

Of course, our intertwined, serpentine DNA could be seen metaphorically as the leylines of our bodies. Working to upgrade our DNA could be compared to moving or strengthening a leyline.

[9eagle9]

sorry for the length of my posts. Our conditioning is as such that we come to expect little sound bites --instant gratification cultures--but in actuality getting closer to the truth takes a little bit more time to express. To your perception and experience that may very well be your reality.

But it is apparent that barriers and boundaries are coming down. Shamanism never went anywhere its a state of being, not a revival or phenomenon. A show although shamanism is quickly become a show, a bit of entertaiment for the gulllible. Its a state of being that expresses itself naturally once the barriers that prevent that expression come down. It's not dependent on social revival or culture. Shamans typically didn't billboard themselves because humanity had Burning Times and the Inquistion....so it may appear that its a revival but it never went anywhere.

When something is no longer blocking or barring the way to spirit, doesn't the barrier come down? yet you state barriers can't come down. That's two opposing core values and they are Judeo Christian in nature, false contructs imbedded in the human psyche and returned to always .


So you see why your statements appear to contradict themselves to me. A shaman may express they are beings that have lost their mind because there are certain elements to the mind, like the ego that doesn't allow shamanic expression. A barrier. A sort of joke to lose one's mind. Not they are mentally ill, they've broken certain barriers within themselves to be able access and traverse other dimensions of themselves. Humans have different dimensions to them. I know some percieve that dimensions are places and that one has to 'go somewhere' to retrieve a soul but a soul doesn't go anywhere, its constant state that one's common perception can't experience because of certain barriers. Are we suggesting those barriers shouldn't come down? You alternately implying they should but they can't.

Regardless of what we think or believe, or how contradictory our beliefs are, they are.


For others who breakdown these barriers it's a different experience .

And if you work with spirits that may be very well what they have told you, but what have they demonstrated to you, as evidence or rather what can be shown.... is a different matter. Spirits tell me a lot of things, but until they show me something do something they are just talking heads. I don't assign a spirit of automatically having authority over my expression. Spirits are not an authority on anything unless we choose to make them do so . So there a discernement value with working with spirits. I used disernment with working with spirits that are still permeating a physical shell and that value holds true with non physical spirits. What gives a spirit authority? The authority we give to it.

. The creation is matrices are in part contained within us. You break down the barriers and it expresses itself. It's hidden in the open. In lots of places its been fragemented and hidden in places like mathematics, astrology, tarot, religions, alchemy, science, numerology, genetics, symbology, elements (chemistry) psychology, physics. These are things we are possessed of and can create from when we start pulling the fragments deposited in each modality back together. Instead they have been pitted against each other. This makes this accessible to people , not squirreled away in a place that may only exist in someone's mind or guarded by jealous spirits. That a judeo-Christian value that creation is kept by spirits.

The breaking down of barriers is demonstrated in many ways. Demonstrated means its shown, not talked about. Expressed.

If it can be shown then one can't deny its occuring unless one does not believe what they are observing or aren't aware of what they are observing. It's happening all around and has been for a very long time. Show someone how to observe an aura and they've broken down a barrier that previously prevented them from observing that dimension of another person or themselves. Usually that barrier was created by a belief. It is very easy to bring down that barrier. An aura is simply another dimensions ourselves. A non physical one. Like consciouness. The physical body represents three dimensions , an aura another, consciousness, another all permeating each other. Among others. Easily demonstrated in large ways and in small how dimensions are broke down. Humans once didn't know what consciouness was or understand how it pertained to them. Now they do; that barrier is coming down and as it comes down we find consciouness is not infalliable. We find out what occurs in consciouness is created by.

If you are working with spirits you've broken down a barrier, a blockage .

But that doesn't mean I need to trust what they TELL me anymore than I trust what a 3d person tells me. What they demonstrate to me is another matter. A belief doesn't DO anything. Creative properties do. Plant essence (spirits) demonstrate a lot. Show a lot. Shamans use plant spirit helpers for that reason. They break down barriers so people can experience a different dimension of themselves. If the shaman could do that on their own without the plant helper why bring the plant spirit into the equation? The plant has demonstrated it can DO something.

Doing that has certain healing properties attached to it but basically that is what is occuring when a shaman takes right with its plant spirit helpers. Because they show something or do something evidential not just a thought, an idea, or a belief that really do anything but can create more barriers.

Not everyone observes how non physical dimensions permeate this one. Or rather dimensions of varying densities. Densities have to come down, barriers. There's many dimensions and facets to individuals that they will never experience because of these barriers. Some people will bring those barriers down so...the barriers can come down. Individuals demonstrate this every day. There's many dimensions to people and some are not real , they were imposed on us. Take away the physical aspect and what remains is the constant, the spirit. One observes when another person dies, the physical shell is no longer permeated by the animation, the essence the spirit, but animation still remains. The presence. What being in the present correlates to. And casting off this physical shell is not release from a barrier? The animation didn't go anywhere, some dense dimensions fell away from it 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

You are of course entitled to your belief but a belief is an idea ,a thought ,but I find the thought that spirits jealously guarding secrets the same value as the Vatican guarding secrets . Who does that serve? What good does it do us they are jealously guarding secrets and not allowing us access to other dimensions which we are basically caught or stuck in this one. With no other recourse. I know that not to be true. If it is true there's no point to attempting to free ourelves because we are not our own jailers but something else is.

So you will see why your statements appear to contradict themselves to me. I'm sure the notions of barriers serve Psy-ops as well as any other density they aren't overly picky. And how psy ops works is targeting the barriers, and blockages within us. Usually fear based. They manipulate people with bull****, even positive sounding bull****. ESPECIALLY positive sounding bull****.

[Ishtar]

9eagle9 ~ there may be a difference of semantics here.

The barriers or walls are not coming down, but the protocols which are needed for the shaman to guide his apprentice through the gates are now becoming available to us again. Or perhaps we could use the word 'portal'? In order to pass through the portals in these walls, you need the guidance of a shaman. It's as if you were going into a stranger's house. You wouldn't go in without being invited or with a friend who has been invited.

Historically, the walls between the dimensions become slightly thinner ~ although never on the point of dissolving completely ~ at certain times of the year. The ancients knew about these special times and so timed their festival or Holy-days for those times. We have just passed through one, on October 31st/November1st. The Celtics called that special time Samhain, and the Christians co-opted it as All Hallows Eve or Halloween. That's why people dress up as ghosts and witches and demons on Halloween....it's a Christian misunderstanding about pagan rites and the world of spirit, but nevertheless, that time is still marked.

It would be terrible if the walls all came tumbling down, but luckily there's no danger of it. You just need a shaman to guide you through the gate or the portal.

Thanks for your interest and my point about your posts being long was in no way a criticism but meant as an apology for being unable to answer everything.

[Arrowwind]

But I would like to respond to this:

"The existence that boundaries between dimensions and densities are breaking down is demonstrated by shamanic people..." because it runs entirely counter to my experience.

The boundaries between dimensions and densities are not breaking down and are strong as they've ever been, and there is no intention that they will break down in the future. The spirits in charge of the morphology of our Creation would never allow it and neither is there a single human being on this Earth capable of dissolving them.

Why you're seeing more shamans now, taking journeys through the 'veils', is not because it is a new phenomenom. It is a revival of a phenomenon that's as old as the hills. It is a technique that was practised by our ancestors hundreds of thousands of years ago. This is why you so often find that oldest scriptures, like the Vedas, were written by rishis (Indian shamans) who say that this lore was revealed to them by spirits. You also find this with the Dogon and other indigenous cultures. But unfortunately it gets misunderstood by those with no experience in shamanism and miscast and portrayed as extraterrestrials arriving in spaceships to help man understand about botany, agriculture, minerology, and so on. Even now the South American shamans learn about herbal medicine by communing with the spirits of the plant. This is the way all our earliest ancestors learned ~ direct from spirits through the shamanic experience by travelling through the veils ~ and that involved following certain protocols to cross through the gates. It was these protocols that got lost over the last 2,000 years with first Christianity, and then modern science, both religions (in my view) that either block the way to Spirit or say that Spirit is evil or, in the case of science, that Spirit doesn't exist.

So for 2,000 years, the way has been blocked through the walls between the dimensions ...not because the walls were thicker than they are now but because the protocols and in fact, all the teachings were lost.

Thankfully, though, they were only buried and shamans like me work with the spirits to uncover that learning again, so that we can teach others how to do it.

I really can't make this point strongly enough because I don't want this to be something else that's picked up Psy-Ops and made into a movie to scare us into submission. The walls between the dimensions are not thinning or disappearing. They're as strong as they ever were.

Yes, I really agree with you here. This is very ancient knowledge and some people are shamanistic intuitively, likely having learned the skills in past lives. It was a more natural state of being at one time,, and in essence, in more recent earth history, it is what the catholic church has been fighting against since inception... hence the attacks on the pagans and women who had power and all those who had more earth based wisdoms.. as shamanism is earth based. When you are connected in knowledge with the earth that opens access to many levels of experience for the mother earth is integrated and a multidimensional home for many types of entities and her children are multifaceted

Nope, Ive never seen a reptilian.. that I am aware of.. not in 3D or other levels. I do suppose what you encounter will be based on your intent and what you wish to experience or your general level of vibration. I have encountered demons though... and done battle with that... and did win... or so it seems, as I am intact and feel impenetrable to such energies. I really don't know why I went though that exccept for some karmic workings out needed to be done.. It convinced me that they do exist... and so I could assume that for those who have experienced reptilians it would be similar. Although they exist they are banished from my reality...demons that is... and reptilians too as well as anyone who would do me harm.

[Arrowwind]

When something is no longer blocking or barring the way to spirit, doesn't the barrier come down? yet you state barriers can't come down. That's two opposing core values and they are Judeo Christian in nature, false contructs imbedded in the human psyche and returned to always .

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Seems to me that the only barriers are the ones instilled in people though false beliefs. Train children right and there is no barrier only the need to develop experience. There is no intrinsic barrior between worlds... this type of barrier is constructed by people who have wanted to control people. The door is as open as it always has been. Its just a matter of choosing to walk through it. Many people have shamanistic experience and have no word for what they experience and have walked though the door regardless of what programming was directed their way. Shamanism is not limited to "credentialed" shamans, it is a part of human nature easily accessible to those who seek such experience and who have not been repressed by the thought police....

[9eagle9]

There is another confusion about serpents/reptiles in the past which I believe comes from a misunderstanding about how to read myths ...

There was, at one time in the Neolithic period, a Serpent Cult of which the wise teachers, such as the Sumerian Ea, were known as serpents. This fed through to Druidic times, with one of the higher levels of Druid teachers being known as Adders. The story of Arthur Pendragon came from this strata ... Pen means 'head' in Celtic, and 'dragon' is the serpent. So head serpent in this context means head wise teacher.


Bingo. What I noted before , reptilians were introduced to blur and cast confusion . In this case what Serpent really means. Some connections can be made in mythology but the bloodline was self preserving ering and expresses itself. Not a cult-ure though, a bloodline, it was a race of people, , who also been assigned such unfavorable and diminishing values like elf, faery, and vampire in the past and now the flavor of the year is reptile. They engaged in blood rites and sex rites--manifesations of creation matrices which have been horribly sensationalized. Which is why Avalon had suspicions cast on it , it was filled with all sort of Serpents and there was a risk a Serpent, or a hybrid of, may repopulate the thrones setting a precedence that bloodlines that had hereditary 'rite' to throne elsewhere may reclaim what was there if the Pendragon monarchy was allowed to prevail.

Gwynyfar didn't fail to bear chlldren for Arthur. She refused to have sex with him because his bloodline was Serpent. Sex and blood rites. A rather naive attempt to kill off a bloodline. Or was it? It was a power play. Pendragon demonstrated he didn't hold much with religious convention when he impregnated Arthurs mother who was allegedly from Avalon. The whole Pendragon story is obviously about keepign a certain bloodline on the throne. The bloodline was preserved in bastard children....because that bloodline is self preserving. But it was no longer on the throne. Some other oppressed people and de-throned blood lines may 'get' ideas if that were allowed to happen. It was allowed to be beleived that the bloodline died, but ...bloodlines have branches. Even the Pict DNA is still our there roaming about somewhere.

Conversely Gwynyfar could have born children and her people who were not of a bloodline could have scooped up the throne claiming her rites as Queen.

the serpent people among other bloodlines are beginning to re-emerge so I'm sure someone is aware of this and wants to cast mistrust on what on that expression. Namely the world's power brokers that use occult means to manipulate things. Serpent people will even the playing field a bit...actually a lot.

Plant mistrust now because that bloodline is emerging again...among others.

[9eagle9]

9eagle9 ~ there may be a difference of semantics here.

The barriers or walls are not coming down, but the protocols which are needed for the shaman to guide his apprentice through the gates are now becoming available to us again. Or perhaps we could use the word 'portal'? In order to pass through the portals in these walls, you need the guidance of a shaman. It's as if you were going into a stranger's house. You wouldn't go in without being invited or with a friend who has been invited.

Historically, the walls between the dimensions become slightly thinner ~ although never on the point of dissolving completely ~ at certain times of the year. The ancients knew about these special times and so timed their festival or Holy-days for those times. We have just passed through one, on October 31st/November1st. The Celtics called that special time Samhain, and the Christians co-opted it as All Hallows Eve or Halloween. That's why people dress up as ghosts and witches and demons on Halloween....it's a Christian misunderstanding about pagan rites and the world of spirit, but nevertheless, that time is still marked.

It would be terrible if the walls all came tumbling down, but luckily there's no danger of it. You just need a shaman to guide you through the gate or the portal.

Thanks for your interest and my point about your posts being long was in no way a criticism but meant as an apology for being unable to answer everything.

Okay Semantics. But still a portal is an egress an opening, you've broken through to the otherside.. If a barrier can be broken and they are meant to be, because higher dimensional (less dense energies) are what breaks down dense energy. Constructs. Dense thoughforms.

So what prevents me from opening a portal and ushering the energy from other dimensions into this one. Nothing intrinsic as Arrow stated. Or for someone less well intentioned to usher in denser energies what lay people call dark energy into this one. Happens all the time. Chruches still have hell mouths in them. There are people who are portals --organic portals ---and non organic portals.

People accidentally express this without ever being consciously aware they are shamans or maybe they aren't shamans, per say, so if a shaman were always necessary no one would have these spontaneous experiences. A shaman could facilitate this experience so the person could safely navigate or be guided so the experience is productive and not traumatic but it happens spontaneously. i mean people have NDE and think they went to hell. Who opened the portal for them. Those people have one thing in common that expereince that sort of traumatic circumstance.

Less dense energies breakdown denser ones. A very basic principal of healign that is found on the spiritual and Portals are used for passage into but one can use it as a channel in a manner of speaking to bring less dense or perhaps denser energies here. So I find little protective value in the barrier idea. I agree if people's perceptions broke down enough to percieve multi dimensions at once chaos would insue as their world was stripped of all the illusion of perceptional reality. Nothing would appear as they had known it to be. I can agree that those barriers are not going to come down unless someone has the willingess to do what is necessary to take them down. So no I have great confidence that all dimensions being revealed to us is not going to occur with any sort of haste. Or at once.

On a smaller scale healers find this chaos as a healing crisis when one suddenly has their barriers and filters whisked away. Those barriers were created over millenia very likely unless some cosmic event of such force were to happen they will come down gradually. There is a great psychic trauma that needs to be abated. Psy-ops is not a new thing.

Samhain the eleven day period on the Druidic solar / lunar tree calendar. Alleged to be when the veil between worlds or dimensions is thinned. If there are many worlds there must be many veils. So what is occuring at this time of year during this 11 day period that allows that thinning? Does anyone KNOW because a lot of people are under the impression that Samhain lasts for a day. Because there is a reason of alchemical value that was important to the druids based on the environment. There is an alchemical and spiritual and conscious value here that intersect at this time of year .The druids observed it and found it favorable. It wasn't something that just happened there was reason for the timing of it. I mean I fully know how and why this was distorted and why Christian Rites of all saints day were inserted into this time frame but what is occuring at that time of year that allows this to happen? That's all ---something expresses itself. By observing one's environment one is able to see what it is. They have to know what they are seeing though. Why did they encourage lay people to costume? to tempt and to deflect.

Can this be accomplished in Australia when Samhain is the spring time. Don't know. Never tried it in Australia . But I'm sure the aborignal people there had a similar rite.

[shamanseeker]

Hi Ishtar,
I understand the logic in what you say about the Serpent Cult and that the head dragon just meant a wise teacher. This is a possibility I can consider, but we do not know for certain, or do we? (I am asking quite respectfully and not using sarcasm.) It is only a theory after all, or maybe it isn’t.
Isn’t it strange that a lot of people who have seen shapeshifters know nothing about the bloodlines that are running the world but it is they that they see shapeshifting?
How can we know for certain that the reptiles only exist in other dimensions? Is this a certainty?
How can we be sure, Arrowind, they are just an expression of our own demons? Again, I accept that this is a possibility but it is also a theory isn’t it?
9eagle9, how can we be sure that the “reptilians were introduced to blur and cast confusion”, especially as there have been shamans who have been seeing them for centuries”?
What I don’t understand is your absolute conviction that what you say is right. We can decide to differ and not exclude any one person’s point of view and say this is what we have experienced and this is what we believe. If what you have stated is not just a theory then I am open to hear about it.
Best wishes

[Ishtar]

What I don’t understand is your absolute conviction that what you say is right. We can decide to differ and not exclude any one person’s point of view and say this is what we have experienced and this is what we believe. If what you have stated is not just a theory then I am open to hear about it.
Best wishes

Hi Shamanseeker,

I hope you don't mind if I mention here that we were talking in private messages, and you asked me some questions that others had been unwilling to answer for you? Do you remember my reply? It was that once you learn to talk with the spirits, you can ask these questions yourself and further that asking your spirits these questions, and the answers they give you, will be part of your path. I should have added that the spirits are all-knowing and the more you work with them, you realise that they are never wrong and that whatever guidance they're sending through you will be correct. That's where the conviction comes from, but it could never be so rock solid with something you just learned as a theory.

There are many questions that I shouldn't and don't attempt to answer here, because they're the sort of answers that have to be experienced rather than heard or read in words, and these are the kinds of answers you get from Spirit. And then once you have experienced the answers for yourself, you will own that knowledge as much as you own your own heart and your soul, and so then whatever anyone else says, you know the truth and you remain rock solid in it.

So I often and mainly remain silent to much of what I hear and read ... even though I may appear to have written a lot of posts in the short time I've been here, it's not as much as it looks, because I can and do think and write very fast and very deep because of my relationship with the spirits. Very often, they're writing through me. It's not channelling, but they're using what I know and helping me to organise the information in a certain way, to make it helpful to whoever I'm talking to. They tell me when to write, and when to be quiet... and mainly they're telling me to be quiet. So although I may appear to be saying a lot, there's a lot more I'm not saying.

[shamanseeker]

I'm very sorry if I offended you Ishtar. That was not my intention at all. I just hadn't connected what you told me with this and I am sorry. I asked quite respectfully and am sorry if I gave the wrong impression. Now you have answered, I understand.
I have never thought you are interested in selling yourself and have only been seeking answers here. I have enjoyed the articles on your site very much and learnt a lot from them. I tend to be very curious and am genuinely seeking answers. I do not want justifications, I just wanted to know if they were theories and in fact I added 'maybe it isn't' meaning I really accepted the possibility that it wasn't a theory after all.

[Ishtar]

I'm very sorry if I offended you Ishtar. That was not my intention at all. I just hadn't connected what you told me with this and I am sorry. I asked quite respectfully and am sorry if I gave the wrong impression. Now you have answered, I understand.
I have never thought you are interested in selling yourself and have only been seeking answers here. I have enjoyed the articles on your site very much and learnt a lot from them. I tend to be very curious and am genuinely seeking answers. I do not want justifications, I just wanted to know if they were theories and in fact I added 'maybe it isn't' meaning I really accepted the possibility that it wasn't a theory after all.

Oh dear! :o See, this is the trouble with words, especially words delivered with no other body language signals available, so that you couldn't see that I was smiling as I wrote it.

:boom:

Even the phone would be better, because then at least you'd hear my tone of voice. This is also why I refuse to engage with phone texts... a recipe for communication breakdown if ever I saw one.:(

You haven't offended me in the least, I promise you. I obviously put that last paragraph more bluntly than I meant it. Now that I think about it... it wasn't so much a reaction to anything you said, but a wider statement of intent. So please don't worry.

Ishtar x

[Ishtar]

There.... I've taken it out, and I do apologise if I caused any misunderstanding, Shamanseeker.

[9eagle9]

No 'we' don't know for certain. I'm sticking it out there for others to make their mind up about in a way that take the mysticism out of it and makes it more accessible to others. People know a lot and I redirect them back to what THEY already KNOW. What is KNOWn has been experienced.

People who demonstrate the attributes of the Serpent people know for certain. Because they experience it. And they were experiencing it BEFORE they knew they were remnants of race known as the Serpent Children.

9eagle9, how can we be sure that the “reptilians were introduced to blur and cast confusion”, especially as there have been shamans who have been seeing them for centuries”?

Okay how are you sure that shamans have been seeing reptiles for centuries? But if I accept that as a basis for a counter point....and I will for the moment....the fact that anyone has been seeing them for centuries is probably a bit of a clue...not coincidental and the fact that a snake is in the Bible , deceiving adam and eve is probably a bit of clue there as well..Who would most want the Serpents to be discedited..Oh....the church. Catholic Church. And I'll be damned there was the Catholic Church and one of its agents driving the Serpents out of Ireland. Geez well I'm seeing an emerging pattern here....and a motive.

As noted earlier how one inteprets myths, literally, figuratively or by the emerging patterns that start to manifest.

Opposing core values: Why is the serpent alternately a representation of deception but at the same time a symbol worthy of veneration. In the medical field, in spiritual precepts. When Moses faced off with Pharoah what did his staff turn into? So should I not question the Bible...lol? .

The serpent in the Garden in Eden was assigned a value of deciever by ....who? Who was the great deciever? Satan and Satan is represented in Genesis by a .....snake? A reptile?..or ...a Serpent? Yes they've doing this for a very long time. It's just took a hip new swerve in the last twenty years or so....with the advent of reptilians as we have been exposed to them. Aliens, species , offspring of the annunaki.. or Serpents? If somoene didn't know what the difference was, how would they Know? When people don't know they are easily fooled. By illusions.

And .... Is that what these centuries old shamans said? That they were seeing 'Reptiles?" Did they describe them as reptiles? Or ...was the assumption made in the present that what the shaman described was ...a reptile. Modern interpetation? Snakes, dragons, crocodiles. Or did they state, they were reptiles. I'm prettty sure that sort of sophisticated modern zoological language is not found in ancient shamanic accounts. .Who assigned that value?

Who assigned that value when many of these tellings were made in oral tradions? Not written down. Probably the interpretor?.based on descriptions it very likely it was the modern audience. A good portion of those interpretors aren't shamanic. They are people who see something and interpret it through their filters. Lay people.

We are going by what 'shaman's were describing. We assigned the value of reptilian . Perhaps they are not reptiles like in the zoological sense but something that resembles a reptile that we know today? yes. Because, all of us, are bit more anthropologically and zoologically savvy now. A northern european ancient 'shaman' is more than likely not going to know what a crocodile was if they observed it in any form, enegetically or physically, unless they were well traveled in southerly climates. What they described as a crocodile or a dragon or a snake would have been reinterpreted in the modern world as a rather generic term.........reptile.

Shamanism never went underground there are many accounts of female shamanis in Japan practicing in mainstream society up until WW2. It went underground in WESTERN society. Our Cult-ture dictated it was not mainstream acceptable and there is reason for that going back to the word Sha-man which didn't really orginate in Russia but ......was associated as having Russian origins...Western Culture and Russian Culture was for a time ..if one remembers... engaged in a cold war , discrediting each other as ...the great satan...lol. Prior to the Cold War ...spiritulism of any sort was alive and well and in the mainstream of society here in the US. Google if you can an issue of Psychology Today predating1940 and tell us what was on the covers. All about spiritulism and not in debunking or fraudulent terms. Back up a little. Mark Twain describes his experiences with 'mind cures'. We've only buried these sorts of things in the last two generations in the west. Else where they have been and always been if not numerous but at least alive and well.


I am disagreeing based on the opposing values that were expressed.I have thanked people for thier input regardless if I disagree it or not. Medicine people debate all the time knowing the dangers of falling into complacency and forming belief systems about what they are observing. I questioned the contradictions that were given , the concepts not the person.

Why would anyone simply make agreement without challenging or questioning .Because that is what humans are conditoned to do. One then expects to accept anything based on PC or blind faith. And if you truly believed that you'd not have questioned my statements which you are more than welcome to do thank you,

And if you want to see evidence of a reptile go visit a zoo. if you want to an energeict manifestation of one sink your beliefs in with that lot. Eventually someone will come around that will conjure one up for you either wittingly or unwittingly.

if Ishtar is a shaman, Ishtar is well accustomed to debating, being challenged and having to confront subjects of a challenging nature. Its part of the territory.

No not strange that people are observing shapeshifting. Much of it intiates on a energetic level and lots of people can observe energy movement. Its bloodline related but mythos has relegated it to pseudo mysticism and myths like werewolves and fables that are distortions and recantings by primitive historians.


One expects that if we are spiritually evolving towards a higher intelligence that we are finally achieving it...yes? or was all this spiritual work performed to remain as ignorant as we were a thousand years ago? That perhaps our search for higher intelligience results in just that...lol. I'm sure lay people think of ghost stories and old myths first when exposed to shapeshifting manifestations and accounts of, and not connecting it with bloodlines. If one has not had the experience of the shape shifting then I guess its left up to speculation and guessing on the part of those who haven't.For those who have experienced it...things may be a bit more definitive.

Shapeshifting has symptoms like telekinetic activity and poltergeist activity. So even those who have experienced it don't know what they are experiencing because of all the BS floating out there about it conjectured by those who never had the experience of it.

[Ishtar]

My experience is that shamans don't in fact like to debate, and I debate more than most because I've been given the role of envoy by my spirits. But most shamans of my experience will not bother with this kind of debate at all, because they feel it's pointless to exchange views with people whose views are limited by their experience, and that the only way to correct that limitation is to expand it by having the experience of walking between worlds through shamanic practises.

I'm trying to think of an analogy. I do find, for example, it's a little bit like, if you can imagine, an explorer in the 12th century setting off on the seas by sailing boat and discovering Australia. Then he comes back and tries to explain to everyone back home about this wonderful land of opportunity he's just discovered and why don't they all go together with him to see it? But he meets with disbelief and ridicule... mainly because he has shaken their world view. And this is what I so often find... when what I say shakes the world view of the listener they can sometimes get angry, or start ridiculing me or even I remember once one had a complete meltdown.

So there are times when I find myself in agreement with the shamans who say it's a waste of time debating with those who haven't experienced the shamanic journey into the three dimensions, known to us as the Upper World, the Middle World and the Lower World/Underworld because how can anyone possibly have an opinion about what is found there and what is learned there unless they have been there? But on the other hand, I feel that I do have to try to explain because it is the loss of the connection with Spirit, which is regained through the shamanic journey, which is at the root of much of the suffering of the world today. This disconnection with spirit is ... well dispiriting, and is the cause of much depression, confusion and fear ... which is normal.

If you don't know why you're here, how you got here, what the purpose is of your being here, where you'll be going to after you leave here ~ all answers to which can be gained through shamanic practice ~ then of course you are fearful, depressed and confused and medicating oneself against these conditions with, say, valium or Prozac, will not make it go away. Your heritage has been taken from you and you won't rest until you get it back. Good for you!

If I can help anyone with reconnecting with their heritage, please do message me and I can put you in touch with a shaman teacher in your area.

[mahalall]

Hi Ishtar,
Dimensional Guardians (or doorman to put it simply)
What advice would a Shaman give to the lone intrepid adventurer?

[Ishtar]

Hi Ishtar,
Dimensional Guardians (or doorman to put it simply)
What advice would a Shaman give to the lone intrepid adventurer?

Three simple words: DON'T DO IT.:eek:

[mahalall]

Not even with pure volition?

[Ishtar]

Mahalall, I'm not here to tell anyone what to do.

But if asked for my advice I will give it, as I just have, and there's are no special cases or special pleading because these are natural laws.

In the Sixties, which I DO remember, we took psychotropics with no guidance from those who had gone before to achieve these states. But shooting up on the Jefferson Starship was like taking a battering ram to the Doors of Perception, and many people burned out through that experience, some of them quite famously like Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin etc.

Others I know have terrible health problems from raising their Kundalini too fast.

You wouldn't go into the Amazon jungle without a knowledgable guide who knew the safest pathways through. You wouldn't drive a car without having lessons and passing your test. You wouldn't build a Hadron Collider without years and years of training in physics. In fact, there's very little we do in this life which we were not taught about or trained in by teachers of one kind or another. So why take risks?

There are shaman teachers now that will guide people and I can help you find one, if you would like that.

[mahalall]

Thankyou for the referral invitation, I'm sure it would be an invaluable experience.

Your right about the health problems about raising kundalini to fast.
On being thrown out by the doorman it could be worse they could keep you locked in.

p.s acceptance of the snake has helped my viewing.

[Ishtar]

p.s acceptance of the snake has helped my viewing.

The wise teacher serpent has come to you then? That's very good!

[Fred Steeves]

But most shamans of my experience will not bother with this kind of debate at all, because they feel it's pointless to exchange views with people whose views are limited by their experience, and that the only way to correct that limitation is to expand it by having the experience of walking between worlds through shamanic practises.


Hi Ishtar, I'm forced into the unenviable perdicament of having to jump into the middle of a conversation between the spiritually advanced, but I have to ask this: What kind of people exactly are you referring to as being "limited by their experience"? Do shamans not suffer from limitations in their experience? Just wondering how this works.

Thanks and Cheers,
Fred

[Ishtar]

Hi Fred,

It's quite simple really.

You live in Dunedin, Florida. I've never been to Dunedin, Florida therefore I am limited in my experience of Dunedin, Florida and so you would know more about Dunedin, Florida than me.

The shaman, through trance, journeys into what have been referred to by shamans worldwide, going way back into history, as the Three Worlds of Upper World, Middle World and Lower World. These Three Worlds are in fact extradimensional locations which are only accessible through journeying a certain way and with specific protocols in place. So, naturally, people who haven't journeyed in this way to the Three Worlds are limited in their experience of what these places are like.

By the way, this isn't about someone being better than another, or holier than thou, which is the sort of dichotomy religions try to set up. It's just about where you've been and what you've seen.

I bet Dunedin is a pretty cool place, hey? But of course, I wouldn't know.;)

Hope this helps.

[Eagle]

Ishtar, It is very hard for people to understand the role a Shaman or in some cases a Physic/Medium take. I have worked with two of those disciplines now and I will tell you Shamans are closer to reality then the latter. with that being said you can explain to someone all day long about dimensions, portals, and such but in the end they still may walk away with a totaly differnet concept then what you tried to explain to them. Understand thier fear when you say that something is absolute. this is the fear they teach in Religion. Your Journey is one of the hardest because of the simple fact your trying to change thousands of years of conditioning and DNA manipulation. keep smiling my friend and keep helping those who stand in need.

[Ishtar]

Thank you so much, Dig. I have no illusions about how hard it is, having been digging and ploughing this row for quite a few years now. So it's always wonderful to get support and understanding, and for yours I'm very grateful.

[9eagle9]

What you can do now is start examining your core values and core belief systems that you have . You don't need a shaman to do that although most do this if they are adept at working with human psyche,. Even going to a Al Anon regardless if you didn't come from a place of substance abuse is helpful. Or someone who is good at rooting out core values that may be distracting you from your authentic self. Or find someone who is adept at core belief work and/or cellular memory to help you . Espeically if you have come from a place of trauma, abuse, emotional or mental chaos. Abuse is so covert that nearly everyone has been instilled with a belief that is limiting. A clean inner landscape helps raise one's natural defenses when doing dimensional work. You don't have to become defensive 'out there' if there is nothing to defend. Doing this on it's own teaches us how to shift perspective--shift our perception-- and gets us in touch with our authentic selves that are very adept at doing this sort of thing that you want to do.

Work with your higher self. You may not be able to hear it but it hears you very well. It is YOU. This is intializing a break down of the first barriers, the one's within us. This is learning authority with other aspects of yourself because if you don't have it here you won't have it out there . Demonstrate some willingness to work with spiritual beginning with your own. If you are not willing to work with your own spirit you're not demonstrating willingness to work elsewhere. If you can't ID what is not authentic in you, you will have a hard time out there. Tell it your plans, your goals, ask for its help and give it something to do. Your higher intelligience knows what to do, start giving it something to do on this dimension. it typicaly doesn't respond in terms of saying things back to you but DOING something. Some startling things an begin to happen. When you are ready to proceed ask for very vivid strong physical sign that in no way can be misconstrued as anything but what it is.

At night meditate on calling back peices of yourself, this a form of mental traveling where you back through the day and take back your personal that you may invested in conflicts, in trauma events, aggravations. Everything that was an energy expenditure. Make this a habit too. Its a very basic form of what some people view as a soul retrieval . You can go back further and further addressing damaging situations , draining situations that hold values of grief, anger, depression, anything that drains one of energy , and you can go back as far as you remember. Wash your energy as it comes back to you. Some people like to do this a salt bath or sweat lodge so they can focus on the mental travel and not worrying about energy wash.

Find out where you came from physically. Your nationalities. Study the traditonal medicine people of all the races you may be composed of.

And on that note get in the pratice of 'bathing'. Salt bathing , Sweat Lodges things of that nature. You can smoke at home with some tobacco, sage and sweet grass or simply drying cedar . the more we clean up our inner landscape the more is projected into our outer field to be cleaned up.

Mind excercizes and focus on softening attachment to the physical body . We become so attached and give it so much importance that its very hard to untether ourselves from it. People often work on conscious OBE . People OBE spontaneously while sleeping. They leave while they are asleep because the conscious mind has the attachment not the unconscious mind. If have ever had one of the states where you are very mentally and perhaps physically tired but too tired nearly to go to sleep , use that condition to practice OBE. When the mental body is tired its easier for it to deatch. OBE is not the same as dimensional travel as we tend not to leave the physical . Don't have a goal or an intention when you do this. Dont' judge your experience we tend to expect great things when we OBE but sometimes it just flying up and down the hallway. There's also a form of hypnosis called Ultra Height that allows one to leave their body and be conscious of the event the entire time. And one can do a whole bunch of self healing in that state.

What are you strongest attributes and your weaknessses. Mental attributes both weak and strong shape our dimensional experiences. we have to know what they are though so a lot of self reflection. One goes out there in the wholest state possible .

Shamans often work with plant spirit helpers and they will help you too. I prefer essential oils, concentrated plant essence (spirits). You don't have have altered states of consiousness when working with plant spirits. But they do effect consciouness and cellular memory so working with them helps to prepare one's inner landscape by lifting up false belief and trickster thoughtforms within one's self. Anything of an ever green nature is helpful, spruce, cedar or combinations of evergreen essences.

All of this will begin effecting some unusual results on it's own and demonstrates a willingess to go other places .Consider this your first journey sort of like you are preparing to move into a new house. It begins to intiate a huge life change and we don't someone standing over us to intiate these of things. it makes the whole transition easier and its something if you beging working with guided dimensional travel you will asked to do if the person you are working with is responsible.

Approach everything you taouch and do with a sense of honor and sacredness. You are a sacred person get in the habit now of viewing yourself that way and everything you touch as you going through these processes as honorable and sacred and a helper on your journey. This is YOUR journey and the first step is most important. If you don't treat sacred on this dimension then you won't be treated sacred on others. Establish yourself now. When are ready to have the assitance of a medicine person don't be afraid to question them.

They are people not higher life forms. Not everyone out there who says they are a shaman are a shaman. Its become a generalized label. Some are shamanic practitioners, they practice things that shamans do. Question deeply the more they know about themselves the more they are going to know about you.

If they have their own self authority on themselves they won't mind being questioned and will welcome it because it shows them you are willing to honor yourself. Get in the habit of questioning. You are a making an announcement to the universe your willingess to honor yourself. This all about self honor and self authenticity.. They should able to clearly and with precision answer questions, show you someting, give you something to do, and evaluate you , everyone has pecular strength or nimble ability and sometimes we are not aware of them or aware of them as such . Precision is a key word here , medicine people who work with human psyche are very precise. Intialize a discussion with them concerning your goals and cement your goals to yourself and them. We are only our own experince and sometimes our little quirks become mundane to us. A medicine person will help to bring that forward and reframe it in a way that is most beneficial to you in the future. Describe to them the work that you've already done because they will if they are responsbile begin intializing your own plan of self work. This is about YOU. Much of your intial work will be about you .

[Ishtar]

That's extremely good advice, 9eagle9 ... there is a lot that can be done to prepare oneself for shamanic work and you've covered a lot of it here.

You mentioned plant medicine, and so I thought you might be interested in hearing about my own results with that. I've been working with old alchemy recipes known to the medieval alchemist Paracelsus as spagryics.

I have published a blog post on this, but I've been asked not to put links to my blog on here, but rather to put the whole post. So as you've raised it, I thought others might like hear about this way of working with the spirits of the plant. Here's the post and I know you won't mind about the length.

My relationship with Saturn often reminds me of the story of the Prodigal Son. The Saturn Return demands a return to ‘home’ at certain periods of our lives, and yet those who are not taught how to work with and surrender to this necessary astrological cycle can face a nervous breakdown.

However, with the right guidance, we can optimise the Saturn Return by learning to enjoy working with one of our oldest spiritual influences going back to Babylonian times.

The Saturn Return is an astrological influence which occurs several times in a person’s life. Each cycle coincides with the approximate time it takes for Saturn to make one orbit around the Sun, which is 29.4 years. This means that we each experience a Saturn Return around the ages of 28-30, 56-60 and 84-90.

It seems to me that Saturn, during a Return, can appear to bring our lives to a complete standstill. Nothing we do seems to work. We feel stunted in our growth and progress, beset with obstacles and obstructed at every turn. This is one of main characteristics of Saturn.

Saturn appears in the Bible as the angel which obstructs Balaam’s ass (see The Origins of Satan). But if you read the story properly, you’ll see that Saturn was doing Balaam a favour by obstructing him. And this is the lesson we all have to learn. We may not like it, but Saturn is acting in our best interests.

Saturn only seems annoying to us when we’re headstrong and not listening to our inner selves. We have to stop, sit down and concentrate on what our life is trying to tell us.

Saturn could be compared to a particularly strict Latin teacher. Yes, the subject matter is difficult and no excuses are accepted for late homework submissions! But once we surrender to this regime, and give this teacher our full concentration, it’s not half so tricky as we thought it might be and there’s also a certain mental satisfaction in the logic being revealed to us and the completion of a job well done in which our Father Time ‘is well-pleased’.

So in recent weeks, I’ve begun to work with Saturn. I’ve been doing this through an alchemical process which brings out the spirit of the herb. The product from this alchemical process is known as a ‘spagyric’.

Spagyrics were first brought to the West by Paracelsus, the medieval alchemist, who re-discovered alchemy in Asia and Egypt after all traces of it were kicked over by the Christians.

Spagyrics are a combination of already-known medicinal products, but one in which the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Most of us are familiar with tinctures of plants, such as Bach’s flower remedies, and salts derived from plants, such as homeopathic remedies. With spagyrics, the tincture (flower remedy) and the salt (homeopathic remedy) are used in combined form, and that’s where where the magic comes in.

Let me explain this by sharing a basic principle of alchemy. Alchemy is based on the principle that everything on Earth (all matter) can be broken down into three components ~ salt, sulphur and mercury. When you combine salt and tincture (salt and sulphur) you create a third thing, known to alchemists as mercury. And as any Tarot reader will tell you, Mercury is the Magician.

This diagram explains the concept.
http://ishtarsgate.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/alchemical-elements.jpg?w=400&h=474

OK, I won’t play up this magical aspect too much because it’s not witchcraft, although witches may make spagyrics. When I use the term ‘magic’, I’m referring to natural processes which work with Spirit, but the doorway to which modern science has bolted shut and thrown away the key. By insisting, as did Hippocrates, the 5th century so-called Father of Medicine, that we only deal with what we can experience through our five senses, the Sixth Sense is banished to the Wasteland and with it, some incredible useful therapeutic remedies which could benefit our mind-body-spirit today.

With spagyrics, the alchemist contacts and works with the soul of the plant in creating an elixir that carries the power of his or her intention not only to quicken their own spiritual evolution, but also that of the plant.

http://ishtarsgate.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/evolution.jpg?w=400&h=514

So how do you make spagyrics?

Well, it’s very easy. You just need some basic kitchen equipment, like kilner jars, a pestle and mortar, some coffee filters, and of course, the basic ingredients ~ the herb and a good quantity of pure grain alcohol. You will also need a planetary chart, and there’s one here.

On a Saturday a few weeks ago, which is the day ruled by Saturn, a friend and I made Horsetail spagyric. Horsetail is one of the oldest herbs on the planet and it is governed by Saturn. These days, it grows to about six feet high but back then, when it was eaten by dinosaurs, it would grow the size of trees.

http://ishtarsgate.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/horsetail.jpg?w=400&h=262

Horsetail is already known to be very good for strengthening and for stability. With its high component of silica, it strengthens hair, teeth, nails, bones and in fact, all the connective tissues, such as tendons and ligaments, which run through the body. I was also pleased to learn that it also supports the spleen as I’ve always had a weak one.

So on the day of Saturn, and the hour of Saturn, we made a prayer to ask that the mysteries of Saturn would be revealed to us through the auspices of the Saturn-governed herb Horsetail, and that the evolution of Horsetail’s soul would be facilitated by this work, as well as our own, in line, of course and as always, with the Divine Will and the highest good of all. Incidentally, it is this way of communing with Spirit during the work that separates the true alchemist from the mere chemist.

We then began to grind small quantities of the herb with a pestle and mortar, the whole time using our power of intention to send a message to the spirit of the plant as to our aims.

After an hour of grinding and pummelling, we poured Horsetail into a clean jar and then covered the herb in pure grain alcohol. Once the herb was covered, we added the same amount of pure grain alcohol again. Then we sealed the jar and put it on the shelf to let it stand.

That evening, the spirit of Horsetail appeared in my vision, smiling. I was surprised to see that she had green skin and bright orange hair but neverthless, was extremely beautiful!

The jar with the herb and alcohol mix stood on a shelf for two weeks, and on each morning and evening, I would give it a good shaking.

Then at the end of the second week, on the day of Saturn (Saturday) and the hour of Saturn, we decanted the mixture and strained it through the coffee filters into a bowl, taking care to extract all the moisture from it. Putting the resulting tincture to one side (which, by now, was smelling like pure heaven!), we took the remains and spread them on a baking tray and put them into an oven set up at the highest possible heat.

I won’t lie to you. My gas bill is going to be horrendous because it took about five hours at least, possibly six, to ‘cook’. At each hour or so, we would open the oven door (carefully!) and inspect the mass on the baking tray. Over time, some of the outer mass appeared to blacken, leaving the inner substance white. And so it was an ongoing process of scraping away the blackened part (alchemists call this stage ‘calcination’ and ‘separation’) until we were left with a mainly white substance known as the salts.

We added the salts to the tincture ~ and hey presto! We had a Horsetail spagyric.

This is me with my friend, Horsetail...
http://ishtarsgate.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/horsetail-picture.png

So what’s it like?

Well, firstly, it tastes delicious. But the next thing I noticed was a feeling of contraction. Everything contracted ~ not just my inner organs but also my sense of reality. It was a tremendous relief, as if I had been roaming far and wide for far too long, just like the Prodigal Son. It was like coming home.

http://ishtarsgate.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/the-prodigal-son.jpg?w=400&h=336

I’ve been having a teaspoon in a tall glass of water every day for a week now, and I’m really feeling the benefit of it. It is like a normal tonic, in that you feel physically strengthened. But unlike a normal tonic, I also feel incredibly strengthened on the mental and spiritual level too.

The spirit of Horsetail has visited several times since the first time, and I can feel her grounding influence on me. She is making me feel that I can fight any battle, if I have to, and that I am firmly rooted in the Earth, which is supporting me. I feel as strong as a dinosaur!

PS I'm currently working on another, Lady's Mantle, who is governed by Venus. That will be ready this Friday and so I'm looking forward to the exploration the Lady Mantle Venus will take me on!

[Fred Steeves]

Hi Fred,

It's quite simple really.

You live in Dunedin, Florida. I've never been to Dunedin, Florida therefore I am limited in my experience of Dunedin, Florida and so you would know more about Dunedin, Florida than me.

The shaman, through trance, journeys into what have been referred to by shamans worldwide, going way back into history, as the Three Worlds of Upper World, Middle World and Lower World. These Three Worlds are in fact extradimensional locations which are only accessible through journeying a certain way and with specific protocols in place. So, naturally, people who haven't journeyed in this way to the Three Worlds are limited in their experience of what these places are like.

By the way, this isn't about someone being better than another, or holier than thou, which is the sort of dichotomy religions try to set up. It's just about where you've been and what you've seen.

I bet Dunedin is a pretty cool place, hey? But of course, I wouldn't know.;)

Hope this helps.

My apologies Ishtar if this is taking your thread off topic, that is not my intent. I'm just genuinely curious about your analogy to where I live in your response. In your quote I referenced about experience, I was lead to believe that you were answering 9eagle9, shamanseeker, or both, in which case it would be comparing experiences on the same playing field, that being the spiritual playing field. That would be comparing apples to apples.

In your analogy to me, you compare the multi-dimensional experience of a shaman, to a given individual's 5 senses experience of their physical location. That seems to be comparing an apple to an orange.

What I'm trying to get at is this: Is the extra-dimensional experience of a shaman considered valid, as opposed to the extra-dimensional experience of a non shaman?

Cheers,
Fred

[9eagle9]

There's a lot of medicine people, shamans, druidic or people of that naure in this forum who are currently engaged in debate. They may not be announcing themselves as such but on can tell by their expression. So perhaps you will be embarking on a new experience for your self.

I know that some medicine people don't like what is perceived as conflict but its their actual higher intelligience expressing then one should be afraid to if they have claimed higher self authority.

Further upthread I noticed Druids were assigned the value of shamans. Druids are academics and academics debate. Oral traditons were not written down so they had to become adept at relating things orally and one way was debate .They used debate as a function to head off wars . If they could not head off a war in this fashion , druids were often times compelled to be in the war so they had a LOT of compelling reasons to debate not just debate's sake. It was often times a matter of life and death.

Renogiating death contracts and illlness contracts which is solid shamanic work often times requires debate. Trickster spirits are clever so one has to be better at it than they are. You have more convincing than the spirit that is attempting to sway the person you are engaged in debate for.

When one connects to their spirit, they are connecting to their higher intelligience and that is what expresses. Intelligience. Lay people have higher intelligence. They have a connection to it that may not be overtly conscious. The conscious knowing of a medicine person helps them to identify their own. That's why their 'light' goes on and they say, I KNEW that in some vague unexpressed way!

Debate and academics and teaching all go hand in hand. Debate serves a function on this realm that serves one other realms. If druids are shamans and sharing similar qualities then the shaman should be involved in debate. If not then I'd have to ask that druids be left of the shaman equation. They aren't going to stop debating and they don't care if they no longer have the shaman association because its just a label. They will always keep their expression no matter what sort of labels are associated with them.

Not fighting, debating, Quest-ioning. The spiritual quest never ends and basically it intiatilizes itself in Quest-ioning. Questioning challenges us to great heights. Dare I say ascension ----the higher we go into our higher intelligience... Being challenged by others lay people or medicine person helps a shaman to be more precise. When working thorugh human psyche one is compelled by responsiblity to be very precise. then one becomes very precise in expression.

Its never a waste of time, no one is a waste of time and what we say is not a waste of time. If we do not honor our higher intellgience, what we say, we can't very well expect others to. If our higher intelllgience is expressing itself it will hold water against lower form expressions. This is neccesary to experiencing other realms. We begin to navigate the non physical by establishing our higher intellgience in this world the one we are all used to and share. If we can't do it here we can't do it over there . No one could .

I agree that it does no good to debate with people without the experience but we can give them tools and make this journey more accessible to them so they can begin to intiate a relative experience. They often have their own experiences and our expressions help them to relate this back to what may be a shamanic experience for them. But the same value holds true, among medicine people . One can't debate with one who hasn't had the relative experience of another. The journey doesn't cease with the status of shaman, it begins.


My experience is that shamans don't in fact like to debate, and I debate more than most because I've been given the role of envoy by my spirits. But most shamans of my experience will not bother with this kind of debate at all, because they feel it's pointless to exchange views with people whose views are limited by their experience, and that the only way to correct that limitation is to expand it by having the experience of walking between worlds through shamanic practises.

I'm trying to think of an analogy. I do find, for example, it's a little bit like, if you can imagine, an explorer in the 12th century setting off on the seas by sailing boat and discovering Australia. Then he comes back and tries to explain to everyone back home about this wonderful land of opportunity he's just discovered and why don't they all go together with him to see it? But he meets with disbelief and ridicule... mainly because he has shaken their world view. And this is what I so often find... when what I say shakes the world view of the listener they can sometimes get angry, or start ridiculing me or even I remember once one had a complete meltdown.

So there are times when I find myself in agreement with the shamans who say it's a waste of time debating with those who haven't experienced the shamanic journey into the three dimensions, known to us as the Upper World, the Middle World and the Lower World/Underworld because how can anyone possibly have an opinion about what is found there and what is learned there unless they have been there? But on the other hand, I feel that I do have to try to explain because it is the loss of the connection with Spirit, which is regained through the shamanic journey, which is at the root of much of the suffering of the world today. This disconnection with spirit is ... well dispiriting, and is the cause of much depression, confusion and fear ... which is normal.

If you don't know why you're here, how you got here, what the purpose is of your being here, where you'll be going to after you leave here ~ all answers to which can be gained through shamanic practice ~ then of course you are fearful, depressed and confused and medicating oneself against these conditions with, say, valium or Prozac, will not make it go away. Your heritage has been taken from you and you won't rest until you get it back. Good for you!

If I can help anyone with reconnecting with their heritage, please do message me and I can put you in touch with a shaman teacher in your area.

[Ishtar]

I'm sorry Fred, if in my effort to simplify things I ended up being over-simplistic. I was trying to use a metaphor to make it easier.

Of course there are differences between physical locations on planet Earth and locations in extra-dimensionary places such as The Three Worlds.

They are different types of places.

The shamanic experience is a specific experience and visiting Florida is a specific experience. A person has either had a specific experience, or they haven't.

I hope this helps.

[9eagle9]

That is a great question, Fred. Not to sound patronzing but is a great question.

My apologies Ishtar if this is taking your thread off topic, that is not my intent. I'm just genuinely curious about your analogy to where I live in your response. In your quote I referenced about experience, I was lead to believe that you were answering 9eagle9, shamanseeker, or both, in which case it would be comparing experiences on the same playing field, that being the spiritual playing field. That would be comparing apples to apples.

In your analogy to me, you compare the multi-dimensional experience of a shaman, to a given individual's 5 senses experience of their physical location. That seems to be comparing an apple to an orange.

What I'm trying to get at is this: Is the extra-dimensional experience of a shaman considered valid, as opposed to the extra-dimensional experience of a non shaman?

Cheers,
Fred[/QUOTE]

[Fred Steeves]

I think I understand where you're coming from now Ishtar, thanks.

[Ishtar]

I think I understand where you're coming from now Ishtar, thanks.

Oh thank goodness, :o Because after I pressed the reply button I started to worry if I'd over simplified it even further ...

I think that every experience is valid and I'm sure there are many on Project Avalon who have many experiences that I've never had that I will enjoy learning about. It's just that, in my opinion, it would be a mistake to call them shamanism when they are something else or something similar.

For me, the key core criteria for the shamanic experience is:

1. The journey through trance which takes you into the Three Worlds where...
2. You meet with entities which we've come to call spirits/gods/Anunnaki/Asuras etc
3. These entities, which you can see face to face, give you guidance, information and or healing which you...
4. Bring back to your community or your individual client.

The shaman is in service in that particular way. He or she is not a 'psychonaut' who likes tripping around the astral plains for their own sake ~ whether for enjoyment, elucidation or just sheer entertainment. The astral plains are much more easily accessible by everyone but they are much more superficial locations that those of The Three Worlds.

The Three Worlds includes the Land of the Dead where the shaman, in another of his roles, takes the deceased's soul at death.

The point of having a shaman to get you through the portals is so that the gatekeepers can recognise you when you visit again. The gatekeepers perform a very important role of ensuring that there is no 'bleed through' going in either direction through these portals, so that the liminal walls can be kept in place. So without the right 'open sesame' you won't be able to get through and this is right and how it should be.

When magicians work, they open portals on the astral plains where, for reasons I have no clue about, there are no gatekeepers. So anyone can get through portals there, and also entities can come through those portals into this dimension, but they are pretty low-level entities with no power of their own ... rather like Dobby in Harry Potter.

http://images.wikia.com/harrypotter/images/d/dd/Dobby1.jpg

On the subject of Druids, I know and work with several of them and they are also shamans who journey into The Three Worlds. That's not to say, by any means, that all modern-day Druids are shamans, but I believe having that ability certainly enhances their work with the spirits of the Land.

[9eagle9]

Ishtar, It is very hard for people to understand the role a Shaman or in some cases a Physic/Medium take. I have worked with two of those disciplines now and I will tell you Shamans are closer to reality then the latter. with that being said you can explain to someone all day long about dimensions, portals, and such but in the end they still may walk away with a totaly differnet concept then what you tried to explain to them. Understand thier fear when you say that something is absolute. this is the fear they teach in Religion. Your Journey is one of the hardest because of the simple fact your trying to change thousands of years of conditioning and DNA manipulation. keep smiling my friend and keep helping those who stand in need.

Role is the key word there. The human condition's biggest mind traps are the roles we assume. The Victim, The Witch, the Abuser, The Mother, The Shaman, The Psychic.

And we aren't aware we are assuming those roles. It is frustrating to work with someone to help them release their filters and the roles that are formed around for them to re-establish more. The roles begin to limit one. We are composed of so many facets that we are unware of I suppose one latches on to one that they percieve gives them more of an identity than plain old authentic identity. Our spiritual establishments have created that paradigm that ANYTHING is better than plain old humanity in all its varied facets. "I'm an alien, I'm a witch, I'm a reincarnated unicorn, I'm a reincarnated angel."

It disallows higher expression. And the roles are based on filters. People tie up their self identity in the role rather than the authentic expression. I notice that in so many people who work in spiritual media they quickly establish a role . A woman introduced herself to me last week by first stating she was 'the medium' and then later telling me her name. I see people not roles but she had to quickly establish that her 'role' was of more important in identity rather than her authentic identity and its expression. And then others REQUIRE an established role and then one feels compelled by other's expecatations to live up to that role, a false standard. One is really just going back to keeping up appearances rather than finding authenticity.

All facets of one's self should be explored with limitations. But the moment the role is assigned one becomes self limited or limited by others perceptions. I've been accosted in public places for having a beer and a hamburger by those who want to impose a role on me and that beer is not living up to my 'role'. Those are physical values , and are we here to have a physical experience? One would presume so since we are here. More attachment to the physical part of things.

The shamanic experience is in part the human experience expanded beyond the roles, rules , filters, and limitations and prohibitions . You're right those have been imbedded in our human psyche,and effected our DNA either by consious influence or outright tampering for so long that we unconsciously retreat back to them even when we assume a more non conventional spirituality consciously. LONG term filters.

The roles will prevent one from having a fuller human experience let alone delving into the shamanic experiences.

[Eagle]

Ishtar, It is very hard for people to understand the role a Shaman or in some cases a Physic/Medium take. I have worked with two of those disciplines now and I will tell you Shamans are closer to reality then the latter. with that being said you can explain to someone all day long about dimensions, portals, and such but in the end they still may walk away with a totaly differnet concept then what you tried to explain to them. Understand thier fear when you say that something is absolute. this is the fear they teach in Religion. Your Journey is one of the hardest because of the simple fact your trying to change thousands of years of conditioning and DNA manipulation. keep smiling my friend and keep helping those who stand in need.

Role is the key word there. The human condition's biggest mind traps are the roles we assume. The Victim, The Witch, the Abuser, The Mother, The Shaman, The Psychic.

And we aren't aware we are assuming those roles. It is frustrating to work with someone to help them release their filters and the roles that are formed around for them to re-establish more. The roles begin to limit one. We are composed of so many facets that we are unware of I suppose one latches on to one that they percieve gives them more of an identity than plain old authentic identity. Our spiritual establishments have created that paradigm that ANYTHING is better than plain old humanity in all its varied facets. "I'm an alien, I'm a witch, I'm a reincarnated unicorn, I'm a reincarnated angel."

It disallows higher expression. And the roles are based on filters. People tie up their self identity in the role rather than the authentic expression. I notice that in so many people who work in spiritual media they quickly establish a role . A woman introduced herself to me last week by first stating she was 'the medium' and then later telling me her name. I see people not roles but she had to quickly establish that her 'role' was of more important in identity rather than her authentic identity and its expression. And then others REQUIRE an established role and then one feels compelled by other's expecatations to live up to that role, a false standard. One is really just going back to keeping up appearances rather than finding authenticity.

All facets of one's self should be explored with limitations. But the moment the role is assigned one becomes self limited or limited by others perceptions. I've been accosted in public places for having a beer and a hamburger by those who want to impose a role on me and that beer is not living up to my 'role'. Those are physical values , and are we here to have a physical experience? One would presume so since we are here. More attachment to the physical part of things.

The shamanic experience is in part the human experience expanded beyond the roles, rules , filters, and limitations and prohibitions . You're right those have been imbedded in our human psyche,and effected our DNA either by consious influence or outright tampering for so long that we unconsciously retreat back to them even when we assume a more non conventional spirituality consciously. LONG term filters.

The roles will prevent one from having a fuller human experience let alone delving into the shamanic experiences.
I stand corrected it should not be considered a "role" I am a Shaman or a medium is not as important as I am a friend.

[Lord Sidious]

You avalonuggets are doing real good work here.
Keep it up.

[9eagle9]

i didn't intend on correcting it was that word Role that you used that I keyed into.

I think BEING a friend is more important. And being a friend takes on a lot of facets, between lending a shoulder to lean on and kicking someone's ass.





Ishtar, It is very hard for people to understand the role a Shaman or in some cases a Physic/Medium take. I have worked with two of those disciplines now and I will tell you Shamans are closer to reality then the latter. with that being said you can explain to someone all day long about dimensions, portals, and such but in the end they still may walk away with a totaly differnet concept then what you tried to explain to them. Understand thier fear when you say that something is absolute. this is the fear they teach in Religion. Your Journey is one of the hardest because of the simple fact your trying to change thousands of years of conditioning and DNA manipulation. keep smiling my friend and keep helping those who stand in need.

Role is the key word there. The human condition's biggest mind traps are the roles we assume. The Victim, The Witch, the Abuser, The Mother, The Shaman, The Psychic.

And we aren't aware we are assuming those roles. It is frustrating to work with someone to help them release their filters and the roles that are formed around for them to re-establish more. The roles begin to limit one. We are composed of so many facets that we are unware of I suppose one latches on to one that they percieve gives them more of an identity than plain old authentic identity. Our spiritual establishments have created that paradigm that ANYTHING is better than plain old humanity in all its varied facets. "I'm an alien, I'm a witch, I'm a reincarnated unicorn, I'm a reincarnated angel."

It disallows higher expression. And the roles are based on filters. People tie up their self identity in the role rather than the authentic expression. I notice that in so many people who work in spiritual media they quickly establish a role . A woman introduced herself to me last week by first stating she was 'the medium' and then later telling me her name. I see people not roles but she had to quickly establish that her 'role' was of more important in identity rather than her authentic identity and its expression. And then others REQUIRE an established role and then one feels compelled by other's expecatations to live up to that role, a false standard. One is really just going back to keeping up appearances rather than finding authenticity.

All facets of one's self should be explored with limitations. But the moment the role is assigned one becomes self limited or limited by others perceptions. I've been accosted in public places for having a beer and a hamburger by those who want to impose a role on me and that beer is not living up to my 'role'. Those are physical values , and are we here to have a physical experience? One would presume so since we are here. More attachment to the physical part of things.

The shamanic experience is in part the human experience expanded beyond the roles, rules , filters, and limitations and prohibitions . You're right those have been imbedded in our human psyche,and effected our DNA either by consious influence or outright tampering for so long that we unconsciously retreat back to them even when we assume a more non conventional spirituality consciously. LONG term filters.

The roles will prevent one from having a fuller human experience let alone delving into the shamanic experiences.
I stand corrected it should not be considered a "role" I am a Shaman or a medium is not as important as I am a friend.

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You should know, you do your own sort of free the people work just in a different way .



You avalonuggets are doing real good work here.
Keep it up.

[markoid]

Ishtar & 9eagle9
I know I have said it to both of you already, but I am sitting here with tears of gratitude rolling down my face for this that you are are imparting. You are like 2 alchemists turning language into solid gold!!! This is so expansive and soooo just right for me to be reading and I can barely find the words to express how blessed I feel to be receiving this knowledge/help/healing. Thank you both from the depths of my heart!!!!!!!

[Ishtar]

Aaaw! Thank you. Markoid. That's one of the things I'm beginning to really enjoy about Project Avalon, that people do give feedback and are not afraid to say when something was helpful to them. I have around 200-300 readers on my blog every day, and most of them can barely be bothered to hit the Like button. I'm not sure if this is a good or bad thing, but I wonder if some people are beginning to take it for granted that they can get deep, enlightening and enriching content for free and that they don't even have say thank you for it. It's as much about their not getting the full enrichment by failing to acknowledge what they received. I guess that's why we used to say Grace: "For what we are about to receive may we be truly thankful." I know from my own work that just saying "thank you" to the spirits, or sending them a wave of gratitude, opens up the floodgates to a cornucopia of Grace and spiritual realisation.

So thank you thank you thank you, markoid! :kiss:

[Spirithorse]

Hi Ishtar,

Thank you very much for this very informative thread and for the wisdom you share with us. It's going to take me a bit to read through all the articles but I'm looking forward to it.

In your post about the horsetail tincture you mention the horsetail spirit (with her green skin and orange hair). One question came to my mind about this - is the spirit you describe the same thing what people also would call horsetail Deva?

And another question came up about the days of the week in relation to the planets. Most days are pretty easy to remember, for some I need the French word)

Sunday - sun
Monday - moon
Tuesday - mars (French - mardi)
Wednesday - mercury (French - mercredi)
Thursday - jupiter
Friday - venus (French - vendredi)
Saturday - saturn

That much I know but I have no idea why the days are named in this particular order, obviously it hasn't anything to do with their order in the solar system. Do you know why it's this way?

[Ishtar]

That is such an excellent question, Spirithorse. Truly... a simple question but one with an answer which reveals a very deep truth that has been hidden from us for thousands of years.

Each of the days of the week is 'governed' by one of the planets. This means that influences from say, the Moon, are more prevalent and felt by us on Earth on the first day of the week. Tuesday is named after an old Norse god, Tiw, but as you rightly point out, the French languge, which is much closer to the Latin, uses 'mardi' for Mars ... and so on. So the order is dictated not by the order they are from the Earth but for when that planet's influences are stronger than the others.

It's quite fun to see how you feel on certain days, to learn how these planets affect our moods and how we think and feel in other ways. For instance, Wednesdays (mercredi, governed by Mercury) always seem to be very fast and busy days, with lots of quicksilver commercial activity and bartering and trading going on among MERchants.

Thursdays, on the other hand, have long been my favourite day, governed as it by jovial and generous-spirited Jupiter.

These are just my own subjective impressions, and I'd be interested to hear whether others have noticed this, and what they feel on certain days.

By the way, an astrologer would say that I've completely over-simplified it and also would have more technical terms that would be more correct. So I've emailed by good friend and traditional astrologer, Peter Stockinger, for his explanation and I'll pass it on to you as soon as it arrives.

On to devas, and it's difficult to be categoric about what devas are because the Rig-veda, where they mainly appear, is really just a bunch of hymns and so doesn't go into specifics. There are other spirits called asuras who in the Rig-veda are good spirits, and then later on the Srimad Bhagavatham, they become bad. This is because there was a political split caused when Zoroaster started his new religion, and adopted the asuras as his good spirits and made the devas bad. So several thousand years later, and with very little textual evidence, it's very difficult to know what they meant. But I see Horsetail as one of the 'plant people', a plant spirit, and I think I'm going to stick with that.

There are also elementals ~ for example, the sylphs of the air and the salamanders of the fire, etc.

There are also the spirits of the Land, known in this country through their Celtic names of the Fae, the Sidhe, or the Gentry.

Once again, thanks for asking these interesting questions, and I'll let you know what Peter comes back with, as you might as well have the right technical explanation!

Love Ishtar x

[modwiz]

It is very refreshing to see the metaphysics 101 in such evidence here, as well as the depth of knowledge also, Ishtar. The basics of metals and days with their planetary influences is one aspect of our culture that is too often missing from the lexicon and knowledge base of many modern pagans and witches.

I also am enjoying the formidable feminine power demonstrated here by you and 9eagle9. It has been a great 'tag team'.

With that said, Blessed Be.

[Ishtar]

Many thanks indeed, Modwiz,

I've now received this from my friend, traditional astrologer, Peter Stockinger, where he's answering the question about the history of how we ended up with the days of the week in the order that they are today.


The Babylonians thought that the slower a planet would move, the more important it would be. The Sun takes a year to pass around the celestial sphere, which takes 365 days. The Moon moves along the ecliptic, in 27 days. Mercury moves from one side of the Sun to the other completing one cycle in 116 days. Venus takes about 584 days for one cycle. Mars takes about 780 days to move around the celestial sphere. Jupiter takes longer than Mars and Saturn longer than Jupiter. Therefore in order of slowest to fastest, we have Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Sun, Venus, Mercury, Moon. Good but not quite right, you will say – but there is more.

Next they divided each day into twelve hours and each night into twelve hours for a total of twenty four hours a complete day. (see as well my article Planetary Hours (http://starsandstones.wordpress.com/2010/09/17/planetary-hours/) for tables, etc) The first hour for example would be Saturn, the second Jupiter, the third Mars etc. assigned in the order of slowest object to fastest. Because the first hour was assigned to Saturn the day would be known as Saturn's day. This assignment of gods continued and when they reached the eighth hour, they started the list from the top and assigned the eighth hour to Saturn, ninth to Jupiter, etc. The twenty fourth hour of the first day would be assigned to Mars and thus the first hour of the next day would be assigned to the Sun and that would be the Sun's day. Continuing in this way the first hour of the next day would fall to the Moon, Moon's day. The following days would then be Mars's day, Mercury's day, Jupiter's day, Venus's day, and finally back to Saturn's day. In the end this leaves us with Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday again.

[Lord Sidious]

Except that the days of the week are mostly named after Norse gods.

[modwiz]

Except that the days of the week are mostly named after Norse gods.

Let's see. Tiwsday, Wodensday, Thorsday and Fridjasday (Friggs or Friggas or......)

Yeah, I guess 4 out of 7 qualifies as a mostly. :tongue1:

[Ishtar]

It will be interesting to see if the Norse gods correspond with the Greek ones.

E.g. Frigga with Venus and Woden with Mercury.

[modwiz]

It will be interesting to see if the Norse gods correspond with the Greek ones.

E.g. Frigga with Venus and Woden with Mercury.

They do Ishtar. The fit is there. Since the Norse Pantheon is not a derivative of of the Mediterranean
systems there is a little bit of 'play' but the archetypal energies do line up well enough.

Odin/Wodens' ravens are messengers for him. Frigga's name means love, or beloved one.

Yes, the system is sound.

[Ishtar]

Perfect! The system works then. :cool:

[Lord Sidious]

It will be interesting to see if the Norse gods correspond with the Greek ones.

E.g. Frigga with Venus and Woden with Mercury.

Dunno, can't help you with that bit.

[jorr lundstrom]

It is said in the Edda the old sayings of Oden: Dont pass any treshold until you have

looked out, and spyed, until you have tracked and inquired. Entering this thread gives

me this feeling. Modestly I go uot into the wilderness again. LOL

[Ishtar]

Since the Norse Pantheon is not a derivative of of the Mediterranean
systems there is a little bit of 'play' but the archetypal energies do line up well enough.

This, to me, is what is so telling about it. These are two very ancients systems of which none is derived from the other but which largely correspond. This means that there must have been a much more ancient teaching than either the Vedas, the Edda or those contained in the Babylonian star books which they are all derived from....possibly from a time when this sort of lore was only transmitted orally and a time when the teaching came direct from the spirits.

This is of personal interest to me because yesterday, I got stopped, almost physically, certainly mentally by Mercury yesterday from starting to create a new spagyric governed by Mercury. I wasn't sure what was happening, and so I got in touch with my overarching spirit guides, and the message that came through was to the effect that I was getting so involved in old alchemists' and herbalists' charts of planetary correspondences, which have been passed down through the centuries, that I wasn't doing what I should be doing, and consulting Spirit for which herb to use, rather than charts. I was reminded that this is how these correspondences were discovered in the first place ... that the charts were only the results of those initial enquiries by priest astronomers and alchemists of the time. They also said that I had to be open to those correspondences changing if the times should change and that I couldn't do that if I was depending solely on old charts. It was a very interesting and valuable lesson, and so I am now back to the drawing board, and going deeper, for my Mercury spagyric.

[Spirithorse]

Many thanks indeed, Modwiz,

I've now received this from my friend, traditional astrologer, Peter Stockinger, where he's answering the question about the history of how we ended up with the days of the week in the order that they are today.


The Babylonians thought that the slower a planet would move, the more important it would be. The Sun takes a year to pass around the celestial sphere, which takes 365 days. The Moon moves along the ecliptic, in 27 days. Mercury moves from one side of the Sun to the other completing one cycle in 116 days. Venus takes about 584 days for one cycle. Mars takes about 780 days to move around the celestial sphere. Jupiter takes longer than Mars and Saturn longer than Jupiter. Therefore in order of slowest to fastest, we have Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Sun, Venus, Mercury, Moon. Good but not quite right, you will say – but there is more.

Next they divided each day into twelve hours and each night into twelve hours for a total of twenty four hours a complete day. (see as well my article Planetary Hours (http://starsandstones.wordpress.com/2010/09/17/planetary-hours/) for tables, etc) The first hour for example would be Saturn, the second Jupiter, the third Mars etc. assigned in the order of slowest object to fastest. Because the first hour was assigned to Saturn the day would be known as Saturn's day. This assignment of gods continued and when they reached the eighth hour, they started the list from the top and assigned the eighth hour to Saturn, ninth to Jupiter, etc. The twenty fourth hour of the first day would be assigned to Mars and thus the first hour of the next day would be assigned to the Sun and that would be the Sun's day. Continuing in this way the first hour of the next day would fall to the Moon, Moon's day. The following days would then be Mars's day, Mercury's day, Jupiter's day, Venus's day, and finally back to Saturn's day. In the end this leaves us with Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday again.

Many thanks Ishtar, for the detailed response
...and do you know what the best thing is, your astrologer friend already answered my next question, - how do I know which planetary energy governs the hours of a day?

Isn't that exactly the way Spirit works - getting the answer before you ask the question ?
Thanks again :-)

[animalspirits]

This work is always done as a pure soul.

I have been practicing this since I was a very young whippersnapper. I am 71 not and do not feel that age has anything to do with it. From what I have been taught by my teachers (not Earth-based), a so-called "shaman" (or whatever name you want to call them) never is the one doing the work. They are simply a vessel through which the actual work takes place. As for having the ability to enter an altered state of conscientiousness, it is something I have been doing since I was born. I do know what my name is, but it is something I never share as it is only for me to recognize. I am not even sure that the name is of Earth as it was spelled phonetically.

Also, I do not believe in the bloodline theory of "special" people holding more ability to do this work. Anyone has the ability if they choose to use it...at any age or culture. The most powerful of these healers are the most humble and many prefer to do their work without fanfare or naming because they recognize that ego has no place in this work. It is always done for the benefit of others. It is a life of service to others without any manner of fame or wealth playing a factor in the practice. The desire to this comes from the Human mind/ego.

i have little use for conspiracy theories as to who we are being ruled or controlled by as that has to do with our physical bodies. It has no bearing on the pure soul. I find to spend time on this issue is to waste time that I could be spending traveling as a pure soul. Also, my lack of fear when coming into contact with entities that are different than we are has enabled me to communicate with anything.

I am aided by animals, plants, stones, ETs, and so on. I always travel or enter an altered state with an Obsidian shield wrap around my soul. My intent is always neutral so that what needs to come through to help is able to. I do work primarily with Black Jaguar, Orca, Crow, a Fire and a Chaos Dragon, Dog, Wolf, to name a few.

I have often been asked when someone could call themselves a shaman and I reply "When it does not matter to you that you are." A true shaman has no ego involved in their work because it is not them that is doing the work.

I shared the information above because I wanted to put that out at the beginning of any comments I am going to make on this thread.

My work is always free. All my websites are free, as is any teaching done there.

In addition to the two listed in my signature, I have the website www.animalspirits.com All the information is free and there are over 300 animals and their teaching on the site. All the animals determined what order they came in, their picture, and the wisdom they wanted on the site. I just typed. If you visit it, I hope you enjoy your time with the animals.

:biggrin:

[Ishtar]

Also, I do not believe in the bloodline theory of "special" people holding more ability to do this work. Anyone has the ability if they choose to use it...at any age or culture. The most powerful of these healers are the most humble and many prefer to do their work without fanfare or naming because they recognize that ego has no place in this work. It is always done for the benefit of others. It is a life of service to others without any manner of fame or wealth playing a factor in the practice. The desire to this comes from the Human mind/ego.
:biggrin:

I agree totally with the above, and I can and do teach anyone to do this who wants to learn. It is our heritage. I believe our earliest ancestors could all pretty much do it, but for one reason or another, the technique has been forgotten in the West.

However, I do charge for teaching and healing, in the same way that shamans have always done. Going back into history (and even now in indigenous tribes) shamans were always supported by their tribe to perform this role, even if money didn't change hands. We don't have tribes in the West, and so I cannot be supported in that traditional way. Therefore, I accept the normal exchange of energies in a capitalistic culture, which is currency aka money. I will also accept bartering of goods and services, providing I'm being offered something that I want and need.

If I didn't charge for this, I would have to stop doing it, because without that support, I would have to go and get a job and not be available for this work. I do, however, give a lot away for free ~ if a person is ready for an initiation but has no money, I will give it to them anyway. I also make a lot of information and teaching available here and on my website and blog.

[9eagle9]

Working with the soul is a misnormer. Medicine people tend to work with what is effecting one's access to their soul or higher intelligence. The ego. i personally leave people's souls out of the equation and focus on what is interferring with their soul access and that's a myriad of issues related to mind, consciousness and the ego. One doesn't intiate that sort of work until they've bent their own ego a bit.

However it's been demonstrated down through the centuries that certain bloodlines had access to certain abilties. Where did these stories of generational shamans come from if otherwise?

One , no one assigned a value of special to particular bloodlines . Assigning values of special is a function of the ego . They're wasn't mass slaughter and genocide because these people were special. It's becase they were a threat.

Apparently the notion of DNA even as we are extolled to activate is still threatening to some.

Environmental stimulus imposes influence on DNA and those conditions are passed on genetically. If generations of anyone lives in a cloistered , sacred, ritualistic,
natural environment the genetics of that family is going to be altered and passed on to their offspring. Perverting how this occured is in part how they managed to trap humanity. Ask the Native Americans who quickly assumed physical senstivities to alcohol in just few short generations.

Its pretty evident we are all different and its up to all us to find out how we are different because having this seeming 'equality' imposed on us is what got us all in trouble thousands of years back. It's neccessary because we all have something to bring to the paradigm of our salvation. Not one person or culture has all the answers and its only by bringing this all together that we integrate what was lost from us. Instead we attempt to limit it by belief.

This is how sociopathic entities came into power. Because we can't let go of the notion everyone is the same and that is ego related. Its knee jerky. "Oh they look human, they MUST be human" even as its apparent , far too late, that they are not possessed of any sort of human--humane- qualities. This is self evident but since we are not taught to trust ourselves....but trust things external of us.

It would be hard to believe that certain bloodlines carried certain traits even though we see this expressed daily in life....lol. These bloodlines existed in every culture and every continent so its a bit hard to get away from.


But because most of those bloodlines have been thinned, genetic holocaust, because they possessed certain abilities because that aspect of their DNA was not coded because of their environment. Why pagans of any bloodline were so notoriously hard to convert. Their environment . Environs influence DNA. So they had access to information concering our origins that wasn't tampered with. Or were a threat to another culture in some fashion. This is historically evident. Ireland experienced a mass cultural quashing because of the druidic bloodlines first by the entity most threatened--the Church. Better to kill them all off than to take the risk that one or two may survive. Which hapened anyway. So did Native America. How quickly did genetically related alcoholism enter into the Native American paradigm. In a few hundred years.

Nothing speical about what certain bloodlines carried, it could be passed to others who were not of the same bloodline but the Church found that distasteful, and heresay the same way it did sexual rites. I am not sure if another culture attempted to pass certain traits via the bloodrites but there is a reason why our current usurping monarchies mimic what used to be the hereditary practices of certain bloodlines that orginally created the thrones. We have no idea what Monarchy means anymore. No more than what maternal, matriachal does. This is just evidence that is uncovered regardless of one wants to believe in it or not. Not believing it won't make it go away. It's a naturally occuring expression that no one can prohibit. Meaning regardless of what we say or think on the matter its going to happen anyway.

In the same value I hear gurus extolling the virtues of everyone activating their DNA and then when that DNA begins to express something....its somehow 'wrong' or speical for it to do so? Why are we even people do these sort of things if it is wrong or speical to do so? We still want to prohibit things, that's our control mechanisms our conditioning still at work. We were conditioned to be self policiing. Shamans are here to free us by putting all sorts of prohibitions on us....lol?

Dimensions are speical places that only special people can go and the non speical are warded off by mechanisms when we've always known till we were told otherwise that a dimension is a unit of measurement. And people spontaneously access and express inner dimensionally without anyone's assistnce or prohibitions. How do we explain those people away? They aren't speical , human conditioning is what sets us apart. We lose the conditioning what makes us different and special and the playing field is leveled a bit there. Not by putting more conditions on things, don't do this, only this source of infromation is valid, when the people who are doing things without conditions are demonstrating something entirely different.

Examining thie history of bloodlines and the struggle attached to them closely one will find how we came under this mass illusions of conditions and put a false authority above us in relation to God. We are still externalizing 'god'. Given the scattering of hereditary DNA throughout the world there's many people carrying dormant bloodline related DNA and are dissuaded from having this activated solely because of the ego fear and assignments of special. The egos notorious mechanism that kicks in that assigns a value of "because that person may be special that automatically infringes on me the value of inferior."

This is not so, no one is made inferior , its a fear thought.

Which is just ego and a psychic trauma wound imposed on everyone thousands of years back. I'm not sure why people are so threatened by those who would give back to you what belonged to you in the first place. it's okay if an alien or an ET gives one something though an entirely allegedly different race of people.Same value. One's off planet and the other one is on planet.

This doesn't mean that these people are entitled to special privledge or entitlement, their state of beingness provides that without having to take from others. It means they have something to give back that was stolen from us. Like the Angel and ET people state have some intrinsic value to give back. And its going to occur regardless of what others 'think. Thinking is typically dominatd by ego. Or ego fear. This strikes me as hilarious that Aliens and ETS are special and can offer us something 'better' but its so hard to understand there are certain DNA traits, and their activation could be intiated by certain bloodlines is distasteful....lol. or speically wrong. Not even to be entertained even.

Or that people insist they are altered by interaction with certain spirts, angels and ETS but dismiss that there are bloodlines possessed of certain abilties. Aren't ET's as well? or are these ETs we communicate with are actually humans with the exact same dna as humans and are in no way different than humans , not smarter, not better....how? What is the difference here?

We assign value of 'special ' to archangels, random spirits, thing of that nature in relation to us but the thought that a bloodline or two could serve to activate one's internal mechanisms is distasteful? Their heridetary knowledge is threatening to ....what? What makes interactions and relations to ET's and angels better or more speciall?. Listening to all these accounts of ET's and how they seeded people doesn't carry a value of 'there's special ET seeded people' running amok on the earth? What is the intrinsic difference here?


Another myth is the correlation about pure soul not needing any intervention versus soul retrieval. If the soul is involiate why does it need intervention? Another opposing core value intiated by what we 'think' a shaman should be. Medicine people and spiritual advisors. Does the spirt need counseling? Or does the mind, that prevents the person from accessing their pure spirit, need it? I wouldn't so presumptious as to say I could fix someones soul, but one could be possessed of the tools to bend the mind enough so they could access it in a more productive manner.

But spiritual counselor and shaman sounds better than ego bender I suppose. The reality of the situation is the values people burp out there without examining the contradictions contained within the belief systems. A bleief system is a series of condtions and yet we are told to get rid of our conditioning/ One part higher expression with the ego objecting to certain touchy matters it wishes to preserve. If the soul is uncondtional there's no conditions for anyone to remove from it by the shaman, angel or ET.

And we are conditioned to trust what is outside of us rather than what is internal of us. The knowledge of what other spirits are saying for some reason has greater merit than our own spirit? We give authority to spirits, angels, ET's without trusting our own divinity? What our own spirit will show us (rather than tell us).

On the next breath we are taught that we need nothing external of us...lol. Opposing core values. If things begin to get contradictory one can trust the mind is interfering.

And you are correct we do not heal anyone for the same reason we facilitate by offering understanding of the psyche, helping to move energy, to see clearly what the problem is and then its up to the willingness of the recipeint to intiate their own healing process in order to access a higher expression. People do not see their own issues and need the assitance of others not neccessarily a shaman. Imposing influence on the ego, not the spirit.

Many cultures had a tradition of prohibiting their medicine people from working with others until they reached a certain age. This is supported by astrological aspects. It has to less with the soul and more to do with the responsiblity of working with another' person's psyche. Or mind. And its conditions.



This work is always done as a pure soul.

I have been practicing this since I was a very young whippersnapper. I am 71 not and do not feel that age has anything to do with it. From what I have been taught by my teachers (not Earth-based), a so-called "shaman" (or whatever name you want to call them) never is the one doing the work. They are simply a vessel through which the actual work takes place. As for having the ability to enter an altered state of conscientiousness, it is something I have been doing since I was born. I do know what my name is, but it is something I never share as it is only for me to recognize. I am not even sure that the name is of Earth as it was spelled phonetically.

Also, I do not believe in the bloodline theory of "special" people holding more ability to do this work. Anyone has the ability if they choose to use it...at any age or culture. The most powerful of these healers are the most humble and many prefer to do their work without fanfare or naming because they recognize that ego has no place in this work. It is always done for the benefit of others. It is a life of service to others without any manner of fame or wealth playing a factor in the practice. The desire to this comes from the Human mind/ego.

i have little use for conspiracy theories as to who we are being ruled or controlled by as that has to do with our physical bodies. It has no bearing on the pure soul. I find to spend time on this issue is to waste time that I could be spending traveling as a pure soul. Also, my lack of fear when coming into contact with entities that are different than we are has enabled me to communicate with anything.

I am aided by animals, plants, stones, ETs, and so on. I always travel or enter an altered state with an Obsidian shield wrap around my soul. My intent is always neutral so that what needs to come through to help is able to. I do work primarily with Black Jaguar, Orca, Crow, a Fire and a Chaos Dragon, Dog, Wolf, to name a few.

I have often been asked when someone could call themselves a shaman and I reply "When it does not matter to you that you are." A true shaman has no ego involved in their work because it is not them that is doing the work.

I shared the information above because I wanted to put that out at the beginning of any comments I am going to make on this thread.

My work is always free. All my websites are free, as is any teaching done there.

In addition to the two listed in my signature, I have the website www.animalspirits.com All the information is free and there are over 300 animals and their teaching on the site. All the animals determined what order they came in, their picture, and the wisdom they wanted on the site. I just typed. If you visit it, I hope you enjoy your time with the animals.

:biggrin:

[Calz]

Wow.

What a *great* thread.

That is all I will say. Just offering thanks as I sit back and take it all in whilst I munch ...

:pop2:

[animalspirits]

Also, I do not believe in the bloodline theory of "special" people holding more ability to do this work. Anyone has the ability if they choose to use it...at any age or culture. The most powerful of these healers are the most humble and many prefer to do their work without fanfare or naming because they recognize that ego has no place in this work. It is always done for the benefit of others. It is a life of service to others without any manner of fame or wealth playing a factor in the practice. The desire to this comes from the Human mind/ego.
:biggrin:

I agree totally with the above, and I can and do teach anyone to do this who wants to learn. It is our heritage. I believe our earliest ancestors could all pretty much do it, but for one reason or another, the technique has been forgotten in the West.

However, I do charge for teaching and healing, in the same way that shamans have always done. Going back into history (and even now in indigenous tribes) shamans were always supported by their tribe to perform this role, even if money didn't change hands. We don't have tribes in the West, and so I cannot be supported in that traditional way. Therefore, I accept the normal exchange of energies in a capitalistic culture, which is currency aka money. I will also accept bartering of goods and services, providing I'm being offered something that I want and need.

If I didn't charge for this, I would have to stop doing it, because without that support, I would have to go and get a job and not be available for this work. I do, however, give a lot away for free ~ if a person is ready for an initiation but has no money, I will give it to them anyway. I also make a lot of information and teaching available here and on my website and blog.

I managed to do both.

I never have tried to make a living doing this work.. It is a gift. I don't believe in charging people for something that is a gift. Of course, there are those that believe that if energy is exchanged then they have to either pay or give you a gift. It is like they feel you are taking their energy. If they feel that way, they have no faith in the healer/shaman and shouldn't be doing it anyway. Most people are fine with this, but there are those few that aren't. For those people, I ask that they make a donation to the animal, plant, or environmental non-profit organization of their choice. That way the animals, etc. that actually did the work benefit. I do nothing, it is done through me. I am a healing vessel. Of course, those that believe they do the healing have their own ego tied up in the whole thing anyway and will not be effective in their work. That is why, in most cases, the healings either don't happen or they have to go back to have more work done later...and pay more money.

I also believe that to identify with ancient healers is wrong. No one really knows how they healed. People go to these tribes to learn, but what they do not realize is that these healers never disclose everything they know. They are only teaching part of what they know.

The Animal Spirits Website has had over 2,800,000 hits since it began...so it is helping others learn on their own.

I came into this world with total recall of how to do this. I have been doing it since I was born some 70+ years. I am also not afraid to go where I need to go to help others.

If a person wants to make a living doing this, that is of course their choice. I just do not believe it is necessary. Spirit will provide a way to do both if one have enough faith in their path.

[animalspirits]

Working with the soul is a misnormer. Medicine people tend to work with what is effecting one's access to their soul or higher intelligence. The ego. i personally leave people's souls out of the equation and focus on what is interferring with their soul access and that's a myriad of issues related to mind, consciousness and the ego. One doesn't intiate that sort of work until they've bent their own ego a bit.

However it's been demonstrated down through the centuries that certain bloodlines had access to certain abilties. Where did these stories of generational shamans come from if otherwise?

One , no one assigned a value of special to particular bloodlines . Assigning values of special is a function of the ego . They're wasn't mass slaughter and genocide because these people were special. It's becase they were a threat.

Apparently the notion of DNA even as we are extolled to activate is still threatening to some.

Environmental stimulus imposes influence on DNA and those conditions are passed on genetically. If generations of anyone lives in a cloistered , sacred, ritualistic,
natural environment the genetics of that family is going to be altered and passed on to their offspring. Perverting how this occured is in part how they managed to trap humanity. Ask the Native Americans who quickly assumed physical senstivities to alcohol in just few short generations.

Its pretty evident we are all different and its up to all us to find out how we are different because having this seeming 'equality' imposed on us is what got us all in trouble thousands of years back. It's neccessary because we all have something to bring to the paradigm of our salvation. Not one person or culture has all the answers and its only by bringing this all together that we integrate what was lost from us. Instead we attempt to limit it by belief.

This is how sociopathic entities came into power. Because we can't let go of the notion everyone is the same and that is ego related. Its knee jerky. "Oh they look human, they MUST be human" even as its apparent , far too late, that they are not possessed of any sort of human--humane- qualities. This is self evident but since we are not taught to trust ourselves....but trust things external of us.

It would be hard to believe that certain bloodlines carried certain traits even though we see this expressed daily in life....lol. These bloodlines existed in every culture and every continent so its a bit hard to get away from.


But because most of those bloodlines have been thinned, genetic holocaust, because they possessed certain abilities because that aspect of their DNA was not coded because of their environment. Why pagans of any bloodline were so notoriously hard to convert. Their environment . Environs influence DNA. So they had access to information concering our origins that wasn't tampered with. Or were a threat to another culture in some fashion. This is historically evident. Ireland experienced a mass cultural quashing because of the druidic bloodlines first by the entity most threatened--the Church. Better to kill them all off than to take the risk that one or two may survive. Which hapened anyway. So did Native America. How quickly did genetically related alcoholism enter into the Native American paradigm. In a few hundred years.

Nothing speical about what certain bloodlines carried, it could be passed to others who were not of the same bloodline but the Church found that distasteful, and heresay the same way it did sexual rites. I am not sure if another culture attempted to pass certain traits via the bloodrites but there is a reason why our current usurping monarchies mimic what used to be the hereditary practices of certain bloodlines that orginally created the thrones. We have no idea what Monarchy means anymore. No more than what maternal, matriachal does. This is just evidence that is uncovered regardless of one wants to believe in it or not. Not believing it won't make it go away. It's a naturally occuring expression that no one can prohibit. Meaning regardless of what we say or think on the matter its going to happen anyway.

In the same value I hear gurus extolling the virtues of everyone activating their DNA and then when that DNA begins to express something....its somehow 'wrong' or speical for it to do so? Why are we even people do these sort of things if it is wrong or speical to do so? We still want to prohibit things, that's our control mechanisms our conditioning still at work. We were conditioned to be self policiing. Shamans are here to free us by putting all sorts of prohibitions on us....lol?

Dimensions are speical places that only special people can go and the non speical are warded off by mechanisms when we've always known till we were told otherwise that a dimension is a unit of measurement. And people spontaneously access and express inner dimensionally without anyone's assistnce or prohibitions. How do we explain those people away? They aren't speical , human conditioning is what sets us apart. We lose the conditioning what makes us different and special and the playing field is leveled a bit there. Not by putting more conditions on things, don't do this, only this source of infromation is valid, when the people who are doing things without conditions are demonstrating something entirely different.

Examining thie history of bloodlines and the struggle attached to them closely one will find how we came under this mass illusions of conditions and put a false authority above us in relation to God. We are still externalizing 'god'. Given the scattering of hereditary DNA throughout the world there's many people carrying dormant bloodline related DNA and are dissuaded from having this activated solely because of the ego fear and assignments of special. The egos notorious mechanism that kicks in that assigns a value of "because that person may be special that automatically infringes on me the value of inferior."

This is not so, no one is made inferior , its a fear thought.

Which is just ego and a psychic trauma wound imposed on everyone thousands of years back. I'm not sure why people are so threatened by those who would give back to you what belonged to you in the first place. it's okay if an alien or an ET gives one something though an entirely allegedly different race of people.Same value. One's off planet and the other one is on planet.

This doesn't mean that these people are entitled to special privledge or entitlement, their state of beingness provides that without having to take from others. It means they have something to give back that was stolen from us. Like the Angel and ET people state have some intrinsic value to give back. And its going to occur regardless of what others 'think. Thinking is typically dominatd by ego. Or ego fear. This strikes me as hilarious that Aliens and ETS are special and can offer us something 'better' but its so hard to understand there are certain DNA traits, and their activation could be intiated by certain bloodlines is distasteful....lol. or speically wrong. Not even to be entertained even.

Or that people insist they are altered by interaction with certain spirts, angels and ETS but dismiss that there are bloodlines possessed of certain abilties. Aren't ET's as well? or are these ETs we communicate with are actually humans with the exact same dna as humans and are in no way different than humans , not smarter, not better....how? What is the difference here?

We assign value of 'special ' to archangels, random spirits, thing of that nature in relation to us but the thought that a bloodline or two could serve to activate one's internal mechanisms is distasteful? Their heridetary knowledge is threatening to ....what? What makes interactions and relations to ET's and angels better or more speciall?. Listening to all these accounts of ET's and how they seeded people doesn't carry a value of 'there's special ET seeded people' running amok on the earth? What is the intrinsic difference here?


Another myth is the correlation about pure soul not needing any intervention versus soul retrieval. If the soul is involiate why does it need intervention? Another opposing core value intiated by what we 'think' a shaman should be. Medicine people and spiritual advisors. Does the spirt need counseling? Or does the mind, that prevents the person from accessing their pure spirit, need it? I wouldn't so presumptious as to say I could fix someones soul, but one could be possessed of the tools to bend the mind enough so they could access it in a more productive manner.

But spiritual counselor and shaman sounds better than ego bender I suppose. The reality of the situation is the values people burp out there without examining the contradictions contained within the belief systems. A bleief system is a series of condtions and yet we are told to get rid of our conditioning/ One part higher expression with the ego objecting to certain touchy matters it wishes to preserve. If the soul is uncondtional there's no conditions for anyone to remove from it by the shaman, angel or ET.

And we are conditioned to trust what is outside of us rather than what is internal of us. The knowledge of what other spirits are saying for some reason has greater merit than our own spirit? We give authority to spirits, angels, ET's without trusting our own divinity? What our own spirit will show us (rather than tell us).

On the next breath we are taught that we need nothing external of us...lol. Opposing core values. If things begin to get contradictory one can trust the mind is interfering.

And you are correct we do not heal anyone for the same reason we facilitate by offering understanding of the psyche, helping to move energy, to see clearly what the problem is and then its up to the willingness of the recipeint to intiate their own healing process in order to access a higher expression. People do not see their own issues and need the assitance of others not neccessarily a shaman. Imposing influence on the ego, not the spirit.

Many cultures had a tradition of prohibiting their medicine people from working with others until they reached a certain age. This is supported by astrological aspects. It has to less with the soul and more to do with the responsiblity of working with another' person's psyche. Or mind. And its conditions.



This work is always done as a pure soul.

I have been practicing this since I was a very young whippersnapper. I am 71 not and do not feel that age has anything to do with it. From what I have been taught by my teachers (not Earth-based), a so-called "shaman" (or whatever name you want to call them) never is the one doing the work. They are simply a vessel through which the actual work takes place. As for having the ability to enter an altered state of conscientiousness, it is something I have been doing since I was born. I do know what my name is, but it is something I never share as it is only for me to recognize. I am not even sure that the name is of Earth as it was spelled phonetically.

Also, I do not believe in the bloodline theory of "special" people holding more ability to do this work. Anyone has the ability if they choose to use it...at any age or culture. The most powerful of these healers are the most humble and many prefer to do their work without fanfare or naming because they recognize that ego has no place in this work. It is always done for the benefit of others. It is a life of service to others without any manner of fame or wealth playing a factor in the practice. The desire to this comes from the Human mind/ego.

i have little use for conspiracy theories as to who we are being ruled or controlled by as that has to do with our physical bodies. It has no bearing on the pure soul. I find to spend time on this issue is to waste time that I could be spending traveling as a pure soul. Also, my lack of fear when coming into contact with entities that are different than we are has enabled me to communicate with anything.

I am aided by animals, plants, stones, ETs, and so on. I always travel or enter an altered state with an Obsidian shield wrap around my soul. My intent is always neutral so that what needs to come through to help is able to. I do work primarily with Black Jaguar, Orca, Crow, a Fire and a Chaos Dragon, Dog, Wolf, to name a few.

I have often been asked when someone could call themselves a shaman and I reply "When it does not matter to you that you are." A true shaman has no ego involved in their work because it is not them that is doing the work.

I shared the information above because I wanted to put that out at the beginning of any comments I am going to make on this thread.

My work is always free. All my websites are free, as is any teaching done there.

In addition to the two listed in my signature, I have the website www.animalspirits.com All the information is free and there are over 300 animals and their teaching on the site. All the animals determined what order they came in, their picture, and the wisdom they wanted on the site. I just typed. If you visit it, I hope you enjoy your time with the animals.

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I believe that everything that happens in life is a lesson. If you are able, you learn the lesson, drop the rest as baggage, and move the knowledge learned to the soul where it is not lost.

Everything that happens to the physical body affects the soul because that is why we are here...to experience physical lessons so the soul grows. The souls of people that have hard lives have the opportunity to learn the most and move much more knowledge to the soul. Those that lead easy lives have souls that learn little.

The greatest challenge to advancing spiritually is to recognize and control the physical Human mind/ego. One must learn to be able to separate the two...the physical mind/ego and the soul. The mind/ego always wants to exert control over the soul. That can be an internal lifelong fight that many never conquer.

Fear is a path stopper. One cannot advance soul-wise while contained in the "fear box". It will stop you every time. It will cause you doubt and guide you to belief systems that seek to control you. One must have the courage and lack of fear to look at the unknown square in the face and not flinch.

[animalspirits]

Except that the days of the week are mostly named after Norse gods.

Being half Norse, I gotta give you more than a "thanks!"

So here it is:

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[Ishtar]

Animalspirits, you mention the importance of the shaman not acting from their ego. But then you go on to imply, and certainly many readers will infer from your posts, that you are a better shaman than any other in this thread because you don't charge for it, you've been doing it since birth and that you are 71, and thus older. And you can't see any ego in that?

If I see a shaman, no matter how rookie they are in their path, making an effort to explain to others who may not have heard about it, what it is and how it works, I would only join in if it was to support them. Even if I thought they had some stuff wrong, I'd find a way to correct it without trying to make myself look better than them. I hope I would do that anyway.

I believe that is it pure ego to try to make yourself look superior by pushing down the efforts of others, which is exactly the sort of pyramid power raiding that our society is built on. Most of my work is about helping people to reclaim their power, and show them that are better and more holistic ways of becoming empowered than by stealing it from others, so I'm very aware when I see it in action.

[9eagle9]

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Also, I do not believe in the bloodline theory of "special" people holding more ability to do this work.

But somehow by your own admission there are people who have gifts and some who don't. It's a gift. Your gift? So what is the difference? People who have a bloodline that carries a specifiic expression of retaining certain knowledge is different than a gifted person ....how? Explain the intrinsic difference to me.

It is always done for the benefit of others. It is a life of service to others without any manner of fame or wealth playing a factor in the practice. The desire to this comes from the Human mind/ego.

Which can quickly turn into yet another slave mentatlity of servitiude if we are not careful about the conditions ones is placing on what we do. If the world is made a better place by doing this sort of thing, my world is made a better place by default. I can't always get away from how it benefits me nor would I try to. It happens by default. If one is derving satisfaction from doing this they are in fact benefiting from it. If one doesn't derive satisfaction from it why are they doing it?

I believe our earliest ancestors could all pretty much do it, but for one reason or another, the technique has been forgotten in the West.


Yes ...in part one of those techniques of retrieving ANCIENT information from their DNA has been put down as irrelevant But because its self preserving it doesn't matter only to those who bother to intiate it. The mere act of talking about it can intiate that sort of activation regardless of what anyone 'thinks' or believes. Beliefs are conditions.

DNA carries information. Our ancients knew a lot about DNA and that's its basic function, to carry information....so theres a certain information about human origins contained in bloodlines . The ability to retrieve information from one's DNA is alternately glorified and then denied...lol. it's not a gift, eveyrone has DNA . Fortunately one arrives at the point where their higher expression exerts influence on the phsyical and the DNA starts burping things up regardless of what anyone believes.

I never have tried to make a living doing this work.. It is a gift. I don't believe in charging people for something that is a gift.

Of course, there are those that believe that if energy is exchanged then they have to either pay or give you a gift.

Perhaps....Because of the deeply wounded psyche they may feel that is the only thing they can give in return. There are people who are so invalidated they want to do whatever it is they can, no matter how small to show they can contribute something. Who are we to judge that? Are we judging them...or ourselves.

They want to contribute something in some small way and feel they are doing something and we judge it .We are then attaching more meaning to money and even diminishing further the people who are attempting to offer us somethign because they percieve that is the only thing they have to give. Until we have a chance to show them otherwise. This is what we are subtly establishing here: Your money and by assocation , you, is so inferior in comparison to my Gift. This is understanding the psyche of the people we are working with. We need to understand how people wrap up their self identity and value in money. And be careful with that knowledge. Because that is their psyche we are working in.

People are not dumb but they are conditioned. They view people who undervalue themselves and their alleged gifts as having the same problem as them. Lack of self value. I've had lots of people state to me. "You must not be very good ,you don't charge very much." Then...they can pay me whatever they want. Let them have the power to assign a value to it. There's always something to be learned no matter how 'gifted' we are and one of the the thiings we learn most is how people percieve themselves via money.


It is like they feel you are taking their energy.

yes sometimes expressed as victims. Someone is always stealing their power. Giving one's power away is a choice.

The shaman conned by the victim. Victims are notoriously hard to work with.They come to your doorstep so you will be another abuser, taking from them. And in our guilt mechanisms we allow them to make us their abuser and they re-establish they are a victim. Not really doing anyone any favors including ourselves. In fact after awhile after not paying you will start making them feel bad by not accepting payment and again you become the abuser.

Not realizing this was a choice they intiated. I also have to smile at those who establish right off the fact they can't pay...what they are stating is....I have no self value. Law of attaction again. People with certain sorts of self value issues typically express this by having no money..

They are unwilling to place even a tiny bit of value , even in a monetary sense, on themselves because they are a victim of thier own lack of self value. And we encourage that. They are also are notorious for not doing their work because they get free attention that they'd otherwise --invest in themselves . Granted I think it would be sad for me to charge someone just to pay attention to them that really should be free. But we encourage all these conditions none the less. They don't need attention, the whole victim mechanism ensures they get attention, they need to know who they are before all these artificial constructs are intiated. We risk constructing more by agreeement, by contract.

They don't want to do their work they want attention to re-establish the fact they are victims. Free means it has no value to them so they are not investing in themselves. Essentially they are informing me they want me to view them as a victim and I won't go there. This is their subconscious expressions. I don't care how much they pay me or don't pay me, I'm not re-establishing that to them. And they will get angry at me for it but I won't re-establish slavery or victimhood for any reason or any amount of money. it is very easy to tell the difference between a person who has fallen on hard times and proffesional victim.

Some proffessional victims want to pay a LOT though because they feel it means they 've paid you off so you shouldn't expect them to do their work . A sort of leverage. Emotional extortion. They are tempting you to invalidate yourself. ...lol. They want you to tell them what they want to hear; not what they should know. They wnat something else to believe about themselves and who better than a person who has a lot of beliefs to dole out.

When one realizes they are in victim mode and are willing to work that out they realize that no one can take their energy. Therefore don't mind paying. They begin to know what value and how its tied up in money really means or is meaningless. They realize they have choices. Part of this shamanic work is realizing what is going on in a person's psyche. Its easy to see when someone is establishing themselves as a victim right from the start. We then help them re-entrench and re-establish these roles?.

It's a GIFT? That's not a assignment of special? If everyone is gifted than I suppose its no longer a gift. 'I'm gifted' means I'm special. Rather than just something that is expressing itself naturally when our conditions are removed. What is the gift? The ability? Everyone has abiltiies, not everyone has the wherewithall to manage those abilities.

Gift is a fawtly tranlation of I AM PRESENT. I AM in the present. NOT A PRESENT....lol. It's our PRESENTce. Non 'gifted' people who are very present are just as likely to heal in an unconscious spontaneous way as they are not effected with these conditions that seem to come part and parcel in the medicine world. Words create contracts . Medicine people should know this , no? Isn't that what we are doing is re-negotiating contracts. . We don't realize that using gifted establishes a condition right off the bat so their ego mind can create a polarizing opposite conditon. Ungifted.We should know these things because these conditions are present in the people we are working with. How people are going to RESPOND is in part our RESPONS-ability, no?

Concerning the law of attraction it would pecuilar if we were gifted and then denied a gift energy given to us...energy attracts like energy. Why? Is the LOA faulty or are our reasonings faulty? Why we does who extoll the virtues of natural law then deny those laws when they begin to express themselves.

The only gift we have to give is the gift of each other's PRESENT-ce. Some people are so conditioned they cannot be fully Present. There's a greater expression to one's presence if there's not all these conditions put on them. Healers are supposed to show how to remove conditions not impose more by their 'beliefs'.

Service to others quickly becomes servitude to others , martyr complex. If I'm truly not a slave I'm not going to fall into those servitiude roles so easily. Can a slave teach another to be free?

Listening to the input of those I'm working with one has to determine if you are going to make them inferior by refusing payment what they percieve is the only gift they can givet. That is when THEY become the teacher. Encouraging those who are conditoned to believe they are poor and can't pay keeps them from investing in themselves, showing themselves they are worth something . I have found that when I am well supported I needn't expect payment. I have found that working for others takes away the energy I can invest in others. They are not getting one hundred percent from me regardless if they are paying me or not.

I have found all sorts of different circumstances in these matters until I just learned to let it BE and stop judging myself. I don't care what people charge I do care very much about imposing more conditions in an already over conditioned world.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Hi Fred. To answer your question, I remember my last lifetime as a priestess of Ishtar, which is why I was given that name by my spirit guides on my initiation. So some of the things I talk about come from those remembered experiences, the understanding then about the nature and function of the Annunaki being one of them. From those experiences, whenever I read the Enuma Elish or the Descent of Inanna, or any of the Sumerian/Babylonian texts, I'm reminded of what I already know.

I know others have different ideas about Annunaki. I have no wish to quarrel with them, only to talk from own experience. It is my experience that a new back story is being created for humanity now that Christianity has failed as a control measure, and it is one in which the Annunaki are being discredited. I don't believe these stories myself.

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Yes, Ulli, I have heard of Rollo. He was Archdruid of Ynys Witrin (Glastonbury) before I got here. Now the Archdruid is Drew Miles who is very good in that role.


You are correct , i have had meetings with Annunaki as well. They are sad about how they are being portrayed by our media. I can vouch that they are not against us indeed they help us.


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[9eagle9]

And how are the Annunaki helping us?

[animalspirits]

Animalspirits, you mention the importance of the shaman not acting from their ego. But then you go on to imply, and certainly many readers will infer from your posts, that you are a better shaman than any other in this thread because you don't charge for it, you've been doing it since birth and that you are 71, and thus older. And you can't see any ego in that?

If I see a shaman, no matter how rookie they are in their path, making an effort to explain to others who may not have heard about it, what it is and how it works, I would only join in if it was to support them. Even if I thought they had some stuff wrong, I'd find a way to correct it without trying to make myself look better than them. I hope I would do that anyway.

I believe that is it pure ego to try to make yourself look superior by pushing down the efforts of others, which is exactly the sort of pyramid power raiding that our society is built on. Most of my work is about helping people to reclaim their power, and show them that are better and more holistic ways of becoming empowered than by stealing it from others, so I'm very aware when I see it in action.

Boy, that post struck a nerve! LOL. If you felt that I was posting what I posted out of ego, then you failed to understand that I was simply giving my own history with respect to this...as well as my views (which I do know is shared by many). I write concisely and my posts tend to not be long. Some people have a problem with that.

As I read your post, ego came screaming out at me as well. You don't seem to want anyone to state anything different from what you are doing. IMO, your post tried to do exactly to me what you were claiming I was doing...dis-empower me. Hon, that has been tried by people far more powerful than you without success.

I don't remember even discussing how I teach anything, so it would seem that drawing conclusions about that is coming from somewhere other than me.

I have taken a lot of flack from those that practice and charge for their healing work because I do not.

If you somehow felt dis-empowered by my posts, that was not my intention. My intention was to disagree with you about some of what you posted. I would assume that any healer would have thick enough skin to discuss differences in a more positive manner, but I guess that was too much to expect.

You will continue to do it your way and I will continue to do it my way...which is fine by me. I don't have a Horse in this race.

[Ishtar]

9eagle9, thank you so much for your last post but one. It was such a patient and reasoned explanation of all the ramifications around the management of power in our dealing with clients. It's something I spent more than a year in training in. I was very shocked at first about how much power I had stolen from others, and how I'd allowed others to steal power from me. It was second nature. Nobody had ever suggested any other way of behaving, and I learned this kind of horse trading in my family, as a child, along with the sibling rivalry. I was shocked as I began to realise how much I had given my power away, at times. I had literally handed it to people and then wondered why my relationships with them then went wrong. When I first started healing, about 30 years ago, I always used to give my friends free healing, and in every single case, after the free healing, the relationship went wrong. I felt that they started to resent me in some way and then they would avoid me.

I think it is very important for shamans to understand how to manage their power, not least so that we can teach others how to do it, if required. I have written a blog post on this subject called Eating People Is Wrong, and I'd like to share it here, if I may?

Eating People Is Wrong

My parents used to have this book: Eating People Is Wrong. I never read it, but nowadays I’m wondering if I should. People talk about vampiric magic, but you don’t have to be the victim of a red-in-tooth-’n-claw Dracula to get your power sucked dry – and either it’s getting worse or maybe I’m just noticing it more, just like smokers suddenly stink when you’ve given up cigarettes.

Just because blood-sucking vampires appear in myths and movies, it doesn’t mean that they are solely mythological or fictional creatures. Hollywood vampires suck on human blood in order to survive. Blood has long been synonymous with life force, going back tens of thousands of years and represented by hematite or red ochre in shamanic rituals. The archetypal vampire, Dracula, originated from Southeast Europe, but his was not the first vampire story. The ancient Mesopotamians, Hebrews and Romans had tales of demons and spirits that would drink blood and feast on flesh. So even they knew that eating people was wrong.

I know many magicians — some real and others, well … I don’t want to be unkind but it’s as if they’ve swallowed Harry Potter whole. These Hogwarts wannabees don’t have any real power at all. The spirits don’t communicate with them and so they don’t get any information or guidance about what to do. So they’re reduced to stealing power from others. However, they are only doing consciously what all of us have been taught to do unconsciously from the cradle. We imbibed these vampiric power plays with our mother’s milk, and as we grew, we unconconsciously adopted behavioural techniques — mainly in our interactions with our siblings but also with our parents as role models — which amounted to nothing more than stealing each others’ power.

The shaman in training has to first confront this Hammer horror — the realisation that they’ve been born into Planet Vampire and brought up and encouraged to throw out energetic streamers and suckers to feed on others, and that everyone they know is some kind of succubus, even their own mother — and then they have to work out how to transcend the vampiric realm in order to be able to own and stand in their own power.

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Metaphors for overcoming this particular daemon and the subsequent attendant rebirth of the spiritual adept are found in all mythologies, and usually end with the hero tackling the dragon/serpent and then bruising its head with his heel.

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You won’t get any shamanic or real magical power until you overcome this dragon. This is because, it is my experience that the spirits are not going to give anyone any power if it’s just going to drain out of them, like water out of colander. You have to build a container to hold it and this requires, not least, living in truth and honouring others’ boundaries. They also want you to start working with some real, clean, unadulterated rocket fuel and not some dirty old lawnmower petrol you siphoned off from someone else. Or crisp, newly-minted notes is another good analogy. Because just like any paper currency, the more power is traded and passed around, the more worn and filthy and dog-eared it becomes, until eventually it disintegrates altogether and goes back to the Earth.

Learning to stand protected and whole in your own power is more than about guarding yourself with all the million-and-one methods of psychic protection available to the modern-day magical practitioner — from the Lesser Banishing ritual and the four pillars, to the blue translucent egg and the fiery pentagram to mention just a few. That’s because it’s no good using your intention to magically construct one of these energetic devices before setting off down the road if the first thing you’re then going to do is hand over your decision-making ability to the next person you meet at the bus stop just because they’ve got a bigger hat.

Even if they’re your boss, you have to learn to manage your power around them, and you will eventually get quite skillful in these sorts of situations.

But it’s best to start off small, at first. Don’t go straight for the might of the military-industrial juggernaut. Parity begins at home. Begin with your partner and your immediate friends and then watch as your whole life starts to transform. As you change the microcosm, the macrocosm will very often follow suit.

Of course, not allowing others to steal your power may make you quite unpopular at times. There are all sorts of unwritten contracts between vampires, and refusing to offer up the jugular often finds you in breach of one of them. Even not taking someone’s power when it’s being offered you willingly can cause the offerer to feel hurt or confused by your behaviour, although they don’t know why. They only know that this coping mechanism has always worked for them in the past, and so they don’t understand why it’s not working on you now. However, they don’t realise that the issue between you is about power — they just know that they feel uncomfortable around you — and so they decide they don’t like you for some other spurious reason, like your nose is too big.

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There are various techniques and exercises which you can use to replenish your own power reserves without having to resort to plundering the power of others. One of these entails drawing energy up from our mother the Earth, who is more than happy to supply us with power and also to take away our empties. There is one exercise I teach called The Rising Light Below. Another is called Diving Through the Moon Pool and uses the Moon card of the Tarot. I teach both these techniques to my clients, either in person or via Skype. So do contact me if you’d like to learn more.

The matter of power — who owns it, who keeps it, who’s giving it away — is key to the shamanic practitioner, who knows that the source of most dis-ease is lack of power. And in teaching my clients how to reclaim their power, they become re-empowered and well again very quickly and then they are on their way. I have very few repeat appointments with people because they don’t need them. I can solve their problem in just one or two sessions. Spiritual healers who have you coming back every six weeks for “top-ups” are just creating a dependency on you so that they can continue to steal your power, in the form of your time and money. And by the way, watch out for all those big gorilla hugs – sometimes the vampire … er sorry, healer offering the huge hug needs it more than you do. And once they’ve wrapped their energy body around yours, they will suck till you’re dry.

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Sure, they may not realise they’re stealing your power. But that doesn’t help you, does it, when you’re left feeling like a limp used condom on the morning after the night before?

I’ve just looked up Eating People is Wrong on Amazon. It turns out to be Malcolm Bradbury’s first novel, about university life, and here’s a telling quote from it.

“Moreover, all his life, Treece had been doing things that he did not exactly want to do, journeying off on holidays he had no intention of taking, watching plays he did not wish to see, playing sports he detested, simply because someone had gone to the trouble to persuade him, simply because he felt they cared, simply…well, simply because he could not say no. He always thought what a hard time of it he would have had if he had been a woman; he would have been pregnant all the time.”

I can’t think of a better description of someone who’s given away all their power.

If you think this sounds a little like you, or how you’ve been feeling lately, don’t worry. A shaman can help you get your power back. It’s one of the things we do.

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[animalspirits]

[QUOTE=animalspirits;353390][QUOTE=Ishtar;353283][QUOTE=animalspirits;353269]
Also, I do not believe in the bloodline theory of "special" people holding more ability to do this work.

But somehow by your own admission there are people who have gifts and some who don't. It's a gift. Your gift? So what is the difference? People who have a bloodline that carries a specifiic expression of retaining certain knowledge is different than a gifted person ....how? Explain the intrinsic difference to me.

It is always done for the benefit of others. It is a life of service to others without any manner of fame or wealth playing a factor in the practice. The desire to this comes from the Human mind/ego.

Which can quickly turn into yet another slave mentatlity of servitiude if we are not careful about the conditions ones is placing on what we do. If the world is made a better place by doing this sort of thing, my world is made a better place by default. I can't always get away from how it benefits me nor would I try to. It happens by default. If one is derving satisfaction from doing this they are in fact benefiting from it. If one doesn't derive satisfaction from it why are they doing it?

I believe our earliest ancestors could all pretty much do it, but for one reason or another, the technique has been forgotten in the West.


Yes ...in part one of those techniques of retrieving ANCIENT information from their DNA has been put down as irrelevant But because its self preserving it doesn't matter only to those who bother to intiate it. The mere act of talking about it can intiate that sort of activation regardless of what anyone 'thinks' or believes. Beliefs are conditions.

DNA carries information. Our ancients knew a lot about DNA and that's its basic function, to carry information....so theres a certain information about human origins contained in bloodlines . The ability to retrieve information from one's DNA is alternately glorified and then denied...lol. it's not a gift, eveyrone has DNA . Fortunately one arrives at the point where their higher expression exerts influence on the phsyical and the DNA starts burping things up regardless of what anyone believes.

I never have tried to make a living doing this work.. It is a gift. I don't believe in charging people for something that is a gift.

Of course, there are those that believe that if energy is exchanged then they have to either pay or give you a gift.

Perhaps....Because of the deeply wounded psyche they may feel that is the only thing they can give in return. There are people who are so invalidated they want to do whatever it is they can, no matter how small to show they can contribute something. Who are we to judge that? Are we judging them...or ourselves.

They want to contribute something in some small way and feel they are doing something and we judge it .We are then attaching more meaning to money and even diminishing further the people who are attempting to offer us somethign because they percieve that is the only thing they have to give. Until we have a chance to show them otherwise. This is what we are subtly establishing here: Your money and by assocation , you, is so inferior in comparison to my Gift. This is understanding the psyche of the people we are working with. We need to understand how people wrap up their self identity and value in money. And be careful with that knowledge. Because that is their psyche we are working in.

People are not dumb but they are conditioned. They view people who undervalue themselves and their alleged gifts as having the same problem as them. Lack of self value. I've had lots of people state to me. "You must not be very good ,you don't charge very much." Then...they can pay me whatever they want. Let them have the power to assign a value to it. There's always something to be learned no matter how 'gifted' we are and one of the the thiings we learn most is how people percieve themselves via money.


It is like they feel you are taking their energy.

yes sometimes expressed as victims. Someone is always stealing their power. Giving one's power away is a choice.

The shaman conned by the victim. Victims are notoriously hard to work with.They come to your doorstep so you will be another abuser, taking from them. And in our guilt mechanisms we allow them to make us their abuser and they re-establish they are a victim. Not really doing anyone any favors including ourselves. In fact after awhile after not paying you will start making them feel bad by not accepting payment and again you become the abuser.

Not realizing this was a choice they intiated. I also have to smile at those who establish right off the fact they can't pay...what they are stating is....I have no self value. Law of attaction again. People with certain sorts of self value issues typically express this by having no money..

They are unwilling to place even a tiny bit of value , even in a monetary sense, on themselves because they are a victim of thier own lack of self value. And we encourage that. They are also are notorious for not doing their work because they get free attention that they'd otherwise --invest in themselves . Granted I think it would be sad for me to charge someone just to pay attention to them that really should be free. But we encourage all these conditions none the less. They don't need attention, the whole victim mechanism ensures they get attention, they need to know who they are before all these artificial constructs are intiated. We risk constructing more by agreeement, by contract.

They don't want to do their work they want attention to re-establish the fact they are victims. Free means it has no value to them so they are not investing in themselves. Essentially they are informing me they want me to view them as a victim and I won't go there. This is their subconscious expressions. I don't care how much they pay me or don't pay me, I'm not re-establishing that to them. And they will get angry at me for it but I won't re-establish slavery or victimhood for any reason or any amount of money. it is very easy to tell the difference between a person who has fallen on hard times and proffesional victim.

Some proffessional victims want to pay a LOT though because they feel it means they 've paid you off so you shouldn't expect them to do their work . A sort of leverage. Emotional extortion. They are tempting you to invalidate yourself. ...lol. They want you to tell them what they want to hear; not what they should know. They wnat something else to believe about themselves and who better than a person who has a lot of beliefs to dole out.

When one realizes they are in victim mode and are willing to work that out they realize that no one can take their energy. Therefore don't mind paying. They begin to know what value and how its tied up in money really means or is meaningless. They realize they have choices. Part of this shamanic work is realizing what is going on in a person's psyche. Its easy to see when someone is establishing themselves as a victim right from the start. We then help them re-entrench and re-establish these roles?.

It's a GIFT? That's not a assignment of special? If everyone is gifted than I suppose its no longer a gift. 'I'm gifted' means I'm special. Rather than just something that is expressing itself naturally when our conditions are removed. What is the gift? The ability? Everyone has abiltiies, not everyone has the wherewithall to manage those abilities.

Gift is a fawtly tranlation of I AM PRESENT. I AM in the present. NOT A PRESENT....lol. It's our PRESENTce. Non 'gifted' people who are very present are just as likely to heal in an unconscious spontaneous way as they are not effected with these conditions that seem to come part and parcel in the medicine world. Words create contracts . Medicine people should know this , no? Isn't that what we are doing is re-negotiating contracts. . We don't realize that using gifted establishes a condition right off the bat so their ego mind can create a polarizing opposite conditon. Ungifted.We should know these things because these conditions are present in the people we are working with. How people are going to RESPOND is in part our RESPONS-ability, no?

Concerning the law of attraction it would pecuilar if we were gifted and then denied a gift energy given to us...energy attracts like energy. Why? Is the LOA faulty or are our reasonings faulty? Why we does who extoll the virtues of natural law then deny those laws when they begin to express themselves.

The only gift we have to give is the gift of each other's PRESENT-ce. Some people are so conditioned they cannot be fully Present. There's a greater expression to one's presence if there's not all these conditions put on them. Healers are supposed to show how to remove conditions not impose more by their 'beliefs'.

Service to others quickly becomes servitude to others , martyr complex. If I'm truly not a slave I'm not going to fall into those servitiude roles so easily. Can a slave teach another to be free?

Listening to the input of those I'm working with one has to determine if you are going to make them inferior by refusing payment what they percieve is the only gift they can givet. That is when THEY become the teacher. Encouraging those who are conditoned to believe they are poor and can't pay keeps them from investing in themselves, showing themselves they are worth something . I have found that when I am well supported I needn't expect payment. I have found that working for others takes away the energy I can invest in others. They are not getting one hundred percent from me regardless if they are paying me or not.

I have found all sorts of different circumstances in these matters until I just learned to let it BE and stop judging myself. I don't care what people charge I do care very much about imposing more conditions in an already over conditioned world.

Good Lord! That was confusing.

Souls do not have DNA and do not follow bloodlines. They don't need to as they are beyond that.

How helping others can be turned in a "slave mentality" is beyond me. I just don't even understand that.

What I am about is trying to assist Humans to recognize and get out of the boxes that have them trapped. IMO, too much time is spent looking backward and not enough looking forward. Perhaps the reason I do not look to the past is because I have dropped all that as baggage I no longer need. My soul contains the knowledge I need for my own soul path.

Humans over think the spiritual. They get trapped by their mind/egos into boxes that they never escape from. The time has come to get out of those boxes and get ready for the ascension...and we do not have much time in order to do this.

Animals, Plants, Stones...everything but Humans are far ahead of us in this respect. We prefer to stay trapped in our minds worrying about things that just are not important to ascension.

[Ishtar]

I'm sorry you feel that way, AnimalSpirits. This is not my thread, even though I started it, and I appreciate that all threads have a life of their own and have a habit of wandering around all over the place. But I will say that it was my intention here to help others who hadn't heard about shamanism, shamanic healing and shamanic techniques to learn more about them, and to see how shamanism could help them in their lives, and it will be a shame if it descends into one where shamans are telling each other what to do and how to operate in their practice, which, in my view, is how religions start, when one person thinks they know better than another about how things should be done.

The only criteria, as far as the person looking for help is concerned is described in the opening post: "Can this person, the shaman, help me by journeying into the Three Worlds and contacting the spirits and gain from them guidance, healing and information to help me or my community."

After that, how long the shaman has been able to do that, whether they're in a bloodline of shamans or not, whether they've done it from birth and whether they charge for it or not are all secondary consideration and of minimal interest to the person who's just trying to figure out from this thread how shamanism and shamanic healing can help them.

You may not have realised it, but you did announce yourself into this thread by criticising how the other shamans here ran their practices. It was irrelevant to the discussions, in my opinion, and I wouldn't have mentioned anything about egoism if you hadn't made such a point about the importance of being egoless.

[animalspirits]

I'm sorry you feel that way, AnimalSpirits. This is not my thread, even though I started it, and I appreciate that all threads have a life of their own and have a habit of wandering around all over the place. But I will say that it was my intention here to help others who hadn't heard about shamanism, shamanic healing and shamanic techniques to learn more about them, and to see how shamanism could help them in their lives, and it will be a shame if it descends into one where shamans are telling each other what to do and how to operate in their practice, which, in my view, is how religions start, when one person thinks they know better than another about how things should be done.

The only criteria, as far as the person looking for help is concerned is described in the opening post: "Can this person, the shaman, help me by journeying into the Three Worlds and contacting the spirits and gain from them guidance, healing and information to help me or my community."

After that, how long the shaman has been able to do that, whether they're in a bloodline of shamans or not, whether they've done it from birth and whether they charge for it or not are all secondary consideration and of minimal interest to the person who's just trying to figure out from this thread how shamanism and shamanic healing can help them.

You may not have realised it, but you did announce yourself into this thread by criticising how the other shamans here ran their practices. It was irrelevant to the discussions, in my opinion, and I wouldn't have mentioned anything about egoism if you hadn't made such a point about the importance of being egoless.

I didn't announce anything. I simply posted a post. Following that line of reasoning, you have certainly announced a whole bunch of stuff in this thread as well...far more than I have. What makes what you write more correct than what I write? Nothing as far as I can tell.

If stating that one differs on how someone else does things is criticizing, then no one would learn the differences involved in the practice of shamanism which I find wrong. You may not have realized how that sounded...I don't know you.

I do intend to offer different viewpoints about posts in this thread if I have them.

I would even venture to say that every shaman practices differently from the others...and that one needs to be very careful who they allow to work on them.

I prefer to empower people to solve their own problems.

[Fred Steeves]

Uh oh, shaman battle.:boink:

[Lord Sidious]

Come on shamanuggets, calm down.
Lightsabres and organic carrots trump energy skills every day. :p

[Arrowwind]

Money money money.
I just have to laugh.
If you measure yourself by money, or allow yourself to allow others to measure you by money, if you support others in their addiction to measuring by money, you are just plain old into money.

When you brake the pattern, only then are you free, only then is your gift free, only then can you share unconditionally with someone. Only then can you fully share the power of love... the unconditional power of soul meeting soul with no measure for returns, profits or accounting.

each healer, each shaman, if you will, will attract to them those who will provide to them as practitioners, exactly what they need to learn and express to get to their next level of realization.

and it is clear to me that when you get to this point all that you need will come to you...and it may or may not be money

[Lisab]

Thankyou for this thread Ishtar.Its really enlightening. I think there's a bit of full moon madness at the moment, not just this thread! Please carry on Im really enjoying altho Ive still got to get through the articles. Looking forward to it. x

[Ishtar]

OK, I'll try! ;)

It's really making me laugh, actually. We do have a full moon plus we have 11 11 11 plus ... and there's bound to be some Mayan day or other happening, as there often is... does anyone know? All I know is that the Mayan days are getting shorter and shorter as we go into 2012.

Anyway, I'm sure it will all come out in the wash and we'll all be friends. I hope so!

I really just want to say how empowering shamanism and shamanic healing is, and how much it's changed my life. If I come over sounding a bit too dogmatic, I do apologise. But after meditating in various ways for around 40 years at least, and not really getting anywhere apart from gaining low blood pressure and a calm demeanour, I have found that shamanism and shamanic techniques are light years ahead in their transformative nature and within, say, six weeks of first learning how to journey, I was talking face-to-face with the spirits I'd been looking for all my life.

I was enjoying this thread and how we were all of us, shamanic types of all different hues, exchanging information about various techniques without judging one another, and I myself have learned a lot from others too.

So I'm hoping normal service will resume soon! ;)

Love to everyone

[animalspirits]

Uh oh, shaman battle.:boink:

LOL. That's funny. Humor is good for the soul.

[animalspirits]

Come on shamanuggets, calm down.
Lightsabres and organic carrots trump energy skills every day. :p

I don't have a Lightsabre or Carrots. All I have is a :laser:

Will that work? I realize that nothing trumps a lightsabre, but a girl's gotta use something.

LOL

[9eagle9]

Souls do not have DNA and do not follow bloodlines. They don't need to as they are beyond that.

As far as we know souls don't have DNA but the soul influences DNA. Akashic energy is quite quite a lot like DNA information and that isn't a coincedence. Not something I'd care to close my mind to by creating this condtion that the soul does or does not have.All our non physical existences are reflected here in the material world because the soul knows many of us don't have access to the non physical. You can tell a lot about what is happening in non physical realms by looking out into one's environment....someone noted this by saying 'as it is above so it is below. '

All souls enter a bloodline. I haven't noticed any bloodless humans walking around lately. Please show me one.

If souls are 'beyond all that' why are they still permeating a physical shell? Because the consciouness is not aware of all the soul knows because of ....conditions. Beliefs that are held in consciouness or subconciousness. We are not aware of most of the beliefs we hold.

One can consciously arrange for their next incarnation in this lifetime. Didn't one Buddha come into many Buddha Bodies? How are Dali Lami's chosen. Who does those things. A certain race of people. But other bloodlines have been observed doing this for a reason. A trait that is peculiar to the bloodlines I've observed but doesn't mean limited to those bloodlines or races. Is reincarnation random or ....does the soul have something to do with it. If it's all knowing I'm sure it would choose to enter a bloodline . One reason is that bloodline may bring the closed mind in a bit closer to the circumstances of who and what it really is. A child raised in a shamanically generational family would have certain early insights into things that the white bread child raised next door to a 7-11 wouldn't.

How helping others can be turned in a "slave mentality" is beyond me. I just don't even understand that.

When you do understand that very basic conditioning of the human psyche let me know and we will go over it when we've reached a common frame of reference. Most people who are just entered the realms of alternative news and spirituality understand that we were conditioned to be slaves, we work to give it all away to someone in the form of taxes, fines, surcharges. Or for free. Know to ask nothing for ourselves is a virtue so its just easier for them to lead us by our noses. The PTB managed to infiltrate the new age though paradigms and insert it there.. It's WHY we do something for free that is the kicker. What we don't understand is how subtle and insidous slave mentality is.

What I am about is trying to assist Humans to recognize and get out of the boxes that have them trapped.

How do you do that if you are just the vessel and not doing anything? Trying implicates some effort on your part. Perhaps we are bit involved in the process than we are conditoned to believe? And that too is part of the paradigm of slave mentality. We are Just vessels to carry out a function for a higher authority call it God or call it ...Mastah.

Our personal efforts mean nothing in relation to some 'higher' authority? Are these same people the ones they are going to Heaven as a reward for doing nothing? lol.

We are supposed to more be the higher authority espeially if we are possessed of a soul that is 'beyond all that.' If the soul is our higher authority it seems it would give us a higher authority in these dealings.


What are the boxes? Conditions? Do we assist them out of their conditioned boxes by applying more conditions? How? If you don't know what the slave mentality conditioning is how are you going to help someone recognize it when you don't know what it is yourself. It is one of the most subtle, common and insidious filters that we have because its been imbedded in the human psyche for thousands of years. It is insidous how it so subtly manifests itself.

IMO, too much time is spent looking backward and not enough looking forward.

In my personal opinion too much time is spent with the mind fixated on the past and the future when the soul is allegedly timeless and doesn't acknowledge either value ..Is something that is alleged to be eternal worried about time?. You said the soul was beyond all that. So what is looking forward to the future ...the soul or the mind. Must be the mind since the you stated the soul was beyond all 'that'. Past and future is also clever mind trick to keep someone from being in the present. The future is created in the now, the present. or is that all just another catchphrase that we repeat because it sounds handy.

My soul contains the knowledge I need for my own soul path.

That's great so we don't need teachers anymore. Terrific well that's all settled.
but.....

....what if certain conditions are preventing the consciousness from acessing what the soul knows. Which is sort of the point of this topic?

.....thousands of years of observation tells us .....We don't drop our baggage we set our conditions down and then pick up a whole new set of light sounding conditions and think its a spiritual journey. The soul isn't supposed to have conditions, those are values of a physical existence. Again if one cannot differentiate between the two we get all those opposing core beliefs or...conditions. Confusion and conflict over that confusion. We identify with the belief system and we think we are the belief. We invest that much in the belief that we close ourselves to any other possiblity and limit ourselves. Give the higher self something to do and it will do it and all this discourse becomes unneccesary.

This is where all the conflict comes from. Our conditions. A spiritual experience tends to level the playing field. Our physical and consciouness experiences all seem to vary wildly and differently, causing confllct because we are still very much attached to the physical and give it greater importance than the soul. The mind creates conflict. Conflict we have. If the soul creates conflict there's not much point in attempting to access it as it will just bring us right round to where we are now.

Humans over think the spiritual. They get trapped by their mind/egos into boxes that they never escape from. The time has come to get out of those boxes and get ready for the ascension...and we do not have much time in order to do this.

Humans perhaps should not think about the spiritual at all and just let it express itself without imposing judgements and conditions on it. The soul has all the time in the world if it is actually timeless as we have been led to beleive. The physical body may not but its not supposed to be very important anyway.

What does ascenscion mean? Literally? Until someone came along and put a condtions and a new meaning on it.

[B]Animals, Plants, Stones...everything but Humans are far ahead of us in this respect.

Because they lack our sort of conditioning.

Animals , plants, stones they know all about having animal , plant and stone experiences and somehow managed to squeeze in knowing all about the human experience too??!!!

Angels, Spirits, Dead People, Aliens EVERYONE knows more about the human experience than those actually having it!! Let's ask what sorts of belief systems and conditions a rock has.

The things that these animals, plants and stones have in common is they aren't fixated on their belief systems. No one instilled a belief in a stone to teach it how to be a stone. It just sort of naturally expressed itself that way .

.

[Ishtar]

9eagle9, fantastic post! Thank you!

While we're talking about animals and plants being ahead of humans in terms of realising their true natures, I'd like to add in something which I haven't mentioned before.

Another piece of work I do is for the Land. I'm sure you know that there are a quite few shamans that work on the Land with the dragon currents (which have become known in common parlance as 'leylines') and that leylines are a bit like the meridians or nadis of the body which are part of the acupuncture system or yoga.

During my work on the Land around here, I have come into contact with the spirits of the Land, and in fact, no work on the Land is possible without their help as that is their area of governance. These spirits are known in Celtic culture as the Fae (faeries), Sidhe, the Gentry or the Little People (although they are not that little and some of them are huge) but they are known by other names in different cultures.

The wisdom they have been teaching me is about the desired triumvirate alliance between the three peoples: the human people, the Fae people and the animal people. The Fae are a much older, stellar race than us, they tell me ... in other words, they 'fell from the stars' before we did. But they are not people of the sun and their inner worlds in the Earth are starlit. Time for them goes much more slowly too, and they've learned over tens of thousands of years to hide themselves from man, for all the reasons that we're already aware of ~ because he's trashing the environment by squandering the resources and trying to control Nature instead of working alongside and with it ~ and they say that makes man very dangerous to be around and also to himself.

So they tell me that we are here to learn and to evolve into a triumvirate alliance of man, fae and animal. They say that that the animals are already there and the Fae are now waiting for man, who is lagging behind, to wake up to his true nature (perhaps that's what you mean by 'ascend'? Some spiritual systems call it self-realisation or enlightenment.) Anyway, once man has woken up to find his natural place in the cosmos, he will then have the vision and understanding to appreciate the value of all Life, to see Spirit in all Life, and thus to respect and honour all Life.

If anyone would like to know more about the Fae, I have written an article about it and can reproduce it here.

[transiten]

Started reading but had to give up, suffering from a cold my poor brain and soul cannot handle this debate at the moment...Mercury is slowing down, going retro on Nov 24, time for misunderstandings and communication problems...also Mercury is squaring my Mars so even if i don't debate myself i get it in projection. Also Saturn is conjoining my Moon in retrogradation so i caught interest in the spagyric stuff of Ishtar. But what is "pure grain alcohol?"

Surely could need some distant healing. Anything is welcome, i'm a bit worried i'm developing pneumonia...and i'm leaving for Stockholm on Tuesday for my birthday Nov 18...

By the way the snakesymbolism is an appropriate sign of our times. In Mayan mythology Queatzalcoatl "The feathered serpent" is coming to the end of his repentance, having misused his powers. The Venuspassage btw June 6 2004 and June 8 2012 denotes a time when pple will rise up against their opressors and communication teqhniques will have breakthroughs. Not only advanced ET tech but also old ones like Mercury retrograde bringing up schamanism and what about telepathy and upgraded DNA due to the energyfield our whole galaxy is now in for 2000 years?

On the wintersolstice Dec 21 2012 the Earth and the Sun will be in perfect alignment with the Galactic Center where the Ourobourus bites it's own tail in the vicinity of Scorpio, Sagittarius and the 13:th sign Ophiucus "The Serpentbearer"..hope i got the details right..mercury slow, my brain slow...doing things over and over again, maybe i will be back to correct some facts..

Make of it what you wish, as RA states, this dimension is not for understanding....

[Ishtar]

Started reading but had to give up, suffering from a cold my poor brain and soul cannot handle this debate at the moment...Mercury is slowing down, going retro on Nov 24, time for misunderstandings and communication problems...also Mercury is squaring my Mars so even if i don't debate myself i get it in projection. Also Saturn is conjoining my Moon in retrogradation so i caught interest in the spagyric stuff of Ishtar. But what is "pure grain alcohol?"


Pure grain alcohol (PGA) is also known as grain neutral spirits (GNS), and you can buy it here (http://www.webtender.com/db/ingred/31). In the absence of that, I have also used 80 proof vodka, which is almost as good.


I will send you healing....;)


EDIT ADDED LATER at 10.32 am. Have just sent you healing and I will message you with guidance from your spirits. Ishtar

[transiten]

Thanks Ishtar!

Since Saturn is prominent in my chart, and actually 9eagle9 i was born into a "Saturn Box" 12 house Saturn conj Asc square MC, Mars conj Saturn trine Venus in Cap and Jupiter in Cap I suppose this spagyric doesn't only work on the Saturn returns but also any time and at any Saturn transit?

[Ishtar]

Yes, transiten, you don't need to be experiencing your Saturn Return to benefit from a spagyric made from a herb governed by Saturn. But I do recommend taking it on the hour of Saturn which changes daily. You can work out which hour it is from the Planetary Chart (http://www.crucible.org/PDF_Files/Planetary_Charts.pdf) here. Just count the hours from sunrise ~ for instance, today Saturn is most prominent in hours 1 (sunrise) 8, 15 and 22) and of course, today is also Saturn's day.

[transiten]

Yes, transiten, you don't need to be experiencing your Saturn Return to benefit from a spagyric made from a herb governed by Saturn. But I do recommend taking it on the hour of Saturn which changes daily. You can work it from the Planetary Chart (http://www.crucible.org/PDF_Files/Planetary_Charts.pdf) here. Just count the hours from sunrise ~ for instance, today Saturn is most prominent in hours 1 (sunrise) 8, 15 and 22) and of course, today is also Saturn's day.

Thanks Ishtar!

And on Saturday, how appropriate! My life is an endless stream of almost a parallell life of synchronicities helping me feel connected, even if when they first appeared in my life i followed them down to Hell....Did i have a choice at that time? Could i have choosen differently? Or was this something i had decided already before incarnating?

I actually came in contact with schamanism in 1982 when a fellow shoolmate gave me a cassette with some of Harners teachings...and now slow Mercury soon going retro brought Harner back in this thread!

This schoolmate was very special and warmhearted and died soon after, as for me i was in a crisis and rather self fixated (still am) and although searching/working/singing for Peace and Harmony I had to meet this meditation psychopath from another lifetime on Cuba to cut the bond, i was told by a Medium that was also my teacher.

I must admit i find shamanism to be a rather "rough" form of spirituality esp. after my friend told me of her ayahuasca experience in Peru although surveilled by an initiated schaman.
I would never dare to expose myself to that considering my hellish experiences.
This is not judgemental, it might work well for others.

[9eagle9]

People who have done a lot of work on themselves don't typically experience ayahuasca hell. It cleans up the inner landscape and if someone has already excavated and bent their ego a little bit the experience is not quite so intense and sometimes doesn't even have the surreal otherworldly quality that some may experience but will still work. One is not forced to confront what is no longer is owned by them and the experience is entirely different. If one has worked out their demons prior to the rite there's a marked difference in how some experience it.. People who overlay a conscious veneer of peace over their fear conditioning may have a rough ride because that is form of denial of self. It's fast ejection of crud though that one would otherwise have to invest patient hours of self reflection in .

But....there's other plant helper rites similar to ayahuasca that have the same effect and results but are of shorter duration and you can be pulled from the journey if it gets too intense. And some that work over weeks in a very mild expression without the psycho intense inner visions.

We approach these things with the understanding that these rites are developed in cultures that maintained an inner life that was closer to their origins. People didn't get so far away from themelves so the experience isn't so rattling for them. For people in the West who seemed like they wanted to eradicate all forms of natural expression I'm sure its a pretty 'rough' ride . Westernized people have a peculiar way of taking every fable and iota of information and incorporating it as a belief system instead of remaining detached from it and viewing it as a matter of interest, noting the wisdom contained within without embracing it as part of their conscious structure. They aborb everything externally artificial and eventually that stuff has to be purged if one desires an authentic expression. Literally setting baggage down abruptly.

When all those opposing constructs comes down its rough and probably painful as we invest our self identity in them.

[transiten]

Thanks for the input 9eagle9!

Just want to clarify that the traumatic experience with the brainwashing psychopath guru had nothing to do with my schoolmate and the cassette about Harner and schamanism!

[animalspirits]

Souls do not have DNA and do not follow bloodlines. They don't need to as they are beyond that.

As far as we know souls don't have DNA but the soul influences DNA. Akashic energy is quite quite a lot like DNA information and that isn't a coincedence. Not something I'd care to close my mind to by creating this condtion that the soul does or does not have.All our non physical existences are reflected here in the material world because the soul knows many of us don't have access to the non physical. You can tell a lot about what is happening in non physical realms by looking out into one's environment....someone noted this by saying 'as it is above so it is below. '

All souls enter a bloodline. I haven't noticed any bloodless humans walking around lately. Please show me one.

If souls are 'beyond all that' why are they still permeating a physical shell? Because the consciouness is not aware of all the soul knows because of ....conditions. Beliefs that are held in consciouness or subconciousness. We are not aware of most of the beliefs we hold.

One can consciously arrange for their next incarnation in this lifetime. Didn't one Buddha come into many Buddha Bodies? How are Dali Lami's chosen. Who does those things. A certain race of people. But other bloodlines have been observed doing this for a reason. A trait that is peculiar to the bloodlines I've observed but doesn't mean limited to those bloodlines or races. Is reincarnation random or ....does the soul have something to do with it. If it's all knowing I'm sure it would choose to enter a bloodline . One reason is that bloodline may bring the closed mind in a bit closer to the circumstances of who and what it really is. A child raised in a shamanically generational family would have certain early insights into things that the white bread child raised next door to a 7-11 wouldn't.

How helping others can be turned in a "slave mentality" is beyond me. I just don't even understand that.

When you do understand that very basic conditioning of the human psyche let me know and we will go over it when we've reached a common frame of reference. Most people who are just entered the realms of alternative news and spirituality understand that we were conditioned to be slaves, we work to give it all away to someone in the form of taxes, fines, surcharges. Or for free. Know to ask nothing for ourselves is a virtue so its just easier for them to lead us by our noses. The PTB managed to infiltrate the new age though paradigms and insert it there.. It's WHY we do something for free that is the kicker. What we don't understand is how subtle and insidous slave mentality is.

What I am about is trying to assist Humans to recognize and get out of the boxes that have them trapped.

How do you do that if you are just the vessel and not doing anything? Trying implicates some effort on your part. Perhaps we are bit involved in the process than we are conditoned to believe? And that too is part of the paradigm of slave mentality. We are Just vessels to carry out a function for a higher authority call it God or call it ...Mastah.

Our personal efforts mean nothing in relation to some 'higher' authority? Are these same people the ones they are going to Heaven as a reward for doing nothing? lol.

We are supposed to more be the higher authority espeially if we are possessed of a soul that is 'beyond all that.' If the soul is our higher authority it seems it would give us a higher authority in these dealings.


What are the boxes? Conditions? Do we assist them out of their conditioned boxes by applying more conditions? How? If you don't know what the slave mentality conditioning is how are you going to help someone recognize it when you don't know what it is yourself. It is one of the most subtle, common and insidious filters that we have because its been imbedded in the human psyche for thousands of years. It is insidous how it so subtly manifests itself.

IMO, too much time is spent looking backward and not enough looking forward.

In my personal opinion too much time is spent with the mind fixated on the past and the future when the soul is allegedly timeless and doesn't acknowledge either value ..Is something that is alleged to be eternal worried about time?. You said the soul was beyond all that. So what is looking forward to the future ...the soul or the mind. Must be the mind since the you stated the soul was beyond all 'that'. Past and future is also clever mind trick to keep someone from being in the present. The future is created in the now, the present. or is that all just another catchphrase that we repeat because it sounds handy.

My soul contains the knowledge I need for my own soul path.

That's great so we don't need teachers anymore. Terrific well that's all settled.
but.....

....what if certain conditions are preventing the consciousness from acessing what the soul knows. Which is sort of the point of this topic?

.....thousands of years of observation tells us .....We don't drop our baggage we set our conditions down and then pick up a whole new set of light sounding conditions and think its a spiritual journey. The soul isn't supposed to have conditions, those are values of a physical existence. Again if one cannot differentiate between the two we get all those opposing core beliefs or...conditions. Confusion and conflict over that confusion. We identify with the belief system and we think we are the belief. We invest that much in the belief that we close ourselves to any other possiblity and limit ourselves. Give the higher self something to do and it will do it and all this discourse becomes unneccesary.

This is where all the conflict comes from. Our conditions. A spiritual experience tends to level the playing field. Our physical and consciouness experiences all seem to vary wildly and differently, causing confllct because we are still very much attached to the physical and give it greater importance than the soul. The mind creates conflict. Conflict we have. If the soul creates conflict there's not much point in attempting to access it as it will just bring us right round to where we are now.

Humans over think the spiritual. They get trapped by their mind/egos into boxes that they never escape from. The time has come to get out of those boxes and get ready for the ascension...and we do not have much time in order to do this.

Humans perhaps should not think about the spiritual at all and just let it express itself without imposing judgements and conditions on it. The soul has all the time in the world if it is actually timeless as we have been led to beleive. The physical body may not but its not supposed to be very important anyway.

What does ascenscion mean? Literally? Until someone came along and put a condtions and a new meaning on it.

[B]Animals, Plants, Stones...everything but Humans are far ahead of us in this respect.

Because they lack our sort of conditioning.

Animals , plants, stones they know all about having animal , plant and stone experiences and somehow managed to squeeze in knowing all about the human experience too??!!!

Angels, Spirits, Dead People, Aliens EVERYONE knows more about the human experience than those actually having it!! Let's ask what sorts of belief systems and conditions a rock has.

The things that these animals, plants and stones have in common is they aren't fixated on their belief systems. No one instilled a belief in a stone to teach it how to be a stone. It just sort of naturally expressed itself that way .

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I am not even going to go through this long post to post answers to all of it.

I stand by everything I posted. From what you have posted, you are still in a Human box. I suggest that you look at what you wrote about stones and learn from that.

People that try to find proof of their beliefs from either past times or science are allowing their mind/ego to take over and control their souls. Lest you assume I am some woo-woo nut job, I hold a degree in Biology/Microbiology...so I probably understand some of this stuff better than you do.

Also, I fail to understand the "bloodline" importance that you keep posting about. It is part of the physical, not the spiritual. I don't know about you, but my soul drives my physical existence...not the other way around so physical stuff that seems important to some of you just doesn't bother me at all because it is merely a diversion.

I repeat: "Have the courage to look into the unknown without flinching."

[animalspirits]

Thanks for the input 9eagle9!

Just want to clarify that the traumatic experience with the brainwashing psychopath guru had nothing to do with my schoolmate and the cassette about Harner and schamanism!

Did you do any work in the Harner method...such as soul retrieval? Just wondered...

[transiten]

Thanks for the input 9eagle9!

Just want to clarify that the traumatic experience with the brainwashing psychopath guru had nothing to do with my schoolmate and the cassette about Harner and schamanism!

Did you do any work in the Harner method...such as soul retrieval? Just wondered...

Thanks for asking. No, i was coming from the-rapist ashes right into the fire of the brainwashing guru.

[eaglespirit]

People who have done a lot of work on themselves don't typically experience ayahuasca hell. It cleans up the inner landscape and if someone has already excavated and bent their ego a little bit the experience is not quite so intense and sometimes doesn't even have the surreal otherworldly quality that some may experience but will still work. One is not forced to confront what is no longer is owned by them and the experience is entirely different. If one has worked out their demons prior to the rite there's a marked difference in how some experience it.. People who overlay a conscious veneer of peace over their fear conditioning may have a rough ride because that is form of denial of self. It's fast ejection of crud though that one would otherwise have to invest patient hours of self reflection in .

But....there's other plant helper rites similar to ayahuasca that have the same effect and results but are of shorter duration and you can be pulled from the journey if it gets too intense. And some that work over weeks in a very mild expression without the psycho intense inner visions.

We approach these things with the understanding that these rites are developed in cultures that maintained an inner life that was closer to their origins. People didn't get so far away from themelves so the experience isn't so rattling for them. For people in the West who seemed like they wanted to eradicate all forms of natural expression I'm sure its a pretty 'rough' ride . Westernized people have a peculiar way of taking every fable and iota of information and incorporating it as a belief system instead of remaining detached from it and viewing it as a matter of interest, noting the wisdom contained within without embracing it as part of their conscious structure. They aborb everything externally artificial and eventually that stuff has to be purged if one desires an authentic expression. Literally setting baggage down abruptly.

When all those opposing constructs comes down its rough and probably painful as we invest our self identity in them.

Very, very good sharing, 9eagle9...Thank You!
I volunteered at a cultural center in Peru for 6 months in 2010. I did many ceremonies with ayahuasca and san pedro. And my personal experiences and visions and connections are in rhythm with your sharing. I had 'thrown in the towel' with alcohol and drugs 23 years ago...and did the work to look deeply at myself and my own doings as to my discontent with people and life in general back then.
I had enlightening experiences with ayahuasca and did not regurgitate at any time with that medicine doing more than a dozen of ceremonies.
San Pedro was my medicine for connection...as ayahuasca put me on a 'drunk' and I did not feel in control, hints of my old drinking days for me personally...but I got what I needed from the experiences.
Now san pedro...well...it was a wonderful enhancer of my path and learning and connecting...and it did not put me on a 'drunk' and I felt much more in control of my sensing. I actually finished a beautiful dream from 2007 during my 3rd ceremony...a wonderful culmination and solidification of listening to my higher promptings on my journey.
Sooo...just wanted to share a bit because it goes along with Your sharing here : )

Thank You...to All in this thread!

[Sebastion]

Greetings and salutations! I find it necessary to jump in here with some observations which may be helpful.
I see three very knowledgeable people here sharing their own unique perspectives and insights. It is all good and the little things which you don't see eye to eye on are trivial, seemingly in importance. All of you have contributed some really cool stuff and I for one, am grateful for it! Might I say that each one's unique perspective adds to the whole rather then detracts? Let any who follow in the paths you have chosen to describe choose for themselves what is truth for them along the way, as they will do in any event, anyway! I extend my thanks to all of you!

[animalspirits]

Greetings and salutations! I find it necessary to jump in here with some observations which may be helpful.
I see three very knowledgeable people here sharing their own unique perspectives and insights. It is all good and the little things which you don't see eye to eye on are trivial, seemingly in importance. All of you have contributed some really cool stuff and I for one, am grateful for it! Might I say that each one's unique perspective adds to the whole rather then detracts? Let any who follow in the paths you have chosen to describe choose for themselves what is truth for them along the way, as they will do in any event, anyway! I extend my thanks to all of you!

Sebastion,

A mere thank you doesn't seem to be enough...so here is an additional one:

:kiss:

[9eagle9]

I much enjoyed your post too that perspective of the Fey. I have essentially come to know what you stated about the Sidhe. Inhabiting a place called Sidhe Duir made it hard for me to ignore this espeically when the fey prohibit me from punishing my daugher periodially...lol.

We are acutally sentient animals so what is the essential difference between man, animal and the sidthe?. It would seem like we are a composite, having attributes of all three. At one time the Elves were a race of humanoids who were sentient animals . They did not have the conditions and judgements that humans have to today.

Animal ego's are meant for proetection, it serves them, and is meant to keep them from harm. We have one of these too, a primal instinct to leap out of the way when a car is about to hit us. It was necessary for us to have this if we were to inhabit a physical world . Otherwise we'd just stand around--durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrh--while trees fell on us. We'd not last long without that mechanism.

That particular race knew the soul could be used to create, soul forging it was called. It did a lot of things, like create offspring or fashion dwellings from living trees. Repair living organic densities. Less about their consciouness and more about their awareness.

Human are often times more aware of reality when unconsious. Dreams, things of that nature.

But overgrowth of the ego and the consciousness it premeates has become a central driving navigational device that doesn't serve us. We don't see the world the way it really is, its trandlated by our consciouness. Thats why some call it an illusionary world. A deer's ego is a very primal survibal mechanism and causes it to run to preserve itself. Man's ego serves only itself. It really doesn't care about the form its inhabiting as long as the ego is safe. The ego doesn't much like us seeking out a higher intelligeince because that higher intelligence may begin to guide us to places where the ego doesn't feel safe. It would even cause the diminishment of the ego. It is very attached to the physical/ material world and doesn't want this soul forge , this bridge filling in the gap.

And somewhere along the way someone(s) discovered our egos could be manipulated to serve THEM.

That is the essential nature of humans we are sentient animals , composite of animal, spirit, and sentiency, this is what the Sidhe have shown.

So no I don't agree with Asencion as suddenly evaporting into a light body. Or people shifting overnight into angels. That is a new age concept; its core values or conditions aren't new, but rooted in conventional Christianity--Rapture Stories and the Human Form of Jesus ascending up into the heavens. If one pauses to examine their belief systems for flaws one realizes that ascending means what it has always meant --rising. WE rise when we grow lighter. Set our conditions down. I'm not sure what the value of suddenly turing into a beam of light would serve in the physical realms. We'd not be able to interact with it very well. Very much more tuned in beings manage to know of their higher intellgience or retain it , like the Fey, without evaporating into a ball of light. Animals too for that matter. We should know this by observation but we tend to be led astray easily. For some reason we can't trust what we know.

We use our lower form intelligence, Ascencion basically means rising . Not flying off the face of the earth but rising into our higher intelligence. WE may not drop the physical form but we may realize that its not our only state of expression or existence. If we are going to live on the physical expression of the earth and interact with it we need some density. The thing is it doesn't have to be limited to density .

There is this story and I can't remember how I came to know about it , if someone else related it to me or I sorta picked it up along the way. This story related that when man began to fall away from the truth of themselves, , they began to quickly cast off certain aspects of themselves in order to preserve them from destruction. Actual physical vessels to preserve these attributes took physical form and ran away to hide from what Man was becoming to preserve this knowledge and characters so it could be given back to them at some future point in time. Those vessels were animals. And each animal is known for a certain attribute .

I like this story, I don't have to beleive it. Or disbelieve it. And its a metaphor for when we take medicines from animals. That much is certain when we work with animals physical or totemic they tend to awaken in us certain attributes associated with them.


9eagle9, fantastic post! Thank you!

While we're talking about animals and plants being ahead of humans in terms of realising their true natures, I'd like to add in something which I haven't mentioned before.

Another piece of work I do is for the Land. I'm sure you know that there are a quite few shamans that work on the Land with the dragon currents (which have become known in common parlance as 'leylines') and that leylines are a bit like the meridians or nadis of the body which are part of the acupuncture system or yoga.

During my work on the Land around here, I have come into contact with the spirits of the Land, and in fact, no work on the Land is possible without their help as that is their area of governance. These spirits are known in Celtic culture as the Fae (faeries), Sidhe, the Gentry or the Little People (although they are not that little and some of them are huge) but they are known by other names in different cultures.

The wisdom they have been teaching me is about the desired triumvirate alliance between the three peoples: the human people, the Fae people and the animal people. The Fae are a much older, stellar race than us, they tell me ... in other words, they 'fell from the stars' before we did. But they are not people of the sun and their inner worlds in the Earth are starlit. Time for them goes much more slowly too, and they've learned over tens of thousands of years to hide themselves from man, for all the reasons that we're already aware of ~ because he's trashing the environment by squandering the resources and trying to control Nature instead of working alongside and with it ~ and they say that makes man very dangerous to be around and also to himself.

So they tell me that we are here to learn and to evolve into a triumvirate alliance of man, fae and animal. They say that that the animals are already there and the Fae are now waiting for man, who is lagging behind, to wake up to his true nature (perhaps that's what you mean by 'ascend'? Some spiritual systems call it self-realisation or enlightenment.) Anyway, once man has woken up to find his natural place in the cosmos, he will then have the vision and understanding to appreciate the value of all Life, to see Spirit in all Life, and thus to respect and honour all Life.

If anyone would like to know more about the Fae, I have written an article about it and can reproduce it here.

[Ishtar]

Thanks, 9eagle9. Agree with every word of that although the story at the end ... hmmm.... l'll have to chew on that one a bit more. ;) I also had to laugh about the Fae not letting you punish your daughter as in my case, I got into trouble for the opposite, for not being firm enough with her. I tend to be too soft on her... and I was told off about it. :(

[eaglespirit]

I much enjoyed your post too that perspective of the Fey.



If anyone would like to know more about the Fae, I have written an article about it and can reproduce it here.

Hi 9eagle9...Hi Ishtar, Wishing You Well!

Ishtar, I would love to read Your article of the Fae. Thank You ahead...if You reproduce it here!

[Ishtar]

Thank you eaglespirit. I need no further encouragement because I love talking about the Fae. :biggrin:

Having said that, this article doesn't go that deep as it is more in the way of an introduction to the much misunderstood subject of magical lore. The best two authors on this subject are R J Stewart (who just happens to live up the road from me) and Orion Foxwood. I seriously recommend any of their books on the Fae or the Sidhe, but anyway, this may whet the appetite and the pictures are really trippy! :rockon:

LUCIFER, THE FAE AND THE INITIATION INTO THE UNDERWORLD

One of the things I love to teach is the shamanic journey into the Underworld, the purpose of which is to gain guidance, information and healing. Make no mistake, the spirits that live there are real creatures and, even though we have been taught to forget their existence, the inhabitants of the Underworld have never forgotten ours.

The Underworld is a real place; one we visit regularly but one we quickly forget. Any inspired work of art or great musical masterpiece or magnificently designed building started off life as an idea in the Underworld, the nation of images, known to us as the Imagi Nation. Einstein and many other great scientists derived their greatest inspiration from the Underworld.

The shaman apprentice is taught to use what we’ve come to call our Imagi Nation to begin the initiatory journey into the Nation of Images or the Underworld. By using archetypal images to begin, and with a notional letter of recommendation from the shaman, a call sign is sent out to the denizens of the Underworld. And they pick it up and come and collect the journeyer.

After that, we’re no longer in control of the journey, but are taken by the spirits to be shown various phenomena — landscapes, paintings, movies etc — pictures which speak a thousand words, in unimaginably vivid colours, in the form of metaphorical messages for us to unravel. It’s Through the Looking Glass writ large. It’s the Mother Jefferson Starship of all Trippy Artwork.

http://ishtarsgate.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/trippy_artwork.jpg?w=500&h=372

Sometimes, the spirits speak directly to us. We may hear it as a voice in our ear. Usually, the voice speaking uses an archaic way of expressing themselves. At other times, it’s more like an instantaneous download. Sometimes, they will put writing in front of us, oftentimes scrolling up like the credits after a film. They love poetry and rhyme and puns.

So who are these spirits we meet in the Underworld? Well, the Underworld is part of the Dreaming Seed of the Land, albeit that it exists in a dimension that we’re generally unaware of. The Land is part of a dream of the Great Mother and it is there that we find the Underworld. All you have to do is dream. A shamanic journey is a more controlled dream.

The spirits of the Land are made up of two kinds of spirits: the Fae and the Ancestors.

The Fae

The Fae, (otherwise known as the Sidhe or the Gentry or the Little People or the Tuatha da Danaan), are also known as the faeries. So yes, we really do have faeries living at the bottom of our gardens, although they rarely look like the tiny gossamer winged Tinkerbell of Victorian fantasies, or Moth and Peaseblossom of Shakespeare’s Midsummer Night’s Dream. On the contrary, some of them are huge. Some are even covered in fur. But mainly, they look very much like you and me and if you passed one on the street when you were in a hurry, you may not even notice them.

The Fae are spirits of the Land and are not to be confused with goddesses or angels.

The Riders of the Sidhe, by John Duncan
http://ishtarsgate.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/the-riders-of-the-sidhe-john.jpg?w=500&h=320

Another name for the Fae is the Elders, because they fell from the stars at a much earlier Time than we did, and their experience of Time is very different to ours.

The Fae fell from the stars at what’s known in magical circles as the First Utterance. They followed Lucifer in Her fall to Earth, and they protect Lucifer now as She lies in the Land sleeping. Yes, Lucifer is a woman, otherwise known as the Sleeper In The Land, or Sleeping Beauty.

At the Second Utterance, the animals fell to Earth and at the Third, humans fell.

This is the true meaning of the Fall which we find in much mythological literature. It was nothing to do with sinning or being banished from Heaven. That was a much later Christian idea designed to twist the true pagan lore out of all recognition, so that the Church could control the narrative.

Listen up here today because this is the true narrative of the pagan magical lore. You won’t find it in the history books because history hasn’t happened yet.

Lucifer, otherwise known as the Bright One, is sleeping in the Earth and is protected by a briar rose thorn thicket. She will only awake when the Three Utterances — man, animal and faery — come together in Harmony and Love to create the Fourth Utterance. This is the kiss which will awaken the Sleeping Beauty.

http://ishtarsgate.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/sleeping-beauty-spence-l.jpg?w=500&h=275

Enchantment of the Land
The Land is enchanted. There have been perpetual choirs chanting since the Elders first fell from the stars, singing to maintain the sacristy of the Land. The vibrations of the sound created by the perpetual choirs set up protective sonar walls around sacred sites. In Glastonbury, the Fae sing continually, in a sort of folksong-cum-military marching band style, about how they “forever defend the Glassy Wall”. I know because I’ve heard them.

http://ishtarsgate.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/enchanted_land.jpg?w=470&h=353

The Ancestors
We also find our Ancestors in the Underworld, infinitely long, winding and snaking lines of DNA groupings going back tens of thousands of years. When I first met my Ancestors, on my first initiation into the Underworld, they were all lined up along a very long river bank which snaked across the Earth, and I flew over their heads. They were waving and cheering. I didn’t know why …. until we got to the end of the line, and I was shown a family funeral which I had attended on a year before. I was shown that there had been a curse on the family for thousands of years, and I was the one who was going to break it.

I also found my relationship to the Ancestors to be an enormous source of strength when I was undergoing difficulties with my immediate birth family. Even though many family members turned against me, the Ancestors stood by me and without that inner strength they gave me, I’m sure I would have completely lost the plot. (Of course, some of you reading this may think I already have :-) ) Shortly after my father joined the Ancestors, he came to me in a journey to thank me, from the bottom of his heart, for all I had done and was doing.

http://ishtarsgate.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/faeries_path.jpg?w=500&h=523

How to Reach the Underworld
So how do you get there, to meet the Fae and the Ancestors? Well, you will need to be initiated by a shaman. The shaman’s presence during the proceedings acts as your letter of recommendation. There are also certain protocols that have been laid down by those who’ve gone before us along this well-trodden path, and the shaman will be able to teach you those.

The shaman will also make sure that you know how to conduct yourself — in getting into the Underworld, in how you are when you’re there, and in the all-important getting back.

Initiations into the Underworld are my most favourite part of shamanic teaching work, and I always look forward to doing them. It’s like being present at a birth — or perhaps a better term would be rebirth.

[9eagle9]

I like fey stories, I started looking for them on the internet after observing and working with them here on the property years back. Most of the accounts I read though were more scary-supersticious sorts of tales which wasn't at all like the relationships I had developed.

I haven't done fey work as much as I have over the past six months or so, more a personal 'my work' sort of thing than anything to do with what I'd do on a 'for other's basis. So this is inspiring me to make time to return it.

I had just moved back to this property after being gone for 4 years from it. I gave my daughter a house key the day we moved in and told her NOT to lose it, drop it down the toilet, or otherwise misplace it. Which she promptly did, losing it out in the woods. So she's in her room and I'm chewing her out because finding a key in acres of leaf covered woods was probably not in the equation unless we stopped moving furniture and started dousing or dragging out metal detectors. Moving 'mood' you know.

So as I'm chewing her out for promptly losing her key.... it dropped right out of the ceiling. They returned it to her so she'd not be punished. Or to shut me up one or the other...They absolutely adore her and thats what she looks like a giant faery , right down to the pointy ears. A gothic faery with dark eyeliner I should amend.

There was a woman who lived here who'd I'd best describe as a low witch. She used the sort of sticky ick energy that just accumlates in daily life if you don't clear it out. She certainly generated enough of it. Very unpleasant woman who fancied herself as a sort of good witch. She lived with another younger woman who was totally manipulated by her and under her control. Really inane low stuff, hexing, and curses things like that to control this younger woman who was very troubled to begin with. The older woman made all these bizarre and rather horrendoous smelling 'clearing' oils that one would associate with unpleasant sorts of rituals. Like if one held Beltane festivities in a garbage dump sort of way...not to be taken seriously just really unpleasant.

So after they move out and I move in there's all this cob webby sticky binding energy all over the house. The older woman's energy signature. Being tired from moving I figured I'd deal with it in the morning , so I fall asleep in typical just moved in fashion on a mattress in my bedroom. I wake up in the middle of the night and smell earth and leaves all around me. This voice says, WE made the smelly woman go away." I'm half asleep so not getting this precisely but clearly understood what was stated. So when I wake up in the morning the house is littered from north, south, east and west with dead flies. Zillions of them. Certainly they hadn't been there the night before; they were carpeting the entire house. And it was late fall out not a season for flies to begin with.

The fey had come and broken down all the ick energy the older woman had bound the house in, while I was sleeping .I realized when they said "smelly woman" they were referring to the horrible oils that she stunk the area up with. The flies being the physical manifestation of whatever low work the old woman was dabbling in.

But they are very much a part of my environement all the land and what inhabits it protects me. i make agreements with it . I never lock my doors, my chickens are unmolested, things like that. Before I even had time to negotiate out some of these agreements I'm pretty certain my youngest hen survived a near miss by a Coyote because of their intervention.

They left me a gift one day and I have no idea what it is. I sorta know but not quite...lol.. I found it hanging in a tree in the middle of winter. It looks like very fine skin found under the bark of a tree, perhaps birch (no birches in the area though). Soooo thin though .Dryed, very soft to the touch, a pale tannish color.. Almost like Rafetti. Or whatever that crafting material is called. Or an organic form of Easter grass that people stuff Easter baskets with. I'm familiar with the under and outer barks of all the trees in the area but this one has me stumped. But the smell was heavenly sort of like warm vanilla. But not quite....

[Ishtar]

I think they're lovely, although you do have to take them seriously and work in harmony with them. Then they treat you wonderfully. I think all the awful stories we used to hear about fairies swapping babies for changelings and that sort of thing were just Christians trying to put people off them.

Thanks, 9eagle9, I enjoyed that whole story and would also love to inhale the aroma of their gift to you... warm vanilla....mmmmmm :rolleyes:

[DianeKJ]

Fey and Sidhe stories are very synchronistic for me these days. Thank you everyone who is contributing to this thread, as it has been very engaging and thought provoking for me. I'm truly enjoying reading everyone's perspectives.
with love,
Di

[MariaDine]

Hello Ishtar :)

Can you tell me anything about what I can do with a Unicorn and a Hummingbird ? Wink, Wink ..
Love
Maria

[Lisab]

I'd love to say Im ready for Ayauhasca. Alas definately not lol. MUCH work to be done here.x

[Ishtar]

Hello Ishtar :)

Can you tell me anything about what I can do with a Unicorn and a Hummingbird ? Wink, Wink ..
Love
Maria


Er....no! Sorry!:noidea:

[pwn_thyself]

re: sidious's comment that the days are named for norse gods:

only in english Sidious! in thai they are named after "stars" and reflect the same relationship that we see in the west... i suspect it is older than babylon.

[Ishtar]

re: sidious's comment that the days are named for norse gods:

only in english Sidious! in thai they are named after "stars" and reflect the same relationship that we see in the west... i suspect it is older than babylon.

Yes, sidereal astronomy (astronomy based on the 28 lunar mansions) in India and China is at least as old as that of the Babylonian star priests.

Interesting that the root word ''sid" means "seed", I always think. Hence the Sidhe ... (and I'm not sure about Lord SIDious... perhaps he knows. :bounce: )

But can you tell us what the Fae/Sidhe are called in Thailand, pwn_thyself?

[pwn_thyself]

"Pi" is the term here, unless we're talking about the serpentine ones, who are "naga" - you'll like this Ishtar: "Pi" is the spirits and "Pi" is your elder- different tones (Thai is a tonal isolating language with 5 tones)
One thing that is so amazing about living here is the "spirit houses" (baan pi) which are *everywhere* and rare is the thai who would deny the presence or power of those we share our world with but who aren't human. :-)

[9eagle9]

Quote Animalspirit (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=354033#post354033)

I stand by everything I posted.

Is there anything that someone could state that would cause you to entertain the notion of not standing by what you say? Answer that one carefully.

From what you have posted, you are still in a Human box. I suggest that you look at what you wrote about stones and learn from that.

Considering I am not vegetable, mineral or animal I'm pretty sure most of us in this thread are having a human condition/ experience to various degrees.I never stated that I wasn't a human . I don't mind being a human. Clearly I sense your contempt for humanity, you've established that. I don't have any contempt for stones. I do notice by observation that they are not having the contempted human experience so I'm doubting their ability to be an expert at it. I do KNOW when I'm talking to a stone though, no doubts there. Somehow humans and their physicality is repellent to you but animals and stones inspite of their physical presence is not? I didn't undervalue the practice of working with stones. I just haven't assigned them a greater value than humans. or ...a lesser one.

People that try to find proof of their beliefs from either past times or science are allowing their mind/ego to take over and control their souls.

Lest you assume I am some woo-woo nut job, I hold a degree in (no you are establishing yourself very well on your own without my assumptions.)


Biology/Microbiology...so I probably understand some of this stuff better than you do.

This is what I don't understand: Someone who attempts to find proof in a belief via science is ego raddled yet one who establishes that they are an authority on microbiology, a science, is ....what? If science has no authority and is just another mechanism for the ego to play in why are you using it to establish YOUR statements?. See I never said anything about a belief in DNA I made a statement about what DNA expresses. One doesn't have to believe in DNA for it to express itself. One can look back in that past to find out why one's physical body is expressing certain attributes in...the now.

. It is part of the physical, not the spiritual. I don't know about you, but my soul drives my physical existence...not the other way around so physical stuff that seems important to some of you just doesn't bother me at all because it is merely a diversion.

I noted earlier up thread that the soul influences the physical body (that would include DNA) and the mechanism repsonsible for not allowing it to guide the physical body... but its clear to me that remark has no validity until you state it. Thank you for validating me. Unfortunately the soul permeates the physical body so its experiencing it as well but I doubt its the mechanism putting all these judgements on it.

I repeat: "Have the courage to look into the unknown without flinching

But things you don't understand bug you? .

[Ishtar]

In my view, science lost the plot when it threw out the baby with bathwater and decided that Spirit or gods could not possibly exist unless discoverable in a repeatable lab experiment using extremely limited instruments and tools. That's like deciding that if you can't tie up an ant with a rope, then that ant couldn't possibly exist. So while I also have studied biology and human biology to degree level and beyond, I don't put much weight on it.

Einstein got closer to the truth towards the end of his life when he admitted to several flashes of inspired revelation that he'd had while in a sort of trance state. He started to talk about the Field (energy) that governs matter (the body). This, I think, is what 9eagle9 means by

"Unfortunately the soul permeates the physical bod,y so it's experiencing it as well but I doubt it's the mechanism putting all these judgements on it." And so I agree with her.

Animalspirits, we don't need to be egoless. We need our egos to help us operate the necessary discrimination and judgement to run our lives effectively. This is the role of the ego. But ego without wisdom is a blunt sword which swings around indiscrimately and dangerously and blindly in a bid for self-preservation and self-glorification at the expense of others.

I also stand by my remarks on this earlier up the thread .... I wouldn't mention it, but there's been no improvement and thus very little positive contribution.

[animalspirits]

Hello Ishtar :)

Can you tell me anything about what I can do with a Unicorn and a Hummingbird ? Wink, Wink ..
Love
Maria

Maria,

Yes, I can.

Both of these animals are powerful allies.

Unicorn often will meet and sit with you under a blooming fruit tree. Of course it brings love and protection. It does teach you something very valuable. It will teach you how to send an energy streams (such as healing, etc) outward in pulse form. You see energy streams are two way...outgoing and incoming. Unless you are very adept at protection when you send out any energy, anything that knows how can ride that stream back to you. If you learn to pulse the energy stream as you send it out, it creates tiny gaps in the stream and prevents someone or something from riding the stream back to you. It is quite easy to do this. Just form the intent to pulse the energy stream before you send it and it will happen. When something riding the stream back hits the gap, it assumes that it has reached the end of the stream.

Hummingbird brings joy and love. It also has several other very important teachings. It teaches you how to have endurance over long journeys or hardships. It will stay with you through thick and thin...and help you have the courage to face these long term issues. It uses its tiny beak like a laser to heal in places that other things are unable to reach. It is very successful in reaching the tiniest of places, especially when doing soul work and is of tremendous assistance in seeing issues that others will miss. It is an amazingly powerful animal helper.

Hope this helps you.

[MariaDine]

Thank you, anyway Isthar :)

[animalspirits]

Thank you, anyway Isthar :)

Maria,

I just answered your question. Hope it helps.

[Ishtar]

Animalspirits, thanks for that illuminating post.

Please tell us more about what I call 'power animals'.... where they're found, how to recognise one, how to differentiate your power animals when presented with a whole crowd of them on the shamanic jouirney, and the different qualities each one brings. For instance, my power animals are Lion and Python. What can you tell us about those?

[animalspirits]

In my view, science lost the plot when it threw out the baby with bathwater and decided that Spirit or gods could not possibly exist unless discoverable in a repeatable lab experiment using extremely limited instruments and tools. That's like deciding that if you can't tie up an ant with a rope, then that ant couldn't possibly exist. So while I also have studied biology and human biology to degree level and beyond, I don't put much weight on it.

Einstein got closer to the truth towards the end of his life when he admitted to several flashes of inspired revelation that he'd had while in a sort of trance state. He started to talk about the Field (energy) that governs matter (the body). This, I think, is what 9eagle9 means by

"Unfortunately the soul permeates the physical bod,y so it's experiencing it as well but I doubt it's the mechanism putting all these judgements on it." And so I agree with her.

Animalspirits, we don't need to be egoless. We need our egos to help us operate the necessary discrimination and judgement to run our lives effectively. This is the role of the ego. But ego without wisdom is a blunt sword which swings around indiscrimately and dangerously and blindly in a bid for self-preservation and self-glorification at the expense of others.

I also stand by my remarks on this earlier up the thread .... I wouldn't mention it, but there's been no improvement and thus very little positive contribution.

I am through going back and forth with 9eagle9 and you over what is correct regarding a working shaman. There is no correct way...it is individual. Just because someone posts something different doesn't mean they are attacking you.

I don't believe that the people reading this thread are helped by pettiness. They are capable of seeing the wisdom of each person's posts and deciding for themselves.

I will, however, continue to post my views on what I believe is important regarding this thread. If you two want to tear up what I post, I really don't care. I believe that people reading the thread are perfectly capable of deciding for themselves what information they wish to retain.

[animalspirits]

Animalspirits, thanks for that illuminating post.

Please tell us more about what I call 'power animals'.... where they're found, how to recognise one, how to differentiate your power animals when presented with a whole crowd of them on the shamanic jouirney, and the different qualities each one brings. For instance, my power animals are Lion and Python. What can you tell us about those?

Yes, I can but I have to feed the Dog first. Don't like the look She is giving me. LOL *animalspirits padding off to feed the Dog*

[Ishtar]

Animalspirits, I'm very glad to hear that you're through with going back and forth with myself and 9eagle9 over what is 'correct' regarding a working shaman, because it's not a subject that fits into the ethos and purpose of this thread which is to help people who'd never heard of, or only knew a little about, shamanism and shamanic healing to learn more about how it can help them heal and become more empowered. As shamanism and various modalities of shamanic healing constitute such a vast and deep subject, we don't have time to argue with each other on what you rightly say is petty.

I hope you continue to post in here by playing to your strengths, which is obviously your work with animal spirits and which many people following this thread will greatly benefit from knowing more about.

[9eagle9]

Having the understanding that we are tearing up concepts and ideas. No one owns an idea so one shouldn't be bothered if the idea is fully broken down to find the opposing values. The truth doesn't contradict itself. If it does I should not bother to seek it, I can find all the contradictions I need right now. That's all we've ever been given is contradictions. Most anyone if they are paying attention notices contradictions.

When our concepts become personal and we put our identity in them we feel as we are being torn up. We are supposed maintain a certain sort of sovereignty not be be absorbed by a thoughtform. That's verging on possession.

Are we establishing here that we are shamans or are we attempting to establish that everyone has a shamanic expression ? In establishing rigidly what a shamanic expression is we risk excluding others from their shamanic expression. It doesn't equate some prejudicied established value so they don't give what they are expressing any merit .

One's position can defend itself without personal involvement. One can be a shaman without wrapping their identity in it. One attempts to show that a shaman is tearing down walls not erecting them.

If one's beleif system collapses under a few questions I'd imagine it wasn't a sturdy structure to begin with. If a belief system collapses it shouldn't take the holder of the belief down with it; if it does, we may wrapping our self identity in a belief instead of where it truly lies at.

Does the soul need a belief system ?

Or do our lower form selves require it.

The idea of system busting is sooo venerated , its the basis of all the alternative spirtual and media forums. Until someone starts busting up our systems then its petty and wrong. Again if we detach ourselves from the belief we don't busted up along with the belief.

[MariaDine]

Hello Ishtar :)

Can you tell me anything about what I can do with a Unicorn and a Hummingbird ? Wink, Wink ..
Love
Maria

Maria,

Yes, I can.

Both of these animals are powerful allies.

Unicorn often will meet and sit with you under a blooming fruit tree. Of course it brings love and protection. It does teach you something very valuable. It will teach you how to send an energy streams (such as healing, etc) outward in pulse form. You see energy streams are two way...outgoing and incoming. Unless you are very adept at protection when you send out any energy, anything that knows how can ride that stream back to you. If you learn to pulse the energy stream as you send it out, it creates tiny gaps in the stream and prevents someone or something from riding the stream back to you. It is quite easy to do this. Just form the intent to pulse the energy stream before you send it and it will happen. When something riding the stream back hits the gap, it assumes that it has reached the end of the stream.

Hummingbird brings joy and love. It also has several other very important teachings. It teaches you how to have endurance over long journeys or hardships. It will stay with you through thick and thin...and help you have the courage to face these long term issues. It uses its tiny beak like a laser to heal in places that other things are unable to reach. It is very successful in reaching the tiniest of places, especially when doing soul work and is of tremendous assistance in seeing issues that others will miss. It is an amazingly powerful animal helper.

Hope this helps you.

Thank you ANIMALSPIRITS :)
The INFO is great help.
I haven't had, so far, come across any Shaman. I'm ignorant of the Lore and I find the web info very contraditory .
I really appreciated your answer. i wish i could go deeper in the issue and learn more how to work with power animals.

Love
Maria

[animalspirits]

Animalspirits, thanks for that illuminating post.

Please tell us more about what I call 'power animals'.... where they're found, how to recognise one, how to differentiate your power animals when presented with a whole crowd of them on the shamanic jouirney, and the different qualities each one brings. For instance, my power animals are Lion and Python. What can you tell us about those?

Ishtar,

Let me start this off by saying that this post reflects how I do my work. Each shaman does their work individually and I don’t expect anyone to do it this way…so no need to defend your differences.

I am making an assumption here (probably my bad) based on your use of the term "power animal"...that you have or are familiar with the Harner method of shamanism. I am also, having had friends that sponsored their workshops (and I was able to take several decades ago for free). I took all the courses they offered, including soul retrieval. I have worked with Native Shamans. That said, all of the real knowledge I have received came from the animals, plants, stones, etc. themselves. Once I realized that all I had to do was to communicate with the actual spirit, my abilities really took off.

This is based on my direct contact with animal spirits, in this case. I also work with plants, stones, etc. I am open to help from the spirit that wishes to assist.

One can have from one to hundreds of lifelong animal spirits. The terms “power animals”, “totems” and “lifelong animal spirits” all refer to the same thing. If one is adept at talking to spirits, they can call on any one of them for assistance when doing their healing/shamanic work…which is what I do.

Inasmuch as they are spirits, they reside in the spirit world. I am able to see both this world and the spirit world at the same time...I see them as superimposed over each other. I can also enter an altered state of consciousness at will and don’t have to have drumming or anything special to do this. I do have certain animal spirits that I work more closely with and have all my life. They include (but are not limited to): Black Jaguar, Orca, Crow, Coyote (named Yotee), Dog, Cougar, Snake (Cobra), Owl, Wolf, Australian Sea Eagle, and others.

If I am doing work, the spirit(s) that wish (es) to help will either come before or right as I am beginning the work. You are correct that sometimes they make up a crowd. If that happens, I ask which one or ones have come to help and they will step forward. I always trust them. The others will step back or fade away. I always thank all of them for coming.

I don’t have a particular way of telling if they are with me other than talking to them which I have been doing since I was a child. I thought everyone could see and talk to spirits. I was born in a time when this ability would have resulted in a very quick residence to the funny farm, so I never told anyone. Still don’t know how I knew to do that.

If I discussed each of mine, this would be even longer so I won’t unless something asks about one, then I will be happy to. Just trying to keep this short (which it doesn’t look like I am succeeding in doing) and still answer your questions.

Lion: Strength, courage, energy and self-fulfillment. It teaches one the value of strong family ties and how to recognize and let go of stress.


Snake (Python): Snake represents physical change rather than spiritual change. Usually when it comes, it means that the person is about to undergo a significant physical change. This can include relocation of their home. It can mean they are about to undergo surgery or the removal of something physical from their physical body. Since Pythons use squeezing as a means of acquiring food, they will also tend to squeeze the issue out of the person. This would involve a tightening of the whole physical body. I would see it shamanically as the body becoming denser and a size change in the body. In order for the problem to exit the body, it would look to me as though they were vomiting it out. When this happens, I know they got rid of what they needed to get out of their physical body.

For me, Cobra works slightly differently which I can discuss if you want me too.

…Hope I answered your questions. If not, ask more and I will try again.

…Use if this helps, if it doesn’t just disregard it…no worries from me.

:grouphug:

[9eagle9]

What are mine?

anyone? Anyone who observes me or interacts with me on a fairly regular basis could tell.

[Ishtar]

Thank you, Animalspirits. Very interesting.

You correctly identified the Harner term 'power animal' and I find it quite relevant to me because sometimes I shapeshift into my Lion or Python and find that this empowers me. I begun my training in the Harner method but as soon as I started to get into touch with my spirit guides ~ both animal and human form ~ they led me away from it to teach me in their own way, and through this, I have come to have some differences with Harner's method, but anyway, that's probably a subject for another time because it will take us into another whole area of shamanism which is massive in itself. But as you say: "Once I realized that all I had to do was to communicate with the actual spirit, my abilities really took off." And I would add to that, once I realised how much I could trust them and how all-knowing they are, they very quickly became "the wind beneath my wings".

Thanks for your interpretations of Lion and Python. They are my main two animals, (I have several others) and they act as a very strong protection if I have to go into some 'bad' places to remove energy in the wrong place.

Yes, I would be interested to hear more about Cobra, if you've got the time.

Thank you!

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What are mine?

anyone? Anyone who observes me or interacts with me on a fairly regular basis could tell.

Well.... :confused: dare I hazard a guess as to ....hmmmm...let me think now.....EAGLE? :faint2:

[animalspirits]

What are mine?

anyone? Anyone who observes me or interacts with me on a fairly regular basis could tell.

I never look at anyone's soul or the animals interacting with them unless I am working on them...and certainly not to prove I can do it. It is a violation of your personal space and boundaries.

If someone suspects they have a certain animal around them and tells me the animal, sometimes I can verify it for them. Other times, the animal either does not want me to know or feels it is none of my business. It is always up to the animal spirit, not the person.

[redlotus]

Thank you, Ishtar for this thread. Your research is fascinating and incredibly thorough.
There is, however, only so far you can go with information available in the English language. The deepest crevices of the shamanic 'his'story is not widely available in the West. Maybe it is just as well. Too much has been damaged and twisted and misused by the tptw (the powers that were).
The original oral traditions of shamanism goes back 10's of thousands of years BC, and before the word 'shaman' was adopted in the West, they were really called "khan", "han", "chan" or the variation of those vowels/sounds. These universal sounds show up not only in Central and Eastern Asia, but even in the Mayan language: i.e "Kukulkan". The knowledge and practices of these interdimensional humans made it to the West in the form of the druid traditions.

I am so delighted to know, that this tradition is alive, in spite of all the horrid attempts to 'kill' it. It is great proof for us now to observe, that Light can not be 'killed'. We live in a Universe of 'Light construct' (i.e. our Sun), so there is no need to give power to the ones who keep attempting to 'kill' or box in Light. It is simply impossible. We entered into Duality, to be challenged to the n-th degree, so we can become Creators of Light. We are well on our way! :dance3:

[Ishtar]

The original oral traditions of shamanism goes back 10's of thousands of years BC, and before the word 'shaman' was adopted in the West, they were really called "khan", "han", "chan" or the variation of those vowels/sounds. These universal sounds show up not only in Central and Eastern Asia, but even in the Mayan language: i.e "Kukulkan". The knowledge and practices of these interdimensional humans made it to the West in the form of the druid traditions.

Thanks Redlotus, I'm very much enjoying your content too.

I'm wondering whether 'khan' and 'han' are in any way associated with 'Anu' (Celtic overarching god) and Anu (Sumerian overarching god). In fact, An and Anu crops up all over the civilised world as a 'god word' during the Neolithic.

Sometimes we hear the word Anu in the name of a city, sometimes in a family name, or sometimes in the name of a person or a priest. So if you understand the word god as the ancients did, you will know that it's the oldest word for the sub-atomic particle or wave of Supreme Intelligence that vibrates at the heart of all matter.

Here are the two oldest definitions of the word.

Anu (Sanskrit) As a noun, an atom of matter; as an adjective, atomic, fine, minute. A title of Brahma, conceived as both infinitesimal and universal, thus pointing to the pantheistic character of divinity. Hence, every anu is "a centre of potential vitality, with latent intelligence in it" (SD 1:567; cf FSO 273-5, 431). In the Bhagavad-Gita (8:9) Arjuna is enjoined to meditate on the "seer," i.e., the enlightened, omniscient One, who is "more atomic than the atom" (anor aniyamsam) and yet "the supporter of all" (cf VP 1:2, 5:1; ChU 3:14, 3-4, Katha 2:20, MU 3:1,

Anu (Chaldean) Supreme god of the Babylonian pantheon, king of angels and spirits, ruler of destiny, lord of the city of Erech or Uruk -- later Ur. One of the loftiest of Babylonian divinities, part of a trinity with Enlil and Ea, he was especially the god of heaven, creator of star spirits and of the demons of cold, rain, and darkness. His consort Antum or Anatum was mother of the gods. Anu was the concealed deity; in the Chaldean account of Genesis, he is the passive deity, however, "the primordial chaos, the god time and world at once, chronos, and kosmos, the uncreated matter issued from the one and fundamental principle of all things" (IU 2:423).

We musn't, of course, forget Anubis who was the ancient Egyptian guide to the Underworld and this has been nicely compared by Laird Scranton, author of The Science of the Dogon to the Dogon Second World of matter - the realm of the po pilu, a counterpart to the Calabi-Yau space in string theory/torsion theory. The Dogon word [in]anu is defined by Genevieve Calame-Griaule as "the seed that surrounds other seeds at the time of creation."

In addition, Gerald Massey has identified three Aan characters (including Anubis) in the Egyptian texts which he thinks went on to become the three Johns of the New Testament. (An turned to Jan turned to John).


To some extent, we are now able to idenfity the wisdom of Egypt in the Book of Revelations and to make sense of the apocalyptic visions, so long and so erroneously assumed to have been unveiled to a Christian named John in the isle of Patmos, for the first time since the ancient astronomy was made nonsense of in the futile and fatuous attempt to turn the hidden wisdom into prophecy intended to prove the truth of a spurious history.

The apocalypse of John might be described as "scenes and characters from the mysteries of Taht-Aan" who was literally Aan = John, the divine penman. This was the sacred scribe to whom the 36,000 book or papyrus rolls were attributed by tradition. In short, Taht-Aan was the pre-Christian John the Divine.

His typical bird, the ibis, is still known in Egypt as the name John. His other zootype, the kaf-ape, is Aan by name. The name of Aani signals 'the saluter'. This is the character personalised in John.

From Ancient Egypt, The Light of The World by Gerald Massey.

And then ~ sorry, but I'm shamelessly regurgitating some of my previous research here, but we might as well have it all ~ we have "Principles of Light and Color", Edwin D. Babbitt, 1896 - second (complete) edition. Quoted in "Treatise on Cosmic Fire", p.1181 - A. Bailey, Ed. Lucis


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1- The concept of Ether/Particles

Matter is made of molecules, atoms and particles. Nuclear physics knows how to disintegrate atoms to release the inner particles of the nucleus. Once released after big impacts between atoms of atoms and particles, each particle has a definite speed and kinetic energy which is "signature".

The ancient tradition says that these particles exist also around us at low speed. And that they form streams and shapes, even bodies, made of particles. These particles move at low speed and are not combined into atomic nuclei. They are free or aggregated, they form thus a subtle counterpart of our material world. There exists four levels of particles before the state of atomic nucleus. They are called the four ethers. Each object has its own counterpart of various ether levels. Then the planet has alos its counterpart, limited to a certain extend beyond the physical shape. Then all around is made of an unkown undifferenciated substance (see in the next paragraphs: koilon), which is not made of any particle, but is the nature of the so called "void". Then Ether according to the ancient is not at all contradictory with the experience of Michelson-Morley.

The first level or first Ether is made of the very first and smallest particles of the physical world. These particles are called "Anu" and are the first building stones. Some are rotating from clockwise and others counterclockwise. The second, third and fourth level are composed of specific families of aggregated groups. Some of these groups may be found in the atom nuclei, and some form subtle materials. These material may exist individually or as the subtle counterpart of the material and objective things or bodies of the physical world.

"The general form of an atom [note: a-tom in its first signification: which can not be cut, that is to say the very first particle, the smallest one], including the spirals and the 1st spirillae, together with influx and efflux (...) represented by dots, which pass through these spirillae. The 2nd and 3rd spirillae (...) are not shown."

"As we have seen, a chemical atom may be dissociated into less complicated bodies; these again, into still less complicated; these again, into yet still less complicated. After the third dissociation but one more is possible: the fourth dissociation gives the ultimate physical atom [particle] on the atomic subplane [level of the first particle], the Anu. This may vanish from the plane, but it can undergo no further dissociation on it. In this ultimate state of physical matter two types of units, or Anu, have been observed; they are alike in everything save the direction of their whorls and of the force which pours through them. In the one case force pours in from the "outside", from fourth-dimensional space, the Astral plane, and passing through the Anu, pours into the physical world. In the second, it pours in from the physical world, and out through the Anu into the "outside" again, i.e. vanishes from the physical world. The one is like a spring, from which water bubbles out; the other is like a hole, into which matter disappears [note: here should be understood some material forces or streams of unknown forces]. We call the Anu from which force comes out positive or male: those through which it disappears, negative or female. All Anu, so far as observed, are of one or other of these two forms."

I hope that I haven't put anyone off with all this ... it's just that An and Anu, I believe, were very important words to our ancestors in the context of spirituality/science which, to them (and me) were the same thing in that, going back to Einstein, the Field (energy) governs matter and the Field is made of pure Spirit. There is no separation.

So it would be natural to put a K in front of 'an' or a Ch, as in Chan, in the same way that Gerald Massey believes the Jews put a J in front of 'an' to eventually morph into John.

Just wondering....

[ghostrider]

simply, a shaman is the spiritual leader of the tribe. keeper of ancient teachings and knowledge. He is the final authority on spiritual matters. thats my humble opinion. like Creto Mutwa for example, a great man, a great soul.

[9eagle9]

You aren't anyone who observes me or interacts with me on a regular basis though.




What are mine?

anyone? Anyone who observes me or interacts with me on a fairly regular basis could tell.

I never look at anyone's soul or the animals interacting with them unless I am working on them...and certainly not to prove I can do it. It is a violation of your personal space and boundaries.

If someone suspects they have a certain animal around them and tells me the animal, sometimes I can verify it for them. Other times, the animal either does not want me to know or feels it is none of my business. It is always up to the animal spirit, not the person.

[9eagle9]

I hope that I haven't put anyone off with all this ... it's just that An and Anu, I believe, were very important words to our ancestors in the context of spirituality/science which, to them (and me) were the same thing in that, going back to Einstein, the Field (energy) governs matter and the Field is made of pure Spirit. There is no separation.

So it would be natural to put a K in front of 'an' or a Ch, as in Chan, in the same way that Gerald Massey believes the Jews put a J in front of 'an' to eventually morph into John.

Just wondering....

I have no idea if this in anyway related to this but a few months ago I noticed nearly everyone I work with on that sort of intimate psychic level had an 'ann' sound in their name. Ann, Mandy, Janet, Dan, etc. That was it though, not one else that shared really intense work with had that sound in their name. People that were really adept at medicine work all started coming in with that sound in their name, otherwise rather ordinary sounding names. It meant something. I have no idea what it means, neither has it changed save for a few more were added. I ran across a couple people that didn't have that sound in their first names bu+t where just so tuned into to things that ..... out curiosity asked them what they're middle name was....and there was the 'an' sound.

[modwiz]

What are mine?

anyone? Anyone who observes me or interacts with me on a fairly regular basis could tell.

Hmm, with my great wizardly powers I see (polishes the crystal ball)..............Horse(s). I need to sleep now, that took a lot out of me.

[9eagle9]

Yes! thank you, Horses. The Nightmare and the Dream. For all your efforts I'll keep the night-mare in her stall tonight and the Dream may bring you a sweet one.

But I wouldn't Dream of mentioning power animals without mentioning ....chickens.

How the world gets by without a few power chickens is beyond me.

That is why the world is in the shape its in today, no one acknowledges the power of the chicken.

[modwiz]

Yes! thank you, Horses. The Nightmare and the Dream. For all your efforts I'll keep the night-mare in her stall tonight and the Dream may bring you a sweet one.

But I wouldn't Dream of mentioning power animals without mentioning ....chickens.

How the world gets by without a few power chickens is beyond me.

That is why the world is in the shape its in today, no one acknowledges the power of the chicken.

Eggsactly, it does appear the world is currently controlled by chickenhawks. Of course, appearances can be deceiving.

[Ishtar]

On the subject of chickens, I sometimes do what's known (to those trained in the Harner method) as a power animal retrieval. For those who've never heard of a power animal retrieval, this means journeying for people to find their power animal, which may have become lost to them, and then return it into their energy body in order to re-empower them again. It's thought the power animals can have a habit of wandering off if the person forgets about them. So a power animal retrieval returns that animal to you.

Anyway, all this preamble is just to say that I've noted that whenever I retrieve a power animal for a person that is anything less than a dragon, a lion or a tiger or a unicorn, they are usually a little disappointed. And lord knows how they would feel if I ever bought them back a chicken! :eek:

[Ishtar]

I have no idea if this in anyway related to this but a few months ago I noticed nearly everyone I work with on that sort of intimate psychic level had an 'ann' sound in their name. Ann, Mandy, Janet, Dan, etc.

My full name is Ishtar Babilu Dingir. So no 'an' sound there. However, Ishtar was one of the Anunnaki, in other words, children of Anu. :cool:

(Babilu was the name of Babylon before the Greeks renamed it, and Dingir is Sumerian for god/or goddess. Naturally, I'm not a goddess, but the name follows the ancient tradition of priests and priestesses taking their rebirth names from their main spirit guides, in my case, the goddess Ishtar of Babylon.)

[modwiz]

On the subject of chickens, I sometimes do what's known (to those trained in the Harner method) as a power animal retrieval. For those who've never heard of a power animal retrieval, this means journeying for people to find their power animal, which may have become lost to them, and then return it into their energy body in order to re-empower them again. It's thought the power animals can have a habit of wandering off if the person forgets about them. So a power animal retrieval returns that animal to you.

Anyway, all this preamble is just to say that I've noted that whenever I retrieve a power animal for a person that is anything less than a dragon, a lion or a tiger or a unicorn, they are usually a little disappointed. And lord knows how they would feel if I ever bought them back a chicken! :eek:

I like bats, owls and corvines.

Bat is my favorite. Rescued one in my house from the cats. Got it in my hat with a glove on. I was able to look right into its face. I bonded with it at that moment and have felt very real affection for them ever since. The white nose disease the bats are suffering with here in the NE USA touches me deeply. Their numbers have dwindled and I cheer every one that I see these days and send loving energy to it and Bat.

I am a Chinese Dragon. That'll do. Actually, it is plenty to deal with. Unicorn? Male chastity? Oh, probably women who go for the Unicorns, right?

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Yes! thank you, Horses. The Nightmare and the Dream. For all your efforts I'll keep the night-mare in her stall tonight and the Dream may bring you a sweet one.

But I wouldn't Dream of mentioning power animals without mentioning ....chickens.

How the world gets by without a few power chickens is beyond me.

That is why the world is in the shape its in today, no one acknowledges the power of the chicken.


Chickens are higly under rated.


buk !

[transiten]

I hope that I haven't put anyone off with all this ... it's just that An and Anu, I believe, were very important words to our ancestors in the context of spirituality/science which, to them (and me) were the same thing in that, going back to Einstein, the Field (energy) governs matter and the Field is made of pure Spirit. There is no separation.

So it would be natural to put a K in front of 'an' or a Ch, as in Chan, in the same way that Gerald Massey believes the Jews put a J in front of 'an' to eventually morph into John.

Just wondering....

I have no idea if this in anyway related to this but a few months ago I noticed nearly everyone I work with on that sort of intimate psychic level had an 'ann' sound in their name. Ann, Mandy, Janet, Dan, etc. That was it though, not one else that shared really intense work with had that sound in their name. People that were really adept at medicine work all started coming in with that sound in their name, otherwise rather ordinary sounding names. It meant something. I have no idea what it means, neither has it changed save for a few more were added. I ran across a couple people that didn't have that sound in their first names bu+t where just so tuned into to things that ..... out curiosity asked them what they're middle name was....and there was the 'an' sound.

Hello 9eaglespirit9!

I'm scorpio=eagle and my name is Liliane...watcha think of it?

And Ishtar May it be that thanks to all the healing ushered in from Avalonians i'm well enough to go visit my relatives on the eastcoast for my birthday Nov 18 (viewing all threads as the "Here and Now" thread:grouphug:

Going forward to Wilcock "The Source Field" connecting Us All.

[9eagle9]

Yes! thank you, Horses. The Nightmare and the Dream. For all your efforts I'll keep the night-mare in her stall tonight and the Dream may bring you a sweet one.

But I wouldn't Dream of mentioning power animals without mentioning ....chickens.

How the world gets by without a few power chickens is beyond me.

That is why the world is in the shape its in today, no one acknowledges the power of the chicken.


Chickens are higly under rated.


buk !

They are. People venerate eggs as power symbols without pausing to remember where those eggs came from. In a lot of cases those eggs came from chickens...They peck and scratch among themselves and at each other and manage to pull a few feathers from each other. Squawking, indignation, bawking. But still manage to maintain a working harmonious community amongst themselves in spite of it all, if their enivironment is healthy. With everyone monitoring eveyone else its hard to be greedy. They love to be set loose to scratch in the earth, and roll in the earth. They have an amazing sense of entitlement. And not cowards , they are quite brave in relation to their size and temperment.

Most of my power animals have expressed themselves in my phyiscal world in some fashion or another , the remainder I don't talk about much, buts it hard to overlook the chickens and the horses when they are obviated in my life. I adore them, a regular old horse and chicken worshipper.

Horses are fairly obvious totemic animals and my Chinese astrology sign is Fire Horse woman too-- those unfortunate umaneagle women that used to be drowned at birth because their astrology dictated the would be too ruly to be fit for gentile society.

Horses are amazing teachers though, One of my students marveled that she had accomplished so much in her first two riding lessons and thanked me. She said it herself, SHE accomplished that. I'm just standing on the ground watching the communication between horse and rider and mediating when the communciation breaks down. Until the rider learns the language of the horse. Its always the person who breaks down the communication by sending mixed signals. If a horse gets a mixed communication it has the sense to do nothing.....lol. If the communication is good you can push the envelope , I'm just translating the communication spoken between the two ,the horse is doing all the teaching. And the rider is doing all the doing.

My Nightmare likes to go through the fence (always at night ...lol) and tear up the roads and challenging motorists. I can only imagine what peoples reactions are when that black beast comes looming out of the shadows to scream at them through their car windows...Some people find this annoying but I think its funny... She's torn down six lanes of traffice in Metro Detroit, not a a care or fear in the world. Shes' reclaiming her power after so many years of being powerless. So spiritually I turn her out to yurky fourth dimensional places, of contructs and lies,and deceiving spirits and watch her tear the place down. She loves it. It keeps her out of trouble in the physical realms. She certainly knows who she is.

Given the confidence a horse develops in a person they help a person reclaim themselves.

[motherlove]

A few times during my meditation I have had the experience of seeing a buffalo come very close to me. The head was turned and I moved through its eye to what I think was a past life. The experience was very real to me with sight, sound, smell and feelings. Does anyone have any insight into this experience. Best Wishes.

[9eagle9]

A few times during my meditation I have had the experience of seeing a buffalo come very close to me. The head was turned and I moved through its eye to what I think was a past life. The experience was very real to me with sight, sound, smell and feelings. Does anyone have any insight into this experience. Best Wishes.

What the buffalo showed you may have some bearing on 'why' the buffalo chose to show it to you. It's what the buffalo carries.

Buffalo are very cunning clever and playful animals. Very wise. They are rather like the prankish shaman its wisdom hidden under a facade of different purpose or expression. They hide themselves very well in this placid mantle of being a sort of wild cattle. Cattle of any sort are usually regarded as being vapid and maybe even dumb but Buffalo are very lively spirits. Certain Native Americans communities place great value on them as messengers of spiritual abundance and the Celtics regarded them as spiritual abundance transformed into material abundance. Both cultures prized the appearance of white bulls. Buffalo relate to the inner child as well, having that sort of prankish, but wise in innocence energy. Wisdom of an adult but the innocense of a child energy--the inner child transformed from the wounded one that was never allowed to flourish Buffalos teach from their experience of woundedness, they were nearly decimated for surface things like their skin and horns. Having their power taken away they are a metaphor for having ones birthrite stripped of them and then reclaiming it.

A buffalo may relate to you how its purpose was stripped down to others for superficial reasons. Once that is reclaimed one is able to receive more clearly their spiritual inheiritance.

Like the deer that is closely related in symbolic way it will lead you down spiritual paths but one must keep in mind spirit is not always as it seems, like the buffalo. Inner child is our untouched pure spirit and its playful. Spiritual people tend to take themselves and their relation to all worlds very seriously....Spirit itself like the Buffalo is prankish, and unpredicatable .Not abusive just free-spirited. It has lessons associated with gravity, taking ourselves too seriously and not allowing that inner child expression to flow.

You may want to study Buffalo in the Native American sense like the White Buffalo Calf Woman and Cattle, Cows and Bulls in the Celtic totemic values and see how it correlates to your experience and past life.The Cooley Cattle Raid is an interesting metaphor for spiritual to physical matters. Also eastern values of reverence for the cow, India's sacred cows. Again we have sacred cows, things we invest in far too seriously, and sometimes the Buffalo will set those sacred cows to stampeding, when we begin to make things heavy , generate more gravity that is neccessary. It keeps the inner child from expressing .

There's more obviated medicines there like inner and external abundance, daily needs and wants, currency. Explore the physical and spiritual manifestations of Buffalo teachings and you will see how the relate to each other and then to you.

This is your own journy between you and the Buffalo so its really up to you to find and then, most of all accept, what is being given to you. So consider what I wrote to be little nudges or directions to go in, instead of a complete translation of your expereince, that is between you and the buffalo.

have fun with it though, buffalos are inherently prankish .

[motherlove]

Thank You 9eagle9 for your wisdom I appreciate the time you took to respond. Best Wishes

[redlotus]

Dear Ishtar, I have not read your full analysis yet, sorry, not much time today, but as a HUNgarian, I can respond with this much:
We still use the word, Anu - or Anyu - which simply means : Mother. According to our ancient teachings, and beliefs, our planet was the creation/embodyment of GreatMother, or as she is affectionately called "Boldogasszony" ---- > HappyMother.
Other examples:
Ur in Hungarian means Lord, Kis (the other city in Sumer) means "Little or small...
Mezo - root of the word Mesopotamia - means 'meadow'...

UtNapIshtin (one of the figures in Sumerian Mythology) can be LITERALLY translated from today's Hungarian: Ut = Road/way; Nap = Sun; Isten = (pronounced Ishten, soft s)=God/Lord.

Hungarian researchers have proven the common origins of the Sumerian culture (and please sit down for this) with the Seklers and Huns - Magyars (Maggi), originating from the Carpathian Basin - and today's Transylvania.

The archeological, cultural, linguistic evidence is overwhelming at this point. Some of these findings date back 17,000BC. It was one of the most naturally protected Basins, with abundant thermal waters, rivers and rich fertile land. (BTW, it is shaped like a heart)...

Please do not think I am some Nationalist, I consider myself a world citizen, a midwife to help Mother Earth. I have been away from my country over 35 years, and just in these later years have I come to learn of most of these details as the findings are coming out so rapidly these last 15 years.

TPTB suppressed all ancient 'herstory', knowledge, culture, etc. By destroying Iraq (and Afganistan) the agenda is to completely eliminate all evidence of this ancient culture...

Dear Ishtar, I will go over your analysis and respond in more detail later. Please note, I am not an authority on this subject, and my memory is not very sharp anymore. You, on the other hand, seem to be doing really deep research. Bright Blessings on you for all that.:thumb::thank_you2: