A spirit having a human experience ??????

[jorr lundstrom]

I have so often heard people state that they are a spirit having a human

experience. I have a problem with that statement because wot I see is a lot

of people avoiding having a human experience. Having a human experience to

me, demands that I immerse as much as possible into the body to really

experience wot it is like to totally live in a human body. I mean to identify

totally with the body in a conscious way, not to believe that I am the body.

The body is a temporal being, convienent waiting for us at our arrival here and

taken back again as we leave. We are visitors, we may use a lot of physical

tools including wot we call our bodies while we are staying here, but we cant

claim ownership to anything here on Gaia.

The Abrahamic religions have forced us to accept the idea that we can own

everything, including the soil, water and each other. Now here are even people

who are convinced that they own genes, and demands to get paid if others use

”their” genes. Today people manipulate even the weather as if they owned it.

This idea of ownership has reached insane levels. When the christian church

with the help of the roman empire forced the indigenous people of Europe

to believe in a lot of illusions they really killed the spirit connectins they

had in the pre christian world. Now they were left with a body/mind and

an idea of who they were ie ego provided by the priests.

Then the new generations of christians traveled to the west and reached

America. Now they had become the perpetrators themselves and treated

the indigenous people there as they had been treated or worse.

They stole the land and killed the indians. They were sanctioned by the

church to do it as the indians just lived there and didnt use the land

to anything profitable.

To heal this planet we have to let go of ownership, noone should have

to pay to live on a planet, anywhere. Gaia produces an abundance of food

and everyone should have all natural needs provided for free.

We cant have a human experience until we live as humans.



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[Andreash94]

I agree:amen::decision: but 1 qestion .... how we can change this thing? i kno we have to start with ourselve but then what ?leave the civilization?if u wana change world you are considered crazy:crutch::crutch:

[jorr lundstrom]

I agree:amen::decision: but 1 qestion .... how we can change this thing? i kno we have to start with ourselve but then what ?leave the civilization?if u wana change world you are considered crazy:crutch::crutch:

Im already considered crazy, so I have nothing to loose. But I do mean

that if we cant let go of ownership we will loose this planet as a place to make

this experience. But take it easy, we are on the way. The greedy clingers must

first get real tired in their fingers. LOL Of course we are gonna participate in

changing the world. Have you anything better to do the next years? :man_in_love:

[ktlight]

Andreash94 , I am the world and the world is you. Therefore, start within.

[Maria Stade]

The people that is crazy enough to think that they can change the world ..... is the ones that DO ;)

[jorr lundstrom]

Andreash94 , I am the world and the world is you. Therefore, start within.

In my experience, we cant change ourselves. We can fool ourselves that we do,

thats just the idea of ourselves trying to adopt another idea, ie an egogame.

Change in the body/mind field is a happening, we can welcome wotsoever comes

to our attention inside us and let it happen without interference and without acting

upon it outwards. Its called stalking oneself and is a very exiting journey.

Our true self ie the one who are us watching all your actions and orchestrating

our lives from within, can never be changed. Everytime we look out through

our eyes in wotsoever age, its the same being behind the eyes.

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[aranuk]

There are two kinds of people. Those who think they can and those who think they can't. They are both right.

Stan

[Yoda]

All of Inelia Benz exercises are for the Avatar (Spirit) to integrate into the physical body.
That has been her biggest challenge, since there was no "Owner's Manual".
Pierre
www.energy-oneness.com

[jorr lundstrom]

All of Inelia Benz exercises are for the Avatar (Spirit) to integrate into the physical body.
That has been her biggest challenge, since there was no "Owner's Manual".
Pierre
www.energy-oneness.com

Yoda, I find this very interesting. I hear all this about ascending

and I wonder, from wot. You have to be down before you can ascend

and so many seem to avoid getting down. First this uniting of spirit

and body must take place. Do people think this part can be swept under the

carpet? LOL

[Arrowwind]

In my humble opinion
when you are here in physical form you are already united
- body and spirit are united.

Spirit gives the body volition... it gives it independent life outside of the mother

The problem arises when we forget our spirit nature

When we forget that we have a spirit nature
or we forget how to be one with our spirit nature
in all the ways that spirit can work through us
if our doors of loving and perception and power are open and active.

All the true spiritual teachings of the world are designed
to help one find or remember the deeper connecting threads between body and spirt,
to be aware of them consciously,
to utilize them.

As a physical body we already have the tools
to make the connection to full spirit awakening within the body.
The tools are in the Chakra system.
The chakra system is fragile
and can be damaged by false beliefs, trauma and lack of love.
The Chakra system comes into awakening though active seeking of its unfoldment.
There are many teachers that provide this path.
It can also unfold through merely learning how to love unconditionally.
It can also unfold by enacting service to others.
It can unfold from meditation.
and correctly structured prayer,

and as Jorr notes, through stalking... my favorite
One must stalk their shadow as well as the light in this stalking process
for locked in the shadow is the door to ones enlightenment.
In one's shadow hides those things that keep you from your enlightenment.
Your enlightenment is merely a full connectivity to your spirit potential
working through your body
which unfolds for us in layers
as we learn and open to the awakening of the functions of the chakras.
Stalking is the active persuit of the shadow or of any body of knowledge as well.
The Stalking in and of itself requires an opening to stalk effectively
into the deeper realms of self knowledge,
sacred knowledge.

Stalking requires
that you face all fears and negativities
Stalking requires
that you learn to live without fear
and without negativities
Stalking reveals
to you your fears and negativites.
Stalking requires
that your highest high self come to rule all those elements of shadow
that withhold you from your enlightenment
Stalking requires that you move fearlessly,
yet with open heart,
yet with discernment,
though mental planes
and then astral planes
and then even the higher planes


When the chakras are open and starting to function,
that is when we start to become fully human.
It is merely a turn in consciousness.


and thats how I see it for today, at least.

[RedeZra]

When the christian church

with the help of the roman empire forced the indigenous people of Europe

to believe in a lot of illusions they really killed the spirit connectins they

had in the pre christian world. Now they were left with a body/mind and

an idea of who they were ie ego provided by the priests.

Then the new generations of christians traveled to the west and reached

America. Now they had become the perpetrators themselves and treated

the indigenous people there as they had been treated or worse.

They stole the land and killed the indians. They were sanctioned by the

church to do it as the indians just lived there and didnt use the land

to anything profitable.




poor Christians when will there be rest

probably in death


not only did the world crucify Christ

and feed the first Christians to the lions


it is convinient to blame everything on Christians

for it suits the world which is run by Luciferians


there are only two teams

God and good vs Devil and evil


few are in the loop

most have no clue

[Ineffable Hitchhiker]

I think that the worst religion on the planet is called :- "Believe everything you think. :P
We all worship our thoughts and will fight to the death to be right. :fencing:

Sorry, a bit tongue-in-cheek, but I am just trying to make a point.

We have all learnt something from somewhere. We base all our opinions on past memories.
Mostly the stuff that we repeat is based on things we have learnt in the culture we grew up in and the experiences we have have had.
If you find it makes sense to you, you immediatey want everyone else to think like you.
It does good to listen to others, there are definitely wiser souls amongst us but perhaps the idea is not to get stuck in "my knowledge is better than your knowledge."
We tend to forget that we are all here to learn, to love and sometimes just to be.

Yes, there is lots of "stuff" happening on the planet but they are merely distractions to lead you away from finding out the real reason why you are here.




We cant have a human experience until we live as humans.


Loved this!!! :wub:
Great posts Jorr.
You have given me a lot of food for thought. :becky:

[Yoda]

The irony is, it's all ass-backwards. The stargate is inside the body. We only come into our power when we integrate.
That's when the affirmation " I AM Incorporated" takes on it's full meaning.
Pierre
www.energy-oneness.com

[modwiz]

Andreash94 , I am the world and the world is you. Therefore, start within.

In my experience, we cant change ourselves. We can fool ourselves that we do,

thats just the idea of ourselves trying to adopt another idea, ie an egogame.

Change in the body/mind field is a happening, we can welcome wotsoever comes

to our attention inside us and let it happen without interference and without acting

upon it outwards. Its called stalking oneself and is a very exiting journey.

Our true self ie the one who are us watching all your actions and orchestrating

our lives from within, can never be changed. Everytime we look out through

our eyes in wotsoever age, its the same being behind the eyes.

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/merlincat.jpg

Hey Jorr. Do you have that kitten's hat in a larger size? I like it.

[jorr lundstrom]

No, Modwiz, Ive only a black larger one. LOL

[christian]

Nice thread, Jorr.

In my boil-down it says: Don't fall for escapism. Face the issue in front of you.

Although it's the middle way, harmonious motion, that I focus on, it's only natural though, that after a very long time of humans on earth identifying with their bodies, there would come a time, when there are those, that are more likely to be inclined to see it the other way round, to rather identify with their spirit self. Anyways, if the middle way is not diligently sought, extremes mutually perpetuate each other.



Change in the body/mind field is a happening, we can welcome wotsoever comes to our attention inside us and let it happen without interference and without acting upon it outwards. Its called stalking oneself and is a very exiting journey.

From Castaneda's 'Don Juan' teachings? ;)


I guess you mean 'exciting' anyways. How one letter can totally change something... :biggrin1:

[christian]

doublepost :o