New Report: Military losing the Battle Against Suicide

[Maia Gabrial]

ECETI News just sent this article from ABC news about military vets committing suicide.
It just had me looking back at all the "mandatory" shots we had to take, not knowing what was in them. There was no way to refuse an order to take them or even know if there was a danger to us. I felt as though we were guinea pigs for anything that the military deemed "necessary". I disagreed with all of it and I swore when I got out ABSOLUTELY NO ONE would force me to take anything against my will ever again.... And God only knows only what other things more horrible are secretly being done to soldiers.

In view of all the Illuminati mind control research I've done, it's being done to many soldiers. The only conclusion I come up with is that these veterans are experienced fighters and tacticians; and that would be a threat to the Illuminati's agendas....


http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/new-report-military-losing-the-battle-against-suicide/

[Fred Steeves]

Oh yeah, I'll never forget all the jabs we got when I was in boot camp back in '93, I can only imagine what they're getting these days. I do wonder still just what in the hell all those shots were, and what was in them.

Cheers,
Fred

[Eagle]

Dont ask, Dont know, Dont tell, or go to jail

[vibrations]

How much I wish for the military personal to open the eyes and see they are just another item for the PTB, just an asset as a gun or truck. To see they are not fighting for their country, there is no threat for the US people nor territory, just a dark agenda of a couple emotionless criminals. But the genuine love to the country is used to guide thousands of lives to death, PTSD, suicide and all kind of long term suffering. I am so sorry for everyone who become victim of this forces just because in his hearth he feel he is doing something good for the people and the country.

[Eagle]

How much I wish for the military personal to open the eyes and see they are just another item for the PTB, just an asset as a gun or truck. To see they are not fighting for their country, there is no threat for the US people nor territory, just a dark agenda of a couple emotionless criminals. But the genuine love to the country is used to guide thousands of lives to death, PTSD, suicide and all kind of long term suffering. I am so sorry for everyone who become victim of this forces just because in his hearth he feel he is doing something good for the people and the country.

Be careful not to group people together like that, there are meny who know, who choose to serve for a different reason.

[vibrations]

How much I wish for the military personal to open the eyes and see they are just another item for the PTB, just an asset as a gun or truck. To see they are not fighting for their country, there is no threat for the US people nor territory, just a dark agenda of a couple emotionless criminals. But the genuine love to the country is used to guide thousands of lives to death, PTSD, suicide and all kind of long term suffering. I am so sorry for everyone who become victim of this forces just because in his hearth he feel he is doing something good for the people and the country.

Becareful not to group people together like that, there are meny who know, who choose to serve for a different reason.

You're right. it looks like you say, but I was just thinking on that innocent group which really believe.

[Lord Sidious]

Oh yeah, I'll never forget all the jabs we got when I was in boot camp back in '93, I can only imagine what they're getting these days. I do wonder still just what in the hell all those shots were, and what was in them.

Cheers,
Fred

I finished my time the year before you did your boot camp.

[Fred Steeves]

Oh yeah, I'll never forget all the jabs we got when I was in boot camp back in '93, I can only imagine what they're getting these days. I do wonder still just what in the hell all those shots were, and what was in them.

Cheers,
Fred

I finished my time the year before you did your boot camp.

In all of the researchings you've done, have you stumbled across what those shots are/were?

[jorr lundstrom]

vibrations wrote:
You're right. it looks like you say, but I was just thinking

on that innocent group which really believe.

I do believe that this group exist. But to Oden there are only two things unforgiveable:

unfidelity and unconsciousness. All those American soldiers are really working for the

corporations, Haliburtons, Exxon, Shell and so on ...............even if they imagine that

they are working for the good of their nation. Those corporations dont care the least

about USA. I often hear politicians here in Sweden saying that this and that is good for

Sweden. But I realize that they are referring to some companies as being Sweden,

not me and the other ordinary people. But we are at the turning point now, realizing

how much we have been lied to. And we have accepted it for far too long. So now...............

[Arrowwind]

"According to the report, additional factors that heighten risk of suicide include chronic pain, and post-traumatic stress disorder symptoms such as depression, anxiety, sleep deprivation, substance abuse and difficulties with anger management. These factors are also widely associated with deployment experience in Afghanistan and Iraq, the report said."

Unlike some of the other wars, Irag and Afghanistan were put upon our military though the active promotion of lies by our government.. These lies were seen early on by many.
I wonder what the psychological effect of killing a hundred thousand innocents is upon someone who went into combat to serve a nation who has deceived them about the motivation to go to war?.
I would only think that it would make post traumatic stress more severe, depression more rampant, and substance abuse more motivated and anger heightened to untold levels.

Unlike other wars we have more soldiers surviving severe wounds due to improved medical care, hence more depression and associated suicide.
How would you feel if you lost a couple of legs for a pack of lies?

Although Vietnam was highly stressful the general military was not aware of the lies until all was done. Although I do think many of the enlisted did suffer from it becoming an
unpopular war and they felt isolation and then shame upon return to home. The suicide rates were not this high for vietnam vets as the new current stats. The name of the game then was to dam well survive and go home and get on with life. ... remember, it was the draft that brought most to the battle field not a romantic or patriotic wish to do die in a dung filled rice patty to save us all from communism, although many did believe in the domino theory and we so motivated.

I agree with Dig, many now go into the military for a different reason, and the economic advantage is a leading one... with college paid and an opportunity for training in a nation that it is becoming harder and harder to get a leg up out of middle class and lower economic middle classes. In essence we have a force of paid mercenaries now. The patriotic thing is less applicable due to the monetary motivating factor for many.

the greatest service we can do for our sons and daughters it to teach them to abhor war and instruct them in the logistics of true peace.

[vibrations]

Unlike some of the other wars, Irag and Afghanistan were put upon our military though the active promotion of lies by our government.. These lies were seen early on by many.

My opinion is there was no any war in human history, honest and without lies. No one. But of course how can I prove it. Well, the logic is telling me so.

And great post, yes arrowind.

[Fred Steeves]

Hey Arrowwind, that about sums it up. Great post!

[Seikou-Kishi]

Seriously, what do these idiots expect? Train soldiers to cut off and hide away all that is good in them — their compassion, their mercy, their urge for peace and fellowship, their charity, their concern for their fellow man and their respect for the value of life — and then what is left to them? Sinking beneath a luke-warm tide of apathy, disassociation and depersonalisation. In the face of such horrendous onslaughts against their souls, surely death and thereby escape both from the theatre of war and the theatre of this macabre masquerade we call life (we give a cynical, humourless smile when we remember our naivety in attributing to it hope and unlimited possibility) is surely preferable?.

"No ****, Sherlock"




Unlike some of the other wars, Irag and Afghanistan were put upon our military though the active promotion of lies by our government.. These lies were seen early on by many.

My opinion is there was no any war in human history, honest and without lies. No one. But of course how can I prove it. Well, the logic is telling me so.

And great post, yes arrowind.

Every war at least assumes the falsehood that what is in the nation's leader's interests is what is in the interests of the people. That alone makes all wars based upon falsehood, since it will be true of the aggressor even if it is not true of the defendant.

[Maia Gabrial]

I agree with Dig, many now go into the military for a different reason, and the economic advantage is a leading one... with college paid and an opportunity for training in a nation that it is becoming harder and harder to get a leg up out of middle class and lower economic middle classes. In essence we have a force of paid mercenaries now. The patriotic thing is less applicable due to the monetary motivating factor for many.

I believe this is why high unemployement and no jobs were created, so that people have few options but to join the service as a means to pay bills, take care of their families, go to college, etc. Doesn't it sound like manipulation to you? They know human behavior very well....

[Seikou-Kishi]

I agree with Dig, many now go into the military for a different reason, and the economic advantage is a leading one... with college paid and an opportunity for training in a nation that it is becoming harder and harder to get a leg up out of middle class and lower economic middle classes. In essence we have a force of paid mercenaries now. The patriotic thing is less applicable due to the monetary motivating factor for many.

I believe this is why high unemployement and no jobs were created, so that people have few options but to join the service as a means to pay bills, take care of their families, go to college, etc. Doesn't it sound like manipulation to you?

I know a few less fortunate people who believe it is their only option, and yet others who think they'll derive some sort of honour from it. But no, mostly the former. "At least they'll teach me something I can use when I leave"... yeah, if you still have your limbs, your life, your sanity.

[Maia Gabrial]

Re: New Report: Military losing the Battle Against Suicide
Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)

I agree with Dig, many now go into the military for a different reason, and the economic advantage is a leading one... with college paid and an opportunity for training in a nation that it is becoming harder and harder to get a leg up out of middle class and lower economic middle classes. In essence we have a force of paid mercenaries now. The patriotic thing is less applicable due to the monetary motivating factor for many.
I believe this is why high unemployement and no jobs were created, so that people have few options but to join the service as a means to pay bills, take care of their families, go to college, etc. Doesn't it sound like manipulation to you?
I know a few less fortunate people who believe it is their only option, and yet others who think they'll derive some sort of honour from it. But no, mostly the former. "At least they'll teach me something I can use when I leave"... yeah, if you still have your limbs, your life, your sanity.

Call me a dummy, but I thought that way about learning a trade from the service, too. As impressive as my service record and trainings were, it didn't get me jack sh** in the civilian world. Of course, Vietnam era veterans were given a hard time from the moment they got home. They didn't get the hero's welcome. All you had to do was say that you had served in that war and there went your chances.....Many ended up homeless and/or forgotten as a fine thank you. I'm glad that the Afghanistan and Iraqi War veterans are getting more respect than we did.

I'm also glad that some of these veterans have seen the truth about what the US has REALLY been doing in these wars. They're speaking out to as many people as they can.... I think when the real "Sleeping Giant" awakens (and yes, I believe this refers to the unaware people in this country), THEN all of those corrupted officials all the way to POTUS will finally be brought to justice. They're so fond of ignoring or trying to do away with the Constitution, I wonder how they'd feel if they were brought to justice without THEIR Constitutional rights...? I bet they'd be screaming for them....Funny, huh?

[Seikou-Kishi]

Re: New Report: Military losing the Battle Against Suicide
Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)

I agree with Dig, many now go into the military for a different reason, and the economic advantage is a leading one... with college paid and an opportunity for training in a nation that it is becoming harder and harder to get a leg up out of middle class and lower economic middle classes. In essence we have a force of paid mercenaries now. The patriotic thing is less applicable due to the monetary motivating factor for many.
I believe this is why high unemployement and no jobs were created, so that people have few options but to join the service as a means to pay bills, take care of their families, go to college, etc. Doesn't it sound like manipulation to you?
I know a few less fortunate people who believe it is their only option, and yet others who think they'll derive some sort of honour from it. But no, mostly the former. "At least they'll teach me something I can use when I leave"... yeah, if you still have your limbs, your life, your sanity.

Call me a dummy, but I thought that way about learning a trade from the service, too. As impressive as my service record and trainings were, it didn't get me jack sh** in the civilian world. Of course, Vietnam era veterans were given a hard time from the moment they got home. They didn't get the hero's welcome. All you had to do was say that you had served in that war and there went your chances.....Many ended up homeless and/or forgotten as a fine thank you. I'm glad that the Afghanistan and Iraqi War veterans are getting more respect than we did.

I'm also glad that some of these veterans have seen the truth about what the US has REALLY been doing in these wars. They're speaking out to as many people as they can.... I think when the real "Sleeping Giant" awakens (and yes, I believe this refers to the unaware people in this country), THEN all of those corrupted officials all the way to POTUS will finally be brought to justice. They're so fond of ignoring or trying to do away with the Constitution, I wonder how they'd feel if they were brought to justice without THEIR Constitutional rights...? I bet they'd be screaming for them....Funny, huh?

Maia, whenever I read your posts I would have trouble thinking of you as average, never mind dumb. When a conman tricks somebody, the shame is always his and not the victims. You got jack **** on Civvy Street and that's their fault for their duplicity, not yours.

[Lord Sidious]

Oh yeah, I'll never forget all the jabs we got when I was in boot camp back in '93, I can only imagine what they're getting these days. I do wonder still just what in the hell all those shots were, and what was in them.

Cheers,
Fred

I finished my time the year before you did your boot camp.

In all of the researchings you've done, have you stumbled across what those shots are/were?

It varies from nation to nation.
I am not sure.

[jackovesk]

I'm also glad that some of these veterans have seen the truth about what the US has REALLY been doing in these wars. They're speaking out to as many people as they can.... I think when the real "Sleeping Giant" awakens (and yes, I believe this refers to the unaware people in this country), THEN all of those corrupted officials all the way to POTUS will finally be brought to justice. They're so fond of ignoring or trying to do away with the Constitution, I wonder how they'd feel if they were brought to justice without THEIR Constitutional rights...? I bet they'd be screaming for them....Funny, huh?

Maia Gabrial - Well Said

Lest We Forget - How 'Words of Truth' resonate so Powerfully throughout the 'Universal Ether'...

Many think that our posts of 'Truth' have albeit little impact on shaping the world, I disagree entirely...

If anyones Posts comes from a position of informed Heartfelt 'Truth', this is the 'Winning Weapon' against those who disregard Humanity and wish to Enslave Us ALL..!

Universal Transparency & Truth is the only way forward..!

The 'Truth' is The 'Truth' is The 'Truth' and there is Abosolutely 'Nothing' the PTW can do about, let alone Defeat it. Period..!

...and that is 'Why' the PTW work so hard to 'Suppress' it..!

[Eagle]

This post has weighed heavily on me due to the simple fact of what is being presented. In answer to the post. Suicide has been a part of military life since there have been wars! War is the simple failure of people to understand each other and love one another, regardless of the struggle for land, rights, power, recourses, and belief system, whatever. The only reason why suicide seems more relevant now is because it’s actually being reported. It is highest among the Reserves and the National Guard due to the fact that these forces were never meant to be a sustaining force for overseas combat missions. For almost ten years now they have been fighting a war against in invisible enemy labeled “Terrorist” war before this with the exception of Vietnam was an obvious enemy that looked, talked, and believed differently, “not anymore” War has never been pleasant, war has never been glorious, and war has most certainly never been an answer to issues. Regardless of what side you’re fighting for, regardless of what belief you’re fighting for, it is still the Ideal that counts whether it be freedom or human rights. Ask the 300 Spartans of old as they faced the vast Persian army if the last thoughts that were going through their heads as they died were, how corrupt their government was?
If you tell someone who has spent most of his life defending an idea only to be told it is worth crap, what do you think the suicide rate would be then? Unless you have walked in a Soldiers/Warriors boots you have no idea what they truly believe in!

[Guest]

I had a grandfather who served for the confederacy in the Civil War, an uncle who served for the Union, a grandfather who served in the Spanish American & World War I, a grandfather who was medic & a cousin killed on Anzio Beach in World War II, and my father served in the Korea Conflict (War).

I recently read in the newspaper -that a young Native American man MIA in Korea who died (starved to death in captivity); they just brought his bones back to his people.

A friend of mine that was special forces during Viet Nam, went AWOL just after he was honorably discharged -the military had a man hunt out for him. He said they keep tabs on us and if they don't know where we are or what we are doing -they look for us.

Had another friend who was in Viet Nam who guarded a Good Year factory, another who did special ops for the Sundt Co.

Many, many friends who have PTSD..... in all sorts of forms:usa2::(


Nora

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[Maia Gabrial]

Re: New Report: Military losing the Battle Against Suicide
Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)

Re: New Report: Military losing the Battle Against Suicide
Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)

I agree with Dig, many now go into the military for a different reason, and the economic advantage is a leading one... with college paid and an opportunity for training in a nation that it is becoming harder and harder to get a leg up out of middle class and lower economic middle classes. In essence we have a force of paid mercenaries now. The patriotic thing is less applicable due to the monetary motivating factor for many.
I believe this is why high unemployement and no jobs were created, so that people have few options but to join the service as a means to pay bills, take care of their families, go to college, etc. Doesn't it sound like manipulation to you?
I know a few less fortunate people who believe it is their only option, and yet others who think they'll derive some sort of honour from it. But no, mostly the former. "At least they'll teach me something I can use when I leave"... yeah, if you still have your limbs, your life, your sanity.
Call me a dummy, but I thought that way about learning a trade from the service, too. As impressive as my service record and trainings were, it didn't get me jack sh** in the civilian world. Of course, Vietnam era veterans were given a hard time from the moment they got home. They didn't get the hero's welcome. All you had to do was say that you had served in that war and there went your chances.....Many ended up homeless and/or forgotten as a fine thank you. I'm glad that the Afghanistan and Iraqi War veterans are getting more respect than we did.

I'm also glad that some of these veterans have seen the truth about what the US has REALLY been doing in these wars. They're speaking out to as many people as they can.... I think when the real "Sleeping Giant" awakens (and yes, I believe this refers to the unaware people in this country), THEN all of those corrupted officials all the way to POTUS will finally be brought to justice. They're so fond of ignoring or trying to do away with the Constitution, I wonder how they'd feel if they were brought to justice without THEIR Constitutional rights...? I bet they'd be screaming for them....Funny, huh?
Maia, whenever I read your posts I would have trouble thinking of you as average, never mind dumb. When a conman tricks somebody, the shame is always his and not the victims. You got jack **** on Civvy Street and that's their fault for their duplicity, not yours.

Thanks. I really appreciate it.

[Maia Gabrial]

A friend of mine that was special forces during Viet Nam, went AWOL just after he was honorably discharged -the military had a man hunt out for him. He said they keep tabs on us and if they don't know where we are or what we are doing -they look for us.


I only suspected that we were being watched.... I didn't get into the VA system until 2005. Now they can track me a whole lot better....

[58andfixed]

http://www.stacybannerman.com/

http://www.stacybannerman.com/images/book-cover-small.jpg

"Citizen soldiers have served the longest tours-of-duty in Iraq."

"These “weekend warriors” and their families pay a heavy price. National Guard soldiers have far higher rates of post-combat stress, marriage problems, and financial issues, including the loss of homes and civilian jobs, than their active duty counterparts."

"The families left behind are often isolated and alone, struggling without the support and services available to military families residing on post."

"When the War Came Home chronicles the impact of operationalizing the forces that were intended to function as strategic reserves, and provides a personal account of Stacy’s home front experience as she protests a war that her husband is fighting."

"At the heart of this powerful story of service, sacrifice, and speaking out is the question:"

"What constitutes support for the troops, and when does it begin - before war is declared, during deployment, or after they come home?"

- 58

[58andfixed]

Aaron Glantz

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Glantz

an American journalist and author.

Since 2003, his principal focus has been on the war in Iraq and its effects on American military personnel.

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http://www.democracynow.org/2010/10/18/wars_hidden_death_toll_after_service

Aaron Glantz, reporter with the Bay Citizen.

His article 'After Service, Veteran Deaths Surge' appeared in the New York Times.

http://www.baycitizen.org/veterans/story/after-service-veteran-deaths-surge/

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http://uprisingradio.org/home/?p=1871

The War Comes Home Project

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http://www.dailycal.org/article/102998/

Suicide of Army Veteran, Senior Shocks Family

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http://ipsnews.net/new_focus/aaron/

Stories by Aaron Glantz

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The War Comes Home: Washington's Battle Against America's Veterans
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[Guest]

A friend of mine that was special forces during Viet Nam, went AWOL just after he was honorably discharged -the military had a man hunt out for him. He said they keep tabs on us and if they don't know where we are or what we are doing -they look for us.


I only suspected that we were being watched.... I didn't get into the VA system until 2005. Now they can track me a whole lot better....

Yes they do..... VA is one way

My friend communicated a lot with me.

My friend had a friend that was there too -who wrote a book & documented and storied everything-....my friend was helping him...... he said he didn't publish it & then died.... he said last he had heard the book either got vaulted somewhere or just disappeared....

My friend was like a Ghost.... & brilliant -a quality into human & beyond -he taught me a lot..... he didn't put me threough boot camp..... he knew things at a great depth..... he met me where I was at.... started horizontally then vertically going bottom to top..... took me time to integrate & assimilate -assemble to whole... I don't know if this makes any sense at all... sitting here writing word on a computer doesn't do any of justice but it is what we have now....

So -a true warrior bows to no one and expects no one to bow to him..... but I bow to you guys.... whether you have been to war or not

Thank you 58andFixed for the book will download it to my e-book or buy in in paper

Nora

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