Are there such forces, as spiritual laws?

[VaughnB]

Often I think we reap what we sew.
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Are we not allowed to do this, that or the other? Something like the ten commandments afterlife style?

Is there perhaps a set of universal laws like you drop a hammer and it falls. Cause and effect type?



We have not even to risk the adventure alone, for the heroes of all time have gone before us — the labyrinth is thoroughly known.


It's only when a man tames his own demons that he becomes the king of himself if not of the world.


[I]Wherever the hero may wander, whatever he may do, he is ever in the presence of his own essence — for he has the perfected eye to see. There is no separateness.


Quotes from my favorite of authors - JOSEPH CAMPBELL

Where we had thought to be alone we should be with all the world.

It is his profound gift and ability to explain complex beliefs and myth in story.

http://www.mevio.com/episode/92858/the-power-of-myth-with-joseph-cambell

[greybeard]

Karma more or less sums it up.
Regards Chris

[jessamy99]

I believe there are laws that govern us in the normal way of things.
But, I also believe that we can step outside these laws by realising who or what we truly are.
When we experience and maintain (the hard bit) that level of consciousness where we are at one with all creation and the creator of it all, then I believe we no longer are subject to the laws of karma.
Just a feeling.

With love,
Jessamy.

[Tony]

Don't be like a sticky toffee, that collects a lot of fluff!

[Arrowwind]

The laws change as you evolve.
the laws change from dimension to dimension
the laws change according to who is in power
the laws change when you witness them
the laws are quantum
the laws are secret
the laws are only there when you witness them
when a tree falls in the forest does it make sound?
or just frequency?

[letmedanz]

Laws & rules are primarily intended to control.
Gravity is an universal law.
It controls you in our step.

Karma is the only other law that is so evident in this dimension.
All other laws are either absent, obscure or so deeply imbibed in us that we just do not even realize its presence.

There shall be rules & laws up until the time we are capable of being fully aware...

[aranuk]

Don't be like a sticky toffee, that collects a lot of fluff!

So sweet!

Stan

[Anchor]

Do what thou wilt

[VaughnB]

“Spiritual laws are defined by God and apply to all living forms that have the gift of freewill, and when these are not followed the experiences will be repeated until you overcome them. That is spiritual evolution and your consciousness will not be lifted to higher levels until the lessons have been learned.”



We receive guidance throughout our lives to help us make wise choices: “Your progress is not taken lightly and is carefully considered for each soul, and you are guided to experience that offers you the best opportunity to evolve. (22) Although our lives are planned before birth, we may not stick to our life plan and therefore our guides are here to remind us and help us make the best choices.


Some souls may go through the same experiences many times, he adds, but “there is always something to be learned.” Because higher beings understand the manner in which life works, they have no judgments towards us, no matter what we do or how long we take.


“There is no judgment at the higher levels, and we simply see beautiful souls making their way back to the Light. The whole purpose of being in duality is to grow through experience, so why indeed should anyone’s choice be looked upon as different to anyone else’s.


“Your lives all carry responsibility and your actions are accountable for by you, but once cleared karmically there are no recriminations. Remember that experiences are set up with souls that have all agreed to play out their respective roles. Someone has to take the part of the dark Ones, and believe us, Dear Ones – you have all acted on both sides.”

[TraineeHuman]

After we die there is no judgment other than our own -- except for extreme cases like the Hitlers and Bushes etc.

As any professional philosopher can tell you, it has well and truly been proved (e.g. by Hume and by Kant) that causality only exists for mechanical or inanimate objects. E.g., one wheel turns and that makes a second wheel turn because they are joined together. However, it's still true that everything you do counts. But please, life is not a matter of accountancy.

As Jessamy was suggesting, the question of what laws apply to you is tricky because what if "you" change profoundly? Then any laws which were relevant to the old you may no longer be relevant to you. And who is the real "you" anyway, if we go deeper?

[Anchor]

After we die there is no judgment other than our own -- except for extreme cases like the Hitlers and Bushes etc.

Please explain the exception. I didn't think Hitler or Bush got special treatment.

You can only judge yourself, others can only try to judge you - but it isnt material - its advice for consideration :)

[jessamy99]

I am no expert at remembering between lives.
But I have a feeling that when we die we are our own worst judge and jury.
I think we suddenly see clearly what we have done - good or bad.
We may feel proud of ourselves, or we may feel that awful sinking feeling in the stomach when we realise what exactly we did in this life.
Maybe we decide then whether to try the challenge again.
Just a feeling I have.

With love, Jessamy.

[Lord Sidious]

After we die there is no judgment other than our own -- except for extreme cases like the Hitlers and Bushes etc.

As any professional philosopher can tell you, it has well and truly been proved (e.g. by Hume and by Kant) that causality only exists for mechanical or inanimate objects. E.g., one wheel turns and that makes a second wheel turn because they are joined together. However, it's still true that everything you do counts. But please, life is not a matter of accountancy.

As Jessamy was suggesting, the question of what laws apply to you is tricky because what if "you" change profoundly? Then any laws which were relevant to the old you may no longer be relevant to you. And who is the real "you" anyway, if we go deeper?

I think the hitlers, bushes, stalins and the rest don't get judged by anyone, because they are only actors, here to be a catalyst for stubborn nuggets who won't leave their comfort zone, but I do agree that we judge ourselves if we are not actors.

[TraineeHuman]

Hi Anchor, and Lord Sidious and Jessamy,

I happen to know that there is some kind of justice system in the 4D world that can, in rare cases, make rulings to impose limitations of some kind on an individual’s next reincarnation. Sorry, but I don’t know exactly how it works. Maybe there’s someone in the Forum who has some accurate knowledge about the “bureaucracy” of the 4D world who could tell us more. I know that some esoteric schools claim that anyone who greatly abuses power usually gets reborn with some physical disability, but I can’t confirm that because I don’t have direct evidence or experience to know whether that’s generally true or not.

I wouldn’t say I see those very destructive individuals as “actors”. I see them as human beings, like the rest of us, but they are learning how to handle power. The power lesson is much tougher to get a “pass” in than pretty much any other lesson. Power corrupts a person, and quickly, in many cases. I’m sure if the 4D justice system does rule on one of the “actors”, they take the degree of difficulty into account.

There are many myths around that I attribute to misunderstanding what embracing your dark side actually means. In my understanding it doesn't mean, for instance, that you can make it by going out of your way to do evil things all the time, in some kind of "left-hand path".

And we only learn through making mistakes. Learning by doing.

[jorr lundstrom]

Do you really think there are laws of karma? Do you really think people get wot

they deserve? Do you also think anyone can overview the consequenses of ones

actions? Do you believe anyone can be made accountable for anything?

Do you believe than anyone will leave his/ her comfort zone as long as

there is a possibility to create a new selfdeception? Well, do you................................??

And, thank you VaughnB for exposing your belief system, first an innocent question and then

it all rolls out. LOL

[Anchor]

Do you really think there are laws of karma?

Yes. However, I think of it as a scientific principle - rather like the laws of nature. It is not a judgement thing, but a rather more complex version of Newtons first law of motion.


Do you really think people get wot they deserve?

I don't actually think it matters :) Such things are important for judges. It is often seen that people do experience the karmic reactions to what they do, but this can happen in such obtuse ways it is not readily apparent that this is what is happening.


Do you also think anyone can overview the consequenses of ones actions?

Yes, one good way is in meditation.


Do you believe anyone can be made accountable for anything?

Every one is responsible for every act, even every thought, even every word uttered. Everything you do you are responsible. The real challenge is owning up to that and taking this on seriously and in a fully aware and concious manner.


Do you believe than anyone will leave his/ her comfort zone as long as there is a possibility to create a new selfdeception?

Eventually they will.


Well, do you................................??

Yes really I do :)


And, thank you VaughnB for exposing your belief system, first an innocent question and then it all rolls out. LOL

Avalon at its finest.

[Guest]

I am no expert at remembering between lives.
But I have a feeling that when we die we are our own worst judge and jury.
I think we suddenly see clearly what we have done - good or bad.
We may feel proud of ourselves, or we may feel that awful sinking feeling in the stomach when we realise what exactly we did in this life.
Maybe we decide then whether to try the challenge again.
Just a feeling I have.

With love, Jessamy.

Usually if someone has created or done something that has caused harm to themselves or others, or are not satisfied with themselves or missed the boat entirely -if they do not work out in that life; when they acsend to the plane they are suppose to go they will & when the other person(s) do too they will try & work it out on that spirit plane. If they don't work it out or can't be worked out on that plane, they usually come back to earth to do it over again to equalize it or meet the agreements they made before -there really isn't any right or wrong. Realization is important at some level.

Sometimes there are exceptions -actors as Lord Sid calls them -also too remember the means do not always justify the end or vice-a-verse much is subjective.

There is a place within us all where laws do not exist as Jessamy says. -we must meet those planes -there isn't an I or a you defined just Being

Words are difficult to explain any of this -for me I lose something with words.

Nora

we are all related

[ocean]

well saaid nora...thanks so much for the insight.

[eaglespirit]

Stop doing wrong things.

Live each moment as purely as You are able.

Help Others reaching out do the same for Themselves.

STOP thinking so much and simply Love : )

[Eagle]

I look at it this way, there are not universal laws but rather universal truths. laws are a creation of man to govern or control, Father/God/Source dosent control us by inflicting laws, rather he gave us truths with which to live by. Love is the universal truth to which everything except man follows willingly.