Coffee is a Cup of PAIN

[Dawn]

Although recent research, comparing coffee drinkers to non-coffee drinkers, in terms of what percentage of these populations show tendencies towards disease and so on indicates Coffee may be good for you.... the actual fact is the total opposite.

I do not normally drink coffee, however after not having any coffee for a few years, I allowed myself to have 2 cups over the past 2 days. Today I am not drinking coffee, as I do not with to become addicted to it again (I was years ago). However, to my surprise I have felt depressed, unable to move about without pain, and I have had a headache all day. This is NOT me at all, and I recognize this as the symptoms of caffeine withdrawal.

If you read the information at this link you will NEVER want to drink Coffee (or tea) again!

http://photoman.bizland.com/stuff/CaffeineandMigraineFAQ.htm

There is a wealth of scientific information on this site and you may not wish to read the whole thing so I will summarize some of it here:

** Caffeine causes physical changes in the nervous system which directly creates pain throughout the body

** Caffeine causes migraine headaches and disturbances of vision through these changes in the nervous system if the body does not get its ‘fix’ in continuous measured doses. So even if you are late drinking your coffee this may trigger a migraine headache.

** Caffeine is the major source of insomnia because of the damage it does to the nervous system


The nervous system adjusts to even one exposure to caffeine by increasing the number of adenosine receptors and reducing the number of serotonin, dopamine, acetylcholine, and norepinephrine receptors. These adjustments allow the caffeine user to function fairly normally despite the interfering presence of caffeine. When caffeine is abruptly withdrawn, however, that leaves the chronic caffeine user with too many adenosine receptors and not enough serotonin, dopamine, acetylcholine, and norepinephrine receptors. When caffeine is suddenly not present, release of excitatory neurotransmitters is therefore excessively suppressed. This causes various parts of the nervous system to malfunction, chiefly in the immediate area of the various sensory apparatus of the head (the retinas, olfactory bulbs, cochleae, vestibular apparatus, lips, tongue, and tooth pulp), where there are great concentrations of sensory neurons that release adenosine.



So, if you are a coffee drinker ... now you know what you are doing to your body. Enjoy your Cup of Joe (AKA Cup of Pain)

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[Heyoka_11]

G'day Dawn, and thank you for the thread.

Whilst I won't go as far as saying what's right or wrong here, as I am a big believer in all things in moderation', I will say that giving coffee the flick eleven years ago was one of the best moves I have ever made. I gave up as part of a general cleaning up of my act after developing chronic paroxysmal hemicrania (very nasty headaches). Once through the withdrawals, I found my ability to concentrate was markedly improved through not suffering the frequent distraction of cravings, but the greatest benefit was a far more stabilised mood; the daily ups and downs of content versus somewhat confused simply vanished. I have subsequently also kicked tea to see if that would help further, and it did.

There is a wealth of information available that would suggest that coffee is good for us, and again, in moderation it way well have some benefits. But I think it wise to remember that the coffee industry is just that, an industry, and are no less likely to publish twisted statistics and misinformation than big pharma or MSM.

If I drank a cup of strong coffee right now, I know darn well that my head would spin to the point that I'd have to sit down. How can that be good?

Out of practice perhaps? Yes, I know that I am, and far better for it too!

Just my opinion folks! :)

[STATIC]

Hmmm, I drink one cup of coffee as i am very sensitive to caffeine and totally spas out if i drink any more than that. I don't think i would have any withdraw symptoms if i just quit doing that.
Funny I enjoy drinking coffee but I totally hate the way it makes me feel (caffeine that is).
Another substance I want to drop.
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[Etherios]

Well it depends on what kind of coffee you drink and how much you drink. As the ancient Greeks used to say "Everything needs the proper measure" Even nectar will do you harm if you eat too much right?

[Mike Gorman]

I do not understand all this sensitivity-i drink coffee and Tea, mostly Tea and have done since a young age.
I do not suffer from caffeine cravings, or headaches-I do not drink any coffee after about 11:30AM otherwise I
can get a bit wired. Otherwise, no ill effects. It depends on your own disposition I would say...listen to your body.

[The One]

I do not beleive what i am told

One minute its good for you the next its not.To be honest i think the experts dont even know.

We are very gullible us humans when we were told to drink more water you would be amazed how many now do that.I just look around my work place and nearly everyone's got a bottle of water on their desk.Not me i love my coffee.

Each to their own i guess but i wont stop doing what i do cause some quirky scientist says its not good for you.Everyone of us are different and its how are body responds to different thigs.Some people will be able to enjoy things more than someone else.

[kanishk]

perfect .. what you are saying create better understanding. their are many similar things like above.

[DarMar]

I drink alot of coffee, its not like im addicted cause it can pass few days for me not to even think about coffee.
But what i do most of time is i drink it through all day and i can drink whole cup of coffe and go to sleep without any problems.
As im spending alot of time by computer programming and computerlike jobs i got used to that drink.
But i think its very important which coffee you drink.. I deffinetly cannot drink espresso, instants or similar junks.
Here we call that turkish coffee with alot of mud on bottom of cup :D
Never had any head-simptoms, never had side effects nor felt bad from it.
Also cannot imagine to drink coffee without smoking tobacco, somehow i always felt that two supsatnaces in combination can be miraculous.

im doing smoking and coffee drinking for approx 18 years and never had any problems.
never sick, never coughed.

is it combination of chemistry between tobacco and coffee or is it in dna and varies from human to human is thing that im not shure of.
But im shure coffee is not unhealthy by itself same as tobacco and other demonised stuff that goes into that category, while espresso and instants are dangerous chems... same as tobacco-cigarette relations

[Star1111]

Does this apply to De-Caff Dawn or is it something in the coffee other than caffeine ?

[benevolentcrow]

My mother is 88 years old been drinking coffee over 70+years, still smokes cigarettes too (which I think is a nasty habit). She is very healthy considering her age. It is all in your genes as to how you react to different things. Educate yourself but be skeptical of what you read.

I have a type 0 blood, I am a meat and vegetable eater and I love my coffee, my husband is a type A, vegetables and grains and does not drink coffee. Intuition is key, what is right for you is only for you to say!

[Dawn]

Does this apply to De-Caff Dawn or is it something in the coffee other than caffeine ?

That is a good question, the article I posted here is about the permanent rewiring of your Central Nervous system caused by Caffeine. About whether Decaff coffee is safe and healthy... good question. I know that most coffee is extremely acidic, however organically grown coffee that is naturally dried in the sun and shade is actually alkaline... so that solves that problem.

The other issue is the poisonous chemicals used in normal decaf manufacture. As far as I know from looking into it myself, the Swiss Water Process is the best and safest way to manufacture decaf coffee without leaving manufacturing toxins. I guess the ideal combination would be organic, naturally dried, Swiss Water processed de-cafe coffee. Where could you find something like that? I have NO idea!

But for me, I have grown away from coffee tasting good. It took a while, but I now associate it with feeling ill. I guess I will see how many years it might take for me to forget the lesson of the past week and try another cup of pain again.

I see the posts of others here about how coffee does not affect them. I wonder if any of you who posted this way actually read the article. It is none of my business.... and I know that science definitely does not have all the answers. When I was younger I did not think coffee bothered my body a bit, but as I have aged I am more sensitive to the signals my body is giving me.... and my body is definitely more sensitive than when I was younger.

It is always a matter of listening to your body, educating yourself, and then making the decision appropriate for you. I always like to be kind to my body.

[The One]

For most of us, the potential benefits of coffee far outweigh the risks. Over the last few years, a surprising number of research studies have buttressed that verdict. Why this reversal, in light of the earlier warnings about coffee?

Earlier studies didn't always take into account that health risk behaviors -- like smoking and lack of exercise -- tended to be more common among heavy coffee drinkers. So, current studies have generally found no connection between coffee drinking and an increased risk of cancer or heart disease.

But current research still finds some risks. High consumption of unfiltered coffee is associated with mild elevations in cholesterol levels. Another study found that two or more cups of coffee a day can increase the risk of heart disease in people with a specific -- and fairly common -- genetic mutation that slows the breakdown of caffeine in the body. So, how quickly you metabolize coffee may affect your health risk. Too much coffee can result in jitters and stomach upset. One study found an increased risk of miscarriage when a woman is a heavy coffe-drinker.

That's the downside. We coffee lovers -- who can't start the day without our java fix -- are well aware of the energy-boosting effect of caffeine. But look at this array of studies finding other possible health benefits from coffee consumption:

•Drinking more than three cups of coffee a day could help ward off basal-cell carcinoma, the most common cancer. Women who drink three or more cups a day have a 20% lower risk of skin cancer while men had a 9% lower risk.

•Women who drink two to three cups a day have a 15% lower risk of depression than those who drink only one cup. Those who drink four or more cups have a 20% lower risk.

•Drinking one to five cups of coffee per day reduces your risk of having a stroke by as much as 25%. A 10-year study involving 34,670 participants found a statistically significant lower risk of total stroke, cerebral infraction, and subarachnoid hemorrhage, but no impact on intracerebral hemorrhage. Three out of four ain't bad.

•Drinking coffee is associated with a lower risk of type 2 diabetes. People who drink more than six cups a day are 35% less likely to have type 2 diabetes. Six cups of coffee a day might result in the jitters for many of us. But four cups a day was associated with a still impressive 28% reduction in the risk.

•Drinking two or three cups of coffee a day could lower the risk of developing Parkinson's Disease by as much as 25%. And those drinking six or more cups a day are 63% less likely to develop Parkinson's But being a three-to-four-cup-a-day coffee drinker most of my adult life didn't stop me from getting Parkinson's.

•People who drink four or more cups of coffee a day are 80% less likely to develop cirrhosis of the liver than those who drink no coffee. According to the researchers who did this study, "there is an ingredient in coffee that protects against cirrhosis, especially alcoholic cirrhosis. Guess it was a good thing that I kept on tossing down caffeine as well as alcohol during my drinking days!

•Women who drink one to five cups of coffee a day -- including decaf -- reduce their risk of death from all causes by 15 to 19 percent compared to those who drink no coffee at all. The researchers who did this study theorize that this result suggests that the protection comes not from the caffeine in coffee but rather that its magic-bullet antioxidants.

•Men who drink six cups of coffee a day have a 60% less chance of developing a dangerous form of prostate cancer as well as a 20% lower risk of developing any other kind of prostate cancer. This study, like the one above, involved men who drank decaf or regular coffee. The researchers here also suggested that coffee's antioxidants, not the caffeine, were associated with the risk reduction. As with Parkinson's, my coffee consumption didn't ward off my prostate cancer, but fortunately mine doesn't appear to be the particularly dangerous form.

Although some of these studies speak of impressive risk-reduction percentages from drinking six or more cups of coffee a day, most medical authorities caution that in the case of heavy coffee consumption the risks may well outweigh the benefits.


Remember also that the findings in studies like these, while useful, do not establish causality. At best, the studies tell us that the beverage is associated with a reduced risk of cancer... or whatever, not that it actually reduced the risk.

http://parkinsonsand5htp.blogspot.com/2011/11/coffee-good-or-bad-for-us-verdict-is-in.html

[tcjim1]

Good morning everyone.!!......Coffee doesn't effect everyone the same way. Foods that have bad effects on some people may not bother anyone else. We are all different. I look forward to my coffee in the morning. It doesn't bother my sleep cycle either, but I know others that coffee has bad effects on them.
Hope you all have a great day!..

[The One]

Good morning everyone.!!......Coffee doesn't effect everyone the same way. Foods that have bad effects on some people may not bother anyone else. We are all different. I look forward to my coffee in the morning. It doesn't bother my sleep cycle either, but I know others that coffee has bad effects on them.
Hope you all have a great day!..

Spot on
I am just tucking into my pie peas chips and gravy yummy

lol :high5: