Turkish Outrage: Supreme Court Says 13-Year-Old Girl ‘Consented’ to Rape

[Lord Sidious]

Look at this nuggetry avalonuggets.
I can't even begin to get my head into the space these ''judges'' were in when they decided this was the way to go.
One day, females of all ages will be taken for who and what they are, rather than how sexy they are or the current ''standards'' they are measured by.
I would have said that these ''judges'' would make excellent shark bait, but I don't have anything against sharks.

A major scandal has hit Turkey over the Supreme Court ruling last week that a 13-year-old girl raped by 26 men over a seven month period had given her consent to her sexual abuse.

They upheld an earlier decision by a local court in Mardin Province, South-Eastern Turkey, to reduce the sentences, and her rapists were either acquitted or given between one to slightly more than four years in jail due to ‘good behavior in the courtroom’ and the judges’ finding that she ‘willingly consented to the abuse.’

Her rapists included muhtars, or village heads, a gendarmerie captain, village guards (individuals armed by the state to fight separatist terrorists in the region) and even the manager in charge of correspondence in the Governor’s Office. She was sold by two individuals for seven months to these 26 men, some of whom came back repeatedly.

Women’s rights activist Leman Yurtsever, who has acted as foster mother to the woman, N.Ç., now 20, said she was planning to take the case to the European Court of Human Rights.

The Turkish government’s Family and Social Policies Minister Fatma Şahin called the ruling “unacceptable and worrying” but said the court was yet to pronounce its final word.

“The Supreme Court of Appeals is saying that the case is not yet over and that the media have distorted the issue. Let’s wait and see their decision,” Şahin told reporters on Thursday.

Justice Minister Sadullah Ergin said the controversy arose from the fact that the case pertained to offenses committed before a penal code reform introduced tougher provisions on rape in 2005.

The Turkish Bar Association, however, said Friday that even the implementation of old provisions could not justify the ruling.

“To consider and accept that N.Ç. willingly allowed herself to be raped is against the realities of life, and also against the letter and spirit of the law that was in effect when the offenses were committed,” the association said in a statement.

Turkish President Abdullah Gül also commented on the scandal, stating that he was “deeply disturbed” by the reduction of sentences.

“As far as I know, the judiciary process isn’t over yet,” Gül Tweeted. “I hope that a decision will be made that would coincide with the public conscience.”

Yurtsever said N.Ç. is learning English and wants to study law “to get back at those who put her through all this torture.”

“For the past nine years, she hasn’t had a single night of peaceful sleep. I told her there were news stories about her; she didn’t even talk about it because she is trying to get away from it all. What she went through is always there somewhere in the back of her mind.”

Yurtsever said the ruling was a serious blow.

“One night when we were watching news of the ruling on television, we just went out and walked the streets until midnight. She has been to hospitals so many times due to the physical effects. She is still having problems.”

N.Ç.’s lawyer, Reyhan Yalçındağ Baydemir, said they had expected the Supreme Court of Appeals to overturn the decision, but its 14th Chamber had upheld the lower court’s ruling.

“The case has been in their hands for 13 months, but now this is the 11th year of the trial. So we have a problem of justice working slowly here. Why are they taking 13 months on a case that has become a major trial both in Turkey and in the world? They are causing the file to be subject to the statute of limitations.”

National Turk newspaper commented that:

“Turkey’s failure to protect its children and women from rapists was inherently connected to patriarchal attitudes, such as the government’s move last year to change the name of the women’s ministry to the Ministry of Family and Social Policy.”

http://www.care2.com/causes/turkish-outrage-supreme-court-says-13-year-old-girl-consented-to-rape.html

[shadowstalker]

Can I though up now?

[Calz]

Well of course ... she deserves to have acid thrown in her face!!!

What's wrong with this picture???

[RMorgan]

You know, sometimes I feel disgusted about being a man...

How come that sexual instincts might be so strong, that they overcome ethics, reason, compassion and love??

Women are beautiful beings, and they must be respected in all senses and circumstances. Women would never do something like that.

Probably, the world is a mess because it´s ruled by men and their animal instincts. I´m almost sure about that.

This article resumes pretty much the current global scenario. In the article, these men raped a child. In the world, some men rape the whole planet.

Our governors are no more than this Turkish rapers, only with more power on their dirty hands.

[Lord Sidious]

These are our sisters, our wives, our mothers, our daughters.
They aren't sex toys for nuggets.
This is one reason I reject the abrahamic systems.

[meeradas]

That's what we get if we follow a book advocating suppression of being natural, and replacing our conscience with it.

[Gaia]

A girl of thirteen, may not have know what rape was at the beginning, let alone consent. I do know that the poor child would have been terrified and in pain with no one to turn to...This is beyond my comprehension ! Obviously ! Turkey is several centuries behind what is often described as the "Modern World" Their laws reflect their beliefs. Women are of no consequence to be treated as chattels.

Gaia

[WhiteFeather]

If i were the father of that girl, i would take the law into thine own hands.


http://www.titrari.ro/moviepics/0070895.jpg

[Gaia]

If i were the father of that girl, i would take the law into thine own hands.


http://www.titrari.ro/moviepics/0070895.jpg

The revenger must take the law into his own hands and commit an evil act to get revenge...

Hamlet
by William Shakespeare

[Flash]

Part of the story is missing here: although there is in my heart no excuses for what 25 men have done, as group rape, the 13 years old was with a pimp prostituting prior to the rape, therefore probably the misjudgment from the judge.

The other part of the story is that the people in Turkey are protesting, the people. Do you see, the mentality of the Turks is to protect the young ususally and this is absolutely disgusting in their mind.

As for the acid in the women's face, there is no such tradition in Turkey, in any way. Turcs are originally from a matriarcal culture (some 800 years ago) and it still shows in their behavior towards women. if they flirt, they do it intensively about like all meditarenean do, no more no less. There is also more professionnal women (respected in their work) in Turkeys, which has 74 millions inhabitants, than proportionnally in France, which is deemed very develop and tolerant towards women (which, as far as I am concern, i do not really agree with French being non sexist is laughable).

I have seen more respect for women in Turkey than in most western countries. Certainly more in the work market and in the intellectual spheres. I have seen complete stranger getting their bat from under their soft drink counter in order to defend a screaming women in a parc, this in a 15 millions inhabitant city (Istanbul). This is usually not seen in America.

And to tell you the truth, sometimes we are as stupid with the law in Canada when it comes to rape (very little penalties, even for pedophilia, contrary to US). I am certain that the voice of the Turkish people will prevail against a stupid judgment.

[taurad]

wow...speechless

where's Dexter?!
i hope he's shopping for plastic covers, a lot...and some tape...
i'll buy him the return ticket to Istanbul

thing's like this get me back to nihilistic mood...
make me wish Elenin and YU55 existed, and joined trajectories, to double hit this little stupid planet and reduce it to cosmic ash

[161803398]

About 15 years ago, a Judge of the Supreme Court of British Columbia, in Vancouver, said that a 5 year old girl had sexually enticed her abuser. These idiots exist everywhere. But some places are worse than others. A friend of mine from Lebanon tells me that if a woman goes out at night there and gets raped and goes to the police: the police will say "Why were you out?".

There was a lawyer in Vancouver who got into a lot of trouble. He believed that there was a pedophile ring in Vancouver which included some Judges of the Supreme Court. He got shot up with some drugs and put into hospital. I knew him. He was a little nutty on this particular issue but what I didn't understand was why so many people thought the idea of a pedophile ring in Vancouver was just crazy and impossible.

[Anchor]

Part of the story is missing here: although there is in my heart no excuses for what 25 men have done, as group rape, the 13 years old was with a pimp prostituting prior to the rape, therefore probably the misjudgment from the judge.

The other part of the story is that the people in Turkey are protesting, the people. Do you see, the mentality of the Turks is to protect the young ususally and this is absolutely disgusting in their mind.
Stories like this hit the media for two reason, and one of those reasons is so that they can be presented in a way that will wind you up.

The other reason is minimally related to the fact that it is news.

Of course I am not blind to the tragedy presented here.

Every one of us who reads these deviously written stories are given a catalyst and an opportunity to NOT get wound up, angry etc, but instead to actually do a bit more inner work and have a bit of faith in the fact that you can thereby bring about some healing. Its a choice anyone here can make.

[Lord Sidious]

Stories like this hit the media for two reason, and one of those reasons is so that they can be presented in a way that will wind you up.

The other reason is minimally related to the fact that it is news.

Of course I am not blind to the tragedy presented here.

Every one of us who reads these deviously written stories are given a catalyst and an opportunity to NOT get wound up, angry etc, but instead to actually do a bit more inner work and have a bit of faith in the fact that you can thereby bring about some healing. Its a choice anyone here can make.

You are correct.
Again.
I didn't post it for a wind up, more for a review of nuggetry and what we as a species must move past.

[Anchor]

I didn't post it for a wind up, more for a review of nuggetry and what we as a species must move past.

Yes I know you didn't - I just wanted to make an addition to Flash's point (which I forgot to quote but have amended my post)

[161803398]

Wind up? No, this is real all over the world. Its behind some of the mess we are in now.

9RvLL--vSsA


But another thing I have a real problem with is that stories about rape are often used to discredit certain people when they are false.

[Anchor]

It is important to be clear about the context of wind up - I am not saying the stories are made up. I am meaning that your emotions are being played with.

By misreporting a story like this, as Flash pointed out, we miss the bigger picture and the MSM focusses you on the pain and tragedy.

This does not make the pain and tragedy any less.

We are going through a rough time. The emergent golden age is not completely born yet, the labour is long and painful

WE have made it so.

Those among us with an agenda to render that birth still-born try with all thier might and skill to focus US (the ones that can actually do stuff) on the wrong things - on entirely negative things.

I post news stories about fluffy bunnies and rescued elephants for a reason :)

I am not blind to the immense suffering in the world, but we are being played here by its portrayal.

The work of shiva is being done here and its going to be hard on many people, but if we get our minds and spirits right, we can (and I think are) going to ameliorate the worst of it.

[161803398]

A girl of thirteen, may not have know what rape was at the beginning, let alone consent. I do know that the poor child would have been terrified and in pain with no one to turn to...This is beyond my comprehension ! Obviously ! Turkey is several centuries behind what is often described as the "Modern World" Their laws reflect their beliefs. Women are of no consequence to be treated as chattels.


Unfortunately, that's what we are supposed to believe...that its the brown people. We got some smarter evil people here who figured out how to cover it up better; that's all.

[161803398]

I have seen more respect for women in Turkey than in most western countries. Certainly more in the work market and in the intellectual spheres. I have seen complete stranger getting their bat from under their soft drink counter in order to defend a screaming women in a parc, this in a 15 millions inhabitant city (Istanbul). This is usually not seen in America.

I know this is true. I was actually with some Turkish people when my Lebanese friend was telling the story about "why are you out?". They laughed but had that look people get after they've been sucking lemons. This is something that has been visited upon them by their own PTB.

[161803398]

Problems in Vancouver started in 1994 but nothing has ever been resolved.

http://coto2.wordpress.com/2011/09/23/dick-cheney-to-speak-at-pedophile-vancouver-club-on-sept-26/

[161803398]

I think that everyone should be aware of this. You really cant put the puzzle together without understanding some of the more horrific aspects of the political corruption we see in the world at the moment.

lrTkwq4TFQk

[oceanz]

http://melindatankardreist.com/
The anti-rape pact we really need
By Alison Grundy

I am infuriated by the continued and deliberate misrepresentation of the crime of rape by the media and various ‘experts’, such as NSW Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione.

As a clinical psychologist, manager and supervisor in the field of sexual assault for 21 years I have been personally involved with thousands of rape victims from as young as 18 months through to women in their 90’s. None were raped because they were drunk or sober, because they were young or old, because they were attractive or not, because they were wearing any particular type of clothing or were behaving in any particular way.
They were raped because a man or group of men decided that their right to have power and sexual control over them was more important than their victim’s human rights and dignity. It is not drunkenness that elicits acts of rape. Attitudes like those expressed in the media last weekend continue to blame the victims and completely ignore the responsibilities of the perpetrators of this crime – who almost always get away with it.

In which other crime do the ‘authorities’ and the community continue to relentlessly scour the victim’s behaviour, character, clothes, friendships, alcohol intake etc. to find reasons why their offenders offend? It’s ludicrous. It’s illogical.

Yes of course being intoxicated makes you an easy target for crimes of this nature. And for that matter many others. That is because men who choose to sexually offend are not doing it as a “crime of passion” – they are selecting their targets consciously and to guarantee the greatest chance of avoiding consequences. That does not mean that it logically follows that if women stopped drinking then the sexual assaults would stop. It is not drunkenness that elicits acts of rape. Otherwise drunken men would be raped as often as drunken women.

By far the greatest “characteristic” you can have that makes you vulnerable to this crime is and has always been being a female, followed closely by being a child, being disabled and being mentally unwell. There are varying and infinitely complex “vulnerabilities “ to all types of crimes. Should women be asked spend all their waking time and energy minimising their vulnerability to rape – given that every time they do modify their behaviour the men who rape just adjust to target some other vulnerability anyway – or should we be focussing on stopping men from committing this crime?

How can confining, controlling, monitoring and blaming the victim of any crime stop the perpetrators from perpetrating? How can the fact that men choose to act violently towards women in staggeringly high numbers continue to be invisible in these discussions and continue to be left off the social agenda?

No amount of constricting women’s behaviour will stop rape….no amount. It is happening in 10 percent of women’s homes for goodness sakes. It happens to every type, race, class, age, religion of women. And let’s not forget that men also rape other men.

A male somewhere can find any type of woman, or their clothes, or their behaviour, or their ‘anything’ attractive….and use this to justify sexually assaulting them. The myth that there is a way to dress, to be, to act and to exist, that makes you safe as a woman from rape is just that…a myth.

We cannot control women as a way of stopping rape. What will stop rape is when men decide that they will not rape anymore. I agree with Nina Funnell when she says: “What about a pact between male buddies which says ‘I will not rape a girl or watch on as you try to rape a girl- and not say anything’?

Why not a pact between blokes which says “If I see you trying to take a girl home who is clearly too drunk to consent, then I will speak up and rescue you BOTH”.

In fact, why isn’t the Police Commissioner saying “Don’t Rape! Just don’t do it. Don’t rape sober women, don’t rape drunk women, don’t rape young women, don’t rape old women. Don’t rape thin women, don’t rape fat women. Just DON’T.”

This is when and only when rape will stop.

Other interesting articles and campagins at that site - one recently was to get Diva to stop selling "playboy" to young girls which has resulted in the removal of said brand from their stores so people power does really work!

[WhiteFeather]

If i were the father of that girl, i would take the law into thine own hands.


http://www.titrari.ro/moviepics/0070895.jpg

The revenger must take the law into his own hands and commit an evil act to get revenge...

Hamlet
by William Shakespeare

When it comes to protecting my family, i guess i'm an evil one.

[161803398]

No one is going to stop human trafficking and rape even though it is central to most corruption in the world because so few people want to address it. I am wondering how much money is involved. My middle eastern friends say a LOT of money and put child and other human trafficking right up there with cocaine.

[Maia Gabrial]

Re: Turkish Outrage: Supreme Court Says 13-Year-Old Girl ‘Consented’ to Rape
If i were the father of that girl, i would take the law into thine own hands.

The question is WHO is responsible for selling this child into this horrible situation in the first place? Mommy or daddy?

[161803398]

The question is WHO is responsible for selling this child into this horrible situation in the first place? Mommy or daddy?

Well, in Thailand, the drug addict dads sell their girls to buy more cocaine or heroin.

[Gaia]

If i were the father of that girl, i would take the law into thine own hands.


http://www.titrari.ro/moviepics/0070895.jpg

The revenger must take the law into his own hands and commit an evil act to get revenge...

Hamlet
by William Shakespeare

When it comes to protecting my family, i guess i'm an evil one.

Nothing is permanent in this wicked world.... There are millions of people in this world, but in the end, it all comes down to one...

Kindest regards

Gaia

[Flash]

Problems in Vancouver started in 1994 but nothing has ever been resolved.

http://coto2.wordpress.com/2011/09/23/dick-cheney-to-speak-at-pedophile-vancouver-club-on-sept-26/

I did not know about this Vancouver Club. Gosh, wonder if something could be done... I am from the Eastern part of the country.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


No one is going to stop human trafficking and rape even though it is central to most corruption in the world because so few people want to address it. I am wondering how much money is involved. My middle eastern friends say a LOT of money and put child and other human trafficking right up there with cocaine.

I read that it brings more money than all the drugs deals worldwide put together.

[161803398]

A lawyer named Jack Cram tried to bring it to public attention in the 90s but he got laughed out of existence. He did become quite upset about it though and made more than a few tactical errors. I couldn't understand why people thought it such a ridiculous idea. A Supreme Court Judge had decided that a 5 year old girl had enticed her molester. Shortly after or around the same time a pedophile group was uncovered in Belgium. But here, nope, couldn't happen (even though starting at some point in the 80s it wasn't safe to turn your back on a baby buggy. My neices were little then and got so paranoid that when I took them to the beach, and they ran down to the water, they spend an inordinate amount of time looking back at me to make sure I was still there, I guess or for comfort {they said they thought someone might grab them}...they were only 6 and 8 at the time). I do find however, that people in Vancouver are different from the rest of the world. Can't quite put my finger on it (probably because its so vast) but I've lived here all my life and I still find them odd and strangely stupid. It could be the air or the water. But its probably the clique.

More recently, of course, there is the pig case.

For some reason, George Bush and Bill Clinton, are coming up here regularly.

[161803398]

Something else strange happened in the 80s and I'll never forget it, although I wouldn't be surprised if I was the only one who noticed it. It was 1985. We used to have this message on the radio about porn and course language. The warning would be stated in a very serious tone "Warning: nudity and course languarge." or something like that. I had been away in Ireland for a few months and when I came back the message had changed. It was exactly the same message but stated in a very seductive tone. I practically jumped out of my seat because I heard that message all my life and now it was so different. After that and I don't know if it was connected but all the usual creeps and weirdos who follow girls around got aggressive. It used to be you could say "boo" and they'd run. Suddenly, it was like they were all on steroids and somebody had said "Go". I actually had to do things like call friends to come and pick me up. I wondered how they could all get the same message at the same time. Was it something on the airwaves or do the perverts have a King who told them its okay now, you can come out.

[meeradas]

For some reason, George Bush and Bill Clinton, are coming up here regularly.

For some reason, this reminds me of Twin Peaks.
[sorry for interrupting a serious topic that way - CNR]
Thus, :focus:

[161803398]

For some reason, this reminds me of Twin Peaks.
[sorry for interrupting a serious topic that way - CNR]
Thus,

HAHA, maybe it is Twin Peaks....or....my mind. Well I live here and that's got to have some effect.

It was like Twin Peaks in reality. Then we had that pig case which might have just been the tip of the iceberg. I don't know.

We have this guy here who listens to messages in reverse speech. Sounds crazy to me but who knows anything anymore.

http://www.hicow.com/robert-pickton/project-mkultra/bonnie-lee-bakley-1021265.html

[Zillah]

Part of the story is missing here: although there is in my heart no excuses for what 25 men have done, as group rape, the 13 years old was with a pimp prostituting prior to the rape, therefore probably the misjudgment from the judge.

The other part of the story is that the people in Turkey are protesting, the people. Do you see, the mentality of the Turks is to protect the young ususally and this is absolutely disgusting in their mind.

As for the acid in the women's face, there is no such tradition in Turkey, in any way. Turcs are originally from a matriarcal culture (some 800 years ago) and it still shows in their behavior towards women. if they flirt, they do it intensively about like all meditarenean do, no more no less. There is also more professionnal women (respected in their work) in Turkeys, which has 74 millions inhabitants, than proportionnally in France, which is deemed very develop and tolerant towards women (which, as far as I am concern, i do not really agree with French being non sexist is laughable).

I have seen more respect for women in Turkey than in most western countries. Certainly more in the work market and in the intellectual spheres. I have seen complete stranger getting their bat from under their soft drink counter in order to defend a screaming women in a parc, this in a 15 millions inhabitant city (Istanbul). This is usually not seen in America.

And to tell you the truth, sometimes we are as stupid with the law in Canada when it comes to rape (very little penalties, even for pedophilia, contrary to US). I am certain that the voice of the Turkish people will prevail against a stupid judgment.

Thank you for this post, I agree with all stated here.

I spent the last 7 months living in Turkey (I am a Canadian/Hungarian) and I was actually amazed at the amount of love and respect men had for their wives, girlfriends and daughters - I remember making several comments about how they could teach our men a thing or two on this side of the world ;);). I lived in Izmir, and traveled to Istanbul, drove all the way through the central/western side, onto Antalya and stayed at 10 different locations on the southern shores - and each place I went to, I was humbled and treated with the utmost respect, even when flirted with I never felt violated or afraid. The worst that happened occurred at a bar I was at in Kusadasi, where this Turkish guy insisted I come back to his hotel room with him - after yelling back and forth in both English/Turkish I knew my message wasn't getting through, so three other Turkish men came over and sat down and asked me if I was ok - they then told the other guy to go away and they stayed with me until my fiancee returned from the washroom. The story continues as we walked outside, where my fiancee (who was a little tipsy) confronted the guy and told him to apologize to me - not only did HE do this, but his friend also did and wouldn't quit for 5 minutes with the sorry's.

This is just my story of actually being all over the country and leaving with complete respect for its citizens - I feel we shouldnt allow one story to pollute the very wonderful energy that is there.

We are also dealing with a country that has a population of 72,752,325 - that is 3x more than all of CANADA combined - so you are going to get quite an influx of convoluted laws, human behavior and belief systems. Yes Islam is the common religion but I find as a secular country, more and more of the younger generation are free of any religious dogma - and are striving for a better country.

[161803398]

The Turkish people are wonderful. In fact, they are the loveliest people I have ever met. But we aren't talking about them. Its the structure that has been visited upon them...their justice system, their PTB, their elite pedophiles. Its the same as ours -- perverted.

The only difference between us and the Turks or us and the people in the rest of the world..is that they have known there is something wrong with our system for a much longer time than we have.
And, of course, they are are lot nicer than we are. We have been living with corruption without realizing it for far too long. We used to be nice people too.

[161803398]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weSzkIB8184

[meeradas]

The first minute of introductory text has already been enough for me; guess i won't make it thru the whole thing as it stirs my anger...
[damn, they even used Twin Peaks score... how "fitting"]