Phobos-Grunt probe loses its way just after Launch....

[Cidersomerset]

Hi All just saw this report.........Another Mars Probe Bites The Dust !!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15631472

Strange ! the Russian/Chinese mission in trouble.....Any thing Suspicious !!

Or just Gremlins.....Coincidental that they are warning against attack on Iran !!!

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2059079/Phobos-Grunt-Mars-probe-Russia-races-save-mission-engine-glitch.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/11/08/article-0-0EB6862800000578-873_468x682.jpg

http://europlanet.dlr.de/node/fileadmin/pictures/hrsc/phobos/2.png


Cheers Steve

[Cidersomerset]

Seems odd that this happens at this time ......The russian rockets are supposed to be reliable now,thats why they retired the shuttles without replacement lift to the space station..Umm!!

http://www.asianscientist.com/topnews/phobos-grunt-yinghuo-1-technical-glitch-2011/

http://www.watchonepiecepoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Phobos-Monolith.jpg

[Agape]

Go jumprooms :becky:

In my best opinion...the whole Space race , so efficiently mimicking race for power on Earth is out of character .
They evolve cutting edge technologies under immense economical pressure, using peoples money to achieve something against another superpower .
Whom it serves ? Sacrificing people and resources never to complete the mission ?

Just to compete ?

If they can't cooperate with each other down on earth, share data and resources selflessly and agree on one mission that would be safe and succesful,
inventing new technologies just to be the first there is useless.

[Ethereal Blue Being]

This is an extremely serious situation over half of the 13 ton payload is fuel and this thing didnt escape orbit!!!!!!!! they have a few days to a couple weeks (expert disagree as to life of batteries) to get the systems on board responding or it will fall to Earth. a NASA spokesperson says that if that happens this will be the biggest toxic object to ever fall to Earth.....

[Agape]

They left International Space Station on orbit without supplies ( not a big deal ) but people out there who , with most probability will be evacuated and years of planned scientific programs screwed .

That's on Earth orbit ...so why not to try flying to Mars instead ..

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[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Agape I agree that makes a lot of sence.....

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Ethereal Blue Being...That would be disasterous......

RT report a bit more positive.....Explains if they do fix the craft what it is designed to do...

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[Cidersomerset]

Although Russia has had a successfull history in space Mars has always alluded them as this report reminds us

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interresting...Steve

[Agape]

This all craziness we are experiencing in our times , it has lots to do with hunt for technologies , trying what is possible , what can be achieved , crossing the limits ..it's all possible but at what cost ?

It's not intelligent, it's not even economical and it's not safe .

If they care for people instead, make people happy, educated, invest to healing of human potential the next generation or two will be able to achieve more ,
come with more comprehensive and advanced solutions .

They do this exactly because they think 'we are alone , no one watches' . So we can afford to let people dying in famines in Africa, we can allow they muder each other in wars, we don't care .


We produce billions of gadgets that never get to people who could make use of them .
Just like the computer & internet market . Just like food and clothing, just like anything else in this world .


Millions of computers are produced to be used for 3 or 4 years and discarded for necessarilly, technologies evolve fast as we talk ,
see the big waste yard with electronics ?

And how much it all originally costed , new in stores ?



It's ethics versus technical progress as I see it , having to find way together . It could make them think ..



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[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Agape everything you say is true.....Life as we know it on this planet is full of contradictions.....

We could feed, clothe, house everyone on the planet.....Its power and greed that seems to drive the elites....

We know we are economic slaves and dumb down by mass hypnosis thru TV & advertisements...

The economic collapse we are experiencing to scare us and tax and cut growth is all part of the economic cycles
that have been used for the past 200 years to create growth, then manufature a slump so that the wealth
stays in relatively few hands and then they buy up assets at a reduced price and the cycle starts again...
All this debt is interrest ,on interrest in the end owed to who ? The 'Banksters' who created it out of nothing in the
first place.... Great Conn!!!

The other annoying thing we know the alternate space fleet and Jump room tech is definately real according to
Bill and others . So all this, is a soap opera, to keep the 'Sheeple' penned in. but we are wakeing up....


http://astutereflections.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/sheep-dog-trials-im-telling-you-the-man-and-the-do1.jpg

[Ethereal Blue Being]

Agape. ( post #9). I agree with you completely.. So many people must have the latest gadgets and technology and they dont even donate or give away the old one, often they just put them on a shelf or throw smaller ones in the trash. our family doesnt do that our vehicles are 8 and 12 yrs old my cell phone is 3 1/2 yrs old, our MAC computer is 4 yrs old. ...I still have alot of clothes almost as old as my daughter and shes 21..There is so much suffering in the world and I truely dont understand how people can know their neighbors a few miles away in their own town/city or people half way around the world are suffering and not help more.. I dont get why $600 high heels, $3000 business suits and $ 50,000 worth of granite counter tops in ones kitchen is seen as a necessity to so many. I am astounded at the number of young women/men my daughter knows that cant cook, iron, laundry or check fluid levels in their vehicle. let alone do basic yardwork.your right we must help heal, educate and share our technology with the less fortunate of the world..BUT IN RESPONSE TO THE PHOBOS- GRUNT PROBE ON A RACE TO MARS AND PHOBOS..IT WOULD SEEM EVERY WORLD POWER IS IN A RACE TO PHOBOS.. HOAGLAND AND OTHERS ARE PROBABLY RIGHT ABOUT WHAT MAY BE "INSIDE" ALSO HOW CONVENIENT THAT THIS PROBE DURING A LAUNCH, MALFUNCTIONED AND IS IN ORBIT FOR QUITE A WHILe DURING OUR EMERGENCY TESTS AND YU55 FLYBY. i wonder what the cameras and censors on board have recorded this week?

[13th Warrior]

Look here for a slightly different bend on the situation:

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[Agape]

Agape. ( post #9). I agree with you completely.. So many people must have the latest gadgets and technology and they dont even donate or give away the old one, often they just put them on a shelf or throw smaller ones in the trash. our family doesnt do that our vehicles are 8 and 12 yrs old my cell phone is 3 1/2 yrs old, our MAC computer is 4 yrs old. ...I still have alot of clothes almost as old as my daughter and shes 21..There is so much suffering in the world and I truely dont understand how people can know their neighbors a few miles away in their own town/city or people half way around the world are suffering and not help more.. I dont get why $600 high heels, $3000 business suits and $ 50,000 worth of granite counter tops in ones kitchen is seen as a necessity to so many. I am astounded at the number of young women/men my daughter knows that cant cook, iron, laundry or check fluid levels in their vehicle. let alone do basic yardwork.your right we must help heal, educate and share our technology with the less fortunate of the world..BUT IN RESPONSE TO THE PHOBOS- GRUNT PROBE ON A RACE TO MARS AND PHOBOS..IT WOULD SEEM EVERY WORLD POWER IS IN A RACE TO PHOBOS.. HOAGLAND AND OTHERS ARE PROBABLY RIGHT ABOUT WHAT MAY BE "INSIDE" ALSO HOW CONVENIENT THAT THIS PROBE DURING A LAUNCH, MALFUNCTIONED AND IS IN ORBIT FOR QUITE A WHILe DURING OUR EMERGENCY TESTS AND YU55 FLYBY. i wonder what the cameras and censors on board have recorded this week?



Thanks EBB, can you see also how this is very under-solved ?

I am just amazed, have been so last couple of years ...and guess whole generation of people with me ..at the speed things seem to rush forwards on one hand ..and the horrible mess, pollution, consumption culture it causes ..

it has to have a halt somewhere ..


People need to evolve spiritually I suggest and match their technical abilities to their needs ..


people now sell their time and freedom for something so vane ..


There's lots of vanity and pomp at places ...and poverty and suffering elsewhere.


They do not have correct solutions, sorry.




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[Agape]

Thanks Agape everything you say is true.....Life as we know it on this planet is full of contradictions.....

We could feed, clothe, house everyone on the planet.....Its power and greed that seems to drive the elites....

We know we are economic slaves and dumb down by mass hypnosis thru TV & advertisements...

The economic collapse we are experiencing to scare us and tax and cut growth is all part of the economic cycles
that have been used for the past 200 years to create growth, then manufature a slump so that the wealth
stays in relatively few hands and then they buy up assets at a reduced price and the cycle starts again...
All this debt is interrest ,on interrest in the end owed to who ? The 'Banksters' who created it out of nothing in the
first place.... Great Conn!!!

The other annoying thing we know the alternate space fleet and Jump room tech is definately real according to
Bill and others . So all this, is a soap opera, to keep the 'Sheeple' penned in. but we are wakeing up....


http://astutereflections.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/sheep-dog-trials-im-telling-you-the-man-and-the-do1.jpg




It's simple ( of course it's not :)) , reduce the fear factor . Many people , especially older generation lived most of their life in the fear of the system,
governments, kings and queens, gods and arcibishops .

Become responsible for your own mind, for your own salvation so to say . Feel free , don't create fear and don't let them threaten you ..

There's no 'them' more powerful than you are unless you have given them your faith.

'They' are all beings, people , like you and I, with few exceptions..


Mankind is like one huge brain , we are all connected ..if your Light shines many will shine in synchronicity..

[Cidersomerset]

A musical interlude but quite topical if this trip to Phobos & Mars ends up mixed up in a prelude to war in Iran,,,,,

Any Illumanati omens ??

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[Cidersomerset]

On last nights coast Richard Hoagland was briefly talking about the probe, he commented on speculation that the CIA may have interfered with it and

thats why Russia are suddenly postulating about starting to deploy missiles .....It does seem very coincidental that this has gone pair shape and that

NASA are launching their largest rover to go to mars in a few days.....

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[Cidersomerset]

RT News line, November 24
20:29 permalink
Russian scientists receive and decode information from Phobos-Grunt

­Russia`s space agency successfully established connection with the Phobos-Grunt probe and decoded received data, RIA Novosti reports, citing a source. “According to the information I have our experts were able to decode telemetry,” he said adding that the quality of the signal was better than the one obtained earlier by a European Space Agency station in Australia. Data received by Russian specialists provided some information about the current condition of the probe. It was the first time Russian space agency established the connection with the probe since it was stranded in orbit two weeks ago. The Phobos-Grunt probe was launched on November 9 bound for one of Mars`s moons to investigate the soil.

DID CLIMATE WEAPON KNOCK OUT PROBE.......

http://rt.com/news/phobos-grunt-climate-weapon-129/