Is There a City on Pluto? We've Never Looked. Two Scientists Want to Change That

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi, All -- this [serious] TIME article is a real gas. Highly recommended.

Is There a City on Pluto? Before You Answer, Consider: We've Never Looked. Two Scientists Want to Change That





http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2011/1111/pluto_1107.jpg
A Hubble Space Telescope photo of Pluto

Before Ed Turner and Avi Loeb tell you about their research, they want to make one thing perfectly clear: they do not claim there's a city on Pluto. But if there were, they say, we could see it. And, as they suggest in a paper they've submitted to the journal Astrobiology, it's worth taking a look, just in case.

The whole thing began a couple of years ago when Loeb and Turner, astrophysicists at Harvard and Princeton, respectively, were at a conference in Abu Dhabi. The organizers sent them on a tour of nearby Dubai, where the guide bragged that his gleaming, ultramodern city was so brightly lit at night that from space it would outshine London, Paris or New York.

That got the pair thinking: how far away could you see a major city on another world using only existing telescopes?

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2098834,00.html?hpt=hp_c2

[syrwong]

Will the scientists have the funding to search for civilization in our solar system? We know that the Solar System is teeming with life, but does the PTB want us to know that?

[Limor Wolf]

Interesting hypothesis. "if we never search, the chance of success is zero" - say the researchers,and they are right .But what if our scientific assessments are basicly not accurate?

What if Alien life out there does not use the same source for light as we do,will it not change the data for far visability? What if some Alien life does not require water (liquid) for its existance,how about not being able to see other dimensions that are as real as we are but not in our visual range? What if they use the sun's reflection together with crystals or other material, or maybe they have their own unique energy to create light,maybe even through their bodies (everything's possible..)

But well done to those sicentists approach - 'If we dont try,than How do we know?',definitely an 'out of the box' attitude instead of the regular - 'if we can't find it or see it,it does not exist'.There's hope

[noprophet]

One obvious question Loeb and Turner's idea raises is that since we always see the Sun-facing, daylight side of Kuiper Belt objects, why would aliens have the lights on? The answer: the Sun is so faint at the edges of the Solar System that any beings that evolved closer-in would feel the need to supplement natural light by a lot, even at high noon. And the aliens would have to have evolved closer in because the emergence of life, as far as we know, requires liquid water. Once they had emerged and evolved, a gravitational encounter with a larger planet would have shotgunned them out to the fringes.


This I found very interesting.

[Cidersomerset]

No Harm in looking...

https://static.referralkey.com/brief_files/1308160011711037_PlutoCity-sm.jpg

[Limor Wolf]

I just found another version by two other scientists. In response to the petition about aliens,submitted to them, the white house has published a statement saying there is no such existing evidence.

"Jacob Haqq-Misra, of Rock Ethics Institute, and Ravi Kumar Kopparapu, of the Earth and Environmental Systems Institute, say alien spacecraft or probes the size of a racing yacht could be floating around our solar system, and we're blissfully unaware.

http://hoga.pl/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/voyager-300x190.jpg

They write: 'The vastness of space, combined with our limited searches to date, implies that any remote unpiloted exploratory probes of extraterrestrial origin would likely remain unnoticed.

'Extraterrestrial artifacts may exist in the solar system without our knowledge, simply because we have not yet searched sufficiently. Few if any of the attempts would be capable of detecting a one- to ten-metre probe."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2059409/Aliens-solar-just-looking-hard-them.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

[TOTHE]

The new moon found around Pluto this week is P4.

Article from The New Horizons Mission to Pluto web site.
http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/overview/piPerspective.php

http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/overview/piPerspectives/images/11_07_2011_01.jpg

[Cidersomerset]

I'm in a musical mode and as Pluto is the 'Bringer of Change' maybe there is something just over the horizon...

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[vibrations]

Another circumstance which could be included in all previous comments is the "presumption" that advanced civilizations in other planets or their moons of our solar system would construct their cities inside the planet in a huge caves of the natural or artificial origin where for example they would project the image of the sky on a ceiling of the cave and use the solar energy (from our science yet undiscovered part of solar radiation ) to establish some kind of natural environment look of the landscape. Could any of this be truth?

[Bill Ryan]

Will the scientists have the funding to search for civilization in our solar system? We know that the Solar System is teeming with life, but does the PTB want us to know that?

The article (which is fun to read) explained that the identification of a "city on Pluto" would be if it was Tokyo-sized and fully lit up. The Mars base is unlikely to meet those criteria! :)

[GlassSteagallfan]

Another circumstance which could be included in all previous comments is the "presumption" that advanced civilizations in other planets or their moons of our solar system would construct their cities inside the planet in a huge caves of the natural or artificial origin where for example they would project the image of the sky on a ceiling of the cave and use the solar energy (from our science yet undiscovered part of solar radiation ) to establish some kind of natural environment look of the landscape. Could any of this be truth?

Yes. Underground habitats would be the predominate way to expand throughout the galaxy. Besides all the resources you would excavate, you would be naturally sheilded from solar radiation, CME's, etc.

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

QUOTE=Bill Ryan
http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2011/1111/pluto_1107.jpg

Hey Bill, I think naza withheld that image for over ten years if I can remember correctly!
Go figure.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread540922/pg1
http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2010/02/04/nasa-pluto-is-not-simply-a-ball-of-ice-and-rock/?hpt=C2

The space agency says the photos, which were taken in the early 2000s by the Hubble Space Telescope, are the "most detailed and dramatic images ever taken of the distant dwarf planet."
yep - so whats the go with that eh!?
:p

[Cidersomerset]

I wondered what Pluto compaired to size wise this is a good comparison

http://www.boskowan.com/www/jirka/vesmir/planets/pluto/pluto%20size.jpg



http://spaceshipearth1.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/pluto-5.jpg



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