Who is a shaman and what does a shaman do/ not do

[jorr lundstrom]

Thirty years ago I was told about this by a schaman. He said: A schaman is one who

has

learned schamanic skills first hand from a schaman. And a man/ woman with schamanic

skills are not a schaman until he/ she is appointed the role of a schaman of a tribe.

Before that he/she is just a human with schamanic skills.

A schaman works for the survival and the well being of his/ her tribe using his/her skills

and inventing and digging up new during his/ her lifetime.

A schaman doesnt boast about being a schaman anywhere or in any circumstansies,

and this includes the internet.

So if anyone claims to be a schaman, please use your discernment wisely or you

may believe a pied piper works for the benefit of you.


Picture taken 1908 in the Altai region in Russia picturing a female schaman at work

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/Altay_shaman_with_gong.jpg

[Lord Sidious]

Good ol Jorr, putting the foxes in with the chickens to see if the chickens can fly!
Love ya bro!
Seriously people, Jorr and Maria are good people.
Yet more people I met through this forum.

[modwiz]

This is an interesting post/thread. Having just concluded a six month stay at a holistic community for a second time I am now very convinced of the importance of a tribe/community that one feels a responsibility to. I was the number one bodyworker at the wellness center this year. That means I worked on the most people. Every appointment was a paid one. Although the members of the tribe, (we are Omegans) who work at the wellness center and stay on property pay room and board while we get paid for each massage/treatment we do, the bulk of the tribe gets room and board in exchange for a 40 hour work week and a stipend of about 75 dollars a week. Needless to say we all have unlimited use of a lake and the kayaks and canoes there, all for free. The lifestyle there is wonderful.

That said, many of my tribe members cannot afford to see me. Many of them work in the garden, kitchen,maintenance, housekeeping and cleaning and get their bodies into needy situations. So, I have made arrangements with the manager of the Art Hut, where he has a massage table and chair for next season. I will give an hour or so of my time, after hours when people are off work, two days a week to work on my fellow tribe members free of charge. My work will be based on what they need and not just some frivolous rub a dub. Unless that is exactly what they need to make their body/mind/spirit better.

This has been a missing part of my Dharmic walk. Making sure that those who need me can see me, no barriers allowed. It is all a matter of balance and it is for me to see to that balance, but I know my Spirit will be rewarded immensely by this arrangement and an even greater purpose to my profession will be realized.

[Lord Sidious]

This is an interesting post/thread. Having just concluded a six month stay at a holistic community for a second time I am now very convinced of the importance of a tribe/community that one feels a responsibility to. I was the number one bodyworker at the wellness center this year. That means I worked on the most people. Every appointment was a paid one. Although the members of the tribe, (we are Omegans) who work at the wellness center and stay on property pay room and board while we get paid for each massage/treatment we do, the bulk of the tribe gets room and board in exchange for a 40 hour work week and a stipend of about 75 dollars a week. Needless to say we all have unlimited use of a lake and the kayaks and canoes there, all for free. The lifestyle there is wonderful.

That said, many of my tribe members cannot afford to see me. Many of them work in the garden, kitchen, housekeeping and cleaning and get their bodies into needy situations. So, I have made arrangements the manager of the Art Hut, where he has a massage table and chair for next season. I will give an hour or so of my time, after hours when people are off work, two days a week to work on my fellow tribe members free of charge. My work will be based on what they need and not just some frivolous rub a dub. Unless that is exactly what they need to make their body/mind/spirit better.

This has been a missing part of my Dharmic walk. Making sure that those who need me can see me, no barriers allowed. It is all a matter of balance and it is for me to see to that balance, but I know my Spirit will be rewarded immensely by this arrangement and an even greater purpose to my profession will be realized.

And here is another one.
One of the best people you will ever meet and one of my first skype contacts from avalon.
I consider myself lucky to have found this forum.
Not just for the info, but mainly for meeting people here that I value so highly.

[Muzz]

This is an interesting post/thread. Having just concluded a six month stay at a holistic community for a second time I am now very convinced of the importance of a tribe/community that one feels a responsibility to.

After recently reading Thom Hartmann's The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight I realised how important tribal society is for our health and the planets. I see Avalon as a tribe of sorts. One I am very happy to be part of. I am humbled by the amazing people on this forum and how much I have learnt from them. Thankyou all for this thread.

[jorr lundstrom]

I vision the tribe as the only possibility for the future of humanity, if we are to survive

in symbiosis with nature and the planet itself, ie Gaia/ Sophia. Small collections of people

with different skills who work together for the best of their tribe, keeping contact

with other tribes. Sharing their surplus of food, material things and their knowings and

skills for free. Money or trade is totally unnecessary.

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/PeregrineFalconoldlady.jpg

[Gardener]

Jor: I had understood something similar myself, and that a new tribal shaman becomes obvious to all the tribe by the circumstances surrounding his'her life, often having serious illness or other trials and tribulations. I think the siberian shamen are some of the oldest in the world but idk for certain on that.

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[jorr lundstrom]

Jor: I had understood something similar myself, and that a new tribal shaman becomes obvious to all the tribe by the circumstances surrounding his'her life, often having serious illness or other trials and tribulations. I think the siberian shamen are some of the oldest in the world but idk for certain on that.

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Yes, it seems reasonable to use one who has conquered great difficulties in his/ her own life.

The tribe has no use for someone, at least not as schaman, who has slided through life without

meeting any difficulties or someone who has not learnt to handle his/ her own life. LOL

We know that we had schamans among the tribes that hunted along the ice edge during the first

ice age 35 000 years ago, and probably all other tribes had schamans around the world.

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[mosquito]

Thanks Jorr, I totally agree with you !
I've avoided the other thread, mainly because I've no wish to jump on someone else's neck, but the points you make are all true. Additionally I'd say that anyone with a white skin who says "I'm a shaman" isn't, and has absolutely no idea of the trials involved. I've done shamanic type training myself and have various healing skills, but that doesn't make me a shaman, and to call myself one would be arrogant and a little stupid, not to mention insulting to those who are true shamans
You don't choose to become a shaman, in tribal societies a shaman is chosen, and in the Kogi tribe of Colombia (one of the few truly spiritual tribes left on the Earth, beautiful people) the shaman is chosen before they're even born !!!!

[9eagle9]

Why do you suppose they do that Jorr?


Thirty years ago I was told about this by a schaman. He said: A schaman is one who

has

learned schamanic skills first hand from a schaman. And a man/ woman with schamanic

skills are not a schaman until he/ she is appointed the role of a schaman of a tribe.

Before that he/she is just a human with schamanic skills.

A schaman works for the survival and the well being of his/ her tribe using his/her skills

and inventing and digging up new during his/ her lifetime.

A schaman doesnt boast about being a schaman anywhere or in any circumstansies,

and this includes the internet.

So if anyone claims to be a schaman, please use your discernment wisely or you

may believe a pied piper works for the benefit of you.


Picture taken 1908 in the Altai region in Russia picturing a female schaman at work

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/Altay_shaman_with_gong.jpg

[jorr lundstrom]

Why do you suppose they do that Jorr?


Thirty years ago I was told about this by a schaman. He said: A schaman is one who

has

learned schamanic skills first hand from a schaman. And a man/ woman with schamanic

skills are not a schaman until he/ she is appointed the role of a schaman of a tribe.

Before that he/she is just a human with schamanic skills.

A schaman works for the survival and the well being of his/ her tribe using his/her skills

and inventing and digging up new during his/ her lifetime.

A schaman doesnt boast about being a schaman anywhere or in any circumstansies,

and this includes the internet.

So if anyone claims to be a schaman, please use your discernment wisely or you

may believe a pied piper works for the benefit of you.


Picture taken 1908 in the Altai region in Russia picturing a female schaman at work

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/Altay_shaman_with_gong.jpg

9Eagle9, do what? ie I dont understand your question. LOL

[9eagle9]

Lol I'm sorry.

I meant why do you supposethat these ' shamans 'need to establish right off the bat that they are shamans?

[jorr lundstrom]

I dunno, really, but I see it on forums and websites all over. And in Sweden neo-schamans

and urban-schamans as they often call themselves having workshops, with very little if any

skills in schamanic technics and lacking schamanic views of the world. Applying schamanism

on the context and content of the Old World Order seems to me rather pathetic.

But it seems they are deluded enough to really believe they are schamans. LOL

I suppose they gotta believe themselves to be something, so why not schamans. LOL

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