Coast 2 Coast AM 10/11/11 Andy Basiago, Brett Stilling, Laura Eisenhower & Ed Dames

[Cidersomerset]

This is the interview on coast the other night with Andy,Brett, Laura & Ed Dames...

Deffinately worth a listen, Andy goes into the interview as confident as ever that his story is true later,Ed Dames rings into the show and refutes Andy's & Bretts claims that he taught them at a Mars seminar......This interview could be make or break for the Story, for clearly either they are either lying or mind controlled or somewhere inbetween either way fascinating listening.....


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The responce below is a commentary of the above vids as I listened to them before they were posted.....

I'm listening to the interview now . Its fascinating both Andy and Brett Stilling are talking to George , They are both naming Ed Dames as a major
person they were involved with in the programme . George is pressing them as Ed Dames has been on coast for years and not mentioned it. Andrew said Ed was a adult
on the programme so was bound by his secrecy oath. Andrew & Brett were children so not bound ??.....Anyway they are going into great detail, and Andrew said he
will be running for President in 2016 !! Now as we know Andy has 5 degrees and is a lawyer....

Bill & Kerry think Andrew has false memmories and is being set up to muddy the waters of the alternate community....Kerry said on a interview recently that she
interviewed Andrew for Jesse Venturas Truth TV I think ? she said they are still waiting for it to be released for airing....

More importantly if any of this is true or not it is worth keeping upto date with because if it is a elaborate psyops we are better off seeing how its being done!!
If there is any truth to the story it will come to a head soon imho as all the people they are naming the press will call him out on sooner or later I
would have thought. Laura Eisenhower is on now.... It does all sound to good to be true , but the psyops if that what it is , is interresting in itselfe...Steve

Ed Dames has just rang in and said he was in West Germany when Andrew said he was teaching him , and if it happenned it must have been 'transpersonnel factors' !! he has just said the montauk chair did not exist and project pegusus did not exist ( Still listening)

Ed says its all BS and fantasy Andy sticks by his guns but looks like the first person he has named has totally denied it ......Ed has left and told Andy not to E mail him...its sounds odd
Andy is carrying on with calls a bit sereal.....He says when he runs for President in 2016 he will be looking for a Democrat ticket in the Washington state area....Brainwashing has come up ,As I said this is going to be a wierd few months in Andys already eccentric life, should be fun or eyes closed & cringe stuff...Steve

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Kersley i put this up a couple of days ago nobody was interested then......Steve

[Zillah]

This blew my mind actually, what an odd show. Ed could have conducted himself better IMO, altho he was being accused for some pretty wild things. Unsure what to make of this, so many realities to consider...

[aranuk]

The comment Ed made about an emphatic denial that Pegasus did not exist was countered by Andy saying, "How can anyone say that a secret project does not exist when everything is compartmentalised. That seems to me to sound more truthful than Ed saying it wasn't.
Anyway I will stick my neck out and say that I am enclined to believe Andrew rather than ED

Stan

[Cidersomerset]

I've been listening to Andy since he first came on the scene a few years ago with his picture of the huminoid on mars, and Since then his two pronged story as a child participant as a chrononaught time traveller....Then his involvement in jump rooms to Mars has been getting wilder and wilder, I put another thread about that up the other day,....Bills Comments which were worth reading were on the lines that there maybe some truth to the first part...But the Mars part maybe mindcontrol/false memmories Who knows. But it is still facinating to see how it unfolds to see whether there is any truth to it or it is some sort of elaborate plant to muddy the waters of disclosure even further .....Though I think Andy deffinately believes what he is saying. So as I said on my other thread don't be to hard on him yet as he may be a victim of a elaborate psyops...... Or just a wild dreamer !!!

I put several of these photos up on the other thread, It looks like a female humoniod or statue to me ...Its supposed to come from a NASA photo .
Or has it been proven a fake does anyone know ??

The panoramic view is open desert , so if this is some sort of rock outcrop why is it the only one in the entire picture ??

http://www.animachina.com/images/Mars_Statue2.jpg

http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2008/134/1-134-statue-wide-1x.jpg

[aranuk]

This blew my mind actually, what an odd show. Ed could have conducted himself better IMO, altho he was being accused for some pretty wild things. Unsure what to make of this, so many realities to consider...

Andrew didn't accuse Ed of anything. He said that Ed was an instructor. He IS by his own admittance in training persons in RV. in the past.

Andrew also was speaking very fluently and not in any way nervous. On the other hand Ed was upset and was mumbling as if he was telling a lie.
My take sorry.

Stan

[Cidersomerset]

What Bill did say is he and Kerry fully back the info discussed on this little jem of a discussion. A lot of information was exchanged here about Mars etc...

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.....Steve

[crosby]

Cidersomerset, this was an excellent show. i'm inclined to believe Andrew. his story rings true too me, and i thought that ed dames' behavior a little on the callus side. however, it is possible that he just doesn't remember. if his memory has been toyed with, where he believes he was may be the front. thats what false memories are put in place for. thanks for the great thread.
regards, corson

[Cidersomerset]

I know Corson the trouble is we are getting to the stage , with alternate timelines, parrallel worlds, time travel, MK ultra mind controll etc,,,,,,,,,,

WHAT THE HELL IS REAL !!....LOL..!!!! ....

Especially with my sighting on saturday morning!!......Steve

[larphill]

Hi everyone! Brand new user here, and I'm glad to be a part of this elite group :p

I'm new to Coast to Coast AM as well, what a show. I always find myself entertained, and always find myself questioning reality as I know it (or knew it). This was one of the most outrageous shows I've heard as of yet. My jaw dropped when George said he had Ed on the line. I'm not sure where to stand on this. One of Andrew's co-guests (a male) sounded a bit nervous and stumbled around a bit in his responses. I thought this was one factor against their claims, but it just as easily could have been nerves due to not being used to public speaking. Or maybe he was nervous about repercussions of what he was divulging?


The comment Ed made about an emphatic denial that Pegasus did not exist was countered by Andy saying, "How can anyone say that a secret project does not exist when everything is compartmentalised. That seems to me to sound more truthful than Ed saying it wasn't.
Anyway I will stick my neck out and say that I am enclined to believe Andrew rather than ED

Stan

It's quite a feat to be able to say with confidence that any such program doesn't exist. In this case Ed's certainty is clearly a product of ignorance or admission to knowledge of Project Pegasus. He did seem quite adamant about his stance and that's a typical government response to something that "never happened."

I personally had an (non-paranormal) experience in the US Navy which was quite traumatic to be a part of, and I was told over and over again that that's not the way it happened and that I was making things up. It's not even something I witnessed, it was something I was a part of... it's kind of hard to convince me it didn't happen. My chief, my executive officer and the commanding officer of my boat all denied the event. They even had me talk to a psychologist, who TOLD me what happened. None of these people where present, but I guess they know better, eh? Well, my point is Ed sounded just like they did - so something was up, may not have been a teleport to Mars, but something definitely happened.

[Zillah]

This blew my mind actually, what an odd show. Ed could have conducted himself better IMO, altho he was being accused for some pretty wild things. Unsure what to make of this, so many realities to consider...

Andrew didn't accuse Ed of anything. He said that Ed was an instructor. He IS by his own admittance in training persons in RV. in the past.

Andrew also was speaking very fluently and not in any way nervous. On the other hand Ed was upset and was mumbling as if he was telling a lie.
My take sorry.

Stan

From Ed's perspective he was being "accused" - from Andrew's - he was stating the truth - all up in the air to me, pick a better word then :)

[Bill Ryan]

Hi everyone! Brand new user here, and I'm glad to be a part of this elite group :p

Welcome! :)


I personally had an (non-paranormal) experience in the US Navy which was quite traumatic to be a part of

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may not have been a teleport to Mars, but something definitely happened.

Do say more...!

[larphill]

Thank you!

I wish it were more interesting; I was on the receiving end of some pretty brutal hazing. Of course the higher-ups were quick to dismiss it, regardless of the classes we took telling us to report hazing and the like. Oh well, either way it's over now and it provided me with a bit more insight as to how absurd these people and cover-ups can be.

[KosmicKat]

WHAT THE HELL IS REAL !!

Ebenezer and Jacob were certainly on the right track:


"Why do you doubt your senses?"

"Because," said Scrooge, "a little thing affects them. A slight disorder of the stomach makes them cheats. You may be an undigested bit of beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of an underdone potato. "

[Cidersomerset]

Welcome Larphill Welcome I was not sure what you mean't by hazing ? Its a new phrase for me but makes sence in this context ...... Though it is an old expression ,
another new term learned...Cheers Steve

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazing

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Cosmic cat I was thinking more on the lines of Bob Nevrit & Ion who I've been listening to every weds for over a year .Ion a representative of non=physical has been
doing Q & A answering sessions about reality for the two years he appeared on the scene,,,,The information he has been discussing is vast and extrodinary and if he is right
part of it is we are all individual gods and are on the verge of re-accending back to where we were!!!! Its complex but simple and he explains what reality is and that we have
not got a clue about physics and theres no time and loads more....Anyway like everything else it was going fine untill 9 months ago they started plugging RNA drops
which are expensive , but seem to be a one all, cure all, to assension, which cannot be right !! and Bob charges for private readings with Ion . This sounds like a snake oil salesman combined
with a 'mystic meg' reading scam. Both of which I have not done... Yet they are addictive to listen to and are fun , but also adds to the confusing chatter of accension/disclosure
or whatever....I am by nature a fun loving outgoing person thats why I like to bring humour when poss to preceedings but its heavy going at the moment ...Steve

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Bill nice to see you paid a visit as you can see I'm going thru a questioning period, and some of my favourite disclosure witness's are coming into question which
is ok as I have said many times there is so much contradicting chatter going on and different accounts of whats happening there are bound to be hic ups
along the road. Andrew is a enigma to me , so is Bob Nevritt who is 89yrs and has a very colourfull background with the elites and inteligence services.

Which you would thought would alert anyones BS meter. Yet theres something about them ? David Icke has just done a real hatchet job on Jesse Ventura
calling him the 'pet detective ' Which is a blow as I like both of them, if you have not read it be warned. I expect you have experianced this a lot so all
we can do in the immortal words of Bruce Forsyth is..............'Keeeep Seeeeking'

P.S.Unless you have watched Strictly come dancing you won't get that last reference...LOL..Steve

[HaveBlue]

Bassagio is a lawyer. They always tell the truth don't they? I just happen to have some land for sale on Mars right now at bargain prices just for you.
Be quick to ensure dissapointment.

[KosmicKat]

My question re: A.Basiago is, the man is a qualified professional. Why risk his status as a professional to build an audience in the "alternative" media field? Does talking to the tinfoil hats really pay better than representation at law?

[Cidersomerset]

There is no doubt Andrew is a highly intelligent man. He has 5 degrees a high IQ and is a practicing lawyer..This does not atomatically mean we
can believe what he says....I'm pretty sure he is genuine you do not do the amount of time on radio shows and seminars at his own expence unless
you are dedicatedand believe in what you have experianced and talking about....

Against that he could be a disinfo agent working for the inteligence services just to muddy the waters ?? Again I have heard many if not all his radio
interviews and they are all very consistent gradually adding bits as he pieces more of his experiances together . I don't think he is knowingly working for anyone...

The other option is he mind controlled somehow and is being drip fed info which is leading him to follow this course ??

Which ever one it is its fascinating to watch !! and I still want to know what you think of the original Nasa hominoid photos...LOL..Steve

[Elixer]

I like Andrew Basiago. His stories are so far out that they are truely unbelievable.
When you listen to him speak though, all these ultra-hi-tech terms that initially sounds ridiculous, will start to sound - quite normal.
He is a very skilled speaker, though sometimes his story does sound a little scripted. I often hear the same details coming from him.
His insistence on accuracy, though admirable, does get a little tedious.
All his detail might not prove anthing beyond internal consistency.

There was this article about how to spot a psychopath from their speech patterns. Based on that, Andy might be a candidate.
He talks about himself all the time, speaks as if things naturally or logically follow from the other, offers a sick amount of details without being prompted, as if perhaps to pre-empt any gotcha questions.
So I'm not sure I believe him, but he does make it sound believable and the perspective he offers certainly explains a thing or two about our reality and is a mighty fascinating one. At the very least, tue or not it's a good one to have in your arsenal.

The Ed Dames call-in was strange. He does sound like he is having some problems with life. Major Doom.
George Noory acting all surprised at the call in must have been hypocritical. I think they planned that little ambush. Maybe not.
From the tone of Ed's response and the way Andrew responded to him, I don't think we can tell anything.
As has been pointed out, Andrew is a lawyer, a professional speaker, used to getting ambushed. Ed Dames' response would be the same whether he or Andrew is lying.
It's a little strange for Ed Dames to call Andy on his fantasies and such, especially considering that Ed is involved with RV which to 'normal' people would also be nothing but fantasy.

The same can be said about Richard Hoagland. Sure he seems to have missed the boat on both Elenin and YU55, but when you hear him speak about these things, it really does sound like he believes it himself and is very frustrated with the fact that his credibility now seems to be shot.
Of course he could be a very good actor, selling product (anyone see the movie 'The Joneses'?), but to me that is less plausible than that he actually believes what he is saying.
So, no way to tell either way without more evidence. This goes for Basiago, Dames, Hoagland and undoubtedly many more.


I like this image that Andrew has focused on quite a bit, PIA10214. If you download the ~130MB version from NASA and just open it with the windows picture viewer, you can zoom in very far and almost anywhere you zoom, there are anomalies to be found.
Andrew takes this a step further, seeing semi-cloaked beings and such. I don't always see those. But even looking at some of the rocks at face value in this image, you can see soo many weird things like ornamented stones, cylindrical objects, shiny spheres, 90 degree angles, skull type objects, buried knights, you name it. At least 20 anomalies. Hours of fun with the zoom function. Try it.
There are videos on the youtubes featuring some of this (just search for the image name).

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Elixer you summed it up well ....Steve

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I'm afraid I just cannot believe Basiago. First of all his claims of Martian 'anomalies' - aka rocks. The human mind is very good arranging random patterns to make them look like something we recognise, especially a face. It's called Pareidolia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia).

Here's a demonstration, and image I made for an article about this on my blog:

http://truthquest2012.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/anomalies_strange.jpg

What do you see in the image in the top left, the effigy of a crying face, carved onto the right-hand side of the rock? Top right, another curious ‘Martian skull’ artefact? You can after all see what appears to be two distinct eye-socket areas.

The creature in the bottom left seems to resemble a number of other anomalies found in the Mars images. You can clearly make out its half-open mouth, and on the side the head, illuminated by the sun, its eye. Could this be another strange creature like a Turtle perhaps?

Middle bottom appears to be an actual living creature, like some weird ferret foraging among the rocks. Bottom right we have another Martian 'frog'.

But it's all a trick. And if you were to think it might be more evidence of Martian life I must correct you. See this image (http://truthquest2012.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/maui_volcano_road_desert_anomalies.jpg), for one. They’re all of the Haleakala volcano in Hawaii.

That rock formations in Hawaii (or any terrestrial desert scene) can beguile just as the rocks on Mars can, clinches it for me. These Hawaii anomalies appear to be skulls, ferrets and frogs, and the head of a convincing Crying Face statue. But the volcanoes of Hawaii are not home to such objects. It’s illusion. In the same vein Mars is not home to plesiosaurs, frogs, skulls, and even elephants and giraffes which also have be ‘spotted’ in these images. Just rocks. Just Pareidolia.

It proves, to me anyway, that the Mars anomalies which Basiago claims are animals/artefacts, are certainly false. Unusual evidence does not equal an unusual fact.

In the same vain I believe the Basiago tale of teleportation and time-travel also to be fiction, intentional or otherwise. He does seem to sound genuine, but the most likely explanation (due to lack of solid or at least substantial evidence) is psyops / disinformation, possibly by way of false memory implants or brainwashing. Why? To create a new and ugly cloud of Disinformation in order to spread confusion and to trigger a (distracting) debate amongst the alternative community.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Star Mariner I agree Andrews perception and eyesight is unique ....But how about the Nasa photos ? they are genuine? unless JPL are part of the deception although they probably only
published them on their site where Andy found them I pressume. There are other anomolous photos from mars , the Mars Base, strange metalic cylinders photographed from the rover.
Various vegitation etc....So the story is far from closed, and we know jumproom technology exists and theres Mars bases and the secret space programme has been going for decades by
all the main researchers. So Andy may have been put up to be discredited, thus discrediting the main programme to stop the public believing the real whistle blowers ??....Steve

Theres some good photos here. and a old live presentation by Andy gives you a close up view of the man and his story...

http://www.bizton.com/id59.html

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

lo Ciderrr - I'm from Bristol mate not far from you :)

Yes I know what you're saying, there are a ton of interesting anomalies on Mars. I have a page on my blog (which I've just started) discussing them and showing a number of weird and interesting pics. As I'm new I'm not sure if I'm allowed to link to personal sites, but will risk it. Link here for my Mars Anomalies analysis (http://truthquest2012.wordpress.com/mars-anomalies/) (scroll down for images not related to Basiago). Feel free to comment, not had any visitors yet as I havent started advertising. If link offends please remove it mods, don't want to get kicked off site after one day lol.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Mariner from 'Bristle' A , well somebody has to ...LOL..

Thanks for your blog you have put a lot of thought and effort into it..I agree that most of the photos are inconclusive and can be interpreted differently by the beholder.
The original hominiod one though blurry to me looks like a female humanoid or Statue and its so odd sat on its own in the middle of a barren landscape...
If a weathered rock why no others in the area? Have you come across the original archives where it was taken ?

I have just realised its in the bottom left corner of PIA10213.jpg and that is no way natural and thats without a pint of cider...LOL Steve

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10214.jpg

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10214.jpg

Anyone else reading who's curious click on the image on the bottom left and click plus sign to enlarge pictute . You may have to fiddle about a bit to find it. .....

[Cidersomerset]

I'd like to know what the rover was photographing ?

http://www.bizton.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/mars4.jpg


Some more interesting pics, vids of mars anomalies...

http://thefauxistinternational.wordpress.com/2010/12/04/bigfoot-found-on-mars/

[Cidersomerset]

Heres a better view of the alleged plesiosaur.....

[http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yX_P4HAuZKk/TVDesNazzaI/AAAAAAAAAoc/j5XVF8X46oM/s1600/UFO%252C+Sighting%252C+News%252C+Figure%252C+Mars%252C+Spirit%252C+Rover%252C+Surface%252C+PIA10214% 252C+Face%252C+Faces%252C+buildings%252C+structures%252C+odd%252C+strange%252C+proof%252C+evidence%2 52C+NASA%252C+ET%252C+2012%252C+omni%252C+classified%252C+secret%252C+odd%252C+strange%252C+wikileak s%252C+Tank%252C+Army%252C+Military%252C+arms.png

http://scottcwaring.blogspot.com/2011/02/many-alien-structures-faces-on-mars.html

I'm not sure whether this is a JPL/NASA hoax to help Andrews story, then to discredit him....
Or are the photos actually from Mars how can we find out..?

Andy's slug creature admittedly a bit bizzarre...
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yX_P4HAuZKk/TVDeiA0UOHI/AAAAAAAAAoU/jrtZ4Zql5o0/s1600/UFO%252C+Sighting%252C+News%252C+Figure%252C+Mars%252C+Spirit%252C+Rover%252C+Surface%252C+PIA10214% 252C+Face%252C+Faces%252C+buildings%252C+structures%252C+odd%252C+strange%252C+proof%252C+evidence%2 52C+NASA%252C+ET%252C+2012%252C+omni%252C+classified%252C+secret%252C+odd%252C+strange%252C+wikileak s.png

[Elixer]

That 'slug creature' image, taken from PIA10214 is brilliant. Not so much for the supposed creature, but for what is behind it.
The 'creature' is most likely just a stack of flat rock plates seen from behind, or something. Still quite strange, but explainable.

The structure behind it though, looks as if the surface has been ripped away, to reveal a constructed structure underneath. The brownish beam is very very straight and shows two 90 degree angles.

Of course if this is so, then that might lead to a conclusion that the entire surface is just a type of cloak, hiding the construction underneath.
Using a similar technique as the supposed reptillian shapeshifters use? Doubtful, but possible?

btw, If, on the full PIA, you go a little further left of this slug creature, there is a piece of rock that looks like an old fifties-type of machine with a display.

The thing with all these PIA anomalies is that they certainly look strange, but in most cases can still easily be explained away as 'just rocks', allowing plausible deniability to be maintained. So as not to violate our free-will?

That 'plesiosaur' image is also interesting, though I don't believe this to be an actual creature...

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

All interesting stuff there cheers. But in those Hawaiian pics we are persuaded by the same illusion. To make it conclusive and dispel any lingering doubt we neeeed moving images, actual footage, or at least a series of images (preferably from close up and from multiple angles) of a creature that depicts movement without a doubt.

Until that time we are left with a number of intriguing (and blurry) photographs. Which brings me back to Basiago and his claims of finding 'Proof' for life on Mars which is still very, very far removed from what he presents in his paper (which I theorize are static patterns in rocks giving rise to pareidolia).

To be honest I'm more interested in structured, technological objects which suggest an alien (or even human) presence on Mars.

As I have on my page (http://truthquest2012.wordpress.com/mars-anomalies/), tell me what these are! They are not pareidolia, not geology, not natural.

http://truthquest2012.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sol1402_strange.jpg

You can clearly see a bevelled surface between the lower and upper portions of the object. The whole thing looks 'constructed' to me.

http://truthquest2012.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sol_2063_object.jpg

Possibly a section of rock displaying layers of stratification. But it looks strangely artificial to me, the squareness of it…

http://truthquest2012.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sol894b_artificial.jpg

This item lies on a sand dune (upper right of this image (http://marsrovers.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/p/894/1P207550395ESF74V1P2354L7M1.JPG)) This article hints at a manufactured source.

*****

Now check this out. This is the Grandaddy of them all. God knows where this comes from – it was apparently 'leaked', and shows a clear structure on the Martian surface. I call it 'The Base'.

http://truthquest2012.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/unrealmarsobject.jpg

If this is real, it eclipses all other 'speculative' evidence. This is proof!

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Elexir the cave entrance on Mariners blog is interresting. It does look man or martian made !

http://truthquest2012.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/marplat_entrance.jpg

And this is in one land scape. There are many land scapes on earth that have less anomalies.

Deserts , polar regions etc.......

Plain in Lut desert Iran..

http://www.wondermondo.com/Images/Asia/Iran/Kerman/LutDesert.jpg

Atacama Desert Driest place on earth

http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/The-Driest-Place-on-Earth-Atacama-Desert-2.jpg

And how can we be sure the rovers are filming from Mars..LOL,,

For the sake of this thread we have to pressume the rover and the photos are genuinly on Mars, so as you say in comes down to Andy's interpretation, which I agree is ambiguous on the whole.
But the homoniod does not look like a rock and there is nothing else in the panorama to suggest otherwise imho.... Also the rover photo of the metalic objects has anyone heard of an explanation for them ? Steve

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Mariner the base photo in the above post is again difficult to desipher could be man made??...Although we are concentrating on whether Andy has had these adventures or has been mind controlled like many have seemed to be....I pretty sure from all the testomany that humans are on Mars . Bob Deans presentation photos of a mars base seem genuine..

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_basraNod1Ms/SmttQYnlRjI/AAAAAAAABEY/rBChfLsTZv0/s320/untitled.PNG

http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID2912/images/250_DEAN_MARS_BASE.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/bob_dean_mars_base.jpg

I think Andrew is a innocent victim in a bigger game ....Steve

[HaveBlue]

I tend to agree Elixer. Dames saying what he does about this is really the pot calling the kettle black! Karma aye?
I remember a couple of years back when Andrew was so excited about PIA10214 as the smoking gun and absolute definitive proof so I go and get it- yes the big version and it was such a let down.
And what evidence is there that says the other pics of a black shadow shape of a hominid was indeed taken by the Mars rover. Sure looks like another Bigfoot sighting to me!

Quite possible that Andrew is being psy oped. He certainly seems to believe what he is saying.
I guess we that are young enough will just have to wait and see if he does indeed become POTUS in either 2016 or 2020. That really is a big claim.

Interesting that Arthur Neuman hasn't commented on this guy (he did back up Dab Burisch remember) to my knowledge and that Bill and Kerry have been well aware of this chap for at least 2-3 years and have not commented much inspite of having talked with him, let alone done a Camelot interview with him.
Bill hasn't come out and said exactly what he thinks. Kerry has as she often does swallow the lot immeadiately- hence the amicable disagreement with Bill and decision to 'work on their own'.
The Heather material, LME (Ms Eisenhauer) has nothing to offer us except a famous surname of her Great Granddad, of which she only recently decided to start calling herself.
I remain doubtfull myself but am slipping slowly off the fence onto perhaps thinking that Shizenhauer may be more appropriate.
Her excitable persona that flits off on tangents all over the place and her devine feminine rants are more like that of a small child.

This has been discussed ad nauseum over at Open Minds. Even Jake Reason the mod admits the droolling over Laura has more to do with her cuteness than her story.

Even with Arthur, we have nothing ourselves. Only Bill and Kerrys word and that of D Wilcock that the guy is legit. A brown covered passport is not evidence of anything except proof he has a passport with a brown cover.

When I myself was in a psych ward I too could have pretended the lfts were actually teleporting portals and that I was on Mars. I too played alot of ping pong and pool when I was stuck thetre for a month untill a visiting justice could hear my story and order me released forthwith.

I met all sorts there. People who were absolutely convinced I was the guy that had stolen the guys wife, despite having never met her nor him. Put him down in front of a camera for 4 hours and he may easily convince alot of readers here of his tale. He was very believable.
There were also quite a few so called mental health 'professionals' who thought I was in the right place while others thought I just had no home to go to.
I was glad the judge was sane.
If anyone gives a toss, I'll try and be brief. Basically I was questioned by 2 policeman as I was walking home alone at 5am who didn't like my answers to their qusetions so they took me to the Psych Ward of our local hospital. They thought if I had nothing to hide I would give more info about myself than my name, address and date of birth. I apparently was a potential rapist since I was out at 5am, hense my unco-operative stance at such absurdity.

I had asked them for identification and they had decided the uniform and patrol car made it obvious they were cops! Now in another city in NZ around the same time but not yet publically known, a transvestite had been going into her local cop shop and not only putting a uniform on but checking out a patrol car as well, even pulling over unsuspecting motorists. When eventually caught up with it was found she had been doing this for 6 months or so making a complete laughing stock of the Auckland Central Police.

My request was not unreasonable yet the 2 cops decided I was insane!
Yes folks, truth is way stranger than fiction and anything is possible.
I very much 'want' to belive Bassagio, Neuman and LME too but just can' quite bring myself to do it yet! Just too much like Mr . sorry , 'Dr' Michael Wolfe! Better to be a fake somebody than a real nobody he is quoted as saying. He too was a psych patient. A life long one from his teens untill the end. (Maybe it takes one to know one!)
There are people in this world who actually believe that themselves. I would much prefer to be just what I am which is an honourable nobody, nobody to anyone except those close to me.

I just want us all to be clear about just what ' shizen' goes on
Surely serious researchers would be all over this like a rash too if it was valid. Not just A. Weber and M. Salla, fellow Dr M Wolfe swallowers. Coast 2 Coast AM is not serious research folks! BTW George Noory is good at what he does on the radio but he is no comedian, that is for sure! He has a great abilty to treat the most absurd 'guests' with true style, unlike his fill in Ian Punnet, who is an idiot to be frank.

I would like to see a shot of A. Bassagio looking straight into the camera instead of the one and only B&W shot of him gazing off to his left and up. He sure does look a million miles away in that pic!

We all get psy oped all the time by 'them' so they can see if we'll believe stunts like 911 being what the 911 commission says it is etc...
Sadly most are sheeple, but more are waking up all the time so there is hope for us yet.

Lets pretend Bassagio is telling the truth. Cool. But the likes of you and I will never get to see it for ourselves and ultimately makes no difference if it is true or not.
Gary Mc Kinnin (sp) is somebody I do believe. Even he doesn't know what to make of what he saw for himself with his slow 56K dial up modem. That the U.S has still not 'dealt' with the matter and everything about his case is far more of a story than Bassagios, or LME.
There are indeed so many way more important cases with way more evidence and credibility than these yet they are all but ignored. Why? To take our attention away from them with this sort of thing, that is why!

I won't put Arthur Neuman in the same box as I do believe what Bill said about being taken to his former place of work and he is more believable. Still all we reallly have from him is a brown passport!
I know Camelot is not about 'proving' anything and with good reason, having being explained by Bill more than once. It is Bills endorsement that has me taking an interest. (yes you have a huge weight of responsibility on your shoulders Bill!) Maybe Arthur Neuman is psy oping us too! The Morphine (heaps of it) he was on is not a hallucigen and I do believe it has no part to play in his story, other than to keep him in a state of apathy and under 'their' control and he has done very well to kick it.

And remember he did say he was tired of the Henry thing and wanted to be called Arthur from that moment on yet Bill and others contine not to listen to the man himself and still call him HD.
It is these subtleties that are very important. Most are not good listeners, so they do not listen for what is not said, and even how it is not said!

Too many are patting themselves on the back here at Avalon for being such an intelligent bunch! Pride comes before a fall don't forget. Intelligence is only relative to the topic of the moment.
Being a specialist in sub atomic particle theory is no use if you have a flat tyre on your car in the middle of now where but are too stupid to even find the spare wheel! Yes- true story! It was under the car not in the boot. You undo the bolt inside the car boot and the spare drops down. Everyone knows that don't they? Apparently not! especially the most 'intelligent' of folks!

It's people that swallow this sort of thing such as Bassagios that go and invest their hard earned pay with such obvious fraudsters that appeal to peoples greed. Psychic stock advisers like the 6 million dollar man himself, Sean David Morton and his ilk. Who here will be contributing to A Bassagios presidential campaign when and if it happens? He really should listen to guys like John Lear to see how such 'beliefs' cost him much in the day to day real world.

Bassagios story just doesn't resonate with me. I have exactly the same feeling now as I did about the Pickering Brothers when they tried to hoax us, and too with you know who that caused such a fuss here at Avalon at the beginning of the year. The very reason I rejoined after Avalon 1, soley to dissaprove of the chap. I just really loathe deciept strange as it may seem. Others seem to love having ther wool pulled over their eyes! This time it just doesn't reach no matter how much I try and stretch it!

Due dilligence everyone.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Haveblue interresting comments basically you have the same reservations as all who have been following Andy. We have not got long to wait to see if it is BS, because
its got to the stage, especially in the last few months when he has been naming names, things should start to escalate if he is serious about running for Pres' because if
his timeline is right doors should start opening and others should start to confirm his story !!!!

The other option is it is going to unravel fast, especially if designed to do so to discredit disclosure, and then you will see plenty of 'serious researchers' start saying I told you so....
I hope not, and if he is outed big time lets just acknowledge it as somekind of pyops and learn from it....

Bill has commented recently on another thread I put up about Darpa & jumprooms in connection with another Andy interview just before the coast one.

Posted by Corncrake (here)
I have heard several interviews with Andrew Basiago and I want to believe him very much. I know Kerry and Bill were at one time keen to interview him too. Although the information is really out there he sounds plausible and a nice guy but that is obviously not enough! I desperately want someone else to speak out and corroborate what he has said. There are some whistleblowers I believe and others I have doubts about and an awful lot of it is to do with how they present their information - when there is ego involved I feel myself backing off. If this information is true it is mind blowing.

Bills answer to Corncake...

I first spoke with Andy Basiago quite some time before anyone else did -- way back in February 2007. He and I talked for four hours on the phone, off-record and unrecorded.

His recall of the teleportation experiments in his childhood was detailed and fascinating. He certainly believed everything he shared, and I believed that his story, as he told it then, was very real.

He only had the experience of remembering that he had been to Mars quite some time after that conversation. This timeline of his progressive recall is missing from almost all of his subsequent public accounts.

Kerry and I both feel strongly that he entirely believes everything he states, and is not a knowing fraud. He is courageous, intelligent, articulate and sincere. But neither of us believes he went to Mars. It's highly likely, in the opinion of us both, that these are screen memories that are designed and intended to discredit his original very important and legitimate testimony about teleportation on Planet Earth.

Meanwhile, Henry Deacon's testimony is certainly 100% authentic. Kerry and I spoke with Henry for literally hundreds of hours (and so has David Wilcock). The 'jumprooms' are very real.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34223-DARPA-CIA-Jump-Room-To-Mars......Andrew-Basiago-28th-Oct-2011.../page2

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Cheers for that cider and haveblue, that pretty much nails it for me, and confirms exactly what I originally thought: that Basiago is an unwitting pawn spreading (planted) BS disinfo to discredit his original story. It’s working pretty well.

I'm not completely sold yet, however, on his first, original tale involving the whole 'jumproom', Stargate SG-1 shenanigans.

We all have to remember is that, with so much information out there these days, ‘our beliefs’ can be based only on what text we read on a page, what voice we hear emanating from our desktop speakers: and many are formed by mere youtube clips. Without solid, tangible evidence - a photograph, documentation or physical artefacts, it must remain only a story, a theory, speculation and nothing more.

That does not mean I don’t have strong beliefs in what’s going on. Mine amount to 20 odd years of research – and experiences, in many different areas and fields. But in that time I’ve learned to be cautious, developed many filters and intuitions.

For project pegasus to be remotely believable (and not a hoax, lies, or a disinfo plant) Basiago needs to come up with way more. Multiple witnesses and participants need to come forward. There needs to be verifiable scientific publications to support the physics of it, and replicable laboratory results. And they need to come soon.

We hear now that 'he is to become the next US president'. Yeh right, Andy. And he met Obama on Mars! It’s getting silly now, with his claims getting more and more wild with each passing week. There is a danger this will soon escalate to such a point that reputable researchers will be left with egg on their face, and this whole area of study – the whole phenomenon – will be discredited. That is the danger.

[Makoto]

I also met Andy a few times and discuss all pertaining to the subjects continuously with him for a few days at a time last year of 2010. Please remember that possible mind control or torture he went through after the training program one’s mind (there was the incidence that the medical technician put needles into his spine to have him forget experience with pain and the most of his class mate of few friends he knows from the project out of 140 elementary students cannot remember when he called them again a few times after phone discussion or so, their memory about the subject disappear while they are talking in span of a week or so) and the brain function can be enhanced or altered. Stewart told me some time as you can see in the case of i.e. Tiger wood (He is illuminati mind control victim or designated celebrity), visual acuity will increased up to 8 times (800%) also in case of super soldier, human recording machine, extremely high IQ, etc , Maybe the way his visual cognitive process is different. Andy is not seeing and understanding what we are looking at. He only wanted to use the laptop (HP) has special visual output chip (special algorithm chip and no longer manufacturing) for his presentation and saying that this one has much clear output. Unfortunately, he could not secure the laptop from the ebay after his first one was broken. And also he might have remember how some of the statue or living creature he saw on the surface in close proximity from his direct experience, that would give him different visual prospect as well. That being said, he is a bit stubborn side I admit that though…
Also in the radio Ed said he does not have memory as being Andy and his friend and Obama’s instructor, but Al bielek and Stewart both said Military often use time loop to create the secondary time line to do some black op job/research. Sometime the person does not remember what happen in the other time line. Some do after age 40 or so… I think Andy did that by himself 1968 or something he spent two summers of the same year differently, I do not remember which year it was.. Anyway just a thought.

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Makoto most people who really listen to Andy think he is a genuine person desparately trying to remember something fantastic that may or may not have happened
in reality.....Only time will tell if he is a genuine 'pioneer of time and space travel' or a mind controlled 'Dupe'. As we are in the learning and diclosure phase of
this wonderful 'adventure' we call physical existance, and I know the experiance for all on this plain is not a good one.I personally feel everyones views should be respected,listened to,
digested and put on a shelf in the library of our mind and drawn upon when needed.

As with any great libraries full of books some are factual others are fantasy and some fiction with a little BS... Most whistleblowers & researchers are somewhere in these
catagories. Andy could fit any of the above and added with a little mind control, he is fighting a uphill battle for credibility in this field. He could be a unwitting 'plant'
to send us down a blind alley or make us look ridiculous , and his announcement to run for the presidency in 2016 smacks of 'wishfull fantasy'.
Yet he intigues me with his persistancy and his come back interview after the Ed Dames confrontation on coast was very strong and did not put him out
of his stride!!!! Which you could interpret as a strong will and determination or mindcontrol and stubborness or something inbetween ??

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37041-Andrew-Basiago...5-th-Dec-2011-interview-on-Late-Night-In-The-Midlands...

I compare him to David Icke when he first came onto the scene and the ridicule he faced. Fortunately for Andy the field has matured a little since then and whether
you reasonte with him or not, to bully and insult is not on imho!!..His memmory is comming back more and more and with the help of a few others he is remembering
more fantastic things..Again at this point with out actual proof its not helping his case just making it more intriguing or giving his critics more ammo as he says
things like Barry Satoro and other top political personalities were in the programme.

He is certainly brave to put his head above the parapet to be shot at ,so 2012 is going to be another big year for him eitherway..Steve