Richard Anderson's ARISE AND SHINE detox cleanse

[Bill Ryan]

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Dear All,

This thread is about Rich Anderson's Arise and Shine detox cleanse.

All details are here...

http://ariseandshine.com

...but many readers will already know about it, or have experienced it personally.

It'd be interesting to hear intelligent, detailed feedback about people's experiences and benefits gained (or problems encountered).

I did this cleanse about 10 years ago, basically as a 9-day water fast using Rich Anderson's protocols, including twice-daily colonics -- for which I'd prepared by getting as alkaline as possible for a couple of weeks beforehand.

Nothing interesting 'came out' (I'm referring to the famous and controversial mucoid plaque here) -- but I felt pretty well cleaned out, and had always been interested in repeating the experience.

Now at Madre Tierra in Vilcabamba, I'm repeating the cleanse for 14 days -- this time having prepared for a month with an almost 100% raw food diet. I'm on day 6 of the cleanse, and am doing pretty well.

Again, nothing especially interesting has 'come out', but I'm certainly leaner, cleaner and trimmer in every way. I'm happy to continue to update folks on my progress and results. :)

I'd be most interested to hear from anyone's experiences of this kind of cleanse.

All best wishes, Bill

[M6*]

Hi Bill,
This will certainly be an interesting thread to follow. I would be glad to hear your view concerning a "compare and contrast" with this and Jim Humble's MMS. ....Or is this something completely different? Thanks for all you do in the field of Alternative Medical Awareness. Glad to hear you are getting leaner, cleaner, and trimmer. What I say is, "Whatever works"! Keep us posted. Sincerely, M6*

[Jonathon]

Way to take one for the team Bill =) I fully support your efforts. I'm working on the eventual designing of my own protocols so I'm extremely interested in your progress/experience and will check out the materials you listed.

Are you supplementing your raw diet with any fatty acids at all? (oils, egg yolk etc).

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Some other interesting resources:
Body Ecology (http://bodyecology.com/aboutbed.php)

Weston A Price Foundation (http://www.westonaprice.org/)

[Ethereal Blue Being]

Thanks Bill.. I went to their home page and they have a "Downloadable Cleanse Guide" and a "Sample Cleanse Journal" .. Ill take a look later today.. post picks of yourself when your finished a before and after would be great...hope thats not an inappropriate request..

[Bill Ryan]

Are you supplementing your raw diet with any fatty acids at all?

Yes -- for a month, lots of olive, avacado and sesame oil -- plus tons of raw fresh organic avacados.

I was also taking 1000 mg ratfish oil (http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Products/SkateLiverOil/index.cfm) daily (see the Camelot interview with Dr Pete Peterson: it decalcifies the pineal gland), plus 1800mg a day Omega-3, 1300mg EPA and 500mg DHA.

On the cleanse-fast, I've stopped taking supplements altogether -- but this first week (before the water-only cleanse-fast next week, which Rich Anderson calls the Master Phase) I've been drinking fresh coconut milk, strained vegetable broth, and the occasional fresh fruit smoothie. I'm losing about 1 lb per day on all this, but my energy is holding up pretty well most of the time.

[Tommy]

Very interesting Bill, thanks for posting.

I have been looking into doing "something" like this myself. I did however fall in love with green juice during my stay in the US, I know I can supplement a lot just using that.

Be sure to let us know what your results are, nice to know a reference if you are gonna try something like this :)

Best of luck!

[astrid]

Interesting synchoniciity Bill .
I'm on day 9 of a water fast myself
Wasnt something I planned to do, but
was "'directed by spirit " to do this .
I was already pretty cleaned out , been on
organic only fruit and veggies since march .
So no real issues, I was doing some juice
but found i was getting hungry, so just
on water from my reverse osmosis filter .
Not even sure howl long I will go for , I had
some metaphysical goals that I have already
met , so really interested to see what else is
In store . Kundalini is seriously heightened
and increasing by the day .
Tip is to get heaps of rest, listen to your body
I'm finding I'm even more people sensitive than
normal so I'm really limiting my 3d human
contact .
Good to see you are taking this step, it really
does fast track physical and spiritual changes.

Much love
Astrid

[jwf2tao]

Thank you. I am a long time user of cleanse/detox programs, this looks very interesting....very thorough....mahalo.

[Christine]

Hello,

I guess I should add my bit here on the Arise and Shine cleanse. I am also cleansing here in Vilcabamba, such a health conscious community here and other friends have used this cleanse with good success. This is my second round, the first being many years ago when I lived in Mexico. (It is so great to be in a country where good fruit and vegetables are still affordable) The first time I went on the cleanse I prepared for two weeks by eating only raw unseasoned fruits and veggies then went into juice fasting for three weeks and culminated the cleanse with a week of water fasting. I have wanted to do the cleanse again ever since!

It was a transforming experience for me on many levels, my energy level stayed extremely high, I was a smoker and quit cigarettes easily and naturally about three weeks into the program but more astounding and life changing was the mental clarity and visions I started having. I felt "lifted" in consciousness out of body and yet I could function and work the whole time. I have always claimed it changed my life because I deepened my spiritual quest which continues today.

So currently some years down the line I am feeling quite different, I believe more toxins have accumulated and I have had some, very few really, rough moments.The gift has been that my mental clarity and perceptions are intensifying.

I know there is controversy on whether one excretes muciod plaque or not. My experience was that I eliminated large amounts of dark ropy material during the final water phase of the cleanse.

Just thinking about what we are exposed to in our world today should help anyone who wants better health and a more vital life to consider this great cleanse.

Saludos,
La Tigra

[astrid]

I also know someone that is a raw foodie who
did a water fast .Sne was going for 14'days .
But on day 8 she started passing parasites
so she continued on and ended up doing
40 days. She has a you tube clip about if
I'd anyone is interested I will dig it up .

The other thing is there is an increasing
Number of doctors that are using fasting,
with miraculous results. The thing is this-
the eating/ digestion process is very energy
expensive . Giving the body a rest from eating
means that all it's working on is healing itself.
Of course fasting is considered by the
"establishments " to be dangerous as illness and
comserism is big business .
Think about how much food globally would
be saved if every adult fasted for a week once a
year. Note too that not everyone can and shoild
fast some kidney and liver chronic
Conditions don't benefit or get worse .

But is all pretty interesting
"'food for thought" pun intended, lol

Also it's eating that actually makes you
hungry after day 2-4 no hunger .
Being around food and food smells can be
challenging though , im finding they are making
me feel a.bit ill .

So glad you started this thread Bill so I
can add my experiences, its a pretty personal
interior journey too , you might even get the
urge to journal about it.

Blessings

Astrid

[Bill Ryan]

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Re mucoid plaque, I highly recommend this discussion on another specialist cleansing forum:

http://themastercleanse.com/forum/showthread.php?551-MUCOID-PLAQUE-FACT-OR-FRAUD

This is pretty much the most intelligent and interesting discussion I've encountered on any forum -- including this one. It's exactly the way dialog should be conducted. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED for anyone who's interested in this cleansing topic.

[Jonathon]

Are you supplementing your raw diet with any fatty acids at all?

Yes -- for a month, lots of olive, avacado and sesame oil -- plus tons of raw fresh organic avacados.

I was also taking 1000 mg ratfish oil (http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Products/SkateLiverOil/index.cfm) daily (see the Camelot interview with Dr Pete Peterson: it decalcifies the pineal gland), plus 1800mg a day Omega-3, 1300mg EPA and 500mg DHA.

On the cleanse-fast, I've stopped taking supplements altogether -- but this first week (before the water-only cleanse-fast next week, which Rich Anderson calls the Master Phase) I've been drinking fresh coconut milk, strained vegetable broth, and the occasional fresh fruit smoothie. I'm losing about 1 lb per day on all this, but my energy is holding up pretty well most of the time.

OOC what has been your experience with ratfish oil? Anything noticeable? Have considered it, but there are so many things out there and I try not to go too overboard.

[Dawn]

I'd like to add a bit about my experience here. As a breatharian at age 37 there was no need to ever eat again, however I chose to start eating so that I could share the socializing that goes on around meals and cafes. I don't know if I'd make that same decision again. I believe eating is extremely hard on the body, and is responsible for many symptoms that we think of as 'aging'. I don't believe that my body is balanced and healthy enough to go back to this right now, so I am currently an eater.

Since then I have done a number of cleanses. The longest fast was a Master Cleanse that I remained on for 105 days, when I was 46 years old. I was surprised to find my body continuing to have bowel movements, though those became very small, even at the 3+ month mark. Since I wasn't eating food I assumed these were the result of the body continuing to internally clean itself. I used internal salt water bathing for the first 7 days in order to offset the toxicity headaches that can ensue if the bowels are not clean in a fast. I highly recommend this for people in beginning a fast, it can make a BIG difference in comfort.

For people who are not in a physical or financial place to do daily colonics, the internal salt water bath does the same thing. But instead of being washed out by a colonic with a hose up your a$$, the bath starts at your mouth and washes through the entire digestive system. This is inexpensive and effective, however you must stay very close to a toilet for several hours on the days you are doing it. Here is a link to the info on this practice: http://www.viruz.com/internal-salt-water-bathing-salt-water-wash/

My energy was extremely high the entire time. In the last 2 weeks of the cleanse I began to see the production of clear watery mucous in a daily bowel movement which contained no fecal material. I never saw mucoid placque as discussed in other cleanses which use bentonite clay and psyllium.

I chose to eat again because I was going into a community retreat setting and I felt the desire to be part of the community in everything, including meals. The transition into eating needs to be very carefully handled after a long fast like this in order to prepare the digestive system for food again. Without this careful transition severe illness can result. Besides being strong, healthy, and energized physically by this cleanse I also felt the emotional cleansing which occurred had the longest benefits. The master cleanser, for those not familiar with it, is also called the lemonade diet. Here is a place for information: http://themastercleanse.org/

This year, at age 60, I have gone on a juice fast for a week, which healed my digestive system to an amazing degree. Previous to this I had been experiencing a spastic colon, after that juicing week I have not experienced it again. I have also transitioned to a 90+% raw diet this year. My body REALLY does not like cooked food, so I keep cooked meals down to a bare minimum.

As in other times in my life, I find myself deciding to join others in community meals from time to time, which is when I find myself eating cooked food. But remaining on a raw food diet is easy otherwise.

[Ethereal Blue Being]

Bill I went on the Master Cleanse forum as you suggested (post #11) to see what you were talking about as far as the way a great forum should be and in posts 25 and 26 by pineapple solve the age old questionjwhether mucoid plaque is real (it is) and post #27 by Bunnie references Rich Andersons work and reasons why the Mucoid Plaque forms ( other Avalonians please start at post #1 on the master cleanse forum as I did to see what Bill is referring to) Quickly.. my first Master Cleanser Cleanse was when I was 15 (1971)Las Vegas..my older brother called from college(upper midwest) and had been telling us (our family )about it with few details as simply feeling better, more energy and you wouldnt believe the yucky stuff it flushes out of you.. I asked my parents if I could do it they said yes.. My day 3 early, morning salt wash (drink a quart of warm water with sea salt) it didnt go through so I drank another quart.. 10 minutes later while sitting on the toilet feeling all of the pressure build I was shocked ..many cups of what looked like and felt like uncooked black rice came out . horrified ( i was only 15 ) I screamed for my mom she came and saw it called my dad into the bathroom ( he was a math/ science teacher and before that a farmer/rancher so he was very experienced with animals)) . he took one look in the toilet glanced at my tear stained face and LAUGHED he said" calm down your not dying ,that's impacted fecal matter,youve got alot of crap built up inside of you that the cleanse is is flushing out.. you might want to stay on the cleanse for the full ten days because your full of it"..he left the bathrom giggling and mom and I looked at each other cracked up laughing ..Yes ,I did stay on it the full ten days and have done that or a raw veggie juice fast or brown rice seaweed,bluegreen algae several times a year ever since.. my brother did the master cleanse 35 days and DID PASS A MUCOSAL PLACQUE STRANDS. starting just before 30 days on it...many foot or two long. Bill I have never done a water fast (more than a day or two)or colonics but from what Ive seen of Rich Andersons website, now I must..Thanks for starting this thread..

the "black uncooked rice looking" impacted fecal matter literally stunk up the house and yes I did have tears in my eyes.. it scared me but most of it was the smell...it lingered in the house long after the toilet was flushed

[modwiz]

I'd like to add a bit about my experience here. As a breatharian at age 37 there was no need to ever eat again, however I chose to start eating so that I could share the socializing that goes on around meals and cafes. I don't know if I'd make that same decision again. I believe eating is extremely hard on the body, and is responsible for many symptoms that we think of as 'aging'. I don't believe that my body is balanced and healthy enough to go back to this right now, so I am currently an eater.

Since then I have done a number of cleanses. The longest fast was a Master Cleanse that I remained on for 105 days, when I was 46 years old. I was surprised to find my body continuing to have bowel movements, though those became very small, even at the 3+ month mark. Since I wasn't eating food I assumed these were the result of the body continuing to internally clean itself. I used internal salt water bathing for the first 7 days in order to offset the toxicity headaches that can ensue if the bowels are not clean in a fast. I highly recommend this for people in beginning a fast, it can make a BIG difference in comfort.

For people who are not in a physical or financial place to do daily colonics, the internal salt water bath does the same thing. But instead of being washed out by a colonic with a hose up your a$$, the bath starts at your mouth and washes through the entire digestive system. This is inexpensive and effective, however you must stay very close to a toilet for several hours on the days you are doing it. Here is a link to the info on this practice: http://www.viruz.com/internal-salt-water-bathing-salt-water-wash/

My energy was extremely high the entire time. In the last 2 weeks of the cleanse I began to see the production of clear watery mucous in a daily bowel movement which contained no fecal material. I never saw mucoid placque as discussed in other cleanses which use bentonite clay and psyllium.

I chose to eat again because I was going into a community retreat setting and I felt the desire to be part of the community in everything, including meals. The transition into eating needs to be very carefully handled after a long fast like this in order to prepare the digestive system for food again. Without this careful transition severe illness can result. Besides being strong, healthy, and energized physically by this cleanse I also felt the emotional cleansing which occurred had the longest benefits. The master cleanser, for those not familiar with it, is also called the lemonade diet. Here is a place for information: http://themastercleanse.org/

This year, at age 60, I have gone on a juice fast for a week, which healed my digestive system to an amazing degree. Previous to this I had been experiencing a spastic colon, after that juicing week I have not experienced it again. I have also transitioned to a 90+% raw diet this year. My body REALLY does not like cooked food, so I keep cooked meals down to a bare minimum.

As in other times in my life, I find myself deciding to join others in community meals from time to time, which is when I find myself eating cooked food. But remaining on a raw food diet is easy otherwise.

Too many of us never play and experiment with our bodies. We are told we are foolish do do so and that we could do irreparable damage to ourselves. You won't find many, if any, in the medical field to encourage such experimentation. When I shared some of the things I have done with a doctor on my table she told me I was lucky I did not hurt myself. I told her that the feedback provided by the body to a mentally healthy person gives the best information you can get or would need to proceed with great safety.

I guess at some point I should share some detailed information about the actual physics and/or anatomical 'science' behind being a Breatharian although Dawn, no doubt can do the same or better.

I will drop a few clues though: Sebum, pores and phagocytes, warm weather and exposed skin. It's not just about Chi/Ki/Prana, as important as that is. At least this is my understanding. I am only an expert on myself.

[Carmody]

So, Mod, you are saying that my bald head really does become a solar panel for a sex machine. Then I could buy and wear that t-shirt with total honesty.

We, as avatars go, really were designed to be in the south, where the weather makes such things possible.

Not that one cannot be spiritual in the north, but the culmination, the peak, requires the right physical conditions. And those conditions are in the south.

[modwiz]

So, Mod, you are saying that my bald head really does become a solar panel for a sex machine. Then I could buy and wear that t-shirt with total honesty.

We, as avatars go, really were designed to be in the south, where the weather makes such things possible.

Not that one cannot be spiritual in the north, but the culmination, the peak, requires the right physical conditions. And those conditions are in the south.

As is usually the case, I am in agreement with you. Your bald head would provide a bigger 'plate' for collection of sustenance. I hope to put my life together in such away as to move South/warm permanently. There are certain family considerations that are temporarily blocking me. My destiny will not permit that blockage to exist much longer though.
There would be a price for not doing the work to make that move happen.

[Bill Ryan]

As a breatharian at age 37 there was no need to ever eat again

WOW and thanks for your whole post.

Please say more! :)

Re mucoid plaque, this short video may be well worth watching. Intelligent, well-informed, and balanced.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMA9nq5cNWc

[starsha]

I just wanted to share this website with you all who are raw foodists, or are doing the raw food diet for a cleanse. I have found this site to have a lot of practical and useable advice for maintaining a healthy balance with a raw food diet. I have her book and i use the recipes in it almost every day.

http://www.rawfamily.com/

I try to do a juice fast at least once a year, and find i get amazing results. What i have found works really well for me is to do the juice fast with the 'green smoothie' recipes, plus use the 'vega' whole food optimizer powders in them if i am fasting for a long time. I am very athletic, so i find that i can't maintain a fast for a long period of time while remaining very active unless i supplement with the plant protein powders.

http://myvega.com/products/whole-food-health-optimizer/features-benefits (The little video clip of Brendon Brazer is also awesome, he's a wealth of knowledge on diet and health.)

I also use the bentonite clay, psyllium husk, and raw apple juice about once a year to really clean things out. I have never had the plaque myself, but i have read that those three combined will often do the trick.

Thanks for this thread, it's great to trade notes with people on what works well for others, there is a lot of awesome information here. :)

[Limor Wolf]

Dawn,if you are willing to share your personal experience as a breatharian,it can be a learning opportunity for all of us here,and your impressions will be very worthwhile! what I find mostly surprising is that you are talking about 23 years ago. I think it is quite rare to find people who can nourish themselvs from 'prana' even today,so I can't help but understand that I know nothing about this way of living.

A while ago,I have watched a couple of videos of a former Israeli breatharian,and I found that it completly contradicts everything that our science and medicine ever told us... not much of a surprise,however,this is an absolute confirmation that our bodies are an integral part of the 'all there is' ,if taking into consideration that our soul is ready and developed enough for such an opportunity to live food-free. somehow it feels to me like the greatest proximity of becoming our true self - extract of energy.

My inquisitve mind would like to learn more about this,but I need to confess,my inquisitive body is absolutely not there!:rolleyes:

This is a valuable thread,where people can commonly evaluate how to best support our bodies-vehicles and no less important,our souls.Thank you Bill for posting and sharing.

[WhiteFeather]

Thanks for this Bill and Good luck on your fasting/cleansing/detoxing etc. I Have become a vegetarian since my kundalini awakening in 2010 as my spirit guides have led me on this path for a higher spiritual upliftment. I have been using organic fruit smoothies and organic vegetable drinks as well, i am also using (Sun-chlorella 3mg) and fresh squeazed wheat grass in my daily intakes. I have a question for you Bill, you posted in this thread about decalcifying the pineal gland, can you please send some info on the basics in decalcifying the 3rd eye, I am very interested in doing so. Thank You For This Thread! ~<~.) W.F. (.~>~

[Bill Ryan]

I have a question for you Bill, you posted in this thread about decalcifying the pineal gland, can you please send some info on the basics in decalcifying the 3rd eye, I am very interested in doing so. Thank You For This Thread!

See http://projectcamelot.org/pete_peterson.html (video part 3), which got it all started -- i.e. got the information about ratfish oil into the public domain. :)

Transcript available here:

http://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/dr_pete_peterson_part_3_kerry_cassidy_en.html

The part to search for (easy with the transcript) is references to the pineal gland.

Here's the entire section:





You have a whole fleet of boats up and down the West Coast of the United States and the East Coast of the United States that can’t fish anymore, because we’ve killed all the fish, except there are bottom-feeders called... I won’t tell you the name of the fish, but they’re bottom feeders. That’s a fish that consists of... 60% of the weight of the fish is liver, and about 60% of the liver is that particular fish liver oil, which contains a compound called “Activator X” by Price of the Price-Pottenger Foundation (http://www.ppnf.org/catalog/ppnf/) of years-ago fame.

He found out right after World War II that one drop of that... Well, you can take that fish oil, which is highly-fishy-tasting. Get it cold; the waxes and false isomers will solidify. You can filter those out and the oil left over has very little or no taste to it. That oil, you can put in the sunlight and it won’t turn rancid for hundreds of years. It should have been used in place of sperm whale oil for lubricating watches, but they didn’t use it for that.

KC: Is this cod liver oil?

PP: No, it’s not cod liver oil. It’s a different oil, but those boats could go out and bring back boatloads of this fish. It grows from Antarctica to [the] Arctic and everywhere in between.

KC: What does that have to do with fluoride in the water?

PP: What it has to do with is that that oil, one drop put in a slice of bread – eaten daily – and you [will] have no caries whatsoever; there’s no tooth decay. It eliminates tooth decay. And they did this on thousands and hundreds of thousands of children in Europe after World War Two.

KC: And likewise you can guard against hardening of the arteries.

PP: Well, then you don’t get the hardening of the arteries from the fluoride or the chloride. Now, what happened was... and I’ll take the hit for this, let’s put it that way. It’s my conjecture that the only reason we use chloride in the water was because the politicians have already spent all of the Social Security money, so you’ve got to have something there so that people die at retirement age.

KC: [laughs]

PP: Then because of health care getting better, we had to have something else that made it happen even faster, so we put fluoride in the water.

KC: Wow. That's something.

PP: They could have gotten rid of tooth decay with an absolutely benign substance that we had a whole industry here that could go out and bring us back all we could ever use for the whole world, very inexpensively and totally non-negatively in the body. But we didn’t do that.

Now, the reason that that fish oil doesn’t turn rancid is, obviously, because it’s an antioxidant. It’s the best antioxidant known to man as far as I know. Price called it Activator X. It has a definite chemical formula. It could definitely be put out there. But it’d eliminate most of heart surgery; it would eliminate tooth decay, so it’s not put out there because that isn’t efficient in our capitalistic system.

KC: Well, you’re talking worldwide though, as well, right?

PP: Yeah, it would be worldwide. Like I say, we did it in Europe after World War II, for years, but we took that Activator X... By the way, there’s a small amount of it in wheat germ oil, so that was taken from wheat germ oil. Now we found – I found – the ratfish had this stuff in, you know, massive amounts.

BR: When you said Price, did you mean Dr. Weston Price?

PP: Weston Price, yeah. So it’s my conjecture they’re only… I mean the only reason I could see that we would be using that is to kill people off. Why else would you do that?

DW: You're saying, about the pineal gland. Because I have a whole long section in my video that everybody’s seen, most of this audience has seen it, all about the pineal gland. So, you’re saying that this oil, if taken, would help to decalcify the pineal gland, or somehow increase its sensitivity?

PP: If the pineal gland is calcified by halides, yes it would.

DW: Okay.

KC: But you’re not naming the fish.

PP: I wasn’t really naming the fish.

KC: Other than the ratfish that you just talked about?

PP: No. And that’s not the…

KC: …not the main source.

PP: No, that’s what it’s called in certain areas of the world.


The best source of this (because it's fermented) is here -- skate liver oil:

http://greenpasture.org/public/Products/SkateLiverOil/index.cfm

The ratfish is closely related to the skate.

http://animals.jrank.org/pages/1952/Chimaeras-Sharks-Skates-Rays-Chondrichthyes-SPOTTED-RATFISH-Hydrolagus-colliei-SPECIES-ACCOUNTS.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hydrolagus_colliei_03.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Hydrolagus_colliei_03.jpg

[WhiteFeather]

All of my thanks Bill, and I applaud thee.


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[Mystique]

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Dear All,

This thread is about Rich Anderson's Arise and Shine detox cleanse.

All details are here...

http://ariseandshine.com

...but many readers will already know about it, or have experienced it personally.

It'd be interesting to hear intelligent, detailed feedback about people's experiences and benefits gained (or problems encountered).

I did this cleanse about 10 years ago, basically as a 9-day water fast using Rich Anderson's protocols, including twice-daily colonics -- for which I'd prepared by getting as alkaline as possible for a couple of weeks beforehand.

Nothing interesting 'came out' (I'm referring to the famous and controversial mucoid plaque here) -- but I felt pretty well cleaned out, and had always been interested in repeating the experience.

Now at Madre Tierra in Vilcabamba, I'm repeating the cleanse for 14 days -- this time having prepared for a month with an almost 100% raw food diet. I'm on day 6 of the cleanse, and am doing pretty well.

Again, nothing especially interesting has 'come out', but I'm certainly leaner, cleaner and trimmer in every way. I'm happy to continue to update folks on my progress and results. :)

I'd be most interested to hear from anyone's experiences of this kind of cleanse.

All best wishes, Bill
Hey Bill, I have taken this cleanse many times. I did it twice a year for about five years, for a month each time. And I especially did it before Vision Questing on Mt Shasta for a week.

I did get out a tremendous amount of what they refer to as "mucoid placque". Because of my experience, a number of my friends, a daughter and many of her friends have successfully taken the cleanse.

The only caution I have is that taken you have to be careful of the cascara sagrada (you can actually get the "chomper" without it) because it irritates the colon.

I had a colonoscopy after about five years taking the cleanse, and I had what they called "melanosis of the colon". The walls of the colon were stained instead of pink.

The Doctor said that if I continued to take the cleanse, eventually the staining would thin the colon wall and rupture it.

After going off the cleanse for a year I had another colonoscopy and the colon walls were pink and healthy again.

I haven't taken that cleanse since. I now do the "Oxy cleanse" using oxy-powder from Global Healing Center (www.oxypowder.com).

Oxy-powder uses nascent oxygen to "melt away compacted waste."

Their liver cleanse is gentler, and you actually get rid of gall stones (they turn out like soft green peas).

Note: I am also taking fermented ratfish (skatefish) oil; but haven't been on it enough to notice the difference- except more lucid dreaming.

[Dawn]

Quote Posted by Dawn (here)
As a breatharian at age 37 there was no need to ever eat again
WOW and thanks for your whole post.

Please say more!

Bill and Limor, I am happy to provide more information for you. I purposely did not do so earlier because this thread is about cleansing, not living on prana. I am happy to tell you of my personal experience.

About me: I took a course from the Berkeley Psychic Institute in August of 1986 in meditation. They taught a method which involved a few simple but profound steps. I'm going to write these here because, so many aware people on the forum could do this with ease. I think meditation was an important part of my process:

1) Create a grounding chord linking you to the center of the earth
2) Now bring the earth energy up through the balls of your feet, up your legs, and when it arrives at the 1st chakra allow it to fall down your grounding chord like water. So now you have an upside down "U" of energy going up through your legs and down your grounding chord.
3) From your crown reach up into the 'universe' with your awareness and find a frequency of 'cosmic' energy you like and invite it down through your crown, into your spine, and on downwards, finally exiting your grounding chord. This should run down the 'back channel' of your microcosmic orbit.
4) When this cosmic flow is strong, begin to mix it with the earth energy in an 80/20 ratio and bring this up the front channel of your microcosmic orbit. Each time it reaches a chakra as it travels upwards, hold your attention on that chakra until it begins to spin and balance. This energy will travel upwards in the front channel of the body, and when it reaches the crown it will exit and fountain out the top of the head, creating a shower of energy which cleans your outer auric field.

This type of meditation was referred to as 'running your energy'. It reverses the normal course of the microcosmic orbit. At at the end of a 30 minute meditation you will feel really clean and balanced inside as these channels open up flow without blockage.

Back to my story: After doing this for 90 days, I began to really enjoy it, and my meditations became longer and longer. One evening I sat for 6 hours doing this, and when I opened my eyes ... there was only light. I thought I had gone blind, however within 15-30 minutes I began to see vague shapes of the 3d world which would flicker in the light before vanishing again. (According to some things I have read, it is likely my 3rd eye had opened fully.) There was a lot of trauma and drama with this, because I saw all of creation, and all of the emptiness of it at the same time. Fitting back into 3d reality, when everything I saw kept vanishing within a few seconds, was very difficult for me. This state of affairs began to slowly return to the old 'normal' way of seeing very gradually... it took 9 years before I began to perceive things here as solid.

After this nirvikalpi samadhi (my research has shown me that this is what an event like this is called), life was very different. It took another year before I became a breatharian. During that year I no longer slept, however my body needed to lie down and rest for 1.5 hours daily. What was I to do during the long nights when the world around me was sleeping? I settled on hiking in the dark. So, every night for 9 years I headed into the Quicksilver Park, a nature preserve with 4,152 acres of wild, oak studded woodlands. In my heightened state, since the samadhi, many things were learned and seen. But, in my opinion the three most important which led my body to become a breatharian are

1) I hiked in the dark with and without shoes and off of the trails, which meant I was challenging my fears every night and learning to be courageous in every situation. Also, no weather stopped me, which encouraged my body to become impervious to temperature changes.

2) I was also getting a lot of exercise and being exposed to the energies of the natural world.

3) One more thing... I was internally led to frequently lie in the soft green meadows and do a meditation upon the death of my body. This was an ecstatic experience filled with great joy, where I would experience the freedom of the 3D body falling away, then disintegrating into atoms and molecules again which would then be used by other life forms in the 3D world to build their bodies.

The next spring, over a few days, I went through a transition where I no longer was aware of my heart as a 3D beating thing. Instead my heart became a spinning vortex located somewhere between where my old heart had been and where the third chakra had been. I could no longer hear my heart beat. I began to notice that breathing was an ecstatic experience. Each breath felt thick and warm. Although air came in and out of my nose, the important part of the breath came in through a chakra at the base of my skull. From there it contacted the tissue at the back of the throat (this was directly opposite to the back of the mouth cavity). This thick liquid breath (prana) flowed down through the body along the chi channels and fascia. Each breath felt like liquid love, and each breath was orgasmic.

The problem with this at the time was, that I found myself having a very difficult time connecting with other people. Their conversation seemed totally insane to me, and I also could not join them in the really big social events... which were always around food. I could not eat with my family, I could not have coffee with my co-workers (yes, I worked every day through this time), I could not go to lunch with friends, I could not go to dinner parties. Is this really true? No it is not, but I could not attend these things without looking like an outsider and seeming strange. After making up stories about having just eaten, having no appetite, and of being on a diet for a few months... I knew others were holding back from interacting with me. So I decided to eat again. Now this was not easy, because my body truly did not want to eat.... It fought me all the way.

When I finally got the first bite to go down and stay down without my body throwing it up and out again, I knew I was on the road to being able to interact socially with others. That first bite took over 90 minutes to get down and keep down. For about a year I was aware that all the life force in food was extracted in my mouth, from there it went through the same channels that breathing did. (entering the fascia and chi channels at the back of the throat) After chewing the food to extract this prana, what I swallowed was totally devoid of all nutrition and essentially dead decaying tissue that my body needed to deal with.

So there it is Bill, my story about how I became a breatharian and then gave it up. Here are the steps again, stated simply:
1) Run your energy daily
2) Get plenty of exercise
3) Remain in courage and find things you are scared of to overcome
4) Spent a lot of time in nature
5) Do 'death' meditations until they become ecstatic
6) Pay attention to the chakra at the back of your throat when you breath with the intention of opening it and breathing in prana

NOTE: The only place I have found this type of breathing discussed is in Diary of a Yogi, by Yogananda. He mentioned that he had ordered this method taught in his school to all the children there. He did this so that if there was ever a famine, they could survive easily without food.

There are a number of teachers who are working with students to help them make this transition. If you google breatharian you will find a number of links to these methods.

One last note: I have told this story a number of times, it has always met with silence. No one has ever asked me a question about any of it. Something in consciousness must be changing.... you actually asked me for information.

[Carolin]

Hmmmmm, interesting to see how many people here are fasting at this time. I started The Master Cleanser on Monday and will continue until I am fully detoxed (hopefully). At this point, day seven, I really feel like I'll never have to eat again.....I'm totally detached from food. Yesterday I even cooked some of my favourite foods for company and it really didn't bother me. My body has developed a zero tolerance to so many foods, eating has become like walking through a mine field. Hopefully after all the toxins are gone I'll be able to eat normally again.

[Limor Wolf]

Dawn,you took my breath away with this post! Thank you deeply for taking the time to write it and share your 'procedure' with us so eloquently.

There is so much more that I would like to ask you,and yet,I would'nt want to burden...

For now,some thoughts are rolling in my head... Extraterrestrials species (from the few sources that are known to us,especially via contactees/abductees like Alex coliier,and some channeled material) as far as we know,can sustain themselves without the need for food and hardly any sleep,they live on the abundant energy of the universe (what we call 'prana') therefore,can it be that those few breatherians individuals here are possibly simply attracted to live the way they used to not long ago ,before they entered the physical body? on the other hand,the majority of society,although contain a mixed DNA,is not yet able at this time,to operate as a food free beings because of the tenuous belonging to extraterrestrial life..

By what Dawn is describing,she had a profound metamorphosis and opening of chakras that led to her change in 'lifestyle',that means level of soul and movement of vibrations has to be higher in order to be able to connect to this flow of abundance.

I agree with Carolin,there is so much food intolorences right now and change of diets and eating habits,among everyone.where is the future leads us than? is it safe to say that as awarness grows,so does our bodies change? and are we going in a path that has never been experienced before in the known human history? Very interesting.

p.s

I have tried to become vegan in the last two years and did not succeed in that (being vegetarian since 10yrs) but two weeks ago something happend and I experienced the strong urge and inner knowing that I can not eat anything other than fruits,vagtables and seeds.I feel supported with this decision... It is probably all about timing.

while typing this post,I am reciving 1:11 on the computure.that usually implies that we are doing well talking about this in this manner.

[Bill Ryan]

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Dawn, your post above took my breath away too. :)

Important: I've created a new thread for it here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34696-Breatharianism-and-living-on-Prana-a-how-to-guide

This is only to keep this topic and the cleansing topic separate. Limor, I've copied half of your post to that thread as well. :)

[joamarks]

thanks bill for this thread. it's so important for me.
like dawn mention it earlier, when you walk this path of cleansing, your social life is getting stressed.
so its very soothing to find other people here find the importance to do a cleansing as well.

for me, the last 6 years (and particular 2010 and 2011) are all about food and detoxing.

i have tried to do without sugar, coffee, milk products, meat, etc,
i have tried supplements, mms, herbal Thea's, etc.
i have practiced juice fasting, colon cleansing, vegetarian, liver flushes, etc.

of course all these remedies helped a bit or even a lot. (especially the liver flush did some great work for me!)

the secret i have found in this experimenting to get more clean en energized is this:

(in particular order)

1 accept your body as a living spaceship where our consciousness is a guest
2 find the "voice command control" instead of reading all the different manuals and want to know the meaning behind every knob and light in the cockpit before you start.
3 love your body and give it what it wants. uncooked, unprocessed fruit, veggies, clean water to start with.
4 give the body plenty of rest, and while resting try to thank it for its efforts.
5 take long walks in nature.

these steps have learned me to perceive the world through my body.
it processes frequencies the eye does not behold.

in this change of perception, is the real healing taking place.

not by taking pills or punishment diets ;)

greetings from holland.

[grapevine]

I tried the Oxypowder cleanse twice, two years ago, two weeks apart. It did exactly what it said on the tin and nuked everything inside of me in one fell swoop. Only problem was that both times I suffered with palpitations the next day. I looked it up online and some other people said they suffered with palpitations although the answer was that it couldn't have been related. Hmmmm . . . . No lasting ill effects though . . . I still have a large tubful if anyone would like to email me their address - UK only please :) There's lots of information about it online and I looked at all the different brands before deciding.

Linda

[TOTHE]

Activator-X has been identified and found to be vitamin K-2. I don't know if anyone has brought this up yet.
I have been taking the K-2 (MK-7) which is the Natto Extract since 2 months after the Camelot interview. My health is great, but at my age I think my pineal gland has ossified into a rock. Maybe I should go to Tibet and have a Buddhist Monk stimulate it with a bamboo skewer? :-)

http://www.westonaprice.org/fat-soluble-activators/x-factor-is-vitamin-k2

To all who read this: I send you Light, Love, Tenacity and Courage.

[Connecting with Sauce]

For those looking for a good cleanse I can recommend the liver flush as written about by Andreas Moritz. I've just completed my 13th flush since starting in in old AV1 days... A thread is on AV2 with links to it. The largest liver blockage that came out was 40mm and also a load of dead parasites... Other detox methods are rebounding and FIR-saunaing as well as removing mercury from your diet/body...

[Connecting with Sauce]

NOTE: The only place I have found this type of breathing discussed is in Diary of a Yogi, by Yogananda. He mentioned that he had ordered this method taught in his school to all the children there. He did this so that if there was ever a famine, they could survive easily without food.

Dawn,

Thanks for the info. Is the book you mention, "AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF A YOGI - Paramahansa Yogananda" ? ...I hope so... I've just bought a copy :)

Another guy who was a breathanarian is David Jubb, he is also a proponent of urine therapy similar links to prana and urine... I really try and stay vegan/veggie as best I can...

I find the biggest issue with socialising isn't the food it's peoples ignorance and show me the hand to the kind of topics we openly discuss in PA.

John







Edit from Bill:

John, I copied this post over to the new thread devoted to this topic:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34696-Breatharianism-and-living-on-Prana-a-how-to-guide

It'll have the same timestamp, so may not be the most recent post on that popular thread.

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi, All: Day 10 of my ARISE AND SHINE cleansing fast here, and here's an update from me: :)

Doing well -- no unpleasant side-effects at all. Energy is holding up remarkably well. No desire to eat, and able to pretty much live life 'normally' (taking it fairly easily at the same time). i've had a couple of important phone calls, and an important meeting, and was able to operate totally as I usually would.

But I encountered a problem -- all my own fault. :help: !!

This may only make sense to those of you who are familiar with this cleanse. In essence, I was taking too much bentonite clay and psyllium husk, and not enough water during the day.

I became dehydrated without realizing it, and the clay and psyllium have compacted somewhere in my small intestine. I have some 5 x 10 oz glasses (5 heaped tablespoons of bentonite + 10 heaped teaspoons of psyllium) of this stuff -- which has not come out. It's all still in there. Yesterday I stopped taking any more, and drank broth, fresh juice, lots of water, and some senna tea. I have continued Rich Anderson's 'Chomper' herb regime. (4 capsules, with accompanying herbs, 5 times a day).

What's interesting (the scientist in me!) is this excellent short video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMA9nq5cNWc

In the video, detox consultant Michael Perrino explains convincingly and intelligently that the 'mucoid plaque', commonly reported by many who have done the ARISE AND SHNE cleanse, is just compacted, solidifed clay-and-psyllium that got stuck, having got caught up in the small intestine for a while (maybe even from last year's cleanse!!). This is not a bad thing that it comes out... as long as it comes out.

So I'm becoming fairly convinced that right this moment, because I allowed myself to get dehydrated during the cleanse and was taking a little too much clay and psyllium, I've been creating 'mucoid plaque' for the last two days. Not a pleasant thought.

Later today (I will water-fast beforehand) I'm going to try a salt-water flush, according to this protocol:

http://the-master-cleanse.net/Salt-Water-Flush/the-salt-water-flush.html

My thanks to Dawn for letting us know of this procedure, which I'd not heard of before. That certainly can do no harm. I'll keep you all posted. :)

[Limor Wolf]

Hello Bill, I am no expert in this. How about moderate physical activity like jumping up and down about 50 times every hour or so,it might contribute to speed up the digestive and blood system.

:target:

Is it possible for you,at this stage of the cleanup to drink some green high chlorophyll juice? It might serve to release those longtime friends after they gatherd so efficiently by the clay and psyllium (known with the need to drink pleanty of water when consuming them!)

Interesting video of the consultant Michael Perrino,I am learning a lot here!
thank you for sharing this procedure with us.hope some experts out there might be able to come up with some good advice for you

[bearcow]

carrot juice and aloe vera juice can help as well.

[Connecting with Sauce]

NOTE: The only place I have found this type of breathing discussed is in Diary of a Yogi, by Yogananda. He mentioned that he had ordered this method taught in his school to all the children there. He did this so that if there was ever a famine, they could survive easily without food.

Dawn,

Thanks for the info. Is the book you mention, "AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF A YOGI - Paramahansa Yogananda" ? ...I hope so... I've just bought a copy :)

Another guy who was a breathanarian is David Jubb, he is also a proponent of urine therapy similar links to prana and urine... I really try and stay vegan/veggie as best I can...

I find the biggest issue with socialising isn't the food it's peoples ignorance and show me the hand to the kind of topics we openly discuss in PA.

John







Edit from Bill:

John, I copied this post over to the new thread devoted to this topic:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34696-Breatharianism-and-living-on-Prana-a-how-to-guide

It'll have the same timestamp, so may not be the most recent post on that popular thread.

Thanks Bill,

With regards your blocked pipes :) as hinted at bouncing up and down or even rebounding can help and also a interestine massage int he direction of the large intestine may help get the system moving again... If it is in your small intestines it may help to do an enema to help the way ahead be cleared... Good luck!

Regarding rebounding I managed to get an excellent nearly new Bellicon rebounded from ebay :) which is superb and one of THE best ways to get the body energised, lymphatic system flowing, and the digestive muscles moving...

If you haven't done 2-3+ liver flushes I can HIGHLY recommend them to get the bile flow going after 4-5 flushes things really start moving more regularly most of my family now do them which is great and a really great immune system booster.

[joamarks]

hello bill, don't you worry about the little inconvenience of stalled goods in your interior.
what my father in law, the farmer, always say in situations like this....(also his first words when he heard the first time i made his daughter pregnant.)

son, what goes in, must come out!

the last thing to do is try different stuff. just take a rest, lay down and give your intestinal a thorough massage.
you start in the center of the belly and spiral anti clockwise your way around
then clockwise work your way up following the thick colon



http://www.ehow.com/video_6029343_natural-constipation-relief-through-massage.html

[Seikou-Kishi]

Those of you asking about decalcification of the pineal gland... it seems it's becoming a common idea; google considers "how to decalcify the pineal gland" more popular than "how to decalcify a kettle". It may not be much, but I took it as good news and thought I'd share :D

[Dawn]

Here is a way to get your colon to begin working to move stuff. It is a bit easier, and more effective than abdominal massage, in my opinion. This information was gifted to me by a hydro-colon therapist in Mt. Shasta.

Rub castor oil on your abdomen and then take a sheet or 2 of plastic wrap and cover your stomach. I have used a tight shirt over this to hold everything in place, but it isn't really necessary. Now use a heating pad or hot water bottle on your abdomen for 2-4 hours. (When I did this, I just cured up with a book for about 4 hours and enjoyed the warmth). Do this daily for 5 days and you will be as clean as a whistle inside.

What actually happens is that, for some reason, this stimulates strong intestinal muscle contractions. These were so strong in my case that I felt some discomfort for about an hour during the first day. These strong contractions will help everything that is lining your colon move along pretty quickly. It helps colonics do a much better job too.

I really feel for you, I have done the same thing in the past.... And I will NEVER do that again! Once created a memory to last a lifetime.

[Bill Ryan]

Rub castor oil on your abdomen and then take a sheet or 2 of plastic wrap and cover your stomach. I have used a tight shirt over this to hold everything in place, but it isn't really necessary. Now use a heating pad or hot water bottle on your abdomen for 2-4 hours. (When I did this, I just cured up with a book for about 4 hours and enjoyed the warmth). Do this daily for 5 days and you will be as clean as a whistle inside.

Thanks, Dawn! (And to everyone for their support and suggestions)

I will definitely do that. I did my first salt water cleanse (http://www.the-master-cleanse.net/Salt-Water-Flush/the-salt-water-flush.html) yesterday -- and very little happened, or came out. I was really quite surprised.

But my energy is still strong and stable - no hunger pangs or discomfort of any kind. Indeed, I do feel I could sustain this for a long time. I've lost a lot of weight, and I look like I did 5 years ago. None of this can be a bad thing. :)

[Jonathon]

If you have access to Oxy-Powder (http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/cleansing/oxy-powder.html) that would probably take care of it. Also available on amazon.

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi, All:

A rather overdue update -- as promised.

This is my first visit to the forum for over a week. I solved my strange problem (see above: I'd become dehydrated while taking the bentonite clay and psyllium, and had got very blocked up) -- with two days of salt water flushes, followed by some intensive deep massaging from a good friend who was acting as my colon therapist here.

I finished the cleanse some 10 days ago -- only because of another problem which manifested: quite serious deterioration of my eyesight. I felt that this had to be due to toxins released during the cleanse, though this is a pretty unusual side-effect.

I stayed off the computer for most of the time between then and now, only attending to a few important e-mails. To heal the problem, I gave myself Rife sessions every day, and augmented it with radionic treatment (from Scotland: it reaches here in Ecuador with no problem).

The result has been recovery enough for me to get back on the net, though I'm still taking it easy. The fun news is that I've lost 20 lbs, and feel great. My diet is still 80% raw fruit and veg, with the occasional rare steak for protein maintenance. And I've not drunk a single cup of coffee for over a month -- something that those who know me well might find almost impossible to believe.

:)

[Limor Wolf]

Good to see you back! Eyesight deterioration is not that rare when having changes in diet.has it return to its normal state?
Gave up cofee?,oh,How wonderfull will be that first sip...

All sound good.

[onawah]

So glad that all worked out for you, Bill.
I've been reluctant to do the psyllium/bentonite thing because of the very thing you experienced.

There is a current thread about juicing with more info here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35836-Juicing-vs.-Blending

I worked and studied with Viktoras Kulvinskas and his late wife, Youkta, both live foods vegan gurus, for about 5 years.
Viktoras was co-founder of the Hippocrates Health Institute with Ann Wigmore and is known as the "father of wheat grass therapy".
I am no longer strictly a live foods vegan, but I still do a lot of the things I learned then.

Possibly the most important component of my diet now is fresh aloe vera gel.
I buy a box of 25-33 lbs. of fresh aloe vera leaves every month and include one whole leaf, peeled (weighing about 1-1&1/2 lbs each) in my morning smoothie.
This particular kind of aloe is for consumption.
The taste is neutral, though the skin is very bitter.
You want to be sure you peel the leaves well, unless you want a good laxative and don't mind the bitter taste!
These can be purchased in most Mexican markets in the US, or ordered and shipped via UPS from Aloe Labs in Harlingen, Texas.
I'm not sure if it grows in Vilcabama.

I do not recommend the bottled aloe products, which have all, to my knowledge, been heat treated and most are adulterated with various substances.
But the fresh, raw aloe is a true miracle food.
It's good for so many things, and it is safer and better in the long run, I think, than oxygen powders for keeping the colon clean.
It's also very good for the immune system.
There was a study done at a University in Texas using patients with full blown cases of AIDS as subjects.
They found that after giving the patients fresh aloe every day, along with a healthy regimen of exercise and other healthy foods, the symptoms of AIDs were greatly relieved.

Wheat grass juice is another thing I still do regularly.
For me, it acts like a tonic.
It's a much better energy booster than coffee, with none of the side effects.

I juice regularly and take Spirulina and Royal Peruvian Maca in my morning smoothies with the aloe and fresh fruit juice and wheat grass juice.
Vegie juice with or instead of my early evening meal.

I did a 50 day juice fast once,lost a whole lot of weight (35 lbs.) and felt marvelous.
I included Spirulina, garlic, ginger and bee pollen in my juice, and sprouted alfalfa and clover.
I drank lots of water, and if I got hungry and couldn't get home in time for juice, I would eat an apple.
I worked out every other day for 2 hours or more.
A lot of the fat I lost was replaced by muscle, and I had no stretch marks or saggy skin.
After the first couple of days, I felt no hunger, I was on a natural high all the time.
Nothing bothered me or "stuck" to me.
It was made much easier to adhere to fasting because I made a pact with a friend to do it for a month, but I was able to continue longer, for 20 days more, even after my friend stopped.
The hardest part was weaning myself back onto solid food slowly.
Everything tasted heavenly!
I kept the weight off for a long time and it really was a life changing experience.
It cleaned a lot of toxins out of my body and I looked and felt a lot younger, with no bad sad effects whatsoever.
I'm about due for another one!

Some good articles on aloe here:
http://www.flp-aloevera.co.uk/Aloe_Vera_myth_or_medicine.htm
http://www.desertharvest.com/av-aids.html

[Sidney]

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Hi, All:

A rather overdue update -- as promised.

This is my first visit to the forum for over a week. I solved my strange problem (see above: I'd become dehydrated while taking the bentonite clay and psyllium, and had got very blocked up) -- with two days of salt water flushes, followed by some intensive deep massaging from a good friend who was acting as my colon therapist here.

I finished the cleanse some 10 days ago -- only because of another problem which manifested: quite serious deterioration of my eyesight. I felt that this had to be due to toxins released during the cleanse, though this is a pretty unusual side-effect.

I stayed off the computer for most of the time between then and now, only attending to a few important e-mails. To heal the problem, I gave myself Rife sessions every day, and augmented it with radionic treatment (from Scotland: it reaches here in Ecuador with no problem).

The result has been recovery enough for me to get back on the net, though I'm still taking it easy. The fun news is that I've lost 20 lbs, and feel great. My diet is still 80% raw fruit and veg, with the occasional rare steak for protein maintenance. And I've not drunk a single cup of coffee for over a month -- something that those who know me well might find almost impossible to believe.

:)

Holy Cow, That is really scary , I am glad you are feeling better. I have used the P & B before, and you really need to work up to the dosage you want. I started with a quarter teaspoon of the Psyllium and worked up to a tablespoon. And you have to chase it with lots of water to keep from clogging the pipes. Welcome back.

[Mike]

i've given up coffee myself due to heart issues, and i really missed it at first. i'd jealously watch as someone sipped a rich full-bodied starbucks, and after staring down at my watery decaf herbal tea i'd occasionally feel a cruel and sadistic desire to walk up to said individual and smack the coffee outta their hands out of sheer envy. now i didn't actually do this, mind you...;)

well, it's been 5-6 yrs and i feel liberated. i no longer 'need' it. i drive by the starbucks and dunkin-dnuts drive-thru's, watching all the caffeine addicts rubbing the sleep outta their eyes and i gotta say - i feel oddly satisfied. i was quite the caffeine addict, let me tell you.

as far as herbal cleanses go, they can really be quite harsh on the body. one has to actually be quite strong and healthy to endure one, which of course is rather ironic because most are doing them to improve or reclaim health. many odd symptoms are chalked up to excreted toxins, but this is not always the case. i speak from experience.

many do not know this, but you can also detox by eating raw or very rare meat. it's a slower, gentler process that isn't quite so hard on the body -not nearly as many undesirable side-effects.

there are a few great books on this. sam biser's 'resurrection' course comes to mind. they are, however, very expensive. Bill, if you (or anyone else here on Avalon) are interested i'd be happy to send them out as i no longer need them. i've read them so many times i've got it all practically memorized.

[grapevine]

So glad that all worked out for you, Bill.
I've been reluctant to do the psyllium/bentonite thing because of the very thing you experienced.

There is a current thread about juicing with more info here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35836-Juicing-vs.-Blending

I worked and studied with Viktoras Kulvinskas and his late wife, Youkta, both live foods vegan gurus, for about 5 years.
Viktoras was co-founder of the Hippocrates Health Institute with Ann Wigmore and is known as the "father of wheat grass therapy".
I am no longer strictly a live foods vegan, but I still do a lot of the things I learned then.

Possibly the most important component of my diet now is fresh aloe vera gel.
I buy a box of 25-33 lbs. of fresh aloe vera leaves every month and include one whole leaf, peeled (weighing about 1-1&1/2 lbs each) in my morning smoothie.
This particular kind of aloe is for consumption.
The taste is neutral, though the skin is very bitter.
You want to be sure you peel the leaves well, unless you want a good laxative and don't mind the bitter taste!
These can be purchased in most Mexican markets in the US, or ordered and shipped via UPS from Aloe Labs in Harlingen, Texas.
I'm not sure if it grows in Vilcabama.

I do not recommend the bottled aloe products, which have all, to my knowledge, been heat treated and most are adulterated with various substances.
But the fresh, raw aloe is a true miracle food.
It's good for so many things, and it is safer and better in the long run, I think, than oxygen powders for keeping the colon clean.
It's also very good for the immune system.
There was a study done at a University in Texas using patients with full blown cases of AIDS as subjects.
They found that after giving the patients fresh aloe every day, along with a healthy regimen of exercise and other healthy foods, the symptoms of AIDs were greatly relieved.

Wheat grass juice is another thing I still do regularly.
For me, it acts like a tonic.
It's a much better energy booster than coffee, with none of the side effects.

I juice regularly and take Spirulina and Royal Peruvian Maca in my morning smoothies with the aloe and fresh fruit juice and wheat grass juice.
Vegie juice with or instead of my early evening meal.

I did a 50 day juice fast once,lost a whole lot of weight (35 lbs.) and felt marvelous.
I included Spirulina, garlic, ginger and bee pollen in my juice, and sprouted alfalfa and clover.
I drank lots of water, and if I got hungry and couldn't get home in time for juice, I would eat an apple.
I worked out every other day for 2 hours or more.
A lot of the fat I lost was replaced by muscle, and I had no stretch marks or saggy skin.
After the first couple of days, I felt no hunger, I was on a natural high all the time.
Nothing bothered me or "stuck" to me.
It was made much easier to adhere to fasting because I made a pact with a friend to do it for a month, but I was able to continue longer, for 20 days more, even after my friend stopped.
The hardest part was weaning myself back onto solid food slowly.
Everything tasted heavenly!
I kept the weight off for a long time and it really was a life changing experience.
It cleaned a lot of toxins out of my body and I looked and felt a lot younger, with no bad sad effects whatsoever.
I'm about due for another one!

Some good articles on aloe here:
http://www.flp-aloevera.co.uk/Aloe_Vera_myth_or_medicine.htm
http://www.desertharvest.com/av-aids.html

Would love to do a fast but I'm a bit scared of detox crises. Did you first start with shorter fast and work up slowly, or did you just go for the Full Monty straight off?

[onawah]

No, I worked up to it. I was primarily a live foods vegan for about a year before the 50 day fast, and I did a lot of juicing during that time.
But everybody's different, and it depends a lot on your determination.
If you feel yucky after a few days, you probably won't be able to stay on it anyway, so if you really want to do it, I'd encourage you to give it a try.
Good luck! :tea:

[Daft Ada]

Well done Bill nice to see you back mate, Your health is more important than this place, without that you have nothing, believe me I really really know.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I like learning about nutrition and supplements. If there are other threads like this, someone please link them here. Thanks. Other good websites, too. I give myself a "C" in nutrition and want to do better. (I think the average American gets a D-Minus :p )

[onawah]

BTW, not all castor oils are alike. Some are toxic.
Home Health brand cold processed castor oil is good.
That brand carries a lot of Edgar Cayce's natural remedies.



Rub castor oil on your abdomen and then take a sheet or 2 of plastic wrap and cover your stomach. I have used a tight shirt over this to hold everything in place, but it isn't really necessary. Now use a heating pad or hot water bottle on your abdomen for 2-4 hours. (When I did this, I just cured up with a book for about 4 hours and enjoyed the warmth). Do this daily for 5 days and you will be as clean as a whistle inside.

Thanks, Dawn! (And to everyone for their support and suggestions)

I will definitely do that. I did my first salt water cleanse (http://www.the-master-cleanse.net/Salt-Water-Flush/the-salt-water-flush.html) yesterday -- and very little happened, or came out. I was really quite surprised.

But my energy is still strong and stable - no hunger pangs or discomfort of any kind. Indeed, I do feel I could sustain this for a long time. I've lost a lot of weight, and I look like I did 5 years ago. None of this can be a bad thing. :)

[Mu2143]

Himalaya Liksteen 2-3 kg
http://www.agradi.nl/stal-erf/watervoorziening/drinkbak/lepeldrinkbakken/product/1025722/648?s2m_type=3&s2m_channel=75

Colostrum is the "immune milk" produced by all mammals for only the first few hours before and after birth. Supercharged with 97 immune factors and 87 growth factors, Colostrum is nature's "first food". It's adaptogenic properties enhance rejuvination and regeneration while strengthening the immune system, allowing your body to thrive under any circumstance.
http://rawfoodsuperfood.com/colostrum-1-kg.html

Insulin-like Growth Factors 1 and 2 (IGF-1 and IGF-2)
IGF-1 and IGF-2 increase lean body mass, reduce fat, build bone, muscle, and nerves while assisting in glucose metabolism. Research indicates that IGF-1 encourages the absorption of both chondroitin and glucosamine sulfate. Research also shows that a decline in IGF-1 levels is among the causes of bone disorder development. IGF-1 is considered by many scientists to be a marker in overall growth hormone status. IGF-1 looks and acts enough like insulin that your cell receptors may become suppressed, causing growth hormones to release stored fat. Through this mechanism, cells will use up fat rather than sugar or other carbohydrates. IGF-2 promotes tissue growth and is expressed primarily in embryonic and neonatal tissues.

http://rawfoodsuperfood.com/immortal-velvet-gold-deer-antler-30-ml.html

[Bill Ryan]

post pics of yourself when your finished a before and after would be great...hope that's not an inappropriate request..

OK -- only by special request!

http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_2011.jpg

[joamarks]

Colostrum is the "immune milk" produced by all mammals for only the first few hours before and after birth. Supercharged with 97 immune factors and 87 growth factors, Colostrum is nature's "first food". It's adaptogenic properties enhance rejuvination and regeneration while strengthening the immune system, allowing your body to thrive under any circumstance.
http://rawfoodsuperfood.com/colostrum-1-kg.html

Insulin-like Growth Factors 1 and 2 (IGF-1 and IGF-2)
IGF-1 and IGF-2 increase lean body mass, reduce fat, build bone, muscle, and nerves while assisting in glucose metabolism. Research indicates that IGF-1 encourages the absorption of both chondroitin and glucosamine sulfate. Research also shows that a decline in IGF-1 levels is among the causes of bone disorder development. IGF-1 is considered by many scientists to be a marker in overall growth hormone status. IGF-1 looks and acts enough like insulin that your cell receptors may become suppressed, causing growth hormones to release stored fat. Through this mechanism, cells will use up fat rather than sugar or other carbohydrates. IGF-2 promotes tissue growth and is expressed primarily in embryonic and neonatal tissues.

http://rawfoodsuperfood.com/immortal...ler-30-ml.html

jez.... these prices makes me even more sick :p

bizarre... 179,- for a kilo

greetings from holland

[WhiteFeather]

Awesome News Bill. Do you feel more enlightened Spiritually, if i may ask. And also have you researched or utilized Shilajit? Kindred, An Avalon Member Here sent me some info on this with regards to decalcifying The 3rd Eye. I have also been using The Skatefish Oil You Recommended, Thanks.... been dreaming heavily in the last few weeks.
http://www.jivaka.com/org/docs/paper/Talbert%20Paper.pdf

[nomadguy]

Seems that Detox is fairing you quite well.
Bill, did you happen to notice any increase in sensitivity(senses) now that you have been on this Detox?

[onawah]

You definitely look more radiant, Bill!
Transfer Factor is something I've been taking for awhile. It's derived from Colostrum.
http://transferfactor.com/us/faq
My doctor recommended it to me after he told me that I had Chronic Fatigue and Fibromyalgia, most likely from a Rhesus Monkey virus contaminated Polio Vaccine.
He did some research on how other doctors on the the cutting edge are dealing with the "stealth viruses" that TPTW have been infecting us with in their stealthly methods, and found Transfer Factor to be getting good results. He also said his other patients with similar maladies were getting good results.
It's the factor in colostrum that "educates" the immune system in what to attack. Apparently our immune systems lose that ability as we age.
I have no doubt there are other things in colostrum that are very beneficial, but TF is more affordable now that Source Naturals brand is selling it for a much better price than the original company, 4Life, that had a patent on it.
I have been reading more about Nattokinase and want to try that.
Does anyone know how the Vitamin K in it compares to the Vit K the fish oil that Pete Petersen recommends?

[CeltMan]

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Hi, All:

A rather overdue update -- as promised.

This is my first visit to the forum for over a week. I solved my strange problem (see above: I'd become dehydrated while taking the bentonite clay and psyllium, and had got very blocked up) -- with two days of salt water flushes, followed by some intensive deep massaging from a good friend who was acting as my colon therapist here.

I finished the cleanse some 10 days ago -- only because of another problem which manifested: quite serious deterioration of my eyesight. I felt that this had to be due to toxins released during the cleanse, though this is a pretty unusual side-effect.

I stayed off the computer for most of the time between then and now, only attending to a few important e-mails. To heal the problem, I gave myself Rife sessions every day, and augmented it with radionic treatment (from Scotland: it reaches here in Ecuador with no problem).

The result has been recovery enough for me to get back on the net, though I'm still taking it easy. The fun news is that I've lost 20 lbs, and feel great. My diet is still 80% raw fruit and veg, with the occasional rare steak for protein maintenance. And I've not drunk a single cup of coffee for over a month -- something that those who know me well might find almost impossible to believe.

:)

Hi Bill,

Pleased that the health plan is working for you.

I can certainly relate to the deteriorating eyesight probs.

I have had my own 'nightmares' this year also with my eyesight.

First noticed it around April (warm here)
One of the 'small free pleasures' -that I enjoy, is sitting at bottom of garden and reading.
This year..NO WAY!!

That was virtually impossible!

The glare from the sunlight off the pages was painful.

Also, trying to read the text on emails, etc, even with my varifocals, became an ardeous task.

Typical bloke, I put it off until August then went for thorough eye tests.

Strangely, my general eyesight had Not deteriorated,(over 5 years) BUT I was diagnosed with advanced cattaracts., in Both eyes.
Not helped when the optician stated "I would NOT advise surgery, as a lot of ops go wrong! (If he had read my mind: "There IS NO WAY I AM GOING TO GO BLIND!!!!")

Fortunately for me, my son had included me on his private health insurance with his work/company (Bless his cotton socks!)

So, jumping ahead 3 months, Both eyes sucessfully operated on, -still need specs for computer work and some reading, but not driving.

The worst time was during/between the two ops. I was then aware of just how severe my eyesight probs were.
I was looking at the computer screen, with my (Old weak eye) now repaired, and my right (strong) eye, with spec lense..and it was like peering at the world through a dirty net curtain!

I have now adjusted psychologically to the 'new eyes/vision'

Re the 'diet/detox plan', I am also very interested to read about this, for my own application.
Underactive thyroid, diagnosed about 5 years ago. Have put on over 2 stones, which will not(so far) shift.

5/6 years ago, I was still about 0.75 stone overweight, ...... but fit enough to beat a Russian girlfriend up a 100 metre slope(and she was 22 years younger than me! & she jogged 5K every day!)
I would not like to try that today!

Cheers

p.s. Your ref to 'Rat Fish oil' I found very interesting. I believe we sourced that from the same Pete Peterson material, which I saw about 2 years back.
I wud be very interested in hearing your findings on its affectiveness.

[OnyxKnight]

I'd like to add a bit about my experience here. As a breatharian at age 37 there was no need to ever eat again, however I chose to start eating so that I could share the socializing that goes on around meals and cafes.

Oh, you don't need food, you just consume it so you can "fit in" with the mold, huh? Otherwise you are a full blown "breatharian"?


I believe eating is extremely hard on the body, and is responsible for many symptoms that we think of as 'aging'.

Aging has a genetic cause. Food has nothing to do with it.

Without food - CELLS DIE. You are not a plant. And even plants use minerals, salts and water for sustenance.


I don't believe that my body is balanced and healthy enough to go back to this right now, so I am currently an eater.

Oh how convenient, but you still made a "How-to-starve-yourself-to-death" guide?


I used internal salt water bathing for the first 7 days in order to offset the toxicity headaches that can ensue if the bowels are not clean in a fast. I highly recommend this for people in beginning a fast, it can make a BIG difference in comfort. ....
For people who are not in a physical or financial place to do daily colonics, the internal salt water bath does the same thing. But instead of being washed out by a colonic with a hose up your a$$, the bath starts at your mouth and washes through the entire digestive system. This is inexpensive and effective, however you must stay very close to a toilet for several hours on the days you are doing it. Here is a link to the info on this practice: http://www.viruz.com/internal-salt-water-bathing-salt-water-wash/

What Dawn here forgot to mention, is the side effects and the health issues that arise with the use of salt water. I wonder why.

Salt and water are crucial things we need to consume, but they don't go well in pair. Especially in a digestive system that hasn't seen food in some time.

It can cause pain in the digestive canals, dehydration and BRAIN DAMAGE.



I chose to eat again because I was going into a community retreat setting and I felt the desire to be part of the community in everything, including meals.

^ ^ ^ Before you take this with a grain of salt and water (pardon the pun), make sure you get the nasty side of the story too.

There is not one, ONE, documented case of successful sustenance on a breatharian principle. Not even in the alternative community. Because it doesn't pass scientific examination. Most people don't want to participate in such research in order to verify the authenticity of what they claim.

Also, those that did chose to document their cases, have been proven to be fake, having somebody sneak food and water to them etc.

Most also refuse to do independent research on the case they are making.

Those who actually were crazy enough to try the real thing, ended up dead. Yes, DEAD. They starved themselves to death. You can Google it.

[OnyxKnight]

I finished the cleanse some 10 days ago -- only because of another problem which manifested: quite serious deterioration of my eyesight. I felt that this had to be due to toxins released during the cleanse, though this is a pretty unusual side-effect.

Its from the salt water intake. You have sustained brain damage.

[joamarks]

Re: Richard Anderson's ARISE AND SHINE detox cleanse
Posted by Dawn (here)
I'd like to add a bit about my experience here. As a breatharian at age 37 there was no need to ever eat again, however I chose to start eating so that I could share the socializing that goes on around meals and cafes.
Oh, you don't need food, you just consume it so you can "fit in" with the mold, huh? Otherwise you are a full blown "breatharian"?

Posted by Dawn (here)
I believe eating is extremely hard on the body, and is responsible for many symptoms that we think of as 'aging'.
Aging has a genetic cause. Food has nothing to do with it.

Without food - CELLS DIE. You are not a plant. And even plants use minerals, salts and water for sustenance.

Posted by Dawn (here)
I don't believe that my body is balanced and healthy enough to go back to this right now, so I am currently an eater.
Oh how convenient, but you still made a "How-to-starve-yourself-to-death" guide?

Posted by Dawn (here)
I used internal salt water bathing for the first 7 days in order to offset the toxicity headaches that can ensue if the bowels are not clean in a fast. I highly recommend this for people in beginning a fast, it can make a BIG difference in comfort. ....
For people who are not in a physical or financial place to do daily colonics, the internal salt water bath does the same thing. But instead of being washed out by a colonic with a hose up your a$$, the bath starts at your mouth and washes through the entire digestive system. This is inexpensive and effective, however you must stay very close to a toilet for several hours on the days you are doing it. Here is a link to the info on this practice: http://www.viruz.com/internal-salt-w...lt-water-wash/
What Dawn here forgot to mention, is the side effects and the health issues that arise with the use of salt water. I wonder why.

Salt and water are crucial things we need to consume, but they don't go well in pair. Especially in a digestive system that hasn't seen food in some time.

It can cause pain in the digestive canals, dehydration and BRAIN DAMAGE.

Posted by Dawn (here)
I chose to eat again because I was going into a community retreat setting and I felt the desire to be part of the community in everything, including meals.
^ ^ ^ Before you take this with a grain of salt and water (pardon the pun), make sure you get the nasty side of the story too.

There is not one, ONE, documented case of successful sustenance on a breatharian principle. Not even in the alternative community. Because it doesn't pass scientific examination. Most people don't want to participate in such research in order to verify the authenticity of what they claim.

Also, those that did chose to document their cases, have been proven to be fake, having somebody sneak food and water to them etc.

Most also refuse to do independent research on the case they are making.

Those who actually were crazy enough to try the real thing, ended up dead. Yes, DEAD. They starved themselves to death. You can Google it.

hello onyxknight,

when i read your comment i directly looked if you were so kind to put your age in your profile. luckily you did, because otherwise i would probably be less subtle in my reaction. (in fact , this was my most picky comment on this matter ;) )


Its from the salt water intake. You have sustained brain damage.

firstly, you can't prognoses somebody on so less info, (just drinking salt water on a fast time) that somebody has suffered brain damage.
even if it's true.


secondly, your "opinion" hasn't earned any right or respect without sharing your own experiences.

so let me ask you a question:" did you ever have in your life, a FREE WILL fast period of more than, let say, 7 days?"

(free will means not by sickness or poor wealth or past on to you by a guru)

greetings from holland

[gracieuse]

hey folks, i have a question regarding the salt water flush of the colon. I have tried it once, and was aghast at the sewage that came out of my system. the second time, which was today, it seems most of the fluids have gotten lost somewhere in my system ??

I also realised with the cleanse we do not take out only the harmful bacteria/parasites, but also those we need in our digestive track. How do you restore your internal flora? And are the oxygen pills mentioned earlier an alternative that does not destroy the flora?

[Ultima Thule]

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Re mucoid plaque, I highly recommend this discussion on another specialist cleansing forum:

http://themastercleanse.com/forum/showthread.php?551-MUCOID-PLAQUE-FACT-OR-FRAUD

This is pretty much the most intelligent and interesting discussion I've encountered on any forum -- including this one. It's exactly the way dialog should be conducted. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED for anyone who's interested in this cleansing topic.

This is possibly a trivial bit of information, but here goes:
psyllium is a rich source in monosaccharides and polysaccharides, which in their very essence are able to bind and attach, hence the idea of psyllium(+ the bentonite) would make good candidates for forming the mucoid plaque.

Whether the question then really is about mucoid plaque being claimed as waste product of the human body or a scam is actually a bit irrelevant imo. I would lean towards the mucoid plaque being the product of psyllium&bentonite, but more importantly I would figure them being good candidates to attaching themselves on to bacteria & other microbes and flushing them out.

Therefore imho to say the mucoid plaque being what has resided in body in that mucoid form and is coming out, is a false statement, but to say that the mucoid plaque doesn´t have a meaning or function in that process and dismiss it completely as a scam would be equally false and beside the point.

I hope I just made a point.

UT

[WhiteFeather]

IMO heres the Bump of the day. Some good info on Decalcifying The Pine Cone, or 3rd eye, if you will.