If a person was to be cloned wher ewill his /her soul come from?

[blue777]

If a person or animal is cloned where do their souls come from?.........where do our souls come from?
Are they sent from different constellations? , from a higher consciousness/, from our parents?
from somewhere else.
This is a very small poll and it is really just to see how people are thinking and has no scientific basis.It will be interesting to see what the replies will be
many thanks
blue

[john.d]

My personal opinion is that the body is just a vehicle . If it was cloned , it would just be another vehicle (not the person) . As for where the soul comes from ...... time space resonates with me :)

John

[blue777]

My personal opinion is that the body is just a vehicle . If it was cloned , it would just be another vehicle (not the person) . As for where the soul comes from ...... time space resonates with me :)

John

Thanks John, therefore you are saying it comes from space consciousness
regards
blue
have you tried the mini poll
would we survive without a soul?

[Luke]

there ain't no such thing as a being without a soul

I think you're thinking too linear :)

[blue777]

there ain't no such thing as a being without a soul

I think you're thinking too linear :)

Can you explain where the soul comes from?
lol

[Bill Ryan]

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For goodness sakes: they come from the same 'place' as all other souls come from.

Bodies are literally like cars (our vehicles): new ones and old ones. They are big, small, fast, slow, all different colors and styles, and none of them last forever.

We are the drivers. You might as well ask: "where does the new driver come from if you clone your car?"

(Answer: one will certainly come along - there are ALWAYS drivers looking for new cars.)

Blue, many thanks for your contributions - but this really is a pretty stupid poll. :)

[blue777]

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For goodness sakes: they come from the same 'place' as all other souls come from.

Bodies are literally like cars (our vehicles): new ones and old ones. They are big, small, fast, slow, all different colors and styles, and none of them last forever.

We are the drivers. You might as well ask: "where does the new driver come from if you clone your car?"

Blue, many thanks for your contributions - but this really is a pretty stupid poll. :)

ok bill I understand.....i was just wondering where cloned people and animals get their souls from literally
quote
For goodness sakes: they come from the same 'place' as all other souls come from.........and WHERE IS THAT?
quote:We are the drivers. You might as well ask: "where does the new driver come from if you clone your car?"...he she may come from the constellation Pleiades
regards
blue

[Luke]

As i said .. linear.Have you heard about Flatland ?? Little guide here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWyTxCsIXE4
"Where" is a concept applicable for for material world, which is as a subset of "reality" as Flatland is.
Think it's generaly recognized that "soul" is concept from "higher" level than that.
So asking where do our souls from is like asking this lil flatlander to point on the map of flatland where he went.
Or you can just take "anywhere they happen to be before/after" (as time, future and past are also linear concepts)
Btw, look who posted the vid, maybe They are trying to say that too ? :) :)

[blue777]

As i said .. linear.Have you heard about Flatland ?? Little guide here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWyTxCsIXE4
"Where" is a concept applicable for for material world, which is as a subset of "reality" as Flatland is.
Think it's generaly recognized that "soul" is concept from "higher" level than that.
So asking where do our souls from is like asking this lil flatlander to point on the map of flatland where he went.
Or you can just take "anywhere they happen to be before/after" (as time, future and past are also linear concepts)
Btw, look who posted the vid, maybe They are trying to say that too ? :) :)

yes I understand that, but no-one is answering the question where do our souls come from?......and if it is from a higher source ..what is that higher source?
lol
blue

[Jacqui D]

Souls ultimately come from higher source we are part of that higher source, creator source if you wish, souls are tied into our parents dna some have cellular memory of birthing contracts, so when the soul comes in to the body vehicle it is part of that families dna gene coding.

[blue777]

Souls ultimately come from higher source we are part of that higher source, creator source if you wish, souls are tied into our parents dna some have cellular memory of birthing contracts, so when the soul comes in to the body vehicle it is part of that families dna gene coding.


hello jaquie
Souls ultimately come from higher source...what is that higher source?
lol
blue

[TraineeHuman]

Your soul is simply who you really are, at any given moment or even, indeed, beyond time. You don't "have" a soul. You simply are a soul.

The more you find out about who you really are, the fuller an answer you have to this question.

[blue777]

Your soul is simply who you really are, at any given moment or even, indeed, beyond time. You don't "have" a soul. You simply are a soul.

The more you find out about who you really are, the fuller an answer you have to this question.

who are you? and if the soul is light and sound at the atomic level , where does this come from?
lol
blue

[Luke]

So the question should be something like "soul mechanics" :)
It seems to me that Mr. Ryan answered this question as per cloning; some soul from a pool of those being in position to get in do so.
How the souls get there, well, this is less concrete. As far as I understand that: Somewhere in multiverse there is a a "point" where there is an identity: all is one, one is all; many refer to that point as a Source, and are using it for point of reference. Then is the flow of consciousness(es) from that "singularity", in and out, throughout reality, which basically is what "reality" is composed of. Flow has no universal "density", which results in that there are parts where flow is dense, and where it's approaching "vacuum". The more differentiated the flow , the more "identity" it possess. Close to the Source, consciousness/identity/soul spans greater part of "reality" (or identifies itself with greatest part of things that be). As stream or river there are parts where flow parts itself, and there are parts where it merges. When talking souls available here, we're talking about "streams" flows through our reality "plane", creating images we perceive as things (among other illusions).
That of course is just an approximate mental image of the thing, that is available from my current vantage point. It's a map, and not done by professional cartographer, please do not confuse it with the territory.
Or at least, that is what I here, now, think. :)
(this probably qualifies as somewhere else, no ? )

[Jacqui D]

A soul,fragmentation from god source entering a body vehicle and experiencing a life, hope this helps blue 777,


Downstepping - Vibrational Downstepping - Evolutionary Determinism)
When the original Stream of Consciousness enters the dimensionalized structures of the Time Matrix its original arrangement and Fire Letters break down, fragmenting its consciousness through the dimensional scale producing new forms of individuation.

This process is called Stair Step Creation or Vibrational Downstepping. (A process of exponential fractalization).

(The Tangible Structure of the Soul - Lecture Transcripts. Page 7)

All initially emerged from the Eternal State of Pure Consciousness. This “model” of reality is called “Evolutionary Determinism,” or the “Stair-Step Creation” model.

(Introductory Topics Summary 1 - AzuritePress.com)

(See: Stair-Step-Creation Graphic popup window)

The process of Stair Step Creation can be viewed as a singular beam of light and sound, holographically refracting within the scalar fields of the Time Matrix, spreading itself into multiple beams. ('Sacred Rays').

Each new beam of light and sound consciousness, that is formed through the splitting of the original consciousness, retains part of the original Fire Letter design of the original Stream of Consciousness.

It also creates new, smaller, streams that manifest as further differentiated identities and manifest forms.

In relation to human form the structure of dimensionalized consciousness takes the form of the 15 dimensional identities of the Time Matrix structure.

The various structures of multi-dimensional human consciousness exists as forms of sentient awareness, identities possessing attributes and form, characteristic of the dimensions on which they appear.

(See: Hova Bodies)

(The Tangible Structure of the Soul - Lecture Transcripts. Page 7)

God-Source perpetually sets manifestation in motion through engaging its awareness in the process of Vibrational Downstepping, or Thought Formation.

Downstepping occurs through contracting the consciousness into a singular point of focus, a "creation intention" or "thought vibration", to create the first individuation of attention; Stillpoint Creation-Point.

Downstepping is how Source replicates Self down into smaller parts (while still maintaining the eternal life mathematical encryption and connection to Source) so that Source can experience and learn on many different levels of existence.

The full quantum of Source is so powerful that replication but with lesser quantum is needed in order to maintain integrity for the many smaller systems that are always within but hold differentiation with Source

This pattern of downstepping created through Deflection Fields is how frequency currents down step throughout creation. On one level Source manifests as electrical expanding, oscillating currents and on the next level the currents of Source deflect to become opposite magnetic contracting or vibrating currents.

God-Source sets creation in motion through perpetually engaging part of its awareness in Vibrational Downstepping, by which the Cosmic Eternal Life Creation is formed.

Source creates the first downstepping, and through this process creates Within Itself:

The ManU - 1st PKI - Void Eternal Stillpoint

The EirA - 1st PCM - pre-sound vibration - Divine Mother Creation Seed - Contracting receiving force.

The ManA - 1st PKA - pre-light, Divine Father Creation Spark - Expanding Transmitting Force.

(Cosmic Clock Module Handbook)

Through the 8 Hova Body structure Microcosmic and Macrocosmic life fields are intimately interconnected and intertwined, forming a Universal Unified Field of Consciousness expressed in the form of aware-ized energy, through which consciousness can perceive itself in objectification.

In the manifestation process of Stair Step Creation, the entire Primal Substance of the universe itself is a conscious, living manifestation of the Omnipresent identity of God-Source, expressed in the form of energetic thought constructions, and thus all things manifest are living expressions of the Identity of God.

Scientific understanding of the universal physics inherent to the Stair Step Creation process allow us to spiritually comprehend that God is not a far-distant, or perhaps "dead", patriarchal authoritarian creator that "once upon a time created us".

The living fields of specifically ordered energy, through which a central God-Source expresses ITs consciousness in the form of manifestation, show us that God is a living Omnipresent Spirit that perpetually manifests as it moves through all things at all times, and that creation itself is continually and perpetually occurring.

The scientific dynamics of Stair Step Creation imply the spiritual condition that God resides within and expresses directly through the human being, and exists within every manifest and non-manifest form in the exterior and interior worlds.

It also implies that the worlds of external perception and finite beings are not the "real" reality, but rather thought-form constructs that appear to be real to individuated portions of God's eternal consciousness that are ensconced within them.

In truth, these objectified worlds of form represent a holographic playground, contained within the creative mind of God-Source, which is the only real reality, through which God-as-living-Consciousness expresses its desire to know and explore ITself AS infinite forms of creation.

God IS all things. Through demonstrating the spiritual and scientific union of all things, the Stair Step Creation model also implies that everyone and everything belongs, and has a rightful place of honor and due respect, within the ONENESS of Creation.

[blue777]

How the souls get there, well, this is less concrete. As far as I understand that: Somewhere in multiverse there is a a "point" where there is an identity: all is one, one is all; many refer to that point as a Source, and are using it for point of reference. Then is the flow of consciousness(es) from that "singularity", in and out, throughout reality, which basically is what "reality" is composed of. Flow has no universal "density", which results in that there are parts where flow is dense, and where it's approaching "vacuum". The more differentiated the flow , the more "identity" it possess. Close to the Source, consciousness/identity/soul spans greater part of "reality" (or identifies itself with greatest part of things that be). As stream or river there are parts where flow parts itself, and there are parts where it merges. When talking souls available here, we're talking about "streams" flows through our reality "plane", creating images we perceive as things (among other illusions).
That of course is just an approximate mental image of the thing, that is available from my current vantage point. It's a map, and not done by professional cartographer, please do not confuse it with the territory.
Or at least, that is what I here, now, think. :)
(this probably qualifies as somewhere else, no ? )

thank you saico for your excellent reply.....
quote?where is this point exactly?if it is the singualrity , is it the big bang or the black hole? , and is the soul positive or negative then?

[Luke]

is it the big bang or the black hole?
Neither are "The Real McCoy" in a sense I think of;
Black hole , if there is such a thing, looks like a "matter drain" that might be paired with "outflow" (theoretical white hole). Or might be something else. As far as I know, many scientists think that's just a theoretical construct conjured up to fill gaps in current "timespace" theory (though it taken a place in culturosphere for good it seems)
Big Bang , if, again, there is such a thing, seems to be a fractal image of "source" for our reality sub-set,
Technically source is all what we perceive, and all else too, combined, everywhere and nowhere, everyone being no-one .. well, really, as cryptic as you can get

is the soul positive or negative then?
positive and negative are just perceptions of value, according to local "rules of the game". Whatever you pick, you'll be both right and wrong .. :P
As far as I know, they simply are.

[blue777]

Neither are "The Real McCoy" in a sense I think of;
Black hole , if there is such a thing, looks like a "matter drain" that might be paired with "outflow" (theoretical white hole). Or might be something else. As far as I know, many scientists think that's just a theoretical construct conjured up to fill gaps in current "timespace" theory (though it taken a place in culturosphere for good it seems)
Big Bang , if, again, there is such a thing, seems to be a fractal image of "source" for our reality sub-set,
Technically source is all what we perceive, and all else too, combined, everywhere and nowhere, everyone being no-one .. well, really, as cryptic as you can get

positive and negative are just perceptions of value, according to local "rules of the game". Whatever you pick, you'll be both right and wrong .. :P
As far as I know, they simply are.
Thanks saico,
therefore if the soul is your higher self and it was negative , you would have negative thoughts of pride vanity selfishness etc
lol
blue

[cloud9]

Every Soul divides itself in many aspects as a gem with many facets and each one of these facets takes a vehicle or form, there's no limit as to how many facets can be experiencing physical life at the same time, some of them can be living in different dimensions, planets, realities, etc. As in higher dimensions time doesn't exist, you can be living as human and reptilian at the same time in 2 different locations in the universe, you can be experiencing life as a tree or insect too or even experiencing life as another human being in the other side of the world.
Now, the whole Soul that manages all the facets is the Over Soul or Higher Self, in the dimension it exists, it has all the knowledge in the universe and somehow we can think of it as our personal God.
That's why we are all ONE.
If a clone was made, any Soul can decide to take the chance of "experiencing" life that way. Remember that even beings who are born with terrible deformities have a soul, all opportunities for experiencing the physical plane are appreciated and taken.

[Anchor]

Thanks blue777. I cannot pick a poll answer, but I have some words.

I love the hard questions - they stretch me and make interesting thoughts happen. Thanks!!

This is what I think:

Souls (an individualized soul-matrix) are created once, and exist until merged with the source from whence they came.

In order for a soul to become incarnate in a 2nd or 3rd density physical expression, certain electromagnetic resonance, tuning and cosmic alignment needs to occur so that the expression found matches the expression sought by the soul.

It is conceivable to me that that could be a "clone" body - and with enough knowledge, the process of bringing about the conditions whereby a soul can enter could be made to happen via advanced metaphysical manipulation.

This by the way hints at the potential usefulness of astrology in connecting the dots as to ones life context and mission.

John..

[Rimbaud]

Hi friend Blue,

I concur with Bills comments...the body only being a vehicle etc. If you're looking for a deeper meaning..Google "The Erasmus Foundation" and read what the late Lady Padina Cole had to say about it. I was lucky enough to meet the lady a few years before she died. if she were still alive, she'd be a totally monumental figure on these pages...despite only being about five feet tall lol!

Hope some of your quest is answered there!

Be well friend

Rimbaud

[frank samuel]

Souls at least from what I understand exist beyond the realm of space and time, in other words you might say is temporally connected to your body but it dwells outside of your body. A question I have always have a hard time answering is, was all souls an instant creation ? I suspect before the many dimensions, parallel universes, the ether plane existed and as these realms where created it became our playing ground if you will.You might say that this has become a type of school where the development of our souls can grow by leaps and bounds if we learn to size the moment. Unfortunately in general we see the 3 dimensional existence as our sole reality ignoring our real identity outside of this realm.One thing I am certain of from my own personal experience is all ether is connected to the creator source, whether you can recollect this experience or not. One day we will wake up from this temporal dream letting the real you,(your soul), be the subject over your 3 dimensional body and then we will rediscover our true self.

Many many blessings to all.:wub:

[Moemers]

So, piggy-backing on this, here's my question.

In the event of military super soldiers, if they are cloned for black ops purposes (so one can live a "normal" life and be switched for missions), where does the soul in the clone come from?

Or does that clone have a soul and is subjected to the same mind-control as the original body?

Does any of that make sense? Lol.

[Bill Ryan]

So, piggy-backing on this, here's my question.

In the event of military super soldiers, if they are cloned for black ops purposes (so one can live a "normal" life and be switched for missions), where does the soul in the clone come from?

Or does that clone have a soul and is subjected to the same mind-control as the original body?

Does any of that make sense? Lol.

Guys and Gals, this is not complicated.

If you cloned your car, and left it unlocked with the keys in it so that anyone could drive it, someone would soon come along and drive it away.

That person would not be you. It'd be someone else, delighted to have a new car.

[Lyricus]

Guys and Gals, this is not complicated.

If you cloned your car, and left it unlocked with the keys in it so that anyone could drive it, someone would soon come along and drive it away.

That person would not be you. It'd be someone else, delighted to have a new car.

Indeed! More to the point in keeping with this analogy, one would hope that the 'driver' was not a Joy Rider hell bend on mayhem and chaos.

[Rimbaud]

Dear Bill,

I'll say the same to you as I did to Blue...I totally agree with you about the "Soul" but having listened to Padina Cole of the Erasmus Foundation about how EVERYONES Soul was originally cleft from what She called the "Great Mind" makes a lot of sense to me..and it seems a fair explanation and not unworthy of your own point of view.

She was an extraordinary woman...I went to one of her channelling sessions twenty five years ago ( an ex Soldier and ex high fashion male model), as a kind of joke...I walked out of there awestruck!...There was very little difference between her message (Regarding Spirituality) and yours and Kerrys a few years ago. E.T's and UFO's didn't enter the equation..but the Human Spirit was a the most important aspect.

Please Google "The Erasmus Foundation" and listen..It's free..as far as I know

Love

Rimbaud

[Teakai]

Souls come into the body rather in the same way as the movie avatar. While in utero the soul melds with the physical brain.

Initially our souls were born/created of an energy mass and each soul is individual because the energy from which it was born/created was altered after each 'birthing'

Our souls choose their bodies -so, if there is a foetus in utero that is cloned then a soul can choose that body for it's experience.

This is what I got from reading Michael Newton's work.

I wonder, though, if the soul is the animating life force, then can a body even exist without one?

[Rimbaud]

Teakai,

I hate repeating myself, but Lady Cole was talking about this a generation ago..look her up as a source of true spirituality..You won't be disappointed..she was the real deal

Rimbaud

[Rimbaud]

Our souls are cleft from the great Mind...Our Mother/Father Spirit God who iIhope will ultimately save me and give me purpose to this wild parade of a life!

Rimbaud

[Teakai]

Teakai,

I hate repeating myself, but Lady Cole was talking about this a generation ago..look her up as a source of true spirituality..You won't be disappointed..she was the real deal

Rimbaud

Thanks Rimbaud, I looked her up, but the reference to Lady Cole on google didn't help and amazon didn't have an author by that name.

Do you have a link or maybe a book title?

[Operator]

Do you have a link or maybe a book title?

http://www.erasmus-foundation.org/

The site mentions Lady Paddina and Gordon Cole

[Rimbaud]

Dear Operator,

Padina Cole died a while ago...her husband Gordon runs the foundation currently...I'm not even sure if he's alive now. Look past the intro and look into Padinas teachings..that is what I meant for you all to look at.

Rimbaud

[Rimbaud]

Try www.erasmus-foundation.org I'm delighted you'll look them up!

Rimbaud

[Chakra]

Hi there
I am new to this forum and though I am not new to technology I am not a 'forum' person so please bear with me if I stumble along the way getting the hang of it.

I think this is a brilliant question 8) I always believe there are never dumb questions - just dumb answers. I do have a little bit of incite into this question of souls - take it or leave it. :)

The souls that reside on this planet come from a few sources - but I will stick with the basics. Souls are a part of our spiritual vehicle to experience the physical realm through the physical body. It is to experience the world and grow to become one with with the Christ consciousness and then the higher consciousness to ascend. That part you probably know.

The majority of souls here are from the 4th 5th 6th root races and created by Alpha - Omega. All groups of souls suppose to be here are created initially by them through the Elohim. The builders of form. There are also group of souls that were allowed to be here from the planet that was destroyed (astroid belt) they were mostly artisans but also very aggressive - and polarized in masculine / feminine characteristics. It was a new opportunity - they are still not doing so well.

To the creation part - animals share group souls, that group soul can evolve as a species and move to the next level so to speak of evolution. So can the elementals (fairies, gnomes, undines, sylphs, salamanders) can through service to creation / life earn the right to a soul and embody as a 'new' child. Two technically - a masculine and feminine counterpart.

Not all creations though are creations by Alpha & Omega - as we have been told, the grays are creations by the Reptilian. We know that the grays are clones - machines with skin, and that they are dying. Their dna is a copy of a copy of a copy - quality issue here. The light of A-O is eternal and limitless, they want that. They will take it anyway they can.

But basically a clone is a copy, it was something mechanically created, not created through the spiritual path of the union of Alpha - Omega polarity. Hence - no soul. It may contain the spark of life, it may contain 'something' but still not a soul in the real sense of it. There was a question of test tube babies not having souls for this reason too. Man playing mad scientist is not the same as truly - spiritually creating life. That requires again the light of Alpha & Omega both masculine and feminine polarities.

How can you tell if they are soulless? Eyes are the window to the soul they say - Blank eyes...no one home.

Cheers
Renee

[Buchanan561]

This is a very interesting thread as there are so many thoughts among you as to just where the sould comes from, and regarding cloned, or possibly hybrid people, or decendants of the fallen angels meaning their hybrid offspring and their claims to royalty with their blood line.


For those who have a more than a passing curiosity regarding where Souls come from may I recomment the following two sources.

1. Laura knight-Jadczyk who writes about Organic portals. These are people? entities? living on this planet who look like us, exactly like us except for one thing.....They do not have souls and her writing at this website tells you why, and why there are psycho-paths and socio-paths here among us, and the reason is......absence of souls.

Try to Trust me ( a new bee to a lot of you but not to some) I do a lot of research about many things. I believe she is correct in this. Cloned people do not have souls nor ever get them. They live and are like everyone else except when they die they cease to exist. The hybrid beings who died in the flood who were half alien and half human also did not have souls. When they died, because they were half alien, their spirits became know by the term demons. And.......they are among us coming out of the lower 4th dimension trying to influence humans. The cloned and hybrid beings being created underground will have the same fates at death.

1. http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/organic_portals.htm
2. http://cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath.htm
3. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_organicportals00.htm
4. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_astralplane06.htm


Organic Portals – The “Other” Race
Part I & Part II
by Laura Knight-Jadczyk



2. Author Elliott Hughes


website: http://www.netherworld.com/~walkerk1/

Website: http://www.netherworld.com/~walkerk1/CHAOS1.html


First book UFOs & Estraterrestrials: Why they are Here The Darkest, Longest Kept Secret in Human History Circa 2004

Second Book The Alien Presence Book Two The Chaos Theory of Human Evolution.

I don't know how to post links so I will just have to give the website here. You can read about both books and there is a lot of information there which will tell you a lot.

I am not sending you there to encourage you to purchase a book. That is not my intention. I know Elliott Hughes and he sent me the second book in e-book form (pdf like) for free. We chatted for a long time back and forth as he was very interested in my mystical experiences because they supported some of the things he has in his second book. I personally saw a woman when I was a child in a department store who was a hybrid.....human with the face of a cow. this is true. He wanted me to give out his second book in e-book to anyone who was interested in any forum that I was posting in because he felt that my word of mouth was worth more to him than the price of a book.

So if anyone contacts me I will be happy to send you in an e-mail the book as a gift. I don't have the first book in e-book form but it is excellent too. So if you send me a private message, or send directly to me at


Buchanan561@aol.com

and I will send it to you as an attached file. This will give you answers about the souls issue. All souls were created at the same time billions of years ago. They were in the form of light and were called 'light beings'. sound familiar. Then these perfect in all ways light beings sought expermentation and adventure. They were capable of creating anything they wanted to and did.......but.....Because of this they got themselves trapped into 3D reality here on planet earth even before earth became solid like today and.......in their search for excitement and adventure soon found themselves trapped in 3D and could not excape and then soon forgot who or what they were. Sound familiar?

And here we stay stranded, and those who came/come to resue them.......found/find themself too trapped in a sea of forgetfulness after getting here and soon forget who they are and why they came. This is what is happening to the wanders, and walk-ins. It has happened to me to some degree. There is a war going on out there to keep us in this forgetful state.

Please contact me for this e-book. It is excellent as he explains how he came to this information and provides the written proof of his findings. Check out his two website and contact me for the free e-book. It prints out quite easily and well. And you will walk away with an understanding of earlier times that you won't find anywhere else. And you will slowly find it fitting in with your other parts of world view and history. He is an excellent researcher and without hidden agendas. He was great to chat with. and.....will reply to e-mails.

Laura Knight-Jadczyk 's writing about the Organic Portals is excellent too. What she writes about them makes sense to me a Nursing and psychology major in college. I happen to be surrounded by Organic Portals in my life. One can easily come through you by birth. Emma

[Buchanan561]

Continued..........

To quickly read the first two chapters of the book I mentioned above and quickly read his interesting words regarding this topic we are discussing here click on this address and it will open the pdf file of his first two chapters and you can start reading. I hope it copies well here.:rolleyes: if not forgive me. If you send to me for the e-book you will find the most facinating information regarding this and also discover the ancient Egyptian Bible.....yes indeed and guess what it turns out to be...... to his surprise. It was the famous Egyptian Book of the Dead, and it was actually their Bible that was teaching them how to get off the earth where they were stuck and back out of this 3D prison where we still remain stuck. please read. You will find it a real education. Many of your posts contained some truths, but not any complete pictures of how it was, but many had a lot of good points. Many were way off tract. One was very close but forgot his screen name. will find it later Emma

http://www.netherworld.com/~walkerk1/Secret_Origin_Free.pdf

one paragraph here:

Introductionn
The Bloodline ProjectThe secret narrative of why humans were really created,
as found in the Bible
_________________________________________________
Sometime before his death in 1945, Edgar Cayce, the “Sleeping
Prophet,” made several startling revelations about humanity’s
origin: that Adam and Eve were not the first humans; that the first
humans “materialized” here from another, higher dimension; that they
were divine, god-like beings who came to this dimension as thoughtform
projections. They materialized in the guises of the hybrid fantasy
creatures mentioned in mythology—the Sphinx, the unicorn, the
satyr (i.e., “goat-demon”), the mermaid, the entire myriad of fantasy
creatures that were thought to be only myth or legends.
These pre-Adam humans came to this dimension as a lark. They
thought it would be “fun.” But the more they had sex with the animals
and each other, the more they ate and partook of this dimension, the more their thought-form bodies congealed. Eventually, they
were unable to return to the homelands of the higher dimensional realms
and became trapped in this dimension. The entrapment lasted for
hundreds of thousands of years.
Cayce hinted that a race of extraterrestrials had been enlisted to
attempt to “rescue” the hapless pre-Adam humans. Cayce did not name
the extraterrestrials but referred to them as “the sons and daughters of
the Most High.” This was a euphemism for the alien race known as the
Anunnaki—the sons and daughters of Anu. Their genetic creation of the
race of Adam was but a step in a series of steps designed to help free the
entrapped souls and to create “safe vessels” for them that could be
evolved, unlike many of the hybrid creatures who could not be taught.
(In this light, the human species is a transitional state that we seem to be
stuck in.)
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frank samuel Senior Moderator was the name I could not remember. He was the most on the mark. You were most on the mark. Sorry for forgetting your call sign. Emma

[blue777]

Hi there
I am new to this forum and though I am not new to technology I am not a 'forum' person so please bear with me if I stumble along the way getting the hang of it.

I think this is a brilliant question 8) I always believe there are never dumb questions - just dumb answers. I do have a little bit of incite into this question of souls - take it or leave it. :)

The souls that reside on this planet come from a few sources - but I will stick with the basics. Souls are a part of our spiritual vehicle to experience the physical realm through the physical body. It is to experience the world and grow to become one with with the Christ consciousness and then the higher consciousness to ascend. That part you probably know.

The majority of souls here are from the 4th 5th 6th root races and created by Alpha - Omega. All groups of souls suppose to be here are created initially by them through the Elohim. The builders of form. There are also group of souls that were allowed to be here from the planet that was destroyed (astroid belt) they were mostly artisans but also very aggressive - and polarized in masculine / feminine characteristics. It was a new opportunity - they are still not doing so well.

To the creation part - animals share group souls, that group soul can evolve as a species and move to the next level so to speak of evolution. So can the elementals (fairies, gnomes, undines, sylphs, salamanders) can through service to creation / life earn the right to a soul and embody as a 'new' child. Two technically - a masculine and feminine counterpart.

Not all creations though are creations by Alpha & Omega - as we have been told, the grays are creations by the Reptilian. We know that the grays are clones - machines with skin, and that they are dying. Their dna is a copy of a copy of a copy - quality issue here. The light of A-O is eternal and limitless, they want that. They will take it anyway they can.

But basically a clone is a copy, it was something mechanically created, not created through the spiritual path of the union of Alpha - Omega polarity. Hence - no soul. It may contain the spark of life, it may contain 'something' but still not a soul in the real sense of it. There was a question of test tube babies not having souls for this reason too. Man playing mad scientist is not the same as truly - spiritually creating life. That requires again the light of Alpha & Omega both masculine and feminine polarities.

How can you tell if they are soulless? Eyes are the window to the soul they say - Blank eyes...no one home.

Cheers
Renee

Greatreply...thankyou
quote:How can you tell if they are soulless? THE DO NOT HAVE A CONSCIENCE
lol
blue

[Rimbaud]

Blue777

You'll always know if a being has a soul by touching their hands and feeling the life force...someone who cries has a soul as someone without one never could. You can tell if there is a soul in ageless eyes even if they have just started a new life. It's indefinable Blue, in my mind..I've seen "soul" so many times in folk who shouldn't have such strong ones...and weaker versions in our so called peers!

All the best Blue

Rimbaud

[Ethereal Blue Being]

This may be a bit simplistic but... Is it possible that once "soul" physically "detaches" itself from what ever part of the universe or universes it comes from-- known as 'Source' or other names, that it is always "connected" in a microcosm thru macrocosm level but continues for eternity and never returns physically to "source" and that is what causes the expansion of the universe. And as Bill says a soul can jump in to a body and take it for a ride just like a car whether it's been cloned or not.

[Rimbaud]

Blue777

To conclude my thought thread...I don't personally believe that there are any new "Spirits" on this Earth..I think that we're all pretty old and are all waiting for something to happen...something wonderful!

Rimbaud