Jesus camp How you steal a childhood

[jorr lundstrom]

When children act like children, they are wrong and shall repent.

They really believe that Jesus is gonna take care of everything.

Wot is gonna happen to these people and their children when

TSHTF??


http://all.gloria.tv/?media=163808



http://all.gloria.tv/?media=163805

[Carmody]

like sticks being added one by one on a soon to be raging fire... the psychosis will continue to pile up ...until we address the issue -head on, in full knowledge, without the allowance of ignorance in ourselves.

[58andfixed]

Jesus, save me from your followers.

- 58

[shadowstalker]

I am sorry (not) I just could not get past the first 10min.

[Flowerpunkchip]

I am sorry (not) I just could not get past the first 10min.

i managed 11 minutes and that was enough for me.... painful to watch

Frank Zappa : "My best advice to anyone who wants to raise a happy, mentally healthy child is: Keep him or her as far away from a church as you can."

they're as dangerous as the Scientologists.
****, I'm gonna get sued by the Scientologists for saying that

[shadowstalker]

they're as dangerous as the Scientologists.
****, I'm gonna get sued by the Scientologists for saying that
Imagine being sued for saying something like that what are they hiding???

[Maria Stade]

Programming :crazy: all those innocent children !!!
Scary ..... realy and they learn to connect with the arcons :shocked:

[mosquito]

Thanks Jorr, watching it now. This is truly horrifying, I hope everyone watches the videos.
Especially American "Christians"

[DarMar]

This documentary is more horror than any horror movie released in last 20 years :/

[eaglespirit]

Starlit Beautiful Souls from birth through early school age...especially!!!

christians leave them Kids alone!!!

The Kids teach Us at those earlier ages...BIG Time!

[shadowstalker]

Starlit Beautiful Souls from birth through early school age...especially!!!

christians leave them Kids alone!!!

The Kids teach Us at those earlier ages...BIG Time!
My kids taught my lots of stuff, its a shame that the ego of the parents get in the way.
Thank goodness I never grew up.:flypig:

[Maria Stade]

Yea programming programming they should be our teachers because humanity is lost when it destroys it own children !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox3AjvVdLkw

[Ellisa]

I got as far as the little girl babbling to....Jesus? I had to stop I was so shocked. It's programming isn't it?

I was especially sad to see those healthy, well-cared for and enthusiastic children being told that their lives are BAD, VERY BAD.

How is it right for adults to fill children with such depression and self-hatred?--- But I stopped watching soon after that, so I really can't judge it.

[Maria Stade]

Yes you got it, this is a ugly form of programming !
A friend of mine told about how they stop the buss ( in India) when children go home from school and it wont start and then they are asked to pray ...(they have many gods there)
and it wont start then they are asked to pray to Jesus and The buss is starting with Jesus help !

[jorr lundstrom]

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/Pope.jpg
The Pope

Victims of clerical sex abuse have reacted furiously to Pope Benedict's claim yesterday that paedophilia wasn't considered an “absolute evil” as recently as the 1970s.

In his traditional Christmas address yesterday to cardinals and officials working in Rome, Pope Benedict XVI also claimed that child pornography was increasingly considered “normal” by society.

“In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorised as something fully in conformity with man and even with children,” the Pope said.

“It was maintained — even within the realm of Catholic theology — that there is no such thing as evil in itself or good in itself. There is only a ‘better than' and a ‘worse than'. Nothing is good or bad in itself.”

The Pope said abuse revelations in 2010 reached “an unimaginable dimension” which brought “humiliation” on the Church.

Asking how abuse exploded within the Church, the Pontiff called on senior clerics “to repair as much as possible the injustices that occurred” and to help victims heal through a better presentation of the Christian message.

“We cannot remain silent about the context of these times in which these events have come to light,” he said, citing the growth of child pornography “that seems in some way to be considered more and more normal by society” he said.

But outraged Dublin victim Andrew Madden last night insisted that child abuse was not considered normal in the company he kept.

Mr Madden accused the Pope of not knowing that child pornography was the viewing of images of children being sexually abused, and should be named as such.

He said: “That is not normal. I don't know what company the Pope has been keeping for the past 50 years.”

Pope Benedict also said sex tourism in the Third World was “threatening an entire generation”.

Angry abuse victims in America last night said that while some Church officials have blamed the liberalism of the 1960s for the Church's sex abuse scandals and cover-up catastrophes, Pope Benedict had come up with a new theory of blaming the 1970s.

“Catholics should be embarrassed to hear their Pope talk again and again about abuse while doing little or nothing to stop it and to mischaracterise this heinous crisis,” said Barbara Blaine, the head of SNAP, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests,

“It is fundamentally disturbing to watch a brilliant man so conveniently misdiagnose a horrific scandal,” she added.

“The Pope insists on talking about a vague ‘broader context' he can't control, while ignoring the clear ‘broader context' he can influence — the long-standing and unhealthy culture of a rigid, secretive, all-male Church hierarchy fixated on self-preservation at all costs. This is the ‘context’ that matters.”

The latest controversy comes as the German magazine Der Spiegel continues to investigate the Pope's role in allowing a known paedophile priest to work with children in the early 1980s.

Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/popersquos-child-porn-normal-claim-sparks-outrage-among-victims-15035449.html#ixzz1deNyLiWm

[Carmody]

Well, some fight back. I was literally kicked out of the church when I was 8.

My return shot across their bow.... was that I taught the pastor's son how to be 'bad'. (mischievous pranks)

He was easy to indoctrinate. His father and the church had softened him up.

But seriously, the truth of the matter would be so close to all that, if I told you the whole tale, that you would be satisfied that I'm not even half joking.

Another friend said his dad wanted him to get him some 'churchin'..so they would go to church on the correct holy days. One time, he finally asked... when did Jesus start playing baseball? 'What do you mean?', his dad asked, as they whispered over the pastor's delivery. (in between the sitting, the nodding, the kneeling and the hymmin').

My friend said, 'well look at his hands (up there on the cross, he pointed), he's indicating one ball, and two strikes'.

They both started snorting, trying not to laugh out loud...and then hid dad said, 'alright, lets go'..and they never went back again.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This is not disrespect for god, or spirit --on my part or that of my friends.

It is direct and purposeful disrespect for indoctrination. Indoctrination is a human invention and has nothing to do with god or spirit. intelligent, thinking, caring people will have nothing to do with indoctrination, and will understand the difference.

There is no age barrier to this revelation.

[Carmody]

I'm always reminded that there were times that they killed a pope, decapitated him, IIRC, then buried him face down.

Then they dug him up, prosecuted him again, then cut the corpse to pieces and burned it.

This was an act of a public fed up with the extremes of the catholic church.

Popes even had harems. Never mind the butchery and the mayhem.

The catholic church really, really ...does not want you to know about, or research it's real history.

[Maria Stade]

My mother put me in a sunday school at age 5 and the keeper was a mean lady that scared the **** out of all children.
Jesus was seeinga and hearing all that we did and punish us later. He could even hear all we was thinking !
He was under the floor ! Ha ha yea I was scared **** and decided that I would have noting to do with religoios people or church or Jesus EVER !

Lucky for me My parents was ateists !

But I have changed my mind and know today what it is - indoctrination and programming from young age !
They are victims !

[modwiz]

One of the things happening here is church culture colliding with a hostile media as well as a dying enrollment in their ranks. The church has been gay since the beginning. I am an Interfaith minister and when I was in our seminary I asked one of the gay male students if he thought that Paul, that would be St. Paul to some, was gay. He replied, "You know what they say, if you have to ask....." That was a yes.

Once upon a time every Catholic family usually sent their eldest son to the church. The priests knew who this one was and 'indoctrination' began early. Since the 'indoctrinated' one was absorbed into the culture all was undisturbed. Nowadays, the church culture is the same but the outer culture is very different. Now there is confusion and young people have their 'encounters' and then are rightly horrified when they are older and not part of the culture. A hostile media is only too glad to run with these stories and so you have a perfect storm for the church. The pope is clueless because it is his culture and is oblivious to any personal concept of deviant behavior. He just knows that the lay person doesn't understand.

It is good that this is coming to light. I do not care if every priest is gay, but starting with children is something that must stop.

[Maria Stade]

The mass trauma the lives that they have ruined by what they did to the children is just unending Crimes that has been done in Jesus name !


http://vimeo.com/8621350

Here is more to read !

http://itccs.org/

[jorr lundstrom]

Adrenal chrome, said to be the most expensive recrutional drog in the world.

It is produced by really scaring the s""t out of young children, then kill them and

tapping the drog by inserting a syringe into the pineal gland. It is one of the

thing the elite get out of their sacrifice rites.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y4RtVcFnOY&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWgLvgEQAhA&feature=player_embedded

Link to an article here:

https://indianinthemachine.wordpress.com/2010/04/18/secret-illuminati-human-sacrifice-drug-adrenalchrome-adrenal-chromaffin/

[mosquito]

Just finished the second part.

What I find perhaps the most sickening about this is the way they've targetted the children's natural exuberence, passion and spirit and totally distorted it.

If this isn't child abuse, what the f**k is ?

[jorr lundstrom]

Just finished the second part.

What I find perhaps the most sickening about this is the way they've targetted the children's natural exuberence, passion and spirit and totally distorted it.

If this isn't child abuse, what the f**k is ?

Yeah, its horrible. A total lack of respect for the child as a uniqe being. And the

woman who handled the dressage called them Gods warriors. Are the purpose to

send them to war against the muslim kids? This movie should be seen by all those

loving christians, so they can see how programmings look IRL. And maybye relive

a bit of their own childhood.

[meeradas]

Despicable.
What a nightmare.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Did you know until they're about five years old children don't have what hypnotists call the 'critical factor', which is responsible for demanding reasons for things people are told. Children are in a constant state of hypnosis so what happens to them in their formative years is a very powerful influence on the rest of their lives.

[jorr lundstrom]

Did you know until they're about five years old children don't have what hypnotists call the 'critical factor', which is responsible for demanded reasons for things people are told. Children are in a constant state of hypnosis so what happens to them in their formative years is a very powerful influence on the rest of their lives.

Yes, we see that when poeple dont realize that we all are programmed during

childhood. And to unravel the programmings we first have to realize, we have

been programmed. And thats obviosly not easy at all. But its possible.

[meeradas]

[...] so what happens to them in their formative years is a very powerful influence on the rest of their lives.

That's what makes it so utterly sad.

I just want to hug these kids. And make Becky "repent" [=recognize she's wrong, and change her ways] :becky:.

[Carmody]

Considered by many to be a Jesuit maxim:

"Give me a child for the first seven years, and you may do what you like with him afterwards."

(for the child will forever remain a christian) (the child has been programmed)


I overcame mine (I was not raised christian) by specifically going back in a state of self hypnosis, for hours at a time. In those moments I re-lived and re-investigated with adult capacity to view, and cognate/understand....every single pivotal moment of my earlier childhood..up to and including my birth and BEFORE. The neural connections where there, they just needed to be reconnected to. This was difficult, strenuous, and took all of my time. For more than 6 months.

the pain and stress was immense, every day, non stop, for 5-6-7 months. (and that was just the core of the experience - years were involved) But the revelations and changes where just as glorious and intense. the twist in the mind that locks one to the 3d reality begins to dissipate. The price was as great as I could handle..but so was the reward.

For example, as I revisited and 'became' my earliest childhood, those aspects would overcome and be my real-life emotional and mental conditions. when I was revisiting my time of being about 2 weeks old, this took about a month, overall. in that time I could not remember people's names, and I could not hold my emotions stable for more than about 5 minutes at at time. Just like a 2 week old child.

But I had to, in order to find the connections to how my childhood affects my adult life, thinking, and specifically..reactions and responses.

The thing you find, is that these conditions of earliest childhood ARE who you are as a human. on all levels and in all ways, these parts of your life really ARE who who you are, and command and control all of your so called adult intellect.

Like the roots and the trunk of a tree, all stems from and flows from, is controlled from and passes through this trunk root of your origins and there is NOTHING you can do to escape the impact influence and shaping of your adult life by this area of your beginnings.

The only way I could begin to escape it, was to go back and revisit all of that part of my life as intensely and as completely as I could --and from there....reform the root and the trunk via adult understanding of the origins of my body and intellect. To revisit the moment of creation of the ego.

Which I did. all of it, to birth of the avatar,and then into the womb..to the very beginnings of the avatar. To the point where the 'soul' the dimensional being, integrates with the 'body'.

And only then, did I begin to master the dimensional doorway of reality ---and dimensional energies. I reconnected, I Remembered, I became... the doorway between body and dimensional spirit. The moment where the body, the avatar...and the dimensionless being..become as one.

Plato's cave (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave), indeed.

[Unified Serenity]

Certainly the foundational years are important, and the Communist world has always known this. That's why in the socialist/communist countries of the world they teach children to trust the government, to not listen to their parents, to worship the state. Oh, there is a religion worldwide, it's the worship of the state who knows what's best for us stupid sheeple, and how we should live, where we should work, what we should eat, and what we deserve to know:

ByYojf-JdVg

"We must make the young into a generation of Communists. Children, like soft wax, are very malleable and they should be moulded into good Communists... We must rescue children from the harmful influence of the family... We must nationalize them. From the earliest days of their little lives, they must find themselves under the beneficient influence of Communist schools... To oblige the mother to give her child to the Soviet state – that is our task." Orlando Figgs

Everything said about Christians could be attributed to any other number of societies and religions. It doesn't take abusing a doctrine / belief to be cruel. There are plenty of atheistic cultures where people are abused and indoctrinated. For those of you whose mission it is to tear down Christianity, by all means continue your calling, but remember at some point even your sacred beliefs could become the joke of the day, and maybe there won't be anyone left to speak up for you and your right to believe as you choose.

[conk]

Jesus, save me from your followers.

- 58
Great song lyric from The Gang of Four (80s punk band): Save me from the people who would save me from myself, they got muscle for brains.

[Fred Steeves]

Some people are able to either withstand this conditioning, or overcome it, many are not. I would imagine the reasons are as varied as the individuals. I still vividly remember sitting in bible class in 7th grade during my second year of Baptist private school, and wondering things like "why does every other kid here seem to really be getting into this, while I feel uneasy and keep having these nagging questions popping up." It was a feeling like, "been there and done that, don't get caught up doing it again."

On the other hand, my sister who went to the same school still ends mealtime grace with the old "we ask this in the name of our lord and savior Jesus Christ, amen."

Phil Collins certainly had atleast a sizeable aspect of the whole deal nailed here in this hilarious video.

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[Ruby L.]

Well, there we go-- we've got Muslim fundamentalists on the rise, and Christian fundamentalists, too. Don't things feel just so much more safe in the balance now?

(Funny how the Christian "teachers/adults" in the documentary don't call themselves terrorists-- even though it's a case of twit for twat… er, tit for tat.)

Poor kids!

[Maia Gabrial]

The Church has done enough damage. They should just back off and let REAL loving people do the healing of the victims.

[johnf]

I remember seeing some footage like this before, it was in 2004-2005. It is very rough to watch, but I have spent some time looking at why that is. I am afraid that people that think like this,actually have the power to become a majority on the planet. Whether it is Christian, Muslim,Jewish, or any other form of I'm right your wrong I must oppose you, this type of belief system is inherently weak. Sometimes though the prevalence of the
belief system makes it look more powerful than it is. I sense that I have the power to link with my fellows on the planet on a level that bypasses both of our belief systems and is creating change in both of us. I have seen in my own ego , the belief that opposing others will benefit me and I have seen some of those beliefs as delusional. This can happen even for those in these videos.
Can I hear an amen!!!!!!!!
Thank you brothers and sisters!!!!!!

[Maria Stade]

Considered by many to be a Jesuit maxim:

"Give me a child for the first seven years, and you may do what you like with him afterwards."

(for the child will forever remain a christian) (the child has been programmed)


I overcame mine (I was not raised christian) by specifically going back in a state of self hypnosis, for hours at a time. In those moments I re-lived and re-investigated with adult capacity to view, and cognate/understand....every single pivotal moment of my earlier childhood..up to and including my birth and BEFORE. The neural connections where there, they just needed to be reconnected to. This was difficult, strenuous, and took all of my time. For more than 6 months.

the pain and stress was immense, every day, non stop, for 5-6-7 months. (and that was just the core of the experience - years were involved) But the revelations and changes where just as glorious and intense. the twist tin the mind that locks one to the 3d reality begins to dissipate. The price was as great as I could handle..but so was the reward.

For example, as I revisited and 'became' my earliest childhood, those aspects would overcome and be my real-life emotional and mental conditions. when I was revisiting my time of being about 2 weeks old, this took about a month, overall. in that time i could not remember people's names, and I could not hold my emotions stable for more than about 5 minutes at at time. Just like a 2 week old child.

But I had to, in order to find the connections to how my childhood affects my adult life, thinking, and specifically..reactions and responses.

The thing you find, is that these conditions of earliest childhood ARE who you are as a human. on all levels and in all ways, these parts of your life really ARE who who you are, and command and control all of your so called adult intellect.

Like the roots and the trunk of a tree, all stems from and flows from, is controlled from and passes through this trunk root of your origins and there is NOTHING you can do to escape the impact influence and shaping of your adult life by this area of your beginnings.

The only way I could begin to escape it, was to go back and revisit all of that part of my life as intensely and as completely as I could --and from there....reform the root and the trunk via adult understanding of the origins of my body and intellect. To revisit the moment of creation of the ego.

Which I did. all of it, to birth of the avatar,and then into the womb..to the very beginnings of the avatar. To the point where the 'soul' the dimensional being, integrates with the 'body'.

And only then, did I begin to master the dimensional doorway of reality ---and dimensional energies. I reconnected, I Remembered, I became... the doorway between body and dimensional spirit. The moment where the body, the avatar...and the dimensionless being..become as one.

Plato's cave, indeed.

Thank you for this !
Yes it will be for many a decision and dedication as a consciously made goal to FREE them selves !
Thank you for what you have done it will help others do the same !
It is hard to see the programmings and this is one way to get rid off them !

I love this song ... Return to INNOCENCE
Return to your true self !
Go back back to the one that you are !
Undo the programming !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soIVFch-G3E

Namaste

[Maria Stade]

I remember seeing some footage like this before, it was in 2004-2005. It is very rough to watch, but I have spent some time looking at why that is. I am afraid that people that think like this,actually have the power to become a majority on the planet. Whether it is Christian, Muslim,Jewish, or any other form of I'm right your wrong I must oppose you, this type of belief system is inherently weak. Sometimes though the prevalence of the
belief system makes it look more powerful than it is. I sense that I have the power to link with my fellows on the planet on a level that bypasses both of our belief systems and is creating change in both of us. I have seen in my own ego , the belief that opposing others will benefit me and I have seen some of those beliefs as delusional. This can happen even for those in these videos.
Can I hear an amen!!!!!!!!
Thank you brothers and sisters!!!!!!

We have the power to free others by freeing our self and by that make a huge difference in the energetic feeld !
By healing our self we make it easier for others !
It is the most important thing to do on this planet ! BE THE CHANGE !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utBkbJIYMy8

Namaste

[meeradas]

Personally, i'll stick with this "church"
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Get the "sermon" (from 04:54)

[These guys' music was 'occupied' by the evangelists for about a decade... when Doug came out as being gay, they lost half of their sales quasi overnight, as wal-mart and other chains banned them...]

[Flash]

Ouf! this is tough to listen to. Reminds me of the heavy catholic training I have been submitted to. Luckily, I had a dad who would not believe in this indoctrination and was explaining what the differences were. Although the nuns had convinced me to pray for him because he would end up in hell since he did not go to church - which was stopped when i talk to my mom. At dinner both parents ask us what our hearts were thinking about daddy. Love him or not? This was the only truth they said (back in the 60s, not bad for the time).

Kids hearing the voice of God within 5 minutes without religious training: let me laugh, I remember very well inventing sins because I was next on the confession line up and did not know what to say (by lying on non existing sins I was also making a sin, go figure). Whichever way I was guilty of sinning. Most of the kids will invent if pushed to the extreme. Then they will feel bad, then wonder if there is any truth to what they invented.

Interesting how close minded are the religious extremists from all religions (Muslims, Christians, Jews, may be even Buddhists). To me they are exactly the same, no difference (in fact, their similarities in thinking makes them brothers, even though they think they are enemies and separate) I wonder why this is? What is in the genes or cultural frameworks that builds this mentality.

[jorr lundstrom]

Ouf! this is tough to listen to. Reminds me of the heavy catholic training I have been submitted to. Luckily, I had a dad who would not believe in this indoctrination and was explaining what the differences were. Although the nuns had convinced me to pray for him because he would end up in hell since he did not go to church - which was stopped when i talk to my mom. At dinner both parents ask us what our hearts were thinking about daddy. Love him or not? This was the only truth they said (back in the 60s, not bad for the time).

Kids hearing the voice of God within 5 minutes without religious training: let me laugh, I remember very well inventing sins because I was next on the confession line up and did not know what to say (by lying on non existing sins I was also making a sin, go figure). Whichever way I was guilty of sinning. Most of the kids will invent if pushed to the extreme. Then they will feel bad, then wonder if there is any truth to what they invented.

Interesting how close minded are the religious extremists from all religions (Muslims, Christians, Jews, may be even Buddhists). To me they are exactly the same, no difference (in fact, their similarities in thinking makes them brothers, even though they think they are enemies and separate) I wonder why this is? What is in the genes or cultural frameworks that builds this mentality.

I think that if you have learned that you are righteous, someone else have to be

unrighteous, ie the problem. So you just throw your shadow on the guy on the

other side of the fence and blame him for everything that doesnt work well in

your life. This is the neurosis in action. And of course you only take responsibility

for the goodies you have created and blame the neighbor for the rest. Yes, the

three Abrahamic religions are very similar as they are from the same origin.

[Carmody]

The Abrahamic religions are tribal religions and are inherently linear-objective.

sadly, linear objective has ZERO to do with spiritual advancement or elevation of the individual's spirit.

Tribal religions are us vs them, and are regional in nature. a stunted and limited world view, and thus are suited to a limited world view of the masses.

By design, regardless of anyone's impression, their underlying aspects are fear and hate of otherness.

Therein lies their danger to the thinking and caring among us.

Also, reincarnation, dimensions and GODS (PLURAL) where in the original biblical works.

All of that was taken out by the insanity that is the core of the current Abrahamic religions.

They have been emptied of their original meaning, context and spirituality... and are now mere corporatized control mechanisms for the masses (people) of ignorance, which they individually and collectively seek to maintain.

[RedeZra]

Also, reincarnation, dimensions and GODS (PLURAL) where in the original biblical works.


the most or only important aspect of the Bible is to tell us that salvation is secured by simply forming a living relationship with Jesus Christ

who will take us all the way

above hell and the cycle of birth and death and into heaven


nothing else is needed than a valid Name of the Creator


the Bible doesn't teach about reincarnation but speaks of heaven and hell which are dimensions or vibrations just like earth

it is fine to know about reincarnation but it can't be a science of men since the soul is a business of our Maker

and God in His wisdom will together with the soul decide where and when the soul shall go


there are many gods in the Bible but it is important to understand that they are just finite created spirits like us

and not the Great spirit like God

[Carmody]

Actually, my soul is my business.

The maker insisted on that.

Jesus will take me nowhere. Only I can take this one anywhere.

Jesus did not utter his message for himself, or to proffer his life as some sort of catwalk to safety.

Only I can do that, regarding understanding the self, evolution of the self. Otherwise, there's no point. The message never had anything to do with Jesus or any God being my parent, it had to do with evolving out of the need for having or needing a parent.

The idea of god as perpetual parent, is wholly and deeply repugnant and is outside of evolution and within the realm of slavery. That, as ideas thoughts, and utterances go, is one of the unaware organic machine, the born perpetual slave and has nothing to do with self-awareness.

I don't think we are very far off from agreeing, but..Independence and thus Responsibility becomes synonymous with the evolved soul.

To relegate myself to some semblance of serfdom or similar childhood or herding of the self in perpetual ignorance.... may be in the cards for the mentality of some, but I'm perfectly willing to run amok at Jesus camp ---for all the right reasons.

What I'm indicating with the remark of mine is that the bible was heavily edited and written by MEN, men of lesser intent and understanding.

Their selfish and small minded skewing of the message is the core 'sin' of the writers and editors.

Therefore I have more trust in the depths of character and original intent of the self and the people I know and people in general, than any bible.

The bible is full of good and proper messages and hints, in the same way politics and law are full of good and proper messages and hints.

As humans are involved in each, ...be 100% wary and distrustful of the humans at the top of such systems.

The word is not in the book, the word is in the human, the individual.

Out of the millions of books written, the bible is only one of them. Some greater, some less.

The Map is not the territory.

[Lord Sidious]

Also, reincarnation, dimensions and GODS (PLURAL) where in the original biblical works.


the most or only important aspect of the Bible is to tell us that salvation is secured by simply forming a living relationship with Jesus Christ

who will take us all the way

above hell and the cycle of birth and death and into heaven


nothing else is needed than a valid Name of the Creator


the Bible doesn't teach about reincarnation but speaks of heaven and hell which are dimensions or vibrations just like earth

it is fine to know about reincarnation but it can't be a science of men since the soul is a business of our Maker

and God in His wisdom will together with the soul decide where and when the soul shall go


there are many gods in the Bible but it is important to understand that they are just finite created spirits like us

and not the Great spirit like God

What happens to people who have lived isolated lives and never heard of your jesus?
Are they doomed?
Even if they lived exemplary lives?

[conk]

Also, reincarnation, dimensions and GODS (PLURAL) where in the original biblical works.


the most or only important aspect of the Bible is to tell us that salvation is secured by simply forming a living relationship with Jesus Christ

who will take us all the way

above hell and the cycle of birth and death and into heaven


nothing else is needed than a valid Name of the Creator


the Bible doesn't teach about reincarnation but speaks of heaven and hell which are dimensions or vibrations just like earth

it is fine to know about reincarnation but it can't be a science of men since the soul is a business of our Maker

and God in His wisdom will together with the soul decide where and when the soul shall go


there are many gods in the Bible but it is important to understand that they are just finite created spirits like us

and not the Great spirit like God

What happens to people who have lived isolated lives and never heard of your jesus?
Are they doomed?
Even if they lived exemplary lives?Yes, yes! Let's burn those unbaptized babies!

[RedeZra]

Actually, my soul is my business.

The idea of god as perpetual parent, is wholly and deeply repugnant and is outside of evolution and within the realm of slavery. That, as ideas thoughts, and utterances go, is one of the unaware organic machine, the born perpetual slave and has nothing to do with self-awareness.



yes i believe God is the giver or maker of our souls

and the perpetual parent to all the sons and daughters


i don't know why you call this a slave relationship unless you are a rebel hehe

[RedeZra]

What happens to people who have lived isolated lives and never heard of your jesus?
Are they doomed?
Even if they lived exemplary lives?

it is hard to live an exemplary life here on earth and therefore we need forgiveness for the black spots that soil our souls

God can forgive and nobody else

do you think you will enter heaven with a soul spotted with black sins ? of course not

so we need forgiveness from the One who can make our soul white again

[Lord Sidious]

What happens to people who have lived isolated lives and never heard of your jesus?
Are they doomed?
Even if they lived exemplary lives?

it is hard to live an exemplary life here on earth and therefore we need forgiveness for the black spots that soil our souls

God can forgive and nobody else

do you think you will enter heaven with a soul spotted with black sins ? of course not

so we need forgiveness from the One who can make our soul white again

So what is the answer?
Your answer totally dodges my question.

[RedeZra]

What happens to people who have lived isolated lives and never heard of your jesus?
Are they doomed?
Even if they lived exemplary lives?

it is hard to live an exemplary life here on earth and therefore we need forgiveness for the black spots that soil our souls

God can forgive and nobody else

do you think you will enter heaven with a soul spotted with black sins ? of course not

so we need forgiveness from the One who can make our soul white again

So what is the answer?
Your answer totally dodges my question.

the answer is that Jesus Christ is a sure fire safe bet

"I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father unless by me" - John 14:6


now if you know the Father then who am i to say drop Him for His Son ?

but if you don't know the Father then here is the Son Jesus Christ

[Lord Sidious]

What happens to people who have lived isolated lives and never heard of your jesus?
Are they doomed?
Even if they lived exemplary lives?

it is hard to live an exemplary life here on earth and therefore we need forgiveness for the black spots that soil our souls

God can forgive and nobody else

do you think you will enter heaven with a soul spotted with black sins ? of course not

so we need forgiveness from the One who can make our soul white again

So what is the answer?
Your answer totally dodges my question.

the answer is that Jesus Christ is a sure fire safe bet

"I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father unless by me" - John 14:6


now if you know the Father then who am i to say drop Him for His Son ?

but if you don't know the Father then here is the Son Jesus Christ

So you don't have an answer then?
Why not just say that you don't know if that is the case?

[jorr lundstrom]

RedeZra, If you have a strong need to preach, could you please do it in

another thread? Or start a thread yourself where you can preach as much you like.

The purpose with this thread isnt preaching. :focus:

[Lord Sidious]

Sorry Jorr, my fault.
I was asking questions.

[RedeZra]

So you don't have an answer then?
Why not just say that you don't know if that is the case?

if this world is fallen then how would we know exemplary from atrocious ?

history shows that our cultures have been immersed in human sacrifices to fallen finite gods or spirits

we are children of Satan when we love the wrongs of the world even when we don't know better


thnx to missioneries The Living God has been presented to every heart or so as God saves by trust to Him


when we think and feel that our soul is so prescious and above deconstruction then we forget that God gave us the soul life and an identity

God loves our souls but souls can rip and torn too beyond redemption if God do not actively step in and heal


we need a living relationship with the Creator else we will be tricked and soiled by His devil

[RedeZra]

RedeZra, If you have a strong need to preach, could you please do it in

another thread? Or start a thread yourself where you can preach as much you like.

The purpose with this thread isnt preaching. :focus:

sure just stop posting silly posts against the Christ the Bible the Church etc etc

then i will not feel the need to correct you guys ; )

[Fred Steeves]

What happens to people who have lived isolated lives and never heard of your jesus?
Are they doomed?
Even if they lived exemplary lives?

it is hard to live an exemplary life here on earth and therefore we need forgiveness for the black spots that soil our souls

God can forgive and nobody else

do you think you will enter heaven with a soul spotted with black sins ? of course not

so we need forgiveness from the One who can make our soul white again

So what is the answer?
Your answer totally dodges my question.

the answer is that Jesus Christ is a sure fire safe bet

"I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father unless by me" - John 14:6


now if you know the Father then who am i to say drop Him for His Son ?

but if you don't know the Father then here is the Son Jesus Christ

So you don't have an answer then?
Why not just say that you don't know if that is the case?

Never fear LS, Fred to the rescue. Ta Da! If RedeZra is incapable of answering your question, then I shall do so. I had the exact same question for the teacher as a naughty and questioning young lad in 7th grade bible class while attending Baptist private school. Here is the "answer" I received:

In the case of someone who has never heard the gospel of Jesus Christ, The Lord will look at the heart of the individual. He (of course he) will consider such things as: Do they mean well? Do they try their best to do right? Are they seeking in their own way? Do they look at the stars and wonder who caused them?

Can you guess what my gut reaction was to that answer, as well as most of the other answers to questions like that? Was it :amen:? OR :bs:

[Lord Sidious]

RedeZra, If you have a strong need to preach, could you please do it in

another thread? Or start a thread yourself where you can preach as much you like.

The purpose with this thread isnt preaching. :focus:

sure just stop posting silly posts against the Christ the Bible the Church etc etc

then i will not feel the need to correct you guys ; )

To be fair, this isn't your thread to dictate the course of and what you say is extremely subjective.
Imagine if we came and purposely derailed your threads and preached satanism at you.
Respect is a two way street.
Give none, get none.

[Ultima Thule]

Considering the idea of this thread, it is not necessarily useful to bring on corrections Redezra. You are entitled to your POV - absolutely, but in this thread might not be the time nor place. I'm afraid people in this thread are mostly "beyond salvation", as I am too, in the context you refer to. My personal view is that many if not all in here might have personal faith and have no objection to a concept of Jesus and his teachings, but might object religious hierarchies and use of power in the name of god.

It might be useful to check out for example Jordan Maxwell in relation to vatican and christianity - sacrifice and torture is not very far away from this days church. I don't mean to try to convert your thinking into anything, but this might help you see why debating here is most likely counter-productive.

I ask all to refrain from heating this thread anymore, and perhaps agree to disagree.
It is of course possible to output ones own differing point of view in a new thread.

Juha

[Lord Sidious]

Considering the idea of this thread, it is not necessarily useful to bring on corrections Redezra. You are entitled to your POV - absolutely, but in this thread might not be the time nor place. I'm afraid people in this thread are mostly "beyond salvation", as I am too, in the context you refer to.

It might be useful to check out for example Jordan Maxwell in relation to vatican and christianity - sacrifice and torture is not very far away from this days church. I don't mean to try to convert your thinking into anything, but this might help you see why debating here is most likely counter-productive.

I ask all to refrain from heating this thread anymore, and perhaps agree to disagree.
It is offcourse possible to output ones own differing point of view in a new thread.

Juha

You are progressing well in your learning the skills of the diplomat.

[RedeZra]

Never fear LS, Fred to the rescue. Ta Da! If RedeZra is incapable of answering your question, then I shall do so. I had the exact same question for the teacher as a naughty and questioning young lad in 7th grade bible class while attending Baptist private school. Here is the "answer" I received:

In the case of someone who has never heard the gospel of Jesus Christ, The Lord will look at the heart of the individual. He (of course he) will consider such things as: Do they mean well? Do they try their best to do right? Are they seeking in their own way? Do they look at the stars and wonder who caused them?

Can you guess what my gut reaction was to that answer, as well as most of the other answers to questions like that? Was it :amen:? OR :bs:


i guess you lifted up the :bs: banner Fred

but it is a good answer he gave you

so i will say :amen: to it

[RedeZra]

Considering the idea of this thread, it is not necessarily useful to bring on corrections Redezra. You are entitled to your POV - absolutely, but in this thread might not be the time nor place. I'm afraid people in this thread are mostly "beyond salvation", as I am too, in the context you refer to.

i know people think themselves above salvation and too great for God

and it is called pride and nothing else


if i see some mistaken notions about the Christ the Bible etc etc then i might type

and let Scripture speak ; )

[Lord Sidious]

Considering the idea of this thread, it is not necessarily useful to bring on corrections Redezra. You are entitled to your POV - absolutely, but in this thread might not be the time nor place. I'm afraid people in this thread are mostly "beyond salvation", as I am too, in the context you refer to.

i know people think themselves above salvation and too great for God

and it is called pride and nothing else


if i see some mistaken notions about the Christ the Bible etc etc then i might type

and let Scripture speak ; )

I would take the hint if I were you.
Jorr has asked you nicely and Juha has told you the same thing.

[Jay]

Some say it's juvenile, some say atrocious .. blah blah... i pontificate with a chuckle http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/11/16/article-2062423-0ED42F8A00000578-531_634x421.jpg
PS: I didn't know much about Benetton till now (has the Pope got shares in that co.?)

[Fred Steeves]

Some say it's juvenile, some say atrocious .. blah blah... i pontificate with a chuckle http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/11/16/article-2062423-0ED42F8A00000578-531_634x421.jpg
PS: I didn't know much about Benetton till now (has the Pope got shares in that co.?)

Oops, shouldn't have clicked on THAT one...LOL

[jorr lundstrom]

No comments ROFLOL

[Maria Stade]

:eyebrows::eyebrows: hmmm a date !

[jorr lundstrom]

And so in another camp


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae-BdJeWBkY&feature=related

[Carmody]

yes. tribal religions, tied to the expression of the fears of the body, are a serious problem. I'd say that they are one of, if not the center points in the biggest problem that faces humanity today. This is an aspect that lies at the core of Abrahamic religions, regarding the popular expression of them.

This is most notable in the difference between the bloodletting of the old testament vs the overall cast or direction of the new testament.

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[Earth Angel]

what is Gloria.tv the more catholic the better ?? I was raised Catholic and I know that's not true!! Im 52 now and my mother is still trying to shove the church down my throat ........she calls my interest in Law of Attraction 'your religion'.........when I mention how it works she always tells me Prayer works!! I dont want to battle her on this, I am happy to let her have her beliefs but she is not happy to let me or my kids have mine.......its amazing how ugly people can get on the subject of religion if you don't believe or agree with them, particularly if its your Irish mother who raised you to know this!!!

[Lord Sidious]

And so in another camp


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae-BdJeWBkY&feature=related

That lady, who is the daughter of a shaheed is correct, the entire energy signature of those muslims is the same as the national socialists, I recognise it instantly.
It feels foreign to me now and for that, I am grateful.
But anyways, all of these control paradigms must end if our species is to survive.

[Flash]

On my side, I have been living in different parts of the world, and here what happened:

When in Muslims countries, some more fundamentalists have been trying to convert me to Mulsimism over and over again, in order to save me, to be pure. Otherwise I was doomed and no more than a dog. They had to save me so that they would get instantaneous access to paradise for converting a non muslim.

When In Catholic environments, well, I was supposed to be saved at birth because of baptism, and then was sent to hell for the impure because I did not follow the precepts. If they could reconvert me, they would and then a plus would mark their soul for saving me.

When I was around deep believers in the baptists churches, I was doomed again if not saved. Everything was put in place to save me, and by the way, having a plus on their soul for saving me. Same with Jehovah witness and Pentecotists. They would all feel as being better for saving me.

When I am with a dear friend of mine who's husband is a devout Mormon, we speak about the words of God, the bible, mormon bible, and I am not saved until converted (I must have 10 bibles given to me by now). I know they love me, but I am doomed, they have to save me, because they love me and because it is a plus in their soul for converting me, therefore they feel better.

My hairdresser is a reborn christian, and she is desperately trying to save me through Christ, because for now I am evil. If she succeed, this is a plus on her soul as well and her feeling of having done a good deed and being good is greatly enhanced.

When I was around orthodox Jews, well, they did not try to save me at all (at least a step on freedom from personal guilt ), they just plainly did not wish to have anything to do with a Goy, I worth nothing in the eyes of God anyhow, I am not from the chosen ones, (therefore already off the chart, condemned to eternal animalery) but they are - therefore no need to feel better, already being better and they have all rights of chosen ones.

I am keenly aware that in all these above mentioned, lots of people are moderate and will not hurt others not from the same beliefs or hate them, and even sometimes they will help when help if needed. But these religions have a tendency to get their devout to close the heart entirely to the human specie at large. IMHO

NOW, tell me which one is the best????? WHERE IS THE HEART?? WHERE IS LOVE??

I told my hairdresser: How can you get God to say that 5 billions of people and more are condemned to eternal suffering. How can a God be so hatefull for its own creation? You are telling me right now that God is a God of hate, not love!

I told someone else: do not try to impose your beliefs on me, it has been tried lots of time and I discourage such weakness from those that have to impose, not being able to hold themselves up by themselves. I encourage to strenghten oneself through the heart.

I am more on the path of Carmody, and probably LS, being entirely self responsible for oneself and for others whom responsiblities is on our shoulder (old parents, children, etc). This is evolution and becoming what Creation intended for us.