THRIVE ...The Full Movie.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Well no introduction...most of us here know what this is all about...pass around to as many as you possibly can>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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viking

[58andfixed]

Yes, this is one to do.

Time to stop waiting for Superwoman/man !

Solutions are explored, and collaboration encouraged.

It's about starting the change.

Widen the horizon of awareness.

*****

(Official Trailer) THRIVE: What On Earth Will It Take?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OibqdwHyZxk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OibqdwHyZxk


3m 39s 465,216 views

Posted September 7, 2011

"THRIVE lifts the veil on what's REALLY going on in our world by following the money upstream -- uncovering the global consolidation of power in nearly every aspect of our lives."

"Weaving together breakthroughs in science, consciousness and activism, THRIVE offers real solutions, empowering us with unprecedented and bold strategies for reclaiming our lives and our future."

*****

- 58

[jade]

Thanks for posting the link to this Viking, can't wait to settle down and watch today!

There's quite a lot of debate going on about the film-makers decision to offer the film for rent and purchase rather than making it freely available. The makers themselves have said that they are a profit making business and are looking to make a return for their shareholders. Some commentors on the facebook page have said this is contrary to the core message of the film.. As I haven't seen it yet I can't comment.. does anyone else have any thoughts on it?

Has anyone noticed the symbolism on the cover art too?

[wolf_rt]

It appears to be pretty well grounded, if its some sort of co-Intel its subtle.

Foster Gamble does not appear to share the opinions of his family.

[Corncrake]

Excellent! Have been really looking forward to this - thanks so much for posting. It is a pretty comprehensive documentary and covers a lot of topics members here will already be familiar with such as money and banking - the wonderful Catherine Austin Fitts is interviewed - and I was glad to be reminded of quotes such as Mayer Rothschild's 'Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws.' 'Free Energy' get some coverage with references to Tesla, Adam Trombly, Bedini, Hutchinson and Eugene Mallove. UFO's get a mention too in the same context with the usual Disclosure Project interviews. Big Pharma's hold over medicine and the shameful treatment of Dr Royal Rife with regard to cancer cures and Rene Gaisse, Harry Hoxsey and Max Gerson are covered.

Population control comes up. I hadn't come across David Rockefella on the subject of eugenics before - in 1973 he said 'The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history - this had resulted in the deaths of 70 million people during peacetime!

It covers more topics than the Zeitgeist movies though in less depth but ends on an up beat note with plenty of links to follow.

The issue of payment has been raised and as usual this is a difficult one. I was prepared to pay for the movie (going without a cup of coffee would cover a rental) and am sure at some stage it will be free for all. The main point for me is that it covers a lot of information most of which is clearly presented and so I am doing to post it far and wide.

The trolls have been out in force posting on the trailer on you-tube - don't feed them!

[Pete]

thanks Viking, i have watched it and all I can say is, it resonates on many levels for me. I look forward to experiencing and working within the paradigm they envisage for us all and I am sure that all Avalonians will find ways in which they can make positive contributions towards the overall objectives laid out in this film.

One thing that struck me was how resilient we all are. Despite the covert methods that have been used against us to break us down, the human spirit and body is obviously made from sterner stuff. Now the truth is finally being made public and as the people become more aware of what needs to be done, we will be unstoppable.



A big thumbs up from me

[Eric J (Viking)]

Thanks for posting the link to this Viking, can't wait to settle down and watch today!

There's quite a lot of debate going on about the film-makers decision to offer the film for rent and purchase rather than making it freely available. The makers themselves have said that they are a profit making business and are looking to make a return for their shareholders. Some commentors on the facebook page have said this is contrary to the core message of the film.. As I haven't seen it yet I can't comment.. does anyone else have any thoughts on it?

Has anyone noticed the symbolism on the cover art too?

Hi Jade ...yes I did notice that...you mean the 'eye' ... ?

Perhaps we look too deep into these things ... *shrugs* ...

viking

[music]

There is nothing inherently wrong with people in any kind of alternative activity charging for services. I am poor, I'll download it for free (thanks Viking!), others can, and will, pay. When I practiced as a reflexologist, I let my clients decide what they could afford to pay me. Some could afford little, others could afford more. It all balances out, don't stress about it. Love and intention is all.

[spiritguide]

This video is the most beneficial resourse that is available to the populace at this time and shows many actions that need to be taken now. This illustrates a timeline that we all long for and are here to participate in. Develope the quality of the individual and automatically his environment internal and external will unfold to be such. I choose to thrive !

:peace:

[KiwiElf]

Fascinating - same natural torus principle Tesla & Victor Schauberger researched and based his flying saucer propulsion system upon 1938 - 1945: a spiralling vortex (tornado in a bottle). Excellent post - thank you for this Viking. Hope it goes viral (with all the best intentions! :))

[Zillah]

A truly inspiring film placed delicately in layman's terms - you finish really believing and knowing that there is a solution, and that its possible (NOW).

I LOVED IT :)

[aranuk]

For some guy that has such a priveledged background I can only take my hat off to him. I don't like wearing hats BTW but I certainly would if I did.

Stan

[aranuk]

Hi Viking, thank you for posting the video. Did you purchase it? Is it free on youtube?

Stan

[Zillah]

If you want to support it, you can rent it on their site http://www.thrivemovement.com/ (I paid 5 dollars to stream it for 48 hours and the quality is much MUCH better)...

Gladly, if you want to own a hardcopy you can purchase it for 20 bucks, and I think blue-ray for 25 bucks (this film was AMAZING to watch in high-def, something the youtube rip lacks).

Either way, spread the word....
ps: if you rent it off the site, there is a feature to forward it to your friends and they can watch for 1 dollar off (making it 4 bucks).

<3

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hi Viking, thank you for posting the video. Did you purchase it? Is it free on youtube?

Stan

Its free on You Tube ... you can watch as many times as you wish, although as Zillah has stated the quality is not as good as the cd/high def ...but acceptable, and you can expand the picture anyway.... for folk that cannot afford the cd or hire route I recommend you watch this on You Tube...a must!

And dont forget to pass it around on facebook/my space/twitter ect etc ...

viking

[passiglight]

Proctor and WHO ?????

GAMBLE ,,,,,,,,,,,,,elitist scum propaganda,trolled out by the propaganda stars of the new internet,,,,

homework pays dividends,,,,,,

[Corncrake]

Passiglight - forgive me if I am being a bit dense but I don't understand the point you are making in relation to the documentary?

[Eric J (Viking)]

Proctor and WHO ?????

GAMBLE ,,,,,,,,,,,,,elitist scum propaganda,trolled out by the propaganda stars of the new internet,,,,

homework pays dividends,,,,,,

I agree with Corncrake, not sure what point you are trying to make... IMO its an excellent video for waking up folk...

If you think you can do better, have a go my freind ... have you watched the whole video???? perhaps not...

Anyway a bump in order ...Its going viral on facebook it seems ...

viking

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viking

[Syl]

Thanx alot, i will check this out as soon as i get home. On a side note though.. what always amazed me thus far about lets say hydrogen cells,.. that untill now no proper bleuprints of this technology went viral, is always some diy stuff that doesnt really explain a whole lot in detail,.. ok i know its a form of electrolysis, and i've read platinum would be the best conductor,.. So we've seen a dodge ram drive 100% on hydrogen, we've seen other cars doing this... we've seen gas millage savers by large numbers.. but still, not a proper repository for all this information.. and still,.. people seem to be eager to make of profit out of this...

[woodshreder]

There must be a way to protect the inventors and their technology from TPTB and FBI raids State funded suppresion is at its core, evil.... If they want global dominance let them take all their $$$$ and stolen and suppresed technology and find another planet to dominate. They arent welcome here anymore, there need be a roundup of these folks sooner than later. We have better things to do with this planet than create war,terror,hatred,famine and pollution. Its time to Thrive once again & create an abundance for all. Great Film. Thanks Viking

[ThePythonicCow]

The self-organizing systems mentioned in Thrive, as vortices of energetic movement, go at least one level further down than the movie mentions. The movie mentions that atoms are an example of such self organizing systems.

But perhaps the sub-atomic particles that form atoms, the neutrons, protons and electrons, are themselves each such a vortex of self-organizing activity of an underlying ether, as described by Paul LaViolette's subquantum kinetics (SQK) Model G.

[lake]

Sorry but am I the only one who thinks this is a set up?

We all waited for something to be done by tptb on 11.11.11, and here it is.

They now want the same as we want, disclosure, a collapse of the financial system and a change in the structure of this world.
Only they have planned and we have not.
They know that once the sheep awake, war home and abroad will ensue.
This they require for their depopulation and then saviour plans, which will seem as a relief from the misery which will have been.

Its a long con game.

Problem, Reaction, Solution. All this film does is give the problems, it doesn't give solutions, which it cant until there is a reaction.

Watch for the invasion of Iran and collapse of the Euro, as this is the start.

The only way out is for all of us to not go to war,to tell our sons and daugthers to be of peace, not to comply any more with made up laws,
to live by one law in this place which is do no harm,
to barter our labour and goods, to love the planet and all things upon it as we love our self, to not fear death as it is a natural cycle of life,
to be responsible for our choices and our life's.

To be moral.

The films research can be found by one being in under 6 months, nothing is said regarding real base issues such as chemical poisoning of food, national debt or the such like.

Will also say regarding indigenous peoples lands, how can anyone own anything? This is a wrong concept born of greed. We are careers of the land and all things which are part of that land. Above so below.
Live in harmony, not in greed.
In the film there is no spiritual grid discussed at all, why?

Consider this, if there are different factions fighting for control over the planet and us useless eaters,
then this is a way to promote one hidden sides agenda, use us to destroy them and then offer us a way to be secure again and in doing so, gain total control of us.

If what we think is true, then there is no way that this forum, this film, or any dissenting voice would be allowed to be heard.
You know this film is a set up for the future, can anyone say, Georgia Guide stones?

1 Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2 Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.
3 Unite humanity with a living new language.
4 Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.
5 Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6 Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7 Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8 Balance personal rights with social duties.
9 Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.
10 Be not a cancer on the earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.



Aikido, is not non-violent, you use another's force against them, you take what they are and reflect it back at them!

As I see it this film is of fear, produced by a small percent to awake the masses, so they will do harm!

I feel that maybe we are all still asleep and what we are allowed to know and discuss is only what is wanted to be known as a staging platform for some parties agenda to occur.
We all here know every part of this film. If this film goes MSM, then we have a problem.

End result, we need to come up with a real solution.

While I say the above, I must say that I did enjoy the film, just feel that the timing is very strange!!!

All which I state may be wrong, so please research things yourself.

Much love.

[Phoenix10]

A MILLION thanks... I've been waiting on this one ;):cool: shared, shared and shared again!!

[Kamikaze]

delete it all.

[passiglight]

Oh right sorry i didn't realise i had just walked into the wake and aware club,,,,,,,,

Sorry i should note here,, that this response was to the question asked earlier of me,,,

EYE EYE
Homework etc etc etc,,,,,,,,,

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hi Kami

Its a difficult one...how do you cram all the information we know in a way that most folk will undestand and not take too much offence...the documentary IMO is one of the best pieces out there without confusing too much of the current system and maintaining a level head within mind set of whats what ... imagine going into detail about satanism/reptilian ect ect ...the majority would switch off at the first hurdle ... little by little and we can awaken them... but to go in full throttle is not the way ... most will complete the picture after the realisation that they have been had and that their reality is but a 'veil' ...

viking

[norman]

It's SO much like Zeitgeist on an energetic level.

Frankly, I don't think it lives up to the pre hype very well.

Having now fully realised that the banking era as we have known it has come to it's conclusion, I'm very wary of a film such as this that wags it's fingers at the bankers and then goes on to whoopee up a froth about ALL of the planets people waking up to a new and wonderful solution that will be so totally global in it's scope.

I know the words are specifically spoken by very genuine interviewees. My concern is that Mr Gamble is forming an image in my mind that gives the bankers a last V sign as they hoof it out the door with all the world's assets to set up a New World Order that will then require all the people of the world to decouple from tribal reactionary behaviours and step up to a global platform.

The details can be managed as and when required. Spin can turn free into fee, function into dysfunction etc etc. Most of all, the momentum from the surge of the enthusiasts for this will sweep along the rest in an ideal way for the controllers to manipulate. The thought police may well turn out to be US!

I'm not sure if a 'conspiracy' is always required to achieve a lot of things in the world of media and information. I think it only needs a well timed entry of a certain product and the job's done from there on by the nature of crowd psychology alone.

If this film does a good thing for humanity I'll eat all these words and more. Meanwhile, I'll watch things develop from here to see how it goes.


P.S. The Toroidal form thing is ok with me. I got it the first time when Nassim Haramein explained it several years ago.

P.P.S. Another lingering feeling I have that feels no better than the one about timing, is that I think the project as a whole feels like a presidential campaign that get's it's support from offering participation without telling us our ideas are not wanted, before the vote.

[Kamikaze]

delete it all.

[ThePythonicCow]

While I say the above, I must say that I did enjoy the film, just feel that the timing is very strange!!!

I like what I've viewed so far of this ... it is well and clearly stated, and attractively presented.

What we do with it is yet to be seen. If it arouses more fear than useful action, then its energy will feed into the current unhealthy power dynamics of our human culture. If it arouses more awareness, as a prelude to useful action, then it can contribute to healing our culture.

So, yes, it could be a problem-reaction-solution provocation, intended to support further control by a few of the many, or it could be one more "light bulb", shining a little more awareness and light on our situation.


I would like have to seen more details on what each person should do and take up how this will be in response to that or the other and how it will effect things in the whole.

I would not fault the movie for not telling us what we should do.

Nor would I have listened much if it had told us.

Such movies are not the best place to find such leadership. Rather we find that in those individuals we trust and respect (such as in our selves.)

[Kamikaze]

delete it all.

[spiritguide]

Their website has a lot more info for all that missed it in the film. The whole theme is do for yourself, they showed how the PTB have taken control over a long period of time and that we all must work in harmony to take back what is rightfully ours. Dignity and liberty are both worth every ounce of energy we put into them. Does everyone still think that Columbus discovered the Americas? Native Americans can tell you a different story if you will listen. This film postulates some of the systematic misdeeds brought upon us and suggestions to resolve some of them. Do what you can and join others of like mind and do more in a peaceful manner. If your not part of the solution then your part of the problem! IMHO

[norman]

If your not part of the solution then your part of the problem! IMHO




You got that tired old bit right.

[Earth Angel]

There is an eye on this site as well!



Thanks for posting the link to this Viking, can't wait to settle down and watch today!

There's quite a lot of debate going on about the film-makers decision to offer the film for rent and purchase rather than making it freely available. The makers themselves have said that they are a profit making business and are looking to make a return for their shareholders. Some commentors on the facebook page have said this is contrary to the core message of the film.. As I haven't seen it yet I can't comment.. does anyone else have any thoughts on it?

Has anyone noticed the symbolism on the cover art too?

Hi Jade ...yes I did notice that...you mean the 'eye' ... ?

Perhaps we look too deep into these things ... *shrugs* ...

viking

[VaughnB]

A truly wonderful production that outlines what has taken place over the last century by the central banking elites for world control.A BANK Scam of unprecedented proportions involving the IMF, the FED , World Bank, WMF to control gov'ts, and countries under the auspices of a New World Order.

Fear tactics were necessary using False Flag actions from the Vietnam War, Invasion of Iraq and 9/11 for allowing increased surveillance and control of the populace.

As power elites concentrate, enforced are strict controls on personal freedoms food, water, internet access, healthcare, mobility, media, shelter, with the end game to depopulate the planet for greater control by poisoning our food supplies with GMO foods, toxic vaccines, use of chemical sprays to dramatically reduce sperm counts and pregnancies.

In the film and website are offered solutions and actions to get involved, that the current situation need not be inevitable, that like a house of cards their plan cannot be achieved without participation from the military, common citizenry to implement their efforts. We can take action as exemplified by Gandhi and Martin Luther King.

SOLUTIONS
Already many movements are active on numerous fronts. Take a moment to visit their website: http://thrivemovement.com/the_code-new_energy_technology

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[Taurean]

I think this presentation will be ideal for those who have been drawn into the Occupy movement. i.e at the start of the journey which we picked up on quite some time ago. Hopefully it should clarify a few issues that they are a bit woolly on, and help them to shape their objectives better.

There was nothing new in it from our point of view. The reality still remains, Chaos is about to be unleashed and we are going to have to pick up the pieces the best we can.

As often quoted " We are at our best when things are at their worst "

[jade]

I enjoyed the film, and will encourage people I know who aren't aware of these to watch it as a general introduction. As Taurean says I think it's more suited to those at the beginning of their journeys. It didn't go into any one subject in enough depth for me and so I didn't find it particularly nourishing or find any new information that piqued my research interests. But having said that how can everything be covered coherently in one film?

I'd just finished watching Michael Tsarion's Age of Manipulation when I went to the Thrive site and the cover with the eye did throw me to be honest. Michael covers that symbolism in depth so it seems a strange choice, coupled with the huge budget (they spent millions) and the fact that Foster Gamble is an heir to Procter & Gamble I was a little suspicious at first. I read the biography's of the team behind the film before watching it and some of their statements about their own awakenings, their reasons for creating it don't resonate with me to be honest. But having watched it all now, if it is co-intel I can't see what the purpose would be, as someone said earlier, it's extremely subtle. It seems genuine to me, just over-hyped.

[modwiz]

In the film and website are offered solutions and actions to get involved, that the current situation need not be inevitable, that like a house of cards their plan cannot be achieved without participation from the military, common citizenry to implement their efforts. We can take action as exemplified by Gandhi and Martin Luther King.


How about Ghengis(Chingis) Khan? He got a lot done? :whoo:

[modwiz]

The self-organizing systems mentioned in Thrive, as vortices of energetic movement, go at least one level further down than the movie mentions. The movie mentions that atoms are an example of such self organizing systems.

But perhaps the sub-atomic particles that form atoms, the neutrons, protons and electrons, are themselves each such a vortex of self-organizing activity of an underlying ether, as described by Paul LaViolette's subquantum kinetics (SQK) Model G.

Hmm, you mean they left out an important part of the equation? Must have been an oversight. :rolleyes:

[lake]

I think that I would have been very impressed if in the first 8 mins of the film, they had explained the problems caused by the use of oil,
and then in the next 2 hours, had given a step by step guide on how to build a free energy device!

Wonder how long that film would have stayed on line?

[Maria Stade]

I had to make a thread about what I see when i Saw this Movie !
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34788-The-goal-of-Agenda-21&p=356223#post356223

[jorr lundstrom]

I said it before and I say it again. This is not the solution it promise to be.

We are in an enormous transformation of human consciousness and of course

a lot of organisations are trying to hijack this process. Look here we have the

solutions to humans and the planets problem, you just have to do as we tell you.

You dont have to change, oh no we will take care of you, because you see you

are not able to think for yourself. So let us make the decissions.

On the thrive homepage they have collected a lot of experts who are gonna take

care of us and educate us, in how we ought to live our lives and take care of

the planet. I wonder wot agency that is behind this movie. LOL

[jorr lundstrom]

Sorry but am I the only one who thinks this is a set up?

We all waited for something to be done by tptb on 11.11.11, and here it is.

They now want the same as we want, disclosure, a collapse of the financial system and a change in the structure of this world.
Only they have planned and we have not.
They know that once the sheep awake, war home and abroad will ensue.
This they require for their depopulation and then saviour plans, which will seem as a relief from the misery which will have been.

Its a long con game.

Problem, Reaction, Solution. All this film does is give the problems, it doesn't give solutions, which it cant until there is a reaction.

Watch for the invasion of Iran and collapse of the Euro, as this is the start.

The only way out is for all of us to not go to war,to tell our sons and daugthers to be of peace, not to comply any more with made up laws,
to live by one law in this place which is do no harm,
to barter our labour and goods, to love the planet and all things upon it as we love our self, to not fear death as it is a natural cycle of life,
to be responsible for our choices and our life's.

To be moral.

The films research can be found by one being in under 6 months, nothing is said regarding real base issues such as chemical poisoning of food, national debt or the such like.

Will also say regarding indigenous peoples lands, how can anyone own anything? This is a wrong concept born of greed. We are careers of the land and all things which are part of that land. Above so below.
Live in harmony, not in greed.
In the film there is no spiritual grid discussed at all, why?

Consider this, if there are different factions fighting for control over the planet and us useless eaters,
then this is a way to promote one hidden sides agenda, use us to destroy them and then offer us a way to be secure again and in doing so, gain total control of us.

If what we think is true, then there is no way that this forum, this film, or any dissenting voice would be allowed to be heard.
You know this film is a set up for the future, can anyone say, Georgia Guide stones?

1 Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2 Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.
3 Unite humanity with a living new language.
4 Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.
5 Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6 Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7 Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8 Balance personal rights with social duties.
9 Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.
10 Be not a cancer on the earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.



Aikido, is not non-violent, you use another's force against them, you take what they are and reflect it back at them!

As I see it this film is of fear, produced by a small percent to awake the masses, so they will do harm!

I feel that maybe we are all still asleep and what we are allowed to know and discuss is only what is wanted to be known as a staging platform for some parties agenda to occur.
We all here know every part of this film. If this film goes MSM, then we have a problem.

End result, we need to come up with a real solution.

While I say the above, I must say that I did enjoy the film, just feel that the timing is very strange!!!

All which I state may be wrong, so please research things yourself.

Much love.

No, you are not the only one to think this is a setup. But there sure is a lot

of sweet cheese in the trap. I wonder which agency that is behind this

pied piper operation. :horn:

[ThePythonicCow]

But there sure is a lot

of sweet cheese in the trap. I wonder which agency that is behind this

pied piper operation.
Well said.

[Eric J (Viking)]

'We're damned if we do and damned if we don't' ...

I say wake them up regardless of how ... on the way in the meantime if we get to an obstacle that doesn't ring true then we can argue the case... until then, lets wake as many as we possibly can.

If this is the process that we have got to go through to get to the 'light' then thats fine by me...We will get to the end of the tunnel regardless of what the ptw place ahead of us.

viking

[Corncrake]

'We're damned if we do and damned if we don't' ... too right. While I agree one should never take anything at face value, I am disappointed at the amount of cynicism being aired here. The same thing happened after the Disclosure Project, the Zeitgeist films and many others. No-one is telling us what to do - they are just putting the information out there and it is up to each one of us to decide whether we want to sit here and argue about what is happening, get up and do something, do nothing or wait to be saved. In the words of the immortal Brian (Monty Python's Life of Brian) 'You don't need to follow anybody'. If you are a fatalist you believe it is all predetermined anyway. Nearly all movements have 'agents provocateurs' (see 'Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist' thread) to de-rail them and it was certainly a deliberate part of the CIA's campaign regarding UFO's. There isn't a great deal that is new here but if it reaches a wider audience it is all for the good. If I remember correctly Bill said some time ago that Project Camelot had interviewed enough witnesses, we have more than enough information and now we need to do something about it. I believe that we have to start with ourselves and our own spiritual outlook but try and tell that to people stuck in the old paradigm they want facts and figures ...

[jorr lundstrom]

viking wrote:
Well no introduction...most of us here know what this is all about...pass around to as many as you possibly can>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Do you really think that most of us know wot this is all about?

Why do I then hear the snoring all over the forum world?

How can it be that we all agree about that the PTB are very

skillfull manipulators and obviously cant see through their

manipulations? viking says: wake them up regardless of how.

Do you really mean that?

[Unified Serenity]

This is giving me much to ponder. I like this documentary a great deal. Thanks for sharing this.

[Operator]

I haven't seen that movie yet (no time still).

But I have seen the logo and some symbolism for it like in this picture ...

http://funfactory.spruz.com/gfile/75r4!-!GKDDEM!-!zrzor45!-!EEIHSPED-GQQO-HKKS-OLRG-RNSJGFJDOEIM!-!72y1nq/b1.jpg

The one eye and new dawn symbolism makes a bit suspicious what is actually the agenda here ...

Maybe (hopefully) I am wrong ... just a heads up.

[Eric J (Viking)]

viking wrote:
Well no introduction...most of us here know what this is all about...pass around to as many as you possibly can>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Do you really think that most of us know wot this is all about?

Why do I then hear the snoring all over the forum world?

How can it be that we all agree about that the PTB are very

skillfull manipulators and obviously cant see through their

manipulations? viking says: wake them up regardless of how.

Do you really mean that?

Why do you ask such silly questions?? most of us here know whats what here on Avalon ...

Snoring??? go to sleep then!!

I am well aware of how manipulative the ptw are...

And yes I mean 'regardless'... obviously within reason.

viking

[Unified Serenity]

What I find so interesting is I know sacred geometry portrays the secrets of how our universe is organized. I have practiced Torus energetics all my life without thinking of it the way it's presented in this video. All of my intentions, meditation, working with manipulating weather, fire, and other physical aspects of life start from being grounded and in balance with my Torus energy field. I wonder how strong the few elites Torus energy fields are and if they spend a lot of time working with them. Is is wrong to begin an energetic action to influence their Torus fields to help them take this opportunity to change their world view, let go of greed, and envision building a new world with understanding how so much life would be more abundant for them and everyone if they let go of their base desire to control the natural resources and pile up money which they use to force their will upon the world out of a fear of their fellow man and losing status / power.

Maybe it's time to focus on that area. Some say just take them out. Just rise up and fight them physically, but I don't think that will work. I say help them envision a win win situation where they help the world and possibly become new founding fathers and dare I utter the words of a New Day for mankind? I know what I am feeling and the truth within my words, but I am sharing my thoughts here with you all, my avalon family whom I love so much. I nudge you, I argue with semantics and negative energy I often feel directed at certain areas, but in heart, I know we all want the same thing here. I think I know where I want to focus my writing and it will help me to stay in this energy to convey how deeply these things affect us, how messages are polluted, and how at the heart of most religions is the sacred seed of oneness, but it gets perverted by the power elites.

Thanks for bearing with me on this as I reflect and share. I look forward to your feedback as well.

[jorr lundstrom]

viking wrote:
Well no introduction...most of us here know what this is all about...pass around to as many as you possibly can>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Do you really think that most of us know wot this is all about?

Why do I then hear the snoring all over the forum world?

How can it be that we all agree about that the PTB are very

skillfull manipulators and obviously cant see through their

manipulations? viking says: wake them up regardless of how.

Do you really mean that?

Why do you ask such silly questions?? most of us here know whats what here on Avalon ...

Snoring??? go to sleep then!!

I am well aware of how manipulative the ptw are...

And yes I mean 'regardless'... obviously within reason.

viking

Ok, if you say so.

[jorr lundstrom]

viking says:
wake them up regardless of how.... obviously within reason.

I figure there are several milliard humans on this planet that are more or

less sleep walkers. And I dont think they were sedated with reasonable

methods. So with what reasonable method do you suggest they can be

awakened? Im very curious and am waiting for a constructive answer.


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[Eric J (Viking)]

Its a difficult one...I ask myself how are we going to wake up the masses all the time ... the videos like the one here (thrive) is a good start ... people need to ask questions..the video is a softly softly approach ... slowly slowly catchy monkey...as awareness expands the dark will deminish...bla bla...

We can only plant the seeds, then its up to them to do their researching with places like here, and after that I suppose its up the Bill & Kerry/Icke and Co to do the rest...I guess !! what else can we do... anyone??

Its frustrating isnt it!! lol

viking

[Gardener]

Thank you viking for uploading so we can see it. Here is how I saw it (fwiw).

I agree with everyones comments, It is a beautuful made movie, and tells a lot of truth about the mechanics or our civilisation. It also has a lot of red flags as many say, and for Avalon members it will not have been anything new.

There is an emotional hook in there for everyone literally everyone. There are also many seeds with which people can grow by. Even the keynote speakers were representitive of all angles of thought and belief. Thus all the bases were covered and it is indeed a good primer for anyone newly introduced to the operative reality.

But still there is this global governance new paradigm of control as the movie progresses, at the end it is showing a lot of standard energy pictures, wind farms, solar energy, along with the happy family scenario; wouldn't this leave everything at the status quo, a kind of 'peaceful control'. Its ok we can all go back to sleep scenario. Maybe another angle they work from
just to vector the thinking of those who would be able to extricate themselves and become free.

He talks about why they do it; saying they have got all the money so why continue? Goes on to say it is power, well they already have that to a high degree, he does not mention anything about 'things' above the pyramid and that these 'things' likely have promised those in the tip of the pyramid a safe place and a continuing role of control in the 'next' density. Yea right! They are the masters of deception and double cross, and the hubris of the power elites and their incredible self importance will blind them to this fact. The parasite will eventually kill the host.

None the less I feel inspired by the movie to a contining effort to know who I am, lot of work.

:ballchain:
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[Andreash94]

Huston we have a problem ...:wacko: Foster Gamble the maker is from the Empire Procter and Gamble...his caind of vary vary rich ...:plane:honestrly i waited this movie but the EYE when i sow the logo scared me a bit and now when i have the movie for free i prefer to dont watch it ... ^_^
Peace ....

[SEAM]

I am reading a lot of "Hassle Free Zone" speak here... not suprising. Thanks V!

[lake]

I am reading a lot of "Hassle Free Zone" speak here... not suprising. Thanks V!

Hold on, this film adds nothing to what we know.
Anyone can find this info in under 6 months, all on their own and if doing it on their own, means they are awakening.

This guy, rich or not, has supposedly seen free energy devices in action and spoke with the inventors.

Why then is this film not just giving the information as to how to make these?

Lack of hassle is not the point, this has changed nothing.

[Unified Serenity]

Here is an idea. Get the CD, book a room at your local library or somewhere you can show it for free. Invite your community to view it. Have members of local coops and groups that focus on community enrichment not based in some government program and have meetings set up to work together within the community. Invite local organic farmers and local banks. Get everyone working together and see what can come of the group efforts from supporting one another, to doing a community garden, to helping those who are in need and can't help themselves like say an elderly woman who needs some basic things done. Just some ideas.

[lake]

As said, if I knew some one who could make a free energy device and speak with them, I would ask for the plans to make it and how to make it and then plaster it all over the net, give flyers out, tell every one I met. I would sell all that I have to get it known.

Yes I may die quickly, but It would be out there.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I was thinking, how would my dad react to this movie - that's always my yardstick.
And I can tell you he would have walked away in the first five minutes. He would simply not accept the extent of the problem, nor believe it is orchestrated in a deliberate fashion. Yes it is a very unfair system, but it is all we have and it will never change. To rock the boat would only cause undue hardship on people. That is what he would say.

As for the rest of the mumbo jumbo, fiat money, boon and bust cycles, corporatacracy, and Henry Kissinger (his favorite politician and statesman?), well that's just speculation and bias. And sacred geometry, occupy movements, All is One and such are simply disillusioned people grasping at straws.

I also felt that the movie wasn't polished enough to appeal to a wide audience. Did they have any pros on staff, people who know how to make a movie? 75% of the movie was trying to convince people of the extent of the problem. That's too much negativity. At least some solutions were offered but nothing concrete. FE was barely touched on, for example.

I am not sure if there is a way to softly nudge people into awakening. Those for whom the system works have no incentive to change. Those with vested interests will not change. And those who are asleep do not know waking is an option. Maybe a shock and awe campaign is the only way to get through to them. In other words, until things get far worse, The majority will push to keep things as they are.

[norman]

Do you really think that most of us know wot this is all about?

Why do I then hear the snoring all over the forum world?

How can it be that we all agree about that the PTB are very

skillfull manipulators and obviously cant see through their

manipulations?




The crux.

No matter how inspirational our thoughts and ideas, as long as they can hoover them all up and have them packaged and for sale by Monday, we are still manipulated. At least, in the numbers game, we are. As long as there are more followers than sovereigns and leaders, their formula will continue to work for them.

[Corncrake]

Ernie - you are spot on regarding a certain section of society. Older people are often too set in their ways and cannot face the upheaval to their personal paradigms it would require to make the transition.I have friends who are in the money markets and they don't wan't to know - after all it works for them. However, I do believe that if it informs and wakes up some people it was worth making.

[passiglight]

proctor and gamble,,,,,,,,,

http://www.powerbase.info/index.php/Procter_%26_Gamble:_Corporate_Crimes

[Eric J (Viking)]

Passig ... please enlighten me!

What on earth has the link you provided got to do with the video??? or have I missed something? Or have you?

Just a few details on Gamble ...

"Foster Gamble is President and Co-Founder of Clear Compass Media, which produced THRIVE.
Previously, Foster was CEO of MindCenter Corporation, a pioneer in the emerging mind fitness training field. A 3rd degree black belt in the non-violent martial art of Aikido, he was also the on screen host and a script consultant for the PBS documentary Aikido - The Way of Harmony.

A lifelong calling toward a unified understanding of universal energy principles led to Foster's co-convening The Sequoia Symposium, an ongoing series of brainstorming gatherings bringing together scientists, mystics, philosophers and intuitives in a team quest for a Unified Field Theory that includes spirit and consciousness. His specialty is the geometry of space.

Kimberly Carter Gamble is the CEO and Co-Founder of Clear Compass Media and Producer, Co-Director and Co-Writer of THRIVE.Before making THRIVE, Kimberly worked as a journalist for Newsweek International among others, where she first learned to “follow the money” when unraveling a story. Kimberly is alsoFounder of Above the Line, a comprehensive program for homeless teens, and a lifelong activist for radical global transformation."

viking

[Corncrake]

Foster Gamble states clearly in the film that he took a different path to that of his family. Foster Gamble is not Procter and Gamble. I hope I am not held accountable for some of my father's beliefs and actions.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Foster Gamble states clearly in the film that he took a different path to that of his family. Foster Gamble is not Procter and Gamble. I hope I am not held accountable for some of my father's beliefs and actions.

Thank you Corncrake ... thnx

next ...

And blessings to you.

viking

[sygh]

Thanks for posting the link to this Viking, can't wait to settle down and watch today!

There's quite a lot of debate going on about the film-makers decision to offer the film for rent and purchase rather than making it freely available. The makers themselves have said that they are a profit making business and are looking to make a return for their shareholders. Some commentors on the facebook page have said this is contrary to the core message of the film.. As I haven't seen it yet I can't comment.. does anyone else have any thoughts on it?

Has anyone noticed the symbolism on the cover art too?

It's important to actually make a living. I dare anyone to go to work 40 hours a week year after year for free. One has to make a living one way or another. As to symbolism, there will always be symbolism. Symbols change with time, as do the meaning of words. It's important to be aware of symbolism and what the symbols mean.

I truely believe we can change the world with our perception of the world. I see a beautiful future. It may not look exactly like what is depicted in this video but it's about darned time a video like this came out. I applaude it. I live it. I want to see the use of free energy. Our world won't stop but it will get better -for everyone. We will evolve. This is the way forward. We must stop the military spending and align ourselves to support what we believe in... we must support what we want to see come about. We must live with nature, not at odds with it.

I while a absolutely agree we must consider what we do from craddle to grave, and even consider many generations to come, I don't want, and won't support a carbon tax. I will not agree to a NWO with the money exchangers running the world, or the G-20, etc, etc, etc... running the world.

No. Now, they can either go with us, or they can be left behind. IN the mean time, we need to start planting fruit and nut bearing trees, all sorts of trees of life. We need to get on about cleaning up our act. Building sustainable urban places of living while respecting ALL life.

[sygh]

Oh right sorry i didn't realise i had just walked into the wake and aware club,,,,,,,,

Sorry i should note here,, that this response was to the question asked earlier of me,,,

EYE EYE
Homework etc etc etc,,,,,,,,,

Maybe you've already answered this but I think ppl were interested in what it was you found. You said you did some homework, etc... what did you find?

[modwiz]

Thanks for posting the link to this Viking, can't wait to settle down and watch today!

There's quite a lot of debate going on about the film-makers decision to offer the film for rent and purchase rather than making it freely available. The makers themselves have said that they are a profit making business and are looking to make a return for their shareholders. Some commentors on the facebook page have said this is contrary to the core message of the film.. As I haven't seen it yet I can't comment.. does anyone else have any thoughts on it?

Has anyone noticed the symbolism on the cover art too?

Profit and shareholders, and this is supposed to represent a new paradigm. The fortunate thing about these parasites is they always have a trail of poop behind them. Their focus is profit and more control of it. This tunnel vision makes them sloppy. They continue to get away with it because people are still so out of control of their emotions that they are easily led and duped by having the 'right' stings pulled.

Shareholders are the biggest giveaway here. Moneyed parasites looking for more free money.

This does not mean there is nothing at all here. Whatever may be useful is the bait, lots of bait even, to hide the hook.

[sygh]

Profit and shareholders, and this is supposed to represent a new paradigm. The fortunate thing about these parasites is they always have a trail of poop behind them. Their focus is profit and more control of it. This tunnel vision makes them sloppy. They continue to get away with it because people are still so out of control of their emotions that they are easily led and duped by having the 'right' stings pulled.

Shareholders are the biggest giveaway here. Moneyed parasites looking for more free money.

This does not mean there is nothing at all here. Whatever may be useful is the bait, lots of bait even, to hide the hook.

So, if you make an investment in time and money, and you are dedicated to see something like this go, you are actually supposed to give all you've worked for away? Getting rid of the Federal Reserve, the money makers, etc... is, in your opinion, not enough? What type of exchange would you suggest?
Help me understand what you see replacing money, or some sort of chit for making trades.

[modwiz]

So, if you make an investment in time and money, and you are dedicated to see something like this go, you are actually supposed to give all you've worked for away? Getting rid of the Federal Reserve, the money makers, etc... is, in your opinion, not enough? What type of exchange would you suggest?
Help me understand what you see replacing money, or some sort of chit for making trades.



The making of something of worth, money, chits and parasitic moneylenders is a confused conflation of varying subjects.

[VaughnB]

No money, free energy, technology is maximized fully to an automated level replacing all monotonous tasks. All basic needs are free including education, food, shelter, healthcare. Greed and corruption are replaced with cooperation and service. People are freed to maximize their own highest potential, which ultimately benefits everyone else.

Perhaps you think this an impossible dream, a utopian fantasy. Just for a second, imagine the possibilities and try to limit for a moment the negative, dark side visions; instead to any and all things are possible from your current frame of reference.

[norman]

No money, free energy, technology is maximized fully to an automated level replacing all monotonous tasks. All basic needs are free including education, food, shelter, healthcare. Greed and corruption are replaced with cooperation and service. People are freed to maximize their own highest potential, which ultimately benefits everyone else.

Perhaps you think this an impossible dream, a utopian fantasy. Just for a second, imagine the possibilities and try to limit for a moment the negative, dark side visions; instead to any and all things are possible from your current frame of reference.

Thank you for your point of view. In the context of what is being discussed here, it has reminded me of a very basic call I make regarding what's going on here in this world.

Is the world impossible to 'fix' and only serves us as a learning experience, or, is it fixable and we should get stuck into fixing it.

I see a bipolar argument around these issues that generally divides us up into two camps.

One camp is based on the inquisitive idea of "Follow the money", identify the bad guys and go after them and stop them. This camp basically believes that the world is fixable and we should get the job done.

The other camp is based on the "Path of least resistance", not stressing about the situation and learning to be at peace with it somehow. This camp often contains a lot of people who see the world as a learning experience only, but also has a lot of people who think the world is fixable but that it's not for them to actually worry about it.

From the point of view of the 'bad guys', the first camp is the only one they need to worry about much. The second camp will never be a threat to them.

[Kindred]

The making of something of worth, money, chits and parasitic moneylenders is a confused conflation of varying subjects. As stated at the beginning of this post you have to clear some of your own cobwebs before you can sit down to a meaningful dialogue about this.

While I whole-heartedly agree with this view, I also feel that the video is significant in that it Shows 'what can be done'... But, YES - the Profit Motive MUST BE REMOVED. I know it's hard to envision a world Without Money. We've been seriously brainwashed in this regard, for Millennia.

It Ever there was a 'devil'.. Money would be it, for it consumes and degrades All that it touches. Such was the Reason that Jesus threw the money changers from the temple. No, I'm not trying to be 'religious'. I am Far from that corruption. But I do know the reason for his appearance here, and I have alluded to some writings that provide the reasons and evidence of this in other posts. He was 'provided' to Show What Is Possible. Others have followed in his path; Gandhi, MLK, Mother Teresa, and countless others of less renown. Their efforts cannot, and should not be wasted.

We need to take what has been shown in this video, and take it to the Next Plane. They've provided the 'opening'... now we need to use this to Humankind's Advantage, not just a few individuals.

This is certainly 'just talk'... the real efforts will occur at the local and personal level. I've just come across some interesting aspects of this 'toroidal' construct for which I'll be doing some experimentation on. I know there are others on this site that are attempting similar constructs, and as long as we all make Some effort, then someone is bound to realize the 'Key'... I look forward to that time!

In Unity and Peace

[Operator]

No money, free energy, technology is maximized fully to an automated level replacing all monotonous tasks. All basic needs are free including education, food, shelter, healthcare. Greed and corruption are replaced with cooperation and service. People are freed to maximize their own highest potential, which ultimately benefits everyone else.

Perhaps you think this an impossible dream, a utopian fantasy. Just for a second, imagine the possibilities and try to limit for a moment the negative, dark side visions; instead to any and all things are possible from your current frame of reference.

No it sounds positive and sometimes I can't wait till the time arrives.
For most people it will sound too good to be true ... but I think there will be other difficulties.
People won't get their heads around the idea that in such a world you don't possess anything.

The general accepted idea today is that when you bought it it's yours. It could take a long time
before people are able to abandon these concepts.

[onawah]

I thought Thrive was very well done.
It will appeal to a broad base of people who are just on the verge of accepting that what it is saying is true.
Who need just one or two more firm little pushes to put them into an active state of awakening.
Thrive is well equipped to provide those little pushes.
Every little push helps...

[DoubleHelix]

So after finishing viewing 'Thrive' I must say I'm left with mixed feelings. For folk who are well versed in alternative information this barely scratches the surface.. you have to ask yourself, who was the intended audience here, certainly not the people who expected this film to release groundbreaking information and ways to implement meaningful change.

I'm a little disillusioned, the new weapon to our arsenal merely turned out to be a microphone to rally more troops into the squadron... not an ass-kicking bazooka that provides workable solutions to fixing our worldly woes.

Not many here will be satisfied with this one, but you've got to give credit where it's due -- It's not bad for a seed-planter.

[AlexanderLight]

I've just finished watching it and it's almost perfect!

The problems are pointed out very well, unfortunately I'm sure we cannot end their game until we STOP USING MONEY.

Also stop voting, stop supporting the governments, stop joining the uniforms. Inform everyone that Police and Army-men are used as bodyguards of the elites.

If one would ask me "what is the biggest technology for human evolution at this point", I would say "free, unlimited, clean energy".

And to the question "what is the first change towards a spiritual and technological evolution?" I would answer "giving up money".

If we will manage to eliminate money, the free energy that we crave for will surface instantly, together with food abundance and appropriate healthcare. This will put a end to all wars and will reduce or extinct crime in the following years.

Personally, I think money are the PRIME cause to all our social problems. Just try to trace them to the core of all problems and you will be successful. Materialistic gain is the main reason behind all negative actions of our leaders.

STOP using money! We have alternatives. One example is a Resource Based Economy. I'm sure there are other that will work, because the monetary system is not!

[Corncrake]

If you are interested in the 'free energy' discussed here and the references to Tesla, Trombly, Hutchinson and Mallove I would suggest you visit the wonderful Wade Frazier thread on this forum and his website www.ahealedplanet.net. He discusses why he believes free energy has never taken off and how a totally different spiritual or visionary approach is required.

[Ernie Nemeth]

"We" keep trying to fix our society. "We" think "we" have the answers. "We" want to blame "them".
There is a component missing here. "We" cannot fix this alone any more than "they" can.
A house divided cannot stand.
But "Who" or "what" is the uniting factor?
"We" have asked "others" how to fix this world. And then some of "us" agree and some don't.
There is One "we" have yet to ask for help. And when "we" finally call with one voice, and ask for help, sincerely and without reservation, we will receive the answer.

[Bo Atkinson]

I feel this movie is another connection medium, much needed for reaching out to the middle and the upper classes. I find these classes largely caught in the tread mills of materialism or retirement expectations. Thrive may help lift off a few blinders, just enough to expand the dialogs concerning better days ahead. Diversity itself needs more messengers and palatable messages. Thereafter more productive dialogs might ensue between all sides of any divide and play at this more peacefully.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Just to let folks know the movie has been taken down due to copyright... however the film is available widely as its been copied on You Tube ... just type in Thrive and do a search ...

If you get stuck let me know ;-)

In my opinion 'truth' should be free regardless..!!

viking

[realitycorrodes]

I may have this wrong. But in this Documentary called "Thrive" the example they give using the Bank and a person depositing $10,000 dollars is different to the way Zeitgeist 2, describes it.

In Thrive they say someone deposits $10,000
$1,000 is kept in the bank as reserve
$9,000 is lent out - this is $9,000 dollars of real money (originally deposited) lent out, it is not created out of thin air - the money existed before being lent out!

The $1,000 dollars is 10% (RATIO) of the initial deposit of real money, while the $9,000 is 90% of the real money - which is very diffferent to the scenario below

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In Zeitgeist 2 they say someone deposits $10,000
$10,000 of this original $10,000 is kept in the bank as reserve

(the bankers will then procede to create out of thin air $100,000 (which is counterfeiting)

$100,000 is lent out - which did not exist before

- if one forms a ratio between the intial deposit of $10,000 and the amount they create out of thin air $100,000
10,000/100,000=The original deposit is 10% (RATIO) of the amount they create out of thin air (Counterfeited Money).
this $100,000 dollars is "literally" created out of thin air by the bankers (counterfeiting).
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The fact that the two differently worked out ratios both come to 10% seams to create some kind of "Jedi Mind Control" block that tricks people into thinking the first scenario is the way the bankers are doing it, while if Zeitgeist is correct, the second scenario is the real way the bankers are doing it. If the second scenerio is correct, the reason people can't believe it to be correct is because it is "too corrupt" for people to believe they (the bankers) could actually get away with it.

In Thrive, David Icke states they create the money out of thin air too... which contradicts the bank example given straight after what David Icke states in the Thrive documentary!

Also the gold merchant example in Thrive, contradicts their bank example, as the gold smiths where issuing two "promisary notes" for the same single amount of gold in storage - and where hoping the two borrowers would not come and ask for the gold - as then they would have two promisary notes for two amounts of gold, but only one amount of gold equal to one single promisary note "actually in storage". The second promisary note has no gold in storage to be satisfied, once the first amount of gold had been given to the first promisary note holder - which is effectively a form of counterfeiting.

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Who has described this right? Thrive or Zeitgeist 2

[Mike Gorman]

Yes, a comprehensive survey of the global elite agenda-and despite an almost Jehovah Witness-type utopian naturalistic vision-
the possibilities are exiting -although I'm not sure i would like Mr Gamble being the grand Architect of our moral life
his idea of Non-violation is a good distillation of cultural central isms - at least he has" put his money where his mouth is "
as the British folk say...worth a watch and a good think.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Fractional reserve banking: realitycorrodes. $10,000 loan approved. 10% held as reserve. $9000 "new" loans created from initial loan. That new loan: 10% held in reserve, $8100 "new" loans created. That new loan: 10% held in reserve $7190 loaned out. That's only three iterations. Already, there is $24,290 created from the initial loan of 10,000 dollars. On and on it goes until the initial loan has created almost $90,000 in "new" money - none of it existed before the person came along and asked for ten thousand dollars. The new debt created the money!
Welcome to the world of banking...

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi, All:

I must say, I'm suspicious of this movie. I've not yet seen it (I paid my $5, but was unable to stream it on low bandwidth, and could not save it for later), but I sense many flags.

It feels too slick and commercial -- like there must have been big money behind it. It's also being very slickly marketed -- which really triggers me to caution. But I have no doubt that some of the info in it is very interesting and valuable.

Of interest, here's some information I read:

The free energy device shown in Thrive is a Homopolar Dynamo. The first DC homopolar dynamo was made by Faraday. Tesla refined the design, but it was confiscated by the Federal Government. Adam Trombly and Bruce DePalma recently made their own design, which they called the N-Machine.

Today, rumor has it that the US Navy uses 36.5 megawatt superconducting homopolar dynamos as onboard ship power stations. Meanwhile, Trombly and DePalma's N-Machine was also confiscated by the Federal Government -- classified under the Invention Secrecy Act.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHuLCSOKV4Y


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHuLCSOKV4Y

http://www.youtube.com/watchv=75p5JwlXwlo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75p5JwlXwlo

[STATIC]

Hey bill

This thread was started by maria on something she found on the thrivemovement website.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34788-The-goal-of-Agenda-21

Hints to where the money for this film may have come from.

[Dennis Jonathan]

Agree with the many sentiments above.

Yes this is good info

Yes we have heard it before

Yes it is presented well

Yes it lacks new breakthrough

Yes it is a little cheesy and plastic

Yes it seems odd that the only immediate action they suggest are changing banks and buying local

Yes seeking ROI for investors seems to contradict the message

Yes I was hoping for more


It seems like the alternative media is recycling the same story time and time again.

We are past the point of conversation.

We need a live stream of a completed free energy device that is simple and efficient. We need our best minds focused on creating, refining, improving, and perfecting it.

The time for talking about why we don't have this, and why we need it are over.

The disappointment myself, and others share is rooted in this need.

A football coach can only say so much in a locker room before the game. We have spent the past few decades in the stands, watching at home, or in the locker room.

It's time to take the field.

[avid]

I wanted to buy copies of it on DVD for family members for Xmas. I know but they don't - it's a giant PROMPT! Amazon not selling it! Couldn't download it on any of above links (Mac/Safari). So annoying!
I doubt if anyone will sit through a movie on their computer if I say they should - but a DVD they can put in and all sit around is different.....
I even get ridiculed for saying the Big Pharma only want profit and not cures!!! They'll cover the symptoms but will NEVER cure as they'll all be out of jobs!!! Hense the banning of traditional cures, natural drugs, colloidal silver (make your own!!!) etc etc.

[SEAM]

I don't think this movie was targeted at Alt. forum members. This is a way for said members to break the news to their Mothers.. The date, the eye, P.& G. Come on... anyone paranoid?
Foster Gamble preempts every chapter with a kind and subtle "I know, I couldn't believe this either, until I looked into it". This is the first time anyone has made complete sense as to the meaning of crop circles.. at least it was new to me. The notion that "We already know this, therefore it's irrelevant", is just... tiresome ... and egotistical.

So far the web is giving him and the movie mixed reviews... meaning, there is just as much positive as not... I liked this one: http://worldwidetippingpoint.com/2011/11/the-thrive-movie-an-exclusive-interview-with-foster-gamble/

I humbly suggest anyone who instinctively rushes to judgment, watch it in its entirety first.

I mentioned "Hassle free zone" yesterday.... it was in the middle of the movie.. Even the most aware, have comfort zones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSj5tST9YEE

[VaughnB]

Hey,
If the film can activate people to read, write, act...then I say it's done it's job to open minds, and create positive change.

[Phoenix]

Though a good summary. It's not complete. As others mentioned to much fear... Most of the stuff was concentrated on the global tyrannical agenda and painting it's targets. To little solutions. Just like skimmed in a flash, to be soon forgotten. People will remember all the BAD ONLY! REACTION!
I could not but feel a little weird through out the video. Many topics are relevant and need to be addressed they also paint it in not too real fashion. Feels plastic and artificial. Maybe it's the type the production was made I could but not help feel tacky about the way it was produced.

I would like have to seen more details on what each person should do and take up how this will be in response to that or the other and how it will effect things in the whole. Which parts are critical. Understand that fiat money will have to go all together under current form. I saw it kinda strange about the ways to tackle the banks. No real calls to present a new system. Much was reallocating current budget... well you can have all the dollars you want. they won't be worth the paper they are printed on.

Too shallow, to little, and... well taking payment will ensure this might not spread enough unless piracy does it for them.

I concur much of the stuff could be put together in much shorter span than the years presented at the current time looking around a little in much better fashion. A video series of 5 or something tackling each point and part further more on solutions and actions rather than all the bad in one long go. Mix it up.

edit:
To shorten: THRIVE had TOO LITTLE 'thrive'!

Then let's make that 5 part video then Kamikaze! Let's be the change we wish to see in the world. Let me know what you think about the ideas below.

I'm going to be putting together a bunch of different fact packets for people in all different kinds of socioeconomic statuses, jobs and cultures, etc, where there are the unifying goals that focus on uniting the people against the issues we all face (global domination agenda, etc) then specific problems and ways to act that an individual can take.

For example, I'm rounding up the information to put together fact packets for each major at my university, engineering, finance, history, etc. For a university, engineering student, I will highlight issues that face university students in general such as student loans, poor job availabiliites, the dictatorial structure of universities, etc, then identify some real solutions (not fed by tptw) like ways to tackle our debt, organize people and create awareness of debt, organize people to demand their power back from the board of trustees, and more. Then identify some engineering problems, such as suppression of free energy, facts about free energy, the history of science and how school is not the end all be all for knowledge, and then tangible actions that they can take like forming roundtables, discussion of the issues, awareness-raising, and uniting the students with the faculty to exude their overwhleming, underutilized, unknown power together.

I really think it's about identifying the issues and solutions that people are most passionate about, (usually their job or life path). Also, solutions will come from the ppl at the local level, not from PA or tptw. This is why it is essential to empower the people of the world.

The film THRIVE is a great starting point for discussion and action.

Everyone reading these words, please, if you can help, contact me and let me know you are interested. And please, PA feedback is of utmost importance for me. I will create a separate, more detailed thread soon. Thank you.

Kamikaze, join me!

Phoenix

[realitycorrodes]

Even though the amount of money deposited in the bank by the Thrive movie scenario increases, it does not seem so bad as in theory their are assets that have been created to back the value of the money that is being deposited e.g. the first loan was used to buy a car for $9000, so when that $9000 is redeposited into the bank by the seller of the car, the bank money total reflects this recent $9000 deposit plus it also has a car worth $9000 if the first borrower cannot pay back their original loan of $9000. i.e. the money is always backed by a real physical tangivle object - so is not just money out of thin air. This does not seem too unreasonable to me. But I am not the that smart when it comes to this stuff - I am probably missing something hugely important. My apologies.

I am sensing I am way of topic here as well. I guess I will just research it better myself.

[Unified Serenity]

You know it's sort of funny. People complain because of Kerry's interview style. They complain of Bill's interviews. So now that we have a first rate move, Thrive, that is obviously an expensive production people are saying it's too slick. The only red flag that went up for me and I think that's because I am a conservative, is that the first step in the solution process is to deal with a more liberal aspect of the "cure" while the second phase is taking on the more conservative aspects involved in the solution. So, the only thing I can negatively surmise is "Oh sure, let's go about spending a lot of money doing x,y,z all in the name of fixing a problem and then we get stuck in that area while never dealing with the phase 2 aspect."

So, all in all, the information in Thrive was very good, there was nothing new in it for me, and I think it puts it all together so that the hardest critics I deal with can sit through it and have a hard time debunking what it presents.

[CdnSirian]

Sorry but am I the only one who thinks this is a set up?

We all waited for something to be done by tptb on 11.11.11, and here it is.

They now want the same as we want, disclosure, a collapse of the financial system and a change in the structure of this world.
Only they have planned and we have not.
They know that once the sheep awake, war home and abroad will ensue.
This they require for their depopulation and then saviour plans, which will seem as a relief from the misery which will have been.

Its a long con game.

Problem, Reaction, Solution. All this film does is give the problems, it doesn't give solutions, which it cant until there is a reaction.

Watch for the invasion of Iran and collapse of the Euro, as this is the start.

The only way out is for all of us to not go to war,to tell our sons and daugthers to be of peace, not to comply any more with made up laws,
to live by one law in this place which is do no harm,
to barter our labour and goods, to love the planet and all things upon it as we love our self, to not fear death as it is a natural cycle of life,
to be responsible for our choices and our life's.

To be moral.

The films research can be found by one being in under 6 months, nothing is said regarding real base issues such as chemical poisoning of food, national debt or the such like.

Will also say regarding indigenous peoples lands, how can anyone own anything? This is a wrong concept born of greed. We are careers of the land and all things which are part of that land. Above so below.
Live in harmony, not in greed.
In the film there is no spiritual grid discussed at all, why?

Consider this, if there are different factions fighting for control over the planet and us useless eaters,
then this is a way to promote one hidden sides agenda, use us to destroy them and then offer us a way to be secure again and in doing so, gain total control of us.

If what we think is true, then there is no way that this forum, this film, or any dissenting voice would be allowed to be heard.
You know this film is a set up for the future, can anyone say, Georgia Guide stones?

1 Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2 Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.
3 Unite humanity with a living new language.
4 Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.
5 Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6 Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7 Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8 Balance personal rights with social duties.
9 Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.
10 Be not a cancer on the earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.



Aikido, is not non-violent, you use another's force against them, you take what they are and reflect it back at them!

As I see it this film is of fear, produced by a small percent to awake the masses, so they will do harm!

I feel that maybe we are all still asleep and what we are allowed to know and discuss is only what is wanted to be known as a staging platform for some parties agenda to occur.
We all here know every part of this film. If this film goes MSM, then we have a problem.

End result, we need to come up with a real solution.

While I say the above, I must say that I did enjoy the film, just feel that the timing is very strange!!!

All which I state may be wrong, so please research things yourself.

Much love.
Even if it is intended as a setup, that does not mean it will act as one. For those who are intrigued by the topics in this film, and look further, it may provide them with a tipping point.

[CdnSirian]

Though a good summary. It's not complete. As others mentioned to much fear... Most of the stuff was concentrated on the global tyrannical agenda and painting it's targets. To little solutions. Just like skimmed in a flash, to be soon forgotten. People will remember all the BAD ONLY! REACTION!
I could not but feel a little weird through out the video. Many topics are relevant and need to be addressed they also paint it in not too real fashion. Feels plastic and artificial. Maybe it's the type the production was made I could but not help feel tacky about the way it was produced.

I would like have to seen more details on what each person should do and take up how this will be in response to that or the other and how it will effect things in the whole. Which parts are critical. Understand that fiat money will have to go all together under current form. I saw it kinda strange about the ways to tackle the banks. No real calls to present a new system. Much was reallocating current budget... well you can have all the dollars you want. they won't be worth the paper they are printed on.

Too shallow, to little, and... well taking payment will ensure this might not spread enough unless piracy does it for them.

I concur much of the stuff could be put together in much shorter span than the years presented at the current time looking around a little in much better fashion. A video series of 5 or something tackling each point and part further more on solutions and actions rather than all the bad in one long go. Mix it up.

edit:
To shorten: THRIVE had TOO LITTLE 'thrive'!

Small steps, small steps...

[CdnSirian]

While I say the above, I must say that I did enjoy the film, just feel that the timing is very strange!!!

I like what I've viewed so far of this ... it is well and clearly stated, and attractively presented.

What we do with it is yet to be seen. If it arouses more fear than useful action, then its energy will feed into the current unhealthy power dynamics of our human culture. If it arouses more awareness, as a prelude to useful action, then it can contribute to healing our culture.

So, yes, it could be a problem-reaction-solution provocation, intended to support further control by a few of the many, or it could be one more "light bulb", shining a little more awareness and light on our situation.


I would like have to seen more details on what each person should do and take up how this will be in response to that or the other and how it will effect things in the whole.

I would not fault the movie for not telling us what we should do.

Nor would I have listened much if it had told us.

Such movies are not the best place to find such leadership. Rather we find that in those individuals we trust and respect (such as in our selves.)

If you consider the few billion people for whom fear is a wake-up, then perhaps this film will be a catalyst that we, in our "awake and aware" awareness, can no longer imagine or appreciate. If so, the details, the failings (the items WE would have liked to see to reflect US), don't matter.

[CdnSirian]

I said it before and I say it again. This is not the solution it promise to be.

We are in an enormous transformation of human consciousness and of course

a lot of organisations are trying to hijack this process. Look here we have the

solutions to humans and the planets problem, you just have to do as we tell you.

You dont have to change, oh no we will take care of you, because you see you

are not able to think for yourself. So let us make the decissions.

On the thrive homepage they have collected a lot of experts who are gonna take

care of us and educate us, in how we ought to live our lives and take care of

the planet. I wonder wot agency that is behind this movie. LOL

I don't think transformation can be high-jacked. For instance, I personally think it's amazing that the "Occupiers" haven't all been gunned down, or incarcerated, or rendered to another country where torture is legal. I mean, that could be done, legally. They could all disappear and no one could say peep. So there is a lot of reservation being exercised over the control that could be exerted.

What if the motive behind this movie was to appear as mainstream as possible (if you have had any experience in fund-raising for movies, it's "I will say x minutes about xx topic in exchange for each $100,000 you donate, more or less) and all kinds of fund-raising people pleasing occurs, in order for xxx minutes of "the real stuff" to be crammed in there somewhere. Not saying that's exactly what happened, but could have.

The more OUR collective admires and appreciates every second we DID like about it, the more results will be created from that.

[CdnSirian]

I haven't seen that movie yet (no time still).

But I have seen the logo and some symbolism for it like in this picture ...

http://funfactory.spruz.com/gfile/75r4!-!GKDDEM!-!zrzor45!-!EEIHSPED-GQQO-HKKS-OLRG-RNSJGFJDOEIM!-!72y1nq/b1.jpg

The one eye and new dawn symbolism makes a bit suspicious what is actually the agenda here ...

Maybe (hopefully) I am wrong ... just a heads up.

But what matters it that you spotted it. And nothing is produced without that stuff - it doesn't matter. A producer, a director, they don't have say in everything. Unless every dollar paying for the movie is theirs. And to may the "dawn of a new day" symbol means hope. They don't know about those other guys - yet!

[CdnSirian]

Do you really think that most of us know wot this is all about?

Why do I then hear the snoring all over the forum world?

How can it be that we all agree about that the PTB are very

skillfull manipulators and obviously cant see through their

manipulations?




The crux.

No matter how inspirational our thoughts and ideas, as long as they can hoover them all up and have them packaged and for sale by Monday, we are still manipulated. At least, in the numbers game, we are. As long as there are more followers than sovereigns and leaders, their formula will continue to work for them.

Be more optimistic. The followers are highly irritated. The followers are "occupying". The followers are looking for something different to follow. The followers are looking for a different time line. And there is one, waiting.

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What I find so interesting is I know sacred geometry portrays the secrets of how our universe is organized. I have practiced Torus energetics all my life without thinking of it the way it's presented in this video. All of my intentions, meditation, working with manipulating weather, fire, and other physical aspects of life start from being grounded and in balance with my Torus energy field. I wonder how strong the few elites Torus energy fields are and if they spend a lot of time working with them. Is is wrong to begin an energetic action to influence their Torus fields to help them take this opportunity to change their world view, let go of greed, and envision building a new world with understanding how so much life would be more abundant for them and everyone if they let go of their base desire to control the natural resources and pile up money which they use to force their will upon the world out of a fear of their fellow man and losing status / power.

Maybe it's time to focus on that area. Some say just take them out. Just rise up and fight them physically, but I don't think that will work. I say help them envision a win win situation where they help the world and possibly become new founding fathers and dare I utter the words of a New Day for mankind? I know what I am feeling and the truth within my words, but I am sharing my thoughts here with you all, my avalon family whom I love so much. I nudge you, I argue with semantics and negative energy I often feel directed at certain areas, but in heart, I know we all want the same thing here. I think I know where I want to focus my writing and it will help me to stay in this energy to convey how deeply these things affect us, how messages are polluted, and how at the heart of most religions is the sacred seed of oneness, but it gets perverted by the power elites.

Thanks for bearing with me on this as I reflect and share. I look forward to your feedback as well.

Yes! Because the error was my message is too short -- yes yes yes!

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Huston we have a problem ...:wacko: Foster Gamble the maker is from the Empire Procter and Gamble...his caind of vary vary rich ...:plane:honestrly i waited this movie but the EYE when i sow the logo scared me a bit and now when i have the movie for free i prefer to dont watch it ... ^_^
Peace ....

I think this is true, but you have to look past that and see that results can occur that "they" didn't imagine.

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Foster Gamble states clearly in the film that he took a different path to that of his family. Foster Gamble is not Procter and Gamble. I hope I am not held accountable for some of my father's beliefs and actions.

So let's not force the sins of the father upon the son.

[CdnSirian]

So after finishing viewing 'Thrive' I must say I'm left with mixed feelings. For folk who are well versed in alternative information this barely scratches the surface.. you have to ask yourself, who was the intended audience here, certainly not the people who expected this film to release groundbreaking information and ways to implement meaningful change.

I'm a little disillusioned, the new weapon to our arsenal merely turned out to be a microphone to rally more troops into the squadron... not an ass-kicking bazooka that provides workable solutions to fixing our worldly woes.

Not many here will be satisfied with this one, but you've got to give credit where it's due -- It's not bad for a seed-planter.

We here at Avalon are not an intended audience!

[modwiz]

We now have a thread on con artists here at Avalon. Perhaps we could merge this thread with that one. :rolleyes::p:mod:

[CdnSirian]

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Hi, All:

I must say, I'm suspicious of this movie. I've not yet seen it (I paid my $5, but was unable to stream it on low bandwidth, and could not save it for later), but I sense many flags.

It feels too slick and commercial -- like there must have been big money behind it. It's also being very slickly marketed -- which really triggers me to caution. But I have no doubt that some of the info in it is very interesting and valuable.

Of interest, here's some information I read:

The free energy device shown in Thrive is a Homopolar Dynamo. The first DC homopolar dynamo was made by Faraday. Tesla refined the design, but it was confiscated by the Federal Government. Adam Trombly and Bruce DePalma recently made their own design, which they called the N-Machine.

Today, rumor has it that the US Navy uses 36.5 megawatt superconducting homopolar dynamos as onboard ship power stations. Meanwhile, Trombly and DePalma's N-Machine was also confiscated by the Federal Government -- classified under the Invention Secrecy Act.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHuLCSOKV4Y


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHuLCSOKV4Y

http://www.youtube.com/watchv=75p5JwlXwlo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75p5JwlXwlo

Bill, I agree it is slick in an uncomfortable way. But then, if it weren't, it could be passed off as "delusional hippie-like" or something similar. The path of the producer is always slippery and fraught with compromises. It may seem like whoredom, but "for he who hath ears let him hear". I think it can serve as a door-opener for many.

[CdnSirian]

O.K., I've responded to a lot of posts here. Great thread! So I'll stop! My point is, our expectations of information, revelations, data, etc., is so different, and let's not lose perspective. Any movie that could make all of us satisfied, right now, probably cannot be made. But, everything is changing. If we didn't believe that, we wouldn't be here, right? Regards to all.

[Laurel]

Today, rumor has it that the US Navy uses 36.5 megawatt superconducting homopolar dynamos as onboard ship power stations. Meanwhile, Trombly and DePalma's N-Machine was also confiscated by the Federal Government -- classified under the Invention Secrecy Act.

I didn't know about this act, which has been around since 1951. This is really disheartening, and can basically stop any technology from being released. Following is per Berkeley's website:

http://www.law.berkeley.edu/journals/btlj/articles/vol12/Lee/html/text.html



PROTECTING THE PRIVATE INVENTOR UNDER THE PEACETIME PROVISIONS OF THE INVENTION SECRECY ACT

SABING H. LEE

The Invention Secrecy Act of 1951 provides that whenever "the publication or disclosure of the invention by the granting of a patent ¼ would be detrimental to the national security "the Commissioner [of Patents] shall order that the invention be kept secret" ."2 Such an order prohibits the inventor from publishing or disclosing any material information relating to the invention.3

Since 1917, when the first invention secrecy act was created, 4 until the end of a twenty-nine year national emergency in 1979,5 virtually all of the secrecy orders existing in this country were authorized under legislation designed to protect the United States against the threat of conflict during times of war or national emergency.6 With the recent end to the Cold War, however, the threat to national security diminished significantly.7 Thus, one may ask whether the invention secrecy doctrine, which was created specifically in response to the threat of war, can be applied to authorize secrecy orders during a time of peace.

The government's increasing propensity to impose peacetime secrecy orders underscores the need to reassess their validity under changed conditions. Since 1983, the number of government-imposed secrecy orders increased by about 40 percent, from 3,900 in 1983 to 6,033 in 1993.8 This latter figure is comparable to the number of orders in effect at the height of World War II.9 This increase may be partially attributed to the Cold War threat during the 1980s and partially attributed to the general increase in the number of patents being issued. However, the number of secrecy orders is still unusually high for a country that currently faces no major conflict.10

Invention secrecy orders negatively impact private interests. Although invention secrecy originally affected only military employees and military technologies, in recent years the Invention Secrecy Act has increasingly been applied to private inventors.11 Many of these inventors develop dual-use technologies, i.e., inventions with both military and commercial purposes.12 In 1991, over three-quarters of all new secrecy orders-506 out of 774-were issued to private inventors.13 These orders covered technologies such as computer hardware, advanced ceramics, laser systems, semiconductor manufacturing technologies, automated process control systems, highly specialized software, video display technology, space photography, industrial plating, and advanced sensors.14 Thus, one may ask whether peacetime secrecy orders place unnecessary burdens upon private inventors of primarily non-military inventions.

...

c. Is There a Taking for Public Use?

For a constitutional government taking to occur, the taking must be for a "public use." The public use requirement is a very broad one, allowing a taking so long as it is rationally related to a conceivable public purpose.368 "The scope of the 'public use' requirement of the Takings Clause is 'coterminous with the scope of a sovereign's police powers.'"369 The protection of national security falls within the scope of these police powers. "The Fifth Amendment implicitly sanctions the taking of private property for public use by requiring only that just compensation be paid therefore" . [P]ublic use includes not only what is necessary for national security but also what is needed for maintaining public health and safety."370 Because a secrecy order serves to protect the national security, the public use requirement is satisfied.

There is much more information in this paper. I've only copied a few excerpts. Is it time to take off the rose-colored glasses and have a good cry?

[modwiz]

A few reviews from 'out there'.

http://helpfreetheearth.com/news461_thrive.html
http://sherriequestioningall.blogspot.com/2011/11/thrive-movie-is-not-about-thriving-at.html

Thrive is like a mcnugget. You may like it, but you shouldn't.

[HaveBlue]

I wasn't aware $5 was required. I DLed an FLV version at almost 500mb and then an AVI version which was 2gb. (concen.org)
Yes it is very slick and almost like one of those religious adverts however everything in it is what most here aere already aware of.
It is taking the same info and presenting it to a more mainstream market. I doubt avalonians will learn much that isn't common knowledge to us but getting the word out to more and more on planet earth has to be a good thing.

So for that I won't knock it too hard and be tolerant of a different angle than the type of footage that camelot is known for. Which I much prefer BTW. Camelots style is far more believeable to us folks but there are other 'markets' or types of people that need more , shall we say a more gentle baby sat approach. We like the full story, especially when it is not cut to pieces. 4 and a half hours is what we get if that is what happened with Bill and or Kerry.

[Eric J (Viking)]

The solutions presented by Thrive here ...


1. Get Informed, Speak Up & Connect with Others

2. Bank Locally

3. Buy and Invest Responsibly

4. Join the Movement to Audit and End the Federal Reserve

5. Keep the Internet Fair & Open

6. Support Independent Media

7. Support Organic, Non-GMO Farming

8. Require Election & Campaign Finance Reform

9. Advocate for Renewable and "Free" Energy

10. Take Part in Critical Mass Actions

Now we all know the ptw do not want us to connect and speak out...we all know that they would not want us to bank locally...we all know that they would not ask us to buy and invest with resposibility...we all know they most certainly do not want to end the fed and have it audited to find the real truth where billions have simply dissapeared...we all know as Rockerfella has stated that he would want more control of the internet and would not want it to be kept open with fairness...we all know the ptw would not want you to support independant altenative media...we also know that the ptw do not want to support organic and non gmo farming...we know that they have suppresed free energy...and we also know that the ptw would not want anything to do with critical mass actions for the support of the 'people' ...

So my question is which one of these solutions would benefit the PTW???


Perhaps we are just too suspicious for our own good. Will we recognize the real guys when they lift the veil completely...and will we embrace our galactic brothers with open arms?

edit ... if you cannot find the Video mail me ...

viking

[Bo Atkinson]

"So my question is which one of these solutions would benefit the PTW???"

I think one speculation is that multiple, large, very-centralized sectors of population could heavily subscribe and then......

Given sudden-war with marshal laws, internet outages, bank holidays, etc... One or more very centralized networks might become the only whistleblower network(s) period.

Nevertheless, many of my friends and family were sent the movie link. It might help start discussion.

[Eric J (Viking)]

The solutions presented by Thrive here ...


1. Get Informed, Speak Up & Connect with Others

2. Bank Locally

3. Buy and Invest Responsibly

4. Join the Movement to Audit and End the Federal Reserve

5. Keep the Internet Fair & Open

6. Support Independent Media

7. Support Organic, Non-GMO Farming

8. Require Election & Campaign Finance Reform

9. Advocate for Renewable and "Free" Energy

10. Take Part in Critical Mass Actions

Now we all know the ptw do not want us to connect and speak out...we all know that they would not want us to bank locally...we all know that they would not ask us to buy and invest with resposibility...we all know they most certainly do not want to end the fed and have it audited to find the real truth where billions have simply dissapeared...we all know as Rockerfella has stated that he would want more control of the internet and would not want it to be kept open with fairness...we all know the ptw would not want you to support independant altenative media...we also know that the ptw do not want to support organic and non gmo farming...we know that they have suppresed free energy...and we also know that the ptw would not want anything to do with critical mass actions for the support of the 'people' ...

So my question is which one of these solutions would benefit the PTW???


Perhaps we are just too suspicious for our own good. Will we recognize the real guys when they lift the veil completely...and will we embrace our galactic brothers with open arms?

edit ... if you cannot find the Video mail me ...

viking

Thanks Wavy

The ten solutions which 'Thrive' have presented would never be adopted by the PTW ...for obvious reasons ... if they were to introduce any one of those that I have listed they would lose control/power ... this is the point! think about it...

IMHO the ptw have nothing to do with the 'Thrive' movie ... they are losing grip, and they know it, they will try anything to give them the edge !! They will stop at nothing to give the impression that they are still in control ... THE WORLD IS WAKING UP!

viking

[norman]

IMHO the ptw have nothing to do with the 'Thrive' movie ... they are losing grip, and they know it, they will try anything to give them the edge !! They will stop at nothing to give the impression that they are still in control ... THE WORLD IS WAKING UP!

viking




EXACTLY ! Viking....

You may be right. I'd be happy to find out that you are.

[norman]

meanwhile...............





1. Get Informed, Speak Up & Connect with Others [ they've calculated that the inertia is in their favour, it's too late ]

2. Bank Locally [ there won't be any money we can bank locally with ]

3. Buy and Invest Responsibly [ Ditto, see 2 ]

4. Join the Movement to Audit and End the Federal Reserve [ The Fed is history anyway, IMF and WB are the new versions ]

5. Keep the Internet Fair & Open [ I can't see how we can stop them taking it over or shutting it down, if they want to ]

6. Support Independent Media [ Independent media will be out of action inside FEMA camps ]

7. Support Organic, Non-GMO Farming [ There won't be any organic non GMO farming to support ]

8. Require Election & Campaign Finance Reform [ wishful thinking that ain't going to happen ]

9. Advocate for Renewable and "Free" Energy [ sure, go ahead, see where it get's you ]

10. Take Part in Critical Mass Actions [ and unleash martial law, in the process, great (not) ]




If I can work that out in my head, I'm damn sure their AI computer modelling has done it all for them. Remember, they don't expect all of us to be enthusiastic about their plan. They have known that from the start. All they have to do is keep the numbers game tilted fully in their favour. They have all the critical numbers stacked up. Also, they are moving faster than we are. We are dependent on large scale awakening, which is our inertia handicap. They are not.

Yea, I know that's pretty pessimistic. It's up to others see the challenge and prove me wrong. Go ahead. I'll be right there cheering for you all the way.

[Eric J (Viking)]

meanwhile...............





1. Get Informed, Speak Up & Connect with Others [ they've calculated that the inertia is in their favour, it's too late ]

2. Bank Locally [ there won't be any money we can bank locally with ]

3. Buy and Invest Responsibly [ Ditto, see 2 ]

4. Join the Movement to Audit and End the Federal Reserve [ The Fed is history anyway, IMF and WB are the new versions ]

5. Keep the Internet Fair & Open [ I can't see how we can stop them taking it over or shutting it down, if they want to ]

6. Support Independent Media [ Independent media will be out of action inside FEMA camps ]

7. Support Organic, Non-GMO Farming [ There won't be any organic non GMO farming to support ]

8. Require Election & Campaign Finance Reform [ wishful thinking that ain't going to happen ]

9. Advocate for Renewable and "Free" Energy [ sure, go ahead, see where it get's you ]

10. Take Part in Critical Mass Actions [ and unleash martial law, in the process, great (not) ]




If I can work that out in my head, I'm damn sure their AI computer modelling has done it all for them. Remember, they don't expect all of us to be enthusiastic about their plan. They have known that from the start. All they have to do is keep the numbers game tilted fully in their favour. They have all the critical numbers stacked up. Also, they are moving faster than we are. We are dependent on large scale awakening, which is our inertia handicap. They are not.

Yea, I know that's pretty pessimistic. It's up to others see the challenge and prove me wrong. Go ahead. I'll be right there cheering for you all the way.

WOW ... Norman thats pretty depressing, its obvious where you are taking your consciousness and thought patterns...theres no ponit in arguing what you've highlighted in red...phew!

Some advise my freind......... change your mind set/thought patterns...with that in mind how do you think we got in this mess we are in... like I said every trick in the book ...

Happy thinking ;)

viking

[Star Wonder]

I liked the movie. The only thing that bothered me was that the host was so soft spoken. He didn't seem to have the passion and force in his voice that could persuade people. At first I wasn't sure which way he was going as he presented so many issues, but he brought them all together nicely.

[Dennis Jonathan]

I liked this, but I think my main criticism is that it is just another well made intro to the subject.


My focus is on learning, growing, and the application of (X^x)

Not evangelizing (x)

Know what I mean?

[Kamikaze]

delete it all.

[STATIC]

Here is a new link to it on youtube if anyone is having trouble

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[Phoenix1304]

When I saw the trailer for this movie, I was near ecstatic and posted it on FB while wondering why we had to wait so long, until 11.11.11. I was delighted that it was slick and had great production values, about time I thought, a great act of philanthropy from Foster G. So many of us have been doing what we can at grassroots levels, I even posted my own little 45 min film on YouTube, pathetically amateurish in comparison, but trying to get the word out, inform and prod. So let's be clear that I was HUGELY behind this movie.

11.11.11 came and went, I couldn't buy the DVD in UK yet, streaming it would make it available to about 6 of my friends and I felt it needed to go viral, it wasn't long before someone of good intention posted it on YouTube, I sent the link out to my network. Next day it had been pulled. I was deeply disappointed, I thought they'd made a collosall mistake by exerting the iron fist of copyright, critical posts started to appear on my newsfeed. I wanted to post something at their site, I was confronted by the quality merchandising, the question mark above my head pinged and I began to wonder if it was a set up.

Don't get me wrong, I loved the film, I wanted to have Foster Gamble's babies for half of it, but in the outer reaches of my awareness the red flags were flipping up 'FEMAs got the coffins ready for you; nowhere to run, nowhere to hide; unimaginably powerful elite' and then the rather soggy solutions; I had that uneasy feeling I get when listening to Alex Jones (which I don't any more btw). The trailer had the best bits for sure.

Came here and see I wasn't alone with my flags and pings. Ah we're so sophisticated! Isn't it sad that others are so often trying to outwit you when all you want is the best for all? But as I said in my Solutions post, if it is a set up, it will probably backfire, because raised awareness will result in intolerance of what's not working and a demand for solutions.

I hope it does the job of raising awareness because my nephew joined the army and just volunteered to go to Afghanistan and it shattered my hope that the young are thinking outside the box, on the contrary, they're stuck to it and are programmed to drink, fight and bonk their way out of thinking at all.

The Occupy movement tells me that many thousands have 'had enough and aren't going to take it any more', I'm holding the vision that people power will change the world yet.

I'm thankful for the film regardless, though I noted while laughing, Modwiz's comment Thrive is like a chicken Mcnugget, you like it but know you shouldn't.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Realitycorrodes:
the money is always backed by a real physical tangivle object - so is not just money out of thin air. This does not seem too unreasonable to me.

That's the point. We have it backwards. It's not money that supports the tangible goods, it's goods that support the money. So, money is superfluous to the equation.

Also, we have not talked about interest on the debt. Interest is not borrowed, it rides atop the money supply. Therefore, it can never be paid back. Usary enslaves. The inevitable collapse of the monetary system is inherent in this flaw. The usary is the control matrix. It keeps us indebted to the owners of the private central banks. Yes private. As the movie Zeitgeist claimed The Federal Reserve is no more federal than Federal Express.

So if you think that creating money from another's debt is not such a bad thing, consider the deal-breaking, slave-creating usary imposed on those debts. Money created out of thin air, with no assets to back them up, should not have compounded interest attached to it. It wasn't like these rich guys dug into their own pockets and they are that much poorer. No, they typed a few keys on a keyboard and, poof!, new money! Well, guess what, I can do that and so can you just as easy. Where did they get the right? I do not have that right. And neither do you. Then why should they?

[ThePythonicCow]

Money created out of thin air, with no assets to back them up, should not have compounded interest attached to it. It wasn't like these rich guys dug into their own pockets and they are that much poorer. No, they typed a few keys on a keyboard and, poof!, new money!
This is a widely shared view, by those who understand the dirty secret of our money system.

It is deceptive, in my view.

Pretty much all substantial monetary systems involve some authorized party (government or central bank) generating money, in exchange for something, be that goods and services that they deem desirable, or be that a promissory note (a promise of future payback, perhaps secured by some property, income or tax revenue stream.) Simple receipts for currently held value, such as gold receipts, do not provide a mechanism for "time shifting" value - exchanging present for future value, and are insufficient for any rapidly expanding economy based on energy scarcity.

Some of the more successful examples, such as the currency that Ben Franklin printed for some of the colonies (http://www.revolutionary-war-and-beyond.com/a-modest-enquiry-into-the-nature-and-necessity-of-a-paper-currency-by-benjamin-franklin.html), involved a government or reliable agent thereof printing the money. Some of the more notorious examples involve a central bank controlled more by an independent class of wealthy Banksters printing the money.

In the current example of the US Federal Reserve, the Banksters control the terms. If it is for some good or service that they deem worthwhile, they just print the money, in exchange for that good or service. This is how black projects are paid for, "off budget." Otherwise, the Federal Reserve demands some promise of repayment and some seize-able property or revenue stream as security.

So it's never "just printing" ... it's always printing in exchange for something, either present goods and services, or the future promise of something worthwhile (your house, your car, your income, or your nation :).)

Anytime that

this authority to generate money is held by
the same party who can control the level of economic activity,
who controls the judicial, legal and enforcement mechanisms, and
who holds or who can obtain the rights of being the first lien holder in the event of foreclosurer,then you're toast. That party can in order: jack up debt,
slam the economy into a depression so no one can make payments, and
then foreclose on all.
End result, the rest of us are their debt slaves, and they own the world.

[Ixopoborn]

... I'm left with mixed feelings. For folk who are well versed in alternative information this barely scratches the surface...

I have just finished watching the movie after a prompt from a friend. I echo Double's comment. If the film were a book, it would indeed be a very light read for anyone who has already studied the material.

Near the beginning of this thread there were some comments about whether the film was made or financed by the controllers. Personally, I see no evidence for that.

I quite liked the film but the million dollar question is whether it will make any difference in the world. Not a lot else matters. The acid test here is how would the movie affect the mind of an unaware person. What proportion of fast asleep people will this film stir into awareness? There is only one way to find out. Share the film with unaware folk and measure how they react.

Why don't we all do that.

[jp11]

I too just completed the movie...and have now passed it on to my family in hopes that they will watch it and pass it on. I've been reading and working with this info for over 25 years and still have not read, seen or heard it all. For those that claim this is not new info, have you read, seen or heard it all...really?

I thank you viking for creating this thread and STATIC for the latest youtube link. modwiz I read some input from the links you provided for the dissenting reviews. Because of my own filter I immediately had the thought that they (tptw) would do anything to discourage us, those of us supposedly awake and aware, from taking nonviolent action to bring about change. Like I said, my filter.

Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion and I choose to believe Foster Gamble and his wife are sincere in their efforts to make this information available. I also choose to believe that each of us can and is making a difference in the world. Our thoughts matter and mine are focused on continuing to turn this huge ship in the direction of peace, cooperation, free energy and abundance for the many. Now is the time...the time has certainly come.

:yes4:

[Simonm]

Foster Gamble states clearly in the film that he took a different path to that of his family. Foster Gamble is not Procter and Gamble. I hope I am not held accountable for some of my father's beliefs and actions.

I truly hope my son is NEVER held accountable for some of the things I have done in my past. We are all individuals and as such have to find our own way through life. A lot are whinging that the film doesn't go far enough, but it does. It plants the seed, just as zeitgeist did for a lot, me included. Mighty oaks from little acorns grow.

[music]

'We're damned if we do and damned if we don't' ...

I say wake them up regardless of how ... on the way in the meantime if we get to an obstacle that doesn't ring true then we can argue the case... until then, lets wake as many as we possibly can.

If this is the process that we have got to go through to get to the 'light' then thats fine by me...We will get to the end of the tunnel regardless of what the ptw place ahead of us.

viking

Exactly. Nothing will ever change if we allow ourselves to become so paranoid that we stifle and hobble ourselves at every turn. If the film was made by an agency, it is a very ill-advised move, because an awakened human is an unstoppable and uncontrollable force.

My advice to all is to take that step back from the pain and bitterness of the ego, where paranoia makes every breath an agony, and fall back into the Heart.

This is the proper abode of the awakened human.

[chapmaan]

Hi everyone, I'm new here.

I certainly understand many of the views expressed here in regard to the intention behind this film. I didn't find much in here that furthered my own knowledge but one of the biggest problems in being an alternative thinker is that many of those people you're trying to share your knowledge with simply don't want to know.

There can be many reasons which I see have been discussed here at great length, but let me offer my own experience. I simply put this movie on after the kids went to bed and it didn't take more than 5 minutes for my better half to start taking an interest. She's not close minded but I sometimes think she takes my ramblings with a very decent serve of salt. Anyway, a lot of what was presented, in a format that appeals to those not yet woken (that feels patronising to say but I'm sure you get my meaning) is exactly what I've been 'going on' about for years.

If this movie means that she, and others, will be more open to 'alternative' information regarding the world in which we live how can that be a bad thing?

Remember, they have us to help sort out the information from the manipulation.

[1derer]

I watched the movie before it got pulled on YT and found it to be quite revealing. I don't really care who runs the world, as long as they want the best for Mother Earth and humanity. I hope that this will happen, but we need to change our thinking form service-to-self, to service-to-others before we can make any difference.

[Ixopoborn]

Hi everyone, I'm new here.

I certainly understand many of the views expressed here in regard to the intention behind this film. I didn't find much in here that furthered my own knowledge but one of the biggest problems in being an alternative thinker is that many of those people you're trying to share your knowledge with simply don't want to know.

There can be many reasons which I see have been discussed here at great length, but let me offer my own experience. I simply put this movie on after the kids went to bed and it didn't take more than 5 minutes for my better half to start taking an interest. She's not close minded but I sometimes think she takes my ramblings with a very decent serve of salt. Anyway, a lot of what was presented, in a format that appeals to those not yet woken (that feels patronising to say but I'm sure you get my meaning) is exactly what I've been 'going on' about for years.

If this movie means that she, and others, will be more open to 'alternative' information regarding the world in which we live how can that be a bad thing?

Remember, they have us to help sort out the information from the manipulation.

Exactly chapman well said and I am glad your small field test on your wife has gone well. I am doing similar tests right now, not on my wife - she is pretty much on the right page already, on friends who are close to understanding.

People are waking up faster and faster but we must keep pushing with actions as well as intent. Hopefully the Thrive movie will prove worthwhile in accelerating the process.

The other movie I use to help people begin to wake up is this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0ibsoqjPac

This is the Burzynski movie which completely destroys the belief that the health system is anything but hopelessly corrupt. It is a good starting point because waking up can only happen after you are forced to modify your prior cosy world view.

I have found the Burzynski movie does this excellently!

[modwiz]

There is something about Thrive project that makes me think of the story of Hansel and Gretel.

[Muzz]

Make sure ya got breadcrumbs modwiz :)

[modwiz]

Make sure ya got breadcrumbs modwiz :)

Thrive is the breadcrumbs. Funny how following breadcrumbs can be a bit of a 'Gamble'.

[Eric J (Viking)]

There is something about Thrive project that makes me think of the story of Hansel and Gretel.

I don't believe in 'Fairy Stories' ... :p :madgrin:

viking

[kersley]

The message is clear. we need to take action and stop waiting for the other person to go first. Be the first, be the change.. This is our planet that don't just belong to the 1%..
We all need to do whatever is necessary to bring about change.

[mh842]

It's a pretty good broad stroking of the big picture. But it does not go into enough detail. I like it and recommend watching it.

[modwiz]

It's a pretty good broad stroking of the big picture. But it does not go into enough detail. I like it and recommend watching it.

Yeah, I felt 'stroked' by it.

[DianeKJ]

:p ah you crack me up! Thanks I needed that today~~


It's a pretty good broad stroking of the big picture. But it does not go into enough detail. I like it and recommend watching it.

Yeah, I felt 'stroked' by it.

[HaveBlue]

Just as well it was the from the Gamble side of Proctor and Gamble or you may have found your self 'proctor- scoped too!'

¤=[Post Update]=¤

You may not have believed in Santa claus either viking untill you found out he was you!

[Eric J (Viking)]

[/COLOR]You may not have believed in Santa claus either viking untill you found out he was you!

'He was me' ? ... have I missed something? :confused:

viking

[Ron Mauer Sr]

As said, if I knew some one who could make a free energy device and speak with them, I would ask for the plans to make it and how to make it and then plaster it all over the net, give flyers out, tell every one I met. I would sell all that I have to get it known.

Yes I may die quickly, but It would be out there.

Plastering design notes all over the web and giving flyers out would be a great way to get engineers and hobbyists experimenting with and building free energy devices. But if the people who have this information apply for a patent it will never see the light of day.

[HaveBlue]

Viking. A man goes through 3 stages of life. He does believe in Santa Claus. He doesn't believe in Santa Claus. He is Santa Claus!
If you have kids or are the giving type it makes perfect sense.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Viking. A man goes through 3 stages of life. He does believe in Santa Claus. He doesn't believe in Santa Claus. He is Santa Claus!
If you have kids or are the giving type it makes perfect sense.

Cheers HaveBlue ... yes I missed that one, mistook the message ... yes with 4 kids I certainly am ... I must say I'm not a great lover of this time of the year, seems soooo plasticy...just another tool for them to create greed amongst the populous...lets not forget the less fortunate ...

Anyway another link here for the 'Thrive' film ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mlbmlsj5lC4&sns=em

viking

[gripreaper]

I watched it. My reaction was: "it's comprehensive enough to give to someone who is totally green to what's really going on, as an opener to awaken their curiosity.

Yes, it may be funded by Proctor and Gamble and have nefarious intentions built into it, but it still has enough content and truth to it to make it palatable and useful.

[luciole]

Hi! I don't write much on the forum, because I find it difficult to express myself in English, but I have to say, that when I saw Thrive, I just had to come and say something!

I had this really strange feeling all along, wondering what the hidden agenda was... ok, this sounds paranoid, but after being deceived by the zeitgest movies (publicity for the Venus Project) and different movements on internet, I look at things more carefully now.

Now when I see that the producers and presentor, and co-writter, is Fotser Gamble and his wife....erm, I have a problem with a guy who owns a a multinational corporation talking to me about theese subjects.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procter_%26_Gamble

He is telling us how he was shocked when he learns about the influence of the rockefellers, Rothchilds etc.. the banking system, and warning us about the NWO!!! OMG!!! Shock horror, like he never new anything about this?

Oh yes, and he does mention that proctor and gamble elaborated the RFID chip!!!!!!But it's being used by mean guys to take away our freedom and rights...

Also, I read on wikipedia article that Proctor and Gamble, sold the first toothpaste containing FLUORIDE.... hummm...makes you wonder!

Can anyone tell me what they find strange about this? Why does the poster for the film have an illuminati one eye symbolism?

I have a gut feeling that this guy is trying to get a message to the largest number of people by gathering up in one documentary all the conspiracies out on the internet!!! It's like a big marketing pitch for something and it makes me really uneasy....
Does anyone else share this feeling?

[Tony]

Hello luciole,
I agree with you. This is a highly polished piece of misdirection propaganda, down to the spectre in the eye on the poster.
The ending is like a image from the "Watchtower" magazine...a little too over done happy clappy!

Tony

[Hughe]

luciole

Thank you. You are one of rare people that I've seen who tells the Zeitgeist movement has twisted agenda.

I had this really strange feeling all along, wondering what the hidden agenda was... ok, this sounds paranoid, but after being deceived by the zeitgest movies (publicity for the Venus Project) and different movements on internet, I look at things more carefully now.
When do we people really wake up, see the real truth?

I say all those futuristic plans that disregard Free Energy technologies will down the toilet. Solar, wind, geothermal is good for a house or tiny community assuming the area is disaster free.

They keep telling us ground transportation is awesome instead air transportation. Hundred million dollars car becomes useless when the road is blocked.

[luciole]

haaaa I'm glad I am not alone in this!!!


I was a real fan of the first Zeitgest . It really made me change paradigms! After that I started checking out info on the web, and ran into Project Camelot!
But when I saw the second film, I realised that it was using a great marketing tactic to get us all hooked on to the Venus Project. You know those type of adds, that don't talk about the product, and that create a huge buzz? and then a couple of months later they talk about the product!!!

I really felt naïve!

Well, I am waiting to see the sales pitch.

;)

[Eric J (Viking)]

Luciole,pie'n'eal and Hughey ....For what possible benefit would the PTB release this film??

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34727-THRIVE-...The-Full-Movie.&p=358783&viewfull=1#post358783

viking

[luciole]

You have a point Viking! I think there are great ideas in the documentary, and if it can change mentalities, and give people ideas to change their world in a positive way, I say Yes!!!
Like I said before, Zeitgest changed the way I saw the world around me!

The thing that really gets to me, is that Foster Gamble is the direct descendant of James Gamble. The company is a fortune 500 american Multinational corporation.
It just makes me wonder....
oh and the other, thing that makes me uneasy..
this "End the fed" thing..... sounds very Occupy Wall Street....and some times sounds like a Ron Paul Campain.....Just wondering!!!!!

But hey, this is why I wanted to come here and talk about it, because, there is a bunch of great people on this forum, with different views on the world!

[GlassSteagallfan]

Excellent flick, 5 star!

[Tony]

Luciole,pie'n'eal and Hughey ....For what possible benefit would the PTB release this film??

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34727-THRIVE-...The-Full-Movie.&p=358783&viewfull=1#post358783

viking

Well, it was making suggestion of aliens making crop circles rather than humans = a distraction.
It made suggestions of free energy, but was very fluffy on details = we know all this.
The middle with D. Icke about the pyramid structure of the banks was fine.
The ending suggested the the Feds were going to roll over, and let us take over = fantasy feel good factor.

A lie has bits of truth in to give it credibility.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Luciole,pie'n'eal and Hughey ....For what possible benefit would the PTB release this film??

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34727-THRIVE-...The-Full-Movie.&p=358783&viewfull=1#post358783

viking

Well, it was making suggestion of aliens making crop circles rather than humans = a distraction.
It made suggestions of free energy, but was very fluffy on details = we know all this.
The middle with D. Icke about the pyramid structure of the banks was fine.
The ending suggested the the Feds were going to roll over, and let us take over = fantasy feel good factor.

A lie has bits of truth in to give it credibility.

No worries Pie ...as long as it wakes a few of them up...that's the goal ... I try not to nit pick at these crucial times...for me, any truth is good...just a peek at the 'treasure' will motivate further investigation...

viking

[Eric J (Viking)]

Oh forgot to mention this...

quote...
Dear Thrive Network,

Over one million people have watched THRIVE since its launch on 11/11/11!

And, as expected, our film has created some lively and deep conversations. While there have been many reviews, I wanted to address one particular article that was authored by Charles Eisenstein, as I have written a detailed response to some of things he states in his commentary (which you can see by clicking here).

I chose Charles’ piece to respond to at this level as it covers a myriad of issues that lead to pivotal conversations that can help shape the direction we are going.

I hope this is useful and as always, I welcome your comments and questions!

Foster



Foster Gamble’s Response to Charles Eisenstein’s Critique of THRIVE:

Charles Eisenstein, the author of Sacred Economics, has written an article (Synchronicity, Myth and the New World Order) and a critique of THRIVE: What on Earth Will It Take?, that has engendered much discussion. I welcome this opportunity to have a broad and public conversation to look more deeply into some very important issues that he and THRIVE raise.

I took the time to read Charles’ book in depth, and though I disagree with much of what Charles proposes, I think his work has important offerings. My intention is that this on-going conversation further our mutual quest for core ethics, truth and effectiveness in transitioning to a world where all can thrive.



Correcting Some Inaccuracies

Before diving into the philosophical and strategic discussion, I want to clear up some initial inaccuracies in the review of THRIVE. The title of the review (“THRIVE: The Story is Wrong but the Spirit is Right”) immediately casts our discussion into the polarization of right and wrong. I recommend some different distinctions going forward: 1) more or less USEFUL, and 2) ETHICAL or NON-ETHICAL.

Charles’ assumption that I was invoking (p.3) and trying to wage a “war against EVIL” (p. 1) is contrary to the tone and claims in THRIVE. I do not believe there is some separate force in the Universe called EVIL. Perhaps he confused this with his own observation in his conspiracy article, “Evil and its expression as The New World Order...has like all other things its place in the world.” (P. 15) I do observe that some people, in certain mental/emotional conditions and self-justified by certain worldviews and institutions, do intentionally mean and destructive (“sinister”) things to others. I am very interested in protecting life by neutralizing the aggression of those individuals and transforming the systems and obsoleting the agendas of which they are a part.

Next, I want to be clear that THRIVE is not advocating or counting on some sort of “Technological Utopianism.”


Charles claims:

“...the film’s contention that the main reason for the misery of the Third World masses is lack of access to energy, and that unlimited clean energy would be a near-panacea for humanity’s problems and would usher in an era of abundance. The story here – call it “technological utopianism” – is that technology is going to rescue us, create a new and better world, and solve our problems.”

I believe that having cheap, clean and safe access to energy all over the planet would be a huge boost economically, ecologically and would provide useful evidence for a new paradigm of universal abundance. It supplements, but does not replace shifts in consciousness as well as financial and other systems. Access to energy and means for healthy commerce (i.e. an honest money system) are currently bottlenecks through which people can be impoverished and forced to put all their attention on subsistence instead of thriving. Thrivemovement.com goes into the myriad issues that accompany the liberated global access to energy and economic solvency. We emphasize the core transformation of energy and commerce systems because without that other changes are insufficient.

Though Charles writes in his book that “free energy technologies have been in existence for at least a century,” (SE, p.443), in his THRIVE review he contradicts himself by taking a swipe at our credibility in saying, “I won’t consider here the scientific plausibility of such technology, which appears to violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics.”
Let me clarify that first, a toroidal technology, like an atom, a human or a galaxy is an open system and the 2nd Law applies to closed systems. It’s not the motion of the machine which is perpetual, (all matter wears down) it’s the source of energy! Second, what is the explanation for the fact that these inventors are getting raided, shut down, threatened and sometimes killed if they are actually all charlatans? It’s documented that the US Government has denied and confiscated over 3000 patent applications for alternative energy devices. Doesn’t it make sense that they might actually know something about how and which devices actually work?

In his book, Charles goes so far as to excuse J.P. Morgan’s suppression of Nikola Tesla’s radiant energy tower by writing “Perhaps Morgan was even on some level cognizant that humanity was not ready for Tesla’s gift.” (Sacred Economics, p. 443).

Wow. I wonder how all the people suffering from lack of energy and all the species rendered extinct in the course of dirty energy proliferation feel about that.

Eisenstein refers to THRIVE having attracted a “cult following.” This strange and inaccurate term, of course, has been seized upon and often repeated by government trolls and would-be debunkers to try to undermine the credibility of the thrive movement. More accurately, the movie has been seen by over a million people all over the world in its first month with over 95% rave approval and appreciation for providing coherent, fact-based information and grounded solution strategies. I request that intelligent critical thinkers who appreciate THRIVE not be dismissed as cult followers. There is no cult here and the people finding value in this critical information deserve more respect.

Charles has obviously done a lot of research for his book. I especially appreciate his detailed look into the history of money, alternative currencies, localization and his efforts to come up with some out-of-the-box thinking about what approaches might restore healthy lives and ecologies. It’s well worth the $16 he charges for it on Amazon – especially for its value in triggering critical thinking and exploratory interchanges just like this one.

My two biggest concerns about the Eisenstein perspective are that:

a) It can serve to lull people back to sleep and provide the temporary comfort of denial, while distracting from what is really going on...and

b) Many of its proposals, though sounding good at first blush, are ultimately based on government intervention backed by threats of violence - rather than the true protection of the rights of each individual.



Conspiracy

Although Eisenstein acknowledges on page 13 of his book that a totalitarian one world government seems to be approaching, he then goes on (pages 3,5,8,9,14,91) to undermine others from taking it any more seriously than to work on our egos and remember our oneness. An example:

“What if our emotions and beliefs actually attract experiential data that fits them...so that it looks like a conspiracy even if there are no conspirators?” (NWO, p.8)

No conspirators? People conspiring to accomplish certain goals is undeniable- the question is at what scale and to what end. Check out http://wikileaksnews.net/33-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true-infowars.html. I am personally encouraged to know that what we experience as systems-wide failure is not random or just the cruelty and incompetence of all of humanity, but instead the consequence of our unwitting participation in an agenda that we have the power to obsolete through non-violent non-participation.

Belief in conspiracy theories is a ...victim state. (NWO, p.5)

If we ignore the agenda for domination, we will end up experiencing a whole new level of meaning to the term “victim state.”

In one of his most unlikely conclusions, Charles states:

“A nefarious power, inimical to human well-being, manipulates the course of human events from behind the scenes, seeking the total control of every human being. Rather than an evil Illuminati, could that power be money? Could it be that it is rather the money system that controls the global elite?”

This is like saying the gun was guilty of the murder. Are the banking elite unaware of the unfair advantage the money scam gives them? They have the power to remedy it if it is not their intention. Our corrupt money system did not create itself, nor will it get rid of itself without dedicated effort.



“ Give me control of a nation’s money system and I care not who creates the laws.”

Mayer Amschel Rothschild


“Who controls the food supply controls the people; who controls the energy can control whole continents; who controls money can control the world.”

Henry Kissinger, 1973



Charles writes that...”conspiracy theories eventually bring most people to a kind of despair, even paralysis...” (NWO, p.14)

Gratefully, this is not the reaction we are getting to THRIVE. Viewers report that the tone, the coherence, the honoring of nature and the human spirit, and especially the in-depth solutions, provide a sense of motivation, traction and viable things to do with the energy that arises. Many people feel validated in their perception and more hopeful than ever now that we have thrivemovement.com through which to share vital information within a context of hope and activism.

He says: “The conspirators are not others, they are we, you and I and everyone...”

This is an example of where I think it is vital to remember our unification, while simultaneously recognizing our individual distinction. Why do we take care to avoid a dangerous street if we are walking alone at night? Some people are desperate and will harm others. That is true on small and large scales and pretending otherwise is dangerous.


Solutions

When I search for viable solutions being suggested by Eisenstein’s “sacred” approach, unfortunately a great number of them seem to play directly into the hands of the agenda for global control and undermine the individual’s rights and ability to take action.



Non-Action

Charles writes that:

“The dark energies have nearly run their course... Though some might try to hold onto it a little longer, sooner or later they will accept that their time is over, and they will bow out of service...” (NWO, p.15)

What is the evidence for this? I do not see any indication that they are going to go away on their own. In my experience, it always comes down to individuals waking up, speaking up and taking action if we are going to expose and transcend tyranny.


Choose a Belief that Feels Good

“I suggest we choose a belief, and the corresponding psychological state accompanying it...consider how each belief-state feels, what it implies about the world, about human

beings, and about oneself.” (NWO, p. 12)

How about logic and observation? How about going through the uncomfortable feelings that may come up around facts we wish weren’t true? Shall we pretend no one is starving because it doesn’t feel good to acknowledge it? I believe we can be empowered by feeling the discomfort - as anyone who has successfully navigated grief or rage can attest to. On the other side we feel the strength of knowing we are not victims and that we have the right to control our own lives, as long as we do no harm to others.


No Principles

“I, however, don’t live by principles, nor do I recommend it.”(NWO, p. 398)

I believe that in order for people to live without rulers dominating their actions, we need clear rules instead - based on the core principle of non-violation - that no one has the right to violate another person or their property except in true self-defense.

Just for the record, there are numerous principles Eisenstein recommends. Some of them follow.

“To charge a fee for service, or even for material good, violates the spirit of the Gift.” (SE, p. 401)


Impracticality

“The key to right livelihood is to live off gifts.” (SE, p. 397)

“Musicians, artists, prostitutes, healers, counselors, and teachers all offer gifts that are debased when we assign them a price...the only honorable way to offer it is as a gift.” (SE – 412)



Theft

“Most corporations and business owners are not ready to step into a gift-based business mode. That’s OK – you can give then a little push! Simply implement it unilaterally by “stealing” their products, for example by illegally downloading or copying digital content like songs, movies, software, and so on.” (SE, p. 411)

To imagine that people’s lives are going to be restored by others stealing from them is dangerously incomplete and self-serving in its logic. If you want to gift your goods then gift them. But to impose your choice not to on the creator of them is violation, and exactly what gives you the right to impose that violation?

Though Charles has written, “When we convert ‘have to’ into ‘want to’ we are free,” (SE, p. 358), many of his proposals seem to be ultimately based on force.



The state could determine by fiat who gets credit...” (SE, p. 456)

And we have confidence in this why? Every State in history has grown to violate its people. I believe people have the right to determine their own systems of exchange and that those that serve the real needs will prevail without State imposition or subsidy.



Fractional Reserve

Charles states: In a fractional reserve system, one way to view what happens is that banks are not creating new money at all, but simply allowing existing money to be in two places at once. (SE, p. 454)

This notion has reached its ludicrous exposure in so-called “naked short sales” where up to 300 people have been documented to be claiming to own the same shares of stock. It has been used by investment banks to manipulate markets to the disastrous destruction of many individual’s financial well-being.

He then says: “Is the money in your savings account “really there” or not? That is the question that bothers “real money” advocates, but ultimately it is not a useful question.” (SE, p.455)

”In a credit system, most of the credit should go to those who will put it to good use.”

(Who decides what “good” is? To prevent abortion? To support it?)

He goes on to say, “The “social function” I describe doesn’t dictate to whom it goes; it merely sets the conditions so that it will be most likely to go to a certain area that represents the social consensus of good use. This function can be adjusted.”(SE, p.456)

By whom? – The enlightened? Property is based fundamentally on our right to own ourselves, our bodies...and then the fruits of our labor. As soon as you eliminate property and give authority to a state, much less control over a fiat credit system, you have all the key historical ingredients for tyranny. I assert that the fundamental unit of wholeness at the human level is each individual, not the “social consensus.” It is of grave concern to me that Charles writes that the Marxist solution “does not reach deeply enough.” (SE, p. 185) If there is no valid property, do you endorse violating a person’s body? How about their home, their bank account, their income? Where exactly would you draw the line? What rights do you think an individual should be free to defend?

“We are using money to destroy money...

The time for the mindset of wealth preservation is over. Wealth preservation brings to mind a swarm of rats, each clamoring over the others to reach the top of the mast of a ship that is sinking.”

The desire to “kill” money, I believe, is better channeled into having an honest money system with no lending of money one doesn’t have, no printing of money that doesn’t correspond to value. It is about sound, honest and accurate money (medium of exchange) rather than, in effect, raiding someone’s investments, grain silo, or rainy day savings to re-distribute it against their will. This coercive approach is, I believe, based on the very notions of scarcity and fear that Charles is trying to overcome and ignores the creative capacity of humans to innovate how to do more with less (lighter building materials, more capable shrinking computers, zero-point energy devices, robotics, virtual communication, electric cars...) In agrarian societies of old, women managed banks based on honest interest repayable with the fruits of the harvest – fruits, grains, and offspring – tapping the creativity of nature. The Sumerian word for interest meant “calf.” (Web of Debt, Ellen Brown, p. 58)



Preservation of Existing Financial Structure

Charles says: “Perhaps most importantly, a credit-based system can accommodate all of the proposals of this book without the revolutionary destruction of the existing financial infrastructure and rebuilding of a new one.” (SE p. 457)

I suggest the key word is voluntary. It is not what kind of monetary system is the best for some to impose, but how do we preserve the freedom to have people be able to try different currencies, different kind of banks, different kinds of insurance and dispute resolution organizations so that the ones that are most trustworthy rise to the surface, and without state subsidies or bailouts, the less sound ones disappear. Is a “sacred economy” one where a few individuals who consider themselves wiser than the rest centralize control and try to manage markets, prices and money supplies, or is it the on-going flow of free individuals exchanging by reciprocal and mutual agreement?


Non-Aggression Principle

On page 78 of Sacred Economics is a dangerously misunderstood interpretation of liberty. It implies that the liberty perspective is somehow “dependent on impersonal and coercive institutions that govern from afar.” My research leads to exactly the opposite conclusion. I recommend to Eisenstein that he read more carefully the one person in his bibliography, Hans Hoppe, who does not write in favor of state controlled economics, and also to explore Stefan Molyneux, who will show countless viable alternatives to government that foster just and thriving community.

Charles has written, “Ultimately, I envision decentralized, self-organizing, emergent, peer-to-peer, ecologically integrated expressions of political will.” (SE, p. 187)

Here is an ethical level on which I believe we can all meet. I look forward to potential future collaboration in such an endeavor.



Conclusion

Consciousness growth is not a substitute for activism. I think that for us to be free and thrive, they need to be able to proceed hand in hand. I agree that to focus on the meta-psychology is of great value. There is no reason for that to impede or distract those who are waking up and standing up to take highly-leveraged, non-violent action.

http://www.thrivemovement.com/foster-gamble-responds-to-thrive-critiques.blog

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viking

[TheSwede]

Ok, I'm with Viking on this one. Anything in this movie isn't any news for most people here at Avalon. But if I look at my own family's and friend's perspective this is really fast and comprehensive facts about how the corrupt world works. Thats the only important thing to me.

I don't give a rats *** what their private objectives are, this video will help my loved ones waking up(and most likely others also), getting a sniff on how the world works on most topics. Its a pedagogic quick education that anyone can comprehend without wasting HOURS and DAYS looking things up.

You need to think from the perspective of "Joe sixpack" down the street as Bob Dean says it. This is a great movie to wake people up and start investigating, looking up facts themselves. Maybe the Gamble's have a private brawl with the bankers and wanna revenge. I don't speculate so I don't care. This is a good thing, PERIOD.

Just as the Zeitgeist movies woke lots of people up. Who cares about their agenda if there even is any...

[Billy]

James talks about the movie Thrive

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[Tony]

What truly surprises me, is that James does not talk about any insight, or original approach.
There is no how we should take the next steps, just feeling good.

in Buddhism there incredible nuts and bolts approach to everything,
here nothing....?!

just because a man on a screen says something, doesn't make it so.

Somebody please give me some real information!!!!!


Yours,
Tony

[Billy]

What truly surprises me, is that James does not talk about any insight, or original approach.
There is no how we should take the next steps, just feeling good.

in Buddhism there incredible nuts and bolts approach to everything,
here nothing....?!

just because a man on a screen says something, doesn't make it so.

Somebody please give me some real information!!!!!


Yours,
Tony

I believe James mentions " Loving your neighbour " at the end of the video. Is this not the best approach Tony ??

[Hughe]

I watched it. The later part turned into another Zeigest movement.
It is shallow overall.

Honestly any one who think we owns the history of Earth is simply wrong. Natural evolutionary process? LOL.
Why he went back to money and conventional living as better world? Interesting.

I was expecting to see how he would develop social/economic change of society based on decentralized energy independent communities. Free Energy must be sensitive issue to him. How many segments he had to remove?

[Tony]

What truly surprises me, is that James does not talk about any insight, or original approach.
There is no how we should take the next steps, just feeling good.

in Buddhism there incredible nuts and bolts approach to everything,
here nothing....?!

just because a man on a screen says something, doesn't make it so.

Somebody please give me some real information!!!!!


Yours,
Tony

I believe James mentions " Loving your neighbour " at the end of the video. Is this not the best approach Tony ??

You are right, but then we have to know how to manifest this Love.
Love can manifest as pacifying, enriching, magnetising and destroying any of ego's games, which hide the Light.

[Billy]

What truly surprises me, is that James does not talk about any insight, or original approach.
There is no how we should take the next steps, just feeling good.

in Buddhism there incredible nuts and bolts approach to everything,
here nothing....?!

just because a man on a screen says something, doesn't make it so.

Somebody please give me some real information!!!!!


Yours,
Tony

I believe James mentions " Loving your neighbour " at the end of the video. Is this not the best approach Tony ??

You are right, but then we have to know how to manifest this Love.
Love can manifest as pacifying, enriching, magnetising and destroying any of ego's games, which hide the Light.

Yes Tony the expression of the word love can be used to have control over others. Kindness towards others is a way of expressing a pure love. We can resist love but who can resist acts of kindness.

Peace

[Antagenet]

The words and ideas were mostly (but not all) about what I believe is true
and if the transcript of the film was read by a newbie awakener, I think there would be some value in it...

HOWEVER....
the feeling TONE of the movie left me de-energised...
It was done in a monotone.. a kind of soothing musak voice..
instead of expressing what a new awakener would be probably feeling... shock and dismay..

Imagine the newbie listener is given the red pill, the the shock of their life.. in a monotone!
What would the effect be? I suspect an overwhelming sense of powerlessness.

I have been politically awake for over a decade, and this thrive did not add to my sense of energetic
sense of power or OOMPH to ACT. Not to mention the last part, the solution part was anemic and
the website they derail their audience to, laughable.



I suspect this flick was done by the controllers to co-opt the red pill experience,
to smoothe over the urge to act, rebel or have a creative response to survival..

I saw the movie on a small computer screen and had to run to meditate afterwards
to get my energy back UP to normal... I can only imagine how de-energised I would have
felt if I saw it on a large screen.

That one eye, it watches us to make sure we are under their control.
This slick flick is another way to dis-empower us. I woudlnt recommend anyone to see this.

[Tarka the Duck]

@Antagenet

You have managed to sum up my feelings exactly! Thank you!
It is a while since I saw the film, but I am left with a memory of the most disturbing part for me - the end of the film, with the portrayal of a "perfect world", a Utopia...it reminded me of the cover picture of heaven on Jehovah's Witness magazines.
It seemed simplistic and idealised to an extreme.

Kathie

[Tony]

What truly surprises me, is that James does not talk about any insight, or original approach.
There is no how we should take the next steps, just feeling good.

in Buddhism there incredible nuts and bolts approach to everything,
here nothing....?!

just because a man on a screen says something, doesn't make it so.

Somebody please give me some real information!!!!!


Yours,
Tony

I believe James mentions " Loving your neighbour " at the end of the video. Is this not the best approach Tony ??

You are right, but then we have to know how to manifest this Love.
Love can manifest as pacifying, enriching, magnetising and destroying any of ego's games, which hide the Light.

Yes Tony the expression of the word love can be used to have control over others. Kindness towards others is a way of expressing a pure love. We can resist love but who can resist acts of kindness.

Peace

Billy, you are right again. We cannot resist kindness, but we still have to be aware.

Like everything else there are levels of kindness.
From genuine spontaneous kindness to ego-centred kindness that sends out little arrows......!
We have to be honest with ourselves.

The world is full of supposed kindness with a hidden agenda.
We have to go beyond blame or praise.
Both are used with futile diligence in the world.

Kindest regards,
Tony

[Billy]

What truly surprises me, is that James does not talk about any insight, or original approach.
There is no how we should take the next steps, just feeling good.

in Buddhism there incredible nuts and bolts approach to everything,
here nothing....?!

just because a man on a screen says something, doesn't make it so.

Somebody please give me some real information!!!!!


Yours,
Tony

I believe James mentions " Loving your neighbour " at the end of the video. Is this not the best approach Tony ??

You are right, but then we have to know how to manifest this Love.
Love can manifest as pacifying, enriching, magnetising and destroying any of ego's games, which hide the Light.

Yes Tony the expression of the word love can be used to have control over others. Kindness towards others is a way of expressing a pure love. We can resist love but who can resist acts of kindness.

Peace

Billy, you are right again. We cannot resist kindness, but we still have to be aware.

Like everything else there are levels of kindness.
From genuine spontaneous kindness to ego-centred kindness that sends out little arrows......!
We have to be honest with ourselves.

The world is full of supposed kindness with a hidden agenda.
We have to go beyond blame or praise.
Both are used with futile diligence in the world.

Kindest regards,
Tony

Hi Tony, You are correct about being aware of the EGO, i would add not only when expressing acts of kindness towards others, but in every situation whether positive or negative that we experience throughout the human journey. Each soul has their own learning process with their EGO and we should never allow our EGO to prevent acts of kindness.
True Kindness is an expression of compassion, love and caring towards others. When expressed from pure of heart there is no inflated Ego involved, If there is an inflated Ego before, during or after expressing acts of kindness then this is not coming from a pure heart.

Expressing kindness quietly and in secret assists us to go beyond blame or praise.

Peace

[Tony]

What truly surprises me, is that James does not talk about any insight, or original approach.
There is no how we should take the next steps, just feeling good.

in Buddhism there incredible nuts and bolts approach to everything,
here nothing....?!

just because a man on a screen says something, doesn't make it so.

Somebody please give me some real information!!!!!


Yours,
Tony

I believe James mentions " Loving your neighbour " at the end of the video. Is this not the best approach Tony ??

You are right, but then we have to know how to manifest this Love.
Love can manifest as pacifying, enriching, magnetising and destroying any of ego's games, which hide the Light.

Yes Tony the expression of the word love can be used to have control over others. Kindness towards others is a way of expressing a pure love. We can resist love but who can resist acts of kindness.

Peace

Billy, you are right again. We cannot resist kindness, but we still have to be aware.

Like everything else there are levels of kindness.
From genuine spontaneous kindness to ego-centred kindness that sends out little arrows......!
We have to be honest with ourselves.

The world is full of supposed kindness with a hidden agenda.
We have to go beyond blame or praise.
Both are used with futile diligence in the world.

Kindest regards,
Tony

Hi Tony, You are correct about being aware of the EGO, i would add not only when expressing acts of kindness towards others, but in every situation whether positive or negative that we experience throughout the human journey. Each soul has their own learning process with their EGO and we should never allow our EGO to prevent acts of kindness.
True Kindness is an expression of compassion, love and caring towards others. When expressed from pure of heart there is no inflated Ego involved, If there is an inflated Ego before, during or after expressing acts of kindness then this is not coming from a pure heart.

Expressing kindness quietly and in secret assists us to go beyond blame or praise.

Peace

Dear Billy,
I totally agree..nothing to argue about there.....peace perfect peace!....:hug:

[yiolas]

Hey guys, I was able to watch the movie when Viking posted a free link. Thanks Viking, eventhough it was ultimately removed. Anyway, by the end of the movie I was in tears !In fact I cried myself to sleep. It was a real confirmation of the injustices done to the human race throughout millenia. I felt helpless and depressed and this is why. Please read below an excerpt from Sherrie's Blog (http://sherriequestioningall.blogspot.com/2011/11/thrive-movie-is-not-about-thriving-at.html#comment-form)

Thrive the Movie - Is NOT about Thriving at all! In my opinion, It sucks energy out of you and does not give any real solutions! It is an Elite controlled and made Movie - This is contrary to "popular" belief!
I know what I am posting about it, is totally contrary to "popular" belief and the hype about it.

In my opinion the movie was made to suck people's energy out of them and make them feel hopeless! It is so overwhelming in what they say. For one hour and 37 minutes it is nothing but "You have no Hope and you are a slave!"........

...............It came out on 11/11/11 and they wanted people to watch it that day. A day of master numbers where people should be connecting to the higher energies, but if they had watched that movie that day their energies were lowered and sucked out, in my opinion. There was nothing about Thriving in the movie in my opinion, it was about every conspiracy theory there is to make you feel depressed and caged in as a slave!

The title is completely misleading - it should be "We have made a movie to show you how we control everything in the world and there is nothing you can really do about it."

EARTH RAINBOW NETWORK (http://www.earthrainbownetwork.com/Archives2011/SpecialActionAlert.htm) also has some interesting comments on "THRIVE" These are some othe comments to the movieIt is a manipulation tool filled with hooks and subliminal messages directed at the viewer to gain access to your energy centers through your pineal and pituitary glands. It attacks your base chakra (your survival center) and your solar plexus chakra (your personal power center), and closes off your crown chakra (your soul's link to the universal energy fields that keep you animated in your body). It closes off these sacred centers to all but the creatures who want their own dark access to your energy fields.


This movie is meant to create depression and the feeling of hopelessness in people. For 1.5 hours it tells you all the ways you have been captured and controlled, flashes control symbols across the screen in constant "implant" mode to help with their chording of your energy, and then tells you to send money to, and become members of some of the very NGOs (non-government organizations) that are being used to control everyone.


It is a very clever movie, made with sincere intent to let us know that the ruling elite know that we know what they have done, and are continuing to do to have control over us. EVERYTHING to the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Morgans, and others is about control and has been for the past 13K years.


This movie is not about some of the elite opening up to become "one of us" and turn against their peers. It is about letting us know that they have accomplished what they set out to do. It is an "in your face" bragging event that was specifically created to gather the rag tag independents who still want to think for themselves, and implant them with chords and subliminal instructions.


One of the things that I noticed NOT mentioned in this film is that ALL religions are used as control mechanisms. In fact, they have been the most effective tool for this purpose.


You can remove these chords by asking your guides, healers and angels to come and help you gently pull these chords out of your being, and to gently erase any messages implanted in you that are contrary to your true spiritual sovereignty and personal freedom. Do not "cut the chords" this leaves pieces of the chords in you and they can still be used.

Well, now I know why I felt the way I did. Really, I thought that I had more discernment, than to allow myself to be exposed to such manipulations.

http://www.earthrainbownetwork.com/Archives2011/SpecialActionAlert.htm

http://sherriequestioningall.blogspot.com/2011/11/thrive-movie-is-not-about-thriving-at.html#comment-form

[TargeT]

Well, now I know why I felt the way I did. Really, I thought that I had more discernment, than to allow myself to be exposed to such manipulations.




wow, finally my not getting around to something till way after i intend to pays off!

[The Advocate]

this advocate believes one solution not explored above is a popular demand for restoration of our constitutional rights to prevent abuses of power by special interest groups through a progressive removal from office of all those politicians who regularly support wall street interests over the interest of human rights and the rights of the American people.

[The Advocate]

The Advocate- partly concurs and but also disagrees with several of the statements made above. My own impression is that the artful subliminal messages in Thrive is timely and quite justified.

My own personal war against bank terrorism began when 87- year old mother lost her home of 60 years after becoming victim of a commercial predatory lending swindle in which she never received any money. Amazingly I found hundreds of similar cases. This is why I founded Kokopelli Community Workshop Corporation (http://CommuniversityMagazine.org); an organization with a mandate to assist all victims of predatory lending; particularly the elderly and handicapped victims of predatory lending followed by a quick non-judicial foreclosure and resale of their homes or property.
After working full-time for more than six years as a full-time homeowners advocate; I can assure you that once foreclosure is initiated by the bank- the process is inevitable and regardless of the individual circumstances the foreclosure entities are entirely ruthless- with little regard for the particular circumstances .
I can also inform you that no matter how overt and predatory the swindle- the very professional and ruthless bank attorneys will inevitably take possession of the victims' home and property on behalf of their employers- I have seen handicapped victims in wheelchairs sobbing as they are thrown out of their homes by the sheriffs, as a result of summary victims instituted by a very ruthless and proficient mortgage foreclosure machine.
Literally over 20nmillion Americans including terminally ill and severely handicapped victims of predatory lending have been cast out of their homes into the streets with no chance or hope of and consideration or compromise since the “mortgage crash” of 2008.
I have personally assisted literally hundreds of victims who cannot afford attorneys to file lawsuits providing the court with hard facts and evidence that the victims were unfairly swindled. Our courts are routinely unsympathetic with the victims plight -even when the predatory lending victim manages to retain a highly competent homeowners advocate attorney. Many of these attorneys become so frustrated with our courts that they either quit practicing law or have nervous break downs.
The Aesthetics of Resistance (German: Die Ästhetik des Widerstands) is a three-volume novel by the German-born playwright, novelist, filmmaker, and painter Peter Weiss. Weiss suggests that the only way to overcome oppression lies in the refusal to renounce resistance, no matter how intense the oppression, and that is mostly in our art (like the movie Thrive or the Movie Avatar) that new models of political action and social understanding may be discovered .
My other vocation is that of a mystic- who continually turns to her Soul Group and past life experiences to explore just why and how I chose to reincarnate at this time and for this work. My mentors range from spirit guides - angels and elemental. I have pushed the envelop of my awakening to understand why and how I was elected to challenge an unfair and corrupt judicial system. Last week I dipped into my very minimal and dwindling personal resources to send copies of the Thrive movie to every federal district judge currently sitting on the bench in San Diego County. Our introductory letter addressed to these judges is available to anyone who contacts me and lets me know they are interested.

[Eric J (Viking)]

The Advocate- partly concurs and but also disagrees with several of the statements made above. My own impression is that the artful subliminal messages in Thrive is timely and quite justified.

My own personal war against bank terrorism began when 87- year old mother lost her home of 60 years after becoming victim of a commercial predatory lending swindle in which she never received any money. Amazingly I found hundreds of similar cases. This is why I founded Kokopelli Community Workshop Corporation (http://CommuniversityMagazine.org); an organization with a mandate to assist all victims of predatory lending; particularly the elderly and handicapped victims of predatory lending followed by a quick non-judicial foreclosure and resale of their homes or property.
After working full-time for more than six years as a full-time homeowners advocate; I can assure you that once foreclosure is initiated by the bank- the process is inevitable and regardless of the individual circumstances the foreclosure entities are entirely ruthless- with little regard for the particular circumstances .
I can also inform you that no matter how overt and predatory the swindle- the very professional and ruthless bank attorneys will inevitably take possession of the victims' home and property on behalf of their employers- I have seen handicapped victims in wheelchairs sobbing as they are thrown out of their homes by the sheriffs, as a result of summary victims instituted by a very ruthless and proficient mortgage foreclosure machine.
Literally over 20nmillion Americans including terminally ill and severely handicapped victims of predatory lending have been cast out of their homes into the streets with no chance or hope of and consideration or compromise since the “mortgage crash” of 2008.
I have personally assisted literally hundreds of victims who cannot afford attorneys to file lawsuits providing the court with hard facts and evidence that the victims were unfairly swindled. Our courts are routinely unsympathetic with the victims plight -even when the predatory lending victim manages to retain a highly competent homeowners advocate attorney. Many of these attorneys become so frustrated with our courts that they either quit practicing law or have nervous break downs.
The Aesthetics of Resistance (German: Die Ästhetik des Widerstands) is a three-volume novel by the German-born playwright, novelist, filmmaker, and painter Peter Weiss. Weiss suggests that the only way to overcome oppression lies in the refusal to renounce resistance, no matter how intense the oppression, and that is mostly in our art (like the movie Thrive or the Movie Avatar) that new models of political action and social understanding may be discovered .
My other vocation is that of a mystic- who continually turns to her Soul Group and past life experiences to explore just why and how I chose to reincarnate at this time and for this work. My mentors range from spirit guides - angels and elemental. I have pushed the envelop of my awakening to understand why and how I was elected to challenge an unfair and corrupt judicial system. Last week I dipped into my very minimal and dwindling personal resources to send copies of the Thrive movie to every federal district judge currently sitting on the bench in San Diego County. Our introductory letter addressed to these judges is available to anyone who contacts me and lets me know they are interested.

Thanks for that Advocate ... I have always stated that any tool to wake up the masses must be a good thing!... Thrive is starting to awaken a few more ... once they realize the play is orchestrated to suit the few greedy few, the consciousness will change ... its a slow process, but we will get there in the end...once enough of us have reached the tipping point, then the path becomes easier and clearer...

It would be great to have a peep at the introductory letter you mentioned Advocate.

I ask all the naysayers...what are doing to awaken the masses??

Blessings

viking

[Tony]

Anything that is produced for the masses is meant to put them to sleep.
Ah..things are getting better...so I can doze a little z...zzzz..zzzz....zzz..z...

[Eric J (Viking)]

Anything that is produced for the masses is meant to put them to sleep.
Ah..things are getting better...so I can doze a little z...zzzz..zzzz....zzz..z...

Nighty nite then.

viking

[jorr lundstrom]

Anything that is produced for the masses is meant to put them to sleep.
Ah..things are getting better...so I can doze a little z...zzzz..zzzz....zzz..z...


Pien, you are a naughty boy. We cant have anything that negative on the forum.

The risk is great that people get upset and suddenly motivated to wake up and

wonder wots going on. And if people wakes up they might stand in their own

authority, and we cant handle that here. So, please rephrase the message in

a positive style, maybe with a syrup coating as well. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz...........

[jeanluck]

It sucks energy out of you and does not give any real solutions! It is an Elite controlled and made Movie - This is contrary to "popular" belief!

So there are no real solutions showed in the Documentary?..... ¿Then What about this?:



The solutions presented by Thrive here ...


1. Get Informed, Speak Up & Connect with Others

2. Bank Locally

3. Buy and Invest Responsibly

4. Join the Movement to Audit and End the Federal Reserve

5. Keep the Internet Fair & Open

6. Support Independent Media

7. Support Organic, Non-GMO Farming

8. Require Election & Campaign Finance Reform

9. Advocate for Renewable and "Free" Energy

10. Take Part in Critical Mass Actions



I dont see how is give support to free energy tecnologies and inform the people about it, not part of real solutions.

I Watched the documentary and i felt tired mentally, but i think it is because is a “Documentary” where data is presented constatly and the viewer needs to do a constant analysis for 2 hours. This is not a Hollywood film where the viewer gets entertained with action or comedy.

I have seen some Alex Jones Documentarys, and after watching one of those i have felt more tired than after waching Thrive, I think this is because the main purpose is to inform not to entertain, and Alex Jones does not use advance graphic effects in most of his documentarys, and also he does not have a big budget.

Thrive has good graphic effects and some complex topics are simplified for the viewer (Like the economy stuff), that is why i think it is a good tool to inform people who dont know about Free Energy Tecnologys and the NWO.

Here is a Link of a interview of Thrive Documentary Maker Foster Gamble:
http://pesn.com/2011/12/09/9601979_Interview_with_Thrive_Documentary_Maker_Foster_Gamble/

One last thing, If the PTB really did this documentary, then they are stupid.

[BestLion]

I watched this film Thrive, about 3/4th worth and was bored with it and turned it off. I didnt learn one thing from it that I didnt already know. IMHO it is more geared not to people on this forum , but people new to all this..it is more less an intro to all of this. The guy who made it claims he spent a lifetime in this pursuit and info..I kind of felt sorry for him, if he spent 2-3 weeks on this forum, and the project Camelot stuff he would have saved tons of times.

[yiolas]

I watched this film Thrive, about 3/4th worth and was bored with it and turned it off. I didnt learn one thing from it that I didnt already know. IMHO it is more geared not to people on this forum , but people new to all this..it is more less an intro to all of this. The guy who made it claims he spent a lifetime in this pursuit and info..I kind of felt sorry for him, if he spent 2-3 weeks on this forum, and the project Camelot stuff he would have saved tons of times.
Hi BL, your right. It is meant for the just awakened. A 'starter movie' of sorts for those not yet aware of the shameless scam that has been going on in our reality. When I watched it though it made me mad and depressed all over again.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Update here from Foster Gamble ... interviewed by Lilou ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO39Bif9hL0

viking

[Eric J (Viking)]

Bump... good info...


Update here from Foster Gamble ... interviewed by Lilou ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO39Bif9hL0

viking

[Kimberley]

Viking good find ... I am going to start a new thread because I think this interview is so good!!
Thank you!
Much love

[Eric J (Viking)]

Viking good find ... I am going to start a new thread because I think this interview is so good!!
Thank you!
Much love

The more the merrier...

viking

[BestLion]

Free energy isn't appealing to TPTB, because the US dollar is backed by oil..its often called the petrol dollar...and without petrol the USD would collapse..Did you know any nation who wishes to buy oil has to exchange their money for USD and buy oil only with dollars? All currencies are really energy backed, not gold backed, and have been that way since 1972.
Free energy would be wonderful, but it would destroy the power base of the current regimes in power.
The coal age ended around 1910..then came the oil age which created the fastest rate of technology, advancements and population that the world has ever seen. it became the base line of the monetary systems. Even with this new energy oil will still be needed to make plastics, and 100s of other things, but it sure would cute down consumption we currently use 80 million barrels a day of this Texas tea.
I am also sure they have the technology to give this new energy, but they wont.. Scoundrels they are!

[jp11]

I just saw this on the thread Kimberley started...and thought oh, I wonder if it made here...only to find out that's where she saw it.

I too had seen it earlier today as a response on the Divine Cosmos site but wasn't able to post it. Great to see it here on PA in two different threads!

Thanks viking. :)

[Connecting with Sauce]

I now a one of my aware friends showed this to one of her house mates who isn't aware yet... and his response wasn't favourable dismissing it... Not sure how much he watched.

I got a work collegue to watch it and he liked the trailer but thought the subject matter jumped about and was not well presented. People in the Matrix are only ready when they are ready I suppose...

John

[jeanluck]

Even with this new energy oil will still be needed to make plastics, and 100s of other things, but it sure would cute down consumption we currently use 80 million barrels a day of this Texas tea.
I am also sure they have the technology to give this new energy, but they wont.. Scoundrels they are!


The Hemp plant can be used to create fuel and plastic among many other things, in fact humanity has needed little oil, gas or coal but TPTB used MSM and governments to create the public perception of the great need of oil

Henry Ford recognized the utility of the hemp plant. He constructed a car of resin stiffened hemp fiber, and even ran the car on ethanol made from hemp. Ford knew that hemp could produce vast economic resources if widely cultivated.

http://hempcar.org/ford.shtml

Hemp: Fuel Food Fiber Medicine Industry
http://hempcar.org/hempfacts.shtml

[Kerrigan]

http://i27.fastpic.ru/big/2012/0121/02/ccd96b2d2064b533fda5a81fb9ae3802.jpg

I haven't watched the movie yet, but the poster has a really bad vibe to it... I say, watch out for disinfo brothers and sisters of Avalon!

This creepy one eye flash... with the vector symbol and the sun over the horizon! What would Jordan Maxwell think of this poster!?

I keep on thinking, is this movie the new Zeitgeist? I would have to watch it before commenting more! brb lol!

:llama

[cloud9]

I wanted to send the link to one of my friends and the video has been removed, I tried to find another one with the full movie but I couldn't find anything. Does anybody know of a link for the full movie?
Thank you,
Cloud

[Globeflyer]

Would also like a link .Thank you in anticipation.!!!!!!!!!!

[Tane Mahuta]

I wanted to send the link to one of my friends and the video has been removed, I tried to find another one with the full movie but I couldn't find anything. Does anybody know of a link for the full movie?
Thank you,
Cloud

cloud9 one only needs to google "Thrive"....it's out there!! (a link I mean)

Haven't see the doco' myself, I say take what resonates.....discard what doesn't.

TM

[Project_Buggy_Beach]

I shelled over the few dollars to virtually rent Thrive and what I can say is its very well done, it would be a good starting point to try and introduce people who are not as versed in these subjects as most Avalonians. I would like to see more solutions to the problems as well, but the harsh reality of solutions taking several generations to manifest is a truth most of the population doesn't want to face, who knows maybe its the next ten years when all of the suppression opens up and we have a golden age, or maybe its 100 years off. I do believe new information releases are directly tied to the general level of the Earth's population's consciousness, so even though most of those on the website here have thought through all of these issues surpassing the level of 99% of most on the planet it doesn't do us any good until everyone's on board. I liked the film, I feel it has benevolent value...

[TigaHawk]

I AM SO PEEVED RIGHT NOW

http://i.imgur.com/I4eNb.jpg
(click link for zoom u cant read it unless you're superman in the big pic)

http://i.imgur.com/I4eNb.jpg

[sdv]

Wasn't Thrive going to be made freely available to everyone online this month? Let's look out for that and post it on the forum when this happens.

[sdv]

Yep, Thrive available for free from 5 April ...http://www.thrivemovement.com/foster-gamble-announces-thrive-movie-available-free-online-april5-2012.blog