Magniwork

[Syl]

http://www.magniwork.com/?hop=4elliott

should i order this? or could it be bogus?

[Cjay]

I am curious too. If anyone has actually bought this giude and succeeded building a generator that works as claimed, I would love to hear from them.

I originally read about Magniwork two years ago but I found some info claiming it was a scam, so I did not proceed. However, I wonder if the scam claims are dis-info intended to discredit a system that works.

[jorr lundstrom]

My idea of free energy is that its free. When you make a buisness out

of free energy its not free. Im sorry, this is the Old World Order.

[Etherios]

My idea of free energy is that its free. When you make a buisness out

of free energy its not free. Im sorry, this is the Old World Order.

there is no such think as "free" energy. Even the zero point energy machines draw energy from somewhere. Its just that is so much energy in the universe that we dont see something used to create it ... thus we say free.

It has nothing to do with money. Money is not energy ... and its not real. We make it real so plz dont mix money with energy theories...

[Syl]

some say its a scam... anyways i found the full manual,.. for free, offcourse ;)

http://www.ivantic.net/Energija/Magnivvork.pdf

[Old Snake]

Syl,

I have folowed Magniwork, and it is an absolute scam.

O.S.

[sigma6]

if it really worked why wouldn't someone just start making and selling them?... duh...

[sigma6]

It has nothing to do with money. Money is not energy ... and its not real. We make it real so plz dont mix money with energy theories...

Off topic:
Ehterios, I just caught this, and wanted to comment, Money is a kind of energy, but here's the catch, it's purpose is specifically to act as a representation of our energy. You are right in some sense that it is not 'real'. ie. we can't eat it, or put it in our gas tank, etc. It is symbolic, representational, virtual. And there-in lies the problem, once we accepted that piece of paper (or recording in a computer) for OUR energy, we locked ourselves into the Bank's system... where they have completely distorted and manipulated this virtual representation of OUR energy and enriched themselves... as one of the Banking system's hidden functions, simplified, is to act as a huge magnet, slowly, inexorably drawing away our energy away from us into their own 'accounts'... they do this by unlimited and numerous means, interest, taxes, government controlled fines, fees, various 'business schemes' ,etc, that's how the Bill Gates of the world end up being a billion times richer then you or I... ask yourself, in this lifetime, did Bill Gates actually work a billions times harder then you or I? did he invest a billion times more effort then you or I? maybe twice as much, or 5 times as much, maybe even 10 times (though I doubt even that) That is a perfect example how distorted and invalid the 'value' of the dollar has become, it has always been a system for the elite to tap into and manipulate for their own personal gain.

as to 'free energy' it is a metaphorical and relative term, it simply means a system set up, that once set up, can maintain or self perpetuate itself with a minimal or no maintenance or input on the part of the 'operator' or 'user'. The simplest example is a water mill. It is free in the sense that it is now tapping into a pre-existing flow of energy (in this case a moving body water) and does not require a constant input of energy from the 'user's' point of view... so it is 'free' from the 'user's' perspective. I guess people confuse this with 'something for nothing' and that doesn't really mean anything...

[Hawkwind]

if it really worked why wouldn't someone just start making and selling them?... duh...

A friend of mine was doing research on over unity devices. One day a US military officer showed up at his door and said "We know what you're doing and we want you to stop." That's why.

[witchy1]

Any idea what particular "thing" he was playing with Hawkwind???

[Hawkwind]

It was some sort of motor using permanent magnets. I never saw it. This was back in the day when I was still pretty clueless about how the world really works. My thinking then was something along the lines of- if such technologies really could be built in one's garage, it wouldn't be possible for the government/industry to suppress them. So, I pretty much dismissed the whole incident as BS at the time. Over the years, however, I've run across so many reports of inventors being either shut up, bought off or bumped off that my opinion on the matter has changed considerably.

[shadowstalker]

My idea of free energy is that its free. When you make a buisness out

of free energy its not free. Im sorry, this is the Old World Order.

Don't be to B/W who ever sells this still has to pay bills you know like food and toiletries and what not, those will never be free..
If you built the machine you don't have to pay for it again or electricity...So you would have to pay for the box or blue prints oh well..

[yuhui]

Free Energy is such a mystery :(

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[Bo Atkinson]

I happened to notice this thread today... The only quick link i could find from a third party reviewing comparative, decentralized energy production was: http://pesn.com/2010/05/24/9501650_Warning_Clickbank_Magniwork_scam/ (They say it is a fraud).

What really grabbed me though was yuhui's Youtube. It demonstrates dropping a rare earth magnet through a copper tube. I hand't seen this before. I went out to my work shop soon after, to immediately try it.

I compared the fall speed through 1] a copper tube & 2] a pvc plastic tube (slightly longer, both of same diameter). These were just savage plumbing material as a i have collected from job site trash over the years. My magnets were neodymium. The delayed falling was quite pronounced like 2-3 times longer. But only in the copper tube. The plastic tube was almost equal to free falling in air. I just wanted to get the sense of this test, not the microseconds or what have you.

Also of note... The fall speeds above were with magnets almost as big as the tube inside diameter (half inch size or nearly 1 centimeter diameters). I also tried much smaller magnets, perhaps one quarter the inside diameter. These smaller magnets fell faster, similar in duration to free fall. Lots of fun for me.

Thanks yuhui,

wavydome

[sigma6]

if it really worked why wouldn't someone just start making and selling them?... duh...

A friend of mine was doing research on over unity devices. One day a US military officer showed up at his door and said "We know what you're doing and we want you to stop." That's why.

Not saying there is no such thing as a magnetic motor, it just highly unlikely these plans aren't real... as so far there isn't as much as a hint anyone has successfully built one of the several thousands of plans I am sure that have been sold so far....

so much for Amerika, the land of the free... but it's still a cop out, if he knew how to exercise his rights, he would know the government agent is actually a government servant, and is there to collect data, that could be used to show evidence that what he is doing is entirely lawful. Notice how the people who sell the plans never talk about using it themselves? or show a you tube of the generator installed in their house? Which leads of course to the other possibility ... that everyone who has bought the plans including all the internet marketers whipping up hundreds of websites promoting these 'plans' have found out they don't work... otherwise don't you think someone somewhere would have said something about it by now??? (besides the 'customer feedback' sections of the websites themselves)