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jackovesk
16th November 2011, 05:21
Chinese TV Host Says Regime Nearly Bankrupt..!

Updated: November 15, 2011

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/images/stories/large/2011/11/13/lang-590x393.jpg
Larry Lang, chair professor of Finance at the Chinese University of Hong Kong.

China’s economy has a reputation for being strong and prosperous, but according to a well-known Chinese television personality the country’s Gross Domestic Product is going in reverse.

Larry Lang, chair professor of Finance at the Chinese University of Hong Kong, said in a lecture that he didn’t think was being recorded that the Chinese regime is in a serious economic crisis—on the brink of bankruptcy. In his memorable formulation: every province in China is Greece.

The restrictions Lang placed on the Oct. 22 speech in Shenyang City, in northern China’s Liaoning Province, included no audio or video recording, and no media. He can be heard saying that people should not post his speech online, or “everyone will look bad,” in the audio that is now on Youtube.

In the unusual, closed-door lecture, Lang gave a frank analysis of the Chinese economy and the censorship that is placed on intellectuals and public figures. “What I’m about to say is all true. But under this system, we are not allowed to speak the truth,” he said.

Despite Lang’s polished appearance on his high-profile TV shows, he said: “Don’t think that we are living in a peaceful time now. Actually the media cannot report anything at all. Those of us who do TV shows are so miserable and frustrated, because we cannot do any programs. As long as something is related to the government, we cannot report about it.”

He said that the regime doesn’t listen to experts, and that Party officials are insufferably arrogant. “If you don’t agree with him, he thinks you are against him,” he said.

Lang’s assessment that the regime is bankrupt was based on five conjectures.

Firstly, that the regime’s debt sits at about 36 trillion yuan (US$5.68 trillion). This calculation is arrived at by adding up Chinese local government debt (between 16 trillion and 19.5 trillion yuan, or US$2.5 trillion and US$3 trillion), and the debt owed by state-owned enterprises (another 16 trillion, he said). But with interest of two trillion per year, he thinks things will unravel quickly.

Secondly, that the regime’s officially published inflation rate of 6.2 percent is fabricated. The real inflation rate is 16 percent, according to Lang.

Thirdly, that there is serious excess capacity in the economy, and that private consumption is only 30 percent of economic activity. Lang said that beginning this July, the Purchasing Managers Index, a measure of the manufacturing industry, plunged to a new low of 50.7. This is an indication, in his view, that China’s economy is in recession.

Fourthly, that the regime’s officially published GDP of 9 percent is also fabricated. According to Lang’s data, China’s GDP has decreased 10 percent. He said that the bloated figures come from the dramatic increase in infrastructure construction, including real estate development, railways, and highways each year (accounting for up to 70 percent of GDP in 2010).

Fifthly, that taxes are too high. Last year, the taxes on Chinese businesses (including direct and indirect taxes) were at 70 percent of earnings. The individual tax rate sits at 81.6 percent, Lang said.


Once the “economic tsunami” starts, the regime will lose credibility and China will become the poorest country in the world, Lang said.

Several commentators have expressed broad agreement with Lang’s analysis.

Professor Frank Xie at the University of South Carolina, Aiken, said that the idea of China going bankrupt isn’t far fetched. Major construction projects have helped inflate the GDP, he says. “On the surface, it is a big number, but inflation is even higher. So in reality, China’s economy is in recession.”

Further, Xie said that official figures shouldn’t be relied on. The regime’s vice premier, Li Keqiang for example, admitted to a U.S. diplomat that he doesn’t believe the statistics produced by lower-level officials, and when he was the governor of Liaoning Province “had to personally see the hard data.”

Cheng Xiaonong, an economist and former aide to ousted Party leader Zhao Ziyang, said that high praise of the “China model” is often made on the basis of the high-visibility construction projects, a big GDP, and much money in foreign reserves. “They pay little attention to things such as whether people’s basic rights are guaranteed, or their living standard has improved or not,” he said.

Behind the fiat control of the economy, which can have the appearance of being efficient, there is enormous waste and corruption, Cheng said. It means that little spending is done on education, welfare, the health system, etc.

Cheng says that for the last decade the Chinese regime has accumulated its wealth primarily by promoting real estate development, buying urban and suburban residential properties at low prices (or simply taking them), and selling them to developers at high prices.

According to Cheng, the goals of regime officials (to enrich themselves and increase their power) are in direct conflict with those of the people–so social injustice expands, and economic propaganda meant to portray the situation as otherwise prevails.

Few scholars inside the country dare to speak as Lang has, Cheng said. And that’s probably because he has a professorship in Hong Kong.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/china-news/chinese-tv-host-says-regime-nearly-bankrupt-141214.html

...then this from the IMF

IMF sounds warning for Chinese banking system

China's banks face 'steady build-up of financial sector vulnerabilities', according to IMF report

guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 15 November 2011

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An IMF report has flagged up concerns over the possible vulnerability of the Chinese banking system. Photograph: Adrian Bradshaw/EPA

A rise in off-balance sheet liabilities and a house-price boom have left Chinese banks vulnerable to heavy losses, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) has said.

In a wide-ranging report into the Chinese financial system, the IMF said that China is facing a "steady build-up of financial sector vulnerabilities".

"The system is becoming more complex and inter-linkages between markets, institutions, and across international borders are growing. In addition, informal credit markets, conglomerate structures, and off-balance sheet activities are on the rise," it warned on Tuesday.

The government's role in allocating credit, as well as broader economic policy, is leading to a build-up in contingent liabilities, the IMF added, although it said it was difficult to quantify the risks given the paucity of data.

Stress tests on the country's 17 largest banks showed they were resilient to one-off shocks: "If several of these risks were to occur at the same time, however, the banking system could be severely impacted," the IMF has said


The review is the first time the IMF has reviewed the Chinese banking system.

It recommends that the Chinese government intervenes less to keep down the value of the yuan, uses interest rates rather than administrative limits to control credit demand, and allow banks to make commercial decisions on lending.

"Banks' large exposures to state-owned enterprises, guaranteed margins provided by interest rate regulations, still limited ability and willingness to differentiate loan rates, coupled with the implicit guidance on the pace and direction of new lending, undermine development of effective credit risk management in the banks. It is important that banks have the tools and incentives to make lending decisions based upon purely commercial goals."

In response to the report, the People's Bank of China (PBC), the country's central bank, said: "While the assessment in the reports is, overall, objective and positive, and the recommendations on the future reforms are constructive, a few points are not sufficiently well-rounded or objective, and the timeframe and suggested priorities of some proposed reform measures need to be further analysed."

In particular, the PBC said China had already moved away from administrative quotas on credit and towards an interest-rate based monetary policy.

China's breakneck growth has created huge opportunities for investment. But many warn of the significant risks attached, too. Veteran UK fund manager Anthony Bolton, of Fidelity, said on Monday he was employing five different corporate investigation firms to check up on Chinese investment targets after a disastrous year in which the value of some of his fund's assets have slumped on the suspicion of fraud.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/nov/15/imf-warning-chinese-banking-system

PS - Ah - The 'Smoke & Mirrors' of it All..!

Empty Cities...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0brcZTVde-I

+ This...


The review is the first time the IMF has reviewed the Chinese banking system.

Reviewed for the 1st time? How 'Convenient'..!

+ This...

Secret no more, US moves openly to block the rise of China.


Hillary Clinton and the New American (Pacific) Century

November 16, 2011 - Secretary of State Hillary Clinton recently published in Foreign Policy magazine, "America's Pacific Century,""America's Pacific Century" (http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/10/11/americas_pacific_century?page=full), a Hitlerian declaration of imperial intent for American "leadership" in Asia for the next 100 years.

The piece, which could just as easily been penned by Neo-Con policy makers begins with, "the future of politics will be decided in Asia, not Afghanistan or Iraq, and the United States will be right at the center of the action. "

Of course, America's presence throughout the Middle East and the control it exercises over the region's oil resources as well as over the region as a logistical hub is essential in tempering the rise of Asia and ultimately hemming in the rise of China and Central Asia. The "Arab Spring" which Secretary Clinton and the US State Department had been a part of preparing, equipping, training, and even arming for at least 2 years prior, is the coup de grâce meant to completely overturn the multi-polar nature of the Middle East and ultimately the world.

Upon reading Clinton's declaration of intent for American leadership into the next century, readers may recall the similarly named, ranting "Project for a New American Century" signed off on by some of America's most notorious Neo-Conservatives, which almost verbatim made the same case now made by Clinton. In fact, America's evolving confrontation with China, marked acutely by Obama's announcement of a permanent US military presence in Australia just this week, is torn directly from the pages of decades old blueprints drawn up by corporate-financier funded think-tanks that truly rule America and its destiny.

As reported in June, 2011's "Collapsing China," as far back as 1997 there was talk about developing an effective containment strategy coupled with the baited hook of luring China into its place amongst the "international order." Just as in these 1997 talking-points where author and notorious Neo-Con policy maker Robert Kagan described the necessity of using America's Asian "allies" as part of this containment strategy, Clinton goes through a list of regional relationships the US is trying to cultivate to maintain "American leadership" in Asia.

For example, the recently reinstalled Wall Street proxy regime in Thailand led by Thaksin Shinawatra and his sister Yingluck, has received reassurances by Clinton herself just this week stating that, "it is in the national security and political interest of the United States to have this government succeed." As reported in-depth in "CONFIRMED: Thailand's "Pro-Democracy" Movement Working for US," Thaksin Shinawatra and his political regime have had long standing, well documented ties to Wall Street and London. The US backing of puppet-regimes like Thaksin, installing them into power, and keeping them there is central to projecting power throughout Asia and keeping China subordinate, or as Kagan put it in his 1997 report, these proxy regimes will have China "play Gulliver to Southeast Asia's Lilliputians, with the United States supplying the rope and stakes."

It is essential to look past the empty rhetoric of "democracy," "human rights," and "progress" used to justify foreign-funding and meddling to install servile autocrats like Thailand's Thaksin or Malaysia's stooge dictator-in-waiting Anwar Ibrahim and see the greater geopolitical game at play and the disastrous conclusion it is leading us all toward. It is also essential to expose the disingenuous organizations, institutions, and media personalities helping promote this global corporate-fascist agenda.

Above all, it is important not to allow ourselves and our countrymen to be manipulated and their lives wasted in the inevitable conflicts that are sure to arise as Wall Street and London struggle to maintain, or even expand their global financial, economic, and military hegemony.

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/


+ This...

The 'Shell Game' continues...

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PSS - (Chinese) Hong Kong 'Economist' Larry Lang is right, However...


Remember - "Problem / Reaction / Solution"..!

There is a 'Far Bigger' AGENDA! This to me, just 'Proves' they are 'NWO Globalist Mafia are 'ALL IN IT TOGETHER'. (including China)..!

= This

NWO Globalists Criminal (Mafia) Solution..?

(One World Govt. & Currency)..!

(Gee Whiz) Who would have 'Thought'..? :secret:

jcocks
16th November 2011, 05:27
Not surprising... I thought something strange was going on when I read in an article a few days ago that the chinese railway was heavily in debt....

Lord Sidious
16th November 2011, 05:40
And what does a desperate regime do when they are about to fall?

Carmody
16th November 2011, 05:53
Direct attention outward with war.

Reinvigorate the economy through death and mayhem, as that is just about the only thing that leaves them still at the helm. It gives them new resources and a new way of feeding themselves. It gives them room to move clandestinely, (within the war and the preparation for war and the aftermath of said war) to a stronger position.

If handled the way they desire it to be handled, the population will be none the wiser.

This has been the pattern of the bankers and political class --for thousands of years.

jackovesk
16th November 2011, 06:23
And what does a desperate regime do when they are about to fall?

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1281418737136&id=9e5be4938e51c27e9758bd03714da2b5&url=http%3a%2f%2frajivawijesinha.files.wordpress.com%2f2010%2f06%2fadolf_hitler1.jpg


Over and over again Hitler asserted his belief in the necessity of force as the means of solving international problems, as in the following quotation:

"The soil on which we now live was not a gift bestowed by Heaven on our forefathers. They had to conquer it by risking their lives. So also in the future, our people will not obtain territory, and therewith the means of existence, as a favour from any other people, but will have to win it by the power of a triumphant sword."

Hillary & Crew are just 'Crossing their Fingers' hoping to keep the 'Wind-Blowing' trying to keep their 'Nazi Regime' alive..!

http://img.izismile.com/img/img2/20090728/hitler_04.gif

Lord Sidious
16th November 2011, 07:17
You are way off jackonugget, who says the Reich was about to fall in 1939?

Jonathon
16th November 2011, 07:42
Anyone in bed with a central bank was bankrupt from day 1. Fiat currency = money of account (debt instruments) = no money of substance = bankrupt. I love how "bankruptcy" is thrown around these days. As if you cannot issue more debt. Look everybody, new cars only $199 per month for 199 months! Sweet! :panda:Ka-ching!!

jackovesk
16th November 2011, 07:48
You are way off jackonugget, who says the Reich was about to fall in 1939?

I thought it was a round about way of saying WWIII..?

Spill the Beans then Rob..!

Lord Sidious
16th November 2011, 08:08
You are way off jackonugget, who says the Reich was about to fall in 1939?

I thought it was a round about way of saying WWIII..?

Spill the Beans then Rob..!

What is there to spill?
Go study history and make up your own mind.
I can see that even though you are here on avalon reading and posting great stuff, the indoctrination is still trying to control your mind.

phillipbbg
16th November 2011, 08:50
And what does a desperate regime do when they are about to fall?

I assume you are referring to America because China is 4 moves ahead of the money game.....one thing I have learnt over 2 generations of dealing with Chinese is that they think in generations not electoral periods....

Lord Sidious
16th November 2011, 09:07
And what does a desperate regime do when they are about to fall?

I assume you are referring to America because China is 4 moves ahead of the money game.....one thing I have learnt over 2 generations of dealing with Chinese is that they think in generations not electoral periods....

You are correct about the Chinese, but I did actually mean them.
They hold a stack of debt of the united snakes that is worth 2/3 of bugger all and their own system is failing too.

phillipbbg
16th November 2011, 09:53
Sorry Lrd Sid no disrespect meant, I did think you were on the ball so to speak....but the comments of others did not reflect this IMO

As far as debt held by Chin like you say 2/3 of bugger all... it is of no consequence if you have managed to wake your dragon from its long sleep.... the thorn in the Chin armour is actually Falun Gong... which could well become the growing adolescent of the parent dragon eventually taking the game over.... just some thoughts of course....:hand:

Eric J (Viking)
16th November 2011, 10:06
And it gets better....what a bloody mess the world is in...

Surely the cards have got to fall sooooooon ...

viking

mosquito
16th November 2011, 10:27
http://img.izismile.com/img/img2/20090728/hitler_04.gif

Love it !!!!

Lord Sidious
16th November 2011, 11:18
Sorry Lrd Sid no disrespect meant, I did think you were on the ball so to speak....but the comments of others did not reflect this IMO

As far as debt held by Chin like you say 2/3 of bugger all... it is of no consequence if you have managed to wake your dragon from its long sleep.... the thorn in the Chin armour is actually Falun Gong... which could well become the growing adolescent of the parent dragon eventually taking the game over.... just some thoughts of course....:hand:

No need for apologies, I didn't see any disrespect.

Seikou-Kishi
16th November 2011, 11:43
Ah, Sid, it's not necessarily indoctrination just because you two disagree :P

Lord Sidious
16th November 2011, 11:48
Ah, Sid, it's not necessarily indoctrination just because you two disagree :P

Of course not, but when we get knee jerk responses, it tells me something.
I am not just talking of the ''evil nazi'' stereotype, but the whole good/bad paradigm overall.

Fred Steeves
16th November 2011, 12:28
Ah, Sid, it's not necessarily indoctrination just because you two disagree :P

Of course not, but when we get knee jerk responses, it tells me something.
I am not just talking of the ''evil nazi'' stereotype, but the whole good/bad paradigm overall.

That's some pretty deep waters you're delving into there my friend, and well worthy of it's own controversial thread. Start it, I'll play.:cool:

jackovesk
16th November 2011, 13:41
You are way off jackonugget, who says the Reich was about to fall in 1939?

I thought it was a round about way of saying WWIII..?

Spill the Beans then Rob..!

What is there to spill?
Go study history and make up your own mind.
I can see that even though you are here on avalon reading and posting great stuff, the indoctrination is still trying to control your mind.

1. Ask a Question only you know the real Answer to
2. Someone Replies, does'nt provide the exact Answer you were looking for
3. Reply to them with a Semi Positive then a nice gentle put-down...

Gee Thanks Rob :)




That's some pretty deep waters you're delving into there my friend, and well worthy of it's own controversial thread. Start it, I'll play.:cool:

Good Idea

:focus:

Lord Sidious
16th November 2011, 13:48
Sorry you took it that way jackonugget, it wasn't intended as a putdown, but I do see how you could take it that way.
That was not my intention.

music
16th November 2011, 20:40
A friend does much business with China, and I was aware a fair while ago of not only their problems, but the fact that they are well aware of these, and other, problems. They have a 15 year plan to address these issues (generational thinking), which my friend (who as well as being a most astute and successful business person, also has a conscience and a heart) believes will succeed. His view is that the Chinese realise they have had too much rapid, uncontrolled growth since 1999, and their desire is to look inwards (rather than expansionally), prevent collapse and focus their attentions on caring for the needs of what is becoming a very large, aging population. The Chinese wisely own massive resources worldwide that will be a fair hedge for them.

Most importantly he believes that the world (and Australia in particular) has nothing to fear from them. You can all sleep in your beds safely, the Chinese have no intention of invading you. Save the kneejerking racism for US foriegn policy.

jcocks
17th November 2011, 10:44
I don't think it's in China's best interests to attack anybody, and they know that....
However, they would have a secret government too, and god knows what's going on there... I think therein lies the danger.

music
17th November 2011, 12:25
Everyday this week in local news there have been allusions to China invading, or stealing secrets, or technology. We are being played.

RMorgan
17th November 2011, 12:36
Get used to it. The old USSR used to be the threat and, from now on, it will be China. I believe we will experience something similar to the cold war in a near future.

Lord Sidious
17th November 2011, 12:49
Everyday this week in local news there have been allusions to China invading, or stealing secrets, or technology. We are being played.

They do and we are.
The media doesn't report what the west does, so it seems unbalanced.

music
17th November 2011, 13:01
Yep, and the public is starting to question the whole Islamic threat ploy, and anyway, that has served it's purpose. Those Canadians wanna watch out too, since estimates put Canada's oil reserves at 8 times that of Saudi Arabia, and Harper's crimes against fashion, and suspected feline-abuse give grounds for invasion.

nomadguy
17th November 2011, 19:02
I find this an interesting disclosure in it's self.
What the heck did they spend their money on? We sent ours to them.
Then little nuggets like this pop up >
http://gizmodo.com/5859081/why-is-china-building-these-gigantic-structures-in-the-middle-of-the-desert

jackovesk
28th March 2013, 03:42
You are way off jackonugget, who says the Reich was about to fall in 1939?

Your 'Correct' Sid...:yes4:

Perhaps the :mod: can reinstate your membership...:thumb:

On second thoughts I think they are too :scared: to...:noidea:

If you ever do come back to Avalon..?

What do you think about this Sid..?

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CHINA TO ATTEND MAJOR U.S - hosted NAVAL exercises

WASHINGTON | Fri Mar 22, 2013

http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20130322&t=2&i=715407864&w=460&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=CBRE92L1P7P00


(Reuters) - China's People's Liberation Army has accepted an invitation to participate for the first time in a major U.S.-hosted naval drill, but legal restrictions will limit its role to less sensitive exercises, like disaster relief, U.S. officials say.

Beijing's agreement to join the drills being held next year comes at a moment of heightened tensions between China and U.S. ally Japan over disputed East China Sea islets, and unease in the United States about China's rapid military buildup and its cyber capabilities.

The Rim of the Pacific exercise, known as RIMPAC, is billed as the world's largest international maritime exercise, with 22 nations and more than 40 ships and submarines participating the last time it was held off Hawaii in 2012.

Not all the participants are treaty allies with the United States. Last year's participants included Russia and India.

But China has never participated in the event, although it did send observers to RIMPAC in 1998, the Pentagon said.

Deputy Defense Secretary Ashton Carter acknowledged China had agreed to participate in RIMPAC during a little-noticed speech on Wednesday in Jakarta. Carter said he was "delighted that they have accepted" the American invitation, extended last year by then-Defense Secretary Leon Panetta.

At the time, Panetta said he asked China to send a ship to the exercises. Beijing said later it would give the offer "positive consideration.

"We seek to strengthen and grow our military-to-military relationship with China, which matches and follows our growing political and economic relationship," Carter said, according to prepared remarks on the Defense Department's website.

U.S. law prohibits the Pentagon from any military contacts with the PLA if it could "create a national security risk due to an inappropriate exposure" to activities including joint combat operations.

There is an exemption for operations or exercises related to search and rescue and humanitarian relief, and China participated with the United States last year in a counter-piracy drill.

'SECURITY SAFEGUARDS'

Lieutenant Colonel Catherine Wilkinson, a Pentagon spokeswoman, said China's participation in RIMPAC would adhere to U.S. law and noted precautions taken by the Navy in drills to avoid revealing sensitive information.

"The U.S. Navy has operational security safeguards to protect U.S. technology and tactics, techniques and procedures from disclosure," Wilkinson said.

Dean Cheng, an analyst at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative Washington think tank, questioned whether Chinese intelligence operatives would not benefit from their participation in RIMPAC, which also includes live-fire exercises by key U.S. allies.

"If they have a frigate, or even a hospital ship, in the middle of that exercise, the hospital ship is going to be staffed by intelligence officers," Cheng said.

He noted that if the drills were designed in a way that was unhelpful to the Chinese, they would also be unhelpful to allies.

Wilkinson declined to speculate about which drills China might participate in, noting the agenda had not yet been set for next year's event.

"U.S.-China military-to-military engagements can include a range of activities in areas of mutual interest including maritime security, military medicine and humanitarian assistance/disaster relief," she said.

Commander Charles Brown, a spokesman for the Navy's Third Fleet, said the initial planning conference for RIMPAC 2014 would take place in May.

"We're proud of our ability to design an exercise that everyone feels meets their objectives and is comfortable with," Brown said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/22/us-usa-china-drill-idUSBRE92L18A20130322

PS - Just goes to show these 2 Nations on the Elite/Govt. Level, never were enemies and they are still (All In It TOGETHER)...:yes4:

apokalypse
28th March 2013, 10:13
Firstly, that the regime’s debt sits at about 36 trillion yuan (US$5.68 trillion).

why China nearly bankrupt? they owning Australia and USA billion of dollars but who owning china debt?

sheme
28th March 2013, 10:30
I read some place they are stock piling rice, metal, etc.

greybeard
28th March 2013, 11:52
Who exactly is owed all this borrowed money?
Every country most people etc owe but to whom?
I know its just digital money---there is no gold to cover the various debts.
I saw an example where one trillion seconds was computed into years----that is staggering.
If $1 was paid back a second work out how long one trillion would take to be paid and many times $one trillion is owed by USA to whom?

Chris

yuhui
28th March 2013, 12:09
I heard his speech long ago, and nothing happened...
Chinese Economist? I wonder what is his real identity.
To be anxious about not being able to be dependent on this power play is not the path i am choosing.
ps: Falun Gong is a joke, ok? even if there is a "Chin armour".

jackovesk
28th March 2013, 13:20
Firstly, that the regime’s debt sits at about 36 trillion yuan (US$5.68 trillion).

why China nearly bankrupt? they owning Australia and USA billion of dollars but who owning china debt?

You need to put this in the 'Controlled' PTW perspective, the game of 'Mirrors'...:yes4:

jackovesk
28th March 2013, 13:25
I heard his speech long ago, and nothing happened...
Chinese Economist? I wonder what is his real identity.
To be anxious about not being able to be dependent on this power play is not the path i am choosing.
ps: Falun Gong is a joke, ok? even if there is a "Chin armour".

Not sure what message your trying to get across...


To be anxious about not being able to be dependent on this power play is not the path i am choosing.
ps: Falun Gong is a joke, ok? even if there is a "Chin armour".

Please explain...:confused:

Atlantean Avatar
28th March 2013, 13:29
If every country in the world is basically bankrupted and owes trillions of dollars. I would have to be to someone/thing that has no boarders. Me thinks the elite banking families. If everyone knew that, as things stand with compound interest, it would take us all an unlimited amount of lifetimes to pay back that debt. Would the billions of regular people on this planet still feel compelled to spend their lives and future generations paying a debt that is impossible to repay. To the 5 or six thousand members of the elite families.

I have a simple solution. If we send all of the elite to another planet/toid, perhaps pluto. Then all of the world's debt is no longer owed to anyone. The people of Earth will no longer be bankrupt. We win the game of chess and get on with life on planet Earth without their interference.

WAKE UP PEOPLE OF EARTH. WE (BILLIONS OF US) ARE BEING HELD HOSTAGE BY 5 OR 6 THOUSAND EVIL VERMIN. What would you do if it was a computer game?

If you have vermin in your house. You deal with them!